Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast, presented by the Chargers
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Speaker 2: Is always in joining me as my guy Tyler. Tyler,
Speaker 2: what's something. How I doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good. We've got mock draft to do today.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mock draft today. As of recording this, we are
Speaker 2: one week away from the start of the legal tampering period.
Speaker 2: When this comes out, it will be one week from
Speaker 2: the first day of free agency. So you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of exciting times today. Last week we highlighted free agency.
Speaker 2: This week we decided to do a bit of a
Speaker 2: combine recap and we'll have, like Tyler mentioned, a quick
Speaker 2: five round mock draft as well that we're really excited about.
Speaker 2: So before we get started on today's show, Tyler and
Speaker 2: I are are fans of the show, are fans of
Speaker 2: the team. Excuse me, we are fans of the show,
Speaker 2: but we are fans of the team just like you
Speaker 2: guys are. The opinions that we express on the show
Speaker 2: are not reflective of the Chargers organization themselves. At the
Speaker 2: end of the day, we are content creators and fans
Speaker 2: of the team, just like you guys. So we're very
Speaker 2: grateful for this platform and hope you guys enjoy the
Speaker 2: show today. That being said, we do have some things
Speaker 2: from the combine that we want to touch on. So
Speaker 2: there's a very relevant news regarding the quarterback class, or
Speaker 2: maybe not news, maybe buzz is more and more apt there.
Speaker 2: And then we wanted to touch on some risers and
Speaker 2: followers from the combine. I watched most of the weekend.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to watch the stuff while I was
Speaker 2: at work, but I watched stuff on Saturday Sunday. I
Speaker 2: had a great time doing that. So first and foremost
Speaker 2: is the quarterback buzz. It's very relevant for the Chargers
Speaker 2: who are in a fantastic spot at number five with
Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback. Hopefully you guys listen to all the
Speaker 2: great stuff that Chris Harry and Matt money Smith put
Speaker 2: out this week. There was a lot of trade down talk,
Speaker 2: a lot of quarterback talk, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of it is kind of centered around the JJ McCarthy stuff,
Speaker 2: Jane and Daniels, Drake, may A, Kaya Williams. It's a
Speaker 2: fantastic quarterback class. Lots of teams need a quarterback. You know,
Speaker 2: there was a Rich eisenclip today saying that he heard
Speaker 2: of the combine that the Giants are done with Daniel Jones,
Speaker 2: that they have buyer's remorse, they're ready for the next stage.
Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos released Russell Wilson today. There was news
Speaker 2: that the Las Vegas Raiders are inquiring about trading up,
Speaker 2: So the Chargers are in a fantastic spot to potentially
Speaker 2: trade down here. Tyler and I guess we've talked a
Speaker 2: little bit about, you know, the potential here for trading down,
Speaker 2: but we haven't talked about a scenario where Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: Junior is sitting on the board at number five. And
Speaker 2: that's a possibility as well. Diana Risini hinting this weekend
Speaker 2: that quarterbacks could go one through four in this draft class.
Speaker 2: But you leave Marvin Harrison Junior there on the board
Speaker 2: for the taking for the Chargers. If that scenario unfolds,
Speaker 2: how much are you what's your consideration or how fast
Speaker 2: are you making that decision at five?
Speaker 1: And who would let's say.
Speaker 2: Hypothetically speaking, how fast are you running to the podium
Speaker 2: for Marvin Harrison Junior is what I'm asking here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll sprint to Detroit myself. I'll do some backhandspings
Speaker 3: the whole way there.
Speaker 4: You saw some handstands and carwheels before I'll throw in
Speaker 4: a front tuck, you know, a back tuck, whatever is needed.
Speaker 4: If that pick goes in, if he's there, that is
Speaker 4: the selection, And that would be the most unifying thing since, oh,
Speaker 4: just a month ago when.
Speaker 3: The Chargers hired Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 4: I just think it would be the perfect storm of
Speaker 4: things happening, and sometimes the Chargers could use a little
Speaker 4: bit of luck. I do not buy that it's going
Speaker 4: to happen. I genuinely believe that three quarterbacks will go
Speaker 4: not for but it does feel like there is a chance,
Speaker 4: and a chance is all we need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, there's a chance.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's a lot of discussion right
Speaker 2: now happening. I think a lot of us kind of
Speaker 2: coming to the table. Like we watched week A, Ted,
Speaker 2: we watched the Cardinals lose that game, and we just
Speaker 2: kind of penciled off Marvin Harrison engineer is not going
Speaker 2: to be a Charger, and now that there's a chance
Speaker 2: that he could be a Charger, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are kind of coming to realize, like, hey,
Speaker 2: like maybe we should go watch this guy again. It's
Speaker 2: been very centered around Thelak Neighbors and Roma Donsley, who
Speaker 2: are fantastic prospects. But to me, like Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2: Is the best player in this draft class. And I
Speaker 2: think I can understand why there's love for Leake Neighbors
Speaker 2: out there, love for Roman Donza, But Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 1: Is the best wide receiver prospect I have studied.
Speaker 2: So if the Chargers were able to land him, if
Speaker 2: the scenario happens where the quarterbacks go one through four,
Speaker 2: I would be so thrilled to land Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 2: with the with the Chargers, with Justin Herbert. The only
Speaker 2: problem is that he cannot wear number eighteen. He would
Speaker 2: have to choose a different number. That's the only negative
Speaker 2: here for me to look at. Maybe he could go
Speaker 2: where number eighty eight like his dadd But to me,
Speaker 2: he's he's the best prospect in the class. He's the
Speaker 2: best wide receiver I've ever studied. I'm sprinting to that
Speaker 2: podium as soon as humanly possible if Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 2: Is at number five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to have the shot at a player
Speaker 4: who's considered one of the best players, and some people
Speaker 4: have him as the best player in the entire draft
Speaker 4: with guys like Neighbors and o'doonsey and Caleb Williams and
Speaker 4: Joe Alt and some of these guys, the defensive players
Speaker 4: to be considered the best guy in the class.
Speaker 3: With all those guys.
Speaker 4: And just the idea the Chargers are so close to
Speaker 4: be able to get him, it's really exciting.
Speaker 3: That fourth pick is going to be the longest ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Of my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's the next thing is, you know,
Speaker 2: how much do you buy the Colt not the Colts.
Speaker 2: The Cardinals potentially trading out of that pick, because I
Speaker 2: tend to agree that quarterbacks are likely to go one
Speaker 2: through three in the order, is kind of TVD. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of love for Drake May, there's love for
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels. There's some people have JJ McCarthy as QB three,
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels QB four. I buy QB is going one
Speaker 2: through three. But I'm still a little skeptical about the
Speaker 2: Cardinals trading out of a chance of landing Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2: That being said, they could have taken will Anderson last year,
Speaker 2: they didn't. They traded out of that pick. It's not
Speaker 2: completely impossible, although Marvin Harrison Junior is a much better
Speaker 2: prospect to me than when Will Anderson was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Cardinals are not a player away.
Speaker 3: You're not picking this early. And also you're a player away.
Speaker 4: So I think they could definitely see and then the
Speaker 4: Chargers may see as well that trading back is the
Speaker 4: best option for them. The kind of bummers like who
Speaker 4: are you trading out for? Or who else would you take?
Speaker 4: Maybe at four if you stuck there, And unfortunately they
Speaker 4: don't need a tackle right they took one last year.
Speaker 4: DJ Humphries is their other starter. He's making a ton
Speaker 4: of money. They don't need a brock Bower. I mean
Speaker 4: they could use a brock Bowers. Everybody could use a
Speaker 4: rock Bowers. But Traymer McBride's going to take that next
Speaker 4: step and be their tight end one. So it's not Bowers.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a defensive player. So unfortunately kind
Speaker 4: of is wide receiver if they stick and so they'd
Speaker 4: have to like Molik neighbors of room with Dunese more
Speaker 4: or they want to trade back for a defensive player.
Speaker 4: So it's tough if because if they needed to tackle
Speaker 4: or if they really needed a tight end, I think
Speaker 4: it's a much more likely situation. But because they don't
Speaker 4: need those two, and it might be it might genuinely
Speaker 4: be like Bowers and alt as the next two best
Speaker 4: players in the draft.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if they're gonna trade
Speaker 3: out of that pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have like eleven picks already. It's not
Speaker 2: like they need more picks. I mean, you know, like
Speaker 2: you said, they're not a player away. They if you
Speaker 2: if they don't see any difference between Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 2: and wide receiver three or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 2: then yeah, Like I guess I could see them trading down.
Speaker 2: But to me, it's like you're you're in that position,
Speaker 2: like you're you're trying to maximize Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: I think you take Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: It's the same argument for me, like if Marvin and
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is on the board, I'm taking that player
Speaker 2: because you're trying to maximize Justin Herbert. You're trying to
Speaker 2: get that that kind of level of talent on the board.
Speaker 2: So we'll see man. But it's it's it's very exciting
Speaker 2: to to hear this kind of quarterback buzz. I love
Speaker 2: all of the rumors. I love all of the j. J.
Speaker 2: McCarthy stuff, like, give me all of it. We we
Speaker 2: kind of made fun of Jim Harbaugh, like I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie. We made fun of him for that JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy quote the day after he got hired. Turns out
Speaker 2: the league feels the same way. They love this guy,
Speaker 2: so I'm excited. I think it's great news for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: They either land Marvin Harrison Junior or they can trade back,
Speaker 2: and I think that's where I'm at with pick number
Speaker 2: five right now. If Marvin Harrison Junior is gone, you
Speaker 2: trade back. If he's there, you take him. And that's
Speaker 2: Those are the two scenarios for me that are working
Speaker 2: inside my brain at this current moment.
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, we'll see what happens to me. Dour mock drops, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Let's touch on some combine risers here quickly, Tyler, if
Speaker 2: you had to pick one guy who like maybe moved
Speaker 2: up your board the most this week or helped their
Speaker 2: case the most, or was like, hey, like I gotta
Speaker 2: go back and rewatch this guy, who is that player
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 4: It's a player who put his name on my radar.
Speaker 4: And that was THEO Johnson, the tight end for Penn State.
Speaker 4: Because all the discussion about this tight end classes, it's
Speaker 4: not a very good class.
Speaker 3: It is not last year's class. It has not even
Speaker 3: closed the last year's class.
Speaker 4: It's it genuinely seems like Brock Bowers and everybody else.
Speaker 4: THEO Johnson said, hold on for one moment. Now Bowers
Speaker 4: is tight end one like that is very much clearly
Speaker 4: still going to be the case. But you're looking for
Speaker 4: other guys in round two, round three, round four who
Speaker 4: can jump up and be that tight end you can develop.
Speaker 4: And THEO Johnson, how many times have we seen a
Speaker 4: tight end test well? But they're really just a receiver
Speaker 4: that's really big and they tests really well, but they're
Speaker 4: not actually a great prospect and they definitely cannot block.
Speaker 3: So I expected to go into this and watch the tight.
Speaker 4: End from Old Dominion last year where you think, okay,
Speaker 4: the ris is great, you should draft this player, but
Speaker 4: you watch the film and it's not a perfectly well
Speaker 4: rounded player. THEO Johnson man, he is an actual true
Speaker 4: tight end he can be an inline blocking tight end.
Speaker 4: Don't think he's just a sit there only blocking tight
Speaker 4: end by any means. But the way they used him,
Speaker 4: the way they creatively moved him, how he could block
Speaker 4: in space at the line was fantastic. And then on
Speaker 4: top of that, he's a guy that has the RAS profile.
Speaker 4: So to me, he just stuck right on my raidar,
Speaker 4: Like who is Theo Johnson? Had to watch him, and
Speaker 4: the good news is it wasn't just that the RAS
Speaker 4: was good, It was also that he's very good on
Speaker 4: film too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tight ends tested on Friday, and so Saturday
Speaker 2: morning I woke up and I was watching all the
Speaker 2: tight ends that I possibly could. THEO Johnson definitely stands
Speaker 2: out as an inline tight end type. He, you know,
Speaker 2: like AJ Barner from Michigan is definitely a better blocker
Speaker 2: than him. I think he's probably the best in line
Speaker 2: blocking tight end in this class. But he's he's not
Speaker 2: much of a receiver and he's not much of a
Speaker 2: of an athlete. Like to me, you're trying at the
Speaker 2: tight end position. If you're not taking Brock powers, you're
Speaker 2: trying to get somebody who has shown flashes of a
Speaker 2: blocker flashes of a receiver and tests very well. That's
Speaker 2: the key here, arguably more than any other position. You're
Speaker 2: trying to bet on traits at tight end because it
Speaker 2: is a slow developing position usually unless you're a member
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty three draft class. Otherwise you're just
Speaker 2: amazing immediately, but generally speaking, like that's what you're trying
Speaker 2: to do. And so Theo Johnson to me, if the
Speaker 2: Chargers don't take Brock Powers, Theo's the guy that you're
Speaker 2: trying to look out for. For me, I think he
Speaker 2: has the frame, the athleticism, the flashes of a receiver.
Speaker 2: He had a route against Illinois. I want to say
Speaker 2: it was like a kind of a post whip route
Speaker 2: and it was a fantastic route. He's shown good contested
Speaker 2: catchability yards after catch ability as well. Like he's the one,
Speaker 2: and I think of any player of this draft cycle,
Speaker 2: I think he's potentially helped himself to most because he
Speaker 2: was the best tight end of the Senior Bowl. He
Speaker 2: tested like a freak at the Commine.
Speaker 1: So he's the tight end that I think the Chargers
Speaker 1: should be targeting. Outside of Rock Powers.
Speaker 3: I would agree, do you have him as tight end? Two.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I have ja David Sanders as tight end too. I
Speaker 2: think he does in terms of like a modern move
Speaker 2: tight end.
Speaker 1: I think he fits that projection very well.
Speaker 2: He's got great body control, fantastic yards after catchability. He's
Speaker 2: more of a ready made White like receiving option at
Speaker 2: tight end. I just I don't love the blocking. I
Speaker 2: think that's that's the thing that I would question the
Speaker 2: fit with the Chargers specifically, So that that's my thing
Speaker 2: is I have Sanders great at higher but THEO I
Speaker 2: think fits more of like the profile that.
Speaker 1: The Chargers could be looking for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, all right for you? Who is
Speaker 3: you are the biggest riser of the combine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a guy. I loved his tape. I thought, like,
Speaker 2: instantly watching him, this is a Jim Harbott kind of
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I thought he was a good athlete, but
Speaker 2: he tested like an awesome athlete. And that's Ricky Ricky
Speaker 2: Piersoll from Florida. You know, he played Utah twice. I
Speaker 2: loved what he did against the Utah So I've watched
Speaker 2: his game tapes and went back and watched his actual
Speaker 2: college tape, and I just I loved the toughness over
Speaker 2: the middle. I loved the contested catchability. The precision that
Speaker 2: he runs his routes is fantastic. And I was thinking, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: like this is a guy who's maybe like you know,
Speaker 2: end of the third round type of wide receiver. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's a pretty above average athlete. And then he was
Speaker 2: one of the most athletic testers at the combine, jumped
Speaker 2: over forty inches in the word, ran a sub four four,
Speaker 2: and just did a fantastic job at the combine and
Speaker 2: showedcased his athletic ability at a higher level than I thought.
Speaker 2: So for me, he's he's somebody that when like I thought,
Speaker 2: I was high on him in terms of like a
Speaker 2: top one hundred player, and I think now he's probably
Speaker 2: worked himself into the top seventy five, top sixty, maybe
Speaker 2: similar to THEO like he was. He was great at
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, he was great at the Combine. He's
Speaker 2: just checking these boxes. Man.
Speaker 1: I think he would be a fantastic fit for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Again, if they don't take wide receiver in the first round,
Speaker 2: he's somebody, you know, if in a trade down senior,
Speaker 2: if they have a second second round pick, or a
Speaker 2: second third round pick. He's somebody I could see them
Speaker 2: making a lot of sense for the charters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the theme of the best testers at
Speaker 4: the combine are the guys that I didn't watch.
Speaker 3: I guess that was the whole thing.
Speaker 4: You were really good. I didn't watch you. Peer Saw
Speaker 4: is not someone I've gotten to yet. Watched fifteen receivers.
Speaker 4: Didn't get to him. That's how good This wide receiver
Speaker 4: class is such a good class, and I think there
Speaker 4: was so much movement for wide receivers overall.
Speaker 3: Pierceall's a the guy out that'll duck have to go watch.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: Shout out to the two Xavier Xavier Worthy and Xavier
Speaker 4: Loguete as well the receivers. One from Texas, one from
Speaker 4: South Carolina.
Speaker 3: I'm Worthy. I think you're a winner.
Speaker 4: If you're the fastest forty in NFL history at the Combine,
Speaker 4: I think that makes you a winner and potentially helps
Speaker 4: you into the first round.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 4: You know, people might like add An I Mitchell his
Speaker 4: teammate better. I mean, then Xavier to get someone that
Speaker 4: I do really like. He's currently my wide receiver six
Speaker 4: and is flirting with wide receiver five. I just love
Speaker 4: everything about him statistically he checks out too, and then
Speaker 4: he goes he six runs of four to three nine,
Speaker 4: Like just all the good things there. So those two
Speaker 4: guys and Pierce All's well guys that I think I
Speaker 4: don't know if they're Round one guys just yet, but
Speaker 4: they've now pushed themselves to the front of the line
Speaker 4: in the second round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's totally fair, and I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of an argument for the Chargers potentially not taking
Speaker 2: a wide receiver again if Marvin Ersen Junior is not
Speaker 2: on the board. You know, there's twenty guys in this
Speaker 2: class that are like, man, I could really love this
Speaker 2: fit here.
Speaker 1: So it's it's really hard for me.
Speaker 2: Like the combine, I think if you're moving players up
Speaker 2: and down the board after the combine, I think you're
Speaker 2: making a mistake unless it was like a disaster or
Speaker 2: like amazing testing and you didn't do you didn't expect that.
Speaker 2: But even after the combine, I'm like struggling to break
Speaker 2: some of these ties at wide receiver in particular because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stylistical differences, and then like the
Speaker 2: testing guys like did so well, and then there's like
Speaker 2: film guys that I really like. So wide receiver is
Speaker 2: a tough position to really like pick your poison here
Speaker 2: because there's just so many different kinds of flavors.
Speaker 4: This year, Yeah, I feel like maybe his last year
Speaker 4: the year before. Once you get to round two or three,
Speaker 4: a lot of really good guys, but they're basically smaller,
Speaker 4: kind of undersized, maybe slot specific guys.
Speaker 3: This year.
Speaker 4: You want a guy who's six ' eight, he's there.
Speaker 4: You want a smaller guy who's twitchy, he's there.
Speaker 3: You want a guy who.
Speaker 4: Just you can throw it down the field to and
Speaker 4: he runs a four to three or four to two.
Speaker 4: There's eighteen of those guys. I mean, whatever you need
Speaker 4: in this draft, they're all there. It's it's an incredible class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hundred percent.
Speaker 2: A class that I think has become perpetually underrated at
Speaker 2: this point in time is the cornerback class. And that's
Speaker 2: where I'm going to go next. With Rutgers cornerback Max Melton,
Speaker 2: I saw a good athlete. I saw somebody who was
Speaker 2: able to go toe to toe with Marvin Harrison junior,
Speaker 2: with Roman Wilson in terms of athleticism, in terms of speed,
Speaker 2: in terms of tracking, the football in terms of positioning somebody.
Speaker 2: I like his mentality a lot, and then he went
Speaker 2: and ran a four to three nine this week at
Speaker 2: the combine.
Speaker 1: I think his I.
Speaker 2: Was maybe a little concerned about his frame, you know,
Speaker 2: moving him into the slot, but he has above average
Speaker 2: arm length over thirty two inches there, and then he's
Speaker 2: five eleven, so he's not necessarily a giant corner. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of those in this class. There's Cam
Speaker 2: Hart sixty three and Kybrie Jackson sixty three who we like.
Speaker 1: But I was a little concern that Max Melton was
Speaker 1: maybe like a five ten or below type of corner.
Speaker 2: But he's got good size. He tested very very well
Speaker 2: in terms of the forty. He jumped over forty inches
Speaker 2: in the vert he jumped over eleven feet in the broad,
Speaker 2: so he's very explosive athlete as well. The tackling is
Speaker 2: a bit of a concern, but I think he's a
Speaker 2: willing tackler, so I think it's it's some correction that
Speaker 2: needs to happen there, but it is a correctable issue.
Speaker 2: So in this class where you have some of these
Speaker 2: kind of subpar testing testers at corner, you know, Max
Speaker 2: Melton testing great, again, somebody who did well at the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, just somebody who's checking boxes and this was
Speaker 2: the next step for him. So if you are the
Speaker 2: Chargers in this case, I think thirty seven would maybe
Speaker 2: be a little bit too rich for Max Melton. But again,
Speaker 2: if you have a late second rounder from a trade down,
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of where you're targeting him in
Speaker 2: like the fifty sixty seventy range.
Speaker 4: What did I tell you, guys, if you tested well,
Speaker 4: I didn't watch you, and I've watched seventy five players
Speaker 4: at this point, and yes I've watched them. Players that
Speaker 4: have tested well have not watched Melton either. I know
Speaker 4: for sure Alex has watched Melton and Milton shouted him out,
Speaker 4: so that.
Speaker 3: That was really cool for him.
Speaker 4: But yeah, definitely have to go watch him. There were
Speaker 4: corners in round one who tested very well, Mitchell and
Speaker 4: Wiggins obviously running at minimum very very fast and testing
Speaker 4: well and matching what was on tape. How much stock
Speaker 4: do you put into Terry on Arnold's four or five forty,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of discussion about that specific number
Speaker 4: and how some people fans I should say, went okay, well,
Speaker 4: four or five. I'd rather go with Mitchell. I'd rather
Speaker 4: go with Wiggins over someone like tyry On Arnold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're you're trying to look for a
Speaker 2: player who checks as many boxes as possible. And I
Speaker 2: think there is some legitimate concern about Terry On Arnold's
Speaker 2: lack of long speed in comparison to the other guys.
Speaker 2: But you know, Nate Wiggins is extremely light, Like I'm
Speaker 2: concerned about his frame holding up in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He got hurt at the combine, obviously, Hope everything's okay.
Speaker 2: Quinnon Mitchell is somebody who like tested great. His film
Speaker 2: is fun, but he's a subpart tackler. Like, there's no
Speaker 2: cornerback is perfect unless you're you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: like the best cornerback prospect ever, maybe a Derald Reeves
Speaker 2: type or Deon Sanders or whatever. But I think he's
Speaker 2: fast enough. I think he over compensates with his speed
Speaker 2: with his or maybe lack of speed, I should say,
Speaker 2: with his instincts, with his ball skills, with his physicality,
Speaker 2: with his mentality.
Speaker 1: I think there's enough there where I'm not concerned about
Speaker 1: the four or five.
Speaker 2: And there are other cornerbacks in the league who are
Speaker 2: great cornerbacks and also ran at four or five because
Speaker 2: they have all of those other things that they bring
Speaker 2: to the table as well. So I still have Arnold
Speaker 2: as the CV one. I didn't see anything this weekend
Speaker 2: that made me question otherwise. And then he crushed the
Speaker 2: interview circuit as well in terms of the media. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously we don't know about how he did for the
Speaker 2: team interviews, you know, behind closed doors. Based off of
Speaker 2: what I saw on TV, on on cameras, I would
Speaker 2: imagine he did very, very well in those interviews. So
Speaker 2: I think he just checks the most boxes. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: not a perfect prospect, and I can understand why some
Speaker 2: people disagree with me who call him a blue chip player,
Speaker 2: but he's CB one unquestioned. For me, I think there's
Speaker 2: a pretty significant gap between him and the rest of
Speaker 2: the corner class.
Speaker 3: I think I would agree.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch these guys one more time, that particular
Speaker 4: trio at the top, I'll watch them one more time
Speaker 4: just to make sure. Even if he is slower than
Speaker 4: the other two corners, Hey, when you're throwing the football,
Speaker 4: when the opposing team is throwing the football, maybe.
Speaker 3: You want to be faster. You do want to be faster.
Speaker 4: The other opposing team can also run the football or
Speaker 4: throw a screen or a shallow crosser and make you
Speaker 4: go tackle. And that's where Arnold is significantly better. So
Speaker 4: you know, maybe he doesn't run a four to three
Speaker 4: or he doesn't run a four to three. I don't
Speaker 4: think it hindered him as much. And it's not like
Speaker 4: the Chargers are unfamiliar or charges fan should be unfamiliar
Speaker 4: with a corner who doesn't run a four to three.
Speaker 4: I mean, Casey Hayward is the best corner the Chargers
Speaker 4: I've had in a while. I think he ran like
Speaker 4: a four to six. So different zone corner, so very different,
Speaker 4: I guess. But you don't necessarily need to be running
Speaker 4: that fast to be great. It helps with the tiebreaker,
Speaker 4: I think. But Arnold just has a little bit more
Speaker 4: ahead of those guys because he can play the run
Speaker 4: much better than those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. Was he your other winner.
Speaker 3: He was one of them.
Speaker 4: I could have mentioned him, but mostly for the interview stuff,
Speaker 4: because if you're going to just look at the testing
Speaker 4: and that's all you're taking away from there, you're not
Speaker 4: really doing the combine. Right to me, the interview is
Speaker 4: the meeting in person, the temperament, the character of those
Speaker 4: individuals that matters a lot. So guys like him, guys
Speaker 4: like Jack Powers Johnson apparently crushing the interviews that meant
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: So in a different kind of way, those are winners
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree there that those were the main ones
Speaker 2: that I wanted to highlight. Did you want to highlight
Speaker 2: anybody else?
Speaker 4: I could go for a while. I mean Florida State,
Speaker 4: it's Bradon Fisk. I liked him, second round grade on him.
Speaker 4: Not the biggest guy, but a great tester. Jalen Wright,
Speaker 4: I think one of the most underrated running backs in
Speaker 4: the class from Tennessee. First and yards per attempt, first
Speaker 4: st yards after contact per attempt, third and break breakaway rate,
Speaker 4: and he's like in the hundreds of a lot of
Speaker 4: consensus boards. And yet he goes out and runs a
Speaker 4: four to three eight. So I just think you pay
Speaker 4: attention to those guys.
Speaker 3: Who else?
Speaker 4: I think Joe Alt kind of because he tested very well.
Speaker 4: He finished testing and I think he solidified himself as
Speaker 4: maybe OT one in this class. So a lot of
Speaker 4: winners could go on. Forevery on this one, but I'll leave.
Speaker 2: It sounds good. Grenda from Louisvio the running back as well.
Speaker 2: I have not watched him, but him and Jalen Wright
Speaker 2: man like athleticism.
Speaker 1: Is very real there.
Speaker 2: In terms of the opposite direction here. In terms of
Speaker 2: the followers, unfortunately, you do have to start with Bucky Irving,
Speaker 2: who entered the week as my RB one. Just from
Speaker 2: a film standpoint, I love Bucky Irving. The analytical profile
Speaker 2: is fantastic as well, in terms of miss tackles, force,
Speaker 2: in terms of yards after contact per attempt.
Speaker 1: There's so much to like there.
Speaker 2: But he's like twenty second percentile in a lot of
Speaker 2: categories in terms of athletic traits, and that's just it's
Speaker 2: a tough I don't think you should fall off of
Speaker 2: a player.
Speaker 1: That drastically based off of what film tells you.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like this is
Speaker 2: becoming a position that is really reliant on explosive traits
Speaker 2: as a way to raise a player's floor. Film can
Speaker 2: do that as well. But you know, you're looking at
Speaker 2: these guys who we just mentioned two of them, and
Speaker 2: then Trey Benson goes out and runs a four to
Speaker 2: three nine, and Jonathan Brooks to me also has great films,
Speaker 2: So I'm not a huge Blake Korm guy. But Blake
Speaker 2: Korm tested very well, and so it's like there were
Speaker 2: a lot of running backs who did extremely well at
Speaker 2: the combine and then Bucky Bucky Ieren unfortunately did the opposite.
Speaker 2: So he is no longer the RB one on my sheet.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it was that bad of a testing weekend for him.
Speaker 2: So it's it's unfortunate because I love the film, I
Speaker 2: love the prospect, but you know, this is a position
Speaker 2: where you're trying to bet on those athletic traits weighing out,
Speaker 2: and you're trying to match athletic traits and film as well,
Speaker 2: and so you match a guy like Trey Benson. Film
Speaker 2: testing was great, Jalen Wright. Film testing is great. So
Speaker 2: unfortunately I think I do think Bucky Aering has to
Speaker 2: drop a few spots for me.
Speaker 4: Couldn't believe it when I saw that that was the testing.
Speaker 4: I could not believe that it was his testing. And frankly,
Speaker 4: watching the film, you know, games, b GPS, all those
Speaker 4: things do matter more. But boy, I didn't expect twenty
Speaker 4: second percent stile out of Bucky Irving, Like, you rarely
Speaker 4: get to be that good in college and that good
Speaker 4: in per play stats and then also be I'm not
Speaker 4: that bad. We don't really know. Maybe there's an injury,
Speaker 4: who knows, but usually you're like, what happened that? That
Speaker 4: was such a surprise. I didn't expect that. That was
Speaker 4: the biggest surprise by far. I think if we had
Speaker 4: talked about one single player today, I think we both
Speaker 4: would have said Bucky Irving in terms of stock down,
Speaker 4: that was unfortunate. Another organ player, Troy Franklin, is another
Speaker 4: player I'll bring up. It didn't test poorly by any means.
Speaker 4: I did not watch the combine live and I watched
Speaker 4: on TV, but based on reports, he fell four separate
Speaker 4: times during positional drills and had problem pulling in the
Speaker 4: football and catching the football during various drills. And that's
Speaker 4: just it's not great obviously when that happens, but it's
Speaker 4: really not great when we just talked about how many
Speaker 4: good receivers there.
Speaker 3: Are in this class.
Speaker 4: If someone like the gat moves up, and Worthy moves out,
Speaker 4: and Mitchell moves up and all these guys, Piresol moves up.
Speaker 4: If you're out there and you are struggling to do
Speaker 4: these drills, you're going to move down. And unfortunately this
Speaker 4: is you know Franklin. He's bottom third in this class
Speaker 4: in contested catch rate, in drop rate. So if you
Speaker 4: go out there and you're struggling to move, keep your
Speaker 4: footing and catch the football, that is a very, very
Speaker 4: tough sell. So that's going to move him down.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's like the same kind of story as Bucky Iring,
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, it's a guy who the film
Speaker 2: it looks really good. You know, he's running past people
Speaker 2: and it's not just like I know people out there
Speaker 2: will say he's like, oh, he played in the Pact. Well,
Speaker 2: the Pact was really good this year, But Troy Franklin
Speaker 2: was running past everybody, and I think he does have
Speaker 2: that top speed, but I think you see kind of
Speaker 2: the athletic difference between him and a guy like Keon Coleman.
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman was hitting like over twenty miles per hour
Speaker 2: on the gauntlet drills, and Troy Franklin was consistently around
Speaker 2: like the seventeen eighteen mark, which is still very fast,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have like that instant short area quickness
Speaker 2: and speed and explosiveness that I think people are again
Speaker 2: trying to break ties here. That's something that really matters.
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, anybody else for you stock down in particular, Yeah,
Speaker 4: stock down.
Speaker 2: I think Braylan Trice, unfortunately, you know, this edge Rusher
Speaker 2: group does kind of lack in that second tier, and
Speaker 2: I was hoping that Braylan Trice, who reportedly tested very
Speaker 2: well at the Washington Pro Day in the spring, just
Speaker 2: did not have that same kind of explosiveness that I
Speaker 2: was hoping for.
Speaker 1: Again, the film is really really good.
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot to work with there
Speaker 2: in terms of his motor his character. He also was
Speaker 2: another one who kind of stumbled a couple of times.
Speaker 2: He was slow, he like missed, he did the drills
Speaker 2: wrong a couple of times as well, had to restart.
Speaker 2: So it was just an unfortunate weekend for him. And
Speaker 2: I think these athletic traits in the second round, third round,
Speaker 2: guys you're looking for guys who can you can really
Speaker 2: bet on that upside, and unfortunately Brandon Trice just tested
Speaker 2: very poorly. Maybe that changes out the Pro Day, but
Speaker 2: right now I think stockdown for Brandon Trice is fair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go through another defender that's kool Aid McKinstry
Speaker 4: at the corner from Alabama. There has to be a
Speaker 4: whole study on his fall from grace from the last
Speaker 4: year to this one, and this heat they discovered a
Speaker 4: Jones fracture and that's not going to impact his twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four season. It sounds like he's going to go
Speaker 4: through his pro day and he's going to you know,
Speaker 4: work through it, play through it, whatever, and then have
Speaker 4: the procedure this summer and then it shouldn't impact his
Speaker 4: rookie season. But it's just another thing. And for a
Speaker 4: guy who's been struggling to hold on to even CB
Speaker 4: two or CEB three for that to happen, that's just
Speaker 4: going to move him further and further down. So he
Speaker 4: wasn't able to test at all. That's very unfortunate.
Speaker 3: So nothing major.
Speaker 4: He's never missed a game at Alabama. This is not
Speaker 4: an injury prone player, so I think he's still going
Speaker 4: in the first round. But it's just another thing for
Speaker 4: a guy who keeps falling down draft boards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's totally fair characterization for him. Again,
Speaker 2: hopefully the prote goes really well, but there are athletic
Speaker 2: concerns there too, and so I think even more so
Speaker 2: than a Tarryan Arnold type. So you're trying to check
Speaker 2: all these boxes I keep saying, and unfortunately Cooling Makonstry
Speaker 2: just has not had the off season I think everybody
Speaker 2: was hoping for there.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 2: Right, Like I mentioned earlier, we are going to do
Speaker 2: a quick five round mock draft.
Speaker 1: Five rounds kind of our sweet spot.
Speaker 2: Appreciate and respect anybody who feels like they can do
Speaker 2: seven rounds. Respectfully, we like to talk about players that
Speaker 2: we actually have watched and studied, and so we get
Speaker 2: to seven rounds and we're kind of like, that's the
Speaker 2: name I recognized, let's take that guy. We're not gonna
Speaker 2: do that today. We're gonna do five rounds. We are
Speaker 2: going to consider and weigh the trade down options. That
Speaker 2: doesn't exclusively.
Speaker 1: Mean first round.
Speaker 2: Maybe we do a stick and pick at five scenario
Speaker 2: trade down in the second n Like I've talked about before,
Speaker 2: I do expect Joe Ortiz to play the board on
Speaker 2: draft weekend and we'll kind of see what happens there.
Speaker 2: So again, five round mock draft on Pro Football Focus,
Speaker 2: and we'll jump through some scenarios here.
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully don't trade down too many times because I'm
Speaker 4: not doing that much math man.
Speaker 2: No, we'll do if we do a trade down, it
Speaker 2: will be one time. We're not gonna get crazy with that.
Speaker 1: I think. Again, you can run.
Speaker 2: You can go crazy on the PFF simulary to trade
Speaker 2: down seventeen times if you really wanted to. I think
Speaker 2: that's a little unrealistic. So what we'll do if we
Speaker 2: do a trade down will be either at five or.
Speaker 1: At thirty seven. What kind of waste scenarios there?
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good. Here we go.
Speaker 2: Start the draft, all right, So this is this is
Speaker 2: definitely a trade doown scenario for me. You have Kayla Williams,
Speaker 2: Drake Maga one and two. Marvin Harrison goes three league
Speaker 2: neighbors at four. This is a scenario that I do
Speaker 2: think is possible because I just think these wide receivers
Speaker 2: are that good. So on the Pro Football Focus is simulation.
Speaker 2: We have twenty three teams interested in trading for this
Speaker 2: pick right now. This to me, if this scenarion folds,
Speaker 2: is a no brainer trade down. So let's look at
Speaker 2: some of these teams that might be interested.
Speaker 4: Here basically, everyone, but I am certainly more looking into
Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons the Minnesota Vikings here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Falcons very potentially interested in Kirk Cousins or Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: So I think in a quarterback scenario, I think you're
Speaker 2: I would trend towards the Minnesota Vikings because I think
Speaker 2: the if you trade down to the Vikings you can
Speaker 2: get a future first round pick due to the quarterback tacks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the quarterback tacks helps so much here. And frankly
Speaker 4: Daniel's being available here. I don't think he'll be available,
Speaker 4: but if he is, that helps so much. That makes
Speaker 4: that pick way more valuable for the Chargers. That's a
Speaker 4: whole bidding war.
Speaker 3: At that point.
Speaker 4: He seems to be the consensus QB three. So yeah,
Speaker 4: in terms of what the Chargers would get, so they
Speaker 4: give up the fifth overall pick. Obviously, Unfortunately, the Vikings
Speaker 4: don't have a third round pick this year or another
Speaker 4: second round pick, so you're definitely getting their first and
Speaker 4: second this year. I think you're aiming for something next year.
Speaker 4: Now in terms of the value of the selections, technically
Speaker 4: five for eleven and forty two is about even. I
Speaker 4: actually think the Chargers have to send a pick if
Speaker 4: we're just looking at pure draft pick value, but because
Speaker 4: of the quarterback tax and the luxury of having to
Speaker 4: trade up for a quarterback, the Vikings will have to
Speaker 4: give up more. When the Bills traded up with the
Speaker 4: Bucks for Josh Allen, they swapped first round picks, obviously,
Speaker 4: and then the Bucks got two first round picks in
Speaker 4: that draft as well as obviously the pick they traded
Speaker 4: back for. So I think for the Vikings here it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter for our simulations, just a twenty twenty four simulation,
Speaker 4: but the Chargers should either get around one pick next year,
Speaker 4: two pick next year either way. But I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I'm on board for trading down at this point. I
Speaker 4: think if neighbors were there, we'd have a bit more
Speaker 4: of an argument here. I love brock Bowers, of course,
Speaker 4: but the team is not one pick away. I'm all
Speaker 4: for trading down and seeing what happens here at eleven.
Speaker 4: So is this okay with I feel like eleven and
Speaker 4: forty two for five there will be a future first
Speaker 4: or second. It doesn't matter. I'll say future first. It
Speaker 4: doesn't matter for this year, but hey, I'll take it
Speaker 4: if that. If that, that's then the equivalent of Jackson
Speaker 4: powers Johnson next year or whatever, some mid round pick.
Speaker 3: I'm all for it. So this work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's totally fine.
Speaker 3: I will force the trade. I got it right.
Speaker 2: There's definitely some things you could like throw in there
Speaker 2: to make things work different than if the Vikings are
Speaker 2: playing hardball.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that to me is kind of like the
Speaker 2: starting point. Second this year, first round next year, and
Speaker 2: then we can get rolling.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Let's resume this draft.
Speaker 4: Alrighty, so Fuago, Wiggins, Bowers, Odoonsay.
Speaker 3: I'll go Makiza Kuberater Cooper. Hey man, you guys do
Speaker 3: whatever you'd want. Not my business.
Speaker 4: So at this point, I think a lot of charges
Speaker 4: fans are on the same page.
Speaker 3: It's corner or tackle.
Speaker 4: To me, I think Trey Pipkins will be better in
Speaker 4: this system, with this coaching with Ben Herbert, Greg Roman
Speaker 4: and Jim Harbaugh, you name it.
Speaker 3: They literally do not have.
Speaker 4: Enough corners to field a true defense out here. And yeah,
Speaker 4: of course offense would be great, But to me, this
Speaker 4: is corner, and I think we've made our intentions clear
Speaker 4: on which one so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a really hard time picturing Oulu for
Speaker 2: Shanu or Fashion new excuse me is what I learned.
Speaker 2: It's pronounced this week, but I have a hard time
Speaker 2: believing him he's on the board here. If he is,
Speaker 2: I think you can have a legitimate debate between Fashion
Speaker 2: and Tarry Arnold. But for me, I just think Tarryon
Speaker 2: Arnold is the better prospect. Like you, I also agree
Speaker 2: that Trey Pipkins is slated for an improvement in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. So I'm on board obviously with Terry Arnold
Speaker 2: being the pick here at eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem for me.
Speaker 4: Okay, Terry on Arnold, that's pretty easy for me. We'll
Speaker 4: see what happens in round two.
Speaker 2: So now, obviously the Chargers have thirty seven and forty
Speaker 2: four forty two, all right, so this should be fun.
Speaker 2: Zach Fraser just went at thirty five. That's that's an
Speaker 2: unfortunate one. Obviously Charges need a center court Lindsay likely
Speaker 2: to retire. There's JJ McCarthy at thirty four, so maybe
Speaker 2: PFF needs to update their simulator rankings here a bit.
Speaker 4: Well, he was he was the first quarterback taking just
Speaker 4: in the second round, so I think gym specified.
Speaker 2: See this is this is kind of the reason why
Speaker 2: I'm potentially on board with waiting at receiver or offensive tackle,
Speaker 2: because I really believe in the depth of this class.
Speaker 2: You like Jordan Morgan a lot at tackle, I believe
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3: No, but I appreciate you ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought we talked about him. I like him
Speaker 2: a lot at guard. For what it's worth, I think
Speaker 2: he'll be a fantastic guard prospect. So you could maybe
Speaker 2: kind of just take a versatile offensive lineman there. The
Speaker 2: wide receiver board here is completely stacked still with Keon Coleman,
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson's. They were worthy. Ricky Piersall, who I just
Speaker 2: talked about. Where are you leaning here at thirty seven
Speaker 2: after taking a corner around eleven?
Speaker 4: Yes, if you go defense first, you got to take
Speaker 4: an offensive playmaker here, and for me, with Titan not
Speaker 4: being my favorite, here, you go wide receiver. I have
Speaker 4: not watched Roman Wilson, so you'd have to tell me
Speaker 4: how you feel about him. There were some rumblings about
Speaker 4: him being one of the fastest guys at the combine.
Speaker 4: Wasn't a slow forty by any means, but I believe
Speaker 4: it was like a four to four, So not the
Speaker 4: four to three to one somewhere projecting Pierce all, I'll
Speaker 4: have to take your word for it there, but poke
Speaker 4: Worthy obviously Xavier to get I really like great options there.
Speaker 4: It just really depends on what kind of receiver you want.
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman is the highest ranked on the board. Not
Speaker 4: a particular favorite of mine in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I would debate here.
Speaker 1: Let me pull my grades just to be sure. I have.
Speaker 2: Actually the highest graded receiver on the board for me
Speaker 2: right now is Jalen Polk from Washington.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 2: I believe he would be a perfect fit for what
Speaker 2: the receiver room would look would look like, but I
Speaker 2: also understand I'm maybe a little higher on him than
Speaker 2: some other people. So I would be debating between Jayen
Speaker 2: and Polk or Roman Wilson here personally.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I could also understand Zavi Worthy, the current fastest man
Speaker 2: in Combin history. That headgeresher room also could be mighty
Speaker 2: enticing there. But we're going offense, so I'm okay with
Speaker 2: with Wilson. I'm okay with Jayen Polk or is ever Worthy.
Speaker 3: Let's go with Polk.
Speaker 4: We both like the next highest graded wide receiver and
Speaker 4: we both actually watched him.
Speaker 3: So there we go. The ven diagram aligns. Where's Polk
Speaker 3: that I lose him? There? He is? Yeah, Polk for
Speaker 3: me wonderful.
Speaker 4: I really like Kyrie Jackson the corner and Polk just
Speaker 4: to be able to get on top of a six
Speaker 4: four corner with a lot of speed and score touchdown
Speaker 4: like you did in that game.
Speaker 3: I think Polk is is awesome.
Speaker 4: I think it's unfair that the that Washington had him
Speaker 4: and o'duonsay, So Polk school with me here. Frankly, we
Speaker 4: could take Worthy in five picks too if we wanted to.
Speaker 4: Polk is my favorite receiver remaining, So I'll go with
Speaker 4: Polk here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, for those who might be questioning this,
Speaker 2: Steve Smith actually has jam Polk greated higher than Romo Dunsay.
Speaker 2: If you really need a different opinion there, you can
Speaker 2: go Steve Smith with that, I think because I think
Speaker 2: I think Steve Smith likes guys who remind him of him,
Speaker 2: and so Jayden Polk has that kind of toughness that
Speaker 2: Steve Smith played with, and so I think that's that's
Speaker 2: probably why. But I think there's a lot of natural
Speaker 2: transition again from Odunsea or from Mike Williams to Oduonzay,
Speaker 2: And same thing with Jenalleen Pole. Jayleen Polk's an outstanding
Speaker 2: contested catch player. He's an outstanding, you know, intermediate kind
Speaker 2: of player. You can play the AXCI, you can play
Speaker 2: the why Z. So there's there's a lot to like
Speaker 2: there where Jalen Polk. And you know, if you're a
Speaker 2: little lower on him than us, I think I understand why. Again,
Speaker 2: this wide receiver is so stacked. It's just kind of
Speaker 2: personal preference there. And obviously, yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4: I think if the Charger didn't take Quentin Johnson last year,
Speaker 4: I'd be more convinced to take.
Speaker 3: Someone like Worthy in the second round.
Speaker 4: But I think with two potential down the field guys
Speaker 4: Quentin Johnson coming out, obviously the question mark was hands Worthy.
Speaker 4: That is the question mark for Xavior Worthy is the
Speaker 4: hands contested catch drop right, et cetera. So I don't
Speaker 4: know if you want to go to there so Worthy
Speaker 4: in a in just a vacuum, it's like, okay, justin
Speaker 4: Herbert throwing to the fastest guy at the combine sounds fantastic,
Speaker 4: But I don't know if you want to invest in
Speaker 4: hands that are as questionable. But again, if you trade back,
Speaker 4: do whatever you want. You could take him just for fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so right now, obviously we have the corner,
Speaker 2: we have the wide receiver. In this instance, I would
Speaker 2: prefer a front seven defender. I'm not super picky about
Speaker 2: edge dt. I probably wouldn't take a linebacker, but I
Speaker 2: could hear you out there, so I would prefer a
Speaker 2: defensive line pick here.
Speaker 4: That's what I So, if Fraser we're here, we take
Speaker 4: him as the center. I think now we're gonna have
Speaker 4: to wait till the third round to find the next center,
Speaker 4: or maybe the Chargers to sign one. So I think
Speaker 4: an edge rusher or the interior guys here would be great.
Speaker 4: I would be very tempted for Saint ras still as well,
Speaker 4: but we did take our corners.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we want to do it twice
Speaker 3: all we could in the third round.
Speaker 4: So to me, I'm looking at defensive tackle, I'm looking
Speaker 4: at edge, and I'm feeling good about either. You really
Speaker 4: like Darius Robinson and he is. I've watched him just briefly.
Speaker 4: He told me to watch him, so I got all
Speaker 4: of like one and a half games in the dude's
Speaker 4: got power for days. And in a world where we've
Speaker 4: watched more of Khalil Mack than I anticipated doing as
Speaker 4: a non Raiders fan, of course, and then suddenly backs
Speaker 4: on the Chargers. That power stuff. Man, when you have
Speaker 4: that extra thing that you can do is wonderful. I
Speaker 4: think the same goes for Tully too. Honestly, when they
Speaker 4: drafted him, I thought the one thing that he would
Speaker 4: have walking into the NFL was power and playing the run,
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 3: Look, he turned out pretty good.
Speaker 4: So the only hold up here is this is pre
Speaker 4: free agency and we don't know what's happening at edge.
Speaker 4: So would you invest a second round pick in what
Speaker 4: is currently your fourth edge rusher or would you go
Speaker 4: more defensive tackle with, say like a Chris Jenkins. I
Speaker 4: don't know if briden Fisk fits their type. Jenkins obviously does,
Speaker 4: or maybe someone like Rouke. So post free agency, I
Speaker 4: believe edge would maybe be more likely. But it's tough
Speaker 4: right now because we're projecting quite a bit. Whereas a
Speaker 4: defensive tackle they don't have enough guys, And then linebacker
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I'm not investing in linebacker just yet.
Speaker 2: No linebacker I think I saw Eddrian Cooper. I know
Speaker 2: Junior Carlston on the board. Forty two is too early
Speaker 2: for me for a linebacker, even with the Chargers need there.
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson would be my edge choice. I would be
Speaker 2: okay with it right now. The Chargers don't really have
Speaker 2: into your defensive line death that they need. They could
Speaker 2: certainly invest in that. I I think, for sake of
Speaker 2: where the Chargers are at right now, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: opposed to Chris Jenkins here either.
Speaker 3: Yeah hmm.
Speaker 2: I although he did not test like the mutant of
Speaker 2: all mutants, he tested very very like.
Speaker 3: One of the be tier mutants. No, I'm kidding, he did.
Speaker 3: He's very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think, look, we'll do another mock draft. I think
Speaker 4: post free agency we can go edge. I think right now,
Speaker 4: because the Chargers have the roster of the way they
Speaker 4: have it, I kind of think we have to go
Speaker 4: defensive tackle in Chris Jenkins here. Yeah, I attend, So
Speaker 4: let's take free free agency. I think you have to
Speaker 4: go with the tackle here. I do like other ones
Speaker 4: later on.
Speaker 2: All right, So, as of this current moment, we have
Speaker 2: Terry Arnold, Jalen Polk, and Chris Jenkins on the chargers roster.
Speaker 2: What's your Is this a linebacker territory? Is this running
Speaker 2: back territory?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Running back I think can wait on this particular board,
Speaker 4: and on the consensus board you can still wait for
Speaker 4: the guys like right, like Benson. I still don't know why,
Speaker 4: but hey, if you're going to play the board that way,
Speaker 4: that's why I'll play the board.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: This wide receiver broader is still really good, as are
Speaker 4: some of the centers. So obviously this is the point
Speaker 4: where you have to start considering center. I think if
Speaker 4: you don't have or if you take someone and you've
Speaker 4: drafted someone or you signed someone, I think you just
Speaker 4: start considering a center here, whether it's Van Prant or
Speaker 4: Mason McCormick, who tested very well calls protections from guard
Speaker 4: at South Dakota State, which I did not realize, And yeah,
Speaker 4: Alex cats and discussed that within the chat with us,
Speaker 4: and that was pretty cool. Practice center practice center at
Speaker 4: the Shrine Bowl, so good stuff there. So you could
Speaker 4: go center here. Otherwise I think you kind of just
Speaker 4: b p a at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that would probably be Rouke, but we
Speaker 1: just took Chris Jenkins. Although you really like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Brandon Dorless too, but again, we
Speaker 2: just took Chris right.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so I'm not entirely opposed. I don't think
Speaker 4: we can take two d tackles and survive the comment.
Speaker 3: Section, but I do.
Speaker 4: I do understand the allure of maybe more of a
Speaker 4: run specific guy and then more of a past rusher
Speaker 4: in Doorless, so I wouldn't mind him. Can we look
Speaker 4: at I prefer Michael Hall, the doorless Bucky Irving.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I would as well. I would as well. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize he was so far down.
Speaker 3: I would be okay, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: This is maybe THEO Johnson territory too.
Speaker 4: He's at one fifty five, believe it or not, so
Speaker 4: we could wait quite a bit for him if he
Speaker 4: wanted to play this particular board.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm on board with McCormick to be the center
Speaker 2: future here. The dude tested like an athletic freak. The
Speaker 2: film is is I haven't watched it, but I watched
Speaker 2: the shrine Ball clips and the dude was amazing on
Speaker 2: the trible So I'd be on board there, or maybe
Speaker 2: one of the running backs because you could get I
Speaker 2: think RB one at this point in time. I know
Speaker 2: Trey Benson is much further down here, but I think
Speaker 2: you could entertain trade.
Speaker 4: Benson realistically, you're probably looking at Trey Benson here. If not,
Speaker 4: then definitely the next pick. But let's go let's go
Speaker 4: Center of the Future here. If we believe in McCormick
Speaker 4: to be that guy, let's go with Miason McCormick. And
Speaker 4: then I think I feel like I know what the
Speaker 4: next two picks.
Speaker 3: Are going to be.
Speaker 4: So let's go with our Center of the Future here
Speaker 4: at minimum, interior offensive woman guy of the future.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hen a guard for you, like you mentioned,
Speaker 2: does calls as a guard, which is pretty pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Brett Coleman swears by for what it's worth. Uh, this
Speaker 2: is definitely running back to.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm Trey Benson. You had a nine to seventy
Speaker 4: five r s. Your film matches numbers are great, runs well,
Speaker 4: catches the ball. I do not know why he's here,
Speaker 4: but I'm happy to take him here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go Trey Benson.
Speaker 2: A lot of people love the fit of Brainlan Allen
Speaker 2: for the Chargers as well, but Trey Benson as it
Speaker 2: currently stands is neck and neck with Jonathan Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 2: for Harvey one for me. I haven't broken that tie yet.
Speaker 2: They both have medical concerns.
Speaker 4: But I go Tred Benson here, got a running back,
Speaker 4: heck of a running back. And now we have one
Speaker 4: pick left, pick one thirty nine. Oh look who's right
Speaker 4: at the top one. Well, you don't need me anymore?
Speaker 1: What's a respect of my guy's name?
Speaker 4: You know, the Chargers technically, right as it currently stands,
Speaker 4: could use a safety. So at this point, this is
Speaker 4: where I'm feeling linebacker territory with someone like a Michael Barrett.
Speaker 4: I'm also considering edge rusher if we didn't take one,
Speaker 4: so you could look at Jalen Harrell, you could look
Speaker 4: at Brandon McGregor, the two Michigan guys. Maybe a little
Speaker 4: early here, I am very much so because we don't
Speaker 4: have one thinking tight end here. I'm THEO Johnson right here.
Speaker 4: If we didn't take a center than Drake Nugent, but
Speaker 4: I'm I'm team THEO Johnson. And if you have anybody
Speaker 4: else you want to look at, I'm all for it.
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously I would be on board with
Speaker 2: Cole Bishop. I think he goes much earlier than the
Speaker 2: fifth round. I also think THEO Johnson is earlier than
Speaker 2: the fifth round as well. Given the Chargers needs, I
Speaker 2: think you take the tight end. Like I think you
Speaker 2: can find safety depth in free agency and a much
Speaker 2: easier rate than through the draft. I think you want
Speaker 2: to take a shot on a long term tight end.
Speaker 4: I think the I would agree it'd be a fun
Speaker 4: pairing with Donald Parham or anybody else they bring in.
Speaker 3: So there we go.
Speaker 4: Now they're going to grade our mock, and because we
Speaker 4: believe in these players more than the mock that's not updated,
Speaker 4: we'll get a good like B minus for this, but
Speaker 4: it's an A plus in my hearts.
Speaker 2: We got a D for Jayalen Polk A and C
Speaker 2: minus or J Benson.
Speaker 3: What's the overall grade is A C plus? Sees get degrees?
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah for sure. Now, I mean I understand why
Speaker 2: they they had Polk at like the sixties, but it
Speaker 2: is what it is. They never get good grades for
Speaker 2: taking into your offensive lineman. I need them to put
Speaker 2: some respect on that. Like you know, it's every time
Speaker 2: you take it into your offensive line. Mean, you get
Speaker 2: a bad grade for whatever reason. On the simulator, so it.
Speaker 1: Is what is.
Speaker 2: I would be thrilled with this draft. I think you
Speaker 2: check a lot of needs here. You get some instant
Speaker 2: impact guys with Arnold, Polk, Jenkins, and Benson, as well
Speaker 2: as potentially McCormick depending on what they do in free agency.
Speaker 2: Tight end of the future. So I would be thrilled
Speaker 2: with this draft. I know a lot of people in
Speaker 2: the comments are probably gonna be upset that we passed
Speaker 2: on Romo Donday.
Speaker 1: I totally get it.
Speaker 4: Oh well, send us your Marx. I'm happy to discuss
Speaker 4: them with you in the comment section. I love a
Speaker 4: lot of mock drafts as long as they're mildly realistic.
Speaker 4: So yeah, let us know you could go we could
Speaker 4: have stuck and taken Bowers, but yeah, no, I like
Speaker 4: this group for sure. Benson is the easiest Round four
Speaker 4: pick every single time I do a mock draft, So
Speaker 4: I really like this group. I think we got the
Speaker 4: requisite one Michigan guy. At least you play corny, you
Speaker 4: play receiver, you play detackle. That's addressing three of the
Speaker 4: four best position groups in this class didn't go offensive tackle.
Speaker 4: We definitely could have. That's a great position group, but
Speaker 4: this class is all corner, wide, receiver, D tackle and
Speaker 4: I think going one, two, three in that order.
Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about that.
Speaker 1: All right, Hopefully you guys enjoyed that one.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're running through some different scenarios as we are
Speaker 2: currently doing right now and trying to weigh all options
Speaker 2: because I think everything is kind of on the table
Speaker 2: this year with the new regime, so we'll see what
Speaker 2: happens there. Like I mentioned, we are just under a
Speaker 2: week away from free agency. We'll have a lot of
Speaker 2: coverage on that regard on this channel as well as
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Speaker 2: Like the videos, comment all that good stuff. Tyler Any
Speaker 2: I'm excited, man.
Speaker 3: I'll boom. We're here in March.
Speaker 4: What happened, But it's March. Free agency is next and
Speaker 4: I'm excited. It's a winning time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Draft is next month, so it's rapidly approaching here.
Speaker 2: So appreciate you guys for tuning in. Thanks to Greg
Speaker 2: Kim for producing and the rest of the Charters team.
Speaker 2: You guys are the best in the business, sincerely mean it,
Speaker 2: and that's going to do it for us. We'll see
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