Speaker 1: A League fifteen to ten touchdown.
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Speaker 1: Do you think we're tired? We're not tired.
Speaker 3: Day three at the Combine Charges Weekly, your third podcast
Speaker 3: of the week has always joined by bat Money, Smith
Speaker 3: and Budding.
Speaker 1: Another gym of a pod coming up. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a pod tomorrow, so uh, breaking pot, We're
Speaker 1: gonna kept doing four. We got a lot of friends
Speaker 1: here at the Combine and they're all being very generous
Speaker 1: with their time, so we're gonna we're gonna take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. If they're good good with us, then we're
Speaker 1: good with them. And we're very excited about pushing forward.
Speaker 1: Today two of our absolute favorites. We start with Date
Speaker 1: Tyson and Mina Chimes today and then tomorrow we'll get
Speaker 1: our friend Brett Coleman, who does a lot of work
Speaker 1: with the Chargers, and Matt Miller, who of course is
Speaker 1: doing a ton of stuff as a draft scout for ESPN.
Speaker 1: But today, like for people that aren't familiar with Nate,
Speaker 1: I hope you are, because he does incredible work over
Speaker 1: at the Athletic somewhat played at Wisconsin in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Of course, his father, Mike Tys, longtime one of the
Speaker 1: best o line coaches in the history of the league.
Speaker 1: And you know, a great head coach while he was
Speaker 1: doing it for a while as well. And Nate's just
Speaker 1: got an incredible eye for talent, breaking down film and
Speaker 1: making it digestible for people that might not be used
Speaker 1: to stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously Mina coming in here. She's here with
Speaker 3: Nflive for the next couple of days. It was just
Speaker 3: a fantastic conversation with her as well. We'll start with
Speaker 3: Nate though, and you know you may see a resemblance, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll put a little we'll plan a little seed
Speaker 1: for you, so you may want to make sure if
Speaker 1: you're just doing this audio only to work your way
Speaker 1: over to the YouTube production or Chargers dot com where
Speaker 1: we have the video posted as well. Potentil resemblance. We'll
Speaker 1: see if you see it.
Speaker 3: Here's Nate, all right, let's keep it rolling with another
Speaker 3: great guess, Nate Tice. The Athletic joins us and Nate.
Speaker 3: This has been so fun for us because we typically
Speaker 3: do this podcast just me and money yapping about the Chargers.
Speaker 3: We get to pick the brain of so many intelligent
Speaker 3: people in the world of smarter than us. And and
Speaker 3: Nate is certainly up there. Uh tell me what this
Speaker 3: week is like for you, man?
Speaker 2: Oh long, No, it's it's good. It's for me.
Speaker 4: It's you know, getting in we have to get in
Speaker 4: pretty early in the week. But it's this week is
Speaker 4: always interesting because I always like, all right, these guys aren't
Speaker 4: working out till late in the week. But then you
Speaker 4: forget about the people business part of this. Yes, it's
Speaker 4: the it's the convention. It's the convention for football. So
Speaker 4: it's great to see a lot of friends and all that,
Speaker 4: but also just like, hey, I like this guy.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 4: It actually like getting the talk of a off record
Speaker 4: on that stuff. So for me that becomes really rewarding.
Speaker 4: But a lot of my work comes from just watching
Speaker 4: film anyways, so it's got a it's kind of a
Speaker 4: give and take of that like that. It's a different
Speaker 4: h I'm scratching than what I usually do when I'm
Speaker 4: layered up in my office, and.
Speaker 2: My sweach actually the same switch at least I shaved always.
Speaker 2: I shaved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little scratched, Yeah, that's it, a little scraggly
Speaker 4: beer than normal.
Speaker 1: But no, it's been going great. I will just I
Speaker 1: want to get this out of the way immediately. This
Speaker 1: is the first time that I think we've ever met.
Speaker 1: I feel like it might be, but I've always heard
Speaker 1: that that Nate does have a wrong resemblance to a
Speaker 1: certain number ten that plays for the Chargers. So for
Speaker 1: the people that might be listening, I'm sure you get it,
Speaker 1: but he does have a bit of a resemblance to
Speaker 1: our Justin Herbert, some of the folks that just jo
Speaker 1: this is actually just exactly, but we're just gonna talk.
Speaker 2: About scout offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
Speaker 4: I've gotten Stafford before and that was that's a scraggly
Speaker 4: beard and all that, and maybe I had a little
Speaker 4: bit of a gowls going on, so it like that.
Speaker 4: That was just a I'm I'm gett compared to quarterbacks again,
Speaker 4: because what I got I got really big for a
Speaker 4: little bit. And everyone's like, so you used to play line, right,
Speaker 4: and I'm like that was a I was a quarterback.
Speaker 2: It was like, that's I gotta start hiking or doing.
Speaker 4: Some cars, because let's get receiver and quarterback comparisons again,
Speaker 4: not left tackle or right tackle.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about protecting you. Justin Herbert, you obviously do
Speaker 1: a lot of o line work. The podcasts are great
Speaker 1: you do with Robert and obviously everything that you guys
Speaker 1: are doing over the athletic but a lot of people
Speaker 1: are pointing to offensive you know, line, center, guard, tackle,
Speaker 1: everything for this particular new coaching regime. What you watch
Speaker 1: it at Michigan, the way that they want to play,
Speaker 1: the way that Harball wants to play. How does this
Speaker 1: class stack up? And let's say you either stick at
Speaker 1: five or you're able to trade down, what would you
Speaker 1: be looking to do there?
Speaker 4: I love the trade down option for them because I
Speaker 4: do think the Chargers have several holes or several and
Speaker 4: it's a great opportunity to in this draft because I
Speaker 4: do think these positions there, even if moving down slightly,
Speaker 4: you can still find a blue chip type of prospect
Speaker 4: at tackle or I know a lot of fans are
Speaker 4: saying receiver, but it's but at the tackle position because
Speaker 4: there are the old Fashanres from Penn State, Joel from
Speaker 4: Notre Dame, jac Latham from Alabama, Amarius Mims from Georgia,
Speaker 4: who I'm really high on, even though he's only played
Speaker 4: a limited snaps. But when you watch Harbaugh, even Stamford,
Speaker 4: even San Francisco forty nine ers, and then now Michigan
Speaker 4: is he's building through the trenches. That's what he's gonna do.
Speaker 4: He wants beef, he wants he wants to run the
Speaker 4: ball and commit to that and also protect the quarterback.
Speaker 4: How did Justin Herbert? How did I get hurt last year?
Speaker 4: You know as I know that, And so let's keep
Speaker 4: him up right and let's let him play all seventeen games.
Speaker 4: So that's where I see that option is perfect here
Speaker 4: because I consider Fashanu and all as true blue chip
Speaker 4: top ten type guys, and honestly, I consider Latham and
Speaker 4: Mims even close to that. So even if there's a
Speaker 4: trade down option as well, going into the whole left
Speaker 4: tackle right tackle thing, Slater played right side in college
Speaker 4: a little bit, so like if you do want to
Speaker 4: move a former all pro over to the right side,
Speaker 4: there's that, But I just think it's like, just get
Speaker 4: your best five out there, and if you draft a
Speaker 4: guy that was on the left side and he has
Speaker 4: to play the right side, you have six months to
Speaker 4: train that.
Speaker 2: If they're a good enough athlete, it should work.
Speaker 4: So I think there's sometimes it's like, oh, we just
Speaker 4: got to get beef here this year. It's actually there's
Speaker 4: premium beef.
Speaker 1: There's choice the choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's choice stuff this year. And that's why I
Speaker 4: think they're actually can set up pretty well.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: We talked to Lanzerline yesterday about just the top four
Speaker 3: tackles in this draft and how it's kind of like,
Speaker 3: whatever your flavor is based on what the Chargers have,
Speaker 3: and let's say you just stick with Rashawan on the
Speaker 3: left side, what do you think makes the most sense
Speaker 3: with what Jim and company like to do offensively?
Speaker 2: Man, I think Fashanu because of his size.
Speaker 4: He's a little thicker, but all the Joe All from
Speaker 4: Notre Dame has some good movement skills.
Speaker 2: He's a former tight end and everything.
Speaker 4: But his flavor is a little different than me than
Speaker 4: what Harball would like because he is more of a
Speaker 4: finesse tackle, yeah, and a very good pass protection, more
Speaker 4: of a zone blocker as opposed to I think Harballs
Speaker 4: are on a gap scheme, a lot of at you runs,
Speaker 4: So I think a little more physical, a little bit
Speaker 4: more sized like Fashanu or even Latham from Alabama who's
Speaker 4: literally built like a globe. I'm really excited to watch
Speaker 4: him this week because he's big and he doesn't look
Speaker 4: like a tackle because of his body type, but he
Speaker 4: moves really well. So it's and he plays on the
Speaker 4: right side, and so that's a natural transition thing that
Speaker 4: makes sense, and same with Mims from Georgia plays on
Speaker 4: the right side. Mims is an absolute freak. You'll never
Speaker 4: see a more impressive offensive tackle prospect.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have reps right, that's.
Speaker 4: Eight starts, nine starts. He's almost like an NBA prospect
Speaker 4: that was like, you know, Kyrie Irving was a.
Speaker 2: Number one pick.
Speaker 4: He played like eleven games, or like a European prospect
Speaker 4: we've barely seen that's what he wore is like and
Speaker 4: usually don't get that attackle. Usually it's a guy that
Speaker 4: started for thirty games and all that. So he's just
Speaker 4: such a different type than we ever seen. But his
Speaker 4: upside is probably as it might be higher than any
Speaker 4: of these others.
Speaker 1: But do you say different type, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: Just an all world freak but also frickish athlete, but
Speaker 4: also just the lack of starts.
Speaker 1: It's usually all I got you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you don't usually see a tackle draft of
Speaker 4: this high that only has eight games played, nine games played.
Speaker 4: Like usually these guys, like I said, this has more experienced,
Speaker 4: so you don't usually if that guy has a lunits
Speaker 4: starts their third round guy, fourth round type of guy,
Speaker 4: not a potential top twelve guy. But I think Mims
Speaker 4: has that potential. And he played on the right side too,
Speaker 4: so that there's a little baffo match with the Chargers.
Speaker 1: It's funny, like the one name he didn't mention, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember who was that came on first. It's
Speaker 1: just it's for some reason offensive line is so different
Speaker 1: than everywhere else where. Somebody has you know, for Lance
Speaker 1: it was was Latham. Who was it that had Fuaga?
Speaker 1: They were like, the right tackle, it's over, you run
Speaker 1: the ball violent.
Speaker 4: I'm a little I like Fuaga and I have a
Speaker 4: more of a late first round grade on him, like
Speaker 4: it's splitting hairs, but you know, just like but compared
Speaker 4: to other guys, maybe a half tier his past protect
Speaker 4: and stuff. I think that he still has work to do.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people like his run ability,
Speaker 4: his ability in a run game. I'm not as high
Speaker 4: as others on that. I think some people see some
Speaker 4: finishing that he does well and he goes, oh, he's
Speaker 4: great in the run game.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like not as much as maybe I thought, but
Speaker 4: he's still great, A very good prospect, I should say,
Speaker 4: also play on the right side as well. But he
Speaker 4: to me is really more five maybe even six. Because
Speaker 4: then you get font New, the left tackle from Washington,
Speaker 4: who I would give a shot to play the right
Speaker 4: side on the right tackle. I think he actually has
Speaker 4: a good movement ability. He just doesn't look like a tackle.
Speaker 4: He's like six to four. He knows a little shorter,
Speaker 4: you know, but he's really he's a technician. He's strong,
Speaker 4: he's got good feet, or bump him into inside to guard.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people like my guard, but
Speaker 4: I'd still give him shot a tackle. I like him
Speaker 4: a little bit more than Fuaga. But that again, we're
Speaker 4: gone onto six guys that are all legit top twenty
Speaker 4: guys to me, and then there's cool kind of project
Speaker 4: he type guys like Tyler Geyton from Oklahoma. And then
Speaker 4: so you're getting into that way and right tackle see
Speaker 4: him from BYU. That's another kind of interesting like a
Speaker 4: big freak, too freak, a huge five star prospect, all
Speaker 4: that stuff. Yeah, he was an organ guy went to
Speaker 4: BYU very freaking another guy that doesn't have a lot
Speaker 4: of tape. You know he does, but not as much
Speaker 4: as some of these other guys. But then those guys
Speaker 4: sometimes I've seen other drafts, those guys are being like
Speaker 4: tackle two because there's not this much talent. But here
Speaker 4: those guys are seven eight like and that's that's an
Speaker 4: interesting tackle class.
Speaker 3: It's interesting too because we don't know the true opinions
Speaker 3: of these front offices. And we'll start a quarterback because
Speaker 3: you just did an article on Jay Danielson and I
Speaker 3: think that you push that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, popular guy around Washington. Fans are really happy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: So the consensus, it seems like, oh, three quarterbacks is
Speaker 3: gonna go one, two, three, So with the Chargers are hoping,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, is that there's a a fourth quarterback or
Speaker 3: one of these three fall to five. How much do
Speaker 3: you think can change here from the combine to draft
Speaker 3: day with these quarterbacks and kind of how that first
Speaker 3: five chase out.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the interview process is just so huge. You're finally
Speaker 4: getting these guys in front decision makers. They can try
Speaker 4: and rattle them if they have scripted the answers, Hey,
Speaker 4: you sucked on this play? How just really push them
Speaker 4: and see it.
Speaker 2: Is this our guy?
Speaker 4: So I think there's some confirmation bias where you guys
Speaker 4: are gonna go I already like this guy now I
Speaker 4: love him or I didn't like that guy he had
Speaker 4: that one wrong answer interview. I hate him off the board,
Speaker 4: and that's what it's kind of like that ramps up.
Speaker 4: So I think just seeing people like Daniels, which again.
Speaker 2: As chargers, it's like that's good.
Speaker 4: You want to yeah, yes, yes, Marvin Harrison Junior too,
Speaker 4: yeh yeah, yeah yeah yeah, build it up.
Speaker 2: But like that to me, I have May Williams, Trick
Speaker 2: May and kill Williams.
Speaker 4: Graded very highly, and you have May higher than Caleb.
Speaker 4: Yes it's one A, one B, but I do prefer
Speaker 4: May a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I in ten years of like officially scouted guys doing
Speaker 4: the process, I do now like it's Trevor May and
Speaker 4: Williams in some shape or form or the top three
Speaker 4: guy Trevor Lawrence are the top three guys I've ever scouted.
Speaker 4: I just I truly believe that I think Danils is
Speaker 4: a full tier below where he's more.
Speaker 2: Of like a late first rounder.
Speaker 4: So like, this is why Washington fans aren't happy with
Speaker 4: me right now because another and Patriot fans are going like, no,
Speaker 4: this is our guy, right And I kind of threw
Speaker 4: some cold water that with my article. But having said
Speaker 4: that that's me, there might be teams. I mean, Bill
Speaker 4: Belichick just came out. I know he's not with a
Speaker 4: team right now, but he came out and was just like,
Speaker 4: oh Daniels always so explosive all this that you don't
Speaker 4: know what these guys are gonna prefer.
Speaker 3: What was he before the season, like fourth fourth rounder?
Speaker 2: And I liked him. It's just that he has a
Speaker 2: lot of sizes.
Speaker 4: The number one thing he doesn't work over the middle,
Speaker 4: which is always a huge red alert for me. The
Speaker 4: comparison I've started making is that that's like a basketball
Speaker 4: player that doesn't shoot threes. You've better be awesome at
Speaker 4: other things you might. You must have a great arm outside,
Speaker 4: you must create a lot. He does create a lot.
Speaker 4: But the guys that I've the statistical profile that I've
Speaker 4: looked at and just watching on the tape to how
Speaker 4: he attacks, he plays a lot like Justin Fields, Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 4: even Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson has fallen off a cliff
Speaker 4: as his death, Listen has kind of dwindled. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 4: stopped running the ball last year and his the off
Speaker 4: kind of fell apart. And Justin Fields still has issues
Speaker 4: throwing the ball in the middle and Fields those guys
Speaker 4: are all I mean, Russ is two fifteen, Justin Fields
Speaker 4: is two thirty, Hurts is two thirty. Those are big guys.
Speaker 4: Daniels is two hundred pounds. Maybe yeah, like you know,
Speaker 4: you give it, take five, give or take five pounds.
Speaker 4: It's just there's not a lot of historical kind of
Speaker 4: data to point that this succeeds. Right, the only of
Speaker 4: the guys under two o five they've succeeded since two
Speaker 4: thousand modern football, it's Kirk Cousins, one year of Aaron Brooks,
Speaker 4: and one year of Jeff Garcia. It's like, so, and
Speaker 4: that's a fourth round pick, fourth round pick on drafted
Speaker 4: free agent they played in Canada. Not a top three guy,
Speaker 4: And so to me that's red alert. Red or alert
Speaker 4: still have a late first rounder because the guy can run.
Speaker 2: A form of three to eight or whatever.
Speaker 4: But there's just a lot more detriments to him that
Speaker 4: I think people have kind of expounded.
Speaker 1: On when you say the middle, like that's where JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy excels, and why they think this is going to
Speaker 1: be a really good week for him the interview process.
Speaker 1: Could you see him being a top five pick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say top ten even again, I have
Speaker 4: n't graded closer to Daniels, more like an early second,
Speaker 4: late first kind guy. But teams from certain offenses are
Speaker 4: gonna love him, teams being from the Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Offenses, so Atlanta, Minnesota and.
Speaker 4: Minnesota Raiders because what they're new with gets he has
Speaker 4: some background of that as well. I don't think people
Speaker 4: are saying Broncos with him. This is not a Sean
Speaker 4: Payton guy to me. May is a Sean Payton guide
Speaker 4: to me. That So that's where I don't see them.
Speaker 4: But that's where we just saw four teams, three teams
Speaker 4: right there, all in striking distance of that. So McCarthy
Speaker 4: rips them all over the middle. He throws really well
Speaker 4: on the move. But again I just brought the side
Speaker 4: stuff that applies to McCarthy as well. He's one ninety
Speaker 4: five one and he might wait two of five this week.
Speaker 4: But that's combine. Wait, that's another thing I have to
Speaker 4: bring up as a historical outlier. But he doing that
Speaker 4: stuff for the mill, doing that stuff throwing on the move.
Speaker 4: Daniels looks to scramble, or when he breaks contained, he
Speaker 4: looks to scramble. McCarthy breaks containing, he looks to throw.
Speaker 4: That is more realistic in the NFL. So that's why
Speaker 4: I think some teams watch them and go, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah that. I like that translating better.
Speaker 3: Date, if we said Michael had a clean injury history
Speaker 3: like he was, he was good to go, right, where
Speaker 3: would he be in this draft if he didn't have
Speaker 3: all the injury history.
Speaker 4: I still have like more of a third round great
Speaker 4: early okay, yeah yeah, and again thrown over the middle
Speaker 4: of stuff. I know I'm just being a dead horse here,
Speaker 4: but it's true. It's like this is what works in
Speaker 4: the NFL. So he's not very efficient. He doesn't really
Speaker 4: throw with that anticipation putting an arm zip. He likes
Speaker 4: to work on the outside, and when you don't have
Speaker 4: three potential top fifty wide receivers makes me a little hesitant.
Speaker 4: Like how that translates. They gave him no kind of
Speaker 4: pre snap operation stuff For a guy that started fifty
Speaker 4: games you'll play all that time. That worries me a
Speaker 4: little bit too. It's like, Okay, they didn't put a
Speaker 4: lot on his plate. You watched justin this last year.
Speaker 4: You watch myself in this last year. Watch watch how
Speaker 4: much Kellen Moore put on his plate, and he's checking
Speaker 4: all that stuff that's real And I never really saw
Speaker 4: that with him, some of the pre snap process stuff.
Speaker 4: I thought he kind of got away with that. So
Speaker 4: I still have more like a third round grade and
Speaker 4: then to get into the three stuff like that. So
Speaker 4: that's that's a little hurts too.
Speaker 1: So you're certainly familiar with teams in the middle of
Speaker 1: the country, and I think of runners, and it feels
Speaker 1: like there's some good runners coming out of the Big ten.
Speaker 1: Ackler's free agent, Joshua Kelly's free agent. We have no
Speaker 1: idea Isaiah Spiller was a healthy scratch or a number
Speaker 1: of number of games. Just your thoughts on the running
Speaker 1: backs and if you can think of one that would
Speaker 1: pair really well with with this coaching staff, give us
Speaker 1: someone from the Midwest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, my two guys.
Speaker 4: I really like Brylon Allen from Wisconsin, who I have
Speaker 4: a little bias to yeah, Odrick Estimate from nor Day
Speaker 4: and this running back class, I think because we got
Speaker 4: spoiled last year with Jean and Jamier Gibbs. Even myself,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's not a good running back class.
Speaker 2: That's whatever. Yeah, I study of these guys.
Speaker 4: I got okay, actually hold on sech Actually you know
Speaker 4: there's some guys I taking the second round. Now, those
Speaker 4: two to me fit what Harball wants. Big guys catch
Speaker 4: a little bit, but they can run every type of run.
Speaker 4: Estimates got juice at two hundred and thirty pounds. He
Speaker 4: can take any run to the house. He is a
Speaker 4: big back that's a little more finesse though more of
Speaker 4: a zone guy outside cut and then go. I think
Speaker 4: Allen's got a little bit of everything, but he's gonna
Speaker 4: be a little bit slower.
Speaker 2: I wait for him.
Speaker 4: Is gonna be interesting to see two. But those two
Speaker 4: they match what I think what Harble wants. And I
Speaker 4: would assume Blake korm is automatically.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be considered. Korme's got so much tread on
Speaker 2: his tires and everything like that.
Speaker 4: I love korm as like a real high end two
Speaker 4: like you know, like the third down back. Hey, he's
Speaker 4: gonna get eight to ten touches, but you know, like
Speaker 4: to spell the classics, you know, spell back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Jordan Reid of ESPN told us that Alan and Jim
Speaker 3: Harball are a match made in heaven.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 4: It makes so much sense to two hundred and forty
Speaker 4: pounds back that can run everything. And it's like, and
Speaker 4: he can take twenty plus touches if they want to
Speaker 4: roll that way.
Speaker 2: Those two make a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: What about interior line, Yeah, it seems like again we're
Speaker 1: hearing a lot of you know, Midwest Big ten, a
Speaker 1: lot of good interior state. Yeah, there's Powers Johnson. There's
Speaker 1: an Oregon.
Speaker 2: Guy as well. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Powers Johnson has kind of gotten a lot of pub
Speaker 4: He's such an exciting prospect. You don't see a lot
Speaker 4: of three hundred and twenty pounds centers that move like that.
Speaker 4: I think he can play guard as well. He's kind
Speaker 4: of a wild horse, though his hands are all over
Speaker 4: the place, like he's gonna be more of a His
Speaker 4: acclamation to the NFL is gonna be a little harder.
Speaker 4: I think his upside high upside. You could have as
Speaker 4: a center. I think he's gonna take a minute to
Speaker 4: get to there. He's new to the center position. That's
Speaker 4: a lot on a guy. Having said that, Graham Barton
Speaker 4: from Duke, I really.
Speaker 1: Like, could he play like every position?
Speaker 2: He can? He plays tackle.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be interior guy, but I think
Speaker 4: he can be. He could put legit thing. I think
Speaker 4: he can play four spots like where he can like, hey,
Speaker 4: after I play right tackle, I can play that for
Speaker 4: a game or two like that. But that's huge. Versatility
Speaker 4: is huge. And then there's Zach Frazier from West Virginia.
Speaker 4: And this is why, even if I really like his tape,
Speaker 4: what this is all about frastility, He's a center only
Speaker 4: just because of size and length and all that. So
Speaker 4: that's why maybe I have him as a third guy.
Speaker 4: But that having said that, that's three center types that
Speaker 4: I consider late first rounders. That's more than we usually
Speaker 4: maybe have one. Yeah, so that there's some legit. I
Speaker 4: really like Barden for the Chargers though, I really if
Speaker 4: he's there early second or thing or you do move
Speaker 4: back stuff because of just of his versatility, just because
Speaker 4: he could play center and he has experienced at that.
Speaker 2: He's smart.
Speaker 4: I always love that quarterback to center. Hey, we're gonna
Speaker 4: build together for ten years kind of thing, and you'll
Speaker 4: build that battery a little bit.
Speaker 3: My last question, and I'm gonna address you as the
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback justin we have to pick it five. We
Speaker 3: have no trade options. Who are we taking It's it's
Speaker 3: up to you. It's up to you.
Speaker 4: I would say that guy from Penn State coach, I
Speaker 4: know you have a lot of experience with him, you're
Speaker 4: playing against him in the Big Ten. But Old for
Speaker 4: Shanhu is the one Fashu. I would say, Forsan Fashu. Uh,
Speaker 4: He to me is just I just he does so
Speaker 4: much wrong.
Speaker 2: But you say, I feel like he just got his
Speaker 2: name wrong. That just gets his name wrong. No, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll what it was right, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: But for Penn State, it's just I think he has
Speaker 4: a lot of traits that you want at the tackle position.
Speaker 4: It's just just the movement skills at that size still
Speaker 4: has room to grow. He had one real bad game
Speaker 4: against a Hiose State that maybe go, but then all
Speaker 4: those other tapes really good. I think if some of
Speaker 4: his people were saying that he's not good in the
Speaker 4: run game, I actually think he's very good in the
Speaker 4: run game.
Speaker 2: I think he finishes. I think he's got good techniques.
Speaker 4: But he's the guy to me that's like, that's a
Speaker 4: franchise tackle at left right.
Speaker 3: Justin we can get them eleak neighbors too, just just
Speaker 3: I think about it.
Speaker 2: I just it's had on a hat for me.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 4: And also, if you're starting from its inside out, team
Speaker 4: building should always be inside out. I always look at
Speaker 4: receivers as the cherry on top. That's the hey that
Speaker 4: puts us over the top, that race by the ceiling.
Speaker 4: I think the Chargers in this weird it's so crazy
Speaker 4: in a twelve month span, they've gone from like we
Speaker 4: need the cherries on top to now I think we're
Speaker 4: rebuilding from the ground four up.
Speaker 2: So that's why inside out for them.
Speaker 1: So I'll finish with the least intriguing question from the
Speaker 1: folks that are listening, and that's linebacker. But I think
Speaker 1: about what happened to Baltimore when they traded for Rokland
Speaker 1: Smith and how different that became for the Ravens and
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray. Gone probably likely that Eric Kendrick's at least
Speaker 1: very real possibility he's cut candidate because of the cap
Speaker 1: compliance that they've got to figure out. So they got nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's and there's not a lot of linebackers
Speaker 2: in this draft.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 4: I think my highest guy was the linebacker from Michigan
Speaker 4: and Colson Colson, thank you almost called him. I was
Speaker 4: call him the running back almost had corum uh junior.
Speaker 4: Colson very smart, very doesn't have a high end ceiling.
Speaker 4: I think he's a limited athlete and everything. But I
Speaker 4: compare a little.
Speaker 2: Bit to Nick Bolton from the Chiefs like that, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: We know that we know Nick Bolton.
Speaker 4: Well three downs and can do everything very well, gets
Speaker 4: everybody set and then that they have experienced with him.
Speaker 4: And I think the defensive coordinator, like with all the
Speaker 4: free will and stuff, he handles all that really well.
Speaker 2: He to me in the second round is actually like
Speaker 2: the one guy. I kind of like that.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty pretty dire linebacker class.
Speaker 1: Definitely. Well, be sure to uh listen to all the pods,
Speaker 1: read all the articles. Uh, Nate underscore tice is the
Speaker 1: social media feed that you can get all the links.
Speaker 1: I would assume we know you're busy, Nate. Thanks man
Speaker 1: much appreciate it. Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Nate.
Speaker 3: Yep, another big time guess me and a kinds VSBN
Speaker 3: joins us and me.
Speaker 1: You just got in town.
Speaker 5: Yesterday, yesterday, Yes, how has it been so far?
Speaker 6: You know, I'm still on West Coast time, but excited
Speaker 6: to be here, excited to see some of these d
Speaker 6: linemen run.
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite things in the combine.
Speaker 6: It's one of the things where like you actually do
Speaker 6: get a lot out of being there in person and
Speaker 6: just seeing like I never I'll never forget seeing Jordan
Speaker 6: Davis run in person and just wow that Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was for me. That was Don Perry Poe.
Speaker 5: Oh god, yes, back in.
Speaker 1: The days when we were on the field and you
Speaker 1: know we had heard oh yeah, this guy's pretty big,
Speaker 1: he's gonna run fast, and like you said, when you
Speaker 1: see it firsthand, it is it is odd to see
Speaker 1: a man that large move like that, and you.
Speaker 5: See why it's so seductive.
Speaker 1: Yes, and sweat this year.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's been hyping it too, which I love.
Speaker 1: Yes, you gotta be careful with those. I never remember
Speaker 1: the guy's name, but there was a wide receiver out
Speaker 1: of Mississippi State and I you know, we used to
Speaker 1: do the stream, which I know exactly. Do you remember
Speaker 1: who it was what his name was, and he had
Speaker 1: it was like the perfect name because the name had
Speaker 1: like speed in it or fast or something like that.
Speaker 1: And Ike Taylor was like and you know he's the best,
Speaker 1: and he's just like, oh, hold on, everyone, now we
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta wait. This guy's about to light this
Speaker 1: place on fire. And the guy ran like a four
Speaker 1: and so hopefully sweat will uh will overcome the announcers.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get exactly exactly, so you're here watching d Lineman.
Speaker 1: We'll get quarterbacks. Let's start there, Mina, because you obviously
Speaker 1: know the quarterbacks. What do you think is it? Is
Speaker 1: it three? Is it four? Is it top five? Is
Speaker 1: it top ten? How do you see it working?
Speaker 6: I mean, it seems like four will likely go on
Speaker 6: the top half of the draft, which it's been a
Speaker 6: rapidly expanding number, as you know, started as two, then
Speaker 6: it was three, then it was three, going on the
Speaker 6: top four, top three.
Speaker 5: Now it's guys rising.
Speaker 6: But this happens every year, so you gotta kind of
Speaker 6: wait and see a thing shake out. There's also I
Speaker 6: think before I have a good sense of where the
Speaker 6: quarterbacks might go, particularly after the first three. You got
Speaker 6: to see how things shake out in free agency. Kirk
Speaker 6: Cousins some of the smoke around justin fields Chicago obviously,
Speaker 6: but yeah, there's certainly a lot of hype around these quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So hardball comes in and it's just a whole new
Speaker 3: vibe inga they have to build this thing differently. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of positions that I think depth leaves a
Speaker 3: little bit to be desired. Where do you start when
Speaker 3: you look at this roster?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just looking at the team sort of
Speaker 6: the depth start, trying to kind of assess the needs
Speaker 6: ahead of the draft, especially with such a premium pick,
Speaker 6: and I came out of it thinking I want to
Speaker 6: trade down and stock up. You know, kind of depends
Speaker 6: on what people want for five. You see, if you
Speaker 6: can get something, get a nice hal for that. But
Speaker 6: there's a lot of needs offensive line, defensive, both sides
Speaker 6: of the ball. In the trenches, I would say, cornerback,
Speaker 6: jumps out, tight end.
Speaker 5: I'm like naming every position. Yeah, I would tell you
Speaker 5: that's probably what I would prioritize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you so, you know, like people that
Speaker 1: listen and watch they they are a little more adverse
Speaker 1: to the idea of investing a bunch of high picks
Speaker 1: and lines. They don't quite understand that idea, so they
Speaker 1: get excited about shiny objects and wide receivers and tight ends.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've you've watched some some rock Powers. Kind
Speaker 1: of your thoughts on on what he brings and like
Speaker 1: what would be because i know, like DJ wrote, gosh,
Speaker 1: the idea of brock Powers on the Bengals is so exciting.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of your thoughts of, yeah, what you
Speaker 1: would invest in him and where you'd like to see.
Speaker 6: Really fascinating prospect because of the position more so than
Speaker 6: the player, because the player is very, very good, very complete.
Speaker 6: I don't tell you guys that I'm probably one of
Speaker 6: the more watched prospects in the draft because of the
Speaker 6: big games that he's played in. But just you know,
Speaker 6: he's an offensive weapon with balls, hands, amazing catch radius,
Speaker 6: the size of Mars, the sophisticated route runner, really smart player,
Speaker 6: decent blocker, will probably get better in the NFL. But
Speaker 6: is that a position that you can spend a top
Speaker 6: five pick on. I think that's an open question. And
Speaker 6: when people say, well, I don't understand, like, you know,
Speaker 6: why does that even matter if he's an offensive weapon?
Speaker 5: Well, because I mean you have picks like that.
Speaker 6: It's not only about the player, obviously you guys know this,
Speaker 6: but about the value, because the opportunity to get a
Speaker 6: premium position at a great value is very tantalizing. Also,
Speaker 6: I would say it is about the position in particular
Speaker 6: in the specific because tight ends historically have taken a
Speaker 6: while to kind of develop in the NFL, and I'm
Speaker 6: curious to see if the success of Sam Laporta and
Speaker 6: Detroit right off the jump maybe helped a second round
Speaker 6: pick who is not as good a prospect as Bowers,
Speaker 6: if that actually helps his draft stock. It really just
Speaker 6: kind of depends on, to me, at least, what your
Speaker 6: needs are, how many of those needs you have. And
Speaker 6: I think that's where things get tricky for LA because,
Speaker 6: as we just talked about, as a.
Speaker 3: Lot of needs, the three wide receivers at the top,
Speaker 3: how closely do you have those guys? Obviously MARVISA Harrison
Speaker 3: seems to be the consensus, but yeah, Rome and neighbors
Speaker 3: kind of nipping at his heels there.
Speaker 6: They're fantastic And I do view it as like a
Speaker 6: clear top three. I'm a Huskies fan, so I love do.
Speaker 5: Say so he's so cool because I watch.
Speaker 6: Him and I just think there's no way he can
Speaker 6: fail in the NFL. Like to me, he has his
Speaker 6: floor is just so high. He's so complete, he's going
Speaker 6: to be a quarterback's best friend. But I would still
Speaker 6: have him as wide receiver three just because explosiveness is
Speaker 6: such a premium.
Speaker 5: Neighbors with the ball in his hands is so.
Speaker 6: Just unbelievable, and you know, watching LSU is crazy. But
Speaker 6: when I had time to kind of go back and
Speaker 6: watch the tape, I was reminded, don't overthink Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just.
Speaker 6: I don't feel like it's extreme to say he's about
Speaker 6: as good as wide red receiver prospect as I've ever seen,
Speaker 6: And unlike those other two receivers, was thrown some pretty difficult.
Speaker 5: Walls, so you know, he's a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Batball catcher battle.
Speaker 5: Tested in that regard, I suppose.
Speaker 6: I mean, because yeah, Jane Daniels and Michael Pennix are
Speaker 6: just throwing these beautiful pearls to their guys, and Harrison
Speaker 6: Junior was tracking down some real, real ducks out there.
Speaker 5: So he's a really cool player.
Speaker 1: It's we've been talking about it quite a bit, just
Speaker 1: because a lot of mock drafts have have mocked either
Speaker 1: neighbors or don say to the Chargers, and really, you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. I don't think people realize like what
Speaker 1: Rome is going to do here, like what the combine
Speaker 1: is going to look like for him, just because it's
Speaker 1: hard when you watch football on TV to realize how
Speaker 1: big somebody is, especially when they're surrounded by other very
Speaker 1: large individuals in a huddle and there's offensive linemen and
Speaker 1: there's tight ends, and you don't you don't recognize that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rome Duday's a legit six to two. He's a legit
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds, and he's probably gonna run
Speaker 1: sub for four. Like he's really special. He's crazy like
Speaker 1: and it's just so fun. I think that gets lost
Speaker 1: in translation when you're watching this on TV.
Speaker 6: And that's what so unusual about not just this top three,
Speaker 6: but I would say like the top eight receivers in
Speaker 6: this classes, Like we're coming off of so many years
Speaker 6: where you have the guy, you know, there are a
Speaker 6: lot of undersized receivers. The receivers who were like big
Speaker 6: but maybe not as fast. You have so many like
Speaker 6: true X receivers in this draft. It's pretty unprecedented, frankly.
Speaker 6: But for the Chargers, you know, when you consider again
Speaker 6: the needs and the roster, and also I think the
Speaker 6: identity of the coach, Greg Roman coming in what they
Speaker 6: imagine they want to do on offense, I'm not sure
Speaker 6: it makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've talked about the defensive line, and right now
Speaker 3: as we talk, it's kind of a mystery as of
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen with Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of needs at defensive tackle. You know, we've
Speaker 3: talked about Chris Jenkins. Maybe maybe he's a second or
Speaker 3: third round pick that the Chargers identify. How do you
Speaker 3: assess what the Chargers defense is going to look like
Speaker 3: and kind of what jesse Minzer can can work with
Speaker 3: up front?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love watching jesse Mincher's defense. Uh, Brothers, I
Speaker 6: was so excited for my Seahawks to have Mike McDonald
Speaker 6: as their head coach. You know, obviously the shared DNA there.
Speaker 6: I think watching those defenses, the things that there's a
Speaker 6: lot of types of players that jumps out, jump out,
Speaker 6: pardon me, off ball linebacker. Athleticism is really important as
Speaker 6: well as smarts because it's it's a very complicated defense
Speaker 6: up front. I think that there are players on the
Speaker 6: Chargers already who I see fitting in well, tou Lee,
Speaker 6: who's obviously so good as a rookie. I'm excited to see,
Speaker 6: like what James what what this defense can do for him?
Speaker 6: For example, Again, give the amount of disguise they employ
Speaker 6: on the back end, but.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of holes that have to be filled.
Speaker 6: And I do think that that's, you know, outside of
Speaker 6: the offensive line, is probably what I would prioritize.
Speaker 1: What uh, because I think the Seahawks are probably going
Speaker 1: to go through it to a team, you know, intimately.
Speaker 1: But the idea of a band aid off and just saying, okay, well, Khalil, Joey, Mike,
Speaker 1: you know, let's we need to reset. These guys are
Speaker 1: great at developing. Let's let's develop some in players. Versus
Speaker 1: what if the coaches came to you and said, hey,
Speaker 1: give us a shot. I know it's not the best idea,
Speaker 1: but let's let's push some of this, give us a shot.
Speaker 1: With Joey Khalil, Mike, would you does that make any
Speaker 1: sense to you? With the cap going up? If if
Speaker 1: Jesse Minter came and said, no, I need two edges
Speaker 1: I need I think we need these guys, can we
Speaker 1: make it work?
Speaker 5: It would be tricky, I think honestly.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess it's you know, you're really you're
Speaker 6: kind of looking at four players, the receivers in the edges,
Speaker 6: you know, you guys in conjunction with each other, and
Speaker 6: seeing if, okay, maybe if we choose to make the
Speaker 6: sacrifice at receiver instead, we can prioritize edge and having
Speaker 6: a young edge I think maybe helps with two yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: potentially move on on that side of the ball. So
Speaker 6: you're looking at him versus you're looking at like Quentin Johnson,
Speaker 6: you drafting the first round last year, you say, okay, which
Speaker 6: of these two players do we think can like take
Speaker 6: the step to compensate for the loss of the the
Speaker 6: better it I mean, you know, Mac was fantastic here,
Speaker 6: so it you know, it's like it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: we're really talking about that, and we see how much
Speaker 6: better this offense is with Mike Williams. But you know,
Speaker 6: the previous receime left some pretty hard decisions in place.
Speaker 1: If you could only keep one, who would you keep
Speaker 1: out of those four Keenan, Mike, Joey Khalil.
Speaker 5: It's really hard.
Speaker 6: Well, I just don't see how this offense can run
Speaker 6: without Keenan Allen at the moment, so that would probably
Speaker 6: be it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, By the way, I was looking down, d run
Speaker 3: Ya Wilson to run Ya Wilson.
Speaker 1: There it is four nine man hold on everybody about
Speaker 1: the light like a Fortnight's what it was.
Speaker 3: Staying with the wide receivers, We've talked about the fact
Speaker 3: that because Justin Herbert's your quarterback, maybe that second tier
Speaker 3: of wide receivers like Justin can just elevate that player,
Speaker 3: whether it's like a Franklin or a Wilson from Michigan.
Speaker 3: Where do you kind of fall in that, Like you
Speaker 3: got the blue chip guys the no doubt are slam
Speaker 3: dunk neighbors Roma Dunza or Hey, we got to address
Speaker 3: the offensive line early and we can get one of
Speaker 3: these receivers because it's a deep class.
Speaker 5: Sort of like what the Chiefs just did.
Speaker 6: That's what you're talking about, right, Because after the super rule,
Speaker 6: people were like oh, did the Chiefs show us that,
Speaker 6: like wide receiver is not that important? And then obviously
Speaker 6: there was like it's Patrick Patrick Malmes, but it's also
Speaker 6: Patrick ma Holmes and Travis Kelsey. And by the way,
Speaker 6: the young receiver they drafted last year was really good
Speaker 6: by the end of the season. So I think you
Speaker 6: can only go so far and not prioritizing that position,
Speaker 6: because yes, the quarterback can elevate the receiver, but receiver
Speaker 6: not only you know, they have to do so many
Speaker 6: things right that it's I don't know, I would not
Speaker 6: consider that an opportunity to save money just because you
Speaker 6: got a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: Where do you come out on? And this is something
Speaker 1: that can be sort of popular in college if they
Speaker 1: recognize in a conference that their window does not look
Speaker 1: good at that particular time. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just play for two years down the road, develop
Speaker 1: and this guy'll be gone and they'll be gone, and
Speaker 1: that's where we're going to take our window. It's not
Speaker 1: as prevalent in the in the NFL, but just let's
Speaker 1: talk both Western divisions NFCAFC, Like what do you think
Speaker 1: the window is for the forty nine ers and what
Speaker 1: do you think the window is for the Chiefs, Like,
Speaker 1: how vulnerable, if at all, do you see those two
Speaker 1: teams to the three that are behind them to knock
Speaker 1: them off their perch this season or next.
Speaker 6: I think I see the Niners being more vulnerable to
Speaker 6: that than the Chiefs. They don't have that many free
Speaker 6: agents this year, but in twenty twenty five they have
Speaker 6: a bunch of guys coming up. At some point they're
Speaker 6: going to have to make a decision about paying the quarterback. Obviously,
Speaker 6: that's a pretty big advantage for them right now, whereas
Speaker 6: I mean Kansas City just showed us it doesn't really.
Speaker 6: I mean, they've had a lot of picks hit on defense,
Speaker 6: and some of their signings I think have been very astute.
Speaker 6: It's just was a very well built team last year.
Speaker 6: But I think when you have the quarterback, you always
Speaker 6: are competing and your window is never really closed. And
Speaker 6: then so when we were talking about team like LA,
Speaker 6: where I think the roster has a lot of issues.
Speaker 6: You don't punt, you just don't have to, you know,
Speaker 6: take some pain and eat your vegetables and address maybe
Speaker 6: un sexy positions and trade down and all those kinds
Speaker 6: of things.
Speaker 5: We've been talking about.
Speaker 6: But when your quarterback is one of the you know,
Speaker 6: five to seven best quarterbacks in the NFL, you're always competing,
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Chris? Is that like because as Chargers people, we
Speaker 1: go into these seasons and we go into this year,
Speaker 1: and we go into last year, and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are vulnerable. And I don't feel like that's
Speaker 1: a bad assessment. It's like, hey, look they got rid
Speaker 1: of Tyreek Hill. It's just we have Derwin James, focus
Speaker 1: on Travis Kelcey, and this offense can be had. I
Speaker 1: just feel like these last two years, we've looked at
Speaker 1: the AFC, and looked at the Bills, and looked at
Speaker 1: the Ravens, and looked at what we've had with the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and I can't figure out why it continues to break
Speaker 1: the way it does for the Chiefs and they end
Speaker 1: up just kind of doing what we all think they're
Speaker 1: not going to be capatable to do this year. Is
Speaker 1: it as simple as Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6: You know, it's been different stories different years. I think
Speaker 6: this year, ultimately, you know, the coach and the quarterback
Speaker 6: probably the most important thing, but the fact that they
Speaker 6: did hit on so many of those pieces on defense.
Speaker 6: You know, we talked about the draft and draft picks
Speaker 6: acquired and the Tyreek hiltrade that turned into some of
Speaker 6: the young excellent secondary of Carlosis is really good. But
Speaker 6: then when you look at some of the free agent
Speaker 6: signings they made, justin Reid for example, Ja Tranquil was
Speaker 6: really good for them, right, and you see, and I
Speaker 6: think coaching also factors into that as well. Having a
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator who's like probably should be a head coach
Speaker 6: and has been your defensive coordinator and has developed these
Speaker 6: young players is also a massive edge. They have so
Speaker 6: much continuity, you know there on that side of the ball.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think it's it's just a very well
Speaker 6: constructed roster. And then it helps, of course that you have,
Speaker 6: you know, two of the greats.
Speaker 1: Yes staying in the division.
Speaker 3: Obviously you got Mahomes at Herbert on one side, and
Speaker 3: then we don't know what the heck the Broncos and
Speaker 3: the leader's going to do a quarterback. How do you
Speaker 3: view this division specifically what Denver and Vegas may do
Speaker 3: to kind of changed the complexion of their offense and
Speaker 3: their franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6: Yeah, big question mark with the quarterback position. So it's
Speaker 6: kind of hard to even get a good feel for
Speaker 6: how competitive they'll be. But I think they're teams that
Speaker 6: were both sort of trending in the right direction last year.
Speaker 6: The ratest defense ID that was playing really well down
Speaker 6: the stretch, and it still has to add a lot
Speaker 6: of talent on that side of the ball, you know,
Speaker 6: good skill players. Offensive lines not too bad Denver again,
Speaker 6: you know some of them. The turnaround that they had
Speaker 6: was turnover luck and things kind of and I think
Speaker 6: some of the things, some of the trends from the
Speaker 6: first part of the season were unsustainable for them.
Speaker 5: But very good head coach obviously, Peyton.
Speaker 6: It feels like if either of those teams had for
Speaker 6: if either of them had a Herbert, they would immediately
Speaker 6: honestly like be better than the Chargers at this point, probably,
Speaker 6: but that's the odds of that are low for you guys.
Speaker 6: So I think the quite is like, Okay, well, if
Speaker 6: they get that next here, how competitive are they? I
Speaker 6: think that's where you're looking at. How much does the
Speaker 6: quarterback matter versus the roster and I don't know this
Speaker 6: Acy West teams all play each other hard, though it's
Speaker 6: kind of kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. They typically split except for the chiefs
Speaker 1: when who win all the matchups, but otherwise the other
Speaker 1: the other teams tend to split with each other. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go a little off the menu here, and I'm
Speaker 1: assuming I don't know. Maybe it's just my background in
Speaker 1: a particular previous career that I had that leads me
Speaker 1: to ask you this, And I don't think I ever
Speaker 1: have before. You have Wowie's Ali behind you, you're at
Speaker 1: home appearances. I don't know if there's just a such
Speaker 1: a strong connection to that one Pavement record that it
Speaker 1: has to stay there and hasn't rotated. But if it
Speaker 1: did rotate, yeah, if you if you were forced to
Speaker 1: take it down, like, hey, we've seen enough of this,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's replat it. Put up another Texas Ready,
Speaker 1: They're just breaks down, they're breaking down. You gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta takeow.
Speaker 6: I actually thought about replacing it because I have a
Speaker 6: custom paintingstom It's a painting of American Water, which is
Speaker 6: an album that I like a lot from the Silver
Speaker 6: Juice that the artists who made the album cover painted
Speaker 6: it for me, and I was thinking about replacing Wow, he's.
Speaker 1: Out there we go.
Speaker 6: But I just I've had Wow he's out for so long,
Speaker 6: I know, And honestly, like probably like once at least,
Speaker 6: what maybe twice a week I hear from someone who's like,
Speaker 6: why is there a Pavement album on an ESPN background?
Speaker 5: It just cracks me up every time.
Speaker 1: So instead of your own book behind You, which apparently
Speaker 1: is a very popular path, Nah, what go for that?
Speaker 1: Check out my book? It's behind me? So is this
Speaker 1: award that I got ten years ago? I'm sorry. What's
Speaker 1: the rest of the week look like for you guys?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're live from stadium today tomorrow. You know, it's
Speaker 6: kind of the beginning for us of all of this,
Speaker 6: so it's our kind of first crack and talking about
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks. I've been desperately cramming over the last week,
Speaker 6: the beginning of draft season, so I'm pumped. This is
Speaker 6: like one of my favorite join them. I just it's
Speaker 6: and it's it's cool for me too personally because I
Speaker 6: like college football. I'm a Huskies fan, so you know,
Speaker 6: I've seen these players, but there's a lot of players
Speaker 6: like I didn't watch during the regular season. So when
Speaker 6: I get a chance I'm like, guys, oh my god,
Speaker 6: like I was just having lunch by I know, I
Speaker 6: puind uh and uh Cooper Jean de Jean walks in.
Speaker 6: I didn't watch Iowa because everyone was like, this is
Speaker 6: so boring, like it was crap.
Speaker 5: That kid is good, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean good lord, he is a really really good
Speaker 6: zone corner and he walks in.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, oh my god, like, yeah, I just
Speaker 5: want your game.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I would ask you this because we asked
Speaker 3: uh Nate Tysis if Pennix had clean medical, Yeah, where
Speaker 3: would he be?
Speaker 1: In your eyes?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 6: I would if you had a clean medical I would
Speaker 6: view him probably like end of first maybe like around there.
Speaker 6: You know that in age is a little This is
Speaker 6: another thing that's horrible.
Speaker 5: Draft season. I'm like, twenty four. Send him to the
Speaker 5: retirement volleyballs right old.
Speaker 6: It's it's so crabby. I think with Penix, who I
Speaker 6: love as a college player. My question is like what
Speaker 6: we saw from it's actually it's kind of similar to
Speaker 6: what they're not some of the players.
Speaker 5: But it was a similar discourse around c J. Stroud
Speaker 5: what we saw.
Speaker 6: From him in the Texas Texas game and CJS around
Speaker 6: Georgia is what I mean. Where he was like so
Speaker 6: evasive versus pressure, stepping up in the pocket, firing over
Speaker 6: the middle of the field. Is that who he can
Speaker 6: be as a quarterback consistently because a lot of his
Speaker 6: production in college was, you know, bombs outside the numbers
Speaker 6: screens and my god, that guy throws beautiful, beautiful goballs.
Speaker 6: But for me, when I'm thinking about success in the NFL,
Speaker 6: you got to use the middle of the field. You
Speaker 6: got to be able to play under pressure, and he had.
Speaker 6: He did that in that game, So I think what
Speaker 6: I want to see is, Okay, can you do that,
Speaker 6: you know at the next level.
Speaker 5: I'm not so sure. I hope. So it's a great guy.
Speaker 1: Did you uh? Did you fall into the trap with
Speaker 1: the rest of the Huskies fans when all the speculation
Speaker 1: was Dan Lanning was going to Alabama of poking poking
Speaker 1: of your your southern neighbors, like, Hi, you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: your guy. Yeah, well, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there it is, right in your lap.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it was.
Speaker 6: It was a real roller coaster for me because, like
Speaker 6: I said, I love this Husky season so much and
Speaker 6: I'm so high into bor.
Speaker 5: But you know he's dead to me now, and I.
Speaker 1: Mean you can understand the guy doesn't want to go
Speaker 1: to the big kidding. I'm kidding, but a lot of
Speaker 1: Washington fans don't.
Speaker 6: Well then, I mean the getting grubbed though for the
Speaker 6: Seahawks really softened the blow. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 6: I have I have some friends who are Bama fans.
Speaker 6: I was just like roasting them because I was like,
Speaker 6: you can have bor. You know, I'm excited to see
Speaker 6: what Ryan Grubb's offense looks like in the NFL. I'm
Speaker 6: really intrigued because very different circumstances from Washington.
Speaker 1: With Gino or with Gino. You're good with Gino. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like a rider died Gene.
Speaker 5: I'm on Geno Mountain.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you and Greg Rosenthalt Gino.
Speaker 5: My I know Greg Greg is the mayor of Gino Mountain.
Speaker 1: Guy Enna our guy Chenna in Seattle too. You know
Speaker 1: we love Chenna.
Speaker 5: Miss Jenna na' is a good player. Comes back.
Speaker 1: We'll have a great week. We appreciate you stopping by
Speaker 1: the draft exactly. That's the plan. Keep telling people there's
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks, are the top five?
Speaker 5: Always say trade down exactly.
Speaker 2: Love Mina.
Speaker 3: What's funny is that she sits down and then she
Speaker 3: gets up and there's like five or six other teams
Speaker 3: that are.
Speaker 1: Coming by that so I felt bad. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: set up right when you walk in the door, and
Speaker 1: I was like, just walking the door, sit down and
Speaker 1: walk out, and she's just too nice. She's she's not
Speaker 1: gonna say no. But that's fine. I mean, like, the
Speaker 1: one thing that I take away from from today is
Speaker 1: it's now becoming pretty much just universal. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like we've really had anybody say, hey, you got to
Speaker 1: stick and pick at five. No, Mina said it, Nate
Speaker 1: said it, figure out, trade down, just pile up picks
Speaker 1: and uh. And it's Mina run Mina's Piranhas. They will,
Speaker 1: they will chew you to the bone. They will chew
Speaker 1: you to the bone. That that you got to get
Speaker 1: out of five. That that's just with a staff that's
Speaker 1: so good at developing players and has proven that at Michigan.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that that's why so
Speaker 1: many of these people are are saying, get out of five,
Speaker 1: get out of five, trade down, and work your way out.
Speaker 1: That's been the good sense this is hilarious. Way I
Speaker 1: feel so bad? Exactly, it's all right, Oh yeah, what's that?
Speaker 1: Oh that looks more like you than that one. They
Speaker 1: won't get that won't get you as many places Mina evicted. Exactly. There,
Speaker 1: all right, you get to see what it looks like live,
Speaker 1: are we Oh that's it. We're still rolling. So we're
Speaker 1: making the sausage man. You're seeing, you're seeing how it
Speaker 1: is made. Is this live? Live? This live? Alright, let's
Speaker 1: start it over from the top there, all right, everybody,
Speaker 1: let's let's go. Let's good, right of course, I was
Speaker 1: just reading liners. Let's yeah, let's do that work. Good work,
Speaker 1: good
Speaker 2: M hm