Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. Breakfast Club, yep's
Speaker 1: the most dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club, Charlamagne and God.
Speaker 2: Just hilarious.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell envy is at. But
Speaker 1: we got a special guest. Man. He's got a new
Speaker 1: show coming out on Netflix called The Vince Staples Show.
Speaker 1: Vince Staples is hell.
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I'm going good.
Speaker 1: How y'all doing healthy? Man?
Speaker 2: Hey man, I'm trying to stay that way, but I'm
Speaker 2: getting old.
Speaker 1: So, you know, with vegan or something.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, sound it like.
Speaker 1: You used to look bad or something.
Speaker 2: It was a little different. It was a little different,
Speaker 2: a little grinder.
Speaker 1: I guess, how are you though?
Speaker 2: I'm good, bro, I'm grateful, I'm blessed all the good ship.
Speaker 2: So I'm good.
Speaker 1: You know you're not. You're tired as hell. It's early
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 2: I'm tired, so I'll be up early though. So it's
Speaker 2: really not that crazy just to run around, you know,
Speaker 2: the press circuit type situation or so.
Speaker 1: What did the Vince Staple Show about? Man?
Speaker 2: I mean, pretty much, as you know, day to day
Speaker 2: life and our human experience. I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of the times, it's a lot of nuance in a
Speaker 2: lot of people's lives that we might kind of ignore.
Speaker 2: You know, we all had those days that we tell people,
Speaker 2: you know, you wouln't believe shit that happened even today.
Speaker 2: So just trying to find ways to utilize that and
Speaker 2: that format, so to say, and kind of attack deeper
Speaker 2: issues as far as you know, classicism, socialism, violence, our
Speaker 2: relationships with those things, our relationships with fame, money, things
Speaker 2: of that nature, and kind of taking a light of
Speaker 2: approach to kind of the stuff that we deal with
Speaker 2: day to day that people wouldn't believe because especially when
Speaker 2: you scape the black community, right, you can tell people
Speaker 2: the stuff that you see that you might deem is normal,
Speaker 2: and when you get these other rooms, they don't see
Speaker 2: it as normal necessarily. So just trying to find a
Speaker 2: way to shed light on it while keeping it lighthearted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after that question, because we were watching it and
Speaker 1: that's what just what is this show about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying, like what because you know, it's
Speaker 3: not like your typical show.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's, like like.
Speaker 3: You said, day to day, and which can one day
Speaker 3: it could be crazy and then the next day it
Speaker 3: can be just chill. Like the first episode with like
Speaker 3: stood out to me, I didn't expect for Homi to die,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'm kind of oh. The second
Speaker 3: one but like that was like I go from laughing
Speaker 3: something like damn, that's that's just how that gon be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's life, like you got to think about.
Speaker 2: So that episode was at leince we're talking about that, right.
Speaker 2: You know, we've all had different levels of financial gain,
Speaker 2: and when you have these levels of financial gain, you're
Speaker 2: getting these other rooms where you realize you don't really
Speaker 2: got what you think that you have. And a lot
Speaker 2: of the times us kind of having the door closed
Speaker 2: in our face. You know, black people are entertaining. It's
Speaker 2: people that come from a different world. We find solace
Speaker 2: in the things that we understand, no matter where they
Speaker 2: come from. So, you know, your friends robbing the bank,
Speaker 2: which is a negative situation, but you feel comfortable to
Speaker 2: be in that environment. That could be alcoholism, that can
Speaker 2: be drugs, that can be streach, that can be the violence,
Speaker 2: anything that we can kind of connect to when another
Speaker 2: door is closed. So that kind of represents the bigger
Speaker 2: statement of that. And also niggas just die sometimes, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, you might you might, you might be
Speaker 2: this close to opportunity, you might be this close to
Speaker 2: a situation which will be kind of receiving that loan
Speaker 2: and starting that business. And it's some traumatic happens, and
Speaker 2: a response to it is how our responses is when
Speaker 2: anybody get killed by the police. You know, you put
Speaker 2: your hands up and stand still. So it's a lot
Speaker 2: of deeper meaning and a lot of the things we
Speaker 2: just wanted to show nuanced with.
Speaker 1: It even before that though, because I won't give too
Speaker 1: much away, which I normally do when I want to. Yes,
Speaker 1: but but you when you had the opportunity to leave,
Speaker 1: you realize, even though you was innocent and didn't do nothing,
Speaker 1: stepping outside that door with the police might have led
Speaker 1: to you getting killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean exactly. And it's like a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that brings us trauma and a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that kind of forces uncomfortable conversations for us,
Speaker 2: other people honestly don't even know about. I didn't have
Speaker 2: my managers for a long time, and he would I
Speaker 2: would just tell him certain stuff like I remember, uh,
Speaker 2: we was on we had a call and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, man, like hold on, I gotta go. Like
Speaker 2: the baby shower got raided and he was like what
Speaker 2: And then coming back, he was like, what you muther?
Speaker 2: I was at the homisome baby shower and it got raided,
Speaker 2: Like dude, they kicked the door and he was like
Speaker 2: they not supposed to do shit like that, or like
Speaker 2: we got a meet and then oh man, you gotta
Speaker 2: build me out real quick. Like I didn't really look
Speaker 2: at it like it was that crazy until I got
Speaker 2: older and you realize your circumstances are within the bubble.
Speaker 2: So I really kind of wanted to think about the
Speaker 2: thought process of that bubble and how when you're in it,
Speaker 2: you don't notice what's going on until you leave. So
Speaker 2: you got to subtle nuance in every episode where it's
Speaker 2: situations that we deal with specifically in the black community,
Speaker 2: pacifically kind of an urban background. But when you escape that,
Speaker 2: that shit makes zero sense. Bro, And now that we
Speaker 2: kind of further moved and were able to put it
Speaker 2: on screen, it does feel awkward. It feels uncomfortable a
Speaker 2: little bit because we don't expect to see these things
Speaker 2: in these environments, and.
Speaker 1: It's a fair concept just because something is the norm
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's normal, not exactly. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of our stuff is our norm, but it ain't normal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I took a lot of approach trum mom,
Speaker 2: you know, Corn Brothers type films, David Lanch, things that
Speaker 2: the algh history, things that are meant to make you
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable, and trying to use it within the guys
Speaker 2: of comedy. But that was the main, I guess image
Speaker 2: with what I was trying to convey was contract that's
Speaker 2: within a composition, because as black people we have contrasts,
Speaker 2: you know, we have to be all these different things
Speaker 2: that once our relationship with money, family, fame, is fortune,
Speaker 2: all that shit is like, it's not really prevalent in
Speaker 2: other people's communities. So I wanted to make sure I
Speaker 2: got a chance to kind of show a little bit
Speaker 2: of that on camera.
Speaker 1: What I love about the second episode too, is you
Speaker 1: show how most brothers in the hood, even though they
Speaker 1: may choose a life of crime, they really are intelligent
Speaker 1: for sure, and they're just doing things to survive. And
Speaker 1: if it wasn't just for a couple of different circumstances
Speaker 1: or opportunities between you and them, you could have been
Speaker 1: them or they could have been.
Speaker 2: You exactly, and I think that's that's understated. Like, also,
Speaker 2: the relationship with fame within that episode is important because
Speaker 2: you have, you know, whatever level of success you have,
Speaker 2: especially work in the musity, you understand the fit on
Speaker 2: nature of the business and how it's not necessarily what
Speaker 2: it may seem. But to the world around you, you
Speaker 2: got everything. You got, every opportunity, you got the other
Speaker 2: thelimited amount of resource you have. Everything and that pride
Speaker 2: that they carry don't really translate into the rest of
Speaker 2: the world because you know, you can go in certain
Speaker 2: areas where Charlamagne and or might be, you know, the
Speaker 2: biggest thing that we got in our communities, but once
Speaker 2: you step out and you try to kind of trail
Speaker 2: blaze and pave away, they don't give a fuck who
Speaker 2: we are. And dealing with that is like it's more
Speaker 2: common in the people that covet us within.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look what you know, I'm a comedian, so the
Speaker 3: funniest But to me, what's Homie in jail singing?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That is so funny?
Speaker 3: I wanted to know, though, did you write that or
Speaker 3: did you let him?
Speaker 2: I wrote it, I wrote it, but it's hilarious. His
Speaker 2: timing is amazing, like his his his context to kind
Speaker 2: of know where the joke is is amazing. And as
Speaker 2: you know, on comedy, like with film, and I feel
Speaker 2: like within stand ups specifically, it's so much more freedom.
Speaker 2: It's so much more I guess execution is a lot
Speaker 2: more important because it ain't it ain't no cutting and
Speaker 2: you gotta yeah exactly. So within I think film and television,
Speaker 2: a lot of people might not know where the joke
Speaker 2: is at, and it's harder to tell the story or
Speaker 2: convey kind of the mostly trying to convey versus being
Speaker 2: in a stand up. So it was hard at certain
Speaker 2: moments to try to figure out how to edit this correctly,
Speaker 2: how to make sure that it didn't fall flat, but
Speaker 2: also how to make sure it didn't look like he
Speaker 2: was kind of cooling. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was. It was perfect.
Speaker 2: It was funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah the song, and I'm glad dude just wanted to
Speaker 1: square up because nowadays you got to have a little
Speaker 1: bit of that. It seemed like in every program it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna pitch boosy off, it ain't gonna pitch boosy off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, busy can watch this man with the whole family.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be good. All the kids can watch bulls.
Speaker 2: Watch this with the kids. Man, it's not it's not
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: If you was locked, U, would you really act like
Speaker 1: that with other inmates?
Speaker 2: Bro? So that that episode who we had I mean
Speaker 2: with we had a mean.
Speaker 1: We had a mean about that episode.
Speaker 2: No, we had a meeting and we had a meaning.
Speaker 2: I had a mishap traffic ticket. So I had a
Speaker 2: traffic ticket in jail. Yeah, and it was this dude.
Speaker 2: It was an important mean so I can't remember who was.
Speaker 2: It was somebody important and the dude next to me
Speaker 2: he just kept singing, bro like he wouldn't stop. You know,
Speaker 2: you're in the tank sound like all or whatever. I
Speaker 2: feel he could get a two MANU sholdever because I
Speaker 2: like the nigga ain't gonna beil me out. They take
Speaker 2: too long, so we's sleep. I'm like, Bro, I'm like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: you gotta get him. Not like that. But I was like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: like you get the top bunk Like he's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm not tripping, Bro, Like, ain't nothing like you know,
Speaker 2: he was cool something already cool. I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes niggas be trying to be tough and stuff. So
Speaker 2: I'm sleep bro. Bro just start humming and like Mike,
Speaker 2: he got no idea who I am. It ain't like
Speaker 2: because I ain't like super popping like that. So he
Speaker 2: just like he just this. He would have done it
Speaker 2: some matter who was in the cell, which make it worse.
Speaker 2: And then Bro just like his arm like fall under
Speaker 2: the thing. He just starts snapping like while he's singing.
Speaker 2: It's like two o'clock in the morning. He would not stop. Broke,
Speaker 2: and then Bro leaned out. I was so man. He
Speaker 2: just leaned over the bunk. He was like, that's all right.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, Bro, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: You remember what it was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you later.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, and I'm just like, Bro, like it's
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning. I had a show. I
Speaker 2: had a lot of looser, so I was like, I
Speaker 2: got all this stuff and my mom's trying to build
Speaker 2: like a lot of clues. I got to had a
Speaker 2: meeting that I missed. I'm a little crazy that I
Speaker 2: miss I don't even think it came to fruition because
Speaker 2: of that, But that's kind of when I was still
Speaker 2: doing a lot at the same time, and the people
Speaker 2: that you like, I don't know how he had explained
Speaker 2: them or whatever. I don't I know he didn't tell
Speaker 2: them what really happened, but he can't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: But just like, oh man, what happened? Like yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: like ship my bad, I missed a meeting, like I
Speaker 2: had had an engagement. Oh man, what happened? Telling the
Speaker 2: hommies I was supposed to be in the studio, I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, bro, I got I got locked up.
Speaker 2: And then this dude kept singing to me about the casino.
Speaker 2: He was like what I'm like, He's like, you're lying.
Speaker 2: That's what my engineer was like, you lying. He's like brother,
Speaker 2: He's like, brother, tell me what happened, Like I promise you.
Speaker 2: My sister was at working subway, I had to go
Speaker 2: pick up with my mam bad to go give my car.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not supposed to be still living like
Speaker 2: this at that moment, but it was a very important
Speaker 2: turning point in my life, and it's kind of a
Speaker 2: life lesson. So I try to kind of recreate some
Speaker 2: of these life lessons that were honestly like a little
Speaker 2: traumatic and be able to kind of poke fun at
Speaker 2: yourself based on the decisions you make sure to.
Speaker 3: Say, So, your mom is played by Vaness. About Callowie,
Speaker 3: how is it working with her?
Speaker 2: I love her? She's great.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: She's when you usually work with somebody of that magnitude,
Speaker 2: you don't expect any extras. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But she auditioned for the role because she wanted to,
Speaker 2: which was crazy, Like I've seen that. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah, So her audition for the role
Speaker 2: was like just unheard of for a show of my caliber,
Speaker 2: somebody with my reputation as far as never doing this before.
Speaker 2: So I was extremely grateful of that. I was grateful
Speaker 2: that she worked with us on every fastit as far
Speaker 2: as you know, hair and makeup, all those things is
Speaker 2: very very intricate, and she kind of led us in
Speaker 2: a way that she wanted to be able to do
Speaker 2: how she wanted to be able to do it. The
Speaker 2: research that she applied, sitting with me asking questions about,
Speaker 2: you know, my mother's disposition and her thought process and
Speaker 2: how I will want to play what's important to me.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is true. If this is true as far like
Speaker 2: to the character itself, and just over and over and
Speaker 2: over again, just giving me insight on how this thing worked.
Speaker 2: Use She's been doing it for extremely long time. So
Speaker 2: I was extremely grateful for her for the opportunity to
Speaker 2: have her in my show. And just even to this day,
Speaker 2: like she always hit me up, give me a vice, shars,
Speaker 2: make sure I know what's going on. I really really
Speaker 2: appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a mother figure for real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially like she don't got to do none
Speaker 2: of that. She can go to work and go home,
Speaker 2: and she made sure to kind of make sure I
Speaker 2: know what I was doing, especially being the first time
Speaker 2: I had never acted, never written, never produced, never done
Speaker 2: nothing before. So just having her kind of teach me
Speaker 2: how you should be treated and what you should demand.
Speaker 2: Like her and Kenya were extremely important and kind of
Speaker 2: giving the information. And Kenya is different because it's her
Speaker 2: it's his job. Excuse me, it's not her job do
Speaker 2: that at all. So I really really appreciate it. And
Speaker 2: just seeing how good she is, like of course you
Speaker 2: know she's good, but on set, like her her being
Speaker 2: able to like change I guess her direction and also
Speaker 2: kind of helping direct our camera department, helping her because
Speaker 2: we had a really really really small team, so kind
Speaker 2: of her feeling and the void when she didn't have to, Like,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: How close is she to your mom in real life?
Speaker 2: Ah, my mom, My mom a little bit more turned
Speaker 2: up on camera. Yeah, but mom she cool though, My
Speaker 2: mom cool? But my mom is my MoMA interested.
Speaker 1: Man, does your mom really like jail?
Speaker 2: No, but my mom has said that before. MoMA ain't
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with it. That's my mama said. My mama's
Speaker 2: one of the people right where you have your circumstances.
Speaker 2: Like we talk about our triggers, it's in our kind
Speaker 2: of our environment and how it changes us. So my
Speaker 2: mom is the type of person that, no matter what,
Speaker 2: everybody that came with us stay right until we get
Speaker 2: to the house. Right. So my mom has an understanding
Speaker 2: point of view on everything, but she also holds you
Speaker 2: accountable for the things that you do. We was kids,
Speaker 2: She's like, no, I ain't picking all up second time.
Speaker 2: Like you get one free one, you get a free one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you after that. It's on you. This happens,
Speaker 2: my mom, My mom done walk in the room before
Speaker 2: all my homies in living room and then somebody's telling
Speaker 2: jokbox start laughing. My mama just say he gonna tell dang,
Speaker 2: he told too. It was a little crazy that a liar.
Speaker 1: He was told.
Speaker 2: Man. But my mom, her experience is kind of mirror ours.
Speaker 2: And I think it's weird growing up with a mother
Speaker 2: who understands like kind of the nuance or the situation
Speaker 2: when you're younger, but as you get older, you go
Speaker 2: to appreciate it. And I think it's a lot of
Speaker 2: the times we have a point of view. I guess
Speaker 2: the women in these communities, especially when thinking about film
Speaker 2: and just art that takes place in southern California, Like
Speaker 2: it's always the mom crying over the dead body and no, baby,
Speaker 2: don't do it. That's not how any of my homies
Speaker 2: mothers are. Because you got to think about the black community.
Speaker 2: I was born in nine ninety three, so just kind
Speaker 2: of the state that California was in at that point
Speaker 2: in time to state that the streets was in the
Speaker 2: states for our community, drugs, alcoholism, I guess, homelessness, lack
Speaker 2: of jobs, lack of resources.
Speaker 1: They couldn't be soft exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think kind of having a mother figure
Speaker 2: in the show that held the characters responsible was extremely
Speaker 2: important because my mom she not giving you no passes,
Speaker 2: but she not gonna, you know, shy away from loving you.
Speaker 2: But you don't get those passes.
Speaker 1: What do you think, niggas hate more reading our accountability?
Speaker 2: Reading? Reading for sure? For sure think reading.
Speaker 1: You think that you think we hold ourselves accountable enough.
Speaker 2: Ourselves are each other, both.
Speaker 1: Yourself as an individual and each other as a community.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about as far as the
Speaker 2: things we prioritize, those can be better. But I think
Speaker 2: accountability is important. But we like to point finger and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that has to do with,
Speaker 2: you know, trauma, lack of opportunity, lack of people hearing
Speaker 2: you out, like see it's not me, it's here, it's
Speaker 2: not me as y'all. It's the thing we have. I
Speaker 2: feel like we just kind of got to get our
Speaker 2: our viewpoints right because we see a lot of the
Speaker 2: wrong things and I guess the right situation because we
Speaker 2: have a lot to look forward to, we got a
Speaker 2: lot to live up to, and we're not holding ourselves
Speaker 2: accountable based on our own metrics, our own communities, the
Speaker 2: things that we have. You know, we're looking at what
Speaker 2: everybody else got it, where everybody else is, and then
Speaker 2: we judging ourselves based on that. But I think the
Speaker 2: reading aspect of it is extremely important. But like, what
Speaker 2: is there to read? If you do in the hood
Speaker 2: who don't know much, or a ladyhood that don't know much,
Speaker 2: they're gonna tell you, oh, you gotta read are the
Speaker 2: war forty Laws of Power?
Speaker 1: Great read?
Speaker 2: I read that's some books. I'm into the fall our books.
Speaker 2: But it's like, all right, I get I get the
Speaker 2: mental warfare aspect of it, but who you fighting? So
Speaker 2: you're gonna read for their laws of power or the
Speaker 2: word to go using on anohing needs. I'm not into
Speaker 2: that and especially comes from that like like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I personally think like it's more like, say, if you
Speaker 2: watch films all day, right, if you read the method,
Speaker 2: if you pick up some scene books, if you read
Speaker 2: anything about how these things are created on writing by
Speaker 2: Stephen King, like, get into that because these are your passions,
Speaker 2: these are your pastimes. Get into something that is, you know,
Speaker 2: download the vocabulary app, get your worder today, you know
Speaker 2: things of that nature. But I feel like, are the
Speaker 2: spaces we look for information are limited based on who
Speaker 2: we are and the nuance we have as a people.
Speaker 2: And I feel like we have a lot of self
Speaker 2: esteem issues when it comes to like reading. I remember
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I used to hate read
Speaker 2: and I never got bad grades or nothing, but I
Speaker 2: stuttered real bad. I used to like kind of talk
Speaker 2: relatively slow. Was letting me talking too fast trying to
Speaker 2: not stutter? And also vision who got time for a
Speaker 2: sweet service? Who got Eige insurance? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So a lot of those things kind of hinder us
Speaker 2: from even wanting to read in the first place. So
Speaker 2: now as we get older and we're assessing information, now
Speaker 2: what do we know? Like what are we looking to look?
Speaker 2: So I feel like we will hold each other accountable.
Speaker 2: We can get our parodies right now, our understanding who
Speaker 2: we are right, and that comes from our field of
Speaker 2: reading aspect that you talked about it when you say reading,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking more broad and sits like garnering knowledge and
Speaker 2: trying to learn.
Speaker 1: That's why the nation is almost so important Because first
Speaker 1: book my dad gave me it was autobiograph and Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: Then that led me to read the Message to the
Speaker 1: Black Man. Then I read from Niggas to God's by
Speaker 1: a Kill. Those books right there instill all of that
Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about right now. It instills accountability, It
Speaker 1: gives you a sense of responsibility, and it just broadens
Speaker 1: your mind to something that can better you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like one and first the other,
Speaker 2: so we can just kind of access more information. That
Speaker 2: really helped because I, like I said, you know, when
Speaker 2: I came up, and I didn't grow up listening to
Speaker 2: music and going I'm gonna be real bro. Like I
Speaker 2: was ignorant to a point that I didn't even understand
Speaker 2: the concept of like a concert or like a show.
Speaker 2: I had never, once in my life ever knew when
Speaker 2: the concert was, where it was, how they worked. I
Speaker 2: didn't understand records deals. I'd never really been in know
Speaker 2: record stores like that. Like, I didn't really understand what
Speaker 2: music was at the research and to find it out.
Speaker 2: And that's a very humbling situation. I make it feel vulnerable.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to film, television, learn about that.
Speaker 2: When it comes to just life learning in general, it's
Speaker 2: really hard for us to kind of gain information without
Speaker 2: being without feeling like we're out of place, so we
Speaker 2: can kind of fix that and can fix a lot
Speaker 2: of our problems.
Speaker 1: We don't want to feel dumb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to feel dumb. But you gotta
Speaker 3: figure out what feeds you. Basically, like what he said,
Speaker 3: if you're doing film, you watch film and it whatever
Speaker 3: caters to you or makes you feel good. But if
Speaker 3: you don't even know where to start with that, I
Speaker 3: could see how that could be a challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now you think about, like from your manage point,
Speaker 2: stand up comedians, every stand up comedian, I speak to
Speaker 2: it as comedian general that does stand up. They talk
Speaker 2: about barbing or you know, figuring out a set and
Speaker 2: how hard it is at the beginning, and how you
Speaker 2: have to make mistakes. Within that community, it's embraced, Like
Speaker 2: you hear people talk about it. You hear people talk
Speaker 2: about their woes and help each other out. I feel
Speaker 2: like within these other communities, we kind of got to
Speaker 2: apply that same sort of grace to each other. Give
Speaker 2: people the opportunity to fall on the ass and learn
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: And it's okay if you do that. I mean, I
Speaker 3: never did that, but I know a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They know what I don't know. I mean no, never.
Speaker 3: In the most humble way, I'm gonna say that I
Speaker 3: never have. But it's not to be like, oh that
Speaker 3: makes me so much better than everybody else, because I haven't.
Speaker 3: It's just how I grew up a gripping Baltimore City.
Speaker 3: So I mean, this is not about me, real quick, Like,
Speaker 3: I just grew up in Baltimore City and with all
Speaker 3: male cousins around my brother's friends.
Speaker 2: I ain't really have a lot of homegirls.
Speaker 1: So then I grew up.
Speaker 3: Hearing them crack on me and crack on my brother
Speaker 3: and crack on friends. So I was real you know,
Speaker 3: just real quick with impriv anyway, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Say you have the information based on your experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's what fed me being funny and
Speaker 3: being social and being able to just just be tough,
Speaker 3: have tough skin, you know, so.
Speaker 1: And having a social media Pollum, so by the time
Speaker 1: you got on stage, people kind of already knew you anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this was before social media.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, growing up.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Just I just always been funny.
Speaker 3: I'd be funny at a funeral, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: just just because that's just what it is. So I
Speaker 3: definitely to your point. I understand that, like whatever feeds
Speaker 3: you or whatever. I wasn't big on reading it, but
Speaker 3: I'm still not. I hate when we bring people up
Speaker 3: back of the who that somebody wrote a book. Okay,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean and what it is. I
Speaker 3: gotta see it.
Speaker 2: Like I wrote, I've read this book.
Speaker 1: Yo, this is the hardest thing, harder thing.
Speaker 3: That's so we got vits.
Speaker 1: Can't you write the book? I gotta watch the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the show and listens and I read you used to
Speaker 1: send scripts and run show ideas by Quinna Brunt.
Speaker 2: I said, I said, uh, I sent one of the
Speaker 2: scripts and she was like, yeah, I'm gonna lie be nervous,
Speaker 2: you know, needs be sending the scripts. But she kind
Speaker 2: of because, like I said, I've never done it before,
Speaker 2: so you know, you kind of get to be around
Speaker 2: these people. I was lucky enough to be a part
Speaker 2: of her show, and it we kind of forged your relationship.
Speaker 2: We had done the show previously with those animations, so
Speaker 2: we didn't really communicate that much. But she been a
Speaker 2: really really big help. Her talent and her professionalism and
Speaker 2: just the way that she runs that operation. You know,
Speaker 2: for that big company, it's understated, like she does an
Speaker 2: amazing job. I don't know if I ran across somebody
Speaker 2: who does it as good as she does in the
Speaker 2: manner that she does it. So I was just really
Speaker 2: grateful that she was able to even look at it
Speaker 2: and also let you know that, like you know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, because especially not having information, not having access
Speaker 2: a certain thing. You know, these people that done went
Speaker 2: to college for this stuff, like I value their opinion,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was a good opportunity to be able
Speaker 2: to share with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why is it only five episodes?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, that's what they're doing right now. These these
Speaker 2: show orders, they're not really going past eight. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of things are like six eight pretty much just streaming,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, not being able to separate.
Speaker 2: The episode was on a weekly kind of basis. Is
Speaker 2: kind of change a lot of things. People digesting and
Speaker 2: change a lot of things. The budgets changed after the striking,
Speaker 2: but previous to that, the budgets got a little bit
Speaker 2: weird during COVID. So I feel like, you know, they
Speaker 2: always gonna throw stuff at us as far as just
Speaker 2: creative people. So working through it, but.
Speaker 3: That's still in a way that's still good though, because
Speaker 3: if it's it's too long, it's like all people exactly probably,
Speaker 3: but it's like now we want more.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also being the first time creative, like it's
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff on it, there was like, no,
Speaker 2: we can't do this, we can't do that, we can't
Speaker 2: do that. So just working through that system, you learn
Speaker 2: the system the first time, and I'm happy I was
Speaker 2: able to learn it. And I guess it's short setting
Speaker 2: because I didn't have to try to figure out how
Speaker 2: to do ten or twelve episodes while having a kind
Speaker 2: of not fight budget struggle through the pitfall exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And you gotta every episode, you gotta cut. You gotta
Speaker 2: cut stuff, especially shooting on location. You cutting pages, you
Speaker 2: cutting you cutting time, You miss some shots, some come
Speaker 2: up like to start raining, uh clouds, Like it's little
Speaker 2: stuff that you don't even think it's gonna affect your day,
Speaker 2: and they really do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you some questions. They random was They're
Speaker 1: gonna be random to the people who haven't seen the
Speaker 1: show yet, but they're not gonna be random to you.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 1: What did the music do to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Man, look at it everything, bro take his childhood ship.
Speaker 2: That case is music. Music can be tumultuous, bro like,
Speaker 2: and I think that a lot of the time were
Speaker 2: so busy focusing on the music and what it gives
Speaker 2: to us, we don't ever look at the like, look
Speaker 2: at the bro look at bro. Like when I was
Speaker 2: a kid and I seen Michael Jackson, I didn't know
Speaker 2: of the Michael Jackson. I'm only thirty, so my whole
Speaker 2: life I was like this nigga look crazy. My whole life.
Speaker 2: It's like I never looked at Michael Jackson, was like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: that's a cool fly nigga, Michael. And then you get
Speaker 2: older and then you see I remember my first time
Speaker 2: seeing it was like, uh, the movie that the made
Speaker 2: for TV movie they had with you after rating and
Speaker 2: shit and uh American Jackson, American fan.
Speaker 1: Oh the one Jason Weaver played. Wait, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: flex Washington, No, that was.
Speaker 2: Not that. Yeah, Jason, I was like this this ain't cool. Nigga,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like this what happened? Is this? That's what happened? Bro?
Speaker 2: Y'all like, y'all let this happen. Like everybody like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's Mike, Like, now, this nigga like terrible.
Speaker 1: You know the interesting thing about Mike, You know how
Speaker 1: they say the whole you know, Bill Cobby was trying
Speaker 1: to buy a NBC thing. Mike really owned half of
Speaker 1: the music industry is published. Yeah, no, black man supposed
Speaker 1: to have that kind of power in the music injury.
Speaker 1: But nobody ever said it was a conspiracy to bring
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson that.
Speaker 2: Look, man, That's all I'm saying. I'm saying the nigga
Speaker 2: looked like he was into some freaky shit. Man, we
Speaker 2: talked about that.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Mike was innocent.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm not saying he was.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that if he had anything going on, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised. All I'm saying is a nigga life
Speaker 2: looked a little rough.
Speaker 1: He got investigated by the FBI was seventeen years.
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about that
Speaker 2: wig bro. You talking about these kids. I'm saying, regardless,
Speaker 2: see how you see how you see how we trying
Speaker 2: kind of trying to sidetrack it with the accomplishment instead
Speaker 2: of being like they fuck this nigga life up. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, no matter what happened, look at that nigga.
Speaker 1: Well, then the music got the money in the fame.
Speaker 1: He was the most famous man on earth, probably the
Speaker 1: most famous person ever that walked the faith of the show.
Speaker 2: And look at the nigga. Damn, it's not true, trauma. No,
Speaker 2: it's not true. Man, that weave with that nose. They
Speaker 2: fucked Mike up. Man, they need to we need to say,
Speaker 2: we need a sorry Mike Day, like My Bad Michael.
Speaker 2: That shit fucked up.
Speaker 1: I liked him, My Bad MJ. We're gonna do that
Speaker 1: on his birthday.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You started doing this show on YouTube right about five
Speaker 1: years ago. Man.
Speaker 2: So originally, when I first started on music, I never
Speaker 2: been like the biggest artist. So when started new music,
Speaker 2: people will kind of gravitate toward certain things. We like music, videos,
Speaker 2: we like this, we like that. And I never been
Speaker 2: like ignorant of the world around you me. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I know what I'm good at, I
Speaker 2: know what I'm not good at. So I always thought, okay,
Speaker 2: what's the limits that we can push probably visual medium,
Speaker 2: same thing with interviews and stuff of that nature. So
Speaker 2: we had a bunch of meanings had to be like seven, eight,
Speaker 2: nine years ago and going everybody, we want to do
Speaker 2: a show, and it was nah, oh maybe later were
Speaker 2: working on this, you got some music for that. It
Speaker 2: wasn't panning out, so I just kind of did more
Speaker 2: work out of a bunch of voiceover stuff. I did
Speaker 2: some smaller roles on other films, Dope being one of
Speaker 2: the first, and then we did the YouTube thing for
Speaker 2: a couple episodes and that's kind of how we got
Speaker 2: their chops up and kind of learned how to do it.
Speaker 2: And then I think a year or two after that
Speaker 2: is when we got the opportunity to kind of go
Speaker 2: through Netflix. We'll go with Kenya. We had Kenya and
Speaker 2: a couple other people. Kenya, to me, it was the
Speaker 2: most honest and he was the most understanding that I
Speaker 2: was trying to make something and it wasn't I need
Speaker 2: you to make this for me type situation. And so
Speaker 2: we got the situation with him and Netflix and covid hit.
Speaker 2: So we had to sit that out and then when
Speaker 2: covid happened to back up, thankfully, now we're here.
Speaker 1: How did it go? How did it feel taken it
Speaker 1: from YouTube to TV?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What changed? About that format as opposed to the format
Speaker 1: you use for television.
Speaker 2: Everything bad that the YouTube stuff was all in prov
Speaker 2: It was just a set up and I just did
Speaker 2: I just improved and like had you know, good people
Speaker 2: that have been a lot of stuff. Frim Givvens, who
Speaker 2: also was in is in an episode of this, was
Speaker 2: also in that series. But it was just simple. We
Speaker 2: got one set up, we do one things. Of course,
Speaker 2: playing with the idea theatrics, so we have angers on
Speaker 2: every episode. But with the YouTube series, just like, okay,
Speaker 2: how do we create something that feels like Scott pil
Speaker 2: conversetore or how we recreate something that feels like you know,
Speaker 2: old kung fu movie type moment and kind of building
Speaker 2: around that one moment for a scene versus having an
Speaker 2: episode of scenes that also has act Greggs. It also
Speaker 2: has transition, also has some sort of narrative engine that
Speaker 2: can drive through an episode. So you gotta basically blow
Speaker 2: out the fucking four to five minute piece, make it
Speaker 2: a forty minute piece for that to be cut to
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. So it's just really learning the format was
Speaker 2: the hardest part for me. Crazy and also having a
Speaker 2: lot of hands in the pot like this ain't gonna work,
Speaker 2: this single work. You can't do this. Okay, Now you
Speaker 2: can do this because something just came out that makes
Speaker 2: this okay. Now you know what I mean. So just
Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of the politics and a lot
Speaker 2: of the red tape is the most difficult part, especially
Speaker 2: used to doing shit by yourself, because the music you
Speaker 2: can do whatever fuck you want, right and with that
Speaker 2: it's like, nah, there's certain certain things that have to
Speaker 2: be done.
Speaker 1: You keep saying you wasn't that known as a rapper.
Speaker 1: Why you're saying keep on saying that now you like
Speaker 1: you like top five rapper from Long Beach, which means
Speaker 1: something bruh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I get what you're saying. But what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is as far as like a day to day
Speaker 2: basis right, and like the way you can move through
Speaker 2: this business. If you don't got the bottom line to
Speaker 2: support any of these endeavors you're trying to do, it
Speaker 2: don't matter how creative it is. So I got I
Speaker 2: do well, I got multiply them songs, I got go songs.
Speaker 2: I got certain things that certain people never get. But
Speaker 2: it ain't Drake so the door No. But I'm saying,
Speaker 2: the doors that might open for Drake, the doors of
Speaker 2: open for the people, aren't necessarily open for me. So
Speaker 2: I gotta work half white. No, I get just me.
Speaker 2: But but but it's benefits of doing all them things.
Speaker 1: You pull out the meat, but he wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: pull out his meat, clown, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying it's certain things that just wasn't
Speaker 2: for me, so based on where I was at and
Speaker 2: what I wanted to create, Like, it's certain things, all right,
Speaker 2: So like come on, bring you know me? You don't
Speaker 2: know me, You're like all right, So everybody, No, I
Speaker 2: can lean way more into like to tell shit, I
Speaker 2: can lean way more into like the negative ship. I
Speaker 2: personally don't believe in that based on that that the
Speaker 2: ramifications that had on my life and the people around me,
Speaker 2: But that would make my music make more sense. So
Speaker 2: if I make this kind of music and I lean
Speaker 2: into these elements of music, and it's seeing a certain way,
Speaker 2: the videos look a certain way, the friend group look
Speaker 2: a certain way. To eventually go to look a certain way.
Speaker 2: Now it's okay, we understand it as an artist, and
Speaker 2: it's certain things I just didn't do or didn't relate
Speaker 2: to it just didn't work for me as an artist.
Speaker 2: So that kind of dictated where I'm at. No, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it to diminists that I've done the music,
Speaker 2: because I'm extremely grateful for it, But I'm just saying
Speaker 2: I'm realistic about what it is. If people are saying, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: we like your interviews, are you funny? We like your videos,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be like I'm I'm making no more
Speaker 2: videos because y'all not paying a signish of the thing
Speaker 2: I want you to pay attention to. You got to
Speaker 2: be aware of what people like from you and take
Speaker 2: it from there. That's really where my standpoint is. I
Speaker 2: don't got I got songs that I've been on the radio,
Speaker 2: and I've got one or two songs that have done
Speaker 2: very well on the radio. Pibly released sixty songs. But
Speaker 2: every time I might do an interview, every time I
Speaker 2: might come up here, people is in the comments having
Speaker 2: more engagement than they would even as far as how
Speaker 2: the album go. So taking that kind of I guess
Speaker 2: information and trying to see how you gonna suspect this
Speaker 2: shit out because all right, I'm thirty right now, Bro,
Speaker 2: who can do this when they sixty who can do
Speaker 2: this when they forty forty five? And I take care
Speaker 2: of my family and things of that nature life. I
Speaker 2: keep it pretty simple. I don't really got aspirations to
Speaker 2: be the most you know, I'm not looking for a
Speaker 2: billion dollars bro, That's just not how I am. So
Speaker 2: I enjoy the privilege of creativity and being able to
Speaker 2: do things that I never thought I would be able
Speaker 2: to do as a child. So I always took the
Speaker 2: way that people view my music and the way that
Speaker 2: people digest anything I did as a positive no matter
Speaker 2: what it is. If people say they don't like something
Speaker 2: I do, that's still positive because they're mostly invested in
Speaker 2: a finit And that just kind of led me down
Speaker 2: this path just being aware of who you are and
Speaker 2: how the world feel about you.
Speaker 1: Our hip hop artists is just limited to music now.
Speaker 1: So nowadays, when I see a hip hop artist, I'm
Speaker 1: not thinking this person is just going to be a
Speaker 1: rapple only because of everything that we've seen from the
Speaker 1: jay Z's and Donald Glovers, all these people that have
Speaker 1: done so many other different things. Yeah, I mean to
Speaker 1: put JD and Donald Glove in the same.
Speaker 2: I feel, and I agree because I felt that way
Speaker 2: my whole life. I've been lucky enough to grow when
Speaker 2: I grew up, But when I was a kid, Tonlok
Speaker 2: was on TV. Ice Cube was already ice Cube. As
Speaker 2: far as film television, Queen of Tifa, Missy Ellie had
Speaker 2: to Show, Eve had a show, Will Smith was Will Smith.
Speaker 2: So I think that it's been really really good groundwork
Speaker 2: laid just for black people in general, but specifically for
Speaker 2: hip hop artists in the past twenty to thirty years.
Speaker 2: I can just it makes it It's limitless. Honestly, the
Speaker 2: things that we get to especially if we trust each
Speaker 2: other and utilize each other these our infrastructure and kind
Speaker 2: of support each other, would be good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're doing that now in your own lead
Speaker 3: thirty Yeah, I feel right. Oh, but like you, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know from your past experiences what you said. You're like, Yo,
Speaker 3: what I say?
Speaker 1: You said, you're watching the show you're comedian? Tell him?
Speaker 1: What what? Yo? What did you say? What I said?
Speaker 1: He look like what I said? What who? He said?
Speaker 1: He looked like Tammy Campbell? Yeah, I got No, you
Speaker 1: don't look like exactly Cambell.
Speaker 3: No, I said, you look like the dad from sister sisters.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Ray yet Ray.
Speaker 3: But then a little boy too, like you look older,
Speaker 3: but you look younger.
Speaker 2: Little boy what was his name? Uh? I done got
Speaker 2: the dad. I ain't got I ain't got the I
Speaker 2: got the boy before. I right, man, shout out the right.
Speaker 3: I don't know who like young you look like, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, look young and older.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got man going on. I've seen this nigga,
Speaker 2: Professor Ogilvy in the in the airport yesday. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: still getting red.
Speaker 1: He had the whole.
Speaker 2: He had the whole. It could have been downtown of
Speaker 2: late ship. He got the whole evin Tion set up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He's in there by hisself for like a He had
Speaker 2: a scarf, phone and a sweater and it was like
Speaker 2: eighty five degrees. You know, he did his ship. Man.
Speaker 2: I've seen Mace. I've seen Mace on the airplane the
Speaker 2: other day with a scarf and a button up with
Speaker 2: like like two orders of roscos.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like nah man, nah, I just seen it.
Speaker 2: I just I just seen his nigga. Don't even know ma,
Speaker 2: he's no lame, but I just seen this nigga and
Speaker 2: he was like in front of the plane. He came
Speaker 2: on late and all that, this nigga Mace man keeping
Speaker 2: it black.
Speaker 1: So slow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fucked with Mace. He walked in. It's just
Speaker 2: good to see no entertainers, you know, still thriving, doing good.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He sat next to the white man. The white man
Speaker 2: try to say some funny ship to him, like that
Speaker 2: smells good. He was like, yeah it is, you bitch
Speaker 2: ass nigga, you know what I mean. I appreciated that, man.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I feel like it's been good.
Speaker 2: It's been good. Kind of steps taken to kind of
Speaker 2: make it possible for people like me.
Speaker 1: Is it challenging t to take your natural humor and
Speaker 1: wit and put it into a scripted, fictional format.
Speaker 2: Nah, bro, because I don't even be joke like that. Bro,
Speaker 2: Like I'll be I'll be chilling, you know, niggas.
Speaker 3: You know I can tell you he's so serious. I'm like,
Speaker 3: why you're gonna bring up what I said?
Speaker 1: Even the way walked in here? Like what's up? Bro?
Speaker 3: I'm like, Nah, don't tell them nothing.
Speaker 2: Not saying.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 2: I don't be tripping. Fuck Uh. The writing is the
Speaker 2: easy part, bro, Like that that's not I think that's
Speaker 2: probably the part I gravitated to the most. And I
Speaker 2: think a thing about making the show, especially when you
Speaker 2: have some sort of notoriety, is that the perception can
Speaker 2: be off right. People was thinking of it's Vince Stables show.
Speaker 2: So like when you're kind of doing the scripts, it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily the main character in any of these episodes.
Speaker 2: The environment is the main character, but it's the show
Speaker 2: because like it's my perspective when hobby of the world
Speaker 2: and how I feel black people interact with each other.
Speaker 2: It's not really ever about me in the show at all.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why the writing is really important
Speaker 2: because when you think about the Bank episode, right, the
Speaker 2: Bank episode to me is tackling a lot of things like,
Speaker 2: all right, you just seen today JP Morgan. I've seen
Speaker 2: a clip of the JP Morgan do apologizing for being
Speaker 2: institutional slavery, but that's part of the episode that we have,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's like being able
Speaker 2: to tackle those things are important because I be in
Speaker 2: place and I'd be like, y'all just gonna let these
Speaker 2: white folks like like do this ship in our face,
Speaker 2: like and we all love him so much and not
Speaker 2: just like she don't know white people, like I know,
Speaker 2: I got like I got like, I got like one
Speaker 2: white friend, like probably wanted a half type ship, so
Speaker 2: it's like one and a half. Yeah yeah, well he
Speaker 2: like shix far six eight you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I got it. I probably say three. I got another
Speaker 2: six foot white boy that he my engineer, so he cound,
Speaker 2: I guess, but shout out tired that what's up?
Speaker 1: Bro? But uh yeah, I one, would you now what
Speaker 1: you No?
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm not his friend, but no, I don't know
Speaker 2: she white. But my thinking I'm just talking about like
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about
Speaker 2: like day to day life stuff. But it's like we
Speaker 2: we bro. The writing of it is important because it's
Speaker 2: so much ship that I think kind of goes unsaid.
Speaker 2: So I like translating into writing it is easier because
Speaker 2: if I just start saying some of the should I
Speaker 2: be feeling, then I'm gonna look crazy.
Speaker 1: No, trust me, you got some of that in here,
Speaker 1: Like when the dude walks away from the family and
Speaker 1: he's like, why are we black?
Speaker 2: But all right, so that's a true story. I got
Speaker 2: an uncle name went for shot, I'll go in with
Speaker 2: that nigga call man, and he got drunk whe and
Speaker 2: he was asking that question. My mom was like, shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. But I felt bro because I'm like,
Speaker 2: what does that even mean? Like if we really like
Speaker 2: get in deep.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're black if you never asked that question,
Speaker 1: not saying that you don't want to be black when
Speaker 1: you think about all the things black people have had
Speaker 1: to deal with in this country?
Speaker 2: Why are we black?
Speaker 1: But why are we going through this? That's what I
Speaker 1: think he was trying to say, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because was my family is helography, so we had
Speaker 2: like a family type thing and it's like, you know
Speaker 2: sometimes black people like get fake CHURCHI yeah, so my family,
Speaker 2: everybody in my family had a fake like come to
Speaker 2: Jesus moment and it always get way worse when it
Speaker 2: was done. So this was the end of somebody like say,
Speaker 2: of your moment. So my uncle Wifford niggas argue, I
Speaker 2: just got a question. He'said, I just don't understand just
Speaker 2: why is we black? And everybody was like, nigga, shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up, like you drunk, But his feelings was
Speaker 2: really hurt because, like you niggas arguing in my house.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what's going on. It's like if you
Speaker 2: just say that, if I just walked up here and
Speaker 2: said that, I'm a little crazy on the internet. So
Speaker 2: being able to write it and give it context and
Speaker 2: show the things that happened kind of make it a
Speaker 2: little bit easier.
Speaker 1: But he was drunk.
Speaker 3: He was thinking he was your uncle probably been through
Speaker 3: so much and then seeing so much, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, man, why we gotta And I be feeling bad
Speaker 2: for people from that generation. That's my grandy sister has.
Speaker 2: My grandy sister just died. My grannyme and my grandsister
Speaker 2: just died. They was getting old or whatnot. So I'm
Speaker 2: we at the funeral and I'm like, what's up. I
Speaker 2: gonna going for you good. He's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: Vergie dead, so you know I'm gonna just be at
Speaker 2: the house, like come on down. It's like, damn, nigga,
Speaker 2: Like you don't think that sounds crazy? He's like, what
Speaker 2: you mean? I'm like, your whole life has just been
Speaker 2: sorrow Like niggas talking like a sharecroppery from Arkansas, nigga
Speaker 2: live in Colming. Like it's like he still see horses
Speaker 2: every day, he probably don't see no translation. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: the stuff that we deal with as people, it is
Speaker 2: real interesting, man, and you just gotta kind of tread
Speaker 2: on it lightly just to be I don't even trade
Speaker 2: lightly because when you we making stuff us, we understand it.
Speaker 2: But you want to be I guess sensitive to the
Speaker 2: stuff that we deal with every day, and I make
Speaker 2: it seem like you poking fun at ourselves because what
Speaker 2: we don't want to do is we don't want to
Speaker 2: kind of go to these people's platforms and poke fund
Speaker 2: at ourselves and kind of be slapstickish almost, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because with my thing like, oh man,
Speaker 2: it's just dry, this is that hour. But it worked
Speaker 2: for Wilfred, it worked for Lewis your work for Curve
Speaker 2: to work for all these other people. So I can
Speaker 2: do a show like this, Well, we can't start the
Speaker 2: show like this if the perspective ship is gonna be all.
Speaker 2: But if we utilize this lens and then we do
Speaker 2: a slow panel, then we can still showcase the environment
Speaker 2: while showing emotion of the characters and we start talking
Speaker 2: like that, then they gotta just let you do what
Speaker 2: you want to do, which while the information is important
Speaker 2: and riding is important, just making sure that you are
Speaker 2: able to articulate to someone who don't understand because they
Speaker 2: looking at it, it's math because with them, they got
Speaker 2: the world. So they don't got to worry about the
Speaker 2: stuff that they say or the stuff that they do
Speaker 2: because and I'm not saying this in a the meaning way,
Speaker 2: but just like all right, ostensibly just the same stuff
Speaker 2: that we kind of champion Jim carry for, we ship
Speaker 2: on Tyler Perry for. But it's based on the way
Speaker 2: that the circumstances in the community, and you know how
Speaker 2: people view these things, you call them if he was black,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like you gotta
Speaker 2: be mindful of the fact that people do feel that
Speaker 2: way when you create these things.
Speaker 1: And they have mass representation exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: why are we black ship man?
Speaker 2: Because we're lucky? You know what I'm saying. Look at it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I like it. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to be the mother thing, you know what, the
Speaker 2: mother thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Man says being black is dangerous
Speaker 1: but it's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where your seatbelt? Man? You be at I love
Speaker 2: it right, what's.
Speaker 1: More important to you properly representing Vince Staples in this
Speaker 1: show or properly representing Long Beach.
Speaker 2: I would say probably represent Long Beach to community in general,
Speaker 2: because like I'm I'm mean, you feel me like, don't.
Speaker 2: You don't really know how the world look at you
Speaker 2: in vide you, But I feel like when I was
Speaker 2: younger and I was making music and even just kind
Speaker 2: of getting into the space, and I used to not
Speaker 2: want my homies to come to like videos. I used
Speaker 2: to want my homies and not because I didn't want
Speaker 2: nobody treating them like they weren't adequate. Like I remember
Speaker 2: I shot a video. I shot a video on the
Speaker 2: hood and we was doing like it's a mural on
Speaker 2: the on the side of a store, on side of
Speaker 2: a market that's on sixty four, and my homies was
Speaker 2: driving by, and then like a couple people drive by
Speaker 2: the honey coming, Oh, I know you're shooting a video, niggas, ain't.
Speaker 2: I was rapping like that at the time. Then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it was like fifty people across the
Speaker 2: street just like hanging cause like my homies is cool,
Speaker 2: and I was just happy that they would treat it well.
Speaker 2: But I was so nervous just for somebody to just
Speaker 2: say something disrespectful or be demeaning, or just treat us
Speaker 2: like our experiences don't matter, because it's like we human,
Speaker 2: we all got interest, we all got we all got
Speaker 2: things that we love, we all got things that we
Speaker 2: want to say and share with the world. And a
Speaker 2: lot of the times, if you not someone that they
Speaker 2: deem is an acceptable version of a negro, you don't
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to be showcased. And I got homies
Speaker 2: that's like like like the bank robber, like the prison
Speaker 2: to like underwater welder, to you know, union craftsmen, pipeline
Speaker 2: is real. And I got homies who done sat down
Speaker 2: talking fifteen twenty years as building factories and they have
Speaker 2: pride in that and they feel like they're not greedy
Speaker 2: and they feel like they want to help other people.
Speaker 2: So putting that in appropriate context was important to me
Speaker 2: because I can have a homie that can sit down
Speaker 2: and talk to you about anything, but then by yeah,
Speaker 2: out of there fifteen is for murder? Are there fifteen
Speaker 2: for robbing the bank? Then everything that y'all just talked
Speaker 2: about go out of the go out the windows. You
Speaker 2: don't understand that we don't get the opportunity to change
Speaker 2: our lives. You don't get the opportunity to become better people.
Speaker 2: So I don't like seeing that stuff. And it's not
Speaker 2: that we put it in our art or we kind
Speaker 2: of promoted because I don't want it to come across
Speaker 2: like I'm saying that we do it to ourselves. I'm
Speaker 2: saying the way the world views us is not necessarily fair.
Speaker 2: So I kind of just wanted to showcase context that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about Long Beach Mixed Snoop, the most marketable
Speaker 1: family friendly rapper ever, he a whole crip doing Corona commercials.
Speaker 2: I would probably say diversity. It's an extremely diverse place.
Speaker 2: You know, the population a long which is actually surprising
Speaker 2: to me even when we started. One of my homies
Speaker 2: is actually the mayor now shoutout rerections and he doing
Speaker 2: a lot of good things for the city, trying to
Speaker 2: kind of uplift the north side that hasn't really got
Speaker 2: that much attention, but he kind of gave us some numbers.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, you think this. He's like, we
Speaker 2: was talking about the area and he's trying to develop.
Speaker 2: But I was like, yeah, like it's it's cool right there,
Speaker 2: but just make sure y'all know they don't displace nobody.
Speaker 2: He was like it's impossible. I was like, now, you
Speaker 2: sound like one of them. And he was like, with
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the people that live in on the
Speaker 2: North have two parent households, seventy percent make over double
Speaker 2: the double the whatever salary was like, its like one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars most people on their homes. Most people this,
Speaker 2: most people have that even though black people are only
Speaker 2: like twenty thirty thousand of damn near a couple hundred thousand,
Speaker 2: I means that we're doing pretty relatively well in the city.
Speaker 2: So I think growing up in a place like that,
Speaker 2: growing up in a place where you can see the
Speaker 2: highs and lows of everyone, where it's white people, black people,
Speaker 2: of Southeast Asian people, Hispanic people, it makes you kind
Speaker 2: of well around it because we all live on top
Speaker 2: of each other. Bro. And also with Snoop music, like
Speaker 2: from maybe from my vantage point, because I know how
Speaker 2: it is his music was it was burnt out a
Speaker 2: little bit, but the hits, the things that the world
Speaker 2: knows Snoop for, It's it's fun loving like Jenn and Juice,
Speaker 2: you know, Dre d It's not like just like I'm
Speaker 2: a right around And of course music wasn't like that
Speaker 2: at that time.
Speaker 1: It was great record.
Speaker 2: You don't think like listening to that core progression dred a. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's really not that getting raped. Oh what's mad?
Speaker 1: I mean if you go back and listen to the song,
Speaker 1: it was actually assaulting the men as vengeance.
Speaker 2: Yes, well I'm not talking about I'm talking I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about I'm talking about Jules Snoop Doggy Dog. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dre was gap teeth, Okay.
Speaker 1: The video people getting bent over, Yeah, that was a lot.
Speaker 2: That was a lot. But in his defense, that was
Speaker 2: Dre song and them niggas from content and them niggas
Speaker 2: is crazy over there my mom and from the Yeah,
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, but nothing but they were fun. The
Speaker 1: videos is dancing and.
Speaker 2: All that, and I think that's why people digested Snoop
Speaker 2: differently regardless of his back like Nigga, I don't have
Speaker 2: to burn with the hockey jersey and ship like it
Speaker 2: just it just looked and felt different.
Speaker 1: Have you ever really tried to get a loan from
Speaker 1: a bank, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mortgages and what have you?
Speaker 1: Did it end up like that?
Speaker 2: Nah, I got lucky. I got lucky, But I got
Speaker 2: a homie who has no criminal record, even New Jersey,
Speaker 2: no criminal record, no nothing, trying to open up alone,
Speaker 2: to open up a second locase of already successful business.
Speaker 2: And they're like, I don't know, you don't have this,
Speaker 2: you don't have that, you don't have that. But I
Speaker 2: have had meetings. This wasn't in the bank setting where
Speaker 2: they was like, yeah, we just not having a few,
Speaker 2: and they're like, you need this, you need that, you
Speaker 2: need that. I mean some of that was kind of
Speaker 2: the process of what this show was like, kind of
Speaker 2: taking those meanings and realizing the way that people view
Speaker 2: entertainers and I guess the fickle nature of this business
Speaker 2: and how you know it's unforgiven and they're not wrong,
Speaker 2: but it's a hard thing to swallow as far as
Speaker 2: being an artist and hearing that in the financial realm,
Speaker 2: the thing that you've probably dreamed of all your life
Speaker 2: doing ain't even really the thing. Yeah, and especially for them,
Speaker 2: so it's like that was a hard thing to kind
Speaker 2: of grasp. I just kind of wanted to show it
Speaker 2: in the show.
Speaker 1: Were gonna get out of here minue because you know,
Speaker 1: we just start to get quiet like this. That means
Speaker 1: you're ready to.
Speaker 2: Go first of all. But why you get off her
Speaker 2: head and why I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I don't know been up here in two weeks.
Speaker 1: I want to go.
Speaker 3: I want to leave right.
Speaker 2: I want to put into you need a vacation.
Speaker 1: I do thank you to leave them. How do you
Speaker 1: know when you're pushing boundaries for the sake of shock
Speaker 1: value versus pushing boundaries to provoke like honest thought and discussion.
Speaker 2: For me personal bro, Like I'm never really trying to
Speaker 2: do too much, but I'm kind of always doing too much.
Speaker 2: So I would get a call from him or King King.
Speaker 2: They'd be like, Nigga, like what's going on, bro, And
Speaker 2: I'll be like, no, I was trying to oj ship
Speaker 2: and ship away on that. I was trying to ship
Speaker 2: because I feel like it's it's just like a sad story,
Speaker 2: like when we think about how it ended up. Of
Speaker 2: course he he wiled out or whatever. Yeah, and like
Speaker 2: his mind is gone obviously, Like when you look at
Speaker 2: the nigga, talgets something wrong with.
Speaker 1: Him, but he be saying to normal on cam and
Speaker 1: make sure to me, but.
Speaker 2: Bro listen to the speed in which he speaks, the
Speaker 2: way his eyes look. People's always look dilated. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what I'm That's what I'm saying. I'm not here, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm like, but you think about his
Speaker 2: background and like really look into his background as far
Speaker 2: as like his father and his upbringing where he's from. Like,
Speaker 2: it's a sad story. But when you the man and
Speaker 2: you got that football, everything matters and you can do
Speaker 2: whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody pays attention to exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So they had to make some calls like you can't.
Speaker 2: I had some shit in there that was probably a
Speaker 2: little bit too far, but they was like, man, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't do this, you can't do that. So if
Speaker 2: I get some call call from Kenya or him are
Speaker 2: like eight o'clock in the morning, seven o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: they just had a meeting and I was doing too much.
Speaker 1: Those calls are pissed me off, though, because how do
Speaker 1: we know I can't do it? If the networks that
Speaker 1: I can't do no, let's not let us stop.
Speaker 2: Well, no, the thing is because if they wouldn't, if
Speaker 2: they didn't fill hm a little bit. They wouldn't call
Speaker 2: got you got you got? Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They call me the net because they probably got a
Speaker 2: call every day. That ain't my problem, but when they
Speaker 2: called it like, hey, this might be a little too
Speaker 2: much so and I think it's off perception that most
Speaker 2: for you, I say, ninety seven ninety eight percent of
Speaker 2: the time, but sometime I think it's the perception of
Speaker 2: things like it's never like a you trip and it's
Speaker 2: I get what you how to do. It's not gonna
Speaker 2: work that way, which is important to me because I
Speaker 2: want things to translate correctly.
Speaker 1: Random question from the show, would you really want a
Speaker 1: digital consciousness?
Speaker 2: Hell? Nah, I do that, bro. I don't even want
Speaker 2: no smartphone. Bro, I get it. I'm cold man. And
Speaker 2: they whooped us with the cars because now you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You got all the all the connectivity
Speaker 2: type situations. But I'm over it.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Every time somebody face timed me, I get hot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to look at you. Don't just throw
Speaker 2: your face like in my life irritate me. I'm I'm cool.
Speaker 1: So you really you don't really be on social media
Speaker 1: that much? You got a flip phone.
Speaker 2: I used to when I first got a dial. I
Speaker 2: look crazy in the meanings though, I look crazy and
Speaker 2: in me knowing nobody gonna give me no deal life
Speaker 2: to step it up, go to the Apple store. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was, I was. I was slumming it for a minute.
Speaker 1: They really thought he was older than you. Put it
Speaker 1: on the flip phone.
Speaker 2: And I had and I had no cut cut and
Speaker 2: like my shit little lopsided, So like I was there
Speaker 2: with the other mafro with the cut, like, what's up
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 3: A crooked afro with a flip phone and the mustache.
Speaker 2: He had a he had coming, like nigga start wearing
Speaker 2: basketball shirts and hitties and ship to these means. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I was at the house like it was grimy.
Speaker 1: Have you really never fell in love with hip hop?
Speaker 2: What I meant by that was like, what's that moment?
Speaker 2: Like if when do you fall in love with your mama?
Speaker 2: You feel me? When do you fall in love with
Speaker 2: your father? Like people be I wasn't trying to be
Speaker 2: fucked up, but when people not black, they got different experiences.
Speaker 2: Nigga weird? And when do you discover hip hop? If
Speaker 2: you were born in nineteen ninety three in the ghetto.
Speaker 2: When do you walk into a place and they're like, hey, nigga,
Speaker 2: this is hip hop that shit don't fucking like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck do we be talking about my nigga like that?
Speaker 2: That's to ask me when I fell in love with
Speaker 2: like char Cooterie or like some stupid white people shit
Speaker 2: like hip hop is a part of I'm black. It's
Speaker 2: just there as it's been there, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's crazy easy to think about. Bro.
Speaker 2: It's like a niggas when they met Jesus, like, nigga,
Speaker 2: what I'm black? Should we just do it?
Speaker 1: This is my last question, Jesse, do anything? Okay? Then
Speaker 1: my last question. Me and Glasses of Alone was having
Speaker 1: a conversation right and Glasses was saying, how if you're
Speaker 1: not from like like hip hop in order to be
Speaker 1: hip hop has to be from the hood and have
Speaker 1: a street aesthetic and be on I always say you
Speaker 1: wanted to be on some gangster shit. He says, No,
Speaker 1: that's not what he's saying to me. You hip hop.
Speaker 1: Kendrick is hip hop, Cole is hip hop. Y'all don't
Speaker 1: have to do no criminal shit to be considered hip hop?
Speaker 1: Do you think you have to do because you said
Speaker 1: that earlier, you talk about could show my my environment, right,
Speaker 1: I can create better music.
Speaker 2: Then Glasses be saying half of what he's trying to say,
Speaker 2: that's my dog, So I know he be bushing. And
Speaker 2: as you ask, do you I feel like the important
Speaker 2: sentence is for it to be accepted fully because the
Speaker 2: way that we viewed certain things, that's a very big
Speaker 2: part of hip hop. That's a very big part of
Speaker 2: black hole, which're a very big part of being a
Speaker 2: black male. To be honest, that's a big part of
Speaker 2: manhod in the general, especially for a black man. So
Speaker 2: if you're making hip hop and you're saying you come
Speaker 2: from all these things, but it feels different. It feels
Speaker 2: like it's not how they view us, because let's let's
Speaker 2: be real, bro, we thirteen forty percent is this fucking
Speaker 2: population We got to sell things to people that's not us.
Speaker 2: So for it to translate, oh, I know what that is.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, sports, god, jerseys, bro just
Speaker 2: is what it is like. So I feel like for
Speaker 2: it to fully translate and kind of rease certain heights
Speaker 2: based on how people perceive it most of the time.
Speaker 2: It does have to be that, but that don't make
Speaker 2: it right, damn.
Speaker 1: So you think you got to have the street elements
Speaker 1: and the hood elements.
Speaker 2: I think for their understanding and digestion of it. But
Speaker 2: what is the street element of it? And what is
Speaker 2: the hood element? It struggle, It's poverty, it's lack of resources,
Speaker 2: it's lack of family, it's lack of all these things.
Speaker 2: And that's just the Black experience based on how the
Speaker 2: world sees it. So it's not just violence. Violence is
Speaker 2: just the biggest part of it as far as how
Speaker 2: we speak about it, read like think about I know
Speaker 2: they exist, but it's way more mother records than it
Speaker 2: is father records. You get what I'm saying. It's just
Speaker 2: how our community looks and how kind of we view it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I feel like like
Speaker 2: I get older and I'm like I feel bad, like
Speaker 2: kind of for my father, Like the relationship that we
Speaker 2: have home. It's like, all right, you got incarceration issue,
Speaker 2: you got substance issues, Like it ain't like you. It's
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I ain't coming home, won't fuck with
Speaker 2: these kids. But based on the perception of how we
Speaker 2: were taught to view ourselves from the world around us.
Speaker 2: Everybody said, we ain't got no dady, instead of understanding
Speaker 2: the circumstances, you know what I mean. So I feel
Speaker 2: like it's kind of that with hip hop, is just
Speaker 2: understanding the circumstances a little bit better. But whenever they
Speaker 2: had these conversations about hip hop, especially in California, I
Speaker 2: feel like we overlook a lot of successful things just
Speaker 2: because they not viewed as gangster shit like we Ain't.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody talking about the far Side or souls of
Speaker 2: menishit for all these other hybrid successful things. Don't nobody
Speaker 2: even bring up mc hammer, you know, ain't nobody bringing
Speaker 2: up too Short like that? And they have street elements
Speaker 2: to music that was from the hood, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: viewed like at RBO posse Like it's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I feel like it just depends on what you
Speaker 2: look at.
Speaker 1: Why are we black Man? Vince Table Show is out
Speaker 1: now on Netflix. Thank you for coming, Vince.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you brother. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Wake that hands up in the morning. The Breakfast Club