Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast, otherwise known as Connie Fox
Speaker 1: and the Bozo Brigade.
Speaker 2: In the Chris Westling podcast studio, it is Around the NFL.
Speaker 3: I'm Dan Hansis.
Speaker 2: I got heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, and yes, the
Speaker 2: aforementioned Colleen Wolf leader of the Bozo Brigade.
Speaker 4: I'm a bozo too, So like that's fine.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: That's camaraderie and we're all bozos together.
Speaker 2: It is super Bowl Week. It's official. Yeah, and we
Speaker 2: could say that again after Greg went pretty deep in
Speaker 2: the whole. Financially, it's got many mentions in Twitter that
Speaker 2: we didn't catch everything. Eric, you might have to funnel
Speaker 2: those misses onto your account. I think that's only fair.
Speaker 2: We'll work that out financially. From our don't say super
Speaker 2: Bowl episode on Thursday, and it's been a very super
Speaker 2: rainy Sunday into now Monday. So I'm glad that everybody
Speaker 2: got got here today.
Speaker 3: From various points, it was dicey.
Speaker 5: I'm glad I'm not living in the hallway or control
Speaker 5: room right next to our studio, which is just right now,
Speaker 5: well hold on it.
Speaker 6: So they yeah, they like literally opened the floor outside
Speaker 6: the studio and they're fishing around with like a broom
Speaker 6: to mop up batter and something. This is a low level,
Speaker 6: hollowed out death star about to be shot into. Like
Speaker 6: this building has always felt slightly fraudulent, and it's being
Speaker 6: completely exposed, like we're three levels below the roof.
Speaker 7: And it's leaking that what is happening concerning Also the
Speaker 7: fact that water was coming through lights and there were
Speaker 7: like dumpster sized containers catching the water and tarps everywhere
Speaker 7: concerning reminded me a little bit of the Titanic when
Speaker 7: the Titanic started to spring leaks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, another monument to humanity that turned out to be.
Speaker 6: A little like the most concerning element is that in
Speaker 6: the very hard working people that you know deal with
Speaker 6: maintenance and things here in their work seem to have
Speaker 6: zero Like they seem to be in awe of what
Speaker 6: is happening to the building.
Speaker 4: But this is everywhere.
Speaker 2: Right when you hit the iceberg, everybody's like, yeah, we're fine,
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what we went We never thought this
Speaker 2: would have on single Molly Brown was like a we're cool,
Speaker 2: let's go dansing soaculator, there's.
Speaker 8: Slides by me, There's there's a lot going on in
Speaker 8: La like everyone everyone's calmed down with oh, it's just raining,
Speaker 8: what a little rain, and like the whole city shuts down. Yeah,
Speaker 8: because this area can't handle all of the water.
Speaker 3: Gang So yeah, well I was accused of that. Well
Speaker 3: that is and my wife on Sunday, Oh, I said,
Speaker 3: I looked on my window and it didn't seem to be.
Speaker 5: That does depend where you are in some areas. It's
Speaker 5: totally fine.
Speaker 3: Think about this. They got this. This is sobering.
Speaker 2: My pool is getting very close to overflowing the coma.
Speaker 3: Like they're thinking about Just think about that. What happens
Speaker 3: at the happens though, by the way, and that's what
Speaker 3: we're dealing with here.
Speaker 4: You should be draining your pool before a big storm.
Speaker 3: But Aquaman, I don't know. All right. This is also
Speaker 3: hard to believe.
Speaker 2: But is the been three years since Chris Westling left us.
Speaker 2: This is the Chris Westling podcast studio. Chris was one
Speaker 2: of the founding members of this podcast and our good
Speaker 2: friend and passed away from cancer three years ago on
Speaker 2: this very day. It's it's still hard to believe, greg
Speaker 2: that that that he's gone at all, and that three
Speaker 2: years have passed and yet here we are.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a tough time of year, I think,
Speaker 5: with the super Bowl coming up every year when this
Speaker 5: this date happens. But unlike you know a lot of people,
Speaker 5: we have these these video recordings of our time with Wes,
Speaker 5: and not that the podcast was our only great times
Speaker 5: with Wes, but it is crazy to go back and
Speaker 5: to listen to those at times like this.
Speaker 3: I have an idea, well it was kind of Greg's idea,
Speaker 3: but well take it as you're right. Yes, I think
Speaker 3: Wes would appreciate it.
Speaker 2: This is this is fun because yes, it sucks that
Speaker 2: he's not with us, but it is great that we
Speaker 2: have these memories that we could listen to and it
Speaker 2: is super Bowl weak and it is Wes, you know,
Speaker 2: from I guess it would have been about the twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen super Bowl and the next five or six years
Speaker 2: after it was it was the four of us doing
Speaker 2: all those shows together. And and we are coming up
Speaker 2: on an anniversary.
Speaker 3: Is it the ten year anniversary of this? Well, this
Speaker 3: occurred after the twenty fourteen season.
Speaker 5: So this would be yeah, nine years right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Chris famously had this.
Speaker 2: He was an avid softball player both in at Tybee Island,
Speaker 2: where he lived before relocating to Los Angeles to take
Speaker 2: the NFL job, and then of course here in LA
Speaker 2: where the Shield of the Company softball team went to
Speaker 2: three straight title games, winning two Chips. Trophies are in
Speaker 2: my attic every year when I go up there to
Speaker 2: get the Christmas decorations. There they are staring right back
Speaker 2: at me. It's very nice. Makes me think of Chris also,
Speaker 2: And so Chris, there was a two part situation one
Speaker 2: year on the podcast. He said it was something about
Speaker 2: the Raiders and how many wins they would get to
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: He was very down on the Raiders, as I recall.
Speaker 5: The Dennis Allen Raiders that he did not believe could
Speaker 5: get to eight wins. And now that you mentioned it,
Speaker 5: that would have been our very first season as the
Speaker 5: round the NFL makes sense. That would have been the
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen season. This super Bowl is capping our second
Speaker 5: full season. That was c X Patriots.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: So Wes said, if the Raiders reached that benchmark, he'll
Speaker 2: eat his own softball fans. And it came down to
Speaker 2: the wire, but he actually ended up winning that wager.
Speaker 2: He looked it right in the face and and ended
Speaker 2: up not having a Then he doubled down Chris and
Speaker 2: the following year after your boy, Johnny Manziel Mark enters
Speaker 2: the league as a first round pick and all the
Speaker 2: hype around him, Wes said, I again will eat my
Speaker 2: softball pants if Johnny manziel is not the weak one
Speaker 2: starter for the Cleveland Browns, which at the time, what
Speaker 2: Wes didn't know and what we didn't have clear idea about,
Speaker 2: was like how much madness was going on beyond the
Speaker 2: scenes with Manziel, which and they end up going with
Speaker 2: Brian Hoyer to start that season. Anyway, so Wes loses
Speaker 2: the wager. Cut to the Super Bowl Media Center in
Speaker 2: where would.
Speaker 3: This have been? New Orleans?
Speaker 2: No, Arizona, Arizona, And guess what it was time to
Speaker 2: pay the piper at that media center.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: They had a random we didn't know it was going
Speaker 2: to be there, but a random hot dog stand in
Speaker 2: the middle of the media center.
Speaker 3: And it was a twenty dollars hot dog.
Speaker 6: It was like a gourmet Well, although I thought I
Speaker 6: thought our producer had to go find it out on
Speaker 6: the town, it was no.
Speaker 2: True, No, it was literally in the Media Center. It
Speaker 2: was a twenty dollars. What we needed to do was
Speaker 2: get the NFL to clear paying for the hot dog,
Speaker 2: which was a chore back, like, oh my god, they
Speaker 2: didn't want us do in the podcast, it was like, now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, here we go, they get the clearance.
Speaker 3: Here comes. I think it was like a three foot
Speaker 3: hot dog.
Speaker 6: It was in that realm outrageous with all the pictures
Speaker 6: hot dog.
Speaker 2: So we decided the move would be to cut up
Speaker 2: the softball pants and sprinkle it over the dog and
Speaker 2: West because he was always a man that was good,
Speaker 2: uh you know for his word ate up.
Speaker 3: Let's listen to a clip from that show.
Speaker 2: We will find out will Chris Westling eat his softball?
Speaker 9: First time I've ever had heartburn before I ate something.
Speaker 5: Wesling was seriously nervous. Later, we were doing some preparations
Speaker 5: behind the scene with the softball pants. West is getting
Speaker 5: a little I'm a little.
Speaker 2: I mean he's eating polyester, zipper and other composite parts.
Speaker 3: So we're just get ready. Wes's it could be dangerous.
Speaker 3: I'm concerned for my friend and this openly sugar Wes
Speaker 3: softball pants. It's literally minutes away. Now where's your where's
Speaker 3: your where's your mind?
Speaker 9: I think of everything I've consumed this week, softball pants
Speaker 9: are not high.
Speaker 3: On the list of most harmful my mind. It's really fair.
Speaker 3: And he did true to his word. He took a
Speaker 3: couple of bites.
Speaker 2: He took down the polyester, he took down the composite parts,
Speaker 2: some zipper, and then I remember about still about eighty
Speaker 2: seven percent of the hot dog left behind when we
Speaker 2: just we were like do we throw it out to
Speaker 2: somebody else?
Speaker 3: That we just walked away.
Speaker 2: And there's a photo if you're watching on the Fast
Speaker 2: channel of Wes at the moment of truth. A great
Speaker 2: one of a million great memories with Wes, and that's
Speaker 2: in terms of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: That one's at the top.
Speaker 6: We had Connor Or with us, and that was the
Speaker 6: when they would do the radio row where we were
Speaker 6: sitting up on a bigger set than they tend to
Speaker 6: have these days for our show. But like there were
Speaker 6: like sixty to seventy people standing there watching with no
Speaker 6: context clues of what was happening other than Wes eating
Speaker 6: a three foot long hot dog with composing parts in
Speaker 6: softball pants cloth on.
Speaker 5: It, including Keith and Keith ANSAs.
Speaker 2: My brother. Yeah, yep, they were right. If you look
Speaker 2: at that photo, if you bring it up again, that
Speaker 2: was they're right there, there there, They're there. It's uh,
Speaker 2: it's incredible and uh the other fun part and this
Speaker 2: was also part of the West experience. Obviously, if anyone
Speaker 2: listens to the show, you know something like this, I
Speaker 2: would be hyper invested in and be excited about the bit.
Speaker 2: And I asked Wes like ten times. I said, Wes,
Speaker 2: you got to make sure you bring the softball pans.
Speaker 2: Can't forget to bring him? We need the softball pants.
Speaker 2: And then what happens once we get to Arizona?
Speaker 3: I forgot him.
Speaker 5: That was a.
Speaker 3: Different version of Wes back then on someone.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good segue, and we did eventually
Speaker 2: get them. But Greg, you pulled another clip too that
Speaker 2: it connects a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of what you were saying.
Speaker 7: Mark.
Speaker 5: The whole show is fun to listen to it. It's
Speaker 5: much different. We're much more concise. Maybe we had to
Speaker 5: get out of there, but that show is under thirty
Speaker 5: five minutes. We did like four segments. I brought up
Speaker 5: to him because he suddenly was big on Dan Quinn.
Speaker 5: I believe or maybe with Patriots, And I was getting
Speaker 5: on him for falling in love basically with whatever team
Speaker 5: that he covered for the week. Then he suddenly thought
Speaker 5: like the people that that team was were the greatest things.
Speaker 3: Ever, that's a fair point I credit.
Speaker 9: I credit Pete Peril because I think he made a
Speaker 9: lot of mistakes early in his coaching career. And I
Speaker 9: don't know how good of a person he was, but
Speaker 9: he seems like a more self actualized individual.
Speaker 3: We learned it from his mistakes. You see a little
Speaker 3: of yourself in Pek.
Speaker 9: Now, I have never learned anything, and I'm not good
Speaker 9: at evolving.
Speaker 2: I wish I would to say I'm not getting dizzy
Speaker 2: right now because Wes conceded a point. Now, what you
Speaker 2: said Mark connects for me is that Wes before he died,
Speaker 2: absolutely evolved. A lot of that went back to Lakeisha
Speaker 2: in my mind, and what a transformational effect she had.
Speaker 2: But also it's not just a person entering his life.
Speaker 2: Wes kind of made a concerned effort to evolve change.
Speaker 2: Not that that Wes was bad, but it was different
Speaker 2: than the one that we knew before he got.
Speaker 3: So there were multiple Weses.
Speaker 6: And I also think like that so Greg, like what
Speaker 6: that clip you displayed was because that was the version
Speaker 6: of our show where I got tagged tracking the Patriots
Speaker 6: all week and Wes had the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: And so but there was a day we won't We.
Speaker 6: Both bent went to Seattle like media media session and
Speaker 6: sat and talked to dan Quinn for like twenty five minutes,
Speaker 6: and like both just fell in love with dan Quinn.
Speaker 6: So I think that's where that was coming from. It's
Speaker 6: like dan Quinn, I know today it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 6: a bit of a boring hire by the command. It's
Speaker 6: like dan Quinn dazzled in this like one on one,
Speaker 6: like hanging out with a couple of reporters and Wes fell.
Speaker 6: Wes is not a hardcore journalist and in terms of
Speaker 6: like a reporter person, and like he just fell for
Speaker 6: dan Quint.
Speaker 5: You know what I think listening to this, which I
Speaker 5: never would have remember, dan Quinn had read something Wes
Speaker 5: wrote and told him, oh it's nice to meet you
Speaker 5: and mentioned how he had read. And so now I'm
Speaker 5: rooting for dan Quinn.
Speaker 3: Now all right, Yeah we're all back in what a
Speaker 3: higher Yeah, we love it.
Speaker 7: When we were talking yesterday about things that we could
Speaker 7: potentially do for Wes today. The softball pants for me
Speaker 7: was like such a pivotal moment in like my friendship
Speaker 7: with you guys, how much I wanted to be friends
Speaker 7: with you guys. That was my first season at NFL.
Speaker 7: And I'll never forget when he ate his softball pants
Speaker 7: and I remember specifically the zippers. Will just like stay
Speaker 7: with you talking about the zippers, and.
Speaker 4: It never left my mind.
Speaker 7: It still lives in the recesses of my mind somehow.
Speaker 7: But it was like when Wes' is Toaster the softball
Speaker 7: pants episode, when Wes was in Tybee and he.
Speaker 4: Called in from the bar. We called the bar and
Speaker 4: he was, he was there.
Speaker 2: It wasn't We always called him because part of the
Speaker 2: fund was tracking him. You would get you would get him.
Speaker 2: You would obviously get him at the bar huckapoos more
Speaker 2: often than not. But if you didn't get him at
Speaker 2: the bar, he was at the garage with Wayne and Rosie.
Speaker 2: Really one of those two spots, yes specifically, and.
Speaker 4: He was in such his element.
Speaker 7: And in those early days we were taping all of
Speaker 7: those like random segments for NFL now and I didn't
Speaker 7: get a chance to like truly see what Wes was
Speaker 7: until we would go and hang out off site and
Speaker 7: things like that. But that on those episodes, the TYPEE episodes,
Speaker 7: he really was able to show all of the listeners
Speaker 7: like who he was, his true spirit and it was
Speaker 7: so beautiful to see and it was just so fun
Speaker 7: to be around him, and I just missed him so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all do. Like today I was thinking about,
Speaker 5: like the best way we can honor him, Like he
Speaker 5: always when there was a good time to be had
Speaker 5: anywhere he was, he was going to make sure he
Speaker 5: had it. So I think that that's the best way
Speaker 5: to try to honor him today. Yes see that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was on this Pro Football Ireland did a
Speaker 2: live show last week and they were at a bar
Speaker 2: and as often as the case, I was in on
Speaker 2: zooms and I was talking to a bunch of Irish
Speaker 2: people holding guinnesses and always asked about Wes Love getting
Speaker 2: asked about West and he said, what is it that
Speaker 2: you remember about Wes And it was That's what I
Speaker 2: thought of. It was like, I am personally someone who
Speaker 2: likes to keep a smaller, tighter circle people. I have
Speaker 2: people that are comfortable with, I have people that I like,
Speaker 2: which all you guys are included in that group, as
Speaker 2: was Wes and.
Speaker 10: Lakeisha and I, yeah, I just got in Wes. Wes
Speaker 10: was the opposite. Wes was like the more the merrier. Oh,
Speaker 10: he was always comfortable no matter the gathering. So obviously
Speaker 10: to lose somebody like that is unbelievable. You never kind
Speaker 10: of you never kind of get over it because it's
Speaker 10: he was like one of those one in a million
Speaker 10: type people. And then when you have that person at
Speaker 10: your life and then go the the immense, the immense
Speaker 10: nature of the loss never really dissipates. But getting to
Speaker 10: talk about him this way is it helps.
Speaker 7: I'll never forget When I first started listening to the
Speaker 7: ATM podcast, it was I was on the flight to
Speaker 7: take the job to move out here to LA and
Speaker 7: I started just like downloading as many NFL podcasts as possible,
Speaker 7: and I just like list blew through all of your episodes,
Speaker 7: and I remember thinking to myself, Okay, Dan is going
Speaker 7: to be probably the easiest.
Speaker 4: One to become friends with.
Speaker 7: And and then I wasn't sure where Mark and Greg
Speaker 7: fell yet, but I thought that Wes was going to
Speaker 7: be the most difficult one to win over. And it
Speaker 7: could not have been more of the opposite. When I
Speaker 7: met you, guys, well, and we had a we had.
Speaker 6: A like a truly if you'd write a book about
Speaker 6: the whole thing of fortuitous encounter at the the Whaler
Speaker 6: where it was just a random off season Sunday and
Speaker 6: I was out with Wes, which you know the minute
Speaker 6: football would end. I know he was the hardcore football
Speaker 6: head and we missed his analysis. But like when the
Speaker 6: football season went in, Wes would declare it, like make
Speaker 6: a declarative statement of like football, check you later for
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of time here.
Speaker 6: Oh, And he loved to go looking around LA for
Speaker 6: something that felt like Tybee Island, and the Whaler, which
Speaker 6: was an upstairs bar overlooking the sea, felt close to it.
Speaker 3: And we were out there.
Speaker 6: Having beers and you were there with Christ and your
Speaker 6: friend and your dad and your mom.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 6: And we didn't really know you at all, We had
Speaker 6: never hung out and we I think that started this
Speaker 6: idea of like, wait a minute, we should all be friends.
Speaker 6: And like a week or two later, Dan was there,
Speaker 6: Greg was there, like everyone was there, and it just
Speaker 6: like grew from that moment and Wes I think showed
Speaker 6: you how easy. It was, oh my god, like, there's
Speaker 6: the West the football person that everyone listened to, and
Speaker 6: then there's the West, the hangout person that's like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, this is a whole different universe.
Speaker 7: Less and my mom were like beck as thieves immediately.
Speaker 7: My mom was just like crushing Pete Carroll for some
Speaker 7: reason hated him, and Wes absolutely loved that.
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of forgot about the Carol Westling beef.
Speaker 2: But now this has all been brought back up. And
Speaker 2: speaking of Wes program, note we had been taping these
Speaker 2: over the course of the season, and now they're starting
Speaker 2: to roll out on NFL Plus, where we watched each
Speaker 2: of the last five Super Bowls leading up to, of
Speaker 2: course this upcoming Sunday's Super Bowl fifty eight.
Speaker 4: Too many Roman numerals, well's it's enough already.
Speaker 6: We're done with ro never talked to a bunch of
Speaker 6: so many people agree with your Roman.
Speaker 5: Thank you, We're done with it. We're not gonna yeah,
Speaker 5: we don't know.
Speaker 3: The NFL's not there. We'll lead them.
Speaker 2: So if the NFL is not done with it, we're
Speaker 2: not done with We're back. Fortunately, we're back in. But
Speaker 2: we go through Yeah, each of the last five Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: You know, like we said three years ago today we
Speaker 2: lost Wes. That also happened to be two days before
Speaker 2: the Chiefs Bucks Super Bowl that year, So when we
Speaker 2: go through that game, you'll see that on NFL Plus
Speaker 2: if you want to check it out.
Speaker 3: We actually talk about West. We play some.
Speaker 2: A clip that Lakeisha produced about you know, the loss
Speaker 2: and the life that they shared together.
Speaker 3: So check that out an NFL Plus. All right, what
Speaker 3: do we got going on today?
Speaker 2: Yes, the Super Bowls this week, and it's a it's
Speaker 2: a two it's a two week ramp up. We don't
Speaker 2: need two weeks. Like in terms of breaking down the game.
Speaker 2: The game is the game. There are teams that we've
Speaker 2: been watching all season long. We got the deep dive
Speaker 2: all through the playoffs. The two weeks is really about
Speaker 2: the NFL as the machine getting on the Death Star
Speaker 2: in place in Las Vegas. So I don't feel bad
Speaker 2: if this show, for instance, doesn't hit it too hard
Speaker 2: because we're going to Vegas on Wednesday, and just so
Speaker 2: everyone knows, we're gonna have a big lineup of three
Speaker 2: shows at Radio Row with a bunch of great guests.
Speaker 2: So that's and We're gonna continue to dig into the
Speaker 2: game a little later. Today we're gonna get Brian Baldinger,
Speaker 2: the Great Balding on the show. Yes, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: start digging into the game. But before that, we only
Speaker 2: have a finite amount of time with Colleen because Connie
Speaker 2: Fox Listen, she's.
Speaker 3: One of the faces of the network. And the fact that.
Speaker 2: We got her booked her today, the clock's already ticking
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact. So why don't we move
Speaker 2: some things around and get into our first big subject,
Speaker 2: which is something we've teased for.
Speaker 3: A while, the Top ten.
Speaker 2: Radio Hall of the twenty twenty three hyphen twenty four season.
Speaker 3: Now, this is a this is a big one for.
Speaker 5: I'm getting rid of hyphens too. Is this twenty three?
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's not.
Speaker 3: It's like we're deep into.
Speaker 5: Now, to just make a choice.
Speaker 3: Eric, the producer who does great work. How are you Eric?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good, guys, How are you? Eric? Are you
Speaker 5: packed for Vegas yet?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm worrying about my pool swallowing up the rest
Speaker 2: of my house right now, So that's kind of set
Speaker 2: me back a little.
Speaker 6: Right I'm driving, so I just throw it in the
Speaker 6: back of a car and I'm leaving to park it
Speaker 6: underneath the l in the basement hotel.
Speaker 2: That's a long drive for the sess DOAG and it's
Speaker 2: got me a little noivous, I gotta say I did.
Speaker 11: I was partially surprised, but Mark is Mark's an outlier,
Speaker 11: so when they when I heard about this, I was like,
Speaker 11: I could see it happening.
Speaker 6: I think there's some fair concern on the part of
Speaker 6: the league, but I don't think this should be I
Speaker 6: don't understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 2: There's meetings, Eric, so you know the don't say super
Speaker 2: Bowl show. Notwithstanding, I guess I messed up too. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I'll blew it. But if you could tally up,
Speaker 2: because I still have to share what we're going to
Speaker 2: do with with that slush fund, but I want to
Speaker 2: wait for some Randy Chevez to be right not here today.
Speaker 3: We need you.
Speaker 2: We ask you all season to collect the calls that
Speaker 2: we hear in real time on Sundays that really resonate
Speaker 2: with us and connect and we did some. It took
Speaker 2: some time and made our own lists, and then it
Speaker 2: was up to Eric the producer to put it together
Speaker 2: in a top ten calls of the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 3: Season. So let's get into it, Colleen, How what do you.
Speaker 4: Think I'm ready for it. I feel like there's a
Speaker 4: lot of pressure though for Eric always.
Speaker 2: Never it's it's a lot of heat in that chair.
Speaker 2: It's a hot seat, it is. I mean, it's like
Speaker 2: spinal tap. They tend to disappear after a while, one
Speaker 2: way or the other. We hope Eric will be the
Speaker 2: one that sticks around.
Speaker 11: Well, see how Vegas goes, guys, I might just stay
Speaker 11: in the desert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, you know what they say. All right,
Speaker 3: here we go.
Speaker 2: Any other anybody have comments before we move into this conversation.
Speaker 3: I can relate to the staying in the desert comment
Speaker 3: by him. So that's why we're concerned. That's why the
Speaker 3: league is a concern about this Vegas trip.
Speaker 12: For you.
Speaker 3: That's a long drive for the Sustar.
Speaker 4: Can I put a tracker on your car?
Speaker 3: I know you've been driving more I haven't driving.
Speaker 5: About how much is he actually driving?
Speaker 4: He's a really good driver?
Speaker 3: Right? Very Wait are you are you a front seat driver?
Speaker 2: You're like the passenger in a two car journey with
Speaker 2: the significant other.
Speaker 6: No drive in the same car. I'll drive as much
Speaker 6: behind the wheel. Sure, a bunch of the time.
Speaker 5: Split it up.
Speaker 3: That's how you do it. I think I don't split
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 5: Wow, I mean I live with them.
Speaker 6: I should drive the entire way, absolutely, I know, but
Speaker 6: I'm also preparing for a show and taking, you know,
Speaker 6: throw notes and researching.
Speaker 5: I mean, my lovely uh emic a wife doesn't literally
Speaker 5: doesn't drive. I have to just drive to the grocery.
Speaker 4: I live in my car.
Speaker 2: Greg's wife is still mad that they moved to California.
Speaker 2: So her way of getting back, I'm never getting a
Speaker 2: driver's license in Los Angeles to make your life twenty
Speaker 2: nine percent.
Speaker 6: That's a pretty like fantastic yes or no, piece of revenge.
Speaker 4: What a plan by her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she definitely would rather be in New York for Tokyo.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, New York or Tokyo, not
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Problematic. The number ten call of this season
Speaker 2: belongs to should I just should I set these up?
Speaker 2: I have the top ten here?
Speaker 11: Yeah, you have the top ten, so I just want
Speaker 11: to toss to and then you give them credit after
Speaker 11: the end.
Speaker 2: Okay, The number ten call goes back to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And it was the dagger throw by Jordan Love.
Speaker 13: First in ten football at the thirty eight of Dallas
Speaker 13: play action of bootleg left half, boot legs.
Speaker 14: Right up but down the right side, must turns out, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 3: Blue Mush Gray been a dagger, Hey, dagger like you
Speaker 3: off Heart of the Cowboys. Great call by Wayne Laravie.
Speaker 2: Of course a w R n W and credit to
Speaker 2: Fox too, because we're seeing if you're watching this on Fast,
Speaker 2: you're seeing a woman in Arlington at Jerald World just
Speaker 2: throwing her arms up like I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 3: The dagger just cutting through everyone in the in the
Speaker 3: town through the heart. Stunner.
Speaker 4: That woman makes this call so much better.
Speaker 7: The cutaway shot of her, It all kind of like
Speaker 7: plays together and makes it perfect.
Speaker 2: Do we ding Laravie because he's not seeing that necessarily
Speaker 2: do anything overthinking?
Speaker 5: This dagger through the heart is great and it was
Speaker 5: the last dagger of the season. I felt like the
Speaker 5: last two months every Sunday was some version of a
Speaker 5: different dagger, and this was the logical conclusion.
Speaker 3: I like it. I need a little bit more in
Speaker 3: general from these calls, so let's see what comes up. Next.
Speaker 2: That's why I came in at number ten. And remember,
Speaker 2: if some of these feel underwhelming, it's not because it's
Speaker 2: not Eric's fault. It's because in the moment he said,
Speaker 2: we said to Eric, right, No, we want to make
Speaker 2: it clear. We say to Eric, put that in the folder.
Speaker 2: So if Mark you're underwhelmed, maybe you should have said
Speaker 2: something in the moment, like don't put that in the fold.
Speaker 3: I add point the biler it myself. Number nine.
Speaker 2: Let's go to uh Tennessee, where the new kid quarterback
Speaker 2: finishes off a masterpiece of a week eight performance.
Speaker 1: My second and eleven play fake let us rolling to
Speaker 1: the right, looking looking firing deep that field, going for Westbrook,
Speaker 1: Akita in the intel taxstod tight Will Levis on his.
Speaker 15: His back, gets to watch has he has just thrown
Speaker 15: his fourth tych Dad ass.
Speaker 3: I'm visited, bel Did you hey?
Speaker 5: That dude has got an arm?
Speaker 3: WHOA what a big time throw there?
Speaker 2: It is for TDS, for Levis, Mike Keith with it
Speaker 2: called Dave McGinnis. I think part of the reason, maybe
Speaker 2: on that one, Greg, that we were like put it
Speaker 2: in the folder is because you were expecting, oh, this
Speaker 2: Levis is the start of an every week occurrence. He
Speaker 2: never did that again, but it was pretty awesome in
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 5: I think just having Mike, if we went back and
Speaker 5: listened to this year after year, like had a all
Speaker 5: time power ring because I feel like Mike, you just
Speaker 5: get a Mike Keith Collin every year.
Speaker 3: You gotta get Keith in there.
Speaker 4: Mike Keith is awesome, all right?
Speaker 3: Number eight? Okay, So Cowboys had a big year.
Speaker 2: Deron Bland had a big year, setting an NFL record
Speaker 2: for pick six's.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 2: This was the point of the season where you began
Speaker 2: expecting it and just saying when will it happen?
Speaker 3: I believe this might have been the last one, but
Speaker 3: it was a memorable.
Speaker 2: One second and ten Jones is back plenty of time,
Speaker 2: rolls right, boggled up, throws back to that and intercepting
Speaker 2: groan Blend call the.
Speaker 3: House, Hello house, Hello house. Touchdown for the plane.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my favorite.
Speaker 2: I was on the points because Mark. We were at
Speaker 2: Cowboys camp this summer. We met with Brad Sham, the
Speaker 2: sham god, who has a close relationship with Oliver Stone,
Speaker 2: or at least was in a film of his, and
Speaker 2: we had a long conversation with the sham God, so
Speaker 2: to hear him and and.
Speaker 3: And and that call. I like that one well, And
Speaker 3: that happens so often for him to cover, and he
Speaker 3: found a new way to do it.
Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think that was pre planned.
Speaker 5: That's why I love it.
Speaker 4: He's an innovator.
Speaker 3: Hello house, all right? Number seven?
Speaker 2: Okay, this one's a little bit controversial because you would say, oh,
Speaker 2: it should always be some type of exciting call.
Speaker 3: But this was a call that took place in the second.
Speaker 2: Half of one of the most grizzly blowouts in NFL history,
Speaker 2: and it happens to involve in the booth Matt Money
Speaker 2: Smith and Bucky Brooks's podcast partner that they just launched.
Speaker 4: A shows his name God.
Speaker 2: I wish I could remember something looked that up at
Speaker 2: and with the Raiders at the goal line, here's the
Speaker 2: call from Money.
Speaker 3: Have you decided whether you want to stand up or
Speaker 3: sit down yet? I didn't want to lay down under
Speaker 3: the desk and I was looking for a blindfold, but
Speaker 3: apparently you can't do this shot with a born.
Speaker 16: No, we have to watch do our best to bring
Speaker 16: you some entertaining play by play and analysis of what
Speaker 16: has been wildly disappointing. Here's a double pass to the
Speaker 16: end zone, and hey, why not just humiliated.
Speaker 5: I didn't know this was eligible for some reason. I
Speaker 5: thought it was in some separate category. This might be
Speaker 5: my number one, but that's an Alzheimer. I want to
Speaker 5: save that for future youth.
Speaker 6: I am the nerd that drives around listening to AM
Speaker 6: sports radio in Los Angeles and Matt money Smith and
Speaker 6: Petros like Hope, like they have a show that ranges
Speaker 6: from like one hour to four hours depending on when
Speaker 6: the Dodgers player or someone else, but like Matt money
Speaker 6: Smith is ready for anything, and like I think he's
Speaker 6: got an underrated sense of humor, h sort of sarcasm.
Speaker 6: And it played out right there, and it's like I
Speaker 6: love that kind of thing. I like when our play
Speaker 6: by play, Like when play by play people are not
Speaker 6: just robots.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of robots. He's not a robot.
Speaker 2: That's funny because I'm listening to that call. And did
Speaker 2: you know power Rings for a couple of years of
Speaker 2: Matt and got to know him, and he just sounds mad.
Speaker 2: He sounds like like it's embarrassing for everyone. Like it's
Speaker 2: so it's so he's using it. Yeah, that type of
Speaker 2: zone there. But that is a team, Yes, that is.
Speaker 5: At level they're they're a part of the team. They get,
Speaker 5: they get a super Bowl ring if they win the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. And let's not they're mad. Do you get
Speaker 5: points to critique, then it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not Jameis Winston, Uh, you know, and the running
Speaker 2: play with Jamal Williams, but Antonio appires calling a double
Speaker 2: pass to get to Ponta Adams a touchdown up forty two.
Speaker 3: Nothing. Uh, kind of flew.
Speaker 2: Under the radar a little bit in terms of Dick moves.
Speaker 2: But listen, but it got him a head coach job
Speaker 2: in some bar.
Speaker 4: Honey, just being like, yeah, why not?
Speaker 5: Just so just sated, he said.
Speaker 2: Just humiliate them. I think he's talking about the booth
Speaker 2: as well. Just tough one, tough one. All right, all right,
Speaker 2: let's do something more positive for the Raiders. The Patriots
Speaker 2: pop up a couple times here, Greg and negative ways.
Speaker 5: But that's yeah, this is mac Jones's second total blunder
Speaker 5: to set up an opponent.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go. How about we finished the
Speaker 3: song with the safety?
Speaker 12: Shall we.
Speaker 3: Anything but a deep bowl?
Speaker 10: Bourd out Territory obviously, Jones standing in his own ends
Speaker 10: on to.
Speaker 3: Our right, snap back to pass pressure again.
Speaker 5: Off the edge, shack for the safety cross the Nichols.
Speaker 14: They note in the end they school stood.
Speaker 3: To the turf. Have the Raiders defense?
Speaker 17: How's that safe thing?
Speaker 3: Jason?
Speaker 12: Did you predicted it?
Speaker 3: How about you give me a lot of numbers for
Speaker 3: that kid?
Speaker 2: David Harrowitz and Lincoln Kennedy with the call of a KRLV.
Speaker 2: You think, based on the first half of this top
Speaker 2: ten that the Raiders are playing on Sunday, But that's
Speaker 2: not exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: But they had some exciting moments. Connie, any thoughts there.
Speaker 4: I just like how clairvoyant he was in the moment.
Speaker 3: Bonus points for that.
Speaker 5: I just like throughout the course of the season you
Speaker 5: could feel a catastrophic Mac Jones play coming, and then
Speaker 5: it always came. It's truly one of the worst quarterback
Speaker 5: seasons from a quarterback. I feel like that we've seen
Speaker 5: be okay. Ever, I mean that that was an all
Speaker 5: time bad quarterback.
Speaker 3: There. Is he going to be next year?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 3: What kind of market will he come out if he's
Speaker 3: not with Is he going to be with the Patriots?
Speaker 5: I mean he has a contract under contract. Someone will
Speaker 5: someone give up a seventh round conditional pick and just
Speaker 5: to have a new start, I would think so like
Speaker 5: that drafted all right?
Speaker 2: This next one I had slightly higher, but in the
Speaker 2: average weight it ended at number five.
Speaker 3: The Texans and the Titans. And this one was on
Speaker 3: my radar and a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I liked this one because I just the Titans had
Speaker 2: the gall the gall yes, after ownership abandoned the city
Speaker 2: of Houston.
Speaker 3: Abandoned them and went to Nashville, Okay, to then.
Speaker 2: Have the absolute audacity to then wear a Houston Oilers
Speaker 2: throwback jersey for their throwback week when they're playing against
Speaker 2: the Texans, the team that replaced the Oilers after to
Speaker 2: borrow assessrism. They ripped the Oilers out of the belly
Speaker 2: right to Houston. Terrible manners and they pay for it,
Speaker 2: disgraceful to the highlight. Sixteen sixteen, two seconds to go
Speaker 2: in overtime, fifty four yard a tip left hash Mark.
Speaker 3: Here's the snap.
Speaker 5: Here here's the spot.
Speaker 12: Here's the kick by.
Speaker 6: Fair bearsod the Tuxads win.
Speaker 15: Legendary fair Bear knocks it through from four.
Speaker 14: As the texaids defeat.
Speaker 3: Just farmer oilers. Put those uniforms back in the trunk.
Speaker 6: In the trunk, I think you want the voices of
Speaker 6: your nineteen sixteen five to feel the same anger and
Speaker 6: fire and joy that you feel, and like they speak
Speaker 6: for the fans right there, and that one, I think.
Speaker 2: I had it ranked higher because of the Mark Vanderbier
Speaker 2: and Andre Ware with the call for kilt.
Speaker 4: That's what you get.
Speaker 3: That's what you get.
Speaker 5: Are on the list because of the tag from the
Speaker 5: color analyst to cap it in the winter.
Speaker 2: You're always gonna get bonus points when the color analyst
Speaker 2: goes full fan and just starts screaming. Celebration Number four
Speaker 2: all was a special second half for Cleveland Browns fans.
Speaker 2: Is Joe Flacco stepped in and took the team to
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Here was one of his many plays that season.
Speaker 3: This Flaco on fourth down and three, play clock is
Speaker 3: in five. I don't know if they're gonna snap it.
Speaker 3: Play clock is at two. They do. He rolls right,
Speaker 3: he throws the middle.
Speaker 1: Its fine open down at the twenty five.
Speaker 15: At the twenty fifteen ten five touchdown hits David Bell.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, they forgotten to cover David Bell.
Speaker 17: It was the parting of the Red Sea Jim David
Speaker 17: Bell who has been searching, yearning, desire to get into
Speaker 17: the end zone in the National Football League, Well desire
Speaker 17: no more.
Speaker 2: My friend Jim Donovan and Nathan Scarro, the calm great
Speaker 2: Jim Donovan.
Speaker 3: Was that the game where we went with the on
Speaker 3: side kick play call on Sunday?
Speaker 6: Oh no, I'm not sure about that one. Uh, well
Speaker 6: you're doing Dave Njoku that day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was on site.
Speaker 11: I almost there was a slight part of me where
Speaker 11: I thought about sneaking that into this lists for you,
Speaker 11: but I know on a time here, But yeah, that
Speaker 11: was the plan. And then we also played a Nijoku
Speaker 11: highlight later in the week two your multiple times.
Speaker 3: I like Jim Donovan. We all know he struggled a lot.
Speaker 6: He's been through a lot of health battles and come
Speaker 6: back and just I think of all these guys, he's
Speaker 6: got to be in a top three of enthusiasm that
Speaker 6: when something good happens to the Browns, like he cannot
Speaker 6: control themselves and there are incredible him and the girls.
Speaker 3: The girl also is like a ball of energy.
Speaker 6: But like they have like video shots of these guys
Speaker 6: up in the boot that you think like they're sitting
Speaker 6: down with like notes, like they're standing up going crazy,
Speaker 6: and like Jim Donovan is.
Speaker 3: Right at the top of the list. So I like that.
Speaker 2: And a special shout out even though not on the
Speaker 2: list but easily could have been on the list. Andrew Siciliano,
Speaker 2: who who stepped in uh for Jim when he was
Speaker 2: dealing with health issues. Add some really great calls Chris
Speaker 2: too ye during that those some of those unlikely Browns
Speaker 2: wins throughout throughout the season. All right, number three, all right,
Speaker 2: we're on this. We're on to the metal stand Connie, Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. Oh you knew Wolfley was gonna be
Speaker 2: on the list? Oh heck.
Speaker 3: Cardinals Steelers, Week thirteen.
Speaker 18: Third down on a yard on the nine, Three tight
Speaker 18: ends Murray under center, Connor behind him, one receiver to
Speaker 18: the right. They hand it off Connor to the laft,
Speaker 18: first down, Connor dies for the end zone touchdown. James
Speaker 18: Connor with two scores and the welcome back party in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 14: All the Cardinals just broke out black and blue Brigade, Baby,
Speaker 14: light up and suck the beating hearts speaking of your.
Speaker 2: Speaking of course, wow, as opposed to literally murdering your
Speaker 2: opponent by sticking your hand into the chest Temple of
Speaker 2: Doom style.
Speaker 5: I mean it was to just goes oh started.
Speaker 4: That just comes from such a deep place within himself.
Speaker 3: I love it is he talk like that when he's
Speaker 3: at the deli counter, Like, I like who he is.
Speaker 3: He's just sort of like a strange he's won this before.
Speaker 12: Like.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go with a half pound of the turkey,
Speaker 3: all right? Number two?
Speaker 4: The silver?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the silver? You would you rather be two or three? Ultimately? Two?
Speaker 3: What because you're so close to one at that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but three you're so much farther from one.
Speaker 2: You recently celebrated your birthday, Connie, I did, and you
Speaker 2: sent a clip of doing an incredible Was it a
Speaker 2: triple axle?
Speaker 4: No, it's just a little scratch spin.
Speaker 3: Pretty damn impressive. Thank you, I have to say. But
Speaker 3: you're saying silver metal beats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michelle Kwan always getting that silver?
Speaker 3: How about Karrigan getting edged?
Speaker 5: The Olympians always say silver hurt points because then you
Speaker 5: just wish you won, whereas Browns are kind of happy
Speaker 5: to be there.
Speaker 3: Kragan went through a lot.
Speaker 2: Karrigan gets whacked in the knee, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: then I think it was Kwan maybe or no katterine
Speaker 2: a vit maybe.
Speaker 6: I refused to watch the event after Kerrigan was whacked.
Speaker 3: I thought that it lost all integrity.
Speaker 2: Eric the producer, please look up who defeated Nancy Kerrigan
Speaker 2: in the Olympics.
Speaker 3: By fractions of a point?
Speaker 7: It wasn't Lipinski yet, I don't think it is definitely
Speaker 7: after I think it was maybe Katerinovich. He was definitely
Speaker 7: in the mix.
Speaker 3: I don't think so either. But number two silver medal
Speaker 3: goes to our buddy at the barbershop.
Speaker 18: Second down and goal from the five has a snap
Speaker 18: helmet high looking left now middle pressure.
Speaker 3: He steps up, He froze.
Speaker 15: Right side end zone cut cut back right pylon. De
Speaker 15: Marcus Robinson with the go ahead score. Matthew Stafford play
Speaker 15: like an Ellipsis, Dots after dots after dot, touchdown Las.
Speaker 3: The Great JB along with the call KSPN just I
Speaker 3: love A.
Speaker 2: JB's style because he's he's economical but also vivid in
Speaker 2: his descriptions, and that's truly an original call an Ellipsis.
Speaker 3: Half the people might need to look up what is that?
Speaker 2: And then you see it, Oh, DoD DoD dotton And
Speaker 2: that was Stafford all season, right in a time when
Speaker 2: Grammar has you know, been thrown out of the side
Speaker 2: of the car.
Speaker 3: It goes car like he is a technical assassin.
Speaker 5: And it was one of like the literally the best
Speaker 5: drives by any quarterback all season because he's right like
Speaker 5: Stafford on that drive made like three or four ridiculous throws.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's going to make it awkward
Speaker 5: when we see JB next that he was so close
Speaker 5: to the mountaintop and he's like, well you couldn't just
Speaker 5: dn't just give it to me, guys, or if it
Speaker 5: is motivation, something to strive for for our friend for
Speaker 5: next year so he doesn't rest on.
Speaker 3: His life, that's good. A little bit of both, a
Speaker 3: little bit about and I think I think it a
Speaker 3: little bit of it will be like as disappoint as
Speaker 3: he may be, Oh wow, those guys are crazy amounts
Speaker 3: of integrity.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's what he's going to think.
Speaker 3: Do we know, by the way, who beat who beat?
Speaker 3: And a big on a big spot just a massive
Speaker 3: yon to her all right, number one, here we.
Speaker 5: Go, Miss Barry Connecticut resident, give.
Speaker 2: Me a give me a little timpany drum, because there
Speaker 2: can only be one, There can only be one, the
Speaker 2: greatest call. And maybe the super Bowl will bring a
Speaker 2: great calls out, but the one that from all these
Speaker 2: games that was better than any other. For the wild
Speaker 2: Card playoff, round we go, Ford Field, Here we go.
Speaker 19: Golf works out of the gun, second down, and nine
Speaker 19: two minutes ago, there's golf back looking looking throws.
Speaker 12: It is caught Havin ross S grown first down.
Speaker 3: Not gonna do it, gonna do it, not gonna do it.
Speaker 12: Turn Golf delivers against this former team.
Speaker 3: Now all they have to do is take a knee
Speaker 3: three times and this game will be over.
Speaker 2: For the second time since nineteen fifty seven, for the
Speaker 2: first time since January fifth, nineteen ninety two, the Detroit
Speaker 2: Lions are gonna.
Speaker 3: Win a playoff.
Speaker 2: Whoa of course, that is the voice of Dan Miller
Speaker 2: w x YT, a man who's been calling Lions games
Speaker 2: for a long time now and doing an incredible job
Speaker 2: at it, and so happy now to see Dan calling
Speaker 2: a big time team. And with that said, oh what
Speaker 2: fortuity that now Joining us in the Chris Wesley podcast studio,
Speaker 2: The integrity is off the charts.
Speaker 3: There is Dan Miller. Welcome to it.
Speaker 12: What's up, guys.
Speaker 3: How you doing better now?
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 12: Well, that was very nice. I appreciate that. That was
Speaker 12: very kind.
Speaker 3: You earned it.
Speaker 2: You're the Oxana Bayoule of this particular competition. Dan, about
Speaker 2: what it would have been, It would have been about
Speaker 2: eight years ago now, when I was writing the pain rankings.
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to someone who truly understood what
Speaker 2: the Lions have been through over these years. And it
Speaker 2: was you who I thought of. And you were so
Speaker 2: nice to talk with me on the phone. And here
Speaker 2: is the first question. And this is a tough way
Speaker 2: to open an interview, but listen, what did I know?
Speaker 2: Not a real journalist?
Speaker 3: Dan, here we go.
Speaker 2: In your first six years on the job as the
Speaker 2: play by play guy, the Lions went twenty three and
Speaker 2: seventy four, And I asked how that made your job
Speaker 2: more difficult? And you spoke expressively, and it's very interesting
Speaker 2: now we're on the other side of it. What a
Speaker 2: fun season that you just went through with the lines
Speaker 2: and early two years of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I like this is much better. I will tell
Speaker 12: you that.
Speaker 19: And that call and that emotion was just really just
Speaker 19: everything that I think we've all been through, and believe me,
Speaker 19: I've done this for nineteen years. There's a lot of
Speaker 19: people out there that felt the release of that victory
Speaker 19: and that moment that have been arounded a lot longer
Speaker 19: than I have, cacades longer than I have, and and
Speaker 19: have known really nothing but heartache and disappointment, and just
Speaker 19: that was just so important for so many people, so
Speaker 19: many reasons for the franchise, for the city, for the moment,
Speaker 19: and it was just I think you know, it was
Speaker 19: just it was relief, it was being thrilled beyond belief,
Speaker 19: and it was just a million emotions that went into
Speaker 19: one and just an electric night downtown at Detroit.
Speaker 12: It was just amazing.
Speaker 6: It's I some of my earliest football memories are like
Speaker 6: driving around with my dad to go do like various
Speaker 6: chores on a Sunday, and like listening to football on
Speaker 6: the radio, and it's it's such a different visceral experience
Speaker 6: than television for obvious reasons, like you've got to paint
Speaker 6: this picture. And it's weird that my memories of listening
Speaker 6: to radio I are still visual in some way just
Speaker 6: by looking out the window at the same time, but like,
Speaker 6: how do you like attack a radio broadcast verse, Like
Speaker 6: when you're so connected to these lines fans and you're
Speaker 6: painting the picture of this historic, incredible game and moment, Like,
Speaker 6: how do you even just go into it and just
Speaker 6: bring that energy. I think it's like instructed to people
Speaker 6: because it's not a job that very many people could
Speaker 6: do well.
Speaker 19: I think there is something magic about RAID. I mean,
Speaker 19: I grew up in Washington, d C. In Maryland and Virginia,
Speaker 19: and I was a Washington fan growing up. And I
Speaker 19: still can in my mind's eye see John Riggins going
Speaker 19: around a left side to win the Super Bowl. And
Speaker 19: although I watch that game on TV, in my mind
Speaker 19: it's Frank Herzog, the radio voice of Washington at the
Speaker 19: time that I always hear his call, even though I
Speaker 19: didn't hear that until later, but I've heard it so
Speaker 19: many times since that that is kind of the.
Speaker 12: Soundtrack of my mind. You know.
Speaker 19: I think I don't operate with a restrictor plate. I
Speaker 19: just kind of go and I just let my emotions go,
Speaker 19: and I am emotionally involved. I make no bones about
Speaker 19: the fact. And I think every person that's doing play
Speaker 19: by play for a team is rooting for that team
Speaker 19: to win. It's a little different than when you're covering
Speaker 19: it as beat writer or something like that. You're fair,
Speaker 19: you say when it's bad, you say when it's good.
Speaker 19: But at the end of the day, you want to
Speaker 19: see that team do well. And I tell people all
Speaker 19: the time, there's nothing better in my job than seeing
Speaker 19: the fans happy. And in that moment, they have not
Speaker 19: been that happy in a long, long time, more than
Speaker 19: thirty years, and I knew what that was going to
Speaker 19: mean to them, and I knew what that was going
Speaker 19: to mean to this team. And I'll tell you flat out,
Speaker 19: in my forty three years in this business, I've never
Speaker 19: wanted to see an athlete win a game more than
Speaker 19: I wanted to see Jared Goff win that game. And
Speaker 19: there was just, I think, just so many things that
Speaker 19: went into that, but just generality, Look, you're trying to
Speaker 19: bring the game to them, and I think if anything
Speaker 19: probably resonates with fans at least what I hope it is,
Speaker 19: it's that I'm as excited about what.
Speaker 12: I'm seeing as they are. I mean, I love it.
Speaker 19: I love the fact that I get to bring it
Speaker 19: to them. But it's real because it comes from a
Speaker 19: real place and it's just you know, that's the expression
Speaker 19: you get and I think you know, that's what I
Speaker 19: hear from them most is you feel our pain and
Speaker 19: you feel when things go well, just the same way
Speaker 19: we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that you mentioned golf because you got that
Speaker 5: angle in there on that call right away within all
Speaker 5: the emotion. That's that's what I'm gonna break down. I
Speaker 5: think it had to be the call of the year,
Speaker 5: you know, other than us showing our integrity that we
Speaker 5: chose you over our bottom, our friend JB. Long because
Speaker 5: it had I.
Speaker 12: Appreciated that so because I was like.
Speaker 18: Like.
Speaker 5: You had you had the emotion obviously, which that that's
Speaker 5: like the most important thing. You knew the moment, but
Speaker 5: you also understood before getting that first down exactly the
Speaker 5: scenario of everything that you need. You needed to get
Speaker 5: that first down, but you immediately followed it up with
Speaker 5: the nuts and bolts of that they're gonna have to
Speaker 5: kneel here, but that they've won the game. And so
Speaker 5: sometimes that's all difficult to keep tracking the moment. You
Speaker 5: got the golf angle in there right away, and then
Speaker 5: after that you got in the historical context of it
Speaker 5: all all in like very quick succession, all sort of
Speaker 5: different things that you have to serve. Are you thinking
Speaker 5: as that's all happening. I know the emotion is just
Speaker 5: coming out. That's the emotional part. But those any sort
Speaker 5: of points that you're getting in that quick call, are
Speaker 5: you thinking about that ahead of time? Are you just
Speaker 5: thinking about I want to get all of this in
Speaker 5: in the moment.
Speaker 19: So I'll kind of take you inside our booth. When
Speaker 19: they went to time out with two minutes to go,
Speaker 19: and my guys t J. Lange, lums Proud are both
Speaker 19: saying throw it, throw it, throw it, so we were
Speaker 19: kind of expecting they were going to throw it. We
Speaker 19: know Dan Campbell and he's a throw it guy. And
Speaker 19: then when we went to that two minute time out,
Speaker 19: I'm looking at my spot, I'm looking at my stack,
Speaker 19: and I'm going, if we get a first down, they
Speaker 19: have one time out, the game's over.
Speaker 12: It's over.
Speaker 19: And I'm doing math and it's actually very simple. I
Speaker 19: just want to make sure that we got it right.
Speaker 19: I mean, even if they called a time out, you
Speaker 19: get the first down, you run first down forty, you
Speaker 19: run second down forty, you run third down.
Speaker 12: Forty that's two minutes right there, so it's going to
Speaker 12: be over.
Speaker 19: So once I got the mechanics of the clock in
Speaker 19: my head and knew that I could sell out if
Speaker 19: they got the first down, then you knew that you
Speaker 19: could just kind of let it go.
Speaker 12: I did throw in the have to take three knees thing.
Speaker 19: Because because I didn't want to say it's over and
Speaker 19: then they mess it up and then I have to
Speaker 19: come back and say, Okay, guys, sorry about that.
Speaker 12: So I wanted to spell out the.
Speaker 19: Fact that yes, they do have to execute that, and
Speaker 19: I did ask Frank Ragnow about that later.
Speaker 12: I said, is that an easy play?
Speaker 3: And he goes?
Speaker 19: Not always he goes the first one you want to
Speaker 19: make sure of and then you relax a little bit.
Speaker 19: But no, I look, the golf angle was so embedded
Speaker 19: in my head all week long, knowing what in my
Speaker 19: mind this meant to him and what this meant to
Speaker 19: this team that I think that just came out. That
Speaker 19: was just natural, And I do honestly believe that that
Speaker 19: was a closure moment for Jared was a you know what,
Speaker 19: this thing is finally behind me now because I've been
Speaker 19: in the front row to watch everything that Jared has
Speaker 19: been through since he's come here and everything he's endured
Speaker 19: and everything that he has handled like an absolute pro.
Speaker 12: And I just think, if you lose that.
Speaker 19: Game, and you lose to that coach, that team, that
Speaker 19: quarterback again and nothing personally against any event, but it's
Speaker 19: just the way that this business works.
Speaker 12: I think, Man, you got to live with that.
Speaker 19: And then when you win, even though yeah, they got
Speaker 19: their super Bowl, but you know what, you knocked them out.
Speaker 12: There's peace in that.
Speaker 19: You move forward into playoffs. You did your job, and
Speaker 19: in my mind that just meant so much. And I
Speaker 19: think that's why that came out in that moment.
Speaker 2: Kind of a follow on this one, and then we'll
Speaker 2: let you go Dan twenty four to seven at halftime,
Speaker 2: you know, like at the Grammys for instance, which just occurred,
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's going, there's no She's probably gonna pick up
Speaker 2: some hardware. So she could act like she doesn't have
Speaker 2: anything pre prepared, but she does. And I'm just thinking,
Speaker 2: as the play by play guy, once you get to
Speaker 2: that point in that game in the NFC title game,
Speaker 2: which of course ended up not working out for Detroit,
Speaker 2: but knowing that once you get to the end of
Speaker 2: that game that becomes potentially one of the most famous
Speaker 2: play calls in the history of Detroit Detroit sports. Did
Speaker 2: you have something kind of in mind to weave in
Speaker 2: if it got to that point and they did close
Speaker 2: that game out.
Speaker 19: Yes, And I've had it and I've done it many
Speaker 19: many times driving down the road.
Speaker 12: Yeah. No, I absolutely had it, and I've still got
Speaker 12: it to my back pocket.
Speaker 3: I hope to use it.
Speaker 12: I hope to use it next year. But yeah, that
Speaker 12: was that's as high as you.
Speaker 19: Know, you get winning two playoff games. There's the gut
Speaker 19: punch of being that close to a super Bowl and
Speaker 19: not getting there. And you know, Brad Holmes at his
Speaker 19: press conference today and talked about expecting to be there
Speaker 19: again next year.
Speaker 12: So the answer is yes.
Speaker 19: And those moments are are hard sometimes to prepare for
Speaker 19: because you never know how it's going to happen. Is
Speaker 19: it going to be a thirty one to seven game
Speaker 19: and it's kind of anti climactic, or is it going
Speaker 19: to be an interception that ices it or a touchdown
Speaker 19: that happens.
Speaker 12: But I think I did have something.
Speaker 19: Of a historical perspective of what it would mean to Detroit,
Speaker 19: because I think we know what that would mean would
Speaker 19: be incredible, because it's something that everybody there is dreamed
Speaker 19: about for a long time and has never happened.
Speaker 12: So I think that's ultimately what you want to capture.
Speaker 5: Well, this makes up for it, though, right like you
Speaker 5: finishing number one on Radio College.
Speaker 12: I appreciate that. No, I appreciate that.
Speaker 19: That's uh, listen, we're just checking boxes in Detroit this year.
Speaker 19: So won a division, won a whole playoff game, won
Speaker 19: another playoff game, I won this.
Speaker 12: So just just one by one, we're just checking box
Speaker 12: this year.
Speaker 7: And Dan, it doesn't feel like it's so ol anymore.
Speaker 7: Like it feels like things have really changed and turned around.
Speaker 7: I was lucky enough to be in Detroit for the
Speaker 7: game against the Bucks. I learned all about Better Made
Speaker 7: and FAGO and so like, I didn't know what Same
Speaker 7: Old Lions was until I got there, and I feel
Speaker 7: like I got there after the fact, which is a
Speaker 7: good thing.
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think I think you have to retire that.
Speaker 19: I mean, that's that's been around for a long time,
Speaker 19: and you know what, they did figure out ways to
Speaker 19: lose things and do things that just kind of defied
Speaker 19: logic and you just never thought could happen, and you
Speaker 19: would just kind of throw up and say, same old Liones.
Speaker 19: But look, if they truly were, there's so many times
Speaker 19: this season where they would have found a way to
Speaker 19: lose a game, be it laid against Minnesota when you're
Speaker 19: trying to clinch the division, or even that Rams game
Speaker 19: with Matthew Stafford driving down the field.
Speaker 12: You know, you don't get the play that makes.
Speaker 19: It fourth and fourteen, and you know Aiden Hutchinson doesn't
Speaker 19: draw the holding penalty. You know, so many things have
Speaker 19: happened where the old Lions would have figured out a
Speaker 19: way to lose the game. So I think, you know,
Speaker 19: in fairness to these guys who have changed the conversation
Speaker 19: and done so many things that haven't happened before that,
Speaker 19: I think you have to say, you know, let's put
Speaker 19: those three letters away. Let's let these guys say that
Speaker 19: they changed it.
Speaker 4: What's your dog's name?
Speaker 12: Even my dog.
Speaker 3: Agrees, dogs like I want to hear the speech that
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, buddy, You're the best, and we
Speaker 3: can't wait to hear you again.
Speaker 12: Thanks Dan, thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you very much, guys.
Speaker 3: That's fun. All right, there, he goes, I.
Speaker 7: Still want to know what his dog's name is. We're
Speaker 7: gonna have to take that offline.
Speaker 3: Take it off line. That's a follow up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, classic CONDI follow up interviewing a class announcers.
Speaker 3: I think we should do it more often.
Speaker 2: I think there's anybody who listens to the show knows
Speaker 2: we have a level of fascination with the craft. And
Speaker 2: I don't know too many other podcasts in general that
Speaker 2: I've ever really focused in on that side of the game,
Speaker 2: which really connects with the fans in such a more
Speaker 2: direct level than the national calls. Not that there aren't
Speaker 2: great calls by all these guys that do the national games,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 4: Those local Wolflly. You have to get Wolflly on.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 5: I think we did.
Speaker 3: No, I don't do it again. I'm a little bit familiar.
Speaker 3: Did it not go well? I think it would go well?
Speaker 3: Is he on the hit it and quit it list?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 3: No, gone? Well. I think it was the season when
Speaker 3: he did the like the dusty the flower, the sunlit moves.
Speaker 5: I think we thought we did.
Speaker 6: But you know what, I think it's funny because we
Speaker 6: don't remember who's been on the show. But then someone
Speaker 6: will remind us.
Speaker 3: And then, by the way, huge.
Speaker 7: His dog's name is Murphy. For anyone that's wondering, just
Speaker 7: connect with that. I just like, yeah, my energy kind
Speaker 7: of locked in.
Speaker 3: If that's right.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Madison there. All right, Connie, you've said
Speaker 2: it all, and here's the good news for everyone. Connie's
Speaker 2: got to get to a meeting. She's part of the
Speaker 2: Opening night festivities. Yep uh for NFL Networks.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow's my sixteen flight.
Speaker 5: Well, you're flying a Vegas tonight, right, yeah, oh, so
Speaker 5: you're doing Opening Night from Vegas.
Speaker 7: No, I'm doing Opening Night here from LA and then
Speaker 7: flying to Vegas for some reason.
Speaker 3: But be careful with the light. I will. Don't. We
Speaker 3: worry about you. But I have fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, I'm not going to pass out.
Speaker 2: And here's the good news for all that before him.
Speaker 2: The day after that flight, although we learned that women
Speaker 2: are better than or better than men, better than men generally, yeah,
Speaker 2: and we keep learning. We're continually learning that.
Speaker 7: But certainly when it comes to theologically the g's, yes,
Speaker 7: they are better built to handle the g's for some reason, except.
Speaker 3: For the slang term Greg.
Speaker 5: Sixty. Yes on this, you don't need to explain to me.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised. I'm surprised you said g force me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you should have just said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, g Force should be your nickname?
Speaker 7: Ye?
Speaker 5: Any nicknames?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What do you think?
Speaker 5: I got too many names?
Speaker 3: But Colleen after he should like his own nickname.
Speaker 2: After Opening Night, after Geez Wednesday at Radio Row.
Speaker 3: You'll be with us, so we could talk. We could
Speaker 3: talk about everything that happened.
Speaker 4: I can't believe we're all going to be in Vegas.
Speaker 3: Oh father, it's gonna be great, right, so excited.
Speaker 2: All right, Connie, we're gonna say by Connie, we're gonna
Speaker 2: take a break and then we're gonna do some news
Speaker 2: and then talk about our talk with Brian Baldinger about
Speaker 2: you know, this super Bowl game.
Speaker 3: Love it. We'll be right back. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: What a show so far, our last show here in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Before we jump on the bird. We don't
Speaker 2: get Geez up there, but we were pretty quick on
Speaker 2: that plane. A quick little jump over to Vegas, about
Speaker 2: a forty five minute flight. No one's complaining, and then
Speaker 2: we are touching down and then we are going straight
Speaker 2: from mccaren Airport two Radio Row, where we will meet
Speaker 2: with Colleen and do the first of four shows from
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, culminating, of course with the Super Bowl fifty
Speaker 2: eight recap Flagship show.
Speaker 5: That's the show. We have a special big time guest.
Speaker 5: Mark will be very excit for Wednesday.
Speaker 3: I mean, Mark knows who the guest is, but you're
Speaker 3: right Ill.
Speaker 5: The listeners don't. And maybe that this person will cancel
Speaker 5: and we don't want to put them in a bed.
Speaker 3: But or maybe they was good. It's a good showman,
Speaker 3: don't over promise. Could be anyone.
Speaker 5: I'm just happy we're not there now. It's I'm showing
Speaker 5: my age. But I am loving that we get there
Speaker 5: Wednesday versus I saw everyone there yesterday afternoon at radio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: I remember being on a boat in New York Harbor
Speaker 2: or something for the Peyton Manning press conference on a
Speaker 2: Saturday the week before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: You were sent there because Wes was a day late
Speaker 6: because of some sort of flight issues and showed up
Speaker 6: in New York with no coat, and he and I
Speaker 6: were down in like hack and Sack, New Jersey, while
Speaker 6: the two of you were up in.
Speaker 3: About me I believe you were in Hoboken. Well, no,
Speaker 3: it was actually Jersey City, and we ran in.
Speaker 5: The process of him trying to get winter code expens.
Speaker 5: That was like the subject of way too many conversations.
Speaker 3: He because he yeah, did was the luggage lost?
Speaker 12: Is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: His entire fleet of luggage was completely lost. And he
Speaker 6: showed up to Jersey City and it was that Super
Speaker 6: Bowl was lucky because the temperature and you know, it
Speaker 6: started snowing after the game, but it was fine. But
Speaker 6: the days leading up where he and I went to
Speaker 6: a like a Chili's three nights in a row down
Speaker 6: in this like Russian landscape was freezing, absolute dead winter,
Speaker 6: and he had no coat and you guys were up
Speaker 6: in Manhattan, you know, having like you know, bubbly with
Speaker 6: unbelievable I don't know how that how that came to
Speaker 6: be caviare every night for Greg and I on top
Speaker 6: of the Chrysler Building.
Speaker 2: Not quite, but yes, because what happened was I get
Speaker 2: a little more shading on that one. The year before,
Speaker 2: weirdly was the Niners Raven Super Bowl and we were
Speaker 2: in the top rafters of the Superdome and it was
Speaker 2: so cold up there. The air conditioning. This is before
Speaker 2: the power outage. Maybe this caused the power outage was
Speaker 2: so freezingly cold, like shooting down and everyone worked in
Speaker 2: NFL media that they actually greenlit people going to the
Speaker 2: concession stands to get jackets and hoodies to wear for
Speaker 2: the game. I didn't do on myself, but a lot
Speaker 2: of people did so. I think Wes in the back
Speaker 2: of his mind said, oh, we were able to do that.
Speaker 2: Last year he did the same thing and bought like
Speaker 2: a one hundred and seventy five dollars Super Bowl winner jacket,
Speaker 2: And then the expense report came back with a big
Speaker 2: old he gall They reacted sharply to that. And Greg,
Speaker 2: as his boss at the time, did you get him
Speaker 2: the money?
Speaker 5: I don't remember. I remember, actually, I believe a promise
Speaker 5: was made to him that it would be okay from
Speaker 5: my boss at the time. I'm not going to throw
Speaker 5: him under the bus, friend of ours. But and then
Speaker 5: I think it got He was kind of talking out
Speaker 5: of his butt like he often did.
Speaker 3: Oh that could be so many people.
Speaker 2: All right, let's we have Baldy coming up to break
Speaker 2: down some interesting uh plotlines heading into Niners Chiefs on Sunday.
Speaker 3: But first, let's get caught up on some news. Tick
Speaker 3: tack toe.
Speaker 20: Right and has a chance to win.
Speaker 3: Here the crowd goes wild. Congratulations with Justin Tucker. That
Speaker 3: was awesome.
Speaker 14: Man.
Speaker 2: Listen, you know I love kickers and I love me
Speaker 2: Brandon Aubrey. I mean, what a what a season he had.
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker's maybe my favorite player who's ever lived in
Speaker 2: our league.
Speaker 3: I just some notes for that.
Speaker 2: If we're gonna have a kicker tic tac toe, let's
Speaker 2: get let's get some bodies in there. Let's get some
Speaker 2: crowd in there. Let's get some audience there was.
Speaker 5: It's weird because the rest of the stuff they did
Speaker 5: indoors and then certainly on Sunday with the games and
Speaker 5: then the extra stuff where they had amazingly sixty thousand
Speaker 5: people there, like had an audience. I don't know why
Speaker 5: the kicker think.
Speaker 2: That's funnel some of that sixty k into the field
Speaker 2: house for the kicker game, or go judge judy it
Speaker 2: and pay some people to be there, and then let's
Speaker 2: put some music underneath it. If we're looking to change
Speaker 2: how the kicking game is viewed. M I mean, that
Speaker 2: was a little we could do better, that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm free reach out to me and I'm happy
Speaker 3: to help.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's continued, you know, enthusiastic disrespect for a position
Speaker 6: that I think could have had a lot of people cheering.
Speaker 5: Or that also, they don't even they literally don't allow
Speaker 5: kicking in the flag football game, which is our disrespect,
Speaker 5: though the kickers have no rule.
Speaker 2: By the way, when I was doing the speaking, we
Speaker 2: were talking about the West thing, the Brian Hoyer wager
Speaker 2: with Johnny Manziel, Just to refresh my memory of that
Speaker 2: moment in time, because obviously, and if we talked about
Speaker 2: that Johnny Manzel documentary recently, that was really obviously illuminating
Speaker 2: and how messed up he was behind the scenes. It
Speaker 2: came down to a exhibition game against Washington. Mike Petten
Speaker 2: was trying to figure out who am I going to
Speaker 2: go with and he wanted somebody to win the battle.
Speaker 2: And obviously Manziel was a wreck, but Hoyer was playing terribly.
Speaker 2: He'd missed most of the previous season, and they both
Speaker 2: played really poorly in that game. But what gave Hoyer
Speaker 2: the edge was, in addition to Manzel struggling, he gave
Speaker 2: the finger to the Redskins sideline during the game, which
Speaker 2: is outrageous.
Speaker 20: Like that.
Speaker 6: He did, and like that it's it was a moment
Speaker 6: in Brown's history where their preseason games were like watched
Speaker 6: by way more people than you'd ever imagine. But I
Speaker 6: will say one thing about Wes that around week seven
Speaker 6: or eight, because I think they started that season around
Speaker 6: six and three or seven and three before they lost
Speaker 6: all the rest of their games. But Hoyer under Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 6: who was the one year offensive coordinator, was because of
Speaker 6: play action and the way that Shanahan like does what
Speaker 6: he does with quarterbacks, was having this pretty great season.
Speaker 6: And what this was back when we could kind of
Speaker 6: write whatever we wanted as articles, It was just like,
Speaker 6: if you're fascinated by this, go write an article like
Speaker 6: Wes wrote this Brian Hoyer Kyle Shanahan article that I
Speaker 6: think predates a lot of other people's Shanahan analysis in general.
Speaker 6: And despite the fact that he was losing, he lost
Speaker 6: that sandwich bet he turned around and made this incredible
Speaker 6: written piece about it.
Speaker 3: And that was kind of Wes in a nutshell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said and Manzel then also said in that documentary,
Speaker 2: like the one place I couldn't go was Cleveland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a young Kyle Shanahan there, if you just would
Speaker 3: add your head on straight. But he did not. All right.
Speaker 3: I think Shanahan left because of Manze.
Speaker 6: Well, there were yeah, there were a lot of issues
Speaker 6: with ownership. He'd asked to leave his contract.
Speaker 5: All right, here's the news because the ownership made them
Speaker 5: play Manziel.
Speaker 6: Yes, and then am got suspended for using you know
Speaker 6: the cell Hawkins that you know when Mike Petton called
Speaker 6: him to tell him about that. He thought Mike Petton
Speaker 6: was joking as like a veteran leaver leader, like, hey,
Speaker 6: how do you think everyone will handle this? And he
Speaker 6: literally laughed, thought he was being sarcastic.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the Washington commanders.
Speaker 2: We are all absolutely thrilled about the dan Quinn hiring now,
Speaker 2: and they have also filled their offensive coordinator position hiring
Speaker 2: Cardinals coach Cliff former excuse me, Cardinals coach Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 2: The team announced that on Monday, Kingsbury, some palace intrigue here,
Speaker 2: had been very close to joining the Raiders as their
Speaker 2: OC until contract talks broke down on Saturday. Washington talked
Speaker 2: to Kingsbury that day the deal completed the day after that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Greg, I don't know how this works.
Speaker 2: And I saw some percolations on Twitter around something you
Speaker 2: sent out that Cliff Kingsbury could be so hot in
Speaker 2: demand after you know, quite frankly disastrous tenure, certainly the
Speaker 2: end of it with Arizona, and yet here we are two.
Speaker 3: Teams fighting over kings very only one gets them and
Speaker 3: it's the Commanders.
Speaker 5: It's crazy to me because, like, what about their run offensively?
Speaker 5: Did anyone like like they underachieved in terms of what
Speaker 5: he had, And it just sounds like he was gonna
Speaker 5: sign with the Raiders, and then the Washington became interested,
Speaker 5: and since he hadn't signed on the dotted line yet,
Speaker 5: they said contract negotiations broke broke down, and he just
Speaker 5: decided this was a better spot for him. And I'm
Speaker 5: rooting for Dan Quinn. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 5: if I'm excited for Cliff Kingsbury to have the number
Speaker 5: two overall draft pick.
Speaker 6: And he's you know, obviously with USC ties a year ago,
Speaker 6: he's tied to Killer Williams, and you wonder if Chicago
Speaker 6: goes in a different direction like that could be his quarterback.
Speaker 5: They could trade trade their assets up just to go one.
Speaker 3: To two short. They could trade up.
Speaker 6: I guess i'm I'm I'm with you in the sense
Speaker 6: that like I never I came out of that Cliff
Speaker 6: Kingsbury experience because I went into it like this could
Speaker 6: be one of these sort of fascinating turning points in
Speaker 6: the NFL and was kind of marked by chaos and
Speaker 6: like increasing disorganization and upset players by the very static offense.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, uncreative, just the same thing over and over,
Speaker 5: and Yeah, the thing you were referring to that I
Speaker 5: mentioned was like, I still think some coaches really play
Speaker 5: the media game hard and the agents obviously do too,
Speaker 5: so it's like a combination. And I do actually one
Speaker 5: of the things covering the league for twenty years, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't have thought that it mattered so much, and now
Speaker 5: you realize, like it only matters so much. You have
Speaker 5: to have some goods, but it can matter. And some
Speaker 5: coaches I think, really have a way of befriending a
Speaker 5: ton of media. And it's usually not just one or
Speaker 5: two guys in women, it's everyone. It's like they're friends
Speaker 5: with everyone, and the agent is too, and they get
Speaker 5: a lot of good press because of it. I thought
Speaker 5: Jeff Fisher was like the old king of it, like
Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury is one of the new kings of it.
Speaker 5: And I think that helped him get a job and
Speaker 5: helped him be like a hot commodity. The opposite is
Speaker 5: whatever happened with Ben Johnson, who turned down this Washington
Speaker 5: job apparently, and now Washington and some of the same
Speaker 5: people are pumping up Cliff are giving this smear campaign
Speaker 5: against Ben Johnson because he turned them down.
Speaker 2: So this is an ESPN report that Johnson had issues
Speaker 2: with Commander's ownership after interviewing to be their new head
Speaker 2: coach in the wake of Ronriver's firing. Johnson, according to
Speaker 2: this report, considered the ownership group led by owner Josh Harris,
Speaker 2: seventy six ers owner also as well as Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer Magic Johnson, one of the great basketball players of
Speaker 2: all time. He saw them as quote, basketball guys, and
Speaker 2: that's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not gonna work. Football is completely different
Speaker 3: than basketball.
Speaker 2: And he believed that they were, according to this report,
Speaker 2: overly confident about their football knowledge. The report then also
Speaker 2: throughout there that Johnson fared poorly in his interview.
Speaker 3: So back and forth they go.
Speaker 5: Well, it's but here's the thing Washington started and then
Speaker 5: I don't love you started it that Ben Johnson's agent
Speaker 5: very likely is the one that comes back with this
Speaker 5: basketball guy stuff. But they started it immediately saying like
Speaker 5: he didn't interview. Well, now there's this report in the
Speaker 5: Athletic that he he seems not really like a leader,
Speaker 5: that he's more just a guy in a lab, you know,
Speaker 5: cooking up schemes and doesn't deal with But you were
Speaker 5: going to hire him, and no one was denying that.
Speaker 5: They were literally on the plane to hire him. First
Speaker 5: of all, that's completely disrespectful to Aaron Glenn, who they
Speaker 5: were also going to interview. It makes it obvious that
Speaker 5: that was a sham interview that they were just doing
Speaker 5: to check a Rooney real box. So you're saying like, oh,
Speaker 5: how is this going to make you?
Speaker 12: Know?
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson? Look around? Like, how does it make how
Speaker 5: does it make you look?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 5: I don't know. This stuff drives me crazy.
Speaker 3: There it does.
Speaker 6: I think you're if you're a Commander's fan, like you
Speaker 6: just exited a completely darkest Night's great with Dan happened?
Speaker 3: Okay, leadership.
Speaker 5: I remember what I was trying to think of was
Speaker 5: part of that athletic report was they were going to
Speaker 5: hire Mike McDonald too. They wanted to hire Mike McDonald
Speaker 5: and McDonald make Quinn the fourth the third choice, and
Speaker 5: McDonald chose the Seahawks over him because, according to Washington,
Speaker 5: and I don't necessarily believe this, but that Seattle outspent him.
Speaker 5: My guess is the money was good in both places,
Speaker 5: and McDonald picked the place that just seemed like the better.
Speaker 6: It's like, I guess if you're Ben Johnson, like I
Speaker 6: why Burn Bridges, Like I know that Wash, I know
Speaker 6: that the Washington Organization started a lot of this, but
Speaker 6: it's like Ben Johnson's camp has responded a couple different times,
Speaker 6: like you're back in the coaching search mix a year
Speaker 6: from now, and it's like, all we we now think
Speaker 6: different things about you than we did well.
Speaker 5: I think well when he kept turning people down to
Speaker 5: and he still got.
Speaker 6: If you said that, yeah, but chip Kelly also became well.
Speaker 6: Chip Kelly was a pretty difficult person to work with
Speaker 6: by the end.
Speaker 2: Too sure, and was the commanders who leaked at first
Speaker 2: that he interviewed poorly.
Speaker 5: He's it really started that way.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you can kind of understand that if Johnson's
Speaker 2: camp wants to say, wait a second, I it's just it's.
Speaker 6: All soiled now. We're like, like literally a fortnight ago,
Speaker 6: Ben Johnson was like the bell.
Speaker 3: Of the ball.
Speaker 5: I just think though the idea though that oh he
Speaker 5: turned us down while we were in the plane. That's
Speaker 5: not how you do things. I think it's just like
Speaker 5: these billionaires not liking getting looking bad and getting turned
Speaker 5: down and having like a commoner like say no, we're
Speaker 5: actually you're not good.
Speaker 3: What if common what.
Speaker 5: If how they look at the coach mark?
Speaker 2: What if Stu Gotts came out and said I don't
Speaker 2: think Sessler had a good show today. Would you come
Speaker 2: out publicly and return fire or would you let that
Speaker 2: sit untouched? I think my history is unmolested. My history
Speaker 2: suggests what I've what I've done with.
Speaker 6: You know Stu Gotts's initial slash at my identity, which
Speaker 6: was kind of play ball with it in a playful way.
Speaker 6: Not I didn't reach out to him personally. It's like
Speaker 6: he doesn't really know anything about me. But if he
Speaker 6: if he if he dug in, if he dug in, like,
Speaker 6: you know, as a trenchant listener and thought I had
Speaker 6: a bad show, I'd have to think about that a
Speaker 6: little differently, right, But then I'll go, I'll go listen
Speaker 6: to his show and I'll you know, I'll see what
Speaker 6: I think. I'm not trying to start a feud there.
Speaker 6: I'm sure is a capable, nice person. Why don't make
Speaker 6: don't ask me this question? Is then I just go
Speaker 6: down that road.
Speaker 3: That's not helping. I mean, how about that guy? Who
Speaker 3: is that guy? You set the table for personal chaos
Speaker 3: and I don't need it. The whole key is just
Speaker 3: to just keep your mouth shut and let the talking continue,
Speaker 3: all right, to know, all right? In other news and
Speaker 3: other news.
Speaker 2: News news, let's get on the coaching carousel. That was
Speaker 2: merely illuminating. Like the idea that if somebody comes after you.
Speaker 6: I know, but you know, anybody, I'll just walk right
Speaker 6: into the lions den on the on those situation.
Speaker 2: That's that's all Ben did. Ben was like, whoa, you're
Speaker 2: making me look bad. I'm still going to get a
Speaker 2: job down the line, Like, yeah, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3: Stand for this. We have agents.
Speaker 2: You could leak something, Oh you should leak something I
Speaker 2: will try that. That's perfect because then you don't have
Speaker 2: to be out front.
Speaker 3: But I will. I'll just do it on the on
Speaker 3: the slide before we get to Veggas, let's get involved
Speaker 3: with some mediationun at it?
Speaker 2: Okay, that would be fun. Like right here, there's this
Speaker 2: article I was about to click on, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: Greg that connects with you. I would feel like in
Speaker 2: a personal way headline Mike Florio rips Adam Schefter's irresponsible
Speaker 2: reporting as he reveals broken friendship.
Speaker 5: WHOA like, let's get I got a bit. I'd click.
Speaker 2: I know I'm going to, but Rose thought O leak
Speaker 2: a couple of things, Grosan. I mean, I thought, great,
Speaker 2: can like an old buick. Let's start a fire, all right?
Speaker 2: In other news, Yeah, let's spin the carousel.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Uh, Saints hire Clint Kubiak as OC Raiders hire Luke
Speaker 2: Getzi as their OC after Cliff says I gon Liam Cohen,
Speaker 2: he's the bucks OC.
Speaker 3: The Patriots hire Alex van pilt as OC.
Speaker 2: Steve Belichick, one time thought to be a potential heir
Speaker 2: to the throne in New England, he gown he goes
Speaker 2: to Washington to be their DC, So he's going off
Speaker 2: on his own now the Dolphins Hire Ravens assistant Anthony
Speaker 2: Weaver is there DC. The Seahawks. There's a guy that's
Speaker 2: bounced around. In fact, he was in our building this
Speaker 2: past season, Leslie Frasier. I never saw him once, by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: I did, you know what's funny, He's gone down in
Speaker 3: the locker room.
Speaker 6: I saw him having a very hushed conversation with one
Speaker 6: member of our media team, and I was thinking, like,
Speaker 6: something's going on there, and then bang, this happening.
Speaker 2: He is now the assistant head coach of the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: So that's cool, and there you go. Anything on those appointments, fellas.
Speaker 6: I would say one thing I know, like Liam Cohen
Speaker 6: has been a kind of hot and cold guy. He
Speaker 6: was with Kentucky, but like he was Baker Mayfield's offensive
Speaker 6: coordinator when Mayfield was with the Rams and executed the
Speaker 6: Raiders after that like two day stay with the Rams,
Speaker 6: and so I wonder if that helps or hurts or
Speaker 6: what like he knows Baker.
Speaker 5: May I think it helped. But he is one of
Speaker 5: the only guys that's kind of come into working with
Speaker 5: McVeigh and then McVeigh count Let's go very quick getsy
Speaker 5: felt like a little bit of a backup choice. He
Speaker 5: loved Justin Fields, so you do wonder like, is there
Speaker 5: a connection there that the Raiders might go get justin Fields?
Speaker 5: And then Alex van Pelt just feels like the Patriots
Speaker 5: are just kind of getting scraps scraps here. Eric enemy
Speaker 5: doesn't have a job either right now. Like that, that
Speaker 5: would have been a totally different direction for, for instance,
Speaker 5: the Patriots to go or even the Saints Clint Kobiak
Speaker 5: just because the last name he assume is going to
Speaker 5: be good, but you don't really.
Speaker 2: Know God point about the enemy, it's that's there is.
Speaker 2: I admire him his decision he made because he wanted
Speaker 2: to try to ascend and eventually get a head coaching job,
Speaker 2: so he left the nest in Kansas City, which was
Speaker 2: a nice nest to be in. But now we can backfires.
Speaker 2: You end up on a coaching staff where it doesn't
Speaker 2: work out, and now he's floats.
Speaker 5: You can always go back, though, And it's crazy to
Speaker 5: think Mike McDonald gets hired as a head coach right
Speaker 5: three of his assistants are now defensive core. That's outrageous
Speaker 5: for one offseason. Weaver is in Miami, right, Dinnard Wilson
Speaker 5: is in Tennessee, and then Connor Orr's buddy Zach is
Speaker 5: taking over.
Speaker 2: And also a reminder that the NFL is painfully unoriginal.
Speaker 2: Everyone just copies each other. And this year it's like
Speaker 2: we want the Ravens defense all right, quickly developing tree. Finally,
Speaker 2: in the news, it is time Greg to say so
Speaker 2: so long to really one of your old all time favorites.
Speaker 2: Before Gino Smith, it was Teddy Bridgewater, who is your guy?
Speaker 2: And he is announced, after a final year of holding
Speaker 2: a clipboard in Detroit, that he is retiring from professional football.
Speaker 2: He's going into coaching at the high school level. So
Speaker 2: never again, Greg, can you tell us that Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 2: would be a great sign for a team looking for
Speaker 2: a quarterback?
Speaker 3: Well, never again.
Speaker 5: Way to pitch it as you, No.
Speaker 3: We can take him out of a high school coaching game.
Speaker 5: I will miss what a career he's had. Sean Payton
Speaker 5: said to Peter King in Monday Morning Quarterback this year
Speaker 5: that he was an all time leader and that those
Speaker 5: kids were lucky that he was like Ferris Bueller. He
Speaker 5: compared it to didn't matter where he goes, everyone follows
Speaker 5: Teddy Bridgewater one of the best leaders he's ever been around.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 3: Well, you never heard Mark or I ever disputing his character,
Speaker 3: not at all.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: That's that's for damn sure. What he came back from.
Speaker 2: And in general, old career, a good guy, olid career.
Speaker 6: Solid is as far as you can go win. In
Speaker 6: terms of the career though, like to be fair, Greg right, he's.
Speaker 5: I would say a good career. I mean better than
Speaker 5: the average first round out. Yeah, better than the first
Speaker 5: round draft average first round draft pick. Considering the injury,
Speaker 5: that's pretty good.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: That's a certain bar cut you butter knife that one
Speaker 2: a little bit. But yes, and it's a shame what
Speaker 2: in the injury and how that impacted the trajectory of
Speaker 2: his career.
Speaker 3: I still remember doing that show.
Speaker 2: It was at the end of the summer and it
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, all right, here we go,
Speaker 2: let's welcome in as we now, it's official. Now we're
Speaker 2: going to turn our attention to the big game at
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty eight coming up. Who do you want
Speaker 2: to talk to when you want to get into the
Speaker 2: x's and o's and what makes these teams tick Well.
Speaker 2: Of course you pick up the phone and you ask
Speaker 2: for Brian Baldinger, and Baldy was there for us. Here
Speaker 2: was a conversation that we had.
Speaker 3: Welcome back. Our next guest is Listen.
Speaker 2: He's in the Hall of Fame for guests for around
Speaker 2: the NFL, one of our very favorites. Noan tape dogs
Speaker 2: quite like Brian Baldinger. And now we welcome back to
Speaker 2: atn Baldy.
Speaker 3: What's up, bud.
Speaker 20: Well, nice to join you guys. Thanks for the invitation.
Speaker 13: You know, we're at the finish line. You know, we're
Speaker 13: counting down days here, you know, like ten days left
Speaker 13: until this thing's gonna come to a close. Everybody I know,
Speaker 13: most of people I know, I should say, are like
Speaker 13: they're sad that there's just one game left and there's
Speaker 13: not gonna be anything after a Super Bowl Sunday for
Speaker 13: a while.
Speaker 20: So you know, let's soak it all up right now.
Speaker 3: Is are there weird parallels?
Speaker 2: Because once you hit off season, Baldy, and you're doing
Speaker 2: your tropical vacations and you got the women everywhere around you.
Speaker 2: In some ways there's a parallel here, but instead of
Speaker 2: women all around you, you're doing podcasts, with doe pale
Speaker 2: whites such as ourselves.
Speaker 20: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 13: So whoever wants to, you know, invite me in and
Speaker 13: talk about this great American game of ours. Like I
Speaker 13: try to make the time. I never really get tired
Speaker 13: of doing it because it's just so interesting on so
Speaker 13: many different levels. But yes, when it's over, like I
Speaker 13: always say, like the bet, the only thing better than
Speaker 13: working is not working, you know, if I'm diving with
Speaker 13: reef sharks in Belize two weeks from today, like I'm
Speaker 13: not gonna I'm not going to miss any of this,
Speaker 13: you know, but while I'm here, I'm gonna give it
Speaker 13: everything I got.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into the game.
Speaker 2: Then the game, because I know, and Baldy you heard
Speaker 2: it and maybe you felt the same way too. The
Speaker 2: way Championship Sunday set up, there was this idea that
Speaker 2: Super Bowl Sunday could be really unique, and then instead
Speaker 2: what we get as Chiefs Niners, which from one point
Speaker 2: of view is a little redundant. From another, I mean,
Speaker 2: doesn't this feel like we're set up for You can
Speaker 2: never guarantee classics or games that are going to go
Speaker 2: down to the wire, but you look at these teams,
Speaker 2: you see them as pretty even.
Speaker 20: Yep, I do. I see them pretty even.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 13: I mean, you can pitch a case for both teams.
Speaker 13: It's at this stage of this dynasty that the Chiefs
Speaker 13: are in the middle of kind of hard to root
Speaker 13: against or just think that anybody has a chance against
Speaker 13: Mahomes and Andy Reid and Spags and Travis Kelsey. It
Speaker 13: just seems hard that anybody's gonna beat him. But if
Speaker 13: there's one team that is set up that can do it,
Speaker 13: that has the coaching, the personnel, the talent, like it's
Speaker 13: San Francisco and so I feel like we got a
Speaker 13: good matchup. But I think any one of the four
Speaker 13: we could literally without even thinking, draw up twenty storylines
Speaker 13: and we could just like feed off of those storylines
Speaker 13: that would just be there. Obviously, if Detroit was here
Speaker 13: and said, you know, we'd have a field day just
Speaker 13: you know, see him another shot at Barry Sanders, you know,
Speaker 13: on the sideline, just doing anything, just being Barry Sanders
Speaker 13: is fun.
Speaker 20: But but this is what we got. So I think
Speaker 20: it's it's fascinating and it's repeating.
Speaker 13: You know, can this uh this kid at quarterback named
Speaker 13: Brock Purdy that nobody seems to really want to respect
Speaker 13: at this stage.
Speaker 20: Can he rise up and slay you know?
Speaker 13: Can he slay mahomes here? And like all those things
Speaker 13: are out there, it's gonna be fantast Baldy.
Speaker 6: You you have called this week rock party, you titled
Speaker 6: and I love this the Silent Assassin and I there
Speaker 6: is this discourse and it's been going on all year
Speaker 6: and last year. It's like it's too good to be
Speaker 6: true because of his draft stock, where he came from.
Speaker 6: It's simply he's supported by the team around him. But
Speaker 6: it's clear that you see something else. So for the
Speaker 6: people out there that believe in brock Purty, what is
Speaker 6: it you see? Why is he the silent Assassin?
Speaker 13: Because first of all, he plays the game with no fear.
Speaker 13: And you can put up any bad play that he's had.
Speaker 13: We've seen a few of them, especially down stretch. It
Speaker 13: never affects him in the next series, like he can
Speaker 13: flush it the way you have to, and he doesn't.
Speaker 13: He doesn't need a psychiatry a sideline to get him
Speaker 13: out of any kind of a fure. He doesn't go
Speaker 13: into a funk like you know, and and that he
Speaker 13: can make every single throw. You can say, like they
Speaker 13: love to attack the middle of the field. That's what
Speaker 13: Shanahan does. That's what Mike March did with Kurt Warner.
Speaker 13: They attacked the middle of the middle of the field
Speaker 13: is dangerous. Balls get tipped, balls get intercepted. You have
Speaker 13: to layer throws in the middle of the field. You
Speaker 13: have to layer them over linebackers and dropping defensive linemen
Speaker 13: sometimes all that stuff. And yet he makes those throws routine.
Speaker 13: He made a throw to Deebo Samuel. We all saw
Speaker 13: it at the start of the third quarter, and like
Speaker 13: he just hit his fifth step and let it rip
Speaker 13: like the way you have to throw it with no fear,
Speaker 13: right in the middle of a four man zone. Detroit's
Speaker 13: sitting there, and he hit Deebo like it was t ball.
Speaker 13: You know, he just like he just took it right
Speaker 13: off the tee and just kept going. And you know
Speaker 13: that sort of ability to do that, I mean, I
Speaker 13: didn't think Jimmy Garoppolo could do that on with regularity
Speaker 13: the way this kid does.
Speaker 20: And so I just think whatever they ask him to do,
Speaker 20: he can do.
Speaker 13: And he's got to scramble for fifty two yards and
Speaker 13: three runs in the second half, or whether he's got
Speaker 13: to you know, roll out of the pocket and avoid pressure.
Speaker 13: He does that, and whether he's got to understand the
Speaker 13: situation where just get rid of the ball is better
Speaker 13: and to go to the next down.
Speaker 1: He does that.
Speaker 13: And then you know, somebody has to feed all of
Speaker 13: these talented players that the forty nine ers have, and
Speaker 13: he feeds them all. They're all having good seasons. None
Speaker 13: of them are not eating it and not feeding off
Speaker 13: of this, and so it starts with him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do want to get to the forty nine
Speaker 5: Ers defense, which to me is so different than the
Speaker 5: last time these teams played in the Super Bowl. While
Speaker 5: we're on Brocket just thinking of this matchup with Spagnolo
Speaker 5: and the Chiefs defense, just how do you think Purdy
Speaker 5: and Shanahan will react to all the different looks that
Speaker 5: Spagnolo throws at him because Lamar Jackson obviously didn't handle
Speaker 5: that very well. And one thing we've seen with this
Speaker 5: Chiefs defense, also different than the four or five years ago,
Speaker 5: is man, they can change a lot throughout a game,
Speaker 5: throughout a week to week, throughout a series. They just
Speaker 5: never show you the same thing twice. How do you
Speaker 5: think like Perdy and Shanahan deal with that.
Speaker 13: I remember one time, I'll just I ask your question, Greg,
Speaker 13: but I remember one time Spags was on Jim john
Speaker 13: Staff and Philly and they went up to play Tom
Speaker 13: Brady and the Patriots. And to your point about versatility
Speaker 13: and changing fronts and all that stuff, literally, Jim Johnson
Speaker 13: gave Brady a different defense each quarter he started because
Speaker 13: they knew he would adjust. At halftime. He goes, we
Speaker 13: can't wait to have time to change. So literally, Jim
Speaker 13: Johnson came up with this idea, Let's give him four
Speaker 13: different defenses. We'll play a different one each quarter, and
Speaker 13: let's see if Brady and the Patriots adjust. So, I
Speaker 13: mean even in the playoffs. Now, Spaggs played a totally
Speaker 13: different defense against Buffalo in the playoffs, and he did
Speaker 13: week fourteen, and so last week he said, well, we'll
Speaker 13: play three big linebackers. We'll play Bolton and Tranquil and Chanal,
Speaker 13: and we'll stuff to run, but we'll leave our corners exposed.
Speaker 13: And if lamar Cot beat you know, Lugerius or you
Speaker 13: know Trent or Jalen or Joshua whoever out there, then
Speaker 13: they beat him and they couldn't beat him. You know,
Speaker 13: they got one deep ball down the field and one
Speaker 13: for a touchdown on a scramble driw. Other than that,
Speaker 13: like they were oh for eight on some of those
Speaker 13: deep shots. So what's I think Spags will start by saying, Okay,
Speaker 13: McCaffrey is a guy you got to stop. Like I
Speaker 13: feel like and how now, how are they going to
Speaker 13: do that? What front are they going to play? Their
Speaker 13: their mind is noddy, their minu is a man who
Speaker 13: they're down numbers, Like, what is this going to be
Speaker 13: their method to basically stop and McCaffrey from getting going
Speaker 13: and discouraging Shanahan from just feeding him the way they
Speaker 13: have all year long? So I mean that's just one take, Greg.
Speaker 13: But the good thing is, you know they had the
Speaker 13: six rookies a year ago, they all got in the field.
Speaker 13: They started four rookies in the Super Bowl. Like all
Speaker 13: these kids now are very experienced players. And you know,
Speaker 13: I saw this t shirt down the field in Baltimore
Speaker 13: the other day. Spags hates it, but they all have
Speaker 13: a T shirt that says in Spags we trust. And
Speaker 13: I really feel like they're all like they're all like
Speaker 13: they're in the classroom, and they all want to be
Speaker 13: in the front row.
Speaker 20: They all like, what's he going to do this week?
Speaker 20: How are we going to do this? What's what's the plan?
Speaker 20: And I think he's just got them all buying in
Speaker 20: right now to whatever that plan is.
Speaker 2: I have an idea, by the way, because everybody knows
Speaker 2: one of Baldi's greatest hits is and what he regularly
Speaker 2: it goes off on social media and virals the hashtag
Speaker 2: Baldise breakdowns. We have some very talented people that listen
Speaker 2: to this show. In terms of artistic merit. Can we
Speaker 2: get someone in the vein of the ins bags we trust,
Speaker 2: but in Baldi we trust, and then make sure he
Speaker 2: gets the the laser eyes also study like tape dogging.
Speaker 2: If we can get some type of T shirt design,
Speaker 2: maybe we can make a T shirt.
Speaker 20: Let's just get the clicker ya the clicker involved.
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, I have a great idea, Baldi. Can
Speaker 2: you can we get like an action shot of you
Speaker 2: with the clicker. We'll screen grab it and people could
Speaker 2: use that as the basis for the T shirt. That
Speaker 2: would be very helpful.
Speaker 20: Absolutely, we'll get that done.
Speaker 2: All right now, My question to you back to the game.
Speaker 2: We're always trying to build the Baldy brand because it
Speaker 2: can almost be bigger. The Kansas City offense is a
Speaker 2: subject of fascination to me and confusion quite frankly, based
Speaker 2: on how much they struggle and just thinking about where
Speaker 2: they were Christmas Day and that horrific performance against I
Speaker 2: think against the Raiders, and then once they get to
Speaker 2: the playoffs they turn it on and now here they
Speaker 2: are on the super Bowl and they took care of
Speaker 2: business against Miami and the Cold in the first round.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty vintage performance against the Bills in
Speaker 2: divisional play. The initial game script was flawless in the
Speaker 2: AFC Title Game, two touchdowns on the first two drives,
Speaker 2: and then things obviously dried up a little bit for them.
Speaker 2: When you look at the team that went to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl against the Eagles last year and the team
Speaker 2: now that's going to go to the Super Bowl against
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, do you think they have another
Speaker 2: vintage performance in them against the San Francisco defense or
Speaker 2: this or is this who more or less the Chiefs
Speaker 2: are this year where they do enough grind it out
Speaker 2: and its spags in the that takes things home, like
Speaker 2: is there Is there a huge game left in the
Speaker 2: tank for this team in this core?
Speaker 20: Oh for sure.
Speaker 13: I remember I had Andy Reid on my podcast like
Speaker 13: mid season, and I've known Andy since he came to
Speaker 13: Philadelphia nineteen ninety nine. So I told him, I said,
Speaker 13: you know, a big red. For the first time since
Speaker 13: I've known you, I'm talking more about your defense than
Speaker 13: your offense. And he didn't disagree. He didn't disagree with it.
Speaker 13: The way they were kind of struggling. Quite frankly, I
Speaker 13: feel like they're bored. During the regular season. They look
Speaker 13: bored sometimes it's just because they know what it's all about.
Speaker 13: They know all that matters is how you play in
Speaker 13: January and February. And I feel like and some of
Speaker 13: them have just been through it for so long now.
Speaker 13: Maybe Create Humphrey doesn't feel that way, or Tray Smith,
Speaker 13: but I feel in Rashid Rice. But to a certain extent,
Speaker 13: there is a little bit of fatigue that we got
Speaker 13: to get through this thing to where it really counts,
Speaker 13: and we just and so now the ball doesn't hit
Speaker 13: the ground when it goes to Travis Kelcey. It hit
Speaker 13: the ground a bunch, you know, during a regular season,
Speaker 13: the ball hit the ground like the game plan was brilliant,
Speaker 13: Like how like if we had a stopwatch and how
Speaker 13: long the ball was in Mahomes hands for most of
Speaker 13: his throws, it was less than a second and a half, Like,
Speaker 13: because they know Ravens are his own defense, they're just
Speaker 13: sitting there waiting. Well, but they'll took all the four
Speaker 13: yard throws that you can get and then we'll turn
Speaker 13: those four yard throws into four yards or six or
Speaker 13: maybe eight yards and we'll just stay on schedule of March.
Speaker 13: So that's where they did. Baltimore tightened things up in
Speaker 13: the second half, didn't get much, but I think they
Speaker 13: to answer your question, yeah, I think they have another
Speaker 13: venture's performance left in him.
Speaker 6: I thought you had an interesting tweet because you'd have
Speaker 6: a perspective that, you know, if you outside of youth sports,
Speaker 6: you don't know what's happening with a lot of these
Speaker 6: teams where they're not on the field plane. You talked
Speaker 6: about the way that the Chiefs pregame warm up, how
Speaker 6: they practice in general, that there's something about them that
Speaker 6: stands out to you, and it's like, whether they were
Speaker 6: bored or not, they're very consistent, and like, is that
Speaker 6: different than the Niners. To you, is that different than
Speaker 6: other teams in general?
Speaker 13: I've watched Rock Party warm up and he's the kind
Speaker 13: of an amazing guy in warm ups because you could
Speaker 13: like literally go out there to Brock Purdy and pregame
Speaker 13: warm ups and you could ask him about that ice
Speaker 13: cream shop in ames, Iowa and what his favorite flavor was,
Speaker 13: and he's like he's giving you an answer.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 13: But this routine of the Chiefs looks different to me.
Speaker 13: It looks very Peyton Manning. Like from the moment that
Speaker 13: Mahomes takes the field, it's like I've done I don't
Speaker 13: know this Mahomes has been. I've probably done twenty Chief
Speaker 13: games for national radio over the seven years. Like literally,
Speaker 13: his routine, it doesn't matter if it's twenty five below
Speaker 13: zero like a couple of weeks ago, or if it
Speaker 13: was Sunday in a misty rain. He comes out in
Speaker 13: his warm ups three hours for kickoff. He sits on
Speaker 13: a bench, he talks to the trainers, he talks to
Speaker 13: equipment guys, and then about an hour and a half
Speaker 13: before kickoff, he starts. He starts winding that arm up,
Speaker 13: and literally, you could take that game versus the game
Speaker 13: against Buffalo versus the game on Week two against Jacksonville.
Speaker 13: It's almost identical. And he must get at least one
Speaker 13: hundred throws in, and I just think like to throw obviously,
Speaker 13: you know, to Kelsey for the touchdown against Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 13: We've all watched it. It's an amazing throw. But I
Speaker 13: felt like he threw that with just the exact same
Speaker 13: amount of ease as what you just showed right there.
Speaker 13: And that throw to Travis Kelcey, it feels like it
Speaker 13: isn't anything different in the mechanics or how he throws
Speaker 13: it or anything else in that pregame warm up versus
Speaker 13: the game.
Speaker 20: And I don't know that other guys that warm up
Speaker 20: treat it the same way.
Speaker 5: My favorite warm up I ever saw, and we don't
Speaker 5: get on the field anymore at the Super Bowls was
Speaker 5: Colin Kaepernick just throwing fastballs as fast as he humanly could,
Speaker 5: like forty straight times. I don't know what the purpose
Speaker 5: of that was, but it was very exciting to watch
Speaker 5: before that Super Bowl. Last one I have for you
Speaker 5: ball they just watching these last three games from the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers that mattered for them. The Ravens game
Speaker 5: and then these two playoff games. I'm just struck with it.
Speaker 5: And you know, what you're seeing better on tape than
Speaker 5: any of us do. But what I'm seeing is kind
Speaker 5: of shocking to me, is a team that's like maybe
Speaker 5: not that physical that if you only watched these three weeks,
Speaker 5: you would say for those three weeks, both playoff games,
Speaker 5: the Raven games, they got pushed around a little and
Speaker 5: they didn't play very well. And that's very surprising to me.
Speaker 12: Could.
Speaker 5: I know they have some weak spots, but they also
Speaker 5: have some great players. Do you think the Chiefs offense
Speaker 5: could could out tough this forty nine Ers defense?
Speaker 20: Definitely?
Speaker 13: I mean the only guy that looked like he played
Speaker 13: good on Sunday was Bosa. I mean I didn't think Armstead, Hargrave, Givens, Chase.
Speaker 13: I didn't think you everyt played good.
Speaker 5: Surprising.
Speaker 13: I didn't think they had good run fits in the
Speaker 13: run game. I mean, Fred Warner's going this way and
Speaker 13: there's you know, Arng Burks is going this way and
Speaker 13: like to leave in the middle open for David Montgomery.
Speaker 13: I'm like, that's not good defense, you know. And I
Speaker 13: thought they got pushed around. I didn't think the effort
Speaker 13: was great, it wasn't championship effort by a number of players.
Speaker 13: And so while Fred Warner does cover up some of
Speaker 13: the mistakes because of how fast he plays and how
Speaker 13: aggressive he is, along with Dre Greenlaw like, I didn't
Speaker 13: see a great defense on Sunday. And so the one
Speaker 13: thing the Chiefs have leaned on though, is they've become
Speaker 13: a good power running football team. Even with you know,
Speaker 13: you know, Nick Allegretti in the left guard, they still
Speaker 13: did a good job of pushing Baltimore round at times
Speaker 13: on Sunday. And but Checko got some good runs, and
Speaker 13: I feel like they've they've leaned on that power run
Speaker 13: game a little bit. Donova Smith's a better run blocker
Speaker 13: than one Way Morse. So I mean, I just think
Speaker 13: if they need to, they'll lean on it. And I
Speaker 13: think based on what we just saw, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2: M all right Brian Baldinger, who you, of course can check.
Speaker 2: He's all over social media at Baldy NFL. He's got
Speaker 2: a couple of podcast All City Sports and on Odyssey.
Speaker 3: Check those out.
Speaker 5: You have a daily podcast, Baldi, like, how do you
Speaker 5: have time for a date too? Daily podcast?
Speaker 20: Daily podcast?
Speaker 13: People should that Best Football Show with Brian Balding podcasts
Speaker 13: from two different networks.
Speaker 3: The room that you're sitting in.
Speaker 13: Honestly, I'm just a football whore and whoever wants to
Speaker 13: pay me a check like I'm going to work for
Speaker 13: Like you know, I like that. I've never read one
Speaker 13: of my contracts ever. I'm just like people want me,
Speaker 13: You got me.
Speaker 2: You're normalizing football promiscuity, and I think that's healthy, by
Speaker 2: the way, just because I like to live vicariously through you.
Speaker 2: So once the season's over and you're going to belieze,
Speaker 2: are you more a sniping some mako sharks in the
Speaker 2: crow's nests with bikini babes around you? Or are you
Speaker 2: more like swimming with the dolphins with the bikini babes
Speaker 2: around you?
Speaker 19: Like?
Speaker 3: Where do you go on that?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 13: I I like both species, actually all three species, all
Speaker 13: three of all it be honest with you.
Speaker 20: I mean I could elaborate, but I think I'll just
Speaker 20: leave it right there.
Speaker 2: I think everybody knows where Baldy's coming out. And finally, Eric,
Speaker 2: can we go to full screen on Baldi Baldy. It's
Speaker 2: time to get out the clicker. We're going to get
Speaker 2: the screenshot. That are talented people. Let's go with Let's
Speaker 2: make sure it's in the shot. Everyone to do some
Speaker 2: type of take us back to your playing days. You're
Speaker 2: focused and intense.
Speaker 20: Well, here we go.
Speaker 13: Let's like, let's just take a look right here at
Speaker 13: Trent Williams and his backside cut off block. And nobody
Speaker 13: can emulate this. Nobody knows how to do it. It's
Speaker 13: strictly the Trent Williams block. How he could just take
Speaker 13: somebody's head and just ram it right into the ground
Speaker 13: and McCaffrey cut right off like that.
Speaker 20: It's just a beautiful piece of film right there.
Speaker 2: Beautiful and all the all the uh, all of the
Speaker 2: proceeds of this T shirt will go to repopulate the
Speaker 2: mako shark population.
Speaker 3: On the ocean.
Speaker 20: There's way too many sharks that aren't.
Speaker 2: Making all right, Baldy, thank you so much, buddy, appreciate
Speaker 2: the time. You're such an busy man this time of year,
Speaker 2: and we really do appreciate you doing this with us.
Speaker 3: Until next time.
Speaker 5: Thanks Baldy, Thank you guys.
Speaker 2: All right, there he goes Baldy. We spoke with him
Speaker 2: late last week. He's a very busy guy. As we
Speaker 2: alluded to, and he gave us some time. Really happy
Speaker 2: to talk with him and get dig into this game,
Speaker 2: which is going to be so great And I'm really
Speaker 2: excited about this. Not in spags we trust and Baldy
Speaker 2: we trust.
Speaker 3: Merch.
Speaker 2: People always asking about that merch mark, and I feel
Speaker 2: like this one could be a big time winner.
Speaker 6: He is the perfect candidate for a wide variety of
Speaker 6: creative input from people listeners that see the different aspects
Speaker 6: to Baldy. You know, there was one thing about him
Speaker 6: like I think we've come into this Super Bowl week
Speaker 6: a little bit like, oh it's Niners Chiefs again, Like
Speaker 6: is it the same old thing.
Speaker 3: Well, it's obviously not.
Speaker 6: But he elevates your interest in any matchup and whether
Speaker 6: it's the merch, it's the game itself.
Speaker 3: There's only one Baldy.
Speaker 2: Cool And just to give you an idea of like
Speaker 2: what you're up against Big Funk who's not in today.
Speaker 2: But here is a design that he together. You can
Speaker 2: check this out on a fast Channel Baldy's breakdowns. I
Speaker 2: mean that is I mean, that's what we're looking for.
Speaker 2: If you are a creative person and you want to
Speaker 2: design a T shirt around Baldy and his greatness, and
Speaker 2: look at that finger in the shit.
Speaker 3: You gotta get the pinky in the shot.
Speaker 2: Eric does that as someone that has a thumb as
Speaker 2: you to see the pinky a skew like that?
Speaker 20: Is that?
Speaker 3: Are you guys part of a club that no one
Speaker 3: talks about.
Speaker 11: I did think about it when we were recording that interview.
Speaker 11: I was like, there are a handful of people here
Speaker 11: and several people with faulty digits.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean his came on the battlefield of
Speaker 3: you know, the grid, iroon, how did you hurt your finger?
Speaker 3: Battlefield of the kitchen?
Speaker 6: I don't remember slice of potatoes. Okay, well it's not
Speaker 6: the same origin story.
Speaker 2: Also, Eric calling it a faulty digit, I don't believe
Speaker 2: you have a faulty Well, sometimes when you're get slow
Speaker 2: on the hit, that is a little faulty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 11: It's hard picking up things sometimes that little extra you
Speaker 11: can need, that little extra.
Speaker 3: It's too real. It's weird. Yeah, too real.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure we're going to end our eleven year
Speaker 5: strikeout out filled the attempts at making merch now and
Speaker 5: somehow going to be about Baldy.
Speaker 3: Right, and he gets all the money, all right.
Speaker 2: That was a action packed full show on Monday before
Speaker 2: we get on the plane, and so we gave you
Speaker 2: a lot to chew on and just want to before
Speaker 2: we go one more thing, and we mentioned Chris at
Speaker 2: the top of the show and again three years without him,
Speaker 2: and it's hard to believe, you know, we've been at
Speaker 2: this company for so long now and you get to
Speaker 2: know people on a personal level beyond just professional. And
Speaker 2: we were shocked to learn yesterday that Larry Campbell, who
Speaker 2: known by everyone in the office here as LC, who
Speaker 2: was like just like a great dude and someone that
Speaker 2: was always you know, friendly and great at his job,
Speaker 2: he passed away suddenly this week, this past week. So
Speaker 2: really a Paul and a gray and rainy time in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, Like that's hanging over this building right now
Speaker 2: because Larry was a mainstay in that newsroom and in
Speaker 2: terms of our NFL network team to so we lose
Speaker 2: Larry and we really send our thoughts and our prayers
Speaker 2: out to his family.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's a big loss. Such a kind soul,
Speaker 5: such a kind guy, and a big part of when
Speaker 5: we were first going on the network, working with him
Speaker 5: on all those old NFL now hits and whatever the
Speaker 5: name of it around the league, when it was around
Speaker 5: the league, then around the NFL, and just a great guy.
Speaker 5: He will be missed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like he was a real supporter of what
Speaker 6: we were trying to do. But I also know that
Speaker 6: like particularly West down to Marina del Rey would see
Speaker 6: Larry out a lot, and like they had a special friendship.
Speaker 6: And it's like someone that you just saw like a
Speaker 6: week ago, and then you find out, you know, and
Speaker 6: it's terrible these days you find overtext that this person
Speaker 6: is gone and it's like I can't, I don't.
Speaker 3: It brings up a lot of stuff for all of us.
Speaker 6: And it's like he was a genuinely kind, fun person
Speaker 6: and like there's really no one like him, and it's
Speaker 6: just another loss.
Speaker 2: And and I'll I implore you because we I say
Speaker 2: it not in jest, because I mean it. But when
Speaker 2: when Steve Weisch is on the show, I call him
Speaker 2: the conscience of the newsroom. Check out on his on
Speaker 2: his feed Twitter feed, Andrew and Steve talking about Larry
Speaker 2: because he can say it more eloquently than any of us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll be in Las Vegas in two days.
Speaker 2: Join us for another ride to the super Bowl. Till
Speaker 2: then he need to call