Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody.
Speaker 2: It's a Fantasy pros Dynasty Fantasy football podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: Scott Bagman. Follow me on the Twitter at Bogman Sports.
Speaker 2: I'm joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris at Fits Underscore
Speaker 2: FF and Derek Brown at Debro Underscore FF. On this
Speaker 2: episode today, we are going to be discussing the Senior
Speaker 2: Bowl risers and follers, and to do that, of course
Speaker 2: Deebro is here with us.
Speaker 1: He was just at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: FITZI you watched the Senior Bowl, paid attention to all
Speaker 2: the practices. It's always a fun event. What is your
Speaker 2: relationship with the Senior Ball? How many have you watched?
Speaker 2: Have you been watching the whole time? Because I like,
Speaker 2: I remember a mir Abdulah winning player of the game
Speaker 2: on this thing, like a lot of older prospects. But
Speaker 2: your thoughts about the Senior Bowl, Yeah, it's always fun.
Speaker 3: I got to get back. I've not been to one
Speaker 3: since the nineteen nineties. Wow's how long it's been. When
Speaker 3: I was at Pro Football Weekly a long time ago.
Speaker 3: So I miss sitting out and soaking up the rays
Speaker 3: at lad People's Stadium like Debro was able to do.
Speaker 3: And you know, hitting the eating and drinking establishments on
Speaker 3: Dophin Street at night. Mobile is a really cool town,
Speaker 3: really cool town and fit.
Speaker 1: You were there before the internet, so were there in
Speaker 1: the nineties.
Speaker 4: So it was, I mean it was it was different.
Speaker 3: Like I was seeing a lot of shots of the
Speaker 3: stands and Deebro and those guys in Like the stands
Speaker 3: were I won't say they were filled, but there were
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the stands.
Speaker 4: The year I went, no one was in the stands.
Speaker 4: Everyone was just on the field.
Speaker 3: The stands were like where, Yeah, the stands were where
Speaker 3: like new newly hired head coaches would take assistant coaches
Speaker 3: to go and like talk to them and offer them
Speaker 3: jobs and stuff like go for a private conversation in
Speaker 3: the stands. There was no one actually sitting there watching
Speaker 3: the practices.
Speaker 2: And people would kind of whisper too because they didn't
Speaker 2: want to interrupt the coaches and stuff. I had that
Speaker 2: at the Arizona Fall League out here. I went in
Speaker 2: like two thousand and seven and the only people in
Speaker 2: the crowd were the players, go friends and wives.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: They're all reading books, right, and I'm sitting there like
Speaker 2: Kim or maybe it's gonna be pretty good, you know.
Speaker 4: So you're there with your speed gun and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, me and the four other scouts that are there, right,
Speaker 2: But Debro, you were there. You were at the Senior
Speaker 2: Bawl and it has become a large event. I mean,
Speaker 2: NFL Network covers practices every single day. There's media sessions
Speaker 2: every day too, So I know this is like your
Speaker 2: third or fourth too. Just tell us what your experience
Speaker 2: of the Senior Ball has been and how important it
Speaker 2: is to the process.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I mean, look this my third You're doing
Speaker 5: it second year with Fantasy pros covering the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 5: and it gets better every single year. Jim Naggy's blowing
Speaker 5: it out, man, like it is it is now, and
Speaker 5: I think it's going to continue to grow as a
Speaker 5: true tent pole event in the offseason, man, especially with
Speaker 5: the floodgates getting opened this year, where it's not just
Speaker 5: like the Moniker is. Yes, it's it's the mobile, it's
Speaker 5: the Reese's Senior Bowl, but now we can get juniors
Speaker 5: at the game as well. So it's just a matter
Speaker 5: of time, dude, where you're gonna get like a bunch
Speaker 5: of these guys that are gonna be top five picks,
Speaker 5: top ten picks in the NFL Draft are going to
Speaker 5: make their way to Mobile, and we're all gonna be
Speaker 5: oohing and eyeing over all of these guys and we
Speaker 5: should be, man, But it's a wonderful, wonderful spectacle. Mobile
Speaker 5: is a fantastic town and it's it's awesome every single
Speaker 5: year we go, whether you want to talk about boots
Speaker 5: on the ground, getting to watch these players at practice
Speaker 5: every single day, getting to mingle with coaches, scouts, agents.
Speaker 5: I mean sometimes you'll run into like players, family and stuff.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people that you know, if
Speaker 5: you've been out there on social media, you've seen it,
Speaker 5: like Jerry Rice was down there supporting his son. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Terrell Owens was in the crowd down there for the
Speaker 5: seventy fifth celebration and stuff. Dude. So it's it's really
Speaker 5: become and I think we'll continue to build as a
Speaker 5: star studded event of the offseason. And the moniker is true.
Speaker 5: The draft starts a Mobile. It's real, man, Like, this
Speaker 5: is the kickoff to prospect season every single year. So
Speaker 5: people need to be tapped in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't understand what is going on with
Speaker 2: the Shrine Game being now the same week as the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl because the Senior Bowl has the better players.
Speaker 2: It takes president, you know, I know people are excited
Speaker 2: about the Shrine Game too, and it's a FUNHNM gonna.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna shade it, but well.
Speaker 2: You also, I mean I wouldn't sade the event, but
Speaker 2: I would shade the event being three days before the
Speaker 2: Senior Ball, like put it the week before or the
Speaker 2: week after, like whatever you got to do. But you know,
Speaker 2: make it not so close to the Senior Bowl because
Speaker 2: we're all paying attention to the Senior Bowl has the
Speaker 2: better prospects in it. And you see guys from the
Speaker 2: Shrine Game move to the Senior Bowl because players get
Speaker 2: hurt or opt out or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is. So yeah, just a great event.
Speaker 2: And I saw a clip of Thurman Thomas talking about
Speaker 2: how he won a car for winning Player of the
Speaker 2: Game when he was the Super Bowl or the Senior
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP. And now they give out like it's just
Speaker 2: a large Reese's peanut butter cup or something to the champion,
Speaker 2: less than a car. He's like, no, I drove my
Speaker 2: car home after I wanted at the Senior Ball, which
Speaker 2: was very interesting. So the event has changed a lot.
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Speaker 2: All right, Fitzy, kick us off on the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: wrap Up and throw your first question out at Deebro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, deebro, let's talk about running backs. It's really interesting class.
Speaker 3: I don't think we've got any sort of consensus on
Speaker 3: who the top running back or even the top three
Speaker 3: or four running backs are going to be in this
Speaker 3: year's draft. There were some interesting ones down in Mobile,
Speaker 3: and I know you are fond of one in particular,
Speaker 3: So why don't you sing the praises of your guy,
Speaker 3: Marshaun Lloyd of USC.
Speaker 5: He's a true three down back man, and he proved
Speaker 5: that iMobile and I will keep singing his praises. And
Speaker 5: people are looking at early adp for dynasty rookie drafts.
Speaker 5: You're seeing him go anywhere between the back end of
Speaker 5: the second round somewhere in the third round. I'm telling
Speaker 5: you right now, if I have anything to say about it,
Speaker 5: that is going to rise. The closer we get to
Speaker 5: the NFL Draft, We're gonna put some more freaking respect
Speaker 5: on Marshaw Lloyd's name. He is a true three down
Speaker 5: running back. I'm not gonna mince words about it, man,
Speaker 5: because what he showed Immobile should put the stamp on
Speaker 5: that and people need to respect his game for a
Speaker 5: running back prospect. Guys, over the last two seasons at
Speaker 5: USC top twenty in yards of to contact per attempt,
Speaker 5: breakaway run rate also PFF elusive rating. So we know
Speaker 5: what this man brings to the table as far as
Speaker 5: on early downs, but what he proved immobile is that
Speaker 5: he is also a very good receiver out of the backfield.
Speaker 5: Two days of practice, he closed two days in a
Speaker 5: row with stand out reps in one on one and
Speaker 5: team drills. In the passing game, day two, this man
Speaker 5: ran a wheel route out of the backfield up the
Speaker 5: sideline at a beautiful basket catch over his shoulder and everybody,
Speaker 5: myself included for everybody in the stands go, oh baby,
Speaker 5: there we go. Let's go. And that's real about Marshawn
Speaker 5: Lloyd as a guy. That also, if you watch his film,
Speaker 5: he is a in pass protection, so I think that's
Speaker 5: an area where he continues to grow. He proved himself
Speaker 5: as a receiver. That man will be a top four
Speaker 5: round pick in the NFL draft. I have a third
Speaker 5: round grade on him right now.
Speaker 3: Well, just to so put a fine point on that, like,
Speaker 3: I don't think debro is guaranteeing that marsha On Lloyd
Speaker 3: is going to come out and instantly be a three
Speaker 3: down workhorse for some team. We don't know if that'll happen,
Speaker 3: but if you have a three down skill set, that
Speaker 3: gives you more opportunities to break in and get playing
Speaker 3: time as a rookie year because you could be an
Speaker 3: early down back, you could be a passing down back.
Speaker 3: It's going to get him onto the field faster. So
Speaker 3: it's nice to know that he has the versatility to
Speaker 3: be able to play on any down for whichever team
Speaker 3: is employing him in the fall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marshall Lloyd, you know, big time prospect going to
Speaker 2: South Carolina and then faced a lot of eight to
Speaker 2: nine man boxes. They didn't have a lot of passing
Speaker 2: game there. He left, Spencer Ratler went in and they
Speaker 2: went more to a passing offense in South Carolina, and
Speaker 2: then he kind of got lost in the shuffle little
Speaker 2: bit over at USC. Everyone's talking about Caleb Williams and
Speaker 2: Brennan Rice is there and Aaron Jones is there, so
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a lot of talent at USC.
Speaker 2: He kind of got lost in the mix. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you brought him to the forefront here.
Speaker 1: De bro.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the quarterbacks Bo Nicks
Speaker 2: and Michael Pennix. Because you and I just participated in
Speaker 2: the first mock draft for Fantasy pros. People can check
Speaker 2: that show out as well. But we didn't put either
Speaker 2: one of these guys in the first round. I had
Speaker 2: a chance to do it too. I picked for the Broncos.
Speaker 2: I could have taken him, I went with Jared Verse instead.
Speaker 2: These guys are both slipping down the board after their
Speaker 2: weekend at the super Bowl, and this event isn't really
Speaker 2: it's harsh for quarterbacks because you know, you build timing,
Speaker 2: you build a relationship with the receivers. So we didn't
Speaker 2: see a lot from Penix or bow Nicks down there.
Speaker 2: But we've seen plenty of quarterback prospects go down there
Speaker 2: and have a great week, and these guys didn't. Spencer
Speaker 2: Rattler did surprisingly, but tell us about Nix and Pennix.
Speaker 5: They're not it man, neither one of these guys, and
Speaker 5: both evaluating them before I went to Mobile, I didn't
Speaker 5: put them in the first round. Conversation, even before I
Speaker 5: went to Mobile. If you look at how both their
Speaker 5: games translate to the NFL. Bo Nicks operated it in
Speaker 5: an offense in Oregon where he was just has to
Speaker 5: be a point guard. Lots of screens, a lot of
Speaker 5: three step drops, get the ball out out of his
Speaker 5: hands real fast, a lot of first red predetermined stuff
Speaker 5: where it's literally hike it, snap shoof, shoof shoof, and
Speaker 5: literally everybody's doing everything for him after the catch. He
Speaker 5: was bottom ten and deep ball rate, and his deep
Speaker 5: ball is not great to say, like, he does have
Speaker 5: the armstring to make those throws, but bo Nix is
Speaker 5: not a first round prospect. He should have never been
Speaker 5: put in the first round conversation. And he didn't do
Speaker 5: anything to help himself a mobile. You saw he was
Speaker 5: up and down throughout practice, throughout the week, whether it
Speaker 5: was and this also bleeds over to Michael Pennox put
Speaker 5: both of these guys in the same bucket in the
Speaker 5: sense that they don't have the quickest triggers whenever they're
Speaker 5: not operating on those three step drops and it's literally
Speaker 5: predetermined first read, get the ball out fast, and let
Speaker 5: guys do stuff after the catch, when that's not the
Speaker 5: onus of the play and that's not the play design,
Speaker 5: and these guys are forced to sit back in the
Speaker 5: pocket and go through half field reads, full field reads,
Speaker 5: get the ball out of their hands. The triggers are slow,
Speaker 5: and projecting them to the NFL, they don't deserve that
Speaker 5: type of hype where they shouldn't even be in the
Speaker 5: first round conversation. I have Round three grades on both
Speaker 5: of these guys, and that might sound harsh, but it's
Speaker 5: just a reality man like. We have to marry what
Speaker 5: we've seen on the field also with the evaluations and
Speaker 5: the true parts about their skill sets and the concerns,
Speaker 5: because if you have slow triggers, you go to the NFL,
Speaker 5: the speed of the game speeds up depending on what
Speaker 5: team you land. On the offensive line. We talk about Pinnix,
Speaker 5: whether you want to mention his injury history or just
Speaker 5: the fact that he's not the most mobile guy in
Speaker 5: the pocket. Those problems with trigger get worse when the
Speaker 5: game speeds up, and rookies talk about it every single year,
Speaker 5: the college game to the pro game. It speeds up
Speaker 5: and you better buckle in and get ready. And I
Speaker 5: don't think either one of those guys are fully prepared
Speaker 5: for that type of change, So they didn't have good
Speaker 5: weeks of mobile. Whether you want to talk about trigger,
Speaker 5: you want to talk about running the offense, you want
Speaker 5: to talk about accuracy both in the pocket on the move,
Speaker 5: and they're the totality of their weeks. They did nothing
Speaker 5: to help themselves.
Speaker 1: And look, I.
Speaker 2: Think both these guys still have a shot at the
Speaker 2: first round, right, they can still impress at the combine
Speaker 2: and the fact that when you take a guy in
Speaker 2: a first round, you get that extra year. Teams want
Speaker 2: to do that with a quarterback so that he's cheaper
Speaker 2: for one more year, right, so you open up your
Speaker 2: window a little more. But I do think that it's
Speaker 2: less likely that Pennix or Knicks get picked in the
Speaker 2: middle of the first round, and it's more like someone
Speaker 2: trades into that back end and that's where they pick
Speaker 2: these guys up. Like Deebro said, third round grade. But
Speaker 2: there's so many teams that are desperate for a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I think the value of that position is going to
Speaker 2: be picked up a little bit.
Speaker 1: What he got next for us FITZI.
Speaker 3: Well, I think everyone knows that this is a really
Speaker 3: exciting wide receiver class. We didn't see any of the
Speaker 3: three headliners of this class in mobile. Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors, Roma Dune say. The guys we know are
Speaker 3: going to be drafted in the top half of the
Speaker 3: first round, but there was still a lot of intriguing
Speaker 3: talent down in Mobile Debro. I know you're fond of
Speaker 3: Javon Baker from UCF, Please tell people about him.
Speaker 5: He's going to surprise people. And for a guy that
Speaker 5: I was extremely high, like my wide receiver one entering
Speaker 5: Mobile and leaving Mobile, and some people could say it's
Speaker 5: not deserved to keep him as the wide receiver one
Speaker 5: considering the weeks and we're going to talk about Roman
Speaker 5: Wilson Labuconki that they had. But I still think Javon
Speaker 5: Baker is a dude. He is an absolute dude. And
Speaker 5: looking at a guy that was, I mean like he
Speaker 5: was a highly touted prospect, goes to Alabama, doesn't get
Speaker 5: much playing time, goes to UCF, and in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 5: he ran eighthen yards per route run against all FBS
Speaker 5: wide receivers at least fifty targets, twenty fourth and receiving grade,
Speaker 5: and thirty fifth in yact perception, as well as saying
Speaker 5: that he was top twenty and contest to catch rate
Speaker 5: and say what you will about just that metric. But
Speaker 5: Javon Baker has the overall skill set to be a
Speaker 5: high volume wide receiver in the NFL, whether you want
Speaker 5: to talk about the ability to stretch the field. He
Speaker 5: did have some issues getting jammed up on boundary routes,
Speaker 5: go routes specifically immobile, but the other parts of his
Speaker 5: game were he specifically wins. In the high points of
Speaker 5: his game. He did also show out in the sense
Speaker 5: that he does he's a very good route runner. He
Speaker 5: has nuance to his routes, he can get open as
Speaker 5: far as short air agility underneath, and we saw that
Speaker 5: as well as Day three. What I wanted to see
Speaker 5: out of Javon Baker was that typical if you turn
Speaker 5: the tape on for Javon Baker, that typical Javon Baker
Speaker 5: high point, beautiful catch, and we saw that to open
Speaker 5: Day three and one on ones he ran it was
Speaker 5: either an outroute or a post into the end zone
Speaker 5: and skied over a corner and made a wonderful catch.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know what, that's Jabon Baker. That's
Speaker 5: the guy that I saw on film. I've got a
Speaker 5: third round grade on him right now. And people could
Speaker 5: say this this comp that I have, and it's it's
Speaker 5: already live on Fantasy pros. You go back and you
Speaker 5: look at my wide receiver primer for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: I'm not moving off of it. There are a lot
Speaker 5: of comparables to his game and one Chris Godwin, Wow,
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 2: And Baker another dude, big time you know, recruit at Bama,
Speaker 2: goes to UCF, makes a little bit of noise and
Speaker 2: explodes in the Senior Ball and puts himself on the map.
Speaker 1: This wide receiver class is deep. It's so deep.
Speaker 2: There's so many good ones. Lad mcconkee, I believe, came
Speaker 2: into the Senior Ball as the top wide receiver on
Speaker 2: the Senior ballboards to most people. But Roman Wilson was
Speaker 2: so good. He was dominant. He had amazing plays in practice,
Speaker 2: so much so that he left on Thursday. He said,
Speaker 2: I've done enough. I proved myself. I don't need to
Speaker 2: do anymore. I don't need to play in the game.
Speaker 2: I can just exit. So Roman Wilson, you know, impressed,
Speaker 2: and then left. Lad McConkey had a great showing as well.
Speaker 2: How high are these guys gonna go deepro Are these
Speaker 2: definitely second round picks? Are they third round picks definitely
Speaker 2: going on Day two, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean I think they're definitely. They've both sown themselves into
Speaker 5: Day two selection. Now we can all debate where that's
Speaker 5: gonna be. I'm sorry, but people are getting out over
Speaker 5: their skis. People are getting out over their skis. Putting
Speaker 5: Lad McConkie in the first round. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 5: throw that out there right now because I've seen that
Speaker 5: in a few mocks. I don't think that he's his
Speaker 5: game is justified to go in the first round. I
Speaker 5: just don't think that. Like for me, if you're gonna
Speaker 5: sell me on a first round pick in the NFL Draft,
Speaker 5: I need to see in my mind's eye the upside
Speaker 5: for that wide receiver, whether he comes out as a
Speaker 5: finished product or close to a finished product, and you
Speaker 5: can project him as a wide receiver one in an
Speaker 5: NFL offense. That's what gets you the first round. Great
Speaker 5: both of these guys, and I do not want to
Speaker 5: sit here and dismiss either one of their weeks. They
Speaker 5: both had fantastic freaking weeks. But if we're trying to again,
Speaker 5: I don't want to get too crazy off of three
Speaker 5: days of practice and throw evals watching six, seven, eight
Speaker 5: games on guys in the trash. Do we add what
Speaker 5: we see in mobile and practices and what I saw
Speaker 5: live to the evaluation. Yes, I'm gonna go back and
Speaker 5: tweak all my writeups before my wide receiver primers for
Speaker 5: rookies go live on the site. But both of these
Speaker 5: guys had great weeks. But Lad McConkey, I think he's
Speaker 5: gonna be a second round pick probably as long as
Speaker 5: he tests good. I think walking into the process, he's
Speaker 5: probably a third round pick in the NFL draft. Roman
Speaker 5: Wilson I think helped himself a ton going from probably
Speaker 5: a fourth round projected guy and me and Thor went
Speaker 5: back and forth on this. Yes, I will take the
Speaker 5: l He has four to three speed. I've seen all
Speaker 5: this stuff about the freak list and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: so the speed is real. But him winning the other
Speaker 5: parts of their game where you have a little bit
Speaker 5: of concern is we know their ability from the slot.
Speaker 5: Both them prove that in spades in college. But you
Speaker 5: put them on the perimeter, can they be fifty to
Speaker 5: fifty guys where you put them on outside inside they
Speaker 5: have that type of versatility to also play in twelve
Speaker 5: or twenty one personnel and not just eleven personnel. I
Speaker 5: think that Roman Wilson probably is just a slot only guy,
Speaker 5: probably a seventy eighty percent slot slot rate guy in
Speaker 5: the NFL because in some of the reps you saw
Speaker 5: him get jammed up on the off the line, or
Speaker 5: you saw him deal or have some issues with physical
Speaker 5: physicality and press coverage in the route from corners, whereas Lad,
Speaker 5: I think the upper body strength, I think the nuance
Speaker 5: at is route running. He acquits himself better on the
Speaker 5: outside and we saw that throughout the week. So I'm
Speaker 5: not shocking anybody telling you that Lad mcconkeye is a
Speaker 5: better prospect than Roman Wilson. But both of these guys
Speaker 5: really helped themselves as far as the draft stock for
Speaker 5: the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting for Roman Wilson too, a guy that
Speaker 2: just didn't get a lot of usage at Michigan because
Speaker 2: they ran the ball so much, and then showing out
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Speaker 1: What do you got next for debro FITZI?
Speaker 3: Oh, one guy I've been dying to ask debro abot
Speaker 3: because this guy is so intriguing. Is Johnny Wilson of
Speaker 3: Florida State. So this guy is what six seven I believe,
Speaker 3: what does he go like two thirty seven or so?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he weighed in at or he measured in at
Speaker 5: six six two thirty eight, I'm pretty sure through thirty eight.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he is.
Speaker 3: I could see the league hosting sites like CBS and
Speaker 3: yeahoo having meetings to try to figure out whether he's
Speaker 3: going to get tight end eligibility or wide receiver eligibility
Speaker 3: or both, because like his role is going to be
Speaker 3: uh like, I don't know what do you what do
Speaker 3: you see him as in the NFL debro? I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously this guy is a physical sp men Isaiah.
Speaker 4: I'm being used.
Speaker 5: Oh he puts Isaiah likely to shame. Man, I'm telling
Speaker 5: you right now, you.
Speaker 1: Didn't like Isaiah. You were low on Isaiah likely.
Speaker 5: I was lower on Isaiah likely. But the other thing
Speaker 5: about it, Isaiah likely tested okay but not great. I'm
Speaker 5: telling you right now, Johnny Wilson's going to test out
Speaker 5: the damn gym as a guy that in high school.
Speaker 5: And let's talk about this for a second. In high
Speaker 5: school he ran a four five nine forty, So you
Speaker 5: put him in a collegiate strength program, and as well
Speaker 5: as we know he's going to train for these events,
Speaker 5: for the combine, he's going to blow the damn roof
Speaker 5: off of the gym because as a guy that's six
Speaker 5: foot six and two thirty two forty a person that size,
Speaker 5: a human that size, should not move with the fluidity
Speaker 5: that Johnny Wilson moves at man, so looking at him,
Speaker 5: all he has to do. He's going to test well
Speaker 5: and when that happens, he's going to garner really good
Speaker 5: draft capital in the NFL. And the thing for Johnny Wilson,
Speaker 5: man that I want to mention here is that, you know,
Speaker 5: we could talk about what he did in college and
Speaker 5: the abilities that he put on tape, because it's real,
Speaker 5: dude like for a guy that over Johnny Wilson's career,
Speaker 5: Like the twenty twenty three numbers were not spectacular, but
Speaker 5: if you look at twenty twenty two fourth in yards
Speaker 5: per route run amongst all FBS wide receivers with at
Speaker 5: least fifty targets, twenty fifth and PFF receiving grade. So
Speaker 5: he has put up the numbers from an analytical standpoint
Speaker 5: that we want to see. But what you see when
Speaker 5: you turn on the film and what we saw and
Speaker 5: the brief time of mobile, because I also had to
Speaker 5: mention here, Johnny Wilson was there all day day one
Speaker 5: of practice. Day two, he was in practice for the
Speaker 5: one on one drills to open practice, but then midday
Speaker 5: left was nowhere to be seen. He did not practice
Speaker 5: on day three, the best that I can surmise, and
Speaker 5: I haven't seen this reported, So look, if y'all seen
Speaker 5: this guy, is correct me if I'm wrong, but I
Speaker 5: think it was an injury that kept him out of
Speaker 5: the afternoon for day two and for day three, and
Speaker 5: also again the boots on the ground aspect of being
Speaker 5: a mobile. We were standing out in the hallway was Thor,
Speaker 5: myself and Mike Mayer, a director of content. We were
Speaker 5: all out in the hallway uploading videos for a social
Speaker 5: team and all of the guys that were switching out
Speaker 5: like the first group for the entire media engagement part,
Speaker 5: where you basically everybody's in the convention room, you walk around,
Speaker 5: you're talking to everybody, and if you get the American team,
Speaker 5: you get the national team, and Johnny Wilson starts strolling
Speaker 5: down the hall and I'm like, oh, dude, I gotta
Speaker 5: talk to Johnny, I gotta talk to him. Our team's
Speaker 5: asking him to work at a tight end. What does
Speaker 5: that look like? Which, by the way, to throw that
Speaker 5: out there, I did not hear that buzz I was
Speaker 5: hoping to hear that buzz a mobile. I'm hoping that
Speaker 5: that happens or comes to fruition. Not to say that
Speaker 5: he cannot play true wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well absolutely.
Speaker 5: And the other thing about it is if you were
Speaker 5: to tell me he was going to have tight end eligibility,
Speaker 5: he would bump up his NFL draft stock immediately as well,
Speaker 5: because my comp for him based off a size, speed
Speaker 5: and his skills right now is Darren Waller. And I
Speaker 5: don't think that that is over the moon because if
Speaker 5: you watch Johnny Wilson, that type of fluidity, the physicality,
Speaker 5: the ability, and also we need to talk about the
Speaker 5: ability to stretch the defense. You put Johnny Wilson in
Speaker 5: the slot and he is going to stretch down the scene. Man.
Speaker 5: But getting back to day three or day two as
Speaker 5: far as the media stuff, he starts walking down the
Speaker 5: hallway and somebody stops him halfway. He does a one
Speaker 5: to eighty and turns the other way and keeps and
Speaker 5: starts walking away from the media engagement stuff, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 5: is he hurt? Did he not want to answer questions
Speaker 5: about all that because he wasn't present? And then he
Speaker 5: was in present as far as day two, the afternoon
Speaker 5: practice or the latter part of that, or day three's practice.
Speaker 5: So Johnny Wilson, I would have loved to have seen
Speaker 5: what he could have done throughout a full week of practice,
Speaker 5: because day one was a little bit rough for him.
Speaker 5: We also have to mention the drops are an issue
Speaker 5: and they're part of his evaluation as a prospect. Some
Speaker 5: of that you could say as concentration drops, but it
Speaker 5: has been a consistent theme. He did drop some balls
Speaker 5: on day one. They got him to run more perimeter routes.
Speaker 5: Day two is where you started the magic start to
Speaker 5: happen for Johnny Wilson. They put him against guys and
Speaker 5: ask him to run either out routes or crossers, and
Speaker 5: that's where you saw the ability of Johnny Wilson, the
Speaker 5: ability to take a corner, lean his shoulder in and
Speaker 5: then explode outside with that type of lateral agility on
Speaker 5: out routes or again drag routes and crossers. It's a
Speaker 5: he's gonna make his money, man like you get to
Speaker 5: put him as a big slot, put him as a
Speaker 5: move tight end. He is going to be a matchup
Speaker 5: nightmare in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Put him in Chicago with Caleb Williams. That's what I
Speaker 1: want to see.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: I think that would be a nice transition. How about,
Speaker 2: speaking of transitioning, how about let's go for I'm a
Speaker 2: big dude to a tiny dude. In terms of the
Speaker 2: NFL draft, Jacob Cowing, right, Jacob Cowing came in.
Speaker 1: I believe he's five to eight, won sixty five. Picked
Speaker 1: him an.
Speaker 2: Injury at the Senior Bowl too, But this guy was very,
Speaker 2: very productive in Arizona. We had some We had a
Speaker 2: little guy in tank Dell make some noise last year
Speaker 2: in the NFL draft and then in the season for
Speaker 2: our fantasy teams. Is Jacob Cowing in the tank Dell
Speaker 2: mold or is he in the too small for the
Speaker 2: NFL mold?
Speaker 5: He's in the two two at will mold. And I
Speaker 5: hate to say that because and just keep it in
Speaker 5: one hundred here I had Jacob Cowing and I had
Speaker 5: him ranked as my wide receiver two for entering Senior Bowl,
Speaker 5: and not amongst the entire class, but just the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: Amongst them, I had him as my wide receiver two.
Speaker 5: And again we're talking about adding other layers to the
Speaker 5: context of the evaluation what I wanted to see out
Speaker 5: of Jacob Cowing, and you brought it up, Bogs, like,
Speaker 5: as a guy who is listed at Arizona as five
Speaker 5: to eleven one seventy five, he comes in, he weighs
Speaker 5: in measures in at five eight one sixty five. So
Speaker 5: any questions about size and stuff and his ability to
Speaker 5: play the perimeter just got magnified ten times over. And
Speaker 5: so I will definitively tell you he is not Tank Dell.
Speaker 5: He is not that type of guy that can win
Speaker 5: on the perimeter. And I'm massively drop Cowing and and
Speaker 5: I hate it, man, Like I'm not trying to throw
Speaker 5: shade at the kid because he's talented. I think he
Speaker 5: does carve out a role as an NFL slot, but
Speaker 5: as that type of upside to say, Okay, could he
Speaker 5: be this year's Tank Dell. That's not it, man, because
Speaker 5: Cowing struggled mightily throughout the week. Whether you want to
Speaker 5: talk about corners having the ability to get their hands
Speaker 5: on him in routes, him not having the footwork and
Speaker 5: the necessary speed as a trump card to beat guys
Speaker 5: off the line, or the physicality in his routes where
Speaker 5: he can't get pushed off of routes. He's not having
Speaker 5: issues at the catch point because either whether it's footwork
Speaker 5: or route nuance, he's able to separate from guys. You
Speaker 5: didn't see enough of that from Cawing. And we're talking
Speaker 5: about one on one drills that are inherently designed to
Speaker 5: like they give a little bit of edge to the
Speaker 5: wide receiver. Like, let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 5: So you're having issues in this type of setting getting
Speaker 5: off the line and not getting bumped off your routes
Speaker 5: as well as getting bullied at the freaking catch point.
Speaker 5: Those issues are going to translate to the freaking NFL man.
Speaker 5: So Cowing's a guy who's a big follower. He entered
Speaker 5: the process, like I said, as my wide receiver too.
Speaker 5: I'm my senior Bowl wide receiver ranks. He exits the
Speaker 5: process as my fourth lowest wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he ends up a late Day three pick.
Speaker 2: And you think of him as a kick returner to
Speaker 2: start him and then if he gets more.
Speaker 5: And that's that's if the injury doesn't because we still
Speaker 5: don't know what the injury was. He was carted off
Speaker 5: on day three. Depending on what that injury is also
Speaker 5: going to affect his stock, Like is it significant enough
Speaker 5: where he can even test at the combine? We don't know.
Speaker 2: And the class is so deep you miss, yeah a
Speaker 2: little bit and you plummet right, So yep, but he
Speaker 2: was not the only follower.
Speaker 1: You got a question about another follow there, FITZI yeah.
Speaker 3: Deep, bro, there was a wide receiver from North Carolina
Speaker 3: I fell pretty hard for in the fall when I
Speaker 3: was watching him make some big plays for Drake May
Speaker 3: Devon tes Walker, known by many as just tes Walker.
Speaker 3: Not a great week for him? Correct, I mean, what's
Speaker 3: your what's your takeaway? Was it just kind of a
Speaker 3: write off? Can he be a big play guy at
Speaker 3: the NFL level? Because he's he's big, he's fast, he
Speaker 3: certainly looks the part of an NFL wide receiver.
Speaker 4: But what are your issues with him?
Speaker 5: So it was a tough week for tes Walker as
Speaker 5: well as you want to talk about the ability like
Speaker 5: to be their immobile and to peel your eyes, like
Speaker 5: on these guys physically and the things that you walk
Speaker 5: away just by seeing them in person. And tes Walker
Speaker 5: is very skinny. And I'm not telling you like he's
Speaker 5: a scarecrow or anything like that, but he's very He's
Speaker 5: not as built as I thought he was going to be.
Speaker 5: Not to say he's not muscular in his own right,
Speaker 5: but he wasn't as thick as I was hoping to be.
Speaker 5: And what I project him right now going into the NFL, like,
Speaker 5: I think tes Walker is a situational deep threat. I
Speaker 5: think that's all he is. And he had a tough
Speaker 5: week Donomobile, whether it was gaining separation on short area routes,
Speaker 5: whether it was dealing with drops or concentration drops, or
Speaker 5: even fit physical attributes from the corners at the catch point.
Speaker 5: You saw all of these things rear their ugly head
Speaker 5: for tes Walker, and you want to marry this. Also,
Speaker 5: his analytical profile is not clean boys. Like in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three, we're talking about a wide receiver that was
Speaker 5: seventy first in yards per route run, one hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy seven the PFF receiving grade, and two hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy first in yak per reception. So a lot of
Speaker 5: these warts already show up in his analytical profile. But
Speaker 5: you're also talking you married that with a tough week
Speaker 5: for tes Walker. He's really going to have to test
Speaker 5: well and interview well to really kind of save his
Speaker 5: NFL draft stock because of Mobile.
Speaker 2: It was a tough scene, yeah, And I think there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a built in excuse for him
Speaker 2: in the fact that the NCAA just would not let
Speaker 2: him play for a big chunk of the year, right,
Speaker 2: But you know, the drops are fixable. That is a
Speaker 2: lot of concentration. But he also had them in the game.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just in practice. Yep, he had him in
Speaker 2: the game too. And you know, I didn't know the
Speaker 2: stuff about his body type and being a little bit
Speaker 2: more slender than you would want for a guy at
Speaker 2: his size. So glad we brought him up and brought
Speaker 2: that to light because there is a lot of talent here.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of questions too. Are these drops
Speaker 2: part of nervousness? Is he gonna bulk up? And if
Speaker 2: he does, is that gonna slow him down? So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about Tess Walker. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of talent there, though.
Speaker 3: Dee bro, let me ask you, what do you think
Speaker 3: Tesz is gonna run at the combine?
Speaker 4: He's like six ' two. You think he can do
Speaker 4: something close to four.
Speaker 5: To four if he trains. The problem is, I don't
Speaker 5: think he has a lot of weight to be able
Speaker 5: to cut to try to like if he's not already
Speaker 5: a four to four guy, can he if he's like
Speaker 5: because some of these guys can you say, okay, can
Speaker 5: they cut five to ten pounds and get from you know,
Speaker 5: shave off just a little bit to get from four
Speaker 5: to five to four four four, four to four three.
Speaker 5: I think Tess is probably gonna come in somewhere in
Speaker 5: the low four to five range.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting too is I read an article
Speaker 2: about the tracking info that they have the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: in the Shrine Game and stuff yep, And there are
Speaker 2: analytical teams that are scrapping forty yard times and they're
Speaker 2: just going with those tracking speeds of range.
Speaker 5: Zebra technology down there. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rams have been doing that and that has
Speaker 2: got them. Jordan Fuller in the sixth and Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: as a late pick because he ran about as high
Speaker 2: as well a debro favorite down there. So yeah, very
Speaker 2: interesting stuff there. I'm so you put this note on
Speaker 2: here for us, Debro that Luke McCaffrey will be a
Speaker 2: starting slot wide receiver in the NFL, and I'm so glad,
Speaker 2: lad that you put this here. And this is just
Speaker 2: another thing of being there is better because every note
Speaker 2: that I read about Luke McCaffrey was negative. Everything it
Speaker 2: was that he can't separate, can't get off of the raw.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this, these are the things that I
Speaker 2: read about Luke McCaffrey. I didn't see one positive thing.
Speaker 2: So talk up your boy. Let's hear him.
Speaker 5: Man. That's all I gotta say is I'm gonna throw
Speaker 5: the quote up from the Great RAYGQ. Be mindful of
Speaker 5: the content that you consume, because if anybody's telling you
Speaker 5: lut McCaffrey had a terrible week, we were watching different practices. Dude,
Speaker 5: Luke McCaffrey is exactly who he is and what he
Speaker 5: did is he showed the proof of concept with his
Speaker 5: game as it currently is, and that is as a
Speaker 5: starting NFL slot wide receiver. If you asked Luke McCaffrey
Speaker 5: to play the outside and to stretch the field, you
Speaker 5: are poorly miscasting where he is as a skill player,
Speaker 5: as a wide receiver right now, at this iteration of
Speaker 5: his game. Now, ask Luke McCaffrey to be in the slot.
Speaker 5: You ask him to go win in the short and
Speaker 5: intermediate areas. You ask him to play physical through the catch.
Speaker 5: And I'm not telling you he's going to walk into
Speaker 5: the NFL and be a yak maven. No, that's not
Speaker 5: the case. But kim Luke McCaffrey, you put him in
Speaker 5: the slot in the NFL, can he get open versus
Speaker 5: zone coverage? And for everybody out there, as much as
Speaker 5: everybody wants to sit on their man coverage pedestals and
Speaker 5: crap like that, you need to understand that the NFL
Speaker 5: is a massive zone coverage hub. Right now. Every single
Speaker 5: freaking team runs zone on over fifty percent of the
Speaker 5: defensive snaps at least, and that's a low point. Almost
Speaker 5: every team is really in the sixty to seventy percent
Speaker 5: range is how much zone they're using in the NFL.
Speaker 5: So if we want to bump guys down for man
Speaker 5: coverage or the ability to beat that or play outside
Speaker 5: and all this other kind of crap, we need context
Speaker 5: about skill sets and how guys win and what they're
Speaker 5: actually going to be asked in the NFL. And nine
Speaker 5: times out of ten right now, that is beating zone coverage.
Speaker 5: And Luke McCaffrey can do that. So I want to
Speaker 5: give the guy his flowers as a guy who transitioned
Speaker 5: from quarterback to wide receiver in college, had two solid
Speaker 5: years at Rice. I'm not telling you that his analytical
Speaker 5: profile is amazing or standout, but we also do need
Speaker 5: to give this man some respect. For twenty twenty three,
Speaker 5: he was twenty six and PFF receiving grade and you
Speaker 5: see him religiously inmobile get open on those crossers, on
Speaker 5: curl routes, on things where he is asked to beat
Speaker 5: coverage versus Z one off coverage underneath. You asked McCaffrey
Speaker 5: to do that, and he's sure as hell can do that.
Speaker 2: Now, what type of level of slot wide receiver are
Speaker 2: we talking about with him? Because are we talking like,
Speaker 2: do you think he's like Josh Downs? Is he more
Speaker 2: like a Trey Tucker? I mean, what kind of slot
Speaker 2: is Luke McCaffrey do you think?
Speaker 5: I so my comp and I'm not going to just
Speaker 5: go with the low hanging fruit of okay former quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: But I think, and I'm not talking about the iteration
Speaker 5: that we have right now in the year twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three to twenty twenty four and what we've just seen
Speaker 5: out of his.
Speaker 1: Games, this is going to be a big name.
Speaker 5: The way that Jacoby Myers entered the NFL and that
Speaker 5: type of skill set and what you ask him to
Speaker 5: do at the very beginning of his career. And yes,
Speaker 5: Jacoby Myers got better as far as playing the outside
Speaker 5: and versus press and versus man as he was an
Speaker 5: NFL wide receiver. Yes, but when Jacoby Myers entered the NFL,
Speaker 5: you didn't see all of those parts and pieces as
Speaker 5: well refined to his game as it is now. That
Speaker 5: is my comp for Luke McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: Excellent. What do you got next for us? FITZI let
Speaker 1: me ask.
Speaker 3: You, Deebro, about a guy, a wide receiver prospect I
Speaker 3: think might be pretty polarizing among dynasty managers.
Speaker 4: Xavier Leggatt.
Speaker 3: So he is like this king sized and Kwan Bold
Speaker 3: type six three two twenty seven dude, really big twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three season at South Carolina, but kind of a
Speaker 3: one year wonder and he's he's kind of an older
Speaker 3: prospect too. I think some people would say like an
Speaker 3: over aged prospect. So yeah, because that was like his
Speaker 3: fifth year right in the program. So like, what was
Speaker 3: your take on him? What did you see from Xavier
Speaker 3: Leggett in mobile?
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna I'll start off with this as far
Speaker 5: as context for Xavier Lagets like week, if you look
Speaker 5: at his week, I think it was very up and down.
Speaker 5: But I think part of this is he wasn't fully
Speaker 5: healthy at any point iMobile, and some of this is projecting.
Speaker 5: I don't have any kind of sources or news that
Speaker 5: I'm trying to give to people. I'm just telling you
Speaker 5: I was there immobile and what I saw at him,
Speaker 5: and here's the context on it. One, he did leave
Speaker 5: day three of practice with an injury. He started out
Speaker 5: the morning, left, came back, just watched practice from the sidelines.
Speaker 5: But the first thing that I noticed out of leget
Speaker 5: when we were down a mobile was day one. We
Speaker 5: had wide receivers doing the gauntlet drill, we had them
Speaker 5: doing agility drills. Each one of these guys was going
Speaker 5: one hundred and ten percent through all of this, you know,
Speaker 5: trying to show out to coaches like, look at my bursts,
Speaker 5: look at my footwork, look at my speed. Baby, Laget's
Speaker 5: going through that drill at fifty percent. And it wasn't like,
Speaker 5: oh he's big and he's slow. It was he's.
Speaker 1: Losing gingers, banged up coming in.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was not one hundred percent healthy coming in
Speaker 5: is my thought with it. As well as if you
Speaker 5: look at the entire week, he wore compression sleeve over
Speaker 5: his left lower leg, so I don't know if it
Speaker 5: was a calf. I saw some of the rumblings came
Speaker 5: out that the injury was an ankle. Come on, man,
Speaker 5: we don't freaking know. The only people that really know
Speaker 5: what the injury was was Lagette himself and the coaches
Speaker 5: and the staff of on for the senior Bold squads
Speaker 5: that were there. The rest of us are just out
Speaker 5: here just trying to figure out what the hell happened.
Speaker 5: But with leget his game, it was a jeckle on
Speaker 5: high kind of weak for him, and I think part
Speaker 5: of that. I think the injury played into that because
Speaker 5: in day one of practice, he looked like the ten
Speaker 5: man out there, like, he looked slow, he looked clunky
Speaker 5: getting in and out of his breaks. He didn't look
Speaker 5: like the guy, even the guy. And I'll own this.
Speaker 5: I'm not as high. I only get as other people
Speaker 5: as far as him as a prospect, but I will
Speaker 5: give him respect in saying that there are parts of
Speaker 5: pieces to like out of his game. He is a
Speaker 5: guy that can produce after the catch, and for day
Speaker 5: one we didn't see any of that. He was struggling
Speaker 5: just to separate versus corners. Now in building all of
Speaker 5: this up day two, he looked like a totally different guy.
Speaker 5: He was winning in one on ones. You saw better,
Speaker 5: whether it was better gear down on short area routes
Speaker 5: or better separation, better as far as upper body strength
Speaker 5: through his routes, I mean just the totality of his game.
Speaker 5: He looked like a different person. And some of that
Speaker 5: is okay. Did you know was it a cat was
Speaker 5: another soft tissue injury? And did that affect him on
Speaker 5: day one? Where he's like, I can't push it the
Speaker 5: way that I usually do, But he's still going to
Speaker 5: go out there and try to help his stock any
Speaker 5: way that he can. Because here's the thing. NFL teams
Speaker 5: on the back end, if he was struggling with an injury,
Speaker 5: they know that they're not going to bury the kid
Speaker 5: because he went out there and tried to cut through
Speaker 5: it and then ended up getting hurt. That we can practice.
Speaker 5: So Leagett is a guy that he's got skills. I
Speaker 5: think he's an intriguing prospect, but some of the up
Speaker 5: and down to his game that I saw on film,
Speaker 5: as well as marrying that with other parts of his
Speaker 5: analytical profile like he brought up FITZI, he's a guy
Speaker 5: that is not going to have an early breakout age
Speaker 5: his dominating. We'll see what it comes in at and
Speaker 5: things like that, where he's an older prospect, so already
Speaker 5: if he does hit, he's going to be a little
Speaker 5: bit more of an outlier. I'm more lower on Legette.
Speaker 5: And this isn't so much from his weekend Mobile, just
Speaker 5: from what I saw on the film and my evaluation
Speaker 5: before I got to Mobile, and he didn't do a
Speaker 5: ton to really move me off of that.
Speaker 2: Uh, the last question that I have here and then
Speaker 2: you know, I'll throw it out to fits if he's
Speaker 2: got any other players he wants to ask you about.
Speaker 2: I may have a couple in bonus time here, but
Speaker 2: Ricky pearsall, I mean, what an outstanding college career this
Speaker 2: guy had at Arizona State. He was, you know, Jane
Speaker 2: Daniels number one target. It goes to Florida, suffers through
Speaker 2: some bad QB play, but it really made for a
Speaker 2: great highlight reel for him, some of those catches that
Speaker 2: were out of his zone, showing his catch radius and
Speaker 2: how high he can go up. I mean, he had
Speaker 2: the maybe the highlight of the year with that one
Speaker 2: hander in triple coverage that he comes down with. I mean,
Speaker 2: just an outstanding prospect from Florida. Probably gonna be a
Speaker 2: top of the second round type of wide receiver after
Speaker 2: his performance here at the Senior.
Speaker 5: Bowl, right, I think you can make a case for
Speaker 5: pearsall anywhere from the second or third round of the
Speaker 5: NFL Draft. I have more of a round three grade
Speaker 5: on him. But if if any one of these guys
Speaker 5: and toss them all in a bucket, of these round
Speaker 5: three guys that I'm talking about, sure, if you were
Speaker 5: to tell me that one team loves one of these guys,
Speaker 5: and there this year's Jayden Reid as a guy that
Speaker 5: goes in the second round, and maybe none of us
Speaker 5: were forecasting, you know, going in the second round. Could
Speaker 5: that happen, I wouldn't be surprised, man, because teams are
Speaker 5: going to sit here and take shots on wide receivers
Speaker 5: they like, whether it's skill set, whether it's scheme fit,
Speaker 5: whether it's the entire total package. And Piersall had a
Speaker 5: fantastic weak man. I mean, like you cannot take anything
Speaker 5: away from that man, like whether it was route running,
Speaker 5: whether it was you talked about Bogs, like his abilities
Speaker 5: at the catch point. I mean, his his film, his
Speaker 5: highlight film. If you just turned on just the highlights
Speaker 5: for Pearsol, it's ludicrous type of stuff, like where you're.
Speaker 2: He's a first round pick for sure.
Speaker 5: Yes, but then we also need to marry that with
Speaker 5: the evaluation of Piersall in a player that won our own.
Speaker 5: Thorne Einstrom got a chance to talk to him and
Speaker 5: interview him. If i'll haven't watched the Senior Bowl recab
Speaker 5: video live on YouTube, please go check that out. We
Speaker 5: have all the player interviews in there. He talked about
Speaker 5: his highlight reel catches. He talked about it also that
Speaker 5: NFL teams are looking at him as a slot option.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that in any way to discredit Piersol,
Speaker 5: but I think he's going to be a very serviceable
Speaker 5: and solid wide receiver in the NFL. I just question
Speaker 5: what his ceiling is based off of what I think
Speaker 5: are good but not special raw athletic traits. Because again,
Speaker 5: we also need to go back to and I think
Speaker 5: it's very important with this week of practice and all
Speaker 5: the hype that we see these guys get immobile, that
Speaker 5: you also have to go back to the EVL. You
Speaker 5: can't just get out over your skis and say, oh, well,
Speaker 5: everybody at senior ball is going in the top two
Speaker 5: rounds in the NFL draft now. And I've seen that
Speaker 5: in some mocks I have. I've seen that in some moms,
Speaker 5: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, you're the most popular right now exactly.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, come on, man, let's be real about this.
Speaker 5: Because still Ricky Pierson well as good of a week
Speaker 5: as he had amobile, and he did have a really
Speaker 5: damn good week. I'm not taking that away from him.
Speaker 5: You look at his profile though last year of Florida
Speaker 5: eighty six then yards per route run, fifty third in
Speaker 5: PFF receiving grade one hundred and thirty, first in YAK
Speaker 5: per reception. Those things also need to get brought up
Speaker 5: if you look at his profile and you're trying to
Speaker 5: marry the profile versus mobile versus the film and saying
Speaker 5: what is his median range of outcomes in the NFL?
Speaker 5: What is his ceiling range of outcomes in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I think that he's going to settle in as a
Speaker 5: wide receiver three or four on an NFL depth chart.
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be an extremely solid, solid
Speaker 5: guy for an NFL quarterback. He's going to be very
Speaker 5: quarterback friendly, big catch radius. But as far as big plays,
Speaker 5: the ability to win downfield, the ability to produce a
Speaker 5: ton of yak, those are the parts of his game
Speaker 5: where I think are going to limit him a little
Speaker 5: bit as far as the ceiling in the NFL.
Speaker 2: All right, FITZI any other prospects from the senior ball
Speaker 2: that you want to lobby Rewheeling question at debro about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just two guys, Dee Brow And these can be
Speaker 3: short answers if you wish.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: I really felt hard for Ray Davis at Kentucky. Just
Speaker 3: like a really resourceful running back, a guy who can
Speaker 3: juke someone if he needs to, or run over defender
Speaker 3: if he needs to, can catch passes. I want to
Speaker 3: get your take on him, and I'm curious where you
Speaker 3: think Spencer Rattler might go in the draft.
Speaker 5: So first on Ray Davis. You want to talk about
Speaker 5: a prospect that helped himself a ton immobile. We have
Speaker 5: to we have to mention Ray Davis. He had a
Speaker 5: beautiful one handed catch. I think it was day two
Speaker 5: of practice where again everybody in the stands was like,
Speaker 5: all right, everyone.
Speaker 3: In the everyone in the stands posted in it on
Speaker 3: Twitter because I think I saw about twelve different accounts
Speaker 3: post that.
Speaker 5: I mean, give that man kudos. Dude, like he had
Speaker 5: a really good week and Mobile and for an older prospect,
Speaker 5: a guy that's really kicked it around. I didn't get
Speaker 5: a chance to to talk to Ray Davis, and I
Speaker 5: wanted to. He was one of the guys that were
Speaker 5: on my short list of I wanted to ask him
Speaker 5: certain pointed questions in Mobile, specifically about and I went
Speaker 5: back and walking into Mobile, I watched Ray Davis games
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty film and then when you
Speaker 5: turn on the twenty twenty three tape versus Kentucky, what
Speaker 5: I really wanted to talk to Ray Davis about was.
Speaker 5: He looked like a guy. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: he was not a gym rat to begin his collegiate career.
Speaker 5: But if you turn on the tape of Ray Davis
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen and then you turn on a game from
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, it looks like you're watching a different
Speaker 5: running back. The type of second level burst, the type
Speaker 5: of shiftiness he has in the open field in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three really opened my eyes as far as his
Speaker 5: overall evaluation, and I mean the proof is in the
Speaker 5: pudding as far as his his numbers last year twenty seventh,
Speaker 5: yards out of contact per attempt, thirty fourth and breakaway
Speaker 5: run rate, and I think you add all of that
Speaker 5: on top of what he did in mobile. I won't
Speaker 5: be surprised if Ray Davis here's his name, called in
Speaker 5: the round in round four of the NFL Draft. Probably
Speaker 5: more of a round five guy, but if if a
Speaker 5: team loves him, I won't be shocked if he goes
Speaker 5: in round four.
Speaker 1: What about Rattler.
Speaker 5: Rattler I think is gonna settle in to round three
Speaker 5: of the NFL Draft. Maybe a team just is over
Speaker 5: the moon and he goes round two. But I think
Speaker 5: the the median and the realistic projection for Rattler is
Speaker 5: entering mobile. He was probably a guy that was like
Speaker 5: round four. He probably he probably goes round three now
Speaker 5: and a team takes a chance on him. And a
Speaker 5: lot of the things about Rattler's game. We've all watched
Speaker 5: the tape, we all know the career trajectory, we all
Speaker 5: know you know the clips that weren't great about him
Speaker 5: as a high school kid and being cocky. Rattler looks
Speaker 5: like a guy who has really taking it, taken in
Speaker 5: what life has given him and reached another level as
Speaker 5: far as being a professional and what we're talking about,
Speaker 5: a mature approach to everything. He was amazing in interviews
Speaker 5: and the time he gave to media throughout the entire
Speaker 5: week and changing that type of narrative about him going
Speaker 5: all the way back to high school, because let's be real,
Speaker 5: it's like a seventeen eighteen year.
Speaker 2: Old who would school exactly when you're exactly all of
Speaker 2: us would have looked like.
Speaker 5: Somebody would if you'd interview interviewed me when I was
Speaker 5: seventeen or eighteen, I probably would have said some stupid
Speaker 5: stuff too, or would a sit here and pably carried
Speaker 5: myself for people to say that I'm immature, he's a teenager.
Speaker 5: Don't bury this guy for things he did as a teenager.
Speaker 5: So if we're talking about Rattler now as a prospect
Speaker 5: and as a person, he was amazing in interviews and
Speaker 5: he helped himself at Senior Bowl in the sense of
Speaker 5: you saw the arm, talent and spurts. He had a
Speaker 5: rough day one where he took some shots downfield, threw
Speaker 5: a bad pick, and then he went into checkdown mode.
Speaker 5: But in saying that, he bounced back in a really
Speaker 5: big way on Day two and day three, put some
Speaker 5: good throws on tape, really interviewed well. Teams are also
Speaker 5: going to go back to the footage of early career
Speaker 5: and early collegiate career Rattler and say, Okay, who is
Speaker 5: he now and what could he be? So I think
Speaker 5: he is gonna be if a team is looking for
Speaker 5: the lottery ticket kind of guy in the round three
Speaker 5: and saying, if we put skilled players around you, we
Speaker 5: have a good offensive line, we put you in a
Speaker 5: good system where you can we can reel in some
Speaker 5: of this yolo mentality, some of this aggression that's misplaced
Speaker 5: for you at times, like from a play to play perspective,
Speaker 5: if we can reel that in and try to get
Speaker 5: the very best out of you. That's where a team
Speaker 5: can say, Okay, Spencer, you come in as a developmental
Speaker 5: guy or maybe our QB two from the hop what
Speaker 5: could you be? Could you be as starting NFL quarterback? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'd love to see him go somewhere like Seattle
Speaker 3: or Tampa where they've got a good bridge quarterback in
Speaker 3: place and they don't need him to start or play
Speaker 3: it all in twenty twenty four. But maybe there's a
Speaker 3: path for him to become a starter two or three
Speaker 3: years down the road.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I love that call.
Speaker 1: Denver.
Speaker 2: I think is a good spot for him too. Maybe
Speaker 2: not in terms of development because he might be thrust
Speaker 2: into a role pretty quickly as Fits mentioned, but I think.
Speaker 5: If you put him with the Rams, if you put
Speaker 5: him with the Rams and let him sit behind Matthew
Speaker 5: Stafford for two years, Like basically you take the stetson
Speaker 5: Bennett cor Larry and you say, but now we're gonna
Speaker 5: get a better version of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The the opposite of sets in Bennett too, like showed
Speaker 2: up to senior ball, played great won the MVP all
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: All he really had to do was get out of oaklha.
Speaker 5: No, no off the field kind of mess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what all he had to do is get out
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma. I have just just a couple more to
Speaker 2: ask you about and just do quick ones here. Malachai Corley,
Speaker 2: Brennan Rice. Two guys coming in that I really really like.
Speaker 2: And Brennan Rice is not his dad, but he is
Speaker 2: super underrated. He's very physical. Kind of gives me an
Speaker 2: Kwambolden vibes. And then your thoughts on Malchai Corley as well.
Speaker 5: I think Rice is going to settle in as a
Speaker 5: dependable perimeter wide receiver four in the NFL, maybe wide
Speaker 5: receiver three in an NFL offense. Like, I don't think
Speaker 5: the ceilings is particularly high for Brendan Rice.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: He's a solid player all round. But the things about
Speaker 5: his game is that size works well depending on who
Speaker 5: he's matched up with. If you put him at the
Speaker 5: corner that can be physical and can run with him,
Speaker 5: then he could have problems both in his routes and
Speaker 5: at the catch point. Now, where he won Immobile was
Speaker 5: with that upper body strength and his play strength. Overall,
Speaker 5: you saw him throw guys off of him, or whether
Speaker 5: it was that late separation, that late little nudge that
Speaker 5: we all know that wide receivers can get away with
Speaker 5: in the NFL. That is how he wins at the
Speaker 5: catchpoint and in his routes, and you know, to his credit,
Speaker 5: but does that always translate to a high end wide
Speaker 5: receiver or does that type of game always translate to
Speaker 5: the NFL and that ability to win in that manner,
Speaker 5: That's my question about Brendan Rice. So I think he'll
Speaker 5: be a good pro. I don't think he's gonna be otherworldly.
Speaker 5: And as far as Malachi Corley like, I think he
Speaker 5: is who he is, as far as being a manufactured
Speaker 5: touch guy, He's gonna play the slot in the NFL
Speaker 5: Western Kentucky just tried to get the ball in his hands.
Speaker 5: The way that I'll look at Malachi Corley is I
Speaker 5: look at him as a poor man's Rondell Moore. I
Speaker 5: don't think that he's fully as explosive or as athletic
Speaker 5: as Rondell Moore. I think he was used in You
Speaker 5: could say that was that that's a harsh comp for him,
Speaker 5: and I understand that, but we'll not used.
Speaker 2: But going into the NFL because Ronald Moore has been
Speaker 2: nothing in the NFL.
Speaker 5: No Rondeo Moore hasn't done anything. But you look at
Speaker 5: that type of player and people want to also throw
Speaker 5: which I've heard Deebo Samuel and Malachi Corley's name used
Speaker 5: in the same sentence, and I'm here to tell you
Speaker 5: that is dismissive to Deebo Samuel, who he is as
Speaker 5: a wide receiver, who he is as a route runner,
Speaker 5: and his ability to both play the slot and perimeter
Speaker 5: in his own game. Malachi Corley is not Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, people, but can he be good in the
Speaker 5: NFL for whatever he's asked to do? As far as
Speaker 5: being that type of manufacturer touch guy, being the guy
Speaker 5: that can play the slot can give you some yak
Speaker 5: and stuff. The question that I have about Corley is
Speaker 5: what is his ceiling at the NFL. And some of
Speaker 5: this comes down to the level of play at Western
Speaker 5: Kentucky and you breaking tackles against a guy at that
Speaker 5: level of competition versus you having the suddenness in your
Speaker 5: routes and the physicalness after the catch to break tackles
Speaker 5: versus NFL caliber Power five caliber type of guys. That's
Speaker 5: my worry about Malachi Corley and considering especially with the
Speaker 5: role that he's going to be asked to play.
Speaker 3: In your fairness, he did have a good game against
Speaker 3: Ohio State last fall, girl, but that's fair. I think
Speaker 3: he could maybe be like a sneaky kind of Rishi
Speaker 3: Rice type. But we've got all spring to argue about this.
Speaker 4: I call for him was.
Speaker 5: Parker Washington, so I'm kind of shading in the middle
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Parker Washington just a guy that didn't get
Speaker 2: a lot of opportunity in Jacksonville. When he did, he
Speaker 2: took advantage of it. So we will see. But Deebro,
Speaker 2: thank you for the time and all the great answers.
Speaker 2: Of course, remember to follow him at Deebro Underscore, ff
Speaker 2: at fits Underscore, f f for FITZI and apt Bogman
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