Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.
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Speaker 1: These are some of our favorite segments from this week,
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Speaker 1: So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles,
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Speaker 1: today because we are joined in our third and fourth
Speaker 1: seats by two of the hosts of the podcast George Center.
Speaker 1: It's the them Jorge Center Boys. But first we've got
Speaker 1: America Stepdad, Christy Amagucci man aka will Pool, and we
Speaker 1: got Josh Robbins that they are them Jeorge Center Boys.
Speaker 1: Welcome fellas to.
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Speaker 3: But let you an upper willow Josh.
Speaker 4: Josh to take this opening Workkay, thanks for having us
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Speaker 1: Then I heard the voices from my phone.
Speaker 5: It was Jack and Miles. Great, Hello the Internet, we
Speaker 5: got bad news for you, United States.
Speaker 1: The United States sent a shy please who.
Speaker 2: Forced too late and.
Speaker 1: We die We're hair to born you.
Speaker 2: It's election year.
Speaker 1: It's election. You should hate it here.
Speaker 4: So smartest tip on it's will I'm just I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Through the entire I was like, when it starts coming
Speaker 1: into play, wow hours, Hello the Internet, We've got bad news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. Might as well be the subtitle of the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not to not to outshine, uh, the the
Speaker 4: other guests that I'm on here with. But I know
Speaker 4: he just had PTSD from high school of me breaking
Speaker 4: up the guitar.
Speaker 6: Once again, plans on somebody he will outshine me.
Speaker 1: Whatever, Josh, let me take this real quick, Josh, this
Speaker 1: is all you three.
Speaker 6: Okay, let's see all right, A K Josh Robbins and
Speaker 6: we got every.
Speaker 1: Kiss begins okay, jewelries on the way.
Speaker 7: My wa please down lay may Now about a lay may,
Speaker 7: I'll get your chick fl if you promise, Mester.
Speaker 6: Promise rings not fank gold, one phone fries, not a
Speaker 6: dang owl.
Speaker 8: That's what I got.
Speaker 6: That's from the before and went to see fantastic.
Speaker 1: Wow. I love Yeah, beautiful work there's in there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm actually impressed. I don't I didn't need a guitar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just went a straight voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not a prop guy, so
Speaker 1: you know, but I know I respect like, you know,
Speaker 1: meetings like Carrot Top and stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, for sure, man Gallagher, I think you
Speaker 3: know really.
Speaker 4: Also, apologies to whoever has to edit this episode and
Speaker 4: level all of that bullshit that I just did, because
Speaker 4: I have no idea the wave file like the it
Speaker 4: looked okay, but I have no fucking idea whether any
Speaker 4: of that's going to be usable.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: One one eye on the on the lyrics and one
Speaker 6: eye on the wave files.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what's very considered.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I thought you're just confused anyway, how are what so?
Speaker 3: What are you both coming to us from North cac.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, I'm down at the beach, Josh's former
Speaker 4: hometown of Wilmington, Okay, as always, And then Josh, I.
Speaker 6: Live in Charlotte, North Carolina. I've lived here for probably
Speaker 6: so long. I'll just say I'm from here, but you know,
Speaker 6: my heart.
Speaker 1: Is in Wilmington. But Monkey Junction, Monkey Junction.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's where we grew up, near Totem and Zoo,
Speaker 6: which probably called something else that's not as inappropriate now. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but yeah, I don't know, I moved away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, here we are. It's good to have you both.
Speaker 3: You know, we've had you know, Will over here, Christy
Speaker 3: Yamagucci Gucci Maine many times and obviously been a lifelong
Speaker 3: contributor to the show. So it's dope to have you yeah,
Speaker 3: both on and you're both podcasting. It's just dope to
Speaker 3: kind of see how you know just and then like
Speaker 3: you guys have been best friends since we said sixth grade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sixth grade. Josh was one of my groom's men
Speaker 4: in my wedding and I was in his wedding as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we've been so like the first time I
Speaker 4: remember Josh was like I knew Josh since sixth grade,
Speaker 4: but the first time, you know, you have those moments
Speaker 4: where you're like brain comes online. Yeah, and you're like
Speaker 4: that that's your first like truly true memory of something
Speaker 4: or someone is when Josh got in a fight in
Speaker 4: the cafeteria and one of the counselors like Superman, tackled
Speaker 4: him and the other kid like mister mister Taylor was
Speaker 4: his name.
Speaker 9: He was.
Speaker 4: He was like a good like six three six four,
Speaker 4: and he just comes out of like my periphery and
Speaker 4: tackles both of them. I think it was over like
Speaker 4: throwing French fries at each other and uh you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: French cafeteria And I was like, holy ship, that dude
Speaker 4: is awesome. He just got tackled by mister Taylo.
Speaker 6: So yeah, which is funny because it's funny that it
Speaker 6: took that long for Will to remember me because we
Speaker 6: sat at the same table for like.
Speaker 8: The whole year.
Speaker 1: Is that what you were doing, You were like getting
Speaker 1: into a fight to get him to notice you.
Speaker 9: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a long time to get from the
Speaker 1: corner singing softly with an acoustic guitar to like just
Speaker 1: a cloud of girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just yeah, we'll go with that.
Speaker 4: We'll totally say that that's my middle school and high school. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, geometry teacher who's like, yeah, let me go get
Speaker 3: my guitar man, or the institute, well remember the youth
Speaker 3: pastor comes right. Actually, I got a song about a
Speaker 3: guy named j C.
Speaker 1: Who is pretty all right.
Speaker 6: We had a substitute. His name was mister Beveridge, and
Speaker 6: every time you started a class, he will go, all right,
Speaker 6: my initial spell tab it's mister Beverage. Get the jokes out,
Speaker 6: and like we were like okay.
Speaker 10: Okay, all right, and then he's like, now let's crack
Speaker 10: this one open and get into he juggled.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think everyone knows everyone knows a juggling unicyclist teacher
Speaker 3: at some point in their life.
Speaker 4: I think so, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it will author of many of the best
Speaker 1: aks of all time, the voice of an Angel, as
Speaker 1: you heard, I mean, as you may have just heard.
Speaker 1: There is a chance that he actually was so close
Speaker 1: to the real song that it will get a takedown
Speaker 1: notice for the first time from an AK.
Speaker 4: But that'd be amazing. And apparently the Eagles are very litigious.
Speaker 4: I just found out that they're in a lawsuit right
Speaker 4: now over some handwritten notes to Hotel California. I just
Speaker 4: learned about that yesterday.
Speaker 1: They got some they got some skeletons, they got some
Speaker 1: things to be over. Let's just yeah, I can imagine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might, you might not want to look into their history.
Speaker 1: And then Josh is in a band called Late Bloomer.
Speaker 1: Let's dropping an album on Friday. The musicality of this
Speaker 1: episode is out of every pore that right, What is
Speaker 1: something from your search history that is revealing about who
Speaker 1: you guys are?
Speaker 8: I have an exciting one. I can start, Hey, this
Speaker 8: is Alex.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So I'm building a chicken coop because my second job,
Speaker 8: or rather than were one of my third jobs, is
Speaker 8: kind of being a little suburban farmer. And so I'm
Speaker 8: getting some chicks delivered from a hatchery and they said,
Speaker 8: you need to put this directly into the brooder. And
Speaker 8: I'm like, what's a brooder? And I had looked up
Speaker 8: what a brooder is and then came up and found
Speaker 8: that it can be anything from a rubber made tub
Speaker 8: where you put the chickens well they're very small, until
Speaker 8: like a repurposed rabbit hut. So then I started thinking
Speaker 8: all morning about how to build a chicken brewder.
Speaker 1: And wait, just so it's just like a like it's
Speaker 1: like a pen, like a mini pen for.
Speaker 8: The chien to just kind of yeah, it's like a
Speaker 8: little pen for the chicks, and you put in a
Speaker 8: heat lamp, you know, because they need to be warm. Small,
Speaker 8: and they don't. They have only got that chicken fuzz.
Speaker 8: They don't have the chicken feathers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they need to me this sounds like
Speaker 1: a job for a shoe box. But that's probably too small,
Speaker 1: too small, small, Unfortunately, that's what they're getting. If I'm
Speaker 1: building a chicken, you can if you're in if you're
Speaker 1: in a if you're in a rush, you can use
Speaker 1: your bathtub if you have one of those, and put
Speaker 1: the some puppy pads.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I learned a lot about this today as I was
Speaker 8: just waiting for another meeting to start and just read
Speaker 8: everything I could.
Speaker 1: Nice And of course that chicken coop is gonna come
Speaker 1: in handy free eggs during the robot apocalypse, right, which
Speaker 1: Sam Altman has told me is coming. So I have
Speaker 1: to assume that's also what you're thinking, right, right, She's
Speaker 1: she's prepping for the eventual DEMID.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think during.
Speaker 8: COVID, I think there was a run on chicken eggs.
Speaker 8: And then so I'd go to Costco and you couldn't
Speaker 8: get the gross of chicken eggs. And then I'd go, hey,
Speaker 8: and I went to my backyard.
Speaker 1: Market.
Speaker 3: Got it for eight bucks an egg if you want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are still really expensive, Emily, how about you?
Speaker 1: What's something from your search history?
Speaker 11: So I took a look, and it's a bunch of
Speaker 11: boring stuff like I can't remember it can't be bothered
Speaker 11: to remember the website of a certain journal that I
Speaker 11: was interested in. So I'm like searching the name of
Speaker 11: the journal. But then like down below that, and we've
Speaker 11: been watching for All Mankind, which is this like alternate
Speaker 11: timeline thing that that's a what happens if the Soviets.
Speaker 1: Landed on the moon first?
Speaker 11: Right, right, So it diverges in the nineteen sixties, but
Speaker 11: it keeps referencing actual history. So my search history is
Speaker 11: full of like, okay, so when did the Vietnam War
Speaker 11: actually end?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 11: And like you know which Apollo mission did what. So
Speaker 11: it's a bunch of queries like that sort of comparing
Speaker 11: what's in the show to actual history.
Speaker 3: How does that line up? Based on your sort of
Speaker 3: cursory research as you watch the show so interestingly.
Speaker 11: So there's there's a point where Ted Kennedy is like
Speaker 11: in the background being talked about not going to chap Equittic. Oh,
Speaker 11: and then an episode later he's president.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 11: So there's and I suspect there's way more of that
Speaker 11: kind of stuff that I'm not catching right, right, right, a.
Speaker 3: Subtle things right right.
Speaker 1: The media is like, and Ted Kennedy missed a barbecue
Speaker 1: this weekend in chap Equittic. That's that's super interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is ye know, third or fourth person who's mentioned
Speaker 1: for all mankind to us. I think this is pushing
Speaker 1: it over the threshold to where I have to have
Speaker 1: to watch this damn thing.
Speaker 11: It's enjoyable, but it's tense. I don't know anything worth
Speaker 11: Like people in outer space really creeps me out because
Speaker 11: like that that degree of like loneliness and sort of
Speaker 11: lack of failsafes, you know, like when you when all
Speaker 11: the fail SATs are are the ones that you built
Speaker 11: and beyond that you know your s o L.
Speaker 1: That's that's creepy, seems uncomfortable outer space. Yeah, Caitlin, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 12: I might have said this before, and I am running
Speaker 12: out of thoughts and opinions also because my brain along.
Speaker 6: With the rest of.
Speaker 1: Have you done the massage gone on your brain?
Speaker 3: On your temple, just like.
Speaker 12: Like chatter all my teeth and just break them, bite
Speaker 12: my tongue off. You know, something I think is overrated
Speaker 12: is soup, just in general soup.
Speaker 3: Someone who's I feel like two weeks ago someone came
Speaker 3: in hot soup was overrated? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we're
Speaker 3: talking this is pretty Is it filling or not?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So the one person came in I forget who's so that?
Speaker 3: Forgive me they're overrated was soup because it wasn't filling
Speaker 3: that you would have to drink or eat a lot
Speaker 3: of the soup for it to feel like a meal.
Speaker 3: Now what do you say to that?
Speaker 12: I know I agree because this is soup? Is my overrate?
Speaker 12: I think it's I think it's hot salty water.
Speaker 1: With some shit in it.
Speaker 12: Like I don't like, Okay, a little.
Speaker 1: Hot salty water with some shit in it?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean I'm gonna eat up this whatever I
Speaker 1: just scoop out of the toilet.
Speaker 12: I just think it's a racket.
Speaker 13: I don't like brath.
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's just I find it to be a frustrating
Speaker 12: meal to eat. I don't think it's filling. I think
Speaker 12: broth is a racket. I do like a tomato bisk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're saying it's underrated. Over on the over the
Speaker 1: massage gun was underrated, dude, I'm my brain is racket, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the Massage Gun to the Temple aka
Speaker 1: the hard Reset.
Speaker 10: I learned about it on the Cuban lad Factory. Reset
Speaker 10: your brain, yeah, man, just go, oh my damn, what
Speaker 10: is wrong with me?
Speaker 1: Sorry? Yeah, we had someone who said it was overrated.
Speaker 1: You should fight them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, sorry, my brain.
Speaker 1: It's whoever that was? Maybe I think it might have
Speaker 1: been More Was it More or Joe?
Speaker 3: I think it was last week? It was one of them.
Speaker 12: Best friend because yeah, anytime my friends are like, let's
Speaker 12: go get some soup.
Speaker 1: I'm like, to what end you're you have specific group
Speaker 1: of friends though I've never had a friend come. Or
Speaker 1: maybe you just have more friends than me. But I've
Speaker 1: never had a friend suggest we go get soup.
Speaker 3: I've done that. Well, here's the thing I liked. The
Speaker 3: lobster bisk a hamburger Hamlet in the Valley. I would
Speaker 3: always go there like that was like my fancy meal.
Speaker 3: I remember like when I was something, do you say
Speaker 3: let's go.
Speaker 1: Get Hamburger Hamlet or do you say let's.
Speaker 3: Go get bisk And they're like what And I remember
Speaker 3: I it gave me the worst gas. It's like to
Speaker 3: this day, my friends remember we call a Hamburger Hamlet
Speaker 3: when I fart really loud because it was so it
Speaker 3: was so intense. But I haven't had it since to be.
Speaker 1: Let's take a little trip down to a Biscayne Bay
Speaker 1: exact exactly. You like do a like thing you gesture
Speaker 1: with your hands like you're doing a coke reference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really means just like, what are you doing
Speaker 3: a line now?
Speaker 2: I et?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, how do you fart a bunch?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Saturday night, get with it. I like soup that
Speaker 1: eats like a meal, you know, like a stew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 12: Oh fuck, I guess I just don't like anything like
Speaker 12: just like a thin chicken or beef bra Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when when I'm having soup for dinner, there's
Speaker 1: a part of me that's saying this isn't this isn't
Speaker 1: what I signed up for this isn't this don't count
Speaker 1: as a meal. This is a drink. You gave me
Speaker 1: drink for.
Speaker 12: Meal, hot salty drink and who wants that?
Speaker 1: Now? How do you feel about smoothie for meal? It's
Speaker 1: a rare similar object for me. Yeah, a meal that
Speaker 1: does not make I would say, yeah, I need.
Speaker 12: I need solid. I'm not a baby, a baby, apple
Speaker 12: headed baby, and I want solid, grown up.
Speaker 1: Tell me, thank you. I will just yeah, just on principle,
Speaker 1: I will eat like something solid to go with a smoothie.
Speaker 1: Like I just said, this can't my body will not
Speaker 1: accept it. That's a full meal.
Speaker 2: What is?
Speaker 1: What's something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 13: I think being a hater is underrated. And we talked
Speaker 13: about this in one of our episodes. Haters really are
Speaker 13: the impetus to so much like if you had somebody
Speaker 13: hating on you, you just feel like you have to
Speaker 13: prove them wrong. You have to go so hard and
Speaker 13: a lot of things that we have in society, you
Speaker 13: wouldn't be there without haters. But they get a really
Speaker 13: bad rap. And I was like, y'all need to like
Speaker 13: genuinely thank your haters and not like I like to
Speaker 13: thank my haters, but like, for real, right you yeah you.
Speaker 1: Gave Yeah, your outside opinion of me sort of spurred
Speaker 1: me on.
Speaker 3: To do something different, something great for sure.
Speaker 13: Yeah, if you were just being nice to me, I
Speaker 13: would have just been sitting around doing nothing.
Speaker 1: I just like in my search history is somebody so
Speaker 1: Sony had this like outspoken critic who just hated all
Speaker 1: things Sony and like criticized everything they did and his
Speaker 1: he made so many good points when he was criticizing
Speaker 1: them that they hired him and he became the president
Speaker 1: of Sony eventually.
Speaker 14: WHOA, That's not how I thought.
Speaker 1: I was, like, what so, I mean, truly you can
Speaker 1: find a well informed hater like where all their criticism
Speaker 1: is like actually, like the reason I'm so mad is
Speaker 1: because they make some really good points. Then maybe listen
Speaker 1: to them, maybe keep them close for reasons other than
Speaker 1: you know that you're just watching them, make them your boss. Yeah.
Speaker 14: I feel like the.
Speaker 13: United States should do that for me, for I'm the
Speaker 13: biggest hater of the United States.
Speaker 14: Like president, Yeah, but you don't want to be president though.
Speaker 13: I would do some stuff that we would not come
Speaker 13: back from.
Speaker 15: But I was thinking it could be this could be
Speaker 15: everybody could just be a hater, like in the aftermath
Speaker 15: of the quote unquote great resignation, like everybody could just
Speaker 15: focus on hating and that that'll be our pathway.
Speaker 14: It's employment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here first we heard of your first.
Speaker 1: Plus, it's such a thin line, Like whenever somebody gets
Speaker 1: caught doing something really bad, their first response is always like,
Speaker 1: I'm not listening to the haters on this. So it's
Speaker 1: a real thin line between hater and like person who
Speaker 1: is just calling out you know, horrible behavior.
Speaker 13: For sure, especially if like you see your fath getting
Speaker 13: hated on mm hmm, sometimes you're like, yeah, they're just hating,
Speaker 13: but it's someone you don't like. There's like, it's a
Speaker 13: very principal critique that person, right.
Speaker 14: Start coming out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the principal critique, and I will stand by
Speaker 1: as it's made. Eves, what how about you? What's something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated?
Speaker 14: So I think rekindling old friendships is underrated and this is.
Speaker 1: Underrated.
Speaker 14: Yes, she's thinking for you, because that would have been
Speaker 14: how I kind of felt in the past.
Speaker 15: I was like, you know, it's a new day, it's
Speaker 15: a new dawn, and I don't need to go back
Speaker 15: to these old friendships. But you know, I'm rethinking it
Speaker 15: now after having communications with you know, somebody who I
Speaker 15: used to know is mother today and she was.
Speaker 14: Like, oh, you y'all should talk and I'm like, I'll
Speaker 14: think about it.
Speaker 15: You know, I'll consider it, because before I'm like, you know,
Speaker 15: if they're not in my life anymore, then it's for
Speaker 15: a reason.
Speaker 14: You know how all the kids say they're in your.
Speaker 1: Life for a reason or a season or something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 15: Right, So I don't know if I subscribe to that anymore.
Speaker 15: So that's that's what my underrated is going to be, Okay,
Speaker 15: all right?
Speaker 1: And I actually needed to hear that. There there's somebody
Speaker 1: that I've just been like toying with the idea of, like, man,
Speaker 1: really get back in touch with them. I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to them in years. And yeah, that needed to hear that.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 15: I think biopics are overrated? And this is coming from
Speaker 15: someone who is I love biography and written form. I
Speaker 15: love it in podcast form. I love it in those forms.
Speaker 15: But for some reason I have something against biopics. Like
Speaker 15: my husband coerced me to go to the Bob Parley
Speaker 15: Bob Marley Biopics the other day, and I'm just for
Speaker 15: some reason, it's just something about seeing somebody who looks
Speaker 15: nothing like the person and sounds nothing like the person.
Speaker 15: And it's really hard to get somebody's accent down, Like
Speaker 15: that's not an easy thing to do for the best
Speaker 15: of outs. There's something that misses the translation. And I
Speaker 15: think also it's like very hard to cover a person's
Speaker 15: story in an hour and forty five minutes in a
Speaker 15: way that feels really meaningful now that I think it
Speaker 15: can't be done in that Like it's just to me,
Speaker 15: they always come off as medium.
Speaker 3: Or right or like someone who could do no wrong
Speaker 3: or something like that, like and he was actually the
Speaker 3: hero of.
Speaker 14: Everything, right, yeah, because they had structure.
Speaker 3: There's some complexities there with his life for sure. And
Speaker 3: also we were hating on the wig. First of all.
Speaker 3: The first thing I said, are like, no.
Speaker 14: No, no, no, nobody wis right?
Speaker 3: Nobody does That's like you could have find it a Jamaican,
Speaker 3: a Jamaican actor who already had dreads or something like that.
Speaker 1: You had to go find this isn't he from the UK?
Speaker 3: Like they do that. Yeah, I just remember being like
Speaker 3: this is trash man, Like I can't even I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't look at this because the wigs were the
Speaker 3: wig was so bad.
Speaker 15: The wig was wiggy. Okay, it's always the scalp with locks.
Speaker 15: It's the scalp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get wrong. It's really hard to do, and
Speaker 3: it's always like a helmet with like it feels like
Speaker 3: a helmet was popping off.
Speaker 15: Yes, it was giving Tyler Perry wigs or from Walking Dead. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 15: it's that's exactly what it was. And they try it too,
Speaker 15: Like shout out to the wigmakers. I know it's a
Speaker 15: hard job. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 14: They are fully talented and skilled and have been working
Speaker 14: on their crafts.
Speaker 13: They like tried to.
Speaker 15: They lengthened the wig throughout the movie. Yeah, and all
Speaker 15: of that, and I'm like, okay, okay, all right, wow you.
Speaker 3: Did the guess the church. Oh okay, all right, well
Speaker 3: take you yeah, okay, bless your heart. At least you tried.
Speaker 3: There is there a thing too, like with because we
Speaker 3: were talking about this, I think maybe off Mike Jack,
Speaker 3: but like some people are just kind of so cool,
Speaker 3: like don't even bother trying to get somebody else to
Speaker 3: capture that cool on screen, like there was like a
Speaker 3: Miles Davis biopic.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't that. This dude is also all
Speaker 1: over the place. You can't just be like, yeah, now
Speaker 1: you're Miles Day, You're Bob Marley or whatever. They're so
Speaker 1: iconic that you either have to like cast the person
Speaker 1: who looks the most like them, like they did with
Speaker 1: that Tupac one, but then person he could not be
Speaker 1: able to act, So yeah, then yeah, it's you're it's
Speaker 1: a real like you are trying to thread the thinnest needle.
Speaker 1: And also yeah, like maybe like a Tupac biography in
Speaker 1: one hundred years, maybe you know, like but when no
Speaker 1: one remembers who, yeah remembers and they're just like they've
Speaker 1: seen the pictures. But like right now, Bob Marley Tupac
Speaker 1: like way way too soon.
Speaker 15: I feel, yeah, it needs some distance, and it didn't
Speaker 15: make it any better that at the end of the
Speaker 15: Bob Marley film. I don't know if I'm going too
Speaker 15: hard on this right now that much, but at the
Speaker 15: end of the Bob Marley film, they show like actual
Speaker 15: footage of Bob Marley and comparing his energy on stage
Speaker 15: to the energy that the actor was giving was just
Speaker 15: miles away. It was like it was so spirited and
Speaker 15: you could really see that coming out in the clips
Speaker 15: and having just seen the actor do it in the film,
Speaker 15: I was like something was missing that that Genna sa
Speaker 15: Quaw wasn't there.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Chatwick, If Chatwick was alive, I feel like you
Speaker 13: could play anybody great actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you need. Like sometimes it works because yeah,
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 13: Marshall, I don't remember you played someone super super you
Speaker 13: better quit it in that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think he did. He did pay their good Marshall.
Speaker 13: I believe that wasn't matter at it actually Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, also with a Kingsley ben Adeer, that's the name
Speaker 3: of the actor who played him. But yeah, like I'm
Speaker 3: sure when you see that juxtaposition of actual Bob Marley footage,
Speaker 3: it really feels like your parents being like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: got Bob Marley at home, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie, what's something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 13: I think Chick fil A is overrated, And I think
Speaker 13: once we all band together and stop eating Chick fil A,
Speaker 13: that's when the revolution will happen.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 13: Because they don't like the gays. They don't like the
Speaker 13: blacks for real, because the Blacks and the Latinos being
Speaker 13: a bad and not in the front interacting with customers.
Speaker 1: Wow, the chicken.
Speaker 13: I haven't had chicken in maybe ten years. It was
Speaker 13: it algohol. But other people make good chickens. They're not
Speaker 13: the only ones, and people be acting like they're the
Speaker 13: only ones just because they say please and thank you
Speaker 13: in my pleasure. We how to high higher standards for ourselves.
Speaker 14: The hard thing about this is that they're expanding.
Speaker 13: They're expanding like crazy, especially in Georgia.
Speaker 15: Oh really, country across the country. Yeah, there's like four
Speaker 15: of them on my exit. Yeah, they're a franchise model,
Speaker 15: and it's like super hard to get into. Like their franchise,
Speaker 15: they have a specific way and they're never gonna po
Speaker 15: They're never gonna go public.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know.
Speaker 14: How, but I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe it.
Speaker 14: If you believe it, I believe it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, the revolution is gonna start right when we give.
Speaker 3: Up to a when people can like, yeah, the first
Speaker 3: principled consumer decision like the entire country can collectively make,
Speaker 3: they'd be like, aside from the morality, the chicken, also
Speaker 3: like Popeyes is better man? When I in the Atlanta
Speaker 3: studio that's by Delilah's. I had a chicken sandwich from
Speaker 3: there that blew my socks right off my feet. Like
Speaker 3: I saw that. I was like a Willy Wonka exhibit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was definitely like, Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: just one of those things. And I said this before
Speaker 3: when I think was it Dulce Sloan who maybe or
Speaker 3: somebody was talking about it, or maybe it was doctor
Speaker 3: John anyway, somebody was also saying was coming with that
Speaker 3: overrated and.
Speaker 1: It's probably one of our most common overrateds And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's time.
Speaker 3: I think it's like one of those things. It's like
Speaker 3: one of those things too, because in the West Coast
Speaker 3: we never had it, Like so when it came out
Speaker 3: on the West Coast, it was like what in and
Speaker 3: out is to other places, the thing I heard about
Speaker 3: from our relatives that live in this out through the
Speaker 3: East Coast or whatever. And yeah, and I think once
Speaker 3: that subsides, maybe people can, you know, we can all
Speaker 3: band together break just.
Speaker 13: The novel a little bit.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think if anybody Katie and
Speaker 15: I are actually from the land of Truett, Kathy spent
Speaker 15: a lot of time going up there where he lived, and.
Speaker 14: I think if anybody can do it, we can do it.
Speaker 14: Because we can.
Speaker 15: Yeah, we have original quaim the land of the Chick
Speaker 15: fil A. And if we can do it, anybody in
Speaker 15: this country can do it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 13: I went on a field trip to Chick fil A
Speaker 13: ranch in elementary school.
Speaker 1: Ranch.
Speaker 13: I don't know if it still exists. It was so fun.
Speaker 13: They had not picking them up now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like we actually you know thought I love that.
Speaker 13: It was so fun that it was like they had
Speaker 13: I guess it was like a cow sanctuary something because
Speaker 13: you know they don't, right. Yeah, and they had like
Speaker 13: those like what are they call connas Conna stago wagons? Yeah,
Speaker 13: the people going west was that we're in uh so
Speaker 13: we slept in those. It was an overnight trip, mind you.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 13: We did somemores, We like cooked on the fire. It
Speaker 13: was real fun.
Speaker 14: That does sound fun today. We should look you.
Speaker 3: Let me change my overrates.
Speaker 13: Actually they're underrated.
Speaker 1: Under it over the restaurant. Yeah. I think I've talked
Speaker 1: about this before, but I got as an award in
Speaker 1: middle school. I got to go on this field trip
Speaker 1: and it was just the long John Silver's headquarters like
Speaker 1: corporate headquarters, the worst version of your field trip, right,
Speaker 1: not even like they didn't have any fun themed thing.
Speaker 1: You just like sat and watched the fucking them go
Speaker 1: through some spreadsheets and then got to eat one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to work on their propaganda game, you know.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it would be pretty cool if they
Speaker 15: would have showed you all the different kinds of fish
Speaker 15: that go into.
Speaker 1: The Actually yeah right, we usually at a pet store
Speaker 1: to get this stuff put together.
Speaker 14: That would be wild if the.
Speaker 1: Goldfish mash is what you're actually getting. Oh man, all right,
Speaker 1: well that's disgusting. Sorry to leave it on that note,
Speaker 1: but we are going to take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and we're gonna talk some news.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back, and Josh, you
Speaker 1: want to kick us off with a little bit of
Speaker 1: what you think something underrated?
Speaker 6: Underrated as it actually ties into my overrated but plane
Speaker 6: Zelda Tiers of the Kingdom. Because you're unemployed, it's just because, yeah,
Speaker 6: because it hits different. Yeah, when you're unemployed. It has
Speaker 6: helped and probably hurt my job search. Playing Tiers of
Speaker 6: the Gadom not like a game player guy. But I
Speaker 6: got laid off around the holidays and my in laws
Speaker 6: gave me Tears of the Kingdom and I was, I
Speaker 6: don't have the time, right then, I wait, wait, I
Speaker 6: do have the time. Yeah, and so yeah, I've I've
Speaker 6: logged many many hours on it. So I'd say that
Speaker 6: is my underrated You should be playing Tiers of the
Speaker 6: Kingdom if you aren't.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that it has both hurt and helped your
Speaker 1: job search. How have you met prospective employers while playing
Speaker 1: Cheers of the Kingdom? How has it helped your job?
Speaker 3: I brought it to a job interview and I was
Speaker 3: playing during the.
Speaker 4: Interview, and to go to interview to figure out why
Speaker 4: I can't find a job, have no clue.
Speaker 6: I think it hurt because it's probably hours I could
Speaker 6: have spent.
Speaker 1: The hurt is clear. The hurt is clear. How's it helping?
Speaker 6: Oh uh, it's helped because it's helped my mental health.
Speaker 6: Like there you go, like I have this, Yeah, I
Speaker 6: have this to look forward.
Speaker 1: To you today.
Speaker 6: I have to finish this temple, you know. I tell
Speaker 6: my wife like, hey, I know you're in a meeting,
Speaker 6: but I really have to beat this boss down. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm focusing Daddy's cacusing, can't you use headphones?
Speaker 3: Josh, No, I can't. Really didn't have headphones back then
Speaker 3: in high role. So then what's you're overrated?
Speaker 6: My overrated is being unemployed due to tech layoffs. It
Speaker 6: is is uh fun enough when you start out, you're
Speaker 6: like you're getting some money in when you get unemployment
Speaker 6: and things, but then that runs out. Because we live
Speaker 6: in North Carolina. I'm not sure what the how it
Speaker 6: works in California, but here in the South we get
Speaker 6: like a certain period of times and then you're like done,
Speaker 6: You're cut off. You can't like reapply, and you're just actually.
Speaker 4: Come to your house and kick you in the nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could get I think like somewhere around twenty
Speaker 3: something weeks in California. I think it's like six weeks
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the swift kick in the nuts. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So with that, I mean, with that, it's led me into, oh,
Speaker 6: I need to figure out where I'm going to go
Speaker 6: and tex So that's where there's ui UX classes come
Speaker 6: in there, because you got you got to get things
Speaker 6: on your resume. I think you gotta, you know, you
Speaker 6: get it's like catching Pokemon. You got to have these
Speaker 6: little things so that people will look at you and
Speaker 6: go ooh something. Besides Tiers of the Kingdom, you can
Speaker 6: also add Pokemon to yours. Put that on a bunch
Speaker 6: and they said please take that off. They're like, yeah, well,
Speaker 6: looking for people to play pow World.
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh that's my problem.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 10: Will.
Speaker 1: How about you? What's something you think is underrated? What's
Speaker 1: something you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: Underrated? I would say, uh, normal human beings attempting to
Speaker 4: fight professional football players. Did you guys see the video
Speaker 4: of Cam Newton, Yeah, handling those three dudes, four dudes,
Speaker 4: however many of there were. It was incredible and disclaimer disclaimer,
Speaker 4: don't actually do this, but you should absolutely attempt to
Speaker 4: fight uh, former football players who are used to having
Speaker 4: eleven p people trying to kill them, you know, and
Speaker 4: being paid millions of dollars because they're good at preventing
Speaker 4: that from happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I And and it's underrated because I then get to
Speaker 4: watch the video of you getting your ass kicked by
Speaker 4: a football player. People do not understand how big these
Speaker 4: human beings are and how strong they are, and how
Speaker 4: they're used to just like again, like Cam Newton's one
Speaker 4: of the greatest runners of all time, not for a
Speaker 4: quarterback but in general.
Speaker 1: Just period, just period.
Speaker 4: He's six four six four or sixty five and two
Speaker 4: hundred and forty five pounds and he just he handled
Speaker 4: those guys. His hat didn't come off, like his hat
Speaker 4: hat literally stayed.
Speaker 3: On his head. Yeah, what kind of hat.
Speaker 1: It looks like he's wearing like a witch's hat or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he absolutely looks like like he's in wather. He's
Speaker 1: got that hipster flat brim kilgrim hat with like his
Speaker 1: dreads coming out of the top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he looks he looks like he's Dick Tracy almost,
Speaker 4: or like a Dick Tracy villain. But it's this specific
Speaker 4: brand of hat that he's been having made custom for
Speaker 4: him for a while now.
Speaker 6: It looks like the old guy from Pultrygeist too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does have like Quaker oats guys. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that. I think kids.
Speaker 6: I feel like kids forgot. Do you remember the Mike
Speaker 6: Balley fighting videos he was a professional skateboard.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they were like inky and stuff.
Speaker 6: Like kids need to watch those, And that's like the
Speaker 6: probably like Cam Newton is going to suck you up,
Speaker 6: like it's like Mike Valley can take on fight five people.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was.
Speaker 6: He was like a big guy. Yeah, but like that's
Speaker 6: that's the lower and that's the lower.
Speaker 3: And especially like, yeah, like a quarterback who then starts
Speaker 3: growing dreads, like that's because they've had some kind of evolution,
Speaker 3: you know exactly, So like they were probably on top
Speaker 3: of the physical prowess. They're like mentally now on another
Speaker 3: plane too, where they're like, oh, the three of you
Speaker 3: against me.
Speaker 4: And the amazing thing is that Cam didn't even like
Speaker 4: he didn't really get violent back with them. He just
Speaker 4: used their momentum and did the quarterback thing of like
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's it's like he went it's like he
Speaker 4: had a a like a Vietnam flashback and went into
Speaker 4: soldier mode and just didn't want to get sacked. So
Speaker 4: he's like immediately it's like it's like the pocket closed
Speaker 4: in on him by three guys who are also swinging
Speaker 4: on him, and he just he just moved them around
Speaker 4: like they were.
Speaker 6: Absolute racked unnecessary roughness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, penalty. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was super funny to watch, and I obviously don't
Speaker 4: want people going and trying professional athletes, but also I
Speaker 4: kind of do because then I get to watch the videos,
Speaker 4: so you.
Speaker 6: Get bonuses as a professional athlete.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, well something you think is overrated, will
Speaker 1: I'll keep this one short.
Speaker 4: Not wishing things on your worst enemy, not they're your
Speaker 4: worst enemy. You should try it sometime and it feels great.
Speaker 4: You should wish all the worst things on your worst enemy.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 3: Do you think we're right now?
Speaker 1: Like America is just it's just chicken shit now, we
Speaker 1: don't even worst wish the worst on our work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's nice to our worst enemies.
Speaker 4: So what happens, I'll say, you know, because so much
Speaker 4: of my h I guess, like persona revolves around Twitter
Speaker 4: and shit, so I get scolded on there a lot.
Speaker 4: Like there's been a few recent tweets where I've started
Speaker 4: fake rumors about awful people dying and like like Mitch
Speaker 4: McConnell and Ian Miles Chong recently I started a whole
Speaker 4: like Time quoted my tweet on their website and stuff.
Speaker 4: I said that the president of the Premiere of Malaysia
Speaker 4: executed him, and I just like popped. I just tweeted
Speaker 4: it and then went to sleep and then woke up
Speaker 4: and it had like like fifty thousand likes and had
Speaker 4: like millions and millions.
Speaker 1: Of views, and people were like, what the fuck did
Speaker 1: this really happen?
Speaker 4: And people, and of course I get scolded by people
Speaker 4: who are like this is it's wrong when the right
Speaker 4: does it, and it's wrong when the left does it,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, but I'm correct and I'm not a.
Speaker 1: Piece of shit.
Speaker 3: You know this, This this quote came out of a
Speaker 3: Dale Earnhart avatar account exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: The only reason it got traction is because I used
Speaker 4: the little red light alert emojis and put like breaking
Speaker 4: I and my song executor signed by the premiere of
Speaker 4: Malaysia he was thirty four years old or something like that,
Speaker 4: and pusted his picture.
Speaker 3: Hey man, Dale would know because he's up there. Exactly,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: But yeah, people, so I have fun online and people
Speaker 4: get mad about it, and I'm just saying, get off
Speaker 4: your high horse, stop being high and mighty and like,
Speaker 4: wish you know, they're your worst enemy.
Speaker 1: You should it's a wish. Your wish doesn't matter exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: there's no matter was kind of annoying to me because
Speaker 1: I started my painting of Dale Earnhardt and Ruth Bader
Speaker 1: Ginsburg welcoming him into heaven, and a week later it
Speaker 1: was debu Yeah, fake news.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fake news. Well, I'm glad to know
Speaker 4: that you're gonna have the same post like your second
Speaker 4: career as uh, you know, George W.
Speaker 3: Bush.
Speaker 4: You're gonna yeah, you're just gonna get into jack.
Speaker 6: Both war criminals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that about me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: little fact, little un fact. I'm glad. Do you guys
Speaker 1: like my flight suit? My mission, mission accomplished?
Speaker 4: I love the banner behind you too.
Speaker 3: Don't ask them, let them compliment you organically if they
Speaker 3: have to, they'll do that if they like it.
Speaker 1: Don't I'm taking I'm taking this pick up course for Miles,
Speaker 1: and he's got to teach me a little.
Speaker 3: Man. Just let the outfit do the talking.
Speaker 1: Do you guys like my shirt man? All right? Should
Speaker 1: we talk about libs of TikTok?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a daily zeitgeist, a typical hard turn into
Speaker 3: dark ship. Yeah, so libs of TikTok shaia chaya rachick, right, chick.
Speaker 3: You know this, This account has seen massive growth over
Speaker 3: the years and like you know, what started out as
Speaker 3: like a place for election denihilism and COVID misinformation and
Speaker 3: tales of child trafficking has turned down into like a
Speaker 3: full blown lgbtqu plus hate machine and sending like you know,
Speaker 3: the accounts followers on harassment campaigns against innocent people, and recently, Richik,
Speaker 3: the accounts operated, was interviewed by Taylor Lorenz. And while
Speaker 3: at times there are moments that make you laugh at
Speaker 3: how stupid and ignorant and uninformed she is, her views
Speaker 3: are inspiring, you know, like real world violence, like bomb threats,
Speaker 3: death threats, docsing, you name it. And she has this
Speaker 3: pattern of directing followers towards LGBTQ plus teachers or school
Speaker 3: administrators other figures like that, and when things get too wild,
Speaker 3: she'll delete the posts and act like nothing happened, even
Speaker 3: though she recently said that she wears the label of
Speaker 3: stochastic terrorists with pride and like in the interview, it's
Speaker 3: clear that, like Rerichik doesn't really give much thought to
Speaker 3: her beliefs in like a way that she can actually
Speaker 3: articulate herself, probably a symptom of just being in your
Speaker 3: little bubble of hate speech and people like raw rahing
Speaker 3: the shit on. So, so here's an excerpt where Taylor
Speaker 3: Lorenz is asking her just sort of like, what exactly
Speaker 3: is your issue with trans adults? What harm are they causing?
Speaker 1: And again really unable to articulate anything resembling a thought
Speaker 1: it's a lie and.
Speaker 9: What harm is it causing?
Speaker 14: Do you believe.
Speaker 13: I like the truth?
Speaker 9: I like truth, right, but I'm saying, what's the harm
Speaker 9: of people expressing their gender identity differently than you believe.
Speaker 1: It to be?
Speaker 9: What harm are they causing?
Speaker 1: Like I said, we are a nation of truth and
Speaker 1: I seek the truth.
Speaker 9: But that's but I'm asking about the harm. What's the harm?
Speaker 9: You might believe it to be poss but.
Speaker 5: The harm is that there's a lie that is very
Speaker 5: mainstream and as being abouted into every institution.
Speaker 9: I guess I'm wondering what the material harm is, aside
Speaker 9: from it's maybe something that you disagree with, is in
Speaker 9: your version of the truth is different than their version
Speaker 9: of the truth. What is the material harm of them
Speaker 9: living in their life as a woman or man or
Speaker 9: gender that you don't have.
Speaker 1: Not anything that's wrong? Is there a material harm necessarily.
Speaker 13: So there's no harm.
Speaker 1: Not everything that's wrong as a material harm. Eight not
Speaker 1: anything that's wrong as a material harm.
Speaker 3: And then there's this other clip too that kind of
Speaker 3: summed up just how like all over the place this
Speaker 3: interview was. This is this is like another section of
Speaker 3: the interview where Taylor Loren's asking a question and then
Speaker 3: gets interrupted. Oh, this is my favorite part.
Speaker 1: I think that's good.
Speaker 9: I'm curious kind of how you're thinking, you know, when
Speaker 9: you think about your the way that you put out
Speaker 9: content and the way that you think about growing your
Speaker 9: media empire.
Speaker 1: Kara, this is a blowdob.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I don't know what?
Speaker 2: You know? What?
Speaker 1: I don't know what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What are you showing me this for? And yeah, like
Speaker 3: I said, like the interview, it's it's not anything where
Speaker 3: you're like, wow, this.
Speaker 1: Is one of these like this person is here, this
Speaker 1: is a blowjobhow.
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's like two middle it's like two middle schoolers
Speaker 4: on the internet exactly on the internet.
Speaker 1: What do you want me not to show it to you?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Now what but it's a blowjob? Do you do you deny? Sir?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: How is this relevant to what I was asking about
Speaker 3: about the real world harm that your account is causing
Speaker 3: in your actions, and you know this thing has taking
Speaker 3: evolution like rather now it's just beyond like just sort
Speaker 3: of this right wing you know account where people are
Speaker 3: just you know, get to all the the people can
Speaker 3: fill their tanks filled with hate by ingesting her content.
Speaker 3: She now has. You know, she found a fan in
Speaker 3: this guy, Michael Walters, who's the Republican school Attendant school
Speaker 3: superintendent of Oklahoma, and gave her a spot on the
Speaker 3: Oklahoma Library Media Advisory Committee where she can sort of
Speaker 3: continue her campaign to get wokeness out of schools. It
Speaker 3: should be also noted Reijaik has only been to Oklahoma
Speaker 3: once in her life. She doesn't live there. She like
Speaker 3: lives between California and Florida. But her posts on her
Speaker 3: libs of TikTok account did lead to a school receiving
Speaker 3: a bomb threat in Tulsa, and so so.
Speaker 1: She's basically a resident. Yeah you've almost gotten the school
Speaker 1: blown up in a state you basically live. You can.
Speaker 3: That's how you register to vote, Yeah, that's that's how
Speaker 3: that works. And so now a lot of people are
Speaker 3: noticing her role in Oklahoma, especially after this death of
Speaker 3: a sixteen year old non binary student, Next Benedict. So this,
Speaker 3: this student was violently attacked in a school bathroom in
Speaker 3: suburban Tulsa and passed away the following day. Police say
Speaker 3: they don't think that they died as a result of
Speaker 3: physical trauma, but NeXT's friend, who was also attacked that day,
Speaker 3: said that Next had indeed suffered head trauma during the incident.
Speaker 3: So it's like a very murky but fucked up incident.
Speaker 3: And like the timing of when the when NeXT's parents
Speaker 3: are informed is just like it's just like a total
Speaker 3: fuck up at every level, and a lot of Ray
Speaker 3: Chick Rightschik's allies or second well that she has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with this, like Odwick, why are you saying
Speaker 3: that she has blood on her hand? These kinds of
Speaker 3: extreme political views absolutely have real world effects on kids.
Speaker 3: So like Next Benedict's mother, just as an example, said
Speaker 3: that the bullying began at in high school right after
Speaker 3: Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill into law that
Speaker 3: forbids trans and gender expansive kids from accessing restrooms consistent
Speaker 3: with their gender identity. So it's not hard to imagine
Speaker 3: how the hate that was inspired by Rachex's past posts
Speaker 3: would translate to danger for these marginalized kids, and like,
Speaker 3: especially when you look at the fact that two years
Speaker 3: ago the a lot of people are polinting the fact
Speaker 3: that the libs of TikTok account went after a teacher
Speaker 3: in the exact same in the very school district that
Speaker 3: Next Benedict was part of, for saying that, oh, this
Speaker 3: person is like a groomer or whatever because they support
Speaker 3: LGBTQ plus students. And according to Next Benedict's mother, this
Speaker 3: was like a teacher that they looked up to a lot,
Speaker 3: and then two years later this tragedy before their family.
Speaker 3: So a lot of people like this is just like
Speaker 3: we're like, what the fuck is going on? And you're
Speaker 3: inviting this person to be part of the school administrative body,
Speaker 3: or at least the overarching or overseeing body of the
Speaker 3: school district. And again you look at like there's a
Speaker 3: recent report that found that like only a quarter of
Speaker 3: trans youth who are victimized at school were able to
Speaker 3: report this to a teacher or staff member, and of
Speaker 3: those who did, half reported that staff helped only a
Speaker 3: little or not at all. So like the current backdrop
Speaker 3: of these hostile bills that like target these students only
Speaker 3: makes this kind of behavior acceptable to their peers, like
Speaker 3: in this very like indirect or direct way. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, like we're also just looking at a whole
Speaker 3: just a total failure on the part of schools and
Speaker 3: administrators to actually protect kids. So yeah, I mean this
Speaker 3: is like, I don't right now, there's a lot of people,
Speaker 3: there's a lot more pressure for Racheck to be like
Speaker 3: ousted from this school body, but as I mean, it
Speaker 3: seems like there is enough support within the people that
Speaker 3: make those decisions to keep her there.
Speaker 1: At the moment.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like, but it's just also alarming when
Speaker 3: you have these kinds of people, like like you know,
Speaker 3: running this libs of TikTok account and they truly have
Speaker 3: no idea of like what they're like, what their actions
Speaker 3: are doing, how they reverberate in space. They're just kind
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, I get clicks like this and it's fun.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, they call me stochastic terrorists. I
Speaker 3: think it makes me feel important.
Speaker 1: I think that's fucking tough as hell dog, right, But yeah,
Speaker 1: and then meanwhile, just attacking the most vulnerable people in
Speaker 1: a society, like children struggling with gender identity and just
Speaker 1: and then attacking the people who might support them and
Speaker 1: make them like slightly less vulnerable. It's just like going
Speaker 1: down the list of like the easiest like people to
Speaker 1: fucking bully and harm in a society and making that
Speaker 1: your mission.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we've said this in the past, like a
Speaker 3: lot of this is to do with, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to make mainstream the shame of not being like a
Speaker 3: cishead person because from their perspective, the world has become
Speaker 3: too inclusive. So the way to push back against that
Speaker 3: is to try and revive, like this the culture of
Speaker 3: shaming people to do that. And yeah, so unfortunately it's
Speaker 3: like going after people who support these very like vulnerable it's.
Speaker 1: Still there, Like it's not it doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: revived that much. Like there's still a fucking hell of
Speaker 1: a shame culture for these people to deal with. They're
Speaker 1: already you know, the most vulnerable to this sort of
Speaker 1: shaming culture, and then they're just piling on it.
Speaker 4: Didn't it didn't go anywhere, that's for sure. They're just
Speaker 4: like adding fuel to the fire. They're dumping you know,
Speaker 4: gasoline on it. Yeah, yeah, this this rache is is
Speaker 4: uh watching that interview. I didn't watch the entire thing.
Speaker 1: I could not take it. Yet, I could not. I
Speaker 1: could not.
Speaker 4: How just for lack of a better term, stupid she
Speaker 4: comes across because she you know, not that I expected
Speaker 4: her to have some like well thought out reasoning behind
Speaker 4: her her hate campaign. She doesn't know what she believes exactly.
Speaker 4: She's never given it thought because she's never been pressed
Speaker 4: to explain it. She's only ever, you know, she only
Speaker 4: sees the things that she wants to see online. She
Speaker 4: is an online person, like definitively, that is exclusively and
Speaker 4: the moment she has to defend herself in real life
Speaker 4: to any kind of scrutiny. Not the thing about the interview,
Speaker 4: There was not a single.
Speaker 1: Tough question in it. No, nothing, nothing tough was asked
Speaker 1: of her whatsoever, Like, Hey, you grew up in this community, right, yep,
Speaker 1: so you've never like met you don't know that you've
Speaker 1: met an LGBTQ plus person. Nope, just online? And like
Speaker 1: have you met them online? Have you interacted with them online? Nope?
Speaker 1: Just just seen videos about them.
Speaker 6: But she had the nickelback portrait, things like this is
Speaker 6: this is a bow job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely incredible. And also for the listeners if
Speaker 4: you haven't seen it, her fit that she is wearing
Speaker 4: during this interview. I put a picture of it in
Speaker 4: the chat. I don't I don't know if y'all can
Speaker 4: see it. She's wearing like the most Christian homeschool mom
Speaker 4: denim jean skirt and a picture of Taylor Lorenz on
Speaker 4: her on her T shirt.
Speaker 1: Like that is the yeah.
Speaker 4: Like, and then she sounds as like if you wear
Speaker 4: that outfit to an interview and then sound as stupid
Speaker 4: as you do as she does, yeah, you you've You've
Speaker 4: lost on all fronts, on all there's no coming back
Speaker 4: from that. Now, Having said that, I know her fans
Speaker 4: are gonna still support her no matter what she says,
Speaker 4: no matter how stupid she is from that outfit.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, two shirt, it's perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you have to you have to come stronger.
Speaker 4: I still I still feel like, like ideally in my mind,
Speaker 4: her Ardent supporters were just like typing that out. But
Speaker 4: then like you know, with the with the crying behind
Speaker 4: the mask, yeah, faces, like there is something undeniable about
Speaker 4: that interview of like, oh, this is this is the
Speaker 4: leader of our little stochastic terrorism.
Speaker 3: She sounds this stupid.
Speaker 6: It is weird when you see people that can't support
Speaker 6: their own argument, because it feels like if I don't
Speaker 6: agree with someone, and it's like the horrible thing. I'm like, well,
Speaker 6: if you have a thought out, so you know, like
Speaker 6: some libertarians, you're like, oh, I guess you believe if
Speaker 6: you believe what you think. But it's like she truly doesn't.
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes of conversation to get to the bullshit with them,
Speaker 1: like you're like, oh I so you're like picking up momentum,
Speaker 1: I see how you made this mistake and then it's
Speaker 1: like but yeah, But.
Speaker 6: With her, it was just straight up it's hard to
Speaker 6: look at that fit because I was raised Kinecostal and
Speaker 6: that's like how all all of us dressed, you know,
Speaker 6: And but it's weird. It's like, but it's like if
Speaker 6: my church was in Brooklyn kind of it's got this
Speaker 6: kind of thing where it's like like, you shouldn't be
Speaker 6: if you have those views on top of anything, you
Speaker 6: shouldn't be allowed to dress halfway hip like that should
Speaker 6: you should?
Speaker 1: You should?
Speaker 6: I don't know what you should be dressed in, but
Speaker 6: it shouldn't be something that's sort of it's like it's
Speaker 6: like the hip version of like the movie Mimic, you know,
Speaker 6: like I think that's a human being over there wearing
Speaker 6: that that fit, but it's really just like a cockroach
Speaker 6: hands on its face.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think she did a good job of basically
Speaker 3: distilling the like this this mentality of hatred down to
Speaker 3: its essence, which in the end is stupid, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, you can't actually say what are the
Speaker 3: damages that like a more articulate sort of homophobic, transphobic
Speaker 3: person might be able to be like, well, then this
Speaker 3: could happen to our kids, But really, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day is not There's not really none, none really,
Speaker 3: and it gives.
Speaker 4: It gives the game away of like their their ultimate
Speaker 4: goal is to get rid of trans people altogether. You know,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, what harm are they causing? Well, this, ultimately,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit here and sounds stupid, but that's because
Speaker 4: I don't want to say out loud they're not causing
Speaker 4: any harm. We just want to get rid of them,
Speaker 4: because exactly that's that's ultimately, if she had just skipped
Speaker 4: all of the hemming and haueing and just said that,
Speaker 4: like it's almost more of a noble response than than like,
Speaker 4: you know, sounding like a complete idiot.
Speaker 6: You think that owning the libs thing would have a
Speaker 6: platform by now it doesn't, but it's like it feels
Speaker 6: like it eventually you would put fill in the bullet points.
Speaker 6: But the only purpose is to essentially like reak havoc.
Speaker 6: But they don't have any actual platform that they stand on.
Speaker 4: It's liberal tears. That's their platform. That's that's the reactionaries
Speaker 4: thing is just like I don't know why I'm so angry,
Speaker 4: but I'm angry. And as long as it upsets my
Speaker 4: you know, left leaning ideological opponents, that's all I give
Speaker 4: a shit about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, one thing we can learn right wing
Speaker 1: hate mongering fascists are getting better at wearing ironic T
Speaker 1: shirts and the left is terrified.
Speaker 4: I am scared.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we're going to come back and talk about the coolest
Speaker 1: museum coming to an empty, closed down Kroger near you.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. So yeah, just
Speaker 1: in terms of juxtaposing like what these companies are saying
Speaker 1: and the mainstream media is buying versus what is actually happening.
Speaker 1: So I was reminded of Sam Altman telling The New
Speaker 1: Yorker that he keeps like a a bag with cyanide
Speaker 1: capsules ready to go in case of the AI apocalypse.
Speaker 1: So you know, he is an expert who gets billions
Speaker 1: of dollars richer if people think his technology is so
Speaker 1: powerful that he's like freaked out by it. So, but
Speaker 1: that that's something that I don't know I've seen reprinted
Speaker 1: in like long articles about the danger of AI. And
Speaker 1: then there's this other like more real world trend where
Speaker 1: like you you talk about a Google engineer who admitted
Speaker 1: they're not going to use any large language model as
Speaker 1: part of their families healthcare journey.
Speaker 8: Oh that was a Google That was a Google senior
Speaker 8: vice president, not not a senior of Google VP. Greg
Speaker 8: Corrado is one of the heads of Google Health.
Speaker 1: Yea, there is yeah, And there's also this story from
Speaker 1: your show has a fresh health segment at the end
Speaker 1: where you talk about just saying examples headlines that are
Speaker 1: just fresh. Yeah, it's just fresh out. It's new versions
Speaker 1: of Yeah. The one about duo lingo from a recent
Speaker 1: episode where they're getting rid of human translators, firing them,
Speaker 1: cutting the workforce, replacing them with translation AI, even though
Speaker 1: the technology isn't there yet. But the point that you
Speaker 1: were making on the show is that they're willing to
Speaker 1: go forward with that because the user base won't notice
Speaker 1: the difference until they're in Spain and need to get
Speaker 1: to a hospital and asking for the biblioteca, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's they are specifically an audience who is not
Speaker 1: going to know how bad the product that they're getting
Speaker 1: is because they're just like not a in a position
Speaker 1: to know that by the nature of the product. And
Speaker 1: so just this distinction between being hyped to the mainstream
Speaker 1: media and like these long read like New York or
Speaker 1: Atlantic articles as this is a future that we should
Speaker 1: be scared of because like it's going to become self
Speaker 1: aware and Sam Altman is freaked out, and then what
Speaker 1: it's actually doing, which is just making everything shittier around us,
Speaker 1: is I think a big kind of chunk that I
Speaker 1: took away from your show that was just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes way more sense. That feels much more likely
Speaker 1: to be how this thing progresses.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So the AI doumerism, which is when Altman says
Speaker 11: I've got my bug out bag and my sinanite capsules
Speaker 11: in case the robot apocalypse comes. Or when Jeff Hinton,
Speaker 11: who's credited, has a Turing Award for his work on
Speaker 11: the specific kind of computer program that's us see Gabbo
Speaker 11: statistics that's behind these Lars line models. He's now concerned
Speaker 11: that it's on track to becoming smarter than us, and
Speaker 11: it's gonna like these piles of linear algebra are not
Speaker 11: going to combust into consciousness. And anytime someone is like,
Speaker 11: you know, pointing to that boogeyman, what they're doing is
Speaker 11: they're basically hiding the actions of the people in the
Speaker 11: picture who are using it to do things like make
Speaker 11: a shitty language learning product because it's cheaper to do
Speaker 11: it that way than to pay the people with the
Speaker 11: actual expertise to do the translations.
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, Yeah, And it's just leading just to I mean,
Speaker 8: I like this kind of thought on this, I mean
Speaker 8: this kind of process. And Corey Doctor has got this
Speaker 8: kind of sister concept of AI hype, which is in shitification,
Speaker 8: which I think that the luistic society America, it was
Speaker 8: their their overall.
Speaker 11: Yeah, American dialect Society Dialects. Yeah, picked it as the
Speaker 11: overall word of theyear for twenty twenty three. But in
Speaker 11: shientification is something very specific, right, It's not just like
Speaker 11: we've now we're now swimming in ai extruded junk, right
Speaker 11: ais always it's something more. The companies create a platform
Speaker 11: that you sort of get lured in because initially it's
Speaker 11: really useful. So this is like you think about how
Speaker 11: Amazon was great for finding products. Sucked for your local
Speaker 11: brick and mortar businesses, but as a consumer it was
Speaker 11: super convenient because you could find things. But then the
Speaker 11: companies basically turn around and they extract all of the
Speaker 11: value that the customer is getting out of it, and
Speaker 11: then they turn around to the other parties there the
Speaker 11: people trying to sell things, and they extract value out
Speaker 11: of them. So you start off with this thing that's
Speaker 11: initially quite useful and usable, and then it getsified in
Speaker 11: the name of making profits for the platform. And that's
Speaker 11: like the specific thing about in certification.
Speaker 8: And I would say there's some kinds of processes you
Speaker 8: can think about in sentification. The kind of idea that
Speaker 8: you have to rush to a certain kind of market
Speaker 8: that you have a monopoly on this kind of thing,
Speaker 8: and I guess yeah. I mean, the thing about large
Speaker 8: language models I think that we get on and talk
Speaker 8: a lot about is that large language models are kind
Speaker 8: of born shitty with content. So it's not like the
Speaker 8: platform started and that platform monopoly led to this kind
Speaker 8: of process of incertification. It's more like you decided to
Speaker 8: make a tool that is a really good word prediction machine,
Speaker 8: and you use it for a substitute for places in
Speaker 8: which people are meant to be speaking kind of with
Speaker 8: their own tone, with their own voice, with their own
Speaker 8: forms and their own putting, so they're on expertise and
Speaker 8: then and so it's kind of yeah, it's it's bored
Speaker 8: and shitty, and so you know this this kind of
Speaker 8: thing I think is really helpful. It makes me think
Speaker 8: of kind of a thing I think I saw a
Speaker 8: few times on Twitter where people are like, well, if
Speaker 8: you're an expert in any of these fields and you
Speaker 8: read content by large language models, you actually know anything
Speaker 8: about this, You're going to know that it's absolute bullshit, right,
Speaker 8: you know, if you ask it to write you a short,
Speaker 8: you know, treatise on I don't know, sociological methodology, something
Speaker 8: specific that I know a little bit about. It's going
Speaker 8: to be absolute bullshit, right, but good enough to computer
Speaker 8: engineers and you know, higher ups at these companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So here's an example.
Speaker 11: The other day, I came across an article that supposedly
Speaker 11: quoted me out of this publication from India called Bihar Praba,
Speaker 11: and I'm like, I never said those words. I could
Speaker 11: see how someone might think I would, And then I
Speaker 11: searched my emails, like, no, I never corresponded with any
Speaker 11: journalist at this outfit. So I wrote them, I said,
Speaker 11: fabricated quote, Please take it down in printer retraction, which
Speaker 11: they did, and they wrote back and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 11: that actually we prompted some large language models to create
Speaker 11: that before us and posted.
Speaker 1: Yes, because it seems like you might have, and the
Speaker 1: large language models they don't like that. That's isn't that?
Speaker 1: What hallucinations are a lot of the time is just
Speaker 1: the large language model making up stuff it seems like
Speaker 1: is what the person wants them to say exactly.
Speaker 14: But here's the whole thing.
Speaker 11: Every single thing output from a large language model has
Speaker 11: that property issues. Sometimes it seems to make sense.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is trying to do a trick of
Speaker 1: like predict, I figured out what you wanted me to say,
Speaker 1: ha ha, But it's like, well, but what I wanted
Speaker 1: you to say is not always That's not how I
Speaker 1: want my questions answered that that's actually a wildly flawed
Speaker 1: way of coming up like answering people. It's definitely something
Speaker 1: that I do in my day to day life because
Speaker 1: I'm scared of conflict and a people pleaser. But that's
Speaker 1: not I'm not a good scientific instrument for that reason,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, but.
Speaker 8: You just got you just an avoidant attachment style, which
Speaker 8: as a as another avoidance.
Speaker 1: They've just made me a scientific model that's terrible, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't believe this.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if you saw that
Speaker 3: headline where Tyler Perry was like I was going to
Speaker 3: open an eight hundred million dollar studio, but I stopped
Speaker 3: the second I saw what Sora, this video generator AI
Speaker 3: could do, and I realized we're in trouble. He said, quote,
Speaker 3: I had no idea until I saw recently the demonstrations
Speaker 3: of what it's able to do. It's shocking to me.
Speaker 3: And he's basically saying he's like, you could make up
Speaker 3: a pilot and save millions of dollars. This is going
Speaker 3: to have all kinds of ramifications. That feels like quite,
Speaker 3: that feels like half like just ignorance because this person's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, look like total wow factor but also
Speaker 3: maybe hype. But I'm also curious from your perspective, what
Speaker 3: what are the actual dangers that we're facing that you know,
Speaker 3: because right now I think everything is just all about
Speaker 3: these are the jobs it's going to take. I think
Speaker 3: in the l ll M episode where the LM predicted
Speaker 3: what that what the potential of llms were and the
Speaker 3: jobs that it could take in.
Speaker 12: A very o GPT's paper was.
Speaker 3: So yeah, where it's like, huh, you know, like just
Speaker 3: sort of the unethical nature of how even these companies
Speaker 3: are doing research and creating data to support this.
Speaker 1: Can we just stoples, Can you just stop and explain
Speaker 1: exactly with the methodology of that paper one nose? I will.
Speaker 3: I will allow the experts to do it, because it's
Speaker 3: it's it's absolutely bonkers to hear because any person who's
Speaker 3: like been at any like tried to look at a
Speaker 3: study or something, and you look at methodology like om.
Speaker 11: So, methodology is a very kind term for what was
Speaker 11: truly truly, So Alex, did you want to summarize real quick?
Speaker 11: What was in There was two different things we were
Speaker 11: looking at. It was something that came out of Open
Speaker 11: AI and something from Goldman Sacks. And the Golden Sacks
Speaker 11: one was silly, but not as silly as the Open
Speaker 11: Eye one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean getting in the detail. And I went
Speaker 8: through this and I puzzle this paper, I like poked
Speaker 8: my friend. As a labor sociologist, I'm like, what the
Speaker 8: hell is going on here? And you know, okay, so
Speaker 8: there's this kind of metric that you can use to
Speaker 8: judge how hard a task is that the government collects,
Speaker 8: and there's this kind of job classification. They rd him
Speaker 8: from you know, one to seven effectively. And so what
Speaker 8: Goldman Sachs said was well, basically, any from one to
Speaker 8: four probably a machine can do. And you're like, okay,
Speaker 8: that's kind of silly. That's huge assumptions there. I understand though,
Speaker 8: as a researcher you have to make some assumptions when
Speaker 8: you don't have great data. But what Opening Eye did
Speaker 8: is that they asked two entities what like how well
Speaker 8: like what could be automated? They asked one other Open
Speaker 8: AI employees, Hey, what jobs do you think could be automated?
Speaker 8: Already hilarious because you know they're they're you know, pretty
Speaker 8: doing those jobs. Yeah, they're not doing those oubs. They're
Speaker 8: pretty primed to think that their technology is great. And
Speaker 8: then they asked GPT for itself. They prompted and say, hey,
Speaker 8: can we automate these jobs?
Speaker 1: So you know, and so you'll never guess what the
Speaker 1: answer was. You'll never guess.
Speaker 8: You'll never guess.
Speaker 11: They took the output of that as if it were data. Yeah,
Speaker 11: and then like you know, these ridiculous graphs and blah
Speaker 11: blah blah.
Speaker 3: It's just like the whole thing is is is fantasy, right,
Speaker 3: so is the danger You're they're just sort of this reliance,
Speaker 3: Like I guess, so if we're classifying the sort of
Speaker 3: threats to our sense of like how information is distributed
Speaker 3: or what is real or what is hype or whatever,
Speaker 3: or if they're actually taking jobs, what is something that
Speaker 3: I think people that people actually need to be aware
Speaker 3: of or to sort of prepare themselves for how this
Speaker 3: is going to disrupt things in a way that you know,
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily the end of the world, but definitely changing
Speaker 3: things for the worst.
Speaker 11: There's a whole bunch of things, and the one that
Speaker 11: I'm sort of most going on about these days is
Speaker 11: the threats to the information ecosystem, so I want to
Speaker 11: talk about that. But there's also things like automated decision
Speaker 11: systems being used by governments to decide who gets social
Speaker 11: benefits and who gets them yanked right, things like doctor
Speaker 11: joybul and WHINNI worked with a group of people in
Speaker 11: I want to say, in New York City who were
Speaker 11: pushing back against having a face recognition system installed as
Speaker 11: their like entry system. So they were going to be
Speaker 11: continuously surveilled because the company who owned the house that
Speaker 11: they lived in or maybe it was a sure if.
Speaker 8: It was apartment complex, yeah.
Speaker 11: Wanted to basically use biometrics as a way to have
Speaker 11: them gain entry to their own homes where they lived.
Speaker 11: So there's there's dangerous of lots of lots of different kinds.
Speaker 11: The one that's maybe closest to we've been talking about, though,
Speaker 11: is these dangerous to the information ecosystem where you now
Speaker 11: have the synthetic media, like that news article I was
Speaker 11: talking about before being posted as if it were real,
Speaker 11: without any watermarks, without anything that either a person can
Speaker 11: look at and say, I know that's fake, Like I
Speaker 11: knew because it was my name and I knew I
Speaker 11: didn't say that thing right, but somebody else wouldn't have.
Speaker 11: And there's also not a machine readable watermarking in there,
Speaker 11: so you can just filter it out. And this stuff
Speaker 11: goes and goes. So there was, oh a few months ago,
Speaker 11: someone posted a fake mushroom foraging guide that they had
Speaker 11: created using a large language model to Amazon as a
Speaker 11: self published book, so then it's just up there as
Speaker 11: a book. And coming back around to Sora, those videos
Speaker 11: like they look impressive at first glance, but then just
Speaker 11: like e was saying about the art having this sort
Speaker 11: of facile style to it, there's similar things going on
Speaker 11: in the videos, but still like it should be watermarked,
Speaker 11: it should be obvious that you're looking at something fake.
Speaker 11: And what open ai has done is they've put this tiny,
Speaker 11: little faint thing down the lower right hand corner that
Speaker 11: looks like some sort of readout from a sensor going
Speaker 11: up and down, and then it swirls into the open
Speaker 11: ai logo and it's faint and it's in the same
Speaker 11: spot that Twitter puts the button for turning the sound
Speaker 11: on and off.
Speaker 12: So it's hidden by that.
Speaker 11: If you're seeing those things on Twitter, and it's completely opaque, right,
Speaker 11: if you are not in the note, if you don't
Speaker 11: know what open ai is, if you don't know that
Speaker 11: fake videos might exist, that doesn't tell you anything, right.
Speaker 14: So these are the things I'm worried about, And the.
Speaker 8: Things I'm really worried about is, you know, these things
Speaker 8: doing a pretty terrible job at producing written content and
Speaker 8: videos and images. And so it's not that they could
Speaker 8: replace a human person, but it just takes a boss
Speaker 8: or a vik he to think that it's good enough, right,
Speaker 8: and then this replaces whole classes of occupation. So again,
Speaker 8: talking to Carla Ortiz, who's a concept artist. She's done
Speaker 8: work for Marvel and and DC, had huge studios and
Speaker 8: magic togathering and you know, and she's basically saying, after
Speaker 8: mid journey stability, AI produces this incredibly crappy content. Jobs
Speaker 8: for concept artists have really dried up. They've gone and
Speaker 8: it's really hard. And I mean, especially for folks who
Speaker 8: are just breaking into the industry. You might just be
Speaker 8: trying to get their their you know, their work out
Speaker 8: there for entry level jobs. They can't find anything right now,
Speaker 8: and so imagine what that's going to replace, what that's
Speaker 8: going to encroach on, right, I mean that's kind of
Speaker 8: unique thing about kind of creative fields and coding fields
Speaker 8: and and and whatnot. And then I would say this, yeah,
Speaker 8: this this automated decision making kind of in government and hiring.
Speaker 8: I mean, they'll those are you know, definitely you know, terrifying, right,
Speaker 8: And I mean this is already being deployed. I mean
Speaker 8: at the US Mexico border, there's kind of massive. The
Speaker 8: Markup actually just put out this interview with David Moss
Speaker 8: who's at the Electronic Freedom Foundation, no either the Electronic
Speaker 8: Freedom Refression. I think he's at the ACLU. I have
Speaker 8: to look this up, but it's about basically a survey
Speaker 8: of like surveillance technology that's not the southern border, and
Speaker 8: Dave Moss is at EFF. The Markdown put just put
Speaker 8: a published something about with him. It was like a
Speaker 8: virtual reality tour of certains technology or something wild like that.
Speaker 9: I was gonna say.
Speaker 11: There's also things like shot Spotter, which reports to be
Speaker 11: able to detect what a gun has been fired. And
Speaker 11: this has been deployed by police departments all over the country,
Speaker 11: and there's you know, there's no transparency into how it
Speaker 11: was evaluated, how it even works, or why you should
Speaker 11: believe it works. And so what we have is a
Speaker 11: system that tells the cops that they're running into an
Speaker 11: active shooter situation, which is definitely a recipe for reducing
Speaker 11: police violence.
Speaker 3: Right right, yeah, right, our time, Microsoft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is a reason an investigation that that
Speaker 1: showed that it's always almost always used in neighborhoods.
Speaker 8: Yeah, communities, the communities of color. Yeah, the Wired, the
Speaker 8: Wired piece on that basically, Yeah, I think they said
Speaker 8: about what seventy percent of the census tracts something ridiculous
Speaker 8: like that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, Yeah, it's absurd.
Speaker 11: And then there's things like EPIC, which is a healthcare
Speaker 11: electronic health records company, is partnering with Microsoft to push
Speaker 11: the synthetic text into so many different systems, so that
Speaker 11: you're going to get like reports in your patient records
Speaker 11: that were automatically generated and then supposedly checked by a
Speaker 11: doctor who doesn't have time to check it thoroughly, right,
Speaker 11: And they're going to be doing things like, you know,
Speaker 11: randomly putting in information about BMI and when it's not
Speaker 11: even relevant or misgendering people over the place or you know,
Speaker 11: this kind of stuff is going to hurt. Yeah, And
Speaker 11: I want to add to the issue of like entry
Speaker 11: level jobs drying up for people who do, for example, illustration,
Speaker 11: doctor Joyble and Winni points out that we're getting what's
Speaker 11: called an apprentice gap, where those positions where the easy
Speaker 11: stuff gets automated. And I don't think this is just
Speaker 11: in creative fields, but the positions where you're doing the
Speaker 11: easy stuff and you're learning how to master it and
Speaker 11: you are working alongside someone who's doing the harder stuff,
Speaker 11: if that gets replaced by automation, then it becomes harder
Speaker 11: to train the people to do the stuff that requires expertise.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And it's easier to do in creative fields
Speaker 1: because there's such a just inability for executives to you know,
Speaker 1: like they don't know it. They've never known anything about
Speaker 1: like what what is quality creative work? So I feel
Speaker 1: like it's much easier for them to just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get rid of that and we'll, yeah, like the way
Speaker 1: that we'll find out about that that isn't working is
Speaker 1: the quality of the creative output will be far worse.
Speaker 8: Right, I mean, what I mean, all those folks really
Speaker 8: tend to care about our you know, content and engagement metrics.
Speaker 8: You know, you can't actually have something that's kind of
Speaker 8: known for quality or or creativity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 8: It does remind me a little bit about kind of
Speaker 8: you know, the first rebels against automation, the Luodites, and
Speaker 8: you know, the kind of the kind of way in
Speaker 8: which they did have this apprentice guilt system in which
Speaker 8: they trained for you know, a decade or so before
Speaker 8: they could you know, perhaps go ahead and open their
Speaker 8: own shop in a way that you know, those folks
Speaker 8: were replaced by these these water frames that were they
Speaker 8: called water frames because they were produced by hydraulic power.
Speaker 8: But then uh, you know, effectively powered by unskilled people
Speaker 8: and by unskilled usually children doing incredibly dangerous work. But yeah,
Speaker 8: folks that have been training for this, the apprentices were
Speaker 8: incredibly steeming mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we made their name a synonym for
Speaker 1: like hater, Yeah, decater.
Speaker 8: There's been some nice efforts to reclaim them by Brian
Speaker 8: Merchant and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally so. Just in the comparison to crypto, it
Speaker 1: feels like the adoption here, the hype cycle here is
Speaker 1: more widespread than crypto like with Crypto, there was that
Speaker 1: moment where we saw the person behind the curtain who
Speaker 1: was you know, the people that there was the fall
Speaker 1: of Crypto with With AI, I don't feel like there
Speaker 1: is any incentive for anyone to any of the stakeholders.
Speaker 1: I guess I got it involved to yeah, to just
Speaker 1: come out and be like, yeah, it was bullshit. You know,
Speaker 1: there's just so much buy in across the board where
Speaker 1: I guess we've already talked about where you see this going.
Speaker 1: But is there Do you think there's any hope for
Speaker 1: this getting kind of found out, the truth catching on,
Speaker 1: or do you think it's just going to have to
Speaker 1: be a hundred years from now when somebody changes their
Speaker 1: mind about AI haters and it's like, actually they were
Speaker 1: onto something the way we are about ledites.
Speaker 11: We're still trying. That's what we're up to with the
Speaker 11: podcast right a lot of our other public scholarship. There
Speaker 11: was an interesting moment last week when chat gpt sort
Speaker 11: of glitched and was outputting sense. Yes, I mean it's
Speaker 11: actually Spanglish or people just calling it because it has
Speaker 11: some Spanish in it.
Speaker 8: It had some it wasn't all I mean, it was
Speaker 8: doing some spangless stuff with this stuff is just even
Speaker 8: more inscrutable than usual. It was just completely nonsense.
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, And that the sort of open Aye statement
Speaker 11: about what went wrong basically described it for what it is.
Speaker 11: They had to like say something other than what they
Speaker 11: usually say. And then there was a whole thing with
Speaker 11: Google's image generator, which you know, so the baseline thing
Speaker 11: is super duper biased and like makes everybody look like
Speaker 11: white people. And there's this wonderful thread on media and
Speaker 11: here I'm doing the thing where I can't think of
Speaker 11: a person's name, but it's a wonderful post on medium
Speaker 11: where someone goes through this thread of pictures that I
Speaker 11: think we're initially on Reddit, where someone asked one of
Speaker 11: these generators to create warriors from different cultures taking a
Speaker 11: selfie and they're all doing the American selfie smile. And
Speaker 11: so does this really uncanny valley thing going on there
Speaker 11: where these people from all these different cultures are posing
Speaker 11: the way Americans pose so huge bias in these things. Underlyingly,
Speaker 11: Google has some kind of a patch that basically whatever
Speaker 11: prompt you put in, they add some additional prompting to
Speaker 11: make the people look diverse. And then last week or so,
Speaker 11: someone figured out that if you asked it to show
Speaker 11: you a painting of Nazi soldiers, they're not all white
Speaker 11: because of this patch, right right. So yeah, So Google's
Speaker 11: backpedaling of that I think was ridiculous. There was some
Speaker 11: statement in there about how they certainly don't intend for
Speaker 11: their system to put out historically inaccurate images. I'm like,
Speaker 11: what the hell, it's a fake image, Like there's no
Speaker 11: accuracy there, no matter what, right, Right, These mishaps maybe
Speaker 11: sort of pulled back the curtain for a broader group
Speaker 11: of people.
Speaker 6: There's some true.
Speaker 11: Believers out there who are not going to be reached, sure,
Speaker 11: but I think it may have helped for some slice
Speaker 11: of society.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know some people who are like, how do
Speaker 3: we know that Reinhard Heydrich didn't have dreadlocks?
Speaker 2: Clear?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: But okay, sure, go off.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I mean I think it's this is such an
Speaker 8: interesting question, right is like where does when is the
Speaker 8: AI bubble going to pop?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 8: And I mean in some ways it feels like, you know,
Speaker 8: we're where I mean, as much as we can do,
Speaker 8: we're kind of prodding it, right, you know and seeing
Speaker 8: you know, And one thing that I handedly said one
Speaker 8: one time, and Emily loves is really cule as practice.
Speaker 8: So you know, one thing, you know, and I will
Speaker 8: in a turn of one of Emily's great quotes is
Speaker 8: you know, oh gosh, I'm want to mess it up
Speaker 8: right now. It's I and I it's it's the refuse
Speaker 8: to be impressed. Oh yeah, resist the urge to resist,
Speaker 8: resist the year to be impressed. It's much it's much
Speaker 8: better when when when she says it, and it's and
Speaker 8: it's and it's kind of the idea of like some
Speaker 8: of it is a bit of the sheene right, But
Speaker 8: it feels like at some point, you know, if if
Speaker 8: in the kind of operations of these things, you know enough,
Speaker 8: there'll be enough buy in, especially with automation, that's hard
Speaker 8: to reverse a lot of the automation without just a
Speaker 8: huge fight. And so I mean, I think something that
Speaker 8: helps our you know, worker led efforts, you know. And
Speaker 8: one of the most awesome things that we've seen this
Speaker 8: is something a scholar Blair A tear Frost calls AI
Speaker 8: counter governance. She calls uh in one example she is
Speaker 8: is the w GA strike and how folks struck for
Speaker 8: one hundred and forty eight days and after strike, they
Speaker 8: not only got a bunch of new kinds of guarantees
Speaker 8: for minimum pay when it came to streaming and the
Speaker 8: residuals they get for it, they also, you know, have
Speaker 8: to basically be informed if any AI is being used
Speaker 8: in the writer's room. They can't they can't be forced
Speaker 8: to edit or re edit or rewrite AI generated content.
Speaker 8: They have to be Everything has to be basically above board.
Speaker 8: I mean, isn't as far as you could have gone
Speaker 8: and banned it out right right, but if there's any
Speaker 8: use of it, it has to be disclosed and you
Speaker 8: can't bring in these tools to hold you know, whole
Speaker 8: plot to place.
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