Speaker 1: Welcome back to everybody.
Speaker 2: It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: Scott Bagman, following me on the Twitter app Boglin Sports.
Speaker 2: I'm joined as always by my friend though Pat Fitzmorris
Speaker 2: at fits Underscore ff on the Twitter Machine fits the
Speaker 2: essay as always.
Speaker 1: But you weren't here last week. We had to uh
Speaker 1: sub for you. Cody was awesome. We did a three
Speaker 1: round super flex rookie only mock. I think it went
Speaker 1: really well. Did did when you looked at it? Was
Speaker 1: there any pick that you thought, what is Bogman doing?
Speaker 2: What is Wormley doing? What is Cody doing? Did you
Speaker 2: have any of that sense of what's going on here?
Speaker 3: I have a sense of what's going on right now, Bogs,
Speaker 3: because I haven't actually seen it. I just got back in.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you what's stunned? You tell me what what
Speaker 3: surprised you of the picks?
Speaker 2: I don't think anything really was super shocking. That's why
Speaker 2: I was kind of asking you. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a little bit standard. There were a couple of guys
Speaker 2: that I like more than Cody, Cody likes more than me.
Speaker 2: Same thing with worm I think worm was like nervous
Speaker 2: about his he did he might have done the best
Speaker 2: job out of all of us, So I thought it
Speaker 2: was great. But today on the show, we are going
Speaker 2: to talk about tiering these rookies and we're kind of
Speaker 2: gonna build it out ourselves. Normally we go a little deeper.
Speaker 2: We were kind of debating between doing like an overall
Speaker 2: top thirty six since we just came off, you know,
Speaker 2: the most recent super flex mot But we decided at
Speaker 2: this point, because so much is still going to be
Speaker 2: decided by the combine, to go positional, and I think
Speaker 2: that's the right way. So what I did was, I
Speaker 2: have my tears. How I see it as of right now,
Speaker 2: things will change, The combine will change things.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Pro days will change a little. I don't really believe
Speaker 2: any numbers that pro Day's put up fits. I don't
Speaker 2: know about you, Like, I just remember, didn't jj R
Speaker 2: THEGA Whiteside run like a four to four at a
Speaker 2: pro Day something? And come on, man, like, you know
Speaker 2: this is like when you tell the doctor your weight
Speaker 2: instead of them weighing you. You know you're coming up
Speaker 2: light a little bit every time there. I feel like
Speaker 2: or if you're underweight, you're coming up a little over,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is, you're kind of eyeballing it
Speaker 2: a little too much instead of getting real numbers at
Speaker 2: pro DA's, and they're always favoring the player. I don't
Speaker 2: really buy any prodase. But the combine will of course
Speaker 2: change things. And it's not just the numbers that we
Speaker 2: see at the combine, right fits, it's what are the
Speaker 2: gms saying, what are the people in the know saying,
Speaker 2: is there you know, anything concluded? And then when March
Speaker 2: rolls around, can we get free agency to start?
Speaker 1: Team needs shrink and shrink?
Speaker 2: Players move higher and higher up boards in terms of
Speaker 2: you know what a team that is picking high needs.
Speaker 2: So a lot is still going to change, but this
Speaker 2: is kind of how we see it based on what
Speaker 2: has happened up till now.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely bugs, And of course we want to pay
Speaker 3: attention to the forty times for certain players, especially players
Speaker 3: who are maybe, oh I don't know, sort of on
Speaker 3: the on the cusp between being like a Day one
Speaker 3: or a Day two guy, or a Day two guy
Speaker 3: or Day three guy, and like who could really I
Speaker 3: think there's some people who could really help themselves, Like
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone is expecting Keon Coleman to run
Speaker 3: a sub four for forty times. He's just not that
Speaker 3: kind of a guy. But we also don't want to
Speaker 3: see him at four to seven, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 3: but there's certain guys I think who could run blazing
Speaker 3: fast times and really help themselves. And of course the
Speaker 3: jumps are sort of underrated to the shuttles, maybe more
Speaker 3: important for some people than others. I know some people
Speaker 3: were worried when DK Metcalf ran a bad shuttle time,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't really matter for a guy like that.
Speaker 1: Oh he's not that I think to make fun of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've talked about that one before.
Speaker 3: But the jumps are pretty good too because it shows
Speaker 3: explosion and we want that. So yeah, there's there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot to talk about after the combine, obviously,
Speaker 3: and we'll break it all down on this show. But
Speaker 3: you know, this is we're taking kind of a nice
Speaker 3: snapshot here box.
Speaker 2: Some of the basic stuff too, like you know, hand size, height, weight.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're we won't talk about him here,
Speaker 2: but like to and Andre Sweat, the big interior defensive
Speaker 2: lineman for Texas, didn't weigh in at the Senior Ball
Speaker 2: and everyone is like, well, why did he not waiy in?
Speaker 2: Is it because he's going to be four hundred pounds
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because he's a big boy.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was pointed out.
Speaker 2: I was listening to Trevor Sikamau talk on PFF and
Speaker 2: he said, well, it just makes more sense for him
Speaker 2: to cut weight and then he's going to run faster
Speaker 2: at the combine. Anyway, play big at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 2: cut as much weight as you can, and then your
Speaker 2: your forty time. It's going to be better at the
Speaker 2: combine as well when you cut weight. So I think
Speaker 2: it makes sense. But let's get into it. Let's start
Speaker 2: at quarterback here and fits this. This is how I
Speaker 2: see it, and I'll just give you the tiers that
Speaker 2: I have and then you can tell me what is
Speaker 2: different about your tiers. So I have four for quarterback
Speaker 2: right now, and I have the top three tier. I
Speaker 2: have them in a tier. Caleb Williams, Drake May, Jade
Speaker 2: and Daniels. The reason I have them in this tier
Speaker 2: together are and I think there are differences obviously, but
Speaker 2: I think to me, it's I put Jaden Daniels in
Speaker 2: this tier because I do still think he has the
Speaker 2: most upside. He has the most rushing potential of any
Speaker 2: of these three guys. Now, I will say that last
Speaker 2: year when we were doing this, we just took the
Speaker 2: fantasy guy Anthony Richardson, and said, look, maybe he's not
Speaker 2: as good as these other guys, but we know for
Speaker 2: fantasy they're all kind of close together. We're gonna put
Speaker 2: the guy with the rushing skill way at the top
Speaker 2: where he you know, where he needed to go.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people had CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud one, some people had Bryce Young one, but it
Speaker 2: was much Richardson and then the other two guys. And
Speaker 2: the reason that I still think Jade Daniels has the
Speaker 2: highest potential for fantasy of any of these three qbs.
Speaker 2: But I do think that Caleb Williams and Drake may
Speaker 2: are just more reliable because we have multiple years of
Speaker 2: them being the guy. Jane Daniels really did it. One
Speaker 2: year with Lsu, he won the highest and he was amazing.
Speaker 2: But is that the years with Asu. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say they were a pedestrian, but he did not. He
Speaker 2: wasn't on this hype train like Williams in May were
Speaker 2: coming in, so we've seen multiple years of it from
Speaker 2: those guys. I think they're safer picks. But I still
Speaker 2: have Jayden in there because I do think he still
Speaker 2: has the most upside in terms of fantasy.
Speaker 1: Is this the right tier? Would you leave Jade Daniels
Speaker 1: out of it?
Speaker 4: So I have a little different box.
Speaker 3: I see Caleb Williams as sort of a tier unto himself, okay,
Speaker 3: and then I've got a three man tier behind that
Speaker 3: with May and Daniels and JJ McCarthy, who I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a slam dunk that he is the number
Speaker 3: four quarterback in this draft. I think it's possible he
Speaker 3: goes ahead of either May or Jade Daniels. And I
Speaker 3: actually put my money where my mouth is bogs. I
Speaker 3: put a small little bet down where I bet JJ
Speaker 3: McCarthy to go in both the number two and the
Speaker 3: number three overall spots plus twenty two hundred at number
Speaker 3: two plus nine hundred number three, because I do think
Speaker 3: it's gonna be quarterbacks one, two, three regardless, and it
Speaker 3: would not shock me if JJ McCarthy wound up in
Speaker 3: the like. And it's such a projection for him because
Speaker 3: of the way he played at Michigan and how he
Speaker 3: was sort of asked to be this game manager. But traits, trades, traits,
Speaker 3: Like everyone loves the traits with him. The arm strength,
Speaker 3: what they've seen of him when he's asked to throw
Speaker 3: the ball frequently or throw it against good defenses, his mobility,
Speaker 3: his size, everyone loves that stuff. And like for me,
Speaker 3: Drake May has been my number two all along, and
Speaker 3: I don't doubt that.
Speaker 4: But it's funny. I've seen a lot of people sort of.
Speaker 3: Nay saying about Drake May, like they're not enamored with
Speaker 3: the arm talent for some reason, which I don't know
Speaker 3: how you watch his tape and not be very fond
Speaker 3: of the arm talent. But Daniels getting back to him bogs.
Speaker 3: He is the one wild card for me because it's
Speaker 3: hard to argue with what he did last season. The
Speaker 3: numbers he put up were absolutely phenomenal, and he did
Speaker 3: it in the best conference in the country. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, he had only this one year of
Speaker 3: other worldly production. He had, you know, possibly two of
Speaker 3: the top four receivers in this draft that he was
Speaker 3: throwing to. Although you know, no one knocked Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: when he had the same type of situation at LSU
Speaker 3: a few years before Jade Daniels had that situation in LSU.
Speaker 3: And he kind of takes a lot of slot knockers
Speaker 3: bogs when you watch him play.
Speaker 1: He does get popped any once in a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's certainly not Anthony Richardson size, so you worry
Speaker 3: about that a little more with a slighter framed quarterback.
Speaker 4: So I like Jade Daniels a lot. I'm just not.
Speaker 3: I've never the projection of the NFL has just never
Speaker 3: been a crystal clear one for me. So he's kind
Speaker 3: of a mystery box coming in that.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I still have him at third uh,
Speaker 2: because I just can't put him ahead of Williams May
Speaker 2: because I'm you know, I mean, I don't say I
Speaker 2: will never say can't miss, because you know, pretty much
Speaker 2: everybody missed on Rosen, right, so I want to say
Speaker 2: can't miss, But they're as can't miss as they come
Speaker 2: to me for Cayleb Williams and Drake May right. So
Speaker 2: that's why for me, I understand the love for McCarthy,
Speaker 2: I don't have as much of it as you and
Speaker 2: thor and Debro seem to have with McCarthy. I do
Speaker 2: like McCarthy, but I am a little concerned learned about
Speaker 2: the way he was used at Michigan.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: It was he passed sparingly and so much on the
Speaker 2: defense was focused on the run game that it made
Speaker 2: those passes maybe a little bit easier for him.
Speaker 1: So it's just about that transition.
Speaker 2: So my second tier, which obviously we're a little mixed
Speaker 2: up now, is I have but possible first rounders. McCarthy.
Speaker 2: I do think he's going to be a first rounder.
Speaker 2: I do think that Pennix and bo Knicks are on
Speaker 2: the bubble, right. I think that there's a potential for
Speaker 2: them still to go in the first round.
Speaker 1: Not so much.
Speaker 2: Because either one of them really deserves to be in
Speaker 2: the first round.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they do.
Speaker 2: I think in most years you would look at these
Speaker 2: guys and go, these are second round guys.
Speaker 1: But that's not the way the NFL works.
Speaker 2: When the NFL had nothing but third and fourth round
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the draft a couple of years ago, Picketts
Speaker 2: still went in the first round. Right team, some teams
Speaker 2: are quarterback desperate, and I think it's going to push
Speaker 2: these guys you up. I think you know, you get
Speaker 2: the extra year. I've mentioned this multiple times, get the
Speaker 2: extra year on the contract if.
Speaker 1: You take these guys in the first round.
Speaker 2: So maybe a couple teams straight up back into the
Speaker 2: first round at the bottom to get that extension on
Speaker 2: these dudes. So I think Pennix and bo Nicks are
Speaker 2: also potentials for the first round, so I'd put them
Speaker 2: in there with McCarthy. Obviously McCarthy is in a different
Speaker 2: tier for you, is the next tier for you?
Speaker 1: Just Penix and bon Nicks.
Speaker 3: I've debated whether to put Spencer Rattler in with those two,
Speaker 3: and I don't think Rattler has any chance to go
Speaker 3: on day one. And I agree with you that Pennix
Speaker 3: and Boenix both do a chance. Maybe both go, Maybe
Speaker 3: both of them slide into early round two.
Speaker 4: It's more of a.
Speaker 3: Mystery as to where Rattler goes. But would you be
Speaker 3: surprised if Spencer Rattler was better than bo Nicks.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would be shocked. What would
Speaker 1: be surprised? Maybe a little?
Speaker 2: You know, bo Nix has a pretty good track record
Speaker 2: ore Go, and I know everyone not everyone a lot
Speaker 2: of people talk about the Auburn but it's like he
Speaker 2: was starting as a freshman. We kind of talked about
Speaker 2: this with Cody last week. He was starting as a freshman,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was a weird situation, and the
Speaker 2: coaching staff has all gone, you know, so that is
Speaker 2: so far gone to me. I don't care about it anymore.
Speaker 2: What I care about is what has he done recently?
Speaker 2: And you know, Pennix and Nicks are completely different players
Speaker 2: that I think could end up looking close in terms
Speaker 2: of fantasy because they both do it in different ways.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the stat line
Speaker 2: may look the same, which is why you know, things
Speaker 2: like PFF you get different grades for the same stat
Speaker 2: line because it's different. But yeah, I think Pennix is
Speaker 2: this vertical passer. I think if you put him in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: I think if you put him in Tampa Bay, you know,
Speaker 2: I think if you put him in one of those spots,
Speaker 2: he's going to be great. If you put bon Nicks
Speaker 2: in a place with a lot of talent like Atlanta,
Speaker 2: you know where he is kind of being that brock
Speaker 2: Purty game manager. And you know, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: being a game manager, especially with the tools that you
Speaker 2: have if you're a brock party and in fantasy, I
Speaker 2: don't give a crap how it gets there. I just
Speaker 2: want the points to be the same, right, So they
Speaker 2: both could do it different ways, but they you know,
Speaker 2: it requires them to be drafted in the right place.
Speaker 2: I think bo Nix is a little more his success
Speaker 2: is going to depend more on the guys around him
Speaker 2: than Pennix. But Penix also had great wide receivers at Washington,
Speaker 2: three guys that are going to get drafted this year,
Speaker 2: so you know was I still think Pennix is great.
Speaker 2: A lot of injury history there too, But they're both
Speaker 2: a little murky. That's kind of what I have in it.
Speaker 2: Maybe McCarthy is less murky, but I still think there's
Speaker 2: a chance that they're drafted somewhat close together. So I
Speaker 2: put them in this tier. But you would have so
Speaker 2: you're gonna put Rattler in with them those guys or
Speaker 2: is this something that you're waiting for the combine results
Speaker 2: and maybe some of the buzz from the combine to
Speaker 2: come out.
Speaker 4: I'm on the doing that on the fence about it.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, I would say no, Rattler's not on the same
Speaker 3: tier as Penix and Nicks. But I think he almost
Speaker 3: worked himself onto the cusp of that with his senior
Speaker 3: ball performance. And I know he not not only like
Speaker 3: in practices in the game, but I think his interviews
Speaker 3: and like with the media.
Speaker 4: I don't know how things have gone with the teams he's.
Speaker 3: Talked to or if you know, he's had a lot
Speaker 3: of communication with the teams that might be looking to
Speaker 3: draft a quarterback. But you know, I know Eric Froton
Speaker 3: and some of the other people who talked to Rattler
Speaker 3: were really impressed by how he carried himself and you know,
Speaker 3: how business like and just seemed like he had a
Speaker 3: great head on his shoulders for a guy who's been
Speaker 3: bounced around a lot and came into the college ranks
Speaker 3: as this uber prospect and had probably more things go
Speaker 3: wrong than right for him at the collegiate level in
Speaker 3: so many ways.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 2: There's been less talk about Spencer Rattler, who has been
Speaker 2: amazing in the process so far. Then there was about
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett last season, you know, who was getting arrested
Speaker 2: during the Senior Bowl because he didn't go right. And
Speaker 2: there's a question to whether that guy is even going
Speaker 2: to play football anymore. So Yeah, Look, Spencer Ratler was
Speaker 2: a problem during his Netflix stays. That was five years ago.
Speaker 2: That's over, and he was a kid. You know, there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of maturation. He went from Oklahoma South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Now he's in the pros. There's once again a lot
Speaker 2: like the bon Nick stuff. I don't care that's in
Speaker 2: the past. What can he do for me now? I
Speaker 2: think Denver is a perfect spot for him. You know,
Speaker 2: I've said this a bunch of times too, But coach
Speaker 2: that has worked with a undersized quarterback and made him
Speaker 2: great before Sean Payton with Drew Brees, So I think
Speaker 2: Rattler would fit in Denver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we move on, just one one thing, Bogs,
Speaker 3: I'm not quite in love with McCarthy to the extent
Speaker 3: that deebro and Thor are. Just to be clear, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm very It's more, I mean I
Speaker 3: thought he was.
Speaker 2: Sorry did someone on this podcast just say that they
Speaker 2: put a bets on McCarthy to go second and.
Speaker 1: Third, Well, then you're not as high as those guys.
Speaker 4: That's partly it.
Speaker 3: Like I'm I'm intrigued by the tools, Bogs. But it's
Speaker 3: more the buzz you hear about where he's going to
Speaker 3: go in drafts, and how he has been steaming up
Speaker 3: boards and how maybe you know, like everyone seems to
Speaker 3: be reporting that the NFL likes him a lot more
Speaker 3: than draftnicks do, right, And.
Speaker 2: You know, it is the way that these guys are
Speaker 2: looked at. First Rounders, especially high first rounders, keep getting opportunities,
Speaker 2: whether they flame out or not. Look at Sam Darnold,
Speaker 2: it took him till this year to not get an
Speaker 2: opportunity to start, right, So those guys that are picked
Speaker 2: that high hold higher value, specifically in super FL leagues.
Speaker 1: A couple other guys.
Speaker 2: I have Michael Pratt in there with Spencer Rattler as
Speaker 2: kind of the Day two guys. I think third round
Speaker 2: I think is like where those guys fall to at most,
Speaker 2: and then you have I have Day three. I think
Speaker 2: Joe Milton, Jordan Travis, Devin Leary get drafted. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's before the sixth or seventh round those
Speaker 2: guys because they are projects. Is there any other quarterback
Speaker 2: that you would want to throw in there that you've
Speaker 2: watched and maybe liked more than others?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Sam Hartman gets drafted in six or
Speaker 3: seventh round if someone you know loves him in interviews
Speaker 3: or something like that. But we're talking about the group,
Speaker 3: even with Spencer Pratt, where it's just like or excuse me,
Speaker 3: Michael Pratt, where you're just sort of throwing a dart
Speaker 3: at a guy who you can maybe nurture as a
Speaker 3: backup for two or three years, and you know, sort
Speaker 3: of in the I don't know, maybe not even in
Speaker 3: the Hendon Hooker class of last year. But I'm always
Speaker 3: intrigued by Joe Melton, a guy who can put a
Speaker 3: ball into orbits and has that kind of arm talent,
Speaker 3: you know, a guy who would not be out of
Speaker 3: place as a ninth and encloser for an MLB team.
Speaker 2: This guy can a little too wild, Yeah, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you need eighty yards, he'll get you eighty yards.
Speaker 1: If you need fourteen yards, he'll get you eighty yards.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the ball is coming out at that
Speaker 2: same high velocity.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have a lot of time y as Thor
Speaker 3: has said, he is Nukla Louche from Boulder. Yeah, basically
Speaker 3: throws the gas so you don't know where it's going.
Speaker 2: Hit the mascot. I swear to God it's gonna work.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the running backs, I you know
Speaker 2: you just mentioned. I just want to remind you guys
Speaker 2: that thor nye From and Derek Brown recently did their
Speaker 2: preview of the NFL Combine, which dropped on Tuesday. They'll
Speaker 2: be back next week to recap the combine. So keep
Speaker 2: it locked right here on the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football
Speaker 2: podcast to listen to what they have to say when
Speaker 2: they get back from the combine, and listen before and
Speaker 2: hear what is correct. Let's go to the running backs here, Fitzie,
Speaker 2: this is tougher. Running backs and wide receivers are tougher.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to just give you here's how I
Speaker 2: see it. As of right now, I have possible first
Speaker 2: RB off the board. I have five guys in this group.
Speaker 2: I've got Jonathan Brooks from Texas, Trey Benson from Florida State,
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving from Oregon, Blake Corn from Michigan, and your boy,
Speaker 2: Braylan Allen from Wisconsin. I think these are the five
Speaker 2: running backs that could possibly be the first one off
Speaker 2: the board. You know, is that how you see it?
Speaker 2: Are your tiers more granular or is that kind of
Speaker 2: how you see it? Because the running back class is
Speaker 2: a little weak this year. I think if Brooks was healthy,
Speaker 2: I would have Brooks and then the next four guys,
Speaker 2: but he's not healthy towards ACL in November.
Speaker 1: So your thoughts on the first tier of RB's, I.
Speaker 3: Do think I kind of see the top tier the
Speaker 3: same way you do, Bogs and which is interesting considering
Speaker 3: how subjective things are with this Here's running back class.
Speaker 3: But that is my top five too, and I do
Speaker 3: think overwhelming likelihood is that it's one of those five
Speaker 3: guys who goes number one. But if you wanted to
Speaker 3: give me one hundred to one odds on Jalen Wright,
Speaker 3: I think I might put five bucks on that.
Speaker 2: And Jalen Wright has been impressing and moving up boards,
Speaker 2: and I have him in the next best tier. I
Speaker 2: have him with I have right with Audrick, Estimee, Ray Davis,
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lloyd, and Isaiah Davis. The reason I have these
Speaker 2: guys group together is because I think that these are
Speaker 2: the other guys in this class that can probably handle
Speaker 2: a bigger workload. I think everybody else is not that
Speaker 2: they can't but I think it would be more proving it,
Speaker 2: especially at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I think we have some nice guys in the next tier,
Speaker 2: the third tier to me, that are gonna be great
Speaker 2: pass catchers. But I think these five guys the next
Speaker 2: are the next best group that could possibly have a
Speaker 2: major workload. Do you take anyone out of that group
Speaker 2: or put anyone in in this second tier, FITZI.
Speaker 4: Let's see. I think that kind of the way I
Speaker 4: see it too. Yeah, I've got.
Speaker 3: Estimate sixth, Davis seventh, Marshawn Lloyd eighth, Jalen Wright ninth,
Speaker 3: and Will Shipley tenth.
Speaker 4: So who oh Isaiah Davis? So yeah, and he's the one.
Speaker 3: He and Cody Schrader are just sort of out of
Speaker 3: that tier for me for me, okay, and I have
Speaker 3: also so for me it's a foreman tier. I don't
Speaker 3: have Davis in that tier, and I've got him down
Speaker 3: with Schrader and Shipley.
Speaker 2: Okay. So and look, and that is fair right because
Speaker 2: fcs guys. The the only reason I put Isaiah Davis
Speaker 2: in this group is because I think the position is
Speaker 2: more translatable to the NFL than others. Right, Like I
Speaker 2: was high on Adam Troutman coming out after watching his
Speaker 2: film and going, oh my god, this guy can do
Speaker 2: everything well he can because the competition is way less,
Speaker 2: I think for running back because it's such a plug
Speaker 2: and play position.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Now, look, if he goes out there and he has
Speaker 2: terribly and he doesn't look athletic at all compared to
Speaker 2: his counterparts, yes he will be lowered, but I could
Speaker 2: see him being potentially higher too, if he goes out
Speaker 2: and tests well. I have past catching contributors as my
Speaker 2: next tier, and that is where I have Shipley Will
Speaker 2: Shipley from Clemson, Cody Trader from Missouri, Ylan Johnson from Washington,
Speaker 2: Dylan Lobb from New Hampshire. This is a little different
Speaker 2: than my last tier. My last year is like kind
Speaker 2: of shots because running backs, like even if you go
Speaker 2: through and you look at some free agent running backs
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley, Austin Eckler, and then I mean,
Speaker 2: if you just go further down the line, there are
Speaker 2: good guys on the wire at running back right now.
Speaker 2: So anything further than this these four the guys that
Speaker 2: I have further you know, it's you're competing with some
Speaker 2: of these other guys from last year a couple of
Speaker 2: years before that we thought were good running backs, but
Speaker 2: the position is so deep that they've either been their
Speaker 2: own practice squads. And there's the even some aging guys
Speaker 2: in there that are going to compete with the rest
Speaker 2: of these dudes. But that next four, would you add
Speaker 2: anyone into lob Dylan Johnson, will Shipley or Cody Schrader.
Speaker 3: Will you very shrewdly have that build as your pass
Speaker 3: catching group Bogs And the guy I'm gonna mention certainly
Speaker 3: doesn't really fit in that archetype. But Kimani Vidal of Troy,
Speaker 3: who I know videl Yeah, so I know Thor is
Speaker 3: really big on him. And Videll is probably going to
Speaker 3: run some terrible time in Indianapolis because he's just not
Speaker 3: that type of dude. But he might be the Kyron
Speaker 3: Williams of this class where he dramatically outperforms his forty
Speaker 3: time because speed really isn't his game. He is just
Speaker 3: a hard nosed yardage gainer and like he's not going
Speaker 3: to win any sprints to the end zone from his
Speaker 3: own thirty you know, can't take it to the house
Speaker 3: from anywhere on the field, not going to be that guy.
Speaker 3: He's not a jailing right, but really good runner. And
Speaker 3: I'm just that's a guy we should probably throw the
Speaker 3: testing numbers out the window for and just pay attention
Speaker 3: to where he's taken.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at PFF stats for miss tackles force, right
Speaker 2: uh Andmani Bailey from TCU had seventy so he had
Speaker 2: a lot sixty nine for Bucky Irving, sixty three from
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks, and these guys have just crazy high elusive ratings.
Speaker 2: Irving was one forty nine for Brooks. Kimani Videll had
Speaker 2: ninety four miss tackles forced ninety four. It's a lower level,
Speaker 2: of course, so you do have some, you know, guys
Speaker 2: that are gonna be used car salesman trying to make
Speaker 2: tackles and everything. I understand that, but ninety four that
Speaker 2: have so many more miss tackles force and it's you know,
Speaker 2: he's doing it in a box in the phone booth,
Speaker 2: as we would say, and he's doing it with some power.
Speaker 2: So a guy that I really like as well, I
Speaker 2: have him in the best of the rest. I do
Speaker 2: have Videll and Bailey up the top. Blake Watson getting
Speaker 2: a lot of Buzz as well from the Shrine game.
Speaker 2: Isaac Grendo from Louisville is a guy that I watched
Speaker 2: and like Gerard Jordan, I think could put up some
Speaker 2: impressive numbers. I know, Keilan Robinson, my guy from Texas,
Speaker 2: is at least a special teamer. Jason McClellan in that group,
Speaker 2: Frank Gort Junior is a power runner as well. Anybody
Speaker 2: else that you like from this group or anyone else
Speaker 2: that I left off that you would need to put
Speaker 2: in for running back tears.
Speaker 3: Grendo is really interesting as a size speed guy because
Speaker 3: he is a big dude and he can fly. I mean,
Speaker 3: he had transferred from Wisconsin, where I got to see
Speaker 3: a lot of them bogs and didn't really have any
Speaker 3: sort of foothold in the running back rotation there to
Speaker 3: the extent that there was any sort of rotation, because
Speaker 3: I think he came in while Jonathan Taylor was playing
Speaker 3: there and then was sitting behind Chas mlucy and Braylan
Speaker 3: Allen and had to transfer.
Speaker 4: But man, he can run really good kick returner.
Speaker 3: I think that's how he gets a foothold in the
Speaker 3: league and then maybe, just maybe he can be developed
Speaker 3: into someone who can pitch into an NFL running back rotation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and special teams are gonna get a lot of
Speaker 2: those guys drafted. At the end, when you're splitting hairs,
Speaker 2: you're looking at the difference between a couple of these guys.
Speaker 2: Like you said, special teams going to be what puts
Speaker 2: some of these guys on a roster.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask you about Tier one real quick,
Speaker 3: Jonathan Brooks. As you're so, you're a Texas guy, there
Speaker 3: might be a little bit of bias involved. We both
Speaker 3: got guys from our programs in our top five. You're
Speaker 3: not worried that Brooks's rookie year is basically going to
Speaker 3: be a red shirt year.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I am, And like I said, if Brooks didn't have
Speaker 2: the knee injury, I'd have been a tier by himself
Speaker 2: because I do think he's the best running back in
Speaker 2: this class.
Speaker 1: And I was.
Speaker 2: I gotta say I was a little underwhelmed watching the
Speaker 2: running backs here in this class. And I'm usually, I mean,
Speaker 2: I love running backs. I grew up watch Jerome Bettis.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Bam Morris, Big hulking runners
Speaker 2: and defense. That is what the Steelers were built on.
Speaker 2: That's what I love to watch, so I probably get
Speaker 2: a little overhyped. I think on most running backs coming out,
Speaker 2: especially guys that make some big explosive plays or look
Speaker 2: really really fast in the open field, make guys miss
Speaker 2: things like that. I probably myself, just because I love
Speaker 2: the position, get a little overhyped, and I found myself
Speaker 2: a little unimpressed. I thought Trey Benson ran a little upright.
Speaker 2: I thought your boy Braylen Allen was a little slow.
Speaker 2: I know he's still young and everything, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if we're getting that speed from him. But I mean,
Speaker 2: if he does, if he is fast enough, there's so
Speaker 2: much upside there. I think my favorite guy outside of
Speaker 2: Brooks is Bucky Irving. I do think he needs to
Speaker 2: go to a system that fits him. But he's so
Speaker 2: shifty in the open field. He's not gonna be a
Speaker 2: guy that gets, you know, twenty touches. But I do
Speaker 2: kind of see him in that Devon a Chan a
Speaker 2: Chan I always screw his name up. Now, that is
Speaker 2: not Devin a Chan but he's kind of built in
Speaker 2: that sand. He's a speedback, right, Uh, he's shifty. He's
Speaker 2: a little bit more than a speedback a lot like
Speaker 2: a chan. But I think that if like my vision
Speaker 2: of him is put him in Philly, right, put him
Speaker 2: in Philly, and uh, when you have Jalen Hurts to
Speaker 2: worry about, you have a j Brown and DeVante Smith
Speaker 2: and Dallas got you have all of these weapons to
Speaker 2: worry about. In Philly, you get a little extra room
Speaker 2: to run and he he hits the whole heart. Man.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about Bucky Irvy, so I think he's my one,
Speaker 2: but I do I think this is the right group
Speaker 2: of guys that could be the first off the board
Speaker 2: because I have I'd be no us no shock to
Speaker 2: me if Blake Korm is the first guy off the board.
Speaker 1: He did it.
Speaker 2: Braylen has so much potential, Trey Benson is so fast, right,
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not gonna be surprised if any of
Speaker 2: those guys are first off the board. I am going
Speaker 2: to be surprised with Jalen Wright's first off the board, right,
Speaker 2: I won't be shocked, but I'll be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: you took him over Brooks, you took him over Benson,
Speaker 2: you took him over Irbit, you took him over all
Speaker 2: these guys. I think have a little more upside than
Speaker 2: Jalen Wright, So I would be surprised there anything else
Speaker 2: in terms of the running backs or the tiers for
Speaker 2: the rbs here fits. Is there anyone we missed that
Speaker 2: you wanted to bring up?
Speaker 3: No one we missed bugs, But I do think that
Speaker 3: this is going to be a very draft sensitive group
Speaker 3: as far as rankings go. Like, absolutely, we have Jonathan
Speaker 3: Brooks number one, and if he goes to a great place,
Speaker 3: a place where he is poised to come in and
Speaker 3: at the end of twenty twenty four early twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five and just tear it up in a good offense
Speaker 3: with a coach we like, great. But man, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think Blake Korum goes from possible number one in
Speaker 3: dynasty rookie drafts to assure number one. If the Chargers
Speaker 3: let Austin Eckler walk and draft Blake Korm in the
Speaker 3: second round, like he's a slam dunk number one on
Speaker 3: everyone's board at that point, or if the Ravens draft
Speaker 3: Braylen Allen in the second round, or Trey Benson for
Speaker 3: that matter, Like I know you know your concerns about Benson,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure some of them would be assuaged if
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Benson lands in a great spot
Speaker 3: where he's the lead guy in a really prolific offense
Speaker 3: with a good running game.
Speaker 2: Put him in Philly, right, put him somewhere where he
Speaker 2: is going to be the number one great Put him
Speaker 2: with the New York Giants where now you're facing nine
Speaker 2: man boxes because the on line sucks and they have
Speaker 2: no passing game. Then yeah, there's way way different. So
Speaker 2: all running backs are you know, draft sensitive, but this
Speaker 2: year's specific. Yes, I agree with you, especially since the
Speaker 2: top tiers that group, like last year, wouldn't matter where
Speaker 2: John Robinson went. He was one off the board, didn't matter, right,
Speaker 2: same thing with Gibbs was two, didn't matter where he
Speaker 2: was going. Gibbs was two and he didn't end up
Speaker 2: in a good spot and he was still number two
Speaker 2: Gibbs was. So yeah, I'm absolutely with you. Before we
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Speaker 1: Let's go to the wide receivers. This one. Wo.
Speaker 2: There is so much talent in this class that it
Speaker 2: is hard. I feel like to tear out the white
Speaker 2: outs Fitsie. I'll just tell you how I have it.
Speaker 2: For the top three guys, I have the tippy Top,
Speaker 2: which is Malik and Marvin Harrison, and then I have
Speaker 2: the Roma Dunes tier, which is just Roma Dunsa. I
Speaker 2: understand if you want to put him in uh with
Speaker 2: Malik and Marvin Harrison, I don't, I think. I mean,
Speaker 2: every day I feel like I'm inching more towards putting
Speaker 2: Malik over Marvin Harrison. I don't think I can do it.
Speaker 2: I think they're both really really good, so to me,
Speaker 2: that's a coin flip, but it's not. I would put
Speaker 2: Rome firmly third behind those guys. So and I still
Speaker 2: think he's awesome. So he's so much better than anybody
Speaker 2: else that was in last year's class, So he's still
Speaker 2: very very high to me. But me, I've got Malik
Speaker 2: in Harrison in that first year. How are you separating
Speaker 2: the top three guys.
Speaker 3: There, Marvin Harrison by himself, Neighbors and Oduns together, And
Speaker 3: I think Neighbors is closer to Dunze than Harrison. And
Speaker 3: I know that's sort of now suddenly that makes me
Speaker 3: the hot takey one. But I do think that people
Speaker 3: who are talking about having Neighbors ahead of Marvin Harrison
Speaker 3: is kind of just a non conformist thing. Honestly, bugs Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could say that when you've
Speaker 3: got the guy who's bigger, who literally I don't know
Speaker 3: what the holes in Marvin Harrison's game would be. And
Speaker 3: Neighbors is a remarkable playmaker in his own right. No
Speaker 3: knocks on him whatsoever except he's played like his quarterbacking
Speaker 3: has been far superior, certainly last year, and with Brian
Speaker 3: Thomas playing along with him, so like, defenses can only
Speaker 3: give so much attention to Malik Neighbors. Whereas, then again,
Speaker 3: Harrison did have other great receivers of course, so that
Speaker 3: that's not an argument like exclusively to Neighbors. But I
Speaker 3: just seeing his believing with Marvin Harrison. Maybe it's my
Speaker 3: big ten bias, bogs, but I just think he is
Speaker 3: the best in the class, hands down.
Speaker 1: I think it.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're boiling wide receivers down to one
Speaker 2: stat I think yards per route run is my favorite,
Speaker 2: and Marvin Harrison is three point four to four. Malik
Speaker 2: Neighbors is three point six four. Troy Franklin's three three two,
Speaker 2: Javon Baker's three two one, Leaguette was three one five.
Speaker 2: Those are the only guys over three. Malik Washington over three,
Speaker 2: TODs Washington over three. I guess my one difference sliding
Speaker 2: between these two guys would be I think Harrison is
Speaker 2: going to make the bigger plays, the more downfield plays.
Speaker 2: I think Malie is gonna make the more impressive broken tackles,
Speaker 2: catch it, short, run with it plays. So but they're
Speaker 2: both getting you there the same way, which is why
Speaker 2: I have them in the same tier. And I have Rome,
Speaker 2: which I still think Rome is very good. I just
Speaker 2: think Malik Neighbors has a way to It's almost Antonio brownish,
Speaker 2: and obviously I watched a lot of Antonio Brown where
Speaker 2: he is not slowing down. There's like the stop start
Speaker 2: is maybe better than anyone I've ever seen. So I
Speaker 2: think that's the one thing that is pushing me towards
Speaker 2: Neighbors and Harrison. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it yet. So I have them, but
Speaker 1: they're next to each other.
Speaker 2: So if the Cardinals were gonna take Milik Neighbors instead
Speaker 2: of Marvin Harrison, I wouldn't say, what the hell are
Speaker 2: you doing? You gotta take Marvin. I think Fitzwood. But
Speaker 2: I would be like, Okay, they got another really good one.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna get Marvin now. Now, Marvin is the deal.
Speaker 2: I think whoever gets taken second is the deal between
Speaker 2: those two. So but I asked you at the top
Speaker 2: three because I think that's the clear. You know, that's
Speaker 2: the clear tippy top. There's no one else that's challenging
Speaker 2: those three, right, correct?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 3: Okay, big drop off, I think after o'doonsay.
Speaker 1: And I think so too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it totally fair points on Malik Neighbors and
Speaker 3: our guy Matt Waldman has talked to us before about
Speaker 3: how maybe one of the most important traits, not only
Speaker 3: at the running back position, but a wide receiver too,
Speaker 3: is the ability to change direction without slowing down. And
Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors is a special dude in that facet of
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: And you could see it last year. It didn't translate
Speaker 2: to the field, but you could see it. Like watching
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley through his breaks and everything versus Christian Kirk
Speaker 2: and everybody else in Jacksonville. He could just tell athletically
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley was the best. Doesn't mean he's going to
Speaker 2: be the best on the field. No, he was good
Speaker 2: last year. He wasn't everything people thought he was going
Speaker 2: to be though, So anyway, I have the next tier
Speaker 2: as borderline first rounders. Uh, and this is I can
Speaker 2: see any of these guys going in the first round.
Speaker 2: I have Brian Thomas from LSU, Kean Coleman from Florida State,
Speaker 2: ad Ni Mitchell from Texas Iavy You're Worthy from Texas
Speaker 2: and Troy Franklin from Oregon.
Speaker 1: I have not.
Speaker 2: Settled on in order for these guys yet because I
Speaker 2: feel like I like the guy who I watched last
Speaker 2: between all four of them the most right, which we'll
Speaker 2: get separators in the combine plus with some buzz. But
Speaker 2: this is my next group? Is this your next group?
Speaker 2: Is anyone out of this? Do we put anybody else
Speaker 2: in it? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: My exact group? But I would add Ladd McConkie to
Speaker 4: this group.
Speaker 1: Okay, Lad is going in there?
Speaker 3: Ye, But yeah, Coleman, Kean Coleman, Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin,
Speaker 3: Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkie, and Ni Mitchell. So yeah, we're
Speaker 3: pretty much in lock step here, Bogs, with the exception
Speaker 3: of mconkie. But yes, testing for these guys and where
Speaker 3: they go in drafts, it's gonna be really interesting. But
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone from this group falls past round three,
Speaker 3: there's no chance and this is a some of these
Speaker 3: guys are gonna be round one. It's possible none of
Speaker 3: these guys go after the second round, let alone, like
Speaker 3: in some ways I'd be I think I would be
Speaker 3: surprised if any of these dudes slipped into the third round.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think I would be. But this depends
Speaker 2: on how the board breaks. Plus so much is going
Speaker 2: to depend on the wide receiver class from not only
Speaker 2: the combine but also the signings right, and is it
Speaker 2: are we going to get a game of wide receiver
Speaker 2: chicken from general managers in the first and second round
Speaker 2: of We're not taking wide receivers because I know I
Speaker 2: can get a good wide receiver later because there's so
Speaker 2: many of them. So I'm gonna take my offensive linemen
Speaker 2: that are upper tier, my edge guys that are upper
Speaker 2: tier corners, you know, things that positions that are less depthy,
Speaker 2: not only in this draft but also in the league.
Speaker 2: So I think it's going to be interesting once we
Speaker 2: get there as to where these guys are going to
Speaker 2: end up going, because are we going to get that?
Speaker 2: You know, because even doing mock drafts and watching mock
Speaker 2: drafts I keep hearing. I saw Rix Bielman do one
Speaker 2: the other day for CBS, and he was saying, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to take the wide receiver here because I
Speaker 2: know I can get a good one in the second round.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take an olignment for whatever team.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a D lineman for whatever team
Speaker 2: because I know I can address this position later. Our
Speaker 2: actual GM is going to have that same thought process.
Speaker 2: That is going to be very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, leveraging the depth of the position. I could see
Speaker 3: that happening. But man, at the same time, like it's.
Speaker 1: You got to get the best players, and these guys
Speaker 1: are good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and if you you know, if you've
Speaker 3: got all your picks and you don't want to have
Speaker 3: to move up, you got to wait thirty two picks,
Speaker 3: tell your next guy, unless you start to panic and
Speaker 3: there's a wide receiver run and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you have to move up to get one of the
Speaker 3: guys you want before there's a drop off on your
Speaker 3: big board, on your team board. So yeah, we'll be
Speaker 3: interesting to see who how this is played. And there's
Speaker 3: some guys behind the second tier who I'm sure some
Speaker 3: NFL teams would maybe include with that second tier group
Speaker 3: or third tier group before splitting up the top three
Speaker 3: in the two tiers.
Speaker 1: Right, and you know that that tier will just go
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: But real quick, in this tier of you know, you're
Speaker 2: throwing McConkie in here with Brian Thomas, Keyonkleman and ad
Speaker 2: Na mitchell' zavi are worthy, Troy Franklin. If you're throwing
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison coming out of USC in that group, is
Speaker 2: he more of a close to Roma Duneesa guy or
Speaker 2: is he in this group and is he at the
Speaker 2: top of it or is he kind of mixed in
Speaker 2: to this group?
Speaker 4: I'd put him up like with o'doonsay. I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Addison is pretty and maybe I didn't think
Speaker 3: that last year and should have been on him more,
Speaker 3: But now that I've seen it, seen him in the NFL,
Speaker 3: and probably seeing that he got Kenny Pickett drafted in
Speaker 3: the first round, I should have thought that way all
Speaker 3: along with him.
Speaker 2: That's not just Jordan Addison, that's also bad drafting from Pittsburgh, true, So.
Speaker 1: I'm not letting him off the hook.
Speaker 2: I have the next tier as the big tier, and
Speaker 2: I like all these guys so much. I've got Roman
Speaker 2: Wilson in here from Michigan, obviously at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: jumped up a lot.
Speaker 1: I have Lad mcconaukie in here.
Speaker 2: We'll put him in the above tier and not mention
Speaker 2: him here because we've already talked about him. But I
Speaker 2: also have Ricky Piersoll from Florida, Javon Baker from UCF,
Speaker 2: Jlen Polk from Washington, Malachai Corley from Western Kentucky, Brennan
Speaker 2: Rice from USC, Davontes Walker from North Carolina, and Xavier
Speaker 2: Laguette from South Carolina. I still put in here, even
Speaker 2: though they are lowering themselves in the process. I still
Speaker 2: think the tape says a lot. I mean, maybe Walker
Speaker 2: has fallen beyond this tier because of the drop issues right,
Speaker 2: and Laguet came in a little bit more undersized than
Speaker 2: we expected him to at the Senior Bowl, but his
Speaker 2: production was still really good. I think Walker is still
Speaker 2: very talented, So I would accept if you have those
Speaker 2: guys a little bit lower. I know I'm higher on
Speaker 2: Brendan Rice and most people as well. The rest I
Speaker 2: think are definitely in this tier. So is this third
Speaker 2: tier fourth tier, however you want to break it up.
Speaker 2: Is it as big as this to you or are
Speaker 2: you a little more granular in your tiering of these
Speaker 2: wide receivers.
Speaker 3: No, and again it's as with the last group. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty much in lockstep with you, except I would have
Speaker 3: added one more guy. I would add Jalen McMillan from Washington. Okay,
Speaker 3: Like I think, to me, I don't think there's a
Speaker 3: huge gap between Polk and McMillan. And wasn't McMillan sort
Speaker 3: of ahead of Polk in the pecking order before McMillan
Speaker 3: got hurt in Washington.
Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of yeah, it kind of has
Speaker 2: gone back and forth. I think I like Polk with
Speaker 2: the size a little bit more than McMillan, But it's
Speaker 2: not like McMillan is right right, So you know, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I would accept so many other guys in
Speaker 2: this group, and we're gonna get We're gonna get that
Speaker 2: separation at the combine once again, through either testing or buzz.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it.
Speaker 2: So a lot of these questions are going to be answered,
Speaker 2: maybe by this time next week. I feel like, but yeah,
Speaker 2: this is such a good group. I mean Wilson and
Speaker 2: McConkey and Pearsall, and I mean Javon Baker. Cody took
Speaker 2: Baker maybe a little bit higher than I expected him
Speaker 2: to go, but he had maybe more buzz than anybody
Speaker 2: during the Senior Bowl practices.
Speaker 1: So he was good as well.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with me that Leaguette and Walker, while
Speaker 2: they have taken a hit, they can't be out of
Speaker 2: this tier because I can't. I can't push him out
Speaker 2: quite yet.
Speaker 3: Physical traits with both guys, you know, and what I
Speaker 3: don't know what kind of time Walker is going to run.
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the guys who could probably
Speaker 3: help or hurt himself most with his forty because I
Speaker 3: know at top speed he can get up to like
Speaker 3: twenty three miles an hour that he's been clocked at
Speaker 3: that And yeah, like didn't have a great week at
Speaker 3: the Senior Ball. But I think he's also a little
Speaker 3: on the younger side, so a guy who could definitely
Speaker 3: be coached up. And maybe he's not one of these
Speaker 3: guys you expect to hit right away because of the profile,
Speaker 3: because he's a little raw because he's a vertical receiver.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I still think tes Walker is pretty
Speaker 3: exciting all and on, Laguette is kind of the interesting
Speaker 3: guy because he was He's not younger, he's an older prospect.
Speaker 3: It didn't really hit until his fifth year in college
Speaker 3: as a fifth year senior. But man, like what a
Speaker 3: specimen this guy is. And if it was just a
Speaker 3: matter of some guys are late bloomer and the light
Speaker 3: just went on for him in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: So agree, we shouldn't rule him out.
Speaker 3: But Bog's unlike our second or that big group we
Speaker 3: had that starts with like Brian Thomas and Kean Coleman,
Speaker 3: Xavier Worthy, Troy Franklin, those guys. The draft range for
Speaker 3: those guys is probably back half of the first round
Speaker 3: to very tip top of the third round. For this group,
Speaker 3: I think it's anywhere from. Like, you know, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: shock me if Roman Wilson was like a second round pick.
Speaker 3: But it wouldn't shock me if some of these guys
Speaker 3: didn't hear their names called till the fifth Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of what Brennan Rice is
Speaker 2: at right, because I like him.
Speaker 1: I like the physicality.
Speaker 2: I heard Steve Smith made his pro comparison to put
Speaker 2: Checko to him because of the way he runs like
Speaker 2: he's angry at the ground. He's got those big high
Speaker 2: knee steps and all that's up for me. It's a physicality,
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know if this guy's going to
Speaker 2: test very well. I don't know if he's gonna have
Speaker 2: eye popping numbers or move himself up in the process
Speaker 2: at the combine. In fact, I don't really expect him to.
Speaker 2: But what I've seen on film is a huge catch radius,
Speaker 2: great at contested catches, and just physical.
Speaker 1: And I like those guys.
Speaker 2: I like those guys that are going to get in
Speaker 2: and get scrappy and not have to you know, you
Speaker 2: don't have to beg George Pickens to block at the line.
Speaker 2: He's just gonna do it. That's Brendan Rice. I love
Speaker 2: the motor. I love the effort from that guy for sure.
Speaker 2: Is there is there anyone who's the closest to moving
Speaker 2: themselves in up to the next tier?
Speaker 1: Is it Roman Is?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you had lad already in there, so
Speaker 2: we'll just take him out.
Speaker 1: But is it Roman? Is it peersal?
Speaker 2: Is the who's the most likely to push themselves after
Speaker 2: the combine into that next tier?
Speaker 3: I think it's probably Roman Wilson if he can pare
Speaker 3: a really good senior ball with a you know, good
Speaker 3: combine performance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's probably Roman
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: The last year I have I have the surprisingly still
Speaker 2: good tier, and I probably there's more wide receivers than
Speaker 2: I have listed here that can go in here. Obviously
Speaker 2: you talked about Jaylen McMillan. You have him up in
Speaker 2: the next year. Johnny Wilson with that size six ' six, right.
Speaker 2: Jamary Thrash had a great year at Louisville. Uh Malik
Speaker 2: Washington moved himself up at the Shrine game. Jermaine Burton
Speaker 2: has unteachable speed. We know Debro was high on Luke
Speaker 2: McCaffrey coming after the Senior Bowl. Jaqwan Jackson from Tulane
Speaker 2: I think is going to be a great slot wide
Speaker 2: receiver TOAJH Washington. Another guy that is very, very shifty
Speaker 2: out of usc Cornelius Johnson didn't get a lot of
Speaker 2: opportunities in he's six ' three coming out of Michigan.
Speaker 2: A guy with size that was underutilized. Uh Marcus Rosemary
Speaker 2: Rosemary jack Saint from Georgia. I always screw his name
Speaker 2: up I trip over it every time. But he's another
Speaker 2: guy underutilized so many weapons at Georgia, didn't get everything
Speaker 2: he could have. There could be a better pro than
Speaker 2: a collegiate player. Nia Smith from A and M as
Speaker 2: a track guy. Isaiah Williams from Illinois had a lot
Speaker 2: of good production as well. So am I missing anybody
Speaker 2: from this tier? I'm sure I'm missing somebody because there's
Speaker 2: so many other good ones.
Speaker 1: I didn't mention. But who who do you like out
Speaker 1: of this last group?
Speaker 4: Did you? Did you mention Jermaine Burton Bogs?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 4: Okay? All right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, how can you not be intrigued
Speaker 3: by Johnny Wilson with his his size? The Marquise Colston
Speaker 3: of this class, who we're not even sure is going
Speaker 3: to be classified as a wide receiver depending on where
Speaker 3: he goes. You know, I could see someone wanting to
Speaker 3: use him as a big Darren Waller type tight end.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it's a fun group.
Speaker 3: Luke McCaffrey could could maybe make a case for him
Speaker 3: being a tier above, maybe a case for Burton. I
Speaker 3: kind of like you mentioned all the names I've got
Speaker 3: in this tier. Isaiah Williams is kind of interesting just
Speaker 3: because he never played on some pretty run heavy teams
Speaker 3: with not great quarterbacking, but he was always like struck
Speaker 3: me as a big ten guy as being a really
Speaker 3: tough cover for people he was going up against.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it will be interesting.
Speaker 3: Probably this is the wildcard group, Like, you have no
Speaker 3: idea where these guys are gonna go in the draft.
Speaker 2: Fourth round to undrafted is probably the range for these guys.
Speaker 2: Is once again gonna be a lot of separation at
Speaker 2: the combine and probably pro Dace too because the class
Speaker 2: is so deep. But yeah, there's so much talent in
Speaker 2: this class, it's kind of unbelievable, which is what we've
Speaker 2: been talking about for a while at the quarterback and
Speaker 2: at the wide receiver position before we go to tight ends.
Speaker 2: Is there anyone else we need to mention? A wide
Speaker 2: receiver here fits you?
Speaker 4: I think we have everyone.
Speaker 3: Maybe after the combine, but as for now, I don't
Speaker 3: think we missed anyone.
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Speaker 2: Of course, that takes us to the last position for
Speaker 2: skill for fantasy here tight ends for me fits. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear it's the brock Bowers here,
Speaker 2: it's the Gitavian Sanders here, and then it's the rest here.
Speaker 1: Not overly complicated.
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers is a you know, we'll throw it up
Speaker 2: in air quotes because it doesn't always hit the generational
Speaker 2: type of talent, unbelievable production. I mean, we've all wanted
Speaker 2: to draft brock Bowers in our rookie drafts since he
Speaker 2: was a freshman at Georgia.
Speaker 1: We had to wait the three years. The weight is over.
Speaker 2: I feel like there hasn't been so much like negative
Speaker 2: talk about brock Powers. That was that one pick sure
Speaker 2: of him standing next to Gronk where he looked like
Speaker 2: a skinny teenager. But come on, that's Gronk. You know,
Speaker 2: Gronk is enormous. But I mean just the production was
Speaker 2: unbelievable and no one else is really close to him.
Speaker 2: I love Jatavian Sanders. I don't think in terms of,
Speaker 2: you know, coming out of college. Maybe at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, they'll be closer in their pro careers,
Speaker 2: but it's not close right now. It's Brock Bowers with
Speaker 2: a bullet. As her boy Thor would say, Sanders is
Speaker 2: number two with a bullet. I don't think there's anybody
Speaker 2: close to him in terms of playing this position coming
Speaker 2: into the league this year that is even close. And
Speaker 2: then there are guys down there that we like traits,
Speaker 2: but they're all kind of projects in terms of fantasy.
Speaker 2: So it's really one of two options at tight end
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: It seems like, yeah, there's a broad consensus on those
Speaker 3: two being the top two, and there's no chance anyone
Speaker 3: jumps Jatavian ahead of Bowers. I don't think there's much
Speaker 3: chance anyone jumps Tavian, like, I don't know, maybe if
Speaker 3: someone really lit it up with.
Speaker 4: The testing like Jaheim Bell or yeah, like I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, And because Avian Bell would have to come in
Speaker 2: and higher than six to one if he is gonna
Speaker 2: good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the issue with him that he does not
Speaker 3: have anything close to tight end size, and it's really
Speaker 3: more of an h back type, jack of all trades guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and that that will be how these third
Speaker 3: tier tight ends uh fall in the NFL Draft and
Speaker 3: in Dynasty rookie grat drafts Uh, Jaheim Bell, cade Stover,
Speaker 3: A J. Barnard, Dalen, Hulk, Hulker, Theo, Johnson, Uh bensonat
Speaker 3: am I forgetting anyone there?
Speaker 2: No, No, you're really not. I mean I like Hulker.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be my three. Uh, the kid
Speaker 2: from Colorado State. Theo is up there though, so we'll
Speaker 2: see Ben's not put put those Kansas Day guys with
Speaker 2: Dan camp right, Put Cooper bb in Detroit, put Benson
Speaker 2: in Detroit, like those are the type of guys that
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell likes, it feels like. But all right, so
Speaker 2: let's do this since there's not a lot to talk
Speaker 2: about it at the tight ends, brock Bowers versus wide receivers, right,
Speaker 2: because the tight end position is fairly deep right now,
Speaker 2: I don't know that it is deep, but it's the same, right,
Speaker 2: It's you have the tippy top and then you have
Speaker 2: a kind of a glob of guys. So knowing that
Speaker 2: brock Bowers versus the rookie wide receivers, because you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say versus quarterbacks and right backs too,
Speaker 2: because you know super flex the quarterback value is different.
Speaker 2: But we're putting Bowers against the wide receivers. Who do
Speaker 2: you take at wide receiver over Brock Bowers? For sure,
Speaker 2: regardless of landing spot.
Speaker 3: As of now in my overall I've only got Harrison
Speaker 3: and Neighbors ahead of him. But I consider it basically
Speaker 3: a coin flip between Bowers and odoon say, Okay, what
Speaker 3: about you?
Speaker 2: I think I have him behind those four wideouts and
Speaker 2: then it's are those three white outs?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? And then he's fourth.
Speaker 2: So but I'll say, maybe landing spot would change me
Speaker 2: for more for Bowers than for o Doonsay and Molik
Speaker 2: Neighbors right or Marvin Harry. I mean, I'm not taking
Speaker 2: him ahead of Neighbors and Harrison for sure. I think
Speaker 2: go Dunsay is the question. So maybe like if Bowers
Speaker 2: ended up in New England right where they have nobody
Speaker 2: else and it's just Brock Bowers, maybe I take him
Speaker 2: ahead of Roma Dunsay.
Speaker 1: If he ended up in Cincinnati somehow, ye whatever, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that is.
Speaker 2: That's the one spot where he would have to be
Speaker 2: pretty specific for me to do it. But that's probably it.
Speaker 2: And Brock Powers is awesome, but still fourth. The wide
Speaker 2: receivers just so good. Even if he best third at best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if I would say he went to a
Speaker 3: very suboptimal place like New England, for instance, I still
Speaker 3: think i'd have Bowers ahead of Troy Franklin, Brian Thomas,
Speaker 3: Kean Coleman, all those wide receivers and tier three who
Speaker 3: we love.
Speaker 1: I want him to go to New England.
Speaker 2: I think New England's a good spot if they get
Speaker 2: a quarterback right in the first round, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: how would they get Brock Powers. But you know, if
Speaker 2: he were to go to New England, I think that'd
Speaker 2: be a good spot because they have nobody else. He'd
Speaker 2: get peppered with targets, you know, maybe fifteen targets a
Speaker 2: game or some absurd number. You know, realistically probably seven
Speaker 2: or eight, but just more potentially than no dunsay.
Speaker 1: If he ended up in a spot, you know, if
Speaker 1: he's in.
Speaker 2: Atlanta, let's put on Dunday in Atlanta right next to well,
Speaker 2: now he's third, right fourth in the pecking order because
Speaker 2: you have Bijon, then you have Drake, then you have
Speaker 2: Pits and then you would have a Dunsay. Oh, Dunsay
Speaker 2: could easily work himself. I feel like to being better
Speaker 2: than Drake London because he is that type of talent,
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't be instant. I think it might take
Speaker 2: a little bit. So anyway, we've talked a lot about
Speaker 2: our tears. This is how we have them. Is there anything?
Speaker 2: What was the most egregious of my tiers that you
Speaker 2: hated here, FITZI was it the fact that I have
Speaker 2: Odoonza behind Neighbors and Harrison, Or was it that I didn't.
Speaker 1: Have lad in with those other whiteouts?
Speaker 4: Probably? I mean, really nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised how in sync we are, Bogs. It might
Speaker 3: be a boring run up to the draft. We're not
Speaker 3: going to argue as much as we'd hoped.
Speaker 1: We'll find something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, No, I mean I think I'm probably the
Speaker 3: outlier in having a dun Say close to Neighbors and
Speaker 3: maybe just Mconkie. I think lad okay and to be honest,
Speaker 3: pre senior ball I wouldn't have had him in that
Speaker 3: tier either. But after the Senior ball I think you
Speaker 3: have to put him there, and like what he put
Speaker 3: on film in those.
Speaker 1: Practices, he's just as open. That's the thing with Ladd
Speaker 1: as he's always open.
Speaker 4: Such a smooth over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I build a little bit into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you had so much talent at Georgia, you know,
Speaker 2: people trying to cover Rock Powers too. Not for all
Speaker 2: of this year though, Rock Bowers mister big old chunk,
Speaker 2: So you know Lad was doing it by himself a
Speaker 2: little bit too.
Speaker 1: So maybe I do need to put him in that tier.
Speaker 1: But I like all those guys.
Speaker 2: I like him in Roman and Piersoll and I still,
Speaker 2: like I said, I still think Laguette and Walker, even
Speaker 2: though they're moving down boards a little bit right now,
Speaker 2: I think they could easily build themselves back up with
Speaker 2: good showings at the Combine.
Speaker 1: But that is it for us for this week.
Speaker 2: We will be back next week normal time, I think
Speaker 2: next week. So the traveling man here is going to
Speaker 2: be back from all of his pit stots of Vegas
Speaker 2: and Nashville and everything, so he should be back on
Speaker 2: track and the next week.
Speaker 1: But that is going to wrap it up for us.
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