Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: What Up, y'all, It's Laiah and we are back with
Speaker 2: part two of our interview with the incredible, incomparable, trail
Speaker 2: blazing Robert Townsend. Y'all know, this conversation is everything I
Speaker 2: love about Quest Love Supreme. It's funny, informative, and life
Speaker 2: so heartfelt. Last week, Robert spoke about his roads to
Speaker 2: comedy and acting as he lighted us all.
Speaker 3: With a bunch of impersonations.
Speaker 2: He spoke about working on The Warriors, the movie y'all,
Speaker 2: nearly joining SNL, and a deep dive into how he
Speaker 2: made Hollywood shuffle with a dream and a credit card.
Speaker 3: So now we're back for part two.
Speaker 2: Join us as we celebrate Black History Month with an
Speaker 2: American treasure Robert Townsend. Part two taped in studio at
Speaker 2: iHeart Hollywood. Enjoy y'all.
Speaker 1: Once the success of the film brings you to this platform,
Speaker 1: what's your internal feelings? Because oftentimes when person has like
Speaker 1: that type of success, out the box, I mean we
Speaker 1: could say this is the illmatic nod situation or whatever,
Speaker 1: like the follow up getting over the mountain, Like in
Speaker 1: your mind, what are you envisioning your next step to be.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny is that I've always known exactly
Speaker 4: what I want to do, and then it's just that
Speaker 4: when you like, after Hollywood Shuffle, I was being offered
Speaker 4: everything in the universe, every project, every script, every da
Speaker 4: da da dad.
Speaker 1: What was being offered to you?
Speaker 4: It was all kinds of bad comedies. It was like
Speaker 4: a lot of bad stuff that I wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, you know when people go like,
Speaker 4: well this, you haven't made a lot of films. This
Speaker 4: is funny, and then it's like, no, it's not funny.
Speaker 4: And you're dealing with TV Guide because I grew up
Speaker 4: on television, so there's a certain I have my money
Speaker 4: to them. Yeah, And so I was being offered everything,
Speaker 4: but there was nothing that spoke to me. And the
Speaker 4: one story that I wanted to do when I was
Speaker 4: a kid in Chicago in nineteen sixty eight, Herb Kent
Speaker 4: the Cool Gent gets on the radio and says the
Speaker 4: Temptations are breaking up and David Ruffin is leaving the group,
Speaker 4: and that was my favorite group, and so.
Speaker 1: I was like, what what happened? This is wrong? Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 4: And so then that kind of stayed in my head.
Speaker 4: And so my thing was, you know, I told Keena
Speaker 4: and I said, we could do a story. I wasn't,
Speaker 4: you know, arrogant enough to say we could get the
Speaker 4: temptation story. I said, let's let's make our own movie.
Speaker 4: But I want to know what happened. I want to
Speaker 4: know what happened to that singing group? Why did they
Speaker 4: break up? You know, because I was devastated as a kid.
Speaker 4: I just remember looking at the radio and I was like, going, what,
Speaker 4: why did he's leaving?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: And then that took me on the journey for the
Speaker 4: next movie. But all the stuff that they were offering me,
Speaker 4: there was nothing that I was really like, you know,
Speaker 4: with The.
Speaker 6: Five Heartbeats you at the end credits you mentioned the Dells. Yes,
Speaker 6: how involved were they in, you know, with making a
Speaker 6: movie with you? And how much of the story is
Speaker 6: from their personal kind of experience.
Speaker 4: So so let me give you the backstory behind the film.
Speaker 4: I did a documentary on it. It's called Making the Heartbeats.
Speaker 4: So the whole the whole thing that I would say
Speaker 4: is that initially I wanted David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks
Speaker 4: to be the technical advisors, and so I had reached
Speaker 4: out to them and David he was going through his
Speaker 4: drug thing. He was he was struggling, and so I
Speaker 4: went to meet with him, and you know, he was
Speaker 4: strung out a little bit. And Keenan and I we said, hey,
Speaker 4: once the film gets green lit, we're gonna put him
Speaker 4: in rehab.
Speaker 7: We'll just pay for it to just take care of him,
Speaker 7: and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: So that's our that was our plan because I told
Speaker 4: Keenan man, David doesn't look good and he was doing
Speaker 4: that snorting and all that, and I could just tell.
Speaker 4: And so we were gonna, you know, uh, take care,
Speaker 4: you know, put you know, put them in rehab. So anyway,
Speaker 4: the studio Joe Roth, finally green lights the movie and
Speaker 4: so I go, hey, I got David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks.
Speaker 4: And then he goes no, And I said, why not?
Speaker 4: He says, because everybody's going to think it's the Motown
Speaker 4: story and you got that big red character, and so
Speaker 4: they're gonna say, oh, the Temptations, and you're gonna get
Speaker 4: lawsuits up the wazoo because people are going to say, oh,
Speaker 4: this is the Motown story because you got these two
Speaker 4: as your technical advisors.
Speaker 7: And so then at that point I had to say
Speaker 7: no to them, which broke my heart. And then.
Speaker 4: They were saying, who else would you want to be
Speaker 4: technical advisors? And then that's when the Dells, you know,
Speaker 4: I said, the Dells, and then the Dells.
Speaker 1: You knew, Marvin Jr.
Speaker 7: That's crazy, Oh.
Speaker 8: My god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yo, man, Like I was born, So I wasn't born
Speaker 1: in a Dell's concert, but my mom like, damn near
Speaker 1: on the eighth ninth month. But I started kicking at
Speaker 1: a Dell's concert And are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: I was. I was in the moon but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I grew up like I grew up in the
Speaker 1: Charles Stephanie period of the dell So like how sweet
Speaker 1: and funk being all. But yeah, Marvin Junior like to
Speaker 1: me even knowing, like the briefly, like my dad knew
Speaker 1: Teddy Pentagrads whatever, Like Teddy would even say like that's
Speaker 1: his north start, Like.
Speaker 7: What was it? What was it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Just dealing with it because the world does not know
Speaker 1: about the Dells and how.
Speaker 4: So let me so the Dell's, you know, my favorite
Speaker 4: singing group. People know, Oh what a Night is one
Speaker 4: of their big, big, big songs, and Marvin singing the
Speaker 4: long note, and at first they got pushed back from
Speaker 4: that record because they go, this record is too long,
Speaker 4: but the DJs eventually loved it because they could take
Speaker 4: a break and people.
Speaker 7: Love that long note and then the whole thing.
Speaker 4: So the first meeting with the Dell's could have been
Speaker 4: the last meeting because they were at the will Turn
Speaker 4: Theater and I was like, oh, you know, like after
Speaker 4: the whole thing happened with the Temptations, I was like,
Speaker 4: they're in town, so I'll go talk to them.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to interview people, so I was
Speaker 4: never like that, so we I do my research before
Speaker 4: I go there. On their first album cover, they weren't
Speaker 4: on the cover.
Speaker 7: It's a white couple.
Speaker 4: Walking along Michigan Avenue looking so in love, and so
Speaker 4: I'm like, and they're on the back of the little
Speaker 4: square this big and so then I was like, that's
Speaker 4: kind of messed up their first album, and I was like,
Speaker 4: that's kind of weird. So anyway, I go to the
Speaker 4: will Turn. They're getting ready for the show. They're all
Speaker 4: in their white bathrobes and they're putting their makeup on
Speaker 4: and just chilling and everything.
Speaker 7: And so they're all friendly and nice. Robert Towns is
Speaker 7: coming to see us. Man, Robert Towns, Hey, how you doing, Robert?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 7: And so then we're.
Speaker 4: Talking, and so then I'm looking at them and I'm
Speaker 4: like going, I say, hey man, I'm trying to do
Speaker 4: this move. I want to get it real about how
Speaker 4: groups were treated, how much money you made. And I
Speaker 4: could see their faces changing in the mirror, and I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, I just said something wrong. And so
Speaker 4: then they were like, yeah, man, yeah we made money.
Speaker 4: Yeah we did, we did. And so then they're continued talking.
Speaker 4: Then I said, your album cover. I said, why would
Speaker 4: y'all on the front page of the album cover? And
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just because I was I had
Speaker 4: just looked at it. And so then in the mirror,
Speaker 4: now they're in their seventies, late sixties, and I see
Speaker 4: Marvin Junior go and I go, oh, man, Rob, you
Speaker 4: shouldn't have brought that up. And then he goes, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, they made a decision and we just decided that,
Speaker 4: you know, that's how they was going to go.
Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden, it was vern and
Speaker 7: vern says.
Speaker 4: They wanted us to cross over. They said it would
Speaker 4: be good for our audience, you know. And then then
Speaker 4: then I forgot. Mickey said, you know yeah, because they
Speaker 4: couldn't they you know, they could hear our music, but
Speaker 4: white people don't want to see our faces. And so
Speaker 4: they started going back and forth. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: and I was in the mirror, right, and I was
Speaker 4: like the crossover cross that came from them, and so
Speaker 4: as they were going through it, and it kind of
Speaker 4: broke my heart because they were old, older men. But
Speaker 4: then when I was looking through the mirror, cause I
Speaker 4: was sitting back while they were all at the mirrors,
Speaker 4: but they couldn't they could see me. They couldn't see me.
Speaker 4: But then as I was looking at them, that memory
Speaker 4: was like it was yesterday, and I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, the pain. Because then then Mickey said, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: we went to the barbershop and they clowned us hard man.
Speaker 4: Everybody at the barbershop was like, what is this bullshit?
Speaker 4: And we felt so disrespected and dah da da da.
Speaker 4: But then you know, they made it.
Speaker 7: Up to us and blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: But so that's how that's how the Dell's and that's
Speaker 4: what the Dells gave me.
Speaker 1: So how much of Johnny Carter's life was in h
Speaker 1: the High Voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just took pieces of different you know. You know,
Speaker 4: let me say this, the thing of the church and
Speaker 4: secular music has always been there, so everybody dealt with that.
Speaker 4: So that's why we you know, it was that, you know,
Speaker 4: and which is real? You know, like, hey, you can't
Speaker 4: serve two masters, you know, so all.
Speaker 6: Actor the actor you castro, I can't remember his name
Speaker 6: off the top of my head, but you also he
Speaker 6: also played your dad, I think, uh.
Speaker 7: Oh, David McKnight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, David McKnight, and he was in Hollywood Shuffle
Speaker 6: and then also he played choir Boys.
Speaker 7: Dad and David McKnight.
Speaker 8: No, I love him as.
Speaker 4: He was the first actor Pey Moon Ramie. He entered
Speaker 4: when I was in college and I was in speech
Speaker 4: contest in college. The first time I came to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: He was the first person to show me around, David McKnight,
Speaker 4: and he had just finished a movie called JD's Revenge.
Speaker 7: Yes he was bad, he was JD.
Speaker 6: So yeah, man, wait, do you have another I have
Speaker 6: so many, but final Five Heart Beats question one of
Speaker 6: the things I remember about that movie. It wasn't even
Speaker 6: so much about the movie. I remember because this is
Speaker 6: what ninety one. I was twelve, all right, So I'm
Speaker 6: watching Teen Summit, you know what I mean, And so
Speaker 6: you know, back then, I would just go to the
Speaker 6: movies and my mother would just let me go to
Speaker 6: the movies by myself.
Speaker 8: I just go watch.
Speaker 6: And so I went and saw Five Heartbeats and I'm like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, this is the greatest movie ever, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So then later on I see
Speaker 6: you guys on teen Summit and you're like, yo, y'all
Speaker 6: need to support it, we need whatever. And it really
Speaker 6: kind of cracked the facade. I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 6: like this is is it not successful?
Speaker 8: Like how is it not? This movie is amazing.
Speaker 6: But I really appreciate it, just how real y'all kept it.
Speaker 6: I remember you and Michael Wright, he was with it,
Speaker 6: and they was just like, yo, like you know, we
Speaker 6: need to support this. And you were talking about the marketing,
Speaker 6: and that was just something that you know, seeing black
Speaker 6: artists on a platform like be he talking so openly
Speaker 6: about the struggles that y'all were having on a movie
Speaker 6: that was in theaters, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 6: that shit was big, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 6: so I just want you to talk about that man,
Speaker 6: you know, you.
Speaker 4: Know it is you know, let me just say this,
Speaker 4: the five heartbeats. That's the madness of Townshend on the
Speaker 4: highest level because I saw close to ten thousand people
Speaker 4: to be in that film. You know, I had auditions
Speaker 4: in three different cities and just just trying to make it.
Speaker 4: I'm co writing, I'm directing, I'm producing, I'm acting, and
Speaker 4: so I'm wearing all these hats and then I'm playing
Speaker 4: music guy as well, because I had to pick the
Speaker 4: music and the lyrics, have to make sense and learn choreography.
Speaker 4: So it was like one of the hardest things for me.
Speaker 4: But I loved every second of it. But again it's
Speaker 4: that thing again of like the marketing wasn't what I
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be and I wasn't happy,
Speaker 4: and you know, this is my that was my second movie,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But I've always been like ah,
Speaker 4: you know, and so I lost the battle on the marketing.
Speaker 4: So when the film started to die, I was like,
Speaker 4: this can't be. This can't be and the film died,
Speaker 4: but it didn't die. It was just Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you consider it called classic because
Speaker 1: to me, it's not.
Speaker 8: Anytime that movie's on I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Period.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I mean when I say it didn't the box office numbers,
Speaker 4: but I think because the marketing people didn't know what
Speaker 4: they were getting, so we didn't make any money. But
Speaker 4: then now it's like over a billion, almost two billion
Speaker 4: clips shared worldwide because they send me the numbers on
Speaker 4: like people will send the Sisters scene and they'll send
Speaker 4: Eddie King and then all the memes of Gang and
Speaker 4: I don't have to finish yet.
Speaker 3: What does that mean for you monetarily though that doesn't
Speaker 3: that doesn't.
Speaker 4: Well, the thing is that, uh I means but see here,
Speaker 4: so I'll put it like this, No, I do not
Speaker 4: make any money on the clips, but the brand is
Speaker 4: I was not wrong, you know. I mean I have
Speaker 4: ideas sometimes and I think my mind goes, you know,
Speaker 4: like I will create something like right now in my
Speaker 4: brain there's so many different shows and stuff that I'm
Speaker 4: working on that they're all different, and I just it's
Speaker 4: like there's a certain touch that I have, Like you
Speaker 4: can watch movies and I designed my movies in such
Speaker 4: a way that I want you to watch.
Speaker 7: Them again and again and again and again.
Speaker 4: If I if I've done it right, I've done it right,
Speaker 4: you know, if I've added like even like movies that
Speaker 4: I just directed, like Baps. You know, there's so many
Speaker 4: people that want to remake Baps.
Speaker 3: And they were a whole that's.
Speaker 7: A whole nother story that they want to do it.
Speaker 7: But it's not. It's not It's got to be right.
Speaker 7: It's got to be right. Metior Man, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Wait real quick because I want to give props to
Speaker 2: the young young and just doing our make up upstairs, Aaron,
Speaker 2: she said, wait, did Robert Townsend put the first black
Speaker 2: action hero on film?
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, yeah, that was the thing?
Speaker 7: Is that again? That's a trojan horse? It's like, uh.
Speaker 4: When my nephew was really little, Greg Junior and I
Speaker 4: was and I was coming back to Chicago and it
Speaker 4: was like around Halloween, and I was like, who you're
Speaker 4: going to be for Halloween? Superman, Batman? And he was like,
Speaker 4: I can't be them because they're white. And I was,
Speaker 4: you know, and because like you grew up in the hood,
Speaker 4: there's a certain you know, And I was like, no,
Speaker 4: that's wrong.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: Everybody can be a hero, you know, I like Superman,
Speaker 4: like Batman. You could be whatever you want to be.
Speaker 4: And so then I said, oh, I'll create a hero
Speaker 4: that that looks like you know, looks like him.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 6: What was it like having Luther Vandros.
Speaker 7: You know, you know like.
Speaker 8: Luther?
Speaker 4: I well, that's a whole another because when I got married,
Speaker 4: you know, it was like we would only play Luther,
Speaker 4: go to Luther concerts and all of that.
Speaker 7: So when I read huh.
Speaker 3: We heard Johnny will say he's a hell of a
Speaker 3: busser like the Dozens.
Speaker 4: Yes, so no, But the thing that I would say
Speaker 4: is that, you know when I said, hey, would you
Speaker 4: want to be in the movie? Because I called him
Speaker 4: and he was working with Gregory Hines on an album
Speaker 4: or something better, and so then I said would you
Speaker 4: be in a movie? And so then he goes, you
Speaker 4: want me to be in a movie? And I says, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I want you to play the bad guy and
Speaker 4: I want you to have a gun, and he says,
Speaker 4: I have a gun, and so he was going through
Speaker 4: this whole thing and he goes, he says, are you serious,
Speaker 4: and I said, yeah, we're just in pre production. He says,
Speaker 4: can I will you give me six months? And I
Speaker 4: was like, give you six months and he was and
Speaker 4: I was like, if you need.
Speaker 7: You know, I was like, yeah, we'll be ready, but
Speaker 7: you know, you know our schedule around your schedule. He
Speaker 7: said give me six months. And he was heavier then
Speaker 7: and then he lost all that weight for.
Speaker 1: The little role.
Speaker 4: So when he showed up, I was like, right, right guy, Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: but but he was perfect, but he was he took
Speaker 4: it serious. He took it really serious, and we were
Speaker 4: trying to do some other stuff. So it was it
Speaker 4: broke my heart.
Speaker 8: With another actor.
Speaker 6: One thing I always appreciated you, like kind of like
Speaker 6: with Spike, where you have your kind of crew of
Speaker 6: actors that can keep working with. Yes, and one guy
Speaker 6: that I always love, man Roy Fagan to He was like,
Speaker 6: I met Roy.
Speaker 8: I was like, so he was dangled Roy bro I
Speaker 8: met Roy. This was man.
Speaker 6: I was a kid, I'm like thirteen years old and
Speaker 6: I went to he was doing a play in my
Speaker 6: city in Greensville, North Caroline. He was doing a play
Speaker 6: at It was an Anti which is the hbc U
Speaker 6: in our tity and uh he was oning to play
Speaker 6: there and I afterwards, I just went down in the
Speaker 6: front row and you know, the cast came out, and
Speaker 6: I just started chopping up with him and talking about
Speaker 6: acting and like kind of like what is it like?
Speaker 8: Was it being?
Speaker 6: He was just giving me game? He's like, oh man,
Speaker 6: you know you seem like a smart kid. You know
Speaker 6: you got a nice commercial look, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like he was, he was cool and I always respected
Speaker 6: it and remember that, and I just wanted to know
Speaker 6: what was it like working with him because I.
Speaker 4: Always working again, Roy has been so Roy was the
Speaker 4: U was the bad guy in Hollywood Shuffle.
Speaker 7: That was like, don't sell out.
Speaker 8: You know he sold out?
Speaker 4: What's really happened in real life. That's one something that
Speaker 4: Keen and I wrote clear the audition. This guy messed
Speaker 4: our heads up. He was like, brother, don't go in there.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 4: They trying to get some brother to sell out again.
Speaker 4: Me and Keing like really really, And then he went
Speaker 4: in there with that same kind of energy. But no,
Speaker 4: Roy is just a great actor. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: like even a meteor man playing the bad guy. You know,
Speaker 4: he's just a versatile. He's just a really versatile actor.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, that what's up?
Speaker 3: Can you talk about why you decided to do this
Speaker 3: in DC?
Speaker 4: There was a part of me that the whole thing
Speaker 4: of Washington Justice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's why I wanted to there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: From Atlanta last episode.
Speaker 3: I was born to Howard University Hospital, sir.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so DC, I get it. I want
Speaker 1: to talk raw. But it just hit me. He's responsible
Speaker 1: for probably one of my best known songs in my Cannon.
Speaker 1: He's responsible for sometimes Block. Okay, So here's here's the story.
Speaker 1: Here's the story, and it just hit me right now.
Speaker 1: You directed Carmen the Hip Hop Opera. Yes, so here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Now, you know, I'm doing residency at Electric
Speaker 1: Ladies Studios and basically D'Angelo and I, you know, get
Speaker 1: along famously former friendship, and he's like, yo, when I
Speaker 1: make my second album, I need you to be my
Speaker 1: co pilot. We're going to start working on the Voodoo record.
Speaker 1: So from like ninety six till yeah, two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: we set up in the House of Hendrix, Jimmy Hendricks
Speaker 1: in the village, and that's our operations. So all these
Speaker 1: albums are coming here. The roots are making their records there,
Speaker 1: Danzels making his records, Ericabadu, anyone that's in that soul
Speaker 1: Quary and Neil Soul Bubble and so we're working on
Speaker 1: commons like Water for Chocolate album and he's coming in
Speaker 1: with an extra pepinist step today. He's like, yo man,
Speaker 1: He's like, I got an audition. It is older Yo man.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is it? And he's talking about yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna be an investigator like in a
Speaker 1: cop in this hip hopper and old Girl going to
Speaker 1: be in this too. I'm like, who's old Girl? He said,
Speaker 1: you know old girl from Bill's Bill Bilder, Oh Dusty
Speaker 1: style jot. Yeah, Like we didn't know her name whatever,
Speaker 1: so and so we now. The thing was even though
Speaker 1: I'm the guy who I'm the planner, I'm the bridge,
Speaker 1: I'm the person that introduces people all that stuff. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like my intent. But by year three I realized, like, okay,
Speaker 1: when I fell jam sessions, I'm bringing people together and
Speaker 1: when I'm producing people and bringing these musicians together, and
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I said, Yo, if COmON gets
Speaker 1: the this, this this part, in this role, then old
Speaker 1: Girl I'm gonna I'm gonna bring her into our world.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, all right, Beyonce, I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: her into our world. And so thing of the sitcom
Speaker 1: switch thing. So he comes in the next morning, he
Speaker 1: has like his sweater on, his tie, everything, his hat
Speaker 1: like he's coming to audition. He's not coming in his pajamas,
Speaker 1: like you know, we'll sleep there for five six hours whatever,
Speaker 1: and so common he's coming in all excited like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock this audition out whatever. And we're like
Speaker 1: all right, good luck, good luck, and we're looking like yo,
Speaker 1: you thinks going to get it. He's like, no, we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get it anyway. The thing of the thing
Speaker 1: of the sitcom switch where it's like you can do it,
Speaker 1: you can do it, switch back, and all dejected. I
Speaker 1: was like, what happened. Whenever you get the role, you
Speaker 1: get the roll. It's nah, man a man most audition too, Mannah,
Speaker 1: he's going to get it. So we got jokes. So
Speaker 1: that whole time we're just watching our our our dreams deferred,
Speaker 1: our dreams, just like sail Away. And basically what happens
Speaker 1: is we can't stop clown in common about losing this
Speaker 1: role acting with old girl, so we just start mocking
Speaker 1: Bill's Bills, Bills and all the The main line in
Speaker 1: Bills Bill's Bills says, I don't think you do. So
Speaker 1: that just became this ongoing joke for twelve hours, like
Speaker 1: we play something, no common, don't you got that role?
Speaker 1: So just what is going on all day and all day?
Speaker 1: And then once Most gets the role that we really
Speaker 1: start mocking. And by like mocking wom he says, by
Speaker 1: Most death my mom, he says, So for some reason,
Speaker 1: James Poyser just de sided to amalgamate the two songs
Speaker 1: Bill's Bill's Bills, and Umi says, and we did it
Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes for fun, and it.
Speaker 8: Blows like that's a gem.
Speaker 1: I like that right, And we're like, nah, man, it
Speaker 1: was cool, all right, let's let's figure out a new song.
Speaker 1: And now he's like, no, Noah, go go go go
Speaker 1: back to what y'all was just doing. And eventually our
Speaker 1: mocking of Bill's Bill's Bills, and Umi says, it's like
Speaker 1: one of Bellow's most loved songs sometimes.
Speaker 3: But best below song of all times.
Speaker 9: Then that's how that song came out yeah, but even then,
Speaker 9: maybe sixty percent of his vocals was just the one
Speaker 9: you know, like stevens our engineer at the time, like
Speaker 9: basically like he just took him.
Speaker 1: Fifty seven mic and was just singing anything.
Speaker 3: I wish I wasn't me and literally just.
Speaker 1: Literally that's how that song. But it was based on
Speaker 1: Common's experience without the car, right, it just.
Speaker 8: Hit me, You're you're directly what was that light man
Speaker 8: directing that? Just doing that like that?
Speaker 4: It was you know, I like taking on, you know,
Speaker 4: chances and trying different things. And when MTV approached me
Speaker 4: about doing a hip hop opera, I was like, ooh,
Speaker 4: that sounds a lot of fun. And initially they didn't
Speaker 4: want Beyonce because they were like, has she ever acted before?
Speaker 4: So there were certain executives that were giving me pushback.
Speaker 4: So so so here's the story. So then I have
Speaker 4: to go to New York to have the audition there
Speaker 4: she's doing something in New York, and I say, you know,
Speaker 4: we'll have her audition at the MTV office in.
Speaker 7: New York, you know, with the big windows and all
Speaker 7: that stuff.
Speaker 4: So anyway, she comes in and she comes in with
Speaker 4: a bodyguard because she's in Destiny's Child and she comes
Speaker 4: in with some A and R woman And so when
Speaker 4: she comes in, I can see she's nervous, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, she's nervous.
Speaker 7: And I'm like I had seen her.
Speaker 4: I had hosted some event in Cincinnati with Destiny's Child,
Speaker 4: and I go, she's really chrismatic that you know. I
Speaker 4: didn't know her name either, like Beyonce, but I was
Speaker 4: like that girl, that one singer is really chrismatic. You know,
Speaker 4: I could just tell what the camera like somebody. So anyway,
Speaker 4: I go, no, no, she should do it. And it's
Speaker 4: like Robert, you know, you want to get an actress.
Speaker 4: You know, she's never acted before. So so vin.
Speaker 7: She shows up.
Speaker 4: She's nervous, and so I go like, oh man, all
Speaker 4: the executives, you know, I don't want them to think,
Speaker 4: you know, they got me on this one. So I go,
Speaker 4: she goes, yeah, I mean I've never acted before, and
Speaker 4: so on and so on and so on, and so then
Speaker 4: I flipped the script. I said to the security, to
Speaker 4: the bodyguard, I said, you're gonna be acting in the scene.
Speaker 4: And then I say to the A and R woman,
Speaker 4: you're gonna be acting in the scene, and then they
Speaker 4: got really.
Speaker 7: Mister Telson, I don't act miss some towns.
Speaker 4: You acting today, And so then he grabs the script
Speaker 4: and he's shaking, and then the A and R woman
Speaker 4: she's nervous.
Speaker 1: Stephanie, I think I can think, Stephanie yes, And so she's.
Speaker 4: Nervous and then I see Beyonce get relaxed, and so
Speaker 4: then she gets relaxed. And then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: so we're going to do the scene. Now, this is
Speaker 4: the scene where you get shot. And I go, you
Speaker 4: get shot in the hip and you're gonna turn around,
Speaker 4: You're gonna spind around and so and so on.
Speaker 7: And so on and so, and she goes, yeah, let's
Speaker 7: do it again. Let's do it again.
Speaker 4: And she had to hold those red bottoms on rolling
Speaker 4: around the floor and her suit and everything, and she goes,
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 7: I don't care about that.
Speaker 4: And we were doing it again and again and again,
Speaker 4: and I just remember I showed this stuff to the
Speaker 4: studio and they were like, you're right, she is. I said,
Speaker 4: she hasn't acted before, but I said, she does her
Speaker 4: music videos, but this is a hip hop And so
Speaker 4: when we were on set, you know, the only thing,
Speaker 4: the only thing, the only thing that got tricky was
Speaker 4: that she was really a baby. She had never been
Speaker 4: in a relations you know what I mean. She was
Speaker 4: a baby that blew up. And so she was concerned
Speaker 4: about the kiss scene because she had to kiss Makai Pfeiffer.
Speaker 4: And so she would be like, I really kiss him.
Speaker 4: I said, well, it's a kiss, you gotta kiss him.
Speaker 4: And so then she was just so shy because she's
Speaker 4: a baby. So anyway, so every day she would ask
Speaker 4: me when we were shooting, is it today? And I says, no,
Speaker 4: the kiss doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: He was like, and it's like, it's day seven. No,
Speaker 4: it's not today, you know, day eight, No, it's not today,
Speaker 4: day fifteen, it's today, And she goes, oh, And so
Speaker 4: I said, just give me a good kiss, but she
Speaker 4: is not, you know. I said, watch me kiss my hand,
Speaker 4: and I do the whole hand kissing.
Speaker 7: I do the whole thing, you know, just to show
Speaker 7: her because she wasn't.
Speaker 4: And so then Makai wasn't helping because he's going like right, right, right, wait,
Speaker 4: come on, come on girl, come on, don't be shyd,
Speaker 4: don't be shy.
Speaker 7: And so so.
Speaker 4: Then you know it was it was so it was
Speaker 4: like comedy because then A kiss him and she goes
Speaker 4: and I go, no, no, no, no, you gotta kiss.
Speaker 8: Him a little bit longer.
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, how long, Robert, like three seconds?
Speaker 4: Three seconds and counting hand and though she's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you got to kiss him.
Speaker 7: And you know, I said, give me one, juicy one,
Speaker 7: and we're out of here.
Speaker 8: One.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, give me juicy rock Nations.
Speaker 1: Don't come after me that sugar Steve talking come after me.
Speaker 7: And so she finally does it, and then it comes together.
Speaker 4: But I just remember, you know, like now, when I
Speaker 4: see her, I was like, oh, she has grown. And
Speaker 4: when I watched her in Cadillac Records, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: just like, you know, she's just But I saw it
Speaker 4: back then, even when we were in the studio recording
Speaker 4: the rap.
Speaker 2: Did she look at any Dorothy dandrech stuff or did
Speaker 2: anybody even.
Speaker 4: I think I told her not to because I wasn't
Speaker 4: trying to compare performances because she she just you know,
Speaker 4: I could see she was a natural. She just needed,
Speaker 4: like I said, that little switch of the people acting
Speaker 4: opposite her made her relax and then I saw it
Speaker 4: and then when we were on set, it was just fun.
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you about a project that it
Speaker 6: never came out, not to my knowledge, the sunny Listing
Speaker 6: movie that you were working on with ving Rains.
Speaker 4: It was a very It was a company out of Canada,
Speaker 4: so it had like a really small release. I'm really
Speaker 4: proud of that movie being as a hell, let me
Speaker 4: say this. Ving Rains is an amazing actor and he
Speaker 4: doesn't get all the respect, you know. So what happened
Speaker 4: was I had finished I worked with him on the
Speaker 4: film Holiday Heart with Alfre Woodard and she got nominated
Speaker 4: for the Golden Globe for her performance. And Ving he
Speaker 4: had just come off a baby boy, but then he
Speaker 4: was playing this gay man and I mean he was
Speaker 4: just brilliant in it.
Speaker 7: Brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 4: So after we got finished with the film, he was
Speaker 4: he says, hey, man, I'm working on this movie in
Speaker 4: Canada with this small production company. It's a sunny listing.
Speaker 4: He goes, I don't like this director. I'm spoiled because
Speaker 4: I got to work with you, and you know, people
Speaker 4: really love you, know working you know, our chemistry as
Speaker 4: a working team and so then I flew to Toronto
Speaker 4: and we shot the movie up there. It's available on DVD,
Speaker 4: but it's like a small production company out of Toronto.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I saw it.
Speaker 6: I mean this has been years ago, Like I saw it,
Speaker 6: but I always wondered why it never you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because because there was something about there was stuff
Speaker 4: going on behind the scenes with the money and you know,
Speaker 4: with the production company.
Speaker 7: But thing does an amazing.
Speaker 8: Job the movie.
Speaker 7: Man, Thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Can you can you talk about the process of Raw
Speaker 1: because the thing is, if someone asked you to shoot
Speaker 1: a concert film, you really can't reinvent the wheel, right,
Speaker 1: But is the pressure on is there a pressure on you?
Speaker 1: Because I mean by that point, I know that for
Speaker 1: certain comedians in uh, the sixties Cosby albums are their
Speaker 1: north star prior albums? Are you know the north star
Speaker 1: of seventies comedians? And you know, Delirious was pretty much
Speaker 1: like people knew it was an instant classic the second
Speaker 1: it came out. So in your mind, are you like, like,
Speaker 1: what's what's the planning.
Speaker 8: Process for.
Speaker 10: Raw?
Speaker 1: And you know and that that how did you have
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to know who Samuel Jackson was or uh,
Speaker 1: but Richmond, let's say Dion Richmond or Ashley like you
Speaker 1: have in that opening sketch, like these are establish.
Speaker 7: Let's see, but you know, you know what it is.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like I have laser eyes when it
Speaker 4: comes to casting, Like my eyes are like laser focused.
Speaker 4: So even back then, I'm looking and I can tell
Speaker 4: when people really have the talent, they really have the gift.
Speaker 4: And like Sam, I just knew he had something special.
Speaker 4: I could just tell and I was like, oh, he
Speaker 4: can he can improvise, he can do whatever. And then
Speaker 4: with the kids, Uh, there's a reason why people are stars.
Speaker 4: There's a certain look, there's a certain energy, there's a
Speaker 4: certain frequency. So when I'm casting, I cast on people's energy.
Speaker 4: And so even back then, those baby actors they had
Speaker 4: that little spark, and I saw the spark with Sam.
Speaker 4: You know, I see a lot of actors and some
Speaker 4: actors are not magical, you know. I mean, I'm hard
Speaker 4: on talent, you know, because I mean if I've casted right,
Speaker 4: then they will be perfect for the role.
Speaker 7: If I've done my job, and you go like.
Speaker 4: There's something extra going on, Like people don't know that
Speaker 4: there's extra sauce going on like like baps. For example,
Speaker 4: Natalie who played opposite Hallie. The studios wanted me to
Speaker 4: cast whatever black actress was on television at that time,
Speaker 4: and it's like, well, she's hot, she can get on
Speaker 4: the Tonight Show, she can get on letter Men, she
Speaker 4: can get on so and so on and so on
Speaker 4: and so and I was like, no, it's got to
Speaker 4: be about chemistry. And she happened to be in an
Speaker 4: acting class with Phason Love and Fason goes, there's this
Speaker 4: girl that's in my acting class that I think could
Speaker 4: be perfect for your movie. And I said, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll meet her at your house. And we did a
Speaker 4: two hour improv doing all the scenes from the film.
Speaker 4: And so I was like I finished doing the improv
Speaker 4: with her, and I was like, she's the star.
Speaker 7: She's the one who's going to be in the film.
Speaker 7: With Halle.
Speaker 4: I call the studio and the studio goes, Robert, Robert,
Speaker 4: she hasn't made a movie before.
Speaker 7: You know, what do you mean some unknown with Halle?
Speaker 7: I said, would you just look at her?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 7: Just look at her.
Speaker 4: I think she's I think she's got something special. So anyway,
Speaker 4: he says, well, bring it to the callbacks whatever. So
Speaker 4: we have the callbacks and I'm scouting locations that day.
Speaker 4: So I've got the top black actresses from television, movies,
Speaker 4: theater all waiting for a callback. Now, I nothing against
Speaker 4: any of them, but I need a certain chemistry with
Speaker 4: you know, this is Hallie's first real comedy comedy, so
Speaker 4: I'm like, she's going to be a fool in it,
Speaker 4: and I need to create a comedy team that we've
Speaker 4: never seen before. So I get there. Natalie is a
Speaker 4: nervous wreck, you know, and I see I come in.
Speaker 4: I go, hey, everybody, thank you guys so much. Sorry,
Speaker 4: I was running late. We were scouting blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And so then I look at Natalie and she's like rabbit.
Speaker 7: You know, And so I pull it to this side.
Speaker 4: I say, come here, girl, come here, and she's like,
Speaker 4: you know, like I know half these actresses from TV
Speaker 4: and movies.
Speaker 7: What am I doing here? Robit?
Speaker 4: What am I doing here? This is a big mistake.
Speaker 4: I ain't never done nothing. So anyway, I said, would
Speaker 4: you just relax and just be cool? So I said,
Speaker 4: don't worry about that, dude, be who God made you
Speaker 4: to be. Just walk through that door. So anyway, she
Speaker 4: walks through. We bring all the other actresses in. She
Speaker 4: walks through the door. The whole time we're sitting behind
Speaker 4: a table like this, Hallie's on this side, executives over here,
Speaker 4: other people, and Hallie has the script reader read with everybody,
Speaker 4: and she's just watching and she'll read, you know, blah
Speaker 4: blah blah.
Speaker 7: When Natalie comes in shaking a little bit, she goes, Hi, y'all,
Speaker 7: this is my first big audition.
Speaker 11: I hope you know.
Speaker 7: And then Hallie gets up from behind the.
Speaker 4: Desk and walks up and hugs her and said, let's
Speaker 4: read together.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: Advice was so when my dad taught me how to
Speaker 1: audition musicians, which is, you pick the simplest ballot ever
Speaker 1: m h and make them audition the easiest ballot ever,
Speaker 1: like fing of something simple, like color my World by
Speaker 1: like Chicago whatever, just something very It's almost like Chop
Speaker 1: six level of easy. And he tells me, and I
Speaker 1: would say, Dad, why why do we we got more
Speaker 1: intricate songs in the show, like listen audition none? He says, No,
Speaker 1: He says, because the ballot will reveal to me, like
Speaker 1: a musician will fall apart if he can't just do
Speaker 1: the simple task of you know. So it's like forget,
Speaker 1: forget the solid and the fels and all of that.
Speaker 1: And even now, like with my group, if I present
Speaker 1: something really intricate, they will put their mind power to
Speaker 1: study it, you know. But if it's just do nothing
Speaker 1: except this every three seconds, it's the hardest thing in
Speaker 1: the world. What is the director's equivalent of that in
Speaker 1: the audition process, because in about three months, I'm about
Speaker 1: to go through this process and I don't know what
Speaker 1: to look for or cheat codes to have they have it,
Speaker 1: they don't have it, Like what do you look for
Speaker 1: when you is there a specific go to? Uh so
Speaker 1: let me say so.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, I mean here's the it's easy.
Speaker 7: I make it very easy.
Speaker 4: The first thing is that I don't touch the actors initially.
Speaker 4: I don't even you know. I said, let me see
Speaker 4: your instincts, let me see how you see the role.
Speaker 4: Let me just see your instincts. I don't even direct
Speaker 4: them initially. So then then they'll go like I want
Speaker 4: to do, and I just go relax, breathe, breathe, like right.
Speaker 7: Now, breathe, breathe, breathe. Take your time, close your eyes.
Speaker 4: Okay, whatever is stressing you worried about, get it off
Speaker 4: of you.
Speaker 7: Shake the energy out, shake it out. Check it out.
Speaker 7: Check it out, check it out, check it out.
Speaker 4: Here we go, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle, settle.
Speaker 7: Do whatever you want to do. Here we go and action.
Speaker 11: So now I ain't be got no weapons, no, but
Speaker 11: but so so.
Speaker 4: Once I see their natural instincts, I can see if
Speaker 4: they you know, it's kind of like probably with musicians,
Speaker 4: you can see that little magic or little flur or
Speaker 4: something and you go like, oh, there's something there. I
Speaker 4: let them do that, and then then I start to play.
Speaker 4: Then I go, oh, I love what you're doing. Hey,
Speaker 4: can you do a be got no weapon again? But
Speaker 4: this time I want you to put yours, take your
Speaker 4: glasses off and put them on, and go, I ain't
Speaker 4: be got no weapon. And then I'll just give them
Speaker 4: like little things to play with, and then I'll just start.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just I'll get on their frequency. So
Speaker 4: part of it is like getting on their frequency because
Speaker 4: it depends on the role. Like, oh, I had a scene,
Speaker 4: there's a movie I did I'm really proud of.
Speaker 7: And it was like this little film called in the Hive.
Speaker 4: It's with a little retta Divine and it was Michael
Speaker 4: Clark Duncan's last movie, Wow, And she was nominated for
Speaker 4: the NAACP Image Award for Best Actress. And you know,
Speaker 4: and the movie was so powerful and there's scenes with
Speaker 4: him and they are so powerful. We played a scene
Speaker 4: at his funeral when he passed. The family was like,
Speaker 4: could you play this scene because it just showed him.
Speaker 4: But here's my directing style. I'll give you just like
Speaker 4: a little tibbot. So anyway, there's a young actor. He's twenty,
Speaker 4: but he hasn't done anything, and he's got this monologue.
Speaker 4: He's playing a kid that's supposed to be fourteen, but
Speaker 4: he's old. He looks really young. So anyway, there's a
Speaker 4: scene where it's based on a true story of this
Speaker 4: woman in North Carolina who was the cook of the
Speaker 4: school and when all the kids were getting kicked out
Speaker 4: for drug Deane leading gangbang.
Speaker 7: And she says, I'll take them, I'll teach him.
Speaker 4: And she starts at school with this football player played
Speaker 4: by Michael Clark Duncan. So anyway, the kid has a
Speaker 4: long monologue where he's supposed to break down and cry,
Speaker 4: and so he couldn't cry for some reason. And I
Speaker 4: only do like three takes. I never do more than three,
Speaker 4: maybe four. If the camera has a bobble or something,
Speaker 4: I only do three takes. And I was up to twelve,
Speaker 4: and so the crew is looking at me like rob
Speaker 4: he ain't gonna cry. We are not gonna get it.
Speaker 4: So then then I have to dig into my bag
Speaker 4: of tricks. So then I say to him, I said,
Speaker 4: you're working with Michael Clark Duncan and Loretta Divine and
Speaker 4: Robert Towns is directing you. I said, who is not
Speaker 4: with us? That would be so proud of you right
Speaker 4: now in this moment. So he goes my aunt Betty,
Speaker 4: and I said, your aunt Betty, And so I said,
Speaker 4: you know what, I said, Loretta, can you come over here?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 4: Loretta was on Broadway and dream Girls, and so I said, Loretta,
Speaker 4: can you sing precious.
Speaker 7: Lord Lord we're gonna do And so she starts to
Speaker 7: sing Pras's Lord, take my hand, lead me on. And
Speaker 7: so I said, you're.
Speaker 4: Here at at Betty's funeral, And she is so proud
Speaker 4: of her nephew who is working on this movie, crying,
Speaker 4: rod cameras, roll cameras, Here we go, here we go,
Speaker 4: eighty camera, let's go, please, here we go, background, background,
Speaker 4: here we go.
Speaker 11: Settle, settle, settle, settle, and.
Speaker 7: Action.
Speaker 4: Now here's the part he starts doing it. The scene
Speaker 4: is perfect, he's crying the whole thing. But this is
Speaker 4: where it gets messed up. He couldn't stop crying. He
Speaker 4: released so hard. He says, I had never cried at
Speaker 4: her real funeral. He goes, I never released, and I
Speaker 4: just held him, you know, and like certain times as
Speaker 4: a director, because you know, I have the arsenal. I
Speaker 4: felt bad because he got the performance. I got the
Speaker 4: performance I wanted, but he had never really released at
Speaker 4: his own. The same thing happened with Natalie Cole when
Speaker 4: I was working on the Natalie Cole Stories about her
Speaker 4: life and she had a monologue and I just remember, Oh,
Speaker 4: she had a monologue. He's talking about her father. It
Speaker 4: is like Angel on my Shoulder for NBC. And so
Speaker 4: Natalie she she had this monologue because she was she's
Speaker 4: in it, performing in it, and she's also doing the narration.
Speaker 4: So she goes, my father was such a powerful man
Speaker 4: when he would sing his songs. I remember so and
Speaker 4: so and so and so, and she did it really perfectly,
Speaker 4: and that part of my brain where like that extra
Speaker 4: sauce comes in. I go, I go, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: he really lived, he really lived. And she goes like
Speaker 4: h and we go behind the green screen and she's
Speaker 4: crying in my arms because she goes, I forgot my
Speaker 4: father because it's all.
Speaker 7: Like not king cold, you know, i'nforget about.
Speaker 4: And then she goes like, I said, this moment here
Speaker 4: is really about you talking about.
Speaker 7: That real man rather than like my father.
Speaker 4: He was like, right, like if you've talked about your
Speaker 4: father or your mother, whatever, you would go my mother.
Speaker 4: You would like my mother was And she released and
Speaker 4: then we cleaned her makeup up and did the whole thing,
Speaker 4: and then we did it again and it was grounded
Speaker 4: and it was real. But it's like sometimes like like
Speaker 4: for you, if you talk about directing or creating and stuff,
Speaker 4: you got to get on that frequency of the actors.
Speaker 8: The actor was the actress was was that? Who played her?
Speaker 8: I remember.
Speaker 7: She was? She was really good?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, wow?
Speaker 1: How was it working with her? Wonderful?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 7: I mean we had so many because she was you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Like when an artist lives a life and you talk
Speaker 4: about surrounding yourself with good people, and there were certain
Speaker 4: people in her life that were like snakes and took advantage,
Speaker 4: and so we would have those real conversations, which which
Speaker 4: breaks your heart because there's there's a constant learning curve,
Speaker 4: like you, you got to learn this world.
Speaker 7: You got to learn.
Speaker 4: Okay, Hey, so and so the business manager are okay,
Speaker 4: so and so the agent so on, So my lawyer,
Speaker 4: can I trust them?
Speaker 7: Oh? My best friend? Is she really my best friend?
Speaker 7: Does she hate me? You know what I mean? Friend
Speaker 7: of me? You know?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 7: So, you know, it's stuff like that that just kind
Speaker 7: of breaks your heart.
Speaker 8: You have a favorite Natic Cole song, Real Quick.
Speaker 7: Inseparable Costa.
Speaker 1: My mother.
Speaker 6: I watched that movie my mother. She I think we
Speaker 6: me and my mom just to watched that movie together,
Speaker 6: and I think about it. Natalie Cole was her favorite singer,
Speaker 6: and nat King Cole was my granddad's.
Speaker 8: Favorite sing Oh man, that was like again, that was again?
Speaker 6: Man, You really created those moments that like really brought
Speaker 6: like generations together, man, Like for real.
Speaker 1: I heard a story from Keenan or someone in Keenan's
Speaker 1: family saying that initially did the MPAA board wanted to
Speaker 1: give Raw an X rating.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: I did the whole story about that because basically you
Speaker 4: asked me, like, what was the hardest thing? You know, like,
Speaker 4: when you're working on Raw, you gotta comedian. It's a
Speaker 4: genius and Eddie is a genius. And so I you know,
Speaker 4: like I talk all the time when I direct, you know,
Speaker 4: when you cast really well, you direct like this, that's
Speaker 4: all I do that if I've cast really well, that's
Speaker 4: all I do. So Eddie's a master comedian, so you
Speaker 4: can't really direct him. You can give him notes and
Speaker 4: make an adjustment. Hey, you could be a little bit
Speaker 4: more animated when you do that bit. Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be on your face here, so just give me a
Speaker 4: little bit. So I said, you know, but you could
Speaker 4: go a little bit further with the body here.
Speaker 1: So how many shows did you shoot too?
Speaker 4: At the Paramount Theater at the Paramount Theater in Madison Square,
Speaker 4: Regard And so we did the two shows. So anyway,
Speaker 4: we do the two shows, We're all excited, happy. I
Speaker 4: put my cut together. I showed a cut to Keenan.
Speaker 4: Keenan loves it. We make adjustments. I show it to
Speaker 4: the studio, the studio loves it. I show it to Eddie.
Speaker 4: Eddie loves it. Everything is great. We're gonna have a
Speaker 4: big hit. Studio calls back, we got a problem. We
Speaker 4: got a big problem. We showed it to the ratings
Speaker 4: board and they've given it an X rating. You're gonna
Speaker 4: have to recut everything what And Eddie was like, nah,
Speaker 4: I ain't cutting shit, bullshit, bullshit, and so then he goes,
Speaker 4: I ain't cutting nothing. And so then the studios like, look, Eddie,
Speaker 4: we can't release an X rated film, Eddie.
Speaker 7: They're willing to work with us, Eddie. They're working to
Speaker 7: work with us.
Speaker 4: And so then we have to have this emergency meeting
Speaker 4: at Eddie's house and we have the lawyers from Paramount
Speaker 4: and the lawyers from the ratings board, and they're all
Speaker 4: around this long table in Eddie's house and they've counted
Speaker 4: every curse word in the film, and you know, he's
Speaker 4: got a lawyer.
Speaker 10: There's seventy two motherfuckers, fifty two bitches, thirteen cunts, and
Speaker 10: various various cocksuckers. So let's begin and so then are
Speaker 10: you taking that motherfucker? Are we taking that motherfucker?
Speaker 3: How many motherfuckers for an R?
Speaker 4: And so we go back and forth, we go back
Speaker 4: and forth and we negotiate, and then we finally nine
Speaker 4: for the line.
Speaker 1: You guys had to negotiaate.
Speaker 4: Yea then and then Eddie would get upset that. Eddie
Speaker 4: goes like, no, no, no, I need that motherfucker. I'll give you,
Speaker 4: I'll give you two bitches and a hope for that motherfucker.
Speaker 11: And so we go back and forth, back and for
Speaker 11: a back and forth, back and.
Speaker 7: Forth, and he goes, we finally have an R. No,
Speaker 7: this is good, this is good. This is good. I
Speaker 7: think I think we're all there. We're almost there. And
Speaker 7: so they go to the.
Speaker 1: Whole thing, what is it like to have it? And
Speaker 1: then suddenly you have to dissect and well.
Speaker 7: You know, I mean, here's the thing. It's part.
Speaker 4: You know, the film is called raw, and it really
Speaker 4: was raw. He had you know, Eddie's a genius man,
Speaker 4: he's a genius. So there was no filter and it
Speaker 4: was like but it was like having a front row
Speaker 4: to watch pure genius. I mean, he's still that guy,
Speaker 4: he's still that guy. So it's like watching pure genius.
Speaker 12: I know this is kind of a ridiculous concept, but
Speaker 12: did anybody bring up the idea of like a clean
Speaker 12: version of raw? Like, was that even like an option?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 4: At that point, Eddie was so no, because see, at
Speaker 4: that point, Eddie was so far you know, he was
Speaker 4: like he was a rock star.
Speaker 8: God.
Speaker 12: What I'm saying the way you can release a song
Speaker 12: now that's like a clean version.
Speaker 4: And people ask me all the time, how much did
Speaker 4: you cut out? And it's like, yeah, we cut out
Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff. But it was like being a surgeon, like, okay,
Speaker 4: take this one. I'll take that fuck out. Because he did,
Speaker 4: you know, the Italian guys grabbing their ball, you know
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 7: I mean, he was just on some just he's a genius.
Speaker 1: He's a genius.
Speaker 7: But we couldn't. We couldn't do. It would have just
Speaker 7: been beep peep, peep, peep peep.
Speaker 1: Is there a director's cut in your layer?
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish there could be a director's cut,
Speaker 4: But I mean that was so long ago, and then
Speaker 4: after we went through cutting, cutting, cutting, cutting, you know,
Speaker 4: it would be a nightmare to try to figure it out.
Speaker 1: We can go through your entire cannon. But we be
Speaker 1: here for twelve hours, but we got at the bear.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you playing Ao's father, Like, man,
Speaker 1: what is what is it?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 7: You know, let me say this. Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: It is so well written, so well directed, produced, wonderful
Speaker 4: talent cast. So you know, for me, you know, she's
Speaker 4: she loves me from the parenthood. She was like that
Speaker 4: was my growing up and blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh, and so.
Speaker 4: When they reached out, I was like, I'd love to
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. I was watching the show before
Speaker 4: they even called and said, Hey, would you like to
Speaker 4: be a part of the world, because it's just so
Speaker 4: I just like quality, man, and it's a quality show.
Speaker 4: And so I don't know what's going to happen in
Speaker 4: the next season, but you know, everybody's you know, loving it,
Speaker 4: and I just feel blessed to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say, and we we we
Speaker 1: got to get her on the show. I saw Bottoms
Speaker 1: this this weekend and she's like, that's that's the Stars
Speaker 1: Stars Born Movement.
Speaker 3: Ban Camp thing too. She got a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she is everything going doing stuff with Tyler
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But man, you know, I know
Speaker 1: this is going to be one of those things where
Speaker 1: when you leave then we're just going to be going
Speaker 1: back and forth, right exactly like, did I exhaust everything?
Speaker 3: You're still teaching at USC, professor? Yes, okay, And the class.
Speaker 4: Is I'm directing mixed, you know. Let me say you know,
Speaker 4: let let me say this. I'm tenured at USC directing
Speaker 4: and so so let me say this.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 4: I'm like probably one of the few professors where I
Speaker 4: have more students in my class than are registered.
Speaker 5: Ill to find out you can just go sit in,
Speaker 5: people come people well you know, students, you know out
Speaker 5: they love you know, here's the thing, you know, it's
Speaker 5: kind of like it's like.
Speaker 4: I want everybody to live their dream and if and
Speaker 4: and and I My philosophy is that if you want
Speaker 4: to direct, write, produce, you can do it. You just
Speaker 4: got to be willing to go the extra mile. So
Speaker 4: a lot of the students I see their hunger like
Speaker 4: they want it. And then sometimes there's professors that don't
Speaker 4: know how to reach them or communicate. And the students
Speaker 4: that I have, you know, and I and I just feel.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, like like when you're a kid
Speaker 7: and you go like when.
Speaker 3: I grow up, I'm gonna be a actor or writer, director.
Speaker 7: Of producer and a professor and I'm a literal.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so so the students, I love it when they
Speaker 4: have their breakthroughs. And so my babies, they're all, you know,
Speaker 4: they're my babies, my cinematic babies, and they're having Like
Speaker 4: one of my students, Christian uh won the DGA Award
Speaker 4: for a student and I was like, and I work
Speaker 4: with that boy, and I was just like he won,
Speaker 4: and I was like he's and he's really good. He's
Speaker 4: really good. So so I just.
Speaker 7: Feel I just feel blessed.
Speaker 3: Speaking of your babies, we got to talk about your baby.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, yeah, yeah, what is it? What is it
Speaker 1: like to see her? Her level of comedy is frightening
Speaker 1: because what she's like, she's she when she jumps into
Speaker 1: those characters, like there's I know people that can jump
Speaker 1: in the character, especially like I've been at thirty Rock
Speaker 1: for like fifteen years now, and so watching people like
Speaker 1: the level of improvisation that like if any of those
Speaker 1: SNL failing, like anybody in that stratosphere. They get into
Speaker 1: a circle, they just start improvising, like it's the magic,
Speaker 1: like the Harlem Glupe child is like that sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, all your children like that, like they
Speaker 1: all have special it's a supernatural level watching her, dude.
Speaker 4: And you know, here's the thing, you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: kind of like we are all blessed and if you
Speaker 4: walk in your purpose, she's been blessed with a lot
Speaker 4: of talent, I mean. And yes, on the show, she's
Speaker 4: showing you her character. She can go so deep, you know,
Speaker 4: like sometimes we I'm blown away. But she's been doing
Speaker 4: it since she was little, Like she was a baby,
Speaker 4: Like when I used to take them to school. You know,
Speaker 4: we would play we called it the radio game, and
Speaker 4: I'd be in the car and I'll just change the
Speaker 4: radio station and whatever music is and we go to
Speaker 4: the different stations. And so if it's French, she'd be back there.
Speaker 4: We'd be going French back and forth. If it was
Speaker 4: Southern so good morning. You know, we just do characters
Speaker 4: in British English if it sounded like the BBC. So
Speaker 4: you know, as a baby, she was doing that. So
Speaker 4: seeing her on the show. We just have these beautiful
Speaker 4: moments because I just want her to like I because
Speaker 4: at one point I was really hard on her and
Speaker 4: I said, let me stop, because yeah, well I didn't
Speaker 4: want to be the the Joe Jackson.
Speaker 7: Maybe do that?
Speaker 11: Boy?
Speaker 8: Do you do that?
Speaker 7: Damn boys, you got you better do it for the
Speaker 7: Wizard of I. You know, you better learn how to
Speaker 7: do that, you know, you know?
Speaker 4: So she So the thing is that I pulled back
Speaker 4: and we just have the best because she'll be working
Speaker 4: on characters and we'll just play and it's like, you know, it's.
Speaker 7: Like it's it's like it's like I got a question
Speaker 7: for you, like.
Speaker 4: As musicians like for me, Like she has a magical
Speaker 4: thing that she just you know, like she just lives
Speaker 4: in that pocket.
Speaker 7: When you're looking at musicians and artists.
Speaker 4: Do they have to have a level of magic that
Speaker 4: maybe somebody doesn't see?
Speaker 7: Is there magic involved?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I possess that magic. Yes, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful in how you use it, because
Speaker 1: one day that magic just wound up being my job.
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that even though I channeled that
Speaker 1: magic all the time, I was just it was the
Speaker 1: a level with so effort like Steph Curry, like I
Speaker 1: could phone it in. I can talk to you right
Speaker 1: now and literally do the same performance I did on record,
Speaker 1: Like that's how it is. The One thing I could say,
Speaker 1: like pre pandemic was I was not in love with
Speaker 1: music the way I was in love with it as
Speaker 1: a kid, Like as a kid, you know, teach us
Speaker 1: to play games with me, like, okay, name all six
Speaker 1: commodorees in twenty seconds, Okay, Ronald la pre Williams, Richie
Speaker 1: Thomas McClary, Like I was that guy. And then like
Speaker 1: when my fan base would suddenly like like approach me
Speaker 1: and you know, you know there'll be overzeals guy like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the Japanese B side that you did remix
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I'm not saying I was the guy
Speaker 1: that was easily annoyed. I'm willing todmit now. And in
Speaker 1: hindsight that a lot of my self deprecation not deserving it,
Speaker 1: Like I had to maybe create a character where it's
Speaker 1: like maybe I felt so guilty for the positioning that
Speaker 1: I'm in that I was willing to psychologically disassociate myself
Speaker 1: so like okay, yeah, I'm like I don't care about
Speaker 1: this shit, like oh man, all right, you know I'll
Speaker 1: be like, okay, calm down or thank you, just say
Speaker 1: just say you're a fan, and like I was that person.
Speaker 1: So I actually had to learn how to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: again in the pandemic because that's the first time my
Speaker 1: adult life that I did and do anything. Like I've
Speaker 1: been on stay since I was five with my dad
Speaker 1: and then the roots started in high school and then
Speaker 1: so I had to learn how to be vulnerable again
Speaker 1: and order to like actually love playing music and it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing, like it was a passion, then became
Speaker 1: a job, then became a burden. Then it just became
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore. It became obligation,
Speaker 1: like all right, they need to pay their rent, so
Speaker 1: let me. I'll still do this. But when you have
Speaker 1: silence on your hands, like we did with the pandemic,
Speaker 1: one of the things that my coach therapist said was like,
Speaker 1: you know, where's the mind state you want to get to?
Speaker 1: And she suggested to me, like, it sounds to me
Speaker 1: that you were your happiest with music at the age
Speaker 1: of eleven, So I need you to return to that
Speaker 1: eleven year old. And when you're like holding the world
Speaker 1: on your shoulders, you know, you're dismissing your responsibility. I've
Speaker 1: got time to you know, I got I got lives
Speaker 1: to you know, take care of eleven.
Speaker 8: Year old is why you got that, That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I had to allow myself the levity to
Speaker 1: be an eleven year old. So now I'm an eleven
Speaker 1: year old again, Like I would never be this giddy
Speaker 1: right now twenty fifteen, you know. Yeah, Robert.
Speaker 6: Roberts well Man like to your point, you ask him
Speaker 6: about magic. You know what I'm saying, is there magic?
Speaker 6: You know with musicians? You know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 6: there it absolutely is. And the thing about us, you
Speaker 6: know in our craft that I in my career, you know,
Speaker 6: going through it, you know that magic is elusive. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Like magic is, yes, you feel me.
Speaker 6: So it's like if you're working on an album. The
Speaker 6: thing with our crew we kind of take is like,
Speaker 6: all right, if I'm working on a record, you're gonna
Speaker 6: do some records and you're.
Speaker 8: Gonna have one record. That's a team that is like, yo,
Speaker 8: we bodied this shit.
Speaker 6: Fuck you we clap like fuck what you talking about
Speaker 6: fuck your opinion, we clap this.
Speaker 7: Ship up right.
Speaker 6: If you're lucky you I mean, if you get two
Speaker 6: ten's on an album, oh my god, but like you're
Speaker 6: gonna get that one. So for us, the mentality is
Speaker 6: kind of to your point is like good is the
Speaker 6: enemy of great Yes, we've been so we're so technically
Speaker 6: good at what we do.
Speaker 8: We can just pull up and do whatever and it'll
Speaker 8: be good.
Speaker 6: Fuck good. Good is the minimum. We're trying to get greatness.
Speaker 6: So if you getting a ten on one record, you
Speaker 6: feel me. If you got a ten, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: we know that's magic. We know that was you know
Speaker 6: that was our movie Dick. Okay, we called him one time.
Speaker 6: But if we got a ten, we can't have nothing
Speaker 6: else on this album that's less than an eight, because
Speaker 6: we've shown that we can hit a ten. So you
Speaker 6: come in here with these six and seven, funk out
Speaker 6: of here, brou like that, ain't not see I feel.
Speaker 1: Glory, glory.
Speaker 11: I feel glory, glory.
Speaker 1: What's your return?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 1: Off all your verses?
Speaker 2: Little just think I'm like, so, therefore, Fonte, what would
Speaker 2: you recommend to Robert as your ten album?
Speaker 3: What's the what's the one.
Speaker 1: Listening, and I know for you the listening is almost
Speaker 1: like my things all part, like when people say things
Speaker 1: for all part, I've been like a man, but I've
Speaker 1: done other albums. This is great, but I understan it's
Speaker 1: just the thing speaks to the person where they where Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what not what you saying? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because in my in my mind, I'm thinking Robert might
Speaker 2: not really know here. He don't know what your ten
Speaker 2: sound like, and he should probably know, so I would
Speaker 2: I would like to know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh man, like I got ten for us, I
Speaker 6: would say uh. On the little Brother's side, I think
Speaker 6: our last album, made a Little Watch. That was our
Speaker 6: first record in like ten years, and we just had
Speaker 6: I just developed a skill set, you know, as getting older,
Speaker 6: working in TV, learning the language of like storytelling, because
Speaker 6: that's essentially for me, that's what musicianship is.
Speaker 8: It's all story sure, and so you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So working working in TV, writing songs for TV, writing
Speaker 6: songs for Sessme Street, doing TV stuff like that really
Speaker 6: gave me a whole new uh skill set in terms
Speaker 6: of telling stories. And that translated it to like my
Speaker 6: MC and the songwriting. So I would say Maylow Washington,
Speaker 6: Leave It All Behind, which is the record I did
Speaker 6: with my other group, Foreign Exchange R and B group.
Speaker 6: We were now grant it.
Speaker 1: Would you send me all? I would say, the perfect
Speaker 1: gateway drug. He's also being honest and can't be a
Speaker 1: fan of something he's a part of. But what he
Speaker 1: represents is kind of like okay, so Drake has went
Speaker 1: on record to say that that's his hero. So Fante
Speaker 1: came along in the period in which when the Internet
Speaker 1: and social media and the blogsphere was becoming this standard.
Speaker 1: Like for you, it was pounding the pavement going to
Speaker 1: these brick and mortar curtay houses whatever, whereas now you
Speaker 1: can get a whole career based on this machine. He's
Speaker 1: the first person really take advantage of what this device
Speaker 1: had to offer in terms of He's made albums with
Speaker 1: people he's never met yet in other countries.
Speaker 6: Record I did Foreign Exchange my partner Nikola at the time,
Speaker 6: he was living in the Netherlands and I was in
Speaker 6: North Carolina and Durham, and so we were just on aim.
Speaker 6: We were on an instant Messenger and we would just
Speaker 6: send tracks through instant Messenger and we complete the whole album.
Speaker 6: We didn't meet until the album was finished. Like in person.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just recordistic piece. It's a classic album.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, listen listening.
Speaker 6: I've put up there connected our album, I'll see you stuff.
Speaker 6: But I said all that to say, man, you really
Speaker 6: hearing your story, Like I don't think you understand. Man,
Speaker 6: like you lit a fire, whether you recognize you do
Speaker 6: or not, you lit a fire under like so many
Speaker 6: black creators and black artists that were like Yo, were
Speaker 6: not waiting, fuck waiting, were not waiting on somebody to
Speaker 6: give us a chance.
Speaker 8: We're not waiting.
Speaker 6: We're gonna make the ship we want to make and
Speaker 6: figure it out how we're gonna do it.
Speaker 8: And I think, now you know.
Speaker 6: I mean a Robert Townsend in twenty twenty three, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, A young guy. There's so many
Speaker 6: touls now that you know you really don't don't need
Speaker 6: them to some degree. I mean, unless you trying to
Speaker 6: make you know, fucking something with iron Man in it,
Speaker 6: then yeah. But if you're just trying to tell a
Speaker 6: story that's true to you, if you know how to
Speaker 6: make it and you got your people, And I really
Speaker 6: like what you said about how you know. I mean,
Speaker 6: it was asking about the actors and it was like, yo,
Speaker 6: it was my word, Like that is the exact same
Speaker 6: way we run it.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 6: It's like everybody gets paid. You're gonna be compensated. You're
Speaker 6: gonna be shown that your value for your time. But
Speaker 6: if you can't, if you can't take a person that
Speaker 6: they were, they signature on me.
Speaker 7: Sure sir, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So it was just you really lit a fire under us, man,
Speaker 6: and like watching Hollywood shuffle, like I showed that to
Speaker 6: my kids. My boys are twenty two and seventeen, Like
Speaker 6: I showed them that movie and they laugh at it.
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? So you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So I just you again, inspiration. I can't it's too
Speaker 6: small of a word. Like you were a fucking and
Speaker 6: are a blueprint for us.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, thank you so much, thank you
Speaker 7: so much, thank you so much. I don't want to
Speaker 7: take it nowhere your think he gave the final thing.
Speaker 3: He's an aquarius, he can't take all these compliments.
Speaker 1: I accept compliments. Wait, oh, you're an acquiring too, of
Speaker 1: course you are.
Speaker 11: What is yours?
Speaker 1: January twentieth, Yes, wait, I'm right now making the obligatory
Speaker 1: phone call that I have to do whenever we do
Speaker 1: a classic episode. He's not going to pick up. He
Speaker 1: benefollow you, Jimmy, so you know, okay, so he's not
Speaker 1: going to pick up. Whenever we do an exemplary classic
Speaker 1: episode of Quest Love Supreme, I have to let Jimmy
Speaker 1: Jam know that he's going down a rink. Hours. We
Speaker 1: did that with Jimmy Jam was a six. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to be ninety minutes. It wanted to be six,
Speaker 1: three episodes, Jimmy, but then the Family Stand came in
Speaker 1: and did the most unexpected episode of all time. This
Speaker 1: this to me, I'm willing to say, this is probably
Speaker 1: the episode I needed, we all need. Jimmy jam is
Speaker 1: down on third place. Sorry sorry, Control.
Speaker 6: Is still a great album, Yes exactly, it wasn't the
Speaker 6: man hold on one of my favorite seat.
Speaker 7: I have to do this for.
Speaker 6: Come on, man, we left you alone think you was
Speaker 6: gonna leave that drinking and drugs ship before we left
Speaker 6: you long, thinking you was gonna come down like Harry Lennox, like,
Speaker 6: I love that scene, Hawthorn, God, just the actors, man,
Speaker 6: oh my god, big Red like.
Speaker 4: I saw him doing Shakespeare at thespeare.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was doing Macbeth and he was I think,
Speaker 4: you know, and I was like, this guy could be
Speaker 4: a bad guy, really good, you know, I mean he's
Speaker 4: he's a brilliant.
Speaker 8: Now your eye for talent man, like seriously, like we
Speaker 8: now we salute you, bro.
Speaker 1: Unpaid Bill, you missed a masterpiece of that list. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to glue.
Speaker 2: Are you still in contact with a marine because we're
Speaker 2: looking for her to give her some flowers too. Uh.
Speaker 4: I haven't talked to her, but I can get you know,
Speaker 4: because she did. We just they just released Hollywood Shuffle
Speaker 4: on the Criterion Collection.
Speaker 1: Yes they did.
Speaker 7: They did with Anne Marie. So I can reach out.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I can get the I can get you
Speaker 7: her number.
Speaker 1: Well on be having a Faneglo sugar Steve Layah and
Speaker 1: I'm paid Bill Bruh. I'm sorry, Robert that one Aftershode
Speaker 1: of math Man. Thank you very much. We'll see you
Speaker 1: on the scow around who Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 13: Thank you guys, thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 13: This podcast is hosted by a Mere quest Love Thompson
Speaker 13: lightas Saint clair Fonte Coleman Sugar, Steve Mandela and myself
Speaker 13: unpaid Phil Schriman. The executive producers are mere just walked
Speaker 13: into the goddamn room, Thompsin, Sean g and Brian Calhoun.
Speaker 13: Produced by Brittany Benjamin, Jake Paine and Liah Sinclair. Edited
Speaker 13: by Alex Conroy I Know Alex Conan. Produced for iHeart
Speaker 13: by Noel Brown, Mike Johns. Auto engineering by Graham Gibson
Speaker 13: at Iheart's l A Studio. Thank You very much.
Speaker 1: Mus Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more
Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.