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Speaker 1: your own. My guess She's on the line. Has authored
Speaker 1: a book entitled The Courage to Continue Navigating Your Corporate Journey.
Speaker 1: She's a retired Chief Information officer for FedEx custom Critical.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass, Cheryl Bevel Orange.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Cheryl, Hi, Rashan, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having me today. I'm excited to be here and
Speaker 2: to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: You got that little Southern twain working there, Cheryl? Were
Speaker 1: you born and raised? Come on now where.
Speaker 2: I'm originally from Bessemer, Alabama. Most people don't know where
Speaker 2: that is, but it's right outside from me here.
Speaker 1: Well, I know what best is all that good barbecue
Speaker 1: country down there. Plus we always drive through, you know. Well,
Speaker 1: as I twenty area up there, I always go down it,
Speaker 1: and I had twenty up there. I was up there
Speaker 1: because good friend of mine, Ricky Smiley, I always go
Speaker 1: down to Birmingham to visit them, and he lives in Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you, Cheryl your book, The Courage to
Speaker 1: Continue Navigating your Corporate Journey. Why did you write the book?
Speaker 2: Well, I am a first generation corporate American. My dad
Speaker 2: was a coal miner, my mother was a teacher. They're
Speaker 2: both retired, and I went into corporate America blind and
Speaker 2: so I started jotting down things that I began to
Speaker 2: build my family with my husband, and I was like,
Speaker 2: my children is going to need to know how to
Speaker 2: navigate in this space because most people are going into
Speaker 2: corporate America or into the workforce at that time they
Speaker 2: were Now we're all entrepreneurs, but I wanted them to
Speaker 2: have a blueprint. But as I began to mentor and
Speaker 2: coach others, I was like, everybody needs this information, not
Speaker 2: just my children. So I started to officially write my
Speaker 2: book and it has it has just grown from there.
Speaker 2: Over the pandemic, I added a new layer to it
Speaker 2: to speak to the leaders who are managing or supervising
Speaker 2: or leading first generation corporate Americans, and that has just
Speaker 2: it took the book to another level. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I started out for personal reasons and then it just
Speaker 2: went from there. Figured everybody could use some good information.
Speaker 1: Was some great information I have the copy of the
Speaker 1: book you autographed it. Thank you very much, sure for
Speaker 1: autographing the book the courage to continue to navigating your
Speaker 1: corporate journey. Sure you are there, you're retired, I should
Speaker 1: say Chief Information Officer of FedEx Critical Custom Critical. First
Speaker 1: of all, what is FedEx Custom Critical And then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you about the job title.
Speaker 2: So, FedEx Custom Critical is a subsidiary of FedEx Logistics Company.
Speaker 2: But it is the company that when we needed Codd vaccine,
Speaker 2: it had to go from one place to the next
Speaker 2: in a refrigerated container, and so FedEx Custom Critical trumps
Speaker 2: the vaccine from one place to the next until it
Speaker 2: got on the refrigerated plane to go somewhere else. So
Speaker 2: it is a specialized When we talk about the pandas
Speaker 2: going from one side of the country to another side
Speaker 2: of the country to exhibit those types of things are
Speaker 2: the things that FedEx Custom Critical moves on behalf ofs companies.
Speaker 1: Well, I can understand that that's kind of like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a specialized division that takes on critical areas that
Speaker 1: just couldn't be handled our everyday.
Speaker 2: Employees, correct, correct and logistical, you know, unit a refrigerated container,
Speaker 2: a refrigerated truck, a refrigerated you know, it's something, it's specialty,
Speaker 2: specialty item. We know.
Speaker 1: And so then I lead to the next Chief Information Officer.
Speaker 1: That's your job title that you had before you retired
Speaker 1: at FedEx. How long did you he hold that position?
Speaker 2: I was in that position not a long time at FedEx.
Speaker 2: I had been at Sedex twenty six years and I'd
Speaker 2: held a lot of different positions Managing director and CIO
Speaker 2: was where I ended with my FedEx career. I was
Speaker 2: there for about a year in that space, but I
Speaker 2: had been in it and business going back and forth
Speaker 2: throughout my entire career, and so it was just a
Speaker 2: culmination of everything that I have learned and experienced I
Speaker 2: could bring to that space and it was a really
Speaker 2: fulfilling position.
Speaker 1: Well, you know when I bring individuals because you know,
Speaker 1: we hear CEO, we here a CFO, we hear COO.
Speaker 1: But you know, c iOS that's a title you rally
Speaker 1: here in the corporate space. Is that one that's unique
Speaker 1: to FedEx or is something that's in all Fortune five
Speaker 1: hundred companies. It's just not heavily promoted.
Speaker 2: It's an all Fortune five hundred company. As you said,
Speaker 2: it's not heavily promoted, and having an African American in
Speaker 2: that space is even less. But it's the chief information
Speaker 2: officer and it is in the IT space handling all
Speaker 2: of the information and the data and the infrastructure and
Speaker 2: all of that that makes companies work.
Speaker 1: Now, the reason I'm just getting all the backstory because
Speaker 1: you know, you achieve something that's like you said, an
Speaker 1: African American in that space, that position, that's a rarity.
Speaker 1: You know, let's say there are only two CEOs or
Speaker 1: black that are running corporate fortune five hundred companies in
Speaker 1: America right now. So just to just to hold these
Speaker 1: positions around. Now, you come from right outside of Birmingham,
Speaker 1: you know Birmingham. How many people in that city that
Speaker 1: you came from.
Speaker 2: Well, I would I would say I actually checked some
Speaker 2: months ago. It's about fifty five thousand people in Basketball, Alabama.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about back when you were there. You know,
Speaker 1: when you when you decided to venture out. You know,
Speaker 1: it's grown, it's grown, it's become a suburb. You know,
Speaker 1: people people have found best ever now, but back when
Speaker 1: you were you know, nineteen ninety ish, what was it?
Speaker 1: What was the population.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, I would say. Back then it was I
Speaker 2: can't even amassin, what is that tall? Tall? It's fall small.
Speaker 1: I understand that because I always say that because a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, it's not it's not where
Speaker 1: you start all the time, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: hold themselves back at that starting position.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in the in the in
Speaker 1: the hood, you know, a two bedroom shotgun house. I
Speaker 1: tell that story all the time to remind people don't
Speaker 1: let your starting positions stop your your winning opportunity. Now
Speaker 1: I was driving you to get out of Bessemer to
Speaker 1: seek higher education and also the end of the corporate world.
Speaker 2: Well, let me just tell you it's an interesting story.
Speaker 2: When I was a little girl, I used to spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time with my grandparents. And one day
Speaker 2: I was out of school and I went with my
Speaker 2: grandparents to the bank and my granddad we went in
Speaker 2: and started was normal. You know, you get your sucker
Speaker 2: when you come out of the kind of the bank,
Speaker 2: you know, going in investment Alabama, and I was excited
Speaker 2: to go in there to get my candy. And I
Speaker 2: saw I was learning to write at this time, and
Speaker 2: my granddad was doing his business. He signed an X
Speaker 2: on the line, and I said, you know, you know, Granddaddy,
Speaker 2: why are you signing an AX? Because at this time
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm learning to write. Everybody knows how to write.
Speaker 2: And my grandmother signed her name next to his, and
Speaker 2: so my grandmother was like, hush, girls, get your can,
Speaker 2: then let's go. So when I got home, my mother
Speaker 2: is a teacher, I said, Mom, granddad is signing to X.
Speaker 2: What is dad? And so she began to tell me.
Speaker 2: Of course, I think I was in second grade, so
Speaker 2: I was learning curses, so I didn't really understand. But
Speaker 2: as I grew up, I learned, you know, that was
Speaker 2: his mark. My granddad, my idol. At the time, he
Speaker 2: couldn't He couldn't even write, and I thought he could
Speaker 2: read because I would see him reading the Bible. But
Speaker 2: he might have just been memorizing things. I really don't know.
Speaker 2: But that started me to say, you know what, I've
Speaker 2: got to get my education. That's what I know I
Speaker 2: can have. I can have the knowledge to help me
Speaker 2: to go further. And then as I began to see
Speaker 2: the world unfold growing up, I decided, did you know
Speaker 2: I used to My parents used to take us to Detroit.
Speaker 2: That was our vacation to visit a relative.
Speaker 1: Detroit, and everybody going to Orlando Disney, You're going to Detroit.
Speaker 2: Huh, I'm going to Detroit. So and we would drive too.
Speaker 2: Now we wasn't getting on a bus or plane. So
Speaker 2: from Bestma, Alabama to Detroit that's twelve hours. Okay, so
Speaker 2: we're in the family driving. But I began to see
Speaker 2: that there was something else out there than best My Alabama.
Speaker 2: And at that point I could combine education with some
Speaker 2: experiences and I had I had to have it, so
Speaker 2: I had to get out and see all I could
Speaker 2: see outside of beth My, Alabama. Now I go back
Speaker 2: because my parents are there and my family is still there,
Speaker 2: so I go back frequently. But I want to see
Speaker 2: what's out in the world. I want to visit and
Speaker 2: get all the knowledge and experience that I can get
Speaker 2: so that I can help somebody else to leave best
Speaker 2: My Alabama if they want to.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, I really appreciate you telling me that
Speaker 1: honest story, because I know some friends who cannot read,
Speaker 1: and they do they do or learn to acclimate themselves
Speaker 1: to the real world based on how you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: know if you met them, you wouldn't know they couldn't
Speaker 1: read or write because they've learned over the years how
Speaker 1: to hide that deficiency. But that's something that you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be hiding. Education is available to you and once you
Speaker 1: get it. I would tell people my degree is in
Speaker 1: mathematics and minor and sociology. I always tell people they
Speaker 1: can't repot my degree. They can't repote my education once
Speaker 1: I get it. They can't come and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: know some of you owe some money. Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: it's right there. You can't take it back, can't repot,
Speaker 1: okaymail on, remall on and so. But your book was
Speaker 1: it covered three areas that I really wanted to discuss,
Speaker 1: and this is why I brought you on the show. Mentorship, advocacy,
Speaker 1: and sponsorship because those are three things and I'm doing
Speaker 1: a series. I had an individual on the show two
Speaker 1: weeks ago talking about mentorship and a lot of people
Speaker 1: are not understanding the value of mentorship when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, because we didn't use that word. You know,
Speaker 1: it was just somebody who came along and it advised you,
Speaker 1: or we now know they were mentoring me. I now know.
Speaker 1: I I looking back at my life. Sure, I know
Speaker 1: I was being mentored. I didn't get to this radio
Speaker 1: show by myself. Mentorship, advocacy and sponsorship drove me through
Speaker 1: the these paths where I didn't know or didn't see
Speaker 1: the value of myself, didn't understand how to get a promotion,
Speaker 1: and it helped me. Before we go to break how
Speaker 1: important was the mentorship in your life?
Speaker 2: Mentorship? You know, as you can see in my book
Speaker 2: as you read, mentorship is keen. Sponsorship is powerful. So
Speaker 2: mentorship is keen. Sponsorship is powerful, and so we'll we
Speaker 2: can break those down so everybody can understand the difference.
Speaker 2: Because some people use those words interchangeably. They are not
Speaker 2: the same. For me, I was being mentored. In my book,
Speaker 2: I talk about, you know, my first mentor. I learned
Speaker 2: to play the piano by ear when I was a
Speaker 2: young child, and I had a mentor that helped me
Speaker 2: through that process. And I talk about that. As you said,
Speaker 2: I didn't name her my mentor. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: that what she was until you know, you look back
Speaker 2: at things and how things happen, and you just like
Speaker 2: they helped me, They mentored me, they guided me through
Speaker 2: the process. So people have mentors throughout their lives. They
Speaker 2: just have to see them and take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the key is seeing them and understanding them. Now
Speaker 1: the young people get it. I'm going to go to break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and continue this conversation about mentorship,
Speaker 1: advocacy and sponsorship, doing extra work and not being paid
Speaker 1: for it. I've talked about that a lot on my show.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you when I got this book, I went like,
Speaker 1: this is my book because this is all I've been preaching.
Speaker 2: Cheryl.
Speaker 1: So you came to the right door. You're knocked on
Speaker 1: the right door on Money Making Conversations master Class because
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell your story. Let everybody know how important
Speaker 1: this book is for them to read. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversation Masterclass. This is Rasean MC,
Speaker 1: your host. I am speaking to Cheryl Orange. She wrote
Speaker 1: the book The Courage to Continue Navigating Your Corporate Journey
Speaker 1: and three pillows. I call them pillows because they stood
Speaker 1: out for me when I read the book Mentorship, Advocacy
Speaker 1: and Sponsorship. Those three pillows gave her the career and
Speaker 1: the navigation ability to go and rise through the corporate world.
Speaker 1: Am I correcting an assessment, Cheryl that that is correct.
Speaker 2: That is correct. And I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: everybody understands, especially my college student, that mentorship and sponsorship
Speaker 2: and advocacy are different. You know, mentorship, you can I
Speaker 2: put it in the analogy of a choir. My mentors.
Speaker 2: I am the lead singer. You know, you are the
Speaker 2: lead singer of your choir. Your mentors are the people
Speaker 2: that are the background. They're helping you, you know, rehearse.
Speaker 2: They're helping you to get your voice right, get your
Speaker 2: tone correct. They're helping you to get all the skills
Speaker 2: so that when you are so lowing at you're the
Speaker 2: best that you can beat. Your sponsors are kind of
Speaker 2: like your pr people. They're out there knocking down doors
Speaker 2: to get you gigs and to get you in a
Speaker 2: position where you can show off your tools, your pipes,
Speaker 2: you can sing. They're out there on your behalf getting
Speaker 2: you the job. They're in rooms that you're not in.
Speaker 2: They're speaking about you. They're saying you can do it.
Speaker 2: You've just got to win. It's your time. You just
Speaker 2: got to get up and lead and do and be
Speaker 2: the best singer that you can beat. So your mentors
Speaker 2: are helping you be your skills. You have to perform,
Speaker 2: but your sponsors are people that are helping you to
Speaker 2: get out in front, get the new jobs, get the position,
Speaker 2: get the gig, if you will, they're out there promoting you.
Speaker 2: Your advocates are the people when you are not in
Speaker 2: the room and your sponsor is Your advocates are the
Speaker 2: people that are sitting around the table that's saying you
Speaker 2: know what. Yeah, I heard her. I heard her at
Speaker 2: her last gig and she was Bob. You know. They
Speaker 2: are the people that are supporting you as well, but
Speaker 2: they are in the room when you're not there. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But it makes a lot of sense because that's why
Speaker 1: I'm letting you talk because I've used all those examples
Speaker 1: because when I was in doubt, you know, it was
Speaker 1: my sponsor who pushed me out front when I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I have to say. It was my advocate
Speaker 1: who encouraged other people understand and listen to what he
Speaker 1: can do, believe in him. It was the mentor that
Speaker 1: was the person that I didn't really understand that. That
Speaker 1: was the silent that was the silent parent, the you know,
Speaker 1: the teacher, you know, I always tell people I got
Speaker 1: in college because my teacher signed me, had me sign
Speaker 1: an application that I didn't know what I was signing,
Speaker 1: And it turned out that's the application that got me
Speaker 1: into the University of Houston. That was a mentorship. She
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that, and so and I could
Speaker 1: think of back many people in my life who stepped
Speaker 1: to the plate because they saw me when I wanted
Speaker 1: to go. I always tell people they put bumps in
Speaker 1: your life. They bump you. You know, when I wanted
Speaker 1: to go left and take the easy route, they bumped
Speaker 1: you and kept you right. And I always share this
Speaker 1: story because you shared a lot of great stories in
Speaker 1: your book. When I went from the eighth grade to
Speaker 1: the ninth grade, I was tired of being you know,
Speaker 1: the drum, you know, the drum major as doctor Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King, being out front. You know, I was tired
Speaker 1: of that. So I dropped all my core classes and
Speaker 1: signed up for baking and auto mechanic and so on. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I signed up for all those classes. And my teacher,
Speaker 1: who I didn't even know, didn't even know this lady.
Speaker 1: She went and called my mom and said and had
Speaker 1: my mom come up to school and said he cannot
Speaker 1: do that. This one right here cannot do that. He
Speaker 1: has a very special place in this world and we
Speaker 1: have to keep him on track. She said that to me,
Speaker 1: I was just crying. I was just crying. That was
Speaker 1: my mentor. That was my mentor. I didn't know. That
Speaker 1: was the same lady who four years later had me
Speaker 1: sign an application to get me in the University of Houston.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know. And all I wanted to
Speaker 1: do when I graduated from high school was to be
Speaker 1: a forklift driver. That's all I wanted to be sure,
Speaker 1: was a forklift driver. And that's what the sponsorship came
Speaker 1: in and said. No, that's when the advocate comes in
Speaker 1: and say you can be better, and I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: you how. So when I read those three pillows, I went,
Speaker 1: this is a book that a lot of young people
Speaker 1: need to understand. Now, my question to you, Cheryl, mentorship,
Speaker 1: sponsorship advocacy. Can that help one overcome racism in the
Speaker 1: corporate world?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if it will overcome, but
Speaker 2: it will definitely help in my opinion, because I will
Speaker 2: I will share that not all of my mentors have
Speaker 2: looked like me and quite frankly, My very first mentor
Speaker 2: was a white male and he saw, as you said,
Speaker 2: something in me and says, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 2: to spend time with you to help you learn what
Speaker 2: you need to learn, because you you fresh off the boat.
Speaker 2: I help you. And he took me in and showed
Speaker 2: me all the different ways you can do things and
Speaker 2: how you can get things done within the organization. And
Speaker 2: so but with his co signing, and at that age,
Speaker 2: you know, you think you need to be co signed
Speaker 2: at an early age. You know, with his co signing,
Speaker 2: that helped me to maneuver throughout the company. You know,
Speaker 2: as I've gotten older, you know co signing is not
Speaker 2: as important from that perspective, but you do need some
Speaker 2: part of that. Somebody is to vouch for you, as
Speaker 2: you said, advocate for you. You need people to do that.
Speaker 2: And so that may help you from a racism perspective
Speaker 2: when others say just look at you and count you off.
Speaker 2: If you have someone co signing you that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: look like you, that may help you get over the
Speaker 2: hunts just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know, you being a female and you're in
Speaker 1: that tech industry, you know, because if you believe your
Speaker 1: degree was with m I s right.
Speaker 2: Computer computer science.
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am uh, navigating that dominated industry and technology. How
Speaker 1: did it?
Speaker 2: Did it?
Speaker 1: Did did you get frustrated by? And how did you
Speaker 1: overcome those moments of male and I'm sure's the white
Speaker 1: male world that you were in that allowed you to
Speaker 1: still have this conversation with me and still be positive.
Speaker 2: Well, of course I was frustrated, and to be quite
Speaker 2: frank with you, still can be frustrating today being the
Speaker 2: only black, the only female in the room. It's quite
Speaker 2: frustrating sometimes, but you know you have to go back.
Speaker 2: For me. I go back and I think about, you know,
Speaker 2: my granddad was frustrated, probably marking that X. So what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. You know, you need to get over
Speaker 2: that and keep pressing. And that's what I think we
Speaker 2: have to do. In my book, I talk about a
Speaker 2: concept of three teams. When you're getting frustrated, take a
Speaker 2: deep breath. Sometimes you have to raise your finger like
Speaker 2: you in church and tip out the meaning go and
Speaker 2: get yourself together, because you know it will be frustrating.
Speaker 2: But we've got to see the bigger picture, the bigger vision,
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, don't come out the bag
Speaker 2: on this one. You need to get it together and
Speaker 2: come back in and sit in your space because you're
Speaker 2: here for a reason. Everybody is in a space for
Speaker 2: a reason. But make the best out of your space
Speaker 2: and where you are. And that's what I think the
Speaker 2: beauty is when we can understand we're here for a reason,
Speaker 2: we're here for a time, and so we have to
Speaker 2: do the best we can with what we have, and
Speaker 2: don't just be frustrated. Turn that frustration into action. I
Speaker 2: talked about take those limits. You got that frustration and
Speaker 2: make some lemonade.
Speaker 1: Figure out how now you're gonna cut your on me now? Cheryl,
Speaker 1: you living at the lemonade, Come on now. But as
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the author of the courage to continue
Speaker 1: to navigating your corporate journey. As we wrap up this interview,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of minutes left here, Cheryl, as
Speaker 1: a founding member of the FedEx African American Committee, what
Speaker 1: initiative initiatives did you champion to promote diversity and inclusion
Speaker 1: within the company.
Speaker 2: So, as I shared with you earlier, I was at
Speaker 2: FedEx about twenty six years and you know, my first
Speaker 2: couple of years, we created This African American Committee was
Speaker 2: what now is today a BRG, a business resource group
Speaker 2: in comp in Corporate America, that's what they call them.
Speaker 2: And so what we started to do was bring the
Speaker 2: forefront issues of African Americans in the company and we
Speaker 2: created forums where people could get interview help so that
Speaker 2: they can progress on into you know, management positions. We
Speaker 2: did resume building, you know, we were starting now. Mind you,
Speaker 2: this is twenty years twenty six years ago or so,
Speaker 2: we were starting to build that network and even today
Speaker 2: they are still doing those things at FedEx. For the
Speaker 2: resource group, we actually every Black History we have a
Speaker 2: Black History Month celebration where we have people like Donna
Speaker 2: Brazil and Ben Hooks came before he passed away. We
Speaker 2: have major people coming in and motivating us to keep
Speaker 2: moving because we've got to keep moving. We can this
Speaker 2: then still and so we created forums and places for
Speaker 2: us to just be and feel safe, feel a part
Speaker 2: of something not just work work work. We have a
Speaker 2: community now where we can come together and do all
Speaker 2: kinds of things together. And I feel really good about,
Speaker 2: you know, being a founding member of making that happen
Speaker 2: across the company that now has five hundred thousand employees.
Speaker 1: She's special. Her name is from Bessemer, Alabama, right outside
Speaker 1: of Birmingham, and got fifty five thousand people in there.
Speaker 1: When she was raising it about just twenty of them.
Speaker 1: She threw some extra numbers. She throw extra five thousand.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. It wasn't nothing but twenty thousand
Speaker 1: running around there. But she's little. She thought big, big
Speaker 1: numbers her book. They're courage to continue navigating your corporate journey.
Speaker 2: Cheryl.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Wow. It's always appreciate. You know, the life
Speaker 1: I led had relevancy and your book allowed me to
Speaker 1: see that. And I want to continue to help you
Speaker 1: promote this as we exit. Where can we get this book?
Speaker 2: You can get this book on Cherylborrange dot com. That
Speaker 2: is if you'd like an autographed copy, but if you
Speaker 2: would like to just have the book, it's Barnesondoble dot com,
Speaker 2: Amazon dot com, anywhere you can buy books, you can
Speaker 2: probably get my book.
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. I really want to appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on the show. And we go talk soon because
Speaker 1: this is a book, mentorship, sponsorship, advocacy. You can't go
Speaker 1: wrong and you have a great day, And again, thank
Speaker 1: you for Calling Money Making Conversation Master Class.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for having me. I enjoyed it.
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