Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What's Up Everybody?
Speaker 2: This is Sugar Steve from Quest Love Supreme as we
Speaker 2: celebrate the holiday season. This felt like a worthy two
Speaker 2: part classic revisit. Here is Mariah Carry. We recorded this
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, but it was worth it.
Speaker 2: Mariah was promoting her book and she was an open
Speaker 2: book to us. This is a really free and fun
Speaker 2: conversation with one of the biggest superstars of music. Part
Speaker 2: one originally air January thirteenth, twenty twenty one, but this
Speaker 2: is timeless. Enjoy everybody and happy holidays and a healthy
Speaker 2: new Year from Team Supreme and everybody at Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Happy twenty twenty one. Let me just
Speaker 3: start a preface that this intro might be twelve minutes,
Speaker 3: but I'll cut to the chase. I consider all Quest
Speaker 3: Left Supreian episodes to be top notch, some of my
Speaker 3: favorite guests ever, but a few guests might shine a
Speaker 3: little bit brighter. I won't even say the most, but
Speaker 3: few of our guests on the shows signed just a
Speaker 3: little bit brighter. As our fortune have it in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, this particular episode will shine very bright. Notice
Speaker 3: the holiday Christmas motifs I'm using. I will say that
Speaker 3: for the last three decades, our guest has been Music
Speaker 3: Royalty out the Gate, fifteen studio albums, seventy two singles,
Speaker 3: over two.
Speaker 1: Hundred million records sold globally.
Speaker 3: I will say that for of those records, orioh Daydream,
Speaker 3: Music Box and Emancipation have sold one hundred million copies combined.
Speaker 3: Just those four she is the best selling female artist globally.
Speaker 3: And she practically, she literally owns Christmas her her ordal all. Yes,
Speaker 3: Christmas is twelve months away, but still she owns Christmas.
Speaker 3: Her All I Want for Christmas is the biggest selling
Speaker 3: song in the world and all parts of the globe,
Speaker 3: not even just the United States for the second time already.
Speaker 1: It is broken crazy records.
Speaker 3: It's the all time biggest selling streamed song. I didn't
Speaker 3: even know that, at seventeen point two million for streams
Speaker 3: in one day. It's the first single by a female
Speaker 3: artist in history to be certified five times platinum in
Speaker 3: the UK, which is not an.
Speaker 1: Easy feed at all.
Speaker 3: She's the first artist to rank number one on the
Speaker 3: chart for distinct decades, For distinct decades. She reached number
Speaker 3: one this year, officially on the UK Singles charts, after
Speaker 3: twenty six years a gap in between. It's the first
Speaker 3: holiday song in history to be number one in the
Speaker 3: US and the UK at the same time. So Fuck
Speaker 3: White Christmas by bing Crossby Her Apple specials number one
Speaker 3: and more than one hundred countries across the world. Her
Speaker 3: book is a New York Times bestseller and number one
Speaker 3: on Audible. I have to say I'll be here all
Speaker 3: damn day, Ladies and gentlemen. How did we get the
Speaker 3: one and only Mariah Carrey on quest of supreme Please welcome?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yes, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you
Speaker 4: officially made it. We've arrived.
Speaker 1: Yes, we have made it.
Speaker 5: No, I listen, I've been stressing out about this because
Speaker 5: I know that I am not queen of technology, nor
Speaker 5: am I queen of musical technical moments of discussion.
Speaker 1: Look we are we are. I swear.
Speaker 3: We are four nerds that just like music. Like, trust me,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to okay, I do. Your first question
Speaker 3: is okay, so you're Yamaha Dix seven patches on your
Speaker 3: first album, right, like, please don't ask me those nerdy
Speaker 3: stuff that you ask about, like keyword patches and all this.
Speaker 6: Oh thank god. I mean, you know, that's cool, that's it.
Speaker 1: She hates that as well. How how are you today?
Speaker 5: I'm good. I'm good. Actually it's we're having a little
Speaker 5: celibratory moment. So you mentioned Christmas and I just want
Speaker 5: to say this is totally off topic, but I'll just
Speaker 5: say it anyway. So we had an incredibleness this year
Speaker 5: and all the things, all the things, but because it's
Speaker 5: COVID and I can't really I haven't gone anywhere in months,
Speaker 5: almost a year, just at a paranoid about the whole thing.
Speaker 5: And it's not paranoid, it's just being saved. But yeah,
Speaker 5: so so here I am enjoying like my first little
Speaker 5: party and cheers to you guys. So cheers you have
Speaker 5: me flash as we talk. But I did want to
Speaker 5: say thank you for having me, and yeah, I was
Speaker 5: a little bit like, clearly I know Greg filling games
Speaker 5: by expect.
Speaker 1: Nice one.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I did hear when he when
Speaker 5: you said, oh, the Mariah Carey Boys to men elevator
Speaker 5: and he was like, well that's the Greg filling games
Speaker 5: later and I'm like that's cool, but can they pay
Speaker 5: me back? Like, can can they hit Battery give me
Speaker 5: those millions of dollars back that I used to cost
Speaker 5: to record it. I'm sorry real for them. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It is how we need to keep it.
Speaker 7: This question of Supreme talk that sh No.
Speaker 5: It's nothing, it's nothing. It's just that. Really, I can't
Speaker 5: even imagine how much money people used to spend in
Speaker 5: on recording, you know, to record their albums or whatever
Speaker 5: they recording in these major studios, Like just to be
Speaker 5: in a big studio. I know how I felt, because
Speaker 5: come on, just to be there, just to say I'm
Speaker 5: at the Hit Factory on blah blah blah blah Street,
Speaker 5: I'm at right Track, I'm at Quad, I'm at whatever.
Speaker 5: But here I'm know for like I'm at Quad, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Just wait, did you ever record a Quad?
Speaker 5: Of course I have.
Speaker 1: Yes, you went to Tupac Central.
Speaker 5: Wow, I lived at Tupac Central. Yes I did, and.
Speaker 6: We recorded there too. Couest love Supreme.
Speaker 1: I know that, but I would expect us to be there.
Speaker 6: It's funny.
Speaker 5: That's the same type of thing that goes on in
Speaker 5: terms of people's perception of me, Like yeah, I went
Speaker 5: to Quad. Yeah, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3: Say, I'm not saying that recording at uh something high
Speaker 3: level like Sony or D and D studios is beneath you,
Speaker 3: but yeah, even I would prefer to be at at
Speaker 3: its time when Sony was a great studio record at
Speaker 3: or Electric Lady as opposed to D and D or.
Speaker 5: You know, like Electric Lady. We love Electric Lady, of course,
Speaker 5: and the history and the whole thing of it all,
Speaker 5: and I need to be the give the utmost respect
Speaker 5: to this. The history of it all is everything, and
Speaker 5: we know the room and the way it sounds in
Speaker 5: the rooms and the way they sound and everything. We'd
Speaker 5: love that. But yes, the glitzy and glamorous new like
Speaker 5: they're not new now, but like you know, the head
Speaker 5: factories of the world give you a different type of thing.
Speaker 3: So can I ask now that you know, for the
Speaker 3: last thirty years you've been recording at studios and they were,
Speaker 3: you know, plentiful. In the last three decades now they're
Speaker 3: almost like far and few between. I know Manhattan, there's
Speaker 3: probably maybe seven left that are still up and running
Speaker 3: and in good condition. Does that wear you little bit
Speaker 3: that or have you adjusted already? Like have you made
Speaker 3: music on your laptop yet. Have you you know Allah,
Speaker 3: you know Kanye and jay Z making watch the thrown
Speaker 3: in a hotel room in bathrooms, Like, have you adjusted
Speaker 3: to that yet?
Speaker 5: Or I absolutely have and not because they did it.
Speaker 5: I started doing this. I'm going to say probably the
Speaker 5: Rainbow album. Actually I'm trying to think that far back. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so that's ninety nine, but yeah, I started. So I
Speaker 5: went to Randy Jackson, not of the Jackson five, but
Speaker 5: Randy Jackson. Randy, Yeah, Randolphin and we love him, I said, Randy,
Speaker 5: I love going other places I'm recording. So me and
Speaker 5: my engineer, Brian Garton, we would go wherever. We would
Speaker 5: just go. He would set up a room, even if
Speaker 5: I literally sang in the bathroom, he would set up
Speaker 5: a soundproof situation and we would run the wires at
Speaker 5: that point through he would I didn't. I didn't run
Speaker 5: the wires, but if he would, you know, figure it out,
Speaker 5: and we would record that way. Because I wanted to be,
Speaker 5: whether it's Puerto Rica, wherever I wanted to be from
Speaker 5: my own peace of mind. And like Amir, we've talked
Speaker 5: about this, where you're like, I don't want to be
Speaker 5: in a comfortable environment. I like to feel like that criminess.
Speaker 5: And I understand that too. I don't know that I'm
Speaker 5: not speaking for you and saying exactly what you said,
Speaker 5: but I think I'm on the same page as what
Speaker 5: you were saying.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's exactly what you were saying.
Speaker 6: Forward to studio, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: But I spent I feel I've spent enough years in
Speaker 5: uncomfortable studios, starting from when I was eighteen years old,
Speaker 5: sleeping in the floor, sleeping on the floor in the
Speaker 5: little studio behind it in the back of the woodshed,
Speaker 5: which I talk about in my book, but on the
Speaker 5: floor sleeping there because I had no money to have
Speaker 5: a real studio situation. So anyway, cut to ninety nine
Speaker 5: and I started kind of like traveling in order to record.
Speaker 5: Actually it happened right after the Butterfly album, which is
Speaker 5: like the year before, because I was just trying to
Speaker 5: figure out, like where can I do this, How can
Speaker 5: I do this? And then I connected with my couple
Speaker 5: different engineers I was working with and we figured it out.
Speaker 5: So Randy Jackson back to that, he said, mn, man,
Speaker 5: I have this studio that you would love and capri
Speaker 5: and it's on top of a mountain and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: It was like please like anything you have. So I
Speaker 5: ended up falling in love with this studio called Capri
Speaker 5: Studios and another Italian word that I can't pronounce, but anyway,
Speaker 5: I slept in a little room next to the live
Speaker 5: room and I would actually recorded several songs there, and
Speaker 5: then when we were doing the immense I did the
Speaker 5: Chombracet album there and other places. Basically we just traveled.
Speaker 5: It was a traveling studio, so it was you know,
Speaker 5: pro tools and just a setup on his laptop and
Speaker 5: then you know, making the room so it's not super
Speaker 5: for Yeah, so we had all of that, like we
Speaker 5: had we had all of that together, and then I
Speaker 5: would just love it because honestly, like and this is
Speaker 5: a total sidebar, and I'm sure you're going to edit
Speaker 5: this however or maybe not. But one of the things
Speaker 5: I learned early on from Luther when we did our
Speaker 5: for our collaboration on Endless Love we make yes and
Speaker 5: he was one of my all time favorite people and
Speaker 5: tones like just vocal, just the texture, and he felt
Speaker 5: that there was a similar type of this is what
Speaker 5: he said to me, type of like when you hear
Speaker 5: the harmonics sometimes within the breathy tone. And he was
Speaker 5: telling me in order to preserve that with that haven't
Speaker 5: always listened to and have gotten back into it now.
Speaker 5: But he was like, you need to be in a
Speaker 5: place like a very warm and humid climate in order
Speaker 5: to preserve that. The desert la everywhere else is really
Speaker 5: really bad for you. Just always remember, like if you
Speaker 5: are in those places, make sure you have like humidification,
Speaker 5: like all the humidifiers in the land, like you need
Speaker 5: to have it. And I have that.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, I have a question, Okay, okay, so secretly, yeah,
Speaker 1: behind all of your backs and by all of you
Speaker 1: or I'm talking about singers. I I quasi eye roll
Speaker 1: because I always thought that that was psychosomatic. So let
Speaker 1: me let me ask the question first, okay, is okay?
Speaker 3: So is that whole thing now? Just to give it
Speaker 3: a little backstory, You're at the tonight show. Okay, when
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin was alive, she would only agreed to come
Speaker 3: on this show if we killed all of the air
Speaker 3: conditioning in thirty Rock. And the thing is, it's not
Speaker 3: like one particular floor can control the.
Speaker 1: Temperature. So if we turn off the air condition for
Speaker 1: Aretha Franklin that affects like seven floors, which basically says
Speaker 1: that we should modernize and update our temperature system. But
Speaker 1: whenever Aretha comes, it would be a nightmare because then
Speaker 1: it would be ninety eight degrees in this building and
Speaker 1: they would have to turn off the air at two
Speaker 1: in the morning the night before, and then her guy
Speaker 1: would come in test it, and then she'd would you know,
Speaker 1: she'd come in. So it's said that.
Speaker 3: Her voice, her throat would closed or whatever and that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. Is that really true?
Speaker 5: I believe it to be true, and particularly for Ritha. So, Amir,
Speaker 5: you have me laughing because I know you read my
Speaker 5: memoir The Meaning of Mariah Carey shameless plug. But I'm
Speaker 5: going to say it because we talk about Aretha and
Speaker 5: when we were doing what was the devis Live? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: so she and Ken Rlick, we love Ken r Lick. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And knowing that if I say something negative, he's gonna
Speaker 5: be pissed off of me like he always gets. But
Speaker 5: you know, I'm just being I'm just keeping in one
Speaker 5: hundred this is what.
Speaker 1: Happened, Supreme, trust me.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you're not. But he has a way
Speaker 5: of hearing. So I love Ken, we love him. He
Speaker 5: did my first Nagad show. Blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we love Ken. So but here's what was happening. So
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm in a pop culture spiral right now,
Speaker 5: and I can't even believe this. So I'm sitting there
Speaker 5: and you know, I already know because I just told
Speaker 5: you about Luther and the recommendations like that was not
Speaker 5: in front of any camera. That was not for any
Speaker 5: reason other than he was like, preserve the tone, right.
Speaker 5: He was like, just do these things. And I never
Speaker 5: knew anything about the humidity blah blah blah. Anyway, so
Speaker 5: when I first sang with Aretha that night, obviously I
Speaker 5: was completely intimidated and flipping out and scared and everything else. Right,
Speaker 5: So we're getting ready to go on the stage and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, there's this whole hoopla happening, and
Speaker 5: I hear, you guys are are we just really pissed
Speaker 5: off Ken? Ken Carl comes by and he's like, she's
Speaker 5: not happy. I don't know what's going to go on.
Speaker 5: I'm right just gonna say, you know, wait and see
Speaker 5: what happens. Right, So I'm like, this is a big
Speaker 5: moment in my career, Like it's right at the beginning
Speaker 5: of Butterflies, all this and all that. But again, Wreatha
Speaker 5: is the queen, so everybody's waiting. We were basically you're
Speaker 5: all there in reverence. I know I was in reverence
Speaker 5: of the queen. So so yeah, so I said, well
Speaker 5: maybe because he said she always does this, she always
Speaker 5: does this, and he's like, oh, I don't worry, she
Speaker 5: always does this. And I'm like, okay, I go, can
Speaker 5: I just maybe rehearse with her? Because I don't know
Speaker 5: what this, what's gonna this is gonna be, So I
Speaker 5: just just want to have a little moment so you know,
Speaker 5: and also you want to be I had met her before,
Speaker 5: and we had had, you know, our moments and great moments,
Speaker 5: and but never this type of thing. So anyway, I
Speaker 5: guess I'm not. I don't remember exactly how it happened,
Speaker 5: but she ended up saying, okay, we can rehearse in
Speaker 5: her tripper. So I walk into the trailer and she
Speaker 5: goes Mariah, they're playing games and I'm not having the game. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so we won't so we won't be rehearsing tonight and.
Speaker 1: Saying with the frank, yeah that was a great How
Speaker 1: long did it take you to nail that?
Speaker 5: No? Honest, So you know my friend Treyla Wrenz, right,
Speaker 5: he was just saying yes, yeah, yes, Florence, South Carolina, Florence.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: He talked about fish sandwiches in all right, South Carolina.
Speaker 1: He told me.
Speaker 5: He just texted me tonight. He's like, he's like, I
Speaker 5: love him. He asked me about the fish. Sam. Yes,
Speaker 5: we're all but anyways, so yes, Be and Trey always
Speaker 5: you know, we Revere a lot of singers, and we
Speaker 5: don't do it to be funny, like we're not impersonating,
Speaker 5: and it's just you sort of embody them when you're
Speaker 5: telling the story because this is how it happened.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I kind of do impersonations on the side, not really,
Speaker 5: but it's not an impersonation. It's just me telling exactly
Speaker 5: how it happened. So anyway, back to the story, so
Speaker 5: we won't be rehearsing tonight, and I'm like, so anyway,
Speaker 5: we work where they got her. And here's one thing
Speaker 5: that I always say, and this is not that musicians
Speaker 5: don't know this or people like you guys who are
Speaker 5: like professors of it all. But being that Big Jim Right,
Speaker 5: the late Big Jim Right who we love, my former
Speaker 5: musical director who passed the way I believe it's almost
Speaker 5: three years ago now, but he was her musical director,
Speaker 5: Miss Franklin's musical director as well, so he was just like,
Speaker 5: this is prior to me working the Big Gym. I
Speaker 5: don't even know how I got on this tension, but
Speaker 5: he was just like, you know, she takes that queen
Speaker 5: stuff very, very seriously. So it's a real thing. So
Speaker 5: he would say, you know when it's she's such a
Speaker 5: such a brilliant musician and her play her skills as
Speaker 5: a piano player were insane and people don't even they
Speaker 5: don't even realize that. So anyway, that's one of the
Speaker 5: things that I revere her the most about, like that
Speaker 5: musicality she had, and I wish people and I know
Speaker 5: it's a female thing, and I know it's because her technical,
Speaker 5: her vocals and her whole thing was so incredible and
Speaker 5: the whole diva persona that they don't even they didn't
Speaker 5: even look at it, like, look at this woman plays
Speaker 5: the musician ship and obviously when you watch, like, I'm
Speaker 5: trying to think, was it don't play that song or
Speaker 5: the one where she did. She she's playing live and
Speaker 5: it's the black and white video and you see her
Speaker 5: playing from back in the day with the whole ensemble. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what it is. But anyway, you see that
Speaker 5: only in certain moments. Anyway, so they so cut too.
Speaker 5: Deevi's live back again. So they got her a keyboard,
Speaker 5: put it in her in her trailer and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: you guys can go rehearse this right now. So she
Speaker 5: had wanted to do dream Lover. We had a little
Speaker 5: rehearsal I guess the day before or something, and then
Speaker 5: she got out of there because it wasn't the air
Speaker 5: conditioning situation wasn't right. So she was like, I really
Speaker 5: liked what you did. I really like your sean Dreamlover.
Speaker 5: I think that would be a wonderful way to go.
Speaker 5: And I was just like, oh my god, she goes
Speaker 5: dream Lover. Anyway, I was like, can we just do
Speaker 5: Chain of Fools? Because I just couldn't. It was too
Speaker 5: much from my heart to actually here were song and
Speaker 5: try to do it. So anyway, tailor, she she played
Speaker 5: the song she played, Uh, we figured out the key
Speaker 5: and what we're gonna do and stuff, and we kind
Speaker 5: of went back and literally five minutes or maybe maybe
Speaker 5: ten and a couple of little moments. I never knew
Speaker 5: she was an Aries. I'm an Ares. We're born two
Speaker 5: days apart from each other, different years. But she I
Speaker 5: said something she would like us. So a few more
Speaker 5: typical larries. I she know Lemon Areas so, and you
Speaker 5: know Diana ross Is in those few couple of days
Speaker 5: of Billie Holidays, Sarah Vond there's a lot of these
Speaker 5: divas that I grew up idol Shaka Khan and other
Speaker 5: areas idolizing. And I found this out from Maretha Franklin.
Speaker 5: I never even knew anyway. So we rehearsed a little
Speaker 5: bit and and the thing is, there was a huge,
Speaker 5: huge issue about the AC and she.
Speaker 1: Goes like this.
Speaker 5: At one point, in front of like my whole crew,
Speaker 5: she goes, what are these people doing that's making them
Speaker 5: so hot? Why do we need it?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 5: And it just I was just like, Wow, it's really
Speaker 5: real for her. And if you ever saw when she did,
Speaker 5: I believe it was for Barack Obama. She did something
Speaker 5: for the second term, and she was out of window
Speaker 5: and it was cold and it was freezing, and she sang,
Speaker 5: I don't remember what the song was. I believe it
Speaker 5: might have been the Star slang, but I don't remember
Speaker 5: the one of the inaugurations, like yeah, but she wasn't outside.
Speaker 5: She she actually apologized on Larry King Live. She went
Speaker 5: and she apologized because she had to. And by the way,
Speaker 5: obviously it was more than fine. She just wasn't up
Speaker 5: and down the scale doing a million whatever. It was great,
Speaker 5: but she felt the need to tell people that the
Speaker 5: cold air had foiled her. And I get it because
Speaker 5: I know I've been that hell with that type of
Speaker 5: thing and way worse. But the thing is that level
Speaker 5: of like she knew that she wanted to actually in
Speaker 5: her mind kill it, and that cold air was messing
Speaker 5: with her. So you have to to me whatever somebody says,
Speaker 5: like if you told me I can't play drums when
Speaker 5: they don't have like a specific light shine, like it
Speaker 5: is what it is like that was her thing, But
Speaker 5: I do believe it's an actual it's an actually it's
Speaker 5: a physical situation where the throat, the cords do tighten up.
Speaker 3: So let me ask because Uh, obviously you're you're world
Speaker 3: famous for your active range.
Speaker 1: What is your active range? You're five to six?
Speaker 5: I don't know, and neither do you say one of
Speaker 5: our favorites, it's going to happen. Here's the truth. You
Speaker 5: would know better than me, Like I don't know. I've
Speaker 5: told people know this, some people do, some people don't.
Speaker 5: My mind. Other was sang with City Opera. She was,
Speaker 5: you know, she had a wonderful and still does to
Speaker 5: this day, range and beautiful depth of her voice. She
Speaker 5: wasn't a color to a soprano at stuck a metsa soprano,
Speaker 5: but she has this range. So she would look at
Speaker 5: me with my little moments and be like, you're gonna
Speaker 5: hurt yourself? What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Like what is this?
Speaker 5: What? I was the opposite, and so I, you know,
Speaker 5: we have our issues and blah blah blah blah. But
Speaker 5: I do appreciate the fact that she didn't force me
Speaker 5: to try to become an opera singer because first of all,
Speaker 5: I don't think I have that in me, And second
Speaker 5: of all, because I respect that level of what that
Speaker 5: takes to be that and to understand that and then
Speaker 5: to interpret really like you have to really stick to
Speaker 5: the composer and do exactly what it is. There's not
Speaker 5: much room for, you know, impro conversation. Yeah. I love
Speaker 5: feeling like you're channeling and doing whatever you want, particularly
Speaker 5: with writing and melodies and having those flow through you.
Speaker 5: So I would have been stifled had I had I
Speaker 5: tried to do what she did, because I'm not that disciplined.
Speaker 5: I'm just not that disciplined.
Speaker 3: So let me ask, because I know that your high
Speaker 3: register is world famous. I know that in your your
Speaker 3: Christmas special, especially with the Misty Copham portion.
Speaker 1: You're singing, You're you're singing.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Carol the bells or or
Speaker 1: the Nutcracker.
Speaker 5: It's a shape, there's an there's an exact title.
Speaker 3: But the sugar plump fairies, yea, the sugar Okay, So
Speaker 3: you're doing you're doing your your trademark what we call
Speaker 3: the Mariah whistle. How how how long can you instantly
Speaker 3: turn that on at any time of the day or
Speaker 3: do you have to like seth Riggs work your muscle
Speaker 3: before you can reach those levels? Like can you just
Speaker 3: turn that on at any given moment of the day?
Speaker 3: Twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: Uh, it depends, Like honestly, all of it depends, like
Speaker 5: all the different ranges depend on sleep and humidity, mainly sleep,
Speaker 5: but sometimes it's it's a weird thing. So I've kind
Speaker 5: of studied it. And sometimes even if I'm completely hoarse,
Speaker 5: the whisper as they call it, the whisper register is
Speaker 5: even more strong and clear then if I'm not horse
Speaker 5: because it's the it's the the upper register is sort
Speaker 5: of like that was where it's just sort of like
Speaker 5: when you're closing the vocal cords and it's the very
Speaker 5: very tippy top of what you're using in terms of
Speaker 5: those that upper upper register. But if I'm just sitting around, yeah,
Speaker 5: I can access it. But when I'm on when I
Speaker 5: feel like pressure, it's less accessible than when I'm just
Speaker 5: sitting around the house, you know and just playing around
Speaker 5: and singing. However, like when I'm under pressure, it's always
Speaker 5: screwed up every part of my voice, so was screwed up.
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there because my nervousness takes over and I
Speaker 5: really am more of a quote unquote studio rat where
Speaker 5: I love to play around with it, experiment, do whatever,
Speaker 5: create it as part of the melody you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, whether it's upper registered, lower mid, background vocals,
Speaker 5: layering of background vocals, whatever, it is, all of that.
Speaker 5: Even when I do the background vocals and the upper
Speaker 5: register as a part. For me, that's my instrument. That's fun. Actually,
Speaker 5: one time James Brown told me the only first and
Speaker 5: only time I ever met him back in the days
Speaker 5: at the American Music Awards, the first time I was
Speaker 5: ever there, and they were, can I give you this
Speaker 5: segue because everybody else, Yes, we believe.
Speaker 1: You're already my favorite guest on QS.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm just like, this is how I talk.
Speaker 5: We're back and forth with things. So I don't want
Speaker 5: to be like.
Speaker 1: All over the place, you know, you know, like when
Speaker 1: black people eat and they don't say nothing at Mama's
Speaker 1: house because the food are good. Like this is ues
Speaker 1: right now, Like we're not talking over you or anything.
Speaker 8: We're just like and these stories are our time capsules.
Speaker 8: This is good too, you know, to remember this and
Speaker 8: have these James Brown. Yes, let's talk about James Brown.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about James Brown. I don't know a mirror.
Speaker 5: If you've got the message before. When I was playing, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was, I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's make Christmas mean something this year.
Speaker 5: Which is one of my favorite Christmas songs, but it's
Speaker 5: on my loop of Christmas music. We have that, and
Speaker 5: we have Santa Claus Go Straight to the Ghetto, and
Speaker 5: then many other James Christmas quote unquote hits that I've
Speaker 5: made Christmas hits in my household because I just played
Speaker 5: the round and then we get stuck on the James
Speaker 5: my phone. I'm like, I love you, James Brown, but
Speaker 5: I need to hear like a little mixed street. And
Speaker 5: so when I had never met James Brown, obviously, it
Speaker 5: was my first year in the industry, and somebody said
Speaker 5: to me, I'm in, I'm in my trailer. And this
Speaker 5: is when I was very much sequestered under that sony
Speaker 5: world of whatever. Yeah, yes, prior to singing thing and
Speaker 5: all of that, but anyway, under that thing. And then
Speaker 5: so I'm shocked that they even told me that James
Speaker 5: Brown wanted to meet me. They're like, James Brown wants
Speaker 5: to meet you. So that's a huge thing. So I want,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm like, oh my gosh, like, okay, let
Speaker 5: me go to his trail, let me do the respectful thing.
Speaker 5: Let me walk in. See what it is. So I'm
Speaker 5: sitting there and and we just meet and whatever, and
Speaker 5: I'm just like shocking off, shocking off, and He's like,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do an impersonation of him.
Speaker 4: But he was like this, I was waiting for that everyoneation.
Speaker 5: You guys can do it when I'll tell you the text.
Speaker 5: But he was like, this is no surprise to me.
Speaker 5: This is no surprise to me. This is basically the
Speaker 5: success is no surprise to me. He's like, you use
Speaker 5: your voice as an instrument. You use your voice as
Speaker 5: an instrument. So that was a humongous compliment because I
Speaker 5: know what he's talking about, because you can hear what
Speaker 5: he does those like this, this screw. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: how we how we categorize what he does with it
Speaker 5: did with his voice. No, he knew that, Like, using
Speaker 5: that upper register is a thing, whether you're doing it
Speaker 5: as to accentuate something like he would do, or whether
Speaker 5: you're doing it like you were talking about a mirror
Speaker 5: with the car not the caroll the bells, the sugar
Speaker 5: plung ferry. Yeah, did that as an acapella moment for
Speaker 5: the album. Prior to this past year, which was just
Speaker 5: a reissue of some Christmas songs, but I said, let
Speaker 5: me do something new, and I did like that little
Speaker 5: acapella acapella part with and the high parts on top
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 1: What is your, uh, at least your warm up ritual?
Speaker 1: Like as far as like, is it a lot of tea?
Speaker 1: Is it a lot of Usually if I do shows
Speaker 1: with other.
Speaker 3: Guest or whatever, like, I'll look in their dress room
Speaker 3: to see what their writer is, so I'll see like
Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder's thing is, you know, two giant te's and
Speaker 3: all these honey's and then Shaka Khan has a thing
Speaker 3: where it's Aca Nation and whatever. Like what before live performances,
Speaker 3: not before your studio stuff?
Speaker 1: What is your ritual?
Speaker 5: Can I just say that I used to have a ritual,
Speaker 5: and I've been through many facets of that ritual. It
Speaker 5: started when I was a background singer and I was
Speaker 5: looking at what the other like the background singers that
Speaker 5: I really looked up to, I e. Cindy, Myzell and
Speaker 5: many other.
Speaker 1: You know, and Lisa and all their crew, the whole crew.
Speaker 5: But I really spent the most time around Cindy before
Speaker 5: I even had a deal. And I talk about this
Speaker 5: a record deal in my book I haven't even heard
Speaker 5: from her, but I did a whole like basically like
Speaker 5: almost a whole chapter about how much I revered her
Speaker 5: just from looking at the credits when she would be
Speaker 5: when she and Audrey Wheeler would do like a lot
Speaker 5: of these background parts, and I could tell on like
Speaker 5: many of these hop records where it clearly wasn't the
Speaker 5: lead singer doing these parts, right, but it was with
Speaker 5: these incredibly beautifully sacked backgrounds, and I was like, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, Cindy myself. So I wind up in a
Speaker 5: session for TM Stevens. Right, I'm like eighteen years old.
Speaker 5: I'm at this session. I know we just totally went
Speaker 5: off topic again, but do you want to hear this story?
Speaker 4: The on topic go on? We want all the stories.
Speaker 1: That's my man.
Speaker 5: It's the topic is relevant because the question was about
Speaker 5: my writer. But I'm telling you where I got this
Speaker 5: thing from.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we are the Where the Rabbit Hole show?
Speaker 1: So you're you're right on top of.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool. So so I'm at this This is prior
Speaker 5: to anyone ever hearing of me. I had a dollar
Speaker 5: a day. I had to choose between the subway and
Speaker 5: the H and H bagels when I'm living uh yeah,
Speaker 5: for real, and I'm on above. I was living above
Speaker 5: you know where Rascals. You guys know where Rascals on
Speaker 5: fourteenth Street is on the on the east side.
Speaker 2: No, but I know H and H Bagels and and
Speaker 2: I hope you chose bagels over subway every time.
Speaker 5: Because when I lived, when I would go to the
Speaker 5: H and H Fagels is when I lived closer to
Speaker 5: the Upper west Side. So the H and H Bagels
Speaker 5: that I used to go to was the one on
Speaker 5: seventy ninth Street, right is that that was that where
Speaker 5: that one is?
Speaker 1: I went to the one on the upper upper east side.
Speaker 5: I don't know it's gone, it's gone, it's not even there.
Speaker 5: I know they got shut or whatever. But back then
Speaker 5: that was my meal for the day. So it was
Speaker 5: either way subway. And I used to work at this
Speaker 5: place called Sports Broadway on seventy seven and so I
Speaker 5: would take the subway back and forth. But anyway, I
Speaker 5: had to decide whether it was walking or eating a bagel.
Speaker 5: So that's why I was when I first came out
Speaker 5: to the public as a singer. Anyway, back to the story,
Speaker 5: So prior to all that, I was well, during that time,
Speaker 5: I started getting background vocal gigs or whatever, and so
Speaker 5: I wound up after being a huge fan of Cindy
Speaker 5: as a background singer and a ranger, and whenever, I
Speaker 5: wound up working doing a session for TM Stevens. And
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there next to Cindy myself, so I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, this is Cindy, So mind you.
Speaker 1: I'm there.
Speaker 5: My shoes have holes in them. I'm in like one
Speaker 5: little It probably looked like pretty much like this today
Speaker 5: but a little bit different, but.
Speaker 1: Anyway, like a million bucks, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 5: My stomach was rumbling. We're on the mic. She's hearing
Speaker 5: my stomach rumbling. She's looking at my shoes and she's like,
Speaker 5: you know, beautiful and perfect and everything, and she's like,
Speaker 5: what you know, you got to get something to eat.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah no. And then she just like we're
Speaker 5: doing the thing, and I'm telling you I did not
Speaker 5: have it together. She was such a professional in terms
Speaker 5: of stacking vocals, getting it perfect. The next one has
Speaker 5: to line up perfectly. You know, I'm figuring, I'm not
Speaker 5: in the pocket. I'm all over the place. After that session,
Speaker 5: I really like learned a lot and learned a lot
Speaker 5: from her. But anyway, that was that first song with
Speaker 5: Tim Stevens, and she was and Cindy was like, just
Speaker 5: call me. And I talked about this in the book,
Speaker 5: to just call me, you know, whenever, if you wantnother
Speaker 5: you know, if you need anything. And I never want
Speaker 5: to bother people. So I never ended up calling her.
Speaker 5: Then I saw her for another session. She was like,
Speaker 5: she said, why didn't you call me? I said, well,
Speaker 5: I just I didn't know, you know. She's like, no,
Speaker 5: You're supposed to call me. And I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: I don't know the etiquette. I don't know why we
Speaker 5: ended up working together over the years, but I will
Speaker 5: say to answer the question and to circle all the
Speaker 5: way back, I believe that back then it was the
Speaker 5: maybe the Red Singer tea Celestial Seasonings tea.
Speaker 6: I love Red Zinger.
Speaker 5: With the Honey Honeybear and like a ton of the honey.
Speaker 5: There was a ton like Debora Cooper and a lot
Speaker 5: of other singers I was working with. They would do
Speaker 5: Depra Cooper sang on a lot of the CNC Music
Speaker 5: Factory stuff way back when. Okay, really nice person and anyway,
Speaker 5: they used to do cayenne pepper. Do you ever hear
Speaker 5: singing that do cayenne pepper to like clear.
Speaker 4: If you're sick. If you're sick, it gets it clears.
Speaker 1: Like I know, Eric do use this cayne pepper a
Speaker 1: lot in her that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I would respect that, you know, but I don't.
Speaker 5: That doesn't help me. I need like I even drink
Speaker 5: like tea with milk sometimes, like English breakfast.
Speaker 1: You drink milk. I thought, milk is wow.
Speaker 5: That sometimes for me it's a coating and and it's
Speaker 5: different than the lemon stripping stuff, so I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's really it's really whatever. And right now we're drinking
Speaker 5: this and it's absolutely spectac yes.
Speaker 7: And that far I use cream cheese he to my
Speaker 7: My go to would be for vocals out. Always tell
Speaker 7: people my it saved me so many times. Coconut water
Speaker 7: with pineapple juice.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 4: That shit has saved me so many times. Cocaine water.
Speaker 4: I don't like the taste of it, but that shit works.
Speaker 5: It's the coating and the pineapples really good too. I agree.
Speaker 5: It's just I feel like you try all different things,
Speaker 5: and I've been through ups and downs with it all. Honestly,
Speaker 5: for me this whole year with COVID and everything, not
Speaker 5: to sing for my supper and travel around and not
Speaker 5: get the right sleep or you know, just be put
Speaker 5: on this thing where there's a certain amount of stress
Speaker 5: for me that takes away a lot of stuff. So
Speaker 5: I'm just like emotionally like that's where I need to
Speaker 5: be centered or whatever. But it's being off kind of
Speaker 5: like taking off work has really helped my voice, I
Speaker 5: think in a lot of ways, just being able to
Speaker 5: have like stress free And so I'm just like saying
Speaker 5: and everyone's like, oh, you got to get back in
Speaker 5: the studio, like you got to get back to singing,
Speaker 5: And I'm like.
Speaker 4: I know, do you feel like getting back into it?
Speaker 7: I know you just put out Caution, you know, in
Speaker 7: twenty eighteen, but are you kind of feeling like it's
Speaker 7: to drop some new shit?
Speaker 5: Yes, but honestly a different approach. And I don't even
Speaker 5: want to go into what it is, because when I
Speaker 5: did Caution, I loved some of the songs from Caution,
Speaker 5: but I don't think I was at the place vocally
Speaker 5: where I could be now. Also, it was rushed, not
Speaker 5: that it was rushed and I look at my best,
Speaker 5: most critically acclaimed album, and you know, I think that's
Speaker 5: because the critics have changed and shifted since back in
Speaker 5: the days, like believe it or not. If you look
Speaker 5: at those things, it's the most favoric thing in the album.
Speaker 5: But what I was going to say is that I
Speaker 5: didn't have the time time I would normally take, and
Speaker 5: I really wish I did have that time to do
Speaker 5: a few more records on that album to just, you know,
Speaker 5: fully have that expression. But what are you going to do?
Speaker 5: Like it was a much more of like, oh, we
Speaker 5: got to get her back and have people know she
Speaker 5: put out a studio, and then they screwed that up
Speaker 5: with the way they gave away these instant grats. Oh
Speaker 5: we're going to do instant grats? Why just for this?
Speaker 4: What is what's the instant grat?
Speaker 5: What is that instant grat is when they give away
Speaker 5: a song rather than have it be a part of
Speaker 5: an album. So and I just learned about this two
Speaker 5: years ago too, So like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gangster bbd es Wait wait, I'm sorry man, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for that reference. Wait for record. I love
Speaker 1: that song. I know they're trying to hide it like
Speaker 1: a red hitad step child.
Speaker 6: But I'm sorry, I don't remember that.
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 1: Video. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was supposed to be
Speaker 1: like their big comeback single. But because it kind of tanked,
Speaker 1: then they try to act like we never did it, like.
Speaker 7: And then they came back with Above the Rim, and
Speaker 7: it was like, yeah, y'all could have just rolled with Gangster,
Speaker 7: right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, labels start putting out red carpet records
Speaker 3: or red carpet singles just to announce and album's coming
Speaker 3: out without putting it on the record or whatever.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing, if you do for your actual fans, right,
Speaker 5: because my the lamily, they don't care about getting an
Speaker 5: instant grat. They just want to see the record do
Speaker 5: well like and they want to music. So these stupid
Speaker 5: instant grats and this is no shade to anybody. We know.
Speaker 5: They didn't have to do it like that. So like
Speaker 5: the instagrats here, let's get on instagrat. Then they got
Speaker 5: on another Instagrat. So at that point, you're like three
Speaker 5: singles in that you gave away for free, when you
Speaker 5: could have just had a whole experience with your fans
Speaker 5: like this here product that's what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 5: just came like. That's why when you ask the question
Speaker 5: about like caution and vocally, No, I mean I recorded
Speaker 5: that at home as well. I walked back and forth
Speaker 5: and basically I have my own little vocal booth. That's
Speaker 5: a really cute vocal booth that they made for me.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't name check the company, but right now I
Speaker 5: can't remember the name. And we take it wherever and
Speaker 5: it's really cute. It's black and pink and don't inside there.
Speaker 6: And we're obo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my little booth. But I recorded most of all
Speaker 5: of that album pretty much there. And what's the studio Henson?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're the.
Speaker 4: World in right, Yeah, that's one of my favorite places.
Speaker 5: Synchronicity and didn't record there too. We recorded, yeah, and
Speaker 5: it's Michael Jackson room right where Michael like supposedly laid
Speaker 5: on the floor and listened to those speakers. I don't know,
Speaker 5: they tell many a story.
Speaker 3: No, no, No, he did record at Hintson, but I
Speaker 3: gotta I don't know which project it was for, but yes,
Speaker 3: most famous The Other World.
Speaker 1: Was made there.
Speaker 5: Yes, and have that picture.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the thing you know when you talk
Speaker 7: about caution, you know, you saying that you didn't feel
Speaker 7: like you were vocally kind of where you want to be.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: The reason I think that record was so well received,
Speaker 7: and what I liked about it was that you were
Speaker 7: It's very hard, you know for artists that you know,
Speaker 7: if you know, have been in the game, you know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, as long as you have, and I
Speaker 7: sold as many records. When they quote unquote come back,
Speaker 7: they end up trying to just copy what the youngest
Speaker 7: is doing and that ship up sound to corny, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean. But I like the way that
Speaker 7: you were able to kind of do you know, to
Speaker 7: compete with what you know, the contemporary artists were doing,
Speaker 7: but it still sounded like you. And that was the
Speaker 7: thing I really liked about that record. It was it
Speaker 7: was Mariah, but it was like, yeah, this is her
Speaker 7: in this context, like you had the record with Dollar
Speaker 7: and Gunna and you know what I'm saying, But it
Speaker 7: was like, she's still doing Mariah. And I think that
Speaker 7: you know, for your fans, you know, particular my generation,
Speaker 7: we just you know, appreciated the way you came back
Speaker 7: and was showing like yeah, I'm you know, I'm Mariah,
Speaker 7: but I can still bang with you, motherfuckers.
Speaker 5: I'm not. This is And by the way, my fans
Speaker 5: get really mad when I they think I shaved my
Speaker 5: own albums or songs. That's not what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And I appreciate you saying those things about Caution the album,
Speaker 5: because I really do like it as an album. But
Speaker 5: I'm saying it to put it up against like and
Speaker 5: this is not even a fair analogy, But like Butterfly,
Speaker 5: I had all the time in the world I had.
Speaker 5: I went in there and did what I wanted. I
Speaker 5: worked in Florida, I worked in New York, I worked
Speaker 5: wherever I wanted, and really put the time into it.
Speaker 5: But with Caution, and with the way the record industry
Speaker 5: is now, we don't have that luxury of time, like yeah,
Speaker 5: like some people do.
Speaker 1: So do you believe in deadlines as in like okay,
Speaker 1: well do you like plan the tour first? And okay,
Speaker 1: I got to finish this album four months or is
Speaker 1: the album done when you say it's done, then we
Speaker 1: move on with the campaign. I don't know how it
Speaker 1: is for Upper Echelne. Yeah, is it like if you agree,
Speaker 1: like okay, we're going to tour the summer from May
Speaker 1: to September.
Speaker 3: Then I gotta have this record out by March. So
Speaker 3: do you are you a deadline sticker no matter what?
Speaker 3: Or is it like, this album's not coming out unless
Speaker 3: I'm goosebump happy about it?
Speaker 5: Okay? So I would say that that's how it should be,
Speaker 5: and that's and that's how it used to be. But
Speaker 5: one also one thing that I do want to your
Speaker 5: point about touring, I was never touring artist, and that
Speaker 5: was a deliberate choice I think on behalf of certain
Speaker 5: CEOs of Sony.
Speaker 9: Okay, because there was a conscious effort, and I have
Speaker 9: no problem with this looking back at it, I'm very
Speaker 9: grateful for it now on some levels, and on other
Speaker 9: levels I'm like, I.
Speaker 5: Didn't get to kind of like, what's the thing called
Speaker 5: when you cut your teeth and record?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So I because what's the reason, Because what's the reason.
Speaker 6: Why wouldn't they why wouldn't they want you to dour?
Speaker 5: Because it was more financially beneficial for me to continue
Speaker 5: to make album after album after album. Yeah, to record.
Speaker 5: So if you look at it, and then you look
Speaker 5: at my first album through when I left, Wow, I
Speaker 5: was still on Sony, but like through Rainbow, like I
Speaker 5: just did, and Rainbow was because I wanted to get
Speaker 5: off the label. So I just did that album in
Speaker 5: three months. And I still love some of the songs.
Speaker 5: But I did that like super fast because I was like,
Speaker 5: I got to get the hell out of this toxic situation,
Speaker 5: not because it's Sony, but because of the professional intertwinement
Speaker 5: that was going on with that situation. Yeah, sing sing,
Speaker 5: But but in the beginning, it was like, just make
Speaker 5: the records, make the records, make records sing sing like
Speaker 5: right right, you know all this stuff. And if I
Speaker 5: didn't want to write, I would have. I'm sure life
Speaker 5: would have been easier. But I have the need. I
Speaker 5: love writing. To me, I'm a writer first and and
Speaker 5: and I love being in the studio, but I never
Speaker 5: The first tour I did was really aside from like
Speaker 5: promo tours, from the very beginning with just the incredible
Speaker 5: Richard T and you know Trey and Patrick McMillan and
Speaker 5: the old.
Speaker 1: Time Richard T was your touring keyboard player.
Speaker 5: Richard T played on song Vanishing from.
Speaker 1: My first album as in studio, yeah, I love okay
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 5: Is the and then he was an incredibly, I mean
Speaker 5: just mammoth in terms of his legendary status, and we did.
Speaker 5: He did come out and do some shows with me,
Speaker 5: and then it wasn't t obviously yeah, but these were
Speaker 5: this is before there was like people filming. There were
Speaker 5: people filming and that type of thing like he and
Speaker 5: then I don't know if you ever saw this America,
Speaker 5: the beautiful performance that I did for the NBA Playoffs.
Speaker 5: I know nothing about sports, so I'm saying it wrong.
Speaker 1: But like my first first time that you debuted before
Speaker 1: I went.
Speaker 5: On our senior Hall, which was my first like TV appearance.
Speaker 1: Yea, the entire world saw that.
Speaker 5: Every the NBA thing where if you look it up,
Speaker 5: and it's not only my real fans know it, but
Speaker 5: Richard T did the piano track. I went there with
Speaker 5: a track to Detroit. I know nothing about sports whatever
Speaker 5: in record respect him, Like, oh, those kids they said
Speaker 5: I would not map tied nothing. They were watching those
Speaker 5: jocks from the school they were watching. So I had
Speaker 5: I had to do my own hair and makeup. I
Speaker 5: had my one black dress. I walk in on the
Speaker 5: thing and it's Richard T's piano track. You can find
Speaker 5: it right now. I'm here and I found it on
Speaker 5: the piano and we worked it out together. I sang
Speaker 5: it with him prior to going there and performing it,
Speaker 5: but we like did it together in terms of the arrangement.
Speaker 5: And then I had his piano track and that was it,
Speaker 5: and I had to go sing and nobody knew who
Speaker 5: I was, and they introduced me ladies and gentlemen, uh
Speaker 5: Columbia recording artists, Mariah carratter like and then but then
Speaker 5: at the end of it, it's the Shining Sea and
Speaker 5: the note, and it was like the most of it.
Speaker 5: Who was the man? I love him. I don't even
Speaker 5: want him to ever hear this and think I don't
Speaker 5: remember his name, But I'm so bad with sports. The
Speaker 5: announcer and you'll see it if you look it up,
Speaker 5: and he's like lo Palace, Now, how's the Queen? And
Speaker 5: the goosebumps will continue? And I talk about in the book,
Speaker 5: but I didn't. I would love to name check him.
Speaker 5: I'm just so bad with sports that I always forget.
Speaker 6: Marvin probably.
Speaker 1: Probably mar Alt, Yes, I think.
Speaker 5: I know that's not his same, but he's famous. I
Speaker 5: can't think of it now. But anyway, that was Richard
Speaker 5: T and Richard t played a really big part in
Speaker 5: that early part of development.
Speaker 7: That's that's impressive company because Richard T' is a legend.
Speaker 7: I was going to ask, did you have to fight
Speaker 7: to write your own material? Because that was something that
Speaker 7: pop singers, you know, they damned they weren't permitted, you know,
Speaker 7: to write their own stuff.
Speaker 4: So what was that like for you?
Speaker 5: Well, okay, so that was to me, that was the
Speaker 5: one thing that I really held tight onto starting out
Speaker 5: as like having my first demo. So my first demo
Speaker 5: and some of these songs are not my favorite, and
Speaker 5: I just I like the demos better. But I was
Speaker 5: always writing songs from the time I was a little love,
Speaker 5: I vote poetry, I heard melodies, I did all that.
Speaker 5: But so when I got my after like working with
Speaker 5: a few different people and I started working on my
Speaker 5: first demo. By the time it got into Tommy Mottola's hands,
Speaker 5: that demo had well, it ended up the demo ended
Speaker 5: up being Vision of Love. The demo version some Day,
Speaker 5: Alone in Love and ultimately vanishing like the original demo
Speaker 5: had had at least had one number one song, which
Speaker 5: ended up being some Day. But you know, that's like
Speaker 5: my least favorite song. But I like the demo, I
Speaker 5: hate the record.
Speaker 1: I told her. I told her this last night. Some
Speaker 1: day might be inadvertently responsible for my career. Oh Chocolate, No, No, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: No, I kind of well.
Speaker 3: No, Well, in short, uh, I was auditioning for Tarika,
Speaker 3: and I went to New York to audition. I went
Speaker 3: to audition for colleges to uh, Julliard.
Speaker 1: And the News School. And on the train ride home,
Speaker 1: some girl thought that I was Chocolate playing the bucket drummer.
Speaker 4: That Chocolate ride had the bucket drummer on the Murra.
Speaker 3: Video right, and also in Spike Lee's well you know,
Speaker 3: he was also in Spike Lee's Levi's commercial, so she
Speaker 3: thought I was the Levi's guy, when actually I was
Speaker 3: the Motown Philly guy. So the next the next day,
Speaker 3: Tarik is in my living room and after a commercial, uh,
Speaker 3: we're watching Soul Train and when that Levi's commercial comes on,
Speaker 3: Treik was like, yo, that girl thought he was the
Speaker 3: Mariah Carey guy anyway, so we might as well.
Speaker 1: Just do that. And then wow, four hours later, the
Speaker 1: Roots are doing their first show on South Street. So yes,
Speaker 1: thank you to Someday.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I used to always tell people, y'all came first.
Speaker 7: All right, so you talk about those demos? How did
Speaker 7: you cut those original demos? Because you if you was
Speaker 7: couldn't afford, you know, to eat, How did you How
Speaker 7: did you afford it? And how did you meet Walter?
Speaker 5: Walter came later. Walter was I met through Naught and
Speaker 5: Michael Walden and I was doing a lot of production
Speaker 5: for him in that I'm trying to think of the
Speaker 5: name of the actual area and it's like in the
Speaker 5: Bay Area kind of up in that San Francisco, but
Speaker 5: beyond Thomas, I'm trying to think of the name of
Speaker 5: the studio. You could, you could find out what it is.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so Walter was working in that world, but
Speaker 5: prior to that, way, prior to that, and also Randy
Speaker 5: Jackson was around there. Like that's how I met everybody
Speaker 5: that started his whole crew. Yet his whole crew, and
Speaker 5: he had a lot of really great people, musicians, support system,
Speaker 5: whole thing. But anyway, that's like when I first before
Speaker 5: my first record, everybody was like, oh, she would go
Speaker 5: work with an order now in order to answer the
Speaker 5: question to preserve my ability or to ensure my like
Speaker 5: just being able to be a writer and not to
Speaker 5: be forced to do other people's songs. When I saw
Speaker 5: my idea, like I said, I already had that demo
Speaker 5: that had, you know, songs that people could look at
Speaker 5: and go, oh, she's she wrote this, Okay, what I
Speaker 5: worked with? At first, I met Gavin Christopher, who did
Speaker 5: I'm coming wanstead up.
Speaker 1: I've had I've had three legendary arguments with singers on
Speaker 1: the internet, and Gavin Christopher is one of them.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I haven't seen him since way back then. I
Speaker 5: haven't seen him since way back then. And he wasn't
Speaker 5: even really like She's the next star, Da da da,
Speaker 5: but he was cool enough to work with me and
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. And then from him, because I was
Speaker 5: in high school, I was like sixteen years old, So
Speaker 5: then from him I met this guy named Ben Marca.
Speaker 5: Lee's blah blah blah. It's all in the book. But
Speaker 5: we worked in his dad's studio, which for the time
Speaker 5: I was lucky to be at any studio. But it
Speaker 5: was a small studio in the back of a woods shop.
Speaker 5: And you know, they I guess they must have had
Speaker 5: some money, because I surely didn't. They were like twenty
Speaker 5: five twenty six, and I was a kid in high school,
Speaker 5: so I was just happy to be there working and writing,
Speaker 5: and then I would get up. I would stay there,
Speaker 5: and then I would try to drive back to the island,
Speaker 5: try to drive back to Long Island, which I hated
Speaker 5: that whole experience, but whatever, I would wind up lost
Speaker 5: in Brooklyn by myself. You know, it's no cell phone
Speaker 5: people at cell phones.
Speaker 10: And GPS, and I was just like in this piece
Speaker 10: of crap cutless Supreme from like whatever, nineteen eighty or something,
Speaker 10: and I'm sitting there driving getting lost everywhere.
Speaker 5: But it was worth it because I would get there.
Speaker 5: I would always be late to school. I would you know,
Speaker 5: make my fake forged notes and get to school. But
Speaker 5: really the reason I was late I could do my
Speaker 5: mother's signature perfectly. The reason I was late is because
Speaker 5: I was working in a studio. But that's so I
Speaker 5: started working with Ben and we made this demo with
Speaker 5: a lot of songs that we wrote. And this year
Speaker 5: when we released the Rarities, there's a few of the
Speaker 5: song well really one song that we wrote together called
Speaker 5: here We Go Around Again, which back then I love
Speaker 5: the demo. But when we went on to make the album,
Speaker 5: they just tried to reinvent the Wheel because the demo
Speaker 5: was better anyway. So I had these songs and people
Speaker 5: felt that they could be hits. The label felt they
Speaker 5: could be hits. So when I was signing my deal,
Speaker 5: even though I signed it like the worst deal in
Speaker 5: history because it was through that production company, the PA,
Speaker 5: I don't know if it the worst deal in history
Speaker 5: is pretty bad. But the one thing, thank god, I
Speaker 5: didn't do was sell my publishing for five thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: That was yeah, that was presenting me as an option.
Speaker 5: So five thousand dollars sounded like five one hundred million
Speaker 5: dollars to me at that point. And luckily I didn't
Speaker 5: because I had seen a documentary on the Beatles and
Speaker 5: their whole thing, okay, yeah, and what they gave away,
Speaker 5: so I knew better than to do that. But when
Speaker 5: I did sign my ideal, the one thing I said
Speaker 5: to the lawyer because I knew I was kind of
Speaker 5: giving away a lot, but you don't know, as a
Speaker 5: broke kid that grew up with nothing, you don't know what.
Speaker 4: You don't have leverage to negotiate for anything better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And plus I was too young to even be
Speaker 5: signing my own record deal anyway, So I was like,
Speaker 5: you know, and my mother didn't know. She came into
Speaker 5: the room and just trying to help. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: here as the guardian, but she didn't know. So I
Speaker 5: just said to the lawyer, I said, the one thing
Speaker 5: I want to make sure is that nobody can force
Speaker 5: me to do somebody else's song, Like, I just have
Speaker 5: to make sure that they can't force me to do that.
Speaker 5: So even when they would direct me to work with
Speaker 5: producers over the day that they wanted me to work
Speaker 5: with for whatever Warren or No or.
Speaker 1: A name at the time, they.
Speaker 5: Didn't force me to work with any songwriters. They they
Speaker 5: suggested that I work with be it Rett Lawrence or
Speaker 5: not to Michael Walden or Rick Wake or whoever it was.
Speaker 5: It was like, you know, work with these people because
Speaker 5: we believe this is going to happen. But then the
Speaker 5: ones that I loved the best were like the Richer
Speaker 5: t Moment or do you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: things where it was a collaborative musical experience and where
Speaker 5: people of that statue were giving me as a kid,
Speaker 5: as a young woman, which is really difficult, you know,
Speaker 5: really difficult, particularly being female, to get any kind of
Speaker 5: respect and all the obstacles, you know, just to be
Speaker 5: able to be like, okay, I don't I'm not being
Speaker 5: forced to work with writers. So that was one thing.
Speaker 5: Nobody ever submitted songs to me, and if they did,
Speaker 5: I didn't hear them. So that was one thing that
Speaker 5: was grateful for you.
Speaker 6: Now I was going to ask it they ever.
Speaker 8: Did they ever ask that you write songs for some
Speaker 8: of the other ladies coming through or anyone. No.
Speaker 5: At that point, I think it was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: this is our we believe in this girl being me.
Speaker 5: Let's get done. So it took like a year to
Speaker 5: actually take what were demos and then the new songs
Speaker 5: that I would write or do to be this finished product.
Speaker 5: And there was a conscious effort like because I was
Speaker 5: sitting like when is this going to be done? Like
Speaker 5: you know, it's just like that, and they're like, it's
Speaker 5: fine because we and there was a vision that it
Speaker 5: would happen and begin in the nineties, not like before that.
Speaker 5: So that whole year of figuring it out, I do
Speaker 5: think it was a smart move to not have it
Speaker 5: out until that decade began.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, does when you were working
Speaker 1: with Narada, does he always talk in that mystical voice? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: any anytime Narda, anytime he talks to me, I always
Speaker 1: feel like I'm being hypnotized at the moment.
Speaker 5: You know, he he's very said, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like he's.
Speaker 1: Too saying I get scared Narada and Eric about your
Speaker 1: two people, and I don't want to look in the
Speaker 1: eye for more than five seconds.
Speaker 5: So as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric Erica has a very hypnotic quality that will
Speaker 1: have you wearing crosy pants in about a year or so.
Speaker 5: Stop that he's an artist and she's sensitive. Word.
Speaker 7: I was gonna ask what was working with Walter a fantasy?
Speaker 7: Like what was he like in the studio? I always
Speaker 7: admire like one of my favorite, my favorite songs of
Speaker 7: yours is Can't Let Go, And I just thought that
Speaker 7: that's just that sound that you and him had together.
Speaker 4: It was just a very pop like super clean and
Speaker 4: you know, just just the sine that he would have
Speaker 4: on those records.
Speaker 7: Like when I heard God this the Bruno Mars record
Speaker 7: the Vasati on the Floor, I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 7: is him doing Walter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, but but nah, I just want
Speaker 4: to know what was he like in the studio, because
Speaker 4: he's not someone i've you know, really read or know
Speaker 4: much about.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, first of all, thank you. We can't let
Speaker 5: go that. Walter was a great writing partner. I would
Speaker 5: always try to sneer thing more and they can't let
Speaker 5: go direction because because it was a little bit slightly
Speaker 5: more R and B than black other things translation black,
Speaker 5: so slightly more than that more there. But you know,
Speaker 5: we could also do these big sweeping things like till
Speaker 5: the End of Time, which only like the Lambs would know.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was it was the next the last song
Speaker 4: going your first album, the.
Speaker 1: End of Time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that part, that was when I got to really
Speaker 5: express myself on the outros, on the on the you know,
Speaker 5: doing the background vocal parts, like doing those arranging that stuff.
Speaker 5: But I really liked working with him in that way.
Speaker 5: There were some uh, incestuous situations where let's just call
Speaker 5: it the record company and the publishing situations where I
Speaker 5: don't want to get into this various specifics. This is
Speaker 5: not I don't have to say it, but really it
Speaker 5: was too how do you call it? It was? It
Speaker 5: was a bit incestuous because people were like, how do
Speaker 5: I say it, oh loood? Was it? Was?
Speaker 4: It like the label had a piece of Walter so
Speaker 4: like baby.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to go saying that because I don't
Speaker 5: know for sure, but I'm just saying certain people in
Speaker 5: my life had that other connection and so was extremely talented.
Speaker 5: But some but for the most part, when I'm coming
Speaker 5: up with melodies and I'm singing it to somebody like hey,
Speaker 5: can you play this? That happened on several songs, and
Speaker 5: then we would take it to another place because I
Speaker 5: won't think of if someone plays accord, I'll be like no,
Speaker 5: like I hear it in my head and then I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's not it. I don't know how to articulate it.
Speaker 5: I'm not there going can you really inverted? Like I
Speaker 5: don't know how to say that. I just know how
Speaker 5: to hear it. So so I'll be hearing something and
Speaker 5: until somebody gets it where I'm hearing it, I'll be
Speaker 5: like no, no, no, no, and then we get there
Speaker 5: and then from there he and I I will say
Speaker 5: I had a really good flow with putting stuff together.
Speaker 5: So it's no shade towards him. I wish him well whatever,
Speaker 5: but I will say, like you know that was a
Speaker 5: that was a moment in time, and I'm very thankful
Speaker 5: for it. And also talking about people that have been
Speaker 5: great writers writing partners with me, Big Jim Wright with
Speaker 5: Fly like a Bird and Circles and all those songs
Speaker 5: for me. Me also James Poyser. Now everybody says it's
Speaker 5: poisoning that we actual pronunciation of his name, and I
Speaker 5: don't understand it, but I love him and so when
Speaker 5: we I love working with incredibly talented musicians because when
Speaker 5: I can sing back and forth to them and we
Speaker 5: can figure things out together and then we can go
Speaker 5: to another place, that's something that I feel is a gift.
Speaker 5: When I'm sitting there coming up with stuff by myself,
Speaker 5: I love it, but I know that I need to
Speaker 5: articulate it to somebody to put it down unless I'm playing,
Speaker 5: which is the worst thing ever, although sometimes it's turned
Speaker 5: out to be to my own benefit because I don't
Speaker 5: know the rules, so I don't have to follow them.
Speaker 2: So besides big joy question, can I just say I
Speaker 2: love working with James Poyser?
Speaker 4: James, I said.
Speaker 6: Poiser, Okay, his name, Mariah, say his name.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I said, James Poyser because everybody else
Speaker 5: goes it, says Poisoner, and then they and make me
Speaker 5: feel like I'm a stupid one.
Speaker 1: It's pains. I created James Poisoner Twitter account just a computer.
Speaker 7: The real the real secret is James Poyser is just
Speaker 7: Nelson George's side project.
Speaker 5: No comment, no comment. But When Christmas Comes, which we
Speaker 5: wrote together, is one of my favorite Christmas songs and
Speaker 5: I really have I really feel like it's a much
Speaker 5: more look we love. All I want for Christmas is you,
Speaker 5: and I thank the Good Lord above. I really sat
Speaker 5: there coming up with a like And then when I
Speaker 5: did sing that to walderhat and he's been on record
Speaker 5: as saying it, why are you trying to do scales
Speaker 5: as a song?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 5: Why is that? Why would you want to do that?
Speaker 5: Like he didn't hearly as a thing.
Speaker 1: How long did it take to record that?
Speaker 5: Which fire? No the song?
Speaker 1: I have a theory about mega songs. Every mega song
Speaker 1: that's larger than life take seconds to do. So like
Speaker 1: how long did it take to write, not executing record,
Speaker 1: but just to write the general song that we know?
Speaker 5: So the idea, So there was an idea do a
Speaker 5: Christmas album and at that point, at twenty two or whatever,
Speaker 5: I was like Lily little early and then I said, Okay,
Speaker 5: well I love Christmas. I always have, you know, let
Speaker 5: me think about it. So you you know, I was
Speaker 5: sitting in this house in the Hillsdale, New York as
Speaker 5: I came at hills Jail, and just started thinking like,
Speaker 5: what are the what are the things that I loved
Speaker 5: as a kid with Christmas songs? And what are all
Speaker 5: the things that made me feel christmasly even amidst the
Speaker 5: bleakness of my childhood. So I started sitting there and
Speaker 5: there was this keyboard. I believe it was some sort
Speaker 5: of some sort of really really cheap like CASSIEO keyboard
Speaker 5: or something. And again I'm I'm not playing. I just
Speaker 5: write a lot. So I was in there and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I just started channeling and trying to figure out how
Speaker 5: to play it. So by the time I brought it
Speaker 5: to Walter, I had done everything but the bridge. Oh
Speaker 5: lots of USh shining, you know, because I honestly couldn't
Speaker 5: probably do that transition like as a as a keyboard player,
Speaker 5: which I'm still not. But so we did that part
Speaker 5: and then we brought it back to the oh, so
Speaker 5: I would say the writing my part. I had the
Speaker 5: lyrics done except for the bridge. I had everything done
Speaker 5: really quick, like it was just immediate, you know. It's
Speaker 5: it's like with Hero. I had a They explained the
Speaker 5: song that I'm sorry the movie there was a movie
Speaker 5: by Dustin with Dustinhoff and whatever. Tommy Mitella came in, Hey,
Speaker 5: Luther's doing a song for this movie. They want you
Speaker 5: to write this song for Glorias to Find. You know.
Speaker 5: It's about a guy that says people on a plane.
Speaker 5: That's pretty much what I heard, right, And I was
Speaker 5: never alone at that point in my life, and I'm
Speaker 5: pretty much I rarely still am. But anytime I would
Speaker 5: walk to the bathroom and I wouldn't be followed by
Speaker 5: somebody's goons or whatever, I would walk in. I had
Speaker 5: two minutes. I go in there and I'm and I
Speaker 5: start hearing that, and then here comes along like the
Speaker 5: melody and the piano part, right, and so then I
Speaker 5: walked back and like, well this is how it goes. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: carry me on, right. So I'm like I'm like all excited,
Speaker 5: like just write this, dude, this dude. And then I'm
Speaker 5: like I'm like, so, wait, who do they want this for?
Speaker 5: They wanted for Glorias to right, and Tommy's standing there
Speaker 5: and he's like, I think you need to keep this
Speaker 5: one for yourself. So it was a similar thing with
Speaker 5: All I Want for Christmas is You, except that I
Speaker 5: was by myself in the room at first, and then
Speaker 5: wrote those lyrics down and then went and sang it
Speaker 5: to Walter and we finished it from there. But the
Speaker 5: actual recording of the record took a while, and it
Speaker 5: was a collaboration, and you know, I'm not taking anything
Speaker 5: away from him, but there was a concerted effort to
Speaker 5: make it feel like a classic, which I've noticed people
Speaker 5: have adapted that type of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the phil Spector, I love the phil
Speaker 1: spectrnes of it.
Speaker 3: But I would like to note that, you know, when
Speaker 3: I woke up this morning to prepare for this interview,
Speaker 3: I was listening to it. All I Want for Christmas
Speaker 3: is You is probably the happiest song with the most
Speaker 3: minor note keys in it. Like there's so much dark
Speaker 3: chords and minor chords in the song, but.
Speaker 5: Like because people don't expect it to go.
Speaker 3: There exactly, like it's it's it's a very unlikely because
Speaker 3: usually Christmas is associated with I mean, every Christmas song
Speaker 3: practically has like happy chords, happy major chords. And I'm
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how did this song manage to
Speaker 3: jump over the pack, because it's it's there's so many
Speaker 3: chromatic and dark chords in it that are more blues
Speaker 3: based or black, you know, like black chords, yet it
Speaker 3: works and I'm trying, like that's a hard thing to
Speaker 3: achieve because you know, I know that most pop hits
Speaker 3: have some sort of major chord element that feels inviting.
Speaker 3: And not to say that blues chords don't work and
Speaker 3: aren't successful, like you know, there's plenty of them out there,
Speaker 3: but usually in Christmas songs it's like that, like as
Speaker 3: far as like structuring the song where they're back and
Speaker 3: forth and sort of you know, conflict as in to
Speaker 3: how bright the song should be as opposed to how
Speaker 3: it came out, because it's it's an achievement that is
Speaker 3: such blues based. But still I don't know if I'm
Speaker 3: saying it the right way.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because Mark Shaman, when we the incredible
Speaker 5: Mark Shaman or Kestel Genius, who I worked with.
Speaker 7: Starting on he wrote the South Park movie. That's like
Speaker 7: my favorite thing he's ever done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love him and he is.
Speaker 5: The most irreverent, just hilarious person and super talented and everything.
Speaker 5: But when we first got together, he was like, don't
Speaker 5: think I didn't hear. I just want to know, like
Speaker 5: you know that little that was hot? Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: do hope think I didn't hear that. So so here's
Speaker 5: the thing, because like I said before, I don't know
Speaker 5: the rules. I don't follow the rules. I just know
Speaker 5: what I hear, and specifically on that one, it was
Speaker 5: just like like I don't know, I just heard it,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, I didn't do it like here,
Speaker 5: I am trying to be bloozy here, I am trying
Speaker 5: to I don't know. And I think that's why Walter
Speaker 5: was like, well why and that he said in that interview,
Speaker 5: which I don't know. I'm sure it can be geguiled,
Speaker 5: but you know, it was like these scales and she's
Speaker 5: trying to this. I wasn't trying to do anything like that.
Speaker 5: I don't even know how to break it down and
Speaker 5: explain that. I just know that that's what I heard,
Speaker 5: and I heard it with the with you know, the lyrics,
Speaker 5: and then wrote them down. But it was very specific
Speaker 5: to me, and I recorded it on my little tape
Speaker 5: recorder that I had that you know, the mini tape
Speaker 5: recorder and you just help it kind smaller than an
Speaker 5: iPhone but like thicker, and so I had that and
Speaker 5: I recorded it on there, and I don't know, like
Speaker 5: I agree the when it gets poppy is the oh
Speaker 5: name made? You know what I mean? Like that part's
Speaker 5: poppy because the backgrounds were such incredible singers, and because
Speaker 5: the way we range it, like you're fine with the
Speaker 5: poppiness of at that point, the whole thing, unless we're
Speaker 5: getting analytical about it, is pop. But you're right those
Speaker 5: changes came from me because I didn't know any better.
Speaker 5: I didn't know, Oh, let me just make this like
Speaker 5: oh and happy and festive and we won't darker. Course,
Speaker 5: But like in the book, I talk about how my
Speaker 5: Christmas is as a kid, I always wanted them to
Speaker 5: be perfect. I always wanted them to do great, and
Speaker 5: I have these ex family members who really destroyed every year.
Speaker 5: So I think when writing the song just by myself
Speaker 5: in the room, not dissimilar to where I'm at right
Speaker 5: now looking at the Christmas tree by myself, just thinking
Speaker 5: about stuff, kind of feeling whatever's happening in the air.
Speaker 5: And I do feel like when you're writing, if it's
Speaker 5: a real, if it's a connected moment, you are channeling,
Speaker 5: you know, And I know that's that's we know that,
Speaker 5: but not everybody understands that. I'm not saying with some
Speaker 5: genius revelation, but that's what happened. So it was just like,
Speaker 5: this is what I'm hearing, you know, and this is
Speaker 5: what I think would be good. I never was like,
Speaker 5: oh and then blah blah blah, you're so now we're
Speaker 5: going to break the Spotify record.
Speaker 3: So I've learned ever since I've gotten to know you,
Speaker 3: I know that there's a term called Mariah hours, which
Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen out there.
Speaker 1: This is the one of the first episodes that we've taped,
Speaker 1: the only the only most of our episodes are done.
Speaker 8: And I'm sorry and listen not to not to be
Speaker 8: your daddy, but even when we did Quincy Jones, Oh Jesus.
Speaker 6: Christ, it was out of respect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quincy was just was in this late like right now,
Speaker 1: it's it's two in the morning, where we are but.
Speaker 7: Hoologizing. Nah, it's all good. We on COVID time anyway.
Speaker 7: Ain't nobody sleeping? Yeah, I got a new job. What
Speaker 7: what I want to have?
Speaker 1: You always kept Mariah, like when do you wake up?
Speaker 1: When do you wake up in the morning, Like what
Speaker 1: is your daily routine? Because I know like three in
Speaker 1: the morning is sort of like you're twelve in the afternoon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, And I don't have. I don't have
Speaker 5: when I'm working, which when I say working, I need tramo,
Speaker 5: not in a studio. When I'm in the studio, you know,
Speaker 5: And the best place for me to be in the
Speaker 5: studio is wherever feels the best. So, like we said,
Speaker 5: Cakree the Bahamas, wherever, it's just on the schedule of
Speaker 5: when now I'm not I don't mean writing. If there's
Speaker 5: like a whole like what I would love to do again,
Speaker 5: there's a whole bunch of writers get together. We're in
Speaker 5: a place, we work at a respectable hour whatever that
Speaker 5: is for everybody, a little the better, But you know,
Speaker 5: we all get together. We come up with stuff. If
Speaker 5: we're doing that like I did that on this song
Speaker 5: called Subtle Invitation in the Bahamas, we're working at Compass
Speaker 5: Points Studios, and.
Speaker 1: You know one of them still around.
Speaker 5: I don't know this is back. This is early mid
Speaker 5: two thousands of the Chambre.
Speaker 1: Compass Point world famous. We're Sli and Robbie and Grace Jones.
Speaker 5: Everybody record Club Tom Tom Club, and I.
Speaker 3: Believe anybody on island records like practically recorded down there.
Speaker 1: So continue.
Speaker 5: So you're there, and you know whatever you're working on,
Speaker 5: whatever the time schedule is. And now what I've realized
Speaker 5: with recording vocals, so that's the only thing for writing,
Speaker 5: but recording vocals, I just have to get up and
Speaker 5: luckily my engineer is cool enough to be like, okay,
Speaker 5: we're working on MC time. Okay we do. I drink coffee,
Speaker 5: like give me two hours, lea, you know, heads up,
Speaker 5: I'll get my two three hours. You know, we'll do
Speaker 5: a thing where it's like not before ten, so we
Speaker 5: know that usually means midnight, but you know, we know
Speaker 5: it's not gonna be more tense. So he sleeps, I sleep,
Speaker 5: and we just get up when my voice is ready
Speaker 5: to work. But in terms of like Mariah hours, this
Speaker 5: started for me when I was six years old because
Speaker 5: my house felt very unstable and there was always like
Speaker 5: teenage people and whatever happening, you know, freaking seances, whatever
Speaker 5: the hell was going on was happening, and it felt unsafe,
Speaker 5: and so I would lay in bed and kind of
Speaker 5: be scared and I wouldn't be able to sleep. So
Speaker 5: over the years, it just became like I stayed up
Speaker 5: because I had to develop this kind of like person
Speaker 5: in charge, like here's my reflexes, like in case something
Speaker 5: has to happen, this mechanism, yeah, defend, I'm the grown
Speaker 5: up in this scenario, like something may happen and I'm
Speaker 5: going to be awake to handle it. So that started
Speaker 5: as like a six year old kid, and it's all
Speaker 5: detailed in the memoir. But yes, that's what happened. The
Speaker 5: reason I say that is because I'm not explaining it
Speaker 5: as eloquently as I would like for people to hear
Speaker 5: it and to understand, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 5: answer the question.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to get on that next because
Speaker 1: I didn't even start with the book yet.
Speaker 8: But but wait, can I ask about the time things
Speaker 8: that she did mention the time, because I mean, You've
Speaker 8: been mentioned in the book a little bit, but in
Speaker 8: the book you do talk about like your whole concept
Speaker 8: of time and acknowledging and whatnot, and not to go
Speaker 8: over it because, like you said, it's in the book,
Speaker 8: but I was curious. I was, like, the one thing
Speaker 8: you didn't mention was when you developed this concept of
Speaker 8: not acknowledging time. It reminded me of something my grandmother
Speaker 8: used to say, because people would always ask her how
Speaker 8: old she was, and she would say, I'm too too
Speaker 8: old to be young, too young to be old, and
Speaker 8: that's it.
Speaker 6: Don't ask me anymore.
Speaker 5: But oh.
Speaker 8: But but that being said, like when did that concept
Speaker 8: to you start developing? Like I don't need to acknowledge
Speaker 8: this time thing at all.
Speaker 5: Let's just I turned when I when I was eighteen,
Speaker 5: prior to getting my record deal. Right, Yeah, I had
Speaker 5: a I guess it's a boyfriend. It wasn't really like
Speaker 5: that deep of a thing. There was no actual whatever.
Speaker 5: La la la lah. You'll you'll get to know. I'm
Speaker 5: very prudish. I'm very prudish. People don't know, but I
Speaker 5: don't talk about certain things. That's just how I am.
Speaker 5: But you know, and then that's really as a response
Speaker 5: to like people I saw growing up that were the
Speaker 5: opposite that were very promiscuous, that had all these situations
Speaker 5: going on, and I just never wanted to be like them.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so when I so, when I was eighteen,
Speaker 5: I cried and my boyfriend, you know, god lesson for
Speaker 5: tolerating my prudences. But he was like, why are you crying?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, because I didn't. I don't have a
Speaker 5: record deal yet, like this is supposed to be happening.
Speaker 5: When I was, well, what is going on? And I
Speaker 5: didn't understand it? And I was I was so my
Speaker 5: work ethic was insane. People don't understand. Yes, you can
Speaker 5: be borned, Yes you can be born with whatever the
Speaker 5: look is or whatever it is. But if you don't
Speaker 5: have that work ethic, unless you have somebody that shines
Speaker 5: down upon you from above and does all the work
Speaker 5: for you, it's really not most likely not going to
Speaker 5: happen because you just have to have that Like, I'm
Speaker 5: going to do this regardless. I believe in it and
Speaker 5: I know it is going to happen. So in terms
Speaker 5: of like doing it, when I was young, like I was,
Speaker 5: I just had this thing where, oh my gosh, like
Speaker 5: this is supposed to be happening. This is a young
Speaker 5: person's industry, like and this is me as a kid
Speaker 5: knowing this. So I'm very thankful though that it didn't
Speaker 5: happen when I was much younger, like that, I that
Speaker 5: I didn't get those Broadways show things I wanted to
Speaker 5: be in as a ten year old because I was
Speaker 5: quote too tall. But we know, we know someone it was.
Speaker 1: You, you see, that was like one of their excuses.
Speaker 5: That was from Annie. Let's face it.
Speaker 6: We know I wasn't Oh no, you wasn't sorry boo no,
Speaker 6: not life for real?
Speaker 1: No, no too dall.
Speaker 5: But I but I realized, like in retrospect, like I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm not putting myself in this category in terms of
Speaker 5: talent of God getting talent, but when you look at
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson and you look at how he really never
Speaker 5: had a childhood, like and then he became this hugely
Speaker 5: you can't even call it what it was. But I mean, like,
Speaker 5: I was just thankful at least I had somewhat of
Speaker 5: a childhood dysfunctional as it was, that wasn't a famous
Speaker 5: person's childhood, because I feel like that really screws people
Speaker 5: up beyond repair sometimes. But in terms of like how
Speaker 5: did it make me feel? To just not acknowledge time.
Speaker 5: I just decided, you know, anniversaries, no birthdays is what
Speaker 5: it is. Keep a pushing. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Mariot, I guess I should say. I was
Speaker 3: about to say, I guess that's to start with. But
Speaker 3: it's ninety minutes into it. So our good friend Eleana
Speaker 3: Diaz of Rock Nation former Fallon Night now she's probably
Speaker 3: going to be president in ten years, sent me a
Speaker 3: box with your book in it, and it came with
Speaker 3: tissues and I was like, okay, that's interesting. What am
Speaker 3: I supposed to cry when I read this book? Whatever?
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 3: I took the book home, and this is like prime COVID,
Speaker 3: where like one of the one thing I stuck to
Speaker 3: was my promise to read more books, Like I just
Speaker 3: stopped reading books pre like March twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Maybe I did like one of.
Speaker 3: Two books a year, and this year I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just run everything dust off, you know, sixteen
Speaker 3: books whatever. So you know, I said, all right, let
Speaker 3: me let me read the first three chapter, see if
Speaker 3: I'm gonna learn anything about it about her, And you know,
Speaker 3: about chapter three, I was like, wow, okay, just engaged,
Speaker 3: and I'm let me, let me see what the next
Speaker 3: three year into. So when I got to the fifth chapter,
Speaker 3: I crept in your DMS and I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: you you write a good book. And the thing that
Speaker 3: in Laya actually texted me this last night she said,
Speaker 3: and I sent you what she said, uh Liyah said
Speaker 3: that the way that Mariah describes food is making me hungry.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yo, And I showed Layah my
Speaker 3: first text to you, which is basically I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: I've written two books about food, and no one has
Speaker 3: described Ritz crackers.
Speaker 1: So eloquently that you have.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, all right, well I had
Speaker 3: to take this like long trip to Philadelphia, and I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, let me get the audiobook listen
Speaker 3: to it in the car, and hearing you narrate this
Speaker 3: audio book was almost like your own podcast. And I
Speaker 3: was like, well, now I got to start at the
Speaker 3: beginning again. And I had to say that this was
Speaker 3: for me like sleeper Surprise of the Year, Like this
Speaker 3: book has humanized you in a way I didn't think
Speaker 3: it was possible, not that I thought that you were
Speaker 3: subhuman or supern like most most Black people, especially black
Speaker 3: achieving people. They're either like, you know, on the high
Speaker 3: level of you know, credit to their race and they're superhuman,
Speaker 3: or there's up human blake.
Speaker 1: We're never like, we're never neutral. And I love the
Speaker 1: fact that this book puts you as a black person
Speaker 1: in a space where black people are rarely allowed to
Speaker 1: bleep be which is human.
Speaker 3: First of all, I would like to know, because most
Speaker 3: most memoirs are autobiographies, I don't trust them. That's why,
Speaker 3: like oral history is better because you at least get
Speaker 3: a taste of everyone's opinion. But what made you want
Speaker 3: to be so transparent and blatantly honest in this book?
Speaker 3: Because that's what I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 5: Well, I've been wanting to write this book for years,
Speaker 5: like I think, first of all, I just wanted when
Speaker 5: I when I first so I had the opportunity to
Speaker 5: work with a very big like probably the biggest publishing
Speaker 5: house that there is, when I was pregnant, Right, that's
Speaker 5: what I wanted to write the book. I'm like here,
Speaker 5: I am, I can't go anywhere. It's basically like COVID,
Speaker 5: but it's not COVID. But you're pregnant with twins and
Speaker 5: you're on bedrest and and I was like, all this
Speaker 5: all my life, Oh my life. I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 5: write this, write my book, write my story. So I
Speaker 5: so I wanted to do it at that point. And
Speaker 5: I really had this great relationship, very just beginning on
Speaker 5: a relationship, but I felt a kinship with Mikayla Angela Davis,
Speaker 5: who I wanted to work on the book with right
Speaker 5: and then this publishing house, the person at the top,
Speaker 5: she was the editor in chief, and she said, I
Speaker 5: don't want you to collaborate with anybody because I believe
Speaker 5: that your voice is going to transcend. You know, you
Speaker 5: need to have it be your voice. I'll be your
Speaker 5: editor and you just do it. And I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what, that's huge, and I thank you for
Speaker 5: believing in me on that in that way. But I
Speaker 5: really want to work with Mikayla. And so I didn't
Speaker 5: do the book at point, but I started just putting together,
Speaker 5: like some of the stories and whatever.
Speaker 8: Can you just tell us I'm sorry, I don't mean
Speaker 8: to apolog you, but can you just tell people because
Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of hers, but can you tell
Speaker 8: everybody why you were so adamant about Mikayla.
Speaker 5: Well we okay, So Michaela Angela Davis is a brilliant
Speaker 5: writer and she we first met when I did The Essence,
Speaker 5: my my first and only Essence magazine cover, which ended
Speaker 5: up myself just to make that happen at that point,
Speaker 5: because there were so many quote unquote issues with my
Speaker 5: image and how black women would perceive me and how,
Speaker 5: you know, could it happen and is this gonna happen
Speaker 5: and whatever, And it was a really important thing for
Speaker 5: it to happen for me because being black and of
Speaker 5: mixed race, there's always been this, you know, the stigma
Speaker 5: that that white people have. But then there's this thing,
Speaker 5: this thing where the lightness is perceived as privilege, privilege.
Speaker 5: But really, if you were put in the situations that
Speaker 5: I was put in as a kid, where you're only
Speaker 5: in white neighborhoods and this is nothing, they can't help it.
Speaker 5: You're put in this situation where you're not you're not
Speaker 5: dark enough to scare them into not saying anything, or
Speaker 5: even remind them, oh, let me not say this because
Speaker 5: it might offend this person because they're strictly looking at
Speaker 5: it like that. But then when they're all around you,
Speaker 5: like I talk about it in the book. Whatever you do.
Speaker 5: I think it's important that people hear it in the
Speaker 5: way that it's described in the book, because to just
Speaker 5: flippantly talk about it, it's why people were like, Oh,
Speaker 5: what did you take so long? And know you're embracing
Speaker 5: your blackness, and like there was never a non embracing that.
Speaker 5: What did you expect to do?
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't tattoo it on my fore I guess I
Speaker 5: could have. I mean, maybe I should have. I don't
Speaker 5: really want to attach it on my forehead, but you know, like.
Speaker 1: You have the vision to collaborate with old dirty bastard.
Speaker 1: That's the black move ever.
Speaker 8: But it was an interesting question as you listen to
Speaker 8: your story in the book, though, because that's what I
Speaker 8: kept thinking to myself as I listened to you talk
Speaker 8: about how like your dad and you didn't really talk
Speaker 8: about that kind of stuff that much as I know
Speaker 8: about like your mom didn't talk about that stuff that much.
Speaker 8: And it's getting to know you and understanding that, like
Speaker 8: this has been an interesting journey for you in that
Speaker 8: way of that side of your life.
Speaker 6: So I always wondered as I was listening, I was like, so,
Speaker 6: I wonder what was that moment.
Speaker 8: Because I haven't gotten to it yet in the book
Speaker 8: where you were like maybe it was then the Bronx
Speaker 8: cousins or whatever, when you were like, this is me.
Speaker 6: I'm proud. I see it, you know, and there's a
Speaker 6: pride there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened was there was never a lack of
Speaker 5: I see it, I'm proud. It was always you take
Speaker 5: a child, you don't explain to them how to understand
Speaker 5: who they are. Right, you have a bour family with
Speaker 5: a black father and a white mother who was from
Speaker 5: the whitest place where the KKK born in Springfield, Illinois,
Speaker 5: and you have her family that had disowned her. Well,
Speaker 5: her family didn't even know she married my father. Only
Speaker 5: her mother knew, so she didn't tell anybody. And that
Speaker 5: imagine how you feel like because of who my father is,
Speaker 5: and ultimately that means because of who and what I am,
Speaker 5: and my siblings who went on to talk to whatever,
Speaker 5: because of what we are, we are considered sub human
Speaker 5: to them, so we don't exist and they don't even
Speaker 5: know that we exist. Actually, because that's how big of
Speaker 5: a that's how big of a thing it was that
Speaker 5: my mother did this. So it was the ultimate sin
Speaker 5: against her whiteness to her family and to her world.
Speaker 5: So to be honest with you, like she was very
Speaker 5: into civil rights, according as the story go, and she
Speaker 5: Martha doctor King before all these things, but which I
Speaker 5: heard more about that from her than I really heard
Speaker 5: from my father, because I feel like my father was
Speaker 5: always trying to in his own way assimilate understand who
Speaker 5: he was and what he went through because he was
Speaker 5: very like he you know he was. He just didn't
Speaker 5: really feel like he fit in it in any place either.
Speaker 5: So we never had a conversations till he was on
Speaker 5: his deathbed. But back to the thing about the book
Speaker 5: and why I felt I wanted to write with MICHAELA
Speaker 5: was because we had these conversations in a way that
Speaker 5: I never had a conversation with another, certainly not a
Speaker 5: writer previously, and we connected on that level, and we
Speaker 5: couldn't get into every detail. How can you talk? How
Speaker 5: can you encapsulate a lifetime of experiences in a twenty
Speaker 5: minute interview with the magazine where the editor is going
Speaker 5: to then give you what they wanted to look like?
Speaker 5: How they what's the angled? You know? What I mean?
Speaker 4: Is Mikayla is she mixed race as well.
Speaker 5: I'm down the line, but she's you know, her family's black.
Speaker 5: She lights them, She's very Mikaela Angela David.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, like she yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 5: It's a different struggle when you're placed in an environment
Speaker 5: that you don't belong in, so you're you're like fish
Speaker 5: out of water and with people saying stuff around you
Speaker 5: that they would neverver say, and you have to figure
Speaker 5: out you have to figure out how do I handle this,
Speaker 5: how do I how do I come back this, how
Speaker 5: do I exist? How do I survive? Without anybody giving
Speaker 5: you the talk, without anybody you know, and so.
Speaker 4: There was never a discussion about racing your house.
Speaker 7: There was never no one ever set you down and
Speaker 7: was like, you know, listen, you are a black girl
Speaker 7: and this is what that entails.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: No, No, it was your intucial and that's what you
Speaker 5: tell everybody. I'm like, but we don't know what that means.
Speaker 4: What is that mean?
Speaker 5: They don't know what this means. That's why, Yes, my
Speaker 5: cousins were always like when they were my cousins from
Speaker 5: the Bronx CC and Chris who we love, you know,
Speaker 5: on the few occasions when I'll be at my grandfather's
Speaker 5: house in Queen's and the kids would be like, that's
Speaker 5: not your cousin. She's white, and they would stick up
Speaker 5: for me and they would be like, no, she's not white,
Speaker 5: this is our cousin. She's black. She's our cousin. Like
Speaker 5: that was the only time there was like that unified,
Speaker 5: like we got you type of a thing, you know.
Speaker 5: But it was difficult because there's also the thing about
Speaker 5: money and not having money. So I think if it
Speaker 5: was like a family unit where the parent don't forget
Speaker 5: my parents divorce when I was like three or four
Speaker 5: years old, So there's that, and there's my father living
Speaker 5: in the neighborhood and me and my mother living in
Speaker 5: like fourteen different places without the siblings, without anybody else
Speaker 5: to connect to say we got you, like no matter
Speaker 5: what these other people are saying. And again they didn't
Speaker 5: know how to interpret it. They also it was considered
Speaker 5: their biggest insult to say to someone it's your father black,
Speaker 5: like this was they would say behind my back and
Speaker 5: then ultimately took my face when you you know, in
Speaker 5: a different way, when you read the book, did you.
Speaker 8: Ever play again with that little girl? Becky that ran
Speaker 8: crying when she saw your dad. Did you guys ever
Speaker 8: meet again?
Speaker 6: No, m.
Speaker 4: There was a girl named Becky and I'm sure she
Speaker 4: was white. So what your name? Becky saw your dad
Speaker 4: started running?
Speaker 1: Oh I believe that Becky knows who Mariah Carey is.
Speaker 5: Right. Yeah, I'm sure that incident really impacted upon her,
Speaker 5: Like it was literally she had never seen a black
Speaker 5: person in her life before. So yeah, so when we're
Speaker 5: in this lily white neighborhood that my mother chose to
Speaker 5: live in, and then this was my friend and there
Speaker 5: were no questions asked like what are this and that
Speaker 5: I think that's before my hair retext heurized. So I'm
Speaker 5: still really and you know, we go to my dad
Speaker 5: house and I talk about it in the book obviously,
Speaker 5: but she just was frozen and then she just broke
Speaker 5: down and then my mother like escorted her. For some reason,
Speaker 5: my mother knew to like linger. My mother escorted her
Speaker 5: out and it was just like I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5: I'm sure she probably remembers it, but maybe she blocked
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 7: I don't know, Darling, how much control or well, well,
Speaker 7: from from the context of what you said earlier, So
Speaker 7: you had like really no control. But you know, when
Speaker 7: you're when you first signed to Columbia, who or how
Speaker 7: did you decide or what role did you play in
Speaker 7: your imaging in your package because they marketed you very
Speaker 7: much as you know, like just the pop kind of girl,
Speaker 7: and like, you.
Speaker 4: Know, they kind of just marked you as a white woman,
Speaker 4: not us. You know, we could look at you and
Speaker 4: we knew you know what I'm saying, Like we was
Speaker 4: like I hear what y'all saying.
Speaker 6: But you know, like so like we knew something smells familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see, I see them curls, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 4: I see?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So yeah, what was what took us through that process?
Speaker 7: Like just kind of your identity being formed for you
Speaker 7: in a way that maybe you didn't have any say
Speaker 7: so over I would.
Speaker 5: Say that the marketing is its own thing. If you
Speaker 5: look at the actual first album cover in the back
Speaker 5: of the first album cover, my first album cover, Marine Kerry. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: what you have time to display my blackness differently? Just
Speaker 5: tell me, like visually it.
Speaker 6: Was just your face because it was just your face
Speaker 6: in black and white.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was my natural hair, you know, additional curls
Speaker 5: put in it and then the black cover it curvature
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Like I'm just trying to asked, like,
Speaker 5: how do you think that I could have made it
Speaker 5: more clear other than telling people that my father was
Speaker 5: black my mother? How how could we have unless it
Speaker 5: was should I have adapted a different hairstyle? Should it be?
Speaker 6: No, that's that's deep. No, you're right, you're right. No,
Speaker 6: you're right, that's.
Speaker 7: Deep, And then asking that question, I wasn't like it
Speaker 7: wasn't a blaming of you or anything like that. I
Speaker 7: was just it was just something that like we all
Speaker 7: just kind of notice it's a conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because people did, but you you're right, Like I
Speaker 6: was just me.
Speaker 5: No, I was me honestly. It wasn't even like on
Speaker 5: that album cover, I had like straight hair and blue
Speaker 5: contacts and you know, none of that, Like it's the
Speaker 5: same nose. It's the seem like you I can't help.
Speaker 5: But I talked about in the book, I don't have
Speaker 5: an upper lift that you know they told me. The
Speaker 5: black people would be like, oh, your lip is too small,
Speaker 5: but white people were like, your lip is really full,
Speaker 5: and I'm like yeah, but you know, honestly, I think
Speaker 5: the marketing. Marketing wise, they definitely skewed it pop. They
Speaker 5: definitely wanted adult, temporary pop. There's no question in my mind.
Speaker 5: But at that point, how the hell do I know
Speaker 5: the different charts? I don't know. I mean, by the way,
Speaker 5: Vision of Love was number one on the quote unquote
Speaker 5: R and B charts before the pop charts, So I
Speaker 5: often refer to that because that makes me feel a
Speaker 5: sense of right.
Speaker 8: But there wasn't like a black music department at that point,
Speaker 8: with black music department thing a thing, or it wasn't even.
Speaker 5: At your point. They really skewed me away from that.
Speaker 5: But I did work with the Black Music Department, and
Speaker 5: that was when Rodriguez was running Oh Ruben.
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