Speaker 1: Hey guys, what U is up?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty as Charge Podcast, presented by the
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Speaker 2: host as always in joining me as my guy Tyler.
Speaker 1: Tyler, what's up? And how are you joining your Monday off?
Speaker 2: Oh it's pretty nice.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic. We've got a face melter of a
Speaker 3: defensive breakdown coming up for you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been watching draft prospects, so we've been watching
Speaker 2: a lot of the Michigan defense because there's like, basically
Speaker 2: their entire defense is draftable this year. But had to
Speaker 2: get some real insight into the x's and o's here
Speaker 2: about the Jesse Minter defense because we like, we were
Speaker 2: excited about it, but you know, getting an expert on
Speaker 2: here was definitely a high priority for us. So very
Speaker 2: excited to be joined by Cody Alexander today, one of
Speaker 2: the best in the business regarding defensive film. You know,
Speaker 2: we always say, like check people out, but definitely definitely
Speaker 2: check out Cody Alexander's work. Unmatched defensive content if you're
Speaker 2: into defensive film and breakdowns and things like that. So
Speaker 2: appreciate Cody so much for jumping on and we'll get
Speaker 2: to that interview here in a second. First and foremost,
Speaker 2: Tyler and I are fans of the team just like you,
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Speaker 2: But the opinions that we shared do not always reflect
Speaker 2: the opinions of the Charters organization themselves. So I'm really
Speaker 2: excited about this episode. Hope you guys enjoy it. We'll
Speaker 2: back on the other side. With that being said, here
Speaker 2: is Cody Alexander. All Right, guys, very happy to be
Speaker 2: joined now by mister Cody Alexander, one of the best
Speaker 2: in the business and breaking down x's and o's. Tyler
Speaker 2: and I have been retweeting his stuff NonStop about Jesse Minter,
Speaker 2: so really excited to have his thoughts here about the
Speaker 2: new Charters defense and the direction that that unit is
Speaker 2: going to be headed towards in the near future.
Speaker 1: So Cody, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
Speaker 4: Yeah, doing great, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really excited about this charges fans. If you're
Speaker 2: not following Cody, I strongly encourage you to go do that.
Speaker 2: He is the host, like I mentioned earlier, the host
Speaker 2: of the Art of X show. He's written six books
Speaker 2: about defense. So this is this is a fun one.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this. We've done some film breakdowns
Speaker 2: on the channel before. I'm excited to see how the
Speaker 2: Chargers content team here cuts it up. But really excited
Speaker 2: about this first and foremost, I think, Cody, we'll just
Speaker 2: start in generalities here. Obviously, the Chargers hiring Jesse Minter.
Speaker 2: You you did a few substacks about his defense in
Speaker 2: preparation for.
Speaker 1: The National Championship game.
Speaker 2: In general, your reaction to him making the jump with
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh, would you classify that as a as a
Speaker 2: candidate likely to be successful and kind of your your
Speaker 2: thoughts about how excited excited Chargers fan should be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it. I would be very excited. I
Speaker 4: think it's going to be it's gonna be similar, but
Speaker 4: not the same, and not in not in a poor sense.
Speaker 4: I think what you've got with Mintor is somebody who
Speaker 4: has a track record. You could actually argue that he
Speaker 4: did a better job at Michigan in the two years
Speaker 4: that he had than McDonald and McDonald had, you know,
Speaker 4: some high caliber talent in twenty one. Mentor has really
Speaker 4: kind of grown that over the past two years. It's
Speaker 4: eerily how it's eerie how similar they are. And I
Speaker 4: know we're going to talk about that, but to me,
Speaker 4: I'm excited. It makes sense. What he runs defensively is
Speaker 4: going to translate. He saw a lot of NFL looks
Speaker 4: in the Big Ten, primarily with multiple tight ends kind
Speaker 4: of a power run game is a little bit different.
Speaker 4: So he's kind of proven that he can do this,
Speaker 4: and so I would be excited for sure that he's
Speaker 4: coming along with Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The more I watch of Mentor, the more I appreciate
Speaker 3: because when we have to watch draft prospects, we get
Speaker 3: to ten of them, and they're from Georgia and Alabama,
Speaker 3: and there's really good five star recruits and they're the
Speaker 3: best players, and they're coached well and the defense is
Speaker 3: really good. Michigan doesn't necessarily have that. I think none
Speaker 3: of the guys are projected to go in the first
Speaker 3: round this year. None of their guys are former five
Speaker 3: star recruits. Like, it's impressive what Mentor is able to
Speaker 3: do with guys that are quote unquote like not as
Speaker 3: talented as some of these other teams with this change
Speaker 3: for the Chargers comes on obvious defensive change, the defensive
Speaker 3: play color and defensive scheme and whatnot. What are the
Speaker 3: differences between Brandon Staley the vic Pangeo scheme and what
Speaker 3: Mentor's going to bring here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're both we'll start with this similarities just
Speaker 4: so we're on the same page. But they both start
Speaker 4: with a three four playbook. So that's going to be
Speaker 4: the base defense. But that does not mean they're going
Speaker 4: to live in that. I think you guys noticed that
Speaker 4: with Staley. Uh, there's a bunch of different ways that
Speaker 4: they could get into things. Uh, they're going to start
Speaker 4: with that. Uh, they are going to run your cover threes,
Speaker 4: They're going to run your quarter quarter half stuff. Basically
Speaker 4: running quarters to one side, cover two to the other.
Speaker 4: They that's something that they share in common. I think
Speaker 4: what you're going to see that's different is that mint
Speaker 4: tu here does not mind blitzing. There's gonna be a
Speaker 4: probably a more robust blitzing playbook per se. You know,
Speaker 4: the thing with Staley is he wanted to play a
Speaker 4: lot of match coverage. He had you know, especially with
Speaker 4: the clientele. You know that he's got on the roster
Speaker 4: that he's got, He's got two great edge rushers, You've
Speaker 4: got some guys in the secondary that can match up
Speaker 4: man man. I think Mintor is going to kind of
Speaker 4: play a little bit more zone. You're not going to
Speaker 4: play a lot of Cover one, You're not going to
Speaker 4: get the Cover three. Stuff is going to be different too.
Speaker 4: And and that's the thing I don't to the naked eye,
Speaker 4: it all kind of looks the same, But if you
Speaker 4: really dig into it, the kind of the matchup, the
Speaker 4: match part of it, how sticky guys are as people
Speaker 4: are going vertical. I think that's going to be a
Speaker 4: little bit different. I think it's a little bit more
Speaker 4: zone heavy. It's not going to be as match heavy
Speaker 4: as kind of Staley liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a super key thing to point
Speaker 2: out there. And then one of the things I'm really
Speaker 2: curious about you mentioned kind of it looking similar to
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's defense, but there was like a real key
Speaker 2: difference in the amount of simulated pressures that Jesse Minter
Speaker 2: ran versus what Mike McDonald ran at Michigan. At least
Speaker 2: Mintor ran this got this table from Gavino Borkez from
Speaker 2: Chargers Wire Good front of the show, Jesse minter Ran
Speaker 2: simulated pressure is at thirty six point four percent this
Speaker 2: past season, while Mike McDonald was at twenty five four
Speaker 2: percent in twenty twenty one. Why do you think that
Speaker 2: is that Mintor like, obviously they come from the same tree,
Speaker 2: but that's a pretty big difference in terms of simulated pressure.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is kind of the direction
Speaker 2: that Mintor went as opposed to what Mike McDonald was
Speaker 2: doing previously.
Speaker 4: That the similar pressure stuff really comes down to who
Speaker 4: you have at your edges. For instance, you're not going
Speaker 4: to drop Bosa into coverage or Mac in the coverage
Speaker 4: a lot, right, And with the Ravens, you just don't have,
Speaker 4: you know, with their edges. They just weren't going to
Speaker 4: drop those guys a lot. So what you end up
Speaker 4: getting is a lot more five man pressures, which are fine,
Speaker 4: you're creating one on ones up front, but I think
Speaker 4: playing the way that you play behind it, having not
Speaker 4: necessarily playing fire zones behind it, not having to play
Speaker 4: cover one behind it, that you saw like Wing Martindale
Speaker 4: who was book prior to McDonald who just is gonna
Speaker 4: return to me. He's gonna go to Michigan. So they
Speaker 4: kind of just traded. So it's like Ravens guys, but
Speaker 4: now they're going back and kind of back in time,
Speaker 4: kind of the old Ravens stuff. But I think that's
Speaker 4: kind of where at the college level, and especially at Michigan,
Speaker 4: there are edges where you know you don't have Aiden
Speaker 4: Hutchinson as your edge, so you know you're gonna you're
Speaker 4: gonna have guys that are a little bit more fluid,
Speaker 4: especially in at the college level, that are that, and
Speaker 4: what he had is gonna be a little bit more
Speaker 4: indicative of playing more five man pressures at the at
Speaker 4: the Ravens, and so it will be interesting to see
Speaker 4: if that simulated pressure rate stays. I that's one of
Speaker 4: the things that I would see is probably gonna go down.
Speaker 4: I Mean, he was very blitz heavy on assing downs,
Speaker 4: very simulated pressure heavy off of that, and I think
Speaker 4: a lot of that has to do again with where
Speaker 4: they're blitzing, and then kind of at that college level
Speaker 4: of talent differential that they had.
Speaker 3: Coldy the to make this scheme work. And given what
Speaker 3: you know about this defense, what's the position group that
Speaker 3: the Chargers should maybe invest in coming up, either in
Speaker 3: free agency or in the draft to make sure that
Speaker 3: this scheme works. And what does this mentor schemer McDonald's
Speaker 3: team scheme kind of revolve around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, you have to have edgereushers, you have to
Speaker 4: have corners. That that's a non negotiable. So if we
Speaker 4: went I mean we could, we could sit here and
Speaker 4: say that and then you know, everybody shooting your head
Speaker 4: will of course, you know, but I think if you
Speaker 4: really need to linebackers is something that tied that tied
Speaker 4: the knot. And in this defense, because it is those
Speaker 4: zone heavy, I think you've got to have some sort
Speaker 4: of linebacker that can play play some coverage. I thought
Speaker 4: we saw that with with with the Ravens that they had.
Speaker 4: You know, they had both of their linebackers really excelled
Speaker 4: this year where they had kind of not maybe you
Speaker 4: wouldn't expect them to. I know that they you know,
Speaker 4: their defense in particular, is so well coached. I think
Speaker 4: that's something that's that's unique. And I know that this
Speaker 4: sounds crazy, but that is something that's unique to this
Speaker 4: Tree coaching at the NFL level is a little interesting.
Speaker 4: You don't always get the best teachers, and I think
Speaker 4: that they do a good job within this system of
Speaker 4: really tying things together conceptually. I know McDonald has talked about,
Speaker 4: you know, how do you get to a one word call?
Speaker 4: How do you get to these things? You have to
Speaker 4: learn the long form before you can get to the
Speaker 4: short form, which just tells me that they're structuring things.
Speaker 4: They're they're building things on top of each other using
Speaker 4: same ass principles, which again it goes back very similar
Speaker 4: to the Fangio system. But again Staley and Fangio are
Speaker 4: not the same guys. I think that that's pretty important
Speaker 4: to kind of point that out as well.
Speaker 2: We didn't put this on the rundown with you, but
Speaker 2: the Charters brought over a lot of assistance from Michigan,
Speaker 2: and I think, like you're talking out here, the ability
Speaker 2: to tie things together while some of these coaches coming
Speaker 2: over don't have a ton of NFL experience. Do you
Speaker 2: think that's maybe why they prioritize the other Michigan defensive
Speaker 2: assistants as well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, don't get the don't get enamored with
Speaker 4: the shield. A lot of these guys that get these
Speaker 4: jobs because they're they're friends with the guy that coached
Speaker 4: and or that they played at this level, and so
Speaker 4: there's kind of a de facto, oh, well, he must
Speaker 4: know what he's talking about. And that's not necessarily a case.
Speaker 4: They may know what they're talking about, but can you
Speaker 4: be an elite teacher. Look, the more the more time
Speaker 4: that they take away from players, which is going to
Speaker 4: happen the you know, you know, safety player, safety player,
Speaker 4: you know, well being and all that they're less and
Speaker 4: less in the office day to day. That is really
Speaker 4: going to maximize how you interact with them when they
Speaker 4: are in the facility, when they're out of the facility,
Speaker 4: what kind of you know, what kind of structure are
Speaker 4: you setting up for them to watch film, how are
Speaker 4: we communicating? All of those things are now at a premium.
Speaker 4: And there's been a lot of guys in this league
Speaker 4: for a long time that have kind of come through
Speaker 4: that is really they've never had to teach, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sitting at Mobile and I'm listening to you know,
Speaker 4: different GMS talk scouts talking. They're like, well, some of
Speaker 4: these coaches they just want to prepackage player and that
Speaker 4: just that Look, ninety nine percent of those players that
Speaker 4: come in the league are not prepackaged. You know, the
Speaker 4: one percent that are. It's like, oh okay, you know
Speaker 4: you can see it instantly. And those guys, I mean,
Speaker 4: got there's a reason why they're one percenters, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: these are the guys that are going to be all
Speaker 4: pros for ten years.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Those guys just aren't coming down the pipe every single year.
Speaker 4: So you have to maximize talent. At the college level,
Speaker 4: you're recycling players every four years, three to four years,
Speaker 4: So you have to be if you're going to stick around,
Speaker 4: you have to be an elite teacher, and you have
Speaker 4: to be able to teach this at a level that
Speaker 4: they can progress.
Speaker 3: Love that great answer. All right, Let's let's get into it.
Speaker 3: Let's get into some of these mentorisms. Let's get into
Speaker 3: the film. What did it look like for Michigan? What
Speaker 3: it looks like for Jesse Mintor?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, uh, first off, I really think the thing that
Speaker 4: you're going to see the biggest difference is blitz structure
Speaker 4: mentors heavy more blitzing, right, and then he will use
Speaker 4: odd front a little bit more kind of He'll he'll
Speaker 4: use the odd front a little bit more than what
Speaker 4: we saw McDonald. I think though, and I'm gonna put
Speaker 4: a caveat here. I'm gonna put an asterisk on this.
Speaker 4: I think that that had to do with, again being
Speaker 4: at the college level. You're not asking mac or Bosa
Speaker 4: to also play a four eye, so you're going to
Speaker 4: get and so you're not gonna move those guys down.
Speaker 4: And you see a lot of shifting at the college level.
Speaker 4: The big thing now with like Georgia, Alabama, Michigan now
Speaker 4: is they kind of jump into things trying to get
Speaker 4: these guys fall to false start. So you're not gonna
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's something that he's gonna translate.
Speaker 4: You're gonna package those things. The game at the NFL
Speaker 4: level is a lot slower, so you're gonna package those
Speaker 4: things as well. So I would see that you're gonna
Speaker 4: have a three to four package, right, You're gonna have
Speaker 4: a maybe a Nickel package that has a three down lineman.
Speaker 4: And so those will be things that I think will
Speaker 4: change a little bit. But I think edge pressure, primarily
Speaker 4: from the Nickel spot is something. And then he is
Speaker 4: a big non traditional Tampa. So this is not your
Speaker 4: father's Tampa. Two, this is not the mic running through
Speaker 4: Brian Urlacker running through the middle of the field. We're
Speaker 4: not doing that anymore. Now we're changing up. We're showing
Speaker 4: you Cover three. So again he's a high Cover three guy.
Speaker 4: How do you throw the curveball? You have to have
Speaker 4: an off speed pitch, right, how do you do that?
Speaker 4: You do that by rotating into a Tampa two from
Speaker 4: from a single high I've got a clip of that
Speaker 4: that I'm gonna show you guys here in a second.
Speaker 4: So those those are the things I think be gap
Speaker 4: pressures as well. They really like the B gap pressures.
Speaker 4: Both of them actually do kind of these linebacker pressures
Speaker 4: through the B gap. Those showed up, man, if you
Speaker 4: go watch if you go watch the Alabama game, I
Speaker 4: mean they're attacking that be gap over and over and over.
Speaker 4: So that's that's one of those things that I think,
Speaker 4: what are mentor isms, That's that's what I'm that's what
Speaker 4: you're looking at. The first one that I want to
Speaker 4: put in is that they run what I call targeted coverage.
Speaker 4: So targeted coverage is essentially saying that we are going
Speaker 4: to have we are going to roll the cover two
Speaker 4: side to a receiver. So here we have Harrison Junior
Speaker 4: on the Marvin Harrison Junior on the bottom, and so
Speaker 4: we are going to actually roll the coverage. Typically you
Speaker 4: would roll cover two to the nickel or away from
Speaker 4: the nickel. You can do this in different ways. So
Speaker 4: we're going to get actually the coverage to Marvin Harrison's side.
Speaker 4: And this is something that is very common within this
Speaker 4: system and something that translates. It's not as common as
Speaker 4: the Fangio system, but this is something that translates. So
Speaker 4: this structure is what you're going to see. Again, NFL
Speaker 4: doesn't run as much for open but you're going to
Speaker 4: get four down linemen. You're going to get two interior
Speaker 4: guys with both their hands in the ground and kind
Speaker 4: of what you would call a frogger stance. Those guys'
Speaker 4: jobs is to knock back their guard and then lag
Speaker 4: off of him. So you're if you're a three technique,
Speaker 4: you're gonna actually step to the guard. I know that
Speaker 4: sounds a little different because you're in a be gap.
Speaker 4: You're actually gonna step to the guard and you're gonna
Speaker 4: actually try if he faces you, you're gonna try and
Speaker 4: stagnate him. Whereas the nose is in at two most
Speaker 4: of the time, meaning he's head up on the guard
Speaker 4: and his job is literally to go knock the guard
Speaker 4: back off the line and then he's gonna fall back.
Speaker 4: So you can see watch the nose right here, get
Speaker 4: both his hands up on those shoulder pads and he's
Speaker 4: trying to punch him back. Okay, and so you can
Speaker 4: see here on the three technique he's doing the same
Speaker 4: thing to the guard. Now, once they realize this pass,
Speaker 4: then you got to get into the pass movement. This
Speaker 4: was one of the big things for the Cowboys when
Speaker 4: they got Mizi Smith was that he's not a great
Speaker 4: pass rusher. He's more of a rum plug. So interior guys,
Speaker 4: that's what they want. They don't necessarily want a pass rush.
Speaker 4: Three technique edges are gonna be up, so this should
Speaker 4: be looked just like the NFL. You're gonna have edges
Speaker 4: up and they're just gonna go into a pass rush
Speaker 4: and then you know a lot of times they'll have freedom.
Speaker 4: Like here, he gets stuck. He sees the eyes of
Speaker 4: the quarterback, so he's gonna work back into the vision,
Speaker 4: back into the running back. So in terms of coverage,
Speaker 4: we're going to have quarters up here, So we're going
Speaker 4: to try and build a box. I know it doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily look like a box because that's because the running
Speaker 4: back doesn't push, But we have a kit. We have
Speaker 4: our nickel is gonna work to the flat you can
Speaker 4: see this, and then both our corner and our safety
Speaker 4: are going to cap or top both of these receivers.
Speaker 4: So why are we rolling to Marvin Harrison Junior. This
Speaker 4: is how you can steal a double team without having
Speaker 4: to play cover one with your safety robbing the other guy.
Speaker 4: So this is a way of getting a bracket on
Speaker 4: a guy without actually playing man coverage, so we can
Speaker 4: still play our zone coverage. Notice how we have a
Speaker 4: wall two player. He's going to carry that and then
Speaker 4: he'll he'll work it back. Notice how if it were
Speaker 4: to be a fade route, we would have ended up
Speaker 4: with our safety and our corner both would have been underneath.
Speaker 4: So this is one of the things that I wanted
Speaker 4: to put on here, is that they love to run
Speaker 4: that quartercoort half and they can move it to different ways.
Speaker 4: So the next one is a nickel pressure and off
Speaker 4: of this is now we're gonna get our non traditional
Speaker 4: Tampa two. So we're gonna get a nickel off the edge,
Speaker 4: We're gonna get a defensive end drop, We're gonna get
Speaker 4: a corner working to what we call a big half. Okay,
Speaker 4: our middle of the field closed safety, our post safety
Speaker 4: is then going to sling shot and he is going
Speaker 4: to take the big half on the passing string side,
Speaker 4: so as we lose the nickel, you can see on
Speaker 4: the back side we get a flat defender, we get
Speaker 4: a wall to defender, or a vertical hook, seam hook,
Speaker 4: however you want to do it. But you can see
Speaker 4: that we have built a triangle on this side of
Speaker 4: the field, and we have built a triangle on this
Speaker 4: side of the field, and then our mic is actually
Speaker 4: going to work through the middle of the field, but
Speaker 4: he's not challenged because we get both the tight end
Speaker 4: and the running the running back blocking, so he doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily have to just run through the middle of the
Speaker 4: field because we're still going to carry the vertical here.
Speaker 4: But this is a typical way of we're gonna run
Speaker 4: a lot of cover three right off of this, so
Speaker 4: we're gonna send him here. Safety's gonna nail down right here.
Speaker 4: This is a little bit of an indicator you probably
Speaker 4: don't want to necessarily give this give this away. You
Speaker 4: have the linebacker really far off and then the nickel
Speaker 4: walks down. Someone's got to clear that void.
Speaker 1: But this is.
Speaker 4: Probably the best shot that I got of it. They
Speaker 4: ran this a ton against Ohio State the past couple
Speaker 4: of years, and they they killed Ohio State off of
Speaker 4: it because they would pair it with man coverage. So
Speaker 4: the Ohio State thought that they were playing man. So
Speaker 4: you run man routes and then you end up getting uh,
Speaker 4: you end up getting zoned, and it ends up killing
Speaker 4: the routes. So that's another thing too that this this
Speaker 4: group of coaches does really well is like really trick
Speaker 4: you into thinking that, Okay, you're in man situations.
Speaker 1: Now we're in zone.
Speaker 4: So you can see here we're running a tradition. We're
Speaker 4: running a non traditional Tampa or an NTT off of
Speaker 4: an edge pressure. So we're still getting four four rushers. Now,
Speaker 4: the only big the only thing here is ninety nine
Speaker 4: forgets which side he needs to go to uh otherwise
Speaker 4: otherwise it would have hit the quarterback in the mouth. Now,
Speaker 4: the last thing is I stated is these B gap
Speaker 4: pressures and we're gonna watch another one with the Ravens,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna I'm gonna show you how that you
Speaker 4: get the same blitz pattern with the Ravens as you
Speaker 4: did with Michigan here in a second. But this is
Speaker 4: a good one versus the run. So this is just
Speaker 4: essentially what is I call zone zone load where the
Speaker 4: tight end is gonna stay, so instead of having him
Speaker 4: work across, they just set him here on the edge.
Speaker 4: In this system, too, this is a really good look
Speaker 4: at the defensive line playing what they're gonna look at.
Speaker 4: So you're getting a blitz through the B gap. We
Speaker 4: have an edge edge defender. He's gonna set the edge,
Speaker 4: he's gonna work through the B gap. He's gonna now
Speaker 4: step to the center in what you would call a
Speaker 4: pointer technique, because he's gonna step to the pointer. He's
Speaker 4: gonna step to the pointer center. And you can see
Speaker 4: here he is going to then trying if he gets face,
Speaker 4: he's gonna cross face. And so these little movements in
Speaker 4: the run game can be killer at the college level.
Speaker 4: You get some stuff like this at the NFL level,
Speaker 4: you have better centers. It'll end up it'll end up
Speaker 4: essentially creating a one on one and funneling that back
Speaker 4: into the A gap or it has to pop all
Speaker 4: the way across. So you can see here that they're
Speaker 4: punching through that B gap and we get our interior
Speaker 4: defensive lineman on a nice little stunt. Because think about
Speaker 4: it this way, you're constantly pushing vertical with your nose
Speaker 4: all the time. So the center kind of has this
Speaker 4: idea that he has to get really shallow in his
Speaker 4: drop or in his step to get to the zone
Speaker 4: because we're getting a knock back here by the guard
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, boom, we cross face.
Speaker 4: Now we've used a quick little j step side and
Speaker 4: then we get vertical that center. Now look at how
Speaker 4: flat he steps. You can see here how flat he steps,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, now we're on the other side.
Speaker 4: And then we get a nice little stunt here to
Speaker 4: the outside and essentially twenty five is just reading the
Speaker 4: back and so this is a nice little look at
Speaker 4: a begap pressure. So how can we translate this now
Speaker 4: from what we see with Baltimore Here we have our
Speaker 4: quarter quarter half, So this is a this is a
Speaker 4: good look at where we're going to actually get the
Speaker 4: cover two side to cup and we're going to get
Speaker 4: the quarter side to the tied end so you don't
Speaker 4: have to again. This is technically your passing strength because
Speaker 4: you have the two receiver side. They can also run
Speaker 4: this out of base. So I wanted to use this
Speaker 4: because now we have a three to four base, so
Speaker 4: this is our base defense. And so this is like
Speaker 4: day one install as you go. As you go vertical,
Speaker 4: you can see that here we are going to get
Speaker 4: our cover two spacing over here, so we have our
Speaker 4: wall two defender, we have our flat, and we have
Speaker 4: our cap safety so he's high. But then you can
Speaker 4: see over here we're building our box. You can actually
Speaker 4: see the box and the way. If you want to
Speaker 4: know this, I'll give you. I'll give this to you
Speaker 4: if you want to know how you can tell like
Speaker 4: a soft cover two versus quarters is you can watch
Speaker 4: the corner. If the corner tries to stay on top
Speaker 4: the entire time, then that's probably an indication that that
Speaker 4: is going to be quarters. You can also see the
Speaker 4: different levels of the safety. You have a down safety
Speaker 4: and a high safety. The down safety is typically playing quarters.
Speaker 4: An easy way to think of quarters as basically manned
Speaker 4: with rules and here the corner is taking all of
Speaker 4: anything deep and anything out right, and then our safety
Speaker 4: is taking anything vertical off of this, and the linebackers
Speaker 4: are just working in tandem together. So if the running
Speaker 4: back were to push, they just got the mic always
Speaker 4: works with three. So you can see here we get
Speaker 4: a wall two right, and we get our corner underneath.
Speaker 4: You can see that he's in soft cover two, and
Speaker 4: then we also have our safety on top. And so
Speaker 4: really right now, when Stafford wants to throw the ball,
Speaker 4: you have pretty much everybody covered. Now he's got to
Speaker 4: get a conversion route or he's got to try and
Speaker 4: hit this receiver in stride as the pocket's collapsing around him,
Speaker 4: and we end up getting a nice playoff of that.
Speaker 4: So here we do have a shot of the chargers
Speaker 4: and we're going to get our nickel pressure. In fact,
Speaker 4: they ran they ran the most nickel pressures against the chargers,
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that necessarily means, but this
Speaker 4: is a good look at their version of the nickels.
Speaker 4: So this is typically what you're going to get. You're
Speaker 4: gonna get a too high shell. It's gonna look like
Speaker 4: a standard down. Now they are mugging, they are mugging
Speaker 4: the guy here because it is kind of a third
Speaker 4: down look. And then what they're doing is they're just
Speaker 4: he's just charging the gap, just kind of guessing that
Speaker 4: it's gonna be run. It's not. He pops back out
Speaker 4: and you can kind of see how everybody kind of
Speaker 4: works in. But this is typically what you're going to
Speaker 4: get from a nickel pressure off the edge. Now Clowney
Speaker 4: kind of freelances right here and goes vertical. You can
Speaker 4: have it off of the slide. The slide's actually down here.
Speaker 4: They do have it to where in the slide if
Speaker 4: the slide goes vertical to d n can stay out
Speaker 4: and then he would actually pop back inside to kind
Speaker 4: of waste blockers. So this just goes to show you
Speaker 4: even in the NFL, you get a little bit of freely.
Speaker 4: You don't get the clean looks that and you necessarily
Speaker 4: get at the college level. But here you can see
Speaker 4: that nickel pressure. Quarterback has to make a hurry throw
Speaker 4: and it almost gets picked off. And then in our
Speaker 4: last one just showing a B gap, So I wanted
Speaker 4: to show this is just a B gap pressure and
Speaker 4: how you can stack a bunch of guys near the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, and you can still have confusion in
Speaker 4: the protection. This is five out protection. Instead of going
Speaker 4: big on big, they go half slide. They actually go
Speaker 4: slide this way and leave the B gap open almost
Speaker 4: to the point where he can't believe it and it
Speaker 4: doesn't go quickly, and then they're just all they're doing
Speaker 4: is running man cover in behind right. And so then
Speaker 4: we go here and we get the exact same pressure,
Speaker 4: except for instead of having the defensive end loop back
Speaker 4: around and trace back around, they actually have the three
Speaker 4: technique here on the bottom is he's now going to
Speaker 4: loop around. And all that does is you've now added
Speaker 4: a layer to your protection. So you're picking this guard here.
Speaker 4: He can't work across the center, and so because you've
Speaker 4: engaged this guard, it creates this nice alley right here.
Speaker 4: We have a nice edge rush right here. And then
Speaker 4: you tell your interior guys not to get vertical if
Speaker 4: your edge rushers are gonna get vertical. And so what
Speaker 4: that ends up doing is we say, oh, well, Melrose
Speaker 4: could have stepped out and leaked out here. Ninety nine
Speaker 4: is actually going to close it. You can actually see
Speaker 4: him close that, and then we see the pockets just
Speaker 4: collapse on Mill Road right there. And so that that
Speaker 4: to me is all of these are really indicative of
Speaker 4: what we see from Mentor and then showing you kind
Speaker 4: of of what that's gonna look like when we translated
Speaker 4: into the NFL.
Speaker 3: Going back to that first one with Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: the way they bracketed him, was that exclusive to guys
Speaker 3: that are like those kind of number ones, because Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior is a different kind of receiver.
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 3: Did they play him exclusively like that or other number
Speaker 3: ones like that? Or is that kind of across all
Speaker 3: games that you saw from Mentor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you you either do it to the passing
Speaker 4: strength or to the X, which would be the single receiver.
Speaker 4: And really in some of these Ohio states so unique
Speaker 4: because of their receiver corp. But that guy's different, and
Speaker 4: so you you saw them tracks. So actually in the
Speaker 4: second half the touchdown, Marvin Harrison actually gets in the
Speaker 4: red zone, they actually had to move him into inside, right,
Speaker 4: so you kind of mitigate that by offensively by moving
Speaker 4: him inside. Well, that's something that's completely different. He didn't
Speaker 4: I mean, he can play anywhere. He's that good, but
Speaker 4: that's not something that you typically see day do. So
Speaker 4: you're what you're doing off of this is you're saying,
Speaker 4: we can play zone, so we can still have our
Speaker 4: eyes on the quarterback, we can still see run, we
Speaker 4: can still play a lot of these other things. But
Speaker 4: we're going to get the double off of that. So yeah,
Speaker 4: you would typically see this against either a strong X
Speaker 4: or a one of the better receivers on a team.
Speaker 1: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the linebackers, and we saw a lot of
Speaker 2: them doing a lot of different responsibilities here. You know,
Speaker 2: I remember I think it was Drew Trenkle, you know,
Speaker 2: the first year that the Chargers had Brandon Stadi said
Speaker 2: that that defense put a lot on the linebackers because
Speaker 2: you have to cover, you have to blitz, you have
Speaker 2: to run stuff. Is it kind of like the same responsibility,
Speaker 2: same kind of arch type you think for the linebacker
Speaker 2: position that we could potentially be like looking at prospects
Speaker 2: or free agents, Like do you think that they would
Speaker 2: be more looking for like specialists, like let's get a
Speaker 2: blitzer in here, let's get a run stopper in here,
Speaker 2: or we're kind of like all around linebacker types.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is a total defense. I think
Speaker 4: that's kind of the difference that This is the thing
Speaker 4: that I really like about it is it's kind of
Speaker 4: in that Big Ten mentality of like we're gonna play
Speaker 4: total defense, we're not gonna play packages. Kind of that
Speaker 4: Iowa style of defense kind of leaks into everywhere in
Speaker 4: the Big Ten of like we're not gonna have a
Speaker 4: lot of packages. We're not gonna have an edge rush guy,
Speaker 4: because the problem that you get with specialists is that
Speaker 4: you now are paying a guy millions of dollars to
Speaker 4: do one thing, and he better be really, really good
Speaker 4: at that one thing. It's kind of like a DH
Speaker 4: and baseball. He better be able to hit otherwise we're
Speaker 4: not why are we paying you? And then why are
Speaker 4: you not playing out on the field. So I think
Speaker 4: the linebackers in this system do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: They've got to know that multiple coverages, because I think
Speaker 4: you saw we ran cover three. We were running different
Speaker 4: types of Cover two, We're running quarters, we're running man coverage.
Speaker 4: We're going to have you maybe be a rat and
Speaker 4: we're going to have you mug the running back and
Speaker 4: add into the blitz. We're gonna have you blitz. So
Speaker 4: I think you're correct and what I said at the
Speaker 4: beginning is like you really have these linebackers are the
Speaker 4: true link in the chain from the anchor points to
Speaker 4: the secondary. And so yes, you are correct. You have
Speaker 4: to find these guys that can tie the knot right.
Speaker 4: They can tie everything together and they are kind of
Speaker 4: total linebackers. And I really think, look, I think if
Speaker 4: you look at the ecosystems in the NFL, it was
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago you were saying kind of
Speaker 4: the linebackers are the running backs of the of the defense.
Speaker 4: But I really think that you see kind of Houston
Speaker 4: this year with their linebacker corps. A Ryans is also
Speaker 4: an elite linebacker coach. But you look at the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers with with their two guys that they've got,
Speaker 4: And don't think that Greenlaw getting leaving that game in
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl did not have a huge tremendous effect
Speaker 4: on that. But you look at some of these systems
Speaker 4: that the Jets are another one that sneakily have some
Speaker 4: pretty athletic linebackers that can run around. Well, these are
Speaker 4: all start kind of the top defenses. I mean, go
Speaker 4: look at even Kansas City with tranquill in there. Bolton
Speaker 4: is another one. You know, Gay is kind of serviceable.
Speaker 4: He does he moves around. So you kind of look
Speaker 4: at these top defends like, oh, well they have linebackers,
Speaker 4: and that's correct. Defense has links in the chain from
Speaker 4: one level to the other, and so every level has
Speaker 4: to have somebody that can play on every standard down.
Speaker 3: Cody, last question for me here. Jim Harbaugh has been
Speaker 3: pretty effusive of his praise for Derwin James and the
Speaker 3: kind of player he is, the kind of person that
Speaker 3: he is. What kind of role change might we see
Speaker 3: for Drwen James in this defense? And can Jesse mintor
Speaker 3: get him to where Mike McDonald has Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, that's going to be kind of where
Speaker 4: that's to me, that's the role I think is. He
Speaker 4: can play back, you can play him down in a slot.
Speaker 4: You can have him be a tight end killer if
Speaker 4: he need to. He can play on top of a
Speaker 4: tight end. He can fit in the box. I mean
Speaker 4: if you go when you look at kind of what
Speaker 4: he did last year and then kind of what Michigan
Speaker 4: was different because their nickel was a true corner. Right,
Speaker 4: He's one hundred and eighty five pounds trying not to
Speaker 4: keep him in the box, and so I actually went
Speaker 4: and I looked at kind of where both of them
Speaker 4: lined up to see any translation. And I do think
Speaker 4: that there is some translation. I do think that the
Speaker 4: nickel pressures are going to be there. I do think
Speaker 4: that he's going to be asked to kind of play
Speaker 4: coverage on a slot. But you know, I think with him,
Speaker 4: you're going to have somebody on top of him a
Speaker 4: lot of times if you need to, if you want
Speaker 4: to play him as the nickel like Hamilton does and
Speaker 4: like to me, when you have a guy like that
Speaker 4: that can do kind of a five tool guy, that's
Speaker 4: where the teaching process comes in. Where do you think,
Speaker 4: why do you think Hamilton can move around in play
Speaker 4: so many different places and not necessarily kind of be
Speaker 4: out of wits? You know, I said it during the
Speaker 4: kind of the playoffs. It's like Isaiah Simmons was kind
Speaker 4: of from Clemson was kind of what we all thought
Speaker 4: Kyle Hamilton would be. He's a little bit bigger. You
Speaker 4: could have taught you know, you probably could have seen
Speaker 4: it probably if you really looked hard. He wasn't going
Speaker 4: to translate very good into the secondary. But how do
Speaker 4: you get a guy I like that that's not just
Speaker 4: a one trick punt. He's really just a one trip point.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna move them around because an athlete, but
Speaker 4: we're only asked him to do a couple of things.
Speaker 4: So I think that that's where I think Mintor is
Speaker 4: going to have challenge of like, hey, how can I
Speaker 4: get this guy move around? And then being able I
Speaker 4: think when you have that chess piece, you're able to
Speaker 4: kind of eliminate some of the spots. They can cover
Speaker 4: up some of the spots like, hey, if we can
Speaker 4: eliminate this player, we can then move move kind of
Speaker 4: some coverage portions over here and vice versa.
Speaker 2: Man, a ton of a ton of great stuff there.
Speaker 2: I know my head's spinning about like draft prospects now
Speaker 2: and like okay, this free agent it could come over
Speaker 2: and so you know, I'm really excited about this. I
Speaker 2: think Jesse Minzer is going to do a lot of
Speaker 2: great things with the Chargers, and I think Chargers fans
Speaker 2: should be really excited about it. Hopefully more excited after
Speaker 2: watching those clips and hearing Cody about it. So, Cody,
Speaker 2: this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Where can Chargers fans go and find your work hopefully
Speaker 2: after they love that great interview.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you are interested in defense at all, to
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Speaker 1: There we go. Definitely can't confirm there.
Speaker 2: When there was the initial rumor that the Chargers were
Speaker 2: interested in hiring Jesse Minster, I went right to Cody's
Speaker 2: profile and search Jesse Minzer and they had like six
Speaker 2: articles up there. So yes, can definitely confirm. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: plug there for you, Cody. Thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure we'll be in touchdown the road and
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully charge fans go give you guys a
Speaker 2: subscription over there.
Speaker 4: Yeap, appreciate it, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Likewise, sir, all right, Tyler. That was awesome. Man, I
Speaker 2: learned a ton. Hopefully you guys listening learned a time.
Speaker 2: Did you have any big general takeaway from our discussion
Speaker 2: with Cody Alexander there?
Speaker 3: You know, it was one of those moments where it's
Speaker 3: almost like being a student again where you pray the
Speaker 3: teacher doesn't ask you to repeat what you just said
Speaker 3: because I'm watching half of that going, uh yeah, sure, dude,
Speaker 3: And it looked great, sounded great, and he did a
Speaker 3: really good job explaining things. But boy, that was that
Speaker 3: was a lot packed into just a few plays. I
Speaker 3: think the real takeaway for me, which kind of maybe
Speaker 3: is just because of the last player I watched, but
Speaker 3: watching the linebackers from Michigan, it's not that you need
Speaker 3: although the Ravens did get a high quality linebacker and
Speaker 3: then drafted another linebacker and Patrick Queen a few years ago.
Speaker 3: You don't necessarily need an elite linebacker by any means,
Speaker 3: but they are asked to do quite a bit. And so,
Speaker 3: you know, we've had a lot of discussions as a
Speaker 3: fan base, like, Okay, how much does Staley's defense prioritize linebacker?
Speaker 3: And then how much does you know the team prioritized
Speaker 3: linebacker in terms of you know, how early they draft them,
Speaker 3: or finances and cap and whatever. The charges maybe don't
Speaker 3: need an elite guy, but they're gonna need some guys.
Speaker 3: So maybe it's the guys they have on the roster currently,
Speaker 3: maybe it's guys in the draft or freegency or whatever,
Speaker 3: but that position does become a bit more of a priority,
Speaker 3: I think having watched that, having watched Junior Colson just
Speaker 3: recently today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as somebody who I love watching linebacker play,
Speaker 2: but in college football, it's really frustrating to watch because
Speaker 2: so many of these like three three five defenses are
Speaker 2: out in college football where they're asking their linebackers to
Speaker 2: do like two things seaball get ball, take on a guard,
Speaker 2: you know, cover a deep middle part of the field.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's so specialized. But these Michigan linebackers are
Speaker 2: doing everything. And Junior Colson, I don't think he's necessarily
Speaker 2: like the best talent in this class, but like mentally
Speaker 2: he's he's there like he does everything already. And I
Speaker 2: think that specifically is what like Jesse Minter's defense is
Speaker 2: going to require, is like those guys have to be
Speaker 2: able to process everything, and so it's gonna put a
Speaker 2: lot of mental tax on whoever is playing the position.
Speaker 2: I am curious if this maybe makes Eric Kendricks a
Speaker 2: more high priority to keep just because he is kind
Speaker 2: of that veteran presence there. There's a lot of things
Speaker 2: that can go into that position. You know, the charters
Speaker 2: that don't necessarily have a ton of cap resources to
Speaker 2: go sign a veteran linebacker, you know, they could certainly
Speaker 2: draft Junior Coulson, and I think that would help, you know,
Speaker 2: mitigate the translation risk. But it is gonna be really
Speaker 2: interesting because we've there's a lot of like cornerback and
Speaker 2: edge and ride receiver and tight end and like offensive tackle,
Speaker 2: but like we're not really talking a whole lot about
Speaker 2: linebacker in terms of drafting. So it is gonna be
Speaker 2: really interesting to see how much this defense really prioritizes
Speaker 2: that in terms of resources.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you haven't watched Michigan's defense yet, go do it.
Speaker 3: And the more you watch it, the more you love it.
Speaker 3: And go watch Coulson. Go watch number twenty five and
Speaker 3: see what he does. Because and I tweeted this earlier,
Speaker 3: I had only watched two games up until that point,
Speaker 3: but I'd not seen a linebacker have to do so
Speaker 3: much and cover so much ground him. He will start
Speaker 3: on the outside of one tackle and then have to
Speaker 3: go defend the opposite hash against another receiver. And you
Speaker 3: can tell the defense, you know, whether it's a linebackers,
Speaker 3: ed rushers, corner, safeties, whatever, it's so taxing and so
Speaker 3: difficult for these quarterbacks to have to deal with. You
Speaker 3: can tell that at Like, I'll watch the Alabama game.
Speaker 3: There were so many times the checked on option or
Speaker 3: someone in a cross or whatever. It was there, But
Speaker 3: Michigan did a great job of confusing things, confusing the protection,
Speaker 3: you know, sending five against five and just finding ways
Speaker 3: to get those one on ones and beat those one
Speaker 3: on ones. It was so difficult for the quarterbacks to
Speaker 3: keep up. So, yeah, it's a fun watch. There was
Speaker 3: to go watch the defense after having watched this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: It definitely makes sense why the Ravens defense was like
Speaker 2: really good, and then once they added rocon Smith, it
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, this is the potentially the best defense
Speaker 2: in the league. And Roquan's you know, one of the
Speaker 2: three best linebackers in the league. Is a freak athlete,
Speaker 2: but he can do everything from a mental standpoint as well,
Speaker 2: and so having that in the middle of the defense
Speaker 2: that can really just take on everything that the coaches
Speaker 2: are asking them. It's gonna be curious to see how
Speaker 2: the Chargers find that.
Speaker 1: Is that developing day on? Is that drafting Junior Colson?
Speaker 1: Is it signing somebody.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they really signed somebody like a high
Speaker 2: level linebacker contract like Patrick Queen just because of the resources.
Speaker 2: But they're definitely gonna need a true like linebacker one
Speaker 2: and I think that is kind of more of an
Speaker 2: important offseason question mark than it was previously, at least
Speaker 2: for me personally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, And I'm really curious how then
Speaker 3: the Chargers go about addressing defensive tackle again. Is it
Speaker 3: guys on their roster?
Speaker 1: Is it a free agent? Is it a draft pick?
Speaker 3: Because you look at Mazzie Smith last year than Chris
Speaker 3: Jenkins this past year. Is probably gonna go about in
Speaker 3: the second round of this upcoming draft. Those guys aren't
Speaker 3: necessarily pass rushers. They can, but it's more of like
Speaker 3: a second thing that they can sort of do. They're
Speaker 3: not designated rushers like Morgan Fox is definitely more of
Speaker 3: a pass rusher, Jenkins, Mazzie Smith. You trust them more
Speaker 3: to hold up against the run. So I'm very curious
Speaker 3: how the Chargers go about a dressing that position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Now they have Otito and Christopher Hinson who played at Michigan,
Speaker 2: but it is definitely a position room that needs some
Speaker 2: depth there. And then for me, I like the excitement
Speaker 2: for Derwin James this year. Like I know that he
Speaker 2: did not have a super positive season last year, and
Speaker 2: I think even he would, you know, tell you about
Speaker 2: some frustrations. But the possibilities of this Jesse Winter defense.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see him play way more on
Speaker 2: the slot this year. I think we're going to see
Speaker 2: him play in the box way more this year. And
Speaker 2: I think he's just gonna be around the football more often.
Speaker 2: And I think that's how you maximize Drwin right now,
Speaker 2: is get him closer to the line of scrimmage, let
Speaker 2: him cover tight ends, let him blitz, let him stop
Speaker 2: the run, and just let him get after it. And
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see how Jesse Minter does that, and
Speaker 2: I think that will free up you know, the possibilities
Speaker 2: of Durwin getting back to that blue chip player that
Speaker 2: we saw previously before last season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching Mike Saine Ristill for Michigan number zero, great player,
Speaker 3: super exciting player. Derman James is obviously just a little
Speaker 3: bit different. I mean that respectfully to basically any defensive
Speaker 3: back you could watch, They're not Derwin James. Idea that
Speaker 3: he could go out there and it's one thing to
Speaker 3: send Derwin James on a blitz, having blitz up the middle,
Speaker 3: having blitz on the edge, whatever like. You can do that.
Speaker 3: Of course you would do that, but it's the specific
Speaker 3: way mentor can disguise those blitzes and dial certain things up.
Speaker 3: And you saw against the Chargers it looked like they
Speaker 3: were gonna rush seven and then two guys half rushed
Speaker 3: and then oh they came back and oh they were
Speaker 3: playing the run. Yeah, then they dropped back. It was
Speaker 3: so confusing just to watch that one and imagine that
Speaker 3: every single play. Not that you're always sending Derwin James,
Speaker 3: but the threat is always there. You have to find him,
Speaker 3: and the idea that just occasionally I'm going to send him,
Speaker 3: or it's Henley or its Kendricks or whatever, is really
Speaker 3: exciting and by the way again, we have we have Mac,
Speaker 3: we have to these guys tremendous ed rushes for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whatever said, So that was that was a great Like
Speaker 2: I said, I learned it on.
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