Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: This is Part two. Doug describes a journey to becoming
Speaker 2: hip hop star and one of the world's greatest entertainers.
Speaker 2: I really like this episode and you will too. I
Speaker 2: have a question about the Oh my God record. Now.
Speaker 1: I know that we're in a whole different time period now,
Speaker 1: So having grown up in Reagan's America, which was heavily Christian, conservative,
Speaker 1: more you know, moral majority, all those things, I can
Speaker 1: see I had a different opinion of it when I
Speaker 1: first heard it, and of course thirty years later, opinions
Speaker 1: have changed, and we now live in a time period
Speaker 1: where like we believe that you know, in his choice
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But you know, even before Common did retrospect
Speaker 1: for life, I remember like how big the abortion song
Speaker 1: was on your first album. So what was the what
Speaker 1: was the what was the because the thing is like
Speaker 1: on that on that debut record of yours. The two
Speaker 1: things that my two takeaways was definitely you know, play
Speaker 1: this only at night really truly could have been given
Speaker 1: Moments in Love a run for its money.
Speaker 2: But like the first New.
Speaker 1: Jack kind of you know, slow join right, and I
Speaker 1: just at that point I never heard a rapper really
Speaker 1: get topical about anything that wasn't just street conditions or
Speaker 1: you know, violence on you know, like day to day violence.
Speaker 1: Like you just never heard the rapper rapping about abortion?
Speaker 1: What what prompted you? What prompted you to even go there?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: You know because back then.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: You yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well well I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you two things. And that's a beautiful question. I like
Speaker 3: how you slipped that, And I like how you did that.
Speaker 3: That was so stupid. And I haven't forgot about.
Speaker 5: You know, we get to trust me.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, but look what happened was, as you
Speaker 3: know hip hop, the expression is raw.
Speaker 6: All the Way to Happen is the first song ever
Speaker 6: dedicated to God.
Speaker 3: That's before Jesus Walk, that's before anybody ever did it.
Speaker 3: It was a chance, it was. All the Way to
Speaker 3: Heaven was created because we were happy. We were happy
Speaker 3: about what God has given to us. So so when
Speaker 3: I'm saying, can I.
Speaker 1: Can I just briefly issue if you for one second
Speaker 1: and maybe you could double this answer, because I swear
Speaker 1: to God I would I would have killed myself if
Speaker 1: I didn't ask this question. Speaking of all the Way
Speaker 1: to Heaven, can you please. I think I heard you
Speaker 1: explain this once on a radio show back in like
Speaker 1: eighty six, and I.
Speaker 2: Could not never find this quote.
Speaker 1: Can you explain the the the the the logic you
Speaker 1: had with creating the show as far as its spiritual element,
Speaker 1: Like I think I heard you say one time where
Speaker 1: you like, so no, no, no, you mentioned something about like like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like he purposely chows, oh my god,
Speaker 1: sound body with a six six six six minutes thing,
Speaker 1: even like is he real?
Speaker 2: Like it's thought I read this. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I dreamed or not.
Speaker 3: If you say is it real?
Speaker 6: Fast?
Speaker 3: Right? So that's that's right. That was how and and
Speaker 3: oh my god, you know and kind of like you
Speaker 3: know a lot of things for me hopping through dreams,
Speaker 3: Like even the show came to me in a dream.
Speaker 3: It was like I woke up and something told me
Speaker 3: to do it, the same way I just did this
Speaker 3: new project about Chuck Brown. It's like this is happened
Speaker 3: to me, No, but it happens. It's a real interesting
Speaker 3: way that artists create. So what I did, oh my
Speaker 3: God is a real I told Barer and Will and
Speaker 3: they was like, how you're going to have us cut
Speaker 3: these two things at the same time.
Speaker 6: I said, trust me, it's going to work.
Speaker 3: And when they started cutting it, it just became that
Speaker 3: was I consciously thinking about the creator. I can't really
Speaker 3: say I was. It was just something that was making
Speaker 3: me do this. Now, a lot of people thought that
Speaker 3: when it was saying six minutes, it was worshiping the devil,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't none of that. It was just that
Speaker 3: it was a kind of a cool thing in a
Speaker 3: way where if you listen.
Speaker 6: I'm more of a rhyme style list.
Speaker 3: So when I'm doing something, it's never gonna be what
Speaker 3: you believe it should be. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 3: the greatest rapp up. I'm trying to convey an idea
Speaker 3: and that's my main focus. So six minutes, six minutes,
Speaker 3: six minutes, Dougie vers it's it became kind of like
Speaker 3: or like no no, no, no, no, no, we didn't no no
Speaker 3: no no no no no no. See, like it's not
Speaker 3: a rhyme.
Speaker 6: And then and then if you're think about the show
Speaker 6: when it's going on and in.
Speaker 3: The back you can hear.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: But because because all of these different pieces.
Speaker 3: Kind of like it was more it was changing the
Speaker 3: way and a hip hop artists were to approach things.
Speaker 3: I was changing what you considered to be hip hop.
Speaker 3: I wanted you to expand. I wanted you to think
Speaker 3: that you can't. You don't need just one DJ. You
Speaker 3: can use two, you can use three. I wanted you
Speaker 3: to think about listen to the rom it's all because
Speaker 3: put a song in a rock me shall like, let's
Speaker 3: do something different, because you gotta be flashed to rock
Speaker 3: with and I'm known for the not like, let's let's
Speaker 3: play at the end of the song. I'm doing as
Speaker 3: you can see most definitely, I'm not rhyming. I'm talking
Speaker 3: to you. We are like like it's it's it's changing.
Speaker 1: The spiritual song is like the show hip hop's first
Speaker 1: spiritual song or with see.
Speaker 3: I think that in its own way, organically it probably
Speaker 3: was without without consciously doing it, okay, And I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I consciously did everything that way.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I was driven to do that,
Speaker 3: you know, and then all the way to heaven, me
Speaker 3: and Rick was going to do together. So when I
Speaker 3: made on my guard, I was in a very I
Speaker 3: was in a state where I was feeling bad because
Speaker 3: of the way I had to keep this thing going,
Speaker 3: because I thought me and them together was really good,
Speaker 3: and I felt like I was disappointing a lot of
Speaker 3: the people who loved the chemistry.
Speaker 6: So I was in a position where I felt like
Speaker 6: I had.
Speaker 3: To keep moving, and I know that some people would
Speaker 3: would take it a different way.
Speaker 6: But I also felt all the way to Heaven was important.
Speaker 3: Because I felt like, how can I go from this
Speaker 3: point forward and not give thanks to the creator for
Speaker 3: what was done. I'm a guy that saved up this money,
Speaker 3: went in there, made these records. A dude owed me money.
Speaker 3: I went to the studio at my friend's house. I
Speaker 3: made this up and it exploded, and it's one of
Speaker 3: those stories that nobody would ever believe is true.
Speaker 6: So I'm thankful.
Speaker 3: And even though me and Rick got our issues or
Speaker 3: things wasn't working out, I'm still thankful. So then I
Speaker 3: also felt that a song like abortion, the baby on
Speaker 3: that record is being born, and that's Banard's right, that's
Speaker 3: Banard writes Son. He went into the room, he was
Speaker 3: in the room when his wife had the baby, and
Speaker 3: I said recorded, I said recorded, I want that on
Speaker 3: my record. He said, I'm coming back with it. He
Speaker 3: went in there with the recorder. The baby was crying,
Speaker 3: and I put it on the top of the song.
Speaker 3: Now why did I do that? I did that because
Speaker 3: I felt at that particular time that this is the
Speaker 3: most beautiful thing in the world.
Speaker 6: This is my son. You know, I'm here because of this.
Speaker 3: So I felt that that topic and that thought process
Speaker 3: was one that I felt very strong about. And then
Speaker 3: I had a girlfriend and that happened, and when it happened,
Speaker 3: it affected me. And when it affected me, I wrote
Speaker 3: about it the same way. I wrote she was that
Speaker 3: type of girl. I wrote about it same way. All
Speaker 3: the Way to Heaven I wrote about it same way.
Speaker 3: Nothing is about people smoking crack and things happening in
Speaker 3: the community, I wrote about it.
Speaker 6: Play this only at night was the condition that I
Speaker 6: seen Harlem.
Speaker 3: Harlem was like night of the living bass heads on
Speaker 3: steroids bro.
Speaker 6: So I wrote about it.
Speaker 3: So the music was was was explaining what was going on,
Speaker 3: and I didn't. I didn't think nobody might get it
Speaker 3: like I got it, But I felt like I.
Speaker 6: Needed to give it to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And even with loving every minute, I think that was
Speaker 3: my first introduction to seeing Chuck Brown live at the
Speaker 3: Capital Center. So I was so influenced by that energy.
Speaker 3: I came back and wrote loving every minute of it
Speaker 3: with the Go Go track in it. So I was
Speaker 3: just once again. But see, it goes back to honesty.
Speaker 3: I know that honesty. You know, honesty is not always appreciated,
Speaker 3: and it's not always good, and it's not always good
Speaker 3: when when the timming is off, sometimes it can cause
Speaker 3: I tell people truth out of season can be destructive,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But then there's a fearlessness
Speaker 3: in telling truth. So when I was putting records together,
Speaker 3: it was my truth, and it was a fearlessness that
Speaker 3: I felt I'm gonna deal with with coming When I
Speaker 3: would play the records at the party or something and
Speaker 3: they get to that record of Bots, I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: I know they hate me for this song. I know
Speaker 3: they are, I said, but I said, but you know
Speaker 3: what I said, But yoe, man, this is where I'm
Speaker 3: not with it.
Speaker 6: This is how I feel.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 7: And also, you know, sometimes as fans we have to
Speaker 7: allow our artists to evolve, especially if they started young.
Speaker 4: We did it for common so.
Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean, back back in eighty five. That
Speaker 1: was the modus operandi. Wait, I have one more show question,
Speaker 1: and again I got it. This the intro to the show. Right,
Speaker 1: was your inspiration behind that?
Speaker 3: The whiz?
Speaker 2: The gold, yellow Green?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I knew, absolutely no question. And when I did it,
Speaker 3: I said, I said, I said, but I wanted to
Speaker 3: be better. I said, I want to feel that. I said,
Speaker 3: but I used to love when Richard prob gold is
Speaker 3: the I changed my gold color colored. Now children, when
Speaker 3: every time you get received right? And so after I said,
Speaker 3: I wanted to be big, you know. And one of
Speaker 3: the things that I felt with a lot of hip
Speaker 3: hop songs was they never I always felt like and
Speaker 3: I guess maybe the influence came from super rapping, but
Speaker 3: it was a Friday night everybody like I felt like,
Speaker 3: if a song is coming on, it has to make
Speaker 3: me feel like like you taking.
Speaker 6: Me someplace, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So the show was the first record that I was
Speaker 3: able to get out all of my ideas the way
Speaker 3: I wanted to. And because I went through so many,
Speaker 3: you know, situations with not being able to express my
Speaker 3: ideas to the fullest, it was like I'm gonna put
Speaker 3: up my own money, and I'm gonna express my ideas
Speaker 3: my own way. And that horn in the beginning was
Speaker 3: inspired definitely by the waiz Man.
Speaker 1: Okay, so question, here's the fact that I did not know,
Speaker 1: because if you're not getting the record, at least in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, if you're not buying the album, this
Speaker 1: is before the CD generation, cassettes really aren't giving you
Speaker 1: liner notes. So I think maybe he revealed this to
Speaker 1: me four years ago. I had no idea that the
Speaker 1: Bomb Squad was kind of the production unit behind your
Speaker 1: second album, World's Greatest Entertainer on two songs, well even
Speaker 1: there period, and if you look at it, keep rising
Speaker 1: to the top. Really isn't when you get squad soundy
Speaker 1: right because different samples, though it is kind of you know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean no, I'm gonna tell you the song
Speaker 3: once again, the same way I acknowledged Seddi Roley, I
Speaker 3: acknowledged the Bomb Squad, and I met Chuck d on
Speaker 3: tour and I would and I would help them with
Speaker 3: the performance when Public Enemy was performing, because they was
Speaker 3: opening up for us, so I would help him with
Speaker 3: his performance. I would say, yo, you gotta let the
Speaker 3: s one w's move. You gotta get you in flavored.
Speaker 3: I to exchange the energy. So we started. He was
Speaker 3: just listening to me and he would try it out,
Speaker 3: and I said, Griff could do this part. And I
Speaker 3: was sitting there and we'd come together. And then he
Speaker 3: started telling me how he was a part of this
Speaker 3: bomb squad and he said, Yo, you should get with
Speaker 3: us and talk with us a little bit. I said,
Speaker 3: I got this joint that I want to do, man,
Speaker 3: and it's I don't know, it's in hip hop. Nobody's
Speaker 3: ever really done a joint like this, I said, but
Speaker 3: I think it's going to take it to another place.
Speaker 3: And he said, all right, well.
Speaker 6: Why did you hook up with us? So I came
Speaker 6: to him.
Speaker 3: I came to Hank Shockley with rising to the top,
Speaker 3: and then I said, let me hear some drum sounds
Speaker 3: the same way I did at Teddy's house. So I
Speaker 3: banged out the beat. So I took the samp and
Speaker 3: he had all the right stock sounds because their sounds
Speaker 3: was incredible. And then Eric Sidler, when I was I said,
Speaker 3: I said, I wanted to hear to Doom to Doom
Speaker 3: to Doom to Doom right right, And I wanted that
Speaker 3: kind of feeling that that I honestly got to say,
Speaker 3: I got inspired by when I heard Nobody beat the Biz.
Speaker 3: When I heard Thoomommom Tom Tom Tom, why that came on?
Speaker 3: That was crazy? That was crazy, And then I said,
Speaker 3: I want to put chords at the end of it.
Speaker 3: And then I remember everybody was laughing at me in
Speaker 3: the studio. They said, Yo, people are gonna be coming
Speaker 3: out with their smoking jackets. Yo.
Speaker 8: Rising to the Top is the first. That's the first
Speaker 8: forty five that I bought, like with my own money
Speaker 8: for myself. So my grandmother took me to the record store.
Speaker 8: I bought Tougher the Leather and the Rising to the
Speaker 8: Top forty five, and I ended up because on the
Speaker 8: forty five it was Rising to the Top was on
Speaker 8: the A and then on the other side it was
Speaker 8: the instrumental. Right, And so I without doing I'll just
Speaker 8: say I listened to Rising to the Top way more than.
Speaker 5: I listened to.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 5: I love that song, man, I love that record.
Speaker 4: Why do the first time I seen like Dougie do
Speaker 4: your dance to that song?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: That's yeah, Look, that's when I introduced That's but because
Speaker 3: I because I came up with the Dougie and I
Speaker 3: didn't call it that. I was just doing it right,
Speaker 3: and he was I was just doing Douggie. And then
Speaker 3: that was the introduction to the dance that turned into
Speaker 3: a whole nother situation which I can't even I mean
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 2: The field even had the White House to see that dance.
Speaker 2: Get to the White House.
Speaker 3: Yo, let me tell you quest. I was up there
Speaker 3: taking a picture with the first Lady and I said,
Speaker 3: very nice to meet you, first Lady.
Speaker 6: She said, I just want to ask you one question.
Speaker 6: Am I doing the Dougie?
Speaker 3: Yes? Because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I said, I said,
Speaker 3: I said, I never seen it done better. I never
Speaker 3: seen it done better.
Speaker 7: And you want to go, You've been to the White
Speaker 7: House a few times doing that doing that that era
Speaker 7: because I feel like a White House doing Easter. And
Speaker 7: I saw Dougie Fresh walking out like I live here.
Speaker 3: I'm right right right because I was doing I got
Speaker 3: this foundation called Hip Hop Public Health, so we was
Speaker 3: performing and and and then I did the song for
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama Let's Move the whole campaign, So I did
Speaker 3: the theme song for that, and that our organization team
Speaker 3: in with him for we did. We started fighting childhood
Speaker 3: o B City high blood fresher, seeing the symptoms of
Speaker 3: when a person has a stroke. And we've been doing
Speaker 3: this work for the past thirteen to fifteen years, like
Speaker 3: teaching people how to eat, you know, trying to give
Speaker 3: them some kind of understanding of, you know, watching what
Speaker 3: you eat and the effects of it. You if you're
Speaker 3: eating stuff that's not right. So you know, Michelle Obama
Speaker 3: when she said she was going to do it, hey,
Speaker 3: I said, where do I sign up?
Speaker 6: And then I just started to do the song.
Speaker 3: So you know, that's what it's all about, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 7: That made me think when you said you was talking
Speaker 7: to Biz about his health, you was really talking to
Speaker 7: Biz about his health.
Speaker 3: I went hard on him, meaning just not not hard
Speaker 3: in a bad way, but I kept telling them, you know, Biz, yo,
Speaker 3: we got to make sure that you know, you watch
Speaker 3: what you eat, and you know, these starches turn the
Speaker 3: sugar and sugar turns the fact if you get diabetes,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough. And I say, you know, and
Speaker 3: I would take him out and he would be DJing
Speaker 3: sometime and he would be right. He would almost pass
Speaker 3: out on the set and we would have to catch him.
Speaker 3: And then I'd be like, bizz, you gotta stop this,
Speaker 3: you gotta get And then he started getting controlled and
Speaker 3: I posted something where he lost on stage. He lost
Speaker 3: like seventy five eighty pounds, and then after he did that,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, non, now this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: And then when the pandemic happened and he sat home
Speaker 3: for a while, you know, like most people, they sat
Speaker 3: home and they just started to you know, snack here
Speaker 3: not then soil he wasn't paying attention right, And then
Speaker 3: what he did is he caught a diabetic stroke. He
Speaker 3: caught a seizure, and he got a diabetic stroke. And
Speaker 3: then when he went to the hospital when he had
Speaker 3: the stroke, you know, his stroke is the number one
Speaker 3: disabilitating disease in the world. So he wasn't able to
Speaker 3: talk or he wasn't able to to move, like he
Speaker 3: couldn't move. So we kept trying to send them flyers.
Speaker 3: I would get on there, telling them jokes. Me and
Speaker 3: his wife would be up there snapping with him and
Speaker 3: doing the things that we normally would do to pull
Speaker 3: him out of it. And then he would show signs
Speaker 3: that he's coming out of it. And then there would
Speaker 3: be times when he goes down and and.
Speaker 6: It really bothered me.
Speaker 3: Man, But you know, I'm hoping that what happened to
Speaker 3: him is making everybody aware of it can happen to
Speaker 3: any one of us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And everybody loved this. This was such a bright spirit,
Speaker 6: right personality, you know.
Speaker 3: So to see him leave at such a you know,
Speaker 3: a young age, it bothered me.
Speaker 7: That's why I'm glad that these two brothers on this show,
Speaker 7: they talk about health all the time, and they held
Speaker 7: help each other accountable.
Speaker 3: So I love it. You love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: When I heard y'all talk, and I was loving it, bro,
Speaker 3: I was loving on some real conversation. I know it's
Speaker 3: about me, but it's really about y'all. You know. I
Speaker 3: was loving it, and I like. I like how y'all
Speaker 3: are supporting each other, because that's where we go wrong.
Speaker 3: We believe, we believe that we got to go through
Speaker 3: this by ourselves, and we don't. We don't. Sometimes sometimes
Speaker 3: you need your man to check you a little bit
Speaker 3: or you know, or challenge you and turn it into
Speaker 3: a game so it's not so so serious, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And you know, and looking. Sometimes even
Speaker 3: if you fall off on something, you know, if you
Speaker 3: got a good team of people around you, you can.
Speaker 6: Get yourself back on it.
Speaker 3: But I just think that diabetes is such a bizarre
Speaker 3: disease because you don't really realize when your sugar's up
Speaker 3: and you're not checking it, and your sugar could be
Speaker 3: an eight hundred and you walking around feeling good and
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. Bull it takes you out.
Speaker 2: Where's your number?
Speaker 7: With your number?
Speaker 4: With your number?
Speaker 3: Steve?
Speaker 7: See he see what? You don't know why you have
Speaker 7: this conversation. We got somebody in our collective that has
Speaker 7: sugar issues.
Speaker 4: And I'm just saying the two black ones.
Speaker 5: That one surprisingly nah. But Doug, you are the you're
Speaker 5: the poster boy for like agent and hip hop.
Speaker 8: Like you are, I mean, like yo, man, like just
Speaker 8: watching you over the years and just watching the way
Speaker 8: you've taken care of yourself and the wave.
Speaker 5: It yeah yeah man. The regimen or something like what's
Speaker 5: your what's your diet? Like, what what's like? What's your
Speaker 5: day to day?
Speaker 3: Well, my day to day is I usually try to
Speaker 3: run and then and then I got this program where
Speaker 3: I run and then I may walk because a lot
Speaker 3: of people want to estimate walking. See this is the.
Speaker 2: Problem how here you go?
Speaker 3: Walking is and it's a fascinating exercise because it actually
Speaker 3: gives you time to think things through and when you're
Speaker 3: looking at them, you know, you start.
Speaker 6: To figure out different things.
Speaker 3: If you're listening to music or whatever way you want
Speaker 3: to do it, if you're walking with a friend, you'll
Speaker 3: be surprised how much you burn it.
Speaker 6: So what I do is I walk, I run, I
Speaker 6: ride the bike, and I do a lot.
Speaker 3: Of making sure I'm not letting nobody stress me out.
Speaker 3: And I think we got lost with that one. I
Speaker 3: think that's the one that everybody's failing on, or a
Speaker 3: lot of people, because we so goal oriented that we
Speaker 3: want to be the best. We want this to be
Speaker 3: the greatest, we want this, We want that that we
Speaker 3: start to put our health behind us instead of keeping
Speaker 3: it as number one. And then when you look at health,
Speaker 3: it should be in this order. This is my order,
Speaker 3: and I study this order. Number one is rest sleep.
Speaker 3: If you don't get that you're done, you can't operate,
Speaker 3: You make mistakes, you talk crazy, you short fuse everything.
Speaker 3: It just turns into something else. When you don't get
Speaker 3: no rest, Number two is your nutrition. You gotta eat
Speaker 3: to live, not live to eat. You gotta think about
Speaker 3: what you eat. And if you got sugar, you gotta
Speaker 3: check that sugar. You have to so that you can
Speaker 3: gauge your numbers. If you like something that's a a starch,
Speaker 3: ain't saying you can't have it, but maybe you gotta
Speaker 3: earn it. Maybe you gotta maybe maybe you gotta earn that.
Speaker 3: Let's earn it.
Speaker 5: Let's run it right, and then.
Speaker 3: When you do it, maybe maybe you earned half of that,
Speaker 3: you know, if that's if that's a game you want
Speaker 3: to play, but you can't just have that starch. Don't walk,
Speaker 3: don't run, be up all night and then drink sweet
Speaker 3: juices or be you setting yourself up for something that
Speaker 3: you I have no idea. It's crazy. And then the
Speaker 3: third one, it's some exercise. But the exercise don't have
Speaker 3: to be that you're working out like you trying to be,
Speaker 3: you know, a football player.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It don't have to be that crazy.
Speaker 6: If you're walking, you're getting on a treadmill.
Speaker 3: You want to walk in your body, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 3: And then after you do it and you start seeing
Speaker 3: how you feel. You're going to be happy to do
Speaker 3: it because it's making you happy. And then while you're
Speaker 3: doing that, you rest, You're energetic. You know, you got
Speaker 3: eight hours sleep or seven hours whatever you need, and
Speaker 3: then you ate something that gave you a nice amount
Speaker 3: of energy, and then you go out there.
Speaker 6: And work out.
Speaker 3: Yo, you did all of the things that you could
Speaker 3: do to survive on this planet a little bit more.
Speaker 3: But if you just be reckless.
Speaker 2: Slight confession time, slight confession.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: No, definitely.
Speaker 1: I when it got colder, you know, well, okay, so
Speaker 1: so the deal.
Speaker 2: The deal is basically.
Speaker 5: Getting dark at four o'clock.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When Rick Ruven was on the show, he made me
Speaker 1: he was my accountability partner, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: doing like ten thousand steps a day every day and
Speaker 1: then around mid September I started falling off. Now, when
Speaker 1: I hear something five, when I hear from five different
Speaker 1: sources the same message, then I'm like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta get so you're officially it started this morning
Speaker 1: with my.
Speaker 2: Mom, are you walking like you to me?
Speaker 6: Are you lying to me?
Speaker 5: Grace?
Speaker 2: Same thing?
Speaker 1: Like literally four people got on me about okay, now,
Speaker 1: like how you doing. You're still sticking to your plan
Speaker 1: or you you've fallen off a little bit in the
Speaker 1: in the winter.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, I'll.
Speaker 1: Get back on it next week, all right, cool, I
Speaker 1: gotta get back my ten thousand steps a day join
Speaker 1: because I felt I went from ten thousand util like
Speaker 1: four thousand school. I'll just do like ten blocks and
Speaker 1: walk back home. So right, I gotta get back on
Speaker 1: my join.
Speaker 3: See. And that's how the Creator work because all of
Speaker 3: us are saying things to you.
Speaker 6: And I always say this now too, don't get caught
Speaker 6: up in the messenger. Just hear the message.
Speaker 3: Message because you may not you if you get caught
Speaker 3: up in the messenger, you may not hear that message.
Speaker 3: And that message can be coming from a little baby,
Speaker 3: It could be coming from a mother. It can be
Speaker 3: coming from a person that you don't like, but they
Speaker 3: said something that was really important for you to hear.
Speaker 3: If you got five different people. Sometimes and we get
Speaker 3: caught up on how to.
Speaker 6: Create a community.
Speaker 3: The Creator communicates through us, and he says things to
Speaker 3: us to say to somebody that maybe if that person
Speaker 3: can bypass who's the person saying it, and just hear
Speaker 3: the message. A lot can come out of that, because
Speaker 3: what's the odds of me having this conversation with y'all
Speaker 3: right now on this and it has nothing to do
Speaker 3: for what we're talking about. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But it has everything to do for what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: The brother on here with diabetes, or me talking about
Speaker 3: how I've seen it with biz, or you watch so
Speaker 3: many of us, So many of us lose ourselves or
Speaker 3: pass away transition just.
Speaker 6: Because we don't make little, minor adjustments. It don't have
Speaker 6: to be extreme.
Speaker 3: It's like I always say, if if a person does
Speaker 3: a little, they don't even have to really do a lot.
Speaker 6: But if you just stay consistent at it, and.
Speaker 3: If you just keep this, yeah, man, like nobody ain't
Speaker 3: trying to make you. I'm not trying to make you
Speaker 3: work out to where you know you pass out. But
Speaker 3: you know you know you got it ass your ass.
Speaker 3: You gotta move it. You gotta move it.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: I do want to get key parts of your career
Speaker 1: out before we run out of time, which.
Speaker 5: We gotta talk about. There's a lot we gotta talk about. Wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 5: the hammer we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say we gotta talk about do
Speaker 1: what I Gotta do right right right well.
Speaker 4: All the time right then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we're gon, We're going to We're going to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1: What was the decision behind like what the key give
Speaker 1: us the atmosphere or or or or what it was
Speaker 1: like under the umbrella of Busted Productions with Hammer Beautiful
Speaker 1: doing what I Gotta Do great really should have been
Speaker 1: way bigger for you.
Speaker 6: But yeah, well another great lesson what happened with that
Speaker 6: project is I felt that when I came out with
Speaker 6: World's Greatest Entertainer, I felt really good about my album.
Speaker 6: I felt that that album was made in a way
Speaker 6: where I was trying to show people different dimensions about,
Speaker 6: you know, my growth and about hip hop. Like when
Speaker 6: I did Africa and when I went to Africa in
Speaker 6: eighty seven, hip hop wasn't in Africa. I was the
Speaker 6: first dude to run over there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I was in Senegal, the car, Gambia, Gory Island. I
Speaker 6: wrote the song.
Speaker 3: Over there, Yeah that's what Africa. That last song on
Speaker 3: World's Greatest Entertainer called Africa. Heavyd used to love that
Speaker 3: song and Rod Kim loved that song. But what happened
Speaker 3: is that I felt that the label really at that
Speaker 3: point didn't get my vision when I first started with him,
Speaker 3: and the thing happened with me and Rick, I think
Speaker 3: it took some steam out of him and he started
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. But Rizzo to the top
Speaker 3: of such a great record cut that zero. I felt
Speaker 3: on this Trump could have done a lot better. I
Speaker 3: think people slept on that. A lot of people liked
Speaker 3: to guess. So it was a lot of different things
Speaker 3: that I didn't feel my label God, which I think
Speaker 3: a lot of us felt at points in our career.
Speaker 3: So I signed with Dick Scott Management, who was managing
Speaker 3: New Kids on the Block, and he would fund me
Speaker 3: to go to the studio and make some records. And
Speaker 3: while I was doing that, Hammer and his brother heard
Speaker 3: I was no longer I was looking to get out
Speaker 3: of Reality Records. So, long story short, I got with
Speaker 3: his brother, Louis Barrell. Lewis didn't know that reggae was coming.
Speaker 3: I was telling him, I said, Yo, reggae is on fire, bro,
Speaker 3: But he was feeling like.
Speaker 6: That don't mean nothing, because I'm getting this.
Speaker 3: You can't touch you know, can't touch this money and
Speaker 3: Hammer's in the stratosphere, and so there was a beef
Speaker 3: between the East and the West coast. So I felt
Speaker 3: that if me and Hammer got together and I was
Speaker 3: able to bring what I bring to the table and
Speaker 3: he keeps doing his thing, this would show a union
Speaker 3: between us where this beef between East and West.
Speaker 6: Coast wouldn't even really be there. Because Tim Dogg was making.
Speaker 8: You know, Alas album was right right, and I wasn't
Speaker 8: about that.
Speaker 3: So they paid close to maybe like one point two
Speaker 3: one point three to get me out of the deal.
Speaker 3: So when they got me out of the deal, they say, yo,
Speaker 3: I just want to be able to put at least
Speaker 3: one or two songs on the album. And I said, okay,
Speaker 3: no problem, and they said I was telling them reggae.
Speaker 6: So we was up there working it out.
Speaker 3: And what happened is I went to Jamaica and I
Speaker 3: went to go do sun Splash, and I was doing
Speaker 3: dance all night. I don't know if y'all know about
Speaker 3: sun Splash. Yeah, I forgot him on it right right.
Speaker 6: So I'm so I'm like.
Speaker 3: The first guy to ever perform on dance tall night
Speaker 3: in Jamaica, which was unheard of.
Speaker 2: You might want you retimidated.
Speaker 3: No, no, look that audience is tough, yo, that audience
Speaker 3: is tougher than Apollo.
Speaker 2: It's how did you again? I know your whole no
Speaker 2: fear thing, but yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 6: I felt I felt like I felt my.
Speaker 3: Energy was stronger than theirs. And then I also had
Speaker 3: Papa Son who we was doing records together. I mean no,
Speaker 3: we was performing together. So when I'm performing with him
Speaker 3: on dance hall. And then the other thing is sometimes
Speaker 3: less is more and more is less, you know, because
Speaker 3: sometimes you're doing too much. So I felt like, if
Speaker 3: I give them little samples of what I do, it'll
Speaker 3: make them appreciate it more than me trying to give
Speaker 3: them a whole concert. So I got on. They accepted it,
Speaker 3: blew up but bloke gunshots all night. After that was over,
Speaker 3: I got back on the plane and came back and
Speaker 3: I was doing something at how And when I got back,
Speaker 3: Hammer's boy edited the video did all of these different
Speaker 3: things with it. And then when he did it, it
Speaker 3: was the same guy that edit Hammer's video. So when
Speaker 3: he let the song out, a lot of people was
Speaker 3: looking at the marching band and all of it, at
Speaker 3: the Battle of the Band thing and they thought that
Speaker 3: it was like we was trying to make a Hammer video.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you see what I'm saying. So I said,
Speaker 3: it's the true story too. I said, yo, bro, why
Speaker 3: did you edit the video and let it out without
Speaker 3: me being able to look at the video acknowledge what
Speaker 3: it is because I read alert in there, Curtis blowing there.
Speaker 6: They cut all of the different elements that would give
Speaker 6: it the authenticity of the East Coast and showing that love.
Speaker 3: And then when they say they said, man, yo, we
Speaker 3: was just doing so I felt like the respect factor
Speaker 3: was not as high as my respect was for him
Speaker 3: because I guess he was trying to go in there
Speaker 3: right when it dropped. Capital dropped him and the label
Speaker 3: went bankrupt, so the album never came out. So that
Speaker 3: album never came out. The single was coming out, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking now as.
Speaker 5: I'm doing what I got to do album and it
Speaker 5: never can't.
Speaker 3: It can't like Capitol was letting it out and then
Speaker 3: they shut everything down because yeah, you got the album.
Speaker 5: I had to tape. Uh this was this was my
Speaker 5: stepdad before he passed.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he had to tape because my joint on there
Speaker 8: I used to run was the if I was your
Speaker 8: man joint because you was curious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know what I mean? That was my record?
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, man, no that record it came out
Speaker 5: like you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm gonna tell you in regards to when
Speaker 3: Capital Capitol dropped Busted Records and when he dropped Busted Records,
Speaker 3: whatever bust it had or whatever busted on.
Speaker 6: Busted was cut Busted was cut off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bust it was busting. And so then I left
Speaker 3: and when I and when I left, I had to
Speaker 3: you know, I had to rebuild the credibility because people
Speaker 3: was feeling like I was trying to sell out. So
Speaker 3: that wasn't a problem for me because I built my
Speaker 3: career before record. So I went back in the street
Speaker 3: and started to kind of see what was going on.
Speaker 3: I seen PM doing, PM doing was hanging out at
Speaker 3: the club. We were both going to see Prince, so
Speaker 3: we went to see I seen him on my way out.
Speaker 3: It's funny, I didn't even think about this. I was
Speaker 3: seeing him walking out. He said, dumb, Yo, man, I
Speaker 3: love yourself. You're doing anything else? I said, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to come. I got some ideas, he said, Yo, Man,
Speaker 3: my label. Man, I think that, you know, maybe I
Speaker 3: should introduce you to this gotch you shrinking right? He said,
Speaker 3: I think you know him. I think you know him.
Speaker 3: So I said, what's his name? He's his name is John.
Speaker 6: He said, really, I said, let me let me see.
Speaker 3: If I know him.
Speaker 6: I went downtown to G Street, right, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I go in there and I walk in. This was
Speaker 3: my tour guy in nineteen eighty five when I went
Speaker 3: overseas for perform to perform the show on Top of
Speaker 3: the Pops. This guy is the guy who took me
Speaker 3: all through London, and now he got a deal with
Speaker 3: Chris Blackwell. So then after that I sat there. He said, Dougie,
Speaker 3: I always wanted to do something with you. Do you
Speaker 3: got anything? I said, I got these three ideas, I said,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm ready to let him out as
Speaker 3: soon as possible because I need to make sure that
Speaker 3: people do not misunderstand what happened. So then that's when
Speaker 3: I came up with day Right and Free You did Freaks?
Speaker 5: Yes where.
Speaker 2: Years old?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Where is He's.
Speaker 3: Still rock with me? He's still rock with me?
Speaker 5: But does he ever?
Speaker 2: I imagine that he must sound like mad lion right now.
Speaker 4: Now that's funny air, but that's true. Though he can't.
Speaker 3: Say no, no, no no. But but he sounds good.
Speaker 3: It sounds like he mature, but it don't sound like
Speaker 3: he sounds really good. And he sounds like his energy
Speaker 3: is still the same. And when we perform, it's a
Speaker 3: serious situation. But that song, that song, that song right
Speaker 3: there when I when I came back from Jamaica, that's
Speaker 3: when I made that beat because.
Speaker 7: You told you what I'm saying, I feel like reggae
Speaker 7: is coming.
Speaker 3: You told him. I tried to tell him.
Speaker 6: I swear I tried to tell him.
Speaker 3: But you know, but look they was living in you know,
Speaker 3: they had I can't touch this money, so they wasn't
Speaker 3: touching it.
Speaker 2: They wasn't.
Speaker 1: Can you can you talk about your your relationship with
Speaker 1: with with Prince? There is Oh my god, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: did a long apprenticeship. Uh during that time period at
Speaker 1: least three to four the five years, I think almost
Speaker 1: like you know, to see a Prince concert, you knew
Speaker 1: somewhere you were coming.
Speaker 6: Like so how an apprenticeship quess of ques?
Speaker 3: You know? Man? With Prince.
Speaker 6: The only thing that I can honestly say, man, I
Speaker 6: mean this is this.
Speaker 3: This is is one that is a quick one that
Speaker 3: I think you'll appreciate. I was doing. I did something
Speaker 3: for Sindbad. And by the way, I want to acknowledge
Speaker 3: sinn Mad because you know, he had a stroke. So
Speaker 3: Sindbad I went out. Do you remember when he had
Speaker 3: this thing called so Soul Funk and it was on HBO. Yep, yes, okay,
Speaker 3: So Sindbad I went out there to go just to
Speaker 3: hang out.
Speaker 6: And then he told me, Dougie, yo, what you doing
Speaker 6: out here?
Speaker 3: Yo? I want you to get on man, could you
Speaker 3: do something? I was like, yo, I just came out
Speaker 3: here to chill. But all right, no problems. And if
Speaker 3: you know Sinbad, his energy is crazy. So it was like,
Speaker 3: You're going to say yes to me no matter what.
Speaker 3: So now I'm in a Ruba trying to find a
Speaker 3: studio because I'm thinking, damn, I need to get something,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking at a CD that got that got
Speaker 3: got to be real on there. I say, yo, man,
Speaker 3: let me let me sample this. Pressing it out on
Speaker 3: a keyboard studio was real, under budget, not top of
Speaker 3: the line. I press out got to be real, so
Speaker 3: I loop it. So then I go back on stage
Speaker 3: in the night, I go on stage and I say,
Speaker 3: he said, you're gonna do something for me. I say yeah.
Speaker 3: They played the music for me and HBO was not
Speaker 3: supposed to tape me performing. So I get on and
Speaker 3: I'm performing and the place is going crazy. The crowd
Speaker 3: is going crazy. It's moving. They never had a hip
Speaker 3: hop and turned into something now. HBO was taping it
Speaker 3: without me knowing it because they told him. You know,
Speaker 3: this is Dougie just doing something, but that little something
Speaker 3: turned into something crazy. So then later HBO said, Yo, man, Yo,
Speaker 3: could we show this because this this thing is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Did you see what this guy did? So then HBO
Speaker 3: played it and it kept playing it every week like constantly, right,
Speaker 3: so Prince seeing it. So when Prince seen it, he said, YO,
Speaker 3: called Dougie up and see if he could meet me
Speaker 3: in Atlanta two because I want him to come to
Speaker 3: my show and perform. So I get to this show.
Speaker 3: I'm backstage and he said, yo, jo, I already got
Speaker 3: a set going on now, so I'm gonna do my show,
Speaker 3: but I want to know could you come with me
Speaker 3: to the after party. I said all right, I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I heard you wanted me to come here cool. So
Speaker 3: I went to the after party. And this is when
Speaker 3: Left Eye was alive. So we go to the after
Speaker 3: party and Left Eye meets me and meet Prince and
Speaker 3: she's like bugging out, like, yo, I can't even believe
Speaker 3: y'all too here at the same time, So I asked Prince.
Speaker 3: Prince said, yo, I seen you on HBO. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 3: What made you come up with that? I said, Now
Speaker 3: it was this free styling. He said, okay. He said, well,
Speaker 3: let me ask you. You think you can get on
Speaker 3: to night. I said, yeah, no problem, he said, but
Speaker 3: I want to. I want to ask you, I said,
Speaker 3: before I get on. I just and he wasn't called
Speaker 3: prince at the time we called him. You ain't know
Speaker 3: what to call him, so you know, you call him
Speaker 3: the artist or whatever. I said, I just want to
Speaker 3: know when I get on, how far you want me
Speaker 3: to go? He said, I want you to turn this
Speaker 3: mom out. I said no, I said, but I want
Speaker 3: to know how far do you want me to go?
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I want to respect what you do.
Speaker 3: What you're asking. Because I got on with Dre and
Speaker 3: snooping them and them when they came to New York
Speaker 3: and Dre pulled me to the side. It was like, Dougie,
Speaker 3: I want you to get on, but please don't go
Speaker 3: right right right, And when he said that to me,
Speaker 3: When he said that to me, I was saying, like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean by that? Like don't you want
Speaker 3: me to? And then I got on and I felt
Speaker 3: I didn't. I listened to him, and I felt bad
Speaker 3: that I didn't go all the way. So after that,
Speaker 3: I said, I got to ask a person how they
Speaker 3: feel so that they don't feel like I'm trying to
Speaker 3: upstage their setting. So I learned that. So long story short,
Speaker 3: prince sss, I want you to turn and he said
Speaker 3: it in my ear. Yeah, So after that, I said yo,
Speaker 3: I said okay, Well, if that's what you want me
Speaker 3: to do, I said, well, that is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: And I got on with him that night.
Speaker 6: When I got on with him that night, I took
Speaker 6: him to a place that he ain't never but then
Speaker 6: when it comes to this.
Speaker 3: Thing, so this is what he did. So I came
Speaker 3: down there this whole thing, and at the time I
Speaker 3: was dating, I was when I when I was dating
Speaker 3: Miss Jones, I was down there.
Speaker 6: The thing for Sindbad.
Speaker 3: So I went down there and I didn't expect that,
Speaker 3: so I did it based on the energy. I did
Speaker 3: Sindbad in favor. They taped it. I didn't know they
Speaker 3: were gonna tape it. Then they showed it on HBO
Speaker 3: and it explodes and everybody and it was fun. And
Speaker 3: actually after that, Sheryl Lynn was booked on the Soul
Speaker 3: Funk Festival after that because how impactful it was. And
Speaker 3: then came Sugarhill Gang and all of the other groups.
Speaker 3: So moving into Prince, he's seen it. When he's seen it,
Speaker 3: he called up Lindelle McMillan, who was my lawyer. Wow right.
Speaker 3: And when he called up lindown line there and said, yo, Doug,
Speaker 3: he said, can you come down to Atlanta? So I
Speaker 3: went down there and I took Grandmaster Caz. I took
Speaker 3: Grandmaster Cast because he loved Prince and he told me that.
Speaker 3: He said, Doug, if you ever meet him, I just
Speaker 3: want you to do me one favor. Please introduce me
Speaker 3: to him. So I was like, okay, I brought him
Speaker 3: with me. So I go down there. Left eye is there,
Speaker 3: she's in rere form, she's vibing. Energy is good. He
Speaker 3: gets in my ear. After I asked him, I said, brother,
Speaker 3: I just want to be respectful to your set. You know,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, and I don't want to do anything
Speaker 3: that's gonna make you feel that I'm doing that. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to be disrespectful. And he was like, look, let
Speaker 3: me tell you something. I want you to turn this
Speaker 3: out to the he said, he said all the way out.
Speaker 3: I turned around, said, no problem, m And after that
Speaker 3: I got on and I turned that out to the
Speaker 3: point back after it was over, we kept doing encore
Speaker 3: after encore because question no artists go we me and him.
Speaker 3: They can go for two, two hours three, it doesn't
Speaker 3: really even stop.
Speaker 1: Like do you do you have a do you have
Speaker 1: a not an itinerary, but do you have a routine
Speaker 1: bag that you go through, like when you do your
Speaker 1: come again rhyme? Or you're uh, I can't even you
Speaker 1: know right right, like I know your go to dougie
Speaker 1: isms that can like how many of those do you
Speaker 1: have in your head when it's time to just get
Speaker 1: on someone set?
Speaker 2: Like do you have like thirty things already thought out?
Speaker 2: Like okay, well.
Speaker 3: It goes back to the same thing that I was
Speaker 3: telling you, I'm not thinking, I'm feeling, and what I'm
Speaker 3: feeling is what I'm doing.
Speaker 6: So there's no there's no ism.
Speaker 3: It is. It just is, and it is at that
Speaker 3: moment of now, and no matter what it is, it
Speaker 3: will be what I wanted to be and that is
Speaker 3: what it is. So and I don't mean that in
Speaker 3: an ego way. I mean that from a spiritual perspective
Speaker 3: that I'm coming to the table with energy. Like like
Speaker 3: when we were switching to this for a second and
Speaker 3: going back to the story when y'all did Dave Chappelle
Speaker 3: and he just called me, I was just coming to
Speaker 3: see this. I just came to see y'all. I didn't
Speaker 3: come to get on stage, like I swear, that wasn't
Speaker 3: my goal. I was just there to see you him
Speaker 3: and all that. I say, yeah, let me see this.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be nice. And out of nowhere, somebody,
Speaker 3: I think caller or somebody was saying, Dougie, they want
Speaker 3: you to come on stage, and then Dave is saying, yo, here, man, yo,
Speaker 3: go on do it. So in my mind there's a
Speaker 3: switch that just kind of automatically go off, and I'm
Speaker 3: going all.
Speaker 6: The way end unless you tell me don't.
Speaker 3: And then if you tell me don't, I might just
Speaker 3: say let them do it, and I'm just stand on
Speaker 3: the side and watch, because I don't ever want to
Speaker 3: feel like I'm making somebody feel funny. And I don't
Speaker 3: ever want to feel funny if I don't do what
Speaker 3: I naturally feel I want to do. So that night,
Speaker 3: he had me in a tough situation and the clock
Speaker 3: was ticking and I was looking back at you. You
Speaker 3: was frustrated at him about the clock, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I don't want us to be mad at me, I said,
Speaker 3: I don't want us to be mad at me. God
Speaker 3: keep telling me, go hard, go on. And then Usher
Speaker 3: jumped on the stage, Todd t I jumped on the stage,
Speaker 3: and you was looking at them. It's a wrap, it's over.
Speaker 1: Let me let me explain to our audience. Okay, So
Speaker 1: New York is very old school. In New York is
Speaker 1: what we call a union town. Like you cannot step
Speaker 1: on the stage in New York City unless you play
Speaker 1: exuberant fines. If you go overtime, they're they're antal retentive
Speaker 1: with sound checks, with shooting cameras. If you bring a
Speaker 1: camera out a Radio City Music Hall that's like twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Like New York will find a way
Speaker 1: to tax you just for simple things. It's a very
Speaker 1: old school thing. So what Doug is referencing is whenever
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle does his like long residencies at Radio City
Speaker 1: Music Hall, you know he'll do like fifteen twenty shows
Speaker 1: or whatever. David's is one of those guys that also
Speaker 1: just lives by his heart, and I guess that he
Speaker 1: has the deep pockets to you know.
Speaker 2: And as of this speaking, I saw Dave last.
Speaker 1: Night at Madison Square Garden with rock Him Buster Rhymes,
Speaker 1: and you know, the Union guys are like usually in
Speaker 1: New York, especially at Madison Square Garden, especially at Radio City.
Speaker 1: I'll say that for every five minutes you go over,
Speaker 1: that's like ten thousand dollars. So the whole goal is
Speaker 1: like when it's ten fifty nine, shut the show down,
Speaker 1: not at a Dave heel afan. So so at this point,
Speaker 1: when Dave is calling everyone on stage, I know we
Speaker 1: got like four minutes left, and all I'm thinking about is, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're about to lose a lot of money here, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be responsible for that. So at
Speaker 1: ten fifty nine, I want the promoters. And you know
Speaker 1: I'm the hall monitor of him.
Speaker 2: Pop. Everyone will tell you I'm the hall monitor hip
Speaker 2: hop right right right.
Speaker 1: I'm the guy decided like, hey, promoter, I'm I'm following
Speaker 1: union rules.
Speaker 2: That's Dave Jabelle, not me, you know, but anyway, continue
Speaker 2: right right?
Speaker 3: No, that's crazy, that's crazy. The way you just said that.
Speaker 3: The crazy. I never heard nobody say that, yo, yo,
Speaker 3: And you know what, I've seen it in your face
Speaker 3: when we was doing it, I was like, I said, man, question, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's trying to get everybody out of here. I said, well,
Speaker 3: Dave just won't stop, and he keeps telling me go harder.
Speaker 3: I said, I'm torn between should I listen to the
Speaker 3: hall monitor?
Speaker 2: Should I do not?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like using twenty five thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: nobody on my watch, Like I'm a guy that start.
Speaker 3: On time, you know, And he didn't even care.
Speaker 2: So he's rich, right, hitch bitch.
Speaker 3: Yo. So so because of that and because of that
Speaker 3: kind of energy, I'm always careful because I don't want
Speaker 3: nobody to feel like I'm trying to do something to
Speaker 3: you or take something. So long story short, I get
Speaker 3: on with Pete Prince yo. He's like this, go harder, yeah,
Speaker 3: go harder, give me more. So after this over the
Speaker 3: band and everybody, we go to the roof. They got
Speaker 3: this little roof. We're sitting out there. He's sitting there
Speaker 3: looking at me like this. I'm telling you that I
Speaker 3: can't make this up. Bro. He looking at me like this,
Speaker 3: just sitting here looking at me. And then the band
Speaker 3: is standing around him and he goes, how about it? Band?
Speaker 3: What do you think? And it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you crazy? What do we think? Are you serious? Did
Speaker 3: you see what he just did? I and the whole
Speaker 3: band is going crazy enough? He turned out. He said,
Speaker 3: so what do you want to do? I said, oh, man,
Speaker 3: I came out to do what I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: I had some fun with you. Man said this Grandma
Speaker 3: say cast Cats is sitting there like this, like looking
Speaker 3: at him like that, right, So what I'm saying in there,
Speaker 3: and I'm like cats cast you know ca? He said,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, this is great night,
Speaker 3: great night. And then and then first look at me,
Speaker 3: he said, so what you want to do? You want
Speaker 3: to be down with MPG or what I turn. I
Speaker 3: turned about. I'm looking out. I look at Cass right,
Speaker 3: and this is real. I look at Cass. I'm like
Speaker 3: your cats. Oh, this guy's funny, yoe like in my mind.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, okay, whatever I said, Man, I just
Speaker 3: came out, man, I said, I wasn't. I said, I
Speaker 3: ain't come out here for no paper. I just came
Speaker 3: out to show you love because you deserved that, you know.
Speaker 3: And he and I said, I said, and your band
Speaker 3: was fun and I enjoyed it. I said, but we're
Speaker 3: gonna leave because you know, it was a nice night.
Speaker 3: So it's a tree there, right. He takes a leaf
Speaker 3: off the tree and he go like this, and he go, what, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you you take the leave. We go here
Speaker 3: go he go, okay, all right good And then after
Speaker 3: I said, I'm looking at him and I was like,
Speaker 3: I was supposed to eat a leaf too. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 3: where we're going with this one? But I said yo,
Speaker 3: but I like your stop. I like what you just
Speaker 3: did right there. So after that, I get up and
Speaker 3: I leave, and the band and everybody's saying goodbye. I
Speaker 3: get back home, kays is blown away. I get a call.
Speaker 3: Cause said, yo, the artist wants you to come on,
Speaker 3: wants you to come out, and he want to know.
Speaker 3: Can you meet him tomorrow night in Oklahoma? He said
Speaker 3: he got twenty days and he just wanted to know
Speaker 3: what do you want? I said, are you serious? And
Speaker 3: that was the beginning of me and Prince and it
Speaker 3: never stopped after that. And it got so deep that
Speaker 3: he used to ask me and he would and he appreciated.
Speaker 3: He was sick. So where do you think I should
Speaker 3: come out? What songs? What's the order of these songs
Speaker 3: you think I should do? And I said, yo, you
Speaker 3: gotta come out of the crowd. Like it was me
Speaker 3: and him Shaka can Lorry Graham, we had make Ceo,
Speaker 3: we had Nasea. He said, so should I come out
Speaker 3: the crowd? Right? I said, ye, come out here. I said,
Speaker 3: when you come to New York, you gotta do pop life.
Speaker 3: He was like, here you think so?
Speaker 6: I said, I know so, and he would listen.
Speaker 3: He would let me, you are the curator, right, He.
Speaker 6: Would let me design the shows. When we did Essen's Festival.
Speaker 3: I had another technique that I was coming up with
Speaker 3: as far as different performances. So I started out in
Speaker 3: the audience with the turntables because he never wanted to
Speaker 3: use turntables. I said, no, we're gonna use turntables, but
Speaker 3: you never used them like this, So I would start
Speaker 3: what did turntables?
Speaker 6: And I get the audience to the point it was crazy.
Speaker 3: We was at Essence Festival, right, and it was eighty
Speaker 3: thousand eighty Yo, it was eighty thousand. And before we
Speaker 3: went to the Essence, we did the some bold place
Speaker 3: in LA And then later on that night, we're sitting
Speaker 3: down and then he says to me, yeah, yeah, yeah, Hollywood, Hollywood,
Speaker 3: that's right. He's sitting down with me, and he says,
Speaker 3: Essence magazine is in here and they want to interview me.
Speaker 3: Could you talk to them? Can you talk to them
Speaker 3: for me too? So I start talking to him and
Speaker 3: he started telling him how this thing worked. He said,
Speaker 3: you see see how you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: don't even got to say it because that's how we
Speaker 3: locked in. And then afterwards then we were meeting LA
Speaker 3: and they said, yo, he wants you to meet him
Speaker 3: at this club. I go to the club. He's sitting
Speaker 3: in this room on the other side. The party's bouncing
Speaker 3: and he's sitting in there by himself with a little
Speaker 3: cup with like like some coffee and some honey, and
Speaker 3: he's sitting there like this. And he's sitting there like this,
Speaker 3: and he said, you know, we're supposed to do the Essence.
Speaker 3: So how you think we need to do this? I said,
Speaker 3: I said, how you think we need to do this?
Speaker 3: He said, I'm going rock, I'm going straight rock. I said,
Speaker 3: all I said, all due respect, I don't think that that's.
Speaker 5: I said, I said, and then.
Speaker 6: Anybody. He said, so what you think?
Speaker 3: I said, I think we need to do what we do,
Speaker 3: but you need to do the hits. I said, this
Speaker 3: is a black audience. And I said, I want to
Speaker 3: hear hit after hit after hit. And I said, I said, Well,
Speaker 3: before we get to the hits, I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take the turntables and I'm gonna set it up in
Speaker 3: the middle of the crowd and I'm gonna get this
Speaker 3: thing pumped up to the point that is that is ridiculous,
Speaker 3: and then I'm going to pass it to you onto
Speaker 3: the stage and you're gonna hit him with a hit
Speaker 3: after hit after hit.
Speaker 6: He said, Okay, I got it. We went to the essence.
Speaker 3: I went into the crowd, like I said, set it up,
Speaker 3: and I had like eighty thousand people doing the wobble.
Speaker 6: The damn building was shaken. Yeah, right that night he
Speaker 6: was there.
Speaker 7: Yeah about that stage, No, no, no, the.
Speaker 3: Whole building was shaken. I have never felt nothing like
Speaker 3: that other than probably Chuck Brown at Capital Center or
Speaker 3: something ridiculous. So after it was over, I mean, after that,
Speaker 3: I get it to a certain point. I know it's
Speaker 3: crazy because mc light came over to me and said,
Speaker 3: do you feel that? Do you feel that? Like that?
Speaker 3: So that's when I knew it was serious. So then
Speaker 3: I passed it to him on the stage. And when
Speaker 3: I passed it to him on the stage, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: It just it was crazy, man.
Speaker 7: And then that's one of all times day I think
Speaker 7: that was the best.
Speaker 3: They definitely, they definitely say that it was definitely up
Speaker 3: there because it was nothing. It was nothing close, But
Speaker 3: that was the kind of relationship we had because it
Speaker 3: was like hanging out with a dude who was just
Speaker 3: as like he didn't care as much as I don't care,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like we be riding around
Speaker 3: in the night and it'll be like you want to go,
Speaker 3: you want to go to the club where I started at.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, let's go in there. And you know
Speaker 3: that big guy who plays the drums and used to
Speaker 3: play the drums on the Real Yeah, he was sitting
Speaker 3: there one night. We're sitting there.
Speaker 6: And he said, do you feel like doing something tonight?
Speaker 3: I said, you feel like doing something tonight? He turned around.
Speaker 3: He said yeah. I said, but but but but you
Speaker 3: ain't got to do nothing, I said, I said, let me,
Speaker 3: I'll do something with him. He said, all right, but
Speaker 3: but I go in there and get on with with
Speaker 3: Bland and the band that they have in there. Turn
Speaker 3: that into something. Jump back in the limo, drive out
Speaker 3: to his house. We're sitting in a lemo talking and
Speaker 3: he and he told me something that was crazy, man.
Speaker 6: He said, at one time, he said.
Speaker 3: The Time was a band that when he when he
Speaker 3: had to get on after them, he was nervous, he said,
Speaker 3: because the Time generated so much excitement, so much celebration,
Speaker 3: so much energy that he said he felt like when
Speaker 3: he got on after it went to such a high.
Speaker 3: That he's doing all of these different things, but he
Speaker 3: can't he can't create that that. You know that jungle love,
Speaker 3: know that, he said, then he said to me, he said,
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of performers. He said that I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, he said, you are the most unusual and
Speaker 3: the most shocking that I have ever seen. He said,
Speaker 3: I don't know why God brought me and you together,
Speaker 3: but he said, you make me feel that same kind
Speaker 3: of thing, but on another level that I felt with
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 6: And he said, and I'm glad that.
Speaker 3: You whip me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that is literally you have no fear.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I want our audience to know,
Speaker 1: like you literally have you have zero fear. Wait, before
Speaker 1: we go, we got to talk about the Chuck Brown project.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know something Okay, when you when you
Speaker 1: were telling the story of the show, it kind of
Speaker 1: it kind of hit me. And you know, I know
Speaker 1: that it's never going on record before.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: The the that the perception is that Go Go really
Speaker 1: never got its just due, but it's just we never
Speaker 1: New Jack Swing is basically Go Go And I really
Speaker 1: didn't truly realize that until wow, like moments ago. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if you listen to like I mean, the show is
Speaker 1: essentially Go Go, it's New Jack Swing.
Speaker 2: Also, it's a part of.
Speaker 1: It, but teddy, but I think it's electronic. I think
Speaker 1: it's electronic go go, and we just never called it that.
Speaker 3: So I agree. I agree with you. I agree with
Speaker 3: you now. And I never looked at it like that
Speaker 3: because see, and this and this is not to take
Speaker 3: nothing from nobody.
Speaker 6: I'm not that guy. I'm not even built like that.
Speaker 3: But that thing about the way to beat plays and
Speaker 3: me beat it like I programmed.
Speaker 6: I basically he put on a metron.
Speaker 3: On and I played it out and I put these things,
Speaker 3: and I you know, I needed the guy who was
Speaker 3: technically savvy to allow me to get on that drum
Speaker 3: machine and do what I do. Because anything I like
Speaker 3: when I did Freaks Beef, if I did Rising to
Speaker 3: the Top beat, if I do Lotti Doty, I make
Speaker 3: the beat. So it's what I do. When I did
Speaker 3: Original Human Beatbox, I make the beat. So when this
Speaker 3: happened and I was making the show that swing, I
Speaker 3: never thought about it from go go because you know,
Speaker 3: as a kid, I used to play the juke box
Speaker 3: in the pool room around my block where we were.
Speaker 3: They are games and all that and keep us out
Speaker 3: of the street, but they had busting loose in the
Speaker 3: jukebox and I was hearing it. I said, Charlotte, get it,
Speaker 3: y'all say what you like, back to back to back
Speaker 3: to back. So I think that that feeling influenced me
Speaker 3: when I was in the show, because it's the swing.
Speaker 3: It's that, it's that, it's the movement of it. And then,
Speaker 3: like you said, which I think is really a great observation,
Speaker 3: and I never thought about that that this show is
Speaker 3: a go go record.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: But you are the first person in the history, though,
Speaker 4: to do something besides a collaboration with the genre, like right, Doug, Like,
Speaker 4: technically you're the only person of note that has given
Speaker 4: this kind of love to that genre in this way.
Speaker 5: Right, in this way Herbie Love Loug used to like
Speaker 5: sample lot like yeah, but not in a yeah, he's
Speaker 5: not like the way he's doing it.
Speaker 7: It was always a collaboration, but not a total like dedication,
Speaker 7: love letter and inspiration kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So how did the project come together?
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, man. I was and I'm telling you
Speaker 3: the truth again. I was sleeping and out of nowhere
Speaker 3: something said write a song about Chuck Brown. And when
Speaker 3: it said write a song about Chuck Brown, I picked
Speaker 3: up the pen and I just wrote the song and
Speaker 3: I made the beat, and on the beat, some of
Speaker 3: those drum sounds are me because I couldn't find certain
Speaker 3: sounds that I wanted for this effect that I was
Speaker 3: looking for with the Go Go. So now what I
Speaker 3: do is I'll go in there and I'll do my
Speaker 3: own I'll be the high hat with the drum. I'll
Speaker 3: be the other snare on top of the snare. I'll
Speaker 3: put my low tone.
Speaker 6: Based drum under the foot.
Speaker 3: So now the way that I do beats is I'm
Speaker 3: I'm always intertwining now my own drum sounds on top
Speaker 3: of drum sets, because I don't think they have all
Speaker 3: of the drum sounds that I can hear anymore, so
Speaker 3: I make them up. So I started to build the track,
Speaker 3: and when I built the track, I was writing. I
Speaker 3: was writing a song to it. And then it was
Speaker 3: interesting to me because I was like, why am I
Speaker 3: doing this? And that I thought about the way I
Speaker 3: met Chuck Run from Run DMC was the guy who
Speaker 3: told me, because we was on the show together in
Speaker 3: Capital Center eighty five. He told me, yo, you ever
Speaker 3: been you ever seen Chuck Brown? You ever heard Go Go?
Speaker 3: I said, nah, I know, Chuck Brown, but what's Go Go?
Speaker 3: He said, you ain't seen a Go Go concert? He said, Yo, wait,
Speaker 3: GC this not I turned around. I changed my stuff up, bro.
Speaker 3: I went up in there to get there early. Chuck
Speaker 3: Brown burnt this shit down to the floor to the
Speaker 3: point that it was madness. I'm talking about you want
Speaker 3: to talk about you want to see a spiritual, like
Speaker 3: like out of body experience. Play Go Go, Play Go
Speaker 3: Go with twenty thousand black people in the spot and
Speaker 3: white people that understand play it, and you're going to
Speaker 3: see a whole, a whole kind of experiences that you
Speaker 3: never seen. So then I ran, he got off. I
Speaker 3: went backstage, started talking to him. I started telling him
Speaker 3: how incredible his performance was. He started telling me how
Speaker 3: he loves the show. He loves Lotty Dottie, he thinks
Speaker 3: that what I'm doing is really unique. And then we
Speaker 3: just became friends from eighty five all the way to
Speaker 3: when he performed on the Capitol Lawn. He called me up.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that would be one of our last performances.
Speaker 3: And I got on with him there and he was
Speaker 3: such a beautiful spirit, and I looked at him like
Speaker 3: I look at myself where I felt like he was
Speaker 3: he created something, and sometimes when a person creates something,
Speaker 3: like you said quest, which was really deep, the person
Speaker 3: who's the first person that created may not always be
Speaker 3: the one that's acknowledged, you know. And I felt like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure that you acknowledged Chuck Brown.
Speaker 3: When you hear Beyonce's joint, you know, the first joint
Speaker 3: that she did with Crazy.
Speaker 4: Rich Harrison, he always gonna put that go Go up.
Speaker 3: Right right, like I want y'all to know, this is
Speaker 3: the guy that did this, and this energy that y'all feeling,
Speaker 3: this is the guy.
Speaker 6: And I guess spiritually there was something.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is that Prince before he passed,
Speaker 3: he was going to produce my next album and he
Speaker 3: wanted me to do a live album and he loved
Speaker 3: Go Go, so she did right right, So he wanted
Speaker 3: me to do something. I think in this kind of
Speaker 3: a way that I did it because it's live and
Speaker 3: at the same time it's go Go, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know I was going to be putting it together like this,
Speaker 3: but it worked out and let me.
Speaker 4: Clear my throat.
Speaker 7: Though Doug, like you already out of your relationship with
Speaker 7: Go Go is like continue all day. Can you talk
Speaker 7: about for a second, because I was just catching up
Speaker 7: and watching that video earlier and I was like, Yo, please.
Speaker 4: Tell me about this video shoot with you biz DJ
Speaker 4: Cool like in this club. I know it's got to
Speaker 4: be a story.
Speaker 3: And Yo, I tell you the quick Cool told me,
Speaker 3: like I'm coming to the video. I pull up. Cool said, hey, dug,
Speaker 3: what's going on? No, Like, I don't even know what
Speaker 3: he wants? He said, Yo, like I know he want
Speaker 3: to do somebody. I mean, I don't really know. He said, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: I need a boss from you. Do you got him
Speaker 3: write there like like, are you ready to do this now?
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, okay, Cool, let's do it. He said, okay,
Speaker 3: Cool like no notice, no, here's your part where you
Speaker 3: put your verse? No no, nothing, no no nothing. So
Speaker 3: after that, so he's and then he told me later
Speaker 3: he said, well, you know, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3: I told you to do that because I think you
Speaker 3: probably one of the only guys that could really do that.
Speaker 6: And don't make it seem like you're doing.
Speaker 3: That, because I mean it is DC. Yeah, we just
Speaker 3: started free styling and then like the Tupac on there.
Speaker 6: It was just something spiritually that made me say that.
Speaker 4: You know, so that was a live song and video
Speaker 4: at the same time. Y'all take the time.
Speaker 3: Wow, it was in Philip what that's right?
Speaker 2: It was It was at the Bahama Bay and Philipdelia.
Speaker 4: He says it.
Speaker 2: Yes, he says it, bro crazy crazy.
Speaker 1: You know this, this is a legendary, legendary lesson.
Speaker 7: And thank you for giving love to to to everybody
Speaker 7: and go go in the song to because you didn't
Speaker 7: just give love to Chuck.
Speaker 4: You gave love to the areas.
Speaker 3: You gave love.
Speaker 4: To to all the legends. So it was I just
Speaker 4: want to I'm sorry, I'm mayor. I didn't mean to
Speaker 4: cut you say that.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you so.
Speaker 4: Thank you man.
Speaker 3: Because he used to do play this only at night
Speaker 3: and the way he would do it, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, it's I still feel like I did in
Speaker 3: the beginning, that you still got You gotta follow your
Speaker 3: spirit and it's not going to always be popular. And
Speaker 3: sometimes you're doing things because they just supposed to be done.
Speaker 3: I remember Prince told me when he wrote Kiss. He said,
Speaker 3: when he wrote Kiss, he had to forget how to
Speaker 3: make records, meaning he had to simplify everything. So when
Speaker 3: you hear it, they kiss like he said, he stripped
Speaker 3: it down right right, And when he stripped it down,
Speaker 3: he said, it's because he had to go into a
Speaker 3: space where he had to simplify things. And I feel
Speaker 3: as an artist that you go into these spaces for
Speaker 3: reasons and it sets you up for something else that
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do. But you gotta go there though,
Speaker 3: to get there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know what connected me to make this Go
Speaker 3: Go album, but I knew I had to make it.
Speaker 3: I knew it was important. And the brother who shot
Speaker 3: the album cover he called me. And when he called me,
Speaker 3: it was a friend of mine who would go and
Speaker 3: film me in different places and stuff. And he has
Speaker 3: diabetes type too, And he called me and he said, Dougie.
Speaker 3: His name is Bobby Gunn. He said, Dougie, Yo, man,
Speaker 3: I know you into this health thing, man, but I'm
Speaker 3: dealing with his diabetes and I'm going to make sure
Speaker 3: that I don't do something that's gonna cause me to
Speaker 3: How many probably say, yo, you got any suggestions? So
Speaker 3: I'm on the phone talking to him about it, going
Speaker 3: through the whole diabetic conversation, telling him, don't do this here.
Speaker 3: You like sodas drinker zvia Zba is a sugar free
Speaker 3: soda and it's not an asparteam. It hires stevia and
Speaker 3: it is good. And he said, oh, thank you, Doug,
Speaker 3: thank you, and I hang up the phone with him.
Speaker 3: And he only called me for that and I shared
Speaker 3: that one. He said, but Doug, yo, I got some
Speaker 3: pictures I took and I want to send them to you.
Speaker 3: And you know, just some pictures I took a while ago.
Speaker 3: He sent me the pictures. All of the pictures was
Speaker 3: of me and Chuck Brown. And he didn't even know
Speaker 3: I was making this song. He didn't even know I
Speaker 3: was making the song. And then I looked at one
Speaker 3: of the pictures.
Speaker 6: I said, Yo, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: This is crazy. I called him. I said, Yo, I
Speaker 3: just wrote a song called Chuck Brown. What's the odds
Speaker 3: of you sending me this? I said? Can I use
Speaker 3: this shot? Could I use this shot? And the shot
Speaker 3: that I made the album cover was the shot that
Speaker 3: that brother gave to me. So this is what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to explain. Sometime I think things just kind of
Speaker 3: right right. So yeah, so that's what the album represents
Speaker 3: to me, and I appreciate y'all having me on here
Speaker 3: to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And brother, thank you kept y'all on a little long, No,
Speaker 1: we kept you man. We love it right, yeah, we
Speaker 1: lived for these episodes.
Speaker 7: I almost gotta tell folks, and six hours Jimmy jam
Speaker 7: you are right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is all right, this is right up there with it.
Speaker 1: No, for real, I want to thank you like your
Speaker 1: your your wisdom and your life lessons and your lessons
Speaker 1: on fear.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna apply that.
Speaker 1: This is an awesome world's greatest entertainer Yes, and unpaid
Speaker 1: Bill and and Sugar Steve and like, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is yo. I got one last question.
Speaker 8: I've asked this if you've got time, okay, And I'm
Speaker 8: only asking this because it's you, because I normally hate
Speaker 8: when people ask this question.
Speaker 5: For you. Who are your favorite season?
Speaker 8: Not necessarily your top you ain't got to say the
Speaker 8: top five whatever, but who are your face? And the
Speaker 8: reason I ask is because you're probably one of the
Speaker 8: first like real like vets that we've had on in
Speaker 8: terms of being able to work with DJ Hollywood and
Speaker 8: you know, I mean, you're from that.
Speaker 5: You know that first contrast straight up, so you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 8: So just to hear it from you from og like you,
Speaker 8: who are who do you consider your top MC's.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting the people that I consider top
Speaker 3: MC's is a very interesting topic because I understand the
Speaker 3: DNA of where different styles come from. So when I'm
Speaker 3: looking at different people that other people like, I know
Speaker 3: where that style was birthed and why you like it
Speaker 3: or or how it evolved to become that. So DJ
Speaker 3: Hollywood is a very important piece of the puzzle for me,
Speaker 3: because there was no style. He says, say, oh he
Speaker 3: wrote that. He said throw your hands in the air
Speaker 3: and wave him like you just don't kid. He he
Speaker 3: was the guy who was who jumped that off because
Speaker 3: he was bringing celebration, you see. So that was an
Speaker 3: important piece of the puzzle, and in the beginning it
Speaker 3: was one of the most important pieces. And Curtis Blow
Speaker 3: got it from him and loved bug Starsky told me
Speaker 3: that when he asked him, I said, yo, Love, who
Speaker 3: was the first person you've seen do this? Bro on
Speaker 3: that mic? He sat there and said, Hollywood. I turned
Speaker 3: around for real he said, Dougie, he said it was.
Speaker 3: He said, I was sitting in the car as a kid,
Speaker 3: and some dude that had an eight track player in
Speaker 3: his car, and Hollywood made the first mixtape on an
Speaker 3: eight track he said, with your play and play and play,
Speaker 3: he said, he said, And I just sat there and
Speaker 3: I said, I want to be like that.
Speaker 6: I want to do that.
Speaker 3: So then you got you got love. You got love.
Speaker 3: But then you got busy b crowd Rockey right, and
Speaker 3: they from ball with the ball and both of them
Speaker 3: doing that. So you got this whole line. So Hollywood
Speaker 3: is an important piece. Melle mel is an important piece.
Speaker 3: It's an important piece. His style, not just the message,
Speaker 3: just his whole confidence in the way that he brought
Speaker 3: what he did Grandmaster Cas. He brought that clever, slick
Speaker 3: thing that you like about King. And when you listen
Speaker 3: in the mal you like k r S. And then
Speaker 3: you got mo D And when you got Mod, you
Speaker 3: listening in the mod, you hear him a rod kill
Speaker 3: you hearing NOAs So the bloodline I learned directly from
Speaker 3: the bloodline directly, and then and then while I learned that,
Speaker 3: then then I had to carve out my space and
Speaker 3: create this beatbox thing, which is a completely different dimension
Speaker 3: from everything. So when people talk about MC's and who
Speaker 3: is this and who's that, it's a little different from
Speaker 3: me because it's the same about Chuck. Because you like
Speaker 3: you like rare Essence, then you like Chuck.
Speaker 6: You like EU, then you like Chuck.
Speaker 3: Like whoever you want to decide that you want to
Speaker 3: you better, You're gonna go back to Chuck, you see
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So even when you like like I know,
Speaker 3: I knew James Brown, James Brown, and I'm very close
Speaker 3: to the family. And James Brown liked me a lot.
Speaker 3: And he used to tell me, Son, read your Bible, Son,
Speaker 3: read your Bible, and always take care of your teeth.
Speaker 3: And then he said, and always take care of your feet.
Speaker 1: These are that's that's that's a James that's a James
Speaker 1: John classic right there.
Speaker 3: Take care of your teeth and your feet.
Speaker 2: You have the best teeth in hip hop.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me let me, let me ask
Speaker 1: the opposite of Let me ask the opposite of fante,
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Who are your top three beat boxers?
Speaker 7: Not you?
Speaker 1: Who are your top three beat boxers? And there's a
Speaker 1: lot to choose from now.
Speaker 3: Right, I like rosell I was hoping, I was wondering, Yo.
Speaker 2: I forgot Roselle was in my group.
Speaker 4: I was just.
Speaker 2: I don't even asked that. I didn't even ask that
Speaker 2: fishing for a Roselle answer. I just straight forgot.
Speaker 3: I know that name.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Roselle.
Speaker 3: Look, I even did a record for rosel I did
Speaker 3: one win him for a d J. Hawston be out
Speaker 3: in Japan, and I said, yeah, let's do I think Rozelle.
Speaker 3: I think scratch Man was just I mean, I mean
Speaker 3: as far as being like like so authentic and real
Speaker 3: and the way he sound, I just I so much
Speaker 3: loved the way he sound. I mean, I was always
Speaker 3: so impressed with him, and and just out of a
Speaker 3: you know, to me, it's really I mean those two
Speaker 3: and Kenny X, I like a lot.
Speaker 2: I forgot about Kennedy. Yes, shout out to Kenny X.
Speaker 1: Have you ever battled Buffy at all? Like, have you
Speaker 1: guys ever been on the stage together and did something?
Speaker 3: Or we were supposed to at Brighton High School in
Speaker 3: eighty three or eighty four. I'll send you a flyer
Speaker 3: and they put us on the flyer. DST was there
Speaker 3: red Alert was supposed to be there, and this was
Speaker 3: before there was records, and they was calling him just
Speaker 3: go three and uh. And I went down there because
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that they had to set up
Speaker 3: for me to do that. So I came in there
Speaker 3: and I seen him and I said, y'all want to
Speaker 3: do this tonight? And I've got said that. I said,
Speaker 3: so I'm I'm aa battle him and then I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take y'all two out. And you know, because because because
Speaker 3: it was it was fun. It's not like we was fighting.
Speaker 3: It was just about you. And then afterwards it never happened.
Speaker 3: And then we did a couple of shows together and
Speaker 3: we never did and I never really had any interest
Speaker 3: in doing it anymore because I mean, Buffy was such
Speaker 3: a good guy and such a nice person that it
Speaker 3: was like, yo, man, I don't feel good about battling
Speaker 3: this guy, you know what I mean? He has such
Speaker 3: a beautiful spirit, and anybody that knew Buffy knew he
Speaker 3: was just a nice person. And me and MARKI d
Speaker 3: got into a little bit of an argument one time
Speaker 3: because when the show came out, he was very he
Speaker 3: he was looking at like, you know, like he was
Speaker 3: the one, he was the voice of the group, and
Speaker 3: he looked wanted to challenge me.
Speaker 6: And then after a while, you know, he was barking a.
Speaker 3: Little bit and going at it, and then I said, yo,
Speaker 3: I don't even have to beat box. Do you want
Speaker 3: to battle rhyming? Do you want to do that? And
Speaker 3: he just didn't want he didn't want to do that.
Speaker 3: And so after that, because I come from a battle era,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, from the foundation of battle.
Speaker 3: Like I told you, I'm on the side of the
Speaker 3: stage when Moji and Busy beat Battle.
Speaker 6: I'm the only kid that can say I was there.
Speaker 3: I was like fourteen, I was I didn't even supposed
Speaker 3: to be in there, and I'm on the side of
Speaker 3: the stage while that's going down. So I was at
Speaker 3: that battle. I was at the battle with Cold Crushed
Speaker 3: Battle and Fantastic, you know. So the things that I've
Speaker 3: learned from from just being in that area. And then
Speaker 3: I was in that contest in eighty one in the
Speaker 3: amateur contest. So that's the way we came up. You
Speaker 3: had to battle, but then as you grow, you evolved,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't about battling.
Speaker 6: And then me and Marky d became the best of friends.
Speaker 3: We would hang out live and then what happened is
Speaker 3: when Buffy passed, I did Tom join a cruise and
Speaker 3: I wanted boys on there, and I said, we got
Speaker 3: to get them on this cruise. So I got them on.
Speaker 3: And when I got him on, I said, Yo, let's
Speaker 3: do bitter to stick them and let's do it stick. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's right, And we did and it was me Kourokski
Speaker 3: and Prince Marky did and we took pictures together and man,
Speaker 3: those are my brothers. Man, it was.
Speaker 4: He's gone too sus a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, brother God, thank you. Look, if you ever
Speaker 1: you must open up another restaurant and share that cornbread recipe.
Speaker 1: But that's a whole other episode. Doug has the worlds.
Speaker 1: When he had his restaurant in Harlem, he had the
Speaker 1: world's best corn bread.
Speaker 2: He look, this was yeah, this was three five years ago. Anyway, Doug,
Speaker 2: I think if you're doing.
Speaker 6: This, look and then you yo.
Speaker 3: When he said, somebody said, everybody said your man, your man,
Speaker 3: quest said your man outside of Lottie, Dottie Shure whatever.
Speaker 3: One of the most unbelievable contributions he haven't made the world.
Speaker 1: Is this corn bread and look, I was sending interns
Speaker 1: from the tonight show. I was sending interns to the
Speaker 1: I was sending girl's name, Ashley, the harlor.
Speaker 2: Corn bread, Yes, the corn bread.
Speaker 3: They call it crack corn bread in the hall.
Speaker 2: Ass it's worth breaking your diet for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I may, I may.
Speaker 3: We may have to do that one day.
Speaker 6: Just be just a little piece hot.
Speaker 1: Hot yeah, just one one, one cheat day. Thank you
Speaker 1: for doing this episode. All right, this is the It's illiad.
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