Speaker 1: Hey, Girlfriends, just a heads up. In this episode you'll
Speaker 1: hear themes of violence, murder, and of course me swearing
Speaker 1: at times. So not much has changed, has it?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: Carol, you know why are you calling me on a
Speaker 1: random Wednesday morning? What's going on?
Speaker 3: Okay, look, don't shoot me, but I think I want
Speaker 3: you to investigate another cold case.
Speaker 1: What we must have a bad connection.
Speaker 3: I better hang up.
Speaker 1: You know that moment when someone comes into your life
Speaker 1: and you know it's never going to be the same again.
Speaker 1: The first time that happened to me was when I
Speaker 1: met a guy named Bob who I saw it was
Speaker 1: a total catch, but he turned out to be a
Speaker 1: fucking asshole.
Speaker 2: Who murdered his first wife, Gail Katz. Listen to the.
Speaker 1: First series of The Girlfriends if you want to hear
Speaker 1: that story. The second time someone turned my life upside
Speaker 1: down was when this adore British woman randomly called me.
Speaker 1: She asked me to make a podcast about how myself
Speaker 1: and a group of incredible women investigated what happened to
Speaker 1: Gayle and Well, I just couldn't say no to her,
Speaker 1: so my producer, Anna became like one of the family.
Speaker 1: My new surrogate daughter and within a few months of meeting,
Speaker 1: she flew out to stay with me in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: where I said her constantly like the good Jewish mother,
Speaker 1: I am, Oh, my god, I.
Speaker 2: Know my guests. I took Anna to meet my mom
Speaker 2: who loved her.
Speaker 3: Did people tell you how beautiful you are?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: Your hair?
Speaker 2: Your face? I mean your skin show off? And she
Speaker 2: met my friends.
Speaker 3: I have no children, you kid be my daughter.
Speaker 1: Together we turned my tragic dating history into the number
Speaker 1: one podcast in six countries. Deal turns out Anna's not finished.
Speaker 2: With me yet.
Speaker 1: There's one mystery from the first series that we never
Speaker 1: managed to solve. Our lost sister, the woman who's torso
Speaker 1: washed up on Staten Island and was buried in Gail's
Speaker 1: grave for nearly a decade, that is, until it was
Speaker 1: discovered that her body did not belong to Gail CAATs.
Speaker 1: What's her name and more importantly, what's her story?
Speaker 2: People want answers.
Speaker 1: I've received so many emails, comments and calls.
Speaker 2: What's this about the torso?
Speaker 1: This is a loose end for this poor woman who
Speaker 1: never was identified.
Speaker 3: Whose torso is it?
Speaker 2: Who is this victim and what's being done to try
Speaker 2: to identify her?
Speaker 3: And see justice.
Speaker 1: But I have to admit I'm worried. I mean, we
Speaker 1: spent a year working night and day trying to identify her.
Speaker 1: Already we never got an answer, and what if we
Speaker 1: still can't?
Speaker 3: But what if we don't try.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we don't do this, nobody's going
Speaker 1: to try, and we're the only ones left. And if
Speaker 1: anyone can do it, we can.
Speaker 2: The girlfriends God.
Speaker 1: And that's how she gets me. She always lures me
Speaker 1: back in. But I'm right, you know, I'm really right.
Speaker 1: This is going to be really hard. But luckily it's
Speaker 1: not just.
Speaker 2: Me and Anna.
Speaker 1: We have the whole Girlfriend's gang to help us solve
Speaker 1: this case. There's Gail's sister, Elaine.
Speaker 3: You killed my sister and I know you think you
Speaker 3: got away with it, but I will always hound you
Speaker 3: and haunt you.
Speaker 2: And there's my dear friend Mindy.
Speaker 1: I hope that we can make something positive out of this,
Speaker 1: and between us, Me, Mindy, Elaine, Anna, we don't just
Speaker 1: want to solve a case. We want to make a difference.
Speaker 1: We want to show way every woman's story matters. But
Speaker 1: if we're going to do this, we need your help too,
Speaker 1: So listen up, get your pen and paper out.
Speaker 2: This is all we.
Speaker 1: Know so far about the woman we're trying to identify.
Speaker 1: On May twenty one, nineteen eighty nine, her torso washed
Speaker 1: up in New York, just north of the Arizonto Bridge
Speaker 1: on Staten Island. The autopsy report said she'd been in
Speaker 1: the water for two to three months, and DNA testing
Speaker 1: was limited back then, so the medical examiner compared some
Speaker 1: X rays that showed similarities between the two.
Speaker 3: That sufficiently allowed them to change Jane Doe Torso on
Speaker 3: the death certificate to gal Kat Spirimba.
Speaker 1: She was then buried in the Cat's family plot in Queens.
Speaker 3: And finally I felt that I I found my sister
Speaker 3: and she was safe.
Speaker 2: But that's not the end of the story.
Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen ninety eight, the Manhattan District
Speaker 1: Attorney's office exhumed the body from Gail's grave for DNA testing.
Speaker 3: And they said to me, the torso is not Gail.
Speaker 3: And after a string of curses, I said to them,
Speaker 3: you have ripped the shred of closure that I have
Speaker 3: away from me.
Speaker 1: Then the torso seemingly vanishes. No one from Gail's case
Speaker 1: knows what happened to her. So If the torso is
Speaker 1: not Gail Cat's Berenbaum, then who is she and where
Speaker 1: did she go?
Speaker 2: Told you it wasn't going to be easy.
Speaker 1: And that's why, dear girlfriends, we need your help, because
Speaker 1: we know that we are stronger together. Last series, by
Speaker 1: just passing the podcast between each other, you helped over
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people connect with our charity Partner No More
Speaker 1: and get potentially life saving advice regarding intimate partner violence.
Speaker 2: So let's do it again. Let's work together.
Speaker 1: If you have any leads, ideas, or suggestion for how
Speaker 1: we can solve this thirty five year old gold case,
Speaker 1: how we can identify this missing woman, our lost girlfriend,
Speaker 1: please please email us at the Girlfriends at novel dot Audio,
Speaker 1: or you can reach out to me on my socials
Speaker 1: at Carol A Fisher that's Carol with an E. Our
Speaker 1: live investigation will be dropping on this feed in a
Speaker 1: few months time, so if you haven't already, hit the
Speaker 1: follow up button so you don't miss when we released
Speaker 1: the first episode, and please tell your friends we're back
Speaker 1: and that we need their help too. Until then, hold
Speaker 1: your girlfriends tight.
Speaker 3: That's perfect, Thank you, Carl.
Speaker 2: I can't believe we're fucking doing this again.
Speaker 1: I can't and you're like sitting here, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: has happened in my life? The Girlfriends is produced by
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Speaker 1: The show is hosted by Me Carol Fisher, and our
Speaker 1: chief investigator is Mindy Shapiro. To find me on social media,
Speaker 1: search Carol A. Fisher, That's Carol with an E. The
Speaker 1: series is produced and written by Anna Sinfield and Lee Meyer.
Speaker 1: Our assistant producer is Madeline Parr, who also fact checked
Speaker 1: this episode. The editor is Joe Wheeler. Max O'Brien is
Speaker 1: our executive producer. Production management from Sharie Houston and Sharkrlett Woolf.
Speaker 1: Sound design, mixing and scoring.
Speaker 2: By Daniel Kempson.
Speaker 1: Music supervision by Anna Sinfield and Nicholas Alexander. Original music
Speaker 1: composed by Luisa Gerstein. The series artwork was designed by
Speaker 1: Christina Lemcool. Story development by Anna Sinfield. Willard Foxton is
Speaker 1: creative director of Development. Special thanks to Katrina Norvel, David Wasserman,
Speaker 1: Beth Anne Macaluso, Carrie Lieberman, Carly Frankel, and all the
Speaker 1: team at WME, and a special shout out to Vince Hayward,
Speaker 1: who's my partner, for taking on the role of girlfriend's
Speaker 1: confidant and lead tech support
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