Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into another episode of the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Football Dynasty Podcast. I am Ryan Warmley, joined today by
Speaker 1: Scott Bogman and not by Pat Fitzmorris. We were joined
Speaker 1: by a guest that Fitz was kind enough to book,
Speaker 1: who is even smarter than he is. It's Cody Carpentier
Speaker 1: of Roster Watch. Cody, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us today, boys.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me on. And that's a pretty
Speaker 2: high bar you just sent right there. That's one of
Speaker 2: the goats, that's one of the OG's Pat Fitzmorris, So
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys having me on.
Speaker 1: Fits is enjoying a well deserved vacation this week, so
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to have Cody on in his stead. Today.
Speaker 1: We are doing a Dynasty rookie three round mock draft.
Speaker 1: That's the entire show. We're just going through thirty six
Speaker 1: picks here. You know, twelve team league super flex. We're
Speaker 1: not doing tight in premium. We're not doing anything like that.
Speaker 1: Just straightforward rookie mock draft here. So we'll get through
Speaker 1: our top thirty six players. Just so everybody knows who's listening.
Speaker 1: You can find all of our early twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: consensus rankings and tiers at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.
Speaker 1: From there, you can also navigate to our staff rookie
Speaker 1: rankings as well on the site. I'll be relying heavily
Speaker 1: on those staff rookie rankings since I am not quite
Speaker 1: the expert that Bogman and Cody are, but I will
Speaker 1: try to do my best to keep up here. As
Speaker 1: Cody is the guest, we have given him the first pick,
Speaker 1: I'll be picking second, Bogman third. We're not like sneaking
Speaker 1: it or anything. We're going one two three, one two three,
Speaker 1: one two three. Who we would take at these slots
Speaker 1: makes sense?
Speaker 3: Can we trade picks? That's what That's what I want
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I don't. I don't want to deal
Speaker 1: with tracking Matt, So I'm going to say there are
Speaker 1: no trades in this buck. Maybe we'll do one later
Speaker 1: in draft.
Speaker 4: Well, the Ravens, I mean, your strategy should be just
Speaker 4: sit where you are and shake whoever the best player is.
Speaker 3: Available, because that's what the Ravens do.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, and it's it's worked out well for them,
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part. So I'll try and
Speaker 1: emulate that strategy. We will. We will dive right in
Speaker 1: here at the very top, so Cody kick us away
Speaker 1: with the first overall pick.
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'd like to offer my first overall
Speaker 2: pick to Scott. I want all three of your picks,
Speaker 2: and then we'll I'm just kidding, numb, I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: out first and foremost number one overall. I have to
Speaker 2: go with Caleb Williams at this point.
Speaker 5: The combine this coming week is going to tell us.
Speaker 2: I think a little bit about the process for Caleb,
Speaker 2: as well as the other quarterbacks, Drake Man and Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2: As far as the NFL landing spots, I think that
Speaker 2: Atlanta's spot, if they do go after a quarterback and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be one of these top end guys, is
Speaker 2: gonna is gonna potentially be a game changer in fantasy football.
Speaker 2: If if a Jade and Daniels or Drake me Lanza
Speaker 2: ellis sorry at Atlanta, I think there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of arguments about putting one of these guys at
Speaker 2: number one overall. But right now, the things we know today,
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams looks like the boner fight number one overall
Speaker 2: pick in the NFL draft to the Chicago Bears. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with him here, number one overall in superflex.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you, Cody, how close is it? Because
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of super flex mocks where Harrison
Speaker 4: still goes number one. I think he is probably the
Speaker 4: safest of all the prospects here at how is it
Speaker 4: razor thin?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Because of super flex? Is that Caleb by a mile?
Speaker 3: And you know, just like.
Speaker 4: What is what is the range between Marvin Harrison at
Speaker 4: this pick plus the other two quarterbacks who are also
Speaker 4: very good for me?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel really good about three of these wide receivers, Marvin, Melik, Neighbors,
Speaker 2: and Robadenze. And because it's super flex, I leaned towards
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, and my first two picks would be quarterback quarterback,
Speaker 2: and Drake may currently number two in that conversation, I think,
Speaker 2: like I mentioned before, Daniels, the conversation has risen quickly.
Speaker 2: You go back to October, before the real hype started.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even in the second round of mock drafts.
Speaker 2: Then he was in second round in like November, and
Speaker 2: now it's all of a sudden top five overall. So
Speaker 2: when the draft does come around, it if he lands
Speaker 2: potentially in Atlanta, like I mentioned before, he could vaulted himself,
Speaker 2: I believe, ahead of a Marvin, ahead of a Milk
Speaker 2: neighbors as well. So for me, it's I'm rolling quarterback
Speaker 2: quarterback as it stands, got you, Bog.
Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb would have been your pick as well,
Speaker 1: right box, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's a little closer for me.
Speaker 4: And the reason I would have taken Caleb over because
Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of like last season when Anthony
Speaker 4: Richardson was you know, for the NFL he's firmly third,
Speaker 4: but for fantasy because he offers the rushing upside, he
Speaker 4: was one. I think the difference here is exactly what
Speaker 4: Cody was talking about, is that Drake May and Caleb
Speaker 4: Williams were one and two coming into the process and
Speaker 4: still are. So I think they're just so much safer
Speaker 4: than Jane Daniels, who was very good, obviously won the
Speaker 4: Heisman and everything, but he is somewhat of a one
Speaker 4: year wonder, which we've seen more of those guys playing
Speaker 4: out in the NFL. So I just think it's safer
Speaker 4: it's still a super flex. Like Cody said, so I'm
Speaker 4: still going quarterback with the first two picks.
Speaker 1: I'm up with pick number two. If I was in
Speaker 1: a situation where I was absolutely loaded at receiver and
Speaker 1: needed a quarterback, given it superflex, I would you know,
Speaker 1: consider Daniels or May or whoever my QB two of choices.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to overcomplicate things. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: take Marvin Harrison Junior. I mean, we kind of throw
Speaker 1: the generational label around a lot, Like b John Robinson
Speaker 1: was a generational running back, Kyle Pitts is a generational
Speaker 1: tight end. Robert Harrison Junior sure seems like a generational
Speaker 1: wide receiver. There are other guys that are very very
Speaker 1: close to him in this class as well. So it's
Speaker 1: such an exciting class for that reason. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to overcomplicate it. I think these are
Speaker 1: gonna be one and two in most you know, rookie
Speaker 1: drafts that you see around, you know, barring some sort
Speaker 1: of individual team need being you know, on the extreme.
Speaker 4: But I'll take Carrison Junior at two For me at three,
Speaker 4: I'll go ahead and take Drake May. I think once again,
Speaker 4: you know, Jay Daniels has a higher ceiling. I think
Speaker 4: we have to admit that, we have to understand that.
Speaker 4: And he is going to be taken third. So maybe
Speaker 4: there's something to it where I mean I think he's
Speaker 4: gonna be taken third.
Speaker 3: He could go second. We've seen that in MOX.
Speaker 4: I still think Drake May is so much safer that
Speaker 4: I Am going to rely on him and his skill.
Speaker 4: And he also rushes, he's not you know, Caleb really
Speaker 4: moves from side to side. He doesn't go north south
Speaker 4: that much. He's in the pocket. He's moving the pocket.
Speaker 4: He's manipulating. May designed runs, lots of Design runs, and
Speaker 4: that is the plan a lot of the time. When
Speaker 4: he takes one look down the field, he doesn't see
Speaker 4: anything he likes and he runs. He had a lot
Speaker 4: of those. He can be utilized in urpo as well.
Speaker 4: And just quarterbacks in general in a superflex are just
Speaker 4: worth so much more because of the simple math. Thirty
Speaker 4: two jobs. Right, there's three wide receivers on every team.
Speaker 4: There's two running backs on most teams in terms of
Speaker 4: like starters, so you know there's only thirty two of
Speaker 4: these shobs. Three or four of those are kind of questionable.
Speaker 4: I mean, who's the starter for Pittsburgh, right? You know,
Speaker 4: plenty of teams kind of have that musical chair as
Speaker 4: a quarterback. There's really twenty eight of them. So the
Speaker 4: bigger your league in a super flex, the more quarterbacks
Speaker 4: hold value. So there's a lot of good skill position
Speaker 4: players here, especially a wide receiver and Brock Bowers a
Speaker 4: tight end.
Speaker 3: But I still have to stick with the QB. So
Speaker 3: give me Drake May.
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. It's a
Speaker 1: really fascinating section of rookie drafts right here. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see one and two pretty similar,
Speaker 1: but the order between Drake May. You know again Jayden
Speaker 1: Daniels with that seiling scene, what the landing spot is,
Speaker 1: and Malik Neighbors. So, I know, Cody, you're really high
Speaker 1: on in sort of this three four five rage. I'm
Speaker 1: really curious to see how it plays that not only today,
Speaker 1: but in you know, really all rookie max and real
Speaker 1: drafts going forward. Cody, who are you taking it for?
Speaker 2: This is a This is a tough conversation for me,
Speaker 2: and I've been on Jayden Daniels the last couple of
Speaker 2: weeks and I actually had a conversation with somebody earlier
Speaker 2: today and it's just leaning me more towards Malik as
Speaker 2: I'm like, like, that's why I love doing so many shows,
Speaker 2: because people are asking you different questions and you get
Speaker 2: to really think about your process more in depth. And
Speaker 2: you're like, well, if I already think about this in
Speaker 2: this way, why don't I have this guy ranked in
Speaker 2: the spot? And so I'm taking Malik Neighbors here at
Speaker 2: pick number four. Overall, Malik Neighbors, you talk about other
Speaker 2: players in the class, Malachi Corley is known as the
Speaker 2: Yak King. Seventy percent of his yards came after the
Speaker 2: catch over his career. Malik Neighbors had forty one percent
Speaker 2: of his yards come after the catch as well. He's
Speaker 2: a player coming from LSU. But you know he fits
Speaker 2: the ARC type build, which is not Yesteryear's build of
Speaker 2: the sixty four to two hundred and twenty five pound
Speaker 2: wide receiver.
Speaker 5: He fits the six.
Speaker 2: Foot two hundred pound everybody you can think of that
Speaker 2: it's finished Top ten and Fantasy Points over the course
Speaker 2: of the last decade. You know, whether it is Odell Beckham,
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, Justin Jefferson Elman, Russein Brown. He fits that
Speaker 2: arc type and that ability. I think he has elite acceleration,
Speaker 2: change the direction at the catch point, and I think
Speaker 2: yards perol Runn. He was number one this year. I
Speaker 2: love Malik Neighbors. I think he's the safest wide receiver
Speaker 2: in the class to draft. I know that's maybe a
Speaker 2: hot take. Marvin Harrison's a really really good wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I think he's the best. But the safest in the class,
Speaker 2: I believe is my Milik Neighbors. I'm gonna take him
Speaker 2: here at four ahead of Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 1: Cody, if Jaye Daniels had gone three, if that's where
Speaker 1: Bogs are gone, just kind of aiming for that rushing upside.
Speaker 1: Would you have taken Neighbors over May or would you
Speaker 1: have taken May?
Speaker 5: I would have taken May.
Speaker 2: May is like like I mentioned before, I have it
Speaker 2: Caleb and Drake, Drake and Caleb. That's kind of where
Speaker 2: my one two sits right now, and that value of
Speaker 2: getting Drake at four would be I would like.
Speaker 3: That is Neighbor is closer to Uh.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think because of what you said, he's
Speaker 4: closer to Marvin than he is O Dunes Day right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, correct, this is a it's it's to be
Speaker 2: honest with you. This is again, this is people don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about this stuff. This is you know,
Speaker 2: the conversation that gets I didn't even try to lure
Speaker 2: people in on Twitter. I just asked the question, why
Speaker 2: isn't Malik Neighbors closer to the conversation with with Marv?
Speaker 2: And people came after it. And the point more so
Speaker 2: is giving the respect to Malik Neighbors what he brings
Speaker 2: to the table. If there's no Marvin, Malik is in
Speaker 2: that conversation, Malik's already in the conversation to be fourth
Speaker 2: or fifth in this draft. Marvin just happens to be
Speaker 2: there at three. Malik is a special, special, special talent.
Speaker 2: And I believe it's in that same conversation. I have
Speaker 2: them one, one and one. I don't have I don't
Speaker 2: have a number two in the class. I have one
Speaker 2: in one and my man Alex Dunlap at roster Watch.
Speaker 2: You know, he calls me a coward for that, for
Speaker 2: not picking one. But That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 5: I don't I'm not ready to.
Speaker 4: You know, it's February. You don't have to have your
Speaker 4: final grade on these guys. We haven't even hit the
Speaker 4: combine quick exactly.
Speaker 2: I think it's more of a positive towards neighbors, though
Speaker 2: I don't want that to be any detraction towards Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 2: because Marvin Harrison is a special, special talent, but I
Speaker 2: believe Malik is in the same category.
Speaker 1: Is there a landing spot scenario where you could see
Speaker 1: yourself preferring Neighbors to Harrison and Roka drafts, like, like,
Speaker 1: let's say that Patriots pass up a quarterback, so Harrison
Speaker 1: gets kind of stuck there without a clear quarterback option,
Speaker 1: and Neighbors goes to either Arizona with Kyler or even
Speaker 1: Los Angeles wink Herbert, would you maybe have Neighbors ahead
Speaker 1: of Harrison in your rookie drafts?
Speaker 2: Bingo, Bingo, Yes, I mean, and that's not knowing what
Speaker 2: New England does a quarterback. If New England takes Marv
Speaker 2: and let's say they you know, they tried to go
Speaker 2: get Kirk or Russ, or maybe they wait till round
Speaker 2: two and they get a bon Nix, Like, we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens. What that trajectory looks like for Marvin as
Speaker 2: a rookie. But if Malik goes to Arizona sign me
Speaker 2: up every day of the week, that's really going to
Speaker 2: be the situation for fantasy football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm taking Jayden Daniels with the fifth pick. It
Speaker 1: was just it was gonna be whichever of these five
Speaker 1: guys got to me at five. I was going to
Speaker 1: take obviously high up with the rushing ability, Heisman, you know,
Speaker 1: winner this last year, has improved every year in college
Speaker 1: a long time. But a really really fun player to
Speaker 1: watch last season and kind of an easy pick for
Speaker 1: me here given the super flex nature of it. So
Speaker 1: I'll send us back to Bogman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I like that pick, and I think
Speaker 4: at this point it might be the obvious pick being
Speaker 4: super flex for sure. And I mean Malik Neighbors. Every
Speaker 4: single time I watch Malik Neighbors, I like him a
Speaker 4: little bit more. And it's that it's that like Antonio
Speaker 4: Brown like ability, where he doesn't slow down, he doesn't
Speaker 4: slow down through breaks, his change of direction is unbelievably fast.
Speaker 4: He does contested catching better than Marvin, who doesn't really
Speaker 4: do that well. So I'm yeah, these are all good picks.
Speaker 4: I think the next pick for me at six, it
Speaker 4: has to be Brock Bauers, and it's you know, I
Speaker 4: know tight end is a little shaky. I know it's
Speaker 4: a little scary, especially after k we were all in
Speaker 4: on Kyle Pitts. I was all over Kyle Pitts and
Speaker 4: it didn't work out right. But I think if you
Speaker 4: go to it brought brock Bauers lands pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 4: He is going to be the at least the number
Speaker 4: two receiving option on that team. So a difference maker
Speaker 4: like Travis Kelce right, He's gonna have to earn that.
Speaker 4: He's gonna have to make that happen. But I think
Speaker 4: brock Bauers immediately is a top five tight end. I
Speaker 4: think that he has the more potential than anyone else,
Speaker 4: even the guys that we saw that were amazing last year,
Speaker 4: Hawkinson Laporta. I think he has more upside than these guys.
Speaker 4: As a receiver, we saw him dominate. I've called him
Speaker 4: skinny shocky a bunch of times. I am just so
Speaker 4: enamored with this talent. You know, landing spot is gonna
Speaker 4: be huge for him, But just stick him in Tennessee
Speaker 4: and let Will Levis throw dumps to him all game,
Speaker 4: give him ten catches for a ninety six and a
Speaker 4: score every single game. I can see this line for him,
Speaker 4: all right. So I am super excited about what Brock
Speaker 4: Bowers brings to the table.
Speaker 1: Cody, it feels like sixth consensus is one and two
Speaker 1: is a kind of a tier in terms of how
Speaker 1: it's being drafted. Three, four, five kind of a tier,
Speaker 1: and six seven kind of a tier. Do you see
Speaker 1: it similarly? Are you going to take kind of the
Speaker 1: consensus seventh guy here? And do you see it breaking
Speaker 1: up in that way?
Speaker 2: I do see it come breaking up the same way.
Speaker 2: I think when you attack these rookie drafts, you just
Speaker 2: want to be in the top seven.
Speaker 5: I think that's the point online, period.
Speaker 2: If you can get into that top seven, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be happy, because even if you're sitting at seven, someone's
Speaker 2: gonna fall to you in some fashion. This time it's
Speaker 2: so Dunza. I've seen Bowers fall there. Hell, I was
Speaker 2: in a draft there night and May fell there. Because
Speaker 2: people prefer these receivers, it happens for you, and I
Speaker 2: think that's just being the top seven is gonna be
Speaker 2: where you want to be for me. I don't have Bowers,
Speaker 2: you know, I have him in the next tier just
Speaker 2: because it's the start of the tight end. I don't
Speaker 2: like spinning that high a draft capital on him. I
Speaker 2: do think he's gonna be a little light, but I
Speaker 2: understand exactly why he's coming off right there wholeheartedly. But
Speaker 2: my guy's gonna be Roma Dunzee, the wide receiver from
Speaker 2: Ohio from from Washington sorry, one hundred and sixty seven
Speaker 2: receptions the last two years, seventy five percent contested catch
Speaker 2: sorry contested catches on targets, and his game speed is
Speaker 2: a little faster than when I think he's gonna run
Speaker 2: the combine.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure he runs in the four to threes.
Speaker 2: I think he's probably gonna be more of a four
Speaker 2: for four guy, but his game speed reminds me a
Speaker 2: lot of Jamar and Chase, and I think he is
Speaker 2: the clearcut wide receiver three in this class. And I'm
Speaker 2: excited to get him here at number seven.
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Speaker 1: one making the picket eight because it's such an interesting spot.
Speaker 1: Right there's such a clear top seven, and maybe you
Speaker 1: have a favorite of this next batch of wide receivers
Speaker 1: you want, maybe you're desperate for a running back, and
Speaker 1: we end up liking the landing spot of one of
Speaker 1: these guys. I'm gonna play the draft Capitol game, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to give a little bit of trust in
Speaker 1: deebro and Thor, who I podcasted with earlier this week,
Speaker 1: who art could not be more all in on JJ McCarthy. Again,
Speaker 1: this is super flex with quarterback is just inherently more valuable.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's definitely trending towards like maybe pick
Speaker 1: eight with the Falcons. I know Thor would love to
Speaker 1: see him go to the Vikings. Some of these like
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing landing spots for a quarterback to go to.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite as gung ho about him as Debro is,
Speaker 1: for example, who has him QB two in the class
Speaker 1: and Cody, I'm really curious to kind of get your
Speaker 1: opinion of Thor and Debro being so high on McCarthy
Speaker 1: Deebro's quarterback rankings and everybody should tune into their NFL
Speaker 1: Draft show to hear them dive deeper on this. He
Speaker 1: has Jayden Daniels one, JJ McCarthy too, Caleb Williams three,
Speaker 1: and Drake May four, so he's very willing to go
Speaker 1: out on a limb there and not you know, kind
Speaker 1: of go against the grain obviously, Cody, you were somebody
Speaker 1: who kind of went against the green with will Levis
Speaker 1: just a year ago, so you're not afraid to do
Speaker 1: that either. What do you think about that ranking from
Speaker 1: Debro and Thor?
Speaker 2: Is that an NFL based ranking or is a Fantasy
Speaker 2: based It's.
Speaker 1: Kind of both. If you look at their rankings on
Speaker 1: our staff rankings page for fantasy, that is what it
Speaker 1: matches up. As they didn't fully expect Caleb to go higher,
Speaker 1: but Deebro was saying that he just really likes McCarthy
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the accuracy, the winning mentality, the build
Speaker 2: he brings to the tables a lot similar It's similar
Speaker 2: to Desmond Ritter, but he's I think he's more accurate.
Speaker 2: I think he's more athletic. Riddle's pretty athletic, and I
Speaker 2: think just as far as being a winner, accurate, being
Speaker 2: able to push that ball downfield when he needs to,
Speaker 2: they really didn't need him to do that stuff in
Speaker 2: Michigan this past year. So I completely get it. And
Speaker 2: I think you're going to continue to see the JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy rise in ADP and these super flex drafts, and
Speaker 2: you can see him, I believe, get all the way
Speaker 2: up to being ahead of that guys. We just talked
Speaker 2: about Bowers and a Dunze to that Daniel's conversation, So
Speaker 2: I don't think Debro's off really at all. These four quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: the conversation is going to be tighter, and I believe
Speaker 2: at the Indian in Indianapolis next week, hopefully Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: decides to throw the football, but I think McCarthy, Daniels,
Speaker 2: may Nix, and Pennocks are all going to get to
Speaker 2: throw side by side, and it's really going to tell
Speaker 2: us the difference between these guys, and.
Speaker 5: I'm not against it.
Speaker 2: I have McCarthy at four, but that's kind of just
Speaker 2: chalk right now, and it's just where I'm holding Pat.
Speaker 5: But I really kind of.
Speaker 2: Hold the quarterback conversation until we get to Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I do think if he ends up going, let's say,
Speaker 1: to the Falcons at eight in that landing spot, I
Speaker 1: think it will become in his top eight in rookie drafts,
Speaker 1: not top seven, I think eight super flex drafts. Of course,
Speaker 1: Box he's your next pick.
Speaker 4: By the way, Cody, you know Kleban, can I throw
Speaker 4: projecting number one overall pick. There's no reason for him
Speaker 4: to do anything outside of interviews.
Speaker 2: So he's just going to bring it up on as
Speaker 2: mini shows as possible to hope that somehow it gets there.
Speaker 5: And he's like, man, maybe I should throw it there.
Speaker 4: You're manifesting it. You're manifesting it, not gonna have I
Speaker 4: love it now. Now, look, I think you made the
Speaker 4: absolute correct pick here, Warm especially the draft capitol pick.
Speaker 3: Right. We talked about it before.
Speaker 4: There's just a limited amount of fine amount of qbs
Speaker 4: that can start in the NFL. There are not thirty
Speaker 4: two caliber NFL starting quarterbacks in the league right now.
Speaker 4: Maybe there will be after this draft, but there aren't
Speaker 4: as as it stands right now. We watched a lot
Speaker 4: of bad quarterback play last year, So I think the
Speaker 4: McCarthy pick is a very very smart pick. I gave
Speaker 4: myself nine to put myself to the test here. Which
Speaker 4: of these wide receivers do I like the most? Really,
Speaker 4: and just looking at it my gut, I have to
Speaker 4: go with Troy Franklin. I mean, I just cannot get
Speaker 4: some of these acrobatic plays that he makes out of
Speaker 4: my head. He is so good downfield. I think he's
Speaker 4: going to be a little late in the process, so
Speaker 4: he could go to a team that already has a
Speaker 4: good QB Buffalo, Kansas City, somewhere like that. I think
Speaker 4: he's sitting pretty right now as this draft stock holds
Speaker 4: to end up in a very very good spot, and
Speaker 4: I just can't get He's got sized, he's got speed,
Speaker 4: he's got everything. Giganic catch radius. I think if you
Speaker 4: put him in last year's class, there's arguments for him
Speaker 4: to be the first wide receiver off the board. So
Speaker 4: you know, I think he's being a little overlooked because
Speaker 4: there's so much elite talent at the top, and Brian
Speaker 4: Thomas led the league, it led the country in receiving touchdowns.
Speaker 4: You know, Kean Coleman has the enormous size. There's two,
Speaker 4: you know, great prospects from my Longhorns. So but Troy
Speaker 4: Franklin is an absolute beast. He has everything you could
Speaker 4: want and I'm super excited to watch him in the NFL.
Speaker 4: So that's gonna be my pick at nine.
Speaker 1: I love Franklin. Prior to this rise from McCarthy, Franklin
Speaker 1: would have been my pick at at eight in a
Speaker 1: lot of these drafts, again separation from the top seven,
Speaker 1: but I really like Franklin. Cody, what do you think
Speaker 1: about him?
Speaker 5: Franklin was my pick there.
Speaker 2: He's my wide receiver for in the class right now
Speaker 2: for fantasy football. And there I'm just going to couple
Speaker 2: it right into my pick, which is everything you said
Speaker 2: about Troy Franklin. I think works in favor of ad
Speaker 2: Ni Mitchell from Texas, four hundred and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 2: Outside of the speed, I don't think the speed is
Speaker 2: quite the same level, but the contortion ability that ed
Speaker 2: Ni Mitchell plays with, the red zone dependability and just
Speaker 2: straight up dog mentellity that he has. I watched him
Speaker 2: all year, Like I'm a long I don't want to
Speaker 2: say'm a Longhorn fan. I don't really want to say a.
Speaker 5: Fan of anybody. But I work for Orange Bloods dot com.
Speaker 5: So I just.
Speaker 2: Insane, yeah, V why they're right there. I just get
Speaker 2: insanely a large amount of delved into Longhorned football and
Speaker 2: every single week, and and I came up clutch in
Speaker 2: spots they needed him too. And I think the draft
Speaker 2: capital is gonna be a bit higher in the NFL draft.
Speaker 2: And just coupling that with a Troy Franklin, I think
Speaker 2: they're in the same tier. I think they're in the
Speaker 2: same conversation and Troy Franklin and reminds me a little
Speaker 2: of Devanta Smith.
Speaker 5: Rag Q didn't love that. I told him that last week.
Speaker 5: Didn't love it. But I'd like me some Troy.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting cop. Actually, I just
Speaker 1: I just did a rookie comps show with de Brow
Speaker 1: and Thor and it's funny because they are both very
Speaker 1: down on Mitchell, so it was it's kind of I
Speaker 1: love doing multiple shows with different points of view, kind
Speaker 1: of you alluded to Codey because you really get get
Speaker 1: to kind of learn a lot in hearing these different perspectives,
Speaker 1: because they both were much lower on Mitchell than his
Speaker 1: teammate Xavier Worthy. For example, what do you think about
Speaker 1: that Bogman as an actual Texas guy?
Speaker 4: Well, what's funny is Pat Actually he and I had
Speaker 4: like an offline conversation about this. He said, who do
Speaker 4: you like more of your Texas guys? And I said, well,
Speaker 4: I think if you're talking plug and play ready to
Speaker 4: go right now, it sad and I I think Mitchell
Speaker 4: is the guy right now. But I think if you're
Speaker 4: talking about ceiling, I think it has to be Worthy.
Speaker 4: If if Worthy has unteachable speed, that that's exactly what
Speaker 4: it is with him.
Speaker 3: So he doesn't. His routes are fine for what he's
Speaker 3: asked to do.
Speaker 4: But I just think with a little more you know, tinkering,
Speaker 4: you know, getting off the line, running a more complete
Speaker 4: route tree uh, snapping off some of those routes a
Speaker 4: little quicker, I think that he could be easily one
Speaker 4: of the best wide receivers in the league, not not
Speaker 4: just this class. So Worthy has a lot of talent too.
Speaker 4: By the way, Cody and I have I think the
Speaker 4: same chair and the same background here, and we're both
Speaker 4: Texas guys.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody should check out YouTube. You see that I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 3: With Year, but it has a lot of red in
Speaker 3: it too, so.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm also going to take a Longhorn. I've actually
Speaker 1: torn on which one I'm going to take. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I know, it's actually like kind of going against the
Speaker 1: grain in this year's class. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of time that there shouldn't be a running back in
Speaker 1: the first round. I'm gonna take Jonathan Brooks. I think
Speaker 1: he's RB one in the class. I think that would
Speaker 1: be a little even more obvious if not for the
Speaker 1: injury stuff. He can do a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: He catches past it. I mean, he's just a talented guy.
Speaker 1: And it's so hard because running backs are so like
Speaker 1: devalued in Dynasty right now, but you still need good
Speaker 1: running backs to win at the end of the first round.
Speaker 1: I think it's fine value. I'm happy to take. There
Speaker 1: shouldn't be three or four running backs in the first round,
Speaker 1: right I'm obviously give them the scope of the class,
Speaker 1: but I'm very happy to get Brooks Towards the end
Speaker 1: of the first round. And I don't know if I
Speaker 1: just broke, you know, broke Bogs is hard or not,
Speaker 1: because he does have another Longhurn he could take instead
Speaker 1: at pick twelve.
Speaker 4: I don't worry I will. I'll just go ahead and
Speaker 4: say it. I'm going to take Xavier Worthy as my
Speaker 4: last pick here. But I think, just expanding on your
Speaker 4: Brooks point, Cody, let me ask you this. If Brooks
Speaker 4: comes into the season healthy, into the process, the draft process, healthy,
Speaker 4: where does he go and by how big of a
Speaker 4: gap is he the number one running back? Because to me,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's really a question. He's definitely the
Speaker 4: number one running back if he's healthy coming in And
Speaker 4: how high does he go?
Speaker 2: If he comes into the well he wins the Doak
Speaker 2: Walker Award, which wild because then Texas would have back
Speaker 2: to back Doak Walker Award winners. Unfortunately he didn't get
Speaker 2: to do that. I'm not sure how fast he runs.
Speaker 2: I've had that conversation with a lot of people. Whether
Speaker 2: he runs. Some people think he was in runner four,
Speaker 2: four or five. Some people think he's a four to
Speaker 2: six to two guy. I think he's somewhere in between
Speaker 2: there in like the four five two four or five
Speaker 2: four year, which is just fine for his building.
Speaker 4: I don't think it matters when you're the most elusive
Speaker 4: running back in the class, so.
Speaker 2: Correct, And I think he reminds me a lot of
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard, and I think he is clearly the number
Speaker 2: one in this class if he's healthy. For me, really,
Speaker 2: it's just he and Braylen Allen in the class overall
Speaker 2: at the running back position. That's the top two for me.
Speaker 2: And of course part of the Brillian Allen thing is
Speaker 2: just what he brings the table from a size perspective,
Speaker 2: from a speed perspective, how he runs the football, and
Speaker 2: his age in fantasy football. So I think some of
Speaker 2: those things come into conversation. But so the gap is
Speaker 2: close for me. I have Allen number one because of
Speaker 2: the injury and the age that does favor Allen, and
Speaker 2: the size and things of that nature. But again, to
Speaker 2: answer your question, it would be the inverse. It would
Speaker 2: be Brooks number one. By you know, as far as
Speaker 2: we're talking dynasty value, by probably four or five slots
Speaker 2: overall in dynasty at the running back position.
Speaker 1: I think I might go as high as Brooks with
Speaker 1: the tenth pick. I wouldn't take him over like Troy Franklin,
Speaker 1: who I just really really adore. But again, I think
Speaker 1: as last three picks to the first, it's fairly justifiable.
Speaker 1: So Cody, you are back. Actually, let me give a
Speaker 1: quick recap here. So round one, we went from one
Speaker 1: to twelve. Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison, Junior, Drake May, Malik Neighbors,
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, Brock Bowers, Roma Dunsa pretty clear top seven,
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy arguably a pretty clear number eight, Troy Franklin
Speaker 1: at nine, Ady Mitchell at ten, Jonathan Brooks at eleven,
Speaker 1: and Xavier Worthy at twelve. So Cody, you are back
Speaker 1: on the clock with the two to oh one.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in a pretty interesting spot where I could
Speaker 2: go ahead and take the fourth consecutive Longhorn, or I
Speaker 2: could add to my Caleb Williams team a second quarterback
Speaker 2: in a Bonnicks or a Pennix, but I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't really want to do that.
Speaker 2: What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 2: take that running back I just talked about Braylen Allen.
Speaker 2: I'm good taking him anywhere in this area.
Speaker 5: One twelve, two, one, two oh two.
Speaker 2: Brailn Allen, the running back out of Wisconsin, two and
Speaker 2: thirty five pounds, six foot two, should have had, you know,
Speaker 2: three consecutive thousand yard rushing seasons, not of course, in
Speaker 2: the level of Jonathan Taylor's you know, three times two
Speaker 2: thousand output at Wisconsin. But Breylon Allen's a really good
Speaker 2: running back. Reminds me in between the tackles of Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 2: He did put the ball on the ground nine times
Speaker 2: in college, four times this season, and in the receiving game,
Speaker 2: you know, it's he's adequate, He's fine. He grew year
Speaker 2: after year after year, and in the open field, I
Speaker 2: think the contract like better than the Zeke and Zeke.
Speaker 2: I'd really just see him between the decos, the way
Speaker 2: he runs the football, but really as a runner, I
Speaker 2: see a lot of Todd Gurley in Braylen Allen, and
Speaker 2: Allen's a little bit bigger than Todd Gurley. So Brillan
Speaker 2: Allen's my RB one and I'm gonna get him. Heret
Speaker 2: to two to one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have considered Alan. I probably would have
Speaker 1: taken Alan with this next pick here at the two two.
Speaker 1: I really like him. I think Bogwin correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I'm higher on Alan than you and Fits
Speaker 1: both are right, You're not quite feeling it as much
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe not maybe not Fits because he is
Speaker 4: the badger aside. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but yeah, I'm not
Speaker 4: really high on Braylan Allen. I thought he was slow.
Speaker 4: Now Cody is absolutely right. He's young, he has a
Speaker 4: lot of chances, and I'm a little afraid of his
Speaker 4: open field prowess as well, because it looks like he
Speaker 4: goes out of his way to hit someone, like he
Speaker 4: really doesn't want to not be hit. He finds the
Speaker 4: safety and runs towards him instead of away from him
Speaker 4: because he wants to run him over. He's just just
Speaker 4: take the green man. So there's there's a little bit
Speaker 4: of I just think there's so much variance for Alan
Speaker 4: because it's like, you know, if he does pick up
Speaker 4: the pace and he does, you know, learn a little
Speaker 4: more on the job, he could be an absolute monster
Speaker 4: because of his size. But if he's too slow, he
Speaker 4: turns into you know, one of a thousand big backs
Speaker 4: that can't do anything in the league. Right, So that's
Speaker 4: there's just too much variance in for me to invest
Speaker 4: in him this high, so I wouldn't have this high,
Speaker 4: but he is. I mean, he's got a lot of potential.
Speaker 4: It's very big back.
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Speaker 1: find out why some of our picks today are right
Speaker 1: or wrong in the eyes of Debro and Thor. I
Speaker 1: am back on the clock here at the two or two.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I probably would have taken Alan if
Speaker 1: he had been available. I'm gonna make a pick that
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to get Cody's opinion on. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take Ladd McConkie. This is somebody who he gets open.
Speaker 1: He has performed. I know he had some injury stuff,
Speaker 1: I really like I just saw I think it was
Speaker 1: yesterday actually on Twitter, Daniel Jeremiah was evaluating cornerbacks and
Speaker 1: he said basically had the same note for every one
Speaker 1: of them, which was struggled against Ladd McConkie Sea out
Speaker 1: of Georgia. Just the type of receiver that I am
Speaker 1: really drawn to typically, you know, in terms of both
Speaker 1: real life and in terms of fantasy. I think he
Speaker 1: can catch, you know, just a ton of passes in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I think he could sneak into the
Speaker 1: back of the first round and again get paired with
Speaker 1: one of these MVP level quarterbacks that are picking in
Speaker 1: the back end. So I really like mccakey and and Cody.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm curious what your opinion is on
Speaker 1: that pick. You know, in this spot, one of.
Speaker 2: My favorite notes through the draft process and going through
Speaker 2: all these guys was I found one of Kirby Smart
Speaker 2: saying if it wasn't for YouTube, I wouldn't know who
Speaker 2: Lad was. I was at a camp and I was
Speaker 2: watching one of our cornerbacks and he was making him
Speaker 2: look like we shouldn't be recruiting him, and I thought
Speaker 2: I was just like blown away because He's like, we
Speaker 2: didn't know who this little white kid was and he
Speaker 2: was making, you know, one of our four or five
Speaker 2: star cornerbacks look like he didn't deserve to be out there.
Speaker 2: I think Lad mccakay's super interesting. I don't quite want to,
Speaker 2: you know, he did a great job at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: I don't quite want to put him on the expectation,
Speaker 2: you know, track of a tank dell because he doesn't
Speaker 2: skate quite that way, but his routes are so uh,
Speaker 2: you know, herky jerky and so you know, crisp at
Speaker 2: the at the cut point to change directions that I
Speaker 2: think he's going to translate pretty well to the NFL.
Speaker 2: And like you said, he's gonna end up in an
Speaker 2: offense that's gonna be h on the on the north
Speaker 2: side of the NFL where it's it's not going to
Speaker 2: be one of these poor offenses that is a bad
Speaker 2: quarterback or a bad situation. He's going to be in
Speaker 2: a good spot. I like Lad McConkie. He's one of
Speaker 2: the tougher ones I think to rank in the entire
Speaker 2: class because I think there's eighteen nineteen wide receivers that
Speaker 2: are good in the entire class, and quite frankly, when
Speaker 2: you start getting too eight to nineteen, it's kind of
Speaker 2: tough to put guys in places.
Speaker 1: Bog mean, it looks like you're taking another wide receiver
Speaker 1: here with the two of three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm close on Brian Thomas and Troy Franklin.
Speaker 4: I think it's very close between those two guys. So,
Speaker 4: you know, just unteachable talent here as well size and speed.
Speaker 4: You put it together. He has everything that is unteachable,
Speaker 4: so just teach him the rest right that that is
Speaker 4: kind of getting. We're getting traits that that's what we're
Speaker 4: buying here, and he already has done it. We've seen
Speaker 4: him produce at LSU. Obviously there are questions, can you
Speaker 4: do this by yourself right if you're a guy like
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas, or do you need a guy like Malik
Speaker 4: Nighbers Do you need to be a number two? So
Speaker 4: there are more questions on Brian Thomas than there are
Speaker 4: the top end talent in this tier. You know, there
Speaker 4: isn't even that talent I think with Mitchell and Worthy
Speaker 4: so much at least not worthy, you know, because he
Speaker 4: did it by himself before. So I think that Brian
Speaker 4: Thomas is a stud and once again a lot like
Speaker 4: Troy Franklin. He is one of these guys that seems
Speaker 4: to be a borderline first and second round pick, which
Speaker 4: means you could be going to a spot like, you know,
Speaker 4: put him in Cincinnati with Joe Burrow and Jamaar Chase
Speaker 4: on the other side, bring the LSU crew back right.
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be an amazing spot for him.
Speaker 4: Or if he lands in like Carolina, you're instantly the
Speaker 4: number one and you're getting peppered with targets every single game.
Speaker 4: So I think his landing spot right now, as it stands,
Speaker 4: is in a very good situation. I think he's a
Speaker 4: super talented guy, and that's what we're doing. We're taking
Speaker 4: traits here and Brian Thomas, one of my favorite wide
Speaker 4: receivers in this class.
Speaker 1: Could are you going with it to four?
Speaker 2: I think that the Brian Thomas fault or slide does
Speaker 2: end right there at two of three, and that's a
Speaker 2: good spot to take him. I don't think he's deserving
Speaker 2: of the one to eight, one o nine conversation that
Speaker 2: he's getting. I think his game is a little volatile.
Speaker 2: I do believe that you mentioned Cincinnati, Dallas, Philly something
Speaker 2: like that he needs an offense that's going to be
Speaker 2: creative and utilize him downfield, that stretch ability, kind of
Speaker 2: like he was at LSU. That's that's that that would
Speaker 2: be the conversation to get me hyped up for Brian Thomas.
Speaker 5: But I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure that Carolina like some of these some of these
Speaker 2: scarier offenses that aren't creative and and don't know how
Speaker 2: to utilize some receivers. That that would turn me off
Speaker 2: a little bit for Brian Thomas. But two of four here,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna end the quarterback slide. I feel
Speaker 2: good about taking a bow Knicks at one twelve two one,
Speaker 2: kind of the same area I talked about Braylon Allen
Speaker 2: Nicks some conversations up to you know, the Saints pick
Speaker 2: in the first round, the Raiders pick in the first round,
Speaker 2: but also into the second round, and we'll see what
Speaker 2: happens on draft day. But right now, I feel good
Speaker 2: about what bow Knicks brings to the table. You know,
Speaker 2: most career starts in college football history, six year, sixty one,
Speaker 2: Bonnicks is going to get drafted in the top forty
Speaker 2: and I think he's going to be an opportunity to
Speaker 2: play in year one and definitely in year two. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Bonicks year at two o four and superflex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really curious when the next quarterback was
Speaker 1: going to go.
Speaker 4: I want to know, Cody, what do you think about
Speaker 4: the the opinion I've heard some of the draft of
Speaker 4: value waiters say, well, what about Auburn? What about that
Speaker 4: year he was so bad at Auburn? Why do we care?
Speaker 4: That was so long ago? Like you said, sixty starts like,
Speaker 4: what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: How about we just yeah, how about just like the
Speaker 2: fact that he played as a freshman and he's grown
Speaker 2: through those things, and it's it's not about where you started,
Speaker 2: it's where you're at. And he's in a pretty good spot,
Speaker 2: I'd say going into the NFL, Cody, what.
Speaker 1: Do you make of the fact that we have three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you know, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nicks, obviously Michael Paox
Speaker 1: will go at some point that have been in college
Speaker 1: for so long that are relevant names in this class.
Speaker 2: Honestly, honestly, honest answer, it scares me a little bit.
Speaker 2: Like the Knicks, the Penix, that that type of conversation
Speaker 2: with these guys that have played for so long because
Speaker 2: it's abnormal. It's not something we're used to. We're used
Speaker 2: to the guys that are you know, they fire off
Speaker 2: the year three or year four and they come out
Speaker 2: you know it. Technically, in a statistical standpoint, it should
Speaker 2: help them because, like I said, sixty starts is a
Speaker 2: lot different than Mitchell Trubisky's fifteen when he came out
Speaker 2: of North Carolina or maybe it was fourteen whatever. They're
Speaker 2: a lot more primed and ready to be in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But then also you ask the question, why do it
Speaker 2: take them so long to get to this point. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it'll be interesting to see what their career
Speaker 2: are actually look like in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm going to stop the key on Coleman slide. It's
Speaker 1: not really me planting my flag as like a Coleman guy.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of red flags you know that other
Speaker 1: people have rightfully pointed out, you know about kind of
Speaker 1: what he's bringing to the table. But the highlight reel
Speaker 1: is so fun. You know, some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: he can do with contested catches just looks like, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy like should be a stud And I wonder
Speaker 1: if he somehow, you know, gets in that back end
Speaker 1: of the first round. I know some people doesn't think
Speaker 1: he belongs there. But if if he gets paired up,
Speaker 1: if he's the receiver that the Chiefs end up going with, right,
Speaker 1: or if the Bills go after more with one of
Speaker 1: these again late first round teams, I'll be really interested
Speaker 1: to see what he looks like, you know, in in
Speaker 1: kind of a better offense with an elite quarterback. But
Speaker 1: I get why he's falling also because there's there's some
Speaker 1: fun stuff to watch, but there's also a lot of
Speaker 1: red flags.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coleman.
Speaker 4: Coleman is one of those guys where you know, that's
Speaker 4: the ultimate are you? Are you Mike Evans or you know,
Speaker 4: are you a jag? That's pretty much the speed. There's
Speaker 4: not a lot of in between there. Right, It's like
Speaker 4: you're you're winning with your size, you're dominating because of it.
Speaker 4: But are you fast enough to keep up? Can you
Speaker 4: make those contested catches in the NFL like you did
Speaker 4: against you know, the backup corners that wake forest and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, You know what I mean? The NFL
Speaker 4: is a different animal. If you can still do it
Speaker 4: at this level, you become a Michael Pittman and Drake London.
Speaker 4: You know, Mike Evans, one of those top tier, upper
Speaker 4: echelon wide receivers with eyes, if not your you know
Speaker 4: Alan Lazard, So you're a backup. You know that there's
Speaker 4: there's just not a lot of in between, which makes
Speaker 4: those guys riskier, which is why they fall. And I
Speaker 4: appreciate you stopping that fall because it means I can
Speaker 4: take Michael Penix and go back to my quarterback math
Speaker 4: here and look, Penix made me a believer obviously watching
Speaker 4: him just drop passes into an absolute bucket against Texas,
Speaker 4: absolute dimes. This guy was throwing in that game. It
Speaker 4: was probably his best game as a collegiate player. After
Speaker 4: some unbelievable games this guy has had. Didn't look as
Speaker 4: good against Michigan, Stock has dropped, didn't look good in
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl process. Stock has dropped. When we get
Speaker 4: to medicals next week, Stock could drop even a little
Speaker 4: bit more because he had an extensive injury history at Indiana.
Speaker 4: But I think this is a I'm gonna take Penix.
Speaker 4: I know he's probably gonna back up somewhere for a
Speaker 4: little bit. I'm hoping that place is Tampa Bay put
Speaker 4: him behind Baker Mayfield for an offense that all they
Speaker 4: want to do is pass the football the entire time.
Speaker 3: Let's do that. Let's get him there.
Speaker 4: Let's put him in Minnesota behind whoever ends up being
Speaker 4: the starter in Minnesota, right, Let's pair him with Kevin
Speaker 4: O'Connell or go to the Rams. I want him to
Speaker 4: sit for a year and then start. That's what I
Speaker 4: want for him, even as an older prospect. I want
Speaker 4: him to sit for a year and then start, and
Speaker 4: I think that's probably best case scenario for him. So
Speaker 4: let's stop the QB side of Pennix and move on
Speaker 4: from there.
Speaker 1: Cody, how how out of gap do you see between
Speaker 1: bow Knix and Michael Pennock. We talked on a recent
Speaker 1: show You Know with Fits how Michael Penix is one
Speaker 1: of those guys like that wink Martin Dale says, I
Speaker 1: can throw a strawberry through a battleship like the arm
Speaker 1: talent is insane. But again, obviously there's red flags there
Speaker 1: as well, Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten to this point.
Speaker 1: Do you see a pretty wide gap there between Pennix
Speaker 1: and you? Took bow Knicks a couple earlier.
Speaker 2: No, I don't really see a huge difference. I think
Speaker 2: they're gonna go pretty like just like this, but like
Speaker 2: nearly back to back picks in these super flex drafts.
Speaker 2: I think landing spot's going to be you know, I
Speaker 2: keep saying quarterback vision, but's how I really feel like.
Speaker 2: If a Penix does end up in a Minnesota type
Speaker 2: of a situation, they just give them the keys.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have a.
Speaker 2: Real conversation in our hands because that's a good spot
Speaker 2: to be in with Jefferson, Hawkinson and Addison, So I
Speaker 2: think that is something that could vault a Penix up
Speaker 2: as well as a Knicks. And quite honestly, the Senia Ble.
Speaker 2: These guys both disappointed in their own ways, and I
Speaker 2: think they just kind of fit into a bucket together.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's really much of a separation between
Speaker 2: the two.
Speaker 3: They do way different, but they do it about the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen of our first eighteen picks so far are
Speaker 1: either quarterbacks or wide receivers. There have been two running
Speaker 1: backs taken and one tight end. Are you continuing the
Speaker 1: pattern here, Cody, or are you going to take another
Speaker 1: running back?
Speaker 2: Or I'm going to end it here. I'm gonna end
Speaker 2: it here with a with a longhorn. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: Totavian Sanders. This is the area I take tight ends.
Speaker 2: I don't like taking tight ends in the first round.
Speaker 2: I'm just not a big fan of the idea. And
Speaker 2: Jatavian Sanders for me, is in Tier two by himself,
Speaker 2: by a clear The biggest as big as a tier
Speaker 2: is between Brock and Entertavian Sanders is the same distance.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's bigger between Gatavian and the next tight end.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take him here at the two oh seven,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to keep on chugging along. And
Speaker 2: you look at yak for the tight end position, Brock
Speaker 2: Bowers fifty eight percent of his career yards after the catch, sorry,
Speaker 2: fifty eight percent of his yards came after the catch
Speaker 2: in his career and Jatavian Sanders forty eight percent. So
Speaker 2: it's not really that big of a difference. And actually
Speaker 2: there's another tight end the class, jem Bell, that had
Speaker 2: a sixty nine percent number for that statistic, and that's
Speaker 2: something that I look at for the tight end position itself.
Speaker 2: Sanders has been great the last two years in Texas.
Speaker 1: Cody, do you think there will be We're only doing
Speaker 1: three rounds today. Do you think there will be any
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks or tight ends taken? Because it feels like
Speaker 1: there's kind of now a gap between at both those positions.
Speaker 1: With who's left, I.
Speaker 2: Will bet on zero tight ends and one quarterback.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was curious, what do you think about that box?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, zero tight ends, ah, two quarterbacks. I
Speaker 3: think By.
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Speaker 1: read thinking about who I wanted to take. Like you
Speaker 1: guys kind of alluded to very largely running backs and
Speaker 1: receiver heavy the rest of the way, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the third running back. I there's like three or four
Speaker 1: names that I actually feel like I could make a
Speaker 1: case for and will be interested in. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: Trey Benson just, you know, break so many tackles. He's
Speaker 1: another guy I think was talked about on that Polarizing
Speaker 1: Players episode with Debro and Thor where they are certainly
Speaker 1: in disagreement, but I love the tackle breaking ability. You know,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be red flags with any running backs the
Speaker 1: rest of the way, So I recognize that he's not
Speaker 1: a perfect prospect, but I'm gonna take the third running
Speaker 1: back off the board here and send it over to
Speaker 1: Boggs for the two to nine.
Speaker 4: I like Trey Benson, but we talked about him a
Speaker 4: little bit last week. I feel like he runs a
Speaker 4: little upright. There's a you know, I feel like he
Speaker 4: will break tackles if he's leaning right. But in the
Speaker 4: other scenarios he's kind of pushed over, kind of easily
Speaker 4: because his body weight is and distributed very well. Cody,
Speaker 4: what do you think about Trey Benson.
Speaker 5: I think Benson's very interesting.
Speaker 2: He had an incredible knee injury at Oregon and then
Speaker 2: transferred to Florida State. I was disappointed, I will say
Speaker 2: throughout the season I wanted to see him take that
Speaker 2: I felt like the RB one position in this class
Speaker 2: outside of Travan Henderson, who of course went back to
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I thought it was just on a silver
Speaker 2: platter handed to Trey Benson, and he just never took it.
Speaker 2: He just sent it back to the kitchen. And you know,
Speaker 2: when Jordan Travis went down at the latter part of
Speaker 2: the year, I was like, Okay, Benson, step it up.
Speaker 2: I want to see a buck sixty and three touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Take this thing, take this team to the college football
Speaker 2: playoff and kind of cement yourself. He just never did it,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of disappointed in that aspect. But I
Speaker 2: do think Benson's gonna test pretty well. There's rumors. I
Speaker 2: was listening to Rick Bielman the other day, I'm on
Speaker 2: a podcast, and he thinks that Benson's going to run
Speaker 2: in the low four fours. So I think that would
Speaker 2: be an interesting conver station at the running back position.
Speaker 4: It really would be. I'm gonna go ahead and take
Speaker 4: a running back as well. This is my favorite non
Speaker 4: Jonathan Brooks running back, of course as a homer and
Speaker 4: also just Brooks is amazing in this class. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take Bucky Irving, the running back out of Oregon. I
Speaker 4: do think that Bucky Irving is role specific, right, I
Speaker 4: do think that he has to fit in a certain offense.
Speaker 4: This pick is probably just me dreaming about how good
Speaker 4: he would look in Philly if you put him in
Speaker 4: Philly next to Jalen Hurts, ringing that RPO. He can
Speaker 4: catch those quick short passes from Jalen Hurts as well.
Speaker 4: I just have these visions of Irving going nuts dancing
Speaker 4: in my head. I think he would be a better
Speaker 4: version of what they had from Swift last year. Explosive player.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he has elite level speed. He's
Speaker 4: very very fast, but I don't know that he is
Speaker 4: Devin a Chan fast, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: think he is maybe singletary ish in that regard. But
Speaker 4: I think he's a very good running back. I think
Speaker 4: he fits very well in certain schemes, and I think
Speaker 4: one of those teams is likely to draft him so
Speaker 4: he fits so depending on where he goes. There's gonna
Speaker 4: be a lot of variants for all these running backs.
Speaker 4: But I think Bucky may not be a twenty touch
Speaker 4: a game guy, but he's a guy that's gonna break
Speaker 4: a couple of big runs and has some huge games
Speaker 4: for you. So I'm Bucky Irving fan for sure, and
Speaker 4: that's who I'm gonna take in the spot.
Speaker 1: Cody, we're at the two ten three picks left in
Speaker 1: the second round. Who you taking?
Speaker 2: This is an easy one for me. This is one
Speaker 2: of my guys. This is the range where I just
Speaker 2: start taking guys I want on my team, guys I
Speaker 2: think project well. And that's Javon Baker out of Central Florida,
Speaker 2: wide receiver I think he's a great route runner, sudden
Speaker 2: in and out of breaks at a high level.
Speaker 5: I think his ball.
Speaker 2: Skills are second to few in the class. He said
Speaker 2: an interesting career super high high as he you know,
Speaker 2: was part of a championship team at Alabama, transferred out
Speaker 2: and went for a thousand yards a Central Florida one
Speaker 2: Big Twelve All Big Twelve player this past season. He's
Speaker 2: probably gonna go in the third round of the NFL draft,
Speaker 2: and I think he has This is gonna people are
Speaker 2: gonna hate this, but he's got an ability to have
Speaker 2: a career arc like a Stefan Diggs who was a
Speaker 2: fourth round pick after being a high, highly recruited prospect
Speaker 2: out of high school.
Speaker 1: I am going to take another wide receiver here. There's
Speaker 1: actually a handful of running backs. I still I'm quite
Speaker 1: interested in this range, but sort of like like what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Cody, I think this is the right range
Speaker 1: of rookie drafts to say, like, I just get the
Speaker 1: guy that you kind of want and that you're really
Speaker 1: interested to, not like play the game of oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the value, right, always going to get to
Speaker 1: my next pick or whatever I'm gonna take Malachai Corley
Speaker 1: just a skill set, is super fun to watch. He's
Speaker 1: the guy that I have been seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: people talk about as like more people need to be
Speaker 1: paying attention to this wide receiver, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere over social media lately. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that I get him. And you know,
Speaker 1: tackle breaker, just really fun, versatile guy. And I'm curious, Cody,
Speaker 1: what you think of that pick.
Speaker 2: This is the yak king right there, self proclaimed Yeah Kang.
Speaker 2: He's got a chain that says that he wore to
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. This guy's got some big mits he
Speaker 2: had over This is the statist. Is one of the
Speaker 2: most wild statistics I think of the whole process. He's
Speaker 2: got over twenty one hundred yards after catch, not twenty
Speaker 2: one receiving.
Speaker 5: Yards in total in his career.
Speaker 2: Yack yards doesn't even make English.
Speaker 5: He's a start.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a second round pick in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling really good about that one. Bogman wrap
Speaker 1: up round two for us.
Speaker 4: I love that pick worm, you know, And there's a
Speaker 4: lot of these wide receivers to pick through, right and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of good ones and it's just what
Speaker 4: do you think the best skill is?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: For me, it's Ricky Pearsall and running routes and just
Speaker 4: being open and then even when he's not open, making
Speaker 4: those I mean, he had probably the best catching college
Speaker 4: football last year, that one hander that he reeled in
Speaker 4: with three guys draped all over him. He had an
Speaker 4: incredible season Pierce did at Florida. He's a crazy good
Speaker 4: route runner. I want to see him in Minnesota. I
Speaker 4: think if you put him in Minnesota in the slot
Speaker 4: where kg Osborne what like kJ Osborne and get the
Speaker 4: ball and fall down. He had I think zero missforce tackles,
Speaker 4: miss tackles forced all season. I think Pearsall is going
Speaker 4: to do a little bit more with the ball in
Speaker 4: his hands. And also even if he doesn't, he's already
Speaker 4: a good replacement for a guy like kJ Osborne in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of talent there, but they throw the
Speaker 4: ball so much. And look, get this out of your mind.
Speaker 4: Who cares about the Minnesota running back? As long as
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell's there. Just don't worry about who the Minnesota
Speaker 4: running back is. They're not going to be good. So
Speaker 4: is Dallan Cook has gone unless they spend a high
Speaker 4: draft pick on one, which they won't. They have too
Speaker 4: many needs that it's just it ain't It's like fetch,
Speaker 4: it ain't happening. So let's put another wide receiver, another
Speaker 4: dangerous wide receiver in this crew, and then you know
Speaker 4: you're less worried about who your quarterback is. You can
Speaker 4: be the Niners, right, you can be a team that
Speaker 4: has all the talent around the good quarterback. And that's
Speaker 4: what I think Minnesota would do. And that's just my
Speaker 4: dream is to see Ricky Piersall in Many.
Speaker 1: I'll give a quick round two recap here. We had
Speaker 1: Braylan Allen, Lad McConkie, Brian Thomas, bo Nicks, Keon Coleman,
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, Junior Jatavian Sanders, Trey Benson, Bucky Irving, Javon Baker,
Speaker 1: Malachi Corley, and Ricky Piersall really interesting and pretty fun
Speaker 1: round Actually there, Actually we've got one round left here
Speaker 1: in our mock. Cody three to Zho one. Who you got.
Speaker 2: I'm going to the wide receiver position and I'm going
Speaker 2: to the Pacific Northwest to one of my favorite prospects
Speaker 2: in the class. Jalen Polk, you know, one hundred and
Speaker 2: eight targets this past year, fifteenth in the country, overshadowed
Speaker 2: by Romadunze, overshadowed by Jillen McMillan. I think he dominates
Speaker 2: between the five and fifteen yard of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: He averaged sixteen point eight yards per reception this past year.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a guy that fits
Speaker 2: into an offense like an Adam Thielen. And I'm excited
Speaker 2: to get Polk here at the three oh one.
Speaker 1: Polk was going to be my pick here at the
Speaker 1: three zero two, so you snaked me on him. I
Speaker 1: totally agree, Like because of the offensive talent there, it's
Speaker 1: easy to not get as enamored as I think we
Speaker 1: maybe should be on Polk. I think he's really really good,
Speaker 1: and I think whichever NFL team gets him is going
Speaker 1: to be really happy with the pick. What do you
Speaker 1: think about Polk, Bogman.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love that pick, and I can tell
Speaker 4: you've been watching Spielman because I think Polk is a
Speaker 4: Spielman guy as well. But yeah, so many I think
Speaker 4: the more you dig in on these wide receivers and
Speaker 4: Polk is at you know, he's low on a lot
Speaker 4: of people's lists. You want to watch the Yak King
Speaker 4: before you watch you know, the guy who was second
Speaker 4: to Roma Dunza, right like you want to see Ricky
Speaker 4: Piersol has the highlight catches. Franklin and Thomas have some
Speaker 4: highlight catches like Polk didn't do a lot of that.
Speaker 4: But when you watch him, the dude is always open.
Speaker 4: He is smoking these PAC twelve corners constantly. So yeah,
Speaker 4: he's another guy where you look at this class and
Speaker 4: you just go, this is so unbelievably deep, this wide
Speaker 4: receiver class, and not just at the top, but also
Speaker 4: through the mid tier and all the talent in it.
Speaker 4: You know, I took Ricky Piersoll over him. That may
Speaker 4: be a gigantic mistake, but piersall had a solid season.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean Polk is very very good and
Speaker 4: like Cody said, very underrated as well.
Speaker 1: With the three zero two, I want to take one
Speaker 1: of these running backs. I'm not sure which the right
Speaker 1: one is, so I'll be really curious your guys reaction.
Speaker 1: We know that fits. Actually, if you check online, has
Speaker 1: Blake Korum as his RB one in the class. Currently
Speaker 1: there's a lot of healing for Jalen Right. I'm a personal,
Speaker 1: very big fan of Odric Estimate. I loved watching him
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. I really like Marshawn Lloyd. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Lloyd. He had a good performance
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I really liked him as a
Speaker 1: high school recruit, and I wanted him to go to Maryland.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was likely he was going to
Speaker 1: because he's just too good, but you know, he was
Speaker 1: a local kid. I just really like the talent. I
Speaker 1: feel like he can do a lot of different things
Speaker 1: on the football field that I like. He's another person
Speaker 1: who I running back that I think could end up
Speaker 1: in a landing spot where he has a decent shot
Speaker 1: at east and volume here even as a rookie right
Speaker 1: off the bat so early in a round three, I
Speaker 1: like the value I will take Marshawn Lloyd. Tody, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that one?
Speaker 2: I love Marshall Lloyd Man. He had a great Senior
Speaker 2: bull was the best running back there. Pretty clear cut,
Speaker 2: his lower quarters a little lean. The calves are like
Speaker 2: so Byron Lambert works over very roster watch. He calls
Speaker 2: it the Darren McFadden Corlay where the lower court of
Speaker 2: the calves are a little skinny and they don't really
Speaker 2: match up with two and seventeen pound frame up top.
Speaker 2: But I think Marshawn runs hard. He was a little
Speaker 2: banged up in college, but he's been a guy that
Speaker 2: I wish you would have got a bigger workload so
Speaker 2: we could have saw what he looked like with two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty carries, but we just didn' get to
Speaker 2: see it at South Carolina or USC. But I think
Speaker 2: it's a good area for him, and a lot of
Speaker 2: these running backs are going to come off the board
Speaker 2: here and I think he deserves to be one of them.
Speaker 4: Criminally underutilized in college, right, like big time recruit out
Speaker 4: of high school, like you said, goes to South Carolina
Speaker 4: under US then they bring in Rattler, so he's kind
Speaker 4: of in Ratler's shadow. He goes to US see and
Speaker 4: you think, oh, well, put him in the USC, put
Speaker 4: him in that offense. But I mean everything goes through
Speaker 4: Caleb and Austin Jones is great there too, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: underutilized for sure, but proved himself in the Senior Bowl
Speaker 4: and moved his stock.
Speaker 1: Way up Bob when here's your next pick.
Speaker 3: Gimme Korum. I got to stop the slide here.
Speaker 4: Maybe I should have done it where I took you
Speaker 4: know where I took Bucky Irving. Because Korum is he
Speaker 4: has proven.
Speaker 3: It on the field, right.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing is that when you look at
Speaker 4: some of these other guys are more impressive physically than
Speaker 4: Blake Korn because he is a smaller guy. But when
Speaker 4: you watch it, you know it's the essential. He's got
Speaker 4: that dog in him. He is not going down at
Speaker 4: first contact. He's pushing the pile. He is a small
Speaker 4: dude that plays like a large dude. He's a team captain, right.
Speaker 4: He's everything you want out of the position outside off.
Speaker 4: He's five to nine maybe five eight, and not five
Speaker 4: eleven and not twenty to thirty pounds heavier. So I
Speaker 4: think that we've had plenty of undersized guys coming to
Speaker 4: the NFL and light it up very ray Rice Ish
Speaker 4: Blake koram Is. I think that's probably the comp that
Speaker 4: a lot of people are gonna end up having with him,
Speaker 4: and he can be a guy that can carry the
Speaker 4: full workload. And honestly, I think he just goes back
Speaker 4: to Jim Harbaugh to the Chargers who are going to
Speaker 4: be looking for a running back in the later rounds.
Speaker 4: I think that's where he's gonna end up going. And
Speaker 4: I think Harbaugh is going to use him a lot
Speaker 4: like he did at Michigan a lot. So gimme Korum here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody, where do you have Quorum ranked amongst your
Speaker 1: running backs? Because, like I said, Fitz who is not
Speaker 1: here today, does have him RB one, and yet he's
Speaker 1: going around three of our rookie draft here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is probably about the area. I have one
Speaker 5: more guy I.
Speaker 2: Would dig before Korum, but I think Quorum sits right
Speaker 2: in this five to six area as it stands out.
Speaker 2: Just a little Eterns twenty four this year, Like you mentioned,
Speaker 2: he's listed at five to eight. I've seen my fair
Speaker 2: sharer of guys listed five eight and come in at
Speaker 2: five to seven and a quarter and be, you know,
Speaker 2: two hundred and five pounds.
Speaker 5: Not really an elite pass catcher. He can do it.
Speaker 2: We saw him take a big workload in college. You know,
Speaker 2: people don't want to hear this comp but Chase Brown
Speaker 2: last year had a similar kind of go at it
Speaker 2: through college. I think Chase Brown runs equally as hard
Speaker 2: as Blake Quorum does. I think Korm will be successful
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but I just I don't feel as
Speaker 2: good about him and fantasy as I do about a
Speaker 2: number of these other guys.
Speaker 1: I think that's a yeah, fair assessment. Who do you
Speaker 1: got it to or see me? Three h four?
Speaker 2: So at three oh four is going to be that
Speaker 2: last running back that I prefer to have over him.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a couple of question marks that get
Speaker 2: answered here at the NFL Combine this next week. Dylan Johnson,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to Washington. Dylan Joshon showed us
Speaker 2: late in his career at Washington that he could take
Speaker 2: the workload. He burst it out against USC in a
Speaker 2: big game at the end of the year, finally crashing
Speaker 2: one thousand total rushing yards. In this guy's career, he
Speaker 2: has one hundred and seventy three receptions in a four
Speaker 2: year career at the running back position, which is ridiculous,
Speaker 2: averaged six yards per reception in his output there. I'm
Speaker 2: just looking for some value here in the in the
Speaker 2: late third round. This is one of my guys in
Speaker 2: the class, and there's a foot injury that's concerning, and
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. Like I said this week, did
Speaker 2: they'll have a million MRIs done in Indianapolis and he'll
Speaker 2: be a number of those guys trying to get checked out.
Speaker 2: And I think he's just a late run running back
Speaker 2: that gets drafted late fourth early fifth the NFL Draft
Speaker 2: and can get plugged in as a immediate satellite guy
Speaker 2: and grow into a three down back.
Speaker 1: I'm going to at the three h five kind of
Speaker 1: plant my flag a bit again. I really like Audric Estima.
Speaker 1: I think that he's the type of running back where
Speaker 1: specifically in this class, I think he will have a role.
Speaker 1: And you, like there will be running backs in this
Speaker 1: class that will Philly roll for you. There's not going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of like do it all obviously
Speaker 1: RB one types like obviously like the Vijon Robinsons of
Speaker 1: like a year ago. I estimate is like five eleven,
Speaker 1: two thirty or something like that. Like he scored twenty
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns the last two seasons that Notre Dame. I
Speaker 1: think he will get usage in the red zone. I
Speaker 1: think he has more to his skill set than he
Speaker 1: was maybe even necessarily use that at Notre Dame. He's
Speaker 1: really fun for me to watch. He's also pretty young.
Speaker 1: He's not going to turn twenty one until September. I
Speaker 1: just really like Esima's game and in the middle of
Speaker 1: the third round, like, if I need a running back
Speaker 1: at all, I'm really happy with that bagman.
Speaker 4: You know what you go and you look at the
Speaker 4: mistackle force stat right from PFF and it's Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 4: and then it's Adric Estimate and it's you know, they're
Speaker 4: doing it for different reasons, right because Brooks is you know,
Speaker 4: it's like everything is playing with a song with him
Speaker 4: dancing in between the tackles and everything. Estimate is just
Speaker 4: running you down. He's running you over. You put out
Speaker 4: an arm, get out of here. You're not tackling him
Speaker 4: with an arm tackle. I Sam Monson I was listening
Speaker 4: to the other day and he said he's going to
Speaker 4: be the AJ Dillon replacement in Green Bay, And that
Speaker 4: is one of those that I cannot get out of
Speaker 4: my brain. He would be so good there backing up
Speaker 4: Aaron Jones in Green Bay and potentially scoring a lot
Speaker 4: of touchdowns from short yardage.
Speaker 1: So as I think that's a really good spot. I
Speaker 1: also really like the possibility of him, you know, Gus
Speaker 1: Edwards is a free agent just getting that role of
Speaker 1: like get into the end zone twelve times a year
Speaker 1: and kind of save Lamar a bit in Baltimore. I
Speaker 1: would love if he was, you know, a mid round
Speaker 1: pick for the Ravens too. I'm a big fan of his.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just any team that needs a running back I
Speaker 4: think would be good for him. But yeah, those those
Speaker 4: hulking like you know, you don't want to you don't
Speaker 4: want to risk that quarterback anymore. Put him on some
Speaker 4: of those teams, maybe even in San Francisco. You know,
Speaker 4: CMC starts to break a little bit, I think I'm
Speaker 4: up next, right, I'm gonna go Roman Wilson. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: stop the slide for him. Obviously, Roman had an enormous
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, so good that he just quit practicing on Thursday.
Speaker 4: It was like, I'm good, I've raised my stock enough.
Speaker 4: I don't need to play. I don't need to practice.
Speaker 4: I'm all set. We're all good here, which is the
Speaker 4: smart thing to do. I don't know that he's going
Speaker 4: to test off the charts, which may push him down
Speaker 4: a little bit just in the process, because everyone is
Speaker 4: so good in this class that you know, It's like,
Speaker 4: what is the most impressive thing recently is probably going
Speaker 4: to be the thing that gets these guys drafted. So
Speaker 4: I do think he's a second third round pick. I
Speaker 4: know that he got pushed up into the first after
Speaker 4: the senior ball. I don't know if he is that guy,
Speaker 4: but again, a lot in a lot, like his teammate
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy, there could be more made on the bone
Speaker 4: in terms of development for this guy because we just.
Speaker 3: Didn't see him.
Speaker 4: They didn't need him a lot the second half of
Speaker 4: fifty percent of the games, they weren't even throwing the
Speaker 4: ball at Michigan. So watching him a lot, seeing him
Speaker 4: make some acrobatic, impressive catches and be super impressive in
Speaker 4: this process, I think has raised his stock a lot.
Speaker 4: So I think he's going to go somewhere. I think
Speaker 4: he can be a Day one starter for an NFL team,
Speaker 4: And he's still on the board because wide receiver class
Speaker 4: is so elite this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept looking at him and being like, I
Speaker 1: think I'll take someone else, but like considering him for
Speaker 1: the last number of picks here, it really is a
Speaker 1: ridiculous class. Cody the three oh seven. You are up.
Speaker 5: I was in the same boat.
Speaker 2: I kind of skipped over in the last two picks,
Speaker 2: and I really wanted to click the button. He was
Speaker 2: the last wide receiver inside of my top ten wide
Speaker 2: receivers in the class. I'm going to go running back
Speaker 2: though here at the three oh seven. This guy electricity
Speaker 2: flows through his veins in the open field. I just
Speaker 2: got done doing the write up over at rosterwatch dot com.
Speaker 2: He's going to turn twenty one years old. Just a
Speaker 2: few weeks before the draft. Jalen Wright, running back out
Speaker 2: of Tennessee. He was supposed to be down there at
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, was banged up, but he should be
Speaker 2: running at the NFL Combine and the rumors are he's
Speaker 2: gonna run four to three. So we'll see what happens,
Speaker 2: and we'll see if that vaults him up around. Because
Speaker 2: I've heard some people in the space talking about RB one,
Speaker 2: I'm not quite on that trajectory right now. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen it consistently enough. We haven't seen it really in
Speaker 2: the receiving game much at all. He said two career
Speaker 2: games with twenty plus touch and those were all carries,
Speaker 2: no receptions in those games.
Speaker 5: So Jillen right here, just on pure electricity. I'll take
Speaker 5: me at the end of the third.
Speaker 1: I have taken only running back so far in the third,
Speaker 1: and each time I consider Jalen Wright as well. I
Speaker 1: think that's a really fun one and a really good
Speaker 1: spot to get him. Bogman, what do you think about right?
Speaker 4: I think this is a good pick, and like, like
Speaker 4: you know, Cody said, here, it's you're you're drafting the
Speaker 4: trait and when you see this guy in the open field,
Speaker 4: it just go you know, it's a lot like I
Speaker 4: got enamored with Jalen Hyatt, maybe a little too enamored
Speaker 4: with Jalen Hyatt last season, because it's just that pure speed.
Speaker 3: Well, when you see it.
Speaker 4: It's it's so tantalizing and you can just see the
Speaker 4: possibilities of what you could do with a guy like this.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, Jalen Wright is a very very
Speaker 4: solid pick and running back.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see the reaction to my next. Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Malik Washington just like an electric guy
Speaker 1: to watch. I know he's shorter, but just this, I
Speaker 1: mean the sad one hundred and ten catches last year
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards nine touchdowns. Again, just like the eye test,
Speaker 1: I just really like watching him play. And again I
Speaker 1: think there's a role for him, you know, on a
Speaker 1: team that's going to use him the right way. Cody,
Speaker 1: what do you think of Washington?
Speaker 5: I love Malik.
Speaker 2: Washington showed up very well at the Shrine Bowl this year.
Speaker 2: I was down there live watching that. He forced thirty
Speaker 2: five miss tackles in twenty twenty three to go along
Speaker 2: with over fifty percent of those yards coming after the catch.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be respected in the in the
Speaker 2: high conversations in this class, but he's one of those
Speaker 2: guys like I talked about, it's deep, and he's going
Speaker 2: to be in that you know, sixteen seventeen, eighteen nineteen conversation.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't deserve to be in sixteen seventy eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 2: He deserves to be closer to ten eleven twelve. But
Speaker 2: it's just the art of the class and his size
Speaker 2: at five to eleven, you know, one hundred and ninety pounds.
Speaker 2: It's it's not ideal, it's Damara Douglas esque, but he's
Speaker 2: a really, really good wide receiver in the.
Speaker 3: Slot, bicker than a hiccup.
Speaker 4: Quicker than a hiccup, right that, that's the the old
Speaker 4: you know, put him in a phone both gonna be
Speaker 4: a great three cone drill guy for sure. Just a
Speaker 4: guy that is so good at creating his own space
Speaker 4: with someone in his hip pocket and still making the catch.
Speaker 4: A very impressive player, Milake Washington. Very probably slot specific,
Speaker 4: you know, which can for fantasy lower your value a
Speaker 4: little bit than a guy that can move in and
Speaker 4: out and all that stuff. Probably not an end zone
Speaker 4: threat either, but a guy that makes his own space
Speaker 4: and is going to be a high possession guy if
Speaker 4: he gets the opportunities.
Speaker 3: So I do like Milike Washington a lot.
Speaker 1: Who are you going with next?
Speaker 3: Oh man?
Speaker 4: I am so torn at this spot, But we can't
Speaker 4: go through a fantasy draft and not get Ray Davis
Speaker 4: in here. So just to make sure I think I
Speaker 4: have one more pick, maybe I could have picked him there.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he would have lasted with you
Speaker 4: sharks in here with me. But Ray Davis one of
Speaker 4: the best stories in this class, of course. But I
Speaker 4: don't even give a crap about his story. Watch him
Speaker 4: on the field. He's unbelievable. He is a hard runner,
Speaker 4: and another guy in this class that can do pretty
Speaker 4: much anything you want him to do a little undersized,
Speaker 4: maybe you don't want him to get run over and
Speaker 4: pass block or whatever. But a dude that is going
Speaker 4: to run between the tackles, follow blockers, get every open
Speaker 4: thing that he can and push the pile. He could
Speaker 4: catch the ball out of the backfield as well. You know,
Speaker 4: the motor is relentless, team leader type. Just so much
Speaker 4: good about Ray Davis that he has to go in
Speaker 4: here because I don't think that there's a team that
Speaker 4: he could go to and not make an impact for
Speaker 4: So Ray Davis one of my favorites in the class.
Speaker 4: Although the running backs aren't good, there are good players
Speaker 4: here at the end and giving us some excellent values
Speaker 4: down here.
Speaker 1: I probably would have taken him with my last pick,
Speaker 1: so not there was not a risk of him not going,
Speaker 1: but good, I think it was a good pick. Vy you, Cody,
Speaker 1: we each have one pick left. Who you got at
Speaker 1: three ten.
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna take Ray because I love getting him
Speaker 2: in the fourth round, so hope, I'm glad I'm not
Speaker 2: needing any leagues with you as I don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about that.
Speaker 5: So hopefully I can get him in the fourth. But
Speaker 5: I like Ray.
Speaker 2: I wish I like him when he's at Vanderbilt. I
Speaker 2: really wish he wasn't, you know, about to turn twenty
Speaker 2: five years old, because I think, you know, the conversation
Speaker 2: would be of him. There's seven dudes in the RB
Speaker 2: one conversation this year. I think he'd be the eighth
Speaker 2: if he was maybe twenty one and that twenty five.
Speaker 2: But I think Ray Davis is interesting. We're at the
Speaker 2: spot here, I'm at three ten where I see about
Speaker 2: four dudes I want to say their name, but only
Speaker 2: one I believe deserves it, and it's a guy that
Speaker 2: has been getting shunned over the last couple of years
Speaker 2: out of Clemson, the running back Will Shipley. I think
Speaker 2: this guy's going to translate just fine.
Speaker 5: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Say the expectations were placed too high on him going
Speaker 2: into Clemson, just saying this is the next McCaffrey, but
Speaker 2: that's really what happened, and just kind of the build
Speaker 2: and what happened at Clemson kind of kind of suppressed him,
Speaker 2: I would say, just a little bit. I think he
Speaker 2: ends up being a late fourth, early fifth round guy
Speaker 2: in the NFL Draft. My latest mock mock draft four
Speaker 2: point zero over at rosterwatch dot com. I actually had
Speaker 2: these guys going back to back, Ray Davis going to
Speaker 2: the Ravens and Will Shipley going to the Chiefs to
Speaker 2: close out round four. I think Shipley would be a
Speaker 2: great compliment to a checkout type of a player, good
Speaker 2: in the receiving game and PPR monster ability if he
Speaker 2: can grow into a role.
Speaker 1: Now with the three eleven Bogman, I'm scrolling through the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I don't see Tealia Tunguevailoa. Is there a reason that
Speaker 1: he didn't include him? As I I only put guys
Speaker 1: that were invited to the combedy, So I'm kidding, of course,
Speaker 1: although he is the all time passing leader in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten history, maybe put a little more respect on
Speaker 1: Maryland's name. You mentioned Cody that you thought we might
Speaker 1: see one more quarterback go. I'm not sure who you
Speaker 1: were referring to specific I'm going to take Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 1: There's It's not a pick I really particularly love. It's
Speaker 1: more just I want to talk about him because he's
Speaker 1: somebody who at one point in time was considered, you know,
Speaker 1: potential number one overall pick. You know, definitely an up
Speaker 1: and down career, arguably more down than up. You know,
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma and of course South Carolina, definitely some physical
Speaker 1: talent there. You will find people that you can talk
Speaker 1: to that do like Rattler, you know, a decent amount,
Speaker 1: probably even more so than I do. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's not really a pick that I'm like jumping for
Speaker 1: joy over, but I want to bring him up because
Speaker 1: I want to talk about one more quarterbacks. So Couldie,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Rattler?
Speaker 5: I think that's the guy. He did quite a bit
Speaker 5: to grow at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: He's been a guy that again people always want to
Speaker 2: point back the Netflix thing, and you know, he's a
Speaker 2: you know what he is right off the field, but
Speaker 2: he's grown quite a bit. He showed what he could
Speaker 2: do early on at Oklahoma, and then when he turned
Speaker 2: from to South Carolina, I was like, Oh, this guy's
Speaker 2: going to be in a rut, and he's just year by.
Speaker 2: He's been stacking days, he's stacking games, stacking years, and
Speaker 2: I think he's in a good spot now to walk
Speaker 2: into a team. And I'm not saying he's going to
Speaker 2: get an opportunity on day one. But I think he's
Speaker 2: going to get an opportunity to sit as a number
Speaker 2: two in twenty twenty four, and I think that's going
Speaker 2: to only continue to help his career.
Speaker 5: Arc.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Spenser Rounder.
Speaker 1: Bogman, who you wrapping us up with. I'm not so Ratler, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing is, and I already know where
Speaker 4: he's going just if you, guys, I mean put everything
Speaker 4: on him going to Denver, Right, who has worked with
Speaker 4: a short quarterback before and turned him into one of
Speaker 4: the best of all time.
Speaker 3: It's Sean Payton.
Speaker 4: So I was doing I was doing a mock draft
Speaker 4: the other day and I got to Denver in the
Speaker 4: first and I was like, well, they can't do it here.
Speaker 4: But I think I think Rattler I'm not that crazy.
Speaker 4: I think Rattler is the guy that goes to Denver
Speaker 4: and if they don't make a big signing or a
Speaker 4: big splash, he is the starter by the end of
Speaker 4: the year for that team, right, And for him, the
Speaker 4: question is about maturity. Again, I don't give a crap.
Speaker 4: He was eighteen. Who wasn't a little jerk when they
Speaker 4: were eighteen and in high school? Especially if you have
Speaker 4: that much fame, you have a camera crew filming your
Speaker 4: dinner with your family, you know what I mean. Of course,
Speaker 4: the guy was dripping with way too much confidence, right,
Speaker 4: got humbled at Oklahoma, he lost his starting gig. He
Speaker 4: went to South Carolina. The one thing I think he
Speaker 4: lost at South Carolina was a little bit of that
Speaker 4: gun slingerness. He would not put the ball in danger
Speaker 4: at all. I think he needs to uncork it a
Speaker 4: little bit. I think someone needs to say to him, look, man,
Speaker 4: you have all the skill, he has the arm strength, right,
Speaker 4: he can make every throw. Make it, try to put
Speaker 4: it in there. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: But I mean, you got to put it up for
Speaker 4: grabs instead of you know, there are a couple games
Speaker 4: who were losing by like three touchdowns. He's not putting
Speaker 4: the ball up for grabs late. I'm like, what are
Speaker 4: you doing. You have to at least try if you
Speaker 4: throw the pick whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Sure, you know in the stat line it doesn't look
Speaker 4: good for this type of stuff, But come on, you
Speaker 4: got to put it up. So I just think he
Speaker 4: needs a little more confidence. I think he needs someone
Speaker 4: to build him up. And I think he'll get it
Speaker 4: if he goes to Denver and Sean Payton. I think
Speaker 4: that is just my like dream landing scenario for him
Speaker 4: just to be right. Since I said two more quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: I'll take Michael Pratt with my last pick here. And
Speaker 4: I do like Michael Pratt and he's kind of you know,
Speaker 4: he's the opposite of Spencer Rattler right like, he is big,
Speaker 4: he has the arm strength he has. He looks like
Speaker 4: a quarterback where Ratler is a little bit smaller frame.
Speaker 4: He's got a lot of experience starting at two lane,
Speaker 4: but he's developmental because of the competition that he faced.
Speaker 4: He didn't face complicated defenses. He went up and beat
Speaker 4: those guys up. I think when you saw him play
Speaker 4: against some higher level competition, he had some questions. So
Speaker 4: I think Michael Pratt very good quarterback, very good developmental QB,
Speaker 4: and he has all these great traits. I think he's
Speaker 4: going to get drafted higher than people expect. And you
Speaker 4: know one of those spots where you're kind of there's
Speaker 4: so many teams looking for a quarterback, but teams that
Speaker 4: are kind of questioning, you know, New Orleans, maybe Minnesota,
Speaker 4: what's going on in New England. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: This could be your Kirk Cousins where you take RG
Speaker 4: three and you take Michael Pratt too, because you've got
Speaker 4: nobody else on your roster, and this is the guy
Speaker 4: that ends up starting for you. So I think Michael
Speaker 4: Pratt is going to go. We're in a super flex
Speaker 4: qbs are worth more. So let's take a shot here
Speaker 4: at the end of the third wrapping up round three
Speaker 4: Jalen fulk Markshawn Lloyd, Blake Korum, Dylan Johnson, Rodrick Estimate
Speaker 4: of Rome and Wilson, Jalen Wright, Malik Washington, Ray Davis,
Speaker 4: will Shipley and s Spencer Rattler and then Michael Pratt
Speaker 4: wrapping things up. Just looking at this positionally, we had
Speaker 4: eight quarterbacks, eleven running backs, two tight ends. Every other
Speaker 4: pick was a wide receiver, so again speaks to the
Speaker 4: depth of the wide receiver position in this class. Cody,
Speaker 4: is there anybody that stands out to you that you're
Speaker 4: a little, maybe a little surprised didn't get drafted. I mean,
Speaker 4: only the two tight ends I'm intrigued by, like a
Speaker 4: Theo Johnson or jahem Bell, but not in you know,
Speaker 4: the first three rounds probably I'm not. You know, no
Speaker 4: Tesz Walker, No Johnny Wilson, know Zevier Lagett. Who stands
Speaker 4: out to you as you thought they would go and
Speaker 4: they didn't.
Speaker 5: I'm bassed with you.
Speaker 2: None of these guys really stand out that I think
Speaker 2: should have went. I think Exavier Laguette had some conversations
Speaker 2: where he would have if you would have shown out
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: Davonte's Walker.
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a learning thing
Speaker 2: for a lot of people where we're coming to the process.
Speaker 2: A lot of people were mocking him around one of
Speaker 2: the NFL Draft. He's still sitting here on the board
Speaker 2: going into round four. Probably my next pick, though, would
Speaker 2: have been Taj Washington from usc BO.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think anybody surprise you? No.
Speaker 4: I wish I could have taken Videll. If this was
Speaker 4: a little deeper, I would have taken Kamani Videll. I
Speaker 4: just love watching him play and breaking all those tackles
Speaker 4: and everything. I think he's very good talent. I like
Speaker 4: Thrash Walker, of course Fell, and I like Brendan Rice.
Speaker 4: I think more than a lot of people do as well.
Speaker 4: It's an unbelievable contested catch guy Brennan Rice is for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean he's not his dad, and don't expect that.
Speaker 4: I think that's absurd. Yeah, so you know, but he is.
Speaker 4: He is a very very good wide receiver. And Laguette
Speaker 4: and Walker all falling. I mean, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: Walker is so talented. I don't know if he falls
Speaker 4: as far. But there's so many good wide receivers that
Speaker 4: if you don't you don't have a good showing in
Speaker 4: this process, you are going to drop. Doesn't mean you
Speaker 4: can't be a good NFL player, but because there's so
Speaker 4: much down in this class, you know, you falter a
Speaker 4: little bit and you go from you know, being in
Speaker 4: that first round conversation he was like in the mix
Speaker 4: with Brian Thomas and Troy Franklin and all those guys before,
Speaker 4: and now he's not even being drafted ahead of Pierce
Speaker 4: Solid and a lot of these guys. So yeah, just
Speaker 4: a big fall is a little surprising him and Laget
Speaker 4: coming in smaller and also not having a good Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl week. You can just tell, you know, when you're
Speaker 4: splitting hairs, they get they get split pretty big when
Speaker 4: there's this much talent. So the combine is gonna separate
Speaker 4: these guys even more. You're gonna see even more tiny
Speaker 4: hair separations and some guys surging and falling in that
Speaker 4: process as well.
Speaker 1: Couldy. We'll get out of here in a second, but
Speaker 1: just quickly. Any final kind of overall thoughts in the
Speaker 1: class as we head into the combine here.
Speaker 2: I think you just take advantage of this wide receiver class.
Speaker 2: Next year's running back class is loaded, and I think
Speaker 2: in super flex, of course you're gonna get your quarterbacks early.
Speaker 2: And just a reminder as you watch us get through
Speaker 2: all of these picks, if you do have those early picks,
Speaker 2: it's okay to take quarterbacks over receiver because the depth here,
Speaker 2: you'll be able to double trip, double or triple tap
Speaker 2: the wide receiver position later and feel really good about
Speaker 2: walking away. Like you guys said, with a Lad McConkey,
Speaker 2: with a Javon Baker, with a Brendan Rice, you know,
Speaker 2: get a multitude of these guys that have ability in
Speaker 2: the NFL and you'll be happy.
Speaker 1: He is Cody Carpenter from Roster Watch, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us today, Cody filling in for fits.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for tuning in making it through all
Speaker 1: the way this mock draft for Cody and Bogman. I
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