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Speaker 1: I hope you're hearing. Yeah, I wish you could see yeah,
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Speaker 1: we were Team Supreme and there's unpaid Bill. Yeah, you're back.
Speaker 1: I'm back, thank you. I was on my walk about.
Speaker 1: I did like for you three weeks. We're gonna your
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Speaker 1: There's no matt finish or waterless heater waterless, but there
Speaker 1: are some walls. Probably got some cool job ship going on. Bill,
Speaker 1: did you try and make jokes? But you probably got
Speaker 1: some real cool ship going on while you missed us. Right?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Sinsme Street was filming season fifty fifty years
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Am I to say anything about that? Or
Speaker 1: do I just wait until it happens? Or I think
Speaker 1: you should say something? Okay, Well, I'd like to thank
Speaker 1: you for finally it's been a lifelong more than soul
Speaker 1: trained and to come on, Sesame Street, glad I can
Speaker 1: help so you so you actually only you made it
Speaker 1: on I'm battling Grover. Yeah, it's quite amazing man, alright.
Speaker 1: And it's weird because like when you get in front
Speaker 1: of the muppets, you start talking to the muppets like
Speaker 1: they're real people. Also, I mean it was like legit
Speaker 1: flustered on the set. It was pretty funny. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: usually can't stop talking. He was like, huh it was
Speaker 1: it was like like I'm just gonna play the drums
Speaker 1: because I don't know how to talk, because like even
Speaker 1: even when they yelled cut, Grover's still talking to me.
Speaker 1: So well, you know, I just kept on it and
Speaker 1: then like you realize, forty seconds later talking to the
Speaker 1: band and talking to having a whole conversation. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was analytical everything about my creative process that I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, get to the heart of the matter. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: sugar Steve, how how's it going? Welcome to your Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I didn't. I have a whole network. Actually, how's
Speaker 1: your network doing? Network is blossoming? Really? Yeah, that's thriving.
Speaker 1: That's great. Thank you for asking us gardens. Are you
Speaker 1: are you happy as we or yeah? I'm good. I
Speaker 1: haven't been getting in again, this is not a pun.
Speaker 1: I haven't been getting any headaches lately, so amen, amen
Speaker 1: to that. Listen to music. I think it was just
Speaker 1: you know, we know, so I'm bringing up hold stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm good at I'm glad marsh is here. Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this one all the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: so our guest today. She made her mark in the
Speaker 1: music world as one half of the pioneering neo soil
Speaker 1: outfit entitled Floetry Um. Her reputation as a songwriter, I'll say,
Speaker 1: grew after the creation of what many, including myself, will
Speaker 1: probably say, Okay, how how big of a hyper bullock
Speaker 1: movement can I make this? You're pretty good. I personally
Speaker 1: think that Butterflies is maybe one of Michael Jackson's finest
Speaker 1: vocal performances in the last ten years of his life.
Speaker 1: Without without, without without a diet. It is actually enunciating
Speaker 1: yeah and not gritting. I'll ask you, how did you
Speaker 1: not get into So there's a take where he just
Speaker 1: let me actually see your name first show. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: So she clapped with all of our favorites, uh not
Speaker 1: slum Village, Uh, busting rhymes, the game Earth one and
Speaker 1: fire Common Uh oh, of course, dr dre while Kanye
Speaker 1: Robert Glassdrink and everybody everything she has to your credits
Speaker 1: of course, late nights, early mornings. Uh. The very strong
Speaker 1: friends and lovers, extremely strong friends of lovers. Her husband's
Speaker 1: in the room right now, before highly respectful. Uh and
Speaker 1: uh the latest being uh NYLA, which is not for
Speaker 1: New York l A. It's not about you being by coast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I would like to think that it's also named
Speaker 1: after your My daughter daughter, who was also named after
Speaker 1: my husband, was born in l A and raised in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: New York, n y l A. And that's our tour schedule.
Speaker 1: I literally I thought that you wanted to correct a
Speaker 1: thirty five year wrong in which another famous person from
Speaker 1: the UK once had her version of coast to coast
Speaker 1: only being to Chicago. I still laughed about that even
Speaker 1: in school. I was like, geography, this is amazing because
Speaker 1: it's not coast to coast. But I love that she's
Speaker 1: my faith and she allowed me to cover strong on
Speaker 1: the prior to so rightly, that's that's crazy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: hey to like you haven't straight straight out of Liverpool. Marshall, Marshall, Marsha,
Speaker 1: what's up? Yeah? This is gonna be like all the times.
Speaker 1: It's not even you know, so I'm thinking late to
Speaker 1: Chicago western Maine. Is that? Yeah? Western May right, western Lane.
Speaker 1: Now we're absolutely clear because that's late to Chicago to Maine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's like a mea triangle with South Dakota
Speaker 1: south to Google saying it's Western may I just wanted
Speaker 1: to express the world. It wasn't about a coast to
Speaker 1: coast thing. It was where lyrically going to infuse places.
Speaker 1: Do you guys realize that there's three versions of that
Speaker 1: song and rotations elaborator? Really when you buy the single version,
Speaker 1: it's I inquired this to Stewart. They did. They did,
Speaker 1: like Stewart. What's his last name? I was about to
Speaker 1: say Jamerican last Stewart? Right, Um, yeah, they did like
Speaker 1: five takes of it. But the version on the album
Speaker 1: is like night and Day. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: I didn't notice it earlier, Like I thought it was
Speaker 1: just a regular smooth operator that we've always known. But
Speaker 1: if you compare the album version to the single version
Speaker 1: that's on radio and whatnot, it's night and day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her vocal performance everything, so the things you learned, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly know what say in Western Maine? Yeah, Western Mayle.
Speaker 1: Google I think was wrong with this one that says
Speaker 1: Western Mayle m a l e Oh yeah, no, that
Speaker 1: caught me. Oh wait, that's context. That's oh yeah, she
Speaker 1: could have been let's just it's been the whole episode
Speaker 1: trying to figure and say, you know what, I don't
Speaker 1: not no moment. That's an old number. Oh man, that
Speaker 1: number was like eight numbers. Yeah, he didn't threw his
Speaker 1: wife phone away. How you doing, I'm great. How are
Speaker 1: you fine? I'm fine. Wait, that's what I did not
Speaker 1: know that you were born in Liverpool. I thought you
Speaker 1: were just straight up London. No, born in Liverpool and
Speaker 1: we moved when I was about five years old. I
Speaker 1: only really went to school in London and went back
Speaker 1: for every holiday. So I guess how your semesters work.
Speaker 1: It would be or easter break, summer. When you think
Speaker 1: of home, it's Liverpool. I think of a place I think, really,
Speaker 1: I was thinking of no, not not, not really, I
Speaker 1: think of Liverpool. But I do reference London because that
Speaker 1: was the you know, trying times. It was parents separating.
Speaker 1: It was okay, I'm going to play basketball, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do music, I'm going to do everything to keep
Speaker 1: myself occupied and then go back to Liverpool. How are
Speaker 1: you and your parents? Like six? So that picture on
Speaker 1: the cover of NYLO, that's I'm about eight there, yes,
Speaker 1: seven or eight. So it was my dad's base in
Speaker 1: the background with his giant amplifier that I used to
Speaker 1: just switch on and off in the middle of the
Speaker 1: night so you can hear that, like go back to sleep.
Speaker 1: So that was my That was my musician. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was in a seventies band called Supercharge signed to Virgin
Speaker 1: Records back in the day. And if you google with that,
Speaker 1: h um, well, if you do find the the YouTube
Speaker 1: footage of said things. He's doing the robot in six
Speaker 1: on live television in Australia somewhere. This footage of this
Speaker 1: is incredible. I can't wait, but it's it's definitely google
Speaker 1: ble and just being brought up in a household where
Speaker 1: music was everything. My mother has more vinyl than you.
Speaker 1: She does not even like, oh my mom's got no,
Speaker 1: she does like, which is crazy. We have like a
Speaker 1: storage unit. My uncle has some and she has something else.
Speaker 1: She was just a vinyl lover or yeah, like from
Speaker 1: stations No, that was very popular in the UK, and
Speaker 1: she could she may as well have done at that point,
Speaker 1: but I remember, um, you know that pivotal point when
Speaker 1: you realize what music actually is. And for me, that
Speaker 1: turning point was Purple Rain. Purple Raining, off the wall
Speaker 1: did it for me personally where I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I know what makes me feel really really happy?
Speaker 1: And it was I can't help it, and it was
Speaker 1: take Me with You the drum intro in the beginning
Speaker 1: and Computer Blue that outro and those records were just
Speaker 1: as big over there as they were absolutely even though
Speaker 1: he didn't and um, yeah, it wasn't really about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't see Prince Live until my latter years,
Speaker 1: thankfully I did. But were you allowed to watch Purple Ray? No?
Speaker 1: But we did. I realized that I watched what was
Speaker 1: it the Thing? John carpent Is the Thing when I
Speaker 1: was like five? Who does that? But I loved it
Speaker 1: when the spider the head gets detached and it's great.
Speaker 1: I was a horror movie junkie. Like the house on
Speaker 1: the cover of the Night album that had to be haunted.
Speaker 1: It was definitely living in a very haunted grib really, yeah,
Speaker 1: that had to be Are you the only Do you
Speaker 1: have any siblings? Yeah? My brother and my dad remarried,
Speaker 1: so I have a little sister. Now that was way late,
Speaker 1: so it was me and my brother growing up. Are
Speaker 1: they musically inclined as well? Yeah? My brother writes, he
Speaker 1: um plays instruments. But um, we were torn in this very,
Speaker 1: very crazy place between basketball and music, and it was
Speaker 1: my dad was also a ball player and a coach,
Speaker 1: so it was every weekend go to the outdoor, call
Speaker 1: ball out. We were both Division one, both played for
Speaker 1: England two. It was really two three over there. And
Speaker 1: then I realized, Yeah, it's weird because I think that
Speaker 1: anybody in the UK is just all about football, and
Speaker 1: really that thumbs their news up at American Um, it
Speaker 1: was a lot bigger than I guess you would think
Speaker 1: basketball over in the years. Where did you start? As
Speaker 1: soon as I could touch a ball? Really? Yeah, my
Speaker 1: dad had me and my brother playing like from early
Speaker 1: so once I got incredible, if I must say, I
Speaker 1: had dolarship, Yeah school, I was actually going to play
Speaker 1: for Georgia Tech. And my friend was playing basketball in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Um, and it's crazy how life works. He
Speaker 1: actually had a demo of a performance that I did
Speaker 1: a jazz cafe in the UK and played it for
Speaker 1: like some promoter in Philly. I'd say that was yahmine
Speaker 1: or tone or something I probably I mean. And that's
Speaker 1: how I got to Philadelphia by ways of the guy
Speaker 1: that was going to get me to play basketball at
Speaker 1: their high school and then we were all going to
Speaker 1: go to Georgia Tech. But I told you well, I
Speaker 1: mean didn't I told Ligaments two years prior to that happening.
Speaker 1: And then this friend that still played ball had my
Speaker 1: demo played it for for I mean, and then I
Speaker 1: was already in Atlanta doing Yin Yang Cafe open mics
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm sure. I'm just it's like black Lily. No,
Speaker 1: like no, like, yeah, that's the real R. I P
Speaker 1: Black Lily. Yeah, just like go to So you were
Speaker 1: what position? Did you? Were? You afford two and three.
Speaker 1: I'm a musician, so I don't know about that three.
Speaker 1: I was like okay, point yeah, so yeah, I was
Speaker 1: bowling bowling until I told Ligaments and then it was
Speaker 1: like Plan B had to be music. So I watched
Speaker 1: um Michael Jorge come fly with me every days, and
Speaker 1: I was like, come fly with me because I couldn't walk.
Speaker 1: So I used to my mom to rent that from
Speaker 1: the video story. She never would never still haven't seen
Speaker 1: it to the DEA. It was like a Michael Jordan's documentary.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it for ages, but I literally watched
Speaker 1: Jordan's Yeah really yeah, so wait, wait can I skip
Speaker 1: a little bit because technically, were you guys under Hidden
Speaker 1: Beach at all? Or we just straight it was not
Speaker 1: even epic. So we did a meeting with Hidden Beach
Speaker 1: and then it was like nah, and then we ended
Speaker 1: up with dream Works because I don't people know that
Speaker 1: Hidden Beaches kind of story of Michael Jordan's label. He's
Speaker 1: the money, right, So that was kind of there was
Speaker 1: plugs there because Jill was already there, and we kind
Speaker 1: of did the whole Steve had the whole house in Malibu.
Speaker 1: Cute touch and it's very l a, it's very oh
Speaker 1: my god, the ocean. No, I'm not signing it up.
Speaker 1: I'm also amazed that Steve uh can miraculously uh re
Speaker 1: release a Jill Scott compilation over and over when it
Speaker 1: did this is two thousands, so yeah, yeah, it's got collaborations.
Speaker 1: I mean we're past that. I mean, like this is
Speaker 1: literally like the same thing over and over. It's like
Speaker 1: the sixth version of the same If it's not that
Speaker 1: the player, right, unwrapped, that's my worst rightmare unwrapped, the
Speaker 1: roots Unwrapped didn't happen You haven't done it didn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got me? Was us making fun of Unwrapped if
Speaker 1: we decided just to keep it on there for ships
Speaker 1: and giggles. But yeah, James Poyser is notoriously obsessed with
Speaker 1: taking songs that sound good and putting them in like
Speaker 1: major chords so they sound like it's it's bing Crosby.
Speaker 1: So I met James Poyser before I met any of
Speaker 1: you guys in the UK, before I even came to
Speaker 1: the States. Him and Shape Pope really in like nine
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, so that's crazy how
Speaker 1: life works. And then possible would I run into what
Speaker 1: is Philadelphia at the time and it's Black Lily and
Speaker 1: you guys have a band, and so you literally came
Speaker 1: to instate of means And then like, well it's people
Speaker 1: different people taking credit to for this era of your life.
Speaker 1: Yea means always take credit. But yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: long They didn't meet yet, How did you? How did
Speaker 1: you meet? So Nat and myself met through basketball in
Speaker 1: the UK, So it would be basketball tournaments in South
Speaker 1: London and I, I guess played against her oldest sister
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it just became cool. You go
Speaker 1: to summer campsidence. Oh now we go to the same
Speaker 1: performing at school. Fast forward to that and we're teenagers.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, oh yeah, I remember you cool. Our
Speaker 1: parents knew each other. It was my dad works with
Speaker 1: your mom in the same building, and we were just cool, okay,
Speaker 1: And then was it just like okay, we got a dream,
Speaker 1: do you know what? Absolutely by a very very um well,
Speaker 1: incredible accident. I was doing music over there, but in
Speaker 1: the UK it's like it's hit or miss literally for
Speaker 1: black music, so you're only allowed maybe a handful of
Speaker 1: five people that can be successful at the same time.
Speaker 1: So I was the up and coming riot producer that
Speaker 1: at sixteen seventeen, I've written Butterflies, but I have Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers over there telling me that it's not good enough,
Speaker 1: it's not a good song, and I'm just disencouraged, Like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is not for me. I quit
Speaker 1: music because what I'm hearing in my head is excellence
Speaker 1: and if you think it's trash, then I don't think
Speaker 1: I can do this. So for a second, hold seen,
Speaker 1: So I kind of hung up music for a little bit,
Speaker 1: went back to basketball for a couple of seasons. Fast
Speaker 1: forward to graduating from performing art school and I heard that, um,
Speaker 1: Natalie was doing poetry. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: what would be dope. I have this song called Fantasize
Speaker 1: and a poet was on it. Let me see, I'm
Speaker 1: a here so here up yo. Put some poetry to
Speaker 1: this song. This is the hook. I'm a beat bucks
Speaker 1: beat you know coming when you come in. So she
Speaker 1: wrote her ass and we performed it and there was flowty.
Speaker 1: Now even though you were not of club age at
Speaker 1: the time, I know you're laughing like you okayre wink
Speaker 1: wink over there. It was never twenty one, okay, So
Speaker 1: you were a club age, um were you? Because all
Speaker 1: the ideas that the roots ever had as far as
Speaker 1: jam sessions were concerned, and all that stuff that we
Speaker 1: brought to the States. I mean we literally stole living
Speaker 1: in London between nine and so. Was anything like Iicny
Speaker 1: or any of those clubs in London when they on
Speaker 1: your radar, Not even a little bit. So none, none
Speaker 1: of like Jazzy bs and Nellie Know. I worked with
Speaker 1: jay z B and his camp for a year or so,
Speaker 1: maybe a little less than that, and it was just
Speaker 1: very much in the studio you do an R and
Speaker 1: B song, it will be great in the moment and
Speaker 1: it will only go so far, or it will be
Speaker 1: signed your life away here kid, and we'll o this
Speaker 1: because we gave you the studio time. And it's like,
Speaker 1: that's not how this works. I'm sure I went to
Speaker 1: school for that part, so nah, I'm good. And I
Speaker 1: was always on that, like I don't need this for
Speaker 1: the bread. I want to be creative, so I always
Speaker 1: kind of created and chucked the deuces when it just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was done for the right reasons.
Speaker 1: So nobody that was popping at the time in London
Speaker 1: was whoever gave me at Ali? Nah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was yet you know, it was big over there. I
Speaker 1: think he went to jail because he was driving without
Speaker 1: a license, and my mother that fear into me that
Speaker 1: if you drive without a license, you're going to be
Speaker 1: this guy. And I never did. I never believe that.
Speaker 1: I always felt because he did an interview like after
Speaker 1: you got out jail whatever, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the stories in belish
Speaker 1: like probably story over here because I remember being about
Speaker 1: a license and I think my money told me that
Speaker 1: I don't know, I remember we Devin knew it was jail,
Speaker 1: but I can't remember what. I probably just ripped the
Speaker 1: pillow offend license. I'm pretty sure if you google it,
Speaker 1: that was what it was. But wait, do you remember
Speaker 1: there was a there was a hip hop crew that
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, I love him to keep on.
Speaker 1: That was my joint right right, I'm grown, I'm grown too.
Speaker 1: We do you know that what's her name? Buffalo Start
Speaker 1: Nina Cherry put out a record. Yeah. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is an old times you don't know? Yeahs though, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is cute. I don't think you know what. No,
Speaker 1: but there was there was a there was an up
Speaker 1: and coming crew that obviously you know, they took their
Speaker 1: cue from Wood Tang. It was them on like steroids
Speaker 1: and they were part I mean it was like they
Speaker 1: were part drumming, bassed. They were part I saw the
Speaker 1: whole garage. Yeah, but I mean it was a that era.
Speaker 1: I actually got to Philadelphia when that really popped off
Speaker 1: and took off because I was more into the club scene,
Speaker 1: like going to party to it, not necessarily making it,
Speaker 1: so I kind of missed the whole wave of let's
Speaker 1: do a house and garage track, like when Craig David
Speaker 1: became the pop version of what was going on, because
Speaker 1: so much of that was going on in the UK,
Speaker 1: But then Craig David came in, smashed it and took
Speaker 1: it to a whole other level with that, but so
Speaker 1: solid with the authentic you know, they were London that word,
Speaker 1: you know, the thing with who's the DJ with oh
Speaker 1: by the White west Westwood. No, it's not for really,
Speaker 1: Tim is definitely the white from Flex. Yeah, that's that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good way to put it. I actually pretty much,
Speaker 1: well it'speaking. Have been too young to be in the club.
Speaker 1: I was too young to be at a biggie show
Speaker 1: in the UK, but me and my best friend K
Speaker 1: at the time, we definitely went yeah, so I'm glad
Speaker 1: I got to see a biggie life. So you were
Speaker 1: listening all those guys like to seven nine and all
Speaker 1: those jigs Choice FM. Yeah, yeah, Trevor nels Nelson still
Speaker 1: doing like a BBC benj B at that time? Was
Speaker 1: he was he doing it? Around the time he was
Speaker 1: he was like, well he was really Giles Peterson's apprentice.
Speaker 1: So when I first met Benjib like ninety seven. He
Speaker 1: was like, you know, doing answering phones and that sort
Speaker 1: of thing, like he really started coming up, like when
Speaker 1: we started coming up. Yeah, No, I was only asking
Speaker 1: because I always wanted to know if so solid was
Speaker 1: Remember that, Uh Westwood got shot? Which if you get
Speaker 1: shot in London, like Tim, what's what got shot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Remember that? I can't remember that. Yeah, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: you no, he I remember, I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean for guns to even be in
Speaker 1: London was like yeah, because someone was like Canada to me,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't happening. I just wanted to know how
Speaker 1: solid was that crew? It was so silent. No, it
Speaker 1: was UK Loves, but he kept the gangster. He never
Speaker 1: stitched on who shot him? So you know anyway in
Speaker 1: London Peterson to me, no, he I mean, but Flex
Speaker 1: was always on his show. If anything. I feel like
Speaker 1: Flex really nuanced his relationship with Tim Westwood to let
Speaker 1: the world know, like, hey, I'm worldwide, like yeah, every
Speaker 1: that's how no fund Master Flex like him coming to
Speaker 1: London American's m from Master I was living in London
Speaker 1: because you know that's that's how you know. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm not aw, I wasn't in New Yorker then.
Speaker 1: So I had this crazy manager back then, Danny Galeh
Speaker 1: his name was, and I was I was a kid
Speaker 1: at the time. He was trying to make me do
Speaker 1: the whole second and do all these demos. And I
Speaker 1: opened for boys to men and beeting man. Think about
Speaker 1: that bill who closed because I open, Well me me
Speaker 1: in like a INDIEDUS track suit. I have my short
Speaker 1: Halley bay Tony backs and yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a hot mess. But I just knew I was about
Speaker 1: to blow up the hippo drone, a place called the
Speaker 1: Hippodrone right on the corner, yeah, by the tube, literally
Speaker 1: right in the corner. And that's crazy. So that manager
Speaker 1: at the time um trying to get my parents to
Speaker 1: fire him because I was under age. Really it was like, bro,
Speaker 1: you're not taking me to this next level that I
Speaker 1: see for myself. And you've got to go and claim
Speaker 1: that I would never be ish ever in life. It's
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. You're trash, I wish deaf. Point you
Speaker 1: like how old I'm seventeen sixties, But you know what
Speaker 1: you can't like years later, in hindsight, I have to
Speaker 1: go you know what, whatever was going through your head,
Speaker 1: you had to have seen me as this crazy, huge
Speaker 1: star for you to even feel that I was taking
Speaker 1: that away from you. I'm sevente I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I don't know what I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1: You had to eat your head that I was really
Speaker 1: about to be something. So you had the fourth starter.
Speaker 1: He wasn't going to take you the place that you
Speaker 1: needed to do. There's one question I didn't ask your
Speaker 1: voice when was it fully developed? Still was developing. I
Speaker 1: don't really get it. But when I started the Martian
Speaker 1: Nuances was roughly around sixteen or seventeen, maybe younger than
Speaker 1: my mom will probably stay younger than that. Back fifteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: and that was really oh no, no, no, So you're
Speaker 1: saying you're sixteen when people started taking you seriously as
Speaker 1: a singer. No, when I started taking myself seriously sing
Speaker 1: oh okay, So I'm saying when I knew I was
Speaker 1: manstrovous when I started just sing this synth solo that
Speaker 1: you know, Teddy Riley would do in the middle of
Speaker 1: a guy record, So it was very much knew jack
Speaker 1: swing was like, oh my god, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: It was why am I trying to Stanley Brown? But
Speaker 1: I listened to weather Report my whole life, and I'm
Speaker 1: like straight widow. The best moment of my life. Side due,
Speaker 1: I was at the Blue Note. I don't know who
Speaker 1: I was drumming for, but Stanley Brown got up one stage.
Speaker 1: I'm losing the audience, don't know who Stanley Brown is.
Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind. James just like Stanley Brown, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I lost my money. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: my holy Stanley Brown. Stanley Brown was the church I'm
Speaker 1: miss as. I'm gonna be the one. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: the one. He would go on YouTube and watch the video,
Speaker 1: but I mean he he was also the go to
Speaker 1: keyboard guy. He would be the James Boys of the eighties.
Speaker 1: So during that R and B period of New York
Speaker 1: when Teddy Riley's really starting to get established, like mid eighties,
Speaker 1: you know, eighties six, you know, Stanley Brown is the
Speaker 1: guy that like was playing you know, Alison Williams, Range
Speaker 1: Youth Jones, and he, Stanley Stanley Brown was the man.
Speaker 1: He's doing church stuff now, but like I gotta get
Speaker 1: for him that that saxophone patch jam. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: like it it's so artificial sounding, but it's so vintage now,
Speaker 1: like the way that people felt like when Amy Wine
Speaker 1: amount like it was so old sounding. But like now
Speaker 1: that cheesy saxophony sound is to me, that's that's my
Speaker 1: like might be bad. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: him more like something I play on before I die.
Speaker 1: You might have to have royally produce a track. Look, well, wait, Marsha,
Speaker 1: you said you don't sing? What did you mean when
Speaker 1: you said that? You said you know it wasn't singing.
Speaker 1: I was like new Jack swing moving into what was then?
Speaker 1: You know you still have When a mirror asked you,
Speaker 1: you know how your voice is matured and brown, you
Speaker 1: were like, it's still You're still not done. You still
Speaker 1: don't sing to your fullest yet. No, m because it's
Speaker 1: more solent instrument. It's like what solo am I going
Speaker 1: to do today? I don't think like a singer. I
Speaker 1: think like what calls for the moment this. Real singers
Speaker 1: think as an instrument. Algaro definitely thought he was an instrument.
Speaker 1: Anita Baker says she's an instrument. Yeah, real singers are,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone else is struggling. You're not everybody else
Speaker 1: people slim pick. Yeah, Well, I enjoy making sounds. I do.
Speaker 1: I enjoy picking parts that make sense to me. And
Speaker 1: all of the the heavily New Jack swing era, It's
Speaker 1: a bad Boy era. It was oh my gosh, Faith Evans,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh once well and like singing along to
Speaker 1: the album every day Jodacy and all the inflections of
Speaker 1: those harmonies and having one almost be off key and
Speaker 1: if you pan them left and right, they're not doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. And that was okay. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that until I went in the studio. I was like, oh, Layer,
Speaker 1: this sounds amazing, and I don't know. I just like
Speaker 1: to create. I missed off key singing, like everything is
Speaker 1: two tuned. I think that one is failing to the
Speaker 1: point where, oh my gosh, I believe that you want
Speaker 1: to right right now. It's very you know, industry talk
Speaker 1: for hey, they got one is, oh, you have a
Speaker 1: song that sounds the same pitch, same tempo, and has
Speaker 1: a hook that possibly belongs to something else already. Probably
Speaker 1: the worst, the worst case example of that, to me
Speaker 1: is both the New Edition and Bobby Brown biopics. Like
Speaker 1: all the singing done on there the race. It's like,
Speaker 1: do you realize what Bobby Brown was really doing? Now?
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm glad this happens so you
Speaker 1: can reference what was really going on at that time
Speaker 1: where melodine and auto tune wasn't a choice for you.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going in the studio go and take that again. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll fix it. Ain't no fix it be again and yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's it. So it's a it's also an appreciation of,
Speaker 1: you know, what's actually been done. Well, you're the you're
Speaker 1: the first uh Black Loue graduate class of whatever h
Speaker 1: that I've had on the show. So I have to ask, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to describe to people how magical
Speaker 1: the five Spot was and when it was in its
Speaker 1: own where every week you would get prime Jack, where
Speaker 1: a right prime, Jill Scott, prime floetry, uh, Jasmin Sullivan
Speaker 1: waking up, you know, coming up to do yeah, like
Speaker 1: sleeping in the right exactly. Um, how much was was
Speaker 1: it ever a thing in your head like Okay, this
Speaker 1: is a movement or we gotta we gotta come with
Speaker 1: it because I know, at least what I know that
Speaker 1: with Jag and Jill. There was always mm hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, next week, I'm gonna have something and they
Speaker 1: would you know, you you got six days to think
Speaker 1: of how you the top what you saw? So I
Speaker 1: don't mean from competition sake, but was it just like, okay,
Speaker 1: what we got to do to well? I think the
Speaker 1: the initial first show was what defined what we were
Speaker 1: going to do every week because it was way in, Oh,
Speaker 1: we've got these two British chicks in town that they
Speaker 1: called themselves Flow with Tree. We felt all international. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, likes showed up. Also
Speaker 1: at the same time, yes, it was like, yo, we
Speaker 1: got to come to the States and suddenly I was like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it in French. It ain't work for them,
Speaker 1: Like it was different there. Yeah, I just I can't
Speaker 1: understand is going to Philly and being at the Black
Speaker 1: Lily and getting into that building and seeing Jill Scott
Speaker 1: and seeing music Soldier, seeing below, seeing the roots of
Speaker 1: the house band, Like that's overwhelming, but it's also okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in here and now I have to bring it.
Speaker 1: But that first show, it's waiting until two in the
Speaker 1: morning to do it, and it's who stays and that
Speaker 1: Sweatbox was just okay, we want to we don't want
Speaker 1: to miss anything because Jill might come up and do
Speaker 1: that one or Kindred they used to kill, So write
Speaker 1: rhythm of life and then we'll be all jumping up
Speaker 1: and down and out of breath. Then it will be
Speaker 1: a moment. But then it was okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: get on and it was paid We're flower Tree and
Speaker 1: there's fantasized that first time, and everyone was like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, next week, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do and straight planet. So if we do
Speaker 1: get an earlier slut, there's going to be more people there.
Speaker 1: The world has gone around town. There is these two girls.
Speaker 1: They do this thing fantasized. Yeah, we were on the
Speaker 1: Late show the A go to Sorry listen, right, but
Speaker 1: remember blue Funk Punk John Barber's show first, and at
Speaker 1: that time it was Jeff Bradshaw was doing like the
Speaker 1: band and stuff. I think Terry True. It might have
Speaker 1: been on base. Yeah, so it's uh, of course spoiled. Wait.
Speaker 1: I hated go for it. Go for it. I think
Speaker 1: I know where this is going, but go for it.
Speaker 1: Was it your tour bus yet. No no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no, there's
Speaker 1: two stories. Are you talking about the stolen one or
Speaker 1: are you talking about Canada. I'm talking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got back it up and back it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to hear the official story. Okay, Once
Speaker 1: upon a Time flows three. We're opening for Alicia Keys.
Speaker 1: What happens is when people are going into Canada and
Speaker 1: you don't have visas, nor you have issues to get
Speaker 1: across that border. You are left in Buffalo, New York.
Speaker 1: So these tour buses roundabout let's say load out was
Speaker 1: midnight the prior show. We get to Buffalo. However, long
Speaker 1: after that, drop everybody off that said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some issues at the border. So I'm
Speaker 1: a role I'm not coming through you guys, do the
Speaker 1: show and come right back. So granted, I'm asleep on
Speaker 1: this tour bus at the time, wake up at the
Speaker 1: border and we are asked to get off and present
Speaker 1: our passports to make sure everything is good. So we're
Speaker 1: now sitting curbside and we're waiting for our passports to
Speaker 1: be brought back to us. So there's the the inspector
Speaker 1: and a dog continuously going on and off of our
Speaker 1: tour bus. So I'm looking at each other because at
Speaker 1: the time, I wasn't smoking weed like that, especially on
Speaker 1: the bus. If we were, it was definitely on some
Speaker 1: dressing room ship. So I'm like, well, who, I was like, nah, no,
Speaker 1: no one's smoking on the bus. I was like, we
Speaker 1: have Paris at the time a little and like I
Speaker 1: was like, we were charged. We're good, We're good. Oh man.
Speaker 1: So then the inspector is getting continuously frustrated with all
Speaker 1: of us who claim that we have nothing tied. So
Speaker 1: now I'm getting scared. I'm like, well, what's about to
Speaker 1: go down? Because he looks really upset. Um Roughly around
Speaker 1: twenty minutes after this debacle, this inspector and two dogs,
Speaker 1: now with two other people are carrying off our drummer
Speaker 1: at the time who was on the bus, and they
Speaker 1: found him in you know the back cabinets that have
Speaker 1: mirrors and you can kind of crawl up. He was
Speaker 1: smoking a joint up there, and that's why he was smoking.
Speaker 1: At the border. I heard that, Okay, are you know
Speaker 1: because the Chinese whisper is this is what happened. We
Speaker 1: heard a family. Yes, okay, he's in the big family,
Speaker 1: and sometimes he takes you on an emotional roller coaster. Well,
Speaker 1: actually that could be a waiting A couple of secrets
Speaker 1: rolled around. Your account of this story is well just
Speaker 1: hiding in the that he somehow inserted himself inside of
Speaker 1: the back of the couch of the tour bus. Well,
Speaker 1: and if anyone knows, it's yeah, well it would have
Speaker 1: been four hours because we would have left Buffalo and
Speaker 1: you know, did a rest stop, right, and you know
Speaker 1: we were so by the time you get to the border,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. So now we're all detained
Speaker 1: and questioned did we know he was there? Were we
Speaker 1: trying to bring drugs into Canada? And like, why would
Speaker 1: we do that? Your weight is way better? Why would
Speaker 1: our own This is two thousand and one two at
Speaker 1: the time, two thousand threes. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was y'all. I thought it
Speaker 1: was maybe Jill. And then he goes in the bus business.
Speaker 1: I love it. We'll get to a bus. Yeah, then
Speaker 1: became a bus tight. First he was like, hey, can
Speaker 1: I drive out to a bus and was like nah.
Speaker 1: So there was a story. Never mind so Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: fast forwarding too. Yeah, so yeah, we were detained. It
Speaker 1: was bad and questioned and yeah, this was a shot
Speaker 1: in the dark. I s where the guy didn't even
Speaker 1: know y'all if we didn't do the show. And I
Speaker 1: was like, have you heard that story? I didn't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay toward stories. How easy is it when you're
Speaker 1: in a partnership. Now it's weird because with me and Took, like,
Speaker 1: I'm music, he's lyrics or whatever. But in the floorertry situation,
Speaker 1: how do you guys come who navigates? Who's fifty nine? Who? Well,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. It's like chicken or the egg.
Speaker 1: And I never claimed it even though I initiated. Look,
Speaker 1: I have this buddy of music and song that if
Speaker 1: you paired up some poetry to this fantasize, it will
Speaker 1: make sad flowetry. So even in the studio, it's um.
Speaker 1: She'd never been in the studio at the time, so
Speaker 1: it was early touches jazz. It was early Um, what's
Speaker 1: the back room at Larry's Access. It's doing bunches of
Speaker 1: demos with James and Victor and whoever else will come
Speaker 1: along and try and shape what was going through our heads.
Speaker 1: So me had always been musically inclined, had already been
Speaker 1: writing songs like I said, If I Was a Bird
Speaker 1: was written because it comply with me, my god like repeat.
Speaker 1: So all of these things that I'm showing up to
Speaker 1: these studios were like, yeah, I've got this song called Sunshine,
Speaker 1: I have this to have this, and we would go
Speaker 1: up and down. But a touch of jazz at that
Speaker 1: time had its own magic, so it was like fusing
Speaker 1: what we were so fresh and creating with other people's magic.
Speaker 1: So fresh off of Jill's first album, fresh off from
Speaker 1: Music's first album, So you have the way Long Walk,
Speaker 1: just friends in one day and I'm going, okay, a
Speaker 1: b room, ABC rooms, bouncing from room to room and
Speaker 1: doing phloetic the first day, do a headache after that,
Speaker 1: running to drain By and going okay, but I'll play
Speaker 1: those cards again, Oh yes and lay Yeah, that's all
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I'm sing this hook and then you
Speaker 1: come in and it will literally be that. So I'd
Speaker 1: never even controlled it's it was always fifty fifty to me,
Speaker 1: but everyone's like, as you were this whole song. She
Speaker 1: came in and did eight barb poem. I'm like, that
Speaker 1: part doesn't matter to me, you know. So as far
Speaker 1: as the magic of flowetry, it was more than just
Speaker 1: about us. When it came to a controlled studio environment.
Speaker 1: On stage, it's the same dynamic. I could stand stage
Speaker 1: left and close my eyes and sing for two hours, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was amazing. I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. I mean, I know that I know that
Speaker 1: someone's going to play an alpha role in I know
Speaker 1: that one should be diplomatic and into compromise and into relationship.
Speaker 1: It's almost it's like a marriage where how much power
Speaker 1: you have doesn't matter where, but some are are equal
Speaker 1: than others because there were other factors to this. So
Speaker 1: the people that were there, whether that is Drey and By,
Speaker 1: whether it is Carving Ivan or they're just going to
Speaker 1: be like Marsh, you were in the studio grinding, you
Speaker 1: were writing and playing this music every day, coming with
Speaker 1: these ideas, every day, coming with a concept. So if
Speaker 1: that chimed in with a title cool, it will take
Speaker 1: on a life home of its own. Does that mean
Speaker 1: our own seventy maybe? Okay, all right, No, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know how that's the dynamic, only because I'm
Speaker 1: the musical, melodic end of it. But what comes with
Speaker 1: that is because I always I always think it's it's
Speaker 1: hard as hell starting uh business with someone that you
Speaker 1: were friends with first. Oh, it's horrific. It's horrific, and
Speaker 1: there's so much you don't take into account. Um, thus
Speaker 1: it turning out the way it does for for for many,
Speaker 1: hopefully not for both. But for me it was the
Speaker 1: growing pains of oh, I have to live adult life,
Speaker 1: um dolo. Now I moved away from the UK, I've
Speaker 1: got to rely on my surroundings. And when people morph
Speaker 1: and change into unrecognizable people, both spiritually and all the above, it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like takes you back a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was. It was working with Touch of Jazz kind
Speaker 1: of like interesting in the sense that everybody in a
Speaker 1: Touch of Jazz is broken off into duos anyway, right, right,
Speaker 1: So then you get to kind of observe their dynamic too,
Speaker 1: Like you get to observe the dynamic of Drey and
Speaker 1: a Down and what each one brings Carmen and so,
Speaker 1: and they were also a unit. You're supposed to be
Speaker 1: a Touch of Jazz, the six of you, but you
Speaker 1: were twos anyway, So it was two splitting off into two.
Speaker 1: So if one vibe with just Vidal, it's just Vidal
Speaker 1: or just Ray or you know, it was whatever. But
Speaker 1: you can press play on that music of that era, UM,
Speaker 1: not only with flow a Tree, but with Jill's album,
Speaker 1: with Music's album, and hear what everyone was doing collectively,
Speaker 1: like it's it was Philly was on some ship girl,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't going to leave like I was sold
Speaker 1: on Philly. So where what was your reaction, UM, when
Speaker 1: you first got the news that Michael Jackson was interested
Speaker 1: in one of your songs. I didn't believe it. You
Speaker 1: want to believe it. The thing was Jeff. We all
Speaker 1: went to Jeff had that other room opposite the sea
Speaker 1: room and the office, and I guess we'd all missed
Speaker 1: a phone call from m J. They were referring to
Speaker 1: this guy as like, who's m J. First of all,
Speaker 1: not Michael Jackson. I'm not even putting that my head.
Speaker 1: So Jeff is like, YO, you have to come listen
Speaker 1: to this. You have to come listen to this. So
Speaker 1: I listened to the answering machine that is Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: requesting that he worked with whoever wrote this song. I'm
Speaker 1: in love with this song, Butterflies. It's my like, I
Speaker 1: really want this for for my new project, you know, paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: of course, but I didn't get it. How did he hear?
Speaker 1: John mcclan like, But he's like, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like a Viking, like like the ninth John mccle story.
Speaker 1: He's like a shadow but appears and creates magic and
Speaker 1: then disappears once again. So John McClean has a hold
Speaker 1: of this Flow two demo that gets us signed to
Speaker 1: DreamWorks and he hears say Yes and Butterflies and goes
Speaker 1: those two are the two that are going to catapult
Speaker 1: this thing into the stratos fit. Mike wants this one though,
Speaker 1: and Denzel Washington at one point had say Yes on
Speaker 1: repeat and was going to do something to it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, going to this fresh off of giving me
Speaker 1: bleak Gillan vibes, but he had that he had to
Speaker 1: say yes before anybody had to say yes. Denzel had
Speaker 1: he was a talk I don't care to my songs
Speaker 1: and say yes. Drey and myself did that. We wasn't
Speaker 1: even supposed to go to the studio. Jeff is like,
Speaker 1: I'm shutting the studio down. No one can go. Dre,
Speaker 1: you got the key, let's go, and then that happens
Speaker 1: and then be room in two minutes like sorry, might
Speaker 1: play them chords again? All right, let lets just go
Speaker 1: cut it and then there's that. But if songs are
Speaker 1: your kids, um, were you slow to give it up?
Speaker 1: Or was it just like Michael again, Michael can adopt
Speaker 1: my kids. Okay, Michael absolutely can take this because I
Speaker 1: guess when I when I wrote Butterflies, initially it was
Speaker 1: just piano based. I didn't add the you know, the
Speaker 1: Philly very dragged snake, you know, the behind the beat
Speaker 1: which you hey, I'm never never going to stay on
Speaker 1: this one. I'm gonna always be in Millie second behind,
Speaker 1: don't care. But when Dre added that flare to it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I have this. I don't know I
Speaker 1: had the bridge cause like I played on it, and
Speaker 1: then Drey does what he does to it, so it's
Speaker 1: it's now Philadelphia into me. It made me feel like
Speaker 1: everything that I lead up to get into Philadelphia. This
Speaker 1: is the demo that I wanted. So when Mike wants
Speaker 1: to do it, you give it to Mike. You do
Speaker 1: and I thought this entire time that Jeff is playing
Speaker 1: as this answering machine. I thought it was dre playing like.
Speaker 1: I was like, he played too much. I was like,
Speaker 1: you're lying. This is the best impression of Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my life. And you shouldn't play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to ask Jeff. Yeah, Jeff
Speaker 1: two three with him anyways. Yeah, you don't even get that, Prince. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first album, Yeah, yeah, Jeff is the Yeah. So
Speaker 1: so how long was it from you getting that message?
Speaker 1: What happened? Nothing? How how long was it from the
Speaker 1: phone call until when you're actually cutting his vocals? Well,
Speaker 1: he was recording with Rodney and yeah, from I guess
Speaker 1: that demo was done in September two thousand, so we
Speaker 1: worked March two thousand one when he was finishing the album.
Speaker 1: Like Teddy Riley's bus is parked outside the Hit Factory
Speaker 1: here and when I was here in New York and
Speaker 1: I get there and I'm telling Michael Jackson what to do.
Speaker 1: Bar for bar. The only he ever hit was at
Speaker 1: the outro, the outro ad libs on two outro ad
Speaker 1: lib tracks, And the first thing he did was Whisper Butterflies.
Speaker 1: He was so meticulous in wanting it to sound like
Speaker 1: the demo that he made me like, how do you
Speaker 1: do this? What was the harmony for this? Well? How
Speaker 1: did you make a sound like that? And I remember
Speaker 1: when I heard the when I heard the demo, I
Speaker 1: was shocked. I was like, he pretty much did it
Speaker 1: bad lib note for note, I can say I vocally
Speaker 1: produced Michael Jackson into What Quest Love. Dean's is one
Speaker 1: of his finest works of us. Worst nightmare. How one
Speaker 1: did that take? It was a week, not even like
Speaker 1: the most word. It's not a good job. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I do hate it, but that watching him so excited
Speaker 1: and doing every layered harmony, having me do my harmonies
Speaker 1: over again, having Matt Cappy, Jeff Bradshaw or do those
Speaker 1: horns again, It was just fun. It didn't feel like
Speaker 1: a week like we were with the kids. Paris and
Speaker 1: Prince were like gay high at the time, and we
Speaker 1: had Jezebel's Soul food every day. It was great. Bruce,
Speaker 1: we Dean was with you. Yeah, he's it's like Santa Claus.
Speaker 1: I warmed my heart and he kept calling me a
Speaker 1: sanging heifer. My kids Mike. Hear me. Mike kept saying,
Speaker 1: Michael saying, Michael, you know you're calling her a cow.
Speaker 1: Stop calling her a cow. It's a cow. Stop calling
Speaker 1: her Bruce. I'm like, you can call me anything here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was just Magic brusing and Mike in one studio.
Speaker 1: I know he's a perfectionist, but can you even be
Speaker 1: objectionable when you can you say that was flat? Or well?
Speaker 1: Once I got into the groove of things, and at
Speaker 1: that time, it was the talkback button and it was
Speaker 1: one time, my dragon, it's a little flat, a little
Speaker 1: shop any times straight, all right? Breathe into that one
Speaker 1: elong gave the note it was I was on it.
Speaker 1: Look at you like Michael Jackson. He asked me for
Speaker 1: permission to leave the studio one day or miss a
Speaker 1: day because he was being inducted into the Rock and
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame. Didn't tell me that's why he
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. It was like, Mars, I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know that I just can't come into
Speaker 1: the studio today. Is that okay? I know we have
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do. I was like, like,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want to do in life.
Speaker 1: You do not have permission for anything, and then he
Speaker 1: said he had this thing and then excuse me. So
Speaker 1: I'm staying at you know, the Hudson Hotel. So those
Speaker 1: rooms are like lug cabin, wooden walls, and because of
Speaker 1: the lead up on v H one, they're showing everything Mike,
Speaker 1: so they're showing you know, James Brown, impersonating Mike through
Speaker 1: and through to remember the time, through and through to
Speaker 1: to anything I'm looking at. I'm like, this is the
Speaker 1: same guy. I go to the studio every day with
Speaker 1: this guy and a at that time been in the
Speaker 1: studio with him every day for five days. And I
Speaker 1: the tears that I cried, like, there's no tears of
Speaker 1: joy that I can express that I haven't cried like that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what tie of a cry that was.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'm not worthy. This makes me
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, this makes me Paul McCartney. There's only a
Speaker 1: handful of people that can say they've done that, they've
Speaker 1: done something. But that though, and I always said I
Speaker 1: wanted to be Clincy Jones and not shade to the
Speaker 1: R word. Were you allowed to do it alone or
Speaker 1: were people over your shoulder as well? No? We were
Speaker 1: DOLO was me, Dre and Chris. Yeah, I'm oh girl,
Speaker 1: got the picture of him? Why I can't see them
Speaker 1: my Carmember, the two other engineers, but they were really
Speaker 1: Bruce this his right hand, but no, it was straight
Speaker 1: us um, nobody there in a man spleen or or
Speaker 1: there was nothing. How long did you talk to him afterwards?
Speaker 1: Like how does that relationship dissipate? Like it was cool,
Speaker 1: she was cool. So we were in New York for
Speaker 1: two weeks and then we mixed in l A. I
Speaker 1: spent you know, a couple of days on that that
Speaker 1: he listens to everything way too loud. I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 1: Like you see speakers vibrating, imagine your eyeballs doing that.
Speaker 1: That's how loud it was him and Dr Dre the
Speaker 1: loudest like I've ever experienced in my life with Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson and Dr Dre. And that's just like love, there's
Speaker 1: a lot coming on. So I got I had a
Speaker 1: moment because you want to be having a moment, but
Speaker 1: you where you just step aside for a second and
Speaker 1: understand what you're doing and be present in the moment, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate being sentimental. I know even you're
Speaker 1: gonna break me on, it's gonna break me down his
Speaker 1: own show in those earrings. That was where I can
Speaker 1: be sensitive in the moment because I'm a parent now. No, seriously,
Speaker 1: it's emotional, is highly emotional, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: that's awesome I think for him. I mean, of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish he was still here making music. But if
Speaker 1: that has to be his swan song of a single,
Speaker 1: I mean that's his last living single, then that's that's
Speaker 1: a way to go out for me. Yeah, not just
Speaker 1: not the justin John he was. I like that song,
Speaker 1: but he did that and not the Drake one either
Speaker 1: does whatever? Okay, yeah, that's possimous, Like Butterflies is his
Speaker 1: last released single as he's living on his last album.
Speaker 1: What did the a con Joints come out? But that
Speaker 1: was want to be starting something the whole in my hand?
Speaker 1: Yeahs official. Yeah, I'm not trying to take anything away
Speaker 1: from you. You know what, between Mike and Prince, that
Speaker 1: was the most unrealistic, Like Death's as far as celebrities
Speaker 1: that I just never saw life without them were in
Speaker 1: Atlanta or no, you weren't there. I wasn't there, so
Speaker 1: you called me. I was in Atlanta to do a
Speaker 1: Prince party and it ended up turning to a Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson party. Really crazy because he no, because Michael was there,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yeah, yeah, Mike die he he was there, nice, safe, wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, the whole deeper, deeper, Jesus, that's what okay?
Speaker 1: So what were your what were the moves uh that
Speaker 1: prompted you to finally come with your you're you're solo
Speaker 1: phase of your career? Too many things? Is this something
Speaker 1: that you can step away from and maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: back together in three years or oh no, it was
Speaker 1: split dead done so when we did so when we
Speaker 1: did the show, because we did a show together, like
Speaker 1: was that just the show? And then that was it?
Speaker 1: That was crazy. But the reuniting of what was dead
Speaker 1: end of oh six. So Flowtry really only existed from
Speaker 1: one twill two thousand six, officially and making our mark
Speaker 1: clearly in Philadelphias where it catapulted, but by ways of
Speaker 1: Atlanta of course, you hang Young Cafe Black, Lily get
Speaker 1: signed where with Mike in two thousand one, Flowettic comes
Speaker 1: in two thousand two. We tour four years, but then
Speaker 1: we did two albums, well technically three because we did
Speaker 1: the live album Flowsism in two thousand three. Then flow
Speaker 1: Oology comes two thousand five, two thousand six, it was dead,
Speaker 1: so then what was the Amanda are you gonna? I'm ready?
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That happened by ways of management,
Speaker 1: So I'm still signed that Geffen UM DreamWorks UM dissolved
Speaker 1: and that turns into okay, we'll keep these three artists
Speaker 1: from that label and turn you over to Geffen into Scope,
Speaker 1: one of which was Flowistree. So when now we're into
Speaker 1: Scope UM, I have the relationship that I have with
Speaker 1: warm Fair and Jimmy Ivan, and they're very much into Okay,
Speaker 1: flow Eology is this album. Superstar is the single what's next?
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, we'll make go into our make
Speaker 1: another album cool First forward two UM management UM on
Speaker 1: R and j Irvan, who was choose manager UM that
Speaker 1: entire time. Uh Nat doesn't want him to manage her anymore.
Speaker 1: She's now got this boyfriend at the time managing her
Speaker 1: who poses. So it's kind of like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you know where, So we're talking about being young
Speaker 1: women that have come up in this industry. You think
Speaker 1: it's going to be one way. People have their own agendas,
Speaker 1: and he was clearly steering her in the wrong way.
Speaker 1: So once he gave an ultimatum with Geffen that if
Speaker 1: they don't offer um Her a solo deal, they're walking, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I've been and run fair say okay, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: kind of what I mean. It was no one was
Speaker 1: there was There was no room to call any bluffs here,
Speaker 1: like you didn't have a leg to stand on going
Speaker 1: in there for that what that was we're talking about
Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani here. This is nothing that they were checking for.
Speaker 1: There were ways to go about whatever is that you wanted,
Speaker 1: and it was just done the absolutely wrong way. So
Speaker 1: once management was one sided for Flowetry, it was okay walk.
Speaker 1: Now we're no longer. Now we're missing a member. I'm
Speaker 1: still signed and obligated. Well, what I thought at the
Speaker 1: time was obligated to fulfill this contract in order to
Speaker 1: get out of it. So I'm stuck with Geffen and
Speaker 1: they want to do at all. So the idea was
Speaker 1: get standing. So management says, well, a friend of a
Speaker 1: management thanks, Ryan says, I know this chick Amanda, um
Speaker 1: what was a manada at the time a Manda sales
Speaker 1: and we meet hit it off immediately. I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: this is what it's about to be. But the layers
Speaker 1: to that is you don't have a level of understanding
Speaker 1: of what you what effect you have on people until
Speaker 1: you're presented with that. So when you're on tour and
Speaker 1: you're standing there with what was people's flowetry, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: who's this? I can't help what people do to that.
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of negativity from fans at first.
Speaker 1: That turned into Amanda turning on me it's your fault.
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, do you know what happened in order
Speaker 1: for you to stand there right now? I know your
Speaker 1: tears are warranted on your end, but you don't have
Speaker 1: a flowerty tear to drop right now. You don't understand
Speaker 1: what I've been through to do this. So it's like
Speaker 1: I kind of want to I wanted to pull out hair.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to fight. It was. It was bad, but
Speaker 1: it was bad for for several reasons, and that was
Speaker 1: just that one summer tour. Oh no, no, no no, Well,
Speaker 1: because me and Amanda were called we recorded a bunch
Speaker 1: of songs like just wanted to hear Floorertry songs too,
Speaker 1: so it was like exactly. So the tour was very
Speaker 1: much Flowertry Songs embellished a little bit. And then that
Speaker 1: was that. So that was two thousand seven Flowertry Remixed
Speaker 1: Tour and after that was deaded Um. I had to
Speaker 1: get legal to step in to make sure that my
Speaker 1: paperwork was straight and I wasn't obligated to geffen r
Speaker 1: in the sculpe anymore on that end, And once that
Speaker 1: was cool, I was done. And then um, good old
Speaker 1: Peter Edge. That was then A and r J Records
Speaker 1: and a fellow brit I felt like the right move
Speaker 1: and I was welcomed with open arms. And there's late
Speaker 1: nights and early mornings. Wow, so the very strong hope
Speaker 1: she cheats on you with the basketball player? Oh about that? UM?
Speaker 1: I used streamed um one late night and I freestyled
Speaker 1: that I was playing the chords and we were joking
Speaker 1: about something and I was like, Yo, you should record it.
Speaker 1: So I did. Came to New York and can I
Speaker 1: by ways of just blaze UM did that record together
Speaker 1: and before I knew it was on the radio, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that was going to what you think
Speaker 1: about all those theories about what the song was about,
Speaker 1: because you know, the blogs were talking. There were theories
Speaker 1: about I hope she teached you on you with a
Speaker 1: basketball play. Yeah, there was a theory that it was
Speaker 1: about Shoot, now I'm going to put people's how do
Speaker 1: you do this? How do the quest? There was a
Speaker 1: theory that it was about an artist that you knew
Speaker 1: that you were affiliated, who had cheated with your a
Speaker 1: friend of your These are two males and they were friends,
Speaker 1: and they were working with each other and once slept
Speaker 1: with the others women. That's facts. And then they had
Speaker 1: to fight at your at your jam party. Oh it
Speaker 1: was a whole thing. Oh so much smoke signal right,
Speaker 1: I need I'm lost because I know you know you
Speaker 1: were on the stage and you get the look because
Speaker 1: that was the year you wanted to infuse. I think
Speaker 1: I did like a joy to see feening Mary J
Speaker 1: blis right or something like. I didn't really lies that
Speaker 1: that was inspired from that what was going on that
Speaker 1: was the stage. It was scary. It was scary. It
Speaker 1: was It was scary because you know your boy from Baltimore,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and your other boy he's
Speaker 1: not known the fight. So I was like, please don't
Speaker 1: kill him because and he was just a friend. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was just a friend. But don't you say a name.
Speaker 1: You said, I was just yes, Mario who fount stories,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh, mysh, what happened with such? And
Speaker 1: it's just it's not only just me that was there.
Speaker 1: Ever was like, oh that didn't happen. You're lying. No,
Speaker 1: we were all. Then all saw it, so you can
Speaker 1: google it, just look at Mario. But that's exactly what really.
Speaker 1: It was on YouTube, it was on a block. It
Speaker 1: was news. I didn't know that. Okay, yeah, about to
Speaker 1: read it. Let me see Christmas time and this is
Speaker 1: what happens I call people anytime I'm doing an interview.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I run my mouth like,
Speaker 1: this is this is all of It's not about you.
Speaker 1: This is never shade. This is just facts. So if
Speaker 1: you want to heal, you can't heal what you don't feel.
Speaker 1: Don't don't enable. You cannot heal if you don't don't reveal,
Speaker 1: So then don't heal. Just don't reveal key Lloyd's. My
Speaker 1: mother almost tortured me with pictures of key Lloyds, saying
Speaker 1: that I would never get my ears. Piste in fear
Speaker 1: that that was going to happen to me. I got
Speaker 1: some from the chicken pox. That's say, it's not right.
Speaker 1: It's really where this conversation, I don't know, he blurs out,
Speaker 1: Key Lloyd, is what happened when you healed too much?
Speaker 1: So don't gossip about other people's business. I'm sorry. Nights
Speaker 1: early mornings. Yeah, so that's how Late Nights and Chasing
Speaker 1: Clouds is like Science from slimp. Michigan produced that record,
Speaker 1: and I remember hearing Science and all of his production
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want that. It was so
Speaker 1: cinematic and it makes me cry. I can't even perform
Speaker 1: that song. It's just so like never ending story on
Speaker 1: top of foul call. I remember I wish I remember
Speaker 1: before before the album came out, we were doing the show.
Speaker 1: It was for an exchange and we were doing a
Speaker 1: show in maybe it was Baltimore, but anyway, we were
Speaker 1: doing the show and we were all hanging out the
Speaker 1: hotel and you were playing me early stuff from late Night,
Speaker 1: like before it came out. You had all these jams
Speaker 1: on your laptop and you had a jam called first Position.
Speaker 1: This is how Petty marsh she is, and I love it.
Speaker 1: She has a jam like she would be playing her
Speaker 1: I think you're saying that you're playing your cousin like
Speaker 1: like like brand PlayStation. So and so she beat the
Speaker 1: nigger and she recorded the jam called first Position, so
Speaker 1: she be j It's like it's like it's like if
Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury with like a Phil Collins drum intro came
Speaker 1: and just did like bohemian ratsody, straight very loud harmony
Speaker 1: in flash Gordon just got to marry Dale or something.
Speaker 1: It's just like a short little snippet. You'll play with it,
Speaker 1: like my favorite so putting out there. I don't know
Speaker 1: what video game it could be synonymous with, but first
Speaker 1: Position is you'll make you feel like it this place.
Speaker 1: I love that. I never forgot that. That is incredible.
Speaker 1: But wait, also Far Away was on the oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's late nights other mornings to that video. Yeah shot
Speaker 1: and where was that across the Edgewoods, New Jersey? Yeah
Speaker 1: I was when you did that video. It was dope
Speaker 1: for a community. Just curious. How did you look up
Speaker 1: a Sterling Sterling Sims for that record? You know what?
Speaker 1: I'd known Sterling through Ivan Bias who introduced when he
Speaker 1: was doing Yeah, I never knew because Ambrosius, but I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know that sounds sounds right to me.
Speaker 1: Wait you're Ambrosius as wait wait wait now I'm getting
Speaker 1: it was five seconds old when I just learned, what
Speaker 1: so you've been saying ambrocious? Yeah, that's a merit. Well
Speaker 1: this lady in the movie called me am Burrows, um
Speaker 1: again Amber, and I was just like, I've been saying
Speaker 1: it right for ten years, thinking I've been saying it wrong.
Speaker 1: He actually startling was in um, what was Mike MacArthur
Speaker 1: in them studio? Home cooking, Home cooking. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a home cooking upstairs and they had that basketball court
Speaker 1: in there, and I was like, a fairly kids could
Speaker 1: work with him. Then when I went to Atlanta, we
Speaker 1: were working together and then we just ended up doing
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of sessions. And we're in l A
Speaker 1: at the time, and I was like farwall in l A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was like far away, I have a hook,
Speaker 1: I have a verse one. I was like, hit this
Speaker 1: verse two, hit verse two, and far away? How did
Speaker 1: you you covered? Uh? Well, I knew of Lauren's version
Speaker 1: lose myself? How did? How did that? So? I love
Speaker 1: the song and I remember paid to Regging myself had
Speaker 1: the conversation. It was like, I need you to tear
Speaker 1: you this song and I was like, I know it.
Speaker 1: I said, you're talking about Lauren Hill Happy, but I said,
Speaker 1: you're listening to this lyrically. He was like, yo, if
Speaker 1: you slow this down kind of slowly, I don't do
Speaker 1: an uptember version of it. I was like yeah. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'd love Lauren to do that, So no,
Speaker 1: you do that and I was like okay. And then
Speaker 1: I went through a bunch of production ideas and because
Speaker 1: can I and I had, you know, build a rapport
Speaker 1: at that time, UM doing hope she cheats and you
Speaker 1: know other things. It was okay, let's do let's do
Speaker 1: this ended up to lose myself. So how did you
Speaker 1: develop your relationship with Dr Dre? So I feel like
Speaker 1: I've heard the story from a comrade of ours shout
Speaker 1: out to Sharegy. He was just like, yo, man. Dr
Speaker 1: Dre is like obsessed with Marshall. That's his favorite singer
Speaker 1: of all time. Like, so, how did how did? How did?
Speaker 1: It's crazy because of other people that have worked with him.
Speaker 1: It was like, I might be the only artist period
Speaker 1: that can go in there and do what I want,
Speaker 1: like Dre, this is good. He's like, okay, now I've
Speaker 1: heard that. I've heard it from other people, so he'll
Speaker 1: make everybody do something like a million times. But marshas like,
Speaker 1: like it's good. It's like, just add more backgrounds in there.
Speaker 1: A couple of others like cool. So he came to
Speaker 1: a flowetry show. You came to the Rouxy in l
Speaker 1: A on Sunset, small little Dingy Roxy and we were
Speaker 1: doing a double gig. Oh, this was a wild night.
Speaker 1: So it's Dr Dre, Swizz Beats, A couple of other
Speaker 1: people came to the first half and Prince comes to
Speaker 1: the second show. So it's just a wild night. But
Speaker 1: we get back on the tour bus and I get
Speaker 1: um J J. Irving says, you know, you've got a
Speaker 1: phone call and it's Dre's people saying they want me
Speaker 1: to come through to the studio. So this is like
Speaker 1: oh earlier six, So I'm like, you know what, sure,
Speaker 1: So go over there and I cut a record called
Speaker 1: Mama's House, like one take. He played me this beach
Speaker 1: and Mark Batson, Yeah, Mark Batson and him did this
Speaker 1: track and I was like, what is this? Put me
Speaker 1: in the booth because I felt like I had something
Speaker 1: to pray. It's Drey. I was like, I'm not about
Speaker 1: to funk this up. Put me in the booth, and
Speaker 1: he was like, you got something already to this. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So so then after that, after that demo, we were
Speaker 1: just cool. And then um clearly did the stuff with
Speaker 1: the game with Bus and then it turns into do
Speaker 1: a project over there. I'm like yeah, But from that
Speaker 1: I built the relationships that I have with you know,
Speaker 1: his other team of producers, one of which Focus. But
Speaker 1: and that's how we got how many people in Jay's
Speaker 1: Dre's click Like, um no, not really. He's very contained
Speaker 1: and it will be like, Okay, I'm banging with this
Speaker 1: sonically and stay there. So it's really two or three
Speaker 1: people that will stay in rotation at one time. But
Speaker 1: Focus has been and still is and will remain to
Speaker 1: be the most um um consistent. Yeah, Focuses. That was
Speaker 1: how I really because I knew you a course, like
Speaker 1: from floor dry and stuff. But like when you and
Speaker 1: Focus started workingether, me and him was doing stuff at
Speaker 1: the time, and he was playing me stuff it was
Speaker 1: the first mixtape y'all did, truly yours Truly we have
Speaker 1: a ten year anniversary come out. That's ten years ago.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, but yeah, what the fun? So I still
Speaker 1: bumped that mixtape, still bump Sunshine? Oh yeah, damn we
Speaker 1: didn't do something. I forgot about that record. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: did a little brother in Marsha record called Sunshine that
Speaker 1: was ten years ago and still bangs like yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's how that happened. And who was the conceptualizer of
Speaker 1: friends and Lovers? Because I do all of my albums,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite. That's the one for me. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: popping Oak well pop Oak Flip produced that. We did
Speaker 1: that at Sick Mass Sounds in Philly. Well, what was
Speaker 1: Sick Mas Sounds? That's so sad um and the music
Speaker 1: just got me. The building thing, it's gone, The building
Speaker 1: is gone. Twelfen, what's that telphing race? So you and
Speaker 1: I was, I don't know. The music just sounded sad.
Speaker 1: It sounded very throwback. I pictured the Jackson five singing
Speaker 1: the hook and then this chick on a train like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go tell him my loving but I know
Speaker 1: he's about to get married. But I'm just had to
Speaker 1: tell him to get off of my chest repercussions and repercussions,
Speaker 1: and I did. Conceptually that was the story that I
Speaker 1: wanted to half for that. But I love that song.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's this it's the real story of y'all
Speaker 1: two getting together, as as interesting as all these songs
Speaker 1: that our stories. We're talking song is it? I'm like,
Speaker 1: what song? Well? I thought he was sorry, sorry, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to go through songs because you have
Speaker 1: to know how to get there. So yeah, it took
Speaker 1: other songs on the album You're going for it? What
Speaker 1: else is on that run? Will spend all my time?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? What now? My aunt had passed away
Speaker 1: from cancer, and I remember my cousin's hitting me like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's good, she's doing good. She's in remission. Oh it
Speaker 1: came back, but it's not that bad. And over a
Speaker 1: two month three month period, it went from being okay
Speaker 1: to really not being okay, like in the blink of
Speaker 1: what I have felt like, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, you can't get time back. Everyone's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to spend all my time with you. So
Speaker 1: it was never about there's no money for this. I
Speaker 1: don't have the budget they would take to heal you
Speaker 1: from cancer. You haven't, and there's nothing we could do.
Speaker 1: Whether I had a trillion dollars or a buck in
Speaker 1: the account, there was nothing I could do. So it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I just want to spend all
Speaker 1: my time with you. I think Wilson was your yeah,
Speaker 1: only choice. It was original, just just me on the track.
Speaker 1: I was like, if I had someone has to be
Speaker 1: uncle Charlie. You ever watching warm up his voice before
Speaker 1: you mad? Have you ever seen him do this in person?
Speaker 1: Do it? He did a little bit. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: that's maintenance. Like he plays no games, Like he sounds
Speaker 1: like records on records on records. And he said he
Speaker 1: don't sing in the session unless it at least seventy
Speaker 1: two degrees something. We don't sing you no air condition
Speaker 1: and Charlie Wilson session everything I can get the childie minute.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I spent all my time there. They're the
Speaker 1: emotional songs. So what are we getting at here? Where's this?
Speaker 1: It was a mirror point. Take care. You want to
Speaker 1: do a freaky one? Yeah, Wen do a freaky one.
Speaker 1: So what is the story. What's the story with you
Speaker 1: and your husband and then we can kind of feel
Speaker 1: in Yeah, I think we all know Marshall like sex
Speaker 1: like it's cool. No, I had a wild dream that
Speaker 1: I was a stripper within that week that I was
Speaker 1: recording with the interns so Too and Coos at the
Speaker 1: time on this very much um sexual wave and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I have something for that.
Speaker 1: I don't think people expect it from me. So it
Speaker 1: was six nine, but it was really like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like in Vanity six or Appolloni six did
Speaker 1: a song in what was that? I think it would
Speaker 1: have been like six. It was just like cute. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was cute. It was very light work,
Speaker 1: it was very cute. It was it was nice kissing funk.
Speaker 1: It was amazing that I didn't want it to be interluded.
Speaker 1: Was at an entire song and then they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's too acoustic guitarish because it's an acoustic guitar and vocalist.
Speaker 1: Why does it have to do anything else other than
Speaker 1: But I was like, you know what, I'll make it
Speaker 1: hookuniverse and yeah, that was cute. So talk about the
Speaker 1: transition because I know that this album was released on
Speaker 1: Uh is it this your own label or yeah, so
Speaker 1: have our own situation human resources jeving our label and
Speaker 1: we partnered with a one for Nyla. So transitioning from
Speaker 1: what we're as friends and lovers on a well, I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be Jay Records, and then that dissolves
Speaker 1: and it becomes us gay and then half the industry
Speaker 1: assigned to that label when it's I don't I can't
Speaker 1: do handstone wheels anymore. And I remember Prince just being like, yo,
Speaker 1: when we just go independent, I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm scared go independent going and so thank you parents.
Speaker 1: Then once I was cleared, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Now I can just create. Now I don't have to
Speaker 1: I want to. And that spawned the idea for Neil
Speaker 1: because friends and Lovers I was in a before I
Speaker 1: met you, babe, Friends of lovers was tough because I
Speaker 1: had to admit that nothing was good for me, nothing,
Speaker 1: whether that was the relationship I was in, the things
Speaker 1: that I was holding onto. This industry that's full of
Speaker 1: um yes men and women and full of um open
Speaker 1: bars and anything that's a ailable to you, you can
Speaker 1: have it. And if you just say yes to everything
Speaker 1: like who who are you really? So I was struggling. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was definitely struggling a little bit. And then I
Speaker 1: had to center myself and go, you know what, what
Speaker 1: do I really want? I just want to be happy.
Speaker 1: The one I've decided on my own happiness is when
Speaker 1: everything fell into place, more importantly forgiveness and um. The
Speaker 1: whole flowetry situation was something that was deaded at such
Speaker 1: a stop in two thousand and six. It weighed heavy
Speaker 1: on me throughout um that entire time between oh six
Speaker 1: and twenty fourteen. So rolls around and I say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna forgive. So reached out to Nat, said,
Speaker 1: look what's up. It would be good for the fans.
Speaker 1: Let's just reconnect. And that was my way of getting
Speaker 1: that way off my back. And once we did that
Speaker 1: first tour, this when we did the show um my
Speaker 1: husband here, it was a part of the tour and
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I just kept seeing this very consistent,
Speaker 1: fine chocolate face and body, and I was like, who
Speaker 1: is out? Let's get any no, keep that going? Sorry,
Speaker 1: s um he's fine fine, like Ralph Angel, queen sugar fine,
Speaker 1: who is that? But can he talk? Louder than Ralph Angel.
Speaker 1: It's very very watch everything suits. You know, what did
Speaker 1: I say the other day? He's like, you know, Christian
Speaker 1: Bell does his Batman voice. Yes, that's just stop though,
Speaker 1: but I think it's good for that current Ralph Angels
Speaker 1: that cry anyway, Desmond, Yeah, back to dead, let's go.
Speaker 1: He was wearing this red fit and now was backstage
Speaker 1: and I was like, who is this? It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: my road management was like I told you, I'm bringing
Speaker 1: someone else on the tour, you know you and I
Speaker 1: was traveling separately, like he's gonna cover that side of things.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cover you. I was like, oh, so he's
Speaker 1: on the tour, so I'm a seeing Mary datum okay, um,
Speaker 1: so that's what right about this last week of June apparently,
Speaker 1: So apparently we met in an elevator in Cleveland, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and I didn't say hello or I kind of gave
Speaker 1: him the brush of the whole tour and didn't oh no, no,
Speaker 1: wait wait wait So June it was because it was
Speaker 1: Game six, Okay. I was going to Game six Cabs
Speaker 1: versus Worries. That was on my mind. I wasn't king no, no, no,
Speaker 1: nom so I am still having issues with the whole
Speaker 1: flow of treo situation. I was like, wow, nothing will
Speaker 1: ever change, but you know what this is for me.
Speaker 1: This isn't about nothing else but for me. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go through with it. Watch game six Calves lose Warriors.
Speaker 1: When Andrea Goodalaghat SENTI paced very bizarre, um, fast forward
Speaker 1: to that last week and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, what's up? So I approached, Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at the risks still there? So so um, I
Speaker 1: initiated the conversation and it was very much you know,
Speaker 1: guess on no answers, and I'm like, okay, we get
Speaker 1: to Norfolk, Virginia. Though I Virginia is for loving anything
Speaker 1: ever happened. I love you because at the NorVa, the
Speaker 1: actual venue, they have a basketball court upstairs and aspaczy
Speaker 1: and great upright piano in the dust room, but more
Speaker 1: importantly a basketball courts and I saw him taking a
Speaker 1: couple of shots and I was like, oh, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So that night, um, everything in Norfolk was closed. Why
Speaker 1: is everything closed? Eleven or something crazy? So I wanted
Speaker 1: to grab a bite to eat. I text him said, Yo,
Speaker 1: you wanted to be down in the lobby after the show.
Speaker 1: Did you beat him the game? No, we didn't play.
Speaker 1: I'd up there and all of my show outfit and
Speaker 1: high heels. Was like oh, so he checked the form
Speaker 1: and stuff and then rolled and then I texted him
Speaker 1: and said, you know you want to go grab something
Speaker 1: to eat. Everything's closed, mind you. So we walk from
Speaker 1: what is downtown because that more right there. Next we
Speaker 1: ended up at the cookout to cook out good milkshake
Speaker 1: cook out. It was it was like a three hour,
Speaker 1: four hour walk, but it was corny too. We ran
Speaker 1: through sprinklers. It was very very wrong. Calm made for TV.
Speaker 1: Lifetime could have got a Netflix still would have been
Speaker 1: like a you know, a limited series and HBO. Hope
Speaker 1: he went X rated. So that night I remember calling
Speaker 1: my mother. He walked me back to my room. We
Speaker 1: got the burgers and talked about love life, god, everything believes, dreams, aspirations,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Mom, I've met the one. He's
Speaker 1: the one I'm telling you. She was like, what happened?
Speaker 1: I was like, we kissed. She was like a nim one.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. I was like, where do
Speaker 1: you who do you think I am waiting for this elaborate,
Speaker 1: dirty story. I was like, this is the date, that's
Speaker 1: like the first date, so technically, and then by the
Speaker 1: time we go to Philly a week later, we were
Speaker 1: doing it. Wow, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, it's tis the
Speaker 1: most wonderful time of it was, yeah, well we can.
Speaker 1: We get to Philly and we're doing it. And I
Speaker 1: guess at that point the whole tour, you know, every
Speaker 1: musician and members, you have to understand that he's literally
Speaker 1: sitting like the story he lived is the most wonderful
Speaker 1: time of the year. I can any of this platform
Speaker 1: to talk about microphone quarzine. I don't wanna, you know,
Speaker 1: infrared beam at my Well. We finished that tour on
Speaker 1: my birthday actually, and August eight we were in Maryland
Speaker 1: the Thing, or might even Baltimore to do that show
Speaker 1: and find out that, you know, we both live in
Speaker 1: l A. So let me get back to l A.
Speaker 1: You know, let's not make this just a to make
Speaker 1: this a thing thing. So my dad was in town.
Speaker 1: I flew my dad out, um and my sister and
Speaker 1: my um my stepmother, and they're staying at my place
Speaker 1: in l A. And I was like, Dad, I have
Speaker 1: someone I want you to meet already, but it just
Speaker 1: happened that my dad was staying in l A for
Speaker 1: that couple of days. I was like, you know, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. I'm a fall in love and what's
Speaker 1: gonna be weird is if I come home for Christmas.
Speaker 1: You know, from August eight through to December, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to come home in December with someone.
Speaker 1: You guys, what's this guy? Are wanting to meet him now?
Speaker 1: Because I just know so, Daddy, But that's weird and weird.
Speaker 1: He wasn't weird because I met his mother day one
Speaker 1: because we were picking her up and his other auntie
Speaker 1: from a concert. Remember what concert that was? Like the Jays.
Speaker 1: We walk around the house and just just periodically like
Speaker 1: blurting out, you have to anybody's auntie. So yeah, shout
Speaker 1: outs to Keim and yeah. We moved in about September fifteen,
Speaker 1: and I went home for Christmas. We went back to
Speaker 1: the UK for like a month because we did um
Speaker 1: a floaty show out there, and then he met my
Speaker 1: entire family, like straight Liverpool strong Scouts accents, like it
Speaker 1: was this Marsha we've never crossed ever, you moved to
Speaker 1: America eighteen years ago and we haven't seen one fellow.
Speaker 1: Who's this ever I'm still I put on an accent
Speaker 1: just to make you give us a proper version, but
Speaker 1: this is this is like a hybrid I've lived in.
Speaker 1: I hate mama anyway, you hate mama. I hate football,
Speaker 1: and well I'm from Liverpool, so Liverpool LEFC, come on
Speaker 1: you Reds can't be Everton. It's not gonna happen. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm gonna hate everything. Okay, not really, because
Speaker 1: I do mince pies at Christmas. I love that. I
Speaker 1: love a good old custard with a nice sponge cake.
Speaker 1: I love tea and biscuits. Bang bang as a mash.
Speaker 1: I love Shepherd's pie, bang bang. We have nothing else?
Speaker 1: Can we get what we So? Yeah? And then well
Speaker 1: fast forward to after that Christmas, we get back April.
Speaker 1: We're about to go on the second reuniting a flowtry
Speaker 1: because popular demand wants us to go on tour again.
Speaker 1: Those guarantees came in. I looked at them and said
Speaker 1: that we can do this within the year. What about
Speaker 1: house Baby, Let's go went back out on tour because
Speaker 1: it's our job. In our career and against everything I
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah, so we did Flowertry Again six, which
Speaker 1: would be the last. But one week into that tour
Speaker 1: we find out we're pregnant. So if you've played at
Speaker 1: Yoshi's before, do two shows a night. We did two
Speaker 1: shows a night at Yoshi's four days back to back
Speaker 1: to start the tour. So the first date was in
Speaker 1: Sacramento and we were on a flight on the way
Speaker 1: there and there's my husband collapsed on this flight, like
Speaker 1: we had an early Black Girl's work was in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: We taped that got on an early flight to get
Speaker 1: to the first flow to show I hadn't really eaten.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. We just didn't eat.
Speaker 1: But he collapsed on this plane that they were about
Speaker 1: to land. It in the middle of nowhere, and um,
Speaker 1: I guess there was a nurse on the flight that
Speaker 1: assisted kind of made sure everything was okay. They took
Speaker 1: his blood pressure and when we googled it, pregnant women
Speaker 1: come up. So I'm like, whatever, and this is early.
Speaker 1: This is like the first couple of days April's might
Speaker 1: have been April two. So we do showan Sacramento. He's
Speaker 1: now healthy everything is okay, we do yo, She's four
Speaker 1: days back to back, get in to l A and
Speaker 1: we're playing the Wilton that night. So what it was
Speaker 1: we were flying for the first week and then we
Speaker 1: were getting on the tour bus. So I decided to
Speaker 1: do a pregnancy test for fear that I would just
Speaker 1: be on this tour bus stick out on my mind
Speaker 1: if I was pregnant. I wasn't taking it like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, just checking. So we did an interview with
Speaker 1: a popular blog site. I'll say that and they leave
Speaker 1: the house and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna take
Speaker 1: this test and Babe, I'm paying on it. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna check I'm pregnant. I didn't say it like that,
Speaker 1: but that's how quick it said. I was. I paid
Speaker 1: on it and it said pregnant. So I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: the not to come up like I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, how does this work? Does it? Just? That's
Speaker 1: that was good? That was good, and Dyla was created
Speaker 1: and we're pregnant, and it was so early on I
Speaker 1: didn't want to tell anybody on the tour, but I
Speaker 1: didn't want to not do the tour. So by ways
Speaker 1: of the doctor that like, you're fine. You know, it's
Speaker 1: early if you're healthy. Let's just see how this goes.
Speaker 1: So I booked doctor's appointments um throughout the tours. My
Speaker 1: first one was in Phoenix and if you played at
Speaker 1: the venue, the celebrity arena stage, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: was gonna die. I was like, I'm so dizzy. I
Speaker 1: couldn't wear the high heels that I anticipated wearing for
Speaker 1: that tour and I'm now wearing these low um with
Speaker 1: the sp sketches. No, but I had the chucks on
Speaker 1: my nikes, my sps, and I'm like, I'm dizzy. This
Speaker 1: is weird. I don't like it. So we get to
Speaker 1: the doctors like, yeah, you are pregnants about you know,
Speaker 1: five or six weeks. I'm like, oh, I'm on tour
Speaker 1: for like another month and a half or so, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, just just see how you feel.
Speaker 1: So it goes. So I get to Pensacola, Florida, and
Speaker 1: I almost throw up on the front room. It was
Speaker 1: because it was like a hundred and ten degrees and humid,
Speaker 1: and I could smell everything. It was like the bar
Speaker 1: and it had like the lemons and like that citrus,
Speaker 1: smell anything sweet. I'm a dessert fanatic, and when I
Speaker 1: was pregnant, I couldn't touch sugar without throwing up. It
Speaker 1: was no, it wasn't fair, like nothing. I was straight.
Speaker 1: I needed lace, potato chips, and like bacon double cheeseburgers.
Speaker 1: I stopped eating red meat for seven years, and as
Speaker 1: soon as I was pregnant, I needed steak. But I
Speaker 1: guess your body just tells you what you need. And
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. But yes, So by the time you know,
Speaker 1: we get off tour, everybody were pregnant. Peace by love you.
Speaker 1: And then just nineteen neiless head, my grandma comes on
Speaker 1: the kind of custy's best, but she's definitely a sa
Speaker 1: so tell her. So you were saying a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: So you were saying, when you did that floaty tour,
Speaker 1: you knew that was gonna be like your last one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and what was how did you know? Um?
Speaker 1: When you not even about that? Because now myself could
Speaker 1: do a floaty show with our eyes closed, like we
Speaker 1: could have had a whole fight and been on stage
Speaker 1: and giving you the whole show, and you know, no
Speaker 1: different the creativity part of it that will never well,
Speaker 1: hoping never will, but never die personally, could not tolerate
Speaker 1: um not only passed. But if you're someone else's trigger
Speaker 1: for what just didn't happen for you, you can't help
Speaker 1: that part. You can forgive everything. But if I'm the
Speaker 1: one that remained in the US and still doing what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I'm a constant reminder of what happened in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, I'm a constant reminder of reasons
Speaker 1: why things went left or right, and there's nothing you
Speaker 1: can do to heal that other person. So I feel
Speaker 1: once we got to the end of that tour and
Speaker 1: there's still smoking weed on the bus, you know I'm pregnant.
Speaker 1: Though it's the end. It's then I was like, you
Speaker 1: don't wish wealth of my life, and I don't care
Speaker 1: if it was done out of well. This is because
Speaker 1: in two thousand six you said, I'm like, I did
Speaker 1: this for right now. I know what I've done, I
Speaker 1: know what I've said, I know things that I've possibly
Speaker 1: done that have killed you in some ways. And if you,
Speaker 1: like I said, if you can't heal what you don't reveal,
Speaker 1: if you can't tell me what it is, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like saying, you know, I'm okay now,
Speaker 1: Well I'm not like you don't when you like break
Speaker 1: up with someone or you're you're you're mad at someone
Speaker 1: and you try and reconcile. I'm not ready to reconcile.
Speaker 1: And I guess for initially with we both were. But
Speaker 1: you've also shown me who you still are and still
Speaker 1: will be, and I'm cool on that. And that's okay too.
Speaker 1: I wish you well on everything that you do, but
Speaker 1: I don't want face. I'm collectively, we've all been in
Speaker 1: group situations where it's a lot of I didn't think
Speaker 1: of that, I but you know what it is. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's micromanaging um personal lives because the music is
Speaker 1: that's your first hand we knew, we knew that part.
Speaker 1: It's everything else you have to deal with that comes
Speaker 1: with that song. So now is out in the stores?
Speaker 1: LA is out? Unavailable? Yeah, actually let's not. I do
Speaker 1: have a question about the music, Okay, go for it.
Speaker 1: Are we ever going to get an officially released version
Speaker 1: of Yes? Indeed, the Tina recover that you did. Dre
Speaker 1: and I discussed this and hopefully when it calls for
Speaker 1: the moment it deserves it shall be. But that was
Speaker 1: a tough one to tackle about Tina Marie By and
Speaker 1: one of my um said, right, oh yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I remember you played it at that show and it's
Speaker 1: on YouTube and everything. Good. God, I played it like
Speaker 1: five six times in a row. You get it crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, one day, one day, I'll hit Drey also
Speaker 1: looks of phoney position. We still what happens first position
Speaker 1: said the text, Okay, I can't um see. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask about Cloud nine, but so I will say
Speaker 1: about Cloud nine, played it live, You're the only drama
Speaker 1: on the plan it Because I wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: embarrassed by my first gospel chops challenge. Have you heard
Speaker 1: Cloud Night? Yeah, yeah, it's it's straight, It's I was like,
Speaker 1: never again. I went. I went to that's the first
Speaker 1: night I spent the night at fallon my first night ever.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, dude, I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: embarrassed on stage because I don't know how the gospel chop.
Speaker 1: I went on YouTube learn how to play the drums. Yes,
Speaker 1: I typed in Gospel Chops for Dummies. Is a lemon
Speaker 1: year old like Filipino kid with his own page. Dog,
Speaker 1: it's YouTube, it's the internet. Why not just call a
Speaker 1: probably anyway? Fresh? Is this episode ever going? There? Um? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I had to shed for like five hours straight.
Speaker 1: That's how hard. It's a tough one, but it's it's
Speaker 1: so good. Another focus, Yes, I was focus. Shout out
Speaker 1: the focus. That's the homie. I really have great chemistry
Speaker 1: and I was so happy to see your work together
Speaker 1: for like a whole. That's my brother for real. It's
Speaker 1: definitely a musical sultmate. He I mean, he's music royalty,
Speaker 1: like it's in the DNA, like your dad is chic
Speaker 1: so crazy. Before we wrap up the show, what are
Speaker 1: your future plans, Marsha, My future plans are creatively. I
Speaker 1: asked you that question four years ago. You said I
Speaker 1: just want to get married and at babies. So here
Speaker 1: we are four years later and now question, um, TV
Speaker 1: and film horror by and my favorite genre. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love to see you in a horror film. I
Speaker 1: think about to say you okay, okay, oh yeah, So
Speaker 1: what level are we talking like Ralph zombie level or
Speaker 1: are we talking well? The zombie stuff is just go
Speaker 1: for Gore's sake For me sometimes it's it's I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about wrong because he's it's that yeah, never mind, Um,
Speaker 1: it's the things that you don't see this gay and
Speaker 1: so you you like thrillers, psychological thrillers, Yeah, okay, we're
Speaker 1: added like horror. I'm gonna go well, go on a
Speaker 1: whim and say and you can say, this is my
Speaker 1: original idea and I gave you a here for it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. Okay, picture the movie Elm Street, and
Speaker 1: it's really about the suburban area of Elm Street and
Speaker 1: the parents that plucked to kill this man, Freddy Krueger,
Speaker 1: who allegedly sexually abused a kid. That's why he dies.
Speaker 1: So it's the horror that you see in normal people
Speaker 1: that you just go to the supermarket with. And they've
Speaker 1: decided that this missing kid is his responsibility and we're
Speaker 1: going to kill him. And then Freddy has to like
Speaker 1: then declare his soul to the devil and say, do
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna come back and haunt your
Speaker 1: kids and your kids kids. That entire fleet is creeping
Speaker 1: me out thinking about it has to happen. Though it
Speaker 1: is Bruce, Well, it's Marsha, that's my artist's name now
Speaker 1: be in six years, so you got time to write this.
Speaker 1: It's there you go, um, Marcia, alright, thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on our Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Sugar Steve, what did you learn today? You haven't done
Speaker 1: this in a while? Wow, her entire story essentially Okay,
Speaker 1: even you've known her and I'm the only one here. Ironically,
Speaker 1: I suppose you've been pronouncing her name correctly. Yes, I'm paid,
Speaker 1: Bill Man. Good people make good music. Okay, you just
Speaker 1: learned that. I learned that Matt Cappy is on a
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson song. Yeah, jealous Matt Cappy freaking. And then
Speaker 1: you learned how to drum hunt? You did? I learned
Speaker 1: that eleven year old boys, I'll be out of drump
Speaker 1: on the on the buckets. I didn't know you were
Speaker 1: in the basketball so much, so I thought that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: And as well as a horror flicks. That's that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: So too, unrelated to music, things that I think are
Speaker 1: really awesome about you? Awesome. Where'd you learn today? I
Speaker 1: learned that dev is seven years younger. Uh, and for
Speaker 1: a younger man, No, but you know it's that it works.
Speaker 1: I still think it works more than a female's favor
Speaker 1: because of that. You know, I'm all about the physical anyway, um,
Speaker 1: and I what the physic he would be still ready
Speaker 1: to go at it when she hits her peak. I
Speaker 1: know I'm all about the sexual peak. You wouldn't think
Speaker 1: about Okay, I know you did anyway. And I learned
Speaker 1: that Marsha's gonna write the prequel for Nightmare on Elm Street. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's a damn good idea. Man. I learned that Marcia
Speaker 1: is like healthy and happy and like it's still like
Speaker 1: from the last time we saw each other, like your
Speaker 1: life has just gotten better because and like I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to see you. Mean because we've had conversations just
Speaker 1: before about the game and the industry and I just
Speaker 1: kind of finding your way. So when I saw you
Speaker 1: come back with Nyla and you were doing Indie and
Speaker 1: you were doing with focus, and like, I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it. And so I'm just happy to see
Speaker 1: you in the space that you're in because I know
Speaker 1: just as artists are, like I know how that how
Speaker 1: crazy this ship can be. So to see you still here,
Speaker 1: still doing it and be able to do it on
Speaker 1: your own terms. That's really uh, it's really smart business
Speaker 1: moves like having kids can be positive, having kids can't.
Speaker 1: I learned to start risking it all. I've learned. I've
Speaker 1: learned how to use one's own podcast to deflect any
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