Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fantasy Pro's NFL Draft Show. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Derek Brown. And no, if you're on YouTube, your eyes
Speaker 1: are not deceiving you. That is not thorn istrom in
Speaker 1: the co Pilot's see. I'm joined this week by the
Speaker 1: Man the Myth, a Packer fandom lore legend, Pat fitz Morrison.
Speaker 1: On today's show, we're gonna talk about the top Combine standouts,
Speaker 1: recap the combine. We're gonna go through quarterback, running back,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and tight end, and Pat, let's just start
Speaker 1: off with some fire here, a baby, I know, we
Speaker 1: just updated our dynasty trade chart. You can find that
Speaker 1: at fantasypros dot com slash trades. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are gonna be trading into the first round of rookie draft.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is a guy that I think stood out.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about his throwing session at the Combine.
Speaker 2: Pat, why do you hate Jj?
Speaker 3: Well, you are bringing the fire to begin with growing non.
Speaker 3: First of all, oh, thanks by the way for letting
Speaker 3: me fill in for Thor. Big down grade, especially friend Minnesota.
Speaker 3: People watching this going from Thor to a Packers fan
Speaker 3: like that's just oh maybe fighting already turned off the show,
Speaker 3: but you know, hopefully they'll stick around. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't hate JJ McCarthy, but I think for me Debro,
Speaker 3: he was hiding in plain sights, and like I watch
Speaker 3: a lot of Michigan games, I kind of hate watch him,
Speaker 3: to be honest, because you know, I'm a fan of
Speaker 3: a certain other team from the Big Ten, from Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't like the Maze and Blue that much,
Speaker 3: and I watch a lot of their games and generally
Speaker 3: am cheering against them. But I saw McCarthy and I
Speaker 3: thought he had NFL tools, but I figured maybe a
Speaker 3: Day two or Day three pick, just because I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's pretty rare for a guy who now I think
Speaker 3: it's a given almost that he's going to be a
Speaker 3: top ten NFL pick, for a quarterback who's going to
Speaker 3: be drafted this highly to not really be all that
Speaker 3: prominently featured in his college team's offense, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: like McCarthy just wasn't asked to do that much throwing
Speaker 3: twenty three twenty four times a game because Michigan's defense
Speaker 3: and its running game were so good. So it was
Speaker 3: there all along, and it was I think JJ McCarthy
Speaker 3: beating on my Badgers in his second to last college
Speaker 3: season in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: That made me wonder about his NFL prospects.
Speaker 3: But man, I did not see top ten so Maya
Speaker 3: Kalpa on that one, I didn't think he was going
Speaker 3: to be this good a prospect, And now clearly he's
Speaker 3: going to be a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's rumors out there Thor and
Speaker 1: I have you know, we've again we've talked about our
Speaker 1: love letter on JJ McCarthy. Now he's getting top five,
Speaker 1: top three, possible hype. Fitz, do you still have him
Speaker 1: in your Dynasty rookie ranks? Like, is he still the
Speaker 1: QB four or did he move it all after the
Speaker 1: performance of the combine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's four for me, and look very early in
Speaker 3: the process right after the college season debro, I mean
Speaker 3: I had him behind Michael Pennox, which I've obviously had
Speaker 3: to change my tune about, you know, and I know
Speaker 3: you're not the biggest Penis fan, but I still kind
Speaker 3: of like him. But yeah, McCarthy, it would be pretty
Speaker 3: foolish for me to, you know, stick to my priors
Speaker 3: on that one. McCarthy's the draft capitals. Capital is going
Speaker 3: to validate McCarthy as at least the number four, and
Speaker 3: depending on where he lands, I might move in past
Speaker 3: you know, either may or Daniels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you and Scott Bogman both ran through
Speaker 1: all your rookie tears and stuff. So anybody's not listening
Speaker 1: to that show, they need to check it out, man
Speaker 1: A guy that again, if we're talking about rookie drafts
Speaker 1: and we're talking about NFL draft prospects, who Thorn and
Speaker 1: I talked about this, you can go check the receipts.
Speaker 1: On the Combine preview episode, we talked about Joe Milton
Speaker 1: lighting it up at the Combine. Basically he was going to,
Speaker 1: you know, play the game of how far can I
Speaker 1: throw it? Can anybody run under it? But we saw
Speaker 1: all those things the Combine fits. Do you think after
Speaker 1: what Joe Milton put up as far as the show
Speaker 1: he did in Indy, do you think that really bumps
Speaker 1: up his draft stock and what were your takeaways from
Speaker 1: his performance?
Speaker 3: I kind of don't, And I'm actually Joe Milton, I'm
Speaker 3: a Joe Milton standybro. But I think that he had
Speaker 3: and even as a Joe Milton stand. I think he
Speaker 3: is a developmental prospect in the green now, which is
Speaker 3: for an older prospect. I mean, he doesn't have all
Speaker 3: that long to develop, but he's going to need a
Speaker 3: year to sit minimum. But I think he might have
Speaker 3: the strongest arm of any quarterback on the planet, including
Speaker 3: anyone who's in the NFL right now. Thor's comparisons to
Speaker 3: nuk Lelouche from the film Film Bull Durham apply like
Speaker 3: that arm is ridiculously powerful, but you don't always know
Speaker 3: where the ball's going.
Speaker 1: Agreed, And that that's why I camped him to Josh Freeman.
Speaker 1: It's like big arm, big guy, you just don't know
Speaker 1: where it's going to go. And it's like this was
Speaker 1: the perfect avenue for Joe Milton. We talked about this
Speaker 1: again on the preview show, where it was like, look,
Speaker 1: we know he can run, we know we can throw,
Speaker 1: we know he could throw it over a mountain. None
Speaker 1: of that's surprising. So to watch him go out there
Speaker 1: and look like Uncle Rico is not surprising at all.
Speaker 1: So really you're still looking at a guy probably going
Speaker 1: to Garner Day three Capitol. Maybe some team just loves
Speaker 1: the intangibles and says, look, what can he be?
Speaker 2: Not what is he?
Speaker 1: And reaches and gets him in round three, But I
Speaker 1: still have him as a round four, round five kind
Speaker 1: of prospect. You're really drafting him as an NFL team
Speaker 1: for the trades alone. And speaking of the trades, dude,
Speaker 1: I mean moving over to running back. A player that
Speaker 1: I honestly right now, like I'm working through my primers,
Speaker 1: all of those will be live this week on the site.
Speaker 1: A player I've got to go back and add to
Speaker 1: the Dynasty ranks and figure out where I'm going to
Speaker 1: rank him, especially considering we just updated all of our
Speaker 1: Dynasty ranks, so fantasypros dot Com slash Dynasty rankings. Isaac
Speaker 1: Garndo out of Louisville. Man, he broke numbers fits. He
Speaker 1: ran a four to three tested like he's got a
Speaker 1: nine point nine raz Like, have you had a chance
Speaker 1: to dive into his film, like, because I haven't gotten
Speaker 1: to him yet, but we got to talk about him
Speaker 1: because he blew up the combine.
Speaker 3: Dude, well de bro I mean I was familiar with
Speaker 3: him even before he got to Louisville because he spent
Speaker 3: four years playing for my Wisconsin Badgers. Oh and granted
Speaker 3: he only had ninety nine carries in four seasons there
Speaker 3: because he was stuck behind Jonathan Taylor and then Braylen Allen,
Speaker 3: and he probably was more familiar to me as a
Speaker 3: kick returner for most of his time in Madison. It
Speaker 3: wasn't until his last year where he finally got some
Speaker 3: like quality backup reps, and even then it was only
Speaker 3: five carries a game or so. He kind of reminds
Speaker 3: me away coming out of college of Antonio Gibson Debro
Speaker 3: a guy with like a size, speed, combo and profile
Speaker 3: that will make you fall in love, but a very
Speaker 3: limited resume, and you know, a more expansive resume, I
Speaker 3: guess than Antonio Gibson, who I think had under forty
Speaker 3: carries at the FBS level, whereas Girndo was at least
Speaker 3: a rotational back in his final season at Louisville. But
Speaker 3: he's physical, I mean, like he will rattle your teeth
Speaker 3: if you come up to take it. Like he is
Speaker 3: not afraid of contact. Sometimes he'll bounce things outside. I
Speaker 3: think what I saw from him Wisconsin, like he is
Speaker 3: swervy when he runs, but I don't know if he
Speaker 3: can really cut. Okay, that's what I want to see,
Speaker 3: like can he make sharp cuts, because I saw him
Speaker 3: sort of weave more than cut at Wisconsin and with
Speaker 3: the Louisville highlights I've seen so far.
Speaker 4: But I still think anything maybe.
Speaker 3: Before the fourth round for him in a twelve team
Speaker 3: super flex draft, or maybe anything before the mid third
Speaker 3: in a one QB.
Speaker 4: Rookie draft is a little too aggressive.
Speaker 3: You know, Anyone who's trying to grab him in the
Speaker 3: late second or early third, I think you're just you know,
Speaker 3: projecting and falling in love with the combine numbers.
Speaker 4: But he's interesting. He's definitely interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna have a big role for
Speaker 3: an NFL team as a running back in his first year,
Speaker 3: but as a developmental guy who can maybe contributing your
Speaker 3: two year three I'm interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean, look the testing alone. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that he's definitively going to be this guy, but
Speaker 1: it's very Isaiah Pacheco like as far as a guy
Speaker 1: that really just came in and blew up the combine
Speaker 1: and now he's all of a sudden on everybody's radar.
Speaker 1: And I mean for a guy that again like talking
Speaker 1: about just being keeping.
Speaker 2: One hundred here, Fits.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to his tape yet, but if you're
Speaker 1: looking at just the analytical profile a running back amongst
Speaker 1: all running backs last year with at least one hundred
Speaker 1: carries that was fourteenth and yards after contact for attempt
Speaker 1: eighteenth and breakaway run rate, his.
Speaker 2: Numbers gonna stand out. They jump off the page. Man.
Speaker 1: So he's a guy that, Look, if you're reading my
Speaker 1: primers again, I'm going to have running back primer up
Speaker 1: later this week. He is a guy that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get through all the film and dive into to
Speaker 1: figure out where the heck I'm gonna rank him. But
Speaker 1: a guy that, again we're talking about players that crush
Speaker 1: the combine right now, Jalen Wright has to be the
Speaker 1: next thing we bring up here, FITZI and like I
Speaker 1: had him as my RB two in my ranks, I'm
Speaker 1: curious where you sit in on him. But he did
Speaker 1: nothing to move an ECR right now for a rookie ranks.
Speaker 1: He's RB five guy went out and crushed it.
Speaker 2: Fits.
Speaker 1: He ran a four to four nine point seven ras
Speaker 1: like ninety first percent out or higher in the vert
Speaker 1: and broad.
Speaker 2: Like, what are your thoughts on right man?
Speaker 1: And I mean does do you have him at RB
Speaker 1: five or are you gonna push him higher?
Speaker 3: I actually do have him at RB five, but I
Speaker 3: moved him up. I think he was at RB nine
Speaker 3: for me pre combine or something like that.
Speaker 4: All right, And it's just that so he runs hard.
Speaker 3: Let's see four three eight and a nine point eight
Speaker 3: two relative athletics score at five ten and a half
Speaker 3: two hundred and ten pounds, almost prototypical NFL running back size.
Speaker 3: Wasn't really asked to carry that big a load at Tennessee.
Speaker 3: But then again, that's where maybe the Alvin Kamara comp
Speaker 3: could apply, because Kamara wasn't really carrying a big load
Speaker 3: for the Valls either.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he runs hard.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe bounces it outside a little too often, but
Speaker 3: it's it's really easy to see this guy making the
Speaker 3: smooth transition to the NFL with his physical characteristics.
Speaker 1: Oh he's got juice for days, man. I mean just
Speaker 1: looking at right, like over the last few years. I mean,
Speaker 1: then the numbers last season especially, they popped, dude. I
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about a running back that was fifth
Speaker 1: in yards of the contact for attempt. I've given him
Speaker 1: a third round draft kick grade. I think that's where
Speaker 1: he goes considering his testing and just looking at the
Speaker 1: overall landscape of this running back draft class, and I
Speaker 1: mean staying at the top of that draft class a
Speaker 1: player that is everybody's RB one. And yes, I'm going
Speaker 1: to issue my apology letter or I know you're listening,
Speaker 1: you're not here on the show today. I have some
Speaker 1: say you ran away from the Marshawn Lloyd apology letter.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but some have said.
Speaker 1: But I will issue my apology here to Trey Benson
Speaker 1: as a player that Look, I've got him as my
Speaker 1: RB four in my ranks right now.
Speaker 2: Talent is their size is there and look at the combine.
Speaker 1: We saw the speed as only their four to three
Speaker 1: nine speed nine point seven raz I mean really fits he.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to push back about anybody having him
Speaker 1: as their RB one in this class. It's just not
Speaker 1: where I fell on him. But he's in my tier one.
Speaker 1: Where do you sit on Benson?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had him at RB four pre combine.
Speaker 3: Now I've got him at two. It's gonna be two.
Speaker 3: And like I can't say I fell in love with
Speaker 3: the film when I was sort of going saying a
Speaker 3: rewatch of Benson, but the size speed numbers not unlike
Speaker 3: that of bris Hall. I mean, Benson ran a four
Speaker 3: point three to nine at six feet two hundred and
Speaker 3: sixteen pounds. Briis Hall ran a four point three nine
Speaker 3: at five to eleven two hundred and seventeen pounds. And
Speaker 3: it's Benson's size speed combination actually better than Bjhon Robinson,
Speaker 3: who ran a four point four to six at two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen pounds. So Benson is one pound heavier
Speaker 3: a little bit faster, but he just doesn't have the
Speaker 3: same juice as Bjeon or bris Hall no tape. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you watch, like those guys were electric in college,
Speaker 3: and I don't think you could say Benson was electric,
Speaker 3: and for that matter, wasn't really asked to carry that
Speaker 3: big a load, like he was kind of part of
Speaker 3: a timeshare situation for the Seminoles. So intriguing for sure,
Speaker 3: and in sort of this I don't know, kind of
Speaker 3: a hard to rank running back class, right debro. I mean,
Speaker 3: you take ten different draft analysts, ten different fantasy analysts,
Speaker 3: and their top tens for rookie running backs are gonna
Speaker 3: look a lot different. And you know, Benson is a guy,
Speaker 3: A lot of people are gonna have him at one,
Speaker 3: and I think we might see some people who just
Speaker 3: don't buy what they saw in film and might have
Speaker 3: him outside the top five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think again, this is going back
Speaker 1: to a running back, and my running back ranks specifically
Speaker 1: might differ from a lot of people. Just how I'm
Speaker 1: looking at these guys, like the top two guys on
Speaker 1: a lot of people's lists or trade Benson Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 1: We know Brooks didn't tests, so he's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: fall or jump in ranks for people. But as far
Speaker 1: as Benson goes man, I mean, yeah, you're parsing through
Speaker 1: all of these guys, and the top guys like we're
Speaker 1: talking about Marshawn Lloyd didn't ever have like a high
Speaker 1: end like giant workhorse series season. Trey Benson, same thing,
Speaker 1: jam And Wright sailing the same thing. Trey Benson over
Speaker 1: the last two years only had one game where he
Speaker 1: logged at least twenty carries. So some of the concerns
Speaker 1: are justified about the workhoorps, the workhorse, the workload stuff
Speaker 1: like what can he handle just because we haven't seen
Speaker 1: it yet. Now, does he have the size frame and
Speaker 1: now the testing to back it up that possibly, yes,
Speaker 1: can he do that? Sure, man, But I mean we
Speaker 1: still have those questions about him. And right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: looking at NFL mock draft database, Fitsie Benson's sitting in
Speaker 1: the sixties like he's a possible second round pick. So
Speaker 1: you tell me, if he gets second round draft capital
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft, do you think he sneaks into
Speaker 1: the back end of the first and rookie drafts?
Speaker 2: Because I thought I could see it happening.
Speaker 4: I could see it, But I don't think he should.
Speaker 3: I don't think any running back under any circumstances should
Speaker 3: go in the first round of a super flex draft,
Speaker 3: maybe in the back half of the first round, or
Speaker 3: you know, maybe one of the last three first round
Speaker 3: picks in a one QB draft. But they are just
Speaker 3: too many good receivers in this class, teare, Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I think like we could see some of that shift
Speaker 1: depending on like if some of these guys, if any
Speaker 1: of these running backs do get second round capital or
Speaker 1: they go in the third, they get just the plumb
Speaker 1: landing spot. You know, some of those things can kind
Speaker 1: of move. But I'm not pushing back against them, man,
Speaker 1: Like I could see him maybe sneaking into the first round.
Speaker 1: But again, we're gonna get to the wide receivers. A
Speaker 1: lot of this comes down to where people sit on
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. But if you're sitting in rookie drafts
Speaker 1: and you're looking for a guy that maybe falls into
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, again, I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: on the all apology team right now. Fancy, But Kamani Vadal,
Speaker 1: I know that's thors guy, So we got to bring
Speaker 1: him up here. Man, eight point eight ras have more
Speaker 1: speed than I thought he was gonna have. Like watching
Speaker 1: Vadal's tape, I thought the short area of stuff was there,
Speaker 1: but a four four forty I didn't see that coming, man,
Speaker 1: But you tell me, what do you see out of
Speaker 1: a doll? And do you think that really helped his
Speaker 1: stock a good bit because I don't know if it
Speaker 1: really bumped up his draft stock that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it should.
Speaker 3: And so I didn't see that forty time coming at
Speaker 3: all what it was going to be. I thought he
Speaker 3: was going to be a four to six guy. Agreed,
Speaker 3: And when Videll and I think I think they pronounced
Speaker 3: Fidell the Troy guys, like I've watched, I've watching a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of video on this guy, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's sort of this no frills power runner
Speaker 3: used heavily ran between the tackles quite a bit, and
Speaker 3: I thought he was kind of a small plotter, which
Speaker 3: is not something you want to be described as if
Speaker 3: you're running back coming in.
Speaker 1: Well, we're on one on one then, because my comprahend
Speaker 1: was Devin Singletary, So I'm with you on that fit scene.
Speaker 3: And that might not be a bad comp Actually, de
Speaker 3: bro and Singletary has been I think kind of surprisingly
Speaker 3: productive in the NFL.
Speaker 4: I think Videll could be that same guy.
Speaker 3: And I almost wanted to see him run a four
Speaker 3: to six so I could grab him in the fourth.
Speaker 2: Round of drafts.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that happens anymore.
Speaker 3: Like, I definitely i'd rather have Videll than Girndo because
Speaker 3: of what Videll is put on tape, Like he's a
Speaker 3: slam dunk top ten guy for me now, and like
Speaker 3: I think you can make a case for him being
Speaker 3: as high as five or six.
Speaker 1: I think you can make the case, especially like I
Speaker 1: mean right now, I guess I'm making the case right
Speaker 1: now because we're gonna talk about some guys that kind
Speaker 1: of fell on their face at the combine, but Videll
Speaker 1: like after the combine showing I have him at RB six.
Speaker 1: I mean the tackle breaking metrics kind of line up
Speaker 1: his game overall, and with Thorn and I saw down
Speaker 1: at Senior Bowl. I mean he can catch passes. His
Speaker 1: routes out of the backfield look pretty good, man. I
Speaker 1: think he's underrated as far as a receiver out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. But I buried the lead long enough fit
Speaker 1: SI and we had a Again I'm not saying Thors
Speaker 1: not on this show because he didn't want to issue
Speaker 1: the apology letter to Marshawn Lloyd. But he's not here,
Speaker 1: so people can draw their own conclusions with that.
Speaker 2: But we did put out.
Speaker 1: A bet before this show, and I let Mike Mayer, Oh,
Speaker 1: Mike Mayer set the line at four five three forty
Speaker 1: for Marshawn Lloyd, and he went out and just ripped
Speaker 1: that in half.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: He ran a four four six, came in with an
Speaker 1: eight point nine raz and I look, you talked about
Speaker 1: the difference in people's ranks and stuff.
Speaker 2: I put my stamp on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was already huge into Marshawn Lloyd coming
Speaker 1: into the process, especially adding on top of film analytics
Speaker 1: what we saw in Mobile.
Speaker 2: I'm not backing off.
Speaker 1: Dude to call me crazy, and I'm ready for it. FITZI,
Speaker 1: he's my RB one.
Speaker 2: In this class. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I could apologize on behalf of thor or
Speaker 3: just apologize myself because I had Lloyd in the back
Speaker 3: part of my top ten.
Speaker 4: I no, I've got him RBI. I've got him RB four.
Speaker 2: Now all right, let's go and respect on that man's name.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the four four six at two hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty pounds was great. And plus we know he
Speaker 3: is a like a dog on Blitz pick up, Like
Speaker 3: he is a he is not afraid of the physical stuff,
Speaker 3: and it's just the production profile in college wasn't great.
Speaker 3: But then again, this guy was playing on a college
Speaker 3: team in his final season.
Speaker 4: He was at South Carolina for most of his career, but.
Speaker 3: His final season he's on a team where they're featuring
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. So you can understand why he only had
Speaker 3: what eight hundred and twenty rushing yards in his last
Speaker 3: season at USC. So yeah, he has some pass catching ability,
Speaker 3: not afraid to do the dirty work, Like he could
Speaker 3: play on any of the three downs, which you like
Speaker 3: seeing for a prospect because he could. You know, there
Speaker 3: are few three down workhorses anymore, but Lloyd could fit
Speaker 3: a number of different roles. He could play on passing
Speaker 3: downs for you, he could play on early downs for you,
Speaker 3: And that's what you like because he has sort of
Speaker 3: role flexibility and that's going to help a rookie he
Speaker 3: you know, get touches right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just look at Lloyd.
Speaker 1: And I love to see that throughout this entire process
Speaker 1: because he was listed as lighter than that, and then
Speaker 1: throughout this entire process he's he weighed.
Speaker 2: In at Senior Bowl. And correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Anybody out there can correct me if I'm wrong on
Speaker 1: the on the YouTube receipts, like the comments, correct me here.
Speaker 1: But I want to say he not only weighed in
Speaker 1: heavier at Senior Bowl, but as well in the combine
Speaker 1: coming in at two twenty dude, and he ran faster
Speaker 1: than when a lot of people were going to give
Speaker 1: him credit for, like on the heavier weight. All that
Speaker 1: speaks volumes man as a running back. We're waiting and
Speaker 1: hoping some of these running backs like Jalen Wright, Marshaun Lloyd,
Speaker 1: Trey Benson. Basically they put the cape on and come
Speaker 1: and fly in and save this class, which everybody's down
Speaker 1: on the running back class. There's some guys in here
Speaker 1: that I like a little bit more than consensus, like
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a third round grade on Marshaon Lloyd,
Speaker 1: I've had a third round grade the entirety of this process.
Speaker 2: So none of that's changing.
Speaker 1: The receipts are out there, go check it, Go look
Speaker 1: back on the Senior Bowl recap shows on YouTube and stuff.
Speaker 2: That's where I've been on him, man.
Speaker 1: But so really this is just more validation for how
Speaker 1: much I loved Lloyd through this process. But a guy
Speaker 1: we got to talk about here next FITZI and again
Speaker 1: going back to Michigan.
Speaker 2: I know you don't like them, but we gotta discuss.
Speaker 1: Blake kora Man. He is RB four in ECR and
Speaker 1: I'm curious where that ranking goes as we kind of
Speaker 1: moved through this process where he's going to go in
Speaker 1: the NFL draft because he didn't do hisself any kind
Speaker 1: of help as far as testing metrics, FITZI, I mean
Speaker 1: we already knew the size was. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say a concern, but he's on the borderline at five
Speaker 1: seven two oh five of being like can you be
Speaker 1: a workhorse? Are you just a timeshare back? And then
Speaker 1: he goes out and coming off the you know, we
Speaker 1: know all know the injury history, but dude, coming off
Speaker 1: that injury history and he runs a four five three,
Speaker 1: his vert is only seventy second percent tile on his
Speaker 1: RAS comes in at five point eight. Like, do you
Speaker 1: think he goes screaming down boards coming close to the
Speaker 1: NFL draft or is this more of like teams go
Speaker 1: back to the to the film and they say, all right,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but that's really not the special sauce with
Speaker 1: Blake Gorham.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't think he's gonna go first too rounds.
Speaker 3: I still think he could go third round because of
Speaker 3: what he put on film. De bro He's still my
Speaker 3: RB one in this room, really, okay, I mean Quick
Speaker 3: feats best vision of anyone. I think he is the
Speaker 3: most instinctive and resourceful runner in this entire draft class,
Speaker 3: and like seeing it on tape what he does I
Speaker 3: mean he is just like the subtlety in his run.
Speaker 3: He just knows how to maximize runs, like he'll he
Speaker 3: knows when to cuts, he knows when to hit the brakes,
Speaker 3: he knows when to stomp the accelerator. He knows when
Speaker 3: to just lower his shoulder and pick up in extra
Speaker 3: one or two yards when he's about to be tackled,
Speaker 3: Like he is just a professional run on her and
Speaker 3: like I have no doubt he's gonna make a smooth transition.
Speaker 3: And boy, if he gets the draft capital if he
Speaker 3: gets for instance, Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, don't say the chargers. You're gonna
Speaker 2: say the chargers.
Speaker 4: Can you just see him as the Chargers early down back?
Speaker 4: I mean, I could totally see that. I think.
Speaker 3: I think despite the testing numbers, and by the way,
Speaker 3: I think he measured at five eight not five to
Speaker 3: seven short, our guy.
Speaker 2: Deepro that's your guy. That's not my guy. It's your guy.
Speaker 2: I'll let you, I'll let you have him. Pity.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I think he's terrific. And I've heard
Speaker 3: Ray Rice and Doug Martin comps. I think he's better
Speaker 3: than Doug Martin was. Like I think I think the
Speaker 3: Ray Rice comp is the more applicable one for for
Speaker 3: Blake Quorum.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not saying that I hate the guy. I
Speaker 1: just think that looking at the skill set, the testing,
Speaker 1: especially if you also lop on all of that as
Speaker 1: well as the pass game utility, how much is he
Speaker 1: going to see it with that in the NFL. That's
Speaker 1: where my worries come down on him. But I mean,
Speaker 1: my word, worries about him pale in comparison to my
Speaker 1: worries about Bucky Irving. And Bucky Irving could not have
Speaker 1: had and look, I watched his tape going into this fitsy.
Speaker 1: I'm still working through my write up for Bucky Irving,
Speaker 1: but Thorn and I talked about this man going into
Speaker 1: the combine. He needed to crush the combine to really
Speaker 1: kind of assuage some of those fears with Bucky Irving
Speaker 1: five nine two, because you know they were going.
Speaker 2: To be talked about the size.
Speaker 1: Does he have the speed, the burst, all these things
Speaker 1: to overcome the size concerns. And then Bucky Irving goes
Speaker 1: out and runs a four or five six. He goes
Speaker 1: out and he only jumps a twenty nine and a
Speaker 1: half vert Like all of these metrics are bad. Like
Speaker 1: his vert was tenth percentile, his broad jump is fortieth percentile.
Speaker 1: He came away with a two point two raz FITZI
Speaker 1: like Irving's RB seven and ECR and I'm he's one
Speaker 1: of the guys. The next two guys we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the next two or three guys we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about here. I am unfortunately going to be fading in
Speaker 1: my ranks because of the concerns. Man, But you tell me, like,
Speaker 1: are you fading Bucky Irving in your ranks or where's
Speaker 1: he at?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I can't remember if I moved him out of my
Speaker 3: top ten, but he is at best RB ten for me,
Speaker 3: and I think he's like RB eleven and everything you said,
Speaker 3: Debro And maybe people are going to look back at
Speaker 3: the lesson of Kyron Williams, who came in as an
Speaker 3: undersized back who ran a really slow time.
Speaker 4: But here's the difference.
Speaker 3: Kyron Williams was a physical college player at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving is not. He is a space back and
Speaker 3: he's not physical at all. And for him to run
Speaker 3: that slow a time, like it's concerning for sure, Like
Speaker 3: I just I think he's going to be kind of
Speaker 3: a should be more of an afterthought now in rookie drafts,
Speaker 3: Like it's hard to see him deserving even third round
Speaker 3: draft capital in rookie drafts when there were some people
Speaker 3: pre Combine who had him as their RB one. Not
Speaker 3: gonna say any names, but I know there was some
Speaker 3: fantasy analysts who had Bucky Irving as their favorite RB
Speaker 3: prospect In this.
Speaker 1: There's no way he can stay RB one for anybody
Speaker 1: that like considering the testing and stuff, like, if you
Speaker 1: keep him as your RB one, I'm just gonna say it,
Speaker 1: like you're you're digging your heels in it's take look
Speaker 1: like we have to stay liquid to this entire process
Speaker 1: fits hee, Like there are guys like where the testing
Speaker 1: is gonna move mountains for as far as in ranks
Speaker 1: and what we think and right now, especially like if
Speaker 1: you look on mock draft database, Bucky Irving still has
Speaker 1: a third round eedp expected draft position. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's gonna hold. I don't think he should have ever
Speaker 1: had a third round grade on him. Right now, Bucky
Speaker 1: Irving is hoping that maybe what he goes out and
Speaker 1: runs again in his pro day, maybe he's fast or
Speaker 1: maybe he tests. I mean, he does well as far
Speaker 1: as his pro day and maybe save some of that.
Speaker 1: But I look at him as like a fourth or
Speaker 1: fifth round back. Maybe fifth round considering some of the
Speaker 1: guys that we have showing out, But do you see
Speaker 1: him going in the fourth round or is that even
Speaker 1: too much?
Speaker 4: Day three?
Speaker 3: For sure, I'll be really surprised if he's a Day
Speaker 3: two back at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, And look again, we're staying on the pain
Speaker 1: train here. Guy that we met DENI Mobile got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to. I'd love this kid, Cody Schrader,
Speaker 1: I think again my ride ups, my look at him
Speaker 1: is I think he's gonna be a fantastic pro. But
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything to help himself. Fits he at
Speaker 1: the combine, So we got to discuss it, man, Like
Speaker 1: for a player that was in the Heisman conversation, got
Speaker 1: some votes, crazy production profile, but then has a three
Speaker 1: point zero raz like, he ran a four to six
Speaker 1: one and if you look at the film, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I thought he was gonna do. But were
Speaker 1: you surprised by Cody Schrader And how far is he
Speaker 1: gonna fall?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He ran a four to six at five eight and
Speaker 3: a half two hundred and two pounds and then injured
Speaker 3: his hamstring on his second dash, so that was his
Speaker 3: first dash. Then he and I know, like was really
Speaker 3: a workhorse for Missouri and led the SEC in rushing
Speaker 3: with sixteen hundred yards and that's a conference that had
Speaker 3: some really good runners. Ray Davis, uh, the kid from
Speaker 3: old miss quinch On. So yeah, I mean it's it's disappointing,
Speaker 3: and I think he is probably another Day three pick.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't want to entirely rule out Cody
Speaker 3: Schrader because another one of those guys de Bro who
Speaker 3: does he can catch passes. So Schrader's another one of
Speaker 3: those guys who could conceivably play on any down. But yeah,
Speaker 3: now I don't think there's probably wasn't any chance before
Speaker 3: that he went on Day two, but now we might
Speaker 3: be looking at sixth or seventh round at bet Yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean I look at him, is a team's gonna
Speaker 1: have to fall in love with him for him to
Speaker 1: go in round five. I look him as probably being
Speaker 1: like a round six guy, Like a team says, look
Speaker 1: like we want to bring you in, we want.
Speaker 2: You on the squad.
Speaker 1: We don't want to fight UDFA stuff and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I think I think he still gets drafted, but
Speaker 1: that round five capital could have dropped round six considering
Speaker 1: the testing and for a player that could honestly just
Speaker 1: fall out of the NFL draft. I know that sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but Fitzi Adrick Holefield, excuse me, Audrick estimate. Looking at
Speaker 1: what he did at the combine, it's struggle bus man,
Speaker 1: it's rough, and I will give him his flowers. That
Speaker 1: look in the vertical in the broad jump he did
Speaker 1: have ninety first or higher percentile marks. But when you
Speaker 1: were a five eleven two twenty power back and we
Speaker 1: could talk about, yes, you could break tackles and stuff,
Speaker 1: I am burying him in my ranks. After he went
Speaker 1: out and ran a four seven forty. This isn't a
Speaker 1: wide receiver we're talking about fits He like a four
Speaker 1: to seven is bad. Man like that just kind of
Speaker 1: tanks his entire outlook as far as the NFL draft
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But am I insane there? Or are
Speaker 1: you burying him in ranks as well?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What's with the Notre Dame guys? And they're bad
Speaker 4: forty times? Because Hyra, it's like Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: They can't run fast than a straight line, whereas everybody
Speaker 1: that comes out of Penn State, they're like like shot out.
Speaker 2: Of a rocket, Babe.
Speaker 3: They don't do sprints in South Bend. I guess, I
Speaker 3: guess I'm a lot less worried than you are about st.
Speaker 3: De bro just because I think he is a prototypical
Speaker 3: early down thumper. Yeah, two twenty one, maybe you wish
Speaker 3: he were a little bigger and four to seven at
Speaker 3: two twenty one not great when we're talking about Marshaun
Speaker 3: Lloyd being only one one pound lighter and running.
Speaker 4: A four to four six.
Speaker 3: But just because the kind of back estimate is, I
Speaker 3: think now like he really shouldn't be in anyone's top
Speaker 3: five in this running back class. But now I've still
Speaker 3: got him at either it's either RB nine or RB ten,
Speaker 3: I've still got him as a top ten guy. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, in Dynasty, maybe he's gonna be a little
Speaker 3: less valuable just because he does not profile as a
Speaker 3: pass catcher at all, that he's not gonna play on
Speaker 3: third downs in the NFL, He's gonna be an early
Speaker 3: down guy like Braylan Allen. But you know, Braylan Allen
Speaker 3: is bigger and faster, So I think Estime has to
Speaker 3: go a little later. Like I don't see him going
Speaker 3: before the late third in most rookie drafts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's a guy that I'm just going
Speaker 1: to kind of off the board, to be honest, FITZI
Speaker 1: like right now still getting through some of the lower
Speaker 1: running backs in this class, but like that four to
Speaker 1: seven forty is just a coffin nail for me, like
Speaker 1: when you add on top, Like, okay, so if he
Speaker 1: was a good pass catcher, maybe he has a saving grace,
Speaker 1: like there's utility there. But we're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that didn't weigh in like if he was in the
Speaker 1: two thirties. Okay, fine, let's give him a pass. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe he put on wad for the combine whatever. But
Speaker 1: as a player that you talked about the comparable size
Speaker 1: to Marshawn Lloyd. But then he goes out and runs
Speaker 1: a four to seven, Like it's not good man, like
Speaker 1: you can name. I mean probably it's a very very
Speaker 1: short list of really good running backs or good fantasy
Speaker 1: options that have run four sevens.
Speaker 2: Like four six is fine, Like I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 1: I'm still in you know, that's not damning, especially if
Speaker 1: your ten yard split is pretty good.
Speaker 2: But with estimate, that's not even the case.
Speaker 1: Man, Like even his ten yard split was twenty third percentile.
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Speaker 1: record being broken at the combine?
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy?
Speaker 1: Next guy we got to talk about. Man, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna hang up and listen. Tell me what you think
Speaker 1: about Xavier Worthy and his blazing, lightning feet.
Speaker 4: Baby, that was fun.
Speaker 3: He needed to be blazing, though, Debro when you think
Speaker 3: about it, when he measured in at only one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty five pounds, which was the same weight as
Speaker 3: Tank Dell last year, and Tank Dell ran a four
Speaker 3: point four to nine, And that's why I was.
Speaker 4: I was out on Tank Dell when he ran the
Speaker 4: four four nine.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm glad Thor is not here to
Speaker 2: hear that because he.
Speaker 3: I know, and you guys, you guys had been to
Speaker 3: the Senior Ball and you told me like covering Tank
Speaker 3: Dell was like trying to cover Mercury yep.
Speaker 4: And yet when he ran that time, I'm like, nope.
Speaker 3: I'm out. I'm not touching this guy. That's just not
Speaker 3: fast enough for a dude who weighs that little. But
Speaker 3: the route running is the secret sauce for Tank Dell.
Speaker 3: And you know what, debro, Xavier Worthy is a heck
Speaker 3: of a route runner man, Yes, sir, put on the
Speaker 3: film when I when I watched him, Like, the first
Speaker 3: guy who popped to mind for me was Devonte Smith
Speaker 3: when I watched Davior Worthy.
Speaker 4: I mean like, it's the same type of thing.
Speaker 3: So and I know people see the one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty five pounds and they're worried about what's going to
Speaker 3: happen when a cornerback gets his hands on Xavier Worthy
Speaker 3: and jams him. Good luck getting your hands on this guy,
Speaker 3: because he is quick. He is quick.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I said.
Speaker 1: You can't press what you can't catch, man, like you
Speaker 1: got to hang with him. And here's the other thing,
Speaker 1: FITZI if you go try to press him with the
Speaker 1: line and you don't get your hands on him, Look,
Speaker 1: you're already two three steps behind, baby.
Speaker 2: I love the.
Speaker 1: Fact that we've talked about Tank Dell in here, Thorn
Speaker 1: and I have thrown out the comp for Xavier Worthy
Speaker 1: as Tank Dell. I've said he's DeShawn Jackson with better
Speaker 1: route running chops, And I love the fact that you
Speaker 1: brought up his route running because that's the first thing
Speaker 1: people talk about.
Speaker 2: The speed.
Speaker 1: That's and I'm not telling people we're talking about this
Speaker 1: as the combine. I'm not telling people to not talk
Speaker 1: about the speed, but that's the first thing that will
Speaker 1: get mentioned about Xavier Worthy. When I think like you
Speaker 1: that the first thing people should be talking about Xavier
Speaker 1: Worthy is his route running.
Speaker 2: Man, it's special.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna crush I think looking at this combine,
Speaker 1: I already had him as a first round grade. There's
Speaker 1: no way that the top thirty two teams now draft
Speaker 1: on night one and Xavier Worthy does not hear his
Speaker 1: name called.
Speaker 2: Do you agree? Fitsy Like he's the first round locked now.
Speaker 4: There's no way he gets past the Chiefs thirty No way,
Speaker 4: no way.
Speaker 3: A franchise that value speed as much as the Chiefs do.
Speaker 3: If he's there, I totally see them grabbing him. And
Speaker 3: the thing about Worthy, one last thought de bro is
Speaker 3: that like he is not just a nine route guy.
Speaker 3: This is not Philip dor Satz. He runs the full
Speaker 3: tree man. And it was actually like he averaged fewer
Speaker 3: yards per catch than at Ni Mitchell, Yeah Texas last year,
Speaker 3: and Mitchell was more the lidlift during that offense and
Speaker 3: Worthy was more the intermediate range guy. So yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: don't I think people are gonna want to stereotype Xavier
Speaker 3: Worthy and like it's weird. I mean, certainly the four
Speaker 3: two one gets people's attention, but like, don't I would
Speaker 3: not worry too much about the small frame with this guy.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 1: And the other thing we need to talk about it's
Speaker 1: a different NFL man, Like you're not seeing like you're
Speaker 1: seeing guys at smaller size, Like they're not asking them
Speaker 1: to run over the middle constantly, and they're not absorbing
Speaker 1: these monster hits like we're talking about Ronnie Lott style
Speaker 1: in the eighties.
Speaker 2: And guys like you don't see that.
Speaker 1: So smaller players are succeeding, and we're seeing guys that
Speaker 1: have speed and route running chops like good luck trying
Speaker 1: to press them, good luck trying to beat them like
Speaker 1: they can beat Man coverage.
Speaker 2: But I love the fact that you brought up at
Speaker 2: I Mitchell because he's the guy.
Speaker 1: Like if you're doing mock drafts right now on fantasypros
Speaker 1: dot com slash simulator and you're rolling through all of
Speaker 1: these where he goes in drafts right now, FITSI is
Speaker 1: gonna be very very interesting and we're probably gonna continue
Speaker 1: to see him go up the board, like does he
Speaker 1: get first round capital? Like he went out and put
Speaker 1: up a nine point nine rass blew out every testing
Speaker 1: metric that he possibly could have. But I'm curious on
Speaker 1: your thoughts, man, because people know I'm not in on Mitchell.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Mitchell guy. But where do you sit
Speaker 1: on him? After running a four three four forty at
Speaker 1: the combine?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so And to run that four three four
Speaker 3: and to put up a nine point eight relative athletic
Speaker 3: score at six two, two hundred and five pounds, I
Speaker 3: think he's gonna be a first round NFL pick now.
Speaker 3: But after watching him at Texas I guess I am
Speaker 3: a little agnostic on whether I think he's going to
Speaker 3: be a hit in the NFL. I just I like
Speaker 3: Worthy more, but same considering the physical blessings that Adni
Speaker 3: Mitchell has, I would not be surprised if he turned
Speaker 3: out to be a really good NFL receiver. So I
Speaker 3: just like I didn't what I saw of him at
Speaker 3: Texas did not electrify me. But there were certainly moments.
Speaker 3: I mean there were certainly moments, and you know, with
Speaker 3: his physical makeup, like I think he has probably earned
Speaker 3: himself first round NFL draft capital and like probably maybe
Speaker 3: in super flex drafts, just outside the first round of
Speaker 3: rookie drafts, and in one QB leagues, I think he's
Speaker 3: a first round or for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see all that.
Speaker 1: And the reasons that I'm out on him is because
Speaker 1: of kind of what we've discussed here. Worthy was easily
Speaker 1: the better player on that exact same team. And you know,
Speaker 1: we could talk about Quinn Ewers, we could talk about
Speaker 1: the quarterback play at Texas. I mean, you know, foreshadowing here.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be a yours guy when he comes
Speaker 1: out next year. Just not I've watched enough of him
Speaker 1: short arming, Exavier Worthy and Mitchell on deep routes. I
Speaker 1: don't need to see anymore. But looking at Mitchell, he's
Speaker 1: also still a player if you just go back to
Speaker 1: the analytical stuff. He never earned over an eighteen point
Speaker 1: one percent targets here at all in college, never finished
Speaker 1: a season with higher than one point seventy two yards
Speaker 1: per route run, and both of those metrics, I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking about Fitzy like targets are earned, and yeah,
Speaker 1: guys can go run out. The NFL is littered and
Speaker 1: the NFL draft history is littered with guys that have
Speaker 1: gone out and run four threes, four twos and done
Speaker 1: nothing in the NFL. Because the other part about wide
Speaker 1: receiver is, oh dear lord, there are other parts of
Speaker 1: it that you have to have as far as route
Speaker 1: running and other parts of your game to succeed. It's
Speaker 1: not just run fast and straight line, catch ball, score touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So Mitchell is a guy where I'm I'm just lower
Speaker 1: on the consensus. But speaking of you know where we're
Speaker 1: coming at, and on consensus on I know you've been itching,
Speaker 1: you've been pining to talk about this guy, Keon Coleman baby,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna lead this off with me giving
Speaker 1: my apology letter, but I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep
Speaker 1: it real.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep it one hundred here.
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman did not do anything at the combine that
Speaker 1: and I know I gave you tons of crap. We
Speaker 1: were just on our team trip in Nashville, and every
Speaker 1: time you and I linked up, whether it was the bar,
Speaker 1: the Airbnbs and stuff like that, we were walking by
Speaker 1: each other and You're like, Kean Coleman. I'm like, high fancy,
Speaker 1: what's up, Kean Coleman, Keon Coleman. The thing about Keon
Speaker 1: Coleman is he didn't do anything at the combine that
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting. Like I could shade him for running
Speaker 1: the four sixes, but the miles per hour backup that
Speaker 1: he's got game speed. I thought he was gonna jump
Speaker 1: out of the gym and he did that. Man thirty
Speaker 1: eight inch vert over ten feet for the broad Both
Speaker 1: of those were eighty seven percentile or higher.
Speaker 2: If you turn on the film.
Speaker 1: I'm still lower on him, just based off the route
Speaker 1: running process.
Speaker 2: Prowess, excuse me.
Speaker 1: But tell me why I should love Keon Coleman. Moore
Speaker 1: fits he yeah, I know that's your guy.
Speaker 3: That's your guy, and you you did after his four
Speaker 3: six two on his first attempt. I think you texted
Speaker 3: me his professional obituary immediately, or you're like, oh, it's.
Speaker 4: Called professional slighting.
Speaker 2: Okay, just just to put it out there.
Speaker 3: You're like, Keon four six two, no bueno. You know
Speaker 3: you're just like done with him. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he he does run that slow forty time, but then
Speaker 3: he goes out on the gauntlet drill and he hits
Speaker 3: what twenty point five twenty point seven miles per hour
Speaker 3: while running in a dead straight line as you're supposed
Speaker 3: to and making it look easy on the catches where
Speaker 3: you've got like Troy Franklin weaving around like uh, you
Speaker 3: know me on a Saturday night in college coming out
Speaker 3: of the bars. Franklin, that guy that hurt oh man,
Speaker 3: you saw him on that gauntlet drill, like, dude, I
Speaker 3: did stay on the stay on the line.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: So he's a different type of receiver. We all have
Speaker 3: our types, debro Right. It's just like life partners. We
Speaker 3: all have our types of receivers. And Keon Coleman is
Speaker 3: in that Mike Evans des Bryant phylum of ball skills.
Speaker 3: He is about the elite ball skills and not so
Speaker 3: much about the separation. He's never going to be an
Speaker 3: elite separator, but he does play fast. There is a
Speaker 3: reason why Florida State had him returning punts last fall.
Speaker 3: You know, if he was a complete slug as far
Speaker 3: as speed, he would not have been fielding punts. And yeah,
Speaker 3: like I this guy has made some electrifying plays. He
Speaker 3: played college basketball for Tom Izzoe at Michigan State, so we.
Speaker 4: Know he's got hops.
Speaker 3: I just have no doubts that it's six ' three,
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirteen with that kind of playing speed
Speaker 3: and his just phenomenal ball skills, Like if you throw
Speaker 3: it in the vicinity of him, He's most likely coming
Speaker 3: down with it a la Mike Evans. So I think
Speaker 3: he can be someone's classic Alf the X receiver. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll be surprised if he gets out of
Speaker 3: the first round.
Speaker 1: Honestly, well, he needs those ball skills because the route
Speaker 1: running chops in separation are just not their fitzy. But
Speaker 1: I digress, moving on, But a guy that can separate,
Speaker 1: I just had to get the dig there. But a
Speaker 1: guy that can separate and I will. I'm gonna own this, FITZI,
Speaker 1: we have not discussed Lad mconkie. You and I we
Speaker 1: talked about Kean Coleman for days and days and days,
Speaker 1: but we have not discussed Lad McConkie.
Speaker 2: Ladd.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he put me in a coffin as
Speaker 1: as a guy that I'm gonna go back to the
Speaker 1: tape on. I had serious concerns coming into the combine.
Speaker 1: Does he have the true straight line speed to take
Speaker 1: the top off of defense, because you've seen on film
Speaker 1: corners can hang with him on deep routes. But gez, FITZI,
Speaker 1: we're gonna four to three nine, dude, he had a
Speaker 1: ten yard split that was ninety third percentile. I did
Speaker 1: not see four to three speed for lad coming man,
Speaker 1: did you.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I thought it would be four to four something, honestly, okay,
Speaker 3: and I put.
Speaker 1: Him in the four to five like, I get it
Speaker 1: makes me a hater. I'm a hater, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see it coming man like with that considering the speed, man, like,
Speaker 1: did you move him up in your dynasty ranks right.
Speaker 2: Now for rookies or did he kind of just stay
Speaker 2: at the same.
Speaker 3: Spot yeah, I mean I've got him behind like Kean
Speaker 3: and Worthy, but I think I've got him at like
Speaker 3: wide receiver seven. Maybe that's exactly why I guess my
Speaker 3: hesitation with him is why were the numbers not better
Speaker 3: in college? Why did he in his final two seasons
Speaker 3: with the Georgia Bulldogs average three point seven catches and
Speaker 3: fifty one point seven receiving yards a game.
Speaker 4: He just was not a prolific producer at Georgia.
Speaker 3: But then again, I mean, like, who has had a
Speaker 3: better off season than lad McConkie at the senior ball
Speaker 3: in the combine and you watch the cutups of him
Speaker 3: like doing he is a route technician. There's no reason
Speaker 3: this guy shouldn't be good in Maybe he's gonna be
Speaker 3: one of those guys like Hunter Renfro, who and I
Speaker 3: know Hunter Renafro really only put up great numbers in
Speaker 3: one season, but Renfel was another guy who like didn't
Speaker 3: put up glistening numbers in college, but then translated really
Speaker 3: well to the NFL.
Speaker 4: So maybe Ladd is going to be in that kind
Speaker 4: of class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really curious, like where he's gonna go in
Speaker 1: the NFL draft. I think considering the combine showing like
Speaker 1: you can make like back into the first round, you
Speaker 1: can make a case for him in the back into
Speaker 1: the first round. After that type of showing, I think
Speaker 1: he more likely settles in as a second round pick
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. And I will push back against
Speaker 1: some of these things. I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1: this out there. Considering the testing though FITSI the side
Speaker 1: by side comparisons between Ladd mcconkey's testing and size versus
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. Look, I might be a lad hater, or
Speaker 1: at least like supposedly a LAD hater. I'm just be
Speaker 1: keeping it real here, man, Like, you cannot comp him
Speaker 1: to Garrett Wilson. They are two absolutely and total totally
Speaker 1: different players. So don't even like you can miss me
Speaker 1: with all that noise. But am I insane for that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Is that just a blasphemous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Garrett Wilson's a far better prospect. I mean he was.
Speaker 3: It's more, much more, much better college production, and just
Speaker 3: you could see it like that. Garrett Wilson could be
Speaker 3: an Alpha in the NFL. And I don't think Lad
Speaker 3: mcconki is going to be a complimentary receiver. Maybe a
Speaker 3: really good one, but like he's not going to be
Speaker 3: a fourteen hundred yard guy at any point in his career.
Speaker 4: I just can't say I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that he settles in as a strong wide
Speaker 1: receiver three or two for a team depending on the
Speaker 1: you know, the depth chart and stuff. And that's fine,
Speaker 1: Like it's okay, not all, not every prospect that comes out,
Speaker 1: like we're not expecting to be a wide receiver one
Speaker 1: for an NFL team, And that's fine. And that kind
Speaker 1: of leads us into the next guy we're going to
Speaker 1: discuss here, Ricky Piersoll that we're had a chance to
Speaker 1: talk to him at Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: Fantastic interview. Loved the kid.
Speaker 1: He went out and did himself nothing but favors. At
Speaker 1: the combine, man nine point seven ras ran a four
Speaker 1: to four. All the highlights are there, the one handed catches,
Speaker 1: the route running, all these types of things. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Piersal after this showing, because I'll be
Speaker 1: straight up FITZI like, I was surprised by these testing metrics.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that on film, and I think he
Speaker 1: really helped us stock here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a four to four to one at six one,
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty nine pounds impressive, And yeah, I
Speaker 3: think in a way, deepro he might benefit from coming
Speaker 3: out with this draft class because the last two, two,
Speaker 3: maybe three draft class class is just a wash in
Speaker 3: slot receivers and like not a lot of those big
Speaker 3: outside wide receivers. Now we've got a lot of the
Speaker 3: big outside guys in this class and not really many
Speaker 3: pure slot guys, and piersl is probably one of the
Speaker 3: few and one of the best. So yeah, like day
Speaker 3: two pick, without question, would you agree that's where he's going?
Speaker 5: I agree to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've had him as like a round three grade,
Speaker 2: So that's that's about where I put him. I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: A team's gonna have to love him to for him
Speaker 1: to go in the round two. Now, can it happen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it could happen. Only takes one team. I
Speaker 1: mean we saw, like just think of the last time
Speaker 1: around this time last year, FITZI was any of were
Speaker 1: any of us talking about Jayden Reid as a second
Speaker 1: round pick? No, So it only takes one team for
Speaker 1: Pearsal to go in the second round?
Speaker 2: Am I saying it's wrong? No? Am I?
Speaker 1: With all that hype and thinking that he goes in
Speaker 1: the second round. No, I think that he's a third
Speaker 1: round pick in the NFL draft. And you're talking about
Speaker 1: the big guys, the big body types. One of them
Speaker 1: that tested really well in Indy is an xavierly Get,
Speaker 1: a player that we did not see breakout at South
Speaker 1: Carolina until his final season. He made sweet music with
Speaker 1: him and Spencer Rattler, who again helped himself as well
Speaker 1: at the combine. But I mean, tell me your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the xavierly Get man. Because nine point nine Raz
Speaker 1: ran a four to three nine. A lot of people
Speaker 1: were extremely high.
Speaker 2: On his testing.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of back and forth when you marry that
Speaker 1: with the film and the analytics.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about Laget.
Speaker 3: Same four to three nine as you said in nine
Speaker 3: point nine rass at six one, two hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: one pounds. I mean, this guy is a specimen, including
Speaker 3: a forty inch vertical. So but at the same time,
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of a developmental guy Debro because
Speaker 3: he didn't do anything until he was a fifth year senior,
Speaker 3: playing in his age twenty two season against much younger defenders,
Speaker 3: and now he's twenty three and he's not a polished
Speaker 3: route runner by any stretch. I think he's a guy
Speaker 3: who is not going to pop as a rookie. He's
Speaker 3: just not going to There's there's too much work to
Speaker 3: be done. But with the right team, if they can
Speaker 3: develop him, like could be good in a year.
Speaker 4: Or two, a couple of years down the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a guy that's going to end
Speaker 1: up overdrafted. I mean, this is why we try to
Speaker 1: marry everything through the analyt the profile, you know. We
Speaker 1: look at all the different parts of pieces as well
Speaker 1: as the production and not just the testing stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and try to figure out what is the range of
Speaker 1: outcomes for these players. And I just think le Get's
Speaker 1: gonna probably get overdrafted because of the physical profile, because
Speaker 1: of what he did at the combine.
Speaker 2: I understand it.
Speaker 1: But again, a guy that I'm probably not gonna be
Speaker 1: looking for in rookie drafts, and I think NFL teams
Speaker 1: are probably gonna fall a little bit too much in
Speaker 1: love with the testing stuff.
Speaker 2: But staying on the testing man, we got to.
Speaker 1: Talk about Lut McCaffrey, the lesser Noel McCaffrey amongst the
Speaker 1: McCaffrey brothers, a guy that started out a quarterback, switched
Speaker 1: to wide receiver, really put up some good numbers at Rice,
Speaker 1: and then he's Honestly, I'm not gonna say he's a
Speaker 1: my guy, but a player that I really liked, and
Speaker 1: especially see him at Senior Bowl. For me, with McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: you put him in the slot asking to be his
Speaker 1: own coverage. I think he can absolutely do that, and
Speaker 1: he helped himself at the combine. We're in a four
Speaker 1: to four, six nine point five, nine point five ras.
Speaker 1: He was one of the rare guys that did all
Speaker 1: the short areas stuff because he knew he was gonna
Speaker 1: go out there and crush it. His shuttle ninety six
Speaker 1: percentile fitsy three cone ninety fourth percentile. So he's a
Speaker 1: guy that I think, like, look, if he gets the
Speaker 1: third or fourth round capital, I'm going to be looking
Speaker 1: for him in the back end of rookie drafts.
Speaker 2: Do you have any kind of love for McCaffrey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would just echo everything you said, Debro.
Speaker 3: And he's six to two, which is nice. He's taller
Speaker 3: than his older brother and not quite as tall as
Speaker 3: his dad. Easy Ed McCaffrey, who was what like six '
Speaker 3: five but you know, it's nice to have the bigger
Speaker 3: slot type like that six ' two, a guy who
Speaker 3: can who is the reach to haul in a ball
Speaker 3: that's maybe not thrown right on target out of the slot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like him a lot. Pretty much on
Speaker 3: board with everything you just said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my conference is Jacoby Myers two point zero, so
Speaker 1: we'll see if it comes for a wish.
Speaker 2: But I like the kid a lot.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, and it's not just the
Speaker 1: easy quarterback layup. You know, we're trying to get you know,
Speaker 1: different out here. But speaking of different profiles, dude, I
Speaker 1: mean you talked about a lot of guys in this
Speaker 1: class that are big boundary. The receivers can play physical
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: One of the guys that's.
Speaker 1: Screaming up boards right now after his combine showing Leak Washington. Now,
Speaker 1: I know the seven point six raz doesn't like just
Speaker 1: jump off the page.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about a lot of guys that are
Speaker 2: in the nines.
Speaker 1: But ran a four to four to seven as far
Speaker 1: as the forty yard goes. His vert and his broad
Speaker 1: jump were both ninety seven percent excuse me, eighty seven
Speaker 1: percentile or higher, and his final year statistics, FITZI were
Speaker 1: just eye popping. What do you see in Malik Washington
Speaker 1: doing in the NFL? Is he a second round pick?
Speaker 1: Third round pick? Or do you think he goes later?
Speaker 3: Maybe late third more likely. I think he goes sometime
Speaker 3: in the fourth. Again, it was interesting. He really didn't
Speaker 3: do much at Northwestern. But unlike Xavier Legatt, where it's
Speaker 3: hard to explain why he didn't do anything until he
Speaker 3: was a fifth year senior, it's a little easier for
Speaker 3: Malik Washington because by the time Elik Washington was an
Speaker 3: upper classman at Northwestern, their quarterbacks situation was hot garbage
Speaker 3: juice basically. Then he goes to Virginia and becomes this
Speaker 3: absolute alpha fourteen hundred and twenty six yards at Virginia basketball.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was a premium producer for the Cavs. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued, and he was a guy who was really,
Speaker 3: I mean totally not on my radar at all. I
Speaker 3: was familiar with him from his Northwestern days because that's
Speaker 3: right in my backyard, but I did not see his
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season coming, and it definitely puts him
Speaker 3: on NFL teams radars.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so too, man.
Speaker 1: I think he could be a great value as far
Speaker 1: as looking at the NFL draft teams that need a
Speaker 1: slot wide receiver eighty seven percent in the slot last year,
Speaker 1: second in PFF receiving grade, so the numbers are there,
Speaker 1: and looking at his numbers and his size and his
Speaker 1: speed profile versus a monster, a mountain of a man
Speaker 1: getting back to the bigger boundary guys. Johnny Wilson, I
Speaker 1: just he is a guy that I have been enamored
Speaker 1: with this entire process. Six foot six, two point thirty
Speaker 1: one FITSI goes out and runs a four or five
Speaker 1: to two test, just unbelievable and basically everything. He even
Speaker 1: did the shuttle dude eighty seven percentile a four.
Speaker 2: Point one point one short shuttle.
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson is somebody people need to be circling on
Speaker 1: their draft boards looking for. If you again, if you're
Speaker 1: doing mock drafts, I think he's gonna fall probably third
Speaker 1: round of rookie drafts. And count count me in, count
Speaker 1: me is intrigued. I think the ceiling is there, But
Speaker 1: what do you see out of Johnny Wilson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people should be doing mock drafts on our mock
Speaker 3: draft simulator which you mentioned earlier, Debro, but that is
Speaker 3: a good warm up for U. And you know we
Speaker 3: are tweaking our rookie rankings, so those rookie rankings fuel
Speaker 3: our mock draft simulator for our rookie draft, so you know,
Speaker 3: take advantage. It's gonna change, is things, draft capital changes,
Speaker 3: That's gonna change a lot of things, so that'll affect it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Wilson is interesting, Debro, because I mean, is he going
Speaker 3: to wind up being another Devin Funches where there's just
Speaker 3: not a fit And I hate to bring that name up,
Speaker 3: like that's probably unfair to Johnny Wilson. It's easy to
Speaker 3: see him if he gets classified as a tight end
Speaker 3: having a Derek Darren Waller type career arc because like
Speaker 3: that's I think that's the obvious comp But Waller was
Speaker 3: a tight end.
Speaker 2: That's my comp yep.
Speaker 3: And like Wilson, you know what sort of eligibility is
Speaker 3: he going to get on our platforms for fantasy as
Speaker 3: a rookie. Is he going to be like Marcus Colston
Speaker 3: where he gets classified as a tight.
Speaker 4: End in year one?
Speaker 3: That would be really nice because I don't know if
Speaker 3: he is going to if he's purely considered a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much he's going to move the needle.
Speaker 3: For fantasy, honestly, like I want to see him get
Speaker 3: tight end eligibility.
Speaker 1: No, And we also did, I mean thorn I talked
Speaker 1: about this in mobile like where teams going to ask him.
Speaker 1: We did get some kind of inklings from the combine.
Speaker 1: The teams at least were scratching around the tight end stuff.
Speaker 1: And I know Johnny Wilson kind of shot that down
Speaker 1: as far as in questions stuff on the podium, which
Speaker 1: I get it. He wants to play wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: I understand that. I can respect that, But the elite
Speaker 1: upside path, the path to you getting better draft capital,
Speaker 1: maybe going instead of the fourth round of the third round,
Speaker 1: it's all there.
Speaker 2: If you move to tight end. Now will he do that?
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: I'm still in on him as a wide receiver because
Speaker 1: the kid can play, and I think that especially you're
Speaker 1: looking at a guy that at.
Speaker 2: That size should not be able to move that way.
Speaker 1: So if he is thrown into the tight end mix,
Speaker 1: he would be my clear tight end two. But if
Speaker 1: we're not talking about him in that ilk, then I
Speaker 1: still think the conversation for tight end two in this
Speaker 1: class is wide open fits he. So with these last
Speaker 1: few final names, man like, we got to talk about
Speaker 1: it the tight end two conversation for this class, especially
Speaker 1: looking at what Jatavian Sanders did at the combine, I
Speaker 1: think it's fully wide open, man Like. Sanders didn't just
Speaker 1: cement that for me, and I'm not saying. And then
Speaker 1: he went on and had a bad combine eight point zero,
Speaker 1: raz ran a four six nine. He did measure in
Speaker 1: fine like six three, two forty five. But you tell
Speaker 1: me out of this final bucket of tight ends. So
Speaker 1: Jatavian Sanders, Theo Johnson, Bensonnatt and jaheem Bell, all of
Speaker 1: these guys varying testing. If it's not Jatavian Sanders, and
Speaker 1: I want your take on him, roll fast. But if
Speaker 1: he's not the tight end two, which one of these
Speaker 1: guys are you gonna put your chips behind for tight
Speaker 1: end two?
Speaker 3: So Jatavian still is my tight end two just because
Speaker 3: of what I saw of him at Texas, Like I'm
Speaker 3: convinced like he's the second best pass catching tight end
Speaker 3: behind Brock Bauers. Okay, in this tight end class, like
Speaker 3: THEO Johnson is fascinating, especially since I know our guy
Speaker 3: Scott there at over at Fantasy Points has done some
Speaker 3: really good work suggesting that athleticism is the best predictor
Speaker 3: of how tight ends are going to do in the NFL.
Speaker 4: And here's THEO Johnson putting up.
Speaker 3: A perfect ten relative athletic score unning a four point
Speaker 3: five seven at six six, two hundred and fifty nine pounds.
Speaker 4: But then again, his best season at Penn.
Speaker 3: State last year thirty four catches for three hundred and
Speaker 3: forty one yards, seven touchdowns. But then again, I don't
Speaker 3: want to hold the Penn State offense against THEO Johnson
Speaker 3: because let's just say, if you watch Penn State enough,
Speaker 3: there are some things about that offense that are somewhat counterintuitive.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like he was a total afterthought for me,
Speaker 3: and now I think he's absolutely gonna get picked in
Speaker 3: every rookie draft and probably like in the fourth round. Now,
Speaker 3: and you know, sanat, let's not overlook him. A nine
Speaker 3: point seventy five relative athletics scorer at six four, two
Speaker 3: fifty and he did have a very productive last year
Speaker 3: at Kansas State six hundred and seventy six yards and
Speaker 3: six touchdowns forty nine receptions, So he's interesting.
Speaker 4: Jeem Bell, like, his testing was fine?
Speaker 3: What eight point five rass four point six one dash
Speaker 3: at two hundred and forty one fine?
Speaker 2: But for his size did right?
Speaker 1: You also walk away feeling like because they listed him
Speaker 1: as six to two. Now if you go back to
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, he measured in at six ' one and
Speaker 1: some change.
Speaker 2: So depending on where.
Speaker 1: That that needle gets moved to, is gonna change his testing.
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, Jaeen Bell's analytical profile is fantastic.
Speaker 2: His testing and his size, I'm probably out on him.
Speaker 2: But am I wrong? Fitzy?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I mean I think, like, no way can he be
Speaker 3: an in line tight end, and like I don't even
Speaker 3: know if he's a classic move tight end.
Speaker 4: He might be more of an HPAC type guy still.
Speaker 2: Too tall for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just he's kind of a weird fit and
Speaker 3: I would have to be really excited about his landing.
Speaker 3: Spider would have to be like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: the Chiefs or some team with a really creative play
Speaker 3: caller would have to take Jaem Bell for me to
Speaker 3: be interested in taking him in a rookie draft.
Speaker 2: I'm with you too.
Speaker 1: I think he's more kind of like the poor man's
Speaker 1: Micahseki in the sense of like he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: move tight end, but he doesn't have the size nor
Speaker 1: the athletic to really necessitate or say Okay, that role
Speaker 1: is mine and to keep it.
Speaker 2: He's just kind of a tweener guy.
Speaker 1: And that's where I've been, And I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if he's a tweener guy, he needs to go out
Speaker 1: and just test amazingly to justify. Like he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I think, like, considering the size and all everything else,
Speaker 1: his usage and stuff, he needs to switch to wide
Speaker 1: receiver or we're gonna see his draft stock possibly plummet.
Speaker 2: Fitsie.
Speaker 1: But I mean, what do you think? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you do you think there's a world where jaheem Bell
Speaker 1: could fall to the fifth round?
Speaker 2: Because I think it easily could happen.
Speaker 4: He could. I mean.
Speaker 3: The name that keeps coming to mind with him now
Speaker 3: is Josiah Deguara, the Packers took unwisely in the third
Speaker 3: round in twenty twenty, and you know, haven't haven't figured
Speaker 3: out what to do with him yet, and like a
Speaker 3: guy who's just not good enough to really be featured
Speaker 3: in an offense.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not being kind enough to Jaheim Bell, but like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I still to remain open to see
Speaker 3: where the landing spot, like whether we like the landing spot.
Speaker 4: But as of now, I'm pretty disinterested.
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard for Dugard to get on the field
Speaker 1: when you have new studs in there, just like Tuck
Speaker 1: of Craft. So I mean, I understand it's hard to
Speaker 1: getta snaps when you have studs there. But again, Thorn
Speaker 1: missing this show. We're missing some studs here on this show.
Speaker 1: Thank you again, FITZI for stopping by.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, we ran through a ton of players in
Speaker 1: this show. Talk about all the combine stuff.
Speaker 2: Again.
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