Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Vanessa Bayer and this is my brother Jonah.
Speaker 3: We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood
Speaker 3: in nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people
Speaker 3: we are today.
Speaker 2: Who are very modest, if I do say so myself.
Speaker 3: Welcome to how did We get Weird?
Speaker 2: Jonah?
Speaker 4: You know, I know we're both really excited for our
Speaker 4: guests today and our topic. And it reminded me, without
Speaker 4: giving too much away, of the time that you sold
Speaker 4: your discmand to me, your sony Discman to me when
Speaker 4: we were probably like in middle school.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that vaguely? I remember it mostly from
Speaker 3: you talking about it, but how much should I get?
Speaker 3: How did do you remember how it came about? You
Speaker 3: were like, can I listen to your Discmand? I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll sell it to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like I had gotten I don't know.
Speaker 4: I guess I had gotten like the Janet CD, the
Speaker 4: jan At Jackson's CD Janet of course, and I really
Speaker 4: wanted to listen to it or something, and you had
Speaker 4: a discman and I was like, wow, I would be
Speaker 4: so cool to be able to listen to it.
Speaker 2: And walk around and stuff.
Speaker 4: So you said for forty five dollars, you can buy
Speaker 4: this discman for me. So I did, and wouldn't you know,
Speaker 4: I'd say, the next day it was back in your room.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So it was sort of like you sold me something,
Speaker 4: but then you actually took it back and I'd always
Speaker 4: have to like go find it right right, So if
Speaker 4: you were a store, i'd say, let's put this one,
Speaker 4: this store out of business.
Speaker 3: Right, is there an absolute racket? Yeah, sorry about that.
Speaker 3: I don't really remember it, but I believe you that
Speaker 3: it happened. And yeah, it'd be great if we could
Speaker 3: tell a story now about how is it successful? Entrepreneur?
Speaker 3: And that was one of my first deals.
Speaker 4: Right, well, I think mom and dad made you give
Speaker 4: me the money back. Yeah, at some point, because I
Speaker 4: don't know if you remember this too, but I was
Speaker 4: a real money saver and you were kind of a
Speaker 4: spender when we were kids.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but look you're doing great now.
Speaker 4: So it looks it's like, you know, learn those lessons
Speaker 4: when you're young, is what they say. You know, start
Speaker 4: a business, learn you know, start.
Speaker 3: An unethical business when you're young. Get it out of
Speaker 3: your system exactly exactly. Sounds good. Well, let's let's uh
Speaker 3: Let's see what our guest has to say about this story.
Speaker 3: Guess today as a musician you may know from bands
Speaker 3: like MGMT or Modest Mouse. You can also pre order
Speaker 3: his band Spederal Heads new album Till I'm Dead Now.
Speaker 3: You can pre order it now comes up very soon.
Speaker 3: Let's welcome our old friend, Simon O'Connor. Simon, what is up?
Speaker 1: How's it going? What's up?
Speaker 3: Not much?
Speaker 4: What are you?
Speaker 3: What are you doing there?
Speaker 1: Just hanging out? Do you mind? I have a couple.
Speaker 5: I have a question and the sort of a theory
Speaker 5: about the story you just told. Okay, my question is
Speaker 5: how much did you charge for the disc band?
Speaker 2: Forty five dollars?
Speaker 5: Is that what you bought it for? How did she
Speaker 5: charge you? And how much did you buy it for?
Speaker 3: I don't know how much I bought it for. May
Speaker 3: have gotten as a gift, I don't know. That's a
Speaker 3: good question. How much was it was? Probably around I
Speaker 3: don't know, seventy five bucks.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good round. I don't really remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we remember how money was worth a lot more
Speaker 4: than so, like, I don't know, but I think I
Speaker 4: got like a slight discount. But Jonah made up for
Speaker 4: the discount by not.
Speaker 3: Letting Vanessa like a like if it was refurbished price.
Speaker 1: Right, right, you gently used Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well I also think the reason you don't remember this, Jonah,
Speaker 5: is because you took it back because it was really
Speaker 5: a non event.
Speaker 1: In your life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you had a disc man and then one
Speaker 5: evening you didn't have it, and then you had it again,
Speaker 5: right until it inevitably broke. Yeah, and then you had
Speaker 5: mysterious forty five dollars, which what Vanessa said, it sounds
Speaker 5: like you spent immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Why do you think Vanessa held onto this memory
Speaker 3: for thirty years.
Speaker 1: Because she got ripped off?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you're the and you're the little sister of Vanessa.
Speaker 1: Is this cool? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So that's also another thing. My sister remembers all this
Speaker 5: crazy shit. Then I'm like, I don't remember that. I
Speaker 5: think it's like she remembers sort of like she claims
Speaker 5: that trauma hires her by forcing her to watch Pink
Speaker 5: Floyd's The Wall right when she was three. But the
Speaker 5: truth of the matter is I had never seen Pink
Speaker 5: Floyd's The Wall, and I.
Speaker 1: Was watching it, and I think she came into the room,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's like the little context.
Speaker 5: I wasn't like doing the clockwork orange thing, you know,
Speaker 5: just putting her there, and I was unaware that she
Speaker 5: was in the room maybe or I didn't know what
Speaker 5: was going to happen in the movie. You hadn't seen it, right, yeah?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Do you have a memory like for music? Like for me,
Speaker 3: Vanessa has a lot more childhood memories, but with like
Speaker 3: I remember like the first Bad Religion, now My God
Speaker 3: and every song, Like for music stuff, I have a
Speaker 3: very good memory, what about you?
Speaker 5: Yes, I like I remember sort of the full lineups
Speaker 5: of shows I've been to, the full lineups of shows
Speaker 5: I haven't been to.
Speaker 1: And I think.
Speaker 5: That's the way I create clarity and cosmos and this
Speaker 5: chaotic life is by making sort of lists and things
Speaker 5: like that. And they're all music related. But that's but
Speaker 5: I have other memories too, But you say you don't,
Speaker 5: you just that's own.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I have other memories, but those, for some reason just
Speaker 3: stick stick a lot better.
Speaker 1: What's the first CD you ever bought?
Speaker 3: Both the Yeah, I know mine for sure? What was yours?
Speaker 1: N SA?
Speaker 4: Mine was Tori Amos Under the Pink and I got
Speaker 4: a five CD changer that year, which Jonah, you were like,
Speaker 4: don't get this five CD changer. It's a really crappy brand.
Speaker 4: You should get the three CD changer that's Sony. And
Speaker 4: I was like, sorry, Jonah, I want to put all
Speaker 4: my CDs in here, And then I only had like
Speaker 4: two of them, like two CDs total.
Speaker 1: Was it the Iowa the Iowa? It could have been
Speaker 1: three CD changer.
Speaker 2: It might have been. It might have been.
Speaker 1: Those things broke.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was always like or.
Speaker 1: And then be like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, no, I just I want you to go in.
Speaker 5: And then, you know, I think a mistake is that
Speaker 5: if you give it a gentle nudge, the kind of
Speaker 5: the tray would go in, and the gentle nudge over
Speaker 5: time becomes a less gentle nudge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's it again.
Speaker 5: One day you it won't open and you lost three
Speaker 5: Tory amsds.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: But the thing that this also had, which I think
Speaker 4: the Sony one maybe didn't, was it had not only
Speaker 4: five CD changer, but two cassette players, which, as you
Speaker 4: will recall, having two cassette players is so important because
Speaker 4: you can make mixtapes.
Speaker 3: I think, or something to be dubbin.
Speaker 1: Did it have a karaoke function?
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't think it did.
Speaker 4: I think it was pretty much like five CDs, two tapes,
Speaker 4: see what you can do with it.
Speaker 5: Okay, mine had one, and I don't think I knew
Speaker 5: that it had one for about a year, and I
Speaker 5: was like, why does all music just sound horrible? Because
Speaker 5: it was doing this weird thing where it would kind
Speaker 5: of try to sort of eq out where they think
Speaker 5: the vocals are.
Speaker 4: So I'm just like, well, I was going to ask
Speaker 4: you what the karaoke function was, So was it for
Speaker 4: CDs specifically?
Speaker 1: Who's for all music?
Speaker 5: It was just whatever's coming out of those speakers and
Speaker 5: like so I was just like, I don't know. I'd
Speaker 5: be like, this is a weird ACDC record because there's
Speaker 5: no vocals or guitar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like taking out a certain frequency or something or
Speaker 3: things vocal yeah wow yeah yeah, but you.
Speaker 2: Don't know to turn that off? That must have been crazy,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, like who's I mean, like, come on, like
Speaker 1: why is it even on there? Why?
Speaker 5: Just I feel like it just it turns on and
Speaker 5: everything turns on. It's really proud of all the things
Speaker 5: that could do. And then, you know, for a little
Speaker 5: guy like me, I didn't know, you know, all these things.
Speaker 5: I didn't know what's going on, and I had to
Speaker 5: press that weird little silver button in the corner to
Speaker 5: make things sound normal, you know.
Speaker 1: Cool Diamond.
Speaker 3: What was your first CD?
Speaker 5: I think my first CD was probably The Downward Spiral
Speaker 5: by nine Schnailles. Okay, but I also like I had tapes.
Speaker 5: My first the first tape I ever bought was True
Speaker 5: Blue by Madonna.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's so sweet. I think Jonahs was Cocktail.
Speaker 3: My first tape was Cocktail.
Speaker 2: My first CD a Cocktail soundtrack from the.
Speaker 3: Cocktail soundtrack, of course. But my first CD, Mom and
Speaker 3: Dad got me User Illusion one to two when they
Speaker 3: came out, I think with a CD player. But I
Speaker 3: had one skid Row's Slave to the Grind somewhere, and
Speaker 3: I remember it being super scandalous because it had a
Speaker 3: song called get the Fuck Out on it. Really it
Speaker 3: was like this party's over, so get the and I
Speaker 3: was like having a CD with like swearing out. It
Speaker 3: was like a huge deal. And I remember like taking
Speaker 3: it to my friend Chad's house and I was listening
Speaker 3: to it like secretly.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I love I love I love the
Speaker 5: curse word, like the back record and all these curse
Speaker 5: words on it. Mellow Golds. Yeah, it's in the back
Speaker 5: of my parents' car and just being like like.
Speaker 3: Motherfucker, it's it's I've told the story before, but my
Speaker 3: mom took me to see Guns and Roses and skid
Speaker 3: Row in ninety one in Richfield, Calse when the show
Speaker 3: one Show skid Row opened on the Slave to the
Speaker 3: Grind tour and Sebastian Bach swore so much on stage
Speaker 3: that it like blew my mind. I was like, people
Speaker 3: can talk like this, like I'd heard like maybe you
Speaker 3: know once in a while in the movie, and then
Speaker 3: I was just like it was every other word, and
Speaker 3: I was like I didn't know that this was like possible.
Speaker 5: Right right, It's a I feel like it was a
Speaker 5: bit much. Yeah, what I mean, you like it, but
Speaker 5: you're kind of like, all right, you know, like the
Speaker 5: curses are special. If they make the curses special, you
Speaker 5: know you're giving it all the way.
Speaker 4: When I used to do stand up at this club
Speaker 4: Zanies in Chicago, they used to put me in the
Speaker 4: like new talent shows, and I remember the manager Bert
Speaker 4: was always like, if you swear in your like everyone
Speaker 4: got like five minutes or ten minutes, he was like,
Speaker 4: if you swear, He's like, it means your joke isn't funny.
Speaker 4: He was like, if you can do the joke without
Speaker 4: the swear word and it's still funny, it's funny. If
Speaker 4: you need the swear word for it to be funny,
Speaker 4: it's not funny.
Speaker 3: And he was.
Speaker 2: Basically like, I don't have respect.
Speaker 4: He was really anti comedian swearing in their sets because
Speaker 4: he's like, it's a cop out. Yeah, and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that's what Sebastian Bach was doing, but a little bit.
Speaker 4: It feels like, just be comfortable enough with yourself that
Speaker 4: you don't need to swear and show everybody, you know.
Speaker 5: I agree with Bert, and I agree with you, and
Speaker 5: I do think it was what Sebastian Bach was doing.
Speaker 5: I do think he was saying, like, listen, these songs
Speaker 5: are bad.
Speaker 1: We all know it.
Speaker 5: We are the almost like royalty free version of what
Speaker 5: you're about to see that's gonna come on after us?
Speaker 1: Who you all like, but you know what the fuck
Speaker 1: is up?
Speaker 5: Or like you know, so I'm not drinking anymore, but
Speaker 5: I'm not drinking any less, motherfuckers, then you chug fucking
Speaker 5: fake jack.
Speaker 3: Dang, he did leave the crowd. This is my clearest
Speaker 3: memory in a chant of the phrase ice ice baby
Speaker 3: fuck off, like in that like like in the cadence
Speaker 3: of the song.
Speaker 4: Jonah, do you remember like looking at mom and being like,
Speaker 4: where are we supposed to do?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't even think your mom was there.
Speaker 3: She was right next to me the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 5: In fact, my dad was president pretty much all the
Speaker 5: first shows I went to. He went, you know, he
Speaker 5: saw Dirvana. My first show was Nirvana, but Wholes opened.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, and that was amazing.
Speaker 5: But but Whole surfers and they played they had operation
Speaker 5: videos in the back, and I was so young that
Speaker 5: I covered my eyes with a whole set, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Like I was like, yeah, I like Nirvana.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of I think I was ten, maybe almost eleven.
Speaker 3: Where was this show?
Speaker 5: Oakland Coliseum that's where my grandparents lived, and then yeah,
Speaker 5: then and then subsequently like them. I remember the most
Speaker 5: awkward show I think I went to with him was Whole,
Speaker 5: which was like the next year, Wow, And I was
Speaker 5: eleven and we were we got up front. It was
Speaker 5: at roseland New York, and Courtney Love was not wearing
Speaker 5: underwear and had her leg up on the on the
Speaker 5: monitor and I remember being like, so that's what that is,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And there's yeah, and just
Speaker 5: like kin out of this sharing that moment, it was
Speaker 5: like with my dad was something that I would kind
Speaker 5: of not like to do again, or I didn't like
Speaker 5: to do that not sha.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that's really shocking for a kid, that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was you know what this might be a little
Speaker 3: of a non secutor, but you know, talking about those
Speaker 3: operation videos, do you remember as a kid, you'd be
Speaker 3: flipping through the channels and then it would just be
Speaker 3: like a close up of someone doing surgery on.
Speaker 1: The side of channel like but at night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like who was that for?
Speaker 2: It was like someone sucking like the like blood out while.
Speaker 3: They're a second to figure out like what's going on
Speaker 3: here because it's like so close up. And then you're like,
Speaker 3: this seems like this should be shown to like a
Speaker 3: medical student, like why is this on TV?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's like okay, you know, channel eleven
Speaker 5: after ten PM it's all operation videos guy.
Speaker 4: Was it like a Discovery predecessor or something like? I
Speaker 4: don't know why because I know now they have like
Speaker 4: those shows on TLC, the show where people get gastric
Speaker 4: bypass surgery with doctor now, right, you know, and they
Speaker 4: show sometimes the surgery like that's a section of it.
Speaker 4: But when we were kids, I don't even think gastric
Speaker 4: bypass surgery existed. I don't know what they were showing
Speaker 4: on there that is really it would be shocking.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, why am I?
Speaker 3: You try to just get off at as fast as like,
Speaker 3: turn your channel as fast as possible.
Speaker 1: Doctor Now.
Speaker 4: It has a longer name, but I think they shorten
Speaker 4: it by saying doctor now.
Speaker 1: Is it an a oh? Or isn't it?
Speaker 4: It's like now, I don't know how I don't I
Speaker 4: don't actually, I'm so used to them calling him doctor now.
Speaker 4: I don't think I know his full name, but I
Speaker 4: think it's my six hundred pound life is the name
Speaker 4: of the show. There's also a new show called it's
Speaker 4: called one thousand Pounds Sisters.
Speaker 1: I've seen.
Speaker 5: Well, Netflix has a real at me. Yeah, you're pushing
Speaker 5: that every time, I you know, like you want to
Speaker 5: watch these people.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, there's always it's there in tell you.
Speaker 4: My problem with those shows is you don't get a
Speaker 4: lot of follow up to see how they're doing really
Speaker 4: and there's always an enabler too. They're always usually like
Speaker 4: married or friends or relatives with someone who's big time enabler.
Speaker 1: Like comes over with donuts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who's like I don't. Also, there is a there
Speaker 4: is a psychological thing. This will be interesting for you,
Speaker 4: Jonah as a mental health counselor there's a psychological thing
Speaker 4: where I think sometimes the enabler person is used to
Speaker 4: like taking care of the other person and doesn't want
Speaker 4: to like change that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because when someone when someone else is going
Speaker 3: through that change, then you have to kind of look
Speaker 3: at yourself and be like, maybe this is something I
Speaker 3: need to change in myself.
Speaker 5: Right, is the enabler, because you know is the enabler?
Speaker 5: I guess what we see in New York as a herb.
Speaker 5: You want a herb? Is a herb is like it's
Speaker 5: like a nerd, but they're not smart.
Speaker 1: They're kind of.
Speaker 5: They just they want to be cool and enable, Like
Speaker 5: I want to be cool with this one thousand pounds
Speaker 5: sister and I know that, you know, she's not supposed
Speaker 5: to have this, but like she'll like me if I
Speaker 5: bring over.
Speaker 1: You know contraband.
Speaker 5: Is it like that or is it somebody like what
Speaker 5: is the character of the enabler?
Speaker 4: I think it's always different, but I think it's and Jonah,
Speaker 4: you can speak to this probably, but I think it's
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like they like the dynamic they're in where
Speaker 4: they're needed by the person and the person needs them,
Speaker 4: and so they want to like keep this kind of
Speaker 4: vicious cycle going. But then sometimes you see it's like
Speaker 4: it's like the person who's going through like the weight
Speaker 4: loss thing, is like you have to get me this
Speaker 4: or I'm going to like throw a fit. Like sometimes
Speaker 4: it's like a behavioral thing that has to change with
Speaker 4: the person, like where the other person's like giving in
Speaker 4: a bunch. It's like with any kind of addict, it's
Speaker 4: like the people around them that sort of like can't
Speaker 4: stand up to them are sort of enabling them but
Speaker 4: don't even realize they're doing it.
Speaker 1: So they are no sort of about it.
Speaker 5: I would say I would say they are herbs in
Speaker 5: that case, because I think they're saying, like, well, our
Speaker 5: friendship is kind of based on this sort of you
Speaker 5: know payment, and I'm nervous our friendship will not survive
Speaker 5: removing this kind of sort of situation that we have
Speaker 5: going on, you know, meaning that they don't have a
Speaker 5: lot of substance besides the actual things that they bring,
Speaker 5: whether it be heroin or whether it be a chili
Speaker 5: cong q.
Speaker 2: Soo right now? Where would you say?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So that's where a herb would come in.
Speaker 4: Like in everyday life, a herb is just you know,
Speaker 4: how do we recognize a herb?
Speaker 3: Like one of your shows, would a herb be like
Speaker 3: a guy comes up as like Simon, I brought you
Speaker 3: some like guitar strings? Can you know like that good voice?
Speaker 1: I think anyone who brings me anything.
Speaker 5: Is a good choice. That's like exactly what herbs sound like.
Speaker 5: I feel like you It's like.
Speaker 2: Whoa who goes to her voice?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at your last show.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to do it based on Jonahs, I was
Speaker 4: at your last show and I wrote down the set
Speaker 4: list and actually think you guys did I actually think
Speaker 4: you guys did a better set list this week than
Speaker 4: you did last on the last tour.
Speaker 1: See that's not a herb, because a herbs more of
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 5: That's more like a German person who was like, you know,
Speaker 5: I saw last time you played was a way better show.
Speaker 5: You looked a lot younger, and I was like, well,
Speaker 5: it's five It was five years ago, so that's how
Speaker 5: fucking time works.
Speaker 1: Fucking you know. And then I thought it was boring.
Speaker 1: It was flasted, it was bloated. You just did not
Speaker 1: enjoy yourselves up there. I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: This sound was terrible, blah blah blah. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: who are you in white? Backstage?
Speaker 3: I think I'd actually just realized that I'm a herb
Speaker 3: because time and last time you guys I saw you
Speaker 3: play us are the Pixies. I like, requested a song
Speaker 3: months in advance, then you played it, and then afterwards
Speaker 3: I till my ust. I was like, oh, they haven't
Speaker 3: played the song and like seven months according to my dad.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a total herb.
Speaker 5: According to Setless FM, You're like, look, see, but I
Speaker 5: think I was just flexing my power. I think I
Speaker 5: was more like, see, would you be a herb if
Speaker 5: you asked me to play this song and I didn't
Speaker 5: play it? Like would you or it is because I
Speaker 5: played it. I enabled you to be a herb.
Speaker 3: I think you enabled me because I actually forgot about
Speaker 3: it because it was so long ago. And then you
Speaker 3: were like, I think it's gonna be that, and I
Speaker 3: was like, it blew my mind. But so I would
Speaker 3: have totally forgot about it. But then I felt like
Speaker 3: a true herb when you played it. But I was
Speaker 3: also like, it was awesome.
Speaker 5: The herb would be a good villain like doctor now
Speaker 5: and the herb yeah, you know what I mean. The
Speaker 5: herb was just I feel like a herb, So Vanessa,
Speaker 5: I feel like a herb is more kind of like
Speaker 5: I think I said this already, like a yes man,
Speaker 5: like a herbs, kind.
Speaker 1: Of like, hey, you guys are like tequila.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, it's eleven am and we have a
Speaker 5: show it all right, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna have
Speaker 5: a little drink, you know, just to get I drink
Speaker 5: all the time. Like, okay, you guys smoke weed. You're like,
Speaker 5: oh you ever heard this band?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: You're a band? You know what I mean? That's kind of.
Speaker 4: Right, right, right, right, right right, Well, just to say
Speaker 4: doctor Now is the opposite of a herb, because if
Speaker 4: you watch that show, they'll be like, He'll be like,
Speaker 4: your goal was to lose thirty Like the people have
Speaker 4: to lose a certain amount of weight before they can
Speaker 4: get gastric bypass surgery, and so he'll be like, your
Speaker 4: goal this month was to lose thirty pounds and you
Speaker 4: gain two pounds. And the person will be like, well,
Speaker 4: I like hurt my ankle, so that's why I did it.
Speaker 4: And he'll be like, so you hurt your ankle, so
Speaker 4: that kept you so that made you eat more food.
Speaker 4: And like he's like really blunt with people, and it's like, hey, doctor,
Speaker 4: now maybe you could be a little more of a
Speaker 4: herb and then.
Speaker 2: These people would, like, you know, take to you a
Speaker 2: little more.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day usually the people
Speaker 4: listen to him and he gets to do the surgery,
Speaker 4: and that rocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think everyone should. I think it's important that
Speaker 1: everybody has a.
Speaker 2: Little herb in him, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or else. You know.
Speaker 5: It basically means like you gotta think at least some
Speaker 5: people are cooler than you. And yeah, now I feel
Speaker 5: like I'm sound like an asshole because you know that
Speaker 5: you don't know you don't think that. But you just
Speaker 5: wanted to hear that song, and I liked I wanted
Speaker 5: to play that song.
Speaker 1: And that's all it was.
Speaker 5: It was a completely normal, non herb related interaction.
Speaker 3: Okay, Because as we were talking about it, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is kind of a description of me, like this moment.
Speaker 5: Okay, if you were a herb, you would have you
Speaker 5: asked an event. If you were a herb, you would
Speaker 5: have the minute you got there said it again, and
Speaker 5: then about like an hour later you would have been like,
Speaker 5: could I.
Speaker 1: See the set list? Is it on there? And then
Speaker 1: right right and then.
Speaker 5: Like right before I went on stage, kind of like
Speaker 5: mouth the name of the song, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: That's Herbie, which.
Speaker 3: It was never ending math equation.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a lot. So what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I didn't. I didn't bring it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I wasn't like, hey, Simon, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, so yeah, but I got to
Speaker 3: use to have voice more. I think it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 2: It's a really good character voice for you.
Speaker 1: John, you could play the herb.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think that there's a room for
Speaker 5: the herb on Doctor from what Vanessa's described, it doesn't
Speaker 5: seem like the type of show I think I went
Speaker 5: with a sort of the idea of it was a
Speaker 5: kind of a Stanley Kubrick villain and not an actual
Speaker 5: reality show with a real doctor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vanessa, you kind of seems like you watch kind
Speaker 3: of a lot of these types of shows. Is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you've if you've seen it, I watched it.
Speaker 4: That's not necessarily true, but I watch a lot of
Speaker 4: weird stuff, and I find there's value in.
Speaker 2: Pretty much all TV except a couple of two three shows.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to name on here. I'm not
Speaker 4: thinking of anything specific.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe the surgery channel is could go.
Speaker 2: I thought there was Court TV.
Speaker 3: What were you going to say, Jonah, I was going
Speaker 3: to say, Vanessa. One thing that's interesting about your TV
Speaker 3: habits and Simon. I don't know if you know anyone
Speaker 3: like this is Vanessa's very strong feelings about commercials. Like
Speaker 3: she'll be like a big hey, Vanessa, how's it going.
Speaker 3: She'll be like, I'm just so this commercial, like the
Speaker 3: song is so annoying. And then I'll be like, Okay, anyways,
Speaker 3: I think we need to work on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Now there's a commercial and I won't say what it's for,
Speaker 4: but Jonah and I were reading this article and I
Speaker 4: sent it to Jonah and this like pop up commercial
Speaker 4: came up of this commercial that I cannot stand, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, isn't this so stupid?
Speaker 4: Like I have a lot of critiques for this commercial,
Speaker 4: and Jonah was like, yeah, I guess so, and I
Speaker 4: was like, look at this guy here, so it sucks,
Speaker 4: and Jonah was just sort of like, yeah, I don't really,
Speaker 4: I'm not really watching the commerce. I'm kind of reading
Speaker 4: the article. And I was like, but it's getting in
Speaker 4: your way and you hate it. But yeah, I have
Speaker 4: really strong feelings about commercials. I think it's because when
Speaker 4: I lived in Chicago, what I would audition for and
Speaker 4: like one of the only things I would get paid
Speaker 4: for was to do commercials. So okay, like the thing
Speaker 4: that sort of kept me afloat was doing commercials. So
Speaker 4: I'm very into that. Like I really feel like I
Speaker 4: know the process backwards and forwards of commercials, and I
Speaker 4: think when commercials are good, they're so good, and then
Speaker 4: when they're bad, I'm like, you guys, you were being lazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's kind of it.
Speaker 5: It triggers you, for lack of a better terms, In
Speaker 5: some ways, it brings you back to a place where
Speaker 5: you maybe not knowing at the time, but now, no, sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm doing your job. Not knowing at the time, but
Speaker 5: I realized that that maybe you weren't happy and you
Speaker 5: and you wish you just said fuck you to everybody,
Speaker 5: and now you can just say fuck you to the TV.
Speaker 4: Well, No, I actually liked doing commercials, but I just
Speaker 4: feel like I was just involved.
Speaker 2: In them a lot more. It was a lot more
Speaker 2: of like what I did. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just I also like home shopping. I like all
Speaker 4: of it. I just feel like there's I'm very critical.
Speaker 3: You like watching TV where they're trying to sell you something?
Speaker 4: Yes, Jonah, remember you and Vicky were watching some weird
Speaker 4: home shopping network and you were asked, there's so many
Speaker 4: ones come on late at night and I love watching those.
Speaker 3: We found one and I wish I remember the name
Speaker 3: where this They could have these these same like four
Speaker 3: people working. This guy would be like the mine is closing,
Speaker 3: and this rubyond this is the last one ever coming
Speaker 3: out of the mine. It's three thousand dollars. We're gonna
Speaker 3: loa the place from three thousand dollars to one hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: The mine was he dressed as a miner. No, no,
Speaker 5: somebody works in a mine. It was so funny.
Speaker 3: He's like, I have these contacts that the mine, the
Speaker 3: mine is closing. This is the only mind that minees
Speaker 3: is like, I mean, it was like incredible, but then
Speaker 3: he kind of said that about everything.
Speaker 4: So right right right right, yeah, I show kind of
Speaker 4: an antique thing like he's trying to sell coal.
Speaker 3: Was he some No, it was like it was like
Speaker 3: these pres stones, but they were all like rubicon or
Speaker 3: like zorbican or like these vary like those.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's a real following for gems too,
Speaker 4: like that's a whole and there is a there are
Speaker 4: I think more than one late night like gem seller,
Speaker 4: either selling jewelry or selling you can just get this
Speaker 4: gem and have it and like this would originally sell
Speaker 4: for fifteen hundred dollars, but we're going to give it
Speaker 4: to you for nine ninety nine if you okay. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And then they have like a thing on the screen
Speaker 4: where it's like this many sold, this many sold, and
Speaker 4: then they'll be like it's gone. Wow, and you just
Speaker 4: don't know what's real unless you're watching QBC or HSN, which.
Speaker 5: So do they do they kind of imply that there's
Speaker 5: any sort of mystical powers of the gems, or they're
Speaker 5: just talking about the actual monitor.
Speaker 3: So they're basically like talking about how valuable they're going
Speaker 3: to be, and like how this is the most incredible
Speaker 3: opportunity you've ever had, and if you blow it then
Speaker 3: you'll never get the chance again.
Speaker 4: Those are the herbs of home shopping, those little channels,
Speaker 4: because real home shopping, as I said, is I think
Speaker 4: UVC and also you know HSN, but like everybody else
Speaker 4: is a herb because they're just like, we have stuff too,
Speaker 4: but you know you can only watch it late at
Speaker 4: night and we're gonna absolutely rip you off.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, so is home shopping it's different
Speaker 5: than infomercials or is it kind of tied into the
Speaker 5: same thing. Are they making up a problem like infomercials
Speaker 5: do for you just like a.
Speaker 4: Big infomercials, I think you've zeroed in on what they
Speaker 4: are is they've made up a problem or zeroed in
Speaker 4: on a problem that they're solving, whereas home shopping you're
Speaker 4: buying everything from you know, a beautiful blouse to a
Speaker 4: little angel figuring that you can display on your mantle
Speaker 4: when all the kids come home over break.
Speaker 5: So it's not somebody like tying his shoes and going like, oh,
Speaker 5: I hate this.
Speaker 2: Once in a while, they'll have that stuff. Once in
Speaker 2: a while, they'll have that stuff.
Speaker 1: Wait.
Speaker 2: Sorry, the guy was tying his shoes and then what
Speaker 2: was his.
Speaker 5: He's like, I hate he kept trying to tie and.
Speaker 2: Then what's the infomercial for Bell Crow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's good. One of my favorite memories
Speaker 3: of early Internet was like those QVC bloopers where I
Speaker 3: would be like climbing a ladder and you fall off
Speaker 3: and it was like for some.
Speaker 2: Reason, knife or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's messing with the katana knife and he's like,
Speaker 3: I got me, got me good, got me good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: It's the best stuff out there.
Speaker 3: I would say, we're going to take a quick break
Speaker 3: and we'll be right back with Simon O'Connor, And we're
Speaker 3: back Simon really quickly before we get into today's topic.
Speaker 3: You were on my old podcast many years ago going
Speaker 3: off track, Yes, and you talked about selling hot dogs
Speaker 3: at Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 5: That right, didn't sell hot dogs. I sold lemonade. I
Speaker 5: started as a mere lemon cutter for the lemonade stand,
Speaker 5: then ended up selling lemonade, cotton candy, and Dippin' dots.
Speaker 5: If you're familiar with Dippin' dots, Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, ice cream of the future. Yeah, now where is
Speaker 4: it today?
Speaker 2: It's the future exactly.
Speaker 5: I think I've seen it. Maybe I've seen sort of,
Speaker 5: I don't know if I've actually seen. I've seen stands,
Speaker 5: but I'm not sure if they're abandoned.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard do you remember how kids would go,
Speaker 4: not to interrupt, how kids would go like, this is
Speaker 4: better than regular ice cream. I'd be like, no, it's not,
Speaker 4: you moron. It just tasted like a bunch of ice like.
Speaker 4: It was so annoying when kids would be like, this
Speaker 4: is actually really good, it's better than ice cream.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the interesting thing. So at Yankee Stadium, Dippin'
Speaker 5: Dots claimed that they are kosher, right, unlike the other
Speaker 5: ice so the Kosher Ice Crew, and that's not true.
Speaker 5: Nothing at Yankee stating with kosher.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but what was a little inside it?
Speaker 5: But like you know, it's like I remember sometimes the
Speaker 5: kind of the hasidic newspaper would come by and like
Speaker 5: do a little check, and I remember having to uh walking,
Speaker 5: you know, walking because you know, it was a huge
Speaker 5: stity of many different stands, and at that point I
Speaker 5: was a manager and like watching these acidic guys sort
Speaker 5: of grill these like nineteen year old pat Rican kids
Speaker 5: from the Bronx about if they washed the scoops that
Speaker 5: go into sort of the sorbet in a different sink
Speaker 5: then and right, and they're like no, and I was
Speaker 5: like no, say yes, you know what I mean, yes, yes,
Speaker 5: And I remember like just and I was like as
Speaker 5: soon as I saw that happening, I would kind of
Speaker 5: run up to all the other stands like a bunch
Speaker 5: of guys in suits beards. They're going to ask you,
Speaker 5: but scoops, you watch these different sink. Then then they're
Speaker 5: like okay, okay, So I think that dippin' dots may
Speaker 5: be found their angle by uh, I guess it could
Speaker 5: be co sure if it was if they were gave
Speaker 5: us instructions and what that meant or gave the but
Speaker 5: uh maybe that was their sort of angle to why
Speaker 5: some people would choose that over the other.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I think if it has to be blessed
Speaker 4: or something by a rabbi, and then also you can't
Speaker 4: mix milk and meat, but I think it can be
Speaker 4: dairy as long as it's.
Speaker 1: What I've just told you.
Speaker 5: I learned at that exact moment in the story that
Speaker 5: I've told, Like, I knew about the you know, it
Speaker 5: being blessed by a rabbi, but I didn't know about
Speaker 5: this sort of washing protocol.
Speaker 2: Oh right, okay, okay, heard them ask.
Speaker 1: So it's based entirely on that. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the protocol is. It can't yeah, right,
Speaker 4: it can't go with dishes for non kosher things.
Speaker 3: I think it can't touch stuff that's touched non kosher stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean, meanwhile, everything was just thrown into like a
Speaker 5: gigantic sort of vat where like hot dog juice was
Speaker 5: poured on it like that. Right.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, if you're if you have specific
Speaker 4: diye terry restrictions like that, and you're going to Yankee Stadium,
Speaker 4: probably the safest thing to do is bring your own.
Speaker 3: What was your what was your favorite thing to sell?
Speaker 3: The Dippin' dots, lemonade or the I forgot the other thing.
Speaker 5: I liked making cotton candy, and I would do that
Speaker 5: for a while. And then when you make cotton candy
Speaker 5: sometimes because it's so light that it would just sort
Speaker 5: of like little clouds of sugar would kind of fly
Speaker 5: through the air and I would suck them up, which
Speaker 5: grossed everybody out, but I just thought it was amazing.
Speaker 5: I felt like I was in space, you know, just
Speaker 5: like food literally is flying by and I go right
Speaker 5: there and people were like, can you fucking stop really
Speaker 5: putting me off? But uh, I think I like selling Dippin'
Speaker 5: dots because I liked saying ice cream of the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, you know, so you know you
Speaker 3: were I know you spent a lot of time on
Speaker 3: Saint Mark's. You remember that that Japanese restaurant that had
Speaker 3: the ice the cotton candy machine outside. I think with
Speaker 3: maybe Kanka, that you could make your own at the
Speaker 3: end of the meal. Wasn't that was a cool? It's
Speaker 3: still there.
Speaker 5: And then that's kind of where I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: walking down to Saint Mark's and like check this out
Speaker 5: and just fucking watching all these people.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, how do you do this? Make I
Speaker 1: just make the perfect little.
Speaker 3: Con Oh yeah, you must have been so good. I
Speaker 3: almost always know how to do it. Yeah, they would
Speaker 3: that suggest to tell you. They would give you like
Speaker 3: a little cup at the end of the meal with
Speaker 3: like this like powdery stuff in it, and then they
Speaker 3: had like a big machine outside and then you would
Speaker 3: kind of poured poured in it with a stick and
Speaker 3: kind of like twirl it around and you could like
Speaker 3: kind of make your own cotton candy.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Was it not there anymore when I lived there?
Speaker 3: I think it's probably still there. Were you, like as
Speaker 3: a young punk in NYC? Were you hanging on Saint
Speaker 3: Mark's a lot, just like talking about you know, cross
Speaker 3: punk and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, well that's.
Speaker 2: That was you were just act like acted like such
Speaker 2: a herb.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say the same thing.
Speaker 3: I was just like back in the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, hey, Vanessa, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 5: I can't deal with fucking herb?
Speaker 1: Yes I did. I did. I did talk about crust
Speaker 1: punk Jonah.
Speaker 3: Any other questions, I'm going to sign off.
Speaker 5: Did you did you go to punk shows?
Speaker 4: What were some of your favorite venues, because there's like
Speaker 4: a lot of venues that I like, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of the clash? But yeah, I
Speaker 5: would go to Saint Mark's too, you know, because that's
Speaker 5: where I would see people who had mohawks and then
Speaker 5: stand around them like a herb, and and then eventually
Speaker 5: like laugh at something they said, you know, and move
Speaker 5: two inches towards them, laugh at another thing they said,
Speaker 5: and then you know, after a good year of doing that,
Speaker 5: I was in.
Speaker 3: Nice incredible well, speaking of that our topic today, Sony
Speaker 3: Diskman something that you haven't come in general.
Speaker 1: We're not brand brand, no brand.
Speaker 3: We're not. Yeah, just disman in general. Although the Discman
Speaker 3: is like a Sony thing, like I guess it's like
Speaker 3: a portable CD player.
Speaker 1: Maybe they invented it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they invented the Discman, like the that's like a
Speaker 3: Sony thing.
Speaker 5: Did they invent the Walkman too, because I feel like
Speaker 5: Sony Walkman is a thing I think they did.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think they did. I think I think they
Speaker 3: cornered both of those markets.
Speaker 1: Those bastards. They've done it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get a discman now, or you can
Speaker 3: get a portable CD player by like costs now or something.
Speaker 3: But you're not getting a Sony Discman.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Koby?
Speaker 5: Like you could buy a Kobe Discman at like Bodega's.
Speaker 5: I mean, this might be a very new you know,
Speaker 5: which is kind of like it looked exactly like the
Speaker 5: Sony logo but didn't say the same thing, and they
Speaker 5: were very cheap.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But what was your what was your relationship
Speaker 3: with this? Why did you kind of what makes you
Speaker 3: feel nostalgic about the portable CD player?
Speaker 5: Well, when we first talked about, I just thought about
Speaker 5: something that kind of, uh, something in my in my
Speaker 5: past that I at a certain time in my life
Speaker 5: I absolutely depended on that. When I think back on
Speaker 5: it was a pretty ridiculous kind of invention in a
Speaker 5: sense that like you kind of had to really and
Speaker 5: less so unless you had one of those like you know,
Speaker 5: the shock Wave Sports.
Speaker 1: Discman, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: They kind of like they have like you know, close
Speaker 5: close them like tupperware, Like they have those little bitch
Speaker 5: latches on them, and they can actually like you can
Speaker 5: put the disc man in your backpack and walk and
Speaker 5: you could actually hear a song without constant skipping. But
Speaker 5: like every other discman like you kind of like had
Speaker 5: to hold it like a pizza, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: like walk slowly or like or like a tray full
Speaker 5: of martinis, like you know what I mean. And it
Speaker 5: was like this is and like walk slowly or else
Speaker 5: you just like you'll hear like.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like maybe they'd have a
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 5: From my experience, and also like obviously see these themselves
Speaker 5: were so easily damaged like that on top of the
Speaker 5: kind of delicacy of the discman itself made the sort
Speaker 5: of like my four and of years of music listening
Speaker 5: kind of bizarre and unique for people who I think,
Speaker 5: I think we're all around the same age, you know,
Speaker 5: Like I think that, like I consider junior high in
Speaker 5: high school my discmand days. And then I think when
Speaker 5: I went to college, the iPod was around ish.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know right away.
Speaker 5: I feel like maybe I got on in two thousand
Speaker 5: I went to I went to college in two thousand
Speaker 5: and one. I feel like I got one in two
Speaker 5: thousand and three. But maybe I just I think i'd
Speaker 5: say I got when somebody asked me when I did something,
Speaker 5: I always say two thousand and three for some reason.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's necessarily true. I just choose that year,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I just find like it was it was
Speaker 5: such a kind of like it was better than the
Speaker 5: Walkman because it was a CD. But when you actually
Speaker 5: think about and how sort of like unwieldy and disruptive
Speaker 5: it is versus like a Walkman, it's kind of like
Speaker 5: almost seemed like a bit of a mistake invention in
Speaker 5: some ways.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the anti skip technology was super important
Speaker 3: because I think it would actually like read what was
Speaker 3: ahead and like memorize it and then play that back.
Speaker 3: But one thing I remember about CDs are You're right.
Speaker 3: They would get scratched really easily, but then you would
Speaker 3: listen to them over and over and then the scratch
Speaker 3: almost became part of your like understanding of the song,
Speaker 3: and then when you heard it without the scratch, you're like,
Speaker 3: what is happening here?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 5: In fact, it's like I was thinking about this the
Speaker 5: other day, Like there were albums that I loved that
Speaker 5: like I don't know if I've ever heard the second
Speaker 5: song because it was scratched, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like I just would just kind of and I have
Speaker 5: to skip it until until the advent of you know, streaming,
Speaker 5: like for real. There's definitely a few records like that.
Speaker 5: I also would carry in my backpack, like I didn't know,
Speaker 5: it's just actual see, like in their jewel cases, not
Speaker 5: like one of the case logics because like so they
Speaker 5: were constantly like falling out of the cradle and just
Speaker 5: like getting just fucked up beyond you know, and you
Speaker 5: repair and like.
Speaker 1: But I was just I would just deal with it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, like so back to the story you told,
Speaker 5: do you remember what type of Discman you.
Speaker 1: Sold and then stole?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think it was a pretty early one because we
Speaker 4: were pretty young, so I don't think Discman had been
Speaker 4: out for that long, but I feel like I do remember.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was on that one or
Speaker 4: some later ones. There was like always there was like
Speaker 4: a skip protection thing, but it didn't really work.
Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, what color was it?
Speaker 2: It was grey?
Speaker 3: I think it was black. It was gray?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, all right, So the one so like
Speaker 5: for my eighth grade graduation, my parents got me the
Speaker 5: shot the Sony Shockwave like sports thing which was.
Speaker 2: Yellow and it was a CD.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a disco yeah, and it was like
Speaker 5: you could kind of like maybe making this up. But
Speaker 5: I feel like in the commercials, it's like a snowboarder
Speaker 5: falling with one or like you know, yeah, like like
Speaker 5: a BMX rider like kind of doing a flip of one,
Speaker 5: and like that was the thing. You could drop it
Speaker 5: and it wouldn't skip. But I had that for about
Speaker 5: a month, like it's between eighth grade and ninth grade.
Speaker 5: And then when I went to ninth grade, I started
Speaker 5: to take the train to school, and I think I
Speaker 5: had it for about a month before I got robbed
Speaker 5: and it was stolen because yeah, well I think it
Speaker 5: was like because it was an expensive one. I don't
Speaker 5: know how I really when you said seventy five dollars.
Speaker 5: I think it's also like a lot of this happened
Speaker 5: in my These are the days when things were bought
Speaker 5: for me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, before you're at the stadium, so the cotton.
Speaker 1: Camp, exactly before I was making that money. Yeah, cotton
Speaker 1: came money, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And so like but I think that like you know,
Speaker 5: in if you were a robber, a mugger, like you know,
Speaker 5: young teenagers are like the perfect target and I would
Speaker 5: get robbed a lot, but like, sure, I think that
Speaker 5: like having those yellow and they also do the yellow
Speaker 5: headphones which also had that like the shockwave thing also
Speaker 5: made them vibrate.
Speaker 1: Do you I don't know if you ever had this?
Speaker 5: This is this is this, this is something because you
Speaker 5: know how you think that everybody has experienced every single
Speaker 5: little thing that you experienced as a child, and then
Speaker 5: you realize that no, okay, so maybe it's but like
Speaker 5: this sort of like you know when the kick drum
Speaker 5: or the bass would go and it would vibrate, which
Speaker 5: I've actually made my ears really itchy, you know, But
Speaker 5: I think that like if somebody would see like the
Speaker 5: yellow headphones, they would know that, like I had one
Speaker 5: of the sort of expensive yeah right, and they're like,
Speaker 5: well that's good because you know rob a young teenager,
Speaker 5: like is it kind of a crapshoot? Like what do
Speaker 5: they have like four dollars on them? And like yo
Speaker 5: yo or maybe their math homework? Yeah exactly exactly. But
Speaker 5: you see that those yellow headphones a little yellow wire,
Speaker 5: you know that, like there's a there's a right, you know,
Speaker 5: a discman and like which makes me think, now, like
Speaker 5: since if you assume I wonder if like people are
Speaker 5: getting robbed more because it's now you see a teenager
Speaker 5: and you're like, well, they have a you know, five
Speaker 5: hundred dollars little computer.
Speaker 1: In their pocket. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Right, if you just there's something of value that I
Speaker 5: could get from this, like risky, you know.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like logistically harder, right because if
Speaker 3: you like take someone's phone, then they can lock it
Speaker 3: and that it's kind of useless, right, Like I think
Speaker 3: the technology also makes it more, right, difficult to do
Speaker 3: that stuff, which is good.
Speaker 5: Right, But if you're kind of let's say the person
Speaker 5: you rob is a herb, right, and you're just kind
Speaker 5: of like you tell anyone, I'll fucking kick your ass.
Speaker 3: Simon, I really like float On exactly.
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to plave it? Now? I mean
Speaker 1: I don't do you like this song? I don't like?
Speaker 1: I like this song? You like? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't like this song.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Like, but you know, if you put this
Speaker 5: sort of like if the robbers are familiar, which they
Speaker 5: were with me, there was like I knew everybody who
Speaker 5: was mugging me. They would just wait outside my train station.
Speaker 5: In fact, one of them was at my sixth birthday
Speaker 5: party and so like they could kind of like if
Speaker 5: I knew I would see them again. Yeah, I was
Speaker 5: about to say his name, but.
Speaker 2: What was his relationship to you?
Speaker 5: We were friends, we liked the Ninja Turtles, and then
Speaker 5: we became teenagers and he decided to rob me with
Speaker 5: his friends every day. Okay, okay, kind of yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean I think we went to the same school and
Speaker 5: then we didn't. But he wasn't him who still a
Speaker 5: disc man? It was it was actually like the robbing
Speaker 5: of the Shockwave Discman was like took about forty five minutes,
Speaker 5: and it was all on trains. It was like the
Speaker 5: French connection, you know what I mean? You know it
Speaker 5: saying like I was just like running through cars going
Speaker 5: taking different trains and they would get on and I
Speaker 5: would see them. I would go through the doors and
Speaker 5: go like this, and then finally it was like it's
Speaker 5: my stop, and then they got out my stop and
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, hi, guys, doing you know?
Speaker 5: But yeah, like I don't know, I feel like, man,
Speaker 5: knowing the people who rob you is maybe it's better.
Speaker 2: It might be a little less scary, little less.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because if I was more of a herb, and
Speaker 5: I was a herb, but I could be like about
Speaker 5: to say his name again. I'm going to say his
Speaker 5: first name, Jeffrey. That's his first name. Okay, Like I
Speaker 5: know your mom, you know what I mean, Like I'm
Speaker 5: going to tell your mom, And I know even scary
Speaker 5: muggers don't want to be schooled by their mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But but I was in the fine line where
Speaker 5: I wasn't herb be enough to tattle, but I also
Speaker 5: was herb enough to be a completely easy target who
Speaker 5: people had a great time and a lot of fun
Speaker 5: taking my stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I just was thinking about my early CDs while you
Speaker 3: start talking about that, because I was going to make
Speaker 3: a reference to it, and I realized I just got
Speaker 3: a joke from nineteen ninety two, like in the last
Speaker 3: two month, and it's Vanessa, do you know what a
Speaker 3: B side is? Is it?
Speaker 2: Uh? What is it?
Speaker 3: It's kind of like if there's a single, it's kind
Speaker 3: of like the other song, like if you were to
Speaker 3: forty five that like the extra song they put on.
Speaker 3: Is that how you define it, Simon.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's yes, yeah, exactly, it's the song it's not
Speaker 5: as good as the other one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but sometimes it's better. Skid Row in nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 3: Sorry to bring it back to Sebastian Bach and Co.
Speaker 3: But skid Row nineteen ninety two released a B side
Speaker 3: collection called B Side Ourselves Wow, And I just got
Speaker 3: the joke, like I was like, beside ourselves, Oh, beside
Speaker 3: ourselves the Masters Wow. And they cover the Ramones on it,
Speaker 3: which also seems totally bizarre.
Speaker 1: I bet that was a fabulous version of.
Speaker 5: Psychotherapy And that's why you do what you do now.
Speaker 1: Because of the cover of specifically.
Speaker 3: How did you get into this well? In the nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety two skid Row covered the song psychotherapy, and I thought, Eh,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go back to school in thirty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you were real herb, you'd be like, skid
Speaker 5: Row wrote this song cause psychotherapy. And then you're like,
Speaker 5: there is awesome skid Row song. Like they're kind of
Speaker 5: like kind of punk, like I don't know if you
Speaker 5: really know, like Sebastian Bach like, well, that's a really
Speaker 5: funny joke they made.
Speaker 3: He's funny.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Do you think that they when they
Speaker 2: covered it, The Ramones thought they were herbs, like they
Speaker 2: were like, oh, here comes Sebastian back. He's a total herb.
Speaker 3: Probably, I don't know, I would imagine. What do you think, Simon?
Speaker 5: I think one hundred percent. So yeah, so this is
Speaker 5: not this is not directly Ramones related, but it's like
Speaker 5: it's it's it's it's kind of you know, adjacent where
Speaker 5: I was in Japan playing a festival and I saw
Speaker 5: Captain Sensible from The Damned and he started talking to me.
Speaker 5: He liked them GMT were talking, and then Michael Monroe
Speaker 5: from Hanoi Rocks. You know who is gonna be the
Speaker 5: reason Sebastian Bach, you know he's.
Speaker 1: Doing this, you know, the reason guns and Roses exist.
Speaker 5: And like Maley Krugs, they were like the first, right,
Speaker 5: And I was kind of like, don't love their music,
Speaker 5: but like if you're the first, godspeed right. So like
Speaker 5: he's like I was seeing a picture with Captain Sensible
Speaker 5: and and I just see like this guy, you know,
Speaker 5: and he looks like the Quintess. He looks like he's
Speaker 5: playing a aging rock and roller in a movie, like
Speaker 5: he's full on. Just kind of like nothing's really fitting
Speaker 5: very well. The eyeshadow is terrible like blah blah blah,
Speaker 5: and he's like, you guys taking a picture and then
Speaker 5: Captain Sensible goes, oh bollocks, here he comes again, Hello Michael.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh my god, like Michael monrosa herb.
Speaker 5: He's like, what's up, Captain? Who's this guy? Do you
Speaker 5: mind if I get into your picture? And he's like fine,
Speaker 5: just you know, and like I have It's on my Instagram.
Speaker 5: It's a fucking picture of Captain says well, Michael Monroe.
Speaker 5: But he just kept like annoying the damn and I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is a herb from the seventies, Like this guy
Speaker 5: has been annoying the damned for close to fifty years.
Speaker 1: And he's like, hairy comes. He literally said hairy comes.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Like Simon, what's the difference. How do you describe a
Speaker 3: difference between a herb and a punisher?
Speaker 5: Okay, no, all right, So a herb can be a
Speaker 5: punisher and a punisher can be a herb.
Speaker 1: So that doesn't work.
Speaker 5: But sometimes a punisher, I think it's the punisher is
Speaker 5: like trying to get information because they're obsessed for the
Speaker 5: most part, Like that style of punisher and they're also
Speaker 5: not behaving in a way that could be construed as
Speaker 5: kind of it's wave or cool, because they're just punishing
Speaker 5: you with questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it depends.
Speaker 5: I think it's just like all about what you are
Speaker 5: being punished about, or what one is being punished about,
Speaker 5: Like if there's sort of like interesting questions and facts,
Speaker 5: or if they're just kind.
Speaker 1: Of like, hey, you know, so what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing have to show? Oh? Man, like
Speaker 1: you should go what's your favorite part? Like, but if they're.
Speaker 5: Punishing you in a way that they want to hang
Speaker 5: out with you or something like that, it's more on
Speaker 5: the herb side. But that they're like asking about, you know,
Speaker 5: where something was recorded or like what you know, how
Speaker 5: did you get this? Sound like it's sort of like
Speaker 5: interesting sort of technical questions. But I don't think they're
Speaker 5: doing if I don't think the intention is to make
Speaker 5: the person they are punishing like them. The intention is
Speaker 5: to actually they're really desperately curious about the information that
Speaker 5: they're punishing one about. That's not necessarily a herb. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but like if they're punishing someone to make the person
Speaker 5: like them, then they're a herb. But that's a very
Speaker 5: good question.
Speaker 2: I don't think I knew before this what a punisher is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, punisher someone who kind of asks a lot of
Speaker 3: questions like kind of but I think it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: being a music journal is, like, you know, such a
Speaker 3: myself is like a great front for like a punisher,
Speaker 3: cause it's like you gets kind of legitimized because like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm writing this article, so I have to ask you
Speaker 3: all these really in depth questions about this stuff. But
Speaker 3: it's sort of like you know your way in a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's like I think that sometimes I enjoy punishers. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but then there's like, but you can also be punished.
Speaker 5: But okay, punisher doesn't only mean question asking, Am I right?
Speaker 5: Like I think punishing could also be sort of like
Speaker 5: incessantly going on and on about like yeah yourself, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like yeah, oh, you know, I
Speaker 5: just so I get basically, you know, I got like
Speaker 5: a you know, I'm between jobs at the moment, but
Speaker 5: you know what, like just like it's just this sort
Speaker 5: of kind of like they won't tell and everything you say,
Speaker 5: like you could literally say it doesn't matter because they're
Speaker 5: just here. Like I just so you know what, Like
Speaker 5: I'm like, honestly, like, so what, like I can fucking
Speaker 5: do what I want to work and they have a
Speaker 5: fucking problem with it. Fuck you, right, dude, I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: it's like it doesn't matter. So what, Like I know,
Speaker 5: like I can't drive anymore because I fucking crashed into
Speaker 5: somebody when I was wasted. And that's fucking cool, right,
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, like, you know, that's kind of that's
Speaker 5: like a herd punisher.
Speaker 3: I love that your example, someone punish someone who opens
Speaker 3: with between jobs.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, I think that punishers don't don't last long
Speaker 5: at workplaces.
Speaker 4: They're like a little they're like, right, that's probably like
Speaker 4: an event diagram of punishers.
Speaker 2: Probably a lot of them are unemployed.
Speaker 4: They're like because they're like that's how they even when they're.
Speaker 3: A world their boss or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or they were just so annoying to work, but
Speaker 4: they were like, oh man, last night, like I stayed
Speaker 4: up so late, Like I just like, you know, my
Speaker 4: roommate works at this restaurant and she's able to bring
Speaker 4: home like all the extra food and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: and and actually some of the booze, which is really cool.
Speaker 2: It's like really expensive stuff.
Speaker 4: It's like I guess it's like top shelf stuff for
Speaker 4: like the shelf below it. But anyway, like she brings
Speaker 4: it all home like they she's not technically allowed to,
Speaker 4: but like what are they gonna say?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: They need her to work there, so like I just
Speaker 4: I absolutely down like all this liquor like again like
Speaker 4: really either a top shell for the one under it,
Speaker 4: and I had like steak and like lobster and stuff
Speaker 4: like it was so cool and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get fired.
Speaker 5: I'm a punisher herb, so between jobs and then I
Speaker 5: think another punisher herb kind of like catchphrase is women
Speaker 5: are fucking crazy, dude, Like whatever comes after that is
Speaker 5: this gonna be?
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't want to hear what you're about
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 5: Like like seriously, dude, chicks are crazy, Like I literally
Speaker 5: have never fucking not dated a fucking crazy girl. Like
Speaker 5: they're fucking crazy, Like it's like last one. I also,
Speaker 5: I can't be tamed.
Speaker 4: I don't want to actually go or there or I
Speaker 4: think there's another version that's like says all the things
Speaker 4: all the time. It goes like oh my god, like
Speaker 4: I just like I'm such a stick for like I
Speaker 4: love spa treatments, I love shopping, like I love all
Speaker 4: the things, like all the girly things, like I just
Speaker 4: love like.
Speaker 5: Yes, but that that so that type of punisher is
Speaker 5: like the person sitting next to you on a plane, right,
Speaker 5: and they're like, huh boeing, Okay, don't I wonder what
Speaker 5: movies should I watch? What are you watching? I shut
Speaker 5: the fuck up? Like Los Angeles, it's warm there. Do
Speaker 5: you know what the weather is? I'm like, fucking no,
Speaker 5: I don't know, yes, but fuck you, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? Like that's sort of that punisher. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: you're harmless, you know, right, right right, you're harmless, but
Speaker 5: like shut out, like maybe like you know, an uber
Speaker 5: driver could be a punisher in that sense, and like
Speaker 5: these people, I mean, this is also my fucking East
Speaker 5: Coast asshole shit where I don't I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like being.
Speaker 5: Spoken to at all, and I don't and I don't
Speaker 5: like any interaction to take more than you know, twenty
Speaker 5: five seconds at the most.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like that's sort of like.
Speaker 5: Banal, harmless, possibly lonely punissure. Yeah, it's irritating, but you
Speaker 5: also kind of like, well, you know, how long's left
Speaker 5: in the you know, flight five and a half hours.
Speaker 3: I believe that the gen Z phrase for this would
Speaker 3: respond to this by saying, read the room.
Speaker 2: Yes, right right right, oh good.
Speaker 5: Most of the stuff that gen Z say I don't understand,
Speaker 5: but that I get.
Speaker 3: I learned the funniest thing about gen Z the other day.
Speaker 3: I ready texted Veness about it. Oh yeah, someone posted,
Speaker 3: you know, uh, Tracy Chapman just performed at the Grammys,
Speaker 3: and someone gen Z person posted all this stuff like
Speaker 3: Tracy Chapman, who is this? Like I did a deep
Speaker 3: dive and this like unknown artist that was like performed
Speaker 3: at the Grammys. And then it was like basically just
Speaker 3: took all the stuff off Wikipedia and like was like,
Speaker 3: you know, acted they're expert. And then someone responded with
Speaker 3: this meme about how gen Z they call them the
Speaker 3: Christopher Columbus generation because I think they just everything right.
Speaker 5: Well, that's so that's kind of the new breed of herbs. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like if someone's playing the Grammys, you probably didn't discover
Speaker 5: and I'm just gonna.
Speaker 3: Say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Like you know that this is there are people in
Speaker 5: the audience like this isn't just other people can see
Speaker 5: this too, Like this is just something you didn't do
Speaker 5: a fucking YouTube search and like find this, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I know. It's yeah, it's it's incredible. Like wait
Speaker 3: till they find this, like yeah, wait till they find
Speaker 3: yeah anything, I mean yeah, but it's so it's such
Speaker 3: a funny phrase to me.
Speaker 2: That's such a funny phrase.
Speaker 4: And I will say I watched the Tracy Chapman Luke
Speaker 4: Combe's performance on the Grammys.
Speaker 2: It was so great.
Speaker 4: And then I went back and watched her nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: nine performance at the Grammys, which is like incredible. It's
Speaker 4: so crazy to see her like singing that song. And
Speaker 4: I will say, now, given this conversation that we've been having,
Speaker 4: the whole audience seems like Herbs because she's she's.
Speaker 2: Like absolutely killing it.
Speaker 4: She's like this young like she's she's just like so
Speaker 4: it's so emotional whatever, and the audience looks like they
Speaker 4: like cannot keep up, like they're just like trying to
Speaker 4: like clap and stuff, and like they're they're absolutely trying
Speaker 4: to hide that they're Herbs.
Speaker 1: Right the Trump Dance, They're just.
Speaker 4: Like they're just she like puts everybody in the audience
Speaker 4: to shame, and it's basically like it's not on purpose,
Speaker 4: but she basically like turns them onto herbs in like
Speaker 4: no time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when when When when you're the coolest person in
Speaker 5: a gigantic room like Tracy Chapman, Like that must be
Speaker 5: pretty rad. Yeah, like monicles are falling into champagne flutes
Speaker 5: and shit. Like I would say, you put fucking fast
Speaker 5: car in a commercial and I'm buying whatever that is.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I will wipe the tears out of my
Speaker 5: eyes after the commercial is done and go to you know,
Speaker 5: whatever store or whatever and just buy whatever products they're selling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, although like even all of this fast Car, you know,
Speaker 4: they were saying, I read something that the that fast
Speaker 4: Car has been like downloaded so much since the Grammys too,
Speaker 4: like they're you know, the original obviously Tracy Chapman version
Speaker 4: has been downloaded so much. And I guess I would
Speaker 4: be a little disheartened if all of a sudden, like
Speaker 4: it was in a commercial. Yes, okay, but then I'd
Speaker 4: also be like, good for Tracy Chapman. Everybody else gets
Speaker 4: to cash in.
Speaker 2: Why doesn't she?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think younger me would almost be
Speaker 5: like oh, like oh, people like Tracy Chapman now were like,
Speaker 5: you know whatever, Like I liked her first and like, no,
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think she sucks and I will. But now as
Speaker 1: a kind.
Speaker 5: Of a a a grown up quote unquote, yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: I think I'm just if she's getting money from a
Speaker 5: commercial with fast Car, if she's playing the Grammys and
Speaker 5: people are downloading her ship, I'm take my ego out
Speaker 5: of it, you know, yes, good for good for TC.
Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 4: back with these herbs, right and we're back, Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: if anyone else has anymore Herbie questions to ask, We're
Speaker 4: going to play a game.
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that cool?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: But does anyone else feeling like feeling like the sort
Speaker 5: of her the herb theme has has made them a
Speaker 5: little bit self conscious about the questions and things you're saying.
Speaker 1: That sure has with me.
Speaker 5: I'm like everything that kind of goes into my brain
Speaker 5: and on the process of coming out of my mouth,
Speaker 5: I'm like, what I sem like a herb? I fucking
Speaker 5: saying this and like will this continue after the podcast?
Speaker 5: Like is this going to be like the rest of
Speaker 5: our week or my week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just during the course of this podcast, I've realized
Speaker 3: I was a herb in front of you, Simon Fine,
Speaker 3: you know so I'm just realizing, Yeah, this has been
Speaker 3: a real reality check for me.
Speaker 4: Whenever you guys stop to talk about or whenever we're
Speaker 4: ever doing a podcast in Jonah is talking to the
Speaker 4: guest about like any kind of music thing, I just
Speaker 4: sit there like a herb because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: you're like and remember you did this tour and like
Speaker 4: or you'll be like in an amp when it has
Speaker 4: this kind of sound, it sounds so much better than
Speaker 4: this sound.
Speaker 2: And I'm always like, I'll just sit back being a herb.
Speaker 5: I feel like sitting back is not herbie. If you
Speaker 5: like interjected, like, if you told me that you were
Speaker 5: at that Tracy Chapman show, then that's kind of a
Speaker 5: you're like, oh Beatles saw m in sixty five, you know,
Speaker 5: right right?
Speaker 4: I mean I did see Tracy Chapman once at the
Speaker 4: Beacon Theater. Really yeah, so but I feel like it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of a herb move.
Speaker 1: You didn't bring it up, though, you.
Speaker 3: Not bringing it up is actually an anti herb move.
Speaker 1: Thing.
Speaker 5: That's happened in the last hour. Yeah, that's fucking name man.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of her herbs, you have good segue. Thank you.
Speaker 3: We have a new segment today. It's called Congratulations you
Speaker 3: bake yourself.
Speaker 2: Congratulations you baked yourself.
Speaker 3: In this game, we'll discuss three culinary dishes that are
Speaker 3: making a comeback. And the rules are a little unclear
Speaker 3: of this game. It's a little bit of a works
Speaker 3: in progress. But we'll pick which one of these three
Speaker 3: dishes we're most excited about, and that will be the
Speaker 3: issue that has baked itself, the dish that has baked.
Speaker 3: The dish has baked itself. So we had we have
Speaker 3: another segment called congratulations you played yourself. This is congratulations
Speaker 3: you baked yourself.
Speaker 1: So baked is good or bad?
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 4: In the other game, the other game, it's bad, it's bad,
Speaker 4: but in this.
Speaker 2: One it's actually good.
Speaker 4: It's because these these are all in the other game,
Speaker 4: it's sort of the opposites, like things are going anyway.
Speaker 4: The point is this game, these dishes are making a comeback,
Speaker 4: and the one that we like the most baked itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, but we don't pick that till the end.
Speaker 4: So just we'll just discuss these three and then we'll
Speaker 4: pick at the end. Jonah, I can read this first one.
Speaker 3: Sure, let's kick yeah, why don't kick us off?
Speaker 4: The first dish that's coming back is strawberry pretzel salad.
Speaker 4: And this article says some recipes just never go out
Speaker 4: of style, and this strawberry pretzel salad is one dish
Speaker 4: that tastes popular for a good reason, perfect for potlux,
Speaker 4: and practically required at picnics. Actually have been to a
Speaker 4: lot of picnics, I've never seen it. This dessert recipe
Speaker 4: is simple to make and hard to get wrong. There
Speaker 4: are layers of salty pretzels, whipped cream, cheese, and bright
Speaker 4: strawberries suspended in gelatin, all topped off with lightly sweetened
Speaker 4: sound sorry, with lightly sweetened sour cream and toasted pecans.
Speaker 4: Most likely created along with the wave of jello salads
Speaker 4: popular in the nineteen sixties. It's a simple, classic dish
Speaker 4: that just so happens to be an explosion of flavor
Speaker 4: and texture.
Speaker 3: Wow, Simon, what are your thoughts on strawberry strawberry pretzel salad.
Speaker 5: I've never heard of it before. From the description, I
Speaker 5: find it very confusing a bit unwieldy. I feel like
Speaker 5: it's sort of a I might be completely leaving something out,
Speaker 5: but I'm not sure how I've feel about food where
Speaker 5: every bite is wildly different, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 5: like especially different textures, Like it seems like a tooth breaker.
Speaker 1: You got what what were the nuts in there?
Speaker 2: Pecans? And yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, So I don't say my answer right now
Speaker 5: or because there's gonna be two more dishes described correct exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vanessa, what do you think of this one?
Speaker 4: I am surprised by how much the author is like,
Speaker 4: of course you know about this one, like we're so
Speaker 4: happy this is coming back.
Speaker 2: Like strawberry pretzels sound right?
Speaker 4: I The idea of pretzels and cream cheese and gelatin
Speaker 4: sounds like pretty gross to me, But I actually bet
Speaker 4: this is pretty good. So I'm going to reserve judgment
Speaker 4: until I hear the other.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of something that that a child would make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: It seems like they threw everything together.
Speaker 5: Like I like these things and I'm going to put
Speaker 5: them all in a bowl and give them to mommy.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, and then your mom would go,
Speaker 4: this is this is really good, Simon, thank you for
Speaker 4: making this for me, And then like when you left
Speaker 4: the room, she'd be like, that's going in the trash
Speaker 4: at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: Never get back.
Speaker 1: She'd take one bite and smile and then yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, I guess my kid's a herb. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree. They act like it's such a well known thing, like, oh,
Speaker 3: he made some strawberry pretzels, sound like, oh, actually I
Speaker 3: had some last night, but I guess I could have more.
Speaker 1: It seems very church groupie.
Speaker 4: Now I want to give a little disclaimer. This article
Speaker 4: is from Southern Living, so that might have something to
Speaker 4: do with why we haven't heard of strawberry. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And speaking of which, our next dish, this is a
Speaker 3: very fancy sounding dish.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's from Northern Living.
Speaker 3: It's steak Diane.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Steak Diane usually refers to a pant siered steak dish
Speaker 3: as cooked in butter and finished with the flompayed cream
Speaker 3: and cognac sauce. Some recipes ease strip steaks, but we
Speaker 3: prefer tender beef filets or beef tender loin medallions. Likewise,
Speaker 3: some sauces are beefed up with mushrooms, other skip them.
Speaker 3: The Diane in the recipe refers to the pant sauce
Speaker 3: and how it's made with mustard cream, Worcester and flombay.
Speaker 3: Cognac basing the steaks and butter really ensures the steak
Speaker 3: wi a flavorful and beefy saltiness. They can trast beautifully
Speaker 3: with the cognac notes of the sauce. Flombang is quick,
Speaker 3: safe and easy. But if you don't have ventilation, simply
Speaker 3: a makea step or allow the alcohol to cook off
Speaker 3: on low heat instead. Simon. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 3: the comeback of steak? Dianne Well, I was a.
Speaker 5: Bit distracted by the amount the word beef was in there,
Speaker 5: and especially when they used it. They used it to
Speaker 5: not refer to the beef of the dish, but to
Speaker 5: say the beefed up the sauce.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think I was just kind of.
Speaker 1: Stuck on that. I was like, is that was that intentional?
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 4: I think this person is a little bit of a
Speaker 4: I'll drop in a pun here and there.
Speaker 1: A herb.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the next one is herb crusted chicken. But like so,
Speaker 5: I mean, from what I heard, it sounds like a
Speaker 5: pretty relatively normal food. They were just kind of it's
Speaker 5: almost like there's they are over describing it to me,
Speaker 5: like I know, I kind of know what it is.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's certain little nuances that that kind of
Speaker 5: took me for a loop. I was distracted by the
Speaker 5: you know the use of the word beef. So I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if I kind of absorbed everything, but I
Speaker 5: I would take that over the strawberry pretzels salad.
Speaker 2: So thus far, Yeah, that's winning for you so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, could you picture yourself being at like a
Speaker 3: fancy restaurant and being like, I'll have the steak Diane.
Speaker 5: Please see that's not me, you know, like I don't
Speaker 5: like fancy restaurants first of all, Like.
Speaker 1: They just I was just like, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: who missed you would do? But like, you know what,
Speaker 1: shut up? I want to. I was just like, I
Speaker 1: want you know, it's not my thing.
Speaker 5: I don't really like I don't really like you know,
Speaker 5: a menus or waiters, you know.
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm envisioning you saying this all just the
Speaker 2: best two Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who's I'm saying I'm saying this person. I'm saying this
Speaker 1: to the stewardess on the play. I'm like, like, what
Speaker 1: is this? Do you eat the tinfoil? Yeah? Sorry, yes
Speaker 1: I could, Jona.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, I will say that I got a
Speaker 4: little stuck.
Speaker 2: Jonah.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, because I have this article
Speaker 4: in front of me. On their description of why it's
Speaker 4: called steak Diane. They don't really explain it. They say
Speaker 4: the Diane in quotes, they put Diane in quotes, the
Speaker 4: Diane in the recipe refers to the pant sauce and
Speaker 4: how it's made Colon with mustard cream, Worcester and flombayed cognac.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, you're not explain why Diane though, like,
Speaker 4: is it like Diane von something loved cognac. So that's
Speaker 4: why they're just saying ingredients. And then you go, well,
Speaker 4: how do I put these two together?
Speaker 3: That's what I thought too. I thought they're going to
Speaker 3: be like famously Shelley Long who played Diane and Cheers
Speaker 3: I love, Yeah, right, that.
Speaker 2: Would be great.
Speaker 4: Then I would go, I don't even have to hear
Speaker 4: the other two. I love Cheers and I love Diane
Speaker 4: and I love this dish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Like they left the most interesting part of mystery.
Speaker 1: I think, well we will in the initial reading they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: It's also like if your wife.
Speaker 5: Is named Diane and she's gone missing, would you serve
Speaker 5: steak Diane? Or where people raise an eyebrow.
Speaker 4: I think the right might might make you a little suspicious.
Speaker 1: The optics not good?
Speaker 2: Jonah, would you order it? Could you see yourself ordering?
Speaker 3: I think yeah, I mean it sounds yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: It sounds kind of interesting, you know, I like I
Speaker 3: didn't have mistakes, pretty pretty minimalists. But this is not
Speaker 3: exactly the first one. You know, Flambay Kogniac sounds pretty intense.
Speaker 3: But I would try it if I was out somewhere fancy.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe someone else's pay and maybe I'm
Speaker 3: on an expense account or something.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: But said you want to share this last one?
Speaker 5: Sure we can ask one more question about yeah, just quickly,
Speaker 5: I'm very sorry.
Speaker 1: How much do you think this would cost in a restaurant?
Speaker 3: I think it's expensive. I think, yeah, get steak. It
Speaker 3: has the name Diane in it. I think this is
Speaker 3: I think this is a fifty dollars entre.
Speaker 4: Okay, our producer Olivia has said, invented in London and
Speaker 4: named after the Greek goddess of hunt, Diane, isn't it Diana?
Speaker 1: I think it's Diana, but.
Speaker 4: They they're being little herbs and they're calling her Diana.
Speaker 2: But based on the name.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, this is an expensive dish. This is you're
Speaker 3: not getting it. You're not getting a steak Diane for
Speaker 3: twenty bucks at the.
Speaker 5: Okay, the Greek god thing is good. I wish they
Speaker 5: said Diana because I feel like Diane's yeah, like suit
Speaker 5: beat god Susan, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It makes me more mad at the way it's explained
Speaker 4: in this article, because it's like they completely leave that
Speaker 4: off about but they're like, because it has mustard in it.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, of course, yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's not blame the food for the poor, you know,
Speaker 1: literary presentation.
Speaker 2: Right, let's not hold that against it. That's a really
Speaker 2: good point.
Speaker 3: The nasty one again. This last one, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: This last one is whacky cake.
Speaker 4: Wacky cake, also known as crazy cake, wor cake, depression cake,
Speaker 4: and three whole cake, is a simple chocolate cake recipe
Speaker 4: that's been using kitchens for.
Speaker 2: Using kitchens for nearly a century.
Speaker 4: This cake was created when many common ingredients were hard
Speaker 4: to acquire or food items were being rationed, so the
Speaker 4: recipe doesn't include any butter, eggs, or milk. Even though
Speaker 4: this cake originated during challenging times, the recipe itself couldn't
Speaker 4: be easier to create. Okay, Wacky cake is considered wacky
Speaker 4: not only because the recipe lacks any dairy or eggs,
Speaker 4: but also because all the ingredients for this cake are
Speaker 4: mixed directly into the pan it's baked in. Okay, and
Speaker 4: then what are the ingredients for wacky cake? The ingredients
Speaker 4: for wacky cake include every day kischen and staples you
Speaker 4: likely already have in your home.
Speaker 2: These ingredients include all.
Speaker 4: Purpose flour, sugar, cocoa powder, baking soda, salt, oil, vinegar,
Speaker 4: and vanilla extract. But there is while room for substitutions
Speaker 4: if needed. So what do you think about wacky cake?
Speaker 2: Simon?
Speaker 5: I think that I would rather call it depression cake.
Speaker 5: I think that that was that seemed because even though
Speaker 5: again I'm upset with the writing, I wanted more of
Speaker 5: a sort of a kind of the historical tale of
Speaker 5: this cake. Like was it is it like buffalo wings,
Speaker 5: which kind of originated in the Depression, to kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, spice up a very easy to get literally,
Speaker 5: spice up a very easy to get food and make
Speaker 5: it a more interesting dish. And I'm imagining because it
Speaker 5: was called depression cake, it is a great depression sort
Speaker 5: of invention.
Speaker 1: I like the historical aspect of that.
Speaker 5: I would I would like to call the strawberry pretzel
Speaker 5: putting wacky cake.
Speaker 3: Yeah instead yes, yeah, it seems more wack.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And when and then, like I was on the edge
Speaker 5: of my seat when when Vanessa you were saying that,
Speaker 5: like it's basically what was the sense like something it's
Speaker 5: almost like what we described as a strawberry pretzel salad,
Speaker 5: where ITAs like everything in the kitchen. But then they're like,
Speaker 5: it's like everything in the kitchen, and then they just
Speaker 5: kind of like, well everything like a cabinet, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Sounds like there's like fucking pickles and ham.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 5: It's just like this like it's a little it's like
Speaker 5: a little corner of a cabinet, like just throw that in.
Speaker 5: I think that's I will Okay, something that I need
Speaker 5: to say, is I am hungry now right? Okay? And
Speaker 5: I didn't realize until we started to discuss these delicious foods.
Speaker 5: But I'm not ready for my decision yet. But I
Speaker 5: will say that that will that is influencing my decision.
Speaker 5: And I think backy cake sounds fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, yeah, sounds fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll do.
Speaker 3: I'm with Simon. I don't think it's as wacky as
Speaker 3: the strawberry pretzel salad. But you know, and I to
Speaker 3: be asked, I don't eat a ton of cake. If
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat cake, I kind of want it to
Speaker 3: be kind of high quality cake. Had some thing someone's like,
Speaker 3: we have some extra baking soda and vinegar. I made
Speaker 3: a cake, but but I don't know. Yeah, it's it's fine,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's I don't have strong feelings about Vanessa.
Speaker 1: What about you? Well.
Speaker 4: I left this detail out because I was trying to
Speaker 4: get through this description. But there's also a detail that
Speaker 4: this recipe goes against most popular methods for mixing cake
Speaker 4: batters because there's no especially because there's no bowler whisk necessary. Plus,
Speaker 4: and this is in the article in creating wells for
Speaker 4: the dry ingredients and filling them with the wet ingredients
Speaker 4: before mixing it adds another level of wacky. So like
Speaker 4: it's funny because it's like the strawberry dish is like
Speaker 4: so it's just like the ingredients itself are like you're like,
Speaker 4: that's wacky. The steak Diane, You're like, oh, it's named
Speaker 4: after this goddess of the hunt.
Speaker 2: Like that's intense.
Speaker 4: This one is like there's like there's like you know,
Speaker 4: chocolate and like an egg in it or whatever, or
Speaker 4: no eggs, but like there's like these all purpose flour,
Speaker 4: sugar and baking soda in it.
Speaker 2: It's wacky.
Speaker 4: Like it's like it's almost like like you said, kind
Speaker 4: of Simon, it's like they're scrambling like this this cake
Speaker 4: is almost taking too much credit for how like whack
Speaker 4: adoodle it is when it's actually just like this has
Speaker 4: the most basic ingredients in it, and I don't know,
Speaker 4: but also I know that, like you know, given the
Speaker 4: times when it was like you know, the Great Depression
Speaker 4: or whatever, they had to like be excited about stuff,
Speaker 4: so they were like this cake is wacky, Like this
Speaker 4: is wild fun that we're having in the midst of
Speaker 4: all the doom, just a.
Speaker 5: A jovial glimmer in trying times by naming wacky cake.
Speaker 5: And I guess like so it's all like non perishables
Speaker 5: pretty much to go in it, right, I think that's
Speaker 5: the main thing. And then you could make it sort
Speaker 5: of in like the pan that you have on your backpack. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: so as you walk from town to town.
Speaker 1: OK.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had to pick one, Simon, what are
Speaker 3: you going with the steak Diane, the strawberry pretzel salad
Speaker 3: or the wacky cake?
Speaker 5: Well, I feel like, sort of it's almost classiest to
Speaker 5: not choose the wacky cake because I feel like it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, like it's disrespectful for people who have no
Speaker 5: option but to eat the wacky cake at a certain time.
Speaker 1: Sure, so I want that to be noted.
Speaker 5: But I am choosing steak Diana, which I'm gonna call
Speaker 5: it Diana because, as you've said, Vanessa, that just makes
Speaker 5: more sense and that's I kind of want to eat
Speaker 5: that right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds pretty good. Yeah, I'm with Simon. I
Speaker 3: think the steak Diane slash Diana does sound like the
Speaker 3: most appetizing to me. Look, if this steak is seventy
Speaker 3: five bucks, like forget it. But if it like I.
Speaker 5: Said, dude, yeah, I'll never be saying I five dollars
Speaker 5: for anything, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I've all these It sounds the most appetizing, Vanessa,
Speaker 3: what about you?
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I want to appreciate what Simon's about, like
Speaker 4: not being like, you know, the It seems like in
Speaker 4: some ways the right thing to do is to go
Speaker 4: with the wacky cake. But wouldn't imagine what a major
Speaker 4: herb you'd be if you showed up to a party
Speaker 4: and you were like, this is wacky cake and people
Speaker 4: were like, well go.
Speaker 5: And then you explained why, yeah, they have to like it.
Speaker 5: Twenty minutes you're disrespectful and they're like they like, like
Speaker 5: this is history and it's real, and people struggle and like,
Speaker 5: don't just dismiss the wacky cake because like, check your privilege.
Speaker 4: It just got it just it just got It's just
Speaker 4: got all these like basic ingredients that like you already
Speaker 4: have in your pantry. And then people would be like, okay,
Speaker 4: well you have access to like grocery stores and stuff,
Speaker 4: and you'd be like yeah, but I thought it would
Speaker 4: be kind of a bring a cool piece of history
Speaker 4: to this party exactly. So I guess I'm okay with
Speaker 4: that coming back, but I would I certainly don't want
Speaker 4: to be the one who's bringing it, you know, to
Speaker 4: a pot luck. So I would say, honestly, I am
Speaker 4: excited about the strawberry pretzel salad. I look, I don't
Speaker 4: appreciate that the writer was like everybody, everybody remember our
Speaker 4: fave dish, strawberry pretzel salad.
Speaker 2: It's back. But at the same time, I'm into it.
Speaker 4: It seems like it could it could be really disgusting,
Speaker 4: but it could also be really good, and I'm willing
Speaker 4: to take that risk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the fave dish thing seems like a bit of
Speaker 5: a syop, you know, you're like, oh yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 5: like you know, you almost feel like I've never heard
Speaker 5: of it, but I guess everyone else has, so it
Speaker 5: it's my favorite too.
Speaker 2: I mean, this person's this writers thing. It's practically required
Speaker 2: at picnics.
Speaker 1: It's like, where what just imagine that shit covered in nants? Oh?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess to conclude this game, steak Diane, congratulations
Speaker 3: you baked yourself?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
Speaker 3: One, So Simon, where can people find out more. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on. Where can people find
Speaker 3: out more about your music? What you have going on?
Speaker 3: I know there's a new spiral Heads album. What can
Speaker 3: you talk about that stuff really quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's a there's a new Spiralheads album, and
Speaker 5: or for our first record. So we worked on it
Speaker 5: for a while then and now we're done with it
Speaker 5: and it's coming out on February twenty third, and we
Speaker 5: will be playing shows eventually, although I haven't none in
Speaker 5: the books yet, but there's some cool videos coming out
Speaker 5: and that's kind of it. And then there's Modest Mouse.
Speaker 5: Pixie's cap Power Tour is resuoming in June or late May,
Speaker 5: and then there'll be some more exciting Modest Mouse stuff
Speaker 5: that I can't talk about yet but coming up soon.
Speaker 5: But that's really it.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, you guys should put the strawberry pretzel
Speaker 3: salad thing on your rider. Maybe you'll get some on the.
Speaker 2: Road, especially when you're in the South.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we put the stick Diane on the rider. That'll
Speaker 1: be kind of.
Speaker 5: Be like wait, but we also put Wacky Cake, so
Speaker 5: like we're not really you know, like we're kind of
Speaker 5: like a band of the people.
Speaker 1: We have wacky cake.
Speaker 4: Also, can you imagine asking for wacky cake and like
Speaker 4: getting follow up. It's like the venues asking like what
Speaker 4: kind of wacky cake you want and you be like like, well,
Speaker 4: there's like there's room for substitutions, like it's just but
Speaker 4: like it's like anything they have in.
Speaker 1: Their home, and can they bring it to us in
Speaker 1: a bindle? Is that okay?
Speaker 5: We just want to see the runner bring a stick
Speaker 5: with a handkerchief filled with the ingredients, so just you know,
Speaker 5: for the experience. Yeah, and then no, put wacky cake
Speaker 5: on the rider and then like one page is the
Speaker 5: full explanation of the history of it.
Speaker 2: What makes a wacky cake wacky? Yeah, and have that
Speaker 2: I'll explain that they're like.
Speaker 1: Her Yeah, exactly herbs, we're talking about wacky cake.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much Simon for joining us and
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, you guys,