Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harris, Lauren Zima coming to you from almost the
Speaker 1: home office. Well we are in Austin, Texas, but not
Speaker 1: the home office today we are this is kind of
Speaker 1: an away game here in.
Speaker 2: Austin, here in the Deer Media studios with our new
Speaker 2: friends Lauren and Michael of Skinny Confidential Fame, the Him
Speaker 2: and Her show authors, owners of Deer Media.
Speaker 3: Just absolutely.
Speaker 1: They also have they set up a lemonade stand just
Speaker 1: down the STU. You get some on the way into
Speaker 1: their valley parking. Now, is there is there a section
Speaker 1: of the commerce you guys have not gotten into.
Speaker 4: You you should have bought the building and gone a valet.
Speaker 4: Where is the lemonade gre We.
Speaker 5: Were saying, we have not yet got into the only
Speaker 5: fans world. But that's our that's our maybe part.
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at waits.
Speaker 1: Feet, Oh you have good feet.
Speaker 6: You can do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, just do some footwork.
Speaker 2: We say this all the time. I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's always only fans. Why is only hands the backup plan?
Speaker 1: It really is everyone's backup plan.
Speaker 6: Now, maybe it should be the main plan.
Speaker 1: Right when you consider what some of these women are
Speaker 1: raking in. It's like, holy count.
Speaker 7: It's wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not all just sexual, like they're like
Speaker 4: some people just want to see Larza Pippen's feet.
Speaker 1: I saw someone the other day that they're like one
Speaker 1: customer alone had spent like six figures on this woman's site,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's just it was amazing.
Speaker 7: You, Lauren.
Speaker 4: You should go on and use your voice and like
Speaker 4: put people to sleep while they meditate.
Speaker 3: Oh my, that's so nice.
Speaker 2: And that feels like a nice benign OnlyFans, like an
Speaker 2: ASMR OnlyFans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of many things I think is sexy about
Speaker 1: Lauren Zima's her voice. I love Wow, I told you
Speaker 1: you can you can put and it's not a bad
Speaker 1: thing when I say you could put me to sleep
Speaker 1: at night when she just speaks.
Speaker 4: That's a nice compliment coming from him too, because I
Speaker 4: feel like he's heard every voice on the planet.
Speaker 1: It's true as I'm glad, well, I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of vocal fry over the last twenty years, tape at night,
Speaker 1: which is what I want for her because her voice
Speaker 1: at night is like a screeching eagle.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys, I need to ask you about
Speaker 2: the mouth tape. At first, I just want to say
Speaker 2: we're so excited to be doing this because you too
Speaker 2: live here in Austin.
Speaker 3: We live here in Austin.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like we should have met before
Speaker 2: this point, but I'm glad it's happening.
Speaker 1: So what we're doing today is we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: little house swap. Basically, we're gonna do a little podcast swap.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Laura and Michael, and then
Speaker 1: I will be on their Dear Media podcast as well,
Speaker 1: Skinny Confidential. So I'm looking forward to being grilled. But
Speaker 1: right now we're up in the DJ.
Speaker 3: Booth and we have a lot to talk to you
Speaker 3: guys about.
Speaker 2: I want to ask about your love story because our
Speaker 2: show is all about relationships and you have a very
Speaker 2: different love story than we do. I want to ask
Speaker 2: about parenting, about working together because we all do that.
Speaker 2: But first I want to ask about mouth tape.
Speaker 3: Okay, because let's get right to it.
Speaker 2: Let's get right to it, Lauren, I mean, our producer
Speaker 2: Kendall DMed me. She's like, if you're please, don't please
Speaker 2: ask about the mouth tape.
Speaker 4: I needed to do it. I have a secret stash
Speaker 4: because it's sold out and I won't give you some
Speaker 4: mouth tape to try it to.
Speaker 3: So you've become known for my mouth tape. You now
Speaker 3: have your own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you give a brief cliffs notes on what
Speaker 2: it does and why it's so important.
Speaker 4: So I was introduced to mouth tape from Andrew Huberman. Yes,
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, Oh, like he's okay. I say that,
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, oh okay. He he told me about mouth tape,
Speaker 4: and then Claire Greaves, who's another influencer, told me. And
Speaker 4: then we had this incredible dentist on who was like
Speaker 4: telling us all the benefits. And they all said that
Speaker 4: it's so good for breath, because you get bad breath
Speaker 4: if your mouth is hanging open at night. They said,
Speaker 4: it's amazing for cavities. They said, it's amazing to breathe
Speaker 4: through your nose for your nervous system. And so I
Speaker 4: started doing it, and I was like floored with how
Speaker 4: much energy I was waking up with. And then I
Speaker 4: started researching it. And there's this book from the nineteen
Speaker 4: twenties called Shut your Mouth, Save your Life. There's another
Speaker 4: book called Jaws that's from the nineteen eighties. It's all
Speaker 4: about the importance of breathing through your nose. And then
Speaker 4: there's a book that you, guys, I'm sure everyone's read
Speaker 4: this book or seen it in Breath by James Nestor,
Speaker 4: and we need to be breathing through our notes. So
Speaker 4: I just kept doing it every single night, and I
Speaker 4: started to like find that not only was I having
Speaker 4: all these health benefits, but there was.
Speaker 7: A beauty angle.
Speaker 4: I My jaw was strengthened because it was supported all night.
Speaker 7: So I noticed like the muscles in my face.
Speaker 4: Getting like it was bizarre, and I started to think
Speaker 4: about it, and it is so true. Where you put
Speaker 4: your tongue all night. If your mouth is hanging open,
Speaker 4: your gravity, you're looking older and older and older as like,
Speaker 4: as you keep doing it.
Speaker 7: Gravity and you're supporting your tongue all night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what we learned talking to so many of the
Speaker 5: experts that have con our show is many people have
Speaker 5: tongue posture issue, which is why at night some people
Speaker 5: you know, you can many probably think about this. You
Speaker 5: sleep with your mouth hanging open, and that's going to
Speaker 5: kind of create that slack jaw look, and a lot
Speaker 5: of people are going and getting chin implants or nose jobs,
Speaker 5: but really it's proper tongue posture and making sure that
Speaker 5: your jaw is in the right place when you're sleeping. Also,
Speaker 5: from to Lawrence's point, from an energy perspective, if you're
Speaker 5: sleeping that way, you're not going to sleep as efficiently.
Speaker 4: I will tell you, Lauren, though, just by looking at
Speaker 4: your face, I can tell your nose breather right, you
Speaker 4: breathe through your nose.
Speaker 2: I mean I try to, but I don't know about it.
Speaker 2: I try it trying at night, you know.
Speaker 7: And it's weird.
Speaker 4: Your nervous system like relaxes into it. It's comfortable.
Speaker 7: I know, it's sounds szarre.
Speaker 1: Did it take you a while to get used to it?
Speaker 1: Because I think the idea for some people of cutting off.
Speaker 3: Am I going to suffocate myself?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean you're not tying each other up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do that too, which is to.
Speaker 6: Well, think about it this way.
Speaker 5: We can all picture a dog breathing in their mouth
Speaker 5: and like in humans, I mean that from an energy
Speaker 5: perspective is not good.
Speaker 6: But you humans are designed.
Speaker 5: To breathe through our nose, and even from an immune function,
Speaker 5: standpoint where our noses are designed to filter germs and
Speaker 5: all sorts of stuff out of our system, or at
Speaker 5: least protect us from those things coming in. And when
Speaker 5: you're breathing through your mouth all the time, one it's
Speaker 5: it's not as efficient from an airway passage, but two
Speaker 5: like you're you're in fiting more disease and virus into
Speaker 5: your system. Where if you learn to breathe, if you
Speaker 5: look at young kids when they're born, they breathe through
Speaker 5: their nose. We just forget how to do that as adults.
Speaker 7: But yes, it can be. I can understand how.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit daunting at first, but once you
Speaker 4: do it for a month, you'll I called room service
Speaker 4: because I forgot my mouth tape and I was like,
Speaker 4: can you bring me masking tape? Like I can't sleep
Speaker 4: without it now?
Speaker 3: So you're some.
Speaker 1: Duct tape, some wires, some handcuffs and do you guys
Speaker 1: at call and some lime like what?
Speaker 2: So your body adjusts, You just breathe your nose. But
Speaker 2: here's my relationship question part of it. What happens when
Speaker 2: you two are lying next to each.
Speaker 7: Other, and it's amazing you do what I.
Speaker 3: Want to do to him? Which is like he's half asleep.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, baby, baby, do you ever think like,
Speaker 2: can you make it for a second?
Speaker 3: Do you ever think are we so? Has this been
Speaker 3: good for your relationships?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: What about that that last question you get at the
Speaker 1: end of the night of are we really in love?
Speaker 7: Do you really love me? You can just shake your head.
Speaker 5: We did a joke party video when we launched the
Speaker 5: mouth tip, when she launched the mouth tape, and it
Speaker 5: was like basically this, yeah, shutting you up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he talks more than me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually it's the kind of opposite with us. Actually, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: she's the opposite he is. He's talking about quick books
Speaker 4: at eleven. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, the show is
Speaker 4: over the Broadway, curtains are closed.
Speaker 7: My personality is turned off.
Speaker 1: I say, I run out of words. I've run out
Speaker 1: of words. I'm done using my words for the day.
Speaker 1: She's just starting.
Speaker 7: There's a mouth tape on. There's an excuse.
Speaker 5: I love this, to be honest, though not much has
Speaker 5: changed because she never responded. Even without the mouth tape,
Speaker 5: I would just, you know, just kind of rapid fire
Speaker 5: questions and thoughts.
Speaker 6: Sometimes I just need to hear myself talk, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: You wo So now we know there's one in every relationship.
Speaker 3: Mikel and I are.
Speaker 5: On the same page in the same relationship. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, we'll talk about that later, but you gotta
Speaker 5: have one or the other.
Speaker 1: So you guys live here in Austin now, as do we.
Speaker 1: We just figured out we're about the same amount of time.
Speaker 1: Last two years, about twenty twenty or so, pandemic hit.
Speaker 1: Many people were getting the f out of California. Is
Speaker 1: that kind of what hit you guys?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know, we had our first child in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: And I should start by saying Lorren and I were
Speaker 5: born and raised in California, in San Diego, and we've
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time in LA and obviously seen
Speaker 5: and a lot of our family's still there. I think
Speaker 5: for us, as many others, when the quality of life
Speaker 5: changed there and you start to not have access to
Speaker 5: the things that you had access to, whether it be
Speaker 5: like the outdoors, yeah, like the outdoors, shut the outdoors, yeah,
Speaker 5: and then when you realize in a minute, yes, I'm
Speaker 5: in a massive city. And for us, the realization was
Speaker 5: also like we were not in the best shape. We
Speaker 5: weren't taking care of ourselves. We were grinding to the
Speaker 5: bone in terms of work, we were drinking more alcohol.
Speaker 5: I mean, LA's a social city, you guys know, and
Speaker 5: when we came out here, and probably also part of
Speaker 5: the reason why we haven't met is there's like blinders
Speaker 5: on health, wellness, take care of our children, stay focused,
Speaker 5: kind of get out of the chaos. It's been really
Speaker 5: good for us.
Speaker 1: When y'all have a girl and a boy. How old
Speaker 1: are they?
Speaker 7: They're four and almost two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no wonder no one sees you guys. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: no one's going to see you all for the next
Speaker 1: ten years.
Speaker 7: That is that a thing? Actually?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So when your kids were under ten, you
Speaker 4: felt like you were just in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean we joke as like you you're
Speaker 1: in the bear's cage. I mean, you are. They get
Speaker 1: to this age of walking talking school, then it's sports,
Speaker 1: then it's girl scouts, cub Scouts, but you know, theater piano,
Speaker 1: you're just you're an uber driver, Like that's going to
Speaker 1: be it for ten years. And your friends will become
Speaker 1: friends that you are cub Scout masters with or coaching
Speaker 1: with or whatever. And that's that'll be your social for
Speaker 1: a while. It's really weird. And then some some of
Speaker 1: those people stick, some don't, and you realize they were
Speaker 1: just there for that season of your life and you
Speaker 1: kind of move on.
Speaker 5: When I meet some of my single guy friends that
Speaker 5: are still in the wild, like listen, like I respect it,
Speaker 5: understand it, appreciate it, but like I just can't.
Speaker 6: I can't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play golf Saturday morning. Let's we'll meet at
Speaker 1: soho house. Like what I'm like, Like, we put.
Speaker 5: The kids down at seven and we're done by nine o'clock.
Speaker 5: It is done. The mouth tape is on and weird out.
Speaker 1: You don't understand if you're a nonparent how exhausting it is.
Speaker 1: It sucks so much energy out of you. You give
Speaker 1: so much of yourself and you're also you guys are
Speaker 1: running sixty different corporations and different things, and you're trying
Speaker 1: to take care of yourself. So it really is. And
Speaker 1: when I say soul sucking, I don't mean it in
Speaker 1: a bad way. It's wonderful, but it does. It takes
Speaker 1: so much energy. When you put them down, you realize,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like I'm done.
Speaker 7: It's like you're just dragging to the finish line.
Speaker 4: There's this book called All Joy, No Fun, and I
Speaker 4: think that like that is, oh god, I know that's
Speaker 4: that's kind of like mean, and it is fun sometimes,
Speaker 4: but like when you're in it and it's like a
Speaker 4: micro moment, it is like.
Speaker 6: Do you know what?
Speaker 5: Though, I always every parent will relate to this like
Speaker 5: it is challenging and it is hard and it is chaos.
Speaker 5: But the way I always look at it like we
Speaker 5: are not the first people to have small children, And
Speaker 5: I like, you know, I want to call myself a
Speaker 5: hero at the end of the day, but I'm like,
Speaker 5: you're not the first guy that's done this, Bud, like
Speaker 5: other guys have put kids down.
Speaker 1: You're doing this in a village with no water. You're
Speaker 1: not just like walking.
Speaker 7: Like doing it in the village there's no water though.
Speaker 1: Like you're just walking down to the agb and you know,
Speaker 1: getting your getting your water.
Speaker 7: You do.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I think like the way we approach parenting is
Speaker 5: we acknowledge that it is challenging and there's moments and
Speaker 5: it's hard, but also at the same time we measure
Speaker 5: that with like, hey, we're not the only ones that
Speaker 5: have ever done there's there's people that are not as
Speaker 5: not and maybe in the same circumstances that have it
Speaker 5: much stuffer. So I just look at its like I
Speaker 5: appreciate the moment. You Like, sometimes we'll look at us
Speaker 5: at each other and we'll say, it's just a look
Speaker 5: like holy oh.
Speaker 1: And I think it's also important to when you feel
Speaker 1: like you're failing, which we all do is parents and
Speaker 1: people at a time with your children, you're like, we're
Speaker 1: really failing. We should be doing this, we should be
Speaker 1: doing this. I did this instead of spending time with them.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always someone doing worse.
Speaker 3: That's true anything in life.
Speaker 2: There's always going to be somebody who has it better
Speaker 2: than you and someone who's has it much worse than you,
Speaker 2: And those moments are going to change for everybody. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I've said before, I don't think like he's
Speaker 2: taught me a lot about because I have never had
Speaker 2: the experience. So he's just spoken to me about what
Speaker 2: having small kids is like, and that's given me a
Speaker 2: lot of new empathy for my friends who have small kids.
Speaker 2: Like when my friend hasn't called me back, he's like,
Speaker 2: she really she's in it, And I don't know if
Speaker 2: we would be together if I'd met him when his
Speaker 2: kids were younger, Like, it was just such a different
Speaker 2: life place. I would have been younger, So I am.
Speaker 2: You know, timing is so important, but it's like we
Speaker 2: started dating when the kids had started driving already, and
Speaker 2: I think that made a huge difference. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if I could have ubered around.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm it wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: We're you know, week on, week off, week off with
Speaker 1: my ex, and so you would be rotten me. I
Speaker 1: picked the kids up at two thirty school and I
Speaker 1: would drive until eight thirty at night.
Speaker 2: Well and living in La you know, he lived an
Speaker 2: hour away from me already, Like meet me with all the.
Speaker 7: Work you're doing, that's all.
Speaker 1: So you're just like, like, I traveled a ton obviously,
Speaker 1: So I mean I had a very understanding X and
Speaker 1: in the situation and the way we set it up
Speaker 1: was very conducive to me working. Uh, meaning I just
Speaker 1: took care of everybody, which is fine because I wanted
Speaker 1: my kids to have a parents, and she was agreeable
Speaker 1: to be that parent when I was on the road,
Speaker 1: So it all worked out great. Thank God, and she
Speaker 1: was wonderful about that. But it allowed me to you know,
Speaker 1: when I was in town, do you dive back in?
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing with trying to date, And
Speaker 1: I didn't for a long time because I was on
Speaker 1: the road with a bachelor. Then when I was in town,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be with my kids, right I was coaching.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be at all the games, and so
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to give myself to somebody else.
Speaker 2: Truly, I don't think it gets enough credit for like,
Speaker 2: because you know, when people are interviewing you, they don't
Speaker 2: ask about this. I mean, back then podcasts didn't exist.
Speaker 2: You didn't really talk about this stuff. He was a
Speaker 2: single dad, like I mean, you had some hired help,
Speaker 2: but yeah, like doing all the school pickups and doing
Speaker 2: it every and coaching and working, and it's made him
Speaker 2: a great partner to me now he's a really good multitask.
Speaker 4: And I think what what also is so crazy is
Speaker 4: that like you go to work and you do all
Speaker 4: the work and then you get home and it's it's
Speaker 4: there's no break.
Speaker 3: How's your sex life?
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I was I was going to
Speaker 1: put it a little more delicately, like, how do y'all
Speaker 1: take care of each other in all the way week
Speaker 1: till our.
Speaker 4: Kids fall asleep and seeing around the house and have
Speaker 4: plate different places.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 6: Don't you have to don't come to our house and
Speaker 6: sit on any of the furniture.
Speaker 2: I told him the other day, I said, here's maybe
Speaker 2: a difference for me about like men and women. I mean,
Speaker 2: women just like to get I'm sweeping generalizing here, but
Speaker 2: I like to get deep with my friends really quick,
Speaker 2: Like when I see them, I want to get deep
Speaker 2: really quick. So one thing I ask is, like we
Speaker 2: all sit down for dinner, I'm like, so, how's everyone's
Speaker 2: sex life?
Speaker 3: Like, let's just get in, let's talk about it.
Speaker 7: I do this our podcast. I'm going to send you
Speaker 7: some episodes.
Speaker 3: But do you dive in with your friends? Like how
Speaker 3: do you catch up with your friends?
Speaker 4: Always an oversharer since I was little, and I didn't
Speaker 4: realize until recently that the way that I talk about sex,
Speaker 4: Michael always says this to me is not the way
Speaker 4: other people.
Speaker 5: Talk about Well, the part of the reason we started
Speaker 5: the podcast is she was out there sharing all this wild.
Speaker 7: Don't I don't think it's a big deal. Everyone has sex.
Speaker 6: No, and she would I had no say, And I'm like,
Speaker 6: you're just throwing all this out there.
Speaker 2: Something I'm getting you were like big when Carrie was
Speaker 2: writing about their sex life in the column, but you.
Speaker 5: Had no Yeah, And so I got on here said
Speaker 5: I got to be able to answer for some of
Speaker 5: this stuff. But no, I mean the way that Lauren
Speaker 5: and I I think where she is very you know,
Speaker 5: out and open in and overshare, and I think by
Speaker 5: nature maybe not but same as me, and we always
Speaker 5: I guess come from the perspective of like why would
Speaker 5: you not talk about everything? There was no shame in
Speaker 5: either of our households. You know, parents were pretty open.
Speaker 5: So my dad was a crazy character and so he
Speaker 5: was always telling all these wild stories when even when
Speaker 5: I was young. And I think that's just been like
Speaker 5: natural for us on the podcast. Sometimes I'll read reviews
Speaker 5: once in a while, Yeah, people get mad and like
Speaker 5: I can't believe, Like we just had John Stainless and
Speaker 5: we started talking about sex a lot, and there's ones
Speaker 5: like I cannot.
Speaker 6: Believe they would talk about this, and this is so
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I don't mind though, someone doesn't want
Speaker 4: to talk about sex. I'm respectful of that, Like I'm
Speaker 4: not going to try to pry into into if someone
Speaker 4: doesn't want to talk about it. But I think when
Speaker 4: people get angry at me talking about it, there's a
Speaker 4: little bit of a projection. Like I feel like they're
Speaker 4: like a little bit insecure and they're projecting it onto me.
Speaker 7: It's like, why do you care what I talk about.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big share. Yeah good, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: but I don't care, Like I don't care if you
Speaker 1: guys talk about it or whatever. But like I'm just
Speaker 1: I just never happen, Like if.
Speaker 6: You came up with you ar comment on our show.
Speaker 5: What we try to do, like if somebody we're not
Speaker 5: saying like you have, we try to be self aware
Speaker 5: and say, you know, if somebody is excited to talk
Speaker 5: about this, we will.
Speaker 1: It's like I'll talk about anal and oral but that's
Speaker 1: it perfect.
Speaker 5: That's why I draw the good because about half the
Speaker 5: interview questions, I don't.
Speaker 7: Know that a lot of parents are doing anal. I
Speaker 7: feel like that's like a like.
Speaker 1: Do y'all have sex with mouth tape on?
Speaker 7: I just I think we have.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes he's I'm like already like with my
Speaker 4: skincare and like my six hundred cerms and like my
Speaker 4: mouth tape, and he like comes over to the side
Speaker 4: of the bet and I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Tell you the tape.
Speaker 7: My mindset is like you rally, like it's my husband,
Speaker 7: I rally.
Speaker 1: And so it's like, Okay, pail off the tape. Here
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 4: One time, you literally whispered to me you can leave
Speaker 4: your mouth tape on.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's creepy or sexy.
Speaker 5: If you want to know, we got some pushback on
Speaker 5: the show. If you want to know one of the
Speaker 5: keys in the marriage. I think like when either of
Speaker 5: us want sex, we both like we want to make
Speaker 5: sure that we're getting each other sex right.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 5: Sex is a big part of any healthy relationship in
Speaker 5: our opinion, and we talk about this a lot. So
Speaker 5: many people put so much focus on their business or
Speaker 5: their parenting or what they're doing for their health. Very
Speaker 5: few people actually approach sex in the same way and
Speaker 5: say I'm gonna actually approach this the same way I
Speaker 5: approach the other ears in my life. And people need intimacy.
Speaker 5: I mean, like if what I would say is like
Speaker 5: if we're not intimate with each other. Why aren't we
Speaker 5: just roommates and friends?
Speaker 2: Like right, It's also amazing how when you have sex,
Speaker 2: like doesn't everything just kind of feel better right away?
Speaker 4: Connect It's like he's so much less irritable. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I should have done this three days ago.
Speaker 7: It's so annoying. It just takes it all away.
Speaker 3: I'm really glad you brought up the skincare thing.
Speaker 2: Well, there's this movement now, like on TikTok, it's like
Speaker 2: the stay at home girlfriend thing where now there's this
Speaker 2: movement towards women going back to being traditional wives, Like
Speaker 2: we're circling back, let's be stay at home you know
Speaker 2: all that again. And one thing like is this thing
Speaker 2: of there was I was reading about this woman. She's
Speaker 2: very like, no, I wait till my husband goes to sleep,
Speaker 2: and then I get up and like do all of
Speaker 2: my skincare, and then I wake up before him in
Speaker 2: the morning and I put all my makeup on, like
Speaker 2: it's very nineteen fifties again.
Speaker 3: Oh, And I'm just that is so much effort.
Speaker 7: It's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of weird to do that anyway, But
Speaker 1: it's just because you have a different life than I do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like for your job, you probably have to wake
Speaker 7: up really early.
Speaker 1: Do either of you know? I get up, she'll sleep
Speaker 1: in a little bit. I get up early. She likes
Speaker 1: to stay up late. I'm not a stay up late guy.
Speaker 4: Okay for the.
Speaker 1: Most part, I mean more night.
Speaker 3: Al he's more early.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'll go to sleep, she will
Speaker 1: get up and lives a whole.
Speaker 2: Different But I'm not putting I tell you something that
Speaker 2: is so healthy for your relationship because I also think
Speaker 2: and you guys would know, you especially would know better
Speaker 2: than I would.
Speaker 7: But you need space in your marriage.
Speaker 4: Like if you can't give the person space and you're suffocating,
Speaker 4: it's too much. Like I think that's nice that you
Speaker 4: have your mornings and you have your nights.
Speaker 7: It's healthy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's one of the things I was early on.
Speaker 1: You were much better at that than me and brought
Speaker 1: that into our relationship early on. Of Like I have
Speaker 1: my girlfriends I have, I want to have my time
Speaker 1: with them. You know, all of your stuff doesn't need
Speaker 1: to become my stuff all the time. Like I love Golfer. Example,
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not going to love golf. I don't
Speaker 1: need to love golf. I don't care. That's your thing,
Speaker 1: and I support that and I love that for you.
Speaker 7: Cool.
Speaker 1: So we've always been good about that. If you gut y'all. Still,
Speaker 1: as parents with young kids, are you able to maintain
Speaker 1: your independence like that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think something that works the best in our marriage
Speaker 7: is we're codependent. I will say that. But within the
Speaker 7: codependency is independency. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like a perfect example is we're in these offices and
Speaker 5: a lot of people look at Laura and I and
Speaker 5: they see the show and they think we're working together,
Speaker 5: and we do things together all the time. We each
Speaker 5: run completely separate companies with separate teams and in separate roles.
Speaker 5: The show is something we decided to do together to
Speaker 5: have something to work on together. And of course we're
Speaker 5: in a marriage and so as a household, we're trying
Speaker 5: to figure out what is best for ourselves and family
Speaker 5: and the companies are involved with. But like the office
Speaker 5: we're sitting in today, I ran off and did my
Speaker 5: own thing with our old team, and she goes off
Speaker 5: and does her thing, and so we have our own independence.
Speaker 5: And then I think the way it works in our
Speaker 5: marriage is we come back and we have stuff to
Speaker 5: talk about and share with each other that is from
Speaker 5: our completely separate lives, which is the stuff.
Speaker 4: I also think that you require a very specific finesse,
Speaker 4: meaning like I can tell when I need to take
Speaker 4: my foot off his neck, like I can tell when
Speaker 4: like oh, you can tell tell. I can tell when
Speaker 4: you need to go upstairs and like write in your
Speaker 4: journal or read like I can tell and like get
Speaker 4: out of my hair, go upstairs, go take a sauna.
Speaker 7: I know when he needs to take a like get well.
Speaker 5: I would classify all three of you and just meeting
Speaker 5: all three learning, but I would classify all three of
Speaker 5: you as like you are comfortable as entertainers and being
Speaker 5: out there and extra.
Speaker 6: Rights.
Speaker 5: I'm somebody that I need to be alone with my
Speaker 5: thoughts and away from people a lot of the time,
Speaker 5: and I always feel like I'm walking hypocritsm. The's like
Speaker 5: part of me is like I'm doing the show and like, hey,
Speaker 5: listen to me. But the other part is I need
Speaker 5: to get away, even from her, and I'll go upstairs
Speaker 5: and just sit and read books for hours and hours
Speaker 5: and like write and be interest space.
Speaker 7: It's very cerebral.
Speaker 5: But I if I don't get that time, then I'm
Speaker 5: just I'm not I'm not the best because I just
Speaker 5: I feel like I need to be in my own
Speaker 5: space and alone.
Speaker 7: It like when he starts ruminating, I'm like, nope, out.
Speaker 5: Part of my dream is, hey, we just won a
Speaker 5: huge award show for a great show. And the other
Speaker 5: part of my dream is can I move to the
Speaker 5: middle of a mountainside and see nobody ever again?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I so understand this, though I feel well.
Speaker 2: I think what's interesting about, like when we're all of
Speaker 2: us being in this business now, is how rapidly it's
Speaker 2: all changed. Right, Like I say this all the time,
Speaker 2: But I studied journalism in college. By the time I graduated,
Speaker 2: the Internet was changing everything. And then a couple years
Speaker 2: later social media really changed everything. And then like you know,
Speaker 2: and everybody had a phone in their hands.
Speaker 3: So it's just all changed so much.
Speaker 2: And I like grapple a lot with on the one time,
Speaker 2: On the one hand, I love entertaining people and like
Speaker 2: making people laugh and making people happy. But on the
Speaker 2: other hand, I never really like as a kid, I
Speaker 2: didn't dream of sharing my whole life with everybody. And
Speaker 2: what's really interesting is the thing that I used to
Speaker 2: have to like interview people about on red.
Speaker 3: Carpets, which is their personal life.
Speaker 2: The actors and actors, that's what they hated talking about
Speaker 2: the most. They're like, please don't ask me about my divorce.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the project. But now it's
Speaker 2: like this actual part of the job.
Speaker 3: Like, do you guys ever because you share so much?
Speaker 3: Do you, especially you being the way you are Michael,
Speaker 3: But you're an overshare grapple with how much you're going
Speaker 3: to share and debate that it's weird.
Speaker 4: I am an oversharer, but I also love privacy, which
Speaker 4: is the Gemini, So I get what both of you
Speaker 4: guys are saying.
Speaker 7: I love having.
Speaker 4: Privacy, Like when I'm off and I'm with my kids,
Speaker 4: I'm off and I think that I don't always want
Speaker 4: to be on, so I do grapple with that. I
Speaker 4: think that you have to have buckets, Like I know
Speaker 4: when I'm putting my hat on to like perform, and
Speaker 4: then I know when I'm putting my hat on to
Speaker 4: like just be a mom and just have like a normal,
Speaker 4: easy private life.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: One thing I like about Austin is you know, I'll
Speaker 4: go outside looking like like the ugliest thing you've ever
Speaker 4: seen to take a walk in the morning. But it's
Speaker 4: like so nice here because it's just like there's there's
Speaker 4: a there's a an energy that people just don't really care.
Speaker 4: In la It's like it's a little more like you
Speaker 4: have to like be buttoned.
Speaker 7: Up to go outside. I kind of just like that.
Speaker 7: It's not really about the way you look here, what
Speaker 7: you're wearing. It's there's something that's like refreshing about.
Speaker 5: I however, won't go out without a full get up.
Speaker 5: I'm like stick back, ready to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually true.
Speaker 6: I'm like she's got her rat jacket on. You know.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: But you know, I think one thing for Lauren and
Speaker 5: I with our show is we started it with a
Speaker 5: different approach, which is we don't come from I guess,
Speaker 5: quote unquote traditional entertainment. It's when we started the show,
Speaker 5: it was really like a share all be or like
Speaker 5: it was a different time.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: It's two thousand and sixteen when we started, and I
Speaker 5: think what we realized is like if we just weren't
Speaker 5: always the way we are, we could not continue to
Speaker 5: carry it on. Because it would be a hard thing
Speaker 5: for us to cure.
Speaker 6: Does that make sense. We didn't have scriptwriters, we didn't
Speaker 6: have a producers, and we didn't have a team. It
Speaker 6: was just us.
Speaker 5: And so my perspective is, if you're not willing to
Speaker 5: share it, like everything, then you might as well not
Speaker 5: do it at all. And there's certain things we're private
Speaker 5: with which I'll be like, we're not sharing where our kids.
Speaker 4: Are, or I'm not also like putting my kids first
Speaker 4: steps or.
Speaker 6: Like, but I'm not. I'm personally not every.
Speaker 7: Day like I'll show like here and there, I'm real specific.
Speaker 5: Yes, what I'm saying is I'm not precious about what
Speaker 5: people know about certain like I don't want to like
Speaker 5: go and post my home address everywhere when my kids
Speaker 5: go to school. But other than that, like I'm kind
Speaker 5: of an open book.
Speaker 1: Do you see? Lauren and I were having this debate.
Speaker 1: We always debate, Well, one of us is in the shower.
Speaker 1: We're always talking in the bathroom. Our best talks.
Speaker 3: Well, you're right, I just we do. We have our
Speaker 3: best talks in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: That's where we need to start podcasting.
Speaker 7: You guys should podcast from the bathroom.
Speaker 1: You know. But Lauren brought this question up, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to pose it to you. I do you see
Speaker 1: a time, Lauren that this goes away? You know, it's
Speaker 1: definitely evolved where influencers and people making a living And
Speaker 1: I've watched this on The Bachelor, where it was there
Speaker 1: was nothing, it was naivete and there was no bounce
Speaker 1: for being on the show. Then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of getting some hype and
Speaker 1: doing some endorsement stuff. Then there were flat out influencers,
Speaker 1: which is what you know, and these people made a
Speaker 1: living off of it, which is kind of where we
Speaker 1: are now. But do you see it changing? And is
Speaker 1: this going to end at some.
Speaker 2: Point like well people retire from being on social media?
Speaker 2: Do you think or are we all going to like
Speaker 2: this is forever and we're in our eighties and we're
Speaker 2: like now we're in the retirement house together.
Speaker 4: I think influencers are going to be there's going to
Speaker 4: be them more and more and more, and it's not
Speaker 4: going to be as exclusive as it was. Yes, I
Speaker 4: think it's going to be like not a member. Andy
Speaker 4: Warhol said, like everyone's going to have their fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: of fame, Like I think everyone will have their fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes of fame. As far as what to do, in
Speaker 4: my opinion, to be strategic, I am evolved evolving and
Speaker 4: evolved into an entrepreneur, into building a I'm not. I
Speaker 4: don't want to post pictures of myself in the mirror
Speaker 4: at fifty years old and listen, by the way, if
Speaker 4: you do, that's great. I want to build a business
Speaker 4: and a company, and I think you just have to.
Speaker 4: You have to be thoughtful about what you want. If
Speaker 4: you want to be taking pictures at fifty, I do.
Speaker 4: I think there will be people taking pictures at fifty.
Speaker 4: For me, I definitely want to have a pivot and
Speaker 4: an evolution of where the brand isn't Lauren Bostic, it's
Speaker 4: the brand standing on its own. It just depends what
Speaker 4: you want.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: I think putting an entertainment quote unquote executive hat on,
Speaker 5: we would have to be rather naive to think that
Speaker 5: this would just last forever, right like we're I think
Speaker 5: we're we're looking at it as we're grateful for as
Speaker 5: long as people find us entertaining or educate whatever they
Speaker 5: find us. But we all know stars from the eighties
Speaker 5: that you just never hear from again, it's very rare
Speaker 5: to see people last deck decade.
Speaker 2: I think it's very easy, easier than ever to get famous.
Speaker 2: People sometimes don't process how hard it is to stay famous.
Speaker 7: That's what you know how hard it is because you've
Speaker 7: done it.
Speaker 1: It's not because I'm in my fifties.
Speaker 7: You don't want to take me your selfie.
Speaker 6: So I bet no, I do not want to take
Speaker 6: me what I see too.
Speaker 5: And I always caution I guess the younger people we
Speaker 5: work with on this platform, when you have these viral
Speaker 5: moments and you kind of go from out of nowhere
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden you're a young kid or
Speaker 5: even in just a young anyone, and you think you're
Speaker 5: gonna it's going to be that forever. I always think
Speaker 5: the slow, steady, stable growth is because it's hard to maintain.
Speaker 5: And you you know, you see these stories when going viral.
Speaker 5: In the next moment, a year goes by and you
Speaker 5: don't hear any business.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have these talks all the time. I
Speaker 1: mean I feel like when the Bacheler and Batcherettes came
Speaker 1: on and I tried to help them because I they
Speaker 1: they were drinking from a fire hydrant. They were shot
Speaker 1: out of a cannon. But as anything goes, when you're
Speaker 1: shot out of a cannon, you fall. Eventually, that too
Speaker 1: shall pass. You're not going to stay on this arc.
Speaker 1: And they're just they get to this level of you know,
Speaker 1: flying first class and you're on red carpets and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're on Jimmy Kimme Alive, and it's
Speaker 1: all so intoxicating, and.
Speaker 6: People are so full of shit.
Speaker 1: They will you know, you're great, You're great. We love you,
Speaker 1: we love you, and you think, oh my gosh, I'm great.
Speaker 1: I'm great. People really love me. I'm not saying they
Speaker 1: don't like you, but they're not going to care in
Speaker 1: six months. And you have to know that this has
Speaker 1: a shelf life, and you know, you're like fish left out.
Speaker 1: In three days, you're gonna smell just as bad as
Speaker 1: everybody else. And so there will be the next flavor,
Speaker 1: the next flavor. There's an elementary story.
Speaker 2: People are using you, you know, people in the business
Speaker 2: are using you, like fans are using you. People watching
Speaker 2: you are using you for their entertainment moment. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think everybody I interviewed who came off the show was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's up next for me is like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: get my own show.
Speaker 3: I have a lot in the works of like getting
Speaker 3: my own show, and no.
Speaker 7: One ever got that.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, is anyone ever got
Speaker 3: one person?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: People, people have this weird idea that they're interesting and
Speaker 1: people aren't interesting. They're not. There were so many people
Speaker 1: that came off the show and like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'm probably do a reality show where they just follow
Speaker 1: us around like a day in our life. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I actually think the idea, the arrogance that you
Speaker 1: think you are that interesting that well, someone just follows
Speaker 1: you around in your actual life and people will care.
Speaker 4: It's like, really, the only people I can think of
Speaker 4: that that's worked for is the Kardashians.
Speaker 7: But there's ten of them.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's not even true for the Kardashians, and
Speaker 1: I really respect the Kardashians, but that's not true. If
Speaker 1: you really followed the Kardashians around in their real life,
Speaker 1: you would be asleep in three minutes. If you didn't
Speaker 1: have a team of producers setting up restaurants, setting up storyline,
Speaker 1: setting up drama, setting up conversations. The idea like Duck
Speaker 1: Dynasty could that was the most produced show probably in
Speaker 1: the history of television.
Speaker 7: Because you just have been behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: You just know, Yeah, and I knew. I know people
Speaker 1: that worked on these shows. I know people that work
Speaker 1: in the Kardashians. I know people that work on Duck Dynasty.
Speaker 1: I know people that work on Survivor and American Idols.
Speaker 1: It's hard work, it's really hard work. I mean our show,
Speaker 1: the Bacher and Bacheoretta. You know what we were genius
Speaker 1: at were producing the fish bowl environment, which is okay,
Speaker 1: the four of us are on a date in this room,
Speaker 1: and this room is set up, there's lights, there's cameras.
Speaker 1: It's not a mistake. The four of us are on
Speaker 1: this date. Michael and I hate each other, and you
Speaker 1: know you and Lauren both have a crush on Michael.
Speaker 1: There's a reason we're all here together. And now we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. That's the reality. But everything about this
Speaker 1: was set up.
Speaker 7: But there was there was an element of reality to it.
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, and you have to have good characters.
Speaker 1: The Kardashians are very good at what they do. They're
Speaker 1: brilliant women, and so they know how to once they're
Speaker 1: in a conversation how to manifest that great content and
Speaker 1: drama and push each other and needle each other. It's
Speaker 1: great stuff. They're really good, they're talented.
Speaker 2: What social media has actually done, though, is made is
Speaker 2: given people the opportunity because then you can be interesting
Speaker 2: for like fifteen or thirty seconds, like totally.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 6: The way I look at it is.
Speaker 5: Like for what Louren and I do, maybe who knows,
Speaker 5: maybe there was a chance, but there was no Like
Speaker 5: what social media did podcast it is it democratize people
Speaker 5: to be able if they put in the hard work
Speaker 5: for a long yeah, they could be able to sustain.
Speaker 5: And you know, we have been doing our show for
Speaker 5: a long time, like I mentioned, And you'll hear things
Speaker 5: now like somebody say, oh wow, I can't believe like
Speaker 5: scarlet your hands on the show. I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: episode six hundred and fifty.
Speaker 6: Body, Yeah, you know what I mean. It's not episode
Speaker 6: one through five hundred. It took a long time.
Speaker 5: And what I tell I guess creators are people that
Speaker 5: are going to engage in these mediums now, is you
Speaker 5: have to like if you're just seeking fame for the
Speaker 5: for the sake of fame, like what is the goal, Like,
Speaker 5: what's the intention?
Speaker 6: What are you building? What are you gonna have to show?
Speaker 1: It's not a business plan, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's it's you have to you have to
Speaker 5: build something with the attention that you it's your next book,
Speaker 5: you know, Garnishing attention is great. But what I always
Speaker 5: find to be the most tragic is you see somebody
Speaker 5: and they got a load of attention and they didn't
Speaker 5: do anything with that attention. They built no asset, they
Speaker 5: put no money away, they didn't you know, whatever it is,
Speaker 5: and then it goes away, And like that to me
Speaker 5: is a tragedy.
Speaker 1: Well, I know it's true for me, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess it's true for the three of you. None, none
Speaker 1: of us got into this to be famous. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: one thought, you know, it'd be great because if I
Speaker 1: walked down the street and someone recognized.
Speaker 7: So what did you want to be when you were
Speaker 7: a little boy? Like looking a fireman? Okay? Then how
Speaker 7: did you get in? How did you get into.
Speaker 3: Doing what you were doing?
Speaker 2: His mom does tell a story of he wanted to
Speaker 2: be a sportscaster, and his mom tells a story of
Speaker 2: like his brother would be running around and he'd be
Speaker 2: like narrating his brother running around the house.
Speaker 3: And then you did that.
Speaker 2: He got into sports broadcasting and like local news and
Speaker 2: then for while, I'm really telling your story here, and
Speaker 2: then on a horse racing network, and then he got
Speaker 2: the audition for the Bachelor, and it was a total pivot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I was. I was a good soccer player,
Speaker 1: and I played sports and college, played soccer in college,
Speaker 1: and but I always it was funny. Even when I
Speaker 1: was younger, like junior high and all that, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be in the Talent Show. I wanted to
Speaker 1: host it. So like High and Dallas, Texas, where I went,
Speaker 1: I was the MC of the Talent Show. And I
Speaker 1: because my thought was if you have an act, you're
Speaker 1: on for like three minutes. If I'm the MC, I
Speaker 1: get to be on all night and I get to
Speaker 1: be funny every between every act. And I thought that
Speaker 1: would be more stage time and more of my personality.
Speaker 1: And because I couldn't sing or dance, and so that's
Speaker 1: I always loved hosting. It's always been my jam.
Speaker 4: That's smart, That is very true. You're on for three
Speaker 4: minutes if you're the talent. I think that with what
Speaker 4: what you're saying about the Bachelor and Bachelorette we talk
Speaker 4: about all the time on our show, was like, it
Speaker 4: is like an astronaut syndrome.
Speaker 7: It's like we talk about this all the time.
Speaker 4: It's like astronauts go to the moon and then they
Speaker 4: come back down and they get depressed.
Speaker 5: Well, like a creator goes viral and then it doesn't
Speaker 5: happen every time after that.
Speaker 4: You're like, well, are you supposed to go if you've
Speaker 4: gone at the moon, what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 4: You're supposed to wake up and walk down the street
Speaker 4: and go to the It's just like everything kind of I.
Speaker 5: Think when you put as much time as you guys,
Speaker 5: haven't you know, I guess in some ways we have
Speaker 5: like I appreciate the result way more than maybe somebody
Speaker 5: who has gone viral overnight, like to you know, when
Speaker 5: Laura and I started our show, we were in our
Speaker 5: kitchen with It's still it's an episode one. If you
Speaker 5: go it's it's atrocious. But I look at that and
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, that kind of like thing that started
Speaker 5: eight years ago has now bequ these things.
Speaker 6: But it wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a fast like overnight thing, and so I'm appreciative,
Speaker 5: and I think because of that, I'm more cautious in
Speaker 5: how we engage with all of this.
Speaker 1: I would say it took a long time to become
Speaker 1: an overnight sensation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you were, you were probably the best tool
Speaker 4: that all of the people on the Bachelor and Bachelorette
Speaker 4: could have gone to, because you've seen.
Speaker 1: It, many of them did.
Speaker 7: Okay, if I was on that show, I.
Speaker 1: Would like I definitely helped many of them negotiate contracts,
Speaker 1: work on, you know, because I knew the show was
Speaker 1: not great because and it's this is nothing against the
Speaker 1: show or the network whatever. That's not their job. ABC
Speaker 1: is not like, well, let me make sure Lauren is
Speaker 1: taking care of after the show and make sure she
Speaker 1: has all the skills and you know things she needs
Speaker 1: to take her next step in life. That's not their job.
Speaker 1: Their job is to move on to next season and
Speaker 1: worry about another show, et cetera. And so I just
Speaker 1: knew these people were now walking on a tightrope without
Speaker 1: a net. So I tried to be there for him
Speaker 1: obviously overcaretaker. I'll talk to my therapist about this, but
Speaker 1: you know I would we already have I would, you know,
Speaker 1: deal with you know, Ben Higgins or whoever. And they
Speaker 1: would call me and be like, hey, I've been offered this,
Speaker 1: I've been offered this, and so I would try to
Speaker 1: help them navigate this crazy world that they were entering into.
Speaker 7: And did some not listen to you?
Speaker 1: A lot? Yeah, some because a lot of them feel
Speaker 1: like they got so famous so quick. Again they know better,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, honestly, it'll be like your kids.
Speaker 1: They know better, right, you know, when you're eight years old,
Speaker 1: you got it all figured out. You're just so you
Speaker 1: watch them trip on every hurdle you got over. I've
Speaker 1: made all these mistakes you're about to make.
Speaker 7: And you've seen it all the agents.
Speaker 5: A lot of the agents are going to not like
Speaker 5: me for this. But this industry in particular has a
Speaker 5: lot of transactional people in the space. And what I
Speaker 5: mean trans that doesn't mean like an agent's job is
Speaker 5: to go and secure a deal that they then commission
Speaker 5: on for their agency. And there are some phenomenal agents
Speaker 5: I should say, that have their clients' long term issures
Speaker 5: at heart, but there are also some agents that sometimes
Speaker 5: take a transactional fee over something that is not in
Speaker 5: the best interest of their client's long term success. And
Speaker 5: I think that this space, particularly, you're a new talent
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden there's blood in the water,
Speaker 5: and you get these guys that like, ooh, this is
Speaker 5: a quick payday, I'm going to go and get X,
Speaker 5: and it sounds like maybe you've been making no money
Speaker 5: or you haven't had any opportunity, and then you take
Speaker 5: this thing and you don't realize the ramification that it's
Speaker 5: going to cause.
Speaker 1: Remember Trista, the first wedding we ever did, Tristan Ryan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, and you know, remember everyone talking about a
Speaker 1: million dollar contract and oh my god, they're so rich.
Speaker 1: And I remember Trista. She got an agent and a
Speaker 1: manager and so they were taking like thirty five percent.
Speaker 1: So she's doing this wedding and you pay taxes on
Speaker 1: fifty percent and then thirty five percent, like they took
Speaker 1: home peanuts for that wedding.
Speaker 2: I've never had an agent, It's never, And my advice
Speaker 2: to people is always, I don't think you need an agent.
Speaker 3: I really don't think.
Speaker 7: You have had an agent for anything that you've done.
Speaker 7: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: Thank you well, I mean I got some of it
Speaker 2: was I got lucky in like right place, right time
Speaker 2: and also working hard. But then from there I was
Speaker 2: just like I met with a couple people and I
Speaker 2: could tell like kind of like what you're saying, Michael.
Speaker 2: I mean this one guy, he's like, yeah, I really
Speaker 2: want to represent you, And I said, cool, like what
Speaker 2: do you like that I've done?
Speaker 3: And with that one question he couldn't answer anything, and
Speaker 3: he's like, well, like you're on entertainment.
Speaker 2: Tonight, Yeah, like if you what interviewed? Like, is what
Speaker 2: anything that you've seen? And it falls apart really quickly,
Speaker 2: and I think that that job is more unimportant than
Speaker 2: it's ever been. But something that's always a tell to
Speaker 2: me is that when people get big enough, a lot
Speaker 2: of them don't have agents anymore. Like Angelina Julie doesn't
Speaker 2: have an agent anymore, Broll Pitt doesn't, Bill Murray doesn't
Speaker 2: like why lawyer Yeah why when they're able to do
Speaker 2: they say goodbye to that person.
Speaker 3: And I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Some people have like great long term relationships, but those
Speaker 2: few connections are making this look like it's so much
Speaker 2: better than it is.
Speaker 1: I've had good I've said bad. I've had great agents,
Speaker 1: had terrible agents there's yeah.
Speaker 5: What I guess the point I'm making is especially for
Speaker 5: new people in entertainment, when you don't know the good
Speaker 5: from the bad, and you have everybody in your ear
Speaker 5: saying do this, do that, and you don't have the
Speaker 5: experience of what to say yes. Or I'll even give
Speaker 5: you an example, maybe you sign on for a big
Speaker 5: deal with a big brand that is going to alienate
Speaker 5: you from all sorts of other brands in those categories
Speaker 5: in the future. Like these are just things that I
Speaker 5: think it's dangerous to go fast. For Lauren and I,
Speaker 5: it's been such a slow build sure that we've got
Speaker 5: like there was there was nobody, no agents beating down
Speaker 5: the doors in the first few years, and so we've
Speaker 5: got to see and out to your point at this point,
Speaker 5: like I can't ever imagine, you know, hiring an agent
Speaker 5: or a manager for myself.
Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to ask you guys about was
Speaker 2: you first started dating in sixth grade?
Speaker 3: Is that your story?
Speaker 7: We met in sixth grade? Okay, we met literally on
Speaker 7: the playground.
Speaker 3: And then you like, did you didn't date that? When
Speaker 3: did you start dating?
Speaker 7: We dated dated if you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: When did you first make out.
Speaker 7: We first made out probably six months into meeting.
Speaker 6: She gave me the tennis courts when I was thirteen
Speaker 6: years old.
Speaker 1: Before you had any hair on your peaches.
Speaker 7: Yeah, before you had any hair.
Speaker 1: Probably good effort.
Speaker 7: That probably thank you. That was we were different story.
Speaker 5: We started super hot and heavy for whatever reason.
Speaker 6: And I'm not I don't know what it was. It
Speaker 6: was just this thing.
Speaker 3: Like a like a you say sex is important in
Speaker 3: your relationship, but for.
Speaker 5: Me, it was honestly love at first sight. I thought
Speaker 5: I looked at her, she was fully developed. I was
Speaker 5: dating some other little sixth grader. I was like, bye,
Speaker 5: and I went after her. I just always chased her
Speaker 5: always after that, and you know, we went off our
Speaker 5: separate ways. She broke my heart going into high school.
Speaker 5: She went off with the older guys, and then we
Speaker 5: went to separate colleges and we had our fun and
Speaker 5: then came back and I just.
Speaker 4: Know after college, he was like, he was very persistent,
Speaker 4: and I was just like, you know what, I'll give
Speaker 4: it a try, and it was like it was just
Speaker 4: a match again. And it was the same connection that
Speaker 4: we had when we were little.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were.
Speaker 4: My dad caught us in the closet in seventh grade, thought, yeah,
Speaker 4: touch about it.
Speaker 7: At our wedding, we just were we really really know
Speaker 7: each other.
Speaker 1: And you know what, when you cut you in the
Speaker 1: closet in the act of.
Speaker 7: My shirt was off.
Speaker 3: How are you still alive today?
Speaker 6: I didn't know.
Speaker 7: I mean too, can you imagine now that you have
Speaker 7: a daughter?
Speaker 5: No, But what I say to him now is like, hey,
Speaker 5: two grandkids later and it worked out, and I don't
Speaker 5: I mean at the time he was a saint for
Speaker 5: not killing me. He threw me in his car. We
Speaker 5: went down to the local mall and he threw me
Speaker 5: out of the car, still getting dressed. And this was
Speaker 5: the pager days, in the payphone.
Speaker 1: Days, I would have had a long drive and a
Speaker 1: long talk, like he took me down to the room.
Speaker 5: I called my father because her parents were in an uproar,
Speaker 5: as you can imagine, and I called my father and
Speaker 5: I told him this whole story about how I just
Speaker 5: got caught and I.
Speaker 1: Was feeling up his daughter, Yeah, I said, got in
Speaker 1: a second base. I was about it.
Speaker 5: I called my dad and I said what should I do?
Speaker 5: And I was waiting for that fatherly advice, and all
Speaker 5: I heard on the other side was bellowing laughter.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny when you're the dad the other boys,
Speaker 1: and it was about double standards. It's my daughter. I'm
Speaker 1: you know, it's a yellowstone. I'm taking you to the
Speaker 1: train station.
Speaker 5: I pray every day that CARMA's not real because I
Speaker 5: have a daughter now. But no, I mean, I don't
Speaker 5: know what it what it is or what it was
Speaker 5: or and they you know, people talk about connections, and
Speaker 5: I try not to be so cheesy, but we I
Speaker 5: always knew and then sent then we like, since we
Speaker 5: got back together, we have never been apart.
Speaker 2: I think what I'm like noticing about you two sitting
Speaker 2: here is you really know each other really well. And
Speaker 2: I was curious how long you'd you know, if you'd
Speaker 2: like known each other all that time, or you took
Speaker 2: your kind of breaks from each other. But I think
Speaker 2: one thing I'm learning even I mean, we've only been
Speaker 2: married five months, but we've been together five years. But
Speaker 2: something I've learned in the past couple of months is
Speaker 2: that I still have a lot to learn about him,
Speaker 2: which sort of shook me a little bit, Like I
Speaker 2: feel I know him so well and so intimately, but
Speaker 2: then you kind of realize, Oh, there's this thing I
Speaker 2: didn't there's this layer.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff about you know.
Speaker 7: Do you feel that way one hundred percent?
Speaker 4: I think a really nice thing in marriage is I
Speaker 4: love discovering new things even to this day about him,
Speaker 4: Like I'll discover like, huh, like there's a book that
Speaker 4: he wants me to read about his he's a fourth
Speaker 4: Japanese about his Japanese heritage, and I'll start learning more
Speaker 4: about like Japanese and I'll be like, he does that.
Speaker 5: Well, my grandmother was a Japanese woman, and I was like,
Speaker 5: you should understand the culture.
Speaker 4: You have to be interested in your partner. You have
Speaker 4: to be engaging, you have to be interesting. You have
Speaker 4: to I always, like every single time and I don't
Speaker 4: even know if you know this, when we go on
Speaker 4: a date, it's like I bring some kind of information
Speaker 4: to talk about, Like I never wanted to like fall flat,
Speaker 4: and I never want to rest on my laurels as.
Speaker 7: A wife, like you always have to keep the momentum.
Speaker 1: Good way putting it. If you're not finding out new stuff,
Speaker 1: then you're not doing it right. So instead of maybe
Speaker 1: anxiety ridden of like oh my gosh, I don't know
Speaker 1: this person. It's like, I'm excited, I'm still diving into Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I've changed my At first, it did freak me out
Speaker 2: a little bit, and then I thought, I think it
Speaker 2: also freaked me out because honestly, because he's so much
Speaker 2: older than me, I was like, Oh, I'm marrying this dude.
Speaker 3: He's fifty.
Speaker 2: He's got it, like he's totally knows himself, knows himself
Speaker 2: inside and out, like we're dialed in. And then I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, still dude. But then I I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: this is great. You know we're gonna like and we're
Speaker 2: both going to keep changing too, And so that was
Speaker 2: that was something that it sounds really simple, but I
Speaker 2: really I was happy to learn, Oh it's it's not
Speaker 2: all set and it's not all figured out.
Speaker 3: But that's also a little challenging sometimes too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it keeps it fun.
Speaker 4: And by the way, it's it's probably nice to be
Speaker 4: married to a fifty year old because they are wise
Speaker 4: or no offense, you are a wise thirty six year old.
Speaker 4: You are, but it probably does take a lot of
Speaker 4: dynamic out when they're older than you.
Speaker 7: I can imagine because.
Speaker 1: There are more our fights are different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your fight's different. Your fight's different than when you
Speaker 4: were thirty five years old. Oh sure, It's like all
Speaker 4: you have to do is say yes, dear.
Speaker 7: Well yes.
Speaker 1: It's so easy to take my ego and my whatever
Speaker 1: out of it because I know, I know what's important now.
Speaker 1: So before we let you guys go, we got to
Speaker 1: wrap this up because we're in your house and we're
Speaker 1: going to switch places here in a second. You guys
Speaker 1: just had John Stamos on You did who had the
Speaker 1: bigger crush on him? And if you had the opportunity,
Speaker 1: which one of you would have had sex with?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 6: Answer too quick.
Speaker 1: He's that stunningly handsome.
Speaker 4: John Stamos was my crush growing up, and it was
Speaker 4: loking wild to see my husband next to him because
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I married my crush.
Speaker 7: Because there's kind of a similarity. It's like the hair.
Speaker 1: I see that, the if I if I squint my
Speaker 1: eyes just enough, I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Put them both in a leather jacket. I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: there's a there's a I have a type.
Speaker 7: Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: So did you scream his name out? Later that night?
Speaker 6: It was me?
Speaker 7: I think Michael screamed his name. You know, he's a
Speaker 7: beautiful man.
Speaker 5: We what I would say about him is he obviously
Speaker 5: is known for stunningly good looks and all of that,
Speaker 5: but like we've we've interviewed a ton of people, talk
Speaker 5: about great sense of humor, down to earth. He came
Speaker 5: into the office, was kind to every single person that
Speaker 5: works in that office, said thank you.
Speaker 7: You don't you know, you don't always get stayed. You
Speaker 7: don't always get.
Speaker 5: That stayed for hours after to make sure everybody got
Speaker 5: a picture like nice and you know, you know, being
Speaker 5: in entertainment, like it's not always the case. And not
Speaker 5: only that, he's phenomenal on a mic, and we just
Speaker 5: we just riffed and had so much fun.
Speaker 7: This book is also really really good. I could not
Speaker 7: put it down.
Speaker 2: I've interviewed him several times. He's a sweetheart of a
Speaker 2: man and.
Speaker 7: Like magical hum Well he.
Speaker 2: Was like, I mean, I guess I had a crush
Speaker 2: on Uncle Jesse, but when I first started interviewing him,
Speaker 2: he'd like just gotten married and had his child, you know,
Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, that man was just so like
Speaker 2: so different from you. You guys are probably similar in
Speaker 2: age and he didn't have a child until much later
Speaker 2: in life. And to watch someone be so happy to
Speaker 2: become a parent, it's kind of like what you were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier with fame, but he'd like waited and
Speaker 2: like worked his way to like finding the right and
Speaker 2: get it, and it was sort of it really was
Speaker 2: powerful to witness someone's dream coming trip.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you something.
Speaker 5: Doing the interviews that we do, maybe you guys will
Speaker 5: relate this. A lot of people that I have reached
Speaker 5: his level of fame and success. They come on these
Speaker 5: platforms circling back to what we talked about earlier, and
Speaker 5: it's like, let's have this curated, edited conversation. Feed me
Speaker 5: the questions which we're not interested to.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 5: We didn't get one edit one down. He's like, ask
Speaker 5: me whatever you want. I'll talk about whatever. I can
Speaker 5: be open, and I just think that, like my I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of compliens, but he really walks the
Speaker 5: walk and it's humble and it's not even the stuff
Speaker 5: it was on camera. It was the stuff that we
Speaker 5: witnessed off camera. Oh okay, yeah, is that I mean?
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was. It was a great interview.
Speaker 3: Well, you ended with John Stamos. That's a great place.
Speaker 1: That's why I want to end it sex with John Stamos.
Speaker 1: We all like, we all want to make love to
Speaker 1: John Stamos. Just let's be honest.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Laura and Michael, thank you for opening your home.
Speaker 7: Thank you having us here, Dear media, thank you for
Speaker 7: having us on, for coming.
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Speaker 6: Plug this water at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all got to get your own water.
Speaker 7: We got to get our own water. That's a great idea.
Speaker 7: Drink like a what did you what was the book
Speaker 7: called fame?
Speaker 4: Is it on a business plan? I think you're a
Speaker 4: person to write it. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I could say, yeah, think about it. Thank you guys
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