Speaker 1: The late fifteen to ten touched up Sucker.
Speaker 2: What's up, guys, We are back with another special edition
Speaker 2: of Chargers Weekly on the road in Indy at the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Scouting Combine, as always joined by Matt,
Speaker 2: Buddy Smith and Money. Typically it's just you and Meal
Speaker 2: on the pod. The luxury of having some amazing guests
Speaker 2: today and.
Speaker 3: Really all we Oh, I thought you were saying that
Speaker 3: Mike Silver's joining us from two tables over it.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mike doesn't Noah to talk.
Speaker 3: Mike extreams, Yeah, Mike, we worked together for a number
Speaker 3: of years. At anytime you engage, he gets excited and
Speaker 3: the decimals tend to carry a little bit. That's what
Speaker 3: you were saying. Maybe they didn't near my intro of
Speaker 3: that Mice was joining. But yes, we got a lot
Speaker 3: of folks today, some people you're really gonna want to
Speaker 3: hear from Lance Airline, who I worked with for a
Speaker 3: number of years. We do the draft together and Lance
Speaker 3: Lance was think of Dennis Ackersley, not a one inning closer.
Speaker 3: Lance was a three inn enclosure because he would come
Speaker 3: in DJ Bucky starting to get a little weathered, you know,
Speaker 3: on day three you're in the sixth and seventh round,
Speaker 3: lands like, give me that ball man, let us go.
Speaker 3: This is my sweet spot. Truly, the person that knows
Speaker 3: more about the players that are being drafted than anybody
Speaker 3: else doing this. He's got to write all the scouting
Speaker 3: reports for NFL and NFL dot Com, the books that
Speaker 3: we would use as our you know, cheat sheets. He
Speaker 3: was the one that would pen them. So to have
Speaker 3: him on it's going to be great. My favorite article
Speaker 3: every year when it comes to football, professional or college
Speaker 3: is the Bruce Velpman Freak List. It's and that's a
Speaker 3: lot of people in football will tell you that. So
Speaker 3: Bruce is going to join us talk about the freaks
Speaker 3: that he wrote about earlier before the college football season,
Speaker 3: updating the freak list now with the draft upon us
Speaker 3: what we're going to see here at the combine. So
Speaker 3: he'll share a lot of that. And and also, by
Speaker 3: the way, two guys that are very are very familiar
Speaker 3: with Jim Harbaugh and cover Jim Harbaugh and his assistant
Speaker 3: coaches in college you can speak to kind of what
Speaker 3: the Chargers are going to get going here, gonna get
Speaker 3: going with here moving forward.
Speaker 2: So it's not hyperbolely like I wish both of those
Speaker 2: conversations win an hour each because we could have gone
Speaker 2: on and on about the prospects and more about Michigan
Speaker 2: and Gym. And then I've seen Jeremy Fowler joined us too,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna roll that interview right now. Jeremy so
Speaker 2: connected around the league, and you know, the first domino
Speaker 2: to fall really is getting kept compliant in free agency.
Speaker 2: So we get into that with Jeremy now, so let's
Speaker 2: roll that. And then we got Bruce and Lance on DAP,
Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler ESPN joins us, and Jeremy. Every time this year,
Speaker 2: this thing gets bigger and bigger, and I don't think
Speaker 2: it could get any bigger, and yet it does.
Speaker 1: What's this week like for you?
Speaker 5: So this week for me is there's a lot of roaming,
Speaker 5: like get my steps in, just trying to run into
Speaker 5: as many people as I can, you know, team execs, scouts, coaches,
Speaker 5: that's kind of the name of the game.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: For me, it's mostly about getting ready for free agency.
Speaker 5: That's probably my main focus of this point. But it's
Speaker 5: just a good launching of the offseason. Get to run
Speaker 5: into a lot of good media folks like yourself and
Speaker 5: old friends and things like that, so it's a good week.
Speaker 3: How big of a deal was the salary cap bump, Like,
Speaker 3: did it take teams in your opinion, by surprise? Did
Speaker 3: they did they think it was gonna be that big.
Speaker 4: I don't think it took them by surprise.
Speaker 5: It might have been a few million over I think
Speaker 5: most had it around two fifty So two fifty five
Speaker 5: was like a nice surprise, but it wasn't shocking. But
Speaker 5: it's this was sort of the anticipated jump from when
Speaker 5: they did the CBA a few years ago, like this
Speaker 5: was the kick in right, this is thirty million overall.
Speaker 5: That's a big percentage inflation hike. That will be far different.
Speaker 5: I'm just fascinated to see if teams will actually spend
Speaker 5: that money or maybe they just cut less players or
Speaker 5: save it in other areas, you know, because the struggle
Speaker 5: is always the agents will say, well, this is the capspike,
Speaker 5: so these should be the salary demands now, and the
Speaker 5: teams are like, not so fast. And that's sort of
Speaker 5: the song and dance.
Speaker 2: Which is fascinating with the chargers because that's the first
Speaker 2: order of business is figure out Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,
Speaker 2: Khaleel and Joey. They are the four biggest numbers yep
Speaker 2: on the cap sheet. How do you think they do this? Obviously,
Speaker 2: Keenan means a great deal to Justin. You know, Mike
Speaker 2: is a is a great young player. But you just
Speaker 2: can't keep all these guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly they're gonna have to kind of create a
Speaker 5: formula where you status quo is not gonna work, right.
Speaker 5: You know, the cap hits are all what thirty plus,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's more than half your entire cap. So
Speaker 5: my sense is, and this is a lot of people
Speaker 5: are talking about it, the Chargers specifically of what they
Speaker 5: do with this four guys. You know, Keenan Allen to
Speaker 5: me is a strong extension candidate. I just think even
Speaker 5: though he's up there in age, really productive player, was
Speaker 5: having a great year before he got hurt, and he
Speaker 5: probably could have played through that injury. It sounds like
Speaker 5: they maybe shut him down a little bit when things
Speaker 5: weren't going well at the end of the year to
Speaker 5: sort of save him. But they can work something out.
Speaker 5: I think on an extension Mike Williams loved the player,
Speaker 5: but coming off the injury, I think it's gonna be tougher,
Speaker 5: you know, so I could see that as an outright release.
Speaker 6: We'll see.
Speaker 5: I know some teams are talking about Khalil Mack when
Speaker 5: I asked them about trade candidates, Like I don't necessarily
Speaker 5: think the Chargers are shopping him, but he's on team's radar,
Speaker 5: even though he's thirty three big production last year. Some
Speaker 5: teams have just always had an affinity for him, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, like a missing link piece to like contending team.
Speaker 5: Maybe I've heard his name more than Jerry Bosa. I
Speaker 5: don't know if that means anything. I just I think
Speaker 5: Max Scots and he's got a market.
Speaker 4: I'd say that, what do you think the number changes?
Speaker 3: Because kind of what our speculation was, and that's all
Speaker 3: it is is if they can get a Day two pick,
Speaker 3: that probably any of these guys are available with that.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, I mean do you think that's do
Speaker 3: you think that's realistic? Is not behind the sky?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It might be hard to get a Day two pick
Speaker 5: for Joey Yeah at this stage. I mean, he's really
Speaker 5: interesting because he's always been kind of that high end
Speaker 5: pass rusher, like as far as what you want out
Speaker 5: of what a guy can do and his technique and
Speaker 5: explosion and all this stuff. But I think it was
Speaker 5: what the last four years, only one season with more
Speaker 5: than seven and a half sacks, Like I was shocked
Speaker 5: by that. Yeah, So that just he's heard and the
Speaker 5: production hasn't been there anyways. So it's like, I know
Speaker 5: he's a great player, but I don't know if they
Speaker 5: can just run it back at that number. So and
Speaker 5: I don't know they want to extend him either, so
Speaker 5: you got to maybe they can restructure it or come
Speaker 5: to sort of an agreement where he wants to stay,
Speaker 5: maybe he wants to get out and go play with
Speaker 5: his brother in Sam fran I mean, it seems like
Speaker 5: all options will probably be on the table there.
Speaker 2: I look at what Washington did last year with its
Speaker 2: younger edge rushers, right, you know the Bears trade a
Speaker 2: second and then have to pay Montest sweat the or
Speaker 2: Chase Young goes to San Francisco for a third. Yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously different case, but still edge rushers. It's just it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting dynamic because Khalil has been healthy with
Speaker 2: the Chargers and very productive. It's like, do you do
Speaker 2: you roll the dice on that for another year? Because
Speaker 2: he only has one year left. And then Joey, who
Speaker 2: hasn't been healthy. When he is healthy, he's among the
Speaker 2: best in the NFL. So do you think that, you know,
Speaker 2: eyes in double holder right, there's thirty two NFL team.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's one team or two teams
Speaker 2: that may say, hey, you know what we can we
Speaker 2: can work with Joey. You're like, we can make Khalil
Speaker 2: our missing.
Speaker 5: Link, probably just at a cost. It really depends on
Speaker 5: what teams would be willing to give up on that scenario.
Speaker 5: And the Chargers, as long as they make a few moves,
Speaker 5: they don't have to address all four contracts necessarily. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, like if they get enough space, then they
Speaker 5: could maybe keep mackt his number. It'd be tough, you know,
Speaker 5: because it's high. But these teams can create cab space
Speaker 5: restructures pretty quickly. You can make fifty million dollars go
Speaker 5: away in a hurry. So they have to make a
Speaker 5: few moves, but they don't necessarily have to do all four.
Speaker 5: So maybe they run it back with one of those
Speaker 5: two pass rushers at their current number.
Speaker 3: Kind Of one of the things that we feel like
Speaker 3: they want more than anything is to trade back from
Speaker 3: number five, But that, of course is going to be
Speaker 3: predicated on a fourth quarterback working his way into that
Speaker 3: number five spot or maybe the third one slipping. So
Speaker 3: you mentioned free agency, Jeremy, you know you've got Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. There are Justin Fields a trade candidate. You know,
Speaker 3: it feels like Atlanta, Denver, Minnesota, maybe depending on Kirk. Like,
Speaker 3: what do you how do you think the free agent
Speaker 3: thing works with these quarterbacks and where.
Speaker 5: They end up. Well, Chicago's in the driver's seat. They
Speaker 5: really have to make a move before anything happens. I
Speaker 5: think you know that they have to trade Justin Fields
Speaker 5: at some point and probably want to do it before
Speaker 5: the new league year out of respect for him. Right,
Speaker 5: that's assuming they're taking Kayleb Williams or a quarterback at
Speaker 5: number one. But I haven't talked to anybody who believes
Speaker 5: the opposite, you know.
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Pohl said that too. He's like, we
Speaker 1: want to do right by Justin Yeah.
Speaker 5: The direction, I mean he was hinting at that reality.
Speaker 5: So that has to drop before anything else. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, the what do you.
Speaker 4: Think that market is? By the way, is it robust?
Speaker 5: Or now I mean teams I've talked to, say a
Speaker 5: day two pick. He's worth a day two pick, maybe
Speaker 5: a second at the highest, maybe even a third, but
Speaker 5: as a day two somewhere right. So not robust but
Speaker 5: not bad, you know, but I don't know it. It's interesting.
Speaker 5: I don't know a natural home firm. I would say Atlanta,
Speaker 5: but their offense with the coordinator coming from the Sean
Speaker 5: McVeagh tree passing with rhythm and timing. I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's his right offense. Maybe they could tweak it,
Speaker 5: you know, Pittsburgh would be a great fit, but I
Speaker 5: don't know that. They don't just run it back with
Speaker 5: Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph. So somebody has to be
Speaker 5: in love with Justin Fields to do it. I don't
Speaker 5: quite know who that is just yet, but I think
Speaker 5: there's interest certainly. But we'll see who pulls the trigger on.
Speaker 4: And what about Kirk what do you think?
Speaker 5: So, yeah, Minnesota's gonna try, certainly, And my sense is,
Speaker 5: you know, he's been playing so well there that they'll
Speaker 5: they'll try to work it out. But you know, he's
Speaker 5: a great negotiator. He's got a lot of fully guaranteed
Speaker 5: or close to fully guaranteed contracts, and if they're sick
Speaker 5: of doing that, which they might be, right, that's their decision.
Speaker 5: Like that's really to me, it's an easy negotiation. If
Speaker 5: they're willing to do that, then it makes it easier
Speaker 5: to talk. They're not, then you know, he could get
Speaker 5: insulted and want to leave, and Atlanta would be the
Speaker 5: perfect spot for him in my opinion.
Speaker 2: So the draft is obviously where the Chargers are going
Speaker 2: to build their future. But with free agency on the
Speaker 2: horizon and knowing that they may not have a ton
Speaker 2: of cap space to spend, there's certain areas where you're
Speaker 2: going to have to get veterans, especially if you want
Speaker 2: to build this running game. Because the Chargers running games
Speaker 2: has been frankly one of the worst in the NFL.
Speaker 2: They're trying to change that completely, flipping it on its head.
Speaker 1: How do you do that?
Speaker 2: And what are the potential options as far as offensive linemen?
Speaker 2: Maybe a running back that won't cost a ton. You know,
Speaker 2: the Charges have kind of gone down that well with
Speaker 2: fourth round, third round picks. I'll be with you the
Speaker 2: previous administration, but yeah, what do you think they're on
Speaker 2: that front?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, they're gonna have a lot of options.
Speaker 5: Picking at five as an interesting spot because if you
Speaker 5: want to get an offensive lineman, it's probably too high
Speaker 5: for a guard. There are a lot of good tackles
Speaker 5: in the draft, but if you want to take one
Speaker 5: of five, I don't know where they have them stacked.
Speaker 5: Running back is fascinating to me because I definitely think
Speaker 5: they'll upgrade there and they want to get somebody with
Speaker 5: some power and speed, and free agency has a lot
Speaker 5: of that. You know, Saekwon Barkley, Derrick Henry, you know,
Speaker 5: Andre Swift, all those guys. So we'll see Josh Jacobs
Speaker 5: if he gets free, and then you can always draft
Speaker 5: a good one day two or day three. So the
Speaker 5: theme seems to be the bolster the running game with
Speaker 5: a little more help in multiple areas. You know, I
Speaker 5: think they'll probably get a guard at some point, especially
Speaker 5: it sounds like Zion Johnson maybe hasn't lived up to
Speaker 5: it yet, but he's a young player that he can
Speaker 5: maybe still grow into that and some guys need two
Speaker 5: or three years, so it depends on how they feel
Speaker 5: about him.
Speaker 3: It was it did not go well for the running backs.
Speaker 3: That kind of voiced their displeasure with the way the
Speaker 3: NFL was working last year. The franchise tags, the amount
Speaker 3: of money they were getting paid really didn't deliver, and
Speaker 3: you saw these sort of discount deals deliver for Detroit,
Speaker 3: you know, for Chicago a little bit. Do you think
Speaker 3: we'll see that with these big names, with Derrick Henry,
Speaker 3: with Saquon Barkley, or do you think there's a market
Speaker 3: for them to get you know, ten plus millions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a market for some of them,
Speaker 5: but there are only so many chairs and the problems
Speaker 5: are a lot of good guys. So you know, Derrick Henry,
Speaker 5: he'll have the option to go back to ten to see,
Speaker 5: but it's probably up to him. I don't think it'll
Speaker 5: be a huge number, but I think they would come respectably,
Speaker 5: you know. Saquon to me probably has still as the
Speaker 5: best chance to get you know, ten plus million somewhere,
Speaker 5: but all bets are off of that market. It's just
Speaker 5: never been strong, will never but at least for the
Speaker 5: last five years, it's been a struggle. So I don't
Speaker 5: know if marquee names are going to change that all
Speaker 5: that much. They'll help, though, So yeah, I think there's
Speaker 5: decent money, but.
Speaker 2: Not great Jereba, how do you view this division now?
Speaker 2: It runs through the Chiefs. We know that that's the obvious,
Speaker 2: but Antonio Pierce is now the head coach in Vegas
Speaker 2: and they have a lot of work to do in
Speaker 2: terms of finding a quarterback and some other pieces. Sean
Speaker 2: Payton is looking for a quarterback, and you know, the
Speaker 2: Chargers bring in the biggest name on the head coaching
Speaker 2: carousel and Jim Harball.
Speaker 1: How do you view this division moving forward?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned Antonio Pierce. As far as
Speaker 5: coaching pedigree, you got like Super Bowl winners or National
Speaker 5: championship winners in Hardball's case, and then you got Antonio Pierce,
Speaker 5: Wo's just starting and never really been a full time
Speaker 5: coordinator for very long of college NFL level. So I'm
Speaker 5: fascinated by that. You know, he's gonna bring an edge
Speaker 5: and he had them playing good football late. So we'll
Speaker 5: see if that's enough, and you know, they can get
Speaker 5: the right quarterback and build around it. But they they
Speaker 5: seem more set on a reset probably in Vegas where
Speaker 5: it could be a year or two, and you know,
Speaker 5: the Chargers they can you know, there's still enough talent
Speaker 5: where they can get good in a hurry. Denver's sort
Speaker 5: of middle of the road. But you know, I think
Speaker 5: they're betting big on Sean Payton. They feel like just
Speaker 5: with his pedigree, his ability to maximize talent, use talent
Speaker 5: the right way will pay off. It's it's still a
Speaker 5: strong division, maybe not what it was supposed to be
Speaker 5: two years ago. Do you remember, well, yeah, yeah, remember
Speaker 5: that that's conference of all our best division of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they were talking about that because then, you know, Russell
Speaker 5: was still a hot name. The feeling was he was
Speaker 5: going to elevate them, and obviously that didn't work out.
Speaker 5: So not quite as good and maybe not as good
Speaker 5: as the AFC nor things like that, but but still respectable.
Speaker 3: Last thing for me, Jeremy appreciate it. I mentioned it
Speaker 3: kind of just a minute ago. And that's the fourth
Speaker 3: quarterback and talking to teams. Do you feel like it's
Speaker 3: gonna to go one two three quarterback and that maybe
Speaker 3: a JJ McCarthy is now working his way up and
Speaker 3: making his way onto a lot of teams Radars is
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 5: I think it will probably go that way. One two three.
Speaker 5: McCarthy's sort of a sliding scale. I mean there, I've
Speaker 5: told you enough scouts that love him. You know, maybe
Speaker 5: not top ten, but like, hey, I was a GM
Speaker 5: and I was picking twelfth or eleventh or fifteenth. I
Speaker 5: certainly think about it, right, So you know, you look
Speaker 5: at Minnesota at eleven, Vegas at thirteen, some other options.
Speaker 5: You know, it could happen, but I'd be surprised if
Speaker 5: he's super high. But the other three there's a feeling
Speaker 5: that it could very well go one, two, three.
Speaker 2: Right, Jerry Fowler, I know you're a busy man. Appreciate
Speaker 2: you stopping about Josh Weekly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, guys, appreciate it. Well.
Speaker 2: Money, this is a treat for me when college football
Speaker 2: in the NFL intersect.
Speaker 1: This is probably the best guess you can have though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know you want to talk about
Speaker 3: bucket list. When it comes to prepping for the draft.
Speaker 3: One thing you got to check is the Freaks List.
Speaker 3: And it really is one of the most entertaining and
Speaker 3: informative articles that you're gonna read every year. Bruce Feldman
Speaker 3: does it at The Athletic obviously covers college football for
Speaker 3: Fox very well versed in what we're about to watch
Speaker 3: over these next few days. Bruce, But I would imagine
Speaker 3: do people do people lobby you on their behalf to
Speaker 3: be part of the Freaks List? How does it work
Speaker 3: when you just start putting it together?
Speaker 6: They do.
Speaker 7: There's a couple players who have done that, and so
Speaker 7: you have to check it out and see, Okay, is
Speaker 7: what this guy has just emailed me out of the
Speaker 7: blue or over Instagram?
Speaker 4: Is there? You know? Is it legit?
Speaker 7: And most times it has been. It hasn't happened that
Speaker 7: many times. But it's like the guys who have you know,
Speaker 7: you talk to the coaches and they're they're not thrilled
Speaker 7: that their players are probably self promoting, but if they're legit,
Speaker 7: they usually like, okay, I do think because a lot
Speaker 7: of times the guys who do this stuff, you know,
Speaker 7: it didn't happen by accident. They've done the work and
Speaker 7: everything like that. So what was really cool for me
Speaker 7: because I've been doing it now for twenty years and
Speaker 7: at some point at Fox I became a sideline reporter
Speaker 7: and before games, I'd be on the field and there
Speaker 7: would be NFL scouts and they'd come up and talk
Speaker 7: to me about the Freaks List, and I was like
Speaker 7: kind of blown away. By the people who are reading
Speaker 7: it and the caliber of people in the NFL who
Speaker 7: have awareness of it, and then it kept growing, and
Speaker 7: so at one point, probably within the last five years,
Speaker 7: I started using the Scouts for Intel as well, because
Speaker 7: they have obviously a lot of it, and it just
Speaker 7: it's become a project I work on all year round,
Speaker 7: but really for like the last three months before it
Speaker 7: comes out. The one thing that's that got tricky in
Speaker 7: the last couple of years were and I remember you
Speaker 7: guys remember obviously Trek Wollan, who's now been a terrific
Speaker 7: cornerback for.
Speaker 4: The Seahawks, But when he was at Utsa.
Speaker 7: I mean at the time, nobody knows who Utsa is
Speaker 7: really unless you live in Texas. His coach, Jeff Trailer,
Speaker 7: we talked about him. He goes, when's this going to run?
Speaker 7: And I told him specifically, he goes, Okay. He was
Speaker 7: like kind of hesitant because at that point you put
Speaker 7: out that there's a cornerback who's six 's four, who
Speaker 7: can vertical jump forty two inches and runs a four
Speaker 7: to three three, you know, big twelve and SEC schools
Speaker 7: are going to throw, you know, try to throw their
Speaker 7: way into getting that kid to leave, but if you
Speaker 7: run it right before training camp, he's kind of locked in.
Speaker 7: And I think that's one of the things that schools
Speaker 7: are like a little area of is putting somebody out there,
Speaker 7: especially if they're at a smaller school, that all of
Speaker 7: a sudden, now a bigger school is going to swoop
Speaker 7: in and poach them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll dive into this freaks list. I want to
Speaker 2: start with just Jim Harball and the fact that he's
Speaker 2: now in the NFL. You know Jim very well, and
Speaker 2: there's eighteen Michigan players here. Just your reaction to him
Speaker 2: actually being in La and Elsa Gundo now with the Chargers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean even you say it, it's still a
Speaker 7: little bit surreal. You know, like Jim was never anywhere
Speaker 7: as a coach for that long. This is the longest
Speaker 7: he had been at Michigan, and we had a lot
Speaker 7: of Michigan games, and you know, it's crazy because I remember,
Speaker 7: I think Fox we got like the first sit down
Speaker 7: he had a Michigan that was like one of these
Speaker 7: things where because we'd been working to get it and
Speaker 7: it was like can you get up here by Tuesday
Speaker 7: or whatever? It was like Sunday night, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I guess, and you know, all of a sudden, it
Speaker 7: was kind of a whirlwind. And then I remembered his
Speaker 7: first game. They were playing at Utah. It was a
Speaker 7: Fox game, and it doesn't seem like that long ago,
Speaker 7: but it was actually a long time ago, right, And
Speaker 7: you know, I think most fans, especially Big ten fans,
Speaker 7: remember he was kind of on a hot seat of sorts.
Speaker 7: Couldn't beat the art trivel, that hated our trival. And
Speaker 7: then you know, I think he got a group of
Speaker 7: players who were really, really resilient, you know, in that group,
Speaker 7: Aiden Hutchinson absolutely, and there was a bunch of them
Speaker 7: and they finally beat they finally beat the Buckeyes. And
Speaker 7: then I think they took a chip on their shoulder
Speaker 7: of like everyone thought that was a fluke, there was snow,
Speaker 7: it was this, It was that, And what you realize
Speaker 7: was him and a name that I don't know if
Speaker 7: Charger fans know much about. And then and again, at
Speaker 7: college football is different how it and NFL. But like
Speaker 7: his strength, coach Ben Herbert was invaluable to them, creating
Speaker 7: the culture and developing the toughness. And you mentioned eighteen
Speaker 7: guys here and they did things in the development aspect
Speaker 7: of players that honestly nobody has done in college football,
Speaker 7: like Nick Saban's done at an incredibly high level in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 7: But I do think they were they were working with
Speaker 7: like less and more less. You know, they were working
Speaker 7: with more foreign five star guys and these You know,
Speaker 7: there's a guy walking around here and you know, hope
Speaker 7: you guys meet him, Chris Jenkins, whose dad was a
Speaker 7: famous defensive lineman, Chris Jenkins, as Jim told me over
Speaker 7: the summer, the mutant of all mutants, and he was
Speaker 7: actually number one on our Freaks list, and he came
Speaker 7: in at like two hundred and fifty some pounds and
Speaker 7: now he's like three zero seven, and he's super explosive
Speaker 7: and he's selfless, and you know, like he kind of
Speaker 7: im one of the guys. There's a handful of guys
Speaker 7: who I feel like epitomized Jim Harbaugh's Michigan program, and
Speaker 7: he would be one of them.
Speaker 3: When you you mentioned he's you know, kind of moved
Speaker 3: along right San Diego to Stanford, Stanford to San Francisco,
Speaker 3: San Francisco to Michigan. Do you think, because we know
Speaker 3: we tried to get out. Like you said, there was
Speaker 3: a moment where it felt like Michigan wanted to get out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, do you think that's maybe him evolving, maybe
Speaker 3: him changing a little bit, that he did stick around
Speaker 3: a little bit longer, that those two sides were able
Speaker 3: to get along a little bit better.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I do think from people I trust, you know,
Speaker 7: a year ago, he had a real shot at the
Speaker 7: Broncos job, and from what I was told, he was like,
Speaker 7: I want to coach this team and meeting this team
Speaker 7: being the eighteen plus you know, eighteen guys plus everybody else,
Speaker 7: and I think he was really loyal, like those guys,
Speaker 7: you know. Around the National title game before, I remember,
Speaker 7: there was a lot of stories from a lot of
Speaker 7: conversations about cool Jim, and cool Jim was like a
Speaker 7: not an alter ego, but it was like they got
Speaker 7: to see different sides and when it was really when
Speaker 7: it was when things were spiraling bad and they won
Speaker 7: two games in the COVID year. It wasn't like they
Speaker 7: were two and ten, but there was two and four,
Speaker 7: two and five, and you know, I think one of
Speaker 7: the players told me Jim sent them, you know, emails
Speaker 7: about everybody, including himself, had to look in the mirror,
Speaker 7: and I definitely think there was an evolution that has
Speaker 7: to happen there now Jim Harbaugh, I think for people
Speaker 7: who are around him at Stanford and people who around
Speaker 7: him at the forty nine ers, Jim Harbaugh is still
Speaker 7: Jim Harbaugh, which is a unique, like kind of wildly
Speaker 7: unpredictable spirit.
Speaker 4: I think he's still that guy.
Speaker 7: But I do know from you know, one of the
Speaker 7: guys who is his right his right hand man for
Speaker 7: a couple you know, for a couple of years, there
Speaker 7: is a guy named Biff Pogi, who's this like borderline
Speaker 7: billionaire who now is a college coach at Charlotte. And
Speaker 7: Biff they were really close, and he talked about just
Speaker 7: how much that Jim got to show the players a
Speaker 7: different side of himself a little more. Maybe it was
Speaker 7: that mattered, and so I absolutely think there was an
Speaker 7: evolution of him. He's still the same guy, but there
Speaker 7: was parts of it that I think there was real growth.
Speaker 2: Bruce, we see a training camp and obviously Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: is going to benefit the most, I think from Jim Harball.
Speaker 2: In what ways do you think Justin's talents and Jim
Speaker 2: and the way he coaches can kind of meld together
Speaker 2: to kind of get Justin to where he should be
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Frankly, yeah, I'm curious how that how that'll work. So
Speaker 7: obviously Justin is super smart. You know, you don't get
Speaker 7: like a four to two and whatever biochemistry or whatever
Speaker 7: he was you know taking up there or major name,
Speaker 7: but super smart. He's obviously incredibly gifted. I think Jim's
Speaker 7: kind of not in your face style but whatever, you know,
Speaker 7: like he's it's you know, he's too old to be
Speaker 7: called brash, you know, like, but he is. I don't
Speaker 7: know what exactly that the word should be, but I
Speaker 7: think he can probably bring some stuff out of Justin.
Speaker 7: And I also think, you know, whether you guys are
Speaker 7: awake closer to this than me, you know, with the Chargers,
Speaker 7: but like whatever there was that was lacking, I feel
Speaker 7: like Jim Harbaugh is probably what seemed to be what
Speaker 7: they would exactly what the franchise needed, you know, totally,
Speaker 7: and I can't wait to see it selfishly because I'm
Speaker 7: in La, you know, and and look, you know, full disclosure,
Speaker 7: I really liked a lot of the guys on the
Speaker 7: Chargers old staff. You know, there were people had relationships
Speaker 7: with and everything, and they're good coaches. I just think that,
Speaker 7: you know, it kind of boggled my mind that Jim
Speaker 7: flirted with the NFL two years ago and he met
Speaker 7: with the Vikings on signing day, and it, you know,
Speaker 7: like to me, and I get it. I'm not a
Speaker 7: billionaire and I'm not the guy paying the checks. But
Speaker 7: like what Jim Harbaugh did with the forty nine ers,
Speaker 7: like they were spinning their wheels for a decade and
Speaker 7: like by year two we got them playing, you know,
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. Like there is no doubt he is
Speaker 7: a great football coach. So the fact that he landed
Speaker 7: in the Chargers and as opposed to like four other places,
Speaker 7: there's a huge win for LA and it's a huge
Speaker 7: win for the Chargers.
Speaker 3: I want to get back to the freak list just
Speaker 3: because you know, we hear the defensive players. You talked about,
Speaker 3: Chris Jenkins, He's gonna be talking on the other side
Speaker 3: of the curtain from where we're sitting right now, if
Speaker 3: he hasn't already. There's three It seems like completely freakish
Speaker 3: wide receivers at the top of the wide receiver group.
Speaker 3: How in terms of just I feel like we have
Speaker 3: this conversation every year about these freaky wide receivers. Do
Speaker 3: you think that's the case that next year will have
Speaker 3: another great group or are these three Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: Romatunse and Malik Neighbors truly like, as someone who sees
Speaker 3: the freaks and talks about every year, how are they outliers?
Speaker 4: They are?
Speaker 7: I mean, look like it's funny because at Ohio State
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior was the best that's come through there
Speaker 7: in a long time. And that and anybody who watched
Speaker 7: the NFL those oh yeah, you know, like a lave's
Speaker 7: turn out to be really good. Wilson's really good, and
Speaker 7: Terry mclaurin's really good, and you know Michael Thomas before that.
Speaker 7: And this guy is bigger, He's got you know, better
Speaker 7: straight line speed than most than a couple of those guys.
Speaker 7: Like it's almost like there's one quality that those other
Speaker 7: guys have that may match Marvis and Marvin, but not
Speaker 7: in a combination. He's more polished than the other ones are.
Speaker 7: He's probably more mature coming out than the other ones are.
Speaker 7: And I say that all to get to like, there's
Speaker 7: a guy coming from South Florida now who's considered the
Speaker 7: best receiver to come out of South Florida in generations,
Speaker 7: and he's going to Ohio State and people there think, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's actually better than Marvin or more gifted. So right,
Speaker 7: you know, yes, yes to your answer, but there's also
Speaker 7: like an asterisk with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the league neighbors is a freak. Like you know,
Speaker 2: seeing some of his tape over the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: I know Chargers fans are so high on him potentially
Speaker 2: at number five. When you see the needs on this
Speaker 2: team and the fact that they are picking at number
Speaker 2: five overall, Bruce, what do you think they do? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's late February. There's a lot to be determined. But
Speaker 2: you know, in a perfect world, you could either get
Speaker 2: a blue chip wide receiver or you trade back and
Speaker 2: just get a ton of guys build out this roster
Speaker 2: for the next several years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's so many good receivers in this draft.
Speaker 7: I would be hesitant to spend the to spend a
Speaker 7: pick that high.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: Like again, when I go out, when I was out
Speaker 7: there in August, I'm looking and it's like it's like
Speaker 7: you have a bunch of power forwards out there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: I know you've got Darius Davis, who's super dynamic return guy,
Speaker 7: but like, by and large, like it's an impressive physical group.
Speaker 7: And you know, is that the biggest need that you're
Speaker 7: gonna like, I think you can get a terrific receiver
Speaker 7: twenty picks later, you know, I really do. And I
Speaker 7: think there's probably fifteen receivers who I think will be
Speaker 7: really good NFL players out of this crop. And there's
Speaker 7: some really there's a lot of freaky receivers in this group. Now,
Speaker 7: different sizes guys, but I definitely think, you know, depending
Speaker 7: on like if you ask me, what are there three
Speaker 7: or four biggest needs, I think this is a position
Speaker 7: where you can still accomplish the need and get something else,
Speaker 7: maybe that high up.
Speaker 3: I know, uh on the freaks list. And again it's
Speaker 3: at the athletic there's offensive lineman on there, and you
Speaker 3: know how Jim Harble wants to play football in terms
Speaker 3: of the O line and whether it's at five or
Speaker 3: if they're able to trade back a little bit. But
Speaker 3: it seems like there are some exceptional blue chip freaky
Speaker 3: offensive lineman in this particular draft as well.
Speaker 7: There are I mean one that you know, Olu from
Speaker 7: Penn State excuse me from Penn State is six to six,
Speaker 7: three twenty moves really well. I mean he's a guy
Speaker 7: that you know. Penn State, you know had him at
Speaker 7: like four or nine seven, and any anything in the
Speaker 7: on sub five when you're that big is remarkable. Altrom
Speaker 7: Notre Dame is a really polished, well rounded like he
Speaker 7: is going to be a horrific NFL lineman. You know,
Speaker 7: I think you have a center who I think from
Speaker 7: Oregon Jackson Hard Johnson is a just a beast. And
Speaker 7: you know, I would ask your friend from you know,
Speaker 7: who does the senior ball like what am I like?
Speaker 7: Why are more people not talking about him? He was
Speaker 7: a dominant player and I think he's only going to
Speaker 7: get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so charges fans are talking about it. There's like
Speaker 2: four or five guys Bruce that that we hear about,
Speaker 2: I think from fans. It's neighbors, it's brock Bowers from Georgia,
Speaker 2: it's Jackson Powers Johnson from Oregon. But sticking with just
Speaker 2: the pass catchers, brock Bauers like, where do you land
Speaker 2: on him? He's an interesting prospect. He's he's a little
Speaker 2: undersized and you know money he has talked about it too.
Speaker 2: We have blue chip receivers at the top. Based on
Speaker 2: how the salary cap works and what wide receivers commanding,
Speaker 2: it almost makes more sense to just get the wide
Speaker 2: receiver early as opposed to a tight end like Bowers
Speaker 2: at five.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's a unique piece because he plays
Speaker 7: to me like he's six four two sixty not six
Speaker 7: four two forty. You watch him mall guys in the SEC,
Speaker 7: which is the most physical conference and has the best
Speaker 7: caliber athletes, and he would be dominant at times like
Speaker 7: he's a kid from NAPA went to the SEC and
Speaker 7: hit the ground running. I mean, you know if and
Speaker 7: I don't think he's you know, timing and testing here,
Speaker 7: but if he did, there were guys at Georgia who
Speaker 7: I trust her are like he's capable of hitting four
Speaker 7: four nine And if you watch his film, his film
Speaker 7: is really impressive. I think he's like Jim Harbaugh did
Speaker 7: some really cool stuff with a lot of tight ends
Speaker 7: and a lot of different things he does in the
Speaker 7: run game. Rock Bowers would would bring a lot of versatility,
Speaker 7: like he's gonna be like I'm if Kyle Shanahan were
Speaker 7: to ever get him, it would be like a huge
Speaker 7: problem for the rest of the NFL. Like he's the
Speaker 7: guy where I feel like he plays so many different
Speaker 7: roles and is so good. You know, he's he'll test
Speaker 7: really well at some point, but I think he's way like,
Speaker 7: you know, if you told me he ran four to
Speaker 7: seven four, it's supposed to four or five four, I'd
Speaker 7: be like, doesn't matter. You watch what he does and
Speaker 7: he's just a He's a great weapon. You know how
Speaker 7: he would fit again with Harbaugh and what he likes
Speaker 7: to do with tight ends. I think they would be
Speaker 7: really creative. And you know, obviously the Chargers is a
Speaker 7: franchise that you know, I grew up, remember when Winslow
Speaker 7: and obviously people remember Gates and it's like, Okay, this
Speaker 7: is a different kind of guy in terms of like
Speaker 7: size and length. But he's such a playmaker that I
Speaker 7: think he'd be hard not to want.
Speaker 3: I'll finish with this, Bruce, and we certainly appreciate the time.
Speaker 3: We know you get a lot going on. We were
Speaker 3: talking about just kind of the way that that Jim
Speaker 3: described what he wants this team to be what Greg
Speaker 3: Roman talked about with the game and the physicality, and
Speaker 3: a lot of people are asking the well, how does
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert fit into that? And I a team that
Speaker 3: you obviously covered and I called quite a few of
Speaker 3: their games. I said, well, I just look at when
Speaker 3: Greg and Jim Whretz Standford with Andrew Luck and the
Speaker 3: guy threw you know, for two hundred and eighty yards
Speaker 3: a game and thirty plus touchdowns in twelve games. Do
Speaker 3: you think does that line up for you? Does that
Speaker 3: make sense? Or is that just too different?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 7: I think that's a you know, it's a funny comparison
Speaker 7: because like Andrew is a big, physically gifted guy who
Speaker 7: ran really well, who was incredibly bright. That's Justin, except
Speaker 7: Justin has a stronger arm, you know, and and like
Speaker 7: a less famous dad, I guess, you know, like, but
Speaker 7: but you know, and Justin didn't. Justin didn't come through
Speaker 7: the and and definitely Andrew Luck was not entitled a
Speaker 7: former big recruit. That was not him at all, But
Speaker 7: he was a it was like a borderline manning ish,
Speaker 7: you know, coming into everybody knew who he was, whereas
Speaker 7: Justin you know, was walkable distance from Autsin and like,
Speaker 7: you know, it was on nobody's radar other than maybe
Speaker 7: Nevada and Oregon at one point.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 7: So, but I think in terms of like the physical presence,
Speaker 7: the physic like, I'm not saying he's going to try
Speaker 7: to turn Justin into Josh Allen in terms of what
Speaker 7: you know, how many you know, how he's running and
Speaker 7: what he does. But I think there's a lot of
Speaker 7: parallels between. You have a big, physically gifted quarterback who
Speaker 7: can really move and be a problem. You know, like
Speaker 7: a lot of times the Michigan offense was not you know,
Speaker 7: prolific in the passing game, but JJ McCarthy would make
Speaker 7: a lot of plays with his legs and I think
Speaker 7: that was a good get out of jail free card.
Speaker 7: And JJ can really run, he can throw on the run.
Speaker 7: But Justin's like three inches taller and probably thirty pounds bigger,
Speaker 7: and in the NFL, I think that kind of he'd
Speaker 7: be a problem in that And I think, you know,
Speaker 7: Jim Harbott to me is far removed from being stats.
Speaker 7: You know, like it's just like how do we impose
Speaker 7: our will on the team, how do we break the
Speaker 7: will of the other team? And how do we win
Speaker 7: football games? And I think all those things can work
Speaker 7: when you have a talent like that.
Speaker 2: Bruce last one for me, and it's not charges related
Speaker 2: if I have you here. It's been such an interesting
Speaker 2: off season for college football with Chip Kelly leaving to
Speaker 2: become an OC, the BC head coach going to the NFL,
Speaker 2: Harball retiring, Saban retiring. Is being a head coach in
Speaker 2: college football just so different now that it's too stressful
Speaker 2: or like, where do you fall in line in terms
Speaker 2: of why these guys are taking jobs in the NFL
Speaker 2: as opposed to just being a football coach.
Speaker 4: So it's a great question.
Speaker 7: The I'm working on a story now about kind of
Speaker 7: about this and a coach I know who is a
Speaker 7: really good position coach moved to the NFL and we
Speaker 7: were talking about it over text and go he just
Speaker 7: sent back, he goes, you know why and put period
Speaker 7: the sport is broken. And I think for if you
Speaker 7: ask six different people, you'll get three different answers and
Speaker 7: they'll be and they'll all be valid. But I think
Speaker 7: you know, on one hand, it's broken for some guys
Speaker 7: because the calendar is all screwed up, and that leads
Speaker 7: to you have no off season and no work life balance.
Speaker 7: And then for other guys, it's the challenges that have
Speaker 7: come with from NIL and that could be because it
Speaker 7: screws up roster management and culture. Coaches are control freaks
Speaker 7: and they want to be in control and they're not anymore,
Speaker 7: and no one's going to feel sorry for them, you know,
Speaker 7: right like that. But then there's also an element of
Speaker 7: how does this work with we have to dumb things
Speaker 7: down because now we have guys who are bouncing around
Speaker 7: so much, it can't be as intricate, and that ultimately
Speaker 7: hurts them in the development part because we've had to
Speaker 7: simplify things a lot. And also what does that mean
Speaker 7: to our locker room where everybody knows how much everybody's
Speaker 7: making and there's there's you know, it's human nature, and
Speaker 7: so I think all those things are real. And if
Speaker 7: if you can go to the NFL, you're probably going
Speaker 7: to go to the NFL, you know. I I that's
Speaker 7: the vibe I got. I know too many guys here
Speaker 7: who are like, they don't want to go back, you know.
Speaker 7: I had I met up with a buddy of mine
Speaker 7: who I knew when he was a college coach, he's
Speaker 7: been in the NFL for a half dozen years, and
Speaker 7: his whole feeling like he's he's he knows what's going
Speaker 7: on in college football, and he watches it and he
Speaker 7: has opinions on it, but he doesn't want any part
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 3: Wow, I know I said last thing, but just you're
Speaker 3: you're a coach too, and you're going to be uh
Speaker 3: coaching up some in a Chargers Charger launched.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 7: So yeah, we're excited about it. So I mean, thanks
Speaker 7: to them, and thanks to the Chargers for spreading out
Speaker 7: youth football.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: And I think the league that that that Snoop and
Speaker 7: and TJ are doing is in three different areas and
Speaker 7: one I know it's in El Segundo and Long Beach.
Speaker 7: I think the third area is Serrito's And you know,
Speaker 7: it's good. I think it's probably good outreach too for
Speaker 7: the Chargers because like the kids at that age, especially
Speaker 7: in the age that I'm coaching in as third and
Speaker 7: fourth graders, where I think some of them morty know
Speaker 7: depending on the kid what kind of kid it is.
Speaker 7: But some of them morty know these teams who the
Speaker 7: players are. But I mean, you know, like we all
Speaker 7: grew up rooting for certain teams and whatever makes it
Speaker 7: take hold, you know, matters, you know, right, And so yeah,
Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be really I think it's gonna
Speaker 7: be really fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're looking forward to it. Next Freaks List third
Speaker 4: and fourth graders.
Speaker 7: No, hopefully not that we're gonna draw the line on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Pretty, you appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Thanks money. The heavy hitters keep coming once
Speaker 1: you introduce our next guest.
Speaker 3: So, Lance and I had the great pleasure of many years,
Speaker 3: many years here at the combine for NFL Network in
Speaker 3: NFL dot Com of doing the combine from the field
Speaker 3: and we would sit at the finish line at the
Speaker 3: forty and we work with Maurice Jones Drew, I know
Speaker 3: that's why you're laughing, and I Taylor. It just had
Speaker 3: the best time, you know. When we first got this going,
Speaker 3: we were just kind of talking about the advent of
Speaker 3: technology and how much things have changed. But NFL dot
Speaker 3: Com would just opened a stream and from the second
Speaker 3: the combine started until the second it was over, we'd
Speaker 3: sit there for seven hours and Lance, for people that
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm sure most people know if you're watching this,
Speaker 3: but Lance is the guy that has to know every
Speaker 3: single player that potentially could get drafted come April. He's
Speaker 3: the one that writes all the bios for NFL dot com, yep,
Speaker 3: and for all of the people that work at NFL.
Speaker 3: So I would basically just plagiarize what you were writing
Speaker 3: and make it my own. So it's great to have
Speaker 3: him because any question you have about any player in
Speaker 3: the draft, he will be able to answer it off
Speaker 3: the top of his head.
Speaker 4: And it makes it an awful lot of fun.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 8: You know, it's gotten harder over the years since I've
Speaker 8: got five thousand of them done.
Speaker 6: The recall is not as great as it was.
Speaker 8: And I remember after twenty sixteen, we were in Chicago
Speaker 8: and you sent me a text. It meant a lot
Speaker 8: to me, and you sent me a text I was
Speaker 8: headed back to the airport you were flying out as
Speaker 8: the last on site draft that we did was in Chicago, saying, man,
Speaker 8: I can't believe you're able to come like really impressed
Speaker 8: you're able to come up with these guys information, And
Speaker 8: I really could like as soon and I'll get like
Speaker 8: that again. It kind of jars the memory again when
Speaker 8: you write so many of these Scouter reports, they kind
Speaker 8: of run together. But this is a great refresher at
Speaker 8: the Combine players. I wrote back in November. I'm like,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, oh yeah, I like this guy.
Speaker 6: I forgot about that, right, and so we'll do that.
Speaker 8: But doing Combine stuff with you was always a blast,
Speaker 8: and Bucky and just the people around that broadcast made
Speaker 8: it a lot of fun. And frankly, I think what
Speaker 8: we did then was really the map of what we've
Speaker 8: seen more and more television broadcast. You know, I'm in radio,
Speaker 8: have been for twenty six years, much like you. So
Speaker 8: the idea my show has always been a fun show
Speaker 8: on radio. Really that's leaking into too football and what
Speaker 8: we did on our draft broadcast and Combine podcast was
Speaker 8: always informative but very approachable and relatable, and I think
Speaker 8: that that's where more and more, and I think in
Speaker 8: a good way, more and more sports has gone in
Speaker 8: that direction. Maybe over the top sometimes for some people.
Speaker 4: But why I'm sitting here for.
Speaker 3: And why you're making the rounds maybe because it tends
Speaker 3: to happen. I tend to go a little over the time.
Speaker 6: No no, no, not you.
Speaker 8: I mean other shows I see now, like, oh this
Speaker 8: is too much. But no, you had a healthy dose
Speaker 8: of knowing mascots, knowing interesting facts on every player and
Speaker 8: then having a hit the ability the ability to mix
Speaker 8: in historical like historical presidential references into a cornerback.
Speaker 6: You know, things like that.
Speaker 2: Why I'm sitting here listen Lance's NFL podcast too, what
Speaker 2: you do with DJ and Bucky and just how that
Speaker 2: has grown over over the years. And I guess we
Speaker 2: should just start with Jim Harball and the fact that
Speaker 2: he's the Chargers head coach and what that means for
Speaker 2: the team moving forward in terms of how they're going
Speaker 2: to play football and how different the roster may look.
Speaker 8: I think I think that higher in the STRINGT Coach
Speaker 8: Ben Herbert are two massive, massive highers.
Speaker 1: We hear Ben Herbert the higher of Ben Herbert. How
Speaker 1: Ben is gigantic?
Speaker 8: That is Ben is a monster. I got to know
Speaker 8: Ben during the Joe Moore Awards. We presented the first
Speaker 8: you know, it's Offensive Line of the Year in college football,
Speaker 8: and we presented it at Michigan and I met Ben Herbert.
Speaker 8: And let me start with Herbert. This guy is incredible.
Speaker 8: He blends When you see him, you know, he's a
Speaker 8: strength coach. There's no doubt got baldhead. He's got a
Speaker 8: strength coach vibe. He's not small. He lifts legs and
Speaker 8: upper body and arms all of them. But the other
Speaker 8: thing is he's very in tune with physical performance and
Speaker 8: assessing physical performance. So he does stuff with stretching and
Speaker 8: flexibility measurements when guys first come in. He does things
Speaker 8: with body composition. He's open to sports science and analytics
Speaker 8: of any kind. Like he's very open to everything. And
Speaker 8: then he gets results. If like money will tell you,
Speaker 8: every year at the Combine, it's Michigan guys who are
Speaker 8: putting up these incredible numbers, whether it's Quitty pay or
Speaker 8: Aiden Hutchinson. This year, Roman Wilson's about to blow you away.
Speaker 8: He's on, He's one of many. Mike Santastril, the cornerback,
Speaker 8: is going to be good. But what happens is Ben
Speaker 8: knows how to get the most out of players from
Speaker 8: a performance standpoint, maximizes their explosiveness.
Speaker 6: And he does it.
Speaker 8: And I ask him, I said, you know you can
Speaker 8: do it coming from high school to college. That's I
Speaker 8: don't think that's the I think that's in the wheelhouse.
Speaker 8: What about coming from you know, you're already starting in
Speaker 8: the pros, and you know his whole thing is no, no, no,
Speaker 8: you can always always get better. You got to look
Speaker 8: at your process and if your process isn't right, you know,
Speaker 8: we'll change it. But he's a guy that players love.
Speaker 8: They respond to the weight room stuff. He gets people
Speaker 8: hyped up in the weight room, and and he is
Speaker 8: an essential hire for hardball because you know, as football
Speaker 8: people will tell you that weight coach can make a
Speaker 8: strength and conditioning coach can make such a huge impact,
Speaker 8: certainly on the collegiate level, but I think more and
Speaker 8: more people are understanding it can make that kind of
Speaker 8: difference in the pro game too, especially as it pertains
Speaker 8: to be an open minded to taking in all forms
Speaker 8: of improvements, maybe something that fall outside of the norm
Speaker 8: of what the old NFL strength coach, you know mode
Speaker 8: was Jim Harball.
Speaker 6: I think Jim Harball is is a coach who players.
Speaker 8: You know, he's not a yeller and screamer, obviously, he's
Speaker 8: a He's a coach who's a little different, you know,
Speaker 8: and you when you talk to him, you get the
Speaker 8: sense that he's got a little zach grinky vibe to him,
Speaker 8: which I think we'll all kind of understand what that means.
Speaker 8: Just you know, a different guy, but at the same time,
Speaker 8: players love him, they play for him, and there's just
Speaker 8: something about him where he understands, you know. I wish
Speaker 8: I could say it's some kind of genius x's and
Speaker 8: o's or he's the thunder king defensive guy or offensive guy.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is. It's just the hardballs
Speaker 6: know how.
Speaker 8: The family knows how to ceo organizations, and they know
Speaker 8: how to get the most out of people. And I
Speaker 8: think that's maybe what you know what the Chargers need
Speaker 8: right now? You got talent, can you start bringing it
Speaker 8: all together? And and I guess just executing a little
Speaker 8: higher level.
Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, for people don't know, Lance's dad,
Speaker 3: long time offensive line coach in the league, you've been
Speaker 3: around that particular position group. You write the scouting reports
Speaker 3: for every single player, regardless of position, but you really
Speaker 3: excel at offensive line because maybe other people don't pay
Speaker 3: as much attention. You go into great detail. So let's
Speaker 3: start with what they have, what they drafted in Zion,
Speaker 3: what they got in Jamari Sawyer, maybe what they stumbled
Speaker 3: upon in the sixth round there there are two tackles.
Speaker 3: We know what Slater is. Pipkins is on a pretty
Speaker 3: affordable contract. How much difference can can Ben Herbert and
Speaker 3: Mike Devlin and Nick Hardwick make with that current group
Speaker 3: versus using their first two picks on a tackle in
Speaker 3: a center.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's I think there needs to be
Speaker 8: some upgraded talent. I mean, honestly, I think the right
Speaker 8: tackle spot. I like what Pipkins does, but it needs
Speaker 8: to get better if you want to compete at the
Speaker 8: highest level, which starts with just winning the division. There's
Speaker 8: some very good tackles. This is a great year for tackle.
Speaker 8: I think San Diego is in a I mean the
Speaker 8: Chargers LA Chargers in a really great position because where
Speaker 8: they are is an easy trade out. You can move out.
Speaker 8: There's gonna be a ton of people that want quarterback.
Speaker 8: If the quarterbacks left, you can move back and still
Speaker 8: get your hands on one of the top three or
Speaker 8: four tackles. And I think there's gonna be different teams
Speaker 8: that really have different grades on one through four, one
Speaker 8: through five. But I think moving back, adding draft capital
Speaker 8: and then locking in on a tackle would make sense.
Speaker 8: You could go wide receiver, certainly, in that spot, and
Speaker 8: that would be I think that'd be great. But I still,
Speaker 8: you know, I also believe that this is a really
Speaker 8: deep draft and a second and third round for wide receiver.
Speaker 8: So when I look at the composition of the draft,
Speaker 8: which you have to look at it in a macro view.
Speaker 8: Too many fans get excited about first round picks, but
Speaker 8: really the draft and working the draft, second and third rounds.
Speaker 8: You talk about Sawyer, who is a sixth round pick. Man,
Speaker 8: that's an example of how very cost effective player can
Speaker 8: step in and have a big role. To me, you know,
Speaker 8: Fuaga from Oregon State is a phenomenal pass protector. I
Speaker 8: think you could look at JC Latham, who is a
Speaker 8: potential pro bow guard if he needed to move to guard.
Speaker 8: He's a people mover, but I think he's a good
Speaker 8: pass protector too. That's a guy who could be available
Speaker 8: you could potentially move, you know, five to eight to Atlanta.
Speaker 8: You've got Denver and as JJ McCarthy stock rises, you
Speaker 8: have Denver and Minnesota and all these teams. The Raiders
Speaker 8: right there at thirteen who could be in a rush
Speaker 8: to move up. And I think five is a sweet
Speaker 8: spot where you can move back and still get a
Speaker 8: great tackle if that's what you want.
Speaker 6: And let's face it, generally speaking.
Speaker 8: You need to find the really good starters in the
Speaker 8: top forty picks.
Speaker 6: For tackles.
Speaker 8: You can talk about being a deep draft all you want,
Speaker 8: but wide receivers you can go find guys in the second, third,
Speaker 8: fourth round. Tackles you kind of need to have them
Speaker 8: a little earlier. That's just when you look around the league.
Speaker 8: And of course we can find some outliers or some
Speaker 8: solid third rounders who became starters and things like that.
Speaker 8: But I just think you should build your roster to
Speaker 8: be a championship team, and to do that, having bookend
Speaker 8: tackles is a really big deal, especially when you have
Speaker 8: Ion Johnson. I think, is you know, gonna be a
Speaker 8: rock solid member of that interior. It's always a little
Speaker 8: bumpy for rookies. That's just the way it goes. But
Speaker 8: I think, you know, Mike Devlin's been around the block.
Speaker 8: He comes from an offensive line family. His dad was
Speaker 8: a long time O line coach, so or actually Devlin's
Speaker 8: dad was maybe a D line coach, uh if I
Speaker 8: remember correct, But his dad was in the league and
Speaker 8: and my dad coaching them.
Speaker 6: I think in two lane.
Speaker 8: So I like, I like where the chargers are headed,
Speaker 8: but I do think offensive line allows you to impose
Speaker 8: that will a little bit more.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the different flavors at tackle and that different
Speaker 2: teams will have them ranked differently. Which tackle do you
Speaker 2: think makes the most sense for what jim in the
Speaker 2: offensive line?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: J C.
Speaker 8: Latham, you know, So what they do a lot of
Speaker 8: is they'll do a lot of combo blocks, a little
Speaker 8: a lot of duo, which is the double team, and
Speaker 8: then work up to linebackers and stuff like that. He
Speaker 8: runs out of lot kind of a cloud of dust
Speaker 8: mentality up front when he was at Michigan, And so
Speaker 8: you want somebody who can who can and I think
Speaker 8: their tackles have been fairly average for the most part
Speaker 8: at Michigan, but from guard to guard, they're tough. They're
Speaker 8: physicals act centers. The guy who's hurt right now, but
Speaker 8: I think he's gonna be a good NFL starter. You
Speaker 8: draft JC Lathan from Alabama, and you're getting a guy
Speaker 8: who immediately starts moving people off the ball, and you
Speaker 8: start to loosen that edge up and you get a
Speaker 8: guy like Ecklerfe's back or really anybody you start running
Speaker 8: off tackle, there's a lot more room there. So from
Speaker 8: a pass protection standpoint, I think he's technically sound because
Speaker 8: he went to Alabama and their old linemen are always
Speaker 8: very technically strong. But the other thing is he has
Speaker 8: that ability which you don't see as much now with
Speaker 8: such a an emphasis on pass pro You have two
Speaker 8: guards that are smart, technically sound run blockers as well.
Speaker 8: I mean not guards, but tackles. So you got a
Speaker 8: left tackle on a right tackle who would have the ability,
Speaker 8: I think, to work great on double teams and really
Speaker 8: take some pressure off of Herbert in the passing game
Speaker 8: because you'd be able to run more. I mean, it's
Speaker 8: got to happen. You just you can't ask Herbert to
Speaker 8: do everything. You got to take some. But Latham, to
Speaker 8: me is the first guy I think of, and then
Speaker 8: you know, the next one actually could be a Faltana
Speaker 8: from Washington. He's a he's a mauler, he's tough. You
Speaker 8: don't have to get him that early. But if you
Speaker 8: wanted to move back and maybe move back again, he
Speaker 8: could be sitting there and at either right tackle or
Speaker 8: guard because you're not moving slater no matter who you draft.
Speaker 8: So I don't think you will. So I think I
Speaker 8: think the Charger's sitting in a great spot. Man, really
Speaker 8: at a really advantageous spot.
Speaker 3: What about you know, just basically lance, the way they
Speaker 3: work the money, it appears as though Corey Linsley is
Speaker 3: going to in fact retire. They need a center. It
Speaker 3: everybody talks about Powers Johnson, but you know, it looks
Speaker 3: like there might be one in the second Like, what
Speaker 3: do you what can you say about the centers in
Speaker 3: this draft because it looks like they're going to have
Speaker 3: the draft one.
Speaker 8: So Hunter, I think it's Norzab from Penn State is
Speaker 8: a starter in this league, probably a third round. He
Speaker 8: came from Cornell to where he was a tackle, went
Speaker 8: to Penn State. He's three hundred nineteen pounds, he's broad,
Speaker 8: He's got good sized bout six three to play guard
Speaker 8: or center, which you want to position, flexibility, and he's
Speaker 8: very physical. He's physical, but he's got great core strength.
Speaker 8: So when he hits guys, and I'm talking big guys.
Speaker 8: He rolled Johnny Newton from Illinois, I mean jerse On
Speaker 8: was he had him and was moving him around and
Speaker 8: I'm watching him, like, how are people not talking about
Speaker 8: this guy? And I realized, Oh, because he's just some
Speaker 8: center who had come over from Cornell, and no one
Speaker 8: really cares about that except me and people like me.
Speaker 6: As you can tell, yeah, and I like it.
Speaker 4: He starts talking about it.
Speaker 6: I was like, what are we doing here? Why is
Speaker 6: no one talking about this guy?
Speaker 1: I just wrote him.
Speaker 8: I think it was last week one of the He's
Speaker 8: probably my three hundred and thirty first ride up or
Speaker 8: something like that, And I'm like, well, this is a starter.
Speaker 8: Here's a sixty two for you, and so you can
Speaker 8: find starting centers. I know everyone's talking about. I think
Speaker 8: Graham Barton's going to be the best in this powers
Speaker 8: Johnson and Duke Yeah. Tackle, he's Teddy tackle on guard,
Speaker 8: but everyone says he can snap.
Speaker 6: He's terrific.
Speaker 8: But you have guys who, to me, you can go
Speaker 8: find starters third fourth round, especially Harball. Harball knows what
Speaker 8: they look like. They're gritty, they're physical, they get it.
Speaker 8: Get your hands on guys fairly quickly. And you don't
Speaker 8: have to have tremendous range in his offense either. So
Speaker 8: if you do, it's a big advantage, but you don't
Speaker 8: have to. You don't have to do that in the
Speaker 8: early rounds. You can go find him in a third round.
Speaker 1: It seems like Powers Johnson.
Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about this guy, and Zach Fraser is the
Speaker 2: other center that that we've been kind of talking about
Speaker 2: on this show.
Speaker 1: Is there a gap? Is there a huge gap between
Speaker 1: the guy from Penn State and in those.
Speaker 6: No, for me, Penn State's ahead of Zach Fraser. I'm
Speaker 6: lower on Zach frasier than other people.
Speaker 8: Okay, I think it goes Graham Barton a little bit
Speaker 8: of a drop off to Powers Johnson. Then I think
Speaker 8: Penn State. I think I have him three. I believe
Speaker 8: I'll have to see whom I have is my third center.
Speaker 8: But and then Zach Fraser for me is gonna be
Speaker 8: fourth or fifth, So we'll see. I'm not as high
Speaker 8: on on him. I don't think he goes in the
Speaker 8: first DJ does, so we'll see who's right on that one.
Speaker 8: But it really doesn't matter for what Jim Harbaugh does.
Speaker 8: You don't have to spend crazy draft capital on the
Speaker 8: center position, but you know he might, he might look
Speaker 8: into it if you really want to firm up the
Speaker 8: offensive line.
Speaker 6: But I just think I don't know.
Speaker 8: Does How important do you guys, think the wide receiver
Speaker 8: position is.
Speaker 3: We talk about it a lot, and it's you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's a couple of different you know, I think
Speaker 3: schools have thought one Herbert's so good, he's gonna make
Speaker 3: the other guys great. He's supposed to do you know,
Speaker 3: So do you really have to take him? But if
Speaker 3: you know Roma Dune say is what DJ says he is,
Speaker 3: and that's Larry Fitzgerald, How the heck do you pass
Speaker 3: up Larry Fitzgerald be sitting there like that's that's I
Speaker 3: think that's true to negotiate.
Speaker 1: And we know what Quintin Johnson is really, I mean
Speaker 1: plenty first year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I I was a little lower on him
Speaker 8: after watching the tape. Didn't think he was a real
Speaker 8: confident catcher in traffic, had too many drops. It was
Speaker 8: a little bit of watching the tape is a little
Speaker 8: bit of a concern for me. I ended up being
Speaker 8: lower than I expected. But you know, do you want
Speaker 8: to get in a spot where you're draft him back
Speaker 8: to back first round wide receivers? I mean, I don't
Speaker 8: know harballa yeah, on a hardball team, Roman Wilson would
Speaker 8: be a terrific second round So selection.
Speaker 3: Pause there because I know you're gonna get rolling here
Speaker 3: in a second if I forced you to take if
Speaker 3: I said, hey, you've got to take a Michigan player
Speaker 3: in this draft where you think they're going to go.
Speaker 3: Like so if it's a first round, you got to
Speaker 3: take him in the first round, secon, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So you're gonna have to draft that player
Speaker 3: where they would get drafted. But you have to put
Speaker 3: a Michigan player on this Charger team to play for
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh. Which one would you want and which round
Speaker 3: would it end up going?
Speaker 1: I think I would Uh, there's eighteen of them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it's a great question. Is I'm going through
Speaker 8: both linebackers right now, going through Chris Jenkins. I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm working my way through. Not crazy about the two
Speaker 8: defensive ends that you have to Nickel, I'd probably say
Speaker 8: romand Wilson because he can work all three.
Speaker 6: He's a very fluid athlete.
Speaker 4: And that's the wide receiver for people listening.
Speaker 8: If you're not a I think it's I think he's
Speaker 8: he's gonna run a four to three three here. Probably
Speaker 8: Ben Herbert doesn't miss so when he tells me a
Speaker 8: guy's gonna run something, he runs it, so he's gonna
Speaker 8: run about a four to three three, which is what
Speaker 8: he told me. He is a great worker. He can
Speaker 8: work the first level with catch and run stuff. He
Speaker 8: can do a lot of slant he can get open.
Speaker 8: He's very hard to guard out of the breaks. And
Speaker 8: then he's got that speed to take the top off
Speaker 8: the defense. So give me a guy who works all
Speaker 8: three levels knows the offense, I'd say Roman Wilson would
Speaker 8: be that guy. I'd draft him. I'd prefer in a second.
Speaker 8: You guys have a second, right, Yeah, I'd go second.
Speaker 8: I think he'll be there in a second. But jesse
Speaker 8: Minner be in the DC.
Speaker 2: Which defensive guy do you think would make the most
Speaker 2: sense because you got Jenkins, you mentioned the corner Junior Colson.
Speaker 8: Of all the of all the oh, I think Cole,
Speaker 8: I think Junior Colson would the linebacker from Michigan. I
Speaker 8: think if you could find him in a third, I
Speaker 8: don't know if he'll be there, but if you could
Speaker 8: find him, my guess is he goes sometime in a second.
Speaker 6: But that would be the guy.
Speaker 8: He's a very physical player who can run, and he's
Speaker 8: got a lot of attitude and one thing we've seen
Speaker 8: with Rokwan Smith going from Chicago over to the Ravens
Speaker 8: is when you get a guy like that who kind
Speaker 8: of sets the tone, players around him start playing more confidently.
Speaker 8: We saw that with Patrick Queen became a different player
Speaker 8: when he had an alpha in the middle, and I
Speaker 8: think that's one of the things that Colson might be
Speaker 8: able to bring to the table as well.
Speaker 3: All Right, last thing, because you got to go, yeah
Speaker 3: real quick, for people that are watching the combine, what's
Speaker 3: the one player they got to watch who's gonna just
Speaker 3: light this thing on?
Speaker 8: Fire Man Chop Robinson. Chop Robinson on tape. You know
Speaker 8: the production is not great.
Speaker 4: But you watch him Penn State Defensive End, Penn State Defensive.
Speaker 6: End number forty four.
Speaker 8: He's like a mic a light where he doesn't really
Speaker 8: know how to rush yet, but he's so explosive, fast
Speaker 8: and bendy that he can just beat you around the corner.
Speaker 8: He's probably gonna jump out of the gym. He's got
Speaker 8: a chance to run in a four to fours. I
Speaker 8: think Chop Robinson is going to be the guy to watch,
Speaker 8: especially on Thursday and the first day, and then Byron
Speaker 8: Murphy from Texas is about to run in a four
Speaker 8: to sevens at over three hundred pounds, and he's going
Speaker 8: to jump about thirty six and he's going to have
Speaker 8: a workout to remember as well.
Speaker 1: I wish we could do this for now.
Speaker 4: He's the best. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Problem, I love it. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1: So there you have it.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I wish the Lance conversation could have
Speaker 2: gone an extra thirty minutes. He's got places to be,
Speaker 2: He's at different different stations here on Radio Row whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it here in Indy.
Speaker 3: But awesome conversation, well, I think certainly. I mean, one
Speaker 3: of the things we can do is just get it back,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's probably for the best. I'm kind
Speaker 3: of hungry, I mean, because Lance won't just go for
Speaker 3: an hour, he'll go for three, so and I kind
Speaker 3: of would like to go grab some lunch, you know,
Speaker 3: I kind of a late breakfast. So the media meal
Speaker 3: here didn't do any favors. I thought it was going
Speaker 3: to be a nice like chicken caesar wrap.
Speaker 1: What was it? What was it today? Because what do
Speaker 1: you think it was?
Speaker 3: Was it like an Italian cold cuts with a It
Speaker 3: was it was almost like a salsa that was in.
Speaker 3: It was a very strange combination. So I took a
Speaker 3: couple of bites. I looked at Carly. She dusted, and
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, you're gonna finish it, not me.
Speaker 3: I'm tossing this thing out off.
Speaker 4: Carly.
Speaker 2: Do you want to give you your take? You would
Speaker 2: give your hot take on the sandwich that doesn't. We
Speaker 2: got our charges video crew here, the best of the business.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Man, it's been it's been so funny. We're not done yet.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow another a list, guest list, and we probably have
Speaker 2: some more for the rest of the month.
Speaker 1: Man, it's just been NonStop here.
Speaker 3: It's been great. It's the combine. You know, everybody descends
Speaker 3: by Indianapolis. It's where hope springs, eternal players that you
Speaker 3: think are going to turn around the fortunes of your team,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people that spend a heck of
Speaker 3: a lot of time. It's very to me. It reminds
Speaker 3: me a lot of the NCAA tournament, where nobody pays
Speaker 3: attention to college basketball. Then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: tournament arrives and everybody's suddenly an expert. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is you know, I long said George Mason was
Speaker 3: the team to keep an eye on it.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'm watched one.
Speaker 3: Same thing with this is now you've got people that
Speaker 3: are like Shop Robinson say something. I was watching all
Speaker 3: those pennst I watched that guy coming off the edge
Speaker 3: of you know, you didn't you just read Lance's scouting
Speaker 3: report and now you're telling us that you love chop.
Speaker 4: But that's what happens.
Speaker 3: That's It's always one of the entertaining things about the
Speaker 3: combine to me is how invested people are in New
Speaker 3: Hampshire running back that they're telling oh yeah, best running
Speaker 3: back since Chip, since since Ship was there. You know,
Speaker 3: Jim Kelly was running the ball for New Amsure, I
Speaker 3: love this guy. He's got to be great in the
Speaker 3: seventh round. But and that's what we're surrounded by right now,
Speaker 3: a bunch of people that are all of a sudden
Speaker 3: experts on all things college football and projecting them to
Speaker 3: the pros. And that's what makes it fun because nobody
Speaker 3: knows the answers to the test. There is no answer key,
Speaker 3: It's gonna take us five years to figure it out.
Speaker 2: The one thing about this week too, the gms and
Speaker 2: the coaches not stressed.
Speaker 1: The only time they're not stressed. I think during the year.
Speaker 3: The coaches so like, especially the coaches. That is one thing.
Speaker 3: The first the first year I came here, it blew
Speaker 3: me away. And I'm not gonna name names, but like
Speaker 3: there's certain spots where you go drinking and like it
Speaker 3: would blow me away. How many coaches worked absolutely tying
Speaker 3: it on night after night.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like, is this spring break for coaches?
Speaker 3: They have no responsibility. Yeah, Like it's they're just they're like, whatever,
Speaker 3: I got nothing to do. I don't have a game
Speaker 3: to coach. I'm just out here having a good time.
Speaker 3: And saw a handful of them last night, as a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, and they have very interesting drink choice.
Speaker 3: This is something like this is this a glass or
Speaker 3: is this a bucket? This is for you, this is
Speaker 3: your bucket.
Speaker 1: But what was it? What was the drink?
Speaker 3: It was double It was a double repisodo neat And
Speaker 3: he asked for a block of ice and they said
Speaker 3: they were out, and he's like, that's fine, I'll take
Speaker 3: it neat. And when I say they poured this double
Speaker 3: Repisodo tequila, it was he handed him one hundred dollars
Speaker 3: bill and they handed him I believe, like ten bucks back.
Speaker 3: So it was clearly high. It was top shelf tequila.
Speaker 3: It was at least four fingers of tequila in this glass.
Speaker 3: And he just walked away like it was like it
Speaker 3: was an apparall sprits or something. Then this is this
Speaker 3: is what we're doing tonight, all right.
Speaker 1: This is the inside information to get in Indy.
Speaker 3: And the next coach, by the way, asked me if
Speaker 3: I could get him a yellow red bull with ice.
Speaker 3: I was like, excuse me. He's like, they'll know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. It's like, all right, yellow red bull
Speaker 3: with ice, and that's all he was drinking. And I
Speaker 3: it was just a straight red bull, straight red bull
Speaker 3: with ice. At about one am, okay, it's like okay, well,
Speaker 3: you know, because we got to stay awake. Apparently we
Speaker 3: got to mix our we got to mix it up
Speaker 3: a little bit here. I need to get this yellow
Speaker 3: red bull in me at one am.
Speaker 1: The coach's baby, I will say this too.
Speaker 2: We got here on Monday night and Tuesday it was
Speaker 2: like seventy degrees. Walk out of the hotel today. Reality
Speaker 2: struck me in the face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit of a firm punch. Now, I've
Speaker 3: been to combines. I think we've had two or three
Speaker 3: in the past. I can distinctly remember too where it
Speaker 3: was negative, and I remember they wouldn't let us walk
Speaker 3: through the tunnel to get to Lucas Oil, so we
Speaker 3: used to. You know, the Indianapolis is connected by skywalks,
Speaker 3: so when it's cold, you can stay inside, from hotel
Speaker 3: to the mall, to restaurants to Lucas Oil. You never
Speaker 3: even have to go outside from your hotel. But they
Speaker 3: wouldn't let you go underneath the street to get into
Speaker 3: Lucas Oil Stadium because that's where they used to conduct
Speaker 3: all the medical exams, so you could that was off
Speaker 3: limits to everybody except for the doctors and the players
Speaker 3: that were here for the combine. So we would have
Speaker 3: to walk outside from basically the end of the skywalk
Speaker 3: to the front entrance of Lucas Oil, which if I
Speaker 3: had to ballpark it maybe fifty yards is what you're
Speaker 3: talking about. By the time, and I hope this isn't
Speaker 3: too graphic, by the time you would walk out the door.
Speaker 3: This one year, it was so cold and you got
Speaker 3: to Lucas oil. The snot in your nose would freeze.
Speaker 3: Your nose would be frozen together from those fifty yards.
Speaker 3: Like that's how cold it was, because your nose would
Speaker 3: start running the second you got out the door, and
Speaker 3: by the time you were in the middle of the street,
Speaker 3: it's now getting hard. And then by the time you
Speaker 3: get to the door, you're like, what is this? Where
Speaker 3: am I? Why are we doing this here?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 2: Okay, we just went to the CVS. I just went
Speaker 2: with our crew and David Bretto. I don't want to
Speaker 2: name names, but David Bretto was like, I don't even
Speaker 2: want to go in the CVS.
Speaker 1: I'm so cold, I'm gonna stay in the van.
Speaker 4: What did you get there?
Speaker 1: By the way, what did Dave get? You got a
Speaker 1: pedia light?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 3: Some people, some people go for the double Repisodo electro
Speaker 3: Electrolyte Max somebody who may have gone to Kilroy's. I
Speaker 3: don't know exactly. Some people go for certain things. Other
Speaker 3: peoples go for a nice light ninety five calorie beer
Speaker 3: with an orange slice in it. And we're not gonna
Speaker 3: name any names. You're having a good time, charge me.
Speaker 3: I hope you're enjoying the pods. It's been fun man.
Speaker 3: We got one more to go. Our normal time Thursday
Speaker 3: charges weekly for money.
Speaker 1: I'm Chris. We'll see tomorrow.