Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello and Happy Friday. Am Holly Frye and
Speaker 1: I'm Tracy ve Wilson. We talked about Anthony Van Dyke
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who. As I mentioned at the end of the episode, I.
Speaker 1: Probably drove my friends crazy because I have a really
Speaker 1: beautiful book of a lot of his pieces, and I
Speaker 1: would just take a picture on my phone and send
Speaker 1: it to them and be like, can.
Speaker 2: You believe because they're so good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just my mind boggles at his skill.
Speaker 1: I am really fascinated by the sort of cagey information
Speaker 1: we have.
Speaker 2: About his family situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I really do think when you put all
Speaker 1: the pieces together, particularly the revelation that he had a
Speaker 1: secret daughter that his sister was raising, then him going
Speaker 1: so hard to fight his brothers in law over the
Speaker 1: family fortune, starts to make a lot of sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: he may have just done it for the benefit of
Speaker 1: his siblings, but also when you think about like, oh,
Speaker 1: one of those siblings was raising his kid, and it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: now I see, yeah, which is pretty fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he was this is a guess
Speaker 1: this is my speculation. I think he was purposely kind
Speaker 1: of kg about his travels and whatnot for that very reason.
Speaker 1: No one ever knew about this kid, apparently until his will.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sneaky. I have a note in my notes
Speaker 1: that says the timeline of European art Caravagio. You're like,
Speaker 1: what did I mean? What I mean their lives overlapped? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't I wrote this outline long enough ago,
Speaker 1: like we've been kind of juggling some recording stuff because
Speaker 1: of our schedules and I and some problems with you know,
Speaker 1: just technical issues, and I don't remember what that note
Speaker 1: was about. It was so crystal clear to me then,
Speaker 1: but there you go. Yeah, yeah, I do remember is
Speaker 1: my note about historical portraits, Because okay, every once in
Speaker 1: a while there is a trend in our modern lives
Speaker 1: where like a portrait studio will pop up or an
Speaker 1: existing studio will do an offer for a little while
Speaker 1: where they do old timey photography were like you can
Speaker 1: go get your picture taken and it looks like you're
Speaker 1: in the wild West or you are in Victorian London
Speaker 1: or whatever. And now, of course you know with photoshop
Speaker 1: and like filter and filters. Yeah, and like, I don't
Speaker 1: even want to get into the AI situation. You can
Speaker 1: do that all the time, but his historical portraits kind
Speaker 1: of made me think of that. Like people were like, no,
Speaker 1: I want it to be me, but I want to
Speaker 1: look like Venus.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, ah, that's an idea. I love it.
Speaker 3: So many things in this episode reminds me of our
Speaker 3: episode on Mickle Nolatier. Yeah, who they were contemporaries, but
Speaker 3: stuff like a lack of agreement about how to say
Speaker 3: her name because it sort of depends on whether you
Speaker 3: are being more French or more Dutch. And the part
Speaker 3: about working as a professional artist while not being a
Speaker 3: member of the guild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that.
Speaker 3: I think that was something that I feel like, if
Speaker 3: I'm remembering correctly, her brother had been working as a
Speaker 3: professional painter without being in the guild. And then of
Speaker 3: course just the the overlap of when and where when
Speaker 3: and where they lived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am. I wish we had more info on
Speaker 1: his inner life, Yeah, because other than like his notes
Speaker 1: about you know, finding pieces of art really beautiful or whatever,
Speaker 1: we don't have, to the best of my knowledge, any
Speaker 1: kind of like journals or discussions that are from his
Speaker 1: point of view of his thoughts, and I feel like
Speaker 1: he had to have been such an interesting character to
Speaker 1: be down. I also think like he might be a
Speaker 1: history crush. He's so handsome in those later self portraits.
Speaker 1: I just think he's cute as pie. And he was apparently,
Speaker 1: you know, right up until the point where he got
Speaker 1: married right in his forties, like a womanizer, so clearly
Speaker 1: like he had charm and appeal and charisma. The idea
Speaker 1: pretty recently introduced that we have completely misunderstood his relationship
Speaker 1: with Rubens is also fascinating to me, right, Like we
Speaker 1: you and I see this all the time. I think
Speaker 1: anybody who any kind of like history research regularly does,
Speaker 1: where like there is a version of a story that
Speaker 1: gets written, or a version of a biography or whatever
Speaker 1: that gets written, sometimes pretty close to when the actual
Speaker 1: events happened, and the default, because there aren't necessarily other sources,
Speaker 1: is to take that as the truth. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: we don't know, right right, Yeah, There's That's something that
Speaker 1: I find really interesting in the field of history in
Speaker 1: general and just doing the show, like how how the
Speaker 1: history that is written about a subject evolves over time
Speaker 1: and that's normal.
Speaker 2: YEA.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes folks who maybe I mean, I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not judging anybody's knowledge, Like, but folks who you know,
Speaker 3: do not have a sense of like what the field
Speaker 3: of history does. Will learn that there is a biography
Speaker 3: that has sort of a new interpretation of something worked,
Speaker 3: and we'll imagine that there's something like wrong with that
Speaker 3: when really like that. That's how the whole field of
Speaker 3: history works. It's the whole process of evaluating and interpreting
Speaker 3: the sources that we have about something. And sometimes there
Speaker 3: are new sources that are discovered, but other times it
Speaker 3: is more that you know, the next historian to really
Speaker 3: take a thorough look at something is looking at it
Speaker 3: from a different perspective, with different you know, parts of
Speaker 3: their own education and worldview and all of that, and
Speaker 3: can interpret something a bit differently than before. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is why I really like that Christopher White biography that
Speaker 3: we mentioned a couple times in the episode. It's fairly recent, right,
Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty one, I believe. And he's really the
Speaker 3: first one to point out like there isn't really any
Speaker 3: evidence of some kind of dramatic fight between the two
Speaker 3: of them, right, But it makes the I mean, if
Speaker 3: you want to apply Okham's razor see how I did
Speaker 3: that looped around to another old podcast subject, it makes
Speaker 3: more logical sense that, like they just weren't in the
Speaker 3: same place at the same time, they weren't having the
Speaker 3: same life trajectory, since you know, Rubens had this other
Speaker 3: career and a family that needed his time and attention.
Speaker 3: You know, it just makes and he was clearly like
Speaker 3: passing commissions off to Van Dyck, right right, So whether
Speaker 3: or not you buy the idea that like, oh the portraits,
Speaker 3: because those were not as well regarded as real art,
Speaker 3: he's still making sure the guy's get in the living,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean it well, and that like
Speaker 3: that was something that was really interesting to me. There
Speaker 3: have always been forms of art or literature or whatever
Speaker 3: that were viewed as the real deal, while others were
Speaker 3: viewed as like commercial or not worthy of scholarly attention.
Speaker 2: And like, like.
Speaker 3: The literature department that I studied in in college, I
Speaker 3: loved so many things about it was snobby in terms
Speaker 3: of like what was considered okay to study and what
Speaker 3: was serious literature and what was not.
Speaker 2: So I find this.
Speaker 3: Whole idea of like the portraiture was thought of as
Speaker 3: commercial and not art art really interesting, and it also
Speaker 3: just makes me curious about how, like if this really
Speaker 3: was something that was playing into his mind at all,
Speaker 3: Like how did he feel about it?
Speaker 2: Was he like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Making plenty of money, Like what's your goal with your art?
Speaker 3: Is it to be able to support yourself or is
Speaker 3: it to you know, make great art?
Speaker 2: Or is it both? Like what is it? And I
Speaker 2: don't do that?
Speaker 3: Just I kept getting distracted by those thoughts while we
Speaker 3: were talking about.
Speaker 2: That part of his work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, he was painting other things, but
Speaker 1: he really became so known for his portraits. And I
Speaker 1: almost think, right, that is a unique opportunity. Right at
Speaker 1: a time when art art, for lack of a better phrase,
Speaker 1: was glutted with people doing religious imagery, historical imagery, et cetera,
Speaker 1: he elevated portraiture in a way that made everybody excited
Speaker 1: about portraits. Right, So, like he kind of took that opportunity,
Speaker 1: whether he intended to or not, of like the lesser
Speaker 1: regarded part of the art world and made it something that,
Speaker 1: you know, really transcended all of the others and makes
Speaker 1: it so interesting. It really to me, seems like I
Speaker 1: wish this is another use of our imaginary time machine.
Speaker 1: I would love to go to England and see the
Speaker 1: unveiling of like his or Rubens's very naturalistic portraits in
Speaker 1: a world where mannerism had been like it for a while,
Speaker 1: because it is such a gear shift of like those
Speaker 1: very stiff, surreal, slightly surreal looking portraits of people that,
Speaker 1: like you know, almost vibe to me the way like
Speaker 1: the characters on a deck of playing cards look right
Speaker 1: like they're very stiff and not quite natural, and they're
Speaker 1: often very beautiful, but there they don't feel like real life,
Speaker 1: whereas then you have these portraits that often look like photographs,
Speaker 1: and like, how was that being perceived? Obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of people in England were excited about it, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure there were people that were like.
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 1: That's what people look like? I see that all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't want it en up painting. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were detractors of that nature. But I
Speaker 1: love it all. I love it all. I could really
Speaker 1: look at his stuff all the time, and now I've
Speaker 1: got it in my head that I need to do
Speaker 1: like a Van museum crawl and just plan maybe multiple
Speaker 1: trips to go places where they have some of his
Speaker 1: best things. But I think that sounds great with that
Speaker 1: sunflower portrait you can only see in a book, Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless it gets loaned out one day, which I don't
Speaker 1: think happens very often.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I haven't tracked it.
Speaker 1: Right anyway, Anthony Van Dyke, you sneaky little minx, your
Speaker 1: secret families and your unclear impetus for doing various things right,
Speaker 1: I don't even care. Just keep showing me the paintings.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: We talked about mammograms this week. We sure did.
Speaker 3: One thing I did want to say before we start
Speaker 3: is the most recent email that we got asking for
Speaker 3: an episode on mammograms. The person he wrote in expressed
Speaker 3: feeling very afraid about the idea of eventually needing to
Speaker 3: get a mammogram because of all the horror stories shared.
Speaker 3: And so I just want to take a minute, and
Speaker 3: I want to acknowledge first I am not having to
Speaker 3: deal with medical racism or fat phobia or transphobia, or
Speaker 3: like I'm a white woman in a major metropolitan area
Speaker 3: who has insurance. So I recognize that I'm starting like
Speaker 3: having the easiest access to getting a mammogram. But I
Speaker 3: have been getting mammograms since I think twenty thirteen, which
Speaker 3: is I think earlier that at this point anyone record
Speaker 3: recommend doing so. I think I was thirty eight. Because
Speaker 3: my mom has had a breastpater, I would say it's
Speaker 3: not a comfortable experience. There is squeezing of the breasts. Yes,
Speaker 3: every single person who has ever conducted a mammogram for me,
Speaker 3: which at this point has been at three different medical
Speaker 3: centers in Atlanta and in like the Boston area, every
Speaker 3: single person has been compassionate and efficient and in terms
Speaker 3: of like having to go back this time, very reassuring.
Speaker 3: It is clear that everybody knows that, like getting a
Speaker 3: mammogram is not the funnest thing, and everybody has just
Speaker 3: tried to get me in and out as efficiently and
Speaker 3: with the least discomfort possible. Yes, I would rather have
Speaker 3: twenty five mammograms than one set of dental X rays.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because dental X rays make me gag and
Speaker 3: I find it embarrassing, and also would rather have a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of paps than dental X rays. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I feel like people hear the horror stories,
Speaker 3: and I just of all the things that I could
Speaker 3: go through in a medical context, I am more stressed
Speaker 3: out about driving to the mammogram than I am the
Speaker 3: mammogram itself. This most recent time, we have one car
Speaker 3: in our household and we accidentally double booked the car.
Speaker 3: Patrick was going to be out of town with the
Speaker 3: car and the If you live in the Boston area,
Speaker 3: you know the tea has been incredibly broken lately, and
Speaker 3: I did not trust a ride share service to get
Speaker 3: me there on time either, So I literally stayed in
Speaker 3: a hotel near the medical center the night before so
Speaker 3: that I would not have to deal with that stress
Speaker 3: in the morning, which again, I know, having money to
Speaker 3: spend on a random hotel night is a privilege, but
Speaker 3: it made it so much easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say too, And I wonder if this
Speaker 1: is your experience, because I have been getting mammograms for
Speaker 1: around the same amount of time you have. I am
Speaker 1: a large, busted woman, But I will say in that
Speaker 1: decade a little over, because I just had one very recently,
Speaker 1: I feel like it has gotten less and less uncomfortable
Speaker 1: as imaging technology has gotten more and more fine tuned.
Speaker 1: For to me, the flattening and extruding aspect of it
Speaker 1: used to be way more painful than it is now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now it's like it's not comfortable. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hang out there. But like I wasn't like, oh, I
Speaker 1: just have to gut it out through this. I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: I think the first mamogram that I ever got was
Speaker 3: a digital mammogram, but it was not the three D
Speaker 3: mammogram that they offer where I am now, which I
Speaker 3: do feel like there's less compression involved in that than
Speaker 3: there was the first time I got one, which again
Speaker 3: I think was in something like twenty thirteen, and I'm
Speaker 3: usually in and out, in and out of there in minutes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: longer sitting in the waiting room than like actually back there.
Speaker 3: When I had to go back up for a follow up,
Speaker 3: there was more compression involved than just for a screening
Speaker 3: mamogram because they got to get a closer look at it,
Speaker 3: and then I also had an ultrasound and everything was fine.
Speaker 3: But like that that, I think the like the going
Speaker 3: back the diagnostic mammogram was I would say, more uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: but still like not anything that I would describe to
Speaker 3: anybody as like the worst thing I know everybody's body's difference, right,
Speaker 3: But I also feel like if the if you have
Speaker 3: heard about mammograms from folks that were getting them in
Speaker 3: the eighties or nineties, probably way more uncomfortable than now.
Speaker 3: I feel like some of this, in the weirdest way
Speaker 3: come along on this journey with me relates to kind
Speaker 3: of this we were talking about when we were talking
Speaker 3: about Anthony van Dyke, that there's one version of the
Speaker 3: story of his relationship with Rubens that has impacted the
Speaker 3: way we have perceived that relationship forever.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Similarly, in the eighties there was a huge, I don't
Speaker 1: know if huge is the right word, there were significant,
Speaker 1: high profile women comedians talking about mammograms, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that seeded because of course you're always kind of
Speaker 1: like probes to exaggeration, to get the laugh, to the comedian,
Speaker 1: make the punchline as strong as you can, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that has seeded this sense of terror in
Speaker 1: people that have never experienced them, because then it becomes
Speaker 1: funny to talk about them that way, and that becomes
Speaker 1: kind of culturally the norm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there are.
Speaker 1: People that are coming up and reaching the age or
Speaker 1: they're getting close to having to do it and all
Speaker 1: they've ever heard from like relatives and whatnot. And part
Speaker 1: of that is also like getting over the still existing
Speaker 1: stigma of talking about like completely normal medical stuff you
Speaker 1: got to do to take care of your body. Right,
Speaker 1: has been a joke about the horror of it, And
Speaker 1: I remember there was one comedian that used to talk
Speaker 1: about like smashing your boob between two books, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that being like the image people have in their heads
Speaker 1: or what they've heard their you know, older friends or
Speaker 1: relatives talk about.
Speaker 2: Of course that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: And again it's not I don't want to stand there
Speaker 1: and drink a diet coke and chat. But like, right,
Speaker 1: it's not that bad at this point, at least it
Speaker 1: has not been for me. I am sure for some
Speaker 1: people it probably is still more painful.
Speaker 3: Certainly than what I experienced, but right, I also, you know,
Speaker 3: I to try to do the recommendation of like trying
Speaker 3: to schedule them between periods when my breasts are less
Speaker 3: likely to be tender. But that's becoming more challenging, yes,
Speaker 3: because that's more random. And also since the coat like
Speaker 3: the height of the COVID pandemic, especially getting the appointment scheduled.
Speaker 3: Everything's been farther out. Yeah, like the medical system is
Speaker 3: still struggling from the pandemic. And uh, I think it
Speaker 3: was not my mammogram that I had to reschedule. I
Speaker 3: had to reschedule my physical and because I had COVID
Speaker 3: and in seven months, yeah was it was like two months?
Speaker 3: Was was how far out my physical moment? But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I wanted to have that. If you have
Speaker 3: never had one and you only heard horror stories, I
Speaker 3: understand feeling really scared about it.
Speaker 2: Uh I do not feel them.
Speaker 3: I do not personally find them to be a horror
Speaker 3: story worthy experience.
Speaker 1: No. And I will say to add on to your
Speaker 1: mention of how compassionate and kind and really you know,
Speaker 1: as gentle as possible, most of the people working in
Speaker 1: those in breast care imaging centers can beat a lot
Speaker 1: of them too. Really try to make it almost like spa,
Speaker 1: like where like, oh, yeah, you get a heated gow
Speaker 1: when you go to do your thing, and like they're
Speaker 1: playing gentle, soft music and it's very chill.
Speaker 3: I got one at a women's hospital in Atlanta that
Speaker 3: was one hundred percent like a day spa with a
Speaker 3: heated robe, and I still miss it because that is
Speaker 3: not what I'm doing in Boston. What I'm doing in
Speaker 3: Boston is like I mean, it's it's fine, it's but
Speaker 3: it's a very no frills. It's like there's there's your locker,
Speaker 3: you can put your stuff in. Here is a plastic
Speaker 3: bag containing like a clean cotton rope that you and
Speaker 3: it's it just wasn't just much of a nice It's
Speaker 3: not as much of a nice experience as the time
Speaker 3: that there was a heated bathroom on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them definitely do this hospital experience, which
Speaker 1: is nice. Yeah, here's the question that I had. Sure,
Speaker 1: So we mentioned we quoted a statistic about the high
Speaker 1: incidents where a patient or someone in their life has
Speaker 1: been how they found their breast cancer. But I am
Speaker 1: really curious about the parameters of reporting because is that
Speaker 1: a case not the great question? Is that a case
Speaker 1: where they're like, hey, my husband mentioned something felt weird here,
Speaker 1: so I scheduled a mammogram, like right, well, and that's yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this particular study that that came from, and as
Speaker 3: I remember, it was something where it was like patient
Speaker 3: self reports, like the question was asked, how was your
Speaker 3: breast cancer very first detected, with that first detection being
Speaker 3: what we're talking about, and where a lot of people
Speaker 3: they were either intentionally examining their own breasts right or
Speaker 3: it was by accident like you're trying to carry something
Speaker 3: and you're like that feels weird, or or their partner
Speaker 3: finding it, and like that was the majority of how
Speaker 3: people first So it was like, yes, they did detect
Speaker 3: something and then went to the doctor and got like
Speaker 3: a physical exam of the doctor or a mammogram or whatever.
Speaker 2: The point was.
Speaker 3: That, like that I physically felt the thing with my
Speaker 3: hand or my partner's hand was the first sign for
Speaker 3: a lot of people, not the going for the routine
Speaker 3: screening mamogram right now. My other question though, is was
Speaker 3: that was there a comparable of people who self reported
Speaker 3: things that turned out to not.
Speaker 2: Be I don't think so in the study that I
Speaker 2: was reading, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I know there have definitely been times when I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, everything feels kind of lumpy at the moment, sure,
Speaker 1: and it's been like no clean as a whistle, like,
Speaker 1: so I wonder if there's that as well to be
Speaker 1: factored in, Like sometimes people are just gonna be like, huh,
Speaker 1: that's not quite right. And sometimes unfortunately it tests positive
Speaker 1: or it's you know, imaging reveals a mass, but other
Speaker 1: times probably it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am pretty sure my mom's breast cancer was
Speaker 3: detected on a mammogram.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the people my age I know who just
Speaker 3: who went through a breast cancer diagnosis was actually getting
Speaker 3: what he thought was going to be his last mammogram
Speaker 3: before a gender affirming surgery, and the mammogram found calcifications
Speaker 3: that were a sign of cancer, and everything's fine. Uh
Speaker 3: with my mom, everything's fine. Like at this point with
Speaker 3: my mom, that's been I might even be twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: like it's been a long time. Yeah, And so it's
Speaker 3: like anecdotally, I feel like I know several people personally
Speaker 3: whose breast cancer was first detected on a mammogram. And
Speaker 3: it's a hard thing, I think to track because there's
Speaker 3: not I mean, there are increasing electronic medical records and
Speaker 3: things like that that might make it more possible, but
Speaker 3: like that's not something that's necessarily specifically written down in
Speaker 3: a way that's going to be something that you can
Speaker 3: just correlate across a broad number range of people.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing too, is like, how often are
Speaker 1: people like, something that doesn't feel right, I should schedule
Speaker 1: a mammogram, but they don't ever tell their doctor or
Speaker 1: the radiologists that yeah, yeah, I just generally found the
Speaker 1: framing of the question of are mammograms a cost effective
Speaker 1: way to detect early breast cancer? Like I found that
Speaker 1: a really frustrating thing. I feel like there are legitimate
Speaker 1: questions about some of the some of the growths that
Speaker 1: are caught really really early.
Speaker 3: There are questions of like did that actually needed to
Speaker 3: be that actually need to be treated, same question that's
Speaker 3: been around since the seventies, or you know, was that
Speaker 3: a tumor that just would have been there causing no
Speaker 3: actual harm for the patient's whole life?
Speaker 2: Right, And again, having.
Speaker 3: Not really realized that it was within my lifetime that
Speaker 3: we very first started having routine screening mammograms as a thing,
Speaker 3: it doesn't surprise me that there are still so many
Speaker 3: pieces of it that there are still questions about, and
Speaker 3: it is so personal to people that the idea that like,
Speaker 3: maybe you would not start until fifty. People are like,
Speaker 3: but what if I developed cancer between forty and fifty?
Speaker 3: Like I totally get that, and I remember when recommendations
Speaker 3: were changed about when and how often to get paps,
Speaker 3: because getting PAP used to be an annual thing, and
Speaker 3: now there's a whole I don't want. It's almost like
Speaker 3: an equation based on like your age, whether you are
Speaker 3: sexually active or monogamous, and whether you've had negative HPV tests,
Speaker 3: like all factors into how often you should get a
Speaker 3: PAP test.
Speaker 2: And when the.
Speaker 3: These like new standards were first put out, I remember
Speaker 3: women in my family being so angry because they were like,
Speaker 3: they want us to not have this every year and
Speaker 3: people are gonna die and some of the examples that
Speaker 3: they had pointed out. I was like, okay that this
Speaker 3: you know, long ago family member that you're talking about
Speaker 3: did not have cervical cancer, had a different cancer that
Speaker 3: would not have been detected through a PAP at all.
Speaker 2: But I get it.
Speaker 3: I get how it can feel like ah, but they
Speaker 3: now they're just gonna miss it, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: there's a question of did we actually need to do that?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I understand the I'm very like,
Speaker 1: pro get all your screenings, particularly you know, as I
Speaker 1: have gotten older. I no, none of it's fun you're
Speaker 1: not like we I would like to be poked and prodded,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. There's a little bit of peace
Speaker 1: of mind that comes from knowing that you're getting things
Speaker 1: looked at and hope, hey, people can develop good relationships
Speaker 1: with their doctors. I know that's not the easiest thing
Speaker 1: in the world, but it's just you know, I want
Speaker 1: to keep everybody around as long as possible. So if
Speaker 1: you can do an early detection on something, I'm very
Speaker 1: I'm very much a proponent of it. Again, I know
Speaker 1: it stinks, but I kind of several years, like probably
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago, I just like made my
Speaker 1: ongoing one of my annual resolutions is like, get all
Speaker 1: the tests my doctor says I need.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then during the height of the pandemic, when nobody
Speaker 1: was going anywhere if they didn't have you, like, there
Speaker 1: were several years where nobody was getting stuff screened, right
Speaker 1: then I had to have We we had our little
Speaker 1: discussion here at our house of like, you know, we
Speaker 1: have to go get a million things.
Speaker 2: We got to even do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember at one point reading headlines about like the
Speaker 3: whole debate about whether people should be screened between forty
Speaker 3: and fifty and I did then go talk to my doctor,
Speaker 3: say what are what do you recommend here? And the
Speaker 3: recommendation is that I continue to do it annually. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's what I've been That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1: Medical stuff so fun, super fun.
Speaker 3: Uh. Anyway, So yeah, again, not medical advice beyond try
Speaker 3: to find a provider that you trust, which I understand.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've been focusing on the United States and
Speaker 3: the fact that we don't have universal health care, but
Speaker 3: I know it can be difficult for people to find
Speaker 3: primary care doctors in places that do have universal health
Speaker 3: care because of shortages of doctors and things like that.
Speaker 2: So I like just.
Speaker 3: Situations everywhere. But yeah, Happy Friday. Whatever is happening on
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Speaker 2: I hope it's good.
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