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Speaker 1: R and B. Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank Valentine.
Speaker 1: If this is the R and Money podcast, what it is,
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Speaker 1: l capitoli. L essence of an R and B singer
Speaker 1: is not just in how he sounds or she or
Speaker 1: she sounds, It is also in how they look. It's
Speaker 1: a special addition, special edition episode of when you artists
Speaker 1: are attracted to the esthetic of an artist. Well, there's
Speaker 1: an artist that creates that aesthetic, okay, and she is
Speaker 1: here with us. But dude, it for me since the
Speaker 1: beginning of my career makes some noise. But the Mika
Speaker 1: Foster and yeah, yeah yeah, the style icon, herself style icon,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, styling six Style had style, the style.
Speaker 3: Me and Coco Chanel together. We're old together.
Speaker 1: Come on, now you listen. I want to say this.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this off top and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into it for all y'all. Just starting to
Speaker 1: wear chrome hearts. The chrome hearts was put on my
Speaker 1: body in two thousand by this woman right here, twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand, dollars belt. That's crazy. Who gata two piece
Speaker 1: bottom and top? Shit, we've been doing it speaking you're late.
Speaker 1: I was styled by an eye cock. Birthday twin Tom business.
Speaker 1: It's the kind of episode today we're tripping today? Nice
Speaker 1: you know to me it was coming today. Put on
Speaker 1: a fabric that's that's explicivet EXPLI if you know, you know,
Speaker 1: if not the little custom rich fresh fish. You know
Speaker 1: everybody got this size. You ain't built like me. Something
Speaker 1: You're not built like me. You don't know what you
Speaker 1: signed up for. Like you got family here today and
Speaker 1: she got that ship on too. Listen listen when mess
Speaker 1: question when did you know you had an eye for this?
Speaker 1: Like you know, I may very poor clothing decisions in
Speaker 1: my desire to in my transition from church to R
Speaker 1: and B, because I just I didn't know, and you
Speaker 1: were the first person that I got to see all
Speaker 1: oh okay, oh ship okay, So I should all right now,
Speaker 1: I didn't put the bandannas away, which I should. I
Speaker 1: should have done that you had. I went to the
Speaker 1: squat meets, and you know, I was kind of like
Speaker 1: I was still trying to be you know, I saw
Speaker 1: R Kelly wear a band. I was like, I need
Speaker 1: a band. You know you got get one gear? Your
Speaker 1: fault full? Turning eight? Who the nigga with the Cranberry Bandanna?
Speaker 3: Did you have to study or bedazzle them?
Speaker 1: You know I didn't. I didn't do. I think Jane
Speaker 1: might have did that, and I think I might have
Speaker 1: stayed away from that because you styled him to you
Speaker 1: did style, but we really was but like when did
Speaker 1: you know you had an eye for that? This is
Speaker 1: did this start like as as a as a as
Speaker 1: a young girl, like just having super.
Speaker 3: Young, super young.
Speaker 4: My aunt Sadie, who is turning one hundred next month.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see. I can't wait, I'm out here.
Speaker 4: So she has a big party next month in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: Oh ship yep at the wharf yep. So anyway, my
Speaker 4: aunt Satie owned a boutique and I was six years
Speaker 4: old working in a boutique, like having a separate.
Speaker 3: Clothes and run around.
Speaker 4: That was like my first job, first introducing, first introduction
Speaker 4: to fashion, and I got into it really loving fashion,
Speaker 4: like brand names, like looking at the labels and learning
Speaker 4: that now I really love style more than labels and
Speaker 4: names because I realized the difference.
Speaker 3: I get the difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you was pulling some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4: I was doing a little fashion back then, so I did.
Speaker 4: People don't realize that. I don't know what year we
Speaker 4: with even two thousand, that's how long ago that I
Speaker 4: had a great relationship partnership with Chrome Hearts. We I
Speaker 4: did a couple of artists. I did you ushers a
Speaker 4: Confession's album cover. That's all Chrome Hearts. All that jewelry,
Speaker 4: all that gold and everything on Confessions the cover. People
Speaker 4: don't realize that's all Chrome Hearts head to toe.
Speaker 3: Always wow.
Speaker 1: Anybody over there, because be paying full know what?
Speaker 3: They never discounted.
Speaker 4: No, No, they'll give you something if you wear it
Speaker 4: on the Grammys maybe, but no. I mean I was
Speaker 4: just looking at a performance from the VMA's that I did.
Speaker 3: I don't know what year that was, but full chrome Hearts.
Speaker 4: I think he got to keep the leather pants like
Speaker 4: they really they don't do it, and I kind of
Speaker 4: like that. It doesn't want their brand down. They make
Speaker 4: it hard to get I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That's cool. So was it hard for you breaking into
Speaker 1: the prof the entertainment space in terms of getting getting
Speaker 1: your super hard.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, let me tell you the way this thing
Speaker 4: started was very funny.
Speaker 1: Back to the Bay.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the Bay. It wasn't the Bay.
Speaker 1: I didn't start. I don't want to start. Everything all started.
Speaker 4: It started to Bay because I was born in the Bay,
Speaker 4: if you will. No, but I got here. I went
Speaker 4: to the Fashion Institute down you know, downtown. I went
Speaker 4: to Fashion Institute. I wanted to be a merchandise marketing person.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a buyer basically for all the stores.
Speaker 4: So I learned the kind of the theory and the
Speaker 4: concept of what people look for when they buy things,
Speaker 4: how to price items, how to do displays, how to
Speaker 4: run a store, a boutique, whatever. And then I had
Speaker 4: a friend named Todd. Todd worked for bif ten, Michael Bivitts,
Speaker 4: and he had just started his at Motown and he
Speaker 4: had a group coming out and he was like, I
Speaker 4: need you to fix my group. Get him right, And
Speaker 4: I was like, get him right? What I So he
Speaker 4: was like, the girls I wanted to look like you.
Speaker 4: Just get them, make them all have flavor like you.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, you know when you get dressed. You don't really
Speaker 4: think about what your I didn't have an image.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. So it was called Subway in seven
Speaker 3: oh two.
Speaker 4: So my first, my first official video was Subway, this
Speaker 4: little game we played.
Speaker 1: That's how.
Speaker 3: I'm really dating myself. So from there, I did not
Speaker 3: know what I was doing.
Speaker 4: I you know, Hi, Sorry, Michael, Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know what to charge.
Speaker 1: It seems like it seems like at least you had
Speaker 1: some schooling under your back.
Speaker 3: I did you know I had.
Speaker 4: I knew color theory. I knew what colors, you know,
Speaker 4: what like people are animals. You know they match match, match, like,
Speaker 4: oh you're gonna wear black, you're gonna wear white like this.
Speaker 4: But I knew that you can wear gray and you
Speaker 4: can put blue, and you can do this. You know,
Speaker 4: you can add a little pumpkin and put a little
Speaker 4: you know how you can play with colors and that
Speaker 4: I knew.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know how to pull clothes. I didn't
Speaker 3: know the first of.
Speaker 4: How you acquire the clothes and the Another really good
Speaker 4: point to be known is that designers were not giving
Speaker 4: y'all clothes, right, No, no, no, they didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Give you guys clothes, like I'd have to be like, no,
Speaker 3: this is actually for Nat King Cole, like they did
Speaker 3: not care, like that.
Speaker 4: I'm pulling for Usher or Tank or h Jesse Jesse
Speaker 4: Powell and all those, all my early clients. They're looking
Speaker 4: at me like who we never you know, they hadn't
Speaker 4: hurt any guys yet, So it was really a lot
Speaker 4: of finesse to make them say this person's on the up.
Speaker 4: Like I used to write letters, like my office will
Speaker 4: tell you my old assistants, who are now all doing
Speaker 4: very well, but they'll tell you that I used to
Speaker 4: have formal letters that had to go out to request
Speaker 4: the clothes.
Speaker 3: To even get any of the stuff. Yeah, because I knew.
Speaker 3: I knew y'all have potential.
Speaker 5: I knew.
Speaker 3: Somebody I saw something me and you, I swear I did.
Speaker 1: Did you did you know? Because what you said earlier
Speaker 1: is that you know he said he wanted all of
Speaker 1: the girls to look like you. Yeah, did you know
Speaker 1: that you had a thing like did you know that
Speaker 1: you would fly? Or you would just kind of like I.
Speaker 4: Don't even think I was flying. You know what it is?
Speaker 4: Fly is such a culmination of things. It's a demeanor.
Speaker 4: It's an aura.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of how you speak, how you move.
Speaker 4: Like I can come and hang out with you guys
Speaker 4: and sit in a room, be a fly on the wall,
Speaker 4: and afterwards and we'll chop it up and crack up
Speaker 4: about everybody. Not all girls can do that. I'm like
Speaker 4: a boy girl, like, no, I'm not no man. I
Speaker 4: know y'all want to say I knew she was a man,
Speaker 4: Don't kidding, but no, But SERI, I can hang with
Speaker 4: the fellas and like crack up and have a good time.
Speaker 3: So I had a thing. It's a genesis quad. It's
Speaker 3: a thing. It's a thing.
Speaker 4: It wasn't always about style or fashion. So that's where
Speaker 4: people get it confused. They think, I'll go in Gucci
Speaker 4: and I'll get the whole new mannequin look that just
Speaker 4: fresh off the runway, and I will have that thing,
Speaker 4: and you may or may not, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: For a second, think about it was the mannequin for
Speaker 1: a minute?
Speaker 3: You were you used to wear all that head to doe.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I got a little money, I was like,
Speaker 1: just give me that, give me that.
Speaker 3: I need all of that and the clips that.
Speaker 1: Hold it all I mean, yeah him, whatever that's doing man,
Speaker 1: because I mean, because you think like me as a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, you know I didn't grow up in anything fashionable, nothing,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I was in Milwaukee. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: my clothes were hand me downs or from you know,
Speaker 1: from the discount mart or from rummage cells. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that one now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So but then even getting older, moving in Maryland and
Speaker 1: finally making a little money in the church and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, like I would like venture off into like
Speaker 1: Kenneth Cole. But then but but but the suit was
Speaker 1: still oak Tree. You know what I'm saying out there,
Speaker 1: because I still needed the discount suit. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You get the suit and for nine you
Speaker 1: had a lot of listen and the oak Tree with
Speaker 1: a oak Tree suit, with the with the Kenneth Colt shoe,
Speaker 1: and then I top it off with a a Sachi.
Speaker 3: He'll appreciate this. I used to work at oak Tree,
Speaker 3: so like.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's what I'm talking about, and he sta Tree,
Speaker 1: this is an come on. Now.
Speaker 4: I used to work at the ones in the where
Speaker 4: Norseman was in San Francisco, that big uh they closed
Speaker 4: now Norham, But yeah on Powell, that whole thing I
Speaker 4: worked in.
Speaker 1: Wow. So that was my you know, and that was
Speaker 1: church kind of style, which is different, way different from
Speaker 1: you know, you know, street style, street and entertainment style.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that was ancient, Like where do
Speaker 1: you get that stood in ancient? Until I went on
Speaker 1: the road with Genuine and then you know, that really
Speaker 1: introduced me to the silk shirt, you know, because Genuine
Speaker 1: bought all the silkies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my other client.
Speaker 4: But one thing about g I don't care what you
Speaker 4: bring him from the designers. He's gonna be like, we'll
Speaker 4: put the Batman collar on it. Wait wait, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: he didn't want nothing. No, if he saw it in
Speaker 4: like gqu'd be like, not that Sh'S wrong.
Speaker 3: He wanted to straight up Gordon Gartrail at all times. Period.
Speaker 2: But there's but there's it's it's so when you say that, right,
Speaker 2: there's an art to that as well, because.
Speaker 3: There has to be a separation individuality, Yes.
Speaker 2: There has, especially in entertainment. We are not supposed to
Speaker 2: look like your neighbor.
Speaker 3: That's true. But sometimes, let me tell you this, sometimes
Speaker 3: less is.
Speaker 1: More, for sure, agreed, agreed, and that's when sometimes niggas
Speaker 1: like him take their shirt off because, like you said, use,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come out here with the one I was
Speaker 1: born with. But we have to have a separation.
Speaker 2: We have to have individuality in order for somebody to
Speaker 2: want to buy into you.
Speaker 3: Yes and no. Let me tell you what I say.
Speaker 4: Some of my favorite fashion style icons are like James Dean.
Speaker 4: There's like classic I keep. I can't say this enough.
Speaker 1: But that nigga wasn't saying but he was actor, but.
Speaker 3: He was what women look.
Speaker 4: It's not about just what you do, it's about it's
Speaker 4: about being a true This is the thing you want
Speaker 4: to make men want to be like you, and you
Speaker 4: want women want to lay down with you.
Speaker 3: That's what the goal is.
Speaker 4: Whenever I'm styling an artist or I get a client,
Speaker 4: I think about what the demographic is. Who are we
Speaker 4: trying to appeal to? So we want women to want
Speaker 4: you and we want men to want to be like you.
Speaker 4: That's how you create a strong image. If it's a
Speaker 4: little questionable and women want to wear what you have on,
Speaker 4: we might have a problem a little bit.
Speaker 1: So you couldn't style Prince.
Speaker 4: No, I'm but see, I'm also a Michael Jackson person.
Speaker 4: So you know, growing up in Oakland, you were prince
Speaker 4: or you were Michael Jackson. My mother loved prince, but
Speaker 4: I was mj to the bone. Like it was like
Speaker 4: a battle, you know what I mean, how like the
Speaker 4: battle of over like whatever, over ballplayers and stuff.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Michael.
Speaker 3: Jackson was Prince of Michael Jackson. Like you had to.
Speaker 3: You had to choose a team, pick a side.
Speaker 2: My mother and my father. My father was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: My mother was prince.
Speaker 3: My mother was prince too.
Speaker 2: My mother was Prince. He's the only the only lights
Speaker 2: game man. My mother ever loved.
Speaker 3: Really what, Yeah, she wasn't.
Speaker 1: Fucking with nothing. I don't know. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson prince. So I get it. You're You're absolutely right.
Speaker 4: You had to make you had to, man, you had
Speaker 4: to pick a struggle when I was growing up.
Speaker 3: So I was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: Because then he was like, I don't know what, but
Speaker 4: he still had curly here and baby here.
Speaker 1: But it was still not normal. It's still not normal.
Speaker 1: I still wasn't wearing normal clothes.
Speaker 2: At a point, Nah, that man had on a cart
Speaker 2: first of all I Mike had Rosie cheeks.
Speaker 1: He was out here putting your chicks and my cheeks
Speaker 1: right now. After off the Wall, y'all gonna see these checks.
Speaker 1: After off the Wall, Mike went somewhere else.
Speaker 4: He did on that yellow cardigan yellow the yellow cardigan
Speaker 4: picture his cheeks.
Speaker 1: That ship ain't normal, were selling something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, don't hurt my life.
Speaker 2: But he was an entertainer, right like actors can get
Speaker 2: off the whole, you know, aesthetic of every man, but
Speaker 2: a musician has to get off.
Speaker 1: I am the man. I'm him, So what separates me
Speaker 1: and makes me him? So? To me? When when artists
Speaker 1: do you know certain things that maybe I don't agree
Speaker 1: with and it's something I might not have worn, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I get it.
Speaker 5: That's you know, you're getting your ship off.
Speaker 4: I struggle with that, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: struggle with it because I'm super I am. I'm probably
Speaker 4: a little boring in the sense that I really like
Speaker 4: classic things because I want to be able to look
Speaker 4: at a photo of anything that I either worked on
Speaker 4: or that I've worn and look at it ten years
Speaker 4: from now and not hate it. I don't want to
Speaker 4: be like, remember them big old bell old bottoms, Like
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I don't want I don't
Speaker 4: follow the trend of what I try to wear, just
Speaker 4: kind of classic. I keep it really really safe. So
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, there are very adventurous stylists and
Speaker 4: they'd be like, just cut the bottom of your booty out,
Speaker 4: It's okay.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, no, that's not because I know that
Speaker 3: you're going to look back at it and regret it.
Speaker 4: So if you know, sometimes less is more and classic
Speaker 4: it just transcends time.
Speaker 1: Do you have a regrettable I have a lot of them.
Speaker 4: Listen, I will say, right here, where's the camera. I
Speaker 4: am not the fashion icon.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not without flaw in that regard I have. Do
Speaker 4: I have great style and taste? Yes, But sometimes it's
Speaker 4: in hindsight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I've messed up. I've definitely messed up on a few.
Speaker 2: Not that many have to, though, And I you know
Speaker 2: you say that you're not, but I believe that you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: You know, since we said about about to pull up
Speaker 2: a fit, well we not about.
Speaker 1: To pull up.
Speaker 4: Let me think I think it's real bad, Like Jeopardy Music,
Speaker 4: she says she's not right, so she says she's not
Speaker 4: a fashion icon.
Speaker 1: I just want to just go down the list here,
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill, White, Cleft, Sean Beyonce, Yeah, jay Z, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aretha Franklin, pedl Leabelle, Chaka Khan, Sierra h Town, Foujis Aliah,
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton, Mary j Blige, Timberland, Tweet, Brian McKnight, Blue
Speaker 1: Can Trail, Jim pro Usher, Music, Soul Child, Jesse Fay,
Speaker 1: Ashanti Nas Genuine, Raham, Devon, True Hill, LaToya look at Next,
Speaker 1: Chris browns Is, Chris Tucker, Maxwell, Lloyd, Anthony Hamilton, Sam Salter,
Speaker 1: Something for the People, Jesse Powell, Life, Jennings Applies, That's great,
Speaker 1: Kevin Gates, O Marion, Sammy, Glenn Lewis, Cardinal offic Show, Tank,
Speaker 1: Joe LeVert, Joe John Tay, Austin, Seminole Two, Pharrell, Doctor,
Speaker 1: Dre t I, Jagged Edge Guru, Mace Silk, Sugar Free
Speaker 1: and more.
Speaker 4: Dude, But can I tell you the one person I
Speaker 4: didn't hear in that list, and it's very important. I
Speaker 4: will shout Hi out right now because he's my favorite client,
Speaker 4: one of them.
Speaker 3: Lloyd Lloyd. Lloyd. Lloyd is my guy, Lloyd.
Speaker 1: I love Lloyd.
Speaker 3: Lloyd is such a are Lloyd fans here, Lloyd, I
Speaker 3: love you. Lloyd knows and he is. He's a capcorn.
Speaker 3: I knew it.
Speaker 1: So you know this is not This is not normal, right,
Speaker 1: You're your client listing and the people saying, hey, what
Speaker 1: whatever she's doing? I need that. It's not normal, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's like, okay, maybe four or five of these referrals. Yea.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, it just becomes what you do. We
Speaker 1: need to make him, we need to make it.
Speaker 4: More than a style person. I'm kind of more of etiquette.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of it's kind of an etiquette thing. It's
Speaker 4: kind of come on, now, when you had that on,
Speaker 4: you're supposed to sit like this because you don't care.
Speaker 3: Because this is something I would say, like, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You put that on and you grab your when you singing,
Speaker 4: and you need to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm showing that.
Speaker 4: It's kind of choreography, but not in the dance. I'm
Speaker 4: not a dancer, but you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: I kind of give swagger like it's a swagger coach. Huh,
Speaker 4: That's what I think maybe I change. I'm sorry changing
Speaker 4: my title swag coach.
Speaker 1: No really, no, for real, When you put on certain ship, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta act difference.
Speaker 4: And I always say, don't let that thing where you.
Speaker 4: You're wearing it. So if you got it on, don't
Speaker 4: just have your sleeves like I have on the new
Speaker 4: Gucci collections from the I got Pharrell's new runway.
Speaker 3: No, dude, don't let it.
Speaker 4: You gotta wear it, throw it on and your attitude
Speaker 4: has to match the garment or I'm gonna change.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you can't wear that because you ain't ready.
Speaker 3: That's flyer than you right now. Ye can't be flyer
Speaker 3: than you. You gotta be the fly one.
Speaker 4: It's your demeanor, it's it's what you're giving. You gotta
Speaker 4: be able to pull it off. But then you also
Speaker 4: can't be too extra. It's always like, right, Yeah, you
Speaker 4: gotta find a balance of balance.
Speaker 1: But that's that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're hired for these jobs because people understand that
Speaker 2: you know the balance and.
Speaker 1: Hired you know I didn't. I never hired and fired
Speaker 1: anybody that kind of power. Joe probably fired you and
Speaker 1: like Jo walking with that confid what the is all
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: What I was an over budget queen ship.
Speaker 3: I saw more for you people. Did he deserves hers?
Speaker 1: What do you mean this first album? It's the first album,
Speaker 1: the first album, the second video.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ask Lloyd this second video.
Speaker 1: I take it's my new artist. Yeah, I'm firing you too.
Speaker 3: So you got twenty you had the same voice. He
Speaker 3: had the same voice.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: You see he had the same ability.
Speaker 1: So okay, you said the future.
Speaker 3: I did see the future.
Speaker 4: I promise you, Like, if you bring me an artist
Speaker 4: and I know that artist is mediocre, I'm definitely not
Speaker 4: using all my contacts on that person.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no offense.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go in and be pulling from
Speaker 4: Fucci and every you know, getting close from everywhere and
Speaker 4: putting my credit cards on the line, because that's what
Speaker 4: I used to do.
Speaker 3: There was a lot.
Speaker 2: Speak on that speak on the business side. Come on,
Speaker 2: because because we have aspiring stylist sure swag icons that
Speaker 2: are watching this and haven't become that yet and they're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to.
Speaker 5: Get to do it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the business side. That you need some
Speaker 1: credit cards? You need what do you need? What you
Speaker 1: need to get in this game?
Speaker 4: Is very relationship base in terms of what stores you
Speaker 4: can pull from. What I mean, my artists have burned
Speaker 4: a lot of bridges for me, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I have been on set.
Speaker 4: I've done you know, the rapper and all his homeboys
Speaker 4: and the click I won't say any names. And they
Speaker 4: come in all their homeboys who are not signing to
Speaker 4: anybody shit, you know. Yeah, Oh taking the Cardier frames.
Speaker 4: You want them because they like them.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what are those fifteen hundred dollars? Oh?
Speaker 4: Guess who has to eat it right because you can't
Speaker 4: pinpoint who took them.
Speaker 3: But you know is one of those guys. So you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I used to get messed up, I used to get burned,
Speaker 4: but I was never in it for the money. I
Speaker 4: really had a passion for it. I really love the
Speaker 4: final outcome. I love to see it all come together,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like all the pull, all
Speaker 4: the days are running around and trying to find the
Speaker 4: size forty three and we got he can't get the
Speaker 4: poidser I need the black holees because they go with
Speaker 4: the and going through all of that and then actually
Speaker 4: seeing the actual day of the video and all the
Speaker 4: fire and all the pyrole and stuff happened, and.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, that's why I do this. I love, love,
Speaker 3: love what I do. I love what I did. I'm
Speaker 3: kind of retired, sort of semi so.
Speaker 1: Like we're a lot of the like explain to them,
Speaker 1: like the pools that are pulled and then returned, because
Speaker 1: I think people still don't realize that the even red
Speaker 1: carpets and all of these things, like those clothes ain't
Speaker 1: in the closet.
Speaker 3: Lot is very very very much borrowed, very much borrow very.
Speaker 1: Much borrowed, and you got to have either the relationships.
Speaker 3: Like a wedding day or some money to put something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you relationships or some money to put up
Speaker 2: and the money to put up. Because even with pools,
Speaker 2: because obviously I got friends that are stylists as well,
Speaker 2: like there's a there's a fee that.
Speaker 4: So there are stores that you can go to that's
Speaker 4: again new stylists. If I could say anything to you,
Speaker 4: don't don't put all your eggs in one basket because
Speaker 4: every every artist and every client isn't worth you burning,
Speaker 4: you know, and going through all these different stories in
Speaker 4: these relationships. So yeah, you got to be kind of mindful,
Speaker 4: don't go crazy on everybody.
Speaker 3: I think stylists to see stylists.
Speaker 4: I don't even like to call myself that anymore because
Speaker 4: it's it's a kind of water down term.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's a stylist.
Speaker 1: Everybody's not a stylist.
Speaker 3: Well they call themselves it, so you know if they
Speaker 3: worked at J Crew for three days.
Speaker 1: Everybody, everybody's not a stylist, just like everybody says they're
Speaker 1: an artist, or everybody says that they're a rapper, or
Speaker 1: everybody says you can say whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1: The proof is in in that that that list. When
Speaker 1: when when the papers come out, right you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and and and the budgets come out, there
Speaker 1: are people who are going to get those budgets to
Speaker 1: do those things for these people that I just named,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like like Drake said,
Speaker 1: if you don't tell me you are amount of if
Speaker 1: you ain't been in vogue, Like there are levels.
Speaker 2: But then also also having like vision boards, people people
Speaker 2: also think like, oh, I'm just gonna come in Salmon
Speaker 2: stylist because I know how to get dressed. But can
Speaker 2: they also put it together for someone to see issue.
Speaker 4: In order to get the job, you're going to laugh
Speaker 4: to work with Usher, I had to do a presentation
Speaker 4: at his label, you know, Flana shout out to Flana Williams.
Speaker 4: I had to come with like boards, I had like
Speaker 4: fabric to watches and sketches, like literally I had to
Speaker 4: put together a serious presentation.
Speaker 1: What makes sense though, because it's like.
Speaker 3: It worked out, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is I mean, what is the audition
Speaker 1: for that? You know what I'm saying. When you get
Speaker 1: to that level of an artist, it's like, at that
Speaker 1: level of an artist, they want to see, you know,
Speaker 1: not so much so what you've done, because what you've
Speaker 1: done is definitely going to get you in the room,
Speaker 1: but they want to see what exactly can you do?
Speaker 1: Just for me? Yeah, it's something that nobody else has
Speaker 1: done or can do.
Speaker 4: Somewhere in one of my storages, I will have those
Speaker 4: original because they brought me in after he did.
Speaker 3: I think it was popular collar.
Speaker 4: And somebody knew that you needed to I need to
Speaker 4: shake things up and kind of give it an edge,
Speaker 4: which is.
Speaker 3: Obviously what it has now.
Speaker 4: And I think my first job was you got it bad?
Speaker 4: Probably My first video was you got you got it
Speaker 4: Bad and I wanted again. That was the two things
Speaker 4: that I wanted to marry, no pun, but the two
Speaker 4: things that I wanted to put together was women to
Speaker 4: want him and men to want to be like him,
Speaker 4: you know. So that was you got it bad, where
Speaker 4: you're ripping it you know, yep yep. So you need
Speaker 4: a certain certain sex appeal that had to happen, and
Speaker 4: a certain masculine vibe had to happen too, because it's
Speaker 4: a it's a fine line. Because with art, with you
Speaker 4: mail artists, it's a fine line from feminine to masculine.
Speaker 4: You guys have to really know you're riding a line. Today,
Speaker 4: I guess it doesn't matter because this is a very
Speaker 4: fluid world where in.
Speaker 1: But you can identify as anything.
Speaker 3: I'm a giraffe.
Speaker 4: I like, I didn't learn to.
Speaker 1: Style a giraffe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know what I mean. It's different now,
Speaker 3: But just I'm old school.
Speaker 1: You are ol school. Cause remember I saw you one time.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what I had what I had on,
Speaker 1: but I was on my I was on my Miami
Speaker 1: Vice early. You know what I'm saying. It was the suit,
Speaker 1: it was the the it was the cut off. The
Speaker 1: pant was cut off right at the ankle. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Low for no socks, you gotta put
Speaker 1: some damn socks on.
Speaker 3: What because I don't follow trim?
Speaker 1: Just guess what your ankle beat is?
Speaker 4: That style gone?
Speaker 3: Have you seen? It's kind of gone?
Speaker 1: What's that going?
Speaker 3: Dude still got no songs on in little short pants.
Speaker 1: Little shirt pans on. No, I don't think nobody.
Speaker 3: Wearing some damn pedal pushes on y'all. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 3: don't like. I ain't with it.
Speaker 1: I did a no sock thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm okay with no socks. I'm okay with.
Speaker 1: I think it. But also like it's as we go back,
Speaker 1: like to Genuine, it's it's how you own a thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like I watched Genuine own he owned some hush puppies
Speaker 1: and a Jane West silk silver shirt.
Speaker 3: It's for dancing.
Speaker 1: It's not a defense thing because he don't need defending.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, oh, I'll put that shit on and
Speaker 1: he and he'll go out there and he'll rock sixty
Speaker 1: thousand people and they will not know the difference. Right
Speaker 1: because that man Genuine went to work. Well.
Speaker 3: First of all, he's in Kentucky. They don't know.
Speaker 1: Man, it's not just Kentucky. Right for Dallas Houston, we
Speaker 1: were in major cities with these silky If he had
Speaker 1: one on, I had one, it was falling out. If
Speaker 1: he had one on falling out, he was the genuine,
Speaker 1: was the man. So it was just like I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember it had to be Dallas.
Speaker 3: That was his wife.
Speaker 1: By the way, he did remember had to swirly swirl, right, swirl.
Speaker 3: That ain't fir.
Speaker 4: That asked, where you get above my pay grade? I
Speaker 4: don't do the hair.
Speaker 1: So I saw a grown man with the genuine swirly swirl.
Speaker 3: What was their swirl?
Speaker 1: It was just your hair had a little quickly a
Speaker 1: nigga had. And that's when it was like, okay, So
Speaker 1: Jackson had a drop curl. He had to drop. Jackson
Speaker 1: had to little I'm gonna go back to your guy
Speaker 1: because I know that's guy. That's your too much.
Speaker 3: Not the drop cirl he did. I had it too.
Speaker 4: That's what that you're right was going on because I
Speaker 4: had it to.
Speaker 3: I had to go on to get that girl too.
Speaker 1: And the reason I murpher genuine is because I think,
Speaker 1: like even as we say, genuine, who is my brother?
Speaker 1: I don't think he's he's crazy in terms of style,
Speaker 1: but I think he was such an amazing artist that
Speaker 1: that part of it didn't really matter for him because
Speaker 1: he was that amazing of an artist.
Speaker 3: No, but he had a vision.
Speaker 1: He knew, he knew, he knew exactly what you walked in.
Speaker 1: Not on I give me the green like you gonna
Speaker 1: wear the green? The green? Okay? Do you think though
Speaker 1: that artists have been artist artists have been hurt, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean in terms of their ability to
Speaker 1: connect to an audience because their styling wasn't right.
Speaker 4: I have to say this, I firmly believe that success
Speaker 4: as an artist is forty talent, forty low forty sixty
Speaker 4: percent imagery style because people fall in love with you
Speaker 4: as a as a thing first the talent and stuff.
Speaker 4: Of course, it will sustain you and will keep you there.
Speaker 4: But you have to have the right imaging. You have
Speaker 4: to have the right imaging. And I just I'll stand
Speaker 4: behind that, you know, and I'm sure artists and labels
Speaker 4: will arguably, no, he can sing.
Speaker 1: Right now in four Yeah, they are not going to
Speaker 1: argue with you.
Speaker 4: They will argue because I even I have gone to
Speaker 4: labels now, I'm looking at artists now and today they
Speaker 4: need imaging so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll say it like this, they are definitely
Speaker 1: looking for a certain esthetic. Yeah, that is completely like now.
Speaker 1: It used to be a time where you used to
Speaker 1: be able to separate the artists from the other people
Speaker 1: that were in attendance. It used to be a time.
Speaker 1: But now that the look, the rap look, the rap
Speaker 1: street look is I don't know who that is, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know who has no idea who that is.
Speaker 1: I don't know which one, but it's it's for some
Speaker 1: reason that aesthetic is driving the marketplace. Yeah, literally one
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I would do. If they
Speaker 3: called me and say I.
Speaker 4: Need you to do any of the littles and all
Speaker 4: those different raps, I'd be like, ooh, I don't know
Speaker 4: what to put on them.
Speaker 3: I just go in my closet and just bringing some shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'd be like I got something I know, I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do.
Speaker 1: It's like if everybody's trying to find the separation, I
Speaker 1: think like a guy like Travis Scott has figured out
Speaker 1: the separation. Yeah, you know what I mean, like and
Speaker 1: it's subtle, but it's so it's different. I mean, but
Speaker 1: you you also will myself.
Speaker 4: I want an earring in my nose. I'm like, which
Speaker 4: rapper I have to think? Like, which one of y'all
Speaker 4: got earring? Y'all nose copying? No, you can't get that.
Speaker 2: But what happens with like you said, a Travis Scott
Speaker 2: right or Kendrick Lamar. They also separate themselves by finding
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, by being like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm not just gonna buy this Montclair puff jacket and
Speaker 2: these you know, these purple jeans and sagam and be
Speaker 2: like everybody else. It's like no, no, no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 2: going to actually go and find what my style is.
Speaker 2: Like you said, I'm going to go in and now
Speaker 2: cover this sixty percent because I got my talent.
Speaker 3: Is that what they're doing?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I think that Kendrick Kendrick definitely for sure.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying I think guys now are just they
Speaker 4: have huge budgets because they got money and stuff, so
Speaker 4: they just go like I'm going to Louis Vuitton, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna buy all the Farraill's new stuff and get the tims.
Speaker 3: And da da da, I'm gonna to Gucci and get
Speaker 3: all the new.
Speaker 4: They just want the new. They don't care if it's style.
Speaker 4: I think it's just designer.
Speaker 2: But I think that's the I think that's the pack. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think that's the pack. But I think
Speaker 2: the guys that are above that pack from R and
Speaker 2: b our hip hop art whatever, are still separating themselves.
Speaker 2: Are still separating themselves, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: No, no, because you're not going to see anybody with
Speaker 1: what Beyonce has on. No, when you go see Beyonce
Speaker 1: and show wherever you pull upon and.
Speaker 3: If you see anybody with it on, they're trying to
Speaker 3: copy her.
Speaker 1: They took a picture somewhere, so can you make.
Speaker 4: That they like make anything close. Yeah, she's definitely doing original.
Speaker 2: Like what would be your what would be your advice
Speaker 2: to an artist with selecting a stylist.
Speaker 1: Sitting on the other.
Speaker 4: Side, I would tell an artist to interview a couple
Speaker 4: of people and number one, see if you match energies,
Speaker 4: because if she comes in and she's like in.
Speaker 1: My former life stercle, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you know what I'm saying, if they're not if
Speaker 4: you don't have the same vibe, you don't even like
Speaker 4: the same music, that's probably not your person. You need
Speaker 4: a person that understands your music. Because what I always do,
Speaker 4: I sit down with a client and I'll say, tell
Speaker 4: me what you don't like? Okay, what will you what
Speaker 4: colors do you hate? What will you never wear? That's
Speaker 4: what I ask, because that eliminates a whole category. Then
Speaker 4: I have to waste my time in the store picking
Speaker 4: out gray. And you hate gray, You're never gonna wear gray?
Speaker 4: So then why do I pull all this gray stuff?
Speaker 4: So you ask them what they don't You got to
Speaker 4: learn the mind of the client. And so I would
Speaker 4: tell an artist who's trying to choose a stylist, make
Speaker 4: sure she understands who you are and what you're trying
Speaker 4: to convey, because she needs to want. I always say,
Speaker 4: send me the music, and you tell somebody. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: call me and they say, I want you to do
Speaker 4: I got this new girl, she's done it. I'd be like,
Speaker 4: send me her music, yeah, and let me listen to it.
Speaker 4: And if I can close my eyes and say I
Speaker 4: get it, she's like Megan Trainer or she wants to
Speaker 4: do adele. She's trying to be you know, and then
Speaker 4: I can see it. Then I can visualize. Then I say,
Speaker 4: you know, where's I is. Then I think about what
Speaker 4: I'm gonna you build it. Styling is more. It's mental
Speaker 4: because you got to think of you're trying to sell
Speaker 4: this concept and this image to the masses.
Speaker 3: That's what we're hoping to make some money.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So that's you know, there's there's a lot
Speaker 4: more into it. It's not just you like clothes and
Speaker 4: you you got relationships at Bottega and you can run
Speaker 4: and go get all the stuff. Botaga may not even
Speaker 4: be his style. He shouldn't have on one thing Botaga.
Speaker 4: I don't care if the manager is your cousin, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, that ain't his style. It's conservative,
Speaker 4: it's you know, that's not his look. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: that's what's really important. It's not about designers, about understanding
Speaker 4: the image and the body type.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, that matters. I think that's the biggest part.
Speaker 1: Like an artist has to has to understand, like has
Speaker 1: to be understood.
Speaker 3: They also gotta understand themselves too.
Speaker 1: This is too because I mean, I'll take it from me,
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what I was supposed to look like.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was. I was a
Speaker 1: cross between in terms of talent. I was a cross
Speaker 1: between Brian and Knight and r Kelly and Babyface all
Speaker 1: all three different spectrums of a of a of a
Speaker 1: of a style you know what I mean, a style conversation.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know. I didn't know who it was.
Speaker 1: So you guys were like, you guys were fostering, you know,
Speaker 1: those moments for me so that I can identify something
Speaker 1: or try to. So it took me a minute after that,
Speaker 1: burn all my stuff in my closet at one time.
Speaker 1: Because I loved Zara and I think was very dear.
Speaker 3: I loved them.
Speaker 1: I know I loved.
Speaker 2: Anymore.
Speaker 1: They just get me because it's so easy, the cut
Speaker 1: of I had a relationship with Zara that was unmatched.
Speaker 3: Needs to hire a black designer.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 4: That way, you can marry the two, you know, the
Speaker 4: European stuff because in the.
Speaker 1: Beginning they had it. In the beginning, that boy was
Speaker 1: red carpet. You kidding me. I'm like, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear that transformers? I remember I remember I
Speaker 1: was in lived with a couple of pieces. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I walked up on Brian. You know, he.
Speaker 3: Knows he gets on, you know, because it's not cut.
Speaker 1: I'm smaller than they make twos. You know what, We'll
Speaker 1: get out of there, shout out to.
Speaker 3: My brother whatever that's.
Speaker 1: We looked at each other because nobody was in Zoar
Speaker 1: at that time, and I was like, you know, he's like, nigga,
Speaker 1: stay out my store.
Speaker 6: Nigga store, nigga claiming, claiming, and then like and then
Speaker 6: like I just stayed on a few years too long.
Speaker 1: And Jay was like, I think if we're going to
Speaker 1: go to the next level, we got to start with
Speaker 1: your styling in the imagery. And I'm like, I'm all ears.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, they lead the way, Like, show me
Speaker 1: where I need the bee. He walks in the closet.
Speaker 1: He's like, we should we should we should burn all
Speaker 1: of this. You said that we should burn all of that.
Speaker 1: I was like that we started said burn all that's everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should burn it because we go back to
Speaker 2: we go back to rite the imagery side of it.
Speaker 1: And in my this is just my opinion.
Speaker 2: And I appreciated my brother for listening to me in
Speaker 2: that space because.
Speaker 1: He already was. He was tank. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: was inheriting something that, oh this is just terrible. You
Speaker 1: gotta fit.
Speaker 2: No, it's just like, no, okay, what are the little
Speaker 2: things that what are the tweaks that we can make
Speaker 2: for the places that we're trying to go right?
Speaker 1: Because you can't.
Speaker 2: It's just you know this from a from a style standpoint,
Speaker 2: you can't wear the same outfit to different places.
Speaker 1: Some places.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, if if I'm invited to the White House,
Speaker 2: I gotta get White House ready.
Speaker 1: Hey, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: So we were trying to elevate R and B music
Speaker 2: for him. I'm not trying to do it with everybody else.
Speaker 2: That's that wasn't our plan. It wasn't like, oh, well
Speaker 2: R and B is this so we now, I'm not
Speaker 2: telling y'all what to do. We have business together. We're
Speaker 2: partners in our business. He came up with the name
Speaker 2: R and B Money. I said, okay, listen, okay, so
Speaker 2: if we R and B Money, it gotta.
Speaker 3: Look like they gotta feel like it's what I said.
Speaker 1: About my show.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't let me. Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 2: These are the things that we have to do to
Speaker 2: get to the places where we're trying to go to.
Speaker 2: And because sometimes it's not just about the talent or
Speaker 2: the music, it's the surrounding things that propel those things
Speaker 2: to propel that thing.
Speaker 1: So now everybody now says, oh, well, now that I
Speaker 1: think you're fresh, you're talented.
Speaker 4: As hell, by the way you can see by the
Speaker 4: way you can see that, I could see that many
Speaker 4: years ago.
Speaker 1: It's tank.
Speaker 2: But I was literally looking at it from a consumer standpoint.
Speaker 2: What do I see when I see him?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What do I see when
Speaker 1: I see her? That's how I've always operated in business.
Speaker 3: You're like artists, development, you get it.
Speaker 1: It's where we all come from. That's where we all
Speaker 1: come from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's sometimes though, we we forget about
Speaker 2: that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you think labels and everybody should bring that back?
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, they should bring it back. But it all
Speaker 1: depends on the business that they're in, Right, If they're
Speaker 1: in the business of building career artists, then yes, for sure.
Speaker 4: But if they're just in the business resume around trying
Speaker 4: to get a job doing. Because I wanted to bring
Speaker 4: it back like Motown used to have.
Speaker 1: But now they're just like what they're just in the
Speaker 1: business of selling music a piece at a time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the artist technically doesn't matter. The development of the
Speaker 1: artists technically doesn't matter because they're getting hot off the
Speaker 1: phone getting.
Speaker 2: The only real option, honestly is to create it and
Speaker 2: then deliver it. That's I mean, honestly, I mean I
Speaker 2: understand your mindset of like, yeah, I send it to
Speaker 2: these labels, so because there's a check involved in that,
Speaker 2: in it and it keeps it going while you're while
Speaker 2: you're doing it.
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is.
Speaker 2: It's finding and developing it and then saying, hey, you
Speaker 2: know now, you guys got to pay a premium for
Speaker 2: it because because we're here now and this you see
Speaker 2: how polished you.
Speaker 1: Remember, remember that word, this was a word. Polished was
Speaker 1: a word a word.
Speaker 2: You don't hear it much anymore, that artist polished.
Speaker 1: We don't see it much no more.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, we don't want to
Speaker 2: Back in the day what they were one hundred.
Speaker 1: It was not.
Speaker 4: You had to have everybody that came out of the
Speaker 4: machine amazing.
Speaker 1: That's why that's a legendary label. Why those artists a
Speaker 1: legend because they took that time to develop. Now, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's it's just a quicker turnover piece of
Speaker 1: the time. So trying to sell that as I'm just
Speaker 1: going to come in and work with you, guys are
Speaker 1: for you. Guys within this space, You're not going to happen.
Speaker 1: They'll give you a headache.
Speaker 3: I have a clothing brand called Elkish.
Speaker 4: I mean my son's name backwards, Kyle ish Mail was
Speaker 4: his name. He passed away, so I took his name
Speaker 4: and I kind of inverted. So all my business endeavors
Speaker 4: now are dedicated to Kyle. You know, you lose a child,
Speaker 4: that's where you that's where your mind goes. So I
Speaker 4: still love style. I still love fashion a little bit,
Speaker 4: but I love style more than anything. So I have
Speaker 4: Eli Kish, which is athleisure and luxury lounge wear. So
Speaker 4: this is like you can, you know, go from the
Speaker 4: couch to the cabana, you know, if you want to
Speaker 4: throw it on and you go, you know, from your
Speaker 4: pool and say let's take a flight and you can
Speaker 4: throw it on some shoes and you're cute, still comfy,
Speaker 4: cozy clothing, and then I'm doing animation. Yeah, I'm getting
Speaker 4: an animation world. So I'm writing stories, you know. I
Speaker 4: have on my second but I've written two books already.
Speaker 4: The books here, I stand in a beautiful State. That's
Speaker 4: my memoir about my life, how I got into styling,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And then I have white Bras
Speaker 4: and one hundred and one style faux pause. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm killing funny. I talk about lace fronts, etiquette on planes.
Speaker 4: Don't bring a hot as that because think about yo,
Speaker 4: don't raise it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I talk about that choke you. I will cure
Speaker 3: you about some curry that and guess what.
Speaker 4: The food may taste good to you, but to the
Speaker 4: passenger it stinks. Or coming into a space and being
Speaker 4: loud and obnoxious. I hated it turned you because style
Speaker 4: is not just what you wear.
Speaker 3: It's the manner in what you do things.
Speaker 4: Your style. That's that's your style of a person. How
Speaker 4: you just how you move. So I talk about how
Speaker 4: you move your style. So my book White bra so
Speaker 4: I have that. I did that first and then I
Speaker 4: wrote my memoir. Now I'm doing animated children's book as
Speaker 4: a whole series, The Odd Life of Kyle Lyles is cool.
Speaker 4: Going to be pop culture heavy, style heavy, of course,
Speaker 4: and it'll have learning and teachable moments for the kids
Speaker 4: when they read each episode and each you know, hopefully
Speaker 4: it'll be a cartoon.
Speaker 3: That's what we're working on getting.
Speaker 1: I mean we of course we're going to support you,
Speaker 1: but we would love to have some of that on
Speaker 1: on our bodies. Yeah, some athletes here, because I keep
Speaker 1: that's a pleasure right there.
Speaker 2: And then you got your show coming on TV.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
Speaker 1: with the Rosie cheeks. Let the television. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god, let the.
Speaker 4: I am going to be on a show on we TV.
Speaker 4: I'm just really trying to promote my business. I'm just
Speaker 4: here so I get fine. No, yeah, it's called Bold
Speaker 4: and Bougie. We're going to we TV February fifteenth premiere.
Speaker 4: I'm just nervous cause you know, when the edit it,
Speaker 4: you don't know what's going to happen. So I may
Speaker 4: be go from cool, you'd be like she needs some style.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, I didn't even say it like that.
Speaker 4: So you know, bold and Bold and Boosh we TV.
Speaker 1: Bold and Boosh. I know I already know what's so scared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know it's some bad and boo, you know bad
Speaker 1: there ain't working.
Speaker 3: That's what all everybody does now, So I'm not talking.
Speaker 1: You ain't see that fit. You know, I don't even
Speaker 1: know how that works right there, They're gonna find a
Speaker 1: way to work. I don't care. What your don't know.
Speaker 4: Is why wouldn't that become a thing besides back in Africa.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if the first togist in America
Speaker 4: the oldest genre to.
Speaker 2: That's a great that's a great question because that's you know,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say maybe in Adena Howard.
Speaker 5: But she wasn't working.
Speaker 3: She wasn't she was freaking more sexy?
Speaker 1: Can we sexy? Can we give it to Uncle Luke?
Speaker 4: They were starting they were uncle.
Speaker 1: They used to travel with them. I used to love
Speaker 1: saving lives that they was turning boys to me, ain't
Speaker 1: nobody tripping out of Uncle Luke? We all Mennonized. We
Speaker 1: are good.
Speaker 3: I don't know where I was.
Speaker 5: I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I was a mom and they putting the freaknik Uh documentary,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 4: Know what, I was already a mom. I wasn't in
Speaker 4: Atlanta yet, I was styling. I was started heavy during Freaknik.
Speaker 4: I was getting money back then. That's when the budgets
Speaker 4: made sense, when.
Speaker 1: The budgets made sense. Yeah, what she got over there, Champ.
Speaker 1: She's been around a lot of music a long time,
Speaker 1: a lot of artists. Yeah yeah, I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, in her journeys. What do you think of
Speaker 1: putting that ship on and putting that ship on people? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you music while you're doing that. She's uh, she's she's
Speaker 1: found some favorites. So here on the Army Money Podcast,
Speaker 1: we like to we like to ask those questions to
Speaker 1: make a who Show Top fun your top five, top five?
Speaker 1: Your top five are beasing all this song?
Speaker 5: All them?
Speaker 1: No we want b's got the close and put it
Speaker 1: off on the show. You've got to tell me your talk. Yes,
Speaker 1: Rache the brink.
Speaker 5: Five mind Yeah, I share a birthday.
Speaker 1: Mika chocolate, chocolate, all the chocolate. Okay, who is your
Speaker 1: top five? R N the singers all time?
Speaker 3: Male and female?
Speaker 1: You can make.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm biased.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, you.
Speaker 3: Crack up in no particular orders. Layla Hathaway, crack up.
Speaker 1: It's amazing to start there.
Speaker 4: It's a raspy situation fire. Okay, that's not fair because
Speaker 4: you got Laila, then you got Jazmine.
Speaker 1: Okay, come on, talk to you gotta go fast, come on,
Speaker 1: talk to talk. Yeah sure, okay, come on now, okay,
Speaker 1: come on now, yeah, they go three. I respect it.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Gotta be in there, come on, come on,
Speaker 3: come on, chromes in there with the Crown king in
Speaker 3: there because you were singing.
Speaker 4: Talented individual all right, my last one because I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna count Mike or Prince because they popped me.
Speaker 3: They're more than.
Speaker 1: You. Do that.
Speaker 3: I know you gotta.
Speaker 1: Don't give them people are king. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to give it to them.
Speaker 1: Jackson said it. Okay, that's all.
Speaker 3: That's Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: The muscles.
Speaker 4: That ain't fair because okay, I lived with that. I'm
Speaker 4: saying I got about four because I ain't say Patty
Speaker 4: and nobody, but okay, my people, it's like my people.
Speaker 3: Patty is my mama.
Speaker 1: That's listen. Give me Patty too now that of course,
Speaker 1: give me young Patty.
Speaker 3: That's my girl.
Speaker 1: She used to be.
Speaker 4: She still she'll call me and be like, I don't
Speaker 4: care what you're doing on King Labor.
Speaker 3: I got these Grammys. I'm going to I'll be like.
Speaker 2: When she calls you next time, tell her that the
Speaker 2: R and B Money Podcast need for Sure on the
Speaker 2: show listen.
Speaker 1: I like Philadelphia. If I need to go to Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: I go to Philadelpia will cook for y'all, love food.
Speaker 1: I stay home.
Speaker 4: All I'm gonna say is considerate done all that's my family.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you Street Publishing for when I
Speaker 1: use say. I'm gonna say it's considerate period. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna add that we got when you don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: it's not here. We go your top five R and
Speaker 1: B songs, the.
Speaker 3: Jam, the times they're not people her her okay.
Speaker 1: Listening let them then you're let them discover it.
Speaker 4: Y'all gonna be mad. But guess what song I like
Speaker 4: before I met you?
Speaker 3: Do you know the song.
Speaker 1: Before I met you? Who's before I met you?
Speaker 3: It's on the Here I Stand album Liberian Girl.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I used to love Liberian Girl. Yeah. I think I
Speaker 1: played him like twenty or thirty times in a row
Speaker 1: one day. It's a love that song.
Speaker 4: Needa Baker got to feel the need in me, feel
Speaker 4: the need you going there?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, we gotta feel good music got as.
Speaker 3: And then I couldn't love you more.
Speaker 1: M hmm. You're gonna go from a need to shot
Speaker 1: my playlist. Yeah, this is a Jesus with a song.
Speaker 3: That's such a song vibe if time was running out, I.
Speaker 1: Just talk about vibes. I mean she is about oh
Speaker 1: my God, something something about Hathaway. We got five, we
Speaker 1: got take that. Okay, let's do this. We do a
Speaker 1: thing called a vultron R and B vultron. It's an
Speaker 1: R and B super artist where you take different elements
Speaker 1: of different artists and make one artist. So you would
Speaker 1: have to get the vocal from an artist, the performance
Speaker 1: style from an artist, the styling from an artist, and
Speaker 1: the passion of the artist, the heart of the artist.
Speaker 1: Who would you get for your vocal one artist to
Speaker 1: build your super R and B artist.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, nobody's going to argue that she's so.
Speaker 1: Bad performance style on stage? Sum Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: The styling, come on, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's cool. I love that. I love that, the passion
Speaker 1: of the artists, the heart of the artists.
Speaker 3: You can have two for that one.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can't.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can't beyon. There's some hard working people.
Speaker 4: I will say, hands down, I don't know people that
Speaker 4: work like I sign up to sundown kind of working
Speaker 4: like never tired, like round the clock, must be done,
Speaker 4: must be done, and we'll get it done. They're chasing
Speaker 4: perfection perfectionists, Yeah, chasing.
Speaker 1: But you you if there's that, that's that's a separation.
Speaker 1: I promise you it's a separation.
Speaker 4: If I could say this, hands down, that is the key.
Speaker 4: You know there's a person that can outwork you. Yep,
Speaker 4: they will outwork you. They just they will outwork you.
Speaker 1: It's you can tell where they are, they.
Speaker 3: Will out work you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna You're gonna add that extra segment for who's
Speaker 1: Who's Who's gonna style the artists?
Speaker 3: Not because that's too much.
Speaker 1: Not me.
Speaker 3: I really love whose fantasious style is? His name is?
Speaker 1: I love who's doing the work right now, right now,
Speaker 1: right now, I love him whoever I know who is
Speaker 1: either because somebody just mentioned fantasious.
Speaker 3: Great the other day, he's great, You're great. God, I
Speaker 3: hate that.
Speaker 1: M gonna. I mean, I will say what the last
Speaker 1: year or.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, cooking only because the camera's on, I can't
Speaker 4: remember it because please don't take it as a sign
Speaker 4: of disrespect, because I have.
Speaker 3: Told him you, I've tagged him. What is his d hawk?
Speaker 3: You're killing it?
Speaker 1: Cooking, Yes, cooking, cooking. We got we got, we got
Speaker 1: one more thing this, but we get out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, come on, I'm gonna take the church.
Speaker 1: About to go to the church. Take the check. I
Speaker 1: ain't saying non Hey, I ain't saying no names. Ain't
Speaker 1: saying no names. No na, who was? Who was weird?
Speaker 1: What you did? Don't say?
Speaker 7: She sat always breaking?
Speaker 3: So I can't stand what did he break?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 5: Key?
Speaker 1: He can afford it?
Speaker 4: Key rule?
Speaker 2: So yes, so this uh, speaking of rules, the rule
Speaker 2: to this game is you can't say no names. So
Speaker 2: you tell us a story funny or fucked up? Are
Speaker 2: funny and fucked up?
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm?
Speaker 1: And the journeys.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, town business herself huh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: If you don't say no names, you ain't.
Speaker 5: Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And the only rude to the game is just can't
Speaker 2: say no names. Give us one, Come on, give us some.
Speaker 3: What's a question? Get to it?
Speaker 1: It ain't no questions.
Speaker 2: You you tell us a story without saying no names.
Speaker 2: It's a funny our fuck up story are funny and
Speaker 2: fucked up story.
Speaker 1: No names, no name, that's all. It's very simple.
Speaker 3: I had a client. Here we go like here go.
Speaker 4: I have client that once wanted to wear something so
Speaker 4: badly that they could not fit this garment. So they
Speaker 4: did their album cover and the entire back of the
Speaker 4: jacket was cut open and reassembled by just what I
Speaker 4: would refer to as nar Riannarrian.
Speaker 3: It's a nigg rigged outfit.
Speaker 1: So the outfit has no back to it.
Speaker 3: Should there have been a drone, we all have gone home.
Speaker 1: What Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just cut the back out whole album cover. This
Speaker 3: is a great album. People love it and know it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, she's he or she is backless.
Speaker 1: Wow. For the drip.
Speaker 3: For the drip, it was not near this person's size,
Speaker 3: but we from the front it definitely was.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: That tells you how far we go for the rip,
Speaker 3: for the drip and and for the image.
Speaker 1: Add to that, if it was a consignment piece or
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 4: Now you gotta buy it, well you can't buy it,
Speaker 4: like if it's a sample and it's something that's not
Speaker 4: out yet.
Speaker 3: And we're pre season, which we generally were. You can't
Speaker 3: buy it, you just pretty gotta explain or you got
Speaker 3: to have it read. You assembled before, Well you can
Speaker 3: reassemble it before.
Speaker 1: They can't reassemble the jacket on the scene.
Speaker 5: What do you mean.
Speaker 3: Jackets have seen kind of jacket any jack you're.
Speaker 1: In the back.
Speaker 3: Well, no, because that's not fair neo pre that's not fair.
Speaker 1: On but she kicked she kicking that knowledge right now.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what what? What is what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the fabrication. He can go diving in it.
Speaker 1: You can go to school. I wish he would cracking up.
Speaker 1: He my dad would be like, come up the water
Speaker 1: like this on you come man. He just gave him
Speaker 1: a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Get your goggles, rich me.
Speaker 1: Some goggles.
Speaker 4: See I sell games to be sold though, Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: definitely go.
Speaker 3: Strike that from the record.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna twenty five right because he need the other
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 3: You know what, that's actually the dope, bad idea.
Speaker 1: It's really dope.
Speaker 3: Was My brain though, is rapid fire like that.
Speaker 4: And that's why I don't be talking on He's god
Speaker 4: damn podcast you're talking.
Speaker 1: About he's talking on our to me and Scob Steve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alcleman tank.
Speaker 4: That's a whole campaign though for those now I think
Speaker 4: about it, Oh, I just thought of a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of sh oh rich hollo at me because richt us
Speaker 4: now us.
Speaker 1: Now we are because because I managed manage, I managed
Speaker 1: the idea to think, thank you coming to get it right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really dope platform you guys have.
Speaker 1: Thank you, And I think it was.
Speaker 5: Just you know for us, like.
Speaker 1: First you're you are the first style icon to be
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, no more.
Speaker 1: Jealous said we want to we want to give some want.
Speaker 3: They all get able to take all the credit. And
Speaker 3: then you know I had got the hanger that you
Speaker 3: put that on the you were first.
Speaker 4: They will come, They be coming with was the one
Speaker 4: that ran and got the lips coming.
Speaker 1: In here to undermine what you have created?
Speaker 3: They do they do every day. I see, I hear it.
Speaker 1: Listen you.
Speaker 4: I mean my class call me like was it you
Speaker 4: they got the jacket or was it her that got
Speaker 4: Like I'm not one to put the custom buttons on
Speaker 4: it in the embroidery and the yeah so yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Listen to Mika my birthday twin yeah, uh twenty four
Speaker 1: birthday twin twenty four years in. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: always been love.
Speaker 4: I know, I love all of my clients. Can I
Speaker 4: tell you everybody have ever styled? They're like family because
Speaker 4: it's it goes, it transcends your style and dressing and
Speaker 4: socks and whatever in bibbles. It's it's it's kind of
Speaker 4: a mindset again, a meeting of the minds. And we
Speaker 4: talk and we'll be and I'll be like you think
Speaker 4: you know, we've been in the trailer, like I don't
Speaker 4: think that. Nah, that color is not going that's gonna
Speaker 4: look terrible on camera.
Speaker 3: You see all that going on.
Speaker 4: You don't want to have those patterns moving. So, like
Speaker 4: we really talk and get into it's kind of psychological.
Speaker 4: So you know, people always ask like, how do you
Speaker 4: marry one of your clients?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I know you know, but
Speaker 3: that's how because you become very very good.
Speaker 1: For me to start sharing that space, you really do,
Speaker 1: and you become.
Speaker 4: Really really close friends and you gotta hang out whatever whatever,
Speaker 4: and then here we are, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It just happens, you're like BFFs. We really become close.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well you my dog, my dog, and we
Speaker 1: appreciate you. And I appreciate you for doing it because
Speaker 1: we talked about it. I told you want to have
Speaker 1: you on yeah, and you said you can come and
Speaker 1: you can thank you, and so we really appreciate it
Speaker 1: because it's like it's the information that these these young
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs need and a lot of this information it transcends
Speaker 1: all workspaces. It's true, you know what I mean, the
Speaker 1: biggest one, biggest lesson of them all. It's just hard work.
Speaker 1: It's hard to the craft.
Speaker 4: And if I were to get one tidbit of advice
Speaker 4: to any when you are working with anybody that you
Speaker 4: you know you're aspiring a style or assist or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, remain professional.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Professionalism is so important because it's easy in such a
Speaker 4: personal job to kind of cross the lines, you know,
Speaker 4: and kind of like if they hear you talking and
Speaker 4: chime in like, hey, you know, don't do it, YEA
Speaker 4: mine live long in this business seriously, So I always
Speaker 4: try to tell me professionalism is key, and present yourself
Speaker 4: in such a way that you want you know that
Speaker 4: you want to win.
Speaker 3: And that wants you back.
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