Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome to the Get the Charge
Speaker 1: Podcast presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is
Speaker 1: Stephen and I'm the host as always, and in joining
Speaker 1: me is my guy Tyler. Tyler with some man, How
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 2: Tonight?
Speaker 3: Ed doing about as well as a Chargers fan who
Speaker 3: watched the chief Just when there's third Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: But hey, we've got some good drop content coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Super Bowl was a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: know you guys had a successful outing over at the
Speaker 1: Shoeing Household. Super Bowl parties are always fun. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a lose lose for me personally. Living here
Speaker 1: in the Central Valley. There's a lot of forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers fans and obviously Chargers against the Chiefs, so you know,
Speaker 1: it was I was rooting for my squares and my
Speaker 1: picks to hit, and some.
Speaker 4: Of them did.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty good. We have a great show planning
Speaker 1: for you guys again today. Mister Trevor Sikkima is back
Speaker 1: and we went through a ton of different draft scenarios
Speaker 1: this week. He's been in Las Vegas getting a lot
Speaker 1: of draft intel and obviously he's been at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and the Shrine Bowl, so just had a great
Speaker 1: time picking his brain about what the Chargers could be
Speaker 1: looking at in the first and second rounds and who
Speaker 1: could be potentially on the rise at the Combine here
Speaker 1: in a few weeks. So draft season always sneaks up
Speaker 1: on you, and we're coming towards the Combine in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, so it should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And appreciate Trevor so much for joining us today. Before
Speaker 1: we get to the interview with Trevor, of course, Tyler
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Speaker 1: That being said, let's get to this interview with mister
Speaker 1: Trevor Sikima. All right, guys, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: We are so happy to be joined today again by
Speaker 1: mister Trevor Sikima. Again you know him well from Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus and the Stock Exchange podcast. Strongly encourage you
Speaker 1: guys to go check that out. They had some great
Speaker 1: content over the last week or so from Radio Row
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. So we're very excited to have Trevor
Speaker 1: back on the show today. Man and Trevor, what'sup and
Speaker 1: how are you doing today?
Speaker 4: I am doing great, fellas, appreciate you having me back on.
Speaker 4: As always, We've had some news in y'all's neck of
Speaker 4: the woods since the last time I joined the show,
Speaker 4: which I have a feeling we're going to talk about
Speaker 4: a little bit. So I'm excited to talk some bath
Speaker 4: with you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's been certainly a busy ride over here
Speaker 1: in Chargers Land. Like Trevor mentioned last time he spoke
Speaker 1: to him, it was a lot of generality. Is just
Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting the feelers out there, especially
Speaker 1: before the Senior Bowl. So, uh, you mentioned it, Trevor,
Speaker 1: let's dive in here. You guys did a fix your
Speaker 1: franchise for the Chargers back in the day.
Speaker 2: Back in the day.
Speaker 1: I say that as it wasn't like two months ago,
Speaker 1: but you did a fix your franchise for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: And if I had told you back then that they
Speaker 1: would end up hiring Jim Harbaugh and Joe Hortiz, what
Speaker 1: would you have What would your thought process have been
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago if that were the outcome
Speaker 1: that you could have foreseeing coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I didn't know a lot about Hortiz, honestly,
Speaker 4: you know, when we went through this exercise, you know,
Speaker 4: with a lot of other teams, not just the Chargers.
Speaker 4: We did this Fix your Franchise series with a lot
Speaker 4: of other teams. I just didn't know a lot about Hortiz,
Speaker 4: And honestly, like after he got signed by the Chargers,
Speaker 4: I should have, right, It's just kind of hard, you know.
Speaker 4: You Head coach candidates, I feel like, are much more
Speaker 4: like in the open. There's so much more information about
Speaker 4: them than general manager candidates. But man, Hortiz has an
Speaker 4: impressive background. Obviously, been with the Baltimore Ravens for over
Speaker 4: twenty years, you know, comes up through the scouting department,
Speaker 4: truly worked his way up. So he started out just
Speaker 4: ground level, like everybody doing it for the love of
Speaker 4: the game, you know, all the all the the tireless
Speaker 4: hours and all that kind of stuff, and kind of
Speaker 4: worked up and then it's like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 4: give you more players that you're responsible for now, and
Speaker 4: then it was okay, we're gonna have you manage the
Speaker 4: whole staff, and then it was okay, we're gonna have
Speaker 4: you come up with the entire plan. So you love
Speaker 4: that because building through the draft is the way you
Speaker 4: build a good team. You know, free agency is there
Speaker 4: to supplement who you are going to draft. That's ultimately
Speaker 4: what that is. It takes a marriage of both of
Speaker 4: those things, pro personnel and player personnel, but the draft,
Speaker 4: that's that's the bones, Like, that's the foundation that you
Speaker 4: have of your team. So I love anybody that comes
Speaker 4: up through that background, especially somebody who has been ingrained
Speaker 4: at it, as Ortiz has been with the Ravens over
Speaker 4: their last couple of years. And then Harbaugh is somebody
Speaker 4: that we did mention in that episode for the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles Chargers, and the fit makes a ton of sense. Right,
Speaker 4: You go back to Harbor. Some people only think about
Speaker 4: his Michigan days, but you got to go back to
Speaker 4: the forty nine Ers days as well, and even before that,
Speaker 4: the Stanford days, Right, I mean, like he was coaching
Speaker 4: Andrew Luckett Stanford before he took over the forty nine
Speaker 4: Ers and made that one of the best rosters in
Speaker 4: the NFL. I mean, I was just watching NFL Network
Speaker 4: the the day and they were showing a replay of
Speaker 4: the Ravens forty nine or Super Bowl, and I'm watching
Speaker 4: this thing. I was like, dude, these guys are flying
Speaker 4: and you sit here and you're like pointing out the
Speaker 4: names of everybody that's on the forty nine Ers and
Speaker 4: Ravens roster, and it's like, that was one of the
Speaker 4: most impressive physical teams I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 4: And the Ravens ended up winning that Super Bowl, but man,
Speaker 4: it was just an impressive roster that the forty nine
Speaker 4: Ers had, and you could tell in that game. So
Speaker 4: he goes over to Michigan and obviously it takes a
Speaker 4: long time to rebuild a program in college football, especially
Speaker 4: up to a national championship level. And they win a
Speaker 4: championship this past year. I could have very well won
Speaker 4: it last year, won it last year as well. I
Speaker 4: don't think they would have. I think it was still
Speaker 4: be in Georgia, but it could have made it to
Speaker 4: the national Championship and back to back years probably should
Speaker 4: have over TCU. And it just speaks to the type
Speaker 4: of program builder that this guy is and I think
Speaker 4: that's the situation that the Chargers are in, not that
Speaker 4: their winning window is closed. I don't ever want to
Speaker 4: say that for any NFL team, because crazy things happen
Speaker 4: every single year, and rebuilds can happen very very quickly.
Speaker 4: I mean, look at the Houston Texas, right But it
Speaker 4: felt like a lot of chips were in the basket
Speaker 4: for the Los Angeles Chargers over the last two years
Speaker 4: of this daily era and it just did not come
Speaker 4: to fruition. And I think because of that, you're gonna
Speaker 4: have to turn the page on a handful of these players,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have to rebuild in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: But from whatever I've read and kind of what I
Speaker 4: know about these guys, now Ortiz and Harbaugh really good
Speaker 4: one two punch.
Speaker 2: For him moving forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really excited. Fans are so excited that the
Speaker 3: news dropped. The day that our last episode dropped. There
Speaker 3: was the what are the Chargers doing at A five
Speaker 3: episode that we had and then the Harbor news dropped,
Speaker 3: and I felt like, Okay, well, people are a bit
Speaker 3: more excited about that in terms of turning the page
Speaker 3: on some of these players and finding some other guys
Speaker 3: in the draft. Look, Jim Harbaugh is not gonna drop
Speaker 3: every player out of Michigan, but there's plenty of players
Speaker 3: coming out of Michigan this season. If you had to
Speaker 3: just based on the Chargers' needs and Jim Harbaugh and
Speaker 3: these players, I signed one player to the Chargers out
Speaker 3: of the draft class, who would that be?
Speaker 2: That's a tough one.
Speaker 4: Team's good, somebody, Yeah, it's it's I can't remember who
Speaker 4: it was. Might have been Alex Katsen, who who tweeted
Speaker 4: out a mock draft like right after the Harvard he
Speaker 4: was broke, and it was just every player from Michigan.
Speaker 4: And I remember responding to the tweet and I was like, no,
Speaker 4: this is stupid. And then I look at it more
Speaker 4: and I was like, actually, that wouldn't matter.
Speaker 2: Actually, So.
Speaker 4: If I had to, I mean, they're national champions for
Speaker 4: a reason, right, I'm gonna cheat. I'm gonna give you three.
Speaker 4: I think if I had to pick one and could
Speaker 4: only have one, it would be Chris Jenkins Junior, the
Speaker 4: interior defensive lineman. Interior defensive line is something that I
Speaker 4: know the Chargers are going to prioritize heavy either this
Speaker 4: year or the next They've got to get better up front,
Speaker 4: specifically in the middle. And I think that Jenkins, where
Speaker 4: his shortcomings are kind of his limitations as a pass rusher.
Speaker 4: Right now, dude is just as strong as an ox
Speaker 4: pound for pound, one of the strongest dudes in college football.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to really impress people at the
Speaker 4: combine that we have coming up here in a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks. And I think that if I had one player,
Speaker 4: it would have to be him to anchor and give
Speaker 4: a really big boost to the run stopping unit on
Speaker 4: that defensive line. But I'll also throw in there the
Speaker 4: fact that, man, if they got Roman Wilson, I think
Speaker 4: he'd be a fantastic deep threat as a receiver for him,
Speaker 4: and depending on what happens with Austin Eckler, Blake Korum
Speaker 4: could be a fantastic option for them in the mid rounds.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think you can get play Korum
Speaker 4: probably round three, round four, something like that. He was
Speaker 4: extremely productive. It just the running back group is I
Speaker 4: don't think seen as highly this year as other year,
Speaker 4: So you're not going to have to use a first
Speaker 4: or a second round pick on one. Maybe even get
Speaker 4: him in the third round and then the final one.
Speaker 4: Aj Varner the tight end I think that played at
Speaker 4: Michigan his past year, played at Iowa before that, and
Speaker 4: he's just a really solid run blocker. He really increases
Speaker 4: your ability to go to twelve personnel and heavy personnel sets,
Speaker 4: and you know that Harbaugh is going to want to
Speaker 4: continue that in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's especially on defense with Jesse Minster and basically
Speaker 1: like the whole Michigan defensive staff coming where I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're they're likely thinking about the Michigan defensive front and
Speaker 1: you know Junior Colson is certainly in this group, and
Speaker 1: same with Mikey sang Rustelle. Just real quick question about
Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins because we are gonna mention the Combine which
Speaker 1: is coming up in a few weeks as well. He
Speaker 1: was on Bruce Feldman's freak list, which happens every single fall.
Speaker 1: If you guys have not read that, please I definitely
Speaker 1: encourage you go do that. If he does test at
Speaker 1: the Combine, like Bruce Feldman would kind of seem to
Speaker 1: think he could be. Is Chris Jenkins somebody that could
Speaker 1: maybe launch himself into the first round or do you
Speaker 1: think he's kind of firmly Day two.
Speaker 4: I think there's a chance because he's he is a
Speaker 4: really good football player. He just undersized. Yeah, I can
Speaker 4: pull it up right now. I think I've got him
Speaker 4: into your defensive line. I have the projected numbers for him.
Speaker 4: When it comes to height, six foot two and a half,
Speaker 4: that's below the thirtieth percentile. For Chris Jenkins right aroun
Speaker 4: three to zero five, that's hovering right around the fiftieth percentile.
Speaker 4: So you know, when you are shorter and a little
Speaker 4: bit lighter, when you are a pass rush specialist, you
Speaker 4: can get away with that, right. I mean, like, it's
Speaker 4: not as drastic as Klidja Kntsy' been thinking about Kalaidejachancy
Speaker 4: last year. If the Buccaneers overlooked him and picked him
Speaker 4: or overlooked the height concerns, weight concerns because he was
Speaker 4: so good as a pass rusher. You're lighter, but you're
Speaker 4: making the most of being a lighter player With Jenkins
Speaker 4: is a little bit tricky because he's lighter and he's smaller,
Speaker 4: but he's just an ox Like what he does is
Speaker 4: run defense, and so he's a really good football player.
Speaker 4: If he got picked at the back end of the
Speaker 4: first round. I would not in any way be shocked
Speaker 4: and be like, wow, okay, good football player right there.
Speaker 4: But it just seems like because of the lack of
Speaker 4: pass rush production from him, he's going to be more
Speaker 4: of a priority second round player even from what we're
Speaker 4: about to see at the combine. Because you got to
Speaker 4: remember this too, the scouts and the general managers that
Speaker 4: have really already started this process, really put the big
Speaker 4: board together. They know Jenkins is gonna be a freak
Speaker 4: when it comes to a lot of those athletic testing.
Speaker 4: So what they're about to see in Indianapolis is not
Speaker 4: gonna surprise anybody. It's gonna be awesome for us to
Speaker 4: ooh and ah out and tweet about in all caps
Speaker 4: like I know that I'm gonna do. But for the scouts,
Speaker 4: for the scouts themselves, they already know what Christianky is
Speaker 4: gonna bring to the table.
Speaker 3: Let's stick with that. Let's stick with the combine. Who
Speaker 3: has the potential to, you know, earn themselves the most
Speaker 3: money at the combine?
Speaker 2: And is there a Jordan.
Speaker 3: Davis and Anthony Richardson in this class who's just gonna
Speaker 3: score up perfect ten out there.
Speaker 4: Man. You know, there's a handful of guys that I
Speaker 4: think are really good athletes. Jenkins was gonna be somebody
Speaker 4: that I was going to bring up. Fellow interior defensive lineman.
Speaker 4: Another guy who was on Bruce Felman's freaklist, Byron Murphy
Speaker 4: from Texas. I think he's gonna test off the charts
Speaker 4: as well. I think Byron Murphy's gonna test so well
Speaker 4: that it becomes fully consensus that he's gonna be the
Speaker 4: first interior defensive lineman off the board. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: somebody who has a chance to earn a lot of
Speaker 4: money is Austin Booker Dresser from Kansas. Now, he's kind
Speaker 4: of all over the place, one year full time contributor
Speaker 4: this past season, but he's just got long arms, a
Speaker 4: long frame. He's a little bit lighter. I think he
Speaker 4: plays in the two thirties. But I think this dude
Speaker 4: is super twitchy, and I think that his athletic scores
Speaker 4: could push him into the first round consideration. Ultimately, I
Speaker 4: think he's probably still going to be a second round guy.
Speaker 4: But anybody who's like, oh, an edge rresher for Kansas,
Speaker 4: I don't got to watch him It's fine. Austin Booker
Speaker 4: is really going to surprise you there. I think Cooper
Speaker 4: Dejean Corner, Queenya Mitchell Corner, I think they're gonna put
Speaker 4: on a show. Terry on Arnold, I think is the
Speaker 4: same way I would say. Peyton Wilson, the linebacker from
Speaker 4: NCI State. I think everybody is sitting here saying, oh,
Speaker 4: it's a down linebacker class. You know, there's not really
Speaker 4: one i'd take in the first round. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: what I recently got done with Peyton Wilson's filmy valve
Speaker 4: from this past season, and I go to twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two as well. It's kind of an all encompassing scouting
Speaker 4: report filming vow and I gave him a late first
Speaker 4: early second round grade. Now he's got injury history. He
Speaker 4: had a knee injury as a senior in high school.
Speaker 4: He had a knee injury towards ACL his first year
Speaker 4: at nc State. He's had a torn labor him on
Speaker 4: his shoulder that caused him to miss the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one season. Last two seasons he has been healthy, but
Speaker 4: there's a lot of wear and tear for an older
Speaker 4: linebacker in a position that demands you make hits every
Speaker 4: single time that you're out there. So I understand the
Speaker 4: injury concerns, But when this dude's out there on tape,
Speaker 4: I think he's a really great athlete, and I think
Speaker 4: that that's going to show up as them at the
Speaker 4: combine as well. Final guy, I'll give a shout out
Speaker 4: to cam Hart. The corner from Notre Dame, bigger, taller corner,
Speaker 4: and there were times when I saw him, you know,
Speaker 4: the hips are a little bit slower to turn, just
Speaker 4: because he's got so much body that he's turning. It's
Speaker 4: a natural thing that occurs with corners. But he was
Speaker 4: also on Bruce Felban's freak list, was clocked at over
Speaker 4: twenty three miles an hour when they had the personal
Speaker 4: GPS on him, and get a really good Senior Bowl,
Speaker 4: really good performance in Mobile. So he's somebody who's gaining
Speaker 4: positive momentum as this draft seasons going on. He might
Speaker 4: be somebody who really impresses this year as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the all caps thing. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I remember the Jordan Davis combine. I don't think I'll
Speaker 1: ever forget that one. There are obviously some negative combine
Speaker 1: experiences out there too, Trevor, who's somebody that you are
Speaker 1: kind of maybe anxious about testing poorly in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks here.
Speaker 4: I think the big one is lie out to La
Speaker 4: to the edge rusher from UCLA. I love his tape.
Speaker 4: He is one of my favorite prospects in this class.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a top twenty player for me.
Speaker 4: I don't really care how he tests, because no matter
Speaker 4: how he tests in Indianapolis, it does not take away
Speaker 4: the film that I've seen over the last two years.
Speaker 4: But he measures in with just thirteenth percentile arm length
Speaker 4: when he was at the Senior Bowl a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago. I think he's going to be a below
Speaker 4: fiftieth percent or sorry, a below a fiftieth percentile athlete
Speaker 4: for the position in probably every category. Probably all the
Speaker 4: explosive graz his least forty yard dash, ten yard split,
Speaker 4: broad jump, vertical jump, I think all those are probably
Speaker 4: gonna be below the fiftieth percent island. So when you
Speaker 4: have an edge rusher who doesn't have the length the
Speaker 4: ideal length, doesn't have the ideal explosiveness, there's not a
Speaker 4: lot of teams that get really jazzed up about that,
Speaker 4: But you cannot fake that production that he has, especially
Speaker 4: in the manner that he has had a for UCLA
Speaker 4: over the last two years. Ninety six point zero pass
Speaker 4: rush grade over these last two seasons, over twenty three
Speaker 4: percent pass rush win percentage, no question about it. Has
Speaker 4: been the most productive pass rusher in all college football
Speaker 4: from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. The hand
Speaker 4: uses is excellent. He understands how to give to the
Speaker 4: quarterback and disengage blocks, so so so well. But I'm
Speaker 4: nervous to warm. I am nervous warm because I like
Speaker 4: him a lot and he deserves to be drafted high.
Speaker 4: But if the combine performance isn't great, you might see.
Speaker 2: Him fall a little bit. Yeah, that's too bad. I
Speaker 2: think for for pro football focus.
Speaker 3: He's on like first or second in the class in
Speaker 3: grades first, and win rate first, in productivity first, and
Speaker 3: pressures like. It's just an unbelievable run and tear that
Speaker 3: he was on going back to the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 3: even the Shrine Bowl. Are there any ball winners that
Speaker 3: you would point out as individuals the Chargers would be
Speaker 3: interested in? And is the Jackson Powers? Johnson dream completely
Speaker 3: dead for the Chargers in the second round.
Speaker 4: So he was on my list. Actually, yeah, when I
Speaker 4: was when I was thinking about guys that really stood
Speaker 4: out that could fit for the Chargers, He's absolutely on
Speaker 4: my list. The last time that you and I, you
Speaker 4: guys chatted, we talked about into your offensive line as
Speaker 4: a potential need for him. Power Johnson had a phenomenal
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl to the point where, yeah, I think I
Speaker 4: think the Dreams pretty much did. Now I've heard that
Speaker 4: you know, he might have I don't know what. I
Speaker 4: don't know what injury it is, but somebody was telling
Speaker 4: me he won't there's a chance that he doesn't have
Speaker 4: a clean medical history, like there's something that might get
Speaker 4: flagged for him as as so maybe he slides a
Speaker 4: little bit, but I can't imagine these slides into the
Speaker 4: second round. So I unfortunately for you guys sake, I
Speaker 4: think that that dream is dead. If you want him,
Speaker 4: you would probably be in a situation where you're trading back,
Speaker 4: which you know. After listening to two Ortiza's opening press conference,
Speaker 4: we was asked about like team building. Very first thing
Speaker 4: that he said, Compex baby, give me context. He was
Speaker 4: He was like, I want to set up a environment
Speaker 4: where you get compet where well, okay, well how do
Speaker 4: you do that? You do that by drafting, well, obviously,
Speaker 4: and you draft a lot. So certainly the Chargers, to me,
Speaker 4: are not going to be a team that's going to
Speaker 4: move up at all. I think over the next two
Speaker 4: years is they kind of set themselves up for that,
Speaker 4: And I think that they're going to be in this
Speaker 4: situation where he's even going to entertain trading down from five,
Speaker 4: you know, Like that's how I mean when you come
Speaker 4: out of the gate and you were asked about your
Speaker 4: team building and drafting philosophy and you immediately say compix,
Speaker 4: like I want to set up compext, That to me says, okay,
Speaker 4: trading back for five is on the table because you
Speaker 4: got a lot of different options. You got wide receiver,
Speaker 4: you got offensive linemen, you got the brock Bauers element,
Speaker 4: you got corner, and you got a lot of these
Speaker 4: spots where you could trade from five to seven to
Speaker 4: nine to fifteen, and like you could get an impact
Speaker 4: player at one of those positions that I just listed.
Speaker 4: The further you move back, the more you get back
Speaker 4: and return. So I wonder if that's going to be
Speaker 4: the case. But yeah, anyways, getting back to it, Jackson
Speaker 4: powers Johnson think could be great for him. I'd be
Speaker 4: tricky to get him on the Chargers at this point,
Speaker 4: but he'd be great. Quinnon Mitchell is another one I
Speaker 4: mentioned lockdown corner. He's another one who you'd probably have
Speaker 4: to trade down to get Roman Wilson I mentioned already.
Speaker 4: I think is somebody that they need to look out
Speaker 4: for when it comes to Shrine Bowl guys. There were
Speaker 4: three guys that I thought of. Ronaldo Green the Florida
Speaker 4: State corner outside corner, really proficient in man coverage, press
Speaker 4: man coverage. If that's something that they want to run
Speaker 4: more of, get aggressive in that regard, which Michigan had
Speaker 4: the caliber corners to be able to do it this
Speaker 4: past year, especially with Will Johnson, who's going to be
Speaker 4: a high draft pick. I think next year. They are
Speaker 4: known to be aggressive in what they do in the secondary,
Speaker 4: so I think Bernardo Green from Florida State could be
Speaker 4: an option for them. Mason McCormick, Okay, this is somebody
Speaker 4: who South Dakota State interior offensive lineman, just an absolute
Speaker 4: ass kicker at the Shrine Bowl and he's somebody who, Okay,
Speaker 4: if you don't get if you don't get Jackson Powers Johnson,
Speaker 4: this is somebody that you might be able to get
Speaker 4: in round three who it's like, Okay, similar type of
Speaker 4: profile from the player, just maybe doesn't have as much
Speaker 4: hype because he was absolutely dominant during Shrime Bowl practices.
Speaker 4: And then so is Christian Boyd, the interior defensive lineman
Speaker 4: from Northern Iowa. He's another person who is absolutely unblockable.
Speaker 4: I talked about why Chris Jenkins junior would be a
Speaker 4: great fit because he hits an interior offensive line need
Speaker 4: or sorry, an interior defensive line need that the Chargers have.
Speaker 4: Christian Boyd is another person who if you can't get
Speaker 4: a Jenkins junior again, maybe wait a round or two
Speaker 4: and you're able to get Boyd. I think that those
Speaker 4: are some guys who stood out during Shrine and Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl weeks who could make good Chargers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I recently want the Penn State center Hunter Norzad, and
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. I know you saw
Speaker 1: him down there as well. Really a low KI love
Speaker 1: this center class in general, but I want to I
Speaker 1: want to circle back here because you and Connor Rodgers
Speaker 1: did your last episode about Lance zerlines mock draft, and
Speaker 1: he and Daniel Jeremiah both had the Chargers selecting Terry
Speaker 1: on Arnold. You mentioned quarterback a couple of times here.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the bigger draft guys are kind of
Speaker 1: cementing Tarryan Arnold as cebe one in this class. I
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to watch Quinnon Mitchell from Toledo.
Speaker 1: You mentioned him as a big Senior Bowl winner, maybe
Speaker 1: a potential combine winner. Is Arnold that farther that much
Speaker 1: farther ahead than Mitchell and the rest of the crowd,
Speaker 1: or do you think cebe one is still potentially after
Speaker 1: the grabs for a guy like quinnyat Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's the case. And I don't
Speaker 4: mean that it's just like Terryan Arnold at all. I
Speaker 4: mean I think that Terry On Arnold has all proceeedling.
Speaker 4: He really does. Him getting unanimously picked between Lance and
Speaker 4: DJ in the top ten I thought was a little surprising,
Speaker 4: I really did. But the need makes sense. I think
Speaker 4: the player makes sense for them. However, Queen on Mitchell,
Speaker 4: you talk about guys who graded really well, really well
Speaker 4: in PFF grades, it's really hard to have an elite
Speaker 4: coverage grade. It's very, very difficult. The job is so hard.
Speaker 4: The job is so difficult itself, and you know, PFF
Speaker 4: grades are simply you were getting graded off of, like
Speaker 4: were you able to do your job? And corner is
Speaker 4: the toughest position to grade well there. Quarterback is obviously
Speaker 4: difficult as well, because there's so much up and down
Speaker 4: that we hear it all the time, like you're gonna
Speaker 4: lose at corner, Like the corner is kind of like
Speaker 4: playing baseball, right, like everybody fails, You're gonna fail at
Speaker 4: some point. Nobody's bat in a thousand and so for
Speaker 4: you to have an elite grade at corner, it means
Speaker 4: that you are so consistently winning at the position, or
Speaker 4: at least giving so many impactful plays that it overcomes
Speaker 4: the natural, you know, catches that you're gonna allow. Queen
Speaker 4: On Mitchell had an elite PFF grade not just this
Speaker 4: past year, the year before as well. Nobody in college
Speaker 4: football had more forced in completions than him. He is
Speaker 4: extremely athletic, and I think we're gonna see that at
Speaker 4: the combine. And the only real question mark in his
Speaker 4: scouting report came with press coverage because he played off
Speaker 4: coverage most of the time. I whant to say most
Speaker 4: of the time. I mean he played four hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty seven coverage snaps this past year, only twenty of
Speaker 4: them were in press coverage, which is an astoundingly no
Speaker 4: low number. Yeah, he gets to mobile for the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 4: they put him in press coverage, same dominant dude didn't
Speaker 4: even blink an eye Like It's like he could have
Speaker 4: played that all on, Because that's the question. When you
Speaker 4: have such a discrepancy in style versus actual snaps, you go, Okay,
Speaker 4: are you not being put in that position because you
Speaker 4: can't play it? Or is it just because that's the
Speaker 4: overall scheme of the whole team and they're not really
Speaker 4: going to change it for you because they don't have
Speaker 4: the horses elsewhere to be able to run pressman coverage.
Speaker 4: And it turns out he could do this all along.
Speaker 4: So I really do think it is a battle for
Speaker 4: CB one between Queenya Mitchell and Terry On Arnold, and
Speaker 4: it might come down to who ends up having a
Speaker 4: better combined performance.
Speaker 3: Honestly, what do you think happened then with kool Aid
Speaker 3: mcinstrey because it felt like so early on in the
Speaker 3: process it was him.
Speaker 2: He was CB one.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a prospect fatigue thing, as
Speaker 3: they sort of say, what did happen over the course
Speaker 3: of the last few months or however long it's been
Speaker 3: for you or other you know, evaluators for McKinstry.
Speaker 2: Do you think, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's a little bit of prospect fatigue because we
Speaker 4: haven't been talking about him for so long. He's still
Speaker 4: a really good football player. But here's the thing. McKinstry
Speaker 4: does not have that elite, top tier athleticism that Queena Mitchell,
Speaker 4: the Terry and Arnold, the Cooper de gene that Nate
Speaker 4: Wiggins have. He's just not quite that caliber of an athlete. Now,
Speaker 4: I think that he's plenty good enough to be a
Speaker 4: starting cornerback in the NFL. And you want to talk
Speaker 4: about pressman coverage abilities. This guy is so comfortable with
Speaker 4: his back to the ball, and when you were playing press,
Speaker 4: that's what you need to be. You know, there's some
Speaker 4: corners they freak out when they cannot see the ball,
Speaker 4: when they're not allowed to keep their eyes on the quarterback,
Speaker 4: they freak out. They just don't have those instincts. McKinstry
Speaker 4: has phenomenal instinct instincts there. He is so cool, calm
Speaker 4: collected when he is playing in trail technique and that
Speaker 4: is that is an absolute art form. Queinya. Mitchell had
Speaker 4: the most forced in completions in the FBS over the
Speaker 4: last two years. McKinstry was second, you know, but he
Speaker 4: just he does not have mckinsrey. That is, he doesn't
Speaker 4: have that killer instinct when it comes to takeaways that
Speaker 4: some of these other guys have. When it comes to
Speaker 4: those interceptions, he'll bat the passes away, but he's not
Speaker 4: He does not have a ton of turnovers over the
Speaker 4: last couple of years. And then I just think there's
Speaker 4: a slight concern with you know, twitchiness and long speed.
Speaker 4: He's he's a really good athlete. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's at the level of these other four cornerbacks who
Speaker 4: are in this kind of tier one, tier two, first
Speaker 4: round conversation. So mckinsrey should absolutely still be a first
Speaker 4: round corner But I think the reason why you're not
Speaker 4: talking about him in the top ten like you are
Speaker 4: these other guys is because there might be a little
Speaker 4: bit of athletic limitation. Now, if he comes to the
Speaker 4: combine and he runs like four four flat, like if
Speaker 4: he starts threatening four threes, then you go, okay, never mind,
Speaker 4: like to move this guy back up because he's got
Speaker 4: great tape. But I just think that that's might that
Speaker 4: that might be what we see there when it comes
Speaker 4: to speed in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trevor, you obviously released a two round mock draft
Speaker 1: on Profiba Focus this morning. We're recording this on Monday evening.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of people around the draft
Speaker 1: community have really started a pencil in offensive tackle or
Speaker 1: rock Bowers for you know, the first round pick. You
Speaker 1: and your mock draft said that you are are kind
Speaker 1: of hearing that it's wide receiver or corner. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about those two positions today. Why do you
Speaker 1: think that is? Because it does sound like, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a certain other analysis said that he's ninety
Speaker 1: percent sure that it's going to be offensive line for
Speaker 1: the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Is that smoke?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How much do you buy the offensive line talk for
Speaker 1: the Chargers? Let's start there, and then why did you
Speaker 1: go in kind of a different direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't hate it, like I don't hate the
Speaker 4: wide receiver or the offensive tackle conversation with the Chargers,
Speaker 4: I really don't. When we went through the Ficture Franchise episode,
Speaker 4: I think that we actually gave them Joe Walt wherever
Speaker 4: they were selecting. I can't remember if the draft ord
Speaker 4: was solidified at that time or not, but I believe
Speaker 4: that we gave them Joe Walton. The thought was, man,
Speaker 4: you get two bookend tackles with with Joe Walton Rayshawn Slater,
Speaker 4: these two young dudes who are absolute studs. I think
Speaker 4: that that's sometimes the best way to go about protecting
Speaker 4: your franchise quarterback, and so that could be the best
Speaker 4: use of investment. So I definitely would not hate an
Speaker 4: offensive line investment. You think about Jim Harbaugh and how
Speaker 4: he built Michigan, it was straight up through the trenches.
Speaker 4: Michigan over the last two years has been one of
Speaker 4: the best offensive lines in college football. And when did
Speaker 4: Michigan really take that next step, Well, it was when
Speaker 4: those recruiting offensive linemen that he developed finally became juniors
Speaker 4: and seniors. He was when those guys were all playing
Speaker 4: together as a unit, and we're one of the best
Speaker 4: trenches offensive trenches in the FBS, so I don't think
Speaker 4: that it's impossible there. But you know, when I'm just
Speaker 4: you know, talking with people having conversations, you know, whether
Speaker 4: they're plugged in with the Chargers or not, I just
Speaker 4: felt like I continued to hear wide receiver or corner
Speaker 4: for that team. So definitely not taking offensive line off
Speaker 4: the table, but from what I have heard recently, it
Speaker 4: just felt like corner or wide receiver was the way
Speaker 4: they were going to go. Now, obviously, like let's let's
Speaker 4: be real about it. They just hired a head coach,
Speaker 4: they just hired a general manager, so it's not like
Speaker 4: you've got these deep rooted connections to where these guys
Speaker 4: are with the Chargers and you know, you're texting up
Speaker 4: during the season and they're already getting their scout worked
Speaker 4: on things like that. And so I fully understand that
Speaker 4: what I've been hearing could change, but that is what
Speaker 4: I have been hearing over the last week or so,
Speaker 4: and there's some really good prospects at those two positions,
Speaker 4: and that's where I went, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's really exciting to hear all of that. At five,
Speaker 3: you went with Rome Odunsea. I believe the last time
Speaker 3: we spoke on this channel, I think, at least in
Speaker 3: terms of overall not necessarily a Chargers.
Speaker 2: Fit, you had Molik Neighbors over at Rome Odoonza.
Speaker 3: One has that change and then two I believe you
Speaker 3: know Argent, but we had Argent dig ups and numbers
Speaker 3: for us because we make him do everything for us.
Speaker 3: And one of the things, one of the things that
Speaker 3: he pulled up was that in terms of EPA per
Speaker 3: target for justin Herbert's career through different targets, the EPA
Speaker 3: for per target for the best wide receiver that Herbert
Speaker 3: has had is Mike Williams at zero point four two seven.
Speaker 3: The next closest is Keenan Allen. But that's all the
Speaker 3: way at zero point two seven zero. So did you
Speaker 3: sort of keep not that in mind? But like, was
Speaker 3: Mike Williams in mind when you was sort of a
Speaker 3: Rome Odunza here as a replacement for potentially Mike Williams,
Speaker 3: Or did something else kind of sway your opinion here?
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't really. I mean, that's a really good note.
Speaker 4: Urgent's truly one of the best, and so it's no
Speaker 4: surprise that he pulled a really great stat there. To
Speaker 4: give you guys some context. But the reason why I
Speaker 4: ended up going with Rome is, you know, I like
Speaker 4: my league Neighbors a lot. I have him as wide
Speaker 4: receiver two. I know some people who have him as
Speaker 4: wide receiver one, even over Marvin Harrison Junior. I think
Speaker 4: the combine is going to be very telling of where
Speaker 4: Neighbors is going to go in this conversation of this
Speaker 4: top three. If he tests the way that we believe
Speaker 4: he's going to when it comes to three cone drill,
Speaker 4: the explosiveness, the forty yard dash, all that kinds of stuff,
Speaker 4: he'll be right there in the conversation. But I ultimately
Speaker 4: went with o'doonsay because you know, Dounsay was doing the
Speaker 4: rounds at Super Bowl media and every person that I
Speaker 4: talked to who got the chance to interact with him
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, stellar dude, Like awesome. And
Speaker 4: I got that from people who have been around the
Speaker 4: Washington program as well. And that's not to say that
Speaker 4: Malak's not I'm not saying any of this. I'm not
Speaker 4: giving Roam any kind of praise to take anything away
Speaker 4: from Leak. But when you get that confirmation that everybody
Speaker 4: loves this guy, when they meet him, you think that
Speaker 4: that's going to also be the case when you go
Speaker 4: through interviews, which is very important for these players, especially
Speaker 4: when the talent is very very even. You look at o'doons,
Speaker 4: you look at the height, you look at the weight,
Speaker 4: the bigger profile, and I think that Harbaugh is going
Speaker 4: to lean a bigger, stronger player as he builds out
Speaker 4: this team. So with both of these guys being neck
Speaker 4: and neck in terms of what they can do production
Speaker 4: wise for your team, I may prioritize more of the
Speaker 4: movement separation skills that I think Neighbors has in an advantage,
Speaker 4: But I do believe that Harbaugh is going to gravitate
Speaker 4: towards that size advantage for Odunsay. So ultimately, that's why
Speaker 4: I went with Odunza here, And.
Speaker 1: I think for what it's worth, I think Odunsea is
Speaker 1: going to test better than people think he will, like
Speaker 1: people whatever, He's super athletic, and anytime that we talk
Speaker 1: about oduns it's like, well he's another big, slow guy.
Speaker 1: It's like he's not a slow guys. He's going to
Speaker 1: be a fast guy. Wrapping this up, though, you had
Speaker 1: the Chargers taking uh Ennis Rakestraw the cornerback from uh, Missouri,
Speaker 1: which is an awesome name for a cornerback all time
Speaker 1: name there. Uh what do you like about mister Rakestraw
Speaker 1: And how do you see that potential fit with Jesse
Speaker 1: Minter's defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you what. He'll come up and hit
Speaker 4: like he will come up and run defense. And it's
Speaker 4: a prerequisite for a Michigan defense man. I mean you
Speaker 4: gotta be able to do it. You look at Will Johnson,
Speaker 4: you look at Mike, You Sean and m Still. You
Speaker 4: look at those linebackers. I mean, you do not get
Speaker 4: on the field if you do not help and run defense.
Speaker 4: And Ennis Rakeshaw Junior is he feels like he's second
Speaker 4: behind only Cooper Degene in terms of run defending corners
Speaker 4: that are going to get drafted in the top fifties.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's the reason why I have him falling
Speaker 4: to the second round. I like a lot of things
Speaker 4: about him. I like his instincts and off coverage. I
Speaker 4: like his clicking close ability, turn and run. It's a
Speaker 4: little bit like kuol Ai McKinstry, like just he doesn't
Speaker 4: have that rare gear for recovery speed to really get
Speaker 4: up because I mean that's the thing with Queena Mitchell
Speaker 4: and Terry and Arnold, You're never gonna have to worry
Speaker 4: about that. With those guys, like when they're in trail technique,
Speaker 4: it's just a matter of when the quarterback releases the
Speaker 4: ball that they are going to kick it into that
Speaker 4: rare gear and try to cut it off or or
Speaker 4: get the incomplete the forcing completion with guys like McKinstry
Speaker 4: and more so with an extrake Shaw junior, if he
Speaker 4: gets beat a decent amount and he's in trail technique,
Speaker 4: sometimes those wide receivers can continue to maintain that separation.
Speaker 4: And you'll love that from a CB one outside corner.
Speaker 4: So that might be something where you know, when you
Speaker 4: anticipated a little bit better understanding the spacing, which he
Speaker 4: does really well, really well. I think he mitigates it
Speaker 4: very well. You know, he's he's at the appropriate distance
Speaker 4: off the line of scrimmage at the snap. You know,
Speaker 4: wide receivers get into him. He's getting hands on these guys,
Speaker 4: he's bumping them one way or the other. He's dictating
Speaker 4: things and then he'll bump you and turn and run
Speaker 4: so he can try to stay as close hip the
Speaker 4: hip as he possibly can and then, like I said,
Speaker 4: very willing run defender, knows how to get off blocks,
Speaker 4: knows how to make tackles at the line of scrimmature
Speaker 4: in the backfield. So that is something that I think
Speaker 4: that physicality is getting. You know, his chargers reem is
Speaker 4: gonna is gonna gravitate towards.
Speaker 2: Love that gonna have to watch him for sure.
Speaker 3: I've got a four day weekend coming up, so I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna ask the final question.
Speaker 2: Give me some homework. Who's the Day three running back?
Speaker 2: I should go watch?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Day three running back. Watch watch Dylan Lobby,
Speaker 4: the New Hampshire running back from the Senior Bowl. He
Speaker 4: is somebody who funny enough. I actually this just clicked
Speaker 4: in my head. Some people compare him to Austin Eckler
Speaker 4: because of what he can do in the receiving game
Speaker 4: as a third down back. He had one game this
Speaker 4: past season where he had three hundred and twenty three
Speaker 4: receiving yards and it wasn't like massive, like deep chunk play,
Speaker 4: like they just kept dumping it off to this dude.
Speaker 4: He kept making a couple people miss and it was
Speaker 4: just like ten yards, twelve yards, twelve yards, ten yards,
Speaker 4: and it was just all the way up to over
Speaker 4: three hundred yards receiving. I know he had a couple
Speaker 4: of big runs in there, but he is somebody that
Speaker 4: I would definitely tell you to watch and then I'll
Speaker 4: give you another one. Rashien Ali, he's the running back
Speaker 4: from Marshall. He you know, it's tough to stand out
Speaker 4: as a running back in All Star events because everything
Speaker 4: that you do is based on contact. He can't really
Speaker 4: bring people on the ground you're not really hitting. But Ali,
Speaker 4: known for his home run ability, showed some pretty good
Speaker 4: patience during the All Star week and so like he
Speaker 4: was somebody who's waiting for the blocks to set up
Speaker 4: and then boom, he's putting his foot in the ground.
Speaker 4: He had a couple of really nice runs at the
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl. So those are two Day three running backs.
Speaker 4: I would say to get some eyes on there we go,
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 1: Things that are definitely starting to ramp up for the
Speaker 1: draft season for Tyler and I I think I'm at
Speaker 1: like sixty guys on my big board now, So nice
Speaker 1: getting all up there. So really excited about that. Excited
Speaker 1: to listen to yours and Connor's coverage of the combine
Speaker 1: definitely encourage anybody listening to follow Trevor and Connor and
Speaker 1: make sure you're reading Trevor's content listening to it. This
Speaker 1: was fantastic yet again, Trevor, and we appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1: We will talk to you next month. Again. Man, we
Speaker 1: hope you have a great time in Indy and help
Speaker 1: you stay safe, stay healthy, all that good stuff.
Speaker 4: Yep, appreciate it, guys. I'll see you next month.
Speaker 1: All right, We'll talk to you soon, all right, Tyler.
Speaker 1: Any big takeaway from our conversation with Trevor.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, the idea that it could be wide receiver,
Speaker 3: a corner in play at five for the Chargers wide
Speaker 3: receiver not much of a surprise, right. I think most
Speaker 3: Chargers fans, at least half a Chargers fans have been
Speaker 3: mocking neighbors or a Duneesa there to the Chargers at five.
Speaker 2: But corner is very interesting. But I understand it.
Speaker 3: The Chargers need a corner, they need several corners at
Speaker 3: different points in the draft or free agencies, so I
Speaker 3: would totally understand it. And if it's not at five,
Speaker 3: it could be at seven, it could be at nine,
Speaker 3: it could be at eleven wherever. The Chargers could trade
Speaker 3: back to. So exciting stuff there. I gotta watch more
Speaker 3: of these corners, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cornerback class is really interesting. There's a It
Speaker 1: does really sound like Terry on Arnold has kind of
Speaker 1: cemented his status. I mentioned that in the interview. But Dangel, Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Lancerline, all these guys have Terry on Arnold
Speaker 1: as CV one. I think Trevor and PFF does as well.
Speaker 1: So Terry and Arnold has kind of, you know, taken
Speaker 1: that next step here amongst you know, the draft community.
Speaker 2: If you will.
Speaker 1: I think five would be a little rich for me,
Speaker 1: given like how I feel about the wide receivers and
Speaker 1: obviously rock powers. But you know, we talked about trade
Speaker 1: down scenarios, and I think if you can trade down
Speaker 1: a few spots and snag the best corner in the draft,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a that's a positive outcome for the charters.
Speaker 1: I think as well, if you can recoup some high
Speaker 1: end draft capital in return.
Speaker 3: Yeah, regardless, I do love the one two punch, and
Speaker 3: I'll talk he talked about in his mock. You know,
Speaker 3: the wide receiver in the first round, corner in the
Speaker 3: second round. I think that's really solid as the unfortunate
Speaker 3: you know, Jackson Powers, Johnson Dream has seemingly died. I
Speaker 3: do understand why the good corner in the second round.
Speaker 3: So yeah, looking forward to it. Maybe it'll be completely
Speaker 3: wrong by the time we revisit this in three months
Speaker 3: or so.
Speaker 2: But exciting stuff. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's funny in February, there's always like
Speaker 1: a lot of like, oh, like, I think that this
Speaker 1: team is going to do that, but like a third
Speaker 1: of the league just hired new head coaches, two thirds
Speaker 1: of the league have new coordinators. There were six GM
Speaker 1: hires in this cycle, including the Chargers obvious, So there's
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot more intel that comes out
Speaker 1: of the combine. That's really where you know, the radio row,
Speaker 1: it's it's about media connections and it's about you know,
Speaker 1: interviews and everything like that. The combine everything is focused
Speaker 1: on the draft, and so I think we'll get some
Speaker 1: more information there. Hopefully you guys follow Trevor in that regard.
Speaker 1: But last thing I guess for me before we wrap
Speaker 1: up today, Daniel Jeremiah did an interview feature on the
Speaker 1: Chargers website and he was asked about like what makes
Speaker 1: Joe Ortiz so such.
Speaker 2: A great hire.
Speaker 1: One of the things that Daniel Jeremiah mentioned was his
Speaker 1: ie for offensive line talent, and that specifically like maybe
Speaker 1: kind of raise an eyebrow, maybe not necessarily meaning like
Speaker 1: first round, but maybe Joe trusts his ability to evaluate
Speaker 1: these guys who are day like back in the day two,
Speaker 1: day three prospects, and maybe they can steal.
Speaker 2: Some value that way.
Speaker 1: And that kind of tends to fit more of like
Speaker 1: how the Ravens operated, Like obviously they drafted Tyler Linderbaum
Speaker 1: in the first round and Ronnie Stanley in the first round,
Speaker 1: but they it's not like they've been swinging for the
Speaker 1: offensive line fences in the first round. Traditionally, it's been
Speaker 1: a lot more of the other positions you take second round,
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round guys after that. So I have
Speaker 1: been thinking about that comment from DJ specifically about Joe,
Speaker 1: and then obviously, you know, having this conversation with Trevor about.
Speaker 2: Corner and wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Not that again, like we won't have any firm takeaways
Speaker 1: right now, but it is curious that like everybody is
Speaker 1: like offensive line for Harball, but then some of these
Speaker 1: other guys are like.
Speaker 2: Hey, like, maybe wait a little bit on the offensive linetop. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the thing.
Speaker 3: You associate Harball with great trench play, and that's true
Speaker 3: an offensive line play, and the Ravens have a really
Speaker 3: good offensive line. But you can also trust yourself to
Speaker 3: take guys later and develop those guys to make really
Speaker 3: really good offensive linemen, develop them throughout several years to
Speaker 3: become a starter or maybe even very quickly become a starter.
Speaker 2: And the Chargers.
Speaker 3: It really aligns with what the Chargers have been doing
Speaker 3: with Jordan McFadden, which Mario Sallier with Brendan himis like
Speaker 3: they've gone after some of these Day three offensive linemen
Speaker 3: and developed them. So yeah, ekadu, that approach taking place
Speaker 3: here too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, either way, it's gonna be a ton of fun. Man,
Speaker 1: I keep on saying this. But new regime, a guy
Speaker 1: like Joe Ortiz, as crave as he is, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a number of different possibilities. Whereas previously
Speaker 1: we probably kind of knew like where Tom Telesco would
Speaker 1: be heading, you know, like just because we had known
Speaker 1: his draft styles for eleven years, and everything is different
Speaker 1: this year. So it's gonna be a ton of fun there.
Speaker 1: Did you have any other thoughts about maybe a corner
Speaker 1: wide receiver talk or anything else from our conversation with Trevor.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, but I do think this corner of class
Speaker 3: is really fascinating with how things have really changed with
Speaker 3: McKinstry being the guy and then suddenly you know there's
Speaker 3: other other guys, and not only is it maybe not
Speaker 3: mckinenstrey at one, it's maybe not him at two.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's that third guy now.
Speaker 3: So it's a really fascinating discourse surrounding the corners, which
Speaker 3: could also present a lot of really good value for
Speaker 3: the Chargers. Whereas I feel like before it felt like
Speaker 3: you trade down, you're taking mckinstrey. Now it's you could
Speaker 3: trade down and maybe do it again and still find
Speaker 3: one of these really really good corner So I think
Speaker 3: that makes it really intriguing for the Chargers and your
Speaker 3: tiez and Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a great point because like we
Speaker 1: we come to the draft process late, and like I
Speaker 1: come to the draft process and everybody's like, this corner
Speaker 1: black class isn't very good. There isn't a Sauce Gardner type.
Speaker 1: It's not very deep and then I'm like, I like,
Speaker 1: like eight of these guys, Like, this is a good
Speaker 1: class to me. So it is a really interesting dynamic
Speaker 1: when you come to the come to the discourse late,
Speaker 1: as we do every single year. But this is a
Speaker 1: good corner class and I'm excited to dive into it.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see who tests well. You know, if
Speaker 1: kool Aid mckinstrey can answer those athletic questions, that obviously
Speaker 1: only strengthens the class overall. So I should be a
Speaker 1: ton of fun watching that group tests, in particular at
Speaker 1: the combine the next in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Fun stuff.
Speaker 3: Man, can't wait to see who who shines who as
Speaker 3: their Darnaul Washington kind of day, as we mentioned Jordan
Speaker 3: Dave as Anthony Richardson, just fun stuff.
Speaker 2: These guys are just they're very talented, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that there's a lot of negative feelings
Speaker 1: about the underwear of the mix or whatever.
Speaker 2: I love watching the combine.
Speaker 1: I love it, Like I remember he didn't necessarily test
Speaker 1: like amazing, but I remember like watching Chris o' lobby
Speaker 1: run routes and things like that, and that was like
Speaker 1: a positive workout for me because he was a guy
Speaker 1: I was, I felt like higher on than most you know,
Speaker 1: prospect fatigue was very real for him. But then he
Speaker 1: went to the combine, had a great combine. So it's
Speaker 1: a fun thing. I'm a draft nerd. I love watching
Speaker 1: the combine, seeing these guys kind of cement their status,
Speaker 1: seeing maybe somebody who's kind of like a seventh round
Speaker 1: pick right now shoot up draft boards. It's always a
Speaker 1: fun conversation and I'm looking forward to seeing how it
Speaker 1: pans out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and heck, even if you don't participate, your name
Speaker 3: could be Keenan Allen and things turn out okay for you.
Speaker 2: Yep, under percent, numb percent.
Speaker 1: All right, Tyler, Well that's gonna do it for us today.
Speaker 1: Like I said, appreciate Trevor for joining us this afternoon.
Speaker 1: Appreciate Eddie Levera and Greg Kim for producing the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks to the Chargers for having us. As always, hopefully
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Speaker 1: really helpe continue to grow the channel and support the show.
Speaker 1: Being said, we'll see you next week. As always, full
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Speaker 4: Hm