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Speaker 2: What's Up QLs listeners, This is Sugar Steve. Thank you
Speaker 2: for tuning in to part two of our interview with
Speaker 2: Paradise Gray. Dice is a leading hip hop historian, a
Speaker 2: member of the Ex Klan, and a true raconteur of
Speaker 2: the culture. Before this, though, listen to part one, where
Speaker 2: Paradise Gray discusses his Bronx upbringing his earliest hip hop memories,
Speaker 2: and making his inroads to help making the Latin Quarter a.
Speaker 1: Legendary nineteen eighties landmark for rap.
Speaker 2: Take It Away, Team Supreme and Paradise Gray.
Speaker 1: All right, So the question I want to ask you
Speaker 1: is what does this sound represent?
Speaker 3: You ready?
Speaker 4: Yes? Goes? That's it by Sex and Sonic.
Speaker 3: What does it represent?
Speaker 4: That's the Latin Quarter, That was the Latin Quarter. Anthem that.
Speaker 1: But explain to our listeners what happens when this comes
Speaker 1: o see what does that mean? For?
Speaker 4: See that? And it used to start to you know,
Speaker 4: it used to start go Brooklyn, Go Brooklyn, and it
Speaker 4: was a signal for fifty cent and the Brooklyn Crew
Speaker 4: that go wild starts snatching chains and going wild in
Speaker 4: the club, which.
Speaker 1: Leads to my next question, and I've We've had every
Speaker 1: luminary of the Latin quarters from Special Led to like
Speaker 1: literally everyone's come on the show and I asked them
Speaker 1: the same thing, knowing the likelihood.
Speaker 4: Of why did they play it?
Speaker 1: No, knowing the likelihood of something about to break out,
Speaker 1: a punch, a snatch, chains, chaos. Why would you risk
Speaker 1: your life for the love of hip hop? Why would
Speaker 1: you risk your life for them?
Speaker 4: Go there? Yes, because if you didn't go there, you
Speaker 4: was a punk dude it to. First of all, the
Speaker 4: Latin quarrier was all about location, location, location. It was
Speaker 4: right in the middle of Times Square, bro Like, right
Speaker 4: in the middle of forty eighth Street between Broadway and
Speaker 4: Seventh Avenue.
Speaker 5: Okay, this building is where the ball drops.
Speaker 4: Right then you got a big empty space where they
Speaker 4: fill up during New Year's Right then there was another
Speaker 4: building that had the Coca Cola bottle on it. The
Speaker 4: Latin coler was in that building. It was right in
Speaker 4: the middle of Times Square, the busiest place in New
Speaker 4: York City bar none. Right, But what was about Times Square?
Speaker 4: Time Square was all about sex, drugs, and violence. The
Speaker 4: American dream as American as apple and cherry pie. If
Speaker 4: people don't understand nothing else. They understand sex, drugs, and violence.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what I did in Latin Quarters. Okay,
Speaker 4: you have in one hour, you have more traffic passed
Speaker 4: by our club than anywhere in the world.
Speaker 5: Right, So I took advantage of that.
Speaker 4: I used to advertise ladies free before eleven, right, and
Speaker 4: then I would make the lady's line go slow as hell.
Speaker 4: I would open the ladies line at ten to eleven,
Speaker 4: so every male driving by Times square a line of
Speaker 4: women going all the way around the block trying to
Speaker 4: get in free.
Speaker 5: And then I cheated again.
Speaker 4: I will walk that line, and all the most beautiful
Speaker 4: women and all the women who had the least clothes on,
Speaker 4: I would bring them to the front of the line.
Speaker 1: That's how it started.
Speaker 2: I love this guy.
Speaker 4: So next week, every chick in that line looked like
Speaker 4: Vanity six and everybody, I'm like, yo, I don't know
Speaker 4: where you're going tonight, but I'm going there.
Speaker 1: Who was your closest competition during this period between when's.
Speaker 4: The beginning racket eighty five? Really, they want to hear
Speaker 4: some crazy stuff. The real run of Latin Quarters that
Speaker 4: I had was eighty six to eighty eight two years.
Speaker 5: It was two and a half years. In two and
Speaker 5: a half years.
Speaker 4: That much impact incubated the golden era of hip hop.
Speaker 4: It seemed like it was fifteen years.
Speaker 3: Thought it was seven to eight.
Speaker 4: No, there was the Africa Islam and other people would
Speaker 4: do shows at Latin Quarters, but it was not a
Speaker 4: hip hop club. The Latin Quarters were the first and
Speaker 4: only legitimate hip hop dance club. Our competition that opened
Speaker 4: a few months after US was Union Square. They had
Speaker 4: Red Alert before I did well. Red work with me
Speaker 4: a little bit, but he worked at Union Square. He
Speaker 4: helped make that pop. But the difference was it was
Speaker 4: fourteenth Street, which is close to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Curious, I'm curious what is the going rate to hire
Speaker 1: Red Alert to be your Friday night DJ and how
Speaker 1: long is he spending for.
Speaker 4: Red Alert used to come directly off of the air
Speaker 4: at Kiss on Friday night and go directly to the
Speaker 4: Latin Quarter and he would DJ for maybe he would
Speaker 4: get to the club around twelve midnight, like about fifteen
Speaker 4: after twelve, and he would DJ as much as he won.
Speaker 4: I had like four five house DJs that also dj there,
Speaker 4: so whenever Red took a break, you know, the party
Speaker 4: kept going. But I don't know if I want to divulge.
Speaker 4: Red paid this time. It was this way, it was,
Speaker 4: it was uh, it was the top of the game
Speaker 4: for the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, can you make a real living?
Speaker 1: Can you make a four figure living for a high three?
Speaker 4: He ain't taking okay now, but he already had a
Speaker 4: job at Kiss Radio, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 4: was the top djai on the radio.
Speaker 1: We now live in the era where a Diplo or
Speaker 1: Skrills makes two point five million, tell me about it, or.
Speaker 3: You know, in the case of Pretty Lights makes.
Speaker 5: We he'll make that every week.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Pretty.
Speaker 1: Lights only spends ten times a year. He must meet
Speaker 1: his price. He ain't coming so thus he meant to remember.
Speaker 4: We were struggling to exist back in these days. Remember
Speaker 4: hip hop. We was being dish left and right, you
Speaker 4: know by Elder Winford, Marsallis and James and two May
Speaker 4: and Larry Blackman from Cameo. They were talking mad shit
Speaker 4: about hip hop. They were haters. Yeah, but James and
Speaker 4: Toomey wound up being one of my best friends because
Speaker 4: my elder edwin Bird's song brought us together and I
Speaker 4: had a few conversations with James, and he understood what
Speaker 4: we were trying to do, and he started advising us
Speaker 4: and supporting us. But the biggest supporter that saved hip
Speaker 4: hop was none other than elder Harry Belafonte. Rest in
Speaker 4: pe Smster.
Speaker 6: Beach talk about it, educate real quick.
Speaker 4: Harry Belafonte produced Beach Street when all the other elders
Speaker 4: were shitting on us.
Speaker 5: Radio stations had taglines.
Speaker 4: Like no rap and they would play our instrumentals and
Speaker 4: not play our vocals. They were totally dissing us. We're
Speaker 4: not real musicians. We just steal their shit. You know,
Speaker 4: we don't We don't sing. You know, what we do
Speaker 4: is that dibbit when y'all gonna sing? You know.
Speaker 5: Then we were so disrespected.
Speaker 1: What are your top five live performance moments at the
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter?
Speaker 4: Wow, that's hard. Top five, no particular rock, Sanne Chante,
Speaker 4: biz Markie and Big Daddy came. Okay, and then later
Speaker 4: Big Daddy came on his own a name my book,
Speaker 4: No half stepping. Because Big Daddy came was the epitome
Speaker 4: of the Latin Quarter. What was it about him? He
Speaker 4: had everything? He had, the jewelry, he had, the haircut,
Speaker 4: He had the look, the dance, the voice, the lyrical dexterity,
Speaker 4: and he had Marley Maul's beats, unfunckiable. Big Daddy came
Speaker 4: with nothing to mess with. You could not follow him
Speaker 4: at Latin Quarters.
Speaker 1: Did you know was he feared or respected? In other words,
Speaker 1: if you're like watching the show, I'm assuming you're watching
Speaker 1: from the booth or whatever, don't I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the.
Speaker 4: Put it. This way, car Ris won this everybody. He
Speaker 4: dis the Juice Crew, but he did not this Big
Speaker 4: Daddy came and Big Daddy Kane wrote some of Sean
Speaker 4: Tay's This record against kr Ris one interesting. But it
Speaker 4: was a Latin Quarter family. You know, they had become
Speaker 4: family at the LQ. We didn't go against each other
Speaker 4: at the LQ. It was like the only thing that
Speaker 4: we don't have now that we had back then is
Speaker 4: each other. If twenty artists got on stage and performed
Speaker 4: that night, at the end of the day when the
Speaker 4: club is closing, or twenty of those artists that perform
Speaker 4: was still in the damn club. Nowadays you put five
Speaker 4: artists after they performed, I mean they leave and take
Speaker 4: their people that came to see them with them. Not
Speaker 4: at LQ. We stayed from the time that club open
Speaker 4: to the time it closed. Sometimes we closed eight nine
Speaker 4: in the morning. You know what I'm saying. And you
Speaker 4: know it's still be deep in the club. Whenever we
Speaker 4: close the door, we will lock the door at five.
Speaker 4: Ain't nobody else getting in. But if you already in there, man,
Speaker 4: the owner already bounced to let's keep the party going.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 3: Now I'm you know.
Speaker 1: In the nineties and especially in the arts, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know of any club night existence without the fire
Speaker 1: marshal coming in to shut it down. You know, the
Speaker 1: inspector coming to see you. Guys never had those problems whatsoever. No,
Speaker 1: they didn't know that even they didn't know you guys existed.
Speaker 4: Or oh they knew we existed. You run in the
Speaker 4: middle of a time square. You couldn't help but notice us,
Speaker 4: you know. Uh, well, we had plenty of police on
Speaker 4: our payroll. We had six undercover cops as security, and
Speaker 4: a whole bunch more. And we had Mike Goldberg. It
Speaker 4: was such a brilliant business man. I loved that dude.
Speaker 4: And he gave a nineteen year old the keys to
Speaker 4: the club. Bro. Can you imagine you were nineteen at
Speaker 4: the time. I was nineteen years old when I saw
Speaker 4: running the Latin.
Speaker 1: Did you have any experience whatsoever in terms of negotiating
Speaker 1: or any of those things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I used to I used to be a street DJ.
Speaker 4: I was a hustler. I'm from Highbridge. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I was a pool shark, but Latin But
Speaker 4: I was hanging out way before Latin Quarter. I was
Speaker 4: learning from South Abatilla at the disco Fever. I'm watching him,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I'm talking to Jungbug and
Speaker 4: Courtges blowing all of them. Learning from Russell Simmons. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm working with Russell Simmons, Rush Productions and Depth dam
Speaker 4: and since nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in the studio with run dmc, Curtis,
Speaker 5: blow Ll cool J.
Speaker 4: I'm watching all of these things get created, and I'm
Speaker 4: learning every step of the way. I had Pete DJ
Speaker 4: Jones who owned a bar one block from my crib.
Speaker 4: I'm learning from him. When I'm seven eight years old,
Speaker 4: I'm twelve years old. I'm DJing in the bar.
Speaker 3: So what's can.
Speaker 1: You tell me what the general modus operandi or just
Speaker 1: the general operation.
Speaker 4: Of what it takes to keep.
Speaker 1: That operation going on your nights, in terms of what
Speaker 1: you're doing from Saturday to Thursday night. Like flyers calls
Speaker 1: managers money.
Speaker 4: I never dealt with managers. I never dealt with promoters.
Speaker 4: I never dealt with booking agents. All of the artists
Speaker 4: hang out with me before Latin Quarters. I was like
Speaker 4: the hip hop concierge.
Speaker 5: Of New York. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: On a Friday Saturday night, I'm hanging with Curtis Blow,
Speaker 4: Orange Juice, Jones, Run, DMC, the Fat Boys, Houdani. All
Speaker 4: these people are calling me, yo, dice, where the party at.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, hold on, let me see, Oh, tonight
Speaker 4: is popping at the funhouse. I'll go to the club early,
Speaker 4: let them know who I got coming later and when
Speaker 4: they could you.
Speaker 3: Go to other bars and lure them.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: So there was no like calling Carol Lewis or nah nah.
Speaker 4: We didn't do none of that. We dealt directly with
Speaker 4: the artists. They didn't have to pay no manager, they
Speaker 4: didn't have to pay no booking agent. And like you're
Speaker 4: already hanging out at the club right you drinking? You
Speaker 4: got a girl, you want to go to the hotel,
Speaker 4: you roll up a yo dice, but you put me on.
Speaker 4: I'd be like all right, And it was just like yeah,
Speaker 4: I go to Mike Goldberger and say your Mike just
Speaker 4: dice on the rock.
Speaker 5: It's like cool. I was like, let's let's give him
Speaker 5: eight hundred.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, Okay, no hotel, no limo, He's right here,
Speaker 4: right now here, go ahead. So we didn't really even
Speaker 4: have to book artists. They already was in the club,
Speaker 4: you know, and then you you couldn't touch us. You
Speaker 4: show up Friday, on Saturday, Mike Tyson's hanging out, Bobby
Speaker 4: Brown's in there hanging out. Cosmic kids out in there
Speaker 4: hanging out. Yeah, you know, Chris Rock's in there hanging out,
Speaker 4: you know, and every major and independent artist in New
Speaker 4: York is there. There was no place else to be. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think on this show Paradise, you should know that.
Speaker 6: I think where were we at twenty guests? At least
Speaker 6: twenty guests on this podcast alone. If told Latin quarter stories,
Speaker 6: and most of those people that you've already named.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, I got one that you haven't spoken to.
Speaker 4: Who was who was the coach, check girl, heaven.
Speaker 3: She might get start.
Speaker 6: We were like what you lived in the Latin She
Speaker 6: literally lived in.
Speaker 4: The Latin Quarter, and she she was homeless, and she
Speaker 4: used to sneak in the club, but I just didn't
Speaker 4: let her in anyway. And here's something that most people
Speaker 4: didn't know at the time.
Speaker 5: She was homeless.
Speaker 4: She was in an art program in the village for
Speaker 4: homeless youth. And her teacher and mentor was Keith Haring.
Speaker 1: What and to this day what Heather's art.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's better than Keith having dude.
Speaker 1: Her her entire apartment is just like a bunch of sculptures,
Speaker 1: a photographer I didn't even.
Speaker 4: Know her, and a painter, and her paintings you could
Speaker 4: tell they have keep having influence, but they just so
Speaker 4: more alive and compelling.
Speaker 3: Her apartments.
Speaker 1: Standing there at a museum, y'all done. But ye, murals
Speaker 1: and sculptures and all those things.
Speaker 6: And you had no idea fast forward that what she
Speaker 6: was going to evolve into in the I.
Speaker 1: Had a little bit of a clue.
Speaker 3: She was going to coach.
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you about X clam Man and like,
Speaker 7: how y'all.
Speaker 4: Formed at Latin courts? Really brother J and professor, you.
Speaker 3: Guys are regular dressing cats, and then you're here.
Speaker 4: I would never know regular dressing dude, flip through that book.
Speaker 1: I'm looking you guys went through a street where that
Speaker 1: morphed into shad a cover.
Speaker 3: Yes that's me. Then I know this.
Speaker 1: Then morton to me, but yeah, I do, I do
Speaker 1: want to know. Yeah, now you're in your sma, which
Speaker 1: is which is awesome. Yeah, but how did the band formed?
Speaker 4: I was working at the Latin Quarter and Lamomba Professor
Speaker 4: x Overseer aka Lamomba Carson. He called Heidi Smith from
Speaker 4: Rush Productions earlier in the day and he asked her
Speaker 4: if he could get some of their groups to perform
Speaker 4: at a fundraiser for anti drug concert in Brooklyn, and
Speaker 4: she was like.
Speaker 5: No, we don't do that kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 5: He's like really, She was like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to find artists who are more young
Speaker 4: and independent, you know, because our artists do concert series
Speaker 4: and we don't do charity like that. So she said,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. Go to Latin Quarters and and
Speaker 4: see paradise. He knows all the new artists and he'll
Speaker 4: probably be able to help you put a show together.
Speaker 4: She called me put him on the guest list, and
Speaker 4: he showed up one day and I let him in free,
Speaker 4: and he wound up becoming my partner because he talked
Speaker 4: to me. He saw the energy that we had at
Speaker 4: the club, and I helped him do event in Prospect Park, Brooklyn,
Speaker 4: and I brought half the artists from the Latin Quarter
Speaker 4: to the park, including Statsasonic, Ultra Magnetic Boogie Down production.
Speaker 4: It was crazy. We had like forty fifty thousand people
Speaker 4: show up in the park, no violence, and we tore
Speaker 4: it down and raised a whole bunch of money for
Speaker 4: the anti crack organization that we was working with.
Speaker 5: And from that moment, he was like paradise.
Speaker 4: If we could bring this youthful energy to my father's movement,
Speaker 4: we could change everything. And I was like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 4: We're gonna make money, I hope, so I'm like cool.
Speaker 4: So he took me to the Slave Theater and on
Speaker 4: Fulton Street in bed Star and Al Sharpton, Reverend Al
Speaker 4: Sharpton used to own that theater and do rallies there.
Speaker 4: So today I went to meet his father Sonny Carson.
Speaker 4: They were doing a rally there and I walked through
Speaker 4: the door and I thought I had stepped into a
Speaker 4: time machine or a Saturday Night Live skip because all
Speaker 4: the elders was in there. They had big silver afros
Speaker 4: and they was wearing Dashiki's and here I am. I
Speaker 4: got hazel contact lendsers, Jemmy curl diamond rings. I got
Speaker 4: a fur coat on, a Louis Baton tam, a Louis
Speaker 4: Baton sweater, you know what I mean. I had some
Speaker 4: brown shark skin soup pants, you know. So I go
Speaker 4: in there and I'm looking at them like they was
Speaker 4: in costumes. I'm all costumed out myself right. The mom
Speaker 4: what takes me over to introduce me to his father.
Speaker 4: He says, a brother, Sonny, this is my homeboy, Paradise
Speaker 4: I was telling you about. Sonny stares at me without
Speaker 4: saying nothing, looks me in my eyes, and he looks
Speaker 4: follows down head to toe, and then he looks at
Speaker 4: me and says, what kind of name is Paradise for
Speaker 4: a nigga? I said, well, actually, it's not a name.
Speaker 4: It's an invocation of my goals. I'm trying to achieve
Speaker 4: Paradise in my life. So every time someone says that name,
Speaker 4: it reminds me of my goals. He's smiled, did a
Speaker 4: deep lad. He said, Oh, you're a smart nigga too.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. You see that door that you
Speaker 4: walked in. If I was you, I'd walk out that
Speaker 4: door fast as I came in here, because if you
Speaker 4: stick around here, we're gonna mess up everything you think,
Speaker 4: you know. I was like really, He was like yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, I think I'll stick around for a minute.
Speaker 4: And he smiled at me and gave me the deep
Speaker 4: belly laugh. Sonny Carson had moved Fossa's voice. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. When Sonny speak, you know the police
Speaker 4: and anybody else do that.
Speaker 5: Sonny Carson was no joke. Baby, my elder.
Speaker 1: I literally didn't know that that was his his son
Speaker 1: Now makes sense, Yeah, Sonny Carson, Lamumba Carson.
Speaker 6: Was he right about what your life and how you
Speaker 6: should have walked out?
Speaker 4: It had changed? Hell? Yeah? And the beautiful thing about
Speaker 4: it is him or the elders never mentioned my hazel contacts.
Speaker 4: They never mentioned my gold and diamonds and the flamboyant
Speaker 4: way I dressed. They just responded to my intelligence and
Speaker 4: my promotion and marketing skills, and they just taught me
Speaker 4: who I was, so I got rid of the costume
Speaker 4: on my own. I didn't need it anymore.
Speaker 7: How did brother Jay? He was just one of my
Speaker 7: favorite MC's man and he had just that voice. Yeah,
Speaker 7: working on the first album, man, Like, how how did
Speaker 7: that come about?
Speaker 4: Sugar Chef used to be one of the violators. Oh okay.
Speaker 4: He used to hang with Chris Lighty and them dudes
Speaker 4: were Read Alert and he was one of the guys
Speaker 4: that would carry Red crates and records from the radio
Speaker 4: station to the Latin Quarter. One day, you know, he
Speaker 4: was on the subway, the two train going to Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: I was on the same train. We got off the
Speaker 4: train at the same stop. We looked at each other.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, where you live? He said, I
Speaker 4: live right around the corner. I said, yeah, I live
Speaker 4: right here. So he stopped going there in quartered with
Speaker 4: Red Alerts riding with me, and we became really good friends.
Speaker 4: And he kept telling me about his homeboy brother Jay,
Speaker 4: who was really good as a rapper and all this,
Speaker 4: and that I really wasn't working with artists on that
Speaker 4: level anymore, developing them, but him and Sugar Sad was
Speaker 4: like seventeen years old, and I kind of let them
Speaker 4: hang with me.
Speaker 1: Wait he was seventeen with that voice, brother Jay motherfuckers
Speaker 1: sounded like my dad wrote.
Speaker 4: To the East black Wood was when he was seventeen
Speaker 4: years old and spit it when he was eighteen. How
Speaker 4: about that?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: So when people make excuses and say, oh, dudes are young,
Speaker 4: and I no.
Speaker 3: But that's like with x Claan.
Speaker 1: To me, I just looked at him like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: forty old pay y'all just looked like y'all looked like
Speaker 1: my cool ass uncles.
Speaker 4: Professor X was probably your cool last uncle, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? He was folder than.
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was older than one of y'all.
Speaker 4: Damn brother to the definitely brother Jane sugar Shaft from
Speaker 4: my Little Brothers.
Speaker 1: Since you mentioned it now, one of our most infamous
Speaker 1: Latin quarter guests, sir mc search you still searching for.
Speaker 4: That guy where you go right right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: But wait wait, but no, no, no, But this also
Speaker 1: involves Pete as well, because it just hit me when
Speaker 1: I brought the EP, the Cactus EP three strikes five thousand,
Speaker 1: was there were some shots fired at the X Clan
Speaker 1: organization and then of course I forget the song the
Speaker 1: song where you guys start with pop goes the weasel?
Speaker 4: What was the.
Speaker 1: Unspoken, indirect, non passive aggressive shots fired between those clans?
Speaker 1: And I guess also if you want.
Speaker 4: To add it between love and hey.
Speaker 1: But also today when I was listening to sex and Violence,
Speaker 1: there was some satisfied there too, like so wait, what
Speaker 1: happened between.
Speaker 4: When I first met Prime Minister Pete Nice. He was
Speaker 4: seventeen years old and he was going to Boys and
Speaker 4: Girls High School and he was managed by a gentleman
Speaker 4: named Robert Lamumba Carson Professor X before X clan really
Speaker 4: and he was in a group called sin Quinn and right.
Speaker 4: And then once Professor X met me, now he had
Speaker 4: access to care as one big daddy came just Nice.
Speaker 4: He neglected the groups he already was managing, right, which
Speaker 4: Pete Nice was one of them. So MC search was
Speaker 4: hanging at the Latin Quarter with me and Pete Nice
Speaker 4: came to the Latin Quarter with Professor X. So Pete
Speaker 4: got frustrated because they didn't get any run or no focus.
Speaker 4: So Pete went to the moment and said, hey, deaf
Speaker 4: jam is interested in signing me if you're not gonna
Speaker 4: do nothing with me? Could you release me? And Professor
Speaker 4: X laughed him out the door and released him Death
Speaker 4: Jam's gonna sign you Ah, and Russell pulled the Beastie
Speaker 4: Boys two point zero. He took two independent artists that
Speaker 4: they were interested in and created Third Base. And Search
Speaker 4: was a cool dude, but he exaggerated a lot, and
Speaker 4: he was very popular at Latin Quarter okay, but he
Speaker 4: was not popular at Latin Quarter for rapping. He got
Speaker 4: popular at Latin no Oh as a joke. I used
Speaker 4: to host the shows, me and Read Alert and Bismarck.
Speaker 4: It would snap on each other, the warm the crowd up.
Speaker 4: And there was this real fat six foot three dudes
Speaker 4: in the crowd that called him heavy right. This dude
Speaker 4: was like butter and ice on the dance floor. He
Speaker 4: was so big, but he was so smooth, and so
Speaker 4: I would always pull him up on the stage to
Speaker 4: warm the crowd up. And while he would dance, run
Speaker 4: Alert would play some joints and I'd be like, go
Speaker 4: fat boy, go fat Boy, and the whole crowd be screaming,
Speaker 4: go fat Boy, go fat Boy, and MC Search game
Speaker 4: running can I go? I was like, oh God, here
Speaker 4: we go because mc search thought he could dance, but
Speaker 4: he had two left feet. He was cool with us.
Speaker 4: We liked him. He was our dude. He was a
Speaker 4: great guy, but he could not dance. He would dance,
Speaker 4: don't know. He would try and we.
Speaker 1: Would okay, with two left feet.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm trying to be Switzerland here.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm working on.
Speaker 3: And I got love for Peter.
Speaker 4: Corn was where brothers was dancing in that club. Dude,
Speaker 4: you're not their level period ever. So he would run
Speaker 4: on stage and Red would play dudey James and I
Speaker 4: would go gold, white boy, Gold white Boy go in.
Speaker 4: The crowd would go crazy, and they loved him.
Speaker 1: Novel to see the white guy with rhythm. He took
Speaker 1: advantage of that, right I.
Speaker 4: See, greatly. But then as he became third base, he
Speaker 4: seemed like he was trying to be a brother and
Speaker 4: he was going too.
Speaker 5: Far with it as far as we was concerned.
Speaker 4: Like when the camera zoomed up to the back of
Speaker 4: his head and he turned around like it's the other man,
Speaker 4: it was like, what what did you talking about? Dude?
Speaker 4: Like what are you doing? You know?
Speaker 5: So he was an ultimate.
Speaker 4: Culture vulture, but he was accepted because he hung out
Speaker 4: with us and we accepted him hanging with us, you know,
Speaker 4: then he did the group would wound up being our
Speaker 4: good friend m F. Doom and the logo was a
Speaker 4: coon face and we didn't like that. KMD. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it was it was
Speaker 4: a lot of cultural problem that we was having problems with.
Speaker 2: Amir mentioned the Hip Hop Museum in his roll call.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to touch on that a little bit
Speaker 2: for our listeners who may not know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Wait, I'll get there eventually, right, he still want to
Speaker 4: get to the part where Kenny Parker just did it.
Speaker 3: Right, I'll get there.
Speaker 1: Wait, you also didn't name the other four performers at
Speaker 1: the Latin Quarter. I was I'm starting not hoping to
Speaker 1: get the story of Melle Mail and the push ups
Speaker 1: or the sit ups.
Speaker 4: Melly Mail was the debo of the Latin Quarter. He
Speaker 4: was the filter. That's what I called him. If you
Speaker 4: got on stage and you was whag. Mellie Mail was Sandman,
Speaker 4: really self appointed Sandman. Him and Busy B were the
Speaker 4: most arrogant dudes ever. They were coming the club throwing
Speaker 4: elbows at dudes. Get out the way, get out the way.
Speaker 4: The champions here, the champions here. Ain't none of y'all
Speaker 4: getting no money tonight, and y'all ain't getting no puts
Speaker 4: he tonight. The champs is here, and you be on
Speaker 4: stage rocking. All of a sudden, you hit the crowd
Speaker 4: going crazy. You're like, oh, I'm doing it tonight. And
Speaker 4: then you take a look to the sign and Mellie
Speaker 4: mel standing there with his shirt off, Muscle Simmons in
Speaker 4: his full glory. Then he started doing push ups real
Speaker 4: quick while you're.
Speaker 3: Trying to do a show.
Speaker 1: You like, So he's working out on the side of
Speaker 1: the stage, you know, on the stage.
Speaker 4: He's on the stage with you now doing.
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to name some of the artists that
Speaker 1: he disrespected, who remembers them?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: Were there some artists that performed him again?
Speaker 4: They disappeared? He sure him all right, you know, he
Speaker 4: jumped on his feet, snatched the mic and say red alert,
Speaker 4: put on some real hip hop. I'm tired of this bullshit.
Speaker 4: And then he would rock the house.
Speaker 6: And never cause a fight. Nobody ever wanted to fight
Speaker 6: him after they I'm just.
Speaker 3: So mused.
Speaker 4: It was only a couple of dudes that had the
Speaker 4: balls or the size to deal with Melly Mel Justice
Speaker 4: and King's son. They can handle him physically, but ain't
Speaker 4: nobody wanted to try that. Plus he's the goat this
Speaker 4: Grandma's and Melly mal a child is born. Damn you
Speaker 4: ain't got no wins there until one day Belly Mel
Speaker 4: jumped on the stage with that bragg of dose. I
Speaker 4: got five hundred dollars. Anybody in here wanted come get
Speaker 4: it right now?
Speaker 3: Oh y'all.
Speaker 4: He's looking at run DMC and LL and all of
Speaker 4: them like and then you heard the crowd go crazy,
Speaker 4: and you look and krs one was standing there like this, Okay, now,
Speaker 4: it already was some friction between the last generation and
Speaker 4: the new generation. The first shots across the bow that
Speaker 4: was successful was none other than LL cool J. LL
Speaker 4: was not having it Coolmo d iced tea whoever. He
Speaker 4: was not intimidated. And if you went at LL, he
Speaker 4: coming back at you. The first shots across the old
Speaker 4: school bow was by LL cool J. So he got
Speaker 4: it right here. It was right here, and it was bubbling,
Speaker 4: and then kr us one dropped the nail in the coffin.
Speaker 3: What happened that night like, can you describe, well, was
Speaker 3: it a song? Was n how the battle?
Speaker 4: I handed car us One the mic and krus One
Speaker 4: did a freestyle. First, he did this everybody in the
Speaker 4: club that he had beef with. He did about four
Speaker 4: people before going that Mail Rock, sand Sean tay Uh.
Speaker 4: He went at mc shan. Of course, coogi rap even
Speaker 4: you know, I am a professional.
Speaker 5: This is not a demo, Chris do a bunch of
Speaker 5: shots to grow.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I didn't even catch that. I am a professor.
Speaker 4: This is not it's a demo. It's a demos. It's
Speaker 4: the demos.
Speaker 3: I'm just catching that, see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So Chris was already set up to be that next
Speaker 4: dude because he had just smashed sh which was difficult
Speaker 4: to do because Sham was as popular as LL back
Speaker 4: in the day. Sha was not no easy noth to crack,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Sham was highly respected. And
Speaker 4: so Carrius One did a freestyle. He went at Mail
Speaker 4: and then he said, hey, yo, who won this battle
Speaker 4: and dropped the mic and the crowd went crazy and
Speaker 4: Melly mal he was so angry. The crowd was like
Speaker 4: going for Carris One, and he didn't even rhyme yet
Speaker 4: he start jumping up and down. It's not fair. I
Speaker 4: didn't get to go yet. I didn't get to go.
Speaker 4: I said, come on, y'all, this is melly Mao. You
Speaker 4: gotta least let the man spit. Mellie mal dug in
Speaker 4: that brilliant brain of his and came out with one
Speaker 4: of the dopest rhymes I ever heard. He was talking
Speaker 4: about spaceships and battling aliens and molecules and scientific facts,
Speaker 4: and he killed it. But the crowd was like no manoo,
Speaker 4: and some people cheered him. But Carris won won to day,
Speaker 4: and from that day on things started changing. You know,
Speaker 4: Big Daddy Cane got really ridiculous in there, rock him
Speaker 4: came out of nowhere on them. Check out my melody.
Speaker 4: You know, Eric beat for President Red Alert, banging that
Speaker 4: like over and over. It was a new day.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so what are the other three that you
Speaker 3: can name?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: Other three that got dissed by Meloy man.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: The other three like life changing performances that happened at the.
Speaker 4: Big Daddy came, man. Big Daddy came when he first
Speaker 4: came out with school and scrap. He changed the game. Bro.
Speaker 4: It was just I mean heavy dn of boys whoa
Speaker 4: when they rock miss the big stuff at Latin Quarters
Speaker 4: forget about it. Really yeah, man, that's so Sonic performed
Speaker 4: with my man Bobby Simmons with the live drum.
Speaker 5: That was crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just so many amazing, amazing performances,
Speaker 4: especially you know EPMD Bro. Oh my god. They used
Speaker 4: to tear the Latin Quarters down, and then out of
Speaker 4: nowhere came the native tongues. The tribe called Quest, the
Speaker 4: Jungle Brothers, Daylon Soul. So that could fly Onny Love
Speaker 4: it was born there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm only asking that because it seems to me
Speaker 1: that the Latin Quarter seems more hard of me no ob.
Speaker 3: Dapper dan variety.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly here comes like no backpackers. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I would figure like they were the nerves and duebs of.
Speaker 4: So they were walcome with yeah, because they were already
Speaker 4: people who hung out at the Latin Quarters. Ninety percent
Speaker 4: of the artist that broke in Latin Quarters was always
Speaker 4: in the crowd. Kid and play was in the crowd
Speaker 4: at Latin Quarters. Their name was the Fresh Force Kid,
Speaker 4: Cool Out and Playboy, and they had a song called
Speaker 4: off a rock I'm a deis see.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, please don't say I'm.
Speaker 4: The They sampled rocked me and then a song off
Speaker 4: of rock Me a'madas and they had another song called
Speaker 4: She's a Skeezer that.
Speaker 3: Song which is what I did this.
Speaker 1: Posts told me about that, okay, with the same beat
Speaker 1: for three days later.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But then they saw the I O U and
Speaker 4: the JAC dances. They changed their head sounds, they changed
Speaker 4: the way that they dress, and somehow the dance that
Speaker 4: was being done at the Latin Quarters became the Kiddhn't
Speaker 4: play kickstep.
Speaker 1: So all those dances were born there. We're talking about
Speaker 1: like the Steve Martin, the Mark.
Speaker 4: Top Oh my god, dude used to kill when he performed.
Speaker 4: You know who else killed at lag Quarters, Schoolly d Yes.
Speaker 5: And remember this was New jack City, New York, Okay.
Speaker 4: You know this was around the time of Larry Davis
Speaker 4: and the Central Park five and Useph Hawkins murder. So
Speaker 4: there was a tension in the young black people at
Speaker 4: the time also, and we were angry at a lot.
Speaker 4: You know, parth I was going on. Nelson Mandela was
Speaker 4: still in jail. You know what I'm saying, so there
Speaker 4: was a consciousness that took over the club because it's
Speaker 4: Zulu Nation and the beginnings of the Black Watch movement
Speaker 4: and the five Percent Nation was heavy in the club.
Speaker 4: So we was all about the fifth element, knowledge, wisdom
Speaker 4: and understanding at the same time we was creating this music.
Speaker 4: So that is official.
Speaker 6: I was wondering when you look up hip hop sometimes, Okay,
Speaker 6: the fifth element is knowledge, wisdom and understanding. All right,
Speaker 6: I feel like it came much later, can.
Speaker 4: You all right?
Speaker 1: Since the the sound system was ungodly?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: What did you guys think when y'all first heard Rebel
Speaker 1: without a pause?
Speaker 3: Because I heard it two in.
Speaker 1: The morning on a radio with the volume down, and
Speaker 1: of course, like you know, I'm talking about clock radio.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it is to hear this teakettle
Speaker 1: noise of Public Enemy.
Speaker 4: That song saved Public Enemies career because Public Enemy got
Speaker 4: booed off the stage at Latin Quarters and their first show,
Speaker 4: Grand Master and Mellie Mail.
Speaker 3: He was on the side doing push ups.
Speaker 4: No, he couldn't get to the stage, but he was
Speaker 4: in the crowd heckling him the whole time. That shit
Speaker 4: ain't hip hop. They on stage with oozies and shit,
Speaker 4: were trying to stop the violence. What is this, Russell Simmons,
Speaker 4: you need to sign grand Master flies in the previous
Speaker 4: five putting all this bullshit on stage, I had to
Speaker 4: I had to literally pull Melly Mal off the dance
Speaker 4: floor and explain to him what the s one w's
Speaker 4: were and why they had the plastic oozies. But then
Speaker 4: they came later with Rebel without a pause, and guess
Speaker 4: what it was a hip hop dance classic. You put
Speaker 4: that record on the IOU and the jay Z dances
Speaker 4: break their.
Speaker 5: Necks in the club off it.
Speaker 4: And that inspired Chuck to step up the tempo and
Speaker 4: he realized, as you get up there.
Speaker 1: And dance at the LQ right right right, I get it.
Speaker 1: I see it now, I see it now, I see
Speaker 1: it now. So the next question I want to know
Speaker 1: is why did it end so early?
Speaker 4: Monday? Location? Location? Location? It was sitting on that property
Speaker 4: that was way too valuable for them to keep just
Speaker 4: letting us little niggats. Have ain't black club there since
Speaker 4: exactly they built the hotel, which one isnaissance we.
Speaker 1: Used to stay there.
Speaker 4: Wow? Okay, yep, the Union Square club had closed, so
Speaker 4: all the crazy ass Brooklyn niggas ain't have nowhere to
Speaker 4: hang out no more. So they came uptown to the
Speaker 4: Latin Quarters and they turned the Latin Quarters into the
Speaker 4: Okay carraal.
Speaker 3: All right, so it was the myth of Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Real, I e Like, we just want to party and
Speaker 1: here come Brooklyn wounding out again.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, that sh it was true because it wasn't
Speaker 4: just ghost Steps to that set them off. That was
Speaker 4: the second song. There was another song that was more
Speaker 4: of a trigger than.
Speaker 1: That, which was Brooklyn's than the House by d C Dclyn.
Speaker 1: So any Brooklyn song is just going to trigger.
Speaker 4: It's fifty cent and the Supreme Team and the Hollis
Speaker 4: Crew and the whole powder keg of different.
Speaker 3: So they were all paid.
Speaker 4: They get in yeah.
Speaker 1: Yoke and still change and no.
Speaker 4: Well at first, I mean it took a while because
Speaker 4: fifty would come to me, he respected me, and I
Speaker 4: would let them in free, give him drink to get
Speaker 4: treat him like they were stars too.
Speaker 1: He explaining who fifty was. And now we're not talking
Speaker 1: about Curtis Jackson.
Speaker 4: No, he was a little gangster ass Doug from Brooklyn,
Speaker 4: who was one of the original knuckleheads that you just
Speaker 4: he had no respect for nobody, not even himself, and
Speaker 4: he would come to the club with two guns and
Speaker 4: a bulletpoof vest on. I would let him keep all
Speaker 4: let him in. I would look put it this way, okay, right,
Speaker 4: if you let him in, he could control the other
Speaker 4: ones that's lesser than him. So instead of going wild,
Speaker 4: now they had something to lose. Now they had status,
Speaker 4: and now they wouldn't just run up on somebody and
Speaker 4: rob them. They would come to me first and be like, yo, dice,
Speaker 4: is that your man? I'd be like, yeah, damn man
Speaker 4: told me, can't be coming up in here like that
Speaker 4: man organized.
Speaker 1: Crime and that would be ok what would they walking
Speaker 1: target look like? Ll WOJ tell me the story jam
Speaker 1: Master J. I heard that story about dragging on the floor,
Speaker 1: but he held onto the chain I heard.
Speaker 4: Now he didn't drag the floor. His chain is solid.
Speaker 4: They don't have no clasp. Jam Aster J had the
Speaker 4: best chain in hip hop.
Speaker 1: But wasn't like royalty, like untouchable or is it like
Speaker 1: we got to test.
Speaker 4: Your Jay had the Holly's Crew with him, Hurricane in
Speaker 4: about twenty twenty five other ones. So it was the
Speaker 4: first time it was an even match, Dude fifty tried
Speaker 4: to snatch Jay's chain. It don't pop.
Speaker 5: Jay went with the chain.
Speaker 4: And J is no slouch right right. I went out
Speaker 4: and pulled J out of the melee and he literally
Speaker 4: fought me. And when I looked in his face, he said, Yo, dice,
Speaker 4: my people was out there. I let him go. He
Speaker 4: went right back out there. You know who am I
Speaker 4: out to tell him? You know what I mean? But uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: jam Master J. Let me say something about him. He
Speaker 4: was the most humble and wonderful human being ever. You know,
Speaker 4: you go to the club. J would be at a club,
Speaker 4: no security, no homeboys.
Speaker 5: He'd be out on tour.
Speaker 4: You find jam Master J with a forty in the
Speaker 4: hood in the projects, four o'clock in the morning, smoking
Speaker 4: and drinking and telling stories and jokes with dudes he
Speaker 4: don't even know. And he had the total hood pass
Speaker 4: because he was Jammaster J. He was that dope. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he taught me how to act once I became popular.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the Hip Hop Museum?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: See? Yeah, Now I'm told that you were collecting artifacts
Speaker 1: and whatnot since seventy.
Speaker 4: Nine, seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, how did you know, I was a kid.
Speaker 1: How did you know instantly?
Speaker 4: I shouldn't know instant. My brother Michael Michael Green coach Green.
Speaker 4: He was a baseball and football coach at de Wick
Speaker 4: Clinton High School in the Bronx, and my brother was
Speaker 4: four years older than me, and he did everything to
Speaker 4: influence me. I didn't respect or understand my brother when
Speaker 4: I was young because he wasn't a fighter. I had
Speaker 4: to fight every day. But as I got older, everything
Speaker 4: I do and everything I know really came from my brother.
Speaker 4: A photographer, a writer, an artist, and illustrator. But most importantly,
Speaker 4: he collected stamps and coins. I wasn't into that. I
Speaker 4: get out of here with that. Then he started collecting
Speaker 4: baseball cards, football cards, and comic books. That's when I
Speaker 4: lost my mind, you know, because I was an avid
Speaker 4: reader and comic book collectors and comic book readers. It's
Speaker 4: like oil and water. We really didn't met. So I
Speaker 4: start collecting my own comics. And then here comes hip
Speaker 4: hop flyers, grand Master Flash who DJ hurt the Herk Lords?
Speaker 4: You know, grand was it Theodore? It was like walking
Speaker 4: Marvel heroes in my hood who were doing those flyers?
Speaker 4: Buddy Esquire a whole bunch of good Phase two, but
Speaker 4: he Esquire and Phase two were the two most popular ones.
Speaker 4: But there was a whole host of people making flyers
Speaker 4: back then, and they were beautiful. When the hip hop
Speaker 4: universe was like the Marvel and DC universe to me,
Speaker 4: you know, so they would have cartoon characters. I got
Speaker 4: a fly with Iron Man on it, one with Spider
Speaker 4: Man on it, one with Muhammed Aldi on it, you know,
Speaker 4: fly girls and nice calls. It was amazing to me.
Speaker 4: So I kept them and me and my homeboy kids Zeep,
Speaker 4: we started trading with each other and it just became
Speaker 4: a thing in my hood that we would collect hip
Speaker 4: hop flyers. And later on it became everything with hip
Speaker 4: hop on it, Yo, MTV rap cards, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, magazines, Yo, rap masters, the Sowres, Double Excel,
Speaker 4: if it had anything about hip hop. I was hip
Speaker 4: hop's biggest fan. I wanted So were you just naturally.
Speaker 1: A pop culture junkie that just you know part like
Speaker 1: I'm collecting stuff now, I don't know why I'm collecting it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying to myself like, Okay, one day I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have a museum. But like now, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: going hard on. I went hard on on Hrk's auction.
Speaker 1: Now we're seeing the auction stuff. Yeah, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I guess I figure, like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: when I'm sixty or seventies, I'll have these artifacts to
Speaker 1: pass on to a museum or that sort of.
Speaker 3: Thing in your mind.
Speaker 1: Are you saying, like, one day I'm going to open
Speaker 1: up the hip hop museum and I'm having these artifacts there.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't even consider that. I just knew what
Speaker 4: I liked and I loved, and I just catered to myself.
Speaker 4: I loved myself, so I tried to surround myself with
Speaker 4: beautiful things and things that make me feel good. I
Speaker 4: was a little ashy, skin nappy headed, dark skinned kid
Speaker 4: in the South Bronx with holes in the bottom of
Speaker 4: my shoe, and hip hop gave me my self esteem.
Speaker 2: How do you preserve everything through the years, with all
Speaker 2: the floods and robberies and everything that everybody goes through
Speaker 2: with moving one hundred times.
Speaker 5: I never had a flood, I never got robbed.
Speaker 4: My dad still live in the same apartment that we
Speaker 4: lived in since nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Wow, there's the answer.
Speaker 4: There right there. Yeah, yeah, okay, we had stability. So
Speaker 4: let me know what closet space.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm really asked the question that I always asks.
Speaker 3: You know, one answers. Yeah, You're given.
Speaker 4: One minute.
Speaker 1: To grab three artifacts and the rest you'll never see again.
Speaker 1: What three things are you grabbing?
Speaker 4: My original crown that I created, the first crown of
Speaker 4: x Crime. My wooden stick that I carved with a
Speaker 4: lion's face in the middle of a morph between the
Speaker 4: lion and the man.
Speaker 5: That staff is called the iron in lion Zion.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you carved too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's why they called me the architect, baby architect,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, did.
Speaker 1: You have dreams to be an actual architect?
Speaker 4: In term I went to Brooklyn Tech to be an architect,
Speaker 4: and I dropped out in the tenth grade because I
Speaker 4: couldn't go through high school with holes in my ship
Speaker 4: like I did junior high. My parents are from the South.
Speaker 4: My dad, I told him what I wanted and he said, hey.
Speaker 4: He walked me to the front door and said, everything
Speaker 4: you want right outside this door. Everything you need, I
Speaker 4: got it in here. Go get what you want. So
Speaker 4: I said, okay, I'm gonna go get it. I went,
Speaker 4: and I dropped out of high school, and within two
Speaker 4: years I was making more money than my mother and
Speaker 4: my father combined legally.
Speaker 1: Where are your parents from?
Speaker 4: North Carolina? What city? I was born in a little
Speaker 4: town called Washington, North Carolina. Washington.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I grew up in I lived all over over
Speaker 7: Fatteville of red s Range, Robinson County. Grew up in Greensboro,
Speaker 7: living Raleigh. But nah, man, that's that's so dope.
Speaker 4: I'm home from. So. I was born in nineteen sixty
Speaker 4: four in North Carolina Freedom Summer, and my mother decided
Speaker 4: when I was four years old that she didn't want
Speaker 4: me and my brother and sister to grow up picking
Speaker 4: cotton and tobacco. So she followed her sister, Helen my aunt,
Speaker 4: to Harlem, and she stayed in Harlem with my aunt
Speaker 4: and sent me and my brother and sister to live
Speaker 4: in the Bronxdale Projects with my aunt's daughter, her niece,
Speaker 4: Susie Davis, and my little cousin who lived with us
Speaker 4: in Disco King Mario's building. His name is Aaron Davis.
Speaker 4: He wound up becoming a welterweight champion of the world.
Speaker 4: Aaron Superman Davis and he knocked Mark Brelan out to
Speaker 4: take the belt.
Speaker 1: No, you're a sports expert.
Speaker 4: Well, I love hip hop and sports. I think hip
Speaker 4: hop was a sport us too.
Speaker 1: It is you know, surviving it is key. Well you
Speaker 1: didn't name the third thing, the third artifact that you
Speaker 1: were saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that first Flyer was the first time hip hop's
Speaker 2: mentioned on It's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's more important things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well record record things that I own or
Speaker 1: I mean like treasures.
Speaker 5: I mean, dude, I have so much in my collection.
Speaker 4: I'm not Bismarck status with my collection, but the hip
Speaker 4: hop part of my collection bigger than business hip hop collection.
Speaker 1: See, he's the one that got me in. When I
Speaker 1: saw business stuff, I was like, Oh, this is what
Speaker 1: I want to do. Spend my money. You got to
Speaker 1: spend your money on something. So that's the thing. Artifact historical,
Speaker 1: artifact wise, what do you have? Jeff just shared with
Speaker 1: me that he has the records from Grandmaster Grandmaster Flash
Speaker 1: used in Wild Style Sope.
Speaker 4: I still have a bunch of my original creates that
Speaker 4: I DJ with since the seventies in the Bronx. I
Speaker 4: still have my original vinyl, all my breakbeats.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: You know I have the big red, black and green
Speaker 4: flag that X Clan used to perform with and that
Speaker 4: we used to march in the streets of Brooklyn with
Speaker 4: Sonny Carson with. You know, I have a cutout of
Speaker 4: the Nile's pharrowhead.
Speaker 1: From I Am Oh, yeah, I am record.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, I have the cutout of master P.
Speaker 4: You know, I've got the master P doll that go.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: You know, I got so much artifacts, bro.
Speaker 1: I do want to know when do you feel as
Speaker 1: though the museum will have its grand.
Speaker 4: Opening fourth quarter for first quarter twenty twenty five in
Speaker 4: the location right where it is, right in the Boogie
Speaker 4: down Bronx one hundred and forty ninth Street and Bronx
Speaker 4: Point Baby, right on the Harlem River.
Speaker 1: Well, brother, this this has been long overdue. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing.
Speaker 4: We didn't have more time, and you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: really get to tell you a new stories. But it's
Speaker 4: all good.
Speaker 1: No, this is this is beautiful and we thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on the show. So we have a fontiicolo
Speaker 1: on paper bill Sugar Steve and like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: quest Love is a great paradise. Gray, Yeah, support hip
Speaker 1: hop culture, collect your artifacts, don't dispose of things that
Speaker 1: you don't know will be you know, well man's trash,
Speaker 1: that next man's treasure.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Telling the history, yes, and share stories and build.
Speaker 4: In the history. Because while it's good that we celebrated
Speaker 4: their fiftieth anniversary of hip hop make history. Now it's
Speaker 4: our time to plot the next fifty years of hip hop.
Speaker 4: There you go, and to support young artists with the
Speaker 4: real support that we need to give them. And we
Speaker 4: need to stop being the old man sitting on the
Speaker 4: porch telling them to get off our laan. Hip Hop
Speaker 4: was created by children and children will always rule hip hop.
Speaker 4: So if you owe and you feel like, oh I
Speaker 4: can't understand what they're saying, well maybe they're not talking
Speaker 4: to your ass.
Speaker 1: Oh and there it is, ladies.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll see all next cover.
Speaker 4: This is Sugar Steve.
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