Speaker 1: But there's this one time at the height of my
Speaker 1: career when I had just bought the latest car, did
Speaker 1: that Escali, the first one in East Africa with twenty
Speaker 1: four in spinning wheels, that I had passed outside the
Speaker 1: nightclub when a young man my age walked up to me,
Speaker 1: pulled me out of the car and slapped the hell
Speaker 1: out of me, and pulled up the gun and put
Speaker 1: it on my face and asked me why I was
Speaker 1: showing off, as if I did not know that the
Speaker 1: Canja had owners. Well, that was the beginning of my
Speaker 1: realization that my money, and my sexes and my stardom
Speaker 1: did not matter if there was no freedom.
Speaker 2: Freedom.
Speaker 3: Bobby Wye and his wife Barbie are not only a
Speaker 3: loving young couple literally in their forties, they have shown
Speaker 3: an entire country that you can find for what you
Speaker 3: believe in. They're providing inspirations simply by existing.
Speaker 2: It's the greatest suspersion.
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Speaker 4: Chappi is the be a championa champion and carri Chappi
Speaker 4: and the champion and carry chappion and carried Shepi.
Speaker 3: The greatest sporsion entertainment can Nacki Whear. So today's guest
Speaker 3: is Bobby Wine his beautiful wife Barbie Uh. And I
Speaker 3: think many of you know of Bobby Wine. He is
Speaker 3: known as a very popular singer, a singer from Uganda
Speaker 3: who has basically taken his music and turned it into
Speaker 3: activism and ultimately he ran for president in Uganda. Now,
Speaker 3: the story that I'm bringing you today perhaps is it
Speaker 3: necessarily mainstream news, and it reminds me of how we
Speaker 3: have so much going on in the world, but we
Speaker 3: only know about what the media tells us, which is
Speaker 3: why I say the media is so powerful. Like we
Speaker 3: know about the Israel Ojamas War, we know about what's
Speaker 3: going on in Ukraine, but do we know about what's
Speaker 3: going on in Ganda? And the answer to that question
Speaker 3: is simply no. In October twenty twenty three, National Geographic
Speaker 3: released a documentary film entitled Bobby Wine The People's President.
Speaker 3: It's streaming on Disney Plus, Hulu and YouTube. You guys
Speaker 3: can find it. But by way of background, it chronicles
Speaker 3: five years from twenty fourteen to twenty twenty one. Bobby
Speaker 3: Wine it his wife are followed in their pursuit to
Speaker 3: provide some sort of democracy in that country. But the
Speaker 3: film gives us an inside and very honest look, very
Speaker 3: graphic look at Bobby Wine's personal pursuit to change the
Speaker 3: country that he loves his homeland. It is arguably very
Speaker 3: revealing in terms of dictatorship. But what I find very
Speaker 3: interesting is that the world knows nothing about it. There
Speaker 3: are so many atrocities happening in this country, in this
Speaker 3: world rather and we know nothing about it unless the
Speaker 3: media covers it, or you have someone like Bobby Wine
Speaker 3: who uses this platform in his voice to give a
Speaker 3: voice for the voice less. He and his wife have
Speaker 3: risked their lives, and that's not a joke. Several assassination
Speaker 3: attempts on his life, he says, as you'll hear in
Speaker 3: this particular episode of Naked, he is here by the
Speaker 3: grace of God, he believes. But I wanted to share
Speaker 3: this story with you, not only because the documentary is
Speaker 3: amazing and it's honest, and it's the education that we need.
Speaker 3: I want you to imagine that there is something happening
Speaker 3: outside of your home, where you live, the country that
Speaker 3: you live in. We complained every single day about what
Speaker 3: I feel is a privilege. I'm sitting here telling you
Speaker 3: this while I'm in my apartment in New York, my
Speaker 3: second home, and I'm complaining because the heat's not hot
Speaker 3: enough for me. Went out And it's a real privilege
Speaker 3: to complain to someone knowing that it will be fixed
Speaker 3: and repaired and I can go about living my day
Speaker 3: and have my own personal freedoms. It's something that I
Speaker 3: don't even think twice about. But imagine a country where
Speaker 3: eighty five percent of the people are under the age
Speaker 3: of thirty and it's being run Their president who currently
Speaker 3: runs that country is a dictator. He tries to assassinate
Speaker 3: folks who try to oppose him in elections. He changed
Speaker 3: the law so if he could stay in power, and
Speaker 3: the people of that country are frustrated. They want him out.
Speaker 3: And the one person who came close to defeating the president,
Speaker 3: in fact he did, was Bobby Wine. And they stole
Speaker 3: the election. Not some Donald Trump stole the election. They
Speaker 3: literally stole the election from him because he won and
Speaker 3: no one was there to help. So with that being said,
Speaker 3: I want to introduce you to Bobby Wine, the People's
Speaker 3: President Champion.
Speaker 2: And Kary Chappion and Carried chap.
Speaker 3: I would like to begin just before we talk about
Speaker 3: the docuseries that people can watch on Disney Plus and
Speaker 3: Hulu and YouTube. I would like to begin with if
Speaker 3: you both could tell me if you could describe what's
Speaker 3: happening in Uganda right now, the political state of your home,
Speaker 3: and what you hope for in terms of a better future.
Speaker 1: Well, I wish I would present my country in better light,
Speaker 1: but the reality is that Uganda is a young country
Speaker 1: that continues to suffer under the yoke of a thirty
Speaker 1: seven year old military dictatorship by general you're in seventy,
Speaker 1: who's been in power for thirty seven years, have been
Speaker 1: taken power violent today in nineteen eighty six, when I
Speaker 1: was for years. But besides that, I also want the
Speaker 1: world to know that Uganda is a beautiful country with
Speaker 1: resilient people, the second youngest country in the world, with
Speaker 1: young people that are determined to reship and redefine their
Speaker 1: destiny and to free up themselves and be able to
Speaker 1: create a country that will make them proud to call
Speaker 1: it home, how.
Speaker 2: To call it rule.
Speaker 3: You have, even your wife, have created a voice for
Speaker 3: those who have no voice. And you are very very determined,
Speaker 3: if not relentless in brain in the process and barbicane.
Speaker 3: You talk to me about how you and your husband
Speaker 3: first met and how you decided to take on this
Speaker 3: adventure sure of being an activist with him.
Speaker 5: I wish telling you of how we are doing with
Speaker 5: the activism was as easy as telling you the story.
Speaker 2: Of how we met.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we met on stage. I was an actress.
Speaker 5: I studied basic does and drama in secondary school for
Speaker 5: six years. So I had just won an alcoholage at
Speaker 5: the National Theater as one of the best actors that
Speaker 5: year in our secondary school. And one of the vigil
Speaker 5: letters was their professor, their teacher at university. So she
Speaker 5: had written a play and she invited me to act
Speaker 5: in that play. So when I came from my secondary
Speaker 5: school to go and do the acting at the National Theater,
Speaker 5: I met him there house No so I realized that
Speaker 5: he was the best at university because during that time
Speaker 5: he was at university studying music and drama, majoring in drama.
Speaker 5: So he had also come to take part in the play.
Speaker 5: This play was called Lady Will was titled Lady Will
Speaker 5: You Marry Me? And he was acting as the president
Speaker 5: and I was given a role to act as the
Speaker 5: first Lady.
Speaker 6: He was mister mouse, and was he was mister cart
Speaker 6: and I was Lady Mouse.
Speaker 3: So it was.
Speaker 5: It was the political play where the cat was the president,
Speaker 5: and this president chose to marry the mouse and made
Speaker 5: high first lady. But you don't want to know how
Speaker 5: the story ended. This politician was a liar. He hit
Speaker 5: me it would yeah.
Speaker 3: That was not when he was the whole mounted Could
Speaker 3: we ring right now?
Speaker 2: I want to read the professor ROTHI we already find
Speaker 2: the play in real life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you did really define the play and the
Speaker 5: highly political play, very highly political, where this cat promised
Speaker 5: that the cat family was going to work really hard
Speaker 5: towards making equal opportunities for the cats and the mice,
Speaker 5: and there was never going to be this hunting of
Speaker 5: each other, and that everyone would live in harmony. And
Speaker 5: he to write with his presidency. Actually that was twenty
Speaker 5: one years ago, Yes, that was twenty interestingly answering to
Speaker 5: jump in. But interestingly, the speech that I gave in
Speaker 5: that play as a young boy twenty one years ago,
Speaker 5: trying to ask for support from the.
Speaker 2: Animal kingdom, the rats and they might to come together.
Speaker 1: The speech that I give in that play is more
Speaker 1: or less the speech that I give when I was
Speaker 1: being nominated for president, promising a new country for the generation.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, life imitating art, art imitating life.
Speaker 3: How whatever you would like to say. But I love
Speaker 3: that this story you have me defined what it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be in a beautiful way. I think that a
Speaker 3: lot of people would know you. Not a lot of people,
Speaker 3: but people know you for your activism but the end
Speaker 3: that you are a politician. But they also know that
Speaker 3: you are talented in many other ways by be outside
Speaker 3: of acting. Your music has been described in again a conversation,
Speaker 3: I'm just having some say, and I hope this is
Speaker 3: not offensive to you, but some would say you are
Speaker 3: the Bob Marley of your country using.
Speaker 2: The and that is a flat tat I feel flat.
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you your friend Charlotte Marie was
Speaker 3: explaining on for that. To me, it was like I
Speaker 3: would call him about Marley, and I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I think as apropos and and and it's beautiful to
Speaker 3: see how you were seeing. What did you use your
Speaker 3: music to do initially when you first started singing. Was
Speaker 3: it to change lives? Was it to speak for those
Speaker 3: who didn't have a voice, or was it no.
Speaker 2: It was a bad boy. It was rock. It was
Speaker 2: it was bad boy. It was about the girls and
Speaker 2: the music and the weed and the party.
Speaker 6: I know, I know that he was called the Ladies Wine.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 7: That the Ladies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fancy. It was all bad boy music
Speaker 2: and I was having fun and it was making me
Speaker 2: lots of money. Actually got very successful.
Speaker 1: But there is this one time at the height of
Speaker 1: my career when I just bote the latest carded that escally,
Speaker 1: the first one in East Africa with twenty four in
Speaker 1: spinning wheels, that I had packed outside the nightclub, when
Speaker 1: a young man my age walked up to me, pulled
Speaker 1: me out of the car and slapped the hell out
Speaker 1: of me, and pulled up the gun and put it
Speaker 1: on my face and asked me why I was showing off,
Speaker 1: as if I did not know that the country had owners. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the beginning of my realization that my money
Speaker 1: and my seccess and my stardom did not matter if
Speaker 1: there was no freedom. The humiliation that I faced reminded
Speaker 1: me of the humiliation that had been with lensing other
Speaker 1: people going through and I had been deceitfully shielded from
Speaker 1: me because I was friends with the powerful a mighty.
Speaker 1: But when this happened, I realized that if there's no justice,
Speaker 1: if there's no freedom for everybody, even my pseudo freedom
Speaker 1: was a city was alive. That day, my music transformed
Speaker 1: that I started singing about justice. My music started being
Speaker 1: activism music, revolutionary music. In fact, I cod named it
Speaker 1: eighty attainment, not entertainment, so that I was the transformation
Speaker 1: that I went through and for then for the next
Speaker 1: ten years, I sang about injustices and the realities, until
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, when I realized that thinging about it alone
Speaker 1: was not enough.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 1: Social capital, I had a social acceptance, and many of
Speaker 1: my friends, who had by that time nicknamed me the
Speaker 1: Ghetto President. They pushed me to go on an even
Speaker 1: more formal platform to talk about these things. And I
Speaker 1: looked back at Bob Marley, who had been singing about things.
Speaker 1: I looked back at Mohammad Ali, I looked back at Tupac,
Speaker 1: and I was doing the same thing. But I had
Speaker 1: to take the chiga. That's why I say that if
Speaker 1: the Parliament cannot come to the ghetto, the ghetto will
Speaker 1: go to the Parliament and they get to win. To
Speaker 1: the Parliament and pass the parliament. Now the ghetto wants
Speaker 1: to go to the Ugana and White House.
Speaker 2: That's right. I love that.
Speaker 3: I think that it is fair to say that the
Speaker 3: People's President. The docuseries chronicles the last five years of
Speaker 3: your life, in your life, and I believe when people
Speaker 3: watch us, if they have not already watched it, they'll
Speaker 3: have a culture, better understanding and great respect for the
Speaker 3: courage of the people of Uganda. Barbie, this question is
Speaker 3: for you, I wonder as his wife, I know that
Speaker 3: you've been through a lot. Your entire family has been
Speaker 3: through so much. You were just recently arrested for no reason, Bobby,
Speaker 3: So talk to me, Barbie, about how you keep the
Speaker 3: family stable, if you will, in terms of uh of
Speaker 3: being strong when sometimes it seems fearful. Okay.
Speaker 5: So they say that you don't know what to do
Speaker 5: for a situation until you're in that situation. Nobody prepared
Speaker 5: us for this. Nobody who wonders about what we're going
Speaker 5: to find there. We've found ourselves fighting against a bigger
Speaker 5: than life situation. So it has always been survival, survival, survival,
Speaker 5: So every day we are walking towards staying alive, but
Speaker 5: in the In the film, you just see that the
Speaker 5: camera following us our family. There are so many untold
Speaker 5: stories of very many bold with women, very many women
Speaker 5: who are not just cheerer leaders, but who are at
Speaker 5: the front line, women that if that camera followed them,
Speaker 5: you just be amazed by their strength. Ours or mine
Speaker 5: is nothing to look at compared to what those other
Speaker 5: women have done. So I am just this image that
Speaker 5: has been put in a place where the camera focuses
Speaker 5: on what we go through.
Speaker 6: But what we go through is not even half one
Speaker 6: the women at the front line go for. So what
Speaker 6: you see is just a little bit of what happens
Speaker 6: in our country.
Speaker 5: So I just give it up to all those other
Speaker 5: women who are strong and who I get the strength from,
Speaker 5: because I get the strength from those very women who
Speaker 5: are surviving at the front line. I am in the
Speaker 5: comfort of my home, just praig that my husband will
Speaker 5: come home, But they at the front line, demanding for
Speaker 5: their president, putting their lives on the line. So they
Speaker 5: give me so much strength to play my small part.
Speaker 5: And I'm just blessed that our children are strong individuals.
Speaker 5: They watched everything happened, and none of them ever seemed
Speaker 5: to be abandoned to be one of them took the
Speaker 5: challenge by like with grace, and I'm very glad that
Speaker 5: they did. And they also saw some children lose their
Speaker 5: parents in this struggle, like proper dead. They went for
Speaker 5: some of the barriers and these children are their friends.
Speaker 5: So I think they also derived the strength from these
Speaker 5: kids who had actually lost their parents but were strong.
Speaker 5: So they felt like they can't start big childish when
Speaker 5: someone has actually lost their parents. So we pray together
Speaker 5: with the right we will get our strength from the
Speaker 5: stronger individuals in the struggle. We have family that's there
Speaker 5: for us whenever we are not able to do some things.
Speaker 5: You know, Africa, we have big families, so we have
Speaker 5: each other rely on. Yeah, basically it's a mixture of
Speaker 5: so many things, but the main point is as the
Speaker 5: riving the strength from those other women that are actually
Speaker 5: going head on.
Speaker 2: You do it together.
Speaker 3: It's the collective. You guys are working together. I think
Speaker 3: that's beautiful. Hey, everybody, we've got to pay some bills,
Speaker 3: you know that, So this is really an important message.
Speaker 3: We'll do me a favor. Fast forward if you have to,
Speaker 3: but stay, stay here and listen and find out ways
Speaker 3: in which you can support Bobby and his wife Barbara.
Speaker 3: He'll be right back in just a few moments.
Speaker 4: Every champion and Cary champion is to be a champion,
Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion and carried chat. Be a
Speaker 4: champion and carried chappion and carried chatt is his sport
Speaker 4: and entertainment.
Speaker 2: Get naked word.
Speaker 4: Every champion, the carby champion is to be a champion,
Speaker 4: a champion and carried champion. Nigger hut a champion and
Speaker 4: carried champion and carried chat afraid entertainment.
Speaker 2: Get naked word.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to naked We still have Bobby and his
Speaker 3: wife Barbara. I appreciate y'all. Bobby, can you talk to
Speaker 3: us about your touring twenty one presidential bid in Uganda
Speaker 3: where we believe that you want to race, but it
Speaker 3: was stolen from you and there was still so much
Speaker 3: hope even in that, even in that theft, because the
Speaker 3: possibility of what could be is real. How do you
Speaker 3: describe that entire time while running for president in your country?
Speaker 1: WHOA in one statement, it's going to hell and coming back. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it was the most bloody experience in my life.
Speaker 1: It is the most fraudulent election. I believe in history.
Speaker 1: You know, we went through an election that was more
Speaker 1: like the Wall. I campaigned putting on a bullet proof
Speaker 1: vest and a ballistic helmet. I watched my close friends
Speaker 1: being run over by military tracks. I watched my friends
Speaker 1: being shot and killed. I watched the young ladies being
Speaker 1: abducted by the military and the police, and up to
Speaker 1: now we don't know where they are. I buried so
Speaker 1: many of my friends. But I also saw, like never before,
Speaker 1: a spirit of and wavering desire for freedom. I saw
Speaker 1: the right of a generation. I saw solidarity from all
Speaker 1: corners of the art.
Speaker 2: I saw hope. I still see hope, hope against hope.
Speaker 2: I I I died and resurrected. Yeah. Yeah, we did it. Yes,
Speaker 2: we did it.
Speaker 3: I I know that my even in reading your story
Speaker 3: and and talking about it with the film The Dark Series,
Speaker 3: there was attempt to assassinate you and they ended up
Speaker 3: killing your driver.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Many attempts, many many.
Speaker 6: Yeah, film shows one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the film shows only one attempt, and that is
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen when my driver was shot and killed
Speaker 1: and I survived that. But there were three more attempts
Speaker 1: during the presidential election when bullets were shot in my car.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I used not to have so much faith, but those
Speaker 1: survivors made me believe that there's a higher power.
Speaker 2: That's right. I agree.
Speaker 3: What what do you all plan to do when you
Speaker 3: look when you look at this film and all that
Speaker 3: you've accomplished, and that's just five years and I'm sure
Speaker 3: they left out as mentioned so much more. But it
Speaker 3: does give you a really good idea of the battle
Speaker 3: and the struggle that is happening in Uganda. But you
Speaker 3: say there is still hope, Barbi, What does the future
Speaker 3: look like for you all? What would you say it's next?
Speaker 6: The future is very very bright.
Speaker 2: That's right, baby, that's right.
Speaker 1: The future right, we are going to win. We are
Speaker 1: going to be free, but I don't know how and when,
Speaker 1: but for sure, we are convinced that we are going
Speaker 1: to be free because looking at what other people have
Speaker 1: gone through, looking at what the people of South Africa
Speaker 1: have gone through and how they overcame it under the
Speaker 1: able leadership of Nelson Mandela, what the people in America,
Speaker 1: especially the black people have gone through. And looking back
Speaker 1: in the days of Malcolmics and doctor Martin Luther King,
Speaker 1: oppressed people have never stated op pressed forever and that
Speaker 1: good has never lost to evil. So we are sure
Speaker 1: we are going to win. We are sure because we
Speaker 1: are on the right side of morality, the right side
Speaker 1: of history, and we believe God is on now on site.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we know that the young people of Uganda
Speaker 5: are not going to give up. Yeah, they are young.
Speaker 5: Our country is one of the youngest countries in the world.
Speaker 5: Over eighty percent of our population is below the edge
Speaker 5: of thirty. That they are all very vigilant and they're
Speaker 5: fighting for their widow gret godness, Wait.
Speaker 3: Eighty eighty five percent or under the age of thirty
Speaker 3: in Uganda.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, they've never seen another president. I mean
Speaker 1: I am forty one and back home, I am an
Speaker 1: old man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're that trust me.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 3: So here's what's interesting to me, and this is that
Speaker 3: when you are in your twenties or right there, even
Speaker 3: in your thirties, you're very active and you're very aware.
Speaker 3: And once the people have the knowledge, they then have power.
Speaker 3: These are all things that we hear and say. But
Speaker 3: I do understand that's a very activated age. This president
Speaker 3: that is the only president that they know. Do you
Speaker 3: feel is if there is a contingency or a group
Speaker 3: of people that really want him in because he.
Speaker 7: Serves a purpose, or is he ruling with fear. He
Speaker 7: is ruling with fear, with fear by the barrow of
Speaker 7: the gun. But yes, every dictator in the world has
Speaker 7: the people that benefit from his dictatorship, those within the
Speaker 7: country and those outside the country. Now those within the
Speaker 7: country are first his family and they polite to coelite
Speaker 7: that benefit from the massive corruption, and of course the
Speaker 7: foreign elements which benefit from the massive natural.
Speaker 2: Wealth that we have.
Speaker 1: Our country is reaching gold and recently the biggest depositing
Speaker 1: in the world was discovered in Uganda, is reaching oil,
Speaker 1: in uranium and many others.
Speaker 2: So we believe that there are.
Speaker 1: Those forces that benefit from the exploitation of our resources
Speaker 1: that helped General seven stay in power. So yes, he
Speaker 1: rules with fear, but she also rules with the support
Speaker 1: of those that are unfairly benefiting from the wealth of
Speaker 1: our country.
Speaker 3: You went to Ukraine when the war began or sometimes
Speaker 3: during war, and you Li Liken Prout and the to
Speaker 3: the President of Uganda in terms of the way in
Speaker 3: which he rules. Was there a solidarity that you sent
Speaker 3: with the Ukrainian people? That you recognized and as if
Speaker 3: it's the same with your people in Uganda.
Speaker 1: Yes, I went to Ukraine because I believe that wrong
Speaker 1: is wrong wherever it is, and I wanted to stand
Speaker 1: with the people of Ukraine. But also, of course it
Speaker 1: was such a risk to go there, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to also get the moral authority to tell the international
Speaker 1: community that of the African lives matter too. You know,
Speaker 1: the way they stood with Ukraine when they're fighting for
Speaker 1: self determination is the way they should stand with Africa.
Speaker 1: They should judge all dictators with the same standards. You know,
Speaker 1: if General seven, who was a European president, doing that
Speaker 1: European people, he would not be president today. But on
Speaker 1: the eighteenth and nineteenth of November twenty twenty in massacred
Speaker 1: more than one hundred and fifty innocent people, including women
Speaker 1: and children and the elderly on camera, and this was
Speaker 1: filmed by international journalists. Only a few weeks later, he
Speaker 1: was receiving billions of money. General seven receives up to
Speaker 1: a billion US dollars annually from the United States. Now
Speaker 1: that should not be because it is that money that
Speaker 1: is keeping us under subjugation. We said it numerously that
Speaker 1: We are not asking for americas help. We're not asking
Speaker 1: America to come and save us. We are only asking
Speaker 1: them to stop sponsoring our oppression.
Speaker 3: You know, that's so well said. Don't sponsor the oppression.
Speaker 3: Don't and by the way, don't ignore it. You mentioned that,
Speaker 3: and I think of it so often. You think of
Speaker 3: the world that we live in and the lighter the
Speaker 3: skin and the more protected you are. And it's so
Speaker 3: unfortunate because we see it day in and day out
Speaker 3: with the companies that the US chooses, that mean seen
Speaker 3: in the countries that the US chooses to support. I
Speaker 3: and this is for everyone who was listening. I really,
Speaker 3: I really encourage you to go out and watch this
Speaker 3: docu series again. It came out in October. It is
Speaker 3: on YouTube, It is on Disney Plus, which I think
Speaker 3: is I think is interesting, and then it's also on Hulu.
Speaker 3: Good for you guys to get all of that distribution.
Speaker 3: That is huge because it can reach a lot people.
Speaker 6: I'm very grateful to not Geo.
Speaker 3: For doing Yeah, that Geo, which is it's amazing. And Richard,
Speaker 3: tell me your working relationship with that Jill. How did
Speaker 3: this all this film come about?
Speaker 5: No body, it's not jail. This is not a supposed advert, Okay,
Speaker 5: just believe me. This is a genuine response to how
Speaker 5: they have dealt with our film from the beginning, giving
Speaker 5: it all these opportunities, all these exposures are indebted telling
Speaker 5: us story all over the world and giving it prime space.
Speaker 6: We are in dated we have and.
Speaker 1: If i'm as if I may mention, also believe me
Speaker 1: there are so many oppressed people across the world, the
Speaker 1: many painful stories. They are painful stories in the Congo
Speaker 1: or that have been ongoing, many painful stories in Somalia,
Speaker 1: in Soudan and other places. We're only honored and likely
Speaker 1: to see that the case study in Uganda got this opportunity,
Speaker 1: and I hope that our story will be an inlet
Speaker 1: to the attention of all other stories across the world
Speaker 1: of people. We hope that this is not only a
Speaker 1: focus on our operasion. And I've always said it that
Speaker 1: once we free up, we will always use our country
Speaker 1: as a launch part for the freedom of all other people.
Speaker 1: So we're only grateful that we've got this opportunity with
Speaker 1: na Jeo to tell our story, and we hope our
Speaker 1: story inspires all other people, especially young people of our
Speaker 1: generation to believe in freedom, and not only to believe,
Speaker 1: but to go out there to risk it all to
Speaker 1: make sure that they change the fortunes of their nations
Speaker 1: and to say that they see a day of freedom
Speaker 1: and liberty in their lifetime.
Speaker 3: Amen, I received that. I'm activated, I'm ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Where we're going, I'll let go, oh fallow.
Speaker 4: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,
Speaker 4: a champion, and carry champion and carry chat be out
Speaker 4: a champion and carry Champion and carry Champion entertainment.
Speaker 7: Getting naked Weird.
Speaker 4: Erry Champion and carry Champion is to be a champion,
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Speaker 2: Entertainment.
Speaker 3: Get naked Weird. Barbie you said this, and I and
Speaker 3: I and I'm curious because I listened to how passionate
Speaker 3: Bobby is and Barbie you on your Instagram you had this.
Speaker 3: I was just, you know, perusing, and you had something
Speaker 3: that I thought was beautiful and it was simple and
Speaker 3: it was your daughter. And I think she might have
Speaker 3: been singing. I don't know she was singing, but you said,
Speaker 3: give me motherhood any day, and I thought that was
Speaker 3: a really beautiful, beautiful and and I wonder, are you
Speaker 3: aware that you're raising activists and if they if they
Speaker 3: decided to pick up, we're bobbing left off. How does
Speaker 3: that make you feel?
Speaker 6: Just ask me how it is making me feel.
Speaker 5: I have a fifteen year old who is vocal about
Speaker 5: international issues. I won't tell you Instagram handle, I will
Speaker 5: not tell it anybody because sometimes we are now in
Speaker 5: the crisis of trying to tell her, you know, in
Speaker 5: two year, can't take some time.
Speaker 6: You need guidance from us.
Speaker 5: But she has a view or what is happening in
Speaker 5: Israel and Ghazand, what is happening in Ukraine, what's happening
Speaker 5: is that? What's happening in Barandi? What's happening about the
Speaker 5: oil in Uganda and Tanzania? She is so you know,
Speaker 5: an apple doesn't fall far away from.
Speaker 2: It makes you. I named that after my mother, so
Speaker 2: it shouldn't surprise us.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so we already knew coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I think every child should be just left to
Speaker 6: be who they want to be with the guidance. As
Speaker 6: an adult and as a parent, you just try to
Speaker 6: guide how you know, based but within the confines of
Speaker 6: yourself and letting them growing and fly and go, because
Speaker 6: you don't want them to stay with a closed linde
Speaker 6: like yours. Because every child is born in their generation
Speaker 6: and generation has a way they deal with things. So
Speaker 6: you don't you don't impose your faults and children.
Speaker 3: No you don't. Yeah, No, you're so right. And by
Speaker 3: the way, that's very generous of you. I don't know
Speaker 3: too many parents who like to have let their children
Speaker 3: have freedom and figure themselves out. They kind of try
Speaker 3: to tell them what they do. So that's very loving
Speaker 3: of you both. Before I let you go, Babby, I
Speaker 3: am curious for those who are listening and those who
Speaker 3: know of your work, how can we support how do
Speaker 3: we support the people of Yougandha and what we hope
Speaker 3: will soon be a democracy, a free nation?
Speaker 1: There, ladies, First, before we even as any support, want
Speaker 1: to appreciate the attention that we have got so far.
Speaker 1: It is because of the attention of the world, especially
Speaker 1: the international community, that I am still alive. Have been
Speaker 1: rested many times, but the only thing that kept me
Speaker 1: alive at the international outcries that forced the regime to
Speaker 1: spit me out.
Speaker 2: So we appreciate.
Speaker 1: We would hope to have continued attention on your gandha,
Speaker 1: to have the wild pay attention to us and whenever
Speaker 1: possible to amplify our voices, kindly follow me on Facebook,
Speaker 1: on Instagram and on TikTok Bobby Why because social media
Speaker 1: is our only boys. We are blocked from our traditional media.
Speaker 1: Back on a musician, but my music is abolished and
Speaker 1: my name is banned the radio, and people are arrested
Speaker 1: and they disappear for just playing my music. So social
Speaker 1: media is our only way. Please amplify our voices. To
Speaker 1: the citizens of the European Union and the United States,
Speaker 1: we request you to kindly amplify our voices by reaching
Speaker 1: out to your leaders, your congressmen and women and asking
Speaker 1: them to change the policy in Uganda, asking them to
Speaker 1: stop sponsoring terror, to spons stop sponsoring dictators, because dictators
Speaker 1: are only kept alive by international money which is actually
Speaker 1: borrowed in our my name, which we and my children
Speaker 1: and my great grandchildren are going to pay. The national
Speaker 1: date in Uganda pristans at chuch and saying rate that
Speaker 1: it would take with the GANNA taxpayers ninety to seven
Speaker 1: years to pay, and that money is being borrowed and
Speaker 1: it's used to oppress us. So if you, the citizens
Speaker 1: of the United States and the European Union, who have
Speaker 1: the leary of protesting for a right, who have the
Speaker 1: privilege of being listened to by leaders, kindly ask your leaders,
Speaker 1: twitch to them, post to them, immail them, and ask
Speaker 1: them to influence a change in the policy in Uganda.
Speaker 1: What are we asking for. We're asking the international community
Speaker 1: to put coalitions of respect for democracy, respect for the
Speaker 1: rule of law, and respect for human rights in exchange
Speaker 1: for cooperation with Uganda, not to continuously just keep paying
Speaker 1: a dictator that uses the money to commit crimes that
Speaker 1: are contrary to the values that bring us together, that
Speaker 1: will keep us safe. The rest we shall do ourselves.
Speaker 1: That's all we're asking for the United States.
Speaker 3: And you want and you want, I want to make
Speaker 3: sure I'm getting this right. You want people to follow
Speaker 3: follow you on all social outlets because that is the
Speaker 3: way in which you were able to share what's going
Speaker 3: on back home, because exactly then and if you don't
Speaker 3: have you need people to really support this platform for
Speaker 3: you and.
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, amplify our voices. Definitely. Bobby had some asks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, after direction and the abductions. We have turned into
Speaker 6: a charity.
Speaker 5: And the National Unity Platform, the political party is spending
Speaker 5: so much money on maintenance of prisoners because they have
Speaker 5: to visit them to take them political prisons. We have
Speaker 5: very many political prisoners in different prisons of the country.
Speaker 5: So the Nationality Platform has to fund all the all
Speaker 5: the families of the missing, the families of the dead
Speaker 5: and the families of those in prison. So and it
Speaker 5: is very expensive. So we will carry drives of donations
Speaker 5: once in a while and we run these drives on
Speaker 5: Bobby's social media platforms. So yeah, when people follow then
Speaker 5: they will know when that time comes and then we
Speaker 5: would ask them to donate towards the course. Also, Iran
Speaker 5: a charity where most of those children are. Our charity
Speaker 5: pays their school fees and looks after them during school time.
Speaker 5: It's called Carrying hat U Ganda. When you google me
Speaker 5: and the charity that Iran, if you go to our website,
Speaker 5: there is a place for donations that also will help us.
Speaker 3: Keep this this this two jenin is it Caring hearts
Speaker 3: Uganda dot com? What website? What is the website?
Speaker 6: Caring hats Yugandha dot.
Speaker 2: Org dot Org.
Speaker 3: It's always order, okay. Bobby Wine and Barbie, thank you
Speaker 3: so much, so very much for the work. Thank you
Speaker 3: for using your voice to speak to those who cannot speak,
Speaker 3: and for your courage because I know it's not easy
Speaker 3: for the folks. Again, you are listening. Nat Geo did
Speaker 3: the docu series. It's available on Disney Plus. It is
Speaker 3: also available on Hulu as well as YouTube. That means
Speaker 3: there's no way in which you cannot watch it. If
Speaker 3: you don't have a streaming service, you have YouTube, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: so go check it out and support that. Thank you
Speaker 3: guys so much. Again. Again, you guys, you should go
Speaker 3: out and support Bobby Wine the People's President. The documentary
Speaker 3: is streaming on Hulu, on Disney Plus, on YouTube. There's
Speaker 3: absolutely no way in which you cannot find it, So
Speaker 3: go out and support. I gotta say this again, it
Speaker 3: really takes a lot of courage to decide that you
Speaker 3: want to go out and speak for those who can't
Speaker 3: speak for themselves. And Bobby and his wife are not
Speaker 3: even in their home country anymore because they can't be.
Speaker 3: They've been exiled. If he will, they cannot return. He
Speaker 3: talked about this in the podcast three attempts, three assassination
Speaker 3: attempts on his life, and he is still here today
Speaker 3: and still fighting. I encourage you to follow him on
Speaker 3: all of his social media platforms so that he can
Speaker 3: help get that message out to you and others, and
Speaker 3: maybe in some form or fashion that people of Uganda
Speaker 3: can have justice. I am done. I am not going
Speaker 3: to complain about not having heat. I am not going
Speaker 3: to complain about the New York look cold because from
Speaker 3: my perspective and from someone else's perspective, I'm living a
Speaker 3: good life. I can't complain. We really can't. When you
Speaker 3: think about what's happening all over this world, we really
Speaker 3: truly can't complain. Today's podcast is teaching me correct to
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. I'll talk to you all next week.