Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into another episode of the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Dynasty Football Podcast. I am Ryan Warmley, joined by my
Speaker 1: good friends Pat Fitzmorris and Scott Bogman Fellas. Today we
Speaker 1: are talking about some Dynasty rookies. We will be going
Speaker 1: through every position, talking about some of the biggest names
Speaker 1: the guys at the tops of those rookie rankings. Will
Speaker 1: work our way down the lists a bit, see how
Speaker 1: many names we can hit here in the next hour.
Speaker 1: We are, of course coming off the Super Bowl is
Speaker 1: done and the Chiefs are dynasty three super Bowls in
Speaker 1: five years. So now that we're past the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: it is time to think about our Dynasty drafts. We're
Speaker 1: past the Senior Bowl as well. We are just a
Speaker 1: few days several days away from the Combine and of
Speaker 1: course a couple months away from the NFL Draft. Bogman,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you before we dive into these
Speaker 1: rookies at this point in the year, what is your
Speaker 1: process like for evaluating rookies. Are you still kind of
Speaker 1: weighing heavily obviously all the tape over their years in college.
Speaker 1: Are you thinking about some of the rumors that have
Speaker 1: been coming out now that they're eligible for the draft
Speaker 1: this year. Are you looking at reports from the senior
Speaker 1: ball thinking ahead to the combine, taking ahead to potential
Speaker 1: landing spots. What kind of goes into that formula for
Speaker 1: you at this time of year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of that obviously, just rewatching and making
Speaker 2: sure I have a good base listening to. I'm absorbing
Speaker 2: a lot of information right now. I'm watching a lot
Speaker 2: of podcasts, reading a lot of articles, doing all kinds
Speaker 2: of due diligence, you know, looking at the film again.
Speaker 2: There's a great somebody has put out just an amazing
Speaker 2: cutup of like every prospect out there. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to that Google page a bunch watching these. I'm double
Speaker 2: checking stats, I'm looking at team needs. There's a lot
Speaker 2: that goes into it. I think I have pretty much
Speaker 2: for the guys that I've watched. Fully, I feel like
Speaker 2: my opinion is not going to be changed too much,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit by measurements from the combine. Right
Speaker 2: pro days I do not care about at all, Like
Speaker 2: all those numbers are made up, you know, they're all
Speaker 2: you know, got the thumb on the scale a little
Speaker 2: bit for the times and all that stuff. It's that's
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. It's I don't take any
Speaker 2: information from there seriously. So for me, the combine is
Speaker 2: kind of the last thing RAS scores things like that
Speaker 2: for the guys at Test. We're getting more guys to
Speaker 2: sit out test now and a lot of teams are
Speaker 2: ditching some of those like the rams.
Speaker 3: We talked about that last week.
Speaker 2: The RAMS are ditching straight line speed and they're looking
Speaker 2: at like the GPS tracker or the all the speed
Speaker 2: trackers and everything from Zebra at the Senior Bowl. So
Speaker 2: you know that there are little things that will change
Speaker 2: here and there. But I think for the most part,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty locked in on the guys that I've
Speaker 2: fully broken down.
Speaker 3: I haven't got to everyone yet.
Speaker 2: I just did my Fantasy Baseball ranking three hundred guys there,
Speaker 2: so I'm hopping back on and getting everything set for,
Speaker 2: you know, for the draft and all that stuff right now,
Speaker 2: right before the Combine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Zach Wilson's unbelief little throw at
Speaker 1: his Pro Day should just like end Pro day's mattering
Speaker 1: for anybody. If he can do that and then be
Speaker 1: what he's been in the NFL, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: not a great sign for how much those should be valued.
Speaker 1: Fit's what about you? What's it going into your calculus
Speaker 1: this time of year?
Speaker 4: Oh boy, prospect cut ups, scouting reports, uh, mainlining draft podcasts,
Speaker 4: pretty much all that you know, on top of a
Speaker 4: lot of past college football watching it.
Speaker 5: And while I do not watch as much college football as.
Speaker 4: Mister Bogman here, you know, like I think, for the
Speaker 4: most part, I've seen at least a little bit of
Speaker 4: most of the top prospects. Like there are a few
Speaker 4: guys who've kind of fallen under the radar, and there
Speaker 4: are some guys like go to smaller schools like Malachai
Speaker 4: Corley Western Kentucky, although I did happen to see Western
Speaker 4: Kentucky play Ohio State this past fall and Malachai Corley in.
Speaker 5: A pretty good game game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I feel like I already have, I
Speaker 4: have at least a little bit of an idea of
Speaker 4: what all of these guys are about. But things are still,
Speaker 4: you know, coagulating in my head, I guess, and will
Speaker 4: be for the next month. And I'm I'm definitely anxious
Speaker 4: to get the data points of the combine like.
Speaker 2: That to fits point, Like I haven't watched I know,
Speaker 2: Kamani Vidal right now is raising up a lot of
Speaker 2: boards and you see his stats and everything. I think
Speaker 2: I've seen him once or twice. That's a guy I
Speaker 2: need to go back and do a deeper dive on,
Speaker 2: you know, the smaller school guys things like that. But
Speaker 2: for the most part, like like Fitz said, if you
Speaker 2: watch these guys, maybe watching some of the cups will
Speaker 2: change your opinion a little bit. But you know, we've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of what's available at.
Speaker 5: This right other than Bawl season. You're not going to
Speaker 5: get to watch Troy very.
Speaker 1: Often, right right, Yeah, all right, let's dive into this
Speaker 1: rookie class at twenty twenty four. Just a quick note,
Speaker 1: all of our early twenty twenty four consensus rankings and
Speaker 1: tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.
Speaker 1: From there, you can also navigate to our staff rookie
Speaker 1: rankings on the site as well. We will start with
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. The first three names I want to talk
Speaker 1: about are the three names that very well, maybe the
Speaker 1: first three names drafted in the NFL Draft in April,
Speaker 1: probably should be the first three names drafted in April,
Speaker 1: given the value of the position. That is Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: Drake May and Jaden Daniels. Now, Kayleb Williams may not
Speaker 1: be QB one on one hundred percent of big boards,
Speaker 1: but he is the clear consensus our Debro actually disagrees
Speaker 1: with that right now. You can check out the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft Show to see why he disagrees with that. But
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams is the consensus guy. So, Fitz, what is
Speaker 1: it about Kayleb Williams that makes him the obvious number
Speaker 1: one pick in rookie superflex drafts?
Speaker 4: I think arm talent and the ability to make plays
Speaker 4: off script, like that's the thing when the play breaks down,
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is really dangerous Allah Patrick Mahomes and you
Speaker 4: can see flashes of that and how that's going to
Speaker 4: translate really well to the NFL. But it's not like
Speaker 4: he can't win from the pocket either. I think he
Speaker 4: does a lot of that. So and the fact that
Speaker 4: he's now done it for a couple of years, and
Speaker 4: maybe some people saw that this past season as a letdown.
Speaker 4: They kind of asked him to walk on water this
Speaker 4: past season because USC's defense went to seed completely and
Speaker 4: he was having a win shootouts week after week. Couldn't
Speaker 4: always do it. But I don't think that should be
Speaker 4: a knock on him. I mean, I absolutely think he
Speaker 4: should be number one in this class.
Speaker 1: Bogman Fitz said, the name Patrick Mahomes, I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you that comparison has been thrown around. Obviously
Speaker 1: he looked very mahomes asque two years ago when he
Speaker 1: won that Heisman. Fits alluded to the tough season this year,
Speaker 1: tough being in air quotes there. What do you make
Speaker 1: of that comparison, box.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's accurate, and I no one is Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: So let's just put that out there. Nobody's If anybody
Speaker 2: else is Patrick Mahomes, we'd have the Chiefs, wouldn't have
Speaker 2: those three titles, right. So, but he is the closest
Speaker 2: coming into the NFL that we've seen since Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: And you know, if.
Speaker 2: He's not successful, it's it will be because you know,
Speaker 2: he goes offscript too much. He doesn't have a planned
Speaker 2: down feel, and I would assume, you know, the rumors
Speaker 2: of immaturity would crop up somewhere because you know, any
Speaker 2: issues that he has are fixable. But he has every
Speaker 2: arm angle he escapes routinely, he keeps his eyes downfield,
Speaker 2: He has an enormous arm, He has everything that you
Speaker 2: want from a starter. So yeah, he's number one on
Speaker 2: my board, and I don't see that changing.
Speaker 1: Assuming he lands in Chicago, and let's say they add
Speaker 1: another receiver, you know, to pair with DJ Moore. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's with the ninth pick, maybe it's nine. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it is a dude. Let's let's say it is.
Speaker 1: Just for the sake of argument. Where would Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: going into the Bears offense with DJ Moore and Roma Dunes?
Speaker 1: Where would he be ranked amongst dynasty quarterbacks overall, not
Speaker 1: just rookie Spagman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2: I high, probably five, five or six.
Speaker 3: I mean, he would be.
Speaker 1: Here's so many good young quarterbacks right now, though in
Speaker 1: the league already.
Speaker 3: There are, but he is that type of prospect. He
Speaker 3: really is.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that Drake May and Jane Daniels
Speaker 2: are that much further behind him, But he would have
Speaker 2: to be very high.
Speaker 1: Is May or QB two will dive in him deeper
Speaker 1: in a second, But you see your QB two bog
Speaker 1: then I know he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well he is in terms of where he's
Speaker 2: going to go in the draft for fantasy, I might
Speaker 2: put Jaden ahead of all, you know, everybody here, depending
Speaker 2: on his landing spot and where he goes, because if
Speaker 2: he ends up in Washington and Cliff Kingsbury, you know,
Speaker 2: all they're gonna do is pass. So that is who
Speaker 2: I would probably have as my number one fantasy quarterback
Speaker 2: for this season coming in if he does end up
Speaker 2: in Washington. But uh yeah, Drake May is my two.
Speaker 2: And I just like, I was kind of him and Holland,
Speaker 2: so I went back and rewatched it. Drake May is
Speaker 2: a stud. He can make every throw, he has running ability,
Speaker 2: he can escape, He keeps his eyes downfield, and I saw, like,
Speaker 2: I think I saw him throw five interceptions. I think
Speaker 2: four were not his fault. One was just a bad
Speaker 2: throw when he got hit on, two bounced off the
Speaker 2: receiver's hands. One maybe the other one was his fault.
Speaker 2: But I know three of them at least were not
Speaker 2: his fault. And I was like, good lord, this guy
Speaker 2: is good. So all three of those guys are up
Speaker 2: echelon talent and they're going to be very high in
Speaker 2: my overall quarterback rankings once they get drafted.
Speaker 1: Fitz, would you say Drake May is closer to Kayleb
Speaker 1: Williams at one or closer to Jade Daniels at three
Speaker 1: in your personal rankings.
Speaker 4: Closer to Jane Daniels at three, And like I have
Speaker 4: had to, there have been enough people singing the praises
Speaker 4: of Jade Daniels where I've had to reconsider my position
Speaker 4: on that. But I still have Drake May ahead of
Speaker 4: him for fantasy and just in terms of real life.
Speaker 4: I guess it's because it's easy for me to watch
Speaker 4: Drake May and see that translate in the NFL, and
Speaker 4: Bogs just mentioned everything about that. And yes, he did
Speaker 4: have a ton of drops. I think he had like
Speaker 4: twenty two dropped passes on him last fall or something
Speaker 4: like that. It was kind of obscene. Drake Mays averaged
Speaker 4: up the target I think was one of the deepest
Speaker 4: of this year's quarterback prospects, like eleven yards. And to
Speaker 4: Bog's point about May keeping his eyes downfield, that's what
Speaker 4: I love about him, Like he is looking to make
Speaker 4: plays downfield, and a lot of times when he escapes
Speaker 4: the pocket, he's not doing it just to like run
Speaker 4: right away. He's still looking for receivers to break open
Speaker 4: and make a play.
Speaker 5: Jane Daniels, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It just bothers me that I can't He puts up
Speaker 4: these freakish numbers in the SEC and the toughest conference
Speaker 4: in the nation, the forty to four touchdown interception ratio,
Speaker 4: the gaudy rushing totals, the great passing numbers, but I
Speaker 4: just don't, like, I don't know if I can picture
Speaker 4: it in the NFL, like how that's going to work,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's a little bit Lamar
Speaker 4: Like Lamar Jackson. I wasn't quite sure how that was
Speaker 4: going to work because you knew he was a great runner,
Speaker 4: But what's it going to look like through Lamar Jackson
Speaker 4: as a passer. I kind of get that same feeling
Speaker 4: about Jane Daniels. Even though his passing stats were fantastic,
Speaker 4: having two great receivers didn't hurt a.
Speaker 2: Bit one year wonder too. I mean, he was okay
Speaker 2: at ASU, but yeah, his only huge year was last year.
Speaker 1: Well what a year though.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: College fantasy as you can have really really remarkable fits.
Speaker 1: Before we move off this top three, how many of
Speaker 1: them will be in your top fifteen Dynasty quarterback rankings
Speaker 1: after the draft.
Speaker 5: It's a good question right now.
Speaker 4: I mean I have Caleb about where Bogman has him,
Speaker 4: like five or six, and I think I had May
Speaker 4: at like fifteen, and Daniels said like seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 1: So two twoss of yeah, just two, but right around
Speaker 1: that same range. So maybe if the landing spot suddenly
Speaker 1: looks a lot better than we expect, like Daniel's falls
Speaker 1: for some reason to Atlanta and he has all these
Speaker 1: weapons around him, something like that, maybe maybe bumps up
Speaker 1: a bit. Let's move to the next group of three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks here. These are not in an exact order. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of roughly where these guys are grouped, and
Speaker 1: there seems to be a clear gap between the top
Speaker 1: three and the next three next year. Michael Penix Junior,
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, Bow Nicks. If you guys want to hit
Speaker 1: on Penix or Nicks, we can. The guy that's most
Speaker 1: intriguing to me is McCarthy. He's a guy that, again
Speaker 1: to shout out deebro and Thor's new NFL Draft show,
Speaker 1: they are both very high on McCarthy. I know Thor
Speaker 1: would love to see him in Minnesota. I know Deebro
Speaker 1: has him ranked ridiculously high. He's the guy that there
Speaker 1: seems to be the most helium around, potentially being a
Speaker 1: first round pick in the NFL draft, maybe even a
Speaker 1: top ten pick coming off the Senior Bowl. Penix and
Speaker 1: Knicks maybe had somebody that seemed coming away without having
Speaker 1: their best performances there. So Fitz, I'll start with you
Speaker 1: with McCarthy specifically, obviously as a big ten guy. We
Speaker 1: watched a lot of him when he was at Michigan.
Speaker 1: He's a tough guy to evaluate. What do you make
Speaker 1: of him for fantasy purposes?
Speaker 4: He is tough to evaluate because we didn't see him
Speaker 4: throw a lot and you know, Michigan at a very
Speaker 4: healthy running game with Blake Korm and Donovan Edwards, so
Speaker 4: like you don't have to throw all that much, and
Speaker 4: plus Michigan was usually squashing their opponents, so run friendly
Speaker 4: game scripts to say the least. But like JJ, McCarthy
Speaker 4: does look like when the team gets off the bus,
Speaker 4: you can pick out the quarterback, like the big strapping guy,
Speaker 4: like he's mobile. He does have a really strong arm
Speaker 4: and make some you know, oh Man type throws like
Speaker 4: every game, so yeah, like I buy it. And there
Speaker 4: is a lot of steam about him moving up, and
Speaker 4: now I think it's pretty clear he's going to be
Speaker 4: the fourth quarterback taken in the draft, Bob.
Speaker 1: Mean, is that what it should be? Should McCarthy be
Speaker 1: the fourth quarterback taken?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean I like Penix a lot too.
Speaker 2: I would love to see Penix in Minnesota, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, Like, I just think that fit would
Speaker 2: work perfect with Kevin O'Connell. You get a guy that
Speaker 2: wants to sit back and throw the ball. They don't
Speaker 2: like to run the ball. That's exactly the type of
Speaker 2: offense they ran in Washington under Kaelin de boor for Pennick.
Speaker 2: So I would like to see him in a good
Speaker 2: landing spot. But that's not guaranteed. There's so many QB
Speaker 2: desperate teams you have no idea where these guys are
Speaker 2: gonna end up. I mean, you know, right now, it
Speaker 2: seems like everyone is putting McCarthy in Denver. But Sean
Speaker 2: Payton doesn't really like rookie quarterbacks, right, so he needs
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Russell is going to be gone. So I
Speaker 2: just and like Fitz said, and you said, too, Worm.
Speaker 2: It's harder to evaluate a guy when they're running the
Speaker 2: ball fifty times a game and only let him throw,
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen to twenty passes tops, And that's what
Speaker 2: the blueprint was for Jim Harbaugh Michigan. So what we've
Speaker 2: seen we like, but we've seen so much more of
Speaker 2: the other quarterbacks. They're just safer evaluations.
Speaker 1: If McCarthy's a top twenty pick in the NFL draft,
Speaker 1: will he be a first round pick in rookie superflex drafts?
Speaker 1: Because there's it is a really strong class for receivers.
Speaker 1: There's so many guys you make the argument for obviously
Speaker 1: the other three quarterbacks going ahead of him, obviously brock Bowers,
Speaker 1: maybe a running back sneaks in. There is there room
Speaker 1: for him in the first round of super f ex drafts.
Speaker 1: If he's taken highly enough in the NFL draft. Boggman,
Speaker 1: I think he has to be right.
Speaker 2: And I think the reason is is because what that
Speaker 2: says about this QB prospect, because Sam Darnold was still
Speaker 2: out there getting shots until last year, until this year,
Speaker 2: really last year he was getting shots. Right, So if
Speaker 2: you're picked in that top twenty, almost all Mitchell Trubisky
Speaker 2: got extra shots, right, Like, you can look miserable in
Speaker 2: one scenario and there are still gonna be teams that go, well,
Speaker 2: he's a first round pick. There's a lot of talent there.
Speaker 2: Let's bring him in and see if we can fix him.
Speaker 2: So you know, even if he flames out real fast
Speaker 2: wherever he ends up, he will most likely get another shot.
Speaker 2: And those guys just last longer, and the super flex
Speaker 2: they're worth more. So they're worth more than a third
Speaker 2: wide receiver or a second running back or whatever, so
Speaker 2: they have to be a first round picks in my
Speaker 2: opinion for the most part. I mean, this is front
Speaker 2: loaded with talent this draft, so it's tough to say yes,
Speaker 2: but still yes.
Speaker 1: Fits same question. I mean, let's say he goes to
Speaker 1: whatever you determine is the best landing spot. For me,
Speaker 1: it's probably Atlanta, top ten draft capital, just time the
Speaker 1: weapons there, or I'm really excited to see Zach Robinson's offense.
Speaker 1: So let's say he goes there or whatever your favorite
Speaker 1: landing spot is. Is he gonna get drafted in rookie
Speaker 1: drafts ahead of like Leak neighbors brock Bowers, or is
Speaker 1: he maybe more in that like back half of the
Speaker 1: first round, still behind the elite you know, Roma Dunes
Speaker 1: days of the world, but ahead of sort of the
Speaker 1: second tier at those positions.
Speaker 4: Behind those past catchers you mentioned, ahead of every single
Speaker 4: running back and probably right around where like Keon Coleman
Speaker 4: and Xavier Worthy are going like one oh eight or so.
Speaker 4: And you know, by the way, if our listeners here
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Speaker 4: can do Dynasty startup mock. You can do Dynasty rookie
Speaker 4: mock drafts. And I might have had something to do
Speaker 4: with the the intel on where guys are going at
Speaker 4: certain points in the rookie mocks. So yeah, give it
Speaker 4: a shot and see for yourself if you can get
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy at at one ten or one eleven.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: We got the word earlier today that that rookie simulator
Speaker 1: had gone live, and I have already done a few
Speaker 1: of those because it's super fun to play around with
Speaker 1: that tool, especially this time as soon as the Super
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Speaker 1: to wrap up the quarterbacks, Spencer Rattler, Michael Pratt, Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: Is there anything of note on any of these guys? Obviously,
Speaker 1: Rattler is a guy that in the past was considered
Speaker 1: a potential number one pick. Clearly has not panned out
Speaker 1: that way, you know, throughout the rest of his college career.
Speaker 1: But Bogman, any quick thoughts on any of those three.
Speaker 2: Uh, you're gonna make me praise Spencer Rattler here.
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm I wasn't the biggest Rattler fan, but he
Speaker 2: really improved this year. And the one thing I'll say
Speaker 2: for him, he can make every throw a little cowardly
Speaker 2: with the ball. I feel like he threw so many
Speaker 2: picks to start, kind of didn't want to do it
Speaker 2: this season. So there's just a couple of games I
Speaker 2: was watching. Maybe I bet him to throw a pick
Speaker 2: and he didn't throw one. But also they were down right,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, throw the ball deep.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't do.
Speaker 2: He's taken the safe throws, so I think that is fixable.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of this stuff with Spencer
Speaker 2: Rattler was attitude to start, Plus Caleb Williams was behind him,
Speaker 2: so he got pushed out of his starting job. He
Speaker 2: transferred to South Carolina, which you know, South Carolina's fine,
Speaker 2: but I think he lost maybe too much steam. And
Speaker 2: then he won MVP of the Senior Ball and he
Speaker 2: had a great week there too, so I think the
Speaker 2: helium is pretty high on him. I don't know that
Speaker 2: he'll push against like bon Nicks, but I think he'll
Speaker 2: be quickly after bon Nicks. And I do think bon
Speaker 2: Nicks is a end of the first round, second round
Speaker 2: type of a pick in the NFL draft. And remember,
Speaker 2: if a team is going to take a risk on
Speaker 2: a quarterback, you want to take him in the first
Speaker 2: round to get that extra year on the contract, the
Speaker 2: ability to extend one more year if you are going
Speaker 2: to take a quarterback. So maybe someone trades up to
Speaker 2: the back end to get a bon Knicks, and Rattler
Speaker 2: could be pushing that too. So many QB desperate teams
Speaker 2: in the NFL, I don't think they need to be
Speaker 2: up there In terms of talent. I think there are
Speaker 2: way better players than them on the board at that point.
Speaker 2: But it's most important position in the NFL. Teams value
Speaker 2: way too much, so I do think somebody weird is
Speaker 2: going to get pushed into the first I just think
Speaker 2: so that is what.
Speaker 1: Happened with Lamar the a team trading back into the
Speaker 1: back end of the first to get that fit your team.
Speaker 1: When the Ravens took him with thirty second pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen draft. Fits you got thirty seconds if
Speaker 1: you wanted any of these three guys, Rattler, Pratt, Milton
Speaker 1: any interest mid mid round lottery ticket in rookie drafts.
Speaker 4: I want to see more of Pratt because I didn't
Speaker 4: watch a lot of Tulane football last fall, so I'm
Speaker 4: anxious to see him throw the combine. And I really
Speaker 4: want to like Joe Milton because his arm is insane,
Speaker 4: Like this guy might have the strongest arm of any
Speaker 4: quarterback on the planet. And that's including you know, any
Speaker 4: of the Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes whoever.
Speaker 5: Like his arm is silly.
Speaker 4: There is a video of him uh throwing a ball
Speaker 4: the Mannings passing camp that I swear to God he
Speaker 4: put this ball into orbit and.
Speaker 2: Look like that Michael Vick commercial from a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago exactly.
Speaker 4: But as Thor said, he is nuklulouge from Boulder. The
Speaker 4: Tim Robbins character. You you don't know where the ball's going,
Speaker 4: like he throws the gas, but you don't know where
Speaker 4: it's going. So I might I might have to abandon
Speaker 4: my hope for Joe Milton. Plus he's over aged. He's yeah,
Speaker 4: you might need he's got some flags.
Speaker 1: What's what's the what's the phrase? He could throw a
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Speaker 1: least the deepest. Quarterback also loaded at the top as well.
Speaker 1: At this position, there's also a big three, and also
Speaker 1: at this position, there is a clear number one within
Speaker 1: that big three. Fits wax poetic about Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, his dad is a Hall of Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame caliber wide receiver who's probably going to be
Speaker 4: there someday. Marvin Harrison is bigger and faster and stronger
Speaker 4: than his dad, and seems every bit is skilled, good
Speaker 4: route runner, great at making catches outside the frame of
Speaker 4: his body, acrobatic, competitive, really tough after the catch, and
Speaker 4: didn't get great quarterbacking and still put up fantastic numbers
Speaker 4: this past season, like Ohio State's quarterback situation was not great,
Speaker 4: Like it was not a soft landing after what they've
Speaker 4: had in recent years.
Speaker 5: So I think he's number one.
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of people have, like Malik
Speaker 4: Neighbors nipping at his heels, and we've heard these rumors
Speaker 4: that Harrison is not a unanimous number one among NFL
Speaker 4: scouts and scouting departments. I kind of think it'd be
Speaker 4: crazy not to have him number one, because I, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what else you could want in a
Speaker 4: wide receiver. It's one of those things like when Jamar
Speaker 4: Chase was at LSU, Like you'd watch him play and
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, this guy can't miss. Injuries are the
Speaker 4: only thing that could stop this guy from becoming a star.
Speaker 4: I feel the exact same way about Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 4: and I'm not sure I feel the same way about
Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors, Like I think he's terrific, but I think
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison is absolutely fool proof, and I don't know
Speaker 4: if I feel the same about Neighbors.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the sort of ify quarterback play from Ale
Speaker 1: McCord at Ohio State this past season. In that sense,
Speaker 1: is there a landing spot Harrison could go to that
Speaker 1: would make you rethink where you might rank him as
Speaker 1: a rookie in fantasy? If he goes to, say the
Speaker 1: Patriots think he's just too good to pass up, they
Speaker 1: don't take a quarterback, so he's playing with who knows
Speaker 1: who in New England next year. Is a situation like
Speaker 1: that enough to maybe knock him down a peg or
Speaker 1: two fits or not?
Speaker 4: No, not for me, because it's Dynasty and they have
Speaker 4: a long runway, and whatever team he goes to, even
Speaker 4: if the quarterback situation is bleak for twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: there's time for his team to get the quarterback situation
Speaker 4: right no matter where he goes.
Speaker 1: Bogman looking at this group as a trio, is it
Speaker 1: a one A, one B even one C situation? Is
Speaker 1: it one A, one B and two? Is it one
Speaker 1: and then two A two B? What's the separation between
Speaker 1: these three names of Harrison, Malik Neighbors and romadines to.
Speaker 2: Me, it's one, A, one B and two and I'm
Speaker 2: not I still have Marvin as my number one, but
Speaker 2: I am so much closer than fitz is because Malik
Speaker 2: Neighbors is so good. And really, for me, what it
Speaker 2: is about Malik is his He just he's so fast
Speaker 2: everywhere in every facet of the game. He's fast in
Speaker 2: his breaks, He's fast with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2: He's fast at stopping, he's fast at starting again. I
Speaker 2: mean it is the crazy speed that he has in
Speaker 2: his footwork that you just don't see. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: Antonio Brownish, right. And he also he makes more guys
Speaker 2: miss than Marvin. The thing that Rome does better than
Speaker 2: both those guys is contested catches. So but you can
Speaker 2: also say he's got more opportunities for contested catches because
Speaker 2: he doesn't get the separation that Malik and Marvin do.
Speaker 1: So they're all very good. Marvin is amazing, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, and that's why I was shaking my head when
Speaker 2: you asked the question about you know, do you knock
Speaker 2: him for his landing spot. I think there's very few
Speaker 2: wide receivers that are QB proof. I mean, we watched
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins play with some bad qbs in Houston, right,
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, Yates and Shop and all
Speaker 2: of those guys. And he's still a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: you know, and playing in Tennessee with some bad quarterbacks
Speaker 2: even old. He looks good as well. So I think
Speaker 2: Malik is that guy. I think Marvin is that guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Rome is. You know, I think
Speaker 2: Rome is very, very good, and I know I think
Speaker 2: Lanzer lying comped him to Larry Fitzgerald. I'm not there yet,
Speaker 2: but I understand what he's saying. Rome looks amazing.
Speaker 1: He does he Dane Jeremiah have him ahead of neighbors too.
Speaker 1: I think I think he might. Yeah, there's a couple people.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, this is serious talent at the top
Speaker 1: of the wide receiver board. This is amazing talent. We
Speaker 1: don't have anyone at running back that is sniffing like
Speaker 1: the top seven wide receivers.
Speaker 2: It is crazy. So there's tons of talent up here,
Speaker 2: all major talent. If you want to split hair, if
Speaker 2: you want to say this guy's over that guy, I understand,
Speaker 2: they're all awesome, but for me, it is hard.
Speaker 3: Marvin Malik and then so.
Speaker 1: Let me follow up with a similar landing spot question.
Speaker 1: Let's say Dunesay goes to the Chargers, which everybody agrees
Speaker 1: would be an awesome spot for any of these pass catchers.
Speaker 1: And let's say Neighbors goes to like the Giants who
Speaker 1: are saddled with Daniel Jones Forela or something like that.
Speaker 1: Would you be interested in Dunda over Neighbors in your
Speaker 1: rookie drafts or it's kind of neighbors no matter what.
Speaker 1: He's just that good.
Speaker 2: I think his neighbors no matter what. For me, I
Speaker 2: just think the difference is too big there for me
Speaker 2: in terms of talent. But it's not gonna be you know,
Speaker 2: when you get down to the granular in the yards
Speaker 2: and the catches and the points, it's not it's gonna
Speaker 2: be like a point a game or two points a game.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be that big of a difference. Of course,
Speaker 2: so it's not the biggest degree tous thing. But for me,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's still gonna be.
Speaker 3: Malik. Maybe I'll change my mind when we get there,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I will.
Speaker 1: So. Fitz, you are obviously super high on Kayleb Williams,
Speaker 1: and now Marvin Harrison Junior. Is there any case to
Speaker 1: be made for Harrison ahead of Williams in superflex rookie drafts?
Speaker 4: I was just in a super flex mock and someone
Speaker 4: took Marvin Harrison one on one. I personally couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: I'd take Caleb one on one. And you know, put
Speaker 4: it this way where I'm I've got one on one
Speaker 4: in in our league, in our Fantasy pros.
Speaker 1: Deep ros one oh one that he foolishly traded to you.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. So yeah, and that that pick.
Speaker 4: As much as I love Marvin Harrison, that pick is
Speaker 4: not going to be Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh well, what about what about the rest of
Speaker 1: these guys? So let's let's say, because again there's no
Speaker 1: running back that we're considering, let's set brock Bowers aside
Speaker 1: for a second. The top three quarterbacks and the top
Speaker 1: three wide receivers in a super flex rook super flex
Speaker 1: rookie draft, how are you breaking them down? We're pretty
Speaker 1: sure that's Caleb one and Marvin Harrison two. Is neighbors
Speaker 1: going ahead of those quarterbacks like May and Daniels. Our
Speaker 1: quarterbacks just too valuable where those guys are going to
Speaker 1: be the third and fourth pick is going to alternate
Speaker 1: maybe like May then Neighbors and Daniels. How is that
Speaker 1: breaking down for you, bagman?
Speaker 3: I think that it's going to be.
Speaker 2: Caleb and Marvin one two for the most part, and
Speaker 2: then I think it's the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 2: I think I'll have the quarterbacks there, just because once again,
Speaker 2: the context of a super flex league.
Speaker 3: You know, it's math.
Speaker 2: There's thirty two starting jobs, right, and there's really twenty
Speaker 2: eight starting jobs, like every year four spots are in
Speaker 2: a question or in flux or whatever, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, So it's really less than thirty two. If
Speaker 2: you're in a twelve man league, not everybody can have three,
Speaker 2: So somebody's gonna be sitting on four, somebody's gonna be
Speaker 2: sitting on one, and the the the value of those
Speaker 2: quarterbacks is just so much higher because they're so limited
Speaker 2: and everybody has to start too. So I think in
Speaker 2: that case, I'm most likely going to go one, two,
Speaker 2: three the quarterbacks. But I understand putting Marvin in there,
Speaker 2: even Malik and Rome, Like the talent is high, high,
Speaker 2: high for all six of those guys.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that fits kind of that
Speaker 1: Caleb one, let's say Marvin two. What if three, four,
Speaker 1: five six looks like look like for you between the
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks and two receivers again setting aside Bowers.
Speaker 4: For the moment, Drake May is going to be three
Speaker 4: for sure, and then I still have to make up
Speaker 4: my mind on Daniels where I would whether I would
Speaker 4: slot him ahead of Neighbors and Odoonsay or behind or
Speaker 4: maybe even you know, driving away.
Speaker 1: This is not helpful to me because in that league
Speaker 1: you just referenced I have the one oh four, So
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would make it clear and if
Speaker 1: I should go Neighbors or whichever quarterback is there, and
Speaker 1: you're not making it clear.
Speaker 3: Take the QB worm, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I think that's weird. Obviously, we'll see how everything falls
Speaker 1: just quickly before we get off these three, just because
Speaker 1: they're so talented and are going to make I think
Speaker 1: a really early impact in the league. How many wide
Speaker 1: receivers are going to rank ahead of Harrison in Dynasty
Speaker 1: the moment he gets drafted. There's Justin Jefferson, there's Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: there's CD Lamb. Is that it are all three of
Speaker 1: those even going to be ranked ahead of him. Is
Speaker 1: he that good that he's going to be ahead of
Speaker 1: any of those guys?
Speaker 5: Fits?
Speaker 1: How many wider receivers are head of Harrison for you?
Speaker 5: You just named the three.
Speaker 4: I've got him for one spot ahead of Amanron Saint Pron.
Speaker 1: Bogman, same three.
Speaker 2: I might put him behind him. A mana is so good,
Speaker 2: He's in that mix for sure. So he's either going
Speaker 2: to be three or four.
Speaker 1: Let's look at the next group of receivers. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a bigger group because it's not totally clear kind
Speaker 1: of who is going to go highest in the NFL draft,
Speaker 1: who should be highest in your rookie drafts. Some of
Speaker 1: the names though, Keon Coleman, Brian Thomas also at LSU,
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin, I like him a lot, Xavier Worthy, I know,
Speaker 1: Bogman likes him, Lad mcconkeye, id and I Mitchell also
Speaker 1: a guy Bogmin will like. You'll notice the pattern there.
Speaker 1: So of that group of six Coleman, Thomas, Franklin, Worthy, McConkie,
Speaker 1: and Mitchell Bogman, who stands out to you as the
Speaker 1: guy that might end up being the best value in
Speaker 1: rookie drafts?
Speaker 2: Best value probably Worthy. I think Worthy is going to
Speaker 2: slip a little bit.
Speaker 3: Maybe not.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm underrating him. I don't know, because I'm insane.
Speaker 2: I look at him and I see Tyreek Kill, Like, right,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Uh, there are way better comps for him.
Speaker 2: But he is a guy that I think his ceiling
Speaker 2: is so enormous because he's so fast. I think everything
Speaker 2: you wanted out of Marquise Brown you're gonna get from
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy. So you know, he is slender though he's
Speaker 2: a slight guy. He's small, and you know you get
Speaker 2: you take hits from monsters like Derwin James running over
Speaker 2: the middle. There could be some injury issues with him,
Speaker 2: he is skinny, But in terms of value, I think
Speaker 2: out of all those guys, he's a guy that I
Speaker 2: think he could be as high as a middle of
Speaker 2: the first guy, or he could be a middle of
Speaker 2: day two guy. So I'm just not sure where he's
Speaker 2: gonna land and what evaluators think of him. But I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be high on Worthy for sure.
Speaker 1: Who's your straight up favorite of that group?
Speaker 3: Not just best value Coleman it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I you know I watched a lot
Speaker 2: of Brian Thomas and I watched a lot of Troy Franklin,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to have a different opinion.
Speaker 3: Uh, but ke On Coleman is just so good. He
Speaker 3: is so good.
Speaker 2: He can high point I feel like any ball. It's
Speaker 2: just crazy the catch radius this guy has. He's enormous
Speaker 2: and he's fat, like he is so big, and I'm
Speaker 2: watching I'm watching some film with him the other day.
Speaker 2: He's returning kicks him punts for touchdowns like he's enormous.
Speaker 3: He's six ' four. So yeah, it's uh, it's Coleman
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know worry. I mean, you mentioned Rome with Dunes,
Speaker 1: they good at contested catches, because he has to make
Speaker 1: a lot of them. No worry about the same thing
Speaker 1: for Coleman.
Speaker 3: There's obviously worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do have to worry about that because there
Speaker 2: are some guys that come in and they come in
Speaker 2: into the league and that's the thing, right, and that's
Speaker 2: the knock on him. And that is why I was
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, I keep seeing these mocks
Speaker 2: and Coleman's not going in the first it's Brian Thomas
Speaker 2: over him, it's Troy Franklin over him, And I think
Speaker 2: for fits, you know, for fits to the team.
Speaker 3: Sometimes those work better.
Speaker 2: I think one of those guys in Buffalo over Keon Coleman,
Speaker 2: I think works better, right, But I think just in
Speaker 2: terms of talent, Keo Coleman's too good to be ignored.
Speaker 1: So Pat Bogman just took the words right out of
Speaker 1: my mouth. Any one of these names you could see
Speaker 1: going to an awesome landing spot at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round. Maybe they don't get there. I'm sure
Speaker 1: a few of them will be pushed to the second round,
Speaker 1: but you could make a case for the Bills, the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the Ravens, any one of these elite quarterbacks could be
Speaker 1: adding one of these guys at the back end of
Speaker 1: the first round this year. That's really enticing. Do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite of the group.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's also Coleman for me too.
Speaker 4: And like, I go and check on next Gen stats
Speaker 4: and where Mike Evans ranked in twenty twenty three in
Speaker 4: yards of separation and cushion rates and probably not top
Speaker 4: twenty five. I don't offhand where he ranks there, but like,
Speaker 4: I'm sure he didn't rank high in separation. Who cares,
Speaker 4: that's not Mike Evans game. That's the same thing with
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman. And you can see the Mike Evan in
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman's game and how he just like physically dominates
Speaker 4: the guys he's going up against. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: like Mike Evans, Kean Coleman has a basketball background, played
Speaker 4: for Tom Izzo at Michigan State before eventually winding up
Speaker 4: at Florida State.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like, I love the guy.
Speaker 4: It's it's easy for me to see how he's going
Speaker 4: to translate to the NFL, and if people want to
Speaker 4: get hung up on separation, it's kind of silly. But
Speaker 4: you know, I know some of the draft people I
Speaker 4: really respect, like Dane Brugler's got him like twenty eighth
Speaker 4: overall or something like that, which sounds about right to me.
Speaker 5: I mean, I love him.
Speaker 4: I'd love to see him wind up with Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 4: but knowing how much that organization cherishes speed, I think
Speaker 4: Xavier Worthy might be a more of a fun match
Speaker 4: for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: I And I think, you know, worrying about not being
Speaker 2: able to do one thing can be silly. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: the thing that sinks the guy, right, But like people
Speaker 2: worried that DK metcalf was too stiff because he didn't
Speaker 2: do it good three cone drill. Right, nobody cares about
Speaker 2: how he's doing a three cone drill. He runs two
Speaker 2: routes and he beats everybody. So you know that's we
Speaker 2: can get hung up on the contested because it's not
Speaker 2: a joke. You know, the NFL corners are much much
Speaker 2: better than college corners, especially in the ACC, right, so
Speaker 2: that is no joke. But you know he makes so
Speaker 2: many contested catches because he boxes out. He has that
Speaker 2: basketball frame like fits mentioned, So I don't think that
Speaker 2: you have to worry about that too much for a
Speaker 2: guy of his size.
Speaker 4: And by the way, brut I was just gonna say,
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas, I think is everyone's consensus number four or
Speaker 4: like the broad consensus number four here, And I think
Speaker 4: he's terrific. Like I've been very impressed watching him, But
Speaker 4: there's been so much talent in that passing game, it's
Speaker 4: hard to know how much of it is Jade Daniels,
Speaker 4: how much of it is benefiting from playing with Malik Neighbors.
Speaker 4: Like that's the little hang up for me. No doubt
Speaker 4: he's really talented, but like can he be his own man?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Flight Johnny Wilson over here.
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Speaker 1: group of receivers. Wrap up on the receiver section that
Speaker 1: is Jalen Polk, Roman Wilson, tes Walker, Malachi Corley, Jalen McMillan,
Speaker 1: Xavier Leggett, and Johnny Wilson. Any of those names stand
Speaker 1: out to you, I mean all of them do.
Speaker 2: It's so funny when you look at this class versus
Speaker 2: last year, because we would be this is the third tier.
Speaker 2: We would be talking about these guys in the second
Speaker 2: round last year and probably this year too. Roman Wilson
Speaker 2: obviously made a huge chump for himself during the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 2: so much so that he left practice on Thursday or
Speaker 2: Friday or whatever it was. So you know another guy
Speaker 2: that like McCarthy, they didn't throw the ball that much
Speaker 2: at Michigan, right, So there's less of what you'd want
Speaker 2: to see, But what you see is amazing from Roman Polk.
Speaker 2: I just watched and I think I might have watched
Speaker 2: his best game. It was against cal He was unstoppable.
Speaker 2: He's he just gets open, very very good against own
Speaker 2: and Malkai Corley. This is one of fits his guys
Speaker 2: and this is you know, Deebo light, that's what everybody
Speaker 2: calls him. Represents, you know, the same skill set as Deebo.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has the same talent level,
Speaker 2: but he is very good too and played at a
Speaker 2: small school, so a lot of guys don't know who
Speaker 2: he is yet. But Malachi corleyt at Wku is a
Speaker 2: huge name as well, So there's a lot of talent
Speaker 2: down here.
Speaker 1: We've got a TikTok up on the Fantasy Pros page
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Speaker 1: year's class. So everybody be sure to follow us there
Speaker 1: because we're going to have player profiles and underrated prospects
Speaker 1: all draft season long. Fits. When I put together this list,
Speaker 1: you insisted that we had Johnny Wilson to it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's just so big.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's like the guy who I think some
Speaker 4: fantasy platforms are going to.
Speaker 5: Have a hard time.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have meetings over where to what kind of
Speaker 4: eligibility to give Johnny Wilson, like tight end or wide receiver.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be like Marcus Colston was coming into the
Speaker 4: NFL going of the Saints, so.
Speaker 3: Yeahhoo, they'll just give him both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, But what is he He's like six six
Speaker 4: or six seven?
Speaker 5: I think they said he.
Speaker 4: Maybe wait seven, yeah, or maybe he measured in at
Speaker 4: like six ' six something at the six senior ball change, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and just like this big dude obviously major red zone potential,
Speaker 4: Like Darren Wallers, is a comp that gets thrown around
Speaker 4: quite a bit. So like I'd I'd be much more
Speaker 4: excited about him as a tight end than as a
Speaker 4: wide receiver because I don't think he's going to be
Speaker 4: a big explosive playmaker. But there is a lot of
Speaker 4: red zone touchdown potential here.
Speaker 1: Who knows how accurate it is, but ESPN has six seven,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty seven thountains.
Speaker 5: It's a big wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Big man got to use him like the Ravens do
Speaker 2: Isaiah Likely? You know, Yeah, he can't play in line,
Speaker 2: but neither can Likely, so who cares.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm looking it up now what Likely's measurements are.
Speaker 2: Because he's six fours, I don't think he's that tall,
Speaker 2: but he's very tall.
Speaker 1: He's he's six four two thirty five, so he is
Speaker 1: smaller than Johnny Wilson, at least according to team he's enormous. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he is not small. Let's move to a far less
Speaker 1: exciting position this year and listen, there are going to
Speaker 1: be names in this running back class that find roles
Speaker 1: that maybe even our starters. There are guys here that
Speaker 1: people like, But there is no Jamiir Gibbs, There's no
Speaker 1: Bjon Robinson. There's nobody even within a tier or two tiers,
Speaker 1: of what those guys would have been if they were
Speaker 1: in the same class. We talked about it when we
Speaker 1: were looking at our early running back tiers for Dynasty overall,
Speaker 1: not just rookies. We talked a bit about the rookies
Speaker 1: and said, there's probably gonna be none of them taken
Speaker 1: in the first round of your superflex super Flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 1: So it is a down year, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: But there are still a lot of interesting names. I'll
Speaker 1: throw eight at you here, and I want you guys
Speaker 1: pick ones that stand out. Blake Korum, Braylan Allen, Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 1: Trey Benson, Bucky Irving, Audric Estimae Ray Davis, and Marshawn
Speaker 1: Lloyd Bogman. Do any of those names stand out as
Speaker 1: guys that you think could end up being NFL starters
Speaker 1: and therefore starters for your fantasy team.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Jonathan Brooks is the best running
Speaker 2: back in this class. I don't think it's really close.
Speaker 2: But he tore his ACL in November, so he's gonna
Speaker 2: fall down boards. He's gonna be off boards, And it's
Speaker 2: tough to say a guy coming in the NFL is
Speaker 2: going to look exactly the same because you're jumping a
Speaker 2: level and you're coming off an entry, so he's gonna
Speaker 2: be a little bit lower.
Speaker 3: But I gotta shout out my Texas guy.
Speaker 2: But the guy that I like the most out of
Speaker 2: this group is Bucky Irving, and it's a little surprising.
Speaker 2: Bucky is not the physical force that like a Blake
Speaker 2: korm Is or especially a Braylan Allen, But you can
Speaker 2: line him up anywhere. My dream scenario for Bucky, and
Speaker 2: I just did this in a mock with my buddy
Speaker 2: c k over at in this league where I do
Speaker 2: a draft podcast over there. We put him in Philly
Speaker 2: in the second round. He was our first running back
Speaker 2: off the board. I just think the fit is perfect.
Speaker 2: He played at Oregon in the spread system, ran a
Speaker 2: lot of RPOs. He ran he he was in the slot,
Speaker 2: he lined about wide at wide receiver as well. And
Speaker 2: he's electric with the ball in his hands. He's so
Speaker 2: super fast. So Bucky was the guy that stood out
Speaker 2: to me among all of the running backs out of
Speaker 2: this group that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Fitz, what do you think about any of these games?
Speaker 1: I mean, Marshawn Lloyd had a great Senior Bowl. People
Speaker 1: were buzzing about him under that.
Speaker 3: He's a usc too, Like he's absolutely a big name.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I know, like Odrick estimae Is says, sneaky had
Speaker 1: like a really good career at Notre Dame. Maybe not
Speaker 1: so sneaky. I know, folks that the Ringer really like
Speaker 1: Trey Benson. I've seen football guys really likes Irving as
Speaker 1: well and Estimate. So it kind of depends like where
Speaker 1: you look, you'll see different people who kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know if those are actually there RB ones. It
Speaker 1: show the sites, but you kind of see different guys
Speaker 1: getting hyped up in different places. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: nature of the class this year. Who's the guy for
Speaker 1: you fits?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you would expect me to say Brayln Allen.
Speaker 4: Since I'm the Wisconsin guy and you can pull.
Speaker 1: A Bogman and just picked the guy. I don't have
Speaker 1: the luxury of doing that because there's no good Maryland
Speaker 1: players this year. You guys need to be homers for me.
Speaker 4: But there's gonna be oh Man, there's gonna be a
Speaker 4: lot of excitement in a couple of weeks when Braylan
Speaker 4: Allen shows up at like two hundred and forty pounds
Speaker 4: and runs like a good time. I'm not going to
Speaker 4: make a prediction on the time, but I think it's
Speaker 4: gonna be one that it's gonna have people really excited.
Speaker 5: But like, he is an early down thumper.
Speaker 4: And that's not necessarily the most valuable archetype of running
Speaker 4: back to have in dynasty when Dynasty leagues are predominantly
Speaker 4: PPR leagues, and Braylan Allen, like, you know, he showed
Speaker 4: that he can catch a ball, he just can't do
Speaker 4: much in space when he catches it. He's not that
Speaker 4: kind of guy. For my money, the best pure runner
Speaker 4: in this class is Blake Koram, And that's hard because
Speaker 4: I don't really love Michigan football. But I see a
Speaker 4: lot of Ray Rice when I see Blake Korm. I
Speaker 4: see a guy who's just like a resourceful runner. He
Speaker 4: can like for a smaller guy, and he's kind of
Speaker 4: overaged some so some Dynasty managers are not gonna like that.
Speaker 4: Small and over age not a great combination for running backs.
Speaker 5: But man he is.
Speaker 4: So he's got maybe not devon a Chan's contact balance,
Speaker 4: but he's got really good contact balance, just a really
Speaker 4: good feel for finding creases.
Speaker 5: I like him a lot.
Speaker 4: And I'm a big fan of Ray Davis from Kentucky,
Speaker 4: a guy who showed run catch versatility and this dude
Speaker 4: is tough, just like the way he runs through contact
Speaker 4: reminds me a little bit of Josh Jacobs. Also his
Speaker 4: personal life not unlike Josh Jacobs. I think Ray Davis
Speaker 4: also experienced homelessness. So just a real good story and
Speaker 4: a tough kid. Big fan of him. Yeah, these first
Speaker 4: eight though, like there's not going to be much unanimity
Speaker 4: among Dynasty managers in choosing which running back should go first.
Speaker 4: Like there's gonna be a lot of arguing in the
Speaker 4: months to come about how to stack this running back board.
Speaker 1: It's going to be very landing spot dependent and everybody
Speaker 1: is to a degree. But this especially this grouping, is
Speaker 1: going to be who gets that day to draft capital,
Speaker 1: who goes to a spot where there's not an obvious starter,
Speaker 1: who goes to a good offense. That is going to
Speaker 1: matter immensely for these first eight ish names. There might
Speaker 1: be other names that kind of rise later in the process.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about trade Benson? Because he's
Speaker 1: a guy that I've a couple of people that I
Speaker 1: really trust in the space I've seen have liked him,
Speaker 1: and then I've seen others who aren't as high. What
Speaker 1: do you make of Benson?
Speaker 3: I didn't like him.
Speaker 2: I think he ran a little too upright for me.
Speaker 2: Reminded me a little bit of Ronald Jones. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just there's a little he has so
Speaker 2: much burst, he's so fast. I don't know he's going
Speaker 2: to be lower for me. It doesn't mean he's a
Speaker 2: bad back. And you put him in a landing spot
Speaker 2: in you know, you'll lean him over a little bit.
Speaker 2: Now he's all of a sudden a much better back,
Speaker 2: So you know, I think these things are fixable. But
Speaker 2: for a guy coming into the NFL, I was a
Speaker 2: little unimpressed, and I thought he was gonna be my
Speaker 2: favorite after watching him at Florida State so much. When
Speaker 2: I really dug in, I just put him a little
Speaker 2: lower on my board. I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have him much lower than five or six, right, but
Speaker 2: he's definitely not gonna be one for me.
Speaker 1: So obviously we're not expecting any of these guys to
Speaker 1: be a first round pick in the NFL draft. Do
Speaker 1: we expect any of them to even be a top
Speaker 1: fifty pick, to even be a round two pick. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine two rounds going by without drafting
Speaker 1: a running back. But given the state of this class,
Speaker 1: given the state of how the position is valued, I mean, bogwan,
Speaker 1: where is the first guy getting drafted? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not ask you to put a name on it, but
Speaker 1: where is whoever the guy is going to be?
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be just right around fifty,
Speaker 2: before or after, I don't think really matters. I think
Speaker 2: it's somewhere late in the second round is where we're
Speaker 2: going to see the first one go. And you know,
Speaker 2: I mean like a lot of the teams picking, you know,
Speaker 2: when I'm going through it now, And obviously this is
Speaker 2: before even free agency has happened. It's hard to stick
Speaker 2: a running back, especially with all of the wide receiver
Speaker 2: talent and all the cornerback talent and all of that
Speaker 2: in the first couple of rounds. There's a lot of offensive
Speaker 2: lineman issues in the NFL as well, So it's like
Speaker 2: you either have better talent at different positions or more
Speaker 2: dire needs for some of these NFL teams. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if I'm betting, I would say, post pick fifty.
Speaker 4: How about Blake Korham to Jim Harbaugh and the Chargers
Speaker 4: in the mid to upper mid to early second round.
Speaker 3: I'd rather see heavy or Worthy there.
Speaker 2: But yes, that is definitely a possibility, and it depends
Speaker 2: on what Harbaugh chooses to do with that pick at
Speaker 2: what is it six? So is that Joe Walt or
Speaker 2: is that Brock Bauers. Is that a playmaker? Because if
Speaker 2: that's the case, you know Harball is going offensive line
Speaker 2: in the second round. But if it's an offensive lineman,
Speaker 2: then that leaves that spot open for quorum. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously trades are gonna work for agency is gonna work
Speaker 2: a lot of those needs out as well, But that
Speaker 2: landing spot would be amazing because you know, That's exactly
Speaker 2: what Harbaugh wants to do. He wants to run the
Speaker 2: ball sixty times a game, down your throat and never
Speaker 2: throw it. That's what he wants to do. It's what
Speaker 2: they did at Michigan, and that's what he did with
Speaker 2: the Niners too.
Speaker 5: You could maybe get corm in the third two.
Speaker 2: It's maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the Chargers didn't have Justin Herbert, you know
Speaker 1: that fifth pick would be JJ McCarthy the way Jim
Speaker 1: Harbott talks about him. We were talking about the rookies today,
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Speaker 1: Sort of the back half of our top running backs here,
Speaker 1: Will Shipley, Cody Schrader, Isaiah Davis, Kamani Vidal, Dylan Low,
Speaker 1: Jalen Wright, Frankor Junior fits. Jalen Wright is a guy
Speaker 1: that I've seen a lot of people tweeting about lately.
Speaker 1: Is he somebody that stands out to you as well?
Speaker 5: Playmaker?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see what he runs in Indianapolis.
Speaker 5: That that's gonna be a big one. I think. I
Speaker 5: like a lot of these guys.
Speaker 4: Shipley is interesting, Cody Schrader and Isaiah Davis.
Speaker 5: I know our guys Thor.
Speaker 4: Likes, and I haven't seen much of Isaiah Davis at
Speaker 4: all because I believe he's the South Dakota State jack rabbit.
Speaker 5: Is that right, Isaiah Davis?
Speaker 4: So you know, I like Cody Schrader carried a pretty
Speaker 4: big load from Missouri, but then again, so did Tyler Bady,
Speaker 4: and he hasn't been able to get a foothold in
Speaker 4: the NFL.
Speaker 5: So yeah, interesting group here.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, like we always see Day three
Speaker 4: rookie running backs pop as rookies like one of probably
Speaker 4: one of these guys in the like nine to seventeen,
Speaker 4: it's gonna wind up being a thousand yard back, like
Speaker 4: it seems to inevitably happen. And you know, this is
Speaker 4: just sort of an opaque running back class, Like it
Speaker 4: is hard to see through the fog and figure out
Speaker 4: which one of these guys are going to fire right away.
Speaker 1: Bog mean, I think I saw you nodding when I
Speaker 1: mentioned Jalen Wright. Is he kind of a guy for
Speaker 1: you too?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So in this group, I like Jalen Wright a lot.
Speaker 2: My buddy c K was like, you got to watch him.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, So I went back and watched him.
Speaker 2: He's very good. Yeah so, and he's more complete. I
Speaker 2: think he's had his injury stuff. There's there's some red
Speaker 2: flag about him. I'm not remembering off the top of
Speaker 2: my head. But Kamani Vidal too, got a little bit
Speaker 2: of mention in a couple of podcasts I was watching.
Speaker 2: I was looking at his stats. Ninety four miss tackles
Speaker 2: forced and out of this group, that is the highest.
Speaker 2: As our boy Thor would say with a bullet. Bucky
Speaker 2: Irving sixty nine miss tackles forced and Bucky has the
Speaker 2: highest elusive rating on PFF. Out of all these guys,
Speaker 2: Vadal is I believe fourth or fifth, and Jalen Wright
Speaker 2: is third out of this group of forty three mess
Speaker 2: tackles as well, in only one hundred, one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty eight touches, Bucky had two forty one, Kamani Vidal
Speaker 2: had three hundred and thirteen. So all these guys are
Speaker 2: more complete backs. Isaiah Davis too complete back. I would
Speaker 2: put those guys ahead of Shipley, ahead of Strader. I
Speaker 2: think those are passing down guys, and I think Will
Speaker 2: Shipley is smart enough to run inside.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: He's big enough to run inside, so I think he's
Speaker 2: gonna have to be a receiving back, a third down guy,
Speaker 2: an outside zone runner, something like that. I don't think
Speaker 2: he can keep it between the gaps.
Speaker 1: Fits. I know you're no stranger too. Wow, I'm so
Speaker 1: old moments, but I had won when I saw Frank
Speaker 1: Ord Junior's name for the first time as one of
Speaker 1: the first sons of a player that I vividly remember
Speaker 1: watching for multiple years.
Speaker 3: I mean Franks retired like three years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, being so durable for so long for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean not that we're putting Hall of Fame career,
Speaker 1: you know, level type numbers on his son, but any
Speaker 1: similarities in their game at all.
Speaker 5: Not really.
Speaker 4: I mean, like Frank Gore Senior was kind of like
Speaker 4: he was always pretty rugged and a tough between the tackles.
Speaker 4: Guy Junior, I think is like five eight and under
Speaker 4: two hundred pounds, So they're not going to be the
Speaker 4: same type of back. He's gonna have to succeed in
Speaker 4: a different sort of way.
Speaker 1: Bogman, any interestedologist, as you know, the son of a
Speaker 1: great player. I mean, not not quite in the level
Speaker 1: of Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: As far as teams his class, but right, yeah, and
Speaker 2: by the way, Marvin he went in the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame so fast fits he went in twenty sixteen, Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 2: so he went and did fast retiring. It's crazy, but yeah, look,
Speaker 2: Frank Gore another guy that carried the load. I mean,
Speaker 2: he did everything for Southern MYSS. So I am curious
Speaker 2: to see where he goes because you know, you can
Speaker 2: put him on special teams. He's going to give everything
Speaker 2: he has, right, He's just a heart player. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'm I'm at least interested to see where
Speaker 2: he lands.
Speaker 1: This wasn't a question I plan on asking, but just
Speaker 1: before we move off the running backs in as far
Speaker 1: as last year's running backs, because I mentioned there's no
Speaker 1: Junior Gibbs or Beijon in this year's class, I'm curious,
Speaker 1: just you know, trying to rank the tops of classes
Speaker 1: in general, year over year is always a fascinating conversation
Speaker 1: to me, where would Bijon and Gibbs go at the
Speaker 1: top of super flex rookie drafts if they were in
Speaker 1: this year's class, like trying to compare. Was that just
Speaker 1: a historically good running back top of the class where
Speaker 1: those guys would be in the conversation with Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: Junior and Drake May and Malik Neighbors, or is the
Speaker 1: position so devalued now, particularly in Dynasty, that nobody would
Speaker 1: be able to kind of break into that top half
Speaker 1: of the first round without being like generationally special fits.
Speaker 3: What do you think John Third?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think he's still going ahead of
Speaker 4: Roma dune'esday. I think I think he'd go ahead of
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels. For me, I think I would have taken
Speaker 4: him ahead of mylik neighbors, not ahead of Harrison, not
Speaker 4: ahead of Kaleb.
Speaker 5: I would have taken him third.
Speaker 1: What about Gibbs behind neighbors behind it? Okay, so it
Speaker 1: is still possible to have running backs up there, even
Speaker 1: in a really good class elsewhere, it just takes really
Speaker 1: special guys then, ye, speaking of very special talents, let's
Speaker 1: go to tight end, where there's only one name I
Speaker 1: want to talk about at the top. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: other guys as well. Don't worry, Bogman will get to
Speaker 1: your guy at the top. You know, much like wide
Speaker 1: receiver and much like quarterback, there is a very clear
Speaker 1: number one. And in this case, maybe depending on how
Speaker 1: much of a homer Bobin wants to be, not that
Speaker 1: many players close behind him. It's Brock Bowers. I referenced
Speaker 1: him earlier. I want to ask the top because there's
Speaker 1: no debate about whether or not he's tight end one
Speaker 1: in this class? Is he tight end one of the
Speaker 1: last several years? Is he a better prospect than Kyle
Speaker 1: hits was coming out? You see a better prospect than
Speaker 1: any other tight end you can think of, because Pitts
Speaker 1: has had sort of the generational athlete, you know, label
Speaker 1: thrown on him by some people, but Bowers has been
Speaker 1: really productive since day one at Georgia. Bogman, what do you.
Speaker 5: Think, Uh?
Speaker 2: I think I have brock Bawers lower in my thought
Speaker 2: process than Pitts, But I think it's because of Pitts
Speaker 2: and what he's done at the NFL level, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So brock Bowers to me is the
Speaker 2: third best pass catcher in this class. I would put
Speaker 2: him behind Neighbors, I'd put him behind Marvin Harrison. So
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna have him ahead of Roma Dunze depending
Speaker 2: on where Rome ends up right and where brock Bowers
Speaker 2: ends up. But I do think brock Bauers is very good,
Speaker 2: and I think it may be wrong to view him
Speaker 2: as a tight end. He is just he is a
Speaker 2: tight end. But he's a tight end in the sense
Speaker 2: that you know, Mark Andrews is a tight end.
Speaker 3: He's not doing a lot of blocking.
Speaker 2: He is out there to be an option number one
Speaker 2: for a team that needs him. Like I could easily
Speaker 2: see him going to the Chargers right with that early pick,
Speaker 2: I could easily see him going to Tennessee. And in
Speaker 2: those scenarios, I mean, Keenan All might be a cap casualty.
Speaker 2: Mike Williams should be a cap casualty. And now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you have nobody except Quentin Johnson and
Speaker 2: Joshua Palmer in LA. So let's get in Brock Bowers.
Speaker 2: He could be a number one there is he already?
Speaker 2: Would he be better than a fading DeAndre Hopkins in Tennessee?
Speaker 2: I think he would.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: I think landing spot in terms of fantasy is going
Speaker 2: to be enormous for really any tight end, but Brock
Speaker 2: Bowers in particular, because he is that level of talent
Speaker 2: that will bump up against that insane wide receiver talent
Speaker 2: that we have. But it's just it depends on where
Speaker 2: he lands. And there's a picture floating around. Did you
Speaker 2: see the picture with him next to Gronk at the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl? And he looks, you know, like someone begging
Speaker 2: for change next to Gronk because he's so skinny.
Speaker 3: Gronky looks like a wrestler, you know.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask about that because Bowers is
Speaker 1: a little undersized for the.
Speaker 2: Position, right, and he's had some injuries. Yes, so, but
Speaker 2: you're not gonna ask a guy of that talent. I mean,
Speaker 2: he may eventually switch to wide receiver. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: ask a guy of that talent to block in the
Speaker 2: run game too much. You know he will do is
Speaker 2: blocking that he should be, but you're not gonna put
Speaker 2: him in line to block the monsters. He's not gonna
Speaker 2: be blocking Miles Garrett or TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt. He's gonna be outside blocking white outs.
Speaker 1: I think I referenced this quote when we did our
Speaker 1: tight End Tears episode, But I remember in the Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts year, Daniel Jeremiah said, take tight end off of him,
Speaker 1: just call him a wide receiver and he's the best
Speaker 1: one in the class. Now that didn't end up being
Speaker 1: true because Jumar Chase is in that class, but it
Speaker 1: seems like it's kind of the same sort of thing
Speaker 1: with Bowers, where like, just ignore the fact that he
Speaker 1: has te next to his name. He's a top three
Speaker 1: pass catcher in the class. Do you agree with that
Speaker 1: fits that he would be ahead of a Donze but
Speaker 1: behind Harrison and Neighbors if you grouped all the pass
Speaker 1: catchers together, I think so.
Speaker 5: I think that's where I would.
Speaker 2: You have a mat of Neighbors fits, because you know
Speaker 2: you were Marvin Harrison with a bullet more.
Speaker 5: I don't think I could do it. Oh, I don't
Speaker 5: think I could do it.
Speaker 4: But one of the reasons I think maybe Bowers has
Speaker 4: an easier transition to the NFL than Pitt's had is
Speaker 4: because Pitts is sort of a get open against mismatches
Speaker 4: linebackers and safeties and you know, make make the catch,
Speaker 4: make acrobatic catches in the end zone, whereas I think
Speaker 4: Bauers is more the traditional tight end at least maybe
Speaker 4: not in terms of blocking, but in terms of like
Speaker 4: taking a short pass and rampaging through defenses after the catch.
Speaker 4: Like that is where Brock Bauers just shines like he
Speaker 4: is a load to bring down, even though he's not
Speaker 4: gronk sized, Like he is just so nasty after the catch,
Speaker 4: skinny yep. And I mean he reminds me a lot
Speaker 4: of Laporta in that regard, like a junior version of
Speaker 4: Kelsey in that regard. But I mean, like you saw
Speaker 4: it from the most moment he uh set foot on
Speaker 4: the field for Georgia too in twenty twenty one, Like
Speaker 4: I saw the guy right away. I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: we have to wait until the spring of twenty twenty
Speaker 4: forty draft. This guy in dynasty like it was in
Speaker 4: it's been in interminable waits and I'm very excited that
Speaker 4: he finally hear.
Speaker 1: So Obviously with tight end in particular, like team need
Speaker 1: in terms of your dynasty rosters is very relevant. If
Speaker 1: you have like San Laporta on your roster, you're probably
Speaker 1: more likely to go for you know, a Roma Dun's Air,
Speaker 1: neighbors or whoever. But agnostic of that, if I like
Speaker 1: to try and put context into in actual rookie drafts,
Speaker 1: where are these guys going, Kayler Williams one, Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: Junior to Drake May three, neighbors and Daniels four and five,
Speaker 1: Bowers six, odunesday seven. That that's the clear top seven?
Speaker 1: Is that about the right order fits?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think that that sounds pretty good to me.
Speaker 2: Same, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's the That is the
Speaker 2: order without context to your teams or these guys landing
Speaker 2: on teams yet or the combine, because look, the combine
Speaker 2: separates and it doesn't just separate, you know, the good
Speaker 2: from the bad. It separates the good from the pretty good,
Speaker 2: you know as well. So in a stacked class of
Speaker 2: wide receivers, you're gonna see a lot of separation from
Speaker 2: the combine.
Speaker 3: Same thing with running backs.
Speaker 2: Even though the uh, you know, the class is bad,
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot of separation from the combine
Speaker 2: as well. Because the class, because they're all kind of
Speaker 2: clumped together, you're gonna get a little more separation after
Speaker 2: the combine. Whether that's because of numbers or what we
Speaker 2: just hear from GMS talking and rumors and stuff. So
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 1: So, Bob mean, let's say brock Bauers is a let's
Speaker 1: just say, out of scale one to ten, he's a
Speaker 1: ten out of ten tight end prospect. Jatavian Sanders tight
Speaker 1: end two in the class is a what out.
Speaker 2: Of ten, six, five somewhere. So there is a clear, clear,
Speaker 2: enormous Yeah, look, I love.
Speaker 1: Sanders closer to Bowers than he is to tight end three?
Speaker 1: Or is the gap so wide that Sanders, even though
Speaker 1: he's clear tight end two, is actually closer to tight.
Speaker 2: End there's that moneyball gap, you know, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, Like, Yeah, there's there's the rich teams,
Speaker 2: there's the four teams, and then there's UH and then
Speaker 2: there's the rest of the tight ends. That's what it
Speaker 2: is in this class. It really is, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot of separation in the combine
Speaker 2: and tight ends because someone has to pop up outside
Speaker 2: of the top two here. So I think there's an
Speaker 2: enormous gap between Bowers and Sanders, and I love Sanders,
Speaker 2: and there may not be that type of gap in production,
Speaker 2: but in terms of talent, uh, there definitely is. It
Speaker 2: depends on where Sanders lands. But the rest of these
Speaker 2: guys could all be never heard of again. And I
Speaker 2: in terms of fantasy, like, obviously they're gonna be on
Speaker 2: pro teams for a long time, but it wouldn't shock
Speaker 2: me if there wasn't another one to crop up their
Speaker 2: head and have real impact in terms of fantasy.
Speaker 3: You know, beyond those top two fits.
Speaker 1: What's your read on Sanders, because if you look at
Speaker 1: our staff rankings, you know, just sort by tight ends,
Speaker 1: only Devro has a tight end eight right now in
Speaker 1: Dynasty you and Eric said, I'm like tight in eighteen,
Speaker 1: tighten twenty, So obviously you're not quite as high as
Speaker 1: de Rose. Again, check out their NFL Draft show for him.
Speaker 1: A thorner to break that down. But what's your read
Speaker 1: on Sanders.
Speaker 4: Oh, man, I don't have a good one, and he's
Speaker 4: been one of my hardest guys to rank for like
Speaker 4: overall rankings in this rookie class, Like, I don't know
Speaker 4: where Jitavian Sanders really should go in super flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 5: Where do you think he belongs, Bagman?
Speaker 2: In terms, So we're talking about in terms against the
Speaker 2: rest of the tight ends.
Speaker 4: Yes, in a twelve team No, No, not against the
Speaker 4: rest of the tight ends, because he's clearly too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, overall, I thought we were talking about tight ends
Speaker 1: in the league.
Speaker 5: Okay, so late second, mid.
Speaker 3: Second, late second.
Speaker 2: There's so many wide receivers, and I love Sanders and
Speaker 2: maybe he'll have a bigger impact than a couple of
Speaker 2: those wide receivers that are low. But I can't take
Speaker 2: him ahead of I can't take him ahead of Roman. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that. There are so many guys. There's a
Speaker 2: couple running backs. Still, I would take over Jatavian as well,
Speaker 2: and I love Jatavian. I think he's great, but he
Speaker 2: is undersized, which is going to take him off the
Speaker 2: field a little bit more. You know, can Tessa catches
Speaker 2: he's okay, he's not doing a ton after the catch.
Speaker 2: I think you have four missed tackles forced. The rest
Speaker 2: of these guys had him. I'm there are a couple
Speaker 2: guys down there that I'm intrigued by.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean Sanders has got to go.
Speaker 1: What round do you think he goes in in the
Speaker 1: NFL draft?
Speaker 3: I think the second. I think late second. He could push.
Speaker 2: If he has a good combine, I could see him
Speaker 2: pushing early second.
Speaker 1: Who goes higher, Jatavian Sanders or RB one, whoever.
Speaker 2: That is Sanders. It really depends on who takes him.
Speaker 2: But I think tight end. And this is why you
Speaker 2: see brock Bauer slipping down at like fifteen sixteen and
Speaker 2: a lot of MUCKs. Right now, tight end is kind
Speaker 2: of becoming running back in terms of how the NFL
Speaker 2: used the position. It us it less and less and less,
Speaker 2: and it's more like, okay, well, I need a receiving
Speaker 2: tight end and I need a blocking tight end, not
Speaker 2: one complete tight end anymore. They're separating the jobs on
Speaker 2: the field, kind of like our BBC right running back
Speaker 2: by committee. A lot of teams are going to so
Speaker 2: the NFL is just changing the landscape of the position overall,
Speaker 2: So I think receiving tight ends, there's so many, so
Speaker 2: teams are viewing them less and less but good combine
Speaker 2: early second, bad combine early third. I think that's what
Speaker 2: Sanders is looking at fits.
Speaker 1: Quickly to wrap up any other tight ends even worth
Speaker 1: mentioning Kate Stover. I know Jaheem Bell has kind of
Speaker 1: a unique skill set for the position, but this is
Speaker 1: just such a clear one and clear two really that
Speaker 1: it seems like there's almost not worth wasting time in
Speaker 1: any of these other guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: I mean, Stover I think made Dan Brugler's top one
Speaker 4: hundred kind of near the back end of it, which
Speaker 4: you know, could could make them a Day three or
Speaker 4: a Day two candidate.
Speaker 5: Jaheim Bell interesting.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm kind of glad you mentioned him before
Speaker 4: the show that we should maybe talk about him where
Speaker 4: I agree, because he's kind of like a typical for
Speaker 4: a tight end, and that he's sort of twitchy and quick,
Speaker 4: so like maybe if he does something special at the
Speaker 4: combine workouts, he could possibly vault himself into like late
Speaker 4: Day two consideration. But yeah, I mean, like this is
Speaker 4: a boy, it's a tough group to sort out after
Speaker 4: Bowers and Sanders.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you what are you missing, Hayden Hurst?
Speaker 2: Is that why you like Jaheen Bell so much?
Speaker 1: No, No, I had I have Jeeen Bell in my
Speaker 1: campus to Canton League, so I watched him a little
Speaker 1: closer than I might have some of these other tight
Speaker 1: ends way down. And he is, I mean, like Fitz said,
Speaker 1: and it's why I mentioned him like just a unique
Speaker 1: a guy that can be using unique ways. He's not
Speaker 1: some star, He's not gonna I don't think he's likely
Speaker 1: to be a fantasy starter for you ever, really, but
Speaker 1: he's the type of player that I think an NFL
Speaker 1: team can take and find creative ways to use him.
Speaker 1: Whether it's in the red zone, you can hand the
Speaker 1: ball off to him. I mean again, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I'm not going out on a limb here and like
Speaker 1: playing my flag on jeem Bell.
Speaker 3: He's just like an h back.
Speaker 2: I think if one, if one guy is gonna jump up,
Speaker 2: I think it's Hulker, the Dylan Hulker, the tight end
Speaker 2: out of Colorado State. I think he got a lot
Speaker 2: of usage, a lot like Trey McBride, you know. And
Speaker 2: I'm not compared to Trey McBride is way better. But
Speaker 2: I do think that this is a guy that could
Speaker 2: push himself into early day three with a good combine
Speaker 2: and good meetings and stuff. So I think that's a
Speaker 2: guy I know a lot of people like Ben Snatt
Speaker 2: as well. I think that he's a guy that can
Speaker 2: push himself up. Already has the effort, all that is there.
Speaker 2: He's a high motor guy. So there's talent there, but
Speaker 2: it's separating it what it's going to look like. And
Speaker 2: then how does the NFL see these guys right is
Speaker 2: a big, big question, and I think we'll get way
Speaker 2: more answers about that after the combine.
Speaker 1: This rookie class is deep, it's fun, it's interesting. We
Speaker 1: gave you an extra ten minutes on today's show to
Speaker 1: try and get through as many names as possible. We
Speaker 1: will get out of here on that. And yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're just diving in, you know super Bowl is over.
Speaker 1: Now is the time that you're sort of flipping the switch.
Speaker 1: This can be kind of an intro for you. If
Speaker 1: you are a die hard and already been kind of
Speaker 1: in the weeds of these rookie drafts, this can be
Speaker 1: a snapshot in time here as we headed in the combine,
Speaker 1: will of course update sort of rankings and tiers and
Speaker 1: stuff on the show throughout the next couple of months,
Speaker 1: but like I said, we'll get out of here on that.
Speaker 1: So four fits and for Bogman, I am Ryan warmly
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