Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as
Speaker 2: always so much for tuning in. That's our man, the myth,
Speaker 2: the legend, the one and only super producer, mister Max Williams.
Speaker 3: Who rah rah ray, No, you got it, you got it. Uh.
Speaker 2: They called me Ben Bollen for various reasons. That's the
Speaker 2: one and only, mister Noel Brown.
Speaker 4: Nol. How's it going, Bet? I got a question. Have
Speaker 4: you been Bolan before?
Speaker 5: I have never?
Speaker 2: Do you want me to give you like the kind answer? Yes, okay, uh,
Speaker 2: yes I have. It is the opposite of nominative determinism
Speaker 2: in my case, Nol. If you are listening to this,
Speaker 2: if you are ever in the same town as me
Speaker 2: and you need a little bit of an ego boost,
Speaker 2: you feel like you need a win, go bowling with
Speaker 2: me because you will be victorious.
Speaker 5: I am You're You're like, you're like the opposite of
Speaker 5: a ringer, I am whatever.
Speaker 4: The opposite of a ringer is yes, sabatteur. Perhaps, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: we have we.
Speaker 2: Have some real ringers today, right Because we were able
Speaker 2: to hang out with the Luminaries, one of our peer podcasts. Uh,
Speaker 2: the amazing folks Elizabeth Dutton, Zarreon Burnett, and super producer
Speaker 2: KG Dave at a Ridiculous Crime.
Speaker 5: It's true and we did something of a new thing
Speaker 5: for us.
Speaker 6: We've done, you know, our head to heads with our nemesis,
Speaker 6: the quizt We've done some quiz related to U with
Speaker 6: our buddy A. J. Jacobs, the Puzzler, but never quite
Speaker 6: fully a game show scenario.
Speaker 4: This is a little bit new for Ridiculous History.
Speaker 2: And credit where due our pals over Ridiculous Crime said, well,
Speaker 2: let's not just play historical flexes. Let's make it an
Speaker 2: actual like you were saying, make it an actual game.
Speaker 2: And it's a game that we think is going to continues.
Speaker 2: We're going to hear today, folks, is you're going to
Speaker 2: hear Nol and Max and Elizabeth and Zarin and Dave
Speaker 2: and yours truly playing a game called twenty questions question.
Speaker 6: Which is you know, I was familiar with the concept,
Speaker 6: but it never dipped my toe into the twenty questions
Speaker 6: pool before. And let me tell you there's some some
Speaker 6: refreshing waters in that pool. I really enjoyed the game
Speaker 6: very much and look forward to doing it again.
Speaker 7: But why don't we get right to it without further ado?
Speaker 8: Saren, Elizabeth, Ben, Noel Max. Do you know what's ridiculous?
Speaker 8: Six hosts, six hosts in a tiny.
Speaker 5: Gonna be some cross talk, y'all, it's gonna be some
Speaker 5: cross talk.
Speaker 4: We're doing our best. Wait wait, no, no, are we
Speaker 4: cross talking? No? No, no, just barely. We're not cross
Speaker 4: talking at all? Are you? Are you being serious? Yes?
Speaker 2: Well, there's it's a it's a it's a conversation, and
Speaker 2: it's conversation. Uh Noel Max, that that we might be interrupting.
Speaker 2: I believe producer Dave is setting up a thing.
Speaker 4: It's true. Carry on, sir Dave, were you setting up
Speaker 4: a thing?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: Sorry? Are you guys done?
Speaker 9: It's back.
Speaker 4: And that's what we keep talking. I keep talking over.
Speaker 8: I tell you what is ridiculous. Six hosts in a
Speaker 8: tiny little box going toe to toe in an attempt
Speaker 8: to determine which show reigns supreme. This is not ridiculous crime.
Speaker 8: It still may be a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.
Speaker 8: Heis and cons. We'll just have to see. This is
Speaker 8: also not ridiculous history. Welcome everyone. What we have here
Speaker 8: is something extra special, as the presence of all these
Speaker 8: voices will attest. This is a little something we cooked
Speaker 8: up called twenty Ridiculous Questions. It's kind of I don't know, Ben,
Speaker 8: if you will allow me, it's the Ridiculous Beast with
Speaker 8: two backs, the history back and the crime back.
Speaker 4: Ew. I don't know how that third thing some sort
Speaker 4: of hybrid of all that that's also somehow really sticky.
Speaker 8: Before I continue, let's do introductions. So from Team Ridiculous
Speaker 8: History we have Ben Bolin, Noel Brown, and Max Williams.
Speaker 8: Welcome one and all. How are we all doing today?
Speaker 4: Anyway?
Speaker 8: Any want to give any speeches, any last words.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Ridiculous Crime and want to
Speaker 2: shout out that show in particular, which may be somewhat redundant.
Speaker 4: But I'm not backing down from it fan, all right.
Speaker 8: And from Team Ridiculous Crime we have Zarn Burnett, Elizabeth Dutton,
Speaker 8: Emmy KG. Hello, what's the what's the KG?
Speaker 4: Dave?
Speaker 8: Oh? That's uh what? Kyle Gass from TENACIOUSD. He always
Speaker 8: says me, KG.
Speaker 5: It's me KG sucking up on them toes.
Speaker 8: That's you got it?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 9: Doing some push boyfriend? It sucks toes.
Speaker 8: Finally, here's the twenty twenty four now Friends. As far
Speaker 8: as the game, the game Friends is Pistols at Dawn,
Speaker 8: Well Ben Ben wanted pistols at dawn. Zaren wanted calculating
Speaker 8: pie to the most decimal places. That's right, No, I
Speaker 8: think you wanted Bakara. I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 5: I don't either. You guys know how to play Mancola.
Speaker 5: That's the one with the love that. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Used to play strip Mancola.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 6: It's one of those games where I don't fully understand
Speaker 6: the rules. I just kind of somehow I'm accidentally good
Speaker 6: at it.
Speaker 8: Zeron, I knew that was you've made.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, you seen the video a while little while.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So, out of all these wonderful suggestions, we decided on
Speaker 8: the game of twenty questions. More specifically, this is going
Speaker 8: to be a game of twenty questions about historical flexes. Now,
Speaker 8: keep me honest here. A historical flex is when someone
Speaker 8: makes like a zag instead of a zig, some kind
Speaker 8: of a bold move, something that wasn't required in their position,
Speaker 8: and that maybe it brought on consequences. Is that accurate or.
Speaker 6: Perhaps an absurdly ostentatious display of disgusting wealth.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, for instance, like when uh, when
Speaker 2: you are so wealthy that you trat you go on
Speaker 2: a road trip and you break the economy of countries
Speaker 2: while you're traveling.
Speaker 9: Right now, Monte Usa style.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, sir, yeah, see cloud outless moments.
Speaker 6: We've actually done this a different version of this with
Speaker 6: Miles and Jack from the Daily Zeit guys and Jack
Speaker 6: brought I think one of my favorite historical flexes, which
Speaker 6: is the little known fact that Charles Darwin ate every
Speaker 6: animal that he studied, documented good wow dedication.
Speaker 10: That's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a flex may be not necessarily imbued with some
Speaker 2: kind of absolute moral right or wrong.
Speaker 4: Right the most you know, exactly God. Also, another fun
Speaker 4: note about Charles Darwin.
Speaker 11: Is when he discovered the Glopagos tortoise, he looked at
Speaker 11: it and said, I'm going to try to ride one.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm going to write it. Then I'm going to
Speaker 9: eat it.
Speaker 6: Darwin also a big foot fetish guy, little little known
Speaker 6: luke of his day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, real Maverick.
Speaker 8: Anyone here, a big twenty questions player anyway, like got
Speaker 8: some to question skills built up.
Speaker 9: Oh, I played it on my phone against friends.
Speaker 5: Yes, I only vaguely understand the concepts.
Speaker 6: I've never participated, so I'm looking forward to hopefully getting
Speaker 6: to see you guys do it right before I screw
Speaker 6: it up.
Speaker 2: Most of my friends, President Company excluded, are incredibly sketchy,
Speaker 2: so every conversation is a bit like twenty questions.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 8: As far as where the game comes from, there's some
Speaker 8: dispute as to where it originated, but the oldest reference
Speaker 8: seems to be in eighteen twenty two, which was when
Speaker 8: a Scottish teacher named William fordce Mavor Mavor Mavor who
Speaker 8: knows who cares, offered it up as a way to
Speaker 8: pass the time before TV and electricity and readily available
Speaker 8: recreational drugs.
Speaker 6: So for Dice like a street name because he carried
Speaker 6: around for Dice in his pocket.
Speaker 2: It was like his ancestors street normalized into a middle.
Speaker 4: Name, just a name. Yeah, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 8: So then you fast forward like twenty years later, it
Speaker 8: shows up in the US, and then it took off
Speaker 8: like wildfire. It even became a very popular quiz show
Speaker 8: in nineteen forty nine. Unfortunately, so none of you can cheat.
Speaker 8: Most of the episodes were lost when the studios wipe
Speaker 8: the tape to use it again for something else, which
Speaker 8: is outrageous, right, Like, so many beautiful live recordings have
Speaker 8: just been lost this.
Speaker 10: Way, so many questions.
Speaker 6: Was this the era of the Great Quiz Show scandals
Speaker 6: where they were all like fixed earlier?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, forty but that one was like forty nine
Speaker 8: to mid fifties essentially, so probably, yeah, gets right in there.
Speaker 4: I wonder if A. J. Jacobs is a fan of
Speaker 4: this game. I'm sure imagine. Yeah, he probably has a
Speaker 4: book about it. Yeah, probably way better than anything you
Speaker 4: would write, Dave, Do.
Speaker 10: We have like rules regulations for this or is this
Speaker 10: just the wild West?
Speaker 8: I am glad you asked them. Before we can rumble.
Speaker 8: Let's set some ground rules, all right, So the teams
Speaker 8: are pretty clear, right. This is head to head, ridiculous
Speaker 8: crime versus the ogs, the goats, ridiculous history, and score
Speaker 8: will be kept just between those two entities. So ridiculous
Speaker 8: crime versus ridiculous history. Each of us will take a
Speaker 8: turn doing what we call being the flexer. And since
Speaker 8: you can't see in the audience, I'll represent to you
Speaker 8: that each one of us are doing our best bodybuilding
Speaker 8: superposed right now, signify flex That person takes a historical
Speaker 8: flex in mind a person that did something, and then
Speaker 8: what they did. All three members of the other show's
Speaker 8: team can question them until either they guess correctly or
Speaker 8: their twenty questions run out, so they can ask up
Speaker 8: to twenty questions. The questions can be yes or no questions,
Speaker 8: and acceptable answers are yes, no, I don't know, maybe,
Speaker 8: or you're so far off that you should really ask
Speaker 8: a different kind of question.
Speaker 4: Very generous. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 8: So if the team correctly guesses the historical figure who
Speaker 8: did the flex, we will award them one point. If
Speaker 8: the team is also able to guess what the flex
Speaker 8: itself is, then it's at the discretion of the flexor.
Speaker 8: They can award any amount of points additionally or no points,
Speaker 8: and at the end of questioning, the flexer will reveal
Speaker 8: their historical figure and the flex and tell us a
Speaker 8: little bit about it. So that's how it's going to go.
Speaker 5: Any questions, is there a flexi or just a flex or?
Speaker 10: I think that the questioners are the flexi, yes.
Speaker 5: The question yeah, just getting the term straight. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Is there a time limit for the twenty questions.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean we don't want to be here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, my next birthday next?
Speaker 8: Okay, Zara, what is your next birthday?
Speaker 10: Time?
Speaker 9: August?
Speaker 4: But you know hey same yeah, same shout out.
Speaker 9: Okay, good summer babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So then we can we can just feel
Speaker 2: it out. We can vibe together on that.
Speaker 8: Take the journey with me.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I want you to live your truth.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys will be first. Dave, you want to
Speaker 9: go be the first flexer?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. So the way this will go is
Speaker 8: it'll be a round robin. Everybody will get a chance
Speaker 8: to flex, and when one person's flexing, the three members
Speaker 8: of the other team will get They all get to
Speaker 8: ask questions. So, starting with me, we're going to start
Speaker 8: the invisible clock that doesn't exist. Go ahead and guess
Speaker 8: the historical flex I have in mind.
Speaker 2: Question one? Is this person alive?
Speaker 4: Now? No? Okay?
Speaker 5: Was this person elected to some political office?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Was this person born in America? United States for America?
Speaker 8: Yes, So that's three.
Speaker 4: That puts us.
Speaker 2: That puts us three questions, three questions. Yeah, keeping count
Speaker 2: ate along at home as well, think you thank you?
Speaker 4: Eric?
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, did this person have siblings.
Speaker 8: Uh, good question. I am gonna need to check my
Speaker 8: notes on that.
Speaker 6: Well, I would argue that if you don't know, they
Speaker 6: probably weren't noteworthy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, they do not.
Speaker 5: Was this person known for killing someone?
Speaker 9: Nice? Shorthand? Uh no?
Speaker 5: Why did you have to pause? You think that would
Speaker 5: be a definitive yes?
Speaker 4: Or no? Alright? Max has got one, Mexic got one.
Speaker 4: I don't have one. I'm counting the number.
Speaker 9: I got the question. You can think we want your question?
Speaker 9: I got the number.
Speaker 4: Are we are we allowed to discuss amongst our.
Speaker 8: Conversation?
Speaker 4: That doesn't count as question six.
Speaker 9: Though, No, you get to ask questions.
Speaker 8: That's five more questions.
Speaker 4: Genie rules, y'all for another wish alignment? All right, what
Speaker 4: you got?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking, okay, so is this person known for
Speaker 2: a single historic act?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: Right, no guice? Sorry?
Speaker 5: Was this person in uh films?
Speaker 4: Yes? Was this person born in the nineteen hundreds?
Speaker 8: The nineteen hundreds?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll even give you the date, nineteen fifteen.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, Charlie Chaplin, no is that?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, they're letting us back because I was thinking
Speaker 4: the same thing. Okay.
Speaker 12: Uh so.
Speaker 2: Is this person well known today?
Speaker 9: Yes, so we're calling that your ninth question. If that
Speaker 9: if Knowles was reeled back, Okay, it was really good,
Speaker 9: Thank you, very gracious.
Speaker 6: Is this person mainly known for being a star of film?
Speaker 8: It's a tough call. I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 4: Oh sho, Okay, is this.
Speaker 2: Uh uh? Keeping a Does this person identify mail?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 8: Did since they were deceased?
Speaker 4: Did since they were dead? Okay? Did the person? Oh?
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, Max, you got to give us one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, internal discussion. Is it Howard Hughes?
Speaker 4: So let's see, it's not what well, so it's not filmed.
Speaker 5: They were in film though you said they were in films.
Speaker 11: And it put us and put us somewhere like this.
Speaker 11: I looked up Humphrey Bogart. That was eighteen hundred and.
Speaker 2: No, but he said it was looking stuff up.
Speaker 4: Where was that? That was? No?
Speaker 5: Phones? Phones, phones faced down?
Speaker 4: We are we are a show built around research. I
Speaker 4: researched it.
Speaker 6: Was Yeah, but from run Dave said that this person
Speaker 6: is not known exclusively for being a film stars, so
Speaker 6: it wouldn't be a Bogart type figure. Howard Hughes type
Speaker 6: figure is interesting, but he wasn't in films he just directed.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I got which, by the way, I didn't
Speaker 9: know at all until I watched The Aviator for the
Speaker 9: first time recently, which is a very good film. Okay,
Speaker 9: he was an innovator of films, like, he.
Speaker 5: Really did all kinds of crazy stuff, and he was
Speaker 5: articulously clean.
Speaker 8: For a while, like tissue boxes.
Speaker 9: And a lot of jars.
Speaker 2: Okay, was this male historical figure also active in the
Speaker 2: world of music?
Speaker 8: Yes, that's question twelve.
Speaker 4: Okay, question twelve, thank you? All right?
Speaker 2: So, yes, so I'm thinking then, was this person someone
Speaker 2: with ties to organized crime?
Speaker 4: Question thirteen reputedlyted.
Speaker 2: Okay, we got seven questions left you guys, Oh oh yeah, Max, ask.
Speaker 4: Is this person Frank Sinatra? Yes?
Speaker 9: Questions maximum?
Speaker 4: I came is fun y'all? Wow, Okay, we haven't guessed
Speaker 4: the flex.
Speaker 8: Yes, So for an unnamed amount of additional points, can
Speaker 8: you guess the flex that I have in mind right now?
Speaker 4: That's how life was kind of a flex. That guy
Speaker 4: was time super problematic flexes too.
Speaker 6: Let's see, I don't know if I know of one
Speaker 6: that I would have associate with the idea of what
Speaker 6: we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Word winging musician street name Old Blue Eyes.
Speaker 6: Is it something to do with with with with like
Speaker 6: luxury type of situation?
Speaker 8: We're no longer in twenty questions?
Speaker 4: How can we? How can we? Possibly? We just have
Speaker 4: to know everything about.
Speaker 10: I guess, take a guess.
Speaker 11: It's sort of like, did he have a freakishly large
Speaker 11: penis that he needed additional space.
Speaker 4: In his pants? So nan, what better guess do y'all have?
Speaker 2: Was he was he involved in some sort of government operation?
Speaker 8: I don't know, but that is not the flex.
Speaker 5: That wouldn't be as.
Speaker 4: We just want to hear it. We don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what's the flex?
Speaker 8: The flex is Francis Albert Sinatra did his own stunts
Speaker 8: and Mentorian Candidate, and as a result either broke his
Speaker 8: hand or his wrist, and then he couldn't play Dirty
Speaker 8: Harry Harry Callahan in the Dirty Harry movies.
Speaker 6: What, Yeah, I didn't know he was in the Manchurian Candidate.
Speaker 6: I never think of Sinatra as being an actor at all.
Speaker 9: Really, Yeah, Also a bunch of movies he wanted Academy
Speaker 9: War actors.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't it funny how sometimes you can just really
Speaker 6: have like a blind spot for like certain things. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, we we researched and talk about stuff like
Speaker 6: this all the time, and I just zero awareness that
Speaker 6: Sinatra was in movies.
Speaker 2: I also propose a port banteau if we're if we're interested,
Speaker 2: this is a flex had consequences for Old Blue Eyes.
Speaker 2: So what if we call that a flex sequence?
Speaker 8: Nice, very flexoquent. Yeah, a little bit more color. So
Speaker 8: if you've seen the movie, Uh, he smashes his hand
Speaker 8: onto a table, and that was really him smashing his
Speaker 8: hand onto a table. Nancy Sinatra says he broke his finger.
Speaker 8: Other sources say he broke his wrist, but they all
Speaker 8: agree that it never healed right. And so he was
Speaker 8: actually attached to the first Dirty Harry movie for six months.
Speaker 8: And he gets in and they show him the three
Speaker 8: fifty seven magnum and he picks it up.
Speaker 9: A big gun man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he says, and Zaren will do a better
Speaker 8: Old Blue Eye than me, but he's like, I'm afraid
Speaker 8: it's a little too big for my hands. I did
Speaker 8: find a quote from Eastwood to confirming this, because I
Speaker 8: wanted to make sure this wasn't a bunch of bs.
Speaker 8: Eastwood said, I was in post production on play Misty
Speaker 8: for me, and they called up and asked, are you
Speaker 8: still interested in Dirty Harry? Eastwood recalled, I said, what
Speaker 8: happened to Frank Sinatra? And they said, Frank Sinatra's got
Speaker 8: some problem with his hand and he can't hold a gun.
Speaker 8: That sounded like a pretty lame excuse, but it didn't
Speaker 8: matter to me. I said, I'll do it. But since
Speaker 8: they had initially talked to me, there had been all
Speaker 8: these rewrites. I said, I'm only interested in the original script, a.
Speaker 5: Cloud that's a flex in and of itself.
Speaker 6: I actually saw Dirty Harry for the first time recently
Speaker 6: and again Blind Spot. I had no idea how tied
Speaker 6: to the Zodiac Killer. Yeah, it's sort of featured in
Speaker 6: Zodiac in the Fincher movie. They go to like the
Speaker 6: premiere and then some of the detectives are like, guys,
Speaker 6: it's over.
Speaker 4: They already made the movie about it.
Speaker 10: Well, And there was some talk in the local, like
Speaker 10: in the scene, that maybe this would draw him out
Speaker 10: for more communications because there had been a gap.
Speaker 6: Oh you guys are in Zodiac country.
Speaker 5: Yeah I am.
Speaker 8: And when Sinatra couldn't do it, they're really scrambling and
Speaker 8: so Yeah. A couple other actors turned it down because
Speaker 8: it was like all too weird and conservative for them.
Speaker 8: Like Steve McQueen was also approached for it, and he
Speaker 8: was like, I already did a detective movie and this
Speaker 8: is doesn't fit with my with my feels.
Speaker 10: Can you imagine the Steve McQueen dirty Harry movie.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine a Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 2: A part of me is now always going to be
Speaker 2: a little bit imagining the Steve McQueen.
Speaker 10: Dirty Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: I'm just sharing that now.
Speaker 5: I need to see Bullet. Have you guys seen Ball?
Speaker 10: Yeah, a couple of years ago on the big screen.
Speaker 9: Yes, one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was amazing, the chase scene on a big screen.
Speaker 9: The sound is engine.
Speaker 10: If you ever see it playing like at an art
Speaker 10: house theater near.
Speaker 9: You go watch it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really like Drive.
Speaker 5: So I think Drive was highly inspired by Oh yes, oh.
Speaker 9: Yes, pretty much every car chase since nineteen sixty nine
Speaker 9: has been inspired by Bullet.
Speaker 4: Too true, Too true.
Speaker 2: We also we did not get our wild card point
Speaker 2: for people playing a log at home. We had check
Speaker 2: me Yar's eron. It took us fourteen of our twenty
Speaker 2: questions to yeah to nail Nail Old Blue Eyes aka
Speaker 2: frank A. Sinatra, for a grand total of if you
Speaker 2: could get a drum roll one point, Paul.
Speaker 10: I do want to point out that I, you know,
Speaker 10: was suggested that maybe half a point if you if
Speaker 10: you guess, and then I was like, I just no rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just whatever be rewarded for guessing and fewer questions.
Speaker 10: That just feels, you know, well, we can start where
Speaker 10: everyone starts with negative twins.
Speaker 9: More emotional badge of pride. It's like you can just
Speaker 9: collect like, you know, we got ours and fourteen took
Speaker 9: you guys nine.
Speaker 10: Well maybe the team with the lowest number gets an
Speaker 10: extra point at the end for that having that that
Speaker 10: low score, low questions.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's up to your discretion. You could give five
Speaker 8: hundred points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can also just m p r p rrit
Speaker 2: and just you know, sort of like wait, wait, don't
Speaker 2: tell me, just kind of have a good time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Zaren, will you will you?
Speaker 6: Will you leave an outgoing message on my answering machine.
Speaker 8: I just got a text. It's from sponsors. They want
Speaker 8: us to take a break.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Like as people are as a show
Speaker 2: just both.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they said, hang it up, this isn't working, so
Speaker 8: let's do that. And when we get back, we will
Speaker 8: have been as the next flexer.
Speaker 2: And we have returned. Folks, as always, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us. This is this is round two. We're in
Speaker 2: the Luminaries of Ridiculous Crime. We'll have twenty questions to
Speaker 2: guess an historical flexer, and perhaps indeed they're flex Now.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, there's a weird one because you
Speaker 2: guys are experts, so I couldn't make it like too
Speaker 2: too easy. I'll start off by saying it is not carot.
Speaker 8: Top Oh, okay, scratching out for your yeah.
Speaker 9: Oh, let's see for a first question, Elizabeth, you like
Speaker 9: to the first ones? All right? The first question is
Speaker 9: is the was this person an American?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yes, lived in America, lived in America.
Speaker 10: Gentle phrasing there.
Speaker 4: Okay, Uh, I'm very mpr with these.
Speaker 10: Was this person alive to see baseball?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: Like professional baseball or just like stickball in the alley.
Speaker 2: Some some form of baseball? What about plastic? Give me
Speaker 2: give me just a second on that one. Let me
Speaker 2: go back through my notes. That's a good question. I
Speaker 2: got to learn more about plastic. Uh, I'm going to say, no,
Speaker 2: not called the grastic the way we know it.
Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, okay too.
Speaker 10: Well, if we're talking about.
Speaker 9: Plastics, are basically World War two, so being yeah, this
Speaker 9: person is stayed between the eighth nineteen nineteenth century and
Speaker 9: up to nineteen thirties.
Speaker 10: Well, vaccolate was early that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the beginning of plastics.
Speaker 8: So we ask about wealth.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Da you got a shot, dave?
Speaker 8: Uh did the I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 8: to throw away my shot? Was this person part of
Speaker 8: the elite wealth class?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 9: Okay? Was this person born in Europe?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 10: Born in Europe? American citizen ballpark range of no, pun enchanted?
Speaker 10: What years?
Speaker 9: What we say we don't have a front end, we'd
Speaker 9: have a back end. Was this was this person alive
Speaker 9: before the camera? It was invented in eighteen thirty nine?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, okay?
Speaker 9: Was this person they lived a long time? If they
Speaker 9: made it to plastic, right they didn't? Oh so plastic?
Speaker 4: Oh so they did plastic as we know on the
Speaker 4: other side.
Speaker 10: Oh okay, okay, okay. Was this person famous for their knowledge?
Speaker 4: Could you be more specific.
Speaker 10: Was this person a scientist?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 8: No, Was this person a military leader?
Speaker 4: Also?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 9: Was this person a woman?
Speaker 4: Yes? M so this will be questioned, ted, yes, correct.
Speaker 8: We have nine so far and we have I've got
Speaker 8: a naw down to two people, so this should be easy.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 10: Was this person controversial in her day?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 10: Uh zerend have a question?
Speaker 9: Was this was this woman associated with a political movement?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna not really No, no, Noel, Max, Would you
Speaker 2: guys be comfortable say no on that one? Just to
Speaker 2: check me here?
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I would be comfortable. I forgot who who?
Speaker 4: You have? So? Great? Great?
Speaker 10: But whatever it is, sure this is this is a
Speaker 10: peculiar one.
Speaker 9: We've got nine guesses left.
Speaker 10: Okay, so what with our parameters we're talking about a
Speaker 10: woman born.
Speaker 9: In Europe becomes an American? Was alive in the nineteenth century?
Speaker 10: Controversial but controversial? Was this person an entertainer?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, I mean this is to be clear, this is
Speaker 2: a bit of a tough one. So one hint I
Speaker 2: would give you is this is an excellent subject for
Speaker 2: an episode of something like Ridiculous Crime.
Speaker 4: Slightly deep cut.
Speaker 9: Figure, deep cut figure criminal pop possibly or overlapping with crime.
Speaker 10: I am having a how many questions.
Speaker 4: Have we had so far?
Speaker 9: When we've done twelve questions? Thirteenth question?
Speaker 8: Yeah, what about asking about whether they were convicted of
Speaker 8: federal charges?
Speaker 9: There you go?
Speaker 10: Or any charges federal or state.
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yes, uh convicted And I'll help you out
Speaker 2: here because this is a tough one convicted and then
Speaker 2: ultimately fled the US.
Speaker 9: Hm hmm.
Speaker 10: I'm having a hard time on this one. This is
Speaker 10: very Was this.
Speaker 9: Person married to a fame anybody famous or that we
Speaker 9: would know by name?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: No, she's sort of the protagonist I think of her story.
Speaker 10: Okay, not an entertainer.
Speaker 9: Did this person do any violence in their lifetime? Any
Speaker 9: like notable violence?
Speaker 4: I would say ordered it? Yes, yes, but not directly
Speaker 4: perhaps right?
Speaker 5: That should be a decent hint. What kind of figures
Speaker 5: order of violence?
Speaker 9: So mob boss, crime figure?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 10: Well, I'm still I have a guess and one of
Speaker 10: the questions knocked my guess out, but I'm still it
Speaker 10: lines up. And do you know if it's someone that
Speaker 10: we've talked about on Ridiculous Crime?
Speaker 4: Is that a question?
Speaker 2: I looked, I looked, but I'm not sure we can
Speaker 2: count that.
Speaker 4: We can count that as a procedural.
Speaker 10: One five questions left.
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, already got a half point
Speaker 2: with mob boss because it's a tough one.
Speaker 3: Oh so mob okay, since I can just give away,
Speaker 3: you gave you the birth year of Frank Sinatra, so
Speaker 3: that was helpful.
Speaker 9: Let's see Mob boss women ordered hits and had to
Speaker 9: leave America.
Speaker 10: So are we guessing Italian, Russian, Cuban?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Colombian said they were born in Europe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is that was just a really cool
Speaker 4: as of r moment.
Speaker 5: I've got the tangles.
Speaker 10: Okay, so I'm thinking, okay, possibly Italian. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 10: no offense, not to paint with a broad brush.
Speaker 9: Of course. But then also we have to keep in
Speaker 9: mind that there were a lot of British and French
Speaker 9: criminals who would have Mob qualified as mob Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, mob might be a little broad could Irish?
Speaker 10: British?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Maybe like gang boss gang boss.
Speaker 9: So let's think famous or semi famous gang bosses of
Speaker 9: the nineteenth century.
Speaker 10: Who were born in You're born in America.
Speaker 9: I went back, God, did this woman have sons?
Speaker 4: Oh? I believe there was some family.
Speaker 9: Like the son's part of her legend, Like the sons
Speaker 9: are important to who she.
Speaker 4: Was, the sons are not part of Okay, where you're
Speaker 4: going for left? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Yeah, so she committed, she orders a crime, orders crimes done,
Speaker 10: and then has to flee back to Europe. And we're
Speaker 10: talking about the century.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be.
Speaker 9: Russian, like a white Russian who knows, I mean said
Speaker 9: it was difficult. So yeah, I'm thinking British is my
Speaker 9: I'm leaning more British than anything.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, not to be a wet blanket, but I would
Speaker 6: argue that if you can't think of the person now,
Speaker 6: you might not know the name off the top of
Speaker 6: your head.
Speaker 4: Question.
Speaker 10: I thought it would be Dave.
Speaker 9: You got any want to we want to pair it
Speaker 9: down a little bit. We got four questions.
Speaker 8: Let's see. I would say, you know, I don't have
Speaker 8: good guesses, so it's I'm just like, yeah, it's like parameters, like.
Speaker 10: I hmm, all right.
Speaker 9: The people the person that she allegedly ordered stuff done too?
Speaker 9: Were they also famous? Would we know them?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: They would often be h some of the uh, some
Speaker 2: of the better off people in New York.
Speaker 10: Can I take a swing at this?
Speaker 8: Sure?
Speaker 10: Is it Emma Goldman, Oh no, it is not. The
Speaker 10: Only thing that doesn't.
Speaker 9: Fit is the ordering violence.
Speaker 10: No, she that was her whole thing.
Speaker 4: She ordered violence.
Speaker 10: The only thing that doesn't fit is gang. And I thought, well,
Speaker 10: if you talk about.
Speaker 9: I mean, she didn't she instructed and urged violence, but
Speaker 9: I don't think she ordered. She did not directly to me.
Speaker 9: She didn't tell like, hey, Steve, come over here, hit
Speaker 9: that persons were like, go to their door, knock.
Speaker 10: On their door. When she had them after the Mill people,
Speaker 10: she specifically had Okay, all.
Speaker 9: Right, I'll give you that.
Speaker 8: It's the game within a game, you know what.
Speaker 2: You know what I'd like to do if the group
Speaker 2: is okay with it, I would like to say, Emma Goldman,
Speaker 2: is such such an astute, wonderful answer. It is not
Speaker 2: in fact this person, but this person is again a
Speaker 2: very difficult uh bit of a deep cut.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and give the full point,
Speaker 2: just because this one was so tough.
Speaker 4: And your guess is.
Speaker 9: I don't know, we got to guesses.
Speaker 13: Well, all right, mob, but gang gang I think also
Speaker 13: because I'm a Goldman, I would say it was associated
Speaker 13: with political movies.
Speaker 9: That's why I asked that question. Yeah, I think like
Speaker 9: who'd be like union movements that aren't political or like.
Speaker 10: Labor there and everything's political.
Speaker 9: Elephants, right, you know.
Speaker 10: Forty Elephants were totally a gang, but they're not totally
Speaker 10: and they weren't never in the US.
Speaker 9: I'm saying, but that type of mob boss would be
Speaker 9: something yea. So we got two guesses. Came in America,
Speaker 9: probably in New York. They were in New York trying
Speaker 9: to do violence. So who and who are the New
Speaker 9: York we got like Queenie, We've got.
Speaker 10: Uh, well, if you're talking about gangs before the twenty
Speaker 10: and gangs in those times were pretty much relegated to
Speaker 10: cultural groups, nationality.
Speaker 6: We're almost like a Fagin type figure, you know, background
Speaker 6: in like textiles, ran the shop from like kind of
Speaker 6: like a you know, ran the business, the illegal business from.
Speaker 4: All right, I got one?
Speaker 9: Was it Sadie the Goat Faral Sadie Farre Sadi the
Speaker 9: Goat Farrell.
Speaker 4: I don't know, no, no, but I'm loving it. Question
Speaker 4: my team.
Speaker 9: I don't know, guys, all right, we got we got
Speaker 9: one last guest who wants to take it?
Speaker 3: Dave?
Speaker 9: You feeling hot? Elizabeth?
Speaker 8: I got kissed.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't have anything for this one.
Speaker 8: Was it Rose? Was her first name Rose?
Speaker 2: No, but I like that shot from half court.
Speaker 9: We can see this one, you.
Speaker 5: Got it is a pretty good old lady name.
Speaker 2: Though half point because this was so tough and because purely,
Speaker 2: fellow ridiculous listeners at home at half point, purely because
Speaker 2: of the absolute top notch caliber of questions here. The
Speaker 2: person we were looking for was someone named marm Mandlebomb.
Speaker 2: Frederica marm Mandlebomb. I'm doing trivia voice there, sorry, but
Speaker 2: but so uh Mandelbaum Mandelbaum. It's very interesting that history
Speaker 2: has largely forgotten this quite successful criminal she.
Speaker 9: Ran.
Speaker 2: She ran one of New York's biggest fencing operations, like
Speaker 2: from eighteen sixty two to eighteen sixty four. She was
Speaker 2: also she had other gangs that she was fighting with,
Speaker 2: but she was helping coordinate things like the Ocean National
Speaker 2: Bank robbery. She was also she was born in Germany.
Speaker 2: We don't know too much about her early life because, surprise, surprise.
Speaker 4: She was a little bit sketchy. She made it.
Speaker 2: She made it to the US with her family or
Speaker 2: with her husband, Wolf Mandelbaum, who he's kind of both
Speaker 2: as sort of a milk toast in this story. But
Speaker 2: she gets there. She gets to the US in eighteen
Speaker 2: fifty and she has a dry goods store, so she
Speaker 2: has a legitimate operation and as a small business owner,
Speaker 2: she has the opportunity to turn stuff around. Part of
Speaker 2: the reason why pow Noel is saying she's a fake
Speaker 2: and esque character is because she started a school she
Speaker 2: institutionalized teaching kids how to be ne'er do wells at
Speaker 2: her pickpocket pocket.
Speaker 8: So no murder.
Speaker 4: Involved with her, she did.
Speaker 2: She dead end up being arrested, uh, because she just
Speaker 2: got out of hand. She just blew up in the
Speaker 2: big Apple so much that eventually, you know, the New
Speaker 2: York District Attorney was like, hey, we got a high the.
Speaker 4: Pinkitons my goodness. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she gets released on bail after she's arrested with
Speaker 2: your points Aaron, her son's her son Julius, and then
Speaker 2: another guy's working for named Herman. Once she gets released
Speaker 2: on bail, she does exactly what everybody thought she would do.
Speaker 2: She high tails it out of the United States. She
Speaker 2: skidaddles with one million dollars in eighteen eighty four and
Speaker 2: settles in Hamilton, Ontario shout out to your reference about
Speaker 2: throwing away the shot Dave, where she remains until she
Speaker 2: passes away ten years later. So I think, as a
Speaker 2: fan of ridiculous crime, I thought this would be like
Speaker 2: a great episode.
Speaker 10: Yeah, looking definitely definitely.
Speaker 6: Ben would the would the Flex be the pickpocket School
Speaker 6: or what would you?
Speaker 2: I mean it's so oh yes, thank you. The Flex
Speaker 2: is the pickpocket School.
Speaker 9: I love that she started basically an elementary school to
Speaker 9: teach thieving and street crime. I mean she's like Mother Marshmallow,
Speaker 9: but instead she just like, come under my dress and
Speaker 9: I will teach you crime and take care of your children.
Speaker 9: Let's go, man man.
Speaker 6: She was often referred to as mother, Mandel mom or Marma.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 10: You guys haven't ever mentioned them on one of yours shows?
Speaker 10: Mentioned her on your shows?
Speaker 13: Right?
Speaker 2: We had a show called on our another show we
Speaker 2: do called stuff they Don't Want you to Know. We
Speaker 2: we explored, we explored her life and we sort of
Speaker 2: put it under the umbrella of conspiracy. God did conspire
Speaker 2: to start like oh yeah, crime elementary you.
Speaker 10: Know, wow, wow, wow wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 8: You know what I think this party could use. What's
Speaker 8: that day some really good ads like oh she got
Speaker 8: oh yeah, I got some in the oven.
Speaker 4: Excellent flex those ads.
Speaker 10: All right, guys, we're back twenty questions. So what's our score.
Speaker 9: Now is I've got it as two to.
Speaker 10: Half two to half okay.
Speaker 4: Oh I thought I had it as one day.
Speaker 9: Because you beat us.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's only one point.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and they got Frank Sinatra, so that's two points.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, the Frank Sinatra is one. If they guessed his
Speaker 8: flex that would have been another.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then we did we did not get their answer, right,
Speaker 9: so they get one point for that.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh, I have it as like you only get points
Speaker 8: when you're thinking guessing.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, they got they get points for Traditionally, twenty questions,
Speaker 9: if you stump the person, you get a point. So
Speaker 9: for stumping us they should get a point. I would say,
Speaker 9: so it would be two to half.
Speaker 10: According to my we got the pity point five.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that he gave us the pinion.
Speaker 4: It was not a pity point five.
Speaker 9: We're trying to find a way to give it back,
Speaker 9: but we appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I like how. I also like how we're all out
Speaker 4: nice in each other. Then try to give you all
Speaker 4: a full point, and y'all said, no, we're not thinking
Speaker 4: any sticking point, and then you settle for half that
Speaker 4: on the record, right, Yeah, I mean if.
Speaker 8: They wanted to profliget with points, sure, absolutely, Like what
Speaker 8: are my main points?
Speaker 2: Well, we we're all being nice now, but we may
Speaker 2: encounter we may encounter quite a plot twist and turn,
Speaker 2: depending on how Max Nol and I do.
Speaker 4: In the next rou Oh yeah, it's going to get ugly.
Speaker 10: All right. So I've got that, I've got this in
Speaker 10: my head, and I am ready for questions.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm counting questions here. Let's go with this.
Speaker 2: Does this individual identify as male?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: Is it George Washington? I'm kidding, it doesn't count that
Speaker 6: it was just a call back to President what?
Speaker 4: Okay? Was this person a elected official?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay. Was this person born in the nineteen hundreds?
Speaker 10: Yes? No, sorry, I'm seeing nineteenth century.
Speaker 2: Now, okay, okay, okay, okay, we know that now, okay.
Speaker 2: Uh Is this person known for uh scientific breakthroughs?
Speaker 4: No, it's this person a criminal?
Speaker 12: Uh m hmm yeah yeah, okay, okay, okay, I'm going
Speaker 12: to put yes, but with an audible are you keeping
Speaker 12: a spreadsheet.
Speaker 10: Then I do want to I do want to just
Speaker 10: have one.
Speaker 9: Cap ya, please qualify that all.
Speaker 10: Of your questions have made one assumption that is dear,
Speaker 10: but go ahead.
Speaker 4: One assumption that is incorrect. This is a person? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think that would be because looking back through the rules.
Speaker 9: Is that is that? Is that a question?
Speaker 4: Max?
Speaker 5: What could the assumption be?
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 10: telling you is I think the assumption.
Speaker 4: Is that that can they be not a person.
Speaker 9: They could be historical.
Speaker 2: It could be they specifically put creature into the room.
Speaker 10: And there's another assumption. Think you came in, you came
Speaker 10: in with some implicit biases.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, my mind is running wild.
Speaker 5: Is is this uh figure a famous animal spy?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 13: Damn it?
Speaker 4: I like you to do Okay, I should have just
Speaker 4: asked if it was an is this figure a human being?
Speaker 4: Will burn that one just to get a clear Great,
Speaker 4: there we go.
Speaker 9: So I have you guys had seven questions asked?
Speaker 4: Yes, this will be our eighth question. So does that mean? Okay?
Speaker 5: A criminal though a non human criminal.
Speaker 4: They're like, don't we.
Speaker 11: Have stories that are pasted about like goats and stuff
Speaker 11: being arrested as like, we had an animal personhood episode,
Speaker 11: which unfortunately I was also on vacation.
Speaker 4: No help on that episode, just gone on that one.
Speaker 11: But I remember we had that episode about all the
Speaker 11: animals that committed crimes?
Speaker 2: Was this individual creature? Was this creature of mammal?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 9: Yes, probably?
Speaker 4: Okay? Is this that elephant that got electrocuted? I was
Speaker 4: thinking that Jumbo.
Speaker 10: No, no, no.
Speaker 9: You mean like by Edison, like when he went to edge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when he was trying to hype up the Yeah,
Speaker 2: what a terrible guy that what dude.
Speaker 5: Was how can an animal be a criminal?
Speaker 9: Lots of ways?
Speaker 6: No, yeah, an accomplice perhaps that's one way. Trained like
Speaker 6: counted this internal convo, this internal discussion, U table, We're welcome.
Speaker 6: Just feed us some good intel while you're in here.
Speaker 5: Jesus.
Speaker 9: They walk across the set and just stand there. I'm
Speaker 9: on the Jenkins family.
Speaker 2: Now there's another implicit assumption that we haven't tackled. There's
Speaker 2: a second when we didn't get you guys, which is,
Speaker 2: let's see a creatures.
Speaker 4: So we got that aquatic that they actually.
Speaker 8: Mammal it was on earth. I'll give you that hand, Jesus.
Speaker 4: Water water dwelling.
Speaker 10: Oh is that your question? Yeah, it is not a
Speaker 10: water dwelling.
Speaker 5: Not not a water not.
Speaker 10: A water dweller.
Speaker 6: That's question ted land mammal, So what do we got here?
Speaker 6: What what kind of land mammals are capable of doing?
Speaker 4: Cron So we have I'll pack the list, name them all.
Speaker 11: She sure, Yeah, we can ask if we could ask it.
Speaker 11: So this is just amongst us. If it's a New
Speaker 11: world or an old world monkey.
Speaker 4: The term new world's kind of problem. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: can't pay, We won't ask that.
Speaker 6: I'm picturing the murderous ape from that Edgar Allan post
Speaker 6: or murders in the room wort spoiler alert it was
Speaker 6: an ape.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I just had I've had a dog
Speaker 4: in my head this entire time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh okay, yeah, let's just let's burn a couple.
Speaker 2: Getting closer to the type of animal.
Speaker 4: Is it a primate?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: No, all right, helpful, it's not a Pepperino elephants?
Speaker 9: Did you say Pepperino? Is that a question?
Speaker 4: Pepperino a dog?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, it is?
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, how many questions?
Speaker 9: We're at? Twelve? Will be you have thirteen? Yeah, thirteenth coming.
Speaker 5: Wasn't there a dead dog that was shot into space?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's way different. Is way different?
Speaker 9: Well, this is eighteen hundreds, and technically that's not across
Speaker 9: crime was done. It was a victage like it was
Speaker 9: that was just trespassing in space.
Speaker 11: So it's a dog that did some sort of crime.
Speaker 11: But we also have an assumption that we are forgetting
Speaker 11: about that.
Speaker 10: I can't remember an additional assumption that.
Speaker 4: We have not address.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got it. I got him down on like
Speaker 9: a fourteen.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's all right, fine, even though we we established
Speaker 2: it was the eighteen n.
Speaker 5: But there's nothing just screaming to mind right now?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 10: Do you want to hint?
Speaker 8: I think we should get me.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have mentioned my flexer on your show. Whoa wow,
Speaker 10: the words have passed your lips.
Speaker 9: So you guys have said this out loud?
Speaker 4: Is this? Uh? Wait?
Speaker 2: No conversation personal? Did we already ask about America?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think did we?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm totally down to pull up our comprehensive meta sheet. Right,
Speaker 4: we're not doing that? Okay, No, I won't tell you
Speaker 4: that I'm doing it. No, you already don't.
Speaker 5: Don't don't don't be like it's not funny.
Speaker 4: It so much more fun.
Speaker 6: We did notablished it was America European.
Speaker 5: We established that then I feel like we did. We
Speaker 5: should remember, we don't remember were useless.
Speaker 4: We did not.
Speaker 2: The reason we feel like we established America is because
Speaker 2: we we had that quick question on George Washington words, yes, picturing.
Speaker 4: A European dog for some reason. Is it a vegetable dog?
Speaker 9: What's vegetable dog?
Speaker 10: Like a dog traumatic brain injury?
Speaker 2: Like so like the it's a it's a terrible practice
Speaker 2: where they had to where they made dogs live, turning
Speaker 2: spits to cook meat.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, it's not a vegetable dog.
Speaker 10: No, I'm going to charge you two questions?
Speaker 9: Oh I did I as fourteen questions? You've got six lefts.
Speaker 8: You just walk around with your brain, all right, So what's.
Speaker 9: Your fifteenth guess?
Speaker 4: I am hitting over.
Speaker 11: We had that episode, guys, with that two part episode
Speaker 11: we did about hero animals.
Speaker 5: But this is a criminal who criminal?
Speaker 9: Why can't a criminal and a hero be the same person?
Speaker 9: Episodes or hero Robin is a criminal who is a hero?
Speaker 9: I mean what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same with Cara Top.
Speaker 11: Unfortunately for that episode all I can remember is the
Speaker 11: hero cats. So I'm no help here.
Speaker 9: Oh you were really good, but I didn't.
Speaker 10: I didn't answer that question. What I'm saying, Ben.
Speaker 9: You got anything hand up?
Speaker 4: Was this? Was this?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 2: Was this unfortunate dogg o arrested by political authorities?
Speaker 10: Yes? Although political what do you mean define political authority?
Speaker 10: Like elected officials or like I would.
Speaker 9: Say, I just go with they were elected, they were
Speaker 9: arrested by the authority. Yes, in the traditional sense of
Speaker 9: what we would assume that means. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 9: have no idea because.
Speaker 4: I was thinking, no, Max, I was thinking, was.
Speaker 2: It ecclesiastical authorities or something like that?
Speaker 9: No, this is not an excommunicated dog.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Was this like a Joan of archetype dog? Yeah, heretic dog.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 11: I'm just gonna say, I'm pretty certain it's one of
Speaker 11: the animals we talked about in that two part episode.
Speaker 9: Is probably where do you want to ask?
Speaker 10: That is a question.
Speaker 4: This is internal, intermpletely.
Speaker 9: Comfortable.
Speaker 4: We got a chair for you.
Speaker 9: This is sorry, Sorry, what am I doing? So dave
Speaker 9: me back.
Speaker 11: Unfortunately, I can't remember all the animals we talked about.
Speaker 11: I remember our whole second part was just about that
Speaker 11: cat that lived on the boat.
Speaker 4: That I don't know right now. Well, no, I'm talking
Speaker 4: about the whole episode. Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 10: Well that's not the episode. Save you some time.
Speaker 4: That is actually very wonderful. Thank you.
Speaker 10: You're very welcome.
Speaker 6: Okay, I got nothing, guys, And also with you more questions,
Speaker 6: many more questions to week five questions.
Speaker 4: We have five. I'm burned one right now.
Speaker 11: Was I the producer of Ridiculous History when we talked
Speaker 11: about this animal? Oh, because it would be April twenty
Speaker 11: one when it became twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, Max, you were the producer.
Speaker 9: Okay, four questions?
Speaker 4: Okay, that gives us down to three hundred episodes. Wow
Speaker 4: all the time, barks all right.
Speaker 6: I don't know, guys. I don't want to burn any
Speaker 6: more questions. I feel like I think dogs.
Speaker 9: Dogs. You guys know dogs. You like dogs that impress you?
Speaker 4: Dogs.
Speaker 9: I like your fear.
Speaker 4: That's a problem. I like every dog.
Speaker 9: Sorry, am I you're not helping. I like every dog.
Speaker 9: I bet they moved the table this time?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: No? Because Noel, you already asked about Spike or trade craft.
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, never mind, I'm cursing.
Speaker 6: Now, I'm pounding my fists on my desk.
Speaker 4: Very quiet.
Speaker 9: He's going to get another part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Guys, do you want to do
Speaker 2: you want to call it? I feel like our guesses
Speaker 2: are good.
Speaker 4: Guys. Let's throw some hell.
Speaker 10: Man feel too bad about being obscure, seeing as how
Speaker 10: you've said it before.
Speaker 5: No, No, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 6: Would this dog be considered after the actions that took
Speaker 6: place some sort of like political symbol?
Speaker 4: That is our question?
Speaker 10: Seventeen kind not really kind of okay, cultural a cultural symbol.
Speaker 11: Did this dog commit crimes against a baby?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 10: I want that on a shirt and.
Speaker 9: I want to know how that could be a hero
Speaker 9: and a criminal.
Speaker 8: But stop that baby?
Speaker 4: Okay, I know there was a dog that did something
Speaker 4: wrong to a baby.
Speaker 10: Crimes against a human baby?
Speaker 9: Oh wow?
Speaker 4: Geez?
Speaker 9: All right, you got two more?
Speaker 4: Yeah, two more?
Speaker 2: Was this dog the subject of a widespread cultural panic?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 9: No, I got one. Last one. I'll get I'll give
Speaker 9: you one hind.
Speaker 10: Question.
Speaker 8: Was this dog in the band widespread panic?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 4: Lies?
Speaker 5: Was this Was there a film made about this dog?
Speaker 4: No, that's a bummer. Think that is? What did you do?
Speaker 10: What did you just say that's what the film made.
Speaker 6: Then your reaction, Oh, I said, that's a bummer. Okay,
Speaker 6: it feels like this animal clearly deserves it.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm going to tell you the story.
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh, here we go.
Speaker 10: Of Bummer and Lazarus.
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 9: Serious?
Speaker 10: So everyone knows the iconic San Francisco skyline. You know,
Speaker 10: you got the Trans America building and in that area.
Speaker 10: When we go all the way back to the eighteen sixties,
Speaker 10: there was a man, Emperor Norton. You guys had an
Speaker 10: episode about.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, and then show.
Speaker 10: You mentioned his dogs Bummer, and now is a passage
Speaker 10: Bummer and Lazarus, and Emperor Norton again declared himself Emperor
Speaker 10: of the US Protector of Mexico. He was always seen
Speaker 10: in the company of these two dogs, Bummer and Lazarus.
Speaker 10: He wasn't their owner, though, because these were stray dogs
Speaker 10: and they were two of hundreds in the city at
Speaker 10: the time. And so on a cold day eighteen sixty one,
Speaker 10: a terrible dog fight broke out on a street in
Speaker 10: San Francisco. It's vicious big dogs attacking a smaller dog.
Speaker 10: Big dog takes a bite out of the smaller one's leg.
Speaker 10: That small one just yells out, yelps out. Another dog
Speaker 10: comes running in, breaks up the fight, bites the bully dog,
Speaker 10: drags the injured dog into a doorway and the two
Speaker 10: of them huddle there. And so the savior dog that's Bummer,
Speaker 10: Bummer was called Bummer, who's a big black and white
Speaker 10: Newfoundland mix. Bummer would go around to all the saloons
Speaker 10: in the Barbary Coast begging for food, and people would
Speaker 10: feed him and he'd sit there and eat, and then
Speaker 10: he just known all around town. Well, so Bumber still
Speaker 10: goes around to the saloons, gets food, but takes it
Speaker 10: to go. He takes it out to this dog, this
Speaker 10: injured dog, and they sleep in this doorway for a
Speaker 10: few weeks while the bite heels. But everyone's like, this
Speaker 10: dog's not going to recover, but the dog does, and
Speaker 10: Lazarus was reborn. And then these two become an absolutely
Speaker 10: paired duo. They go everywhere together all the time. And
Speaker 10: this is one hundred and sixty years.
Speaker 9: Ago, Doggy life partner.
Speaker 10: So what's their flex? Their flex is that they had
Speaker 10: a skill that wound up saving their lives. They were
Speaker 10: so good at ratting that they became in demand pest
Speaker 10: control in like the filthy streets of San Francisco. So
Speaker 10: in one instance they get called in to control the
Speaker 10: rats in a hotel. The dogs enter the building. Twenty
Speaker 10: minutes later, eighty five rats are dead. And because it
Speaker 10: is everyone loves them, but there's trouble, there's trouble on
Speaker 10: the horizon. So stray dogs are totally out of control
Speaker 10: in San Francisco. There's hundreds and hundreds of them, and
Speaker 10: so animal control is like taking them in at this
Speaker 10: exponential rate, and then less than ten percent of the
Speaker 10: ones they take in or ever claimed. So the Board
Speaker 10: of Supervisors they pass an ordinance animal control. You got
Speaker 10: to go out round up as many as possible, any
Speaker 10: dog without a muzzle or a leash on and if
Speaker 10: someone claims them, they have to pay five bucks to
Speaker 10: get them out of pound. If no one claims them,
Speaker 10: the cops shoot them on site.
Speaker 4: Damn geez rough.
Speaker 10: So immediately people in the area, they're worried about Bummer
Speaker 10: and Lazarus. You know, they lived on the streets and
Speaker 10: they liked it that way. They could never be owned.
Speaker 10: And people were right to be worried, because pretty soon
Speaker 10: poor Lazarus. He gets caught. Luckily, someone steps in pays
Speaker 10: the five dollars. But this outraged the people of San Francisco.
Speaker 10: They petitioned the Board of Supervisors to exempt Bummer and
Speaker 10: Lazarus from this death order, and so they have a
Speaker 10: meeting to hear this petition. Bummer and Lazarus go to
Speaker 10: city Hall and they're gathered in the doorway, just like
Speaker 10: they did when Lazarus was healing, waiting to hear their
Speaker 10: fate inside the chambers and the city fathers they listened.
Speaker 10: They declared Bummer and Lazarus city property, companions to the
Speaker 10: city itself. So there are big flexes where we you know,
Speaker 10: we're not going to be killed. We now are belonged
Speaker 10: to the entire city.
Speaker 9: The whole city's.
Speaker 10: Best because we kill some. And then like a week later,
Speaker 10: they totally prove their worth because the two of them
Speaker 10: stopped a runaway horse cart on Busy Clay Street. They
Speaker 10: one on either side, they run along. Bummer gets out
Speaker 10: in front, slows the horse, a man jumps on is
Speaker 10: able to pull the reins back, and there are all
Speaker 10: these other stories of their companionship and their antics, and
Speaker 10: then their eventual passing was like city wide morning when
Speaker 10: each one finally went. But it's a solid canine flex.
Speaker 10: You kill some rats, you get exempt from the death penalty,
Speaker 10: and you belong to the City by the Bay and
Speaker 10: you become legends.
Speaker 4: Well beautiful.
Speaker 2: I also have to say, just in the interest of fairness,
Speaker 2: rats are very intelligent creatures and they probably have their
Speaker 2: own stories.
Speaker 10: But oh, I'm sure, but they're also filthy.
Speaker 4: Yes, that is true.
Speaker 2: Existence requires us. It's existent film. But do we get
Speaker 2: a half point for that half court shot and noll
Speaker 2: through with Bummer?
Speaker 10: Of course?
Speaker 9: Geez, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: I have to jump in here so I can get
Speaker 4: a max with the facts in it. On this episode.
Speaker 9: That sneaking in the phone and peace fallen knowledge just
Speaker 9: for you. Right now here we come back with the.
Speaker 11: Fact there is actually a dry gin titled Bumber and
Speaker 11: Lazarus with the dogs on it, and one of the
Speaker 11: dogs even has a rat.
Speaker 10: In the and apparently they were just terribly ugly, but
Speaker 10: everyone just loved them to death. And so Bummer and Lazarus,
Speaker 10: those are my dudes.
Speaker 9: Your phone gets and he drops in the knowledge.
Speaker 13: Just for you.
Speaker 9: So good, there we go.
Speaker 2: Amazing, Elizabeth, amazing like, thank you for And also it
Speaker 2: looks like if I'm keeping score here, if we're if
Speaker 2: we're playing log, you'll also get a point for I
Speaker 2: would suggest that Ridiculous Crime gets a point for stumping us. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then and then we get a half point because no, man,
Speaker 2: you won't.
Speaker 9: Okay, So do you want to compare notes? Ben, I
Speaker 9: got us at two and a half, you two point five,
Speaker 9: us one point five. So two and a half one
Speaker 9: and a half.
Speaker 2: That's where I've got us as well as are, which
Speaker 2: I think means we have to continue this in another episode.
Speaker 4: Let's make a week of it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 9: You'll have idea.
Speaker 4: I can't wait. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: You guys, thank you so much for having us over
Speaker 2: here on Ridiculous Crime.
Speaker 10: Thank you for joining us, thank you for showing, and
Speaker 10: thank you for having us on Ridiculous Sisters.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's the secret third thing.
Speaker 9: We found a third place.
Speaker 4: What a time peak.
Speaker 2: Backstage, folks, we were all pretty certain that this was
Speaker 2: going to be a collection of like a couple of
Speaker 2: self contained things. But we had so much fun that
Speaker 2: we are going to keep this going, isn't it right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, actually Max and I and also Zarin have our
Speaker 6: own historical flex figures in mind. So we're gonna record
Speaker 6: that episode very soon and you'll be hearing it very
Speaker 6: soon as well. But in the meantime, huge thanks to
Speaker 6: everyone involved, to Elizabeth to Zaren, to Dave, to super
Speaker 6: producer Max.
Speaker 4: To Bummer plus you know.
Speaker 11: I guess what a weird piece of old history. Do
Speaker 11: you remember when we did that crossover with pods yourself
Speaker 11: a gun?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: We're also Spring criminals. We never did my part and
Speaker 11: I still have that. We still about that Pocket Baby
Speaker 11: about Really it was about really stupid criminals, that's right.
Speaker 11: Basically mine was about these two that they decided that
Speaker 11: they were going to be I don't like, kind of
Speaker 11: like Boondock States type of people, like they were going
Speaker 11: to go and knock off all the mobsters vigilantes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they were also mobster.
Speaker 11: They were stealing their they were knocking out the big
Speaker 11: try to knock out the big people to steal their
Speaker 11: territory and did not end well for them, as you
Speaker 11: probably guess.
Speaker 2: And speaking of criminals, of course, thank you to Jonathan
Speaker 2: Strickland aka the Quister, who's been running our complaint Department.
Speaker 4: For lo these many years.
Speaker 2: Uh big big thanks of course Alex Williams who composed
Speaker 2: this track. Huge thanks to everybody for tuning in. If
Speaker 2: you have not had the pleasure of checking out Ridiculous Crime,
Speaker 2: get thee to thy podcast platform of choice. It's a
Speaker 2: kick butt show.
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