Speaker 1: Quest. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Thanks the thing that fox up roll call in the
Speaker 1: virtual senses. But yeah, you know, like if everybody just
Speaker 1: went around did their thing without the yeas. Oh that's
Speaker 1: the phone part. Part of roll call is laughing at
Speaker 1: each other's roll call. The guest that there's live but
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Speaker 1: I figure it out, all right, My good people. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of course Love Supreme, Life's great rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: as I've been dubbing it. Um, my name is Coess Love,
Speaker 1: your host, and of course we have a supreme effects.
Speaker 1: We got ya. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to say ya.
Speaker 1: You're in Los Angeles right now. How how's it going
Speaker 1: for you out there? It's just I'm scared to answer
Speaker 1: that question. I will say this. We are allowed by
Speaker 1: the time this comes on air, you know, by the
Speaker 1: time that comes on air, we'll be allowed to eat
Speaker 1: outside again. Because I hear that we were the only
Speaker 1: ones on in the country that couldn't go outside. Look
Speaker 1: at these nails, couldn't get on. I went to a
Speaker 1: black market nail salon. They had a black curtain on
Speaker 1: the window. You had a knock on the door. This
Speaker 1: is what we're doing, an underground Be careful, all right.
Speaker 1: Or when I last booked, he was one of thirteen people.
Speaker 1: Now that's one of eleven. I don't want the number
Speaker 1: to go down the wand one in seven. We're getting better,
Speaker 1: We're getting better. Be careful, all right, Sugar Steve. You cool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I'm in the same city you are, New
Speaker 1: York were But things are probing for you. Got a
Speaker 1: new network, a new show, you know. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: everything's gone fine for me personally. But you know, cities
Speaker 1: and mess, countries, a mess whatever if you've always been
Speaker 1: a mess man. But you know that's mont that. I'm
Speaker 1: not scared. Hold me, hold me anyway, I'm pay Billy bro.
Speaker 1: I built the bar in my garage. Oh you ordered
Speaker 1: online online. It has neon lights and ship Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I needed something to do, so I did it. Just
Speaker 1: a wonder one. You have a bar for one Yeah,
Speaker 1: my kids said at it. It's a little misdirection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to keep your kids away from the bar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just want to be able to drink in every
Speaker 1: single room in his house, including the garage. Absolutely, So
Speaker 1: we do COVID. We we'll see it one episode. We
Speaker 1: just might have to take over drink Champs and you know,
Speaker 1: bring out bring out the alcohol here love Supreme. You know,
Speaker 1: was that a plug? I see La frowning that I
Speaker 1: gave another podcast of plug. Anyway, how's it down in
Speaker 1: North Carolina? Man, I'm Google Broen. It's good. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: they trying to open up the schools where they wait.
Speaker 1: They thought about doing it because the kids had they testing,
Speaker 1: like the state tests, and um, I didn't send my son.
Speaker 1: I was just like, funk that, like, he ain't going,
Speaker 1: and um they were just like, well, he can make
Speaker 1: it up and we'll try to make it up later
Speaker 1: in June whatever. I said, well, whatever, he ain't going.
Speaker 1: And literally the next day after we like when we
Speaker 1: pulled him, he was like because he's been home the
Speaker 1: whole time. Literally the next day they had like two
Speaker 1: cases pop up. And it's been they we do it now,
Speaker 1: but we pretty much get texts and emails from the
Speaker 1: principle every time a new case. And for about to
Speaker 1: pass like two weeks, I've getten. It's been a new
Speaker 1: case like every day, and so I'm you know, we've
Speaker 1: been in the house, man, I mean I still do
Speaker 1: my walks around the hood and everything, but I'm cooling,
Speaker 1: bro ladies and gentlemen. We have a distinct honor of
Speaker 1: dissecting and exploring the third rail. We're bringing if one
Speaker 1: of the most I will say, probably one of the
Speaker 1: most feared, respected and astonishing MC's. I don't don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to use uh bad localisms when describing great
Speaker 1: you know, they always say, like, this person is a monster.
Speaker 1: Oh man, he's a killer. No, probably an assassin. Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: I feel our our guest today is probably one of
Speaker 1: the most beautiful things about the culture of hip hop
Speaker 1: be it as one half of one of the most
Speaker 1: loved duos of the mid nineties with Organized Confusion. His
Speaker 1: own catalog is nothing to sneeze at. Um. He's constantly
Speaker 1: pushing the boundaries of what one can do in this
Speaker 1: art form. He's usually the favorite of your favorite mcs.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a entire cliche, Like I
Speaker 1: wonder if m sees m ces get tired of hearing
Speaker 1: themselves being nah nah man. That's an honor. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's respected. That shows you respected by the people. They
Speaker 1: really do the craft. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's the eyes honor. Well, he's here
Speaker 1: with us today, so please give it up for the
Speaker 1: one and only Pharaoh. Much too bad, that's what I here.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see. Where are you right now?
Speaker 1: I'm in the basement of the house and Queens, Uh,
Speaker 1: just chilling out through a winter mix of snow and
Speaker 1: ice right now, And like Fante said, man, I take
Speaker 1: my walks and then it's back inside. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: compromised because of mathematics, so I've just been like same here,
Speaker 1: by the same here as well. I can't I can't
Speaker 1: look around. So you've been loyal to Queens this entire
Speaker 1: time for your whole career. Pretty much. I moved. I
Speaker 1: moved out to l A for a couple of months
Speaker 1: to work on stuff and it was cool for a
Speaker 1: couple of on, then to Brooklyn and then back to Queens.
Speaker 1: I'm back in Queen's um. Okay. So I know that
Speaker 1: our audience cannot see your zoom right now, but I
Speaker 1: will say, yeah, I was gonna say, of all of
Speaker 1: our guests on the show, you probably have the most
Speaker 1: interesting background right now. Well next to visit at least
Speaker 1: um you have a very interesting action figure collection behind
Speaker 1: you right now. Like, yeah, I kind of lost my
Speaker 1: mind during this pandemic. Uh well, like I said, I've
Speaker 1: been diligent, so all I could do is like all
Speaker 1: the stuff and go crazy. So I went batshit crazy
Speaker 1: with the action figures and they kind of it worked. Man,
Speaker 1: they keep me kind of stable. Man. I love my
Speaker 1: action figures. There's some real pieces that I caught, uh
Speaker 1: cat on Instagram who I followed, Uh put me onto
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of different dope joints and
Speaker 1: a lot of different companies, and I just lost my mind.
Speaker 1: Like I just got these uh these air Jordan's for
Speaker 1: my Miles Morales in the mail just now, like you know,
Speaker 1: so I just wait, wait a minute, actual Jordan's. You're
Speaker 1: dressing up your action figures in Jordan's exactly. And they're
Speaker 1: just as they're rare to get as well. They're hard
Speaker 1: to get. They're hard to get. Um, they just they
Speaker 1: just redid a couple of companies who are doing them
Speaker 1: custom for the for the you know, Miles Morale, Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Please tell me, please tell me they're not the same
Speaker 1: price as no no, no, no, no no, no, yes, just
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. Not no, that's interesting. So like you're
Speaker 1: your your your passions with the action figures, any anything
Speaker 1: else in the in the pop culture kind of barrel.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a collector, a little bit on
Speaker 1: the sneaker side, but I calmed down with that. You
Speaker 1: got a little bit ridiculous. I'm not ahead, but I
Speaker 1: will catch a couple of pieces if it's if it's
Speaker 1: something interesting. But this during this whole thing, man, it's
Speaker 1: since been movies and action figures and action figures. What's
Speaker 1: the last joint? What's the last jument you saw? Movie
Speaker 1: wise talking, I mean, I've been watching a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff over and over again on repeat, revisiting, revisiting, and
Speaker 1: what I really really blew me away was the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1: That just took me. You know, I waited so long
Speaker 1: for the Star Wars series to get good, and I
Speaker 1: never thought it would, and the movies were starting to
Speaker 1: get so disappointing. But then this series was just like
Speaker 1: it was. It was good and bad in the way.
Speaker 1: I felt like I had the weight, so I get
Speaker 1: got this old for them to get this good with it,
Speaker 1: you know, So Mandalorian is worth investing in. Yes, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you when it it get you like
Speaker 1: when it was? When it when it the was the
Speaker 1: episode one was it? It was off the rip like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I was shining away from getting that, uh
Speaker 1: the Disney app. I'm like I'm not, yes, And then
Speaker 1: everybody kept talking about it, and uh yeah it was
Speaker 1: worth Mandalorian, It's worth getting the app for it's that good.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm gonna make a suggestion, bro, if you
Speaker 1: have a chance, whenever you get a chance, check out
Speaker 1: the sound of metal. I think you would love it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the that's the joint where the drummer losers
Speaker 1: just hearing. Yeah, man, that ship, Oh my god, story again.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, for real, No, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a your boy Riz I met and he plays a
Speaker 1: drummer that loses here it's heavy metal drummer and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's every musician's worst nightmare. But that ship
Speaker 1: is a great fucking flick. It's it's a beautiful flick.
Speaker 1: Which streaming service is that it's on Amazon? Like the
Speaker 1: whole the whole sounds, the whole sounds gaping of how
Speaker 1: they show you how now the sound design that ship
Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, all right, I'm on it. I gotta
Speaker 1: see it. I gotta see it. I just got done
Speaker 1: Small Acts, so I haven't watched all of them. I
Speaker 1: watched the Lover's Rock one, but I haven't seen all
Speaker 1: the other ones. Okay, yeah, yeah, watching in order. Everyone's
Speaker 1: most Jamaicans that I know rock with the second one,
Speaker 1: Lover's Rock. Okay, I'm got that because the other that's
Speaker 1: a very unique joint. Yeah, but I think you'll you'll
Speaker 1: you'll like it, like, okay, but if we shout now
Speaker 1: We'm a shout out night in Miami, and then I'm done. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Riverdale one night in Miami. You're just watching Riverdale. Steve.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, Steve. Steve is good for like it's
Speaker 1: Steve will be like real, like nonchalis with like most
Speaker 1: pop culture things. But then he'll just come back with like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched Real house Wives of Atlanta or I don't
Speaker 1: watch that, but I have a question though, um, and
Speaker 1: then hopefully we could get into the show. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: Mandalorian has something to do with Star Wars. Don't star
Speaker 1: Wars been fell off and they're lucky that we're still
Speaker 1: talking about them forty years about a little Yoda. I
Speaker 1: mean he's not Yoda. It's not Yoda, but baby Yoda. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah. Mandalorian is like their series on the
Speaker 1: Disney Channel, and apparently it's as good, at least to
Speaker 1: the people in my age that are real Star Wars heads,
Speaker 1: like they're they're very happy with the results. Better than
Speaker 1: the last three Star Wars movies. Okay, I'm on about
Speaker 1: one of them that I liked, but I don't know
Speaker 1: which one that was. And don't worry about it. And
Speaker 1: you forgot it already, only saw it once you saw
Speaker 1: Return the Jet of fifteen times. Okay, Oh no, I
Speaker 1: don't mean those three. I'm talking about the of the
Speaker 1: j j Abrams variety, that one anyway. All right, So
Speaker 1: with okay, were you born in Queens, Yes, sir, going
Speaker 1: and raised Queens, New York, Jamaica, Jamaica, South Side, Jamaica.
Speaker 1: What Okay, So only my New York knowledge is just
Speaker 1: limited to whatever rappers rapping at the moment. So like
Speaker 1: what was your peer area? Like, like who what notable
Speaker 1: mcs that you would know of that that you knew
Speaker 1: of before you became notable or they became notable. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was ahead, man, It's like and I'm in a
Speaker 1: molder ship. So I came up there in the park mirror.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, urban legend dudes like
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Vic and and the Boss Crew and just local
Speaker 1: hip hop crews that we're doing Park James that I
Speaker 1: was you know, inspired by and like nah said, like
Speaker 1: just way too afraid to ever get on the mic
Speaker 1: in those moments. And then it shifted to Mikey D,
Speaker 1: the incredible Mikey D and the l L Era and
Speaker 1: I still was too afraid to get on the mic
Speaker 1: and those jams and wasn't ready. And then by the
Speaker 1: time you know, I started going to high school and
Speaker 1: develop an organized confusion, you know. Uh, that's when it
Speaker 1: was like, uh, you know, large pro and lost boys
Speaker 1: and all those cats in the in the area, right,
Speaker 1: So you were there for the first you you have
Speaker 1: memories of the first generation of hip hop in Queens.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I mean I was, I was shorty, but
Speaker 1: it was it was cats jamming. I mean that's what
Speaker 1: we attracted me to the whole thing. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: not to sound cliche, but you can hear the music
Speaker 1: rocking from down the block and you know, crowds and
Speaker 1: forties and you know, you just it'll never go back
Speaker 1: to that. And it was an air about that and
Speaker 1: even the danger of the shootouts and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just a different time and a different feeling and uh, culturally,
Speaker 1: at that point, I was like, I need to be
Speaker 1: a part of this, but I just wasn't ready. Okay,
Speaker 1: what was your family into, Like what what type of
Speaker 1: household did you grow up in? What was your your
Speaker 1: home situation? Um? Yeah, man, both parents gospel on the
Speaker 1: mom's side, jazz on the pop side. My older brother
Speaker 1: was heavy into the rock, which is you know, while
Speaker 1: I gravitated to that a lot, you know, deep purple Zeppelin,
Speaker 1: Rush and all the whole rest of it. Then my
Speaker 1: next brother was like, you know, James Brown and Funk,
Speaker 1: and my sister was Michael Jackson. So I had the
Speaker 1: whole gamut, and I just, you know, just that whole
Speaker 1: seventies thing. I think we all did, and just soaked
Speaker 1: it all in. You know, were your parents native New
Speaker 1: Yorkers now there from Virginia and they moved to New
Speaker 1: York when they had me. You're the youngest I know
Speaker 1: this yet, do you remember the first album that you
Speaker 1: purchased or was it all just trickled down from your
Speaker 1: older brothers and sisters hip hop album or album? This album?
Speaker 1: I want to we'll start that because I haven't come
Speaker 1: to Jesus moment with hip hop. So your very first record,
Speaker 1: my first record I purchased was Saturday Night Shiva. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's real why I got that ship when I was seven,
Speaker 1: you know you Okay, that's understandable. Concert Wise, do you
Speaker 1: remember your first one? Did you go to concerts a
Speaker 1: lot when you were a kid or see performances? I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big concert goer when when I and
Speaker 1: I regret it, you know, because I missed so many
Speaker 1: opportunities and I'm so ashamed, like, uh, I never I
Speaker 1: never saw a prince live, Like it's just so I
Speaker 1: know your relationship with that guy. But it's just things
Speaker 1: like that that I that I regret. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: it was we were in Queens and it was a
Speaker 1: journey to get to where everything was anyway, So I
Speaker 1: was kind of like no du too, So I wasn't
Speaker 1: venturing out that much back then like that. Okay, So
Speaker 1: what was your come to Jesus moment, at least with
Speaker 1: hip hop as far as that's concerned, Like, were you
Speaker 1: just casually rapping around the way or was this the
Speaker 1: thing where you were watching them sees on the block
Speaker 1: and decided that's what I want to do. Like what
Speaker 1: was your introduction to that world? I was. I was
Speaker 1: a crazy ill asthmatic, and I knew I had to
Speaker 1: make a choice that wasn't physical in terms of what
Speaker 1: I was gonna do with my my life. Ms of
Speaker 1: my livelihood wasn't happening. Fire Man wasn't happening, The Gulbridge
Speaker 1: Man wasn't happening. So I was an artist. So I
Speaker 1: went to a high school art and design, Big Up
Speaker 1: to Kwamie, Big Up, the Prodigy, Mob Deep School. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to that same school, and in that school
Speaker 1: was just a plethora of culture, black books, graffiti, just
Speaker 1: hip hop. Culture was rich at the time, and I just,
Speaker 1: you know, before it became you know cool, even the
Speaker 1: BNMC or get a record deal, I knew I had
Speaker 1: to be invested in the culture. So I'm very thankful
Speaker 1: for those moments because you know, I was pop blocking,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was I was way too heavy
Speaker 1: to get on the ground and do a windmill or
Speaker 1: some ship. So I knew I couldn't be a breakdancwer,
Speaker 1: but I was just trying to get into the culture
Speaker 1: however I could in that time frame, and it was
Speaker 1: around eleventh grade that I was like, fuck the art ship,
Speaker 1: express myself through this, this, this, this hip hop. Even
Speaker 1: then I was beatboxing. I didn't you know, I had
Speaker 1: no voice, I was. I was horrible at it. Matt
Speaker 1: Prince Poe had my friend tie Stick, who had turntables,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, let's go and try and
Speaker 1: develop something. Uh made a couple of demo tapes, took
Speaker 1: him home and listened to him. And I'm thankful again
Speaker 1: to be able to listen. You know. I listened back
Speaker 1: to those tapes when I took him home, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you're horrible at this ship, you know, and
Speaker 1: I do. It was the whacking ship I ever heard.
Speaker 1: But I was lucky. I was lucky to be able
Speaker 1: to hear that I wasn't good and it didn't sound
Speaker 1: like the dudes in the park, and it didn't sound
Speaker 1: like the stuff on the radio, which made me say,
Speaker 1: you gotta work at this, bro, you know. I was
Speaker 1: able to say that to myself to flight. Let anybody
Speaker 1: hear what we were doing. But when you and Poe,
Speaker 1: who's the oldest between y'all, I'm probably the oldest about
Speaker 1: a couple of months. Yeah, okay, well y'all, y'all and
Speaker 1: y'all both went to the same school. Y'all was in
Speaker 1: the same class, wet and both of you are art majors.
Speaker 1: Oh Man. Back then they had what was called rotations,
Speaker 1: so we were able to do photography, computer graphics, architecture.
Speaker 1: It was just the school is an amazing you know,
Speaker 1: ray of different cultures from kids from different backgrounds. It
Speaker 1: really shaped obviously a lot of the people who went
Speaker 1: to that school, So that was a blessing in itself.
Speaker 1: I know, or at least I know from the fooklore
Speaker 1: of it all that I believe you were one of
Speaker 1: the last artists to work with Paul C. And I
Speaker 1: assume that this is pre organized or at least pre
Speaker 1: record deal, pre Hollywood basics. Where where did he enter
Speaker 1: the story and how? You know, he's one of the
Speaker 1: most loved mythical figures that I've heard of in a
Speaker 1: hip hop. Like everyone has these incredible words, but I
Speaker 1: can never get any story about his work ethic or
Speaker 1: anything about him, like what was his role in Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you were simply too positive before organized confusion, right, I believe? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we were. We were simply too positive. We had just
Speaker 1: left like a local label situation and went off on
Speaker 1: our journey to start working on our first demo. I
Speaker 1: thought I was finding my voice at the moment. I
Speaker 1: was starting to get some props with the bars as
Speaker 1: an m C and we went into the legendary twelve
Speaker 1: twelve to work on some demos. In twelve twelve at
Speaker 1: the time was probably seventeen year old large professor in
Speaker 1: the corner just on a machine. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: he was doing. And we had went to the studio
Speaker 1: with some records, lay some vocals, and during the time
Speaker 1: we were laying vocals, Paul C was an engineer at
Speaker 1: twelve twelve as well as a producer. He walked into
Speaker 1: our session to get some wires and he was like,
Speaker 1: part of the excuse me, I don't mean and throw up.
Speaker 1: The session got some wise and he left. Next day
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from him. I don't know
Speaker 1: how he got the number, and he was like, I
Speaker 1: heard what y'all was doing. I think y'all got talent.
Speaker 1: I would love to work with y'all. I had asthma attack.
Speaker 1: I was so excited. Did you was was he at
Speaker 1: least you know, I don't know what year this was.
Speaker 1: Was this at least post Ultra Magnetic? Yeah? Right, he
Speaker 1: had that. He had that status of working with Ultra
Speaker 1: super Love ac uh and even um maybe some early
Speaker 1: rock him stuff at the time, if I if I if,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. So it was just you know, if
Speaker 1: if you can imagine, it was just like the ultimate
Speaker 1: phone call. So we went in and work with him,
Speaker 1: and I brought in some different things that we were
Speaker 1: working on, and uh, he was a stickler for truncation
Speaker 1: and programming. You know, gave a lot of two lads
Speaker 1: too large and I credit both of them for a
Speaker 1: lot of that early SP twelve hundreds uh manipulation. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was very early on and they were really doing
Speaker 1: some real amazing work with that. And why I love
Speaker 1: Paul C is that I went in to do a
Speaker 1: song and like a lot of mcs at that time,
Speaker 1: I went past the six team bar measure. He stopped
Speaker 1: the session, closes the session and sends me home. Like
Speaker 1: when you learned how to count bars, come back and
Speaker 1: talk to me. And I thought I would, you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting a little name at the time and
Speaker 1: nobody had ever told me some ship like that. But
Speaker 1: he was just like, who's your favorite you know artists.
Speaker 1: I'm like peeves, like, go listen to those records, learn
Speaker 1: how to fucking rap, learn how to count. Until you
Speaker 1: do that, don't come back to the studio. So that
Speaker 1: was the first like dude who wasn't a yes man
Speaker 1: and started to help us shape our voices and understand
Speaker 1: how to make records. Um, we made really really four
Speaker 1: good songs for the demo with him that went on
Speaker 1: to touch Barbato's hands and Russell Simmons hands and you know.
Speaker 1: But more than that, you know, he just used to
Speaker 1: invite us to his crib. He had a record, insane
Speaker 1: record collection, played drums. It's like, even in this conversation,
Speaker 1: there's no need to mention that he was white, because
Speaker 1: he was just an entity of like some soul spirit
Speaker 1: or some ship, you know, and so funky and whatever.
Speaker 1: And uh, back then, was that uh the novelty like yo,
Speaker 1: how is this white boy no our ship better than us?
Speaker 1: Or like how you know, you know, it's funny. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you have to put these things
Speaker 1: in context in that moment, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: we gave a funk, Like we really didn't. Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't even yeah, it wasn't even a question. We were
Speaker 1: just like, we need good ship. And I think too,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think too. At that time, hip
Speaker 1: hop was so kind of young. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if we were thinking about it as quote unquote hours
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying in terms of black people, like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is our ship. It was. It was so new
Speaker 1: that if you found someone else that was in to it,
Speaker 1: whether they were black, white, whatever, it's just like, oh
Speaker 1: they fun with hip hop just like me. Like didn't
Speaker 1: happen until later on, right, And so uh, we we
Speaker 1: developed a personal relationship outside of the music. I remember
Speaker 1: us going to see Batman and you know and putting
Speaker 1: the raising as in the popcorn and like you're not
Speaker 1: up on this, I'm like raising this in the part.
Speaker 1: You know, just cool, cool moments. And then the tragedy
Speaker 1: is we finished the demo. It was it was touching
Speaker 1: people's hands and we were getting up buzz and he
Speaker 1: got murdered and that's kind of like the first of
Speaker 1: a line of kind of like traumatic tragic things that happened.
Speaker 1: And so me and Prince you know, had to go
Speaker 1: forward and try to get a record deal, but we
Speaker 1: didn't have our guy are kind of guide. And that's
Speaker 1: why that first album is like really kind of experimental,
Speaker 1: because in that moment, we lost the master ranger and
Speaker 1: we just was like taking records to the studio and
Speaker 1: ship and loop and stuff and just doing ideas and
Speaker 1: you know, I went back to the bar count you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: out of gases that was no bark out. So basically,
Speaker 1: had had a situation not turned out, had it turned out,
Speaker 1: he would have probably been the main producer of Organized
Speaker 1: Confusion absolutely. Wow wow wow wow. Yeah. Well that's the
Speaker 1: thing now. The way that The Source first introduced you
Speaker 1: guys to the world, like they made such a big
Speaker 1: deal of Disney having a record label that you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, wait a minute, there's a
Speaker 1: rap group one, like like the way they did it,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it as like Hollywood basic, like just
Speaker 1: I don't even know why they had to put like
Speaker 1: a subsidiary of Disney Records. So I kind of like
Speaker 1: pushed it to the side, like I lowered my expectations
Speaker 1: a lot, and I jumped on the you know, once
Speaker 1: I heard instrumentals and whatnot, then it was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that Disney rap group really dope. Like I just kept
Speaker 1: because I think because wrap the only thing they had
Speaker 1: on Hollywood was like it was y'all And I remember
Speaker 1: your Life's Group, like the the Jail Niggers made the
Speaker 1: album yea Life Was Group. I produced the record for them.
Speaker 1: Me and Princess produced the record for those groups, and
Speaker 1: we literally went into the prison and had to do
Speaker 1: that ship. That's a whole another of them I've never heard,
Speaker 1: so you know, we're on the label and we got
Speaker 1: a little buzz you know from you know, underground ship
Speaker 1: Pudge Budge, YadA YadA, and they're like, yo, you know
Speaker 1: Dave funking Klein. Let me just give you a little
Speaker 1: history on him, right. It's responsible for like Brain Tribe
Speaker 1: and Jungle Brothers over to the Europe scene, very instrumental
Speaker 1: and in that whole thing and breaking a lot of
Speaker 1: things over there in Europe. Um, he's dead. He was
Speaker 1: that dude, and he was a visionary and I guess
Speaker 1: he got himself a record label over there and got
Speaker 1: himself a nice team with Tim Reid, you know, and
Speaker 1: so it was it was, it was live. They just
Speaker 1: didn't have this aesthetic, you know, the aesthetic was but
Speaker 1: wait a minute, the same Tim ready yea that he
Speaker 1: will never share with me. Do you have it? Do
Speaker 1: you have it? So um going to the prison Rowways
Speaker 1: stayed prison in New Jersey. The group was called Lifeless
Speaker 1: Group because all the members was doing life sentences. Day
Speaker 1: funking client thought this would be a great idea because
Speaker 1: you don't get no harder then cats that are doing
Speaker 1: life in prison. And I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is a good idea. Hey, cut the check,
Speaker 1: will go produce the record. And I never forget going
Speaker 1: in there my first time in uh maximum security prison.
Speaker 1: They slammed the gates behind us, and they tasked me
Speaker 1: and Prince with picking from ten inmates the five that
Speaker 1: would be in the group. Can you already see the
Speaker 1: tragic stake that that is. So these guys had to
Speaker 1: rap and we had to pick which ones it was
Speaker 1: the best. Wow, I was like, this is this is
Speaker 1: this is gonna go terribly wrong. And uh, I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, we picked the five wait for a week
Speaker 1: working on the music that we're working on the songs.
Speaker 1: When we go to come back, we're like, what's up
Speaker 1: with the other two guys we picked? Shanked no, no
Speaker 1: in the group, you have to pick another two? And
Speaker 1: it was it was that wild and so you did
Speaker 1: y'all like make the beats in the prison and everything,
Speaker 1: or like tracking everything. We we we tracked some stuff
Speaker 1: in the prison board, like you know, um portable recorder
Speaker 1: to the prison for them to record. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: y'all killing me. I never heard all the years we've
Speaker 1: known each other, I had no idea you could group dude. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: we did two songs on that project. Yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of find Wow. Did like you ever keep in touch
Speaker 1: with it those guys afterwards that they write or whatever
Speaker 1: or you did next You know, you should see the
Speaker 1: look in his eyes, like next question we wo okay,
Speaker 1: So were there any other options besides Hollywood Basic? And
Speaker 1: why were they chosen to be the home of Organized confusion.
Speaker 1: Barbato was in aur at Jeff Jams at the time.
Speaker 1: He was like, this demo is insane. I love this demo.
Speaker 1: I love these guys. I just did uh him and
Speaker 1: stretched up the day he's still you know, my people
Speaker 1: and my fams. It's been so many years. We we
Speaker 1: we we've been tight and cool. And he had the
Speaker 1: demo and he had Nass demo. He took them to Rustle.
Speaker 1: He was like, these two demos are amazing and Russell
Speaker 1: Simmons rejected both demos positive, simply too positive and not
Speaker 1: turn them both down. And then um, we were like,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: Got the offer from Hollywood Basic that was kind of
Speaker 1: really nice, offered for underground hip hop back then, and
Speaker 1: we were like heyn will will will fly to both
Speaker 1: fly the Disney landing and you know and record whatever.
Speaker 1: And then last minute, I've seen Russell in the club
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know what I've been listening
Speaker 1: to you guys, demo call me tomorrow. Let's have a conversation.
Speaker 1: So we're like, oh ship death Jams, oh ship and uh.
Speaker 1: We called Russell Simmons the next day to talk about
Speaker 1: a deal and he said, first off, simply too Positive
Speaker 1: is the worst fucking name in hip hop that I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of. Gotta change the name, Gotta change the name.
Speaker 1: We were like nas STP you know STP, you know
Speaker 1: the oil and even like that sh it is the
Speaker 1: most funked up name I've ever heard in hip Hopsease,
Speaker 1: no way I'm signing out with that name. Alright, we
Speaker 1: got to come up with a better name. You gotta
Speaker 1: come up with real name. That's how we to organized.
Speaker 1: Confusion took us forty eight hours. See an organized confunction
Speaker 1: record organized. That's how you name the group organized gives
Speaker 1: yep from the conca yep. We were like oxy moron
Speaker 1: boo boo boo. Sounds good. You're there's something that you
Speaker 1: could do these moves. I could do that move, you
Speaker 1: can wear this, so I can wear that. Wow, let's
Speaker 1: do it. And you went back to russel of like okay,
Speaker 1: we changed our names, so now what's uppen? Okay, we
Speaker 1: change our names. Now what's up? Uh? You us like
Speaker 1: eighty gram basic deal was like hunter and fifty grand
Speaker 1: and so we took the money. Hey, okay, as you
Speaker 1: damn where's you're there? I see because this is what
Speaker 1: the ninet what like you remember like but it was
Speaker 1: probably right yeah, because oh that period, I will, I will,
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like I heard these rumors
Speaker 1: are getting shelves and ship never coming out and these
Speaker 1: horror stories, and I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go down that road. You know that's crazy. Well, at
Speaker 1: least then because I know, like Riek and I used
Speaker 1: to dream of being on death Jam, like yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's such a like going to Motown like so for
Speaker 1: you to make the what you felt was the wiser
Speaker 1: decision of the group, I mean that that's that says
Speaker 1: a lot of what was deaf Jam at the time.
Speaker 1: For you to walk away from dis fabled hip hop
Speaker 1: utopian space and just go to Mickey Mouse's new home,
Speaker 1: I'd a lot. I've made more terrible decisions on the
Speaker 1: way on the road too, But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that I don't know if it
Speaker 1: would have worked out. Who's to say? You know? Um?
Speaker 1: Do you you know? I know at least from if
Speaker 1: I get it a little bit, then I know you
Speaker 1: get it a lot. Do you kind of roll your
Speaker 1: eyes at like super fans who salivate over you know?
Speaker 1: I mean there's so much, especially with well, I guess
Speaker 1: with all three with with equal Knox and stress in
Speaker 1: or and the self titled record The Folklore of It
Speaker 1: or like is it. I know, like sometimes Arka is frustrated,
Speaker 1: where like every MC after MC comes up and praises
Speaker 1: is work. But then it's like you don't necessarily see
Speaker 1: the evidence of of you know, your heart work. And
Speaker 1: I mean, does it get tiring here in that year
Speaker 1: after year of like how much you influenced me and
Speaker 1: how much you influenced me, and yet this couldn't translating
Speaker 1: the cells and you know, at least to that level
Speaker 1: of what it was back in Definitely. I think after
Speaker 1: the first record we were a little bit perplexed because
Speaker 1: we we so a little bit of you know, play
Speaker 1: and whatever, but we were inexperienced. So we talked it
Speaker 1: off to that, you know, I'm wanting to believe you
Speaker 1: have to stay in love with the ship. But I
Speaker 1: can see how during that era a lot of cats
Speaker 1: were finding out more and more about the industry. Was
Speaker 1: kind of I'm not sure about this girl anymore, like
Speaker 1: kind of falling out of love with it. And I
Speaker 1: kind of decided that I can't do this unless you're
Speaker 1: gonna love it, love it, love it, love it regardless
Speaker 1: too the outcome, And so I stayed in love and
Speaker 1: we moved on from the self titled record to the
Speaker 1: Stress Record. I think we you know, started to really
Speaker 1: find our voices around that record, you know, got a
Speaker 1: little more love and pushed a little more forward with
Speaker 1: with the Stress Record and a couple of joints off
Speaker 1: there in terms of folklore and different songs on that record,
Speaker 1: and then I think, you know, we had it with
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse after that record, and then um, we moved
Speaker 1: on to uh yeah, we moved on to priority where
Speaker 1: it was. It was weird because at the time they
Speaker 1: they had kind of signed a bunch of established people
Speaker 1: and they I didn't see where they didn't break any records,
Speaker 1: and I was feeling like we still needed to be
Speaker 1: broken as a group, even though we were two albums deep.
Speaker 1: And we worked on that last one and we really
Speaker 1: put a lot into it, you know, I was trying
Speaker 1: to do this whole story thing and back forward, you know,
Speaker 1: put a lot effort into it, a little bit of love,
Speaker 1: a lot a bit of love. I think people saw it.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to do those type of records and
Speaker 1: make them make sense anyway. M Yeah. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of people would be like, yo, that's my favorite
Speaker 1: one of the three. But you know, it's my favorite
Speaker 1: one of the three, which one Eudox because that was
Speaker 1: that came out like nineties seven. So that was my
Speaker 1: freshman year at Central, and I remember getting my refund
Speaker 1: check and running the goddamn Willie's represent tapes. I bought
Speaker 1: a gang of ship equidox. Remember when I first Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember when I first met you. You were like,
Speaker 1: y'all a lot of record and a lot of skits
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. Yea, who did yeah?
Speaker 1: Who did the Sir Winston Howard? Who was that? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: so my my, my, my guy, Brian Fleming, who's a writer. Now,
Speaker 1: he found this guy in the neighborhood, Like I think
Speaker 1: he was in the liquor store and this dude was
Speaker 1: like and he was like, hey man, you want to
Speaker 1: do some skits on this album? Wow? You just had
Speaker 1: his voice and uh we just yeah, hey, um it
Speaker 1: just it just hit me that, Um I believe the
Speaker 1: first time that I heard of O C was on
Speaker 1: your first Yeah. So how yeah? How did how did
Speaker 1: he get down with the click? And had moved from
Speaker 1: Brooklyn across the street from from me in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know, back then we were playing you know, two
Speaker 1: hand touched in the street and still playing basketball and
Speaker 1: all that ship, and you know, I would knock on
Speaker 1: people's doors and be like, yo, we're get in the game.
Speaker 1: You want to play him? You know. One day he
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I rat and I was like, oh God.
Speaker 1: And he rhymes and I was like, holy shit, oh ship,
Speaker 1: this kid might be a problem. And we just you know,
Speaker 1: started hanging out and we would we would trade and
Speaker 1: spa and he would be like, yoall wrote something. And
Speaker 1: he would come over to the house do versus and
Speaker 1: wrap over, you know, pause tapes and sit and I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, man, you you got it, man, you
Speaker 1: got something special. I just think he for me. OHC
Speaker 1: always had a a knack for pocket, you know, just
Speaker 1: just command of pocket that I could never obtain. It's
Speaker 1: just something people have that's just they lock in, you know. Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he lived right across the street from me.
Speaker 1: On the the Stress album, I always wanted to know this.
Speaker 1: This shows you how much of a do we by am.
Speaker 1: I believe your Stress review and the source was the
Speaker 1: infamous Tupac Hell Raiser issue m H. And I also
Speaker 1: believe that they had you right. Hip hop's very first
Speaker 1: op ed I believe. Yeah, when you talk about like
Speaker 1: the rhymes you erode and you clicked on the sp
Speaker 1: and that's funny, you remember that part. I just remember
Speaker 1: the Chinese chicken wing take out Chinese food reference reference.
Speaker 1: That's so how different we are super nerves remember the
Speaker 1: food reference. No that you know that was not history,
Speaker 1: won't won't pan out? How crucial that that issue of
Speaker 1: the Source was too hip hop's future? Um, you know,
Speaker 1: because basically I feel like that that Tupac cover is
Speaker 1: what built the myth and the legend of Tupac, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of their highest selling issues. But
Speaker 1: I also remember it simply because the the you know,
Speaker 1: you guys have to leave review for that album, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's the first time that I heard of
Speaker 1: like like a separation, Like okay, so there's underground hip
Speaker 1: hop and then there's accessible, easy to understand hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know. It was almost as if the reviewer of
Speaker 1: the album was kind of at a crossroads because he
Speaker 1: in his heart felt that this was the perfect album
Speaker 1: he was listening to, but because he knew that it
Speaker 1: was gonna go over everyone's heads, he might have to
Speaker 1: take a mic away. So it was it was almost
Speaker 1: like we got four Mike, Yeah, I got four, I
Speaker 1: remember that right. But he basically said I would give
Speaker 1: this album a five, but because this is so above
Speaker 1: the head of anyone else that it, you know, I
Speaker 1: just have to take a mic away because it's too smart.
Speaker 1: I was crushed. That's another That's another moment where I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to do this anymore, because I'm starting to see
Speaker 1: that this ship is not based on the merits so
Speaker 1: and so that those are the things like in the relationship,
Speaker 1: if you will, with the music, you start to question
Speaker 1: your commitment and your love to it, and you have
Speaker 1: to keep re assessing and and recommitting yourself to it.
Speaker 1: But that was one of the moments I was like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna start this article off with I would have
Speaker 1: gave them, and I kept I kept like I guess
Speaker 1: I um vicariously was living through you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: because at that moment we were just starting to make
Speaker 1: our record. And then you know, when I read that,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, he's basically saying that this
Speaker 1: album is too smart for its own good. And had
Speaker 1: they just did a little bit of terra firma down
Speaker 1: to earth, like make it normal. I would have easily
Speaker 1: shown why this is a five mic record, and that
Speaker 1: always horned me. But I never ever got to ask
Speaker 1: you how that felt like you're dope, but you're you're
Speaker 1: too dope, so we have to penalized, penalize you for that.
Speaker 1: It was crushing. I mean, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: if I I don't know if I expected a five.
Speaker 1: It was a solid record, and I thought we had
Speaker 1: a chance to get a five. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: I would have been fine if you wouldn't have put
Speaker 1: that bit in there, like, oh, these guys almost moved
Speaker 1: me to a pool. But I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: that because you wrapped about part of Colds of Molecules
Speaker 1: and fucking right. You know, do you remember who the
Speaker 1: writer was on that review? Was it like the original
Speaker 1: mind squad? Dude? Yeah, it was damn that that's the one.
Speaker 1: Was it wrun real ship? My? My, my, my sources
Speaker 1: at at work? All right. I remember at the time,
Speaker 1: Pharaoh you, Um. I read an interview around the time
Speaker 1: of Equal NOx and you were saying that, Um. I
Speaker 1: think Poe was saying, like, yo, let's get back in
Speaker 1: the studio, let's go at it again. And you told
Speaker 1: him like, look, man, I gotta be real, like my
Speaker 1: heart really and in this ship you know right now.
Speaker 1: Um what was that like? Yeah it was I can't
Speaker 1: remember what it was. It Yeah, he was, and I
Speaker 1: read it. I was like, damn, like he being real,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um, But yeah, what was
Speaker 1: that like for for you and Poe? Kind of that Um,
Speaker 1: for y'all to both be in different places, and um,
Speaker 1: how did that affect you both? You know, personally and
Speaker 1: professionally in terms of your relationship. I mean, we're good
Speaker 1: and we was good. Then I felt it only right
Speaker 1: to go to him, you know, talk to him how
Speaker 1: I was feeling. I was crushed at the results of
Speaker 1: the last record. We put a lot into it. It
Speaker 1: ended it ended with the group getting dropped from priority
Speaker 1: and that kind of hurt my ego. But UM, gave
Speaker 1: me some time, Uh after we worked so hard on
Speaker 1: that record, and I was like, I definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to myself and flipping on it, I definitely don't
Speaker 1: feel like going back in the studio right now. That's
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do. So I need
Speaker 1: some time to kind of recoup and assess my relationship
Speaker 1: with music again, because I knew it was important. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to love love, love, you need to love
Speaker 1: this ship, and I knew I loved it, but I
Speaker 1: need to needed to take a step back, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I had that discussion when him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm tapped out, Like I'm really tapped out. I need
Speaker 1: to take a hiatus. And during that time, I realized
Speaker 1: that I just had a lot of personal things that
Speaker 1: if I was to um recommit myself to this, that
Speaker 1: I needed to get off my chest that I even
Speaker 1: felt would be unfair to drag him into, because you know,
Speaker 1: in the group, you're sharing so much, and you're you're
Speaker 1: making these uh compromises, and you're making these uh you know,
Speaker 1: decisions collectively to put records together. And I just came
Speaker 1: out on the other side like I really felt it
Speaker 1: would be selfish to drag him, feel like I would
Speaker 1: be dragging him into these ideas that I was having.
Speaker 1: And so I went back to him and and and
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, I think I'm gonna try to vomit
Speaker 1: some of this uh stuff out, and he, uh, he
Speaker 1: was like, yo, man, you got my blessings, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I went on that journey. I
Speaker 1: have actually three cree creative questions about you're working the
Speaker 1: organized confusion, Well for starters, how do you guys build
Speaker 1: ideas and your songs? Is it? Well? First of all,
Speaker 1: even with the production, you know, do you guys work
Speaker 1: on beat separate or is it? Was it a collaborative effort?
Speaker 1: And that that like, does the concept of the song
Speaker 1: come at the beginning or does it just whoever adds
Speaker 1: the verse first, then that's the concept of the song.
Speaker 1: As soon as we landed the deal, we went out
Speaker 1: and got hundreds and we started just banging out beats
Speaker 1: with with the crew of cats and queens as well.
Speaker 1: Who who were the organisms and they were they were
Speaker 1: working on music as well. And I started going out
Speaker 1: to these record conventions, the famous record conventions that you know,
Speaker 1: Finesse and Large and Salaman Tip and everybody would be
Speaker 1: at and I would see them in there, and then
Speaker 1: my heroes and it would be buying these eighty dollar
Speaker 1: records and I would be like, wow, that must be nice,
Speaker 1: and we would, you know, look for stuff. And then
Speaker 1: once I developed a relationship with those dudes, they started
Speaker 1: to be like, you got this, you got this. You
Speaker 1: know this guy, you know this guy, you got this.
Speaker 1: You need to get this, and started to you know,
Speaker 1: begin to get my chops up with on the dig inside,
Speaker 1: and we started to you know, produce all music, and
Speaker 1: I gravitated to what I knew was was, you know,
Speaker 1: my brothers again, the weather Report and a lot of
Speaker 1: the Fusion Ship, which kind of the landscape of things
Speaker 1: I wanted to wrap over personally, and so I just
Speaker 1: started putting stuff together and taking it to the studio
Speaker 1: and trying to make it better and get in with
Speaker 1: the right you know, engineers and things like that. So
Speaker 1: Prince would make a beat, we would make a beat together.
Speaker 1: We would be like what is this? You know, we
Speaker 1: just sit there and be like what it is this
Speaker 1: song saying? And what are we doing? And or I
Speaker 1: would come with a concept and be like, what if
Speaker 1: we're unborn fetuses and the mothers? That was my ship
Speaker 1: to the in vitro nigger. I ran, man, I ran
Speaker 1: the hell out of damn so so and then um,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out the buck wild um. And then
Speaker 1: around that same time we're working on too man. Was
Speaker 1: crazy that decisions. Thank you Anton Puchowski was was bringing
Speaker 1: live in intrumentations to a lot of the early ship
Speaker 1: and just pushing us along. And it was a collective
Speaker 1: effort to answer your answer your question. So I always
Speaker 1: wanted to know, um, because you guys were so advanced, um,
Speaker 1: like way past where ultimate Medic was taking it. Because
Speaker 1: you guys were so advanced and sort of wrapping outside
Speaker 1: the boundaries of you know, outside the boundaries, coloring outside
Speaker 1: the lines. Was it frustrating to to have such not
Speaker 1: not limitations as far as what hip hop music could
Speaker 1: have been. But I would always have I would have
Speaker 1: I could imagine. I always thought of you guys as
Speaker 1: sort of like advanced there at hip hop like future.
Speaker 1: Well that's the time I'm saying, you guys are a
Speaker 1: future hip hop that kind of got stuck with a
Speaker 1: palette of limited music output. Like if if you guys
Speaker 1: could easily figure out ways to program that's twelve hundred
Speaker 1: so that you could rhyme seven eight meter here and
Speaker 1: then slow down there, and things that you could easily
Speaker 1: do now on pro tools and and you know, and
Speaker 1: reasonable yeah, and all these So was it or even
Speaker 1: things like you know where ghost Face just rhymes over
Speaker 1: an album like I always wanted to know, like Ship,
Speaker 1: if you guys could rhyme over Frank Zappa for my
Speaker 1: visa orchestra, just like you guys would have been those people.
Speaker 1: So like, was there ever musical moments that you tried
Speaker 1: an idea that was just like way to ahead of
Speaker 1: his time at least uh technology wise. I was frustrated then,
Speaker 1: which is which made me happy because I knew what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was expansive, you know. And I
Speaker 1: would listen to bands and they would play a groove
Speaker 1: at a tempo and then break it down and do
Speaker 1: it beautiful transition into a slower, more beautiful tempo. And
Speaker 1: I was like, how am I you know, how are
Speaker 1: we going to achieve this with what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what brought about that Hypnotical Gases song,
Speaker 1: which starts at one tempo and goes and goes into
Speaker 1: another tempo. We didn't know how to program and at
Speaker 1: the time, so um we started off with that one
Speaker 1: loop that that that slow loop and goes goes into
Speaker 1: the fusion Ship. I remember Anton Kachowski having to cut
Speaker 1: the two ins take in order to you know, get
Speaker 1: this ship to work and you think back to things
Speaker 1: like that, and he's literally like, I gotta get this
Speaker 1: ship right, you know, he's literally slicing the tape. I know,
Speaker 1: y'all know, you know. And I wanted to go and
Speaker 1: I wanted to go into the fast beat as if
Speaker 1: the band was was was doing that. You know, That's
Speaker 1: that one was in my head. But I had no
Speaker 1: other way to achieve it, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: brings this full circle, you know, moving forward. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to achieve that in the terms of the
Speaker 1: programming in a sample time. Um, I don't believe we
Speaker 1: had nine fifties at the time, you know. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: how are we gonna get this idea out of my head?
Speaker 1: And we did it, and it's it's one of the
Speaker 1: records that Organistic Fusion is most known for. Okay with
Speaker 1: without without without without want to be starting something. How
Speaker 1: frustrating was it for you as an MT as a
Speaker 1: power motherfucker's love? You know, I mean I've been I've
Speaker 1: been doing this sothing for a little while. Man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how how frustrating was it for you? To hear just
Speaker 1: you know, without being condescending like mortal mortal hip hop
Speaker 1: fans just salivate over I gave you power when when
Speaker 1: you did straight Bullet like years already did straight bullet
Speaker 1: like how and didn't have to tell people that you
Speaker 1: were good. That's something I hate it, but I gave
Speaker 1: you power. It's like I'm a motherfucking o NA song.
Speaker 1: I was gonna yeah hipop hybody anybody ever told nas
Speaker 1: that that people hate that intro to that between between
Speaker 1: I gave you power and the way that Dre says
Speaker 1: NAS name Na fucking motherfucking Drake and at the word yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's sorry. I took half of my golfer just
Speaker 1: for those two intros. Yeah, but basically, like um, you know,
Speaker 1: it brings it, it brings it back so many just
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with today. From our leans, the fucking
Speaker 1: the lore and the love we got for Stray Bullet
Speaker 1: was just insane. You know. We would perform that record
Speaker 1: and it would be like the crowd would be like insane.
Speaker 1: So from our leans we were getting the love and
Speaker 1: the props from that record and the writing and the reviews,
Speaker 1: we were like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, when I
Speaker 1: gave you the power came out, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that fucking it's fucking Premier, Like what can
Speaker 1: you say? And then um and then naz is like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite mcs, like like like literally that
Speaker 1: just so the the rush of people that came to
Speaker 1: us like hey, good your ship man. But but as
Speaker 1: as I don't think he didn't don't right, And that
Speaker 1: that was That was another thing. The crew the crews were.
Speaker 1: The crews were interconnected in a different way because O
Speaker 1: C was with Searchlight and it was you know, but
Speaker 1: just for real, as a as an artist, I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't feel a way like oh man, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I didn't get those feelings from it. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, as Tarik says, like some still shop and
Speaker 1: still shipping and what you're gonna do next. I say
Speaker 1: that to say later in life, I find myself in
Speaker 1: the back seat of a range Rover with not As
Speaker 1: having a conversation and now says, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: A lot of people you know what I mean said,
Speaker 1: you know, they came to me, they said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you know Pharaoh man did that ship before you man?
Speaker 1: And you know we had a lot of similar ship
Speaker 1: D so you know, as the foundation, you know, we
Speaker 1: need to you know, we need to. So we had
Speaker 1: a discussion about it, um, but yeah, I never really
Speaker 1: felt like, oh my god, that's my concept, Like I
Speaker 1: never really felt that way. You know, I still maintain
Speaker 1: that NAS. I don't think NAS listens two that much,
Speaker 1: at least most of them season. I know that on
Speaker 1: that level, I don't agree with you because I don't
Speaker 1: listen to I don't it's like a handful of people
Speaker 1: that I listened to when I'm reporting, and then even
Speaker 1: listen to people's com anymore as artists, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You're yeah, seas experts. How you're gonna be
Speaker 1: such an expert on because I listened in the off season.
Speaker 1: But when usually when you're creating your thing, you're you're
Speaker 1: in your own you don't want to listen to other people,
Speaker 1: so that you don't. But if it happened afterwards, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to stuff like you have to listen so
Speaker 1: you know what not to do. Nothing else is more
Speaker 1: of just kind of a it's like all right, if
Speaker 1: I know, like if I'm working on the album now,
Speaker 1: I'll listen to Pharaoh album be like, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: not to do this because he covered that already, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's as far as has has
Speaker 1: Riek ever told you. I I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that a big part of Tarik's development, especially on things
Speaker 1: fall apart, like you know, I mean there's a period
Speaker 1: for those that listen to the show, and I guess
Speaker 1: I can ask you this, uh as well, Phararell. If
Speaker 1: you're if you're creating this music in the mid to
Speaker 1: late nineties and and the early arts, um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's usually in your head like a jury that you imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, listening to this and that you have to
Speaker 1: have it to that standard. So I know for a
Speaker 1: fact that Jesus Christ, like Tarik would run the she
Speaker 1: it out of Equinox like every night at like religiously,
Speaker 1: like that was his that was his rocky music to
Speaker 1: get him hype for the show, like literally like it
Speaker 1: was like I gotta get to this level. I want
Speaker 1: this level and this this level of respect. Did he
Speaker 1: ever tell you like how much that that that album
Speaker 1: into him? When we when we talk, we just we
Speaker 1: just do versus of each other's and different ship and
Speaker 1: not be like the fifth and make it all come
Speaker 1: together like the Zippo on the butter level, just you know,
Speaker 1: just amazing ship. Uh, nothing specific, but that, like you
Speaker 1: have to know that. Um I imagine that when I
Speaker 1: when I turn in an album that Fonte and Thought
Speaker 1: and Royce and and different other cats. You know, I
Speaker 1: had a big fucking table and they're like, now, let's
Speaker 1: like like the last time white board. Yeah, so that's real?
Speaker 1: What is that? What is that? So? What is that
Speaker 1: in is? Because the thing is that we don't have that,
Speaker 1: like right now, I'm current. This will be the first
Speaker 1: album I created and which I'm you know, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I always kept like, okay, the source is still a
Speaker 1: thing in my mind and I have to have that
Speaker 1: level of perfection, Like I'm still striving for that four
Speaker 1: point five rating that I want even though it doesn't
Speaker 1: exist now. So what is what is that for you
Speaker 1: in your head when you're creating things or is this
Speaker 1: now you're just in the place where you just create
Speaker 1: for yourself. That's what I did on this this new project.
Speaker 1: A deconstructed all the ship that I don't like and
Speaker 1: you know a lot of stuff I would listen to
Speaker 1: and be like, this doesn't have any replay value for me?
Speaker 1: Why doesn't it have any replay value for you? And
Speaker 1: what can you do when you do your ship that's
Speaker 1: going to give something some replay value? You know? The
Speaker 1: the lyrics, the lyricism work is really really good right now,
Speaker 1: just being a good or great em see, it's just
Speaker 1: not good enough anymore for me. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: people can fucking wrap now. People have been rapping for
Speaker 1: thirty years now, more like what you know, what more
Speaker 1: is it? You know, just to hear somebody, Uh, that's nice.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he's nice, and then I would kind
Speaker 1: of drift away from it. What can what can you
Speaker 1: do to make people retain some information? Or yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna listen to that that that song
Speaker 1: for a second time and it has to do obviously
Speaker 1: way more with the arranging and melody and chorus and
Speaker 1: bars as well. So in that time, I'm just like, uh,
Speaker 1: let me step away and and focus still keeping the
Speaker 1: in the mind that I want you guys to hear
Speaker 1: this ship, you know, because I'm in touch with um
Speaker 1: thought towards the end of the the record and he's
Speaker 1: just sending me tons and tons of ship and I'm like,
Speaker 1: how does he do this? Like records on records and
Speaker 1: then he's sharing, like I'm so scared to share my ship,
Speaker 1: but he's just like, yo, I did this ship with
Speaker 1: check the ship out. And it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so the bar you know, you you know what
Speaker 1: your bar is, and it's high for me. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, Farah can rap so fucking what, like right,
Speaker 1: we know it already and I don't know that the
Speaker 1: sound I already I mean not to say it's like
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with the without it's like the
Speaker 1: straight A student, Like if you get straight a's all
Speaker 1: the time, it's like people don't notice you till you
Speaker 1: make a B and it's just you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the sword freestyle. Everybody in the know is watching
Speaker 1: that ship like y'all ain't know, you know. But it
Speaker 1: was so monumental for me because he's he's breaking the
Speaker 1: matrix in that moment, look at him. Only somebody who
Speaker 1: loves this tow to this level would even be able
Speaker 1: to put together a string together that level of artistry
Speaker 1: and lyricism, and so that that's what's beautiful about the
Speaker 1: now and getting mature in this and knowing that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm on my Morgan freemanship. Man, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: be the Morgan free enough hip hop. That's great. And
Speaker 1: then even the thing with that thought freestyle, the thing
Speaker 1: that I always tell people is like you have to
Speaker 1: you know, to your point kind of almost you know,
Speaker 1: fair about like wrapping up being enough. You know, the
Speaker 1: thing is, people watch that freestyle. It wasn't that they
Speaker 1: listened to it. They watched it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that was what kind of gave it the novelty
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Because I mean, again, us we've been
Speaker 1: in and know we've been knowing. But if we if
Speaker 1: he would have taken those same bars and just spit
Speaker 1: them over beat and put it out and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I just let some bars go, it wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: the same reaction. You know what I'm saying People that
Speaker 1: I understand what it did for him, Look what it
Speaker 1: did for all of us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Anytime somebody comes to the table and then they display that,
Speaker 1: it just reinforces how marginalized I think lyricism still is.
Speaker 1: As much as it gets praised, I still don't think
Speaker 1: people like even like jay Z. I'm like, y'all still
Speaker 1: don't understand how good he is, as much popular as
Speaker 1: he is. It's just levels of lyricism that isn't discussed
Speaker 1: in forums that that can be brought out. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: as as as somebody who's a fan of Fonte and
Speaker 1: Jay like this is this is just amazing ship that
Speaker 1: happens to me an amazing penmanship. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it goes still to this day,
Speaker 1: goes over people's heads. How amazing some of this ship
Speaker 1: is that makes any sense? All Right? So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: not ask you the question that I hate when journalists
Speaker 1: ask me this question. Shall remix it. Who are your
Speaker 1: favorite m season? And I guess I'm really asking, is
Speaker 1: there anyone post two thousand ten, really post two thousand
Speaker 1: fifteen that you like? Now I'm prepared for that answer
Speaker 1: to be no. If it's no, Um, so that's I'll
Speaker 1: just have you just who who are your go to? Like?
Speaker 1: Who do you like? Really? Like? I'm I'm I'm trying.
Speaker 1: You know, I pulled from all of these dudes. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think Hendrick is an obvious an obvious choice
Speaker 1: because you know, on the on the album that I
Speaker 1: Touched my Heart. He had an understanding of very early
Speaker 1: on that I'm nice, but I need to be surrounded
Speaker 1: by arrangement and music and all these things. And he
Speaker 1: made that marriage and it was a moment again that
Speaker 1: that pushed the envelope of what could be done. Kendrick
Speaker 1: is one um, but just all Time ms like any
Speaker 1: you know, I mean my all Time is the same
Speaker 1: cast of dudes. It's a rock Hammon Kane and g
Speaker 1: rap Rap being my favorite, click Rick, who who I
Speaker 1: think influenced a whole array of people, but they don't
Speaker 1: get that slick Rick is influenced them because the tone.
Speaker 1: But slick Rick is h He's a master. And Chuck
Speaker 1: d and Chris. Is there someone that you feel is
Speaker 1: overrated and overrated, overlooked, Like I'm realizing now that tis
Speaker 1: main influence is an MC. He never mentioned well, not
Speaker 1: that he does interviews. I didn't realize how much of
Speaker 1: a influence that Greg Nice is on TARCI And usually
Speaker 1: Greg Nice isn't the first name that comes to people's
Speaker 1: but I mean Greg Nice is. He's kind of like
Speaker 1: a really great tun official sandwich. Like it's not it's
Speaker 1: not the it's not the food. No, it's not the
Speaker 1: food that you like, like it's not on your last
Speaker 1: meal list, but it's consistent and if me right, it
Speaker 1: hits the spot. But you just overlook it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's exactly That's exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Like Great Nice is in the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame of and and you wouldn't realize that he could
Speaker 1: influence a Black Thought, but hell yeah he could. He
Speaker 1: influenced all of us. He pushed over this area. And
Speaker 1: you know, mhm, I can't explain it, but this ship
Speaker 1: has marginalized that can only be discussed in a in
Speaker 1: a lyric room. How Great Nights can influence Black thought
Speaker 1: is very much so. And he's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: mcs as well. Okay, I got one last organized Confusion record.
Speaker 1: I swear guy, we'll finally get to your solo career
Speaker 1: within the first four hours of this this this question
Speaker 1: I've been dying to know. I have a copy of
Speaker 1: Stress that has different music on Let's Organize, not the
Speaker 1: Patrince Russian sample, but there's another version, less organized with
Speaker 1: tip that I had. I guess I had the press
Speaker 1: copy of this ship. Why was that music change. That
Speaker 1: ship drove me crazy when I first heard it, and
Speaker 1: then when I brought the album it was new music
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait a minute, this isn't the version.
Speaker 1: And I and it's like snuffle up against like was
Speaker 1: it really? Was? It not real? And anybody that's been
Speaker 1: on this show involved with that record? Whatever Tip name?
Speaker 1: I asked, was it me? Or did I remember another
Speaker 1: version of Let's Organized that never made it? It's the
Speaker 1: original versions the version, and we will we have that version.
Speaker 1: I do I could get to see. That's another That's
Speaker 1: another thing that won't ever happen again is we were
Speaker 1: in studios, you know the Drive the studio that was
Speaker 1: in the Drive building getting the name Battery Studios, and
Speaker 1: we were recording and Tip, you know, artists would be
Speaker 1: in different and Tip just heard that beat, came into
Speaker 1: our room and was like, funck, y'all, I'm getting on
Speaker 1: this song. Where's my part? We were and he went
Speaker 1: in and he just you know, vibed it out. You
Speaker 1: know this It got me moving like this, it got
Speaker 1: me moving. I need to be on this song. I
Speaker 1: remember Ericauld being in sessions in there, and again it
Speaker 1: was just people flowing throughout the hallways, and that should
Speaker 1: have never happened again in music. I think mistakenly on
Speaker 1: the same mistakenly but organically happening because of different people
Speaker 1: in different studios. But yeah, we're working on that. It
Speaker 1: was like, y'all gotta get on this song. So that's
Speaker 1: how that happened. Wow. Yeah, I got to hear that, man,
Speaker 1: like I've been dreaming of that moment. Why was it
Speaker 1: changed at the last minute or was that sample yes
Speaker 1: you are, Oh, oh, I don't know, man, I think
Speaker 1: I think it was a label thing. Is you know,
Speaker 1: we need to remix this song or whatever, and you
Speaker 1: know we fell for it, you know, I mean this
Speaker 1: is actually this was the jazz ear more effective. I
Speaker 1: mean I DJ did and people dancing me, so it was.
Speaker 1: It was probably the better decision. But the way y'all
Speaker 1: hooked that beat up on that first join, Prince Poe
Speaker 1: did that beat, man, If I was driving, I would
Speaker 1: have drove two miles per hour into a wall and
Speaker 1: been happy like that. That one was just so incredible, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. In your time off from in between Equinox,
Speaker 1: uh you know, internal rock, internal Fairsure, what were you
Speaker 1: doing during that time? Um. Contemplating my life now, I thought,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna you're gonna recommit, you know, on some
Speaker 1: rocky ships, and you're gonna do it by yourself, then
Speaker 1: you need to really put yourself through the the ringer
Speaker 1: and the test of that. Um, it wasn't a pretentious thing.
Speaker 1: Started working on music. I did some demos. I went
Speaker 1: overseas with Barbato and Cue Unique and destroying those cats
Speaker 1: or we re toward retward Europe. I was by myself.
Speaker 1: I had ad machine and I was like, and you know,
Speaker 1: this is me having a conversation with mine itself. If
Speaker 1: you really bout it about it, you're gonna press that
Speaker 1: det and you're gonna go on stage by yourself, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna see if you about it, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: see if you've got what it takes to be a
Speaker 1: solo artist. Because I really if it wasn't for Prince,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have got into it. Like you know, he
Speaker 1: was the conduit obviously to give me. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not really outgoing like that, and so I needed to
Speaker 1: be like, are you really you know about this ship?
Speaker 1: You need to get up there by yourself and not
Speaker 1: having any money and you know, towards in Europe, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a DJ. I literally had a portable DAT machine. Wow,
Speaker 1: and would be like press play on the portable that
Speaker 1: to my intro and walk out on stage. There was
Speaker 1: no can I ask from one to damn that annoys me?
Speaker 1: How burnensome or annoying to you? At least in the
Speaker 1: last twenty years. Are those four notes from Simon says,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it. I was scared. I mean, it's strange, man.
Speaker 1: It's like, I know a lot of artists talk about
Speaker 1: their disdain for those records. Yeah, and I right, But
Speaker 1: I've I've really embraced the ship. I've braced the love
Speaker 1: of it. I've braced the the way it bought um
Speaker 1: a lot of people from different genres to that records.
Speaker 1: I embraced the festival ship with the record. I embraced
Speaker 1: the novelty of the record. It almost became a novelty
Speaker 1: before the Ship came out. You know, Raucus was late
Speaker 1: to claim it, and Flex was playing it and Puffy
Speaker 1: was walking out to that song at the Garden for
Speaker 1: intro before I was able to be like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this is me, you know, And we had that we
Speaker 1: had push forward the the reclaim the record, you know,
Speaker 1: to grab it. So to answer that question, like I've
Speaker 1: decided to love that fucking song and it's brought me
Speaker 1: pain too, and and and you know with the sample ship,
Speaker 1: but I love the record. Wait, so you you did.
Speaker 1: Can I ask one question? Am I the only human
Speaker 1: being on earth that sort of associates that record and
Speaker 1: that sample that is also on Ladies Sings the Blues?
Speaker 1: And as a person that has watched Lady Sings the
Speaker 1: Blues like twenty times when she's getting when she's getting
Speaker 1: arranged in fingerprinted in the beginning, during the opening credits,
Speaker 1: the music in the background is it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's been used over and over again. Now, the thing
Speaker 1: was that I know when the lawsuit came on it's
Speaker 1: from the Godzilla people in YadA YadA, YadA, whatnot. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I knew that public not public domain,
Speaker 1: that Lady Sings the Blues. And I believe like it
Speaker 1: was almost some Gilbert of Sullivan Bismarck Marquis coming going on,
Speaker 1: where they were trying to go extra hard on you
Speaker 1: from ruining the legacy of this this fictional dragon and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna a minute, so it's it's like, what was
Speaker 1: that whole ordeal? And I got mad James Murdoch questions
Speaker 1: for you as well with succession. But anyway, man, man
Speaker 1: for real, for real, let me yeah, just start with that,
Speaker 1: like when how did that whole thing, the whole lawsuit
Speaker 1: thing comes to be? You know? I was a fucking
Speaker 1: Monster movie buff and fan, and my best friend, who
Speaker 1: was a DJ for Organized Confusion as well, Tostick calls
Speaker 1: me and he's like, yo, I just came back from Tower.
Speaker 1: I got this this CD with with the original ships
Speaker 1: that we used to love back in the days, and
Speaker 1: we used to run on from school to watch the
Speaker 1: four thirty after school movie Ship. I used to have
Speaker 1: a four thirty after school Karate ship, and he used
Speaker 1: to have the four thirty after school Monster Joints with
Speaker 1: GAMMERA and Calm and all of that. I got the
Speaker 1: soundtrack to the sounds and all that stuff that was
Speaker 1: on there, and I was like, I'm coming right down
Speaker 1: right now, and I go down there and I listened
Speaker 1: to it at his house and I just heard like
Speaker 1: some some notes and phrasings, and the whole CD was
Speaker 1: is amazing It's a couple of things that I could
Speaker 1: have chopped off of there, but you know that things
Speaker 1: that that out to me. And it was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: is it this intro? Every DJ loves an intro to
Speaker 1: a song. This is just classic hip hop. And I
Speaker 1: can set it up where I have this intro to
Speaker 1: the song and then this drop on the one, and
Speaker 1: then I'll just rock these four beats, do it in
Speaker 1: through the four beast saying put some drums on it.
Speaker 1: Just rocking in the room and listening in and I'm like,
Speaker 1: did you do that? Was that be sp yes, sir?
Speaker 1: And then that's you know, and then um, I just
Speaker 1: had the four notes and then um, I didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time to set up the intro. That that's where
Speaker 1: Lee Stone comes in. I'm like, I gotta bring you
Speaker 1: the ship and then we go and we work on
Speaker 1: the jigger jigging and and all the rest of the ship.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just yet listen to the record,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, you know what this is. You
Speaker 1: can only fuck this song up. You need to tell
Speaker 1: people what to do. You need to be direct, and
Speaker 1: you need to write. You know, I wanted to write
Speaker 1: a rhyme like like how I felt with kind of
Speaker 1: like l L time that people remember the rhyme and
Speaker 1: you do the rhyme, and everybody saying the rhyme you know,
Speaker 1: up until this point is intricate and it's a lot
Speaker 1: of gymnastics, and people would be staring at me at
Speaker 1: shows like oh nice. But I wanted to write something
Speaker 1: that that you know, the whole crowd is like, I'm him.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm him when I'm saying I said I
Speaker 1: I could do that ship in the Maryland if I
Speaker 1: was doing that song. So those are the two things
Speaker 1: I started with push, come to shove, get the record done,
Speaker 1: and the bare bones of the record, and I take
Speaker 1: it to Raucous and I'm like, I think I got
Speaker 1: one before I made that record. Again, if we put
Speaker 1: it in context of what's happening in and in music
Speaker 1: at that time, at radio and with labels, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the scope of this ship and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think I could. I think I can hang out with
Speaker 1: these guys in my way. Uh, New York City had
Speaker 1: a place to break records, which was the time. Know
Speaker 1: that ship doesn't exist anymore, and so I'm factoring all
Speaker 1: of this in when I'm thinking about the song. You
Speaker 1: need to get this record broke. You need to move people.
Speaker 1: It needs to be hard and it needs to say
Speaker 1: you know a couple of things on it, you know
Speaker 1: that that could change things. It needs to be aggressive anyway.
Speaker 1: I take the record in Headquarters. Piece of Headquarters was
Speaker 1: that raucus at the time. They just went crazy. They
Speaker 1: was like, this ship is crazy. I remember Headquarters. The
Speaker 1: record was done before you even went for Rocus even
Speaker 1: heard it, like it was done before you were signed
Speaker 1: the rockers. No no, no, I was. I was signed,
Speaker 1: and I was you know, I was like, I was
Speaker 1: telling them I could, I could make records that can
Speaker 1: with what is happening on the radio right now an
Speaker 1: hour in my way. You know, I felt like if
Speaker 1: this is the illest things that that's happening right now,
Speaker 1: it was like holla, holla did I'm like, that's cool?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I hated that, damn. So
Speaker 1: you know what, I like it hot like that era
Speaker 1: like Halla, Halla, can I get out all them records?
Speaker 1: Was kind of back then I didn't like it, But
Speaker 1: now hardcore now I like it because you've heard it
Speaker 1: so much. You didn't like it because the radio play
Speaker 1: back to back to back to back to back that
Speaker 1: I didn't like it the first time I heard it.
Speaker 1: Oh damn yeah you Fonte, So yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't like it for the first time. That was it.
Speaker 1: And that's another h I miss Norman, Like all the
Speaker 1: cats that Raucus was, what's fucking with those dudes. It's
Speaker 1: not like we were like hating, you know, I like right,
Speaker 1: but they drew this line and you know, cats that
Speaker 1: I knew on that side was like, yo, we we
Speaker 1: bumping your ship in the in the whip and wow,
Speaker 1: I was with these dudes and they're playing you and
Speaker 1: quality and in most in the car and they're doing
Speaker 1: the ship and they're rocking with y'all shipped too, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a bigger disparity in line
Speaker 1: between the two genres at the time as it was
Speaker 1: made out to be. Of course, I was working with
Speaker 1: Big and Jay and Jabru and all that ship Like
Speaker 1: who who wasn't. I mean, I'm from South Jamaica, queens.
Speaker 1: That being said, raucous, I knew, you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was where I wanted to be and where I
Speaker 1: needed to be and was working on this song. I
Speaker 1: brought the record and I don't mean to be long winded.
Speaker 1: Love the record. I love the They loved the record.
Speaker 1: Jared was like, I don't know about this titty thing.
Speaker 1: You might want to change the titty thing because you
Speaker 1: know the female fans. If you could just go back
Speaker 1: in and re the titty thing. Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1: Every time I saw came on, he was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what am I doing. I was like, what
Speaker 1: y'all doing? I love it. I literally went back into
Speaker 1: the studio because I wasn't a jackass artist. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me let me, you know, see if I could
Speaker 1: rework it. And I was like, funk that ship and
Speaker 1: then leave it how it is. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's an unconventional chorus because it's extra long and all
Speaker 1: the ship and then it gets into some other ship
Speaker 1: with the itty bitty ship like leadership man. It's the feel.
Speaker 1: It feels good you got into and we left it.
Speaker 1: They rocked with it. And I came to them with
Speaker 1: the business side and there was no tories there, like
Speaker 1: business wasn't just executed on a high level. And I
Speaker 1: brought the samples in and whatever, and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't really have to, you know, because
Speaker 1: just about the book, the book, and they dropped the
Speaker 1: ball on the business side. It's not like I hid
Speaker 1: what the funk I was doing. I was like, here's
Speaker 1: the CD. It was the paperwork, here's the ship, Like,
Speaker 1: let's clear a ship. It could pop if you're feeling
Speaker 1: it like that, we need to do it. And it
Speaker 1: was kind of like because you do so you're saying that.
Speaker 1: They just thought like we're raucous, you know, under the radar.
Speaker 1: It's only going to be units. This will sell at
Speaker 1: fat beats and you know, and THENO okay, well I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask like did you have relationships with Brian
Speaker 1: and Jarrett and about to say Rupert James Murdoch at
Speaker 1: the time, because it's only do you watch Succession, Uh,
Speaker 1: the HBO kind of drama about the Murdoch family need
Speaker 1: to a morning. Yeah, like they the character that's playing
Speaker 1: the James guy, like you know he's going through his
Speaker 1: you know, his post hip hop phase. But now that
Speaker 1: I've watched that, like, wait, I'm sorry, connect the dots.
Speaker 1: Wait what are you saying right now? I'm miryor are
Speaker 1: you saying that the Murdochs are connected to Raucus. Is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? James Murdoch, the youngest son of
Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch, is the kind of deceived money for Raucus Records.
Speaker 1: Shut the funk off? Yeah something James. Actually, you know, James,
Speaker 1: I forgot James b. Raucus to Wendy Goldstein. So at
Speaker 1: one point like, yeah, that's how most got on the
Speaker 1: lable quality my ship, like the most conscious rappers. Yea, yeah.
Speaker 1: The irony of it all is that, Yes, the youngest
Speaker 1: Murdoch's song son, James Murdoch was was one of the
Speaker 1: heads of Raucus Records. And I first heard that and
Speaker 1: from an LP song. It was one of his records.
Speaker 1: It was an LP of a company though I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but he had made a mention of and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, like was it on the fun Crusher Plus?
Speaker 1: It might have been on Fun Crusher Plus? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So if you start watching the show's succession,
Speaker 1: which is you know, kind of mirror, it's it's like
Speaker 1: mcdowall's and McDonald's like the family, but that's who it is.
Speaker 1: Like one of their sons was like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: not wiggerish, but you know, he's no the youngest step
Speaker 1: and the hip hop whatever. So I always wondered like
Speaker 1: what the relationship was between the artists and those three
Speaker 1: at the time, because in my head I thought they
Speaker 1: were like that it was strictly a backpack. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize like, how yeah, it was money it was. It
Speaker 1: was heavy money flowing through, you know, not enough money
Speaker 1: to clear samples apparently exactly exactly, so have they handled
Speaker 1: have they handled it? Now? It's like has it been
Speaker 1: cleared or dealt with? Or the song just that does
Speaker 1: not exist anymore unless you already had it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: and it hasn't been cleared. And I own that album
Speaker 1: and I own that record and it's back in my
Speaker 1: possession and thank God for that. And during this pandemic,
Speaker 1: where the butter was that? Are there any plans to
Speaker 1: get the first two UM organized records or streaming or
Speaker 1: are you going through a day loss old thing as
Speaker 1: well with we're only missed the putting those up soon.
Speaker 1: But I just was telling Prince let's let's do the
Speaker 1: ship and a real, you know, ill way and not
Speaker 1: just making it their a bull. Let's let's try and
Speaker 1: shoot something. Let's shoot something for a straight bullet, make
Speaker 1: an announcement and it would be nice. You know, it
Speaker 1: needs to be like, Hi, I'm principal, Hi, I'm farall
Speaker 1: March and we are organized for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that it would be cool. So
Speaker 1: to all the heads out there, it's coming on. We
Speaker 1: just want to do it and honor the catalog. It's
Speaker 1: all we have. You know, it may not be with us,
Speaker 1: some of the catalogs are, but it's ours and I
Speaker 1: want to honor it. And that money gonna come in
Speaker 1: every month. Mm hmm. Wow, it's great. I was about
Speaker 1: to say with the desired record, Um, what was the
Speaker 1: decision process to well, I'm saying grows. It's almost as
Speaker 1: if every one between two thousand four and two thousand
Speaker 1: five was expanding their their creative palette in terms of, um,
Speaker 1: their presentations. So there's a lot more live instrumentation. Was
Speaker 1: that just based on not trying to mess with samples anymore?
Speaker 1: And the whole nightmare of that situation? Like what what
Speaker 1: brought that on? One of my favorites on that record
Speaker 1: was your Terror Doom cover? But thank you Manum probably
Speaker 1: you know, UM looking back. It's uh emotionally and psychologically,
Speaker 1: but more so than that. UM. I had went through
Speaker 1: so much trauma with the sample and the label ship
Speaker 1: and uh Raucus folded and went to m c A
Speaker 1: and then they went over there, and then it was
Speaker 1: that Geffen and then it was this, and I was
Speaker 1: caught up in all that ship. And in the midst
Speaker 1: of that UH, there was there was some almost me
Speaker 1: going with Shady and then Sylvia Rown and then over here,
Speaker 1: and then I was just all over the place. And
Speaker 1: then I finally was like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just try to be a free agent and get out
Speaker 1: of this kind of web. And I was finally able
Speaker 1: to walk from it all. And when I walked from it,
Speaker 1: I felt free again. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I I want to want to do
Speaker 1: this ship again right now in the way that I'm
Speaker 1: used to doing it. And I had a a bevy
Speaker 1: of of songs that I have recorded, and I had love.
Speaker 1: I was on tour with most and Quality was on
Speaker 1: a Sony PlayStation tour with tour buses. I had landed
Speaker 1: UH publishing Gil and I was chilling and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not signed. I don't want to look for a
Speaker 1: record deal. I'm good and Corey Quality is manager at
Speaker 1: the time. Blacksmith was like, you know what you're working on?
Speaker 1: And I put something on the tour bus and I
Speaker 1: played a couple of songs and he lost it and
Speaker 1: he just told me apart and he was like, these
Speaker 1: songs are great, they're not yours. They're given to you
Speaker 1: from a higher places. It's wrong for you to hold
Speaker 1: onto this stuff. What are you doing? You know it's
Speaker 1: not yours to hold on to, Like, what are you
Speaker 1: doing on I don't know. You know, I'm good. I'm
Speaker 1: on tour with with Most and Quade, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just turned off by the record label ship. And
Speaker 1: he really beat me up and was like, and you
Speaker 1: need to give them away? And there was this again
Speaker 1: putting putting music in context. The industry is changing, like
Speaker 1: you said at that time, and I couldn't understand as
Speaker 1: the nineties due the concept of give the what no
Speaker 1: record covered, like what how like no artwork? What do
Speaker 1: you mean give this sh it away? And he was
Speaker 1: really like, it's it's not really yours man, You have fans.
Speaker 1: You need to let it go. How is this like,
Speaker 1: I can't get the concept. I go on to record
Speaker 1: more is it, and I do realize that what I'm
Speaker 1: feeling is, um, I want to uplift, So I incorporate
Speaker 1: h Mila Machinko and Showtime, Showtime because I'm hearing that
Speaker 1: these harmonies can can be uplifting in the song and
Speaker 1: these tones. And I knew that I wanted to performing
Speaker 1: have people feel a certain way because I feel like
Speaker 1: I was let free from my situation. So I was incorporated,
Speaker 1: you know. To answer your question, sorry for being long winded.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to incorporate this instrumentation that can make
Speaker 1: you feel good and get a goose bump, hopefully from
Speaker 1: the law of performance. And that's why the Desire record
Speaker 1: sounds like that. How did you hook up? Man? How?
Speaker 1: What was How did that connection happen? Um? There was
Speaker 1: there was. I was moving back and forth between Shady
Speaker 1: and this and that, and we hooked up and he's
Speaker 1: responsible for a lot of that. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was in Detroit, man, it was one of the best times,
Speaker 1: you know, just being out there with with Black Milk
Speaker 1: and Guilty and Denan and and that whole crew. And uh,
Speaker 1: he sold soulful and he bought a lot of that.
Speaker 1: You know, That's why I gravitated that way because he
Speaker 1: sings and you know, I'm still waiting for that. I
Speaker 1: need that to come out on something like I love
Speaker 1: all Man, Thank you Man. And uh, that's that's why
Speaker 1: I went in that direction, because I'm I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to move people in a in a different way.
Speaker 1: And that being said, the record that most of the
Speaker 1: demo got dropped. When I was in Detroit working with
Speaker 1: de Nan, I was also writing for Puffy. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, So I'm feeling I'm feeling really good
Speaker 1: and I don't have a record deal and I'm just
Speaker 1: fortunate that the norm is helping me out and I'm
Speaker 1: working on music again, feeling really fortunate, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm writing and I'm doing it and I don't
Speaker 1: know where this music is going to go. And there
Speaker 1: was an actual, uh created an actual bidding war just
Speaker 1: to push this forward. It was that's all ce Puff
Speaker 1: was loving what he was hearing because he would ask
Speaker 1: me to play Ship when I was in the studio
Speaker 1: with him, No desire and and uh, the Ship with
Speaker 1: Alchemists and the different songs that was on that album
Speaker 1: people were feeling, and my lawyer was like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that in this context and this time frame that
Speaker 1: you actually have three deals on the table Sony SRC
Speaker 1: and Puff was like, whatever they offer you double that
Speaker 1: ship ship true story, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: believe you. I don't leaders to work there. You know,
Speaker 1: we would have heart to hearts and he would be
Speaker 1: like why, and I'm like, I don't travel mons bad
Speaker 1: boy in the building. I was like, nobody's trunning it. Wait,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask only because you know, there's there's a
Speaker 1: part like Past the Mid Arts two thousand five, two
Speaker 1: thousand six, where you just stopped reading credits. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I always felt in my heart that
Speaker 1: one of them rhymes on Ditti's I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, I didn't want you want to insult you.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, it was the future, right? It was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: wait to see because I always thought that you wrote,
Speaker 1: uh everything. I love the one that Kanye did because
Speaker 1: the way he's I was like like this he's penny, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, y'all don't have this. And I always wanted
Speaker 1: to know, did you go right that joint? Okay? He
Speaker 1: I sat it was the press Play album, right it
Speaker 1: press play press Play sat with him, had to meet
Speaker 1: with him. He was like, I'm working on the album. U.
Speaker 1: I got to meet with him because I had did
Speaker 1: this publishing deal and the writers there and y'all know
Speaker 1: how that go. And my only thing was when when
Speaker 1: I sat with him, I'm like, I'm good. I just
Speaker 1: want to be credited, which is why I don't have
Speaker 1: any problem saying what I'm saying because I'm credited as
Speaker 1: a writer on the song. So it's not like she quiet, right,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay? And then you know, I just again,
Speaker 1: I just I just learned so much from him. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought he he credited me so much on my
Speaker 1: work ethic, but he's really an animal, uh at that
Speaker 1: ship too. And I watched him and and learned about
Speaker 1: applying re applying myself in a different way when it
Speaker 1: comes to my own ship, because I'm like, no way,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work this hard on his ship and not
Speaker 1: work that hard on my ship. And just learned so
Speaker 1: much from him in that sense of how he pushes.
Speaker 1: It's really good at figuring out how to push your
Speaker 1: writer or to push the artists. I love that dude
Speaker 1: for that. So you know what, I want to know
Speaker 1: what that process is like when you're is it like
Speaker 1: does he just take what you give him? Do you
Speaker 1: have to be there to coach him? Like say it
Speaker 1: like this, like how how much work does he put
Speaker 1: into the preparation? Because I mean he pulled it off
Speaker 1: to the point where I was like, Wow, he really
Speaker 1: got good at rapping. And then I was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, this got somebody right for him. And then
Speaker 1: when rhymes checks right, and then when art the rhyme scheme,
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this feels like farrel something Fara
Speaker 1: would say. And I was like, there's no way that
Speaker 1: he reached that deep into the to the rapper bag
Speaker 1: to go that level. But now re and he goes
Speaker 1: in cycles where he's like, Okay, I gotta take it
Speaker 1: back to the beginning. Like even right now as we speak,
Speaker 1: he I hope I'm not letting this cat out the
Speaker 1: bag like he's trying to make. He's now making like
Speaker 1: Camp Diddy where it's like he has two underground cats,
Speaker 1: like he's trying to go back there again. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, He doesn't you got to realize who
Speaker 1: he discovered. Yeah, the end of the day, you got
Speaker 1: to realize who was written. You know, you know we
Speaker 1: could we could, you know. Even having conversations with him
Speaker 1: off the rip, he was like, I know what they
Speaker 1: can say about me. I'm like, what did they say?
Speaker 1: He said they'd be in the barbershops and they'd be like,
Speaker 1: I funk with his jeans and I don't funk with
Speaker 1: his music and his music wait, I can see that
Speaker 1: I was. I was once a short John model, because
Speaker 1: I do want to know the answer to the question
Speaker 1: of the process that you asked the mirror about, like
Speaker 1: what is that process like? And were you in the
Speaker 1: studio and there for like all the infections and when
Speaker 1: it again in those hearts the hearts, he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you have an issue, tell me to my face
Speaker 1: and be honest with me. And that's why I took
Speaker 1: the job. It's been a lot of ships that a
Speaker 1: lot of things that I was offered in my career,
Speaker 1: which is where I'm in a position not in the
Speaker 1: higher because it's not I could beat that. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's just not in my heart to do it. But
Speaker 1: when he told me that I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: nig if you're dontna be that raw and you're gonna
Speaker 1: be that honest, then then let's do it. And he
Speaker 1: played me the beats and it was like had it
Speaker 1: the long I'm like, oh shit, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is what the A lists beat sounded like. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this music is good. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: So he flies me down the Miami and I'm writing
Speaker 1: and I'm writing and I'm writing and were nailing the ship,
Speaker 1: and then the engineers are and then and there like
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this is crazy, this is crazy. He's
Speaker 1: gonna love this. And he here coming in in the
Speaker 1: loving hour and be like me, maybe the last four bars,
Speaker 1: you know, going into the thing could be could be
Speaker 1: a rewrite. And we you know, we were hard on stuff.
Speaker 1: So I got it done. You know. There was some
Speaker 1: some great stories down there in Miami. Again, what was
Speaker 1: it like recording Dow not going there. I was working
Speaker 1: on my album with the non at the same time,
Speaker 1: and I really was like, I want to finish this
Speaker 1: so I could go back to the Detroit and finish
Speaker 1: my ship. And he was like, yo, your ship is
Speaker 1: amazing as well. You might want to thank this out
Speaker 1: bom bom, boom boom. I finished my writing. I flew
Speaker 1: to Detroit and we're working on my stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: in the studio with the Non. Maybe Milk may be
Speaker 1: guilty with chilling and with writing, and I'm I'm having
Speaker 1: some whiskey and I get a call from Shawn C
Speaker 1: and he says, my brother, I think Puffy is gonna
Speaker 1: use one of your joints. Is the first single, first
Speaker 1: release kind of And I'm like, you gotta be fucking
Speaker 1: shipping me, and he's like, you gotta hear it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, send it to me, and they send
Speaker 1: me the song and the Non has this elaborate studio.
Speaker 1: He puts it in, puts it on, puts it on
Speaker 1: the big sneak speakers and press play and all you
Speaker 1: can hear his laughter. Everybody in the studio is laughing
Speaker 1: at the top of the lungs because it sounds like
Speaker 1: Farrell Match coming out of Puffy's mouth. Yes, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I actually did it, you know what for?
Speaker 1: I did it with a New York swagger on the
Speaker 1: demos and it's kind of laid back in it, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of has like a lot of flavor that I
Speaker 1: don't even you know, uh project back then, that's not
Speaker 1: where I was with it. And it was so ill.
Speaker 1: So he said, if you have an issue, you can
Speaker 1: call me. So I was like, I gotta get him
Speaker 1: on the phone. I want to fly back. I want
Speaker 1: to re record his vocals. I want to fly back
Speaker 1: to New York and when I go in with him
Speaker 1: and re record these vocals. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta get him on the phone. And they just steady
Speaker 1: laughing and just laughing in the background, and I'm calling
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hello is Fararell? Can I speak to Puff?
Speaker 1: And it's like Farrell who what? Like Farrel can spa
Speaker 1: hold on? Who? What? Farrel? Okay hold on? Finally get
Speaker 1: through to him and I'm like, just listen to the record.
Speaker 1: I think we could re record these vocals more laid
Speaker 1: and relaxed. And he was like, fuck you man, I
Speaker 1: love this ship. I'm not changing it. Yeah, what what
Speaker 1: do you think made you go with um? You know,
Speaker 1: a goal with SRC, rather than going with bad Boy
Speaker 1: or going with like Sony. You know you said something,
Speaker 1: what what how did you choose them? I mean I
Speaker 1: know what that record was sounding like it was Denon
Speaker 1: and I don't you know you're not would be like,
Speaker 1: explain to me how do how does would work? And
Speaker 1: you know it's like I could walk you on the MTV,
Speaker 1: I could do this after today, And this was like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think it fits the aesthetic unless something
Speaker 1: else is kind of created. And I love that dude,
Speaker 1: and I would have loved to have worked with him
Speaker 1: under his tutelage and got all that extra kind of love,
Speaker 1: but I just didn't think it's fit. There was that
Speaker 1: your last experience in the writing, because did you write
Speaker 1: some more for other funks? I quit after that. It's
Speaker 1: such it's so taxing. You give all of your heart
Speaker 1: to and soul and it just this is kind of
Speaker 1: training in a way. Can I ask if you say,
Speaker 1: who did you say no to? If I'm allowed to ask,
Speaker 1: did he can't be the only person that asked you
Speaker 1: to hook up his pen um? I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, just yes or no?
Speaker 1: Are these like rappers that we would respect that we'd
Speaker 1: be shocked at? Or is it like a list celebrities
Speaker 1: that want to wrap based on that already know the answer?
Speaker 1: Never mind? And I bline think I knew the answer,
Speaker 1: but anyway, uh wow wow ba. So like once you
Speaker 1: talk to talk to me about like after you left,
Speaker 1: you know, after Desire and then the years think like
Speaker 1: the four years, uh three or four years when you
Speaker 1: came with the War LP. Um, how's it like to
Speaker 1: get your mind frame of being ready to be an
Speaker 1: independent artist and like really like doing it yourself in
Speaker 1: a way that you had never had prior to any
Speaker 1: point in your career. After the Desire album, Steve Riskin
Speaker 1: and we went back and Steve loved the record. Yea.
Speaker 1: He was telling me him and his wife at the
Speaker 1: time was it was something that they played and they
Speaker 1: they had sex to and it was really not not
Speaker 1: on some real ship. Like he was like really and
Speaker 1: he was very disappointed. I think, um when he had
Speaker 1: sex the War record, No, No, No Desire six to
Speaker 1: the War six to the War record, that's an X
Speaker 1: videos channel. Okay, my bad, my bad, me and a
Speaker 1: mortal technique and um so he uh, he was like,
Speaker 1: I loved this record and UM roped it and I
Speaker 1: was in the system in which uh I believe that
Speaker 1: that in that two week frame, little Wayne dropped the
Speaker 1: Lollipop record and that ship shut. It's shut everything down.
Speaker 1: I think it like killed Erica had America. I think
Speaker 1: at the time, from what I could see from my optics,
Speaker 1: it's just soaked up all of the moneys from everywhere
Speaker 1: and they put all their money on on that ship
Speaker 1: and we kind of got yeah. But that being said,
Speaker 1: I tore it off that record. I did Rock the
Speaker 1: Bells off that record, and um, it was very well received,
Speaker 1: and I saw a different level of fans coming in.
Speaker 1: I remember being on Rock the Bells over the Seas
Speaker 1: where NAS and Daylight and the Elevator, and I was
Speaker 1: talking to NS and I said, yo, you know I
Speaker 1: put this out, and you know, head seemed a little
Speaker 1: disappointed that I had, you know, the singing in this
Speaker 1: and and nos imposters like, don't worry. These things are
Speaker 1: like children. They grow, they mature. Talk to me three
Speaker 1: years from now and see what it's like. So when
Speaker 1: I asked people desires is I was up there and
Speaker 1: my my solo ship that that people vibe was still
Speaker 1: brought in new fans, and I was starting to learn that, um,
Speaker 1: that's okay as I'm moving forward. So I go back
Speaker 1: to Steve and then that moment when we're going into
Speaker 1: the new record. I was like, yo, h, I got
Speaker 1: these samples and ship, and I want to do some
Speaker 1: rock ship and I want to do some this ship
Speaker 1: and that ship was like nah. And now I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to leave them and I want to be
Speaker 1: on the label and then let me go because we're
Speaker 1: all mature and whatever and whatever. And gar Route, my
Speaker 1: manager at the time, was like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: this major label ship went over people's heads. You know,
Speaker 1: you're telling me. People see you in the mall and
Speaker 1: they're like, you're still wrapping, and I'm like, I'm on
Speaker 1: the major you know. It was connecting something. They're connecting
Speaker 1: and the labels is changing and it's going digital, and
Speaker 1: then missing it. We decided to go and depend it,
Speaker 1: learn on the Tulge tutelage of duck Down, and get
Speaker 1: the game from somebody who's been doing it for twenty
Speaker 1: five years, you know, and not just jump into the game.
Speaker 1: And we talked to them and we went there and
Speaker 1: we did the The War record, which again um for me,
Speaker 1: you know, for my lens, did better than the Desire
Speaker 1: record because we had a record on their uh, I
Speaker 1: had a record on their called Still Standing with Jill Scott. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that performed extremely well overseas and kept me out on
Speaker 1: the road, which is obviously the only way I was
Speaker 1: making money at the time, the only way I could
Speaker 1: earn so I was enjoying staying on the road. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then as we did Black Hand Side, we shot
Speaker 1: the Black Handside video with that was man, that was
Speaker 1: you were the one you introduced me to Terrence Dance,
Speaker 1: who is the director of uh Random Acts of Flytness
Speaker 1: on HBO and he's also and he's one of one
Speaker 1: of his homies is also. Um, I don't think he
Speaker 1: was on set that day, but because man, Shaka King,
Speaker 1: I don't know you you know, Shaker, Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it was the mind who did the upcoming Fred
Speaker 1: Hampton joint. But but now, man, I really the videos
Speaker 1: that y'all did for that record, I just I would
Speaker 1: remember just telling guy, you know, because we shot our
Speaker 1: video the Black hand Side joint with styles P. But
Speaker 1: before that, y'all shot Clap and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: these ships is like movies, dude, and you know, it
Speaker 1: always just made me think of you and just one
Speaker 1: if you ever had any aspirations of going in the
Speaker 1: screen righting because seeing you be a perfect fit of
Speaker 1: the ship man. I wrote all of those. I wrote
Speaker 1: the concept for black Hand Side with the through the
Speaker 1: different lens of the shades. I wrote the concept for
Speaker 1: Clap and Still Standing. And obviously I was lucky enough
Speaker 1: to hook up with turn Nance, who's fucking genius saying
Speaker 1: is going to do incredible and insane major major things.
Speaker 1: But I was lucky to fall into that that lane
Speaker 1: with him and his cinematographer Sean and get those visuals done,
Speaker 1: which really really helped the record a lot. Farrell, Uh
Speaker 1: so we we we got here, foling in three hours.
Speaker 1: Um explained to me the concept behind the Third Team project. Damn,
Speaker 1: you're gonna steal my one question, all right, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Steve asked your question. I mean, I love Darue Jones
Speaker 1: and Marcus Machado. Um, and yet if you could just
Speaker 1: tell us about the trio, but um, specifically, why you
Speaker 1: chose a drummer drums and guitar as as the other
Speaker 1: two parts as your back drup You know, of course,
Speaker 1: you know the rock thing has been sprinkled throughout. You know,
Speaker 1: I had some ill samples that that didn't make the
Speaker 1: record of stuff that I was rocking over and I realized, um,
Speaker 1: if I if I wanted people to take me a
Speaker 1: little bit more serious, and me even saying that word
Speaker 1: that I needed to incorporate musicians. I likened it to
Speaker 1: somebody from the rock side saying he's going to do
Speaker 1: an authentic hip hop record, and how everybody on this
Speaker 1: side would be like, yeah, the funk out of here,
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I wanted I wanted to at
Speaker 1: least get a look on that side. I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of the genre and I respect the genre, and I
Speaker 1: know people have tried to I've done these types of
Speaker 1: matchups before, so uh, I wanted someone who had who
Speaker 1: could who could do the the late Diller ship as
Speaker 1: well as had rock chops, because a lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff with straight ahead, and I knew it should be
Speaker 1: more straight ahead than more laid back in the pocket,
Speaker 1: you know. Thinking about what I wanted, and I wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, get somebody who who can understand that. And
Speaker 1: you know, I know how busy Daru is, but I
Speaker 1: was like, fucking yo, I'm doing this project and I
Speaker 1: need a bit of commitment, and I know cats are
Speaker 1: always digging, but he was like, I'm down and and
Speaker 1: that was, like, you know, one of the main things
Speaker 1: because I needed to do obviously a couple of straight
Speaker 1: live records to make it makes sense. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: I wanted it to keep the temperament and not lose
Speaker 1: hip hop because that's the core of the ship still.
Speaker 1: It's the reason why I like the genre. You know,
Speaker 1: to begin with your talking Rush and Savage and Zeppelin,
Speaker 1: you know, that's all shoult I would rhyme over. You know.
Speaker 1: I heard Tom Sawyer and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: any mc wh wouldn't want to rhyme over that. So
Speaker 1: to me, I'm like, that's that's hip hop to me.
Speaker 1: And it's always been the genres kind of blend in
Speaker 1: to each other for me. Um, So I knew that
Speaker 1: was very important to bringing the Knots so that the
Speaker 1: cities official in terms of that pocket, but then able
Speaker 1: to expand outside of where what you would get and
Speaker 1: an intro and outro of the records so we could
Speaker 1: stretch a little bit. So that's what that's all about.
Speaker 1: On the musical side, what is the what is your
Speaker 1: almost this phone called it obsession with the number thirteen
Speaker 1: Because you're publishing a dress good deck of overa which
Speaker 1: is fear of the number thirteen. So that, yeah, what's that?
Speaker 1: That that recurring kind of theme in your career. So
Speaker 1: with with the asthma ship, when I when I got
Speaker 1: it and when I was little, I contracted it at
Speaker 1: thirteen months m of of of of of age, and
Speaker 1: that's what I would hear all the time. People would
Speaker 1: be like, how long has it been since he had asthma?
Speaker 1: And my mom has been like since he was thirteen
Speaker 1: months old? And I, you know, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: stuck in my head like that. And then as you know,
Speaker 1: I went on, I was born on Halloween, which is
Speaker 1: thirty one, and the number just kept recurring. And then
Speaker 1: I'm a big sports fan and then a lot of
Speaker 1: the players that I like water number. So when when
Speaker 1: me and Prince picked numbers, you know, his favorite number
Speaker 1: was eight. We played on the high school basketball team
Speaker 1: in art school, so it wasn't really that good, um
Speaker 1: and third team was my number, and so it stuck
Speaker 1: with me. And that's just the basis behind that, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's cool to to to do the awkward ship
Speaker 1: and just I think it's hip hop to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be bad luck, but fuck it. And
Speaker 1: it's also rock to be like supposed to be bad.
Speaker 1: Look that's what is about. Okay, So not the totally
Speaker 1: weird y'all out. Okay, So you know, as of this recording,
Speaker 1: I don't know when this will hit the air, but
Speaker 1: as of this recording, UM, I just celebrated a birthday
Speaker 1: and someone was gracious enough to gift me, um a medium,
Speaker 1: a three hour session with a medium and nice. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was deep man. No no no, they're all not nice,
Speaker 1: not nice for okay, No, no, no, I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: amazing thing that m Yeah. You know, I've also been
Speaker 1: looking at my my my lineage and my bloodline, which um,
Speaker 1: the beneating people of Africa are also connected to Haitians.
Speaker 1: And so I'm slowly just discovering that there is a
Speaker 1: lot of propaganda with the number thirteen and also the
Speaker 1: number six, which of course, you know, we we've been
Speaker 1: taught kind of post colonial Christian America that you know
Speaker 1: six six is the market, the beast and signed the devil,
Speaker 1: and there's no thirteen floor anywhere, none of those things.
Speaker 1: And I'm slowly realizing, uh, in my my, my studies,
Speaker 1: especially in Haitian culture that thirteen is actually a holy number.
Speaker 1: And it's almost as if you know, the propaganda that
Speaker 1: that's been used to sort of to tear you away
Speaker 1: from uh embracing it. Say it's evil, Say but it's
Speaker 1: actually actually a very spiritual. It's it's for African culture.
Speaker 1: It's it's a spiritual number. So everything y'all do is bad.
Speaker 1: God damn. Yeah. So I'm realizing this year that actually
Speaker 1: we need to embrace the number thirteen. Which when I
Speaker 1: saw that the name of the group, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: he took my number. Man, I didn't know that number.
Speaker 1: Damn it. Did you did you know Marcus or did
Speaker 1: Darry bring him aboard or to you? I knew Marcus
Speaker 1: from you know, Vernon Red and those cats and um
Speaker 1: family stand and he grew up around those people, and
Speaker 1: you know, when it came to you know, I need
Speaker 1: you know, I need someone who could take it there
Speaker 1: and you know, do some double time or you know,
Speaker 1: do some funk. You know. His he he was a dude,
Speaker 1: and uh, I've seen him play and it was like
Speaker 1: you know, blue note and I was like he got that.
Speaker 1: I just needed to see if he had the the
Speaker 1: edge and uh, you know, obviously he's a Jimmy fan
Speaker 1: and and I even needed it a little more edgier
Speaker 1: than that. He's just that dude, like he's he's a prodigy,
Speaker 1: like I asked for. We're still in the beginning stages,
Speaker 1: so we don't know, but I asked for two dudes
Speaker 1: who could if we break this ceiling. And people be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know any of these guys. I don't know
Speaker 1: they're fucking rapper. I don't know any of them, are
Speaker 1: you know, run the juice style. I wanted people to
Speaker 1: be like, I'm here for the guitarists, I'm here for
Speaker 1: the drummer. The vocalist is cool. And I asked for
Speaker 1: you know, catch that can shine like that because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the goal is to take away the pretentiousness
Speaker 1: of what you get. You know, like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to deconstruct and I just got tired of staying
Speaker 1: dudes in the front with whatever, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: need to see a team. So I told them, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want my name on this ship at all,
Speaker 1: but obviously because of algorithms, the algorithm, yeah, you know that,
Speaker 1: like we gotta put Farrell in here somewhere to take
Speaker 1: advantage of your millions of people who have locked into
Speaker 1: you on Spotify and all that ships. So that's what
Speaker 1: that's about. But if it was up to me, I
Speaker 1: would have just been like thirteen. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not as stupid to run away from what I've been
Speaker 1: working on for thirty years. So that's why my name
Speaker 1: is even on this ship. You know, can you break
Speaker 1: down because I think a mere asked you, but when
Speaker 1: you never got a chance to answer about the concept
Speaker 1: of the group, and even I mean the videos, there
Speaker 1: is a concept, there's a focus, it's a yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just anybody who who has a brain and any empathy,
Speaker 1: you could just feel that, Uh, the system in the
Speaker 1: country is way heavy on our spirit and when you
Speaker 1: think about how do you get back to zero, you
Speaker 1: know it's going to be some hard, stass discussions that
Speaker 1: need to happen because of the atrocities that that this
Speaker 1: country is founded on. And so you know, in my
Speaker 1: mind as an MC, I'm like, you know, the only
Speaker 1: real way to do that ship, the only real way
Speaker 1: to atone collectively is an exorcism, even if it's with
Speaker 1: ourselves and I as an MC. I know people would
Speaker 1: hear that word and be like ohh And I was like, good,
Speaker 1: you should be scared because this ship is scary that's
Speaker 1: going on. But it's kind of like the It's kind
Speaker 1: of like the cleansing too, you know. And it's been
Speaker 1: cathartic for me as well doing it. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: we've been coomed by Yond and praying and all that
Speaker 1: shipped for a long time now on holding hands, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to like it myself and be like,
Speaker 1: let's just come at this to like real dark and
Speaker 1: meet the ship head on how it's coming at us,
Speaker 1: because you know, to keep information from people and too,
Speaker 1: you know, not allow people to have loans to get
Speaker 1: homes and all. The secret ship that's been going on
Speaker 1: for all these years is pretty evil, you know, point blank.
Speaker 1: And um, I was like, how about we we we
Speaker 1: come down to that vibration. I know, it's like light
Speaker 1: signs on the dark leg. I'm like, how about we
Speaker 1: go there and throw this system a little voodoo and
Speaker 1: get a little dark with the ship motherfucker's back in
Speaker 1: the face. Hey, I have one last question before we
Speaker 1: wrap up, Okay, okay, Yeah, because I feel like I'll
Speaker 1: get roasted for not asking this question because we asked
Speaker 1: about like your history, and we asked about your records
Speaker 1: and your business decisions. But the one thing I never
Speaker 1: asked um was your actual creative process, Like, can you
Speaker 1: just give us a you know? And I know the
Speaker 1: mcas and artists have general you know, it just comes
Speaker 1: when the spirit hits me. But do you have a
Speaker 1: do you have a specific ritual? Like, uh, do you
Speaker 1: get up in the morning, do you like what is
Speaker 1: your what is your ritual when you are creating a song?
Speaker 1: Does it come instantly? I'm a sponge. I love good conversation.
Speaker 1: I love talking to people who who are way more
Speaker 1: educated than I am and listening to them and talking
Speaker 1: to them and and and sponging and film and I
Speaker 1: sponge off of films like this. This, this whole project
Speaker 1: is probably off of Fury Road, Logan and Joker in
Speaker 1: the sense that you look at the commitment that I
Speaker 1: looked at the commitment that Joaquin Phoenix made to that
Speaker 1: film and literally went back in the studios like I
Speaker 1: gotta redo versus I need you to be more committed.
Speaker 1: You were one of the first simcs I'll say to
Speaker 1: man like you were on the first cast that I
Speaker 1: really someone I respected at the time of hip hop
Speaker 1: when everybody was trying to be j and I get
Speaker 1: it in one tape, Guru, you know what I'm saying, Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I just got it in one take. I got in
Speaker 1: one take. You were one of the first casts I
Speaker 1: remember hearing saying like, no, I treat my vocals like
Speaker 1: a performance or you know, treating almost like an actor
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, if I got to do
Speaker 1: it to three times, or even if it's like comping
Speaker 1: and just okay, I want to do this line right here,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was so mind
Speaker 1: blowing to me, and it just opened me up because
Speaker 1: that was in rap world. That was thought of something
Speaker 1: that was just so like, oh you don't do that.
Speaker 1: We just come in and wrapping. That's it. It was
Speaker 1: never thought of as being a performance and treating it,
Speaker 1: you know, like a voice actor would m In the beginning,
Speaker 1: because you know, we couldn't afford studio to time. It
Speaker 1: was like you gotta knocked that ship out with with
Speaker 1: two mcs on one microphone. You know, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: as we keep going back to context, but now it's like,
Speaker 1: do you believe yourself? You know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: listen back to the ship. If you ain't convincing you,
Speaker 1: you definitely ain't gonna convince Fonte, Black Thought, Royce Quest
Speaker 1: or anybody else. So just listen and see if it's
Speaker 1: cutting through in that sense and if I if I
Speaker 1: could get the yeah, I think I got it and
Speaker 1: I could let it go. And it's not wrong with that.
Speaker 1: Like even after Nicki Minaj came out and I noticed
Speaker 1: how the way they were producing vocals, which we we
Speaker 1: we you know, that's a part of making the record.
Speaker 1: You know, they took that ship to a whole another level.
Speaker 1: And even on some of the songs or some of
Speaker 1: these songs, I'm like, I need to, you know, produce
Speaker 1: the vocals. Am I am I getting young? Am I
Speaker 1: giving away? In? Nah? Dude, man, this is what it is.
Speaker 1: Showing the different aspects of the art too, because like
Speaker 1: Fonte said, a lot of people do just think you
Speaker 1: dope if you can get it out of one take.
Speaker 1: People didn't even think that, Wait a minute, let's treat
Speaker 1: this like art. So no, thank you for that. Now
Speaker 1: that's real now, and he's one of the most I've
Speaker 1: never worked with much in the studio, but the times
Speaker 1: we have were, you know, we've just send each other
Speaker 1: stuff whatever. I mean, he is just one of the
Speaker 1: most particulous. Like I remember you sent me back your
Speaker 1: verse for the week Go Off record we did for
Speaker 1: my album, and you send me that ship that I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this is Nigga doing sound effects. He
Speaker 1: got it, but it was that it was just what
Speaker 1: the funk, you know, I needed and that was what
Speaker 1: I called you like to do just that, And you
Speaker 1: know that was the time I remember, like when we
Speaker 1: was back in I think, man, this was even before
Speaker 1: Mistrell Show came out, because you were one of the
Speaker 1: cats that we were thinking about putting on on Hide
Speaker 1: in place. UM. Me and Paul was talking, you know,
Speaker 1: about putting you on that record and um and you
Speaker 1: came to Raleigh, I think it came to Durham and
Speaker 1: we went and got some seafood or something. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but we were just talking and he was telling me
Speaker 1: about the time Desired was about to come out, and
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, man, the new ship coming. I'm
Speaker 1: about to be like Tom Jones on this bitch. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You talking about you know, the
Speaker 1: Body the Body Baby record. I mean, but uh but yeah,
Speaker 1: you hear artists and they don't fit. It's all good
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to be, like let's see if this
Speaker 1: guy fits this puzzle and the ship has to work
Speaker 1: like you know, that's an as supposed to be like
Speaker 1: you know, yeah man, yeah, but everything we've done, like
Speaker 1: all the records, like you ever stopped before, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: any time I have a chance to rhyme with you,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, just say the word, I'm there whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't care to produced that, I don't care what
Speaker 1: it is, like, I'm going ahead to head. And I
Speaker 1: just always appreciated the way that you just always you know,
Speaker 1: I could I always tell like the I think when
Speaker 1: we did the Black Hand Side video, that was probably
Speaker 1: the first time that I really saw and I mean
Speaker 1: this like in a in you know, in a in
Speaker 1: a very beautiful way, just how sensitive of an artist
Speaker 1: you were and not like oh man, I'm sensitive, not
Speaker 1: like that, but just how intuitive I guess you were
Speaker 1: and how you know it was. And it wasn't even
Speaker 1: on the music ship. It was just, um, we was talking.
Speaker 1: I never get this, bro. We was talking and I
Speaker 1: think we had finished shooting for the day. We don't
Speaker 1: have like one scene left or something. But this was
Speaker 1: around the time when, man, don't I think they hate
Speaker 1: like Kadafi. This was when all that ship was popping
Speaker 1: on with Kadafi and his son had got killed or
Speaker 1: some ship. It was something I'm I'm all the history
Speaker 1: people listening to this interview, please don't crucify me. But
Speaker 1: I just remember someone on set came in and delivered
Speaker 1: that news and you were just sitting in this chair
Speaker 1: and you just looked up and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: they killed Kadafi's son. And I just would never get
Speaker 1: to look in your face like you was just like, yo, boy,
Speaker 1: the crackers ain't shit. Goddamn. He was that look. He
Speaker 1: was like yo. But I just remember seeing that and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, like you really, you know when
Speaker 1: you said like a sponge. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you really, I saw that quality in you, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a cool thing to even say,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. And I love this ship. Man.
Speaker 1: I love I love you, I love I love little brother,
Speaker 1: I love you. I love. I love the roots and
Speaker 1: it's cool to say that, like I'm a hand frind,
Speaker 1: you know, not bro, when you came, man, when we
Speaker 1: did d C, like we was like one of the
Speaker 1: last kind of shows we did before you know, everything
Speaker 1: shut down. You know, we had booked d C the
Speaker 1: same night, and I hit you. I hit you. I
Speaker 1: was like, Bro, I had no idea this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So I didn't even find out two afterwards and so
Speaker 1: I hit you. You were doing the Kennedy Center. We
Speaker 1: were at Howard Theater and I was like, Yo, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come through. I'm talking to guy and then I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm coming through, and I'm you know, Pharaoh show. Sorry
Speaker 1: that for a second, you was doing the Kennedy Center. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, damn right. You know what I mean. He was,
Speaker 1: he was in that thing. So no, man, I came
Speaker 1: over and like rock with you and and you know,
Speaker 1: and then you know, afterwards, I was like, Yo, we're
Speaker 1: going to LB show and so y'all came over and
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to talk out forwards. But Bro,
Speaker 1: I never got chance to tell you. Man, that ship
Speaker 1: meant so much for me and poole to be on
Speaker 1: stage and we're looking in the back and you don't
Speaker 1: normally in the back. It might be just whoever, right,
Speaker 1: but we're looking like behind where the DJ is, and
Speaker 1: it's you. I think fame was back there from MLP
Speaker 1: guys back there, like it's all these dudes that we
Speaker 1: grew up listening to watching us. And I remember Guy
Speaker 1: was asking me before, he said, man, you know, if
Speaker 1: you want much to come on, you know, just just
Speaker 1: you know we got you. I said, no, bro, like
Speaker 1: maunch fame. I said, Man, let them niggas be fans tonight, bro, Like,
Speaker 1: just dang out, you know what I mean, just let
Speaker 1: them chill, you know what I mean? And that meant
Speaker 1: so much. I wish I could have been in the
Speaker 1: audience that it was so packing that motherfucker I couldn't
Speaker 1: even go out there, like I you know, if you
Speaker 1: know when I would have been a problem. You know.
Speaker 1: But like I said, man, you know not, you know,
Speaker 1: fuck it like flowers, flowers, flowers, you know for what everybody,
Speaker 1: it's dope that just be a fan fan. It's fun
Speaker 1: to be a fan fan, you know, So get love.
Speaker 1: It's dope here, brothers, give love for real. For love,
Speaker 1: we we evolved, Niles go to therapy, They'll tell me
Speaker 1: last week. So yeah, hey, if you love me too,
Speaker 1: I gotta sugar Steve Action figure for you for your
Speaker 1: top shelf over there are you probably do? I don't
Speaker 1: think he probably does joke. But but no, Bro, I
Speaker 1: mean I've told you tip top of good. But now, Bro,
Speaker 1: you would like one of the greatest like to ever
Speaker 1: do this ship and you're always MC That makes me,
Speaker 1: you know, sends me back to the drawing board and
Speaker 1: I hear I'm just like, holy shit, like I gotta
Speaker 1: step it up again, and uh to be able to
Speaker 1: maintain that intensity for the last thirty fucking years, I mean,
Speaker 1: and and with no signs of decline or slipping off.
Speaker 1: For you know, I got you know, I posted early.
Speaker 1: I bought the thirteen record. I had a chance listen
Speaker 1: to it yet because I've been like just running around
Speaker 1: all day. But uh, but no, man, just from what
Speaker 1: I heard, you know, I mean, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mantes doing monster balls, this ship is yeah, the visuals,
Speaker 1: everything is on point, man, And I just want to
Speaker 1: give your flowers just say thank you for always showing
Speaker 1: me that love. I love you. Spanking you upmost brother. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Prior to the pandemic, I was I was difficult with compliments.
Speaker 1: After this ship, I'm so good. Yeah, we get your flowers. Man,
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this episode. It's definitely uh, you know,
Speaker 1: one one for the record books, one one for our
Speaker 1: or what do you call it? Check off the bucket
Speaker 1: the bucket list, right. I was about to say a
Speaker 1: notch in the bed post. Oh no, exactly. You guys
Speaker 1: looking good over there, Mr looking Yeah. But thanks, thank
Speaker 1: you for doing the show, man. I really appreciate it,
Speaker 1: um man, and I'm I'm on it man. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys for having me. I need this. I got a
Speaker 1: new record out. We we we we. This's the first
Speaker 1: week we came in at sixteen. We did the tiny desks.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff flowing. So I appreciate this, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate it. Man. Shout out the guy
Speaker 1: for looking it up. Shout my brother guy. Man, like
Speaker 1: absolutely all right, I want be half of pay Bill
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