Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is j n V Jess hilarious,
Speaker 2: Schela mean the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We
Speaker 2: got a special guest in the buildings. Indeed TI tribute.
Speaker 2: Welcome brother, Thanks having me.
Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Y'all?
Speaker 2: Congratulations They just won a Grammy twenty twenty four Grammy
Speaker 2: for this gospel album.
Speaker 1: So congratulations. Yeah, three in total. Man, I'm so hype
Speaker 1: about that and excited. You know, Uh, it wasn't needed,
Speaker 1: but it's it's appreciated.
Speaker 3: Do you pray for stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Noah? I used to. Okay, Okay, I used to, but
Speaker 1: I had to get my you know, uh, the reason
Speaker 1: why I do what I do. I had to get
Speaker 1: that in order. I had to you know, yeah, intention exactly.
Speaker 1: Last year I was nominated for two Grammys, and I
Speaker 1: just knew I was gonna walk away with at least one.
Speaker 1: And when I walked away with none, it was like
Speaker 1: a soul check for me, Like, all right, well, why
Speaker 1: do you do what you do? Bro? You gotta just
Speaker 1: just kind of re evaluate all of that stuff. So
Speaker 1: I kind of like stopped needing it or stop wanting it.
Speaker 1: So bad and stopped so ambitiously going for it just
Speaker 1: to the reason why I do what I do, have
Speaker 1: fun doing it. Bless the people, show love, give him
Speaker 1: Christ and uh this year when I walked away with it, Yo,
Speaker 1: we literally sat like in the back. Because the Gospels,
Speaker 1: they don't present the gospel on the on the grammy,
Speaker 1: we got the pre warn they could do. It was
Speaker 1: like nine o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I had to wake up on early. And we went
Speaker 1: to the pre show and it's open seating there, so
Speaker 1: you can see anywhere you want. So my manager like, YO,
Speaker 1: come on, let's let's go to the front. Bro. I'm like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit back here. We're gonna take an
Speaker 1: l I don't like that long walk of shame. It's
Speaker 1: too far, so let's just stay close to the exit.
Speaker 1: So we was in the back chill, and I got
Speaker 1: it all on video and they called on everybody's name.
Speaker 1: Of course when they call my name, I was like
Speaker 1: what because I was really content. I had to learn
Speaker 1: really just to be content, because you know, being overly
Speaker 1: ambitious is rob your gratitude. Then you just get on
Speaker 1: and feel like going down that rabbit hole, so you
Speaker 1: have to take that long walk up to the stage.
Speaker 1: I had to take that. I was running like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, trying to figure out what I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: on the way because I literally didn't respect to win,
Speaker 1: but you know I was gonna beat. Had to show
Speaker 1: them how to be a good, sore loser in christ.
Speaker 4: But I'm just proud of you every time you nominated.
Speaker 4: Thirteen nomination is that crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So even without winning the awards, I'm like, you're recognized
Speaker 5: like by so many to be nominated thirteen times.
Speaker 4: True?
Speaker 1: True, I love that. After a while, you just get
Speaker 1: used to I should start celebrating the nominations, you know
Speaker 1: what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, because it's a lot of people that don't make
Speaker 5: it there either exactly or.
Speaker 1: You just pile up the l Yeah thirteen but I
Speaker 1: lost them.
Speaker 4: No, yeah albums. Your work touched a lot of souls.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, you know.
Speaker 4: To me, I love that.
Speaker 1: I love doing what I do and why I do it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. People leave my shows, they're
Speaker 1: not just turned up, but they got hope, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They got inspiration, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And they're healing and all of that's taking place. So
Speaker 1: I love what I do and why I do it. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a blessing.
Speaker 3: And you're from Camden, Camden, New Jersey, bro and you
Speaker 3: lived there your whole life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Florida, then Houston for a year in Florida. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so growing up in Can then you know, well, if
Speaker 1: you don't know, y'all should know here. You know New York,
Speaker 1: y'all know about Can.
Speaker 3: Now to ask God why?
Speaker 1: So many days I have got why? But I had to.
Speaker 1: I had to get it in the trenches. I had
Speaker 1: to learn in the gun how to. I had to
Speaker 1: learn how to be in the valley before you be
Speaker 1: in the mountain. You know what I'm saying. So so
Speaker 1: I can know what it is to struggle, so I
Speaker 1: can know what it is to be impoverished. So I
Speaker 1: can know what it is you know what I mean
Speaker 1: to be underprivileged. So when it happened for me, I
Speaker 1: could reach back and say, hey, this is how you
Speaker 1: do it, This is how you come up and help others.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I think it takes people like you, because when I
Speaker 3: see somebody like you have the success that they have
Speaker 3: from Camden, you really don't hear a lot of good
Speaker 3: things about Cam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for real, this murder capital of the world sometime,
Speaker 1: or the most violent city. I remember those stats growing up, like, hey,
Speaker 1: Cam's on the map. We in the newspaper for what,
Speaker 1: oh most violent city? You know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: not in Baltimore. Probably not too different. No shade to Baltimore. Love,
Speaker 1: I love, yeah, everybody you know coming up coming out
Speaker 1: of that, you know, I'm glad I had like the
Speaker 1: little family church. We had, little fifty member family church
Speaker 1: that we had just kept us ground and kept us focused.
Speaker 1: And I was just like tunnel vision the whole time,
Speaker 1: and slowly but surely I just saw myself not like
Speaker 1: my surroundings. Now, that was a challenge in itself, because
Speaker 1: you don't know you're different until you know you different,
Speaker 1: And then you know you got family to deal with
Speaker 1: and friends to deal with who are like, oh, don't
Speaker 1: change on us, d da da da. But bro, if
Speaker 1: I don't change, I can't help you, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that was a challenge for me at
Speaker 1: a very young age, knowing I can now when I
Speaker 1: was talented, knowing I could play, knowing I could do
Speaker 1: music and knowing it was what's the word extraordinary, It
Speaker 1: wasn't just normal. So that change was a challenge, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that all things work together were good.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: With being a gospel singer, do you feel like it's
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on you where it's almost like
Speaker 2: people look at your life differently right, Like it's almost
Speaker 2: like they want you to be perfect. Did you have
Speaker 2: a hard time dealing with that?
Speaker 1: Dealt with that before I became a gospel artist. So
Speaker 1: speaking of growing up in this small church, my grandmother
Speaker 1: was the pastor. First, my dad was on the organ.
Speaker 1: I'm watching him every Sunday, like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: guy is amazing. I start playing. Then he became the pastor.
Speaker 1: So I got that pressure as a PK the perfection,
Speaker 1: all of that, all of that. I got all of
Speaker 1: that pressures as a young kid, like twelve nine when
Speaker 1: I was. Since I was, since I've been born, spotlight
Speaker 1: has been on me to be the poster child for
Speaker 1: what Christ is. I'm like, yo, the worst why pressure though?
Speaker 3: Because of the damn too much hand comes leads the rebellion.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, what I mean that legalism and that
Speaker 1: religious structure. It leads to like, yo, I'm not cut
Speaker 1: out for this. I didn't sign up for this. Y'all
Speaker 1: sign up for this, and the expectation is too much
Speaker 1: for me. Yo, So I just rebel. People go completely
Speaker 1: opposite of the ways that their parents bring them up
Speaker 1: when you bring them up too strict. I came up
Speaker 1: the same way. I had the pressure of perfection and
Speaker 1: I tried to live up to it until my parents
Speaker 1: got a divorce and I'm like, WHOA. In my day
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, it's normal now every day,
Speaker 1: it happens every day. Back then, it was like a
Speaker 1: culture shock for me. It shattered my whole world. I
Speaker 1: was like, bump the church. Then, what I'm doing there?
Speaker 1: Why am I being fable to God in it? Man?
Speaker 1: My dad? I'm out, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: when I went to all the clubs, did all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't dance though, I just played at all the clubs.
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I still didn random smoked. I
Speaker 1: just went and played the keyboard at all the club
Speaker 1: for like music soul Child Jill Scott. Everybody in the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia area of the roots and all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: I'm in there playing hymns to the beasts. They don't
Speaker 1: even know what I'm doing. But I kind of had
Speaker 1: my little rebellious moment during that time, just to find
Speaker 1: out who I am outside of y'all expectations. Man, I said,
Speaker 1: of who y'all saying God is to me, let me
Speaker 1: find them for myself. Let me figure out who you're
Speaker 1: for myself. And it's been the most liberating thing. And
Speaker 1: I've been walking in that since.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a journey, and that's a formal
Speaker 3: liberation every human has to experience in their life. You
Speaker 3: and you should like strive to feel that.
Speaker 1: No literally, whether you're religious or a church or not.
Speaker 1: Just the family, just family bond, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Bloods all of that family can bind you. Bro Family
Speaker 1: can keep you stuck in a level that you never
Speaker 1: supposed to be in for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: People who love you can bind you through their care,
Speaker 1: through their love, through their expectations, through manipulation, through emotional manipulation.
Speaker 1: It's a whole lot of things that keep us from
Speaker 1: being who we're supposed to be in this earth because
Speaker 1: of other people's expectations and demand. So I'm all about freedom, man.
Speaker 1: My My whole life is freedom. My whole mantra is
Speaker 1: about freedom. So when you when you you know, contact
Speaker 1: me or hear my music, people think it's energy. I
Speaker 1: like to call it the spirit of freedom, man, liberating everybody,
Speaker 1: and you need that. When you don't know you bound,
Speaker 1: that's the worst. When you don't know you're bound, that
Speaker 1: is the worst. When you become used to being manipulated,
Speaker 1: used to being controlled, used to being used. You can
Speaker 1: either be used or loved. You can't be both. You
Speaker 1: could either be used or love. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people are being used and not realizing they're not experiencing
Speaker 1: true love man. So they just just get used to
Speaker 1: being used, like all right, I'll do this for you,
Speaker 1: I'll come through for you, I'll do it whenever you
Speaker 1: call me, I'm there. And they think that's that's love.
Speaker 1: But a lot of them are being used.
Speaker 3: Did a lot of those triggers resurface in your marriage
Speaker 3: when you separated?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Well me and my wife separated.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was bad, yo, it was.
Speaker 1: It was very very bad for me because I didn't
Speaker 1: think my whole thing when my father messed up with
Speaker 1: my dad, I'm like, I ain't never gonna be like him.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do that. No, no, no, So I
Speaker 1: went the pride way. So my heart just really was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I got more exposure than
Speaker 1: he ever got. I got more notiot than he ever got.
Speaker 1: And I'm still ain't gonna do what he did. I'm
Speaker 1: still letting that pride comes before a fall. And I
Speaker 1: fell hard and I moved to La. My wife was
Speaker 1: in Jersey. We just separated. I ain't think we will ever,
Speaker 1: you know, get back together again. I was just out
Speaker 1: there working on me. She was out there. She was
Speaker 1: out there working on her, not really trying to get
Speaker 1: the marriage back together. And I think when you try
Speaker 1: to do that too soon, sometimes you damage you know,
Speaker 1: you damage it because you just your point is just
Speaker 1: to try to get them get back together, but not
Speaker 1: work on you, because you still got stuff you got
Speaker 1: to work I still have stuff I had to work on.
Speaker 1: I still had weaknesses I had to work on. And
Speaker 1: so I'm out there working on me. She's working on her.
Speaker 1: I'm praying, she's praying, and God kind of just brought
Speaker 1: our hearts back together. But through that whole time, I
Speaker 1: realized my mortality, I realized my humanism, I realized my weaknesses.
Speaker 1: I realized who I was for real, Like this religious perspective.
Speaker 1: I became that like like now I'm a pastor, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't say I'm a pastor. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just a child of God with the asignment. You understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm a child of God who got
Speaker 1: something to say to a certain group of people. I
Speaker 1: don't become my assignment. You understand what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: that's the world today. If I were to meet you
Speaker 1: in the street, the first thing I'll say is what
Speaker 1: do you do? Not who are you? You understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I think we lose who we are
Speaker 1: and what we do. And that's what I did. I
Speaker 1: got lost in all of that and I forgot who
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Now. I read that you you you battled with deep
Speaker 3: depression during that time. Yeah, contmpleted suicide. What got you
Speaker 3: out of that?
Speaker 1: Literally, what got me out of suicide initially was just people.
Speaker 1: It was just people around me too much. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get by myself. It was just always Literally it wasn't
Speaker 1: my prayer life. It wasn't the Holy Goos, it was Pep,
Speaker 1: it was physical people around me. Ty you good time
Speaker 1: you want to eat TI. I'm like, cause y'all just
Speaker 1: leaves like a pop these pillscause, y'all just leaves like
Speaker 1: to try to do all this stuff. But depression is
Speaker 1: a deep, deep, deep dark spirit, man, And I'm glad
Speaker 1: that I had people around me to help me get
Speaker 1: through that season. Man. Just all those thoughts and all
Speaker 1: those suggestions that come to us, man, and we feel
Speaker 1: like it's us. I love that I call them. I
Speaker 1: call them well. I had a little series that I
Speaker 1: called Ghostbusters, right, so, because there's other ghosts besides the
Speaker 1: Holy ghosts. And if you don't differentiate what ghosts is
Speaker 1: speaking to you, bro, you could be lost in that
Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole of depression, suicide, stress, all of these things.
Speaker 1: My issue is we let all these ghosts talk to us,
Speaker 1: and we do what they say, and we take on
Speaker 1: the moves and the and the and the attitudes of
Speaker 1: all these voices that are speaking to us. Therapy helps,
Speaker 1: counseling helps, but ultimately the spirit of God is the
Speaker 1: only one that could really you know, deliver us and
Speaker 1: rescue us from that man. And I had I had that.
Speaker 1: I had that, but I was there, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe I was there. I love my life, I love
Speaker 1: my wife. I love I thought I was I thought
Speaker 1: I was good. But then when tragedy hits you and
Speaker 1: you just can't take it and you just feel like
Speaker 1: you have no other option. It was really the embarrassment.
Speaker 1: It was really the pride of everybody know who I am.
Speaker 1: It really wasn't life was so hard. It was how
Speaker 1: I saw myself and how I thought I was. So
Speaker 1: when you just drop who you are, like yo, when
Speaker 1: you just just just kill who you think you are, man,
Speaker 1: just be nothing. The Bible says, uh uh, he who
Speaker 1: seeks to save his life will lose it. But if
Speaker 1: you lose your life, you'll gain it. So I lost
Speaker 1: the celebrity side of me. I lost the God's artists.
Speaker 1: I lost I like, forget being the father, forget being
Speaker 1: a husband, forget all these things I think I am.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just tired right now. And then that's
Speaker 1: when salvation begin to come, because.
Speaker 5: You really are bigger than your image, and it was
Speaker 5: all in the image that you were living in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's not that's not social media today.
Speaker 1: You are your image today. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You are, you are who you post today.
Speaker 5: So that's why it's also a lot of suicide out
Speaker 5: of a lot of depression, a lot more than we
Speaker 5: see it.
Speaker 1: You know how challenging it is it to be to
Speaker 1: be on social media? You understand what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: know some people who will never be beyond the camera
Speaker 1: without they lashes on, or who will never get on
Speaker 1: there without certain things. So how challenging is it to
Speaker 1: be your authentic self on social media? I don't think
Speaker 1: or onto the world. I don't think people are ready
Speaker 1: to bear that nakedness, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna take somebody who's understaning to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is me and love me or leave me and
Speaker 1: just run the risk of that. But I don't think
Speaker 1: people are ready for that.
Speaker 4: I did that early.
Speaker 5: I got a little it's a little ponytail.
Speaker 1: It's still going around you trying to get it off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying get it off now, but I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: that's that's when I first started, and it was out
Speaker 5: there they put T shirt put it on T shirts
Speaker 5: and everything.
Speaker 4: Like, Jess, it was a lot of I sold out,
Speaker 4: but I was like, you know what this know you down.
Speaker 1: But that's what I loved about you, Jess. That's what
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 3: Understand what I'm saying, Jeff, don't give them right right?
Speaker 1: Would you do it? Though? You you admire that, but
Speaker 1: would you do it? Would you do it.
Speaker 3: If I had the ponty that you would?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: There's a picture's a picture of Charlamagne with here and
Speaker 2: look kind of like it starts back here.
Speaker 1: But you never posted that. I got to see that.
Speaker 3: I think you and your whole situation is just a
Speaker 3: testament to the glory of God. You, you and your
Speaker 3: wife together.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, she's right here, right behind me. Man. She
Speaker 1: survived the car.
Speaker 3: Y'all been through a.
Speaker 1: Lot, a whole a whole, a whole lot. It seemed
Speaker 1: like a series of unfortunate events, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And her life, I mean, it's just it just it
Speaker 1: just starts from I'm gonna say it starts from birth.
Speaker 1: Everybody's life starts from but with the with growing up
Speaker 1: with parents like I had, and she was basically fatherless,
Speaker 1: for a long period of time. You grow up with
Speaker 1: a whole lot of unmet needs. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You have needs as a child that you should have
Speaker 1: met that you don't have met. Security, protection, encouragement, validation,
Speaker 1: all of these things. We we affection. We have to
Speaker 1: grow up without that, right, So now we got to
Speaker 1: make the choice of either like living without it or
Speaker 1: killing the desire period. So now we commit what we call,
Speaker 1: my man Tim Fletcher calls sole suicide. So you commit
Speaker 1: sole suicide because as a child of three year old,
Speaker 1: I need affection. I don't know I need it, but
Speaker 1: naturally I need it. And if I don't get it,
Speaker 1: I just killed the desire for it. So now I'm
Speaker 1: in a relationship and I don't know how to be
Speaker 1: affection you understand what I'm saying. Or I got kids
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to show that because I've
Speaker 1: been killed that. So now we're trying to like restore
Speaker 1: those things and trying to do it in the context
Speaker 1: of marriage. I married her at eighteen. I was twenty one,
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a kid. Those are kids when
Speaker 1: I look at them ages now I'm like, man, it
Speaker 1: was a kid, that little really little kid.
Speaker 3: We huh, how long y'all been together?
Speaker 1: Twenty eight? Now? Yeah, that twenty eight years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife twenty six over being his wife thirty on?
Speaker 1: Congrass bro. So y'all know what I'm talking about. Listen.
Speaker 3: I relate to your story so much, even when you
Speaker 3: talk about how you know what you saw in your
Speaker 3: father and not wanting to be like that, yeah, and
Speaker 3: then finding out that you became just like that later.
Speaker 3: Do you understand?
Speaker 1: Do you understand? Man? That's like a that's like a
Speaker 1: that's like a it's like a shock to your whole
Speaker 1: to your whole system.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: You got to do a whole lot of rewiring man.
Speaker 1: And my thing is, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: know they need help. Where they go to get help
Speaker 1: is just as important as knowing you need help. So
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So therapists and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: I think that I think that's all is great. But
Speaker 1: I like to go to the source. I like to
Speaker 1: go to the creator, and I believe God is the
Speaker 1: creative of all of us. If you don't turn to God, man,
Speaker 1: you'll get a bandon, you'll get medicated. But the real
Speaker 1: healing is in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: I believe in God and therapy me too too, and
Speaker 3: plant based medicine and healing and meditation.
Speaker 1: And I can't with you, but I feel I am
Speaker 1: mad at you. Bro. I ain't hear the judge at all.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just feel like when something else
Speaker 1: becomes your source, something else is your source, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's the scary part to me.
Speaker 1: I don't want another thing besides God to be my source.
Speaker 1: Everything could be a resource. And if God leads me
Speaker 1: to that, fine, But if I just choose it, I
Speaker 1: could damage myself and my life and what I want
Speaker 1: and desire to do or be in life.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about some of the It
Speaker 2: seems like for a while, maybe the last ten years,
Speaker 2: it seems like being a pastor was cool, right, So
Speaker 2: it was like.
Speaker 1: Like everybody wanted to be a rapper, everybody wanted to
Speaker 1: be a podcast host. At least, like a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people wanted to be a pastor for the
Speaker 2: wrong reasons. Yeah, how do you feel about.
Speaker 1: That you missed that pastor? Or remember the past you know, man,
Speaker 1: it was building them huge churches, everybody was. I think
Speaker 1: the pastor phenomenon came from oh Man, getting money, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things.
Speaker 3: You can speak to them more.
Speaker 5: But I think getting money in the church and how
Speaker 5: you look and how you're praised is and you forget
Speaker 5: that he's supposed to be praised, but he praise you
Speaker 5: and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I see a lot of Instagram paces out there,
Speaker 4: but you know it is you.
Speaker 1: You killed that whole thing. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: pastors were not called the pastor. They just you know, study,
Speaker 1: you go to school and then you just become a pastor,
Speaker 1: like you become a manager at you know, publics or
Speaker 1: something like that. And that's that's unfortunate for a lot
Speaker 1: of people who invest their you know, money, time, attention,
Speaker 1: and their soul into people who they believe are literally
Speaker 1: called from God. I don't believe a lot of pastors are.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a system. Now on God,
Speaker 1: It's a system. Everything is a system, and systems work
Speaker 1: with or without God. So I think the institution of
Speaker 1: church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack.
Speaker 1: I think the religious system and structure is whack. I
Speaker 1: don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it,
Speaker 1: I benefited from it. But I learned that God is
Speaker 1: not the church. And once I realized whoa God? Ain't
Speaker 1: church for me? You know what I mean? I ain't
Speaker 1: from the streets. I'm from the church. So that was
Speaker 1: a huge thing as well.
Speaker 3: It's in the Bibles say you can't even find God
Speaker 3: in the man made.
Speaker 1: Why don't we read that?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: How often do you hear that sermon?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: You hear people pastors make the people about the church.
Speaker 1: We got the church name we Church and the church
Speaker 1: and the bumper stick of the church.
Speaker 6: The church should be about the people. The church should
Speaker 6: be about the people. But the church makes the people
Speaker 6: about the church. So all churches now are a movement,
Speaker 6: but they're not about the people. They're not about serving
Speaker 6: and loving the people.
Speaker 1: So I just kind of pulled that. We online right now.
Speaker 1: We're not even in the building, a physical building or
Speaker 1: nothing like that. So Live Church, shout out to Live Church.
Speaker 1: I love y'all so much, Live Church, Orlando. We're online
Speaker 1: right now. And because we had an issue with a building,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, hold up, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Like do we need a bit like you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like in order to do what we need
Speaker 1: to do affect people, serve and love and minister. I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at everything differently at this point because the
Speaker 1: church structure has really I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who won't even go to church. Honestly, when the
Speaker 1: last time y'all been to church?
Speaker 3: I go every Sunday on TV and go bedside Baptist.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like watching Potter's House online.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, wait to.
Speaker 4: Jump down here through and be like, no, you don't.
Speaker 1: Every Sunday. But why not?
Speaker 3: Honestly, is because it's not too many churches that speak
Speaker 3: to my spirit. I really do like what they do
Speaker 3: in the Potter's House. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: annoying in that church from Bishop td Jake's Jake Roberts
Speaker 3: the Truth to tore. So even when I'm in Dallas,
Speaker 3: if I'm now on like you go today, I'll stay
Speaker 3: just to go on like.
Speaker 1: This you physically go, oh absolutely, what about you?
Speaker 2: For me, it's I used to hate going to church
Speaker 2: as a kid, right because Baptist Church is staying there
Speaker 2: for or five hours, especially if somebody's getting baptized, you
Speaker 2: got to dress up.
Speaker 4: So it made me.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily love it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And I noticed that with my kids when I took
Speaker 2: him to church, it became mature.
Speaker 1: I gotta get dressed. I got this.
Speaker 2: But now on Sunday morning, we can cook breakfast together,
Speaker 2: sit down on the couch and watch it and it's comfortable.
Speaker 2: They gotta get dressed. They ain't got mammy an gotta
Speaker 2: do the kids here. Yeah, they ain't got to make
Speaker 2: sure things are right because they got to sit there. Now,
Speaker 2: it's not that at all. It's all about the church,
Speaker 2: which I prefer. So yeah, we go online, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And I don't have to just stick
Speaker 2: to one church. You know, as a kid growing up
Speaker 2: in New York, we always had to go to Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: the Grandma's church.
Speaker 1: There was no option. It was let me try something else.
Speaker 2: Now on TV one day, I can turn dollar next day,
Speaker 2: I can next day, and I can get different feelings
Speaker 2: and my kids can as well.
Speaker 1: So I prefer that as well too.
Speaker 3: Why I was, he was going to ask me.
Speaker 5: I was, so yeah, So I still have I still
Speaker 5: belong to my home church in Baltimore City, Restoration Christian
Speaker 5: Coclegia Church. And I'm not in Baltimore on Sundays anymore.
Speaker 4: You know, just I have to be here. I gotta
Speaker 4: wake up three forty five in the morning.
Speaker 5: But even before that, I was doing shows Thursday through Sunday,
Speaker 5: so I wasn't able to go. And if I just
Speaker 5: try more, I can definitely get on the road to
Speaker 5: come up here after a church because church is from
Speaker 5: ten to twelve, ten to one sometimes.
Speaker 4: But I still pay my times, you know what I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Still give all.
Speaker 4: Friend, my mom's a deacon. I grew up in that church.
Speaker 5: It was called Holy Church of Christ when I was younger,
Speaker 5: and my son has been Christian in that church. And
Speaker 5: my my baby that I'm having now will go and
Speaker 5: get Christian. I'm never I don't want to go to
Speaker 5: another church now. I will listen to a sermon from
Speaker 5: someone else like I listen to Sarah Jakes, you know
Speaker 5: I will, and different podcasts as well. But I just
Speaker 5: my my reason is simply just an excuse. I just
Speaker 5: don't go to church because I travel.
Speaker 1: Okay, I get that. What do y'all look for when
Speaker 1: you go to a church? What do y'all? What do
Speaker 1: y'all look for? Like you said, everyone, don't don't touch
Speaker 1: your soul, don't minister to your spirit.
Speaker 3: It's not about what I look for, It's about what
Speaker 3: I feel got it. It's a feeling, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you just I know what you mean,
Speaker 3: would just speak to your soul.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I think, sorry, Jake's right now, Man's used to me
Speaker 3: all the time, you know what. I just want to
Speaker 3: listen to her podcast. So I just think some people
Speaker 3: have an annoying on them for the moment that we
Speaker 3: are in, and just like her father had it and
Speaker 3: still has it, you know, of course for the current
Speaker 3: moment that we're in.
Speaker 5: And then another thing. So growing up in a church
Speaker 5: where you know, I'm so used to that back in
Speaker 5: the day like Manson's, I don't want to go to
Speaker 5: a big, big, big church because the pastor don't know me.
Speaker 5: I'm used to going to talk to the past pastor
Speaker 5: after church, going to get that individual preyer, going to
Speaker 5: show him what I'm struggling with and all that. As
Speaker 5: a teenager, I was going through a lot of things,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I would be able
Speaker 5: to go and talk to my uncle he is the bishop,
Speaker 5: like go and talk to him and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But I've gone to churches where, you know, the pastor
Speaker 5: don't even know you, and he's not even.
Speaker 4: Tripping off getting to know nobody.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just come and he do his thing. They
Speaker 5: sing a whole album before he started dis sermon. Yeah, yes, right,
Speaker 5: you shout. I see people shouting. I see you know
Speaker 5: all of that, And that's what I'm used to be.
Speaker 4: He's not cut. I started coming from that and then
Speaker 4: absolutely no wood.
Speaker 3: I started going to church till later got you growing
Speaker 3: for that whole going around knocking on the doors.
Speaker 1: How you doing? How you know? That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking time of that.
Speaker 5: But you got time to walk down every block and
Speaker 5: going hand in the hamplets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and too early y'all come to he came around
Speaker 1: noon'll be so yeah, this is the personal.
Speaker 5: Personal has been lost, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 5: then it becomes to the point where the the like
Speaker 5: I said, the pastor feel like he's got Yeah, that's churches.
Speaker 1: And and that's what I met by churches is whacking,
Speaker 1: because I know I went on realig whack whack wacking
Speaker 1: church probably like you just at my church last week.
Speaker 1: I don't mean that, I mean I mean that stuff
Speaker 1: right there and what has become I have found it.
Speaker 1: I have found it. I think I said the right
Speaker 1: challenging to know everyone in my church though, I found it.
Speaker 1: I found it challenging. I try to be personal. I
Speaker 1: try to I stay after church and just I stand
Speaker 1: at whoever want to come to me, they can talk
Speaker 1: to me. I don't got the eighty security guards and
Speaker 1: all that, right I standing, They can talk to me.
Speaker 1: But it's a challenge to know everybody in the church.
Speaker 4: And that's a big that's because a bigger it's a bigger, bigger.
Speaker 2: But your new families though, like like my church, they
Speaker 2: knew the Casey family and parents, they knew the Johnson's
Speaker 2: and it is one of that one new family.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah overall, and that means something that that
Speaker 1: that means a lot to people. But what if you
Speaker 1: didn't get that, does that mean that's not the church
Speaker 1: for you? Because Moses led millions of people. I doubt
Speaker 1: he knew you know what I mean, John Qubbos, whatever
Speaker 1: his name was, I doubt I doubt he knew everyone,
Speaker 1: but he was still their leader. So I try to
Speaker 1: look at it from a lot of perspectives. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and make sure people are coming for
Speaker 1: the right reason and make sure or the pastor is
Speaker 1: there for.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Right, So, growing up
Speaker 2: in Queen's I went to Catholic school. Right, my zone
Speaker 2: school is the worst. So my parents was making me
Speaker 2: go to Catholic school. I wasn't going to Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 2: But I noticed in Catholic school as a kid, Catholic schools.
Speaker 1: Thirty thirty minutes, maybe thirty five. You are out of there.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, didn't gone, I'm back home. Baptist church
Speaker 2: is three hours, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we want to say but it's the point.
Speaker 2: As a kid, you know, you you feel like I
Speaker 2: get everything I needed in this thirty minutes. I don't
Speaker 2: need this in three and a half hours. I always
Speaker 2: wonder like why is the church so long? Because you know,
Speaker 2: you got announcements, then you get passed it. You're gonna
Speaker 2: pass it around twice, and then since then so and
Speaker 2: so got to talk about.
Speaker 4: And if you don't give up on the first off,
Speaker 4: we almost.
Speaker 1: Almost they double back, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it why it's so long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think churches have changed since then. I don't think
Speaker 1: churches is three hours like that anymore. I mean not
Speaker 1: she I think it's like nothing I've seen she going in.
Speaker 1: I've seen church tructures like ninety minutes. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They try to be more mindful of that.
Speaker 1: And the more you know, current churches and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: they try to do, they try to cut that down
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I think the reason is people
Speaker 1: just have a lot of expression. Man, they got a
Speaker 1: lot of They got a lot to say, they got
Speaker 1: a lot to get out. You understand I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: hated the law churches. I grew up Pentecostal Pentecostal church.
Speaker 1: What three hours? That's it. We're just getting right, yo.
Speaker 1: Three When you said three hours, like what, man, we
Speaker 1: just getting started. We had nothing else to do. Why
Speaker 1: you had no social media? Sundays was for God. So
Speaker 1: we was gonna stay all Sunday. So after the five
Speaker 1: hours center back, after the five hour service service, come on,
Speaker 1: you better stay for that second we got people coming.
Speaker 1: I hated that, but I'm so glad it was like
Speaker 1: that for me as a remember young you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm so glad. It was like that for
Speaker 1: me because it just kept me from a whole lot.
Speaker 1: You like Michael Willis, Yeah, Chris rock a lot and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know who Michael k Willi soon.
Speaker 3: You got a similar energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never met him, very energetic. I never met him.
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to hook up with something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he dad, he done. Oh I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I can. I guess I can. I guess
Speaker 1: I can't. Don't give, don't get, don't give me the
Speaker 1: dog the other day, I'm sorry, I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to cut him on. He's met
Speaker 1: brom y'all will connect one day if you believe you again.
Speaker 3: Done is true that you worked on justin Timberlakes Crime.
Speaker 1: River, Yeah, I worked on I was. We was in
Speaker 1: the Root Studio again, growing up in the Philly Camden,
Speaker 1: Philly area. We did our first album at the at
Speaker 1: the Root Studio. Crazy how we got signed to. Vivian
Speaker 1: Green is like an R and B soul artist, And
Speaker 1: she was doing the showcase for Tommy Mottola and Donnie
Speaker 1: Ironer and the Matt Sony and she said, tie, you
Speaker 1: know I was like her cousin at the time. We
Speaker 1: were real close. Tie. I want you to m D
Speaker 1: my show case. I know, even asked me this. I'm
Speaker 1: just taking on you know, you know, I want you
Speaker 1: to MD my showcase. I said, all right, Bet, I
Speaker 1: got a little couple of people from the choir, a
Speaker 1: couple of people from the band. We just put together
Speaker 1: a little show for viv So, speaking of energy and
Speaker 1: all that, we in there with Tommy Mattola and Donnie
Speaker 1: Iron and all these people at Columbia, and I'm just
Speaker 1: a young you know, I'm just playing. I'm I'm like
Speaker 1: this all the time. If I'm playing, I'm like this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Everything is energetic. So they like,
Speaker 1: we love Vivian Green, we're gonna sign her to Columbia,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna sign this guy right here. Who's that?
Speaker 1: And it was like, oh, no, no, no, no, that's that's a
Speaker 1: that's a gospel guy. You know, he does choir and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We're signing Vivian and we're signing the
Speaker 1: gospel guy.
Speaker 3: I was like, what.
Speaker 1: Within ninety days we had a contract at our crib
Speaker 1: from Columbia Records. No demo, black and white, no, no
Speaker 1: profile picture, no nothing, and we got signed to Columbia.
Speaker 1: Uh nah, she got her deal. I got my deal.
Speaker 1: So my first album came out under Columbia Records called
Speaker 1: Life because because of that that moment right there, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: God is really real, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could say being in the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time, but I believe in the favor of God.
Speaker 1: And so we're doing our album in the Root studio.
Speaker 1: James Poyser shout out. James Poyser was a producer on that.
Speaker 1: He's with the Roots. Now you're seing on Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 1: every night and uh in the Root studio they had
Speaker 1: the plant based you know stuff going on every single day.
Speaker 1: Ge he was in there. We was in there getting contact,
Speaker 1: you'll try to sing the praises of the Lord and
Speaker 1: just being in that environment. Then the Roots is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, why don't you do this such as us
Speaker 1: coming to the studio, such as us coming to the studio,
Speaker 1: such and such. We just became the choir for like
Speaker 1: everybody who came. So we're on Jessica Simpsons Christmas album
Speaker 1: and we're on uh so many albums as background singers.
Speaker 1: So Timberland came through and we just caught a vibe Timberland.
Speaker 1: We were just in there, just vibing. Tim just put
Speaker 1: a beat on it. We were just in there playing.
Speaker 1: I love working with Tim. Tim. We could ever do
Speaker 1: that again, bro, Yeah, please, let's look that up. So
Speaker 1: we was in there vibing the crimea River. He said,
Speaker 1: I got this Humble Justice. So I'm in there like, okay,
Speaker 1: dude and dud dude. So that's me playing that literally
Speaker 1: on the world it sir, that's literally literally me. And
Speaker 1: then the backgrounds on there and me and my girl
Speaker 1: Marshall from Flower Tree did the background. Yeah, ain't she amazing? Yo,
Speaker 1: shout out Marsha, I love you girl.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: We did the backgrounds to that. And so just when
Speaker 1: it came out and we listened to it and it's
Speaker 1: everywhere since seventy eleven and said why were like, oh my,
Speaker 1: that's us, that's us. Shut up boy, now to be
Speaker 1: twenty dollars you know what I mean. I'm like, wait, yes,
Speaker 1: that's give me at did you get pay for it
Speaker 1: the right way? Oh damn, I got two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for the past o. Man, you don't do the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you cried you a river, that's all
Speaker 3: you got that Murphy dollars for river.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got two thousand dollars for that, But you
Speaker 1: played I played it with this song.
Speaker 3: That's what everybody knows.
Speaker 4: That's when what you hear.
Speaker 1: That's what you look for before anybody else. They don't
Speaker 1: take care of the past him. It was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. Yeah, But you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know the business at the time, and I was so
Speaker 1: hyped to get two thousand dollars. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do. Y'all think got treated everybody to a fry
Speaker 1: at McDonald's. Everybody, you understand what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: was just so hyped, but I didn't know the business then,
Speaker 1: So I don't got no hard feelings about Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can go check it out. Go check out the credit.
Speaker 1: Check the credits, Go check the credit.
Speaker 5: You know what you give it Chris Rock, Yes, go
Speaker 5: check the credit. Show Yeah, it's definitely I see it now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that now did a whole lot, the whole
Speaker 1: What is that? What did you do with usher? I'ven
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think, I mean, says toured with us,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: If you work, you gotta be specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what you do? What I should hold up
Speaker 1: in the church for a second, we might have been
Speaker 1: on the same program. I didn't do anything. We didn't
Speaker 1: do you know. I love to be usher man. That's
Speaker 1: that's the homie. Yes, come on, don't be with the
Speaker 1: right don't don't right now?
Speaker 5: Every day with the niggas yo every day, So I'm like,
Speaker 5: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: It's a lot. That's a lot to go because you
Speaker 1: don't never know what they go.
Speaker 3: You got to tell you congratulations. Let me get you
Speaker 3: out of here. You're get in some trouble.
Speaker 1: Last year Reunion tour was was last year. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: I did All Things New tour and in the spring and
Speaker 1: then I did the Reunion Tour in the fall winter.
Speaker 1: It was it was an amazing, dude that with Kirk and
Speaker 1: h Clark, sisters, Israel, David and Tambla man, that was
Speaker 1: incredible my first arena tour. Never did that before, so
Speaker 1: I'm like to hear the songs with all them people.
Speaker 1: It was just it was it was surreal. So we're
Speaker 1: doing it again this year. I'm going out May June
Speaker 1: on the only one night though tour, only one night though.
Speaker 1: That's my new single that's out only one night though,
Speaker 1: and the tour is going May June. I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 1: I have uh a second win of some sort. I
Speaker 1: don't have a second, third, or fourth whatever, but I
Speaker 1: have this, this momentum behind me right now, and I
Speaker 1: am so excited to get out there and do this music.
Speaker 1: I got new music coming, book, coming podcasts, all this
Speaker 1: stuff is coming, you know, off the hinges of the Grammy.
Speaker 1: And it's just a good season for me right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: I want everybody to come what he's great man record
Speaker 1: on quick.
Speaker 4: Let me just say this, So what you did for
Speaker 4: me growing up is to your music. You you didn't
Speaker 4: make it.
Speaker 1: You like you.
Speaker 5: You and Kirk Franklin was the first two men that
Speaker 5: did not make listening in the gospel boring, yo, because
Speaker 5: like me, growing up with a deaconess as a mom,
Speaker 5: and you know, my daddy was a little bit more lenient,
Speaker 5: you know, but we had to go to church and
Speaker 5: a little bit playing to what he was saying, like
Speaker 5: we had to. I had to get the stiff ponytail
Speaker 5: with the bullyball, you know. He wasn't really long, so
Speaker 5: when I moved it didn't you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't want.
Speaker 5: To go here, you know. And I had the little
Speaker 5: church socks and all that, the ones that Jermaine the
Speaker 5: Free had on at the You know, I will always
Speaker 5: do that, you know, like you when when my mom
Speaker 5: would put you on, she would put she will put
Speaker 5: you on just so we can get excited to go
Speaker 5: to church. Wow, So that is really something crazy. You
Speaker 5: and Kirk Franklin, y'all the only two my mom be like,
Speaker 5: all right, all right, and then she knew how to
Speaker 5: play some other people when we were going too much.
Speaker 5: So I was like, I don't want to listen to
Speaker 5: much then, but but to get us in the mood
Speaker 5: to go to church, Tripp and Kirk Franklin, that's what.
Speaker 3: That's what I love about you or the song you
Speaker 3: remember the.
Speaker 1: No way I can't even then You're going to the animal,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, not what you say strike them
Speaker 1: down heart.
Speaker 4: That strike him down a lord.
Speaker 1: Do you think people have my times?
Speaker 5: I know?
Speaker 1: But do you think people have a problem with God?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I mean.
Speaker 1: Most people I know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: My whole life has been God fearing but see, I
Speaker 3: think that I think that you have to show improve
Speaker 3: that through actions, you know what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 3: it's one thing to say, oh, I believe in God,
Speaker 3: I love God. But do you really try to at
Speaker 3: least scribe to move the way God would want you
Speaker 3: to move.
Speaker 1: I think that's the difficult Okay. So it's not the
Speaker 1: it's not the it's not the it's not the belief.
Speaker 1: It's the behavior.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think, yeah, sometimes it's the behavior of the messenger.
Speaker 1: What you mean.
Speaker 2: Somebody will say I have an assignment, right like you said,
Speaker 2: I have an assignment. And maybe your assignment is to
Speaker 2: help Jess in her situation and her problems, and maybe
Speaker 2: you do, but then you as a person, it's not
Speaker 2: coming from the perspective of somebody giving assignment, you see
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So let's say, if you're here to
Speaker 2: help Jess in her life and whatever it may be,
Speaker 2: but you know you cheating on your wife with Charlamagne.
Speaker 1: It's it's I look at it as that's example, but.
Speaker 5: I just look at it as it's not gonna be
Speaker 5: the thing.
Speaker 2: But I look at it as you're giving assignment. But
Speaker 2: the person giving assignment is not living the life that
Speaker 2: But that's what a little bit that's what makes me
Speaker 2: hard to see because you're giving the excitement, but you're
Speaker 2: not living, right.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you really giving it? Nobody around Jesus
Speaker 1: living that's all about to say, like your's your teacher
Speaker 1: living algebra? Like you know what I'm saying, Can somebody
Speaker 1: get can somebody give you information that will help you?
Speaker 1: That's still flawed? Right? But sometimes it's like it is
Speaker 1: that information true?
Speaker 2: If you're out there selling crack every night, giving crack
Speaker 2: TI you, you might be felty and saving me, but
Speaker 2: then you're killing a hundred others. It's like, is this
Speaker 2: coming from God? Or is that coming from a negative evil?
Speaker 1: The devil? You know what I'm saying. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of I got you hard to trust it, operate and
Speaker 1: trust it.
Speaker 3: But that's a decernment coming in exactly.
Speaker 1: So you need the spirit as well, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what I think. So when I say
Speaker 1: how you feel about God? I was going to ask
Speaker 1: how you feel about all of that? You said you're
Speaker 1: too growing for the holy cost? But playing I know
Speaker 1: what you're saying.
Speaker 4: In some people, some people do they.
Speaker 1: Get most, do most most most and seeing.
Speaker 3: Them harlem shake, I'm like making you harlem shaking.
Speaker 1: I cut it out. Man embrace. I think most embrace
Speaker 1: the culture of church, but not the Christ of them,
Speaker 1: you know, not Christ. So I think that's that's the
Speaker 1: issue as well. I think when you when you try
Speaker 1: to move without the spirit of God, not just the
Speaker 1: word of God, but the spirit of God. This is
Speaker 1: this is where personal relationship comes in. When you try
Speaker 1: to move or live your life without the spirit of God.
Speaker 1: That is your God, that is your direction. Holy goes
Speaker 1: to the Bible said, the Holy Spirit comes to lead and
Speaker 1: to guide us into all truth. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of wisdom and truth that we forfeit by not being
Speaker 1: led by the Spirit of God, by being led by Google,
Speaker 1: by being led by other things like that. Even a therapist,
Speaker 1: I will add, the Bible says, add to your faith, knowledge,
Speaker 1: but add to your faith. I think we let knowledge
Speaker 1: replace our faith, we let counsel replace our faith. Every
Speaker 1: new information you get as a believer should add to
Speaker 1: your faith, and that comes through the discernment and knowing the
Speaker 1: Spirit of God. So take the time to develop that
Speaker 1: relationship with God like this sounds crazy, but Lord, all right,
Speaker 1: let me pray. You know what I mean, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: take that time to develop. It's your protection, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, from the wolves in sheep's clothing. It's
Speaker 1: your protection from wrong relationships and dating the wrong person.
Speaker 1: God knows all, He knows the person you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: He knows the thoughts and the intents of and the
Speaker 1: motives of the people you're dealing with. So the Holy
Speaker 1: Spirit is a cheat cold to help us deal with life,
Speaker 1: to right to make the right business decisions, to make
Speaker 1: the right decisions for our children, because this child is
Speaker 1: different from this one. I can't do that on my own.
Speaker 1: So when you allow the Holy Spirit to be elite
Speaker 1: and your God, I mean, your way will be prosperous.
Speaker 1: The Bible says so, and you'll be protected because everybody
Speaker 1: is for themselves in this world. And there as much
Speaker 1: evil in darkness as you know, as you said, even
Speaker 1: in clergy collars. Yo, And I'm tired of it. My
Speaker 1: wife and I are going to work on I think
Speaker 1: a podcast or something called Flipping Tables, just to kind
Speaker 1: of like not to expose nobody, nothing like that, but like, hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. This is choreography. Praise is
Speaker 1: not it. You know what I'm saying. We want people
Speaker 1: to get relationship and not religion. Man, So if anything
Speaker 1: I'll leave y'all, it will be that, please please please
Speaker 1: take a prayer. Oh prayer? Okay, but you want to prayer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm you ain't worrying about what we did twenty
Speaker 4: four hours ago.
Speaker 5: Wow, because a cigarette outside.
Speaker 1: You want to ask that, you want to ask where
Speaker 1: I was last night before you received my prayer?
Speaker 4: You can pray for me in the corner.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I guess that is
Speaker 1: important because we never saw presidents or we never saw
Speaker 1: Obama or his family partying. Yeah, because he had to
Speaker 1: be the president, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying
Speaker 1: so it's very important as the leaders what your image
Speaker 1: is to the people. But part of it to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe because I'm.
Speaker 3: Always found God in the most unlikely places.
Speaker 1: What you mean by that?
Speaker 3: Because he's a in the most I'm just saying I
Speaker 3: understand what n be saying. But I think sometimes you
Speaker 3: will miss a message from God because you appearance or
Speaker 3: not the messenger, you know. Yeah, And sometimes that's who
Speaker 3: God is working through.
Speaker 1: That's what they did with Jesus. They was like, who
Speaker 1: this guy that ain't the Savior, That's not him. They
Speaker 1: missed the Savior of the world still to this day
Speaker 1: because of how he was presented. So, but I think
Speaker 1: you have to know him to see him and things.
Speaker 1: You can see him in the most unlikely places because
Speaker 1: you know him. Well.
Speaker 3: If you know God and you, you'll recognize them and
Speaker 3: everybody else exactly.
Speaker 1: I can see him in movies, comic but I can
Speaker 1: see him on his wall. I can see anywhere because
Speaker 1: I know him. So nothing from without can defile you.
Speaker 1: Always was taking. You can't go to clubs or when
Speaker 1: we grew up, you couldn't go to nothing. We couldn't
Speaker 1: go to movies, we couldn't go bowling, we couldn't play
Speaker 1: basketball because there was this drinks, there is that and that. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I can say, what's wrong with bowling? Jesus shut out?
Speaker 1: I got it. I didn't know. I just saw but he.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: But I had to learn nothing from without can defile you.
Speaker 1: If it's in you, it's in you. If you ratchet,
Speaker 1: you don't need music to that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It only exposes what's allready in you. So we got
Speaker 1: to change and challenge what's in us. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I got one last question because you made me think,
Speaker 3: let's do this conversation me and just had when they
Speaker 3: had the New Year's Eve thing and they did the
Speaker 3: swag surf in the church.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for having me. Man appreciate it very much.
Speaker 5: Clowned out, tell them what you're thought, tell them passed
Speaker 5: what you're throwing up here.
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was anything wrong with it because
Speaker 3: my whole thing was they doing it outside the church anyway,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So if you're having a
Speaker 3: and it wasn't like it was a regular church service,
Speaker 3: it was new partying, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think?
Speaker 4: Lot of plans were very much sorry about that.
Speaker 1: But you said all of them were clown everybody.
Speaker 5: Was clowns because that was the explicit version being played,
Speaker 5: just like I said Charlamagne, and I'm like, no, I
Speaker 5: didn't grow up like that in church. Like it's just
Speaker 5: certain things you don't play with. You can swag and
Speaker 5: surf one day. Even if he disagreed, I don't get Yeah,
Speaker 5: I still think that it was clowned dollar.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, and that the lyrics was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 5: I was hearing that all day, but yeah, I got
Speaker 5: patron on my yah, girl got a bad behind me
Speaker 5: and a friend by right.
Speaker 1: But they didn't explicit I think that was a mistake
Speaker 1: in production or something like that. I don't think that
Speaker 1: was intentional.
Speaker 4: I think it was very much intentional because you think
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: It was the youth, a little youth, you faster.
Speaker 4: And yes, and was like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: just play this by mistake on purpose.
Speaker 2: But if it was the clean version, was a clean version,
Speaker 2: you'd have been okay with it. You can swag surfing church,
Speaker 2: but why does that have to be to the song.
Speaker 2: We can swag surf to It's harums. So we can
Speaker 2: swag surf to the Kirk Franklin and the little baby
Speaker 2: you on that. We can swag surf to something. We
Speaker 2: can swag surf the silence. We made it into another year.
Speaker 2: Go to the club after you get out. God bless
Speaker 2: you here, all right.
Speaker 1: Do what you do so how you feel about just
Speaker 1: the instrumental that's cool. You can put whatever words on
Speaker 1: top of it you want, but you like the lyrics
Speaker 1: and everything and there. I didn't have a problem with it, man,
Speaker 1: because you know they're gonna listen to it anyway outside
Speaker 1: and it's just a dirty version.
Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm like, whoever was in that church
Speaker 3: that night is coming back, and to me that's more important.
Speaker 1: If she was in that church, she wouldn't come back.
Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Even I don't write in the middle.
Speaker 1: I think the church I'm the wildest, craziest I'm with
Speaker 1: every day, I swaged whatever. I still think that the
Speaker 1: church should have something a sacred.
Speaker 5: Like what they met people will they don't take that
Speaker 5: and they run with that though I'm not with that.
Speaker 1: Nobody, no nobody met. If Jesus met somebody where they were,
Speaker 1: he literally went to them, like when they come to church,
Speaker 1: they meeting you where you are.
Speaker 3: For the club, that is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You say that, I'm saying that they should be across
Speaker 1: the street from the trip club so that when they
Speaker 1: come out, not inside club. I have been to a
Speaker 1: strip club, I am yeah, yeah, you have. I have
Speaker 1: been to club.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a birth what birthday was? And I'm forty eight.
Speaker 1: Now I just wanted. It was one of them New
Speaker 1: Years when I was like, forget the church, I'm going,
Speaker 1: I'm going there. I did not enjoy. I went one
Speaker 1: time in my entire lit to pray over the girls.
Speaker 1: I didn't pray over them, No, I didn't. I didn't pray.
Speaker 1: I prayed over myself more than anything. Yeah, like I did.
Speaker 3: Huh why did you like it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, for real?
Speaker 3: Your wife?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, how I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy.
Speaker 1: I have never talked about this in my life, I said,
Speaker 1: people who know before I have. I didn't enjoy the performers.
Speaker 1: What state was it? Florida? Should have went to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: No Florida, you mean Florida crazy would do especially in Miami. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy the performers, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is why I don't belonger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: booby trap wasn't went back then. It's okay. Professionally, I
Speaker 1: think I think God was like, you got it out
Speaker 1: of your good little private moment and you strang. So
Speaker 1: this is what you wanted, did you? I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this is not four and five that night all God
Speaker 1: knew what he was doing. I never I never ever
Speaker 1: desired to go back. Ever. It was horrible, bro, it
Speaker 1: was horrible. Man. Can you pray for the stupid show?
Speaker 1: First of all, thank y'all for being like cultural leaders.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate what y'all do for for for the culture.
Speaker 1: It's amazing what y'all do here. Thank you for keeping
Speaker 1: it positive and you crazy. Y'all all crazy, but that's
Speaker 1: who we are, and we're not a shame to who
Speaker 1: we are. Let's pray for a minute. Thank you, Okay,
Speaker 1: Father God, I thank you for this opportunity to just
Speaker 1: to pray over these blessed people in this show. I
Speaker 1: pray now, God that you just continue to be our
Speaker 1: guide and our lead. There are so many needs just
Speaker 1: in this room, and so many needs of people that
Speaker 1: are listening. We can't solve every need. We don't know
Speaker 1: every need, but you promise to supply every need. So
Speaker 1: I pray from emotions to finances, to mental health, to
Speaker 1: physical health to relational security, I pray that you just
Speaker 1: supply every need. Once we're in scarcity and we need,
Speaker 1: we get desperate and we do things that's not even
Speaker 1: in our character. So may we never be insecure, and
Speaker 1: may we never lack anything. And when we never fear,
Speaker 1: perfect love, cast out all fear. Fill us with your
Speaker 1: perfect love today, and we won't fear anything. We won't
Speaker 1: fear the enemy, we won't feel the way of the world.
Speaker 1: We won't fear anything because we are loved by you.
Speaker 1: Let everybody know for a masurrety that they are loved,
Speaker 1: crazy and all baselating in all not. Whatever whatever state
Speaker 1: we're in, it does not disqualify us from your everlasting love.
Speaker 1: So embrace us with that today. In the name of Jesus.
Speaker 1: Bless everyone, Blessed Charlamagne, bless Envy, blessed Jess. Bless this show. God.
Speaker 1: Let it be a beacon of light and a beacon
Speaker 1: of hope to everyone who listens. Let me put a
Speaker 1: smile on people's face, put joy in their heart and
Speaker 1: happiness in their day. I thank you for the opportunity
Speaker 1: to pray over this, and I pray in Jesus' name
Speaker 1: that it prospers in Jesus' name. Amen, Hey, I love
Speaker 1: y'all so much. Man, wake that ass up in the morning.
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