Speaker 1: You know, not too long ago, we started doing closure
Speaker 1: calls on this show, and it quickly became a very
Speaker 1: very popular segment.
Speaker 2: I know, total did we get text in and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're finally doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find doing something nice for people.
Speaker 3: You need to calm down. I feel like, but thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And one of the most powerful ones was from a
Speaker 1: listener who confronted their childhood bully to figure out what
Speaker 1: happened to their decades later. Yeah, so you're going to
Speaker 1: hear those answers. And then right afterwards we actually have
Speaker 1: an update. Oh, six months after we did the call,
Speaker 1: we reached back out to find out what happened. Since
Speaker 1: we recorded this earlier, we were all surprised at what
Speaker 1: has happened. You're gonna hear it when we do a
Speaker 1: closure call update. Next it's Brook and Jeffrey in the morning,
Speaker 1: and this segment is our way for us to feel
Speaker 1: better and for Brooke to not give her hard earned
Speaker 1: money to.
Speaker 3: Those less fortunate.
Speaker 1: This is why it's our own free version of charity
Speaker 1: called closure call.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're calling our listeners in our charity cases.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's a little more of a serious
Speaker 1: segment where we help one of our listeners get some
Speaker 1: much needed answers about a weird situation from their past
Speaker 1: that they're not able to gather on their lines.
Speaker 3: And we've done these a couple of times now and
Speaker 3: they they're a lot.
Speaker 1: They're emotional, right, And this time a woman named Catherine
Speaker 1: wanted our help. So Catherine, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Hi guys.
Speaker 3: Hey Catherine, you sound cheery, which is a good start.
Speaker 4: I may sound cheery right now, but I may get
Speaker 4: a little emotional. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's okay, no apologies.
Speaker 1: Well, before we get to all the closure stuff, first,
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself, like who are you?
Speaker 4: Well again, I'm Catherine. I am in my late twenties.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say how late, because it's really
Speaker 4: close to thirty.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's such a terrible shut up, Katherine. No,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry, Catherine.
Speaker 4: Help.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what's going on in your late twenties?
Speaker 4: Well, I have a boyfriend. He's been my boyfriend for
Speaker 4: the last three years. Yeah, he's awesome. I'm a consultant
Speaker 4: for retail chain and cool. I mean that's about it.
Speaker 3: Are you itching for him to propose.
Speaker 4: Oh he's better. He you know, this is three years
Speaker 4: going on four, so okay, show year four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And who is the person from your past that
Speaker 1: you need to get closure from. What's their name?
Speaker 4: Well, her name is Harry and we went to middle
Speaker 4: school together.
Speaker 2: Oh man, okay, I mean is this are you talking
Speaker 2: about your middle school past right now? Or were you
Speaker 2: friends with her since middle school?
Speaker 4: Well, we weren't friends. She actually used to bully me.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, we called her scary Terry.
Speaker 3: Wait, who is bullying? Who here again?
Speaker 4: Catherine? And she she was like really bigger than us,
Speaker 4: and she used to like push me in the hallway
Speaker 4: and make fun of me, especially my chest. I mean,
Speaker 4: in little school, I felt like we were all, you know, tiny,
Speaker 4: but she called me staying ray.
Speaker 3: It's kind of cute.
Speaker 5: It makes you feel better. It took me a while
Speaker 5: to get my cleavage in.
Speaker 2: And now, I mean, was it something where like really
Speaker 2: affected your life in junior high?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, of course it made me sound conscious.
Speaker 4: But the worst thing that she did was one night
Speaker 4: we were all at a basketball game and she like
Speaker 4: knuck up behind me and cut a big chunk of
Speaker 4: my hair out.
Speaker 2: Whoa dude, what happened next?
Speaker 4: She got in trouble, of course, and whatever.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 4: But then shortly after that, she stole my favorite rainbow,
Speaker 4: Like that was my favorite.
Speaker 2: Hair. This woman, it was just out to make your
Speaker 2: life hell when you were in junior high.
Speaker 4: They really did. I love that chin. Everybody know. I
Speaker 4: loved that chen, and she took it, and of course,
Speaker 4: I you know, I went to the vice principal and
Speaker 4: I told the principal what she did. And that sounds teddy,
Speaker 4: but she's lucky. I didn't tell about all the other
Speaker 4: stuff she did. I mean beating up other kids. Yeah,
Speaker 4: nasty stuff, pushing and shoving and calling names, and she
Speaker 4: did a lot of crap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean now that you're older, like, do you have
Speaker 3: a different view of it? You know? Like maybe she
Speaker 3: was going through some stuff.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was making a project and she needed hair
Speaker 1: for her do.
Speaker 3: That's not really what I meant. And then she had.
Speaker 2: Her own like struggles that she obviously couldn't deal with,
Speaker 2: so she was taking them out on other people, right
Speaker 2: like that what happens, don't know?
Speaker 4: I guess my main issue is once I told on her,
Speaker 4: she denied and denied that she didn't have my pen.
Speaker 4: Of course, they did a locker check right to her locker.
Speaker 4: They didn't find my pen, but they found drug out beer.
Speaker 3: Whoa, she was the cool kid? Oh my god? Middle school?
Speaker 3: Did she get expelled?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she got to spend there and she never
Speaker 4: came back to school.
Speaker 3: She should No, I don't know. What do you feel now?
Speaker 3: I mean I would almost have this like guilt.
Speaker 4: I do have guilt because I later found out that
Speaker 4: she went to Judie O the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jo went to a private school, so he doesn't
Speaker 2: quite understand what you went through.
Speaker 1: It sounds the rainbow pen, all right. I mean that
Speaker 1: must make you feel a little bit guilty.
Speaker 4: Then I feel totally responsible. Like I even tried to
Speaker 4: look her up on Facebook and you know nothing, She
Speaker 4: hasn't posted anything since twenty thirteen, Just like, yeah, a
Speaker 4: pickup truck in her cat And I'm just like, gosh,
Speaker 4: should I ruin her life over before?
Speaker 3: I don't know she owns a pickup truck? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Does anybody feel like she's being mean to people? She's bullying,
Speaker 5: she's hading drugs. I guess I know you were the
Speaker 5: one that kind of snitched, But didn't she have this
Speaker 5: coming like, yeah, like it's your fault.
Speaker 2: I agree with Jose that it's not your fault, but
Speaker 2: I also can see where you would feel guilty because
Speaker 2: I knew.
Speaker 3: People in my junior high that were like this in
Speaker 3: my middle school again on them. I didn't tell on
Speaker 3: it because they never picked on me specifically.
Speaker 2: But if I was getting bullied by them, like it's hard,
Speaker 2: it's a hard light because they had terrible family lives,
Speaker 2: I mean terrible.
Speaker 1: A lot of bullies do act out because they have
Speaker 1: a difficult time at home and you're dealing with trauma
Speaker 1: in some sort of way, and it's their only outlet.
Speaker 1: So Catherine, when you reached out to us about a
Speaker 1: month ago, what were you hoping to get?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I guess I just want to find her, reach out
Speaker 4: to her, apologize, I guess, or try to make amends.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I mean, are you.
Speaker 2: Sure, because you know some people don't change much. She
Speaker 2: may still be really angry with you.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what this whole thing was about, is
Speaker 1: Catherine wanted to reach out to Terry to apologize for
Speaker 1: sending her down the path that she went on again,
Speaker 1: not really her fault. But Catherine is the one that
Speaker 1: sort of the catalyst. Yeah, brought it all to a
Speaker 1: point and see if she can forgive you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I really would feel better if she would understand my
Speaker 4: point of view, like it kind of just served me
Speaker 4: that she bullied me and it made me have low
Speaker 4: self esteem. And I didn't mean for her to get
Speaker 4: arrested and go to Julie and get suspended. I just
Speaker 4: thought that she would give me my back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, to be honest, it could be
Speaker 2: some closure for her too, because she's bullying you. Maybe
Speaker 2: she has that on her conscious all these years.
Speaker 1: To help a lot of people, not just Brooke today.
Speaker 1: So Catherine know how this works. We reached out already
Speaker 1: to Terry for you and asked if she'd be willing
Speaker 1: to answer a few questions and then we could read
Speaker 1: her answers over the air to you. I have to ask,
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 5: A penitentiary that you had to email?
Speaker 1: No, it was not. We just reached out to her
Speaker 1: and Terry responded with two words. Do you want to
Speaker 1: guess what two words? Catherine?
Speaker 3: Can we say him on the road? She said, of course,
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that was a nice surprise.
Speaker 1: I was going to put the f somewhere else, but
Speaker 1: we'll hear what your middle school bully has to say.
Speaker 1: You accidentally sent her to Juvie all those years ago.
Speaker 1: We'll get you your closure call coming up next.
Speaker 2: All right, you're in the middle of a closure call,
Speaker 2: but we're getting an update on the situation right after you.
Speaker 3: Hear part two.
Speaker 1: The middle school bullies that you see in the movies,
Speaker 1: they're always the same type, you know. Spiky hair, yeah,
Speaker 1: spiky collar, spiky leather jacket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, black lipstick too.
Speaker 1: The name's usually spiked totally. So it made me feel
Speaker 1: better that we reached out to a bully named Scary
Speaker 1: Terry instead. It seems a little bit more reasonable, less intimidating,
Speaker 1: at least for me, and especially now that it's fifteen
Speaker 1: years since this all went down. That was the last
Speaker 1: time our listener Catherine talked to her middle school bully
Speaker 1: when she accused her of stealing her favorite rainbow pen.
Speaker 2: We all know exactly the one that she's talking about too.
Speaker 2: It's the one where you can change the ink right.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, we were talking about it off so clicked.
Speaker 1: Down red Catherine Blue. Is that the one? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that accusation led to a locker check where they
Speaker 1: found illicit substances inside Terry's locker, so she got expelled
Speaker 1: and eventually sent to Juvie. So here we are now.
Speaker 3: Okay, you always say that with such a smile on
Speaker 3: your face. Okay, all right, I'll do it sad. So
Speaker 3: here we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Catherine still feels guilty about everything that went down,
Speaker 1: and she's hoping to get some closure today. Catherine, how
Speaker 1: are you feeling before we do this?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I have so much anxiety right now,
Speaker 4: like I'm literally shaky. My nerves are just okay, scary.
Speaker 1: Terry has some stuff in her locker for you that
Speaker 1: could help.
Speaker 3: I do think a deep breath would probably be good.
Speaker 1: Here are the questions that we sent to Terry. Catherine
Speaker 1: and our producer worked on these together. So question one says,
Speaker 1: I know we haven't spoken since middle school. I feel
Speaker 1: horrible about how everything happened in that day. I would
Speaker 1: love to know what's gone on with you since then. Okay,
Speaker 1: and so Terry responded, are you ready for this? Catherine?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yeah, I'm ready already.
Speaker 3: We haven't heard of it. Okay, this is hard.
Speaker 1: She says, after some rat went and narked on me,
Speaker 1: I got sent to Juvie for a few months. To
Speaker 1: be real, though, anything was better than being at home
Speaker 1: with my abusive step down. I'm gonna Catherine, did you
Speaker 1: know about that? Did you know her situation?
Speaker 4: I mean no, not at all. Oh my god, I
Speaker 4: feel even worse.
Speaker 1: She keeps going. She says, after Juvie, I decided to
Speaker 1: go to Puerto Rico to live with my grandma. Okay,
Speaker 1: I finished up school there and ended up getting into
Speaker 1: college and got a degree in tourism.
Speaker 2: Jude, I want to take a scary Terry tour.
Speaker 3: I am so proud of her houses, she says.
Speaker 1: Now I'm assistant manager at a resort here, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm such a people person, and she put winky
Speaker 1: tongue out emoji. Catherine, how do how do you feel
Speaker 1: hearing that?
Speaker 4: I feel much better?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, for Terry, She's only assistant manager at
Speaker 1: that resort.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Good for Terry. I mean that's just so hopeful.
Speaker 2: You know, you can get from such a dark place
Speaker 2: and turn it back around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was actually pretty positive. Let's go on
Speaker 1: to question two. It said I'm sorry you were sent
Speaker 1: to Juvie. That was never my intention. Could you ever
Speaker 1: forgive me? Oh? Okay, So here we're asking for forgiveness Catherine,
Speaker 1: and she said, yeah, I forgive you.
Speaker 4: Oh awesome, I feel so much better.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on until I read this next sentence. I
Speaker 1: definitely hated you for a.
Speaker 3: Few years check out.
Speaker 1: At one point I even visited town and was planning
Speaker 1: to beat the crap out of you.
Speaker 3: With them at the mall.
Speaker 1: It always goes down, but she says, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go back to detention. I've grown since then, and
Speaker 1: I understand it was probably what I needed at the time.
Speaker 1: The real question is do you forgive me? Catherine? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the first time call somebody's asked a question back.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Catherine, Can you forgive her for the years
Speaker 1: of bullying?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I mean I've grown into a better person. I
Speaker 4: think that it made me stronger.
Speaker 3: That is really awesome, Catherine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel great.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is good because Terry did request that
Speaker 1: we send her the podcast once it was done, which
Speaker 1: you can find at Brook and Jeffrey all over the
Speaker 1: country wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3: And hey, Terry, if you're listening, you do you? We're
Speaker 3: so proud of Yeah, you're not staring any work. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 3: it's so awesome.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go to this lover I love. Let's go to
Speaker 3: question three.
Speaker 1: Catherine to know would you ever consider meeting for drinks?
Speaker 1: So I could say I'm sorry in person?
Speaker 3: Do you really want to mix alcohol?
Speaker 4: Again?
Speaker 1: We always send these before, like, we send them all
Speaker 1: in one big mask, so we don't know all the answers.
Speaker 1: And Terry responded, right now, I'm not allowed to go
Speaker 1: back into the US for other reasons. Don't ask. But nah,
Speaker 1: we can do a zoom chat though, if you want.
Speaker 1: And she left her zoom handle, Catherine, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: We can do that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2: May get like a free room down in some port.
Speaker 3: We're good at her life.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just go fourth, and maybe the most important
Speaker 1: question that we sent. Do you still have my pen?
Speaker 1: We want to know we sent it. We're asking about
Speaker 1: the rainbow pen that she's supposedly all those years started
Speaker 1: all this.
Speaker 2: Catherine, you sure you didn't find it in the coat
Speaker 2: pocket later after you've read.
Speaker 4: Her I'm quite sure. I look at that pants for
Speaker 4: so long?
Speaker 1: All right, she says, She replied, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: never took your stupid pen. Why would I want that?
Speaker 1: I told you your bff Crystal did it in history class.
Speaker 2: So for oh my god, what you went after Scary
Speaker 2: Terry when it was Crystal the whole time that.
Speaker 4: I'm literally in shock, like I have literally no word
Speaker 4: that I've Oh my god, do you want to do.
Speaker 1: A closure called the Crystal after that? Find out where
Speaker 1: your pen is?
Speaker 3: You defriend her? She's done, she likes.
Speaker 4: The funny thing is, yeah, Crystal and I haven't been
Speaker 4: friends for years because of something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a liar. Stapped you with a rainbow pen
Speaker 3: in the back.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you're still cool with Scary Terry.
Speaker 3: I love Terry?
Speaker 1: Okay, Anti christ Now, yeah, so those are Anthony Crystal.
Speaker 1: Do you feel a little bit better? You feel like
Speaker 1: you got a little bit of closure after hearing all that.
Speaker 4: I definitely got closure. I'm so happy that she forgave
Speaker 4: me that she's doing well in life, and now I
Speaker 4: know she doesn't steal my pen, and I'm glad and
Speaker 4: I'm not friends with Cristal anymore.
Speaker 3: And you got to tell her that on your zoom call.
Speaker 3: That'll be so fun. You are going to be friends.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I'll forward you the zoom handle that she sent to
Speaker 1: us so that you guys can talk. But remember, if
Speaker 1: you're ever interested in making a closure call yourself to
Speaker 1: get a little peace of mind, you can email the
Speaker 1: show or hit up our social media at Brook and
Speaker 1: Jeffrey and we can attempt to get you some closure Brook.
Speaker 4: And Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 1: So we did that closure call with Catherine a little
Speaker 1: while back, and now she's back on the line to
Speaker 1: give us an update. Catherine, last week left it you
Speaker 1: were going to do a zoom call with Scary Terry
Speaker 1: and reconnect. Did you actually do that?
Speaker 4: Yes, we did. We reconnected.
Speaker 3: Tell me that it went well. What happened At first?
Speaker 4: It was a little awkward. I will admit it was
Speaker 4: a little awkward because she brought out the rainbow pen
Speaker 4: and was like, hey, I have this and if you
Speaker 4: want it, you have to fight me for it.
Speaker 3: She said that your best friend Crystal took it right.
Speaker 1: She love it was a joke.
Speaker 4: I think it was a joke. Okay, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: it was breaking the ice and.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: So what does that mean? Did you guys just chat
Speaker 3: the ones?
Speaker 4: No, we actually had it a few times and she
Speaker 4: invited me out to her hotel and gave me a
Speaker 4: week safe for free.
Speaker 3: That's Terry.
Speaker 1: You said you would only accept though, if you got
Speaker 1: to bring the entire morning show with you, since you're
Speaker 1: the ones who reconnected.
Speaker 4: Exactly what I said?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Perfect, all right? So Brook needs a villa with an
Speaker 1: ocean and a shirtless bell boy who's quote willing to please.
Speaker 3: I don't need it, but if she has that to offer,
Speaker 3: I would take it. Yeah. Are you going?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna go visit and hang out with Terry?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Sounds like we actually got some closure for you. I
Speaker 1: wonder if our I wonder if our listeners feel like
Speaker 1: they got closure on this though text in a seven
Speaker 1: eighty five nine two. Should we do more of these
Speaker 1: updates on the closure calls? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Family, God, I just want her vacation picks sent to us.
Speaker 1: No, it's gonna make us jealousy. But remember, if you
Speaker 1: need to get some closure in your life, email the
Speaker 1: show or you can contact us on our socials at
Speaker 1: Brook and Jeffrey to get yourself a future closure call.
Speaker 1: It's Brook and Jeffrey in the morning.