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Speaker 1: Team for part two of our Black TV Writers round Table,
Speaker 1: where we chop it up with our good friends Tracy Ashley,
Speaker 1: Diallo Riddle, but Sheer Slid, Dame, my Brothers from Sherman Showcase,
Speaker 1: and Angela Nissel, who is getting a lot of love
Speaker 1: right now from her mention in Dave Chappelle's Moves Best Froom. So,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Angie doing your thing. Love her. Listen. We
Speaker 1: sit down with them, we talk about how the black
Speaker 1: medi their landscape is changing, and we get into a
Speaker 1: whole lot more. So check it out cure Less Classic.
Speaker 1: Get into it, yeah, pie Hey. Last week Gonna Quest Supreme,
Speaker 1: I introduced you guys to four black writers currently working
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, Angela Missile, My Serious, Salahudine, Diallo, Riddle, and
Speaker 1: Tracy Ashley. Collectively, they've written for shows like Scrubs with
Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon the last g and many many more. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's not waste any time. Let's get right back to
Speaker 1: the conversation. Um. So, like the old shows, the old
Speaker 1: black shows, let's say, like like the Jefferson's and What's Happening,
Speaker 1: did they have black writers or with you know, like
Speaker 1: the absolutely mostly very much mostly did not. It was incredible, Yeah,
Speaker 1: normally are actually just I just listened to a podcast
Speaker 1: he did and he talked about that. How I think
Speaker 1: he said the black the Black Panthers showed up at
Speaker 1: his at the studio because they were mad that they
Speaker 1: were They were like, this white man is writing this
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, so I don't think they way there
Speaker 1: was some black authorship was the star usually had some
Speaker 1: level of ETO power. So that's the role which you
Speaker 1: got a script could then be like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But that's like the very last level. But
Speaker 1: right before that, there was nobody in that room. Briefly,
Speaker 1: on Sanford and Son, I know that Paul Mooney and
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor. Um we're brought into by the way A
Speaker 1: lot of people realize Sanford and Son was actually an
Speaker 1: import from the UK white people. What it was? How
Speaker 1: long was that on? This is before four days of
Speaker 1: BBC America, so we don't we have no idea. So
Speaker 1: of the four of you um getting fired, now, how
Speaker 1: many of you are always always aware of that always?
Speaker 1: How many of you are willing to truly sacrifice for
Speaker 1: the greater good? Now I know him. I know there's
Speaker 1: a load of questions because I know that usually a
Speaker 1: lot of nepotism and sort of the patriarchy, like the
Speaker 1: system of of starting out as an intern and then
Speaker 1: becoming a writer, then the head writer, and then next
Speaker 1: thing you know, your your network head head. I know
Speaker 1: that's very hard for black people to even fathom that situation.
Speaker 1: Usually you're worn out and tired after ten fifteen years
Speaker 1: of this bullshit. But how many of you are thinking
Speaker 1: past writer, head writer and showrunner too? I would like
Speaker 1: to run the network and especially all right, I would
Speaker 1: assume that for women, uh And I see this often.
Speaker 1: You know when I investigate the the culinary world, most
Speaker 1: women don't last in those high end uh, the kitchen
Speaker 1: situations because you have to really give like fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty five years of your life in that situation, usually
Speaker 1: want to have kids and you retire after a while.
Speaker 1: So are you are you even thinking about in five
Speaker 1: I'd like to be president of the network, so that
Speaker 1: way I could really open doors. And I think that
Speaker 1: for us, I don't know any For us, the highest
Speaker 1: thing you can do is be a showrunner is to
Speaker 1: be somebody like a Kenya Bearris two. For I don't
Speaker 1: think too many writers actually want to. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: different tread that nobody has to a network. I would
Speaker 1: assume that now that Shonda Rhymes is kind of envy.
Speaker 1: Is she the besides Oprah the highest level where you
Speaker 1: could be in the game right now? And she runs
Speaker 1: her own production company, right, So Shonda Rhimes not even
Speaker 1: the eight steps away from Oprah hood. She goes on
Speaker 1: this role. My two stents would be she's as close
Speaker 1: to being somebody who has that network power without giving
Speaker 1: up the thing which is the reason we get up
Speaker 1: in the morn because we feel like artists. You want
Speaker 1: to go make art. I mean, I wouldn't you know.
Speaker 1: I know this, I know, and records were started by right,
Speaker 1: I think, But you know that's that's sort of a
Speaker 1: parallel thing in a sense of like, well, those guys
Speaker 1: were musicians and they said we got to got our
Speaker 1: own label. It does happen but you know, even with that,
Speaker 1: it was one guy that was really music and the
Speaker 1: other guy was the business. The show still get notes
Speaker 1: from a network, Yes she still has. Yes, does she
Speaker 1: honor all those notes? Who knows? Yeah? Yeah, Well hence
Speaker 1: me asking probably is willing to sacrifice because you know, like,
Speaker 1: but it's already has I want to be a musician
Speaker 1: and creative. But one woman president. There are black executives
Speaker 1: who right, some women it's coming, No, what's happening. That's
Speaker 1: why Roseanne, Roseanne happened because the black home was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a black woman one It just you know, whatever you
Speaker 1: think of it, it's there. Well, I'm not saying hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: I'm saying who in this room is willing to how
Speaker 1: for are you willing to go in this this trek,
Speaker 1: in this journey of television being able to be fired? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like again for me personally, I would love again
Speaker 1: for me if you just go to movies, if what
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I were, if what me and my
Speaker 1: girlfriend's talk about is right, you know, And there hasn't
Speaker 1: been a black female half an hour comedy network showrunner,
Speaker 1: broadcast showrunner since the nineties. I mean I've been in
Speaker 1: this since two thousand two. I'm I can't give up.
Speaker 1: Now what else can I do? You know? And I
Speaker 1: like being able to help other younger people like Tracy
Speaker 1: come in and do you know so if it ain't me,
Speaker 1: it's going to be her hopefully. So I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving up until I'm dead. What the hell? That's
Speaker 1: when you are gonna take me in? And sugar Dad,
Speaker 1: I think the I think the ability to create new shows,
Speaker 1: new characters, new environments. I think that's what you know, juvenile,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, as opposed to the desire
Speaker 1: to have other people to bring us those things and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, well you're gonna get a p M
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Like I don't. I just think that that's
Speaker 1: a slightly different thing, you know, And maybe sometimes people
Speaker 1: will make that jump, you know, but you know, so
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling here is that the the there's a
Speaker 1: limit to your sky. No, I think they're saying to
Speaker 1: network executive and like, none of us if we were
Speaker 1: negative network executives, we wouldn't be able to write and
Speaker 1: create new characters network executives. And maybe one of them
Speaker 1: will become ahead of their network. I just you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, can I just say for me, it's like
Speaker 1: if you I'm not saying I'm not Picasso, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying if you were to Picasso said, you know, you
Speaker 1: really got to run a museum, man, And I'm a painter. Like,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying, like, that's the top who's willing to sacrifice?
Speaker 1: Who want to sacrifice to? Like I love doing that,
Speaker 1: but the creative And then he stopped being creative and
Speaker 1: be came President for the Greater Good to bring a susser,
Speaker 1: to bring his steelc to bring it. You know, Puncy
Speaker 1: Jones was a trumpet player and love scoring. But okay,
Speaker 1: but would he have kept doing that had the deal
Speaker 1: been selling like ten twenty million records? Like would he
Speaker 1: have a moment? And he jumped at it. Now we
Speaker 1: asked Jimmy jam the same thing, like would you want
Speaker 1: to stop creating music and producing just to you know,
Speaker 1: to to be in the front office and not being creative?
Speaker 1: And he said no, I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: So I understand That's why I was at I think
Speaker 1: was creatives just don't people don't think like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you kind of do what you do just because that's
Speaker 1: I want to do that, like, but I will say
Speaker 1: that I think about it all the time though, so
Speaker 1: I you know, but I would say just really quickly.
Speaker 1: Ahead have to admit that that actually did cross my
Speaker 1: mind being at CBS and being on this show, because
Speaker 1: I was looking around at all the executives we developed
Speaker 1: over there. But you know, I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: really quickly that Kevin Hart is a starting is on
Speaker 1: network right now. The way the media landscape is changing
Speaker 1: between cord cutting, the seven, you know, there's I think
Speaker 1: I might be making this. I think there was like
Speaker 1: TV shows or something like that, or maybe let's say,
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, let's say it's three hundred. That's the
Speaker 1: three hundred things everybody watching all that ship. So I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's a little bit of a different terrain in
Speaker 1: the seventies. I think they are definitely talented people now
Speaker 1: who are saying, look, I can just get an app
Speaker 1: on your TV the way that other people the Netflix
Speaker 1: has an app and you'll watch the basher network, and
Speaker 1: then that'll be the way that I, you know, corral
Speaker 1: the conversation and be able to give green light power
Speaker 1: to people. And I think that's already actually happening right now.
Speaker 1: There are people creating networks right now that utilize technology
Speaker 1: to be the people who are in charge. I'm scared
Speaker 1: for Kevin Hart though, because I wonder, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: how many people because there are so many outlets, how
Speaker 1: many people are going to the L O L network
Speaker 1: or whatever? I don't know. Maybe that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: next part of it, right It's like, so what is
Speaker 1: the other thing that's going to be created that you
Speaker 1: can be a boss and maybe not be a network
Speaker 1: exact it maybe not to be an app. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hate to ask. This question is revolked a nationwide.
Speaker 1: It depends on what I don't think. I've yet to
Speaker 1: see where we get it get we get in North
Speaker 1: Carolina's who's your cable provider? We ship it has been
Speaker 1: brought providers. And it's not about the provider because it's
Speaker 1: on Comcast is on Time, Warner's on Charter. It's about
Speaker 1: the cities that they're in because it's not on it's
Speaker 1: not in the spectrum in New York City. And I
Speaker 1: still don't get it. Where will be like watch my
Speaker 1: show and fuse I'd be like, that's true. This is
Speaker 1: the only time in history, Like you can be at
Speaker 1: a restaurant sitting next somebody who is a fucking started
Speaker 1: on TV show you don't know who the they are,
Speaker 1: and somebody comes to an autograph, who are you? And
Speaker 1: I got a TV show on pal, I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: on the news is L O L and Actual network.
Speaker 1: He's buying studio space out in uh Chat's Worth, like
Speaker 1: he's he's doing this is happening. I went out there
Speaker 1: and saw the space like there, this is happening. One
Speaker 1: of them spread itself there and nothing be as with
Speaker 1: the with the whole like core cutting thing. Just in
Speaker 1: terms of the economics of TV. Yeah, I mean because
Speaker 1: to me it just doesn't seem like and I don't
Speaker 1: know how it affects like writers and actors and stuff,
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, people are cutting the cords, but they're
Speaker 1: still jacking you up to ask for the Internet. So
Speaker 1: the amount of the amount of people who watch each
Speaker 1: TV show has gone down, the amount of individuals who
Speaker 1: spend their day watching TV. It's it's fine. It's actually
Speaker 1: that number is consistent. So the people in this room
Speaker 1: will always have of friends and stuff because it's like
Speaker 1: we create content. It I will say you gotta have
Speaker 1: ten jobs, so I will say so, I want to
Speaker 1: say this. We are developing another show with I f C.
Speaker 1: You know, and uh, and we're very excited about The Contecutive,
Speaker 1: produced by John Legend, our composer. Fund take a little
Speaker 1: in the room. There you go. Um. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I noticed when I was talking to some
Speaker 1: of the some of the millennial assistants. I would be like, hey, so,
Speaker 1: how do y'all watch cable TV? You know, like because
Speaker 1: I have it? And they'd be like they'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, like none of them will actually pay
Speaker 1: for cable. One was like, some watch it once once
Speaker 1: it goes on Netflix. Somebody else was like, well, I
Speaker 1: never cut the cord because I never had a chord.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put somebody on blast. I want to put
Speaker 1: somebody on blast. Who I live with, who I'm married
Speaker 1: watches and we watch every real house we watch all
Speaker 1: of those. We do not have cable in our house.
Speaker 1: Were watching all those shows every night on the TV
Speaker 1: in the living room. That's the question you should ask yourself.
Speaker 1: So I don't know it's the website special webs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we watched every one of those and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is we're evil. You got a fire stick. You ain't
Speaker 1: never got to lead a house. And the kids can't
Speaker 1: even understand paying for content. They don't even they content
Speaker 1: would we pay for. I don't pay for content. I
Speaker 1: use my mother's cable when I log in a time
Speaker 1: when nobody's paying for telling them they just paid for
Speaker 1: the box. Yeah, yeah, box, that's true. I wanted I
Speaker 1: got my apsode. You talk about millennials, my nephew, I
Speaker 1: guess we want to watch Handmaids Tell And so he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, give us the He was like, I
Speaker 1: give you my Hulu pass. When I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: and I pulled that ship and it was like five
Speaker 1: other profiles because oh, are do you consider internet based
Speaker 1: tvc aries real shows? Or Amazon? By the way, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on Netflix. Shout out Netflix, Let's go glow.
Speaker 1: But episode eight or whatever, the actual show the one.
Speaker 1: But can I just say something, but Amazon has some
Speaker 1: of the best terrible black movies listen in the world
Speaker 1: to watch every single one of them. Watching you watch
Speaker 1: the ones with your boy murder pain, Yeah, watch the
Speaker 1: shout out to the game, the one it takes place.
Speaker 1: I can do Detroit, Like he's in the plug plug
Speaker 1: to the plug to. We watched that one. Talking about
Speaker 1: I'm realized that it don't matter the level of money
Speaker 1: people spend on it. If it's available, Black people will
Speaker 1: watch that ships, Amazon will buy. It's a bunch of
Speaker 1: bad ballots on about it looked like the goddamn golf,
Speaker 1: like the bluff that type of level. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: the piece the bluff was. These movies have no sound,
Speaker 1: These movies have no DP. I'm sitting here in my
Speaker 1: living room watching a movie. It was like this whole
Speaker 1: scene is Sometimes you won't see a character for forty minutes, minutes,
Speaker 1: back up, and you'll be like, oh, he's still in
Speaker 1: the movie. That's content. But it's content. I'm watching it
Speaker 1: in the living room. Shout out Amazon and Amazon too.
Speaker 1: I think they do a good don't kill me for
Speaker 1: that because they watch they they don't listen to Okay Glowers.
Speaker 1: Netflix they have their black movies because like I watched,
Speaker 1: you know, because like that it's all this ship like
Speaker 1: the world is a algorithm. So like I watched, Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched the level. I see what should I watch?
Speaker 1: Netflix has Church plays Netflix there like there's a movie
Speaker 1: here on their laptop. Immediately, boy byes a movie written
Speaker 1: do you want Us Houston? If you want Good starring
Speaker 1: Windy Rakale Robinson song And in case you were wondering,
Speaker 1: there is a line in the movie where she says,
Speaker 1: boy back spoilers. Brow is not in that one, yo.
Speaker 1: You know who's keeping like twelve of them? Know who
Speaker 1: was in can that I was going to tell is
Speaker 1: not in that way. That's the saddest thing is that
Speaker 1: all those movies there is always one person and who's
Speaker 1: like a little too big like that motherfucker's right. Didn't
Speaker 1: you have your own TV show when you saw John
Speaker 1: Amos and the Watermelons? You're like the Watermelon that's that's
Speaker 1: a revie. It's a real movie. You'd be like Villica
Speaker 1: Fox is yo independent that you know, how did the
Speaker 1: conversation to go down? But it has doing some money? Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: it's I know that Mutgages is doing the first You
Speaker 1: could either you could not get paid or you can
Speaker 1: get paid. Boy By so much? What was the September Room.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's good, bad, but it's sequels to movies.
Speaker 1: You didn't know. It's like, oh five complain they get
Speaker 1: they have like Twin four. Oh yeah, yeah, that wasn't
Speaker 1: sequel to that ship they called. Yeah I was. Twin
Speaker 1: was one of the first, like no bullshit, ab I
Speaker 1: was one of the first movies I can remember. I
Speaker 1: was in college. This is my firstman year at Central,
Speaker 1: and they marketed twa like it was a wrapout. They
Speaker 1: came to campus. Yeah, one of the producers came to
Speaker 1: Harvard and was talking to us. They came, there is
Speaker 1: a four. I just made that ship up. Damn, clear
Speaker 1: off your schedule, checking out, check that out. I love
Speaker 1: that stuff. That sounds great. Yeah. Yeah, my favorite black
Speaker 1: little clicking power. Damn, he's Clifton Power. We came all
Speaker 1: the way back to teach you seven. Right, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: shot that out with the Clifton Powers, the gangster. He's
Speaker 1: in everything. He's in everything, and yeah, he'll be like
Speaker 1: in like a murder Pain movie and then you'll see
Speaker 1: that nigging like Black Panther three. It's like he has
Speaker 1: a wide range, you know what. He likes to work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would give him that. Every day he wakes up
Speaker 1: like I'm going to somebody's set. Somebody's putting in front
Speaker 1: of the cab of the day. So like as writers like,
Speaker 1: tell us what shows do y'all like that are like
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty, y'all like, Yo, this is great writing. Yo,
Speaker 1: sell me no, no no, no, I hear that. I think
Speaker 1: what Fonte said about the audience is true. I don't
Speaker 1: think you should. I don't think it's smart when you
Speaker 1: watch it, however you feel about it, just the real ship.
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty's on the only show I know that
Speaker 1: it is as funny as it is and also still
Speaker 1: has jokes that have layers for like people who are
Speaker 1: nerves but you don't need but you don't need to.
Speaker 1: I'm about to segment. Will be watching that and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they just went into the conspiracy thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I just laughed. I didn't know that. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I don't know if I mean, someone told me we
Speaker 1: can watch Rick and Morty the ship, watch Baskets too.
Speaker 1: I was about to do it another one, by the way,
Speaker 1: really funny, not trying to be like like just hard,
Speaker 1: hard jokes. What do you think about that I'm having?
Speaker 1: And yeah, just like not every bad woman gets my love.
Speaker 1: I mean I tried to. I tried to support the
Speaker 1: girl Jessica and her Brooklyn. Jessica Day was on the
Speaker 1: Daily show My Lord watch two Funky Girls. Wait what
Speaker 1: is it? But she had a show on Netflix and
Speaker 1: I it was a movie. But white guy, Yeah it
Speaker 1: was a movie. It was too millennially new Brooklyn for me.
Speaker 1: I think it so you were too open. Maybe I
Speaker 1: see black board. I like to go with two black
Speaker 1: what's your favorite show? Don't do that because the first
Speaker 1: one to come to mind is family, Guy, Please don't
Speaker 1: judge me. Really watch television? Yes, yes, ye too much?
Speaker 1: As this weird. Most people I know that are in
Speaker 1: the TV world, like almost fitted it's there. It's beneath
Speaker 1: them to watch television. Every act you have to, Ye,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch. I think interestingly enough, most of what
Speaker 1: I watched is drama lately. I mean like that kids,
Speaker 1: the kids, the second the kids go to bed. I
Speaker 1: watched a lot of depressing dark adults. Stuff to around okay,
Speaker 1: around the room. What are your what's your to go
Speaker 1: to shows? Well, right now I'm actually getting caught up
Speaker 1: can't live without No, I'm getting caught up on fear
Speaker 1: of the Walking Dead. I mean I'm not gonna um
Speaker 1: dam uh. I read the comics you could only name one.
Speaker 1: All right, give me, give me your your your guilty pleasure.
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed to admit I watched this show. I can't
Speaker 1: quite go there. Say it just We're all gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: just say just put up your Netflix real quick, just
Speaker 1: say it. You know what? Um, I know it when
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I can tell you when the gold
Speaker 1: Girls on my asses on the couch watching that ship.
Speaker 1: Great show. Yeah, Golden Girls, pleasure show that you know.
Speaker 1: The Real Housewives are like reality black in Chicago. I
Speaker 1: don't feel proud about. I'm gonna tell you what's on
Speaker 1: my direct TV right when something's on that you're ashamed
Speaker 1: to say that you watch? What is that show? Okay? Listen,
Speaker 1: I've never seen so I don't want to watch it regularly.
Speaker 1: I know because I just pulled it up. But I
Speaker 1: was like, I know I watched something. My guilty pleasure
Speaker 1: is actually the show called the nineteen eighties. The deadliest
Speaker 1: decade is the time Discovery I D which is the
Speaker 1: best channel. Wait, what the hell is that? Okay? If
Speaker 1: that come? Investigating Discovery is basically like a twenty four hour,
Speaker 1: forty eight hours date. Like every show is about like
Speaker 1: people who are merry killing one another. So it's always
Speaker 1: like they were the perfect couple. It seemed they had
Speaker 1: everything until she showed up missing after the boat trip.
Speaker 1: Like that's basically and they have this one show called
Speaker 1: The Deadliest Decade. The thing I like about it, on
Speaker 1: top of like marriages falling apart, which is perversely fantastic
Speaker 1: to me, is all the old footage. Like I could
Speaker 1: actually watch old footage on YouTube all the time. Like,
Speaker 1: so last night I was watching uh As It Happened
Speaker 1: footage from uh L a TV news shows of the
Speaker 1: north Ridge quake, you know, like I just like to watch, like, oh,
Speaker 1: how do we react in the moment that it was
Speaker 1: announced that John Lennon died? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like because I like the old like graphics and I like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the grainy footage and like, you know,
Speaker 1: the best part to me in Cocaine Cowboys is like
Speaker 1: when they show like you know, like Miami footage of
Speaker 1: like like when they're like, there were three people found
Speaker 1: dead in this apartment tonight, like you know, and you're
Speaker 1: just like the footage itself is scary because it's like,
Speaker 1: why is this so dark? And like Grainy and Cocaine.
Speaker 1: God Boys too is the one that hustling with the Godmother.
Speaker 1: That was of course about It's a pointed with that answer,
Speaker 1: for that's the real discovery. Still believe the Kardashians. You
Speaker 1: can't live without you know, what's what's your start? Treking
Speaker 1: Space nine? But okay, go to show that. I watched
Speaker 1: way too much of man Um. I watched a ton
Speaker 1: of Uh damn, I'm so sorry. I honestly I watch
Speaker 1: a lot of Family Guy. I think it's still to
Speaker 1: this day a court cutter. So I gotta wait for
Speaker 1: the sleepment to other Ship. But yeah, every time when
Speaker 1: it comes on TPS and then you watch it on adults,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I love that show. I think that shows.
Speaker 1: I think I like, I like, what's you watching? Guilty
Speaker 1: Pleasure show, Rupaus Race. Yeah? Did I just say though
Speaker 1: that those people are incredible after funniest and they have
Speaker 1: And I'm from a conservative muscle family. So we had
Speaker 1: the Houselord Thanksgiving and my father was like, what in
Speaker 1: the brother, I've made so many mistakes And I was like, fine, okay, lot,
Speaker 1: I will be I will admit I will sit binge
Speaker 1: watch shows I watched. I bench watched RuPaul's drag Race.
Speaker 1: But the thing I'm watching now is the Americans. I'm
Speaker 1: watching that. Everybody says it's good, it's really good, it's great.
Speaker 1: I've been here because I only want it's great. And
Speaker 1: but my guilty pleasure is I have to admit love
Speaker 1: and hip hop, the one with Alanna or the one
Speaker 1: with Stevie J and Atlanta, that's the one. Wait want,
Speaker 1: She's already been on it, she already had broke up
Speaker 1: with her wants, and now a back to gather. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, go ahead. I don't know because I
Speaker 1: watched way too much TV. Right now, I'm just looking
Speaker 1: forward to the Ozark. So like anything that Jason Bateman
Speaker 1: and to me is generally good. I don't say I'm
Speaker 1: rest of development because I love this year with the
Speaker 1: drinks in society. I didn't. I didn't like. I was
Speaker 1: just I think to me, like Breaking Bad was like
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of white Man goes into scary dok territory,
Speaker 1: like ship like that was I was guilty pleasure. Staying
Speaker 1: on adult Swim Robot Chicken. That's not a guilty. Somebody
Speaker 1: who enjoys marijuana yeah, that's just And as a black, black,
Speaker 1: black black person, it's like, wouldn't it would be my
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure because people want to expect this off. I
Speaker 1: like like a white boy, Like every reference, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's for me because I'm like, did ten minutes
Speaker 1: on he Man? I'm like that's yeah, yeah. Yeah. By
Speaker 1: the way, he Man is on Netflix right now. That
Speaker 1: she is so good, so good? No, no, I mean
Speaker 1: the cartoon I'm Killing Eve. I watched Killing Eve. I
Speaker 1: remember when Dolf Landing played man find me? What's that
Speaker 1: killing killing Evero? Soandro and uh oh, I just started
Speaker 1: just in order did on that. So it's good. It's good.
Speaker 1: You really enjoyed it. The season one is impeccable. Fanto
Speaker 1: uh did join I'm watching right now. I'm working with Snowfall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Walter Mosley right that he is writing on like a
Speaker 1: lot of that's incredible. Season one is like Dress is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Glow is like Glow. I watched that. I watched him
Speaker 1: made still but I'm like glowing out already. I'm just
Speaker 1: like I'm done. It's no way to boot like that,
Speaker 1: no way, Like you gotta have Hulu. Right, excuse me, Bill,
Speaker 1: I'll call you thank you. No, no, no, he's saying
Speaker 1: he got it, he got to hook. I thought we
Speaker 1: couldn't mention who. They'll give you this who past work.
Speaker 1: They don't stream podcasts on the Yeah, yeah, I pulled
Speaker 1: out on that. I was like, I'm good on that ship. Um,
Speaker 1: well that's the only thing I pulled out on TV show.
Speaker 1: But no, man, that joint. Um, I guess my guilty
Speaker 1: pleasure your real rap bro like ninety Day fiancece Man.
Speaker 1: It comes on like Bravo, It comes to one on channels.
Speaker 1: It is basically a show about holes overseas finessing military
Speaker 1: niggas in the States where it's real fantastic. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean we can call it what's no No, not that
Speaker 1: sex work. No no, no no, they're not sex workers, but
Speaker 1: well some of them are. Some of them really are,
Speaker 1: like they just want to move. It's just like they're
Speaker 1: hustling niggas for green cards. It is that's allowed, yeah Trump, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I guess maybe that makes it not coming from
Speaker 1: ship is another real truth. That's what's sad is like
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of dramas and I watched a
Speaker 1: hell of I probably watched too much news MSNBC. If
Speaker 1: you can name like the first five people on a
Speaker 1: lot of MSNBC, like I can, you probably got a problem.
Speaker 1: I do have a problem, and I could name him
Speaker 1: so passionate. I love her. I kind of had a
Speaker 1: because she's like she's like her work wife. I love
Speaker 1: her saying no, no, no. I like how like punchy
Speaker 1: she is. Yeah, she's just like she'll put like one
Speaker 1: arm back and she'll be like, what do you think
Speaker 1: about help on the board. I'm like, she's already hid
Speaker 1: the show. She loves the show. She's such as to this,
Speaker 1: She's like, my bff, I were really high brought up
Speaker 1: to you guys because I didn't think no, we didn't
Speaker 1: think it was a safe I've seen her stand up
Speaker 1: by how she took some hicks and some dope as ways,
Speaker 1: Like she's like, what do you mean didn't you didn't
Speaker 1: know that he's from Canada? What did you think he
Speaker 1: was from? Oh? Yeah, that was a great day. Was great?
Speaker 1: Remember that bad it's the ok then fought with bo Jack.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to go so good okay, okay, but
Speaker 1: she was incredible actually that she was like a perfect
Speaker 1: the perfect vision. Really she that was my celebrity friend.
Speaker 1: She told me she is coming on. Uh is she cool? Secrets,
Speaker 1: she's happy, Okay, secrets, something's about to happen, like, okay,
Speaker 1: four months, I'll support it. You can see her in
Speaker 1: the Andre Leon Tally documentary if you just happened to
Speaker 1: go by miss her. She's on that. She wanted to
Speaker 1: drop that because it's a really dope documentary. Wait, have
Speaker 1: ever ever told my Andre Leon Tally joke before? No? No,
Speaker 1: so much. I've seen a documentary it's not about him. No.
Speaker 1: Once there's a about to Andre Leon Tally with the
Speaker 1: with the that for hating and his get up and
Speaker 1: it's like, uh Russell's ex wife, and I think, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was jay Z. I thought he was
Speaker 1: happy to and I hit him up, like, yo, that's
Speaker 1: saying that's a weird you hit up J about this business.
Speaker 1: You know many times he's been mad at. But a
Speaker 1: picture of J and like this weird fucking hat though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a real picture, but if you look at it, you
Speaker 1: can google it and see like it looks more like
Speaker 1: jay Z ben Andre And I was just like, I
Speaker 1: was like interested in the choice of coat, Yeah there, sir,
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's not me and didn't talk
Speaker 1: to me for like three months. And yo, am I
Speaker 1: the only one that watches HDTV like around my wife,
Speaker 1: Property Brothers been on the Yeah, yeah, that's my property Brothers,
Speaker 1: House Hunters, Honey International, House International, I watch the Regular House.
Speaker 1: What's the one with the flip? Is it flip my house?
Speaker 1: It's none of that. Okay, I'm here. I'm sorry. It
Speaker 1: does look like jay Z see see it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be okay, us he didn't talk to me for three
Speaker 1: months for that ship. That's all right, bill with me?
Speaker 1: What do you watch? What do I watch too much of?
Speaker 1: What's your show that you binge out for? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go last, okay, I'm just hey, hey, you didn't watching?
Speaker 1: I plan on being watching Better Call Sauce season four
Speaker 1: like in a few weeks. Okay, it's how do you
Speaker 1: feel about Better cross Off? I love it. I love
Speaker 1: it now. I'm here and talk that it's better than
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad. I'm here and talk. I'm watching the different
Speaker 1: Dorrey musics on that. Yeah, not on Better Call, so
Speaker 1: I don't think less. He hasn't showed up yet. I'm
Speaker 1: like behind the episode or two. Yeah, I'm behying a few,
Speaker 1: I'm just in the middle. Three. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: different show. So I'm not really judging it by breaking
Speaker 1: bad standards because it's not about Walter White. It's not
Speaker 1: about you know, some dude becoming a meth dealer. It's
Speaker 1: but it's about it. It's about you know, Jimmy turned
Speaker 1: into Saul. So it's a different journey. Now, what's your
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure? I spent way too much time watching The
Speaker 1: Fresh Prince Bell Are class. You don't understand how much
Speaker 1: time I spend watching You feel guilty for the time. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know a guilty pleasure show. I hear. I have
Speaker 1: not watched it, but I hear that it's like perfect
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure. Reverend runs new show. I tried to watch
Speaker 1: that scripted yall scripted. They tried to take his reality
Speaker 1: show and make it a real show, make it to
Speaker 1: a real show. So he's not playing he's playing himself.
Speaker 1: But he has another name for I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: shout out to you. Is it no black ones? Right right?
Speaker 1: This show got really really I'm gonna come in the
Speaker 1: bubble black the damn I've not watched one frame, so
Speaker 1: you can google who you got better to look at?
Speaker 1: Not for nothing, but you know, I want to see Diggie. Sorry,
Speaker 1: there is molesters. You are you too? That's what I suspects.
Speaker 1: What do you? What do you been there? I like
Speaker 1: Toe's arc um watching Orange controversial for some reason this season, right, yeah, Dark,
Speaker 1: is that what happened? I think they need to kind
Speaker 1: of wrap it up. I think this next season need
Speaker 1: to have y'all seen Have y'all seen Wentworth? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying what I thought you might have said.
Speaker 1: Because it's Australia's it's so damn same year. Came out
Speaker 1: the same year too, Australia's Orangers and New Banks. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: anybody it's with Gomera, No watch person, Amazon, isn't it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's on It's on Netflix. I think season wanted to
Speaker 1: on Netflix. And it's basically The Wire, but like how
Speaker 1: The Wire would be, it takes place in Italy and
Speaker 1: it's basically Sicilian. Mom. Yeah, Mom, watching tonight, we're doing sounds.
Speaker 1: That ship is fucking dope. So it's based on a
Speaker 1: book like the like Nari Times Love. It's better than
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Broke. You said, Narco is
Speaker 1: pretty good now, better than the moor Is Whipping Narcos.
Speaker 1: As it's based on a book. It's a real story
Speaker 1: about the Camoral crime fan more like the guy that
Speaker 1: wrote it. Yeah, comre just like some one more and
Speaker 1: like the author that wrote it, like the nigger had
Speaker 1: to go like in hiding and ship like he's still more.
Speaker 1: So it's like, is this your porn? You've been big man,
Speaker 1: But it's not what you spent. It's a guilty pleasure
Speaker 1: more as hard as nails. I think I know what
Speaker 1: you're guilty pleasure, but what is it? Me? Yeah, Riverdale
Speaker 1: right now, but yeah, that's archies. But if archies were
Speaker 1: so good, yeah girl, if the Archies were gossip girl,
Speaker 1: it's so that's good. I watched, I hate, I watched,
Speaker 1: I hate how good it is? This is good? Alright, Oh,
Speaker 1: my guilty pleasure. I know you're you're a regular joint.
Speaker 1: I've been watching a cartoon on Netflix called big Mouth
Speaker 1: right now. I pulled out of that one too. I
Speaker 1: was just like, I can't but it's just stupid to me.
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess it's like y'all watching those. To me,
Speaker 1: it was I was just worried. To me, the slope
Speaker 1: was kind of slippery because it's like, Okay, these are
Speaker 1: teenage genital you're talking and I know it's animated. No,
Speaker 1: I'm dead. And I was just I was like Angel
Speaker 1: and it was it was it was too close to you. No. No,
Speaker 1: the one episode like girls, it's Genitalia. It's like like
Speaker 1: the girls, and so it was one episode where like
Speaker 1: the girls vagina and I was just like, dude, I
Speaker 1: can't do this. I am happy that the girl's vagina
Speaker 1: is getting as much time as the boy's masturbation episode
Speaker 1: that I was very, very pleasantly surprised. I think that
Speaker 1: got a second season too. My guilty pleasure, though, I'm
Speaker 1: with Diallo because I've watched too much Discovery. I d
Speaker 1: Wives with Knives because I'm I literally called Discovery. I
Speaker 1: d The White on White Crime Channel and then just
Speaker 1: watched like three hours of it. You'll be hooked? Is
Speaker 1: it better than Smart People? My show? My doesn't feel
Speaker 1: the show I think it came on. I d was
Speaker 1: Naked and Afraid. If you all will watch, that's your grant.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it because you know, does anyone here
Speaker 1: watching Disenchantment? I watched it in the bathroom, and in
Speaker 1: the last three days I've been watching in the bathroom
Speaker 1: because I can't. It's no windows in the hotel for
Speaker 1: me to do what I do, So I put it
Speaker 1: on my phone and watch the Disenchantment show up the bathroom.
Speaker 1: It's Mac Groening's read what I'm saying. We have no bamathroom?
Speaker 1: Uh series? Uh with What's from nothing? Uh? Abby? Oh
Speaker 1: there you go, a right happy from rock City. Okay,
Speaker 1: It's it's like an animated The Simpsons, macrowning right backgrowning? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what's the nama? Yeah? I never was that, like
Speaker 1: really trauma was Actually it was good. And you can't
Speaker 1: paw on the law and order. You watch exactly got good?
Speaker 1: You got good taste. I'm co signing mad shit on
Speaker 1: this side, all right, fighting Damn, you gotta answer the question. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are so uh well rounded
Speaker 1: with your choices, Like I'm barely keeping up with all
Speaker 1: the own stuff, Like I just gotten the Queen Sugar.
Speaker 1: I'm not watching Sugar. I'm not doing that. Are you
Speaker 1: watching good? Here's the thing though, man, fucking Angel needs
Speaker 1: to talk every and Eva actually told me that they
Speaker 1: spend twice the budget money and post uh turning up
Speaker 1: trying to adjust because he whispers anyway, yeah, every green
Speaker 1: Leaf that what else am I missing on? Own? That's
Speaker 1: a that's a drama. Isn't there a third? Love is
Speaker 1: too big on? I gave it an that's the talent,
Speaker 1: but the serious drama thing that's on the level of
Speaker 1: Queen Sugar and Greenleaf Ship? Man, how could I forget
Speaker 1: y'alla fix My Life? Popular one nigger? Ya? That's pretty great?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because the greatest part about it is
Speaker 1: like after every show, it's like, since appearing on and
Speaker 1: y'alla picks my life, ship has gotten exponentially worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the end of every show she never picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. It's almost like she she tells them more
Speaker 1: specific reasons to hate each other. You don't like him
Speaker 1: because he reminds you your mama who you like? Can
Speaker 1: I pitch something? I haven't I have a at a pitch? No, No,
Speaker 1: here's I'll open up to the room. Is there a
Speaker 1: show because you've mentioned two to seven again, Is there
Speaker 1: a show that Netflix can pluck out of the past,
Speaker 1: out of the black past, and do like the serious,
Speaker 1: the serious version Archie to Riverdale, Seven Family Matters living
Speaker 1: in Chicago, in Chicago with a black nerd. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was like the whitest black show. This is all about
Speaker 1: what happened to Judy. Oh yeah, yeah, how she went
Speaker 1: upstairs and talking about her going into porn. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the why did you care to went upstairs? And
Speaker 1: then they never did, like all right, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. That was like alf the summer alf
Speaker 1: got canceled, but they ended on a cliffhanger. Technically, technically
Speaker 1: the end of ALFA is the scientists dragging on and
Speaker 1: he's like, Willy still man, y'all show didn get on
Speaker 1: the air, and somebody pitched alf and got rich. There's
Speaker 1: a they say that was They said ALF is hands
Speaker 1: down the angriest, nastiest, most toxic set in the history
Speaker 1: of the Dad was on crack and the negative wrote
Speaker 1: it was your dad, your dad real crack and Small
Speaker 1: Wonder was the worst. Let's can't wait the old Small Wonder.
Speaker 1: That was what weird. I'm gonna make a little girl
Speaker 1: may just google alf that crack. The writer for I
Speaker 1: also did a boy from the Basketball Diaries that movie,
Speaker 1: um the movie that remember the movie, but and he
Speaker 1: was about it was about a writer that and like
Speaker 1: his life was all sucked up. He was the guy
Speaker 1: that wrote alf he was a drug addage ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that makes sense, all right, My no, my guilty.
Speaker 1: I will stick with what I really think yours is.
Speaker 1: I will say that if I'm in bed and I
Speaker 1: don't feel like reaching for the remote and there's a
Speaker 1: Kardashian marathon, I won't rush to change the channel, like
Speaker 1: I'm just too lazy. When I was on folon because
Speaker 1: like it reminded me of living in l A. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like you see the freeways,
Speaker 1: you see like you'll be like, oh she just looking
Speaker 1: all that sense like it was. It was like a
Speaker 1: little postcard from home, regardless of who they were talking.
Speaker 1: It's only like three episodes and then I gotta stop,
Speaker 1: Like I find myself getting sucked in. The show is
Speaker 1: not popular because it sucks. You know, it's a good show.
Speaker 1: The reason it's super popular because it's like, but I
Speaker 1: feel super guilty for watching it. We'll take one last
Speaker 1: break and then we'll finish our last sepiade and then
Speaker 1: we gotta wrap up the show famitized right. Yes, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you're like sample that part. This is written
Speaker 1: by Michael McDonald Darryl Hall. There's not stuff that's awful,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like they're all right, Michael mcnell, really right.
Speaker 1: I believe every day I guess stuff. Okay, count the negatives.
Speaker 1: Here we go, right, you can't each other up? Alright? Shut?
Speaker 1: I was like, shut up. That's that's that they were
Speaker 1: painting right exactly. Y they were Timmy Day shout out
Speaker 1: the original m Looked at the Rainbow. Yes, that's my
Speaker 1: one of my favorite records, when the best records ever made.
Speaker 1: My final question is already is Hollywood running out of
Speaker 1: ideas with all these No, I'm just outside of the studio.
Speaker 1: I've just seen a sign for Magnum p. I see
Speaker 1: that's that's new ideas. But if they think they can
Speaker 1: make more money on a reboot, we are the We
Speaker 1: are sellers and networks are buyers, and we go in
Speaker 1: and we pitch a new idea. Say I want to
Speaker 1: pitch Black Girl Lives in a pinball machine. They'll say
Speaker 1: say no, They're going to go through the whatever bath
Speaker 1: they used to see which one's going to bring in
Speaker 1: more money. So it's not that we don't have boots
Speaker 1: and that already has a building, it's already been successful,
Speaker 1: has been on the air for like nine seasons. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen one episode, but like anytime, like I'm at
Speaker 1: home and I turned on CBS on a Friday night,
Speaker 1: you'll see Hawaifi. But that's a reboot and it's been
Speaker 1: on for nine season. Most of those guys were on Lost,
Speaker 1: they just on the Hawaii and they just they're like
Speaker 1: another show coming, y'all. Have you feel it still a
Speaker 1: toxic night on television? Um So, actually no, I don't
Speaker 1: think so because it isn't Blue Bloods on Friday too.
Speaker 1: I feel like CBS has a bunch of dramas on
Speaker 1: Friday and they have all they're all successful, and Friday
Speaker 1: night in the lay up night, like that's the boot
Speaker 1: up nights Saturday Night is I think. I think what
Speaker 1: it is that CBS knows their audience. They're all really old.
Speaker 1: They have not cut they don't even know what cutting
Speaker 1: the cord is about, and so they're just like this
Speaker 1: shows about the cops and then this other shows about
Speaker 1: more cops. On Hawaii, so like they like cops, cops
Speaker 1: in hospitals. Everything is like a lazy trend to like
Speaker 1: like they all saying we were an HBO girl was successful,
Speaker 1: so they try to make everything like that. Roseanne has
Speaker 1: been a successful reboots and now you see all these
Speaker 1: reboots coming. But the other part of that equation I
Speaker 1: think is also the TV viewers are just a lot
Speaker 1: older than people think they are. So are we ready
Speaker 1: for the Martin reboot? Is that going to happen? They
Speaker 1: were talking about, Yeah, trust me, some things just need
Speaker 1: to be left alone. Sometimes you just fun it up
Speaker 1: when you just bring it back, like Roseanne, she sucked
Speaker 1: that up. Was like I'm saying, it would have been
Speaker 1: good to it was. I I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: against Cosby back when they were like going at you
Speaker 1: know you never watched it, catch it back. That's the
Speaker 1: show I love. I know this family hold on always
Speaker 1: wanting to see a black version. You watched they explained
Speaker 1: how the white guy wouldn't kiss a black girl back
Speaker 1: in the day, adopted a white girl a black girl.
Speaker 1: You try a DJ between you mean on the episode
Speaker 1: when j J. That's the things that they had kid,
Speaker 1: that's why. I think that's why they why they had
Speaker 1: him adopted black Girl, and they hadn't gotten to that yet.
Speaker 1: There were so many original characters that I thought was
Speaker 1: dope that there were still a part of the show
Speaker 1: they brought back, that they were still getting couple. Yet
Speaker 1: I felt like they were treating that Black Girl on
Speaker 1: the show is like a mask. That was yes, and
Speaker 1: I was like, she is because she's on different strokes.
Speaker 1: Oliver on Rady Bunch, like just the Mr Dn the
Speaker 1: Bundies have another child at the seven. Yeah. Yeah, anytime
Speaker 1: a baby showed up on a sitcom, that's when you
Speaker 1: noticed then and Nelson, Winnie and Nelson. I didn't know
Speaker 1: she was great, but she absolutely was an injection of
Speaker 1: all right, we need some new character. But then what
Speaker 1: was it was a mistake. I mean like I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that up they brought the I was like not
Speaker 1: because even like it was either if you knew what
Speaker 1: SI comes about the end when like a baby showed
Speaker 1: up or when bump a Rood Robinson when he showed up.
Speaker 1: It's like I was gonna say when Colonel Taylor married Lisa,
Speaker 1: but you know that was that happen? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: why do you remind me? Yeah, that was uncomfortable. Then
Speaker 1: she got pregnant and it was like, oh, you're all
Speaker 1: really doing that. Actors were uncomfortable. They were like reading
Speaker 1: that script like what yo, I hate you right now,
Speaker 1: that nigga, that nigga Clarence so one one word, that
Speaker 1: one place where that rule does not work with on
Speaker 1: Living Single, he showed her he was he was in
Speaker 1: the early seasons as like one of the kadidious assistants
Speaker 1: or something like, oh wow, okay, I didn't watch The
Speaker 1: Living like that, but I forgotten underrated show. That show
Speaker 1: was so underrated. I didn't watch another thing like that. Now.
Speaker 1: My assumption was that show was so good, and I
Speaker 1: was like, but I didn't watch a lot of TV
Speaker 1: like in the nineties, like I was just always this
Speaker 1: in music. I was saying that Living Single was was
Speaker 1: it was underrated because my assumption at the time was
Speaker 1: about to get a bunch of new shows like this
Speaker 1: and that was wrong and it wasn't because that Friends,
Speaker 1: that show is so good. Yeah, but that shows I
Speaker 1: think that shows personally better than Friends. Shout Outley Bowser. Yes,
Speaker 1: that at least beginning, I mean Friends, I will admit
Speaker 1: towards the middle of Handband on that show, Overton, Overton
Speaker 1: and funny. Man, it was funny. A little too much
Speaker 1: like your mama. He's always do this print joke like
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just like my mama. Yeah, a little too
Speaker 1: much like your mama. Big he was hilarious. Sequence, but
Speaker 1: Eric Alexander I thought was big. I didn't called her
Speaker 1: big legs, and I haven't called her big legs. Her
Speaker 1: name was big Legs, big less. Wait a minute, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm learning the learning, all right. So I've learned, uh
Speaker 1: these past two hours that uh that what we learn
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what we learned? Yeah, we got to get back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I've learned that, uh that reboots are not a
Speaker 1: good idea, but you guys are pitching new ideas, are
Speaker 1: ignoring uh, And I'm also getting the feeling that we
Speaker 1: won't overcome. What did you learn? Oh man, I learned that.
Speaker 1: Um well, it's hard to say because I've known everyone
Speaker 1: pretty much for a while. But but but now, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I hope what I hope people see. It's
Speaker 1: just how long it takes to achieve your dream. I mean,
Speaker 1: just from knowing Angie from Okay Player and like knowing
Speaker 1: where she's come from, and then just watching these cats
Speaker 1: like go through Yeah, yeah, like they from they started
Speaker 1: with a web series and the message like an old
Speaker 1: seven y yeah, even before fallon, and like just seeing
Speaker 1: how long it takes too actually gained some ground and
Speaker 1: this ship man like forever. Yeah, it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: testament that's just hard working, just perseverance. What did you learn?
Speaker 1: I learned there needs to be a slew of domestic
Speaker 1: writing workshops for women, especially the black ones, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to comedy. I kind of already knew that,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to reiterate that to the world
Speaker 1: because I got Angel in my life who tells me
Speaker 1: this all the time, But how are you on your journey?
Speaker 1: And well I got these two gigs from Quest of Supreme,
Speaker 1: so I haven't been necessarily working on my dreams like
Speaker 1: I should have. But I think after we've done this
Speaker 1: marathon and recordings in l A, it's time she did
Speaker 1: a stand up you did at uh we were there
Speaker 1: for Ruth's picnic Um when Tarik did this comedy thing, right,
Speaker 1: she did like five minutes I recorded it. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we still got to talk about but I recorded it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not like a stand up for me, nothing
Speaker 1: like that. I just recorded it and I watched it,
Speaker 1: like you just gotta write some jokes her like her. No,
Speaker 1: I'm dead, She's gotta write some jokes like her. But
Speaker 1: every had come from under that when she stepped on stage.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, and I mean we
Speaker 1: talked briefly, her command of the stage is really fucking dope.
Speaker 1: When you stepped on stage, people listening like you had
Speaker 1: them at every word. There was just no jokes. But like,
Speaker 1: but you had good premises, like you had no No,
Speaker 1: I mean you had that thing. You had a thing
Speaker 1: where you would like talking about living in l A
Speaker 1: as a black woman in l A. Which was like
Speaker 1: a funny premise, you know what I mean. But it
Speaker 1: just you're on the right path. Talk about that time
Speaker 1: out time Now. We've been here for a hundred plus episodes,
Speaker 1: and the common theme that we've learned from every artist
Speaker 1: we ever interviewed on the show is that the wisdom
Speaker 1: and the knowledge come from the failure part. I'm listening.
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm listening. Now you're quiet. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that we've we've got every comedian has gone through this, Dude,
Speaker 1: I secretly go through this, even the world that I
Speaker 1: occasionally get I understand. Angel came to my first ever
Speaker 1: comedy show, and I was nervous for that. She was
Speaker 1: sitting in your bravorite person. I am because no one
Speaker 1: I know has ever seen me get on stage. You're
Speaker 1: doing you're doing this time? But I mean you've been
Speaker 1: here for those smoke too much? Weak? Are we? Are
Speaker 1: we doing that? Are we doing that? I would like something.
Speaker 1: My My point is that, yes, in order for you
Speaker 1: to get better, you have to keep doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta start in the mail room. So I think
Speaker 1: you're on the right path. Now, She started out like
Speaker 1: I mean, she, have you been on stage since the
Speaker 1: Roots picnic? Anyway? What else have you learned? That? That's good?
Speaker 1: I'm done. You gotta do this weekly. I don't have
Speaker 1: no more. Is the comedy act the theater is still
Speaker 1: a thing in l A Or is that like a
Speaker 1: thing of the past. There's many open we can maker.
Speaker 1: I would love to here. Now, Okay, let's do it natural.
Speaker 1: I'll go with you. This will help you, This will
Speaker 1: help in a lot of areas. You gotta start the sweating. Okay,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they're listening to that, he's saying
Speaker 1: that they were listening. Yeah, that's really your your half.
Speaker 1: That's half always half the battle, right, so huge. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of comedians who are funny, but they
Speaker 1: can't hold that audience. Okay, so that's something that they
Speaker 1: listened to. You did you learn thing I did. I
Speaker 1: learned that when I work a long day, maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't come to the pothead. I got something right, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: actually I did learn that from you guys. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that writers go through the same kind of long
Speaker 1: hustle comedians go through. I did not realize how long
Speaker 1: the fight that was, and I don't think that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Did not realize that the grind is the same, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: can I just I learned, I'm going to be real.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go last year, we're going in there. Okay.
Speaker 1: Uh what I learned? Uh? Man, I learned that I
Speaker 1: learned that Donald Gluver was brought on not know this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yes, I knew were I say, I've heard
Speaker 1: I've never heard that, and I know people room like
Speaker 1: I got a great two fer line. I got a
Speaker 1: great Uh, I got a great line for you to
Speaker 1: free letter no no shout out. I learned this fact
Speaker 1: jan the nbill Cosmy bought NBC RIGHTA. I learned this
Speaker 1: fact to him. It was one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 1: And when I asked about it because I got to
Speaker 1: know Jeff, Tina's husband who does the music for the show,
Speaker 1: he explained to me that, yes, Donald wrote this, and
Speaker 1: then also explained that, you know, he was I'm agreeing
Speaker 1: with the way y'all looking yo, the way y'all side
Speaker 1: unless you are in the writer's room. I'm just I've
Speaker 1: heard people say you write to all of Twick's rhymes
Speaker 1: and and it's like they say that. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: an electrician. How the hell do you know? Said? I
Speaker 1: got another question now, I was about to let the
Speaker 1: show go. How uh how small is the world as
Speaker 1: far as like writer's rooms are concerned? Like, oh I
Speaker 1: heard stuff about uh that particular show, and like like
Speaker 1: is the writer's room versus writer's rooms? Like how fast
Speaker 1: this news travel about certain shows? You can travel real fast.
Speaker 1: If they're their friends who work on shows, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that how mofucker came in there? And he
Speaker 1: he told someone, so you you you fired? You know,
Speaker 1: like all that talk, you know, Okay, without naming is
Speaker 1: there a just is there? It was Neil Simon, My
Speaker 1: gossip is old. Is there a list of shows that's like, uh,
Speaker 1: the top three shows I know never to ever approach
Speaker 1: or to go to, Like you've heard that work for. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a game of thrown is literally two guys and
Speaker 1: their staff writers. So that's like one of the smallest
Speaker 1: rooms there was producers you know, are showrunners that people
Speaker 1: say not to work for. But I will also say
Speaker 1: that when Meth and Red got canceled, it was the
Speaker 1: shot black writers heard around them just show because again
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm the only black writer in the room.
Speaker 1: You were you wrote on that show you No, No,
Speaker 1: No Again, it was literally traveled around so because from
Speaker 1: what I hear, and again this has passed down the line,
Speaker 1: but there was there was a room full of white
Speaker 1: writers and meth and Red didn't like what we was
Speaker 1: being written and someone they were like, yeah, he shoved
Speaker 1: him in the face, and they were like and methem
Speaker 1: Red called it a mush and then he mushed him
Speaker 1: in the face. They were teaching them about yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, and they were like, you just
Speaker 1: don't come to Hollywood and we give you a show,
Speaker 1: and you mushed people. And so for the next seven weeks,
Speaker 1: I could you know, what I heard was rappers coming
Speaker 1: to Hollywood, mushing people. They don't so ship and then
Speaker 1: I'm the one black person where I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 1: wish anybody while you're looking at me. I've never even
Speaker 1: heard that word, sam. So I also learned not to
Speaker 1: believe everything I hear when it comes from Jeffridge. Would
Speaker 1: you learn? I learned two things. I learned that Stephanie
Speaker 1: Rule listens to q ls. That's that's pretty fun. Um.
Speaker 1: I also learned that how Lindon is still alive and
Speaker 1: man Ron Glasses and so, you know, shout out to
Speaker 1: how wherever you are um and able to go to
Speaker 1: heed he just recently died, and shout out to the
Speaker 1: guys who make it to the nineties. I love that documentary.
Speaker 1: The fact that mel Brooks and Carl Rhiner are still
Speaker 1: buddies and they still hang on the afternoon, that's amazing
Speaker 1: to me. Soosh Bill arn I learned that if I
Speaker 1: ever want to get a show in the air, don't
Speaker 1: take it to HBO unless I have like a decade
Speaker 1: to waste. You would think that with Netflix and the
Speaker 1: way that streaming, I think that's changing. I do think
Speaker 1: things are changing. I think our experiences we were still
Speaker 1: a little bit unique and and and what you are
Speaker 1: for the course, well, you know, you know what, man like,
Speaker 1: I had a homie that was working on they were
Speaker 1: doing a um, they were doing a Lewis and Clark.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be. It was it was like
Speaker 1: three or four years they developed that. That's that's the
Speaker 1: one that took eight years, right, Yeah, and Clark took
Speaker 1: eight years to develop. And I had a homie that
Speaker 1: was working he was in that show and they was
Speaker 1: just like nah it um. Look, I think that's changed
Speaker 1: a lot because you know, for the first time, Netflix
Speaker 1: got more nominations in HBO. I think. I think, I
Speaker 1: think the industry is changing. I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: parties in ways. You know, I'm I'm actually to go
Speaker 1: back to your point earlier. I'm becoming more of a
Speaker 1: student of how people consume. So I'm finding out that
Speaker 1: like v O D doesn't really count towards your ratings,
Speaker 1: but people watching on the app does, Like, so maybe
Speaker 1: stay on the people on the tech side to make
Speaker 1: sure that the app doesn't crash when too many people
Speaker 1: are trying to watch the show through the app. Like,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of ways the technology and the
Speaker 1: in the and and the content creation or colliding. And
Speaker 1: I think it's smart for all creators to educate yourself. Man, well,
Speaker 1: I guess doesn't count towards ratings. It's complicated like the apps.
Speaker 1: And uh, I saw a chart and we actually have
Speaker 1: a meeting next week at UH I have c on this,
Speaker 1: but like there is a chart that shows you, like
Speaker 1: which things count actually towards your ratings and which things
Speaker 1: are lovely but they do not. Oh, man, I guess
Speaker 1: what we should go? We should ask y'all, like for
Speaker 1: young writers trying to come up, like what would you
Speaker 1: say to him? We should but hang on, so uh suk, Steve,
Speaker 1: can you tell us what you learned that Steve is
Speaker 1: not on the MIC. I know this at IT I
Speaker 1: learned Steve Mandel. I don't like to be the only
Speaker 1: white guy in the room. You can Steve, gave you
Speaker 1: your platform, you're not here. I actually just learned through
Speaker 1: texted my services will not be needed on the last
Speaker 1: o G do to something somebody in the sad room
Speaker 1: snitching about some ship. Hilarious, No real. The thing that
Speaker 1: I learned is that Fante has really shitty tasting TV.
Speaker 1: I'll watched by nay by myself. Thank you very much, y'all.
Speaker 1: What your question? Oh? No, just um for like young
Speaker 1: writers trying to get into the game, Like, what would
Speaker 1: y'all tell them? I mean other than like start years ago?
Speaker 1: But go to Harvard, Go to Harvard. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't know that's that's real quick. I
Speaker 1: think that I always tell oll people. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: right every day, get good at writing. If you're if
Speaker 1: you claim to be a writer, then you should love
Speaker 1: doing it. You know what I'm saying. Nobody puts a
Speaker 1: gun to your head and says, hey, make music. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like it because you just do it,
Speaker 1: because that's what you want to do. You'll get good
Speaker 1: at it. You know, over time and and and and
Speaker 1: always you know, stays with yourself. And and that doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily mean you got to write a show about a
Speaker 1: person who grew up in your hometown who came to
Speaker 1: Hollywood to try to be a writer because I always say,
Speaker 1: George Lucas didn't grow up flying spaceships, like whatever isn't
Speaker 1: you know your interests? Like write it right it all
Speaker 1: the time. Don't ask everybody that you know to you know,
Speaker 1: read you constantly. Like once you write it and it's
Speaker 1: really really good. Be happy that anybody reads anything that
Speaker 1: you give them. And please give them at least a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks even months to read it, because I
Speaker 1: think everybody in this room has had that person who's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you you read it. Yeah, I sent it to you
Speaker 1: at five pm. You know, like that's the thing. To
Speaker 1: read the scripts so hard. It took me even like
Speaker 1: I was just like, man like, it took me a
Speaker 1: while to learn how to read scripts. And even the
Speaker 1: best writer may have terrible advice for how to fix
Speaker 1: your scripts. So at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: have to believe in it. You have to know how
Speaker 1: to fix it. I tell people, you know, when young
Speaker 1: writers asked me all the time, I say, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to be really hard in your work, like
Speaker 1: extremely hard in your work. Make sure people who read
Speaker 1: it are not gonna be nice about it. But people
Speaker 1: who have good taste, but then also really make something
Speaker 1: because nobody wants to read the script, like I'd rather
Speaker 1: you send me a link to some ship I can
Speaker 1: watch and let me see how good you are, because
Speaker 1: I'm not about to read ten pages. Make something, make something.
Speaker 1: I would say, don't don't steal ideas, don't steal like
Speaker 1: like you know some young writers who go, oh, I
Speaker 1: like that, I'm going to write that, but that's already on.
Speaker 1: You know what do you like what you're saying? What
Speaker 1: are you passionate about? And Shonda Rhymes did say that
Speaker 1: and she said, don't steal, don't steal? Its crazy? Um,
Speaker 1: all right, well say something or my tripper, did you
Speaker 1: say something and you had no advice making? My advice
Speaker 1: actually would be if you want to be in a
Speaker 1: writer's room, it's to not only get good at writing,
Speaker 1: but you should maybe take an improv class if you're
Speaker 1: not good at being around people, because you can't. And
Speaker 1: by the way, that's my always my biggest advice, especially
Speaker 1: in comedy, my biggest advice for people who want to
Speaker 1: come up no matter what they want to do direct,
Speaker 1: act right anything. If you haven't done that much and
Speaker 1: you're still figuring out what you want to do. Take
Speaker 1: an improv class because you'll be around other people who
Speaker 1: have similar interests and then at some point you'll figure out, well,
Speaker 1: that person has an eye for something, this person is
Speaker 1: a better writer than an actor, and this person is
Speaker 1: a star in the making. You'll you'll create a network
Speaker 1: of people. Me and but Shier's first four way into
Speaker 1: this thing was just doing a sketch show with our friends,
Speaker 1: you know, for for no money at a theater and wow,
Speaker 1: we looked up one day and by the way, that
Speaker 1: was a hell of a sketch group. Our very first
Speaker 1: foray into anything was the form of a six person
Speaker 1: sketch group. I look back on who is in that
Speaker 1: sketch up was me and Basher? Why it's an that
Speaker 1: Robin thed and and Andrew Yarborough and nobody had done
Speaker 1: anything where we thought why it was the star because
Speaker 1: he had written, He had written on a season of
Speaker 1: King of the Hill. He was the start of the
Speaker 1: group because of that. So there you go. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think writers, especially people want to get into TV
Speaker 1: film get so caught up in the How did right
Speaker 1: and I have to put interior exterior of this business
Speaker 1: is managing people and getting along with other people in personalities.
Speaker 1: And you can't read that in any books. I would say,
Speaker 1: work on your people skills too. Okay, well we learned
Speaker 1: a lot. That's good. Um okay, so I think we
Speaker 1: wrapped up our special Hollywood shuffle uh episode. You'll fix
Speaker 1: my freestyle, right, you'll fix my freestyle and the edit
Speaker 1: never asbout one take. We all got it. So by
Speaker 1: the way, yeah, ladies and gentlemen to my uh nine nerds.
Speaker 1: Oh look look you just step in the room. Boy,
Speaker 1: bye bye boy. Did you learn anything? Alright? Hilarious? Well,
Speaker 1: when you have a u oh wait, time out, I
Speaker 1: forgot y'all think I'm I'm bugging. I can't let this
Speaker 1: moment go by without a moment of oh god, yeah
Speaker 1: you make um Yes, I'm sorry, Bill, I gotta do
Speaker 1: this next. So let's go jump street, let's go come
Speaker 1: on now, uh one more time? One ways? Right, I
Speaker 1: don't know that should know? Is that? More like said
Speaker 1: I did you sell a little moonlighting? My advice? I
Speaker 1: got that one? Yeah, oh second, second, second, last one. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: i'nna be happy. That was angry. That was a great
Speaker 1: way to spend three minutes. Thank you. Sorry, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just wanting to be yeah before. By the way,
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