Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Vanessa Bayer and this is my brother Jonah.
Speaker 3: We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood
Speaker 3: and nostalgia and how shaped us into the people we are.
Speaker 4: Today, who are very excited to take a deep dive
Speaker 4: into today's episode.
Speaker 2: If I do say so.
Speaker 1: Myself, Welcome to how did We get Weird?
Speaker 4: So, Jonah, we have some really exciting news about our dad,
Speaker 4: Yes we do. Our dad had a recent interaction in
Speaker 4: the suburbs of Cleveland where he lives. And do you
Speaker 4: want to recount it for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: And so our dad had an incident with this car
Speaker 3: where he was driving on the road and I guess
Speaker 3: he ran over a bungee cord and it somehow flew
Speaker 3: up and knocked the handle off his door, right, So
Speaker 3: he went to the dealership, as he told us, and
Speaker 3: it was like very expensive. They wanted like one thousand
Speaker 3: dollars or something to fix this, and so he negotiated
Speaker 3: with them and he couldn't get the price down, but
Speaker 3: they were like, you can go to this other place
Speaker 3: in the area.
Speaker 1: They might be able to do it cheaper.
Speaker 3: So he went in there and then was trying to
Speaker 3: get a quote and the manager was like, he gave
Speaker 3: the guy, the manager his license, and the manager was like,
Speaker 3: are you the first Todd which we talk about in
Speaker 3: this podcast all the time. Our dad is a first
Speaker 3: person named Todd. And he was like yes. And this guy,
Speaker 3: so he thinks, was a big fan of our podcast
Speaker 3: and was like, I listened all the time. It was
Speaker 3: actually a childhood friend of mine. Yes, So I want
Speaker 3: to give him a shout out. Anthony Rockman. He works
Speaker 3: for I wish, I wish I could remember the name
Speaker 3: of the place. I think it's like a Nissan place
Speaker 3: somewhere to Ohio. Yeah, probably'd be better advertising if I
Speaker 3: knew the name of the place and where it was.
Speaker 3: I'm going to find it right now. Jonah, Okay, well
Speaker 3: you're looking it up. But yeah, this is someone who
Speaker 3: actually we didn't even go to high school with. This
Speaker 3: is someone who I think just really went Yeah. I
Speaker 3: think he transferred to Bedford or something. But yeah, he
Speaker 3: listens to the podcast and recognized our dad and hooked
Speaker 3: him up with a sweet deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Anthony Rockman, I believe he works at Bedford Nissan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's a manager at Bedford Nissan, and I guess ask
Speaker 4: for him and say, you know the first not yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And by the way, Anthony, we apologize if we're like
Speaker 4: sort of promising deals to people, but you're not going
Speaker 4: to give them two. But at least we know we
Speaker 4: I do believe that our dad got his car back
Speaker 4: and he had had a quality job done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, quality job done, good price. So yeah, check it out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you have car troubles in your Bedford, Ohio. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so that was.
Speaker 2: Very excit or any of the surrounding areas, to be honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't even think you need to have
Speaker 3: a Nissan. I don't think our dam has any No,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have a Nissan. So don't let the name
Speaker 3: Bedford Nissan scar your way. Now, I will say to Anthony,
Speaker 3: as the manager of that company, you might want to
Speaker 3: talk to the owner and say, look, we're limiting ourselves
Speaker 3: with this name. But regardless, they do a great job
Speaker 3: on Nissans and other cars. So should we introduce.
Speaker 4: Our guest, Yes, okay, our guests today. We're very excited.
Speaker 4: She's an actress and commit who co created and co
Speaker 4: starred in NBC's Best Friends Forever in USA Network's Playing House,
Speaker 4: and has appeared in other TV shows and movies such
Speaker 4: as Veep and Bridesmaids, and co hosts the fantastic podcast
Speaker 4: The Deep Dive along with June Diane Raphael.
Speaker 2: Please welcome Jessica Sinclair.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, Hello guys. Thank you so much for having
Speaker 5: me Jessica.
Speaker 2: We're just thrilled to have you.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's funny because I have a younger brother,
Speaker 5: three years younger, and nothing delights me more than being
Speaker 5: with a sister brother duo.
Speaker 1: That because so nice.
Speaker 5: I automatically understand it. I understand that you guys were
Speaker 5: doing synchronized swimming routines in the hotel pools, you.
Speaker 2: Know that, Like there's a certain.
Speaker 5: Kind of prison element to it, where like you're all
Speaker 5: each other has for so many experiences, you know, like
Speaker 5: daring my brother to eat a candy in the funeral
Speaker 5: direct office because we saw like a hundred dead bodies
Speaker 5: at funerals before we were ten, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like that kind of shit is just delights me. So
Speaker 5: it's just so wonderful to be with you too.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: I do feel like we made up some dances together,
Speaker 4: like we had one babysitter around this makeup dances like
Speaker 4: you're all each other has.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a babysitter who's like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: set the toaster on fire, and like you're helping them
Speaker 5: like like bury the body. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I just love it. Yeah, I love
Speaker 2: it for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when we went to that? Remember there
Speaker 3: was at Sunoco gas station on our corner growing up. Yes,
Speaker 3: do you remember we went there once and our babysitter
Speaker 3: was like buying cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, our parents were getting gas and like they were
Speaker 3: totally like horrified.
Speaker 1: That's so good.
Speaker 4: Wait, so we were there with our parents and we
Speaker 4: ran into our baby.
Speaker 3: We were like in the back seat. They were like
Speaker 3: getting gas and they went inside to pay or something.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was before you could pay it
Speaker 3: the pump. And yeah, she was buying cigarettes, and I
Speaker 3: think she was like busted kind of.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know if she babysat us.
Speaker 4: Again, that's funny because I mean, I know, when you're
Speaker 4: a kid, unless you have parents, I find that unless
Speaker 4: my friends who had parents who smoked, Like you think
Speaker 4: that people who smoke are bad people, Yes, yeah that's
Speaker 4: a bad person, But it seems like as an adult,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't think that.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's because she was underage, that.
Speaker 1: Because she was young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, we had this babysitter, Debbie, who
Speaker 4: we loved, who was great.
Speaker 2: But Debbie, I don't think this was Debbie. Okay, but
Speaker 2: what was gonna say?
Speaker 4: Debbie had a younger sister who would babysit once in
Speaker 4: a while, who was kind of a I kind of
Speaker 4: think she was kind of a bad girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, was a sister. Act.
Speaker 2: There's always a sister. There's a sister act.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might have been who it was. I don't
Speaker 3: want to point any fingers. It was probably thirty five
Speaker 3: years ago, and I have a very bad memory. So
Speaker 3: she did a few weird things.
Speaker 4: One was she like hated this one girl in my
Speaker 4: grade and she like drew a like caricature of her
Speaker 4: while she was babysitting us. And I remember being like,
Speaker 4: that's weird, Like that's a weird thing to do. She
Speaker 4: was and she was significantly older than us. I mean,
Speaker 4: she still was like, shouldn't have hated someone in our
Speaker 4: grade that much? You know, it was like, how do
Speaker 4: you even know this person? And then I remember when
Speaker 4: we were at the Orange Jubilee, which Jessica. Every springtime
Speaker 4: we have this weekend thing called the Orange Jubilee where
Speaker 4: they take over the high school parking lot and turn
Speaker 4: it into a carnival. Okay, And I was one year
Speaker 4: in a dance company course that was a huge ripoff
Speaker 4: and we like performed at it, and you know, there's
Speaker 4: other things happened that weekend at the school. But I
Speaker 4: remember these girls in my grade were like thought she
Speaker 4: was like she was like after them, and like I
Speaker 4: remember them coming up to me and like mom and
Speaker 4: dad and being like she's after us, And I remember
Speaker 4: being like, okay's it's crazy because Debbie was a delight.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to say her last name because
Speaker 4: I don't want to out her sister. But Debbie was
Speaker 4: like the best and so responsible and babysat us every Saturday.
Speaker 4: But her younger sister would fill in once in a
Speaker 4: while and she was trouble just.
Speaker 2: Good the capital T.
Speaker 5: And you know, there wasn't really a vetting process back
Speaker 5: in the day.
Speaker 2: For bas It's like there.
Speaker 5: Was no care dot com, Like nobody was checking references
Speaker 5: like the amount of and also like God bless our parents.
Speaker 5: They were really living their best lives because we were
Speaker 5: with babysitters old time.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like.
Speaker 4: Our parents went out every Saturday night, Yes, yes, every
Speaker 4: Saturday night.
Speaker 5: I remember my mom would put on her lair du TOMPs,
Speaker 5: you know, perfume, you know, and maybe if it was
Speaker 5: maybe if it was a cold winter night, she'd throw
Speaker 5: on her fur, her mink.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know where they went, but like,
Speaker 5: god damn it. There that's aspirational. And we were with
Speaker 5: god knows who, you know, be babysat and Jonah.
Speaker 4: When you were a little bit older, it was just
Speaker 4: me being babysat and then sometimes it was me by myself.
Speaker 4: I think if you were out with your friends. And
Speaker 4: I just remember always watching Sisters when mom and dad
Speaker 4: were up, because it was on Saturday night and you know,
Speaker 4: with Swoozie Kurtz and yes, the whole Jonah. Do you
Speaker 4: remember watching that show? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: I do remember they all sort of had boy names.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 5: Patti Calimbar was one of the actors. But I remember, yes,
Speaker 5: I remember this so well. Cela Sella Ward, Selma.
Speaker 4: Ward, Yes, Steal Award or Cela Award yeah, and and
Speaker 4: they all were like Joey Riggy, you know, they all
Speaker 4: had boy names Jonah, you would one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I mean if you look it up right now, you
Speaker 2: would one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I do remember it. I remember it.
Speaker 3: This was the era where there were all these like
Speaker 3: shows like that that were made for adults. That weak
Speaker 3: ticket fences. Was it one that you were coming into
Speaker 3: nothing else?
Speaker 2: That's ye, thirty something.
Speaker 5: If you ever watched anything from thirty clip from thirty something,
Speaker 5: it's one of the most devastating shows you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Like in the pilot, he's like I go fuck someone
Speaker 2: else and like you're just.
Speaker 5: Like that was on at eight PM, and I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure I watched it with my parents.
Speaker 4: But on Saturday night, all the rules are off, like
Speaker 4: oh you just tell yeah, you can start that TV
Speaker 4: as early as you want Now. Creator of thirty something
Speaker 4: went on to be one of the creators of my
Speaker 4: sol called Life. So I've always wanted to watch thirty something.
Speaker 5: Watch it, but know that you will need to like
Speaker 5: journal out a lot of deep and dark feelings because
Speaker 5: they really go there. It's not like you know, it's
Speaker 5: not like modern family where there's like a fun rop
Speaker 5: it's like they're dealing with some serious adult, you know,
Speaker 5: situations that I.
Speaker 3: Feel like nothing would make me feel older than watching
Speaker 3: that show because I felt like as a kid that
Speaker 3: everyone seems so old on that show, and now thirty
Speaker 3: thirties feels so young. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yah, thirty something.
Speaker 5: They're all like on their third kid, like they're like
Speaker 5: thirty years old. They're like the sex is dried up.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, Jesus, you're thirty.
Speaker 2: Like that's bad.
Speaker 5: You know. They're like, I can't do this insurance job anymore.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you've only been working for three years. What
Speaker 5: are you talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really no.
Speaker 4: But I remember being a kid and watching my soul
Speaker 4: culled life started bringing back then and it was like
Speaker 4: from the creators of thirty something, and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 4: Like that's old.
Speaker 2: No, I really.
Speaker 5: I really do think a lot about how much TV
Speaker 5: hours we logged, because I mean, and my parents, you though,
Speaker 5: like we had to do our homework and stuff, but
Speaker 5: like I must have logged at least four to five
Speaker 5: hours a day, like I was cramming it in, you know,
Speaker 5: like your mom would be making dinner and you'd be like, great,
Speaker 5: I can get in an hour of back to back reruns,
Speaker 5: and it was all reruns, so we weren't like, oh,
Speaker 5: we weren't watching our own media. We were watching the
Speaker 5: media of this generation before us. So right, like Kate Nally,
Speaker 5: I love Lucy Tree's Company Boat.
Speaker 2: We watched a lot of Love Boat after school.
Speaker 5: So we're really a product of the seventies, not the
Speaker 5: eighties or not as Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: True, totally totally.
Speaker 4: And then just Jonah and I both have this thing
Speaker 4: and I don't know if you had this and I again,
Speaker 4: it's not a bad show.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the our problem was.
Speaker 4: But when the credits, the opening credits for Mama's Family
Speaker 4: would come on, it was.
Speaker 2: Like where is the remote? I have to change the channel,
Speaker 2: I have to turn on.
Speaker 4: Never watch There was never watched an episode of by
Speaker 4: Life something, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would start crying when Mamma's Stanley came on.
Speaker 3: I would literally start to cry because it was so
Speaker 3: upset and time.
Speaker 5: Olivia wrote, That's how I was with Mash like I
Speaker 5: came if I if I hear the theme song, it's
Speaker 5: like a trigger warning.
Speaker 2: It's like for myself.
Speaker 4: In hell, like I can't know when when when the
Speaker 4: Mama's Family song, but I don't know if it was
Speaker 4: because of the way the song was, the way that
Speaker 4: the show looked like the colors of the you know,
Speaker 4: like how it was sort of like muted or something.
Speaker 2: I just was like if I watched.
Speaker 4: This, if I watched the full intro and start watching
Speaker 4: the show, I will die. There is nothing I like,
Speaker 4: Like I would rather like row something at the TV
Speaker 4: and smash it then like have to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's also like those TV shows felt so long, Like
Speaker 3: a half hour show when you're a kid feels like right,
Speaker 3: I have to sit through five hours. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like Long Day's Journey and Tonight and like
Speaker 5: for some reason good Times I hated, but which was
Speaker 5: the one with rerun and and D that wasn't Good Times?
Speaker 2: It was the one no oh god, I forget.
Speaker 5: But there's like sometimes back to back shows you were
Speaker 5: like loving one, but the next one that followed the
Speaker 5: first stamp, well, we.
Speaker 4: Used to like amen, like we would watch but then
Speaker 4: we wouldn't watch, and we liked two two seven. There
Speaker 4: were certain shows that were on right around that time
Speaker 4: that were like if that show comes on, if.
Speaker 3: We're out of here. We watched a lot of empty
Speaker 3: nests that was kind of us.
Speaker 2: So much empty nest.
Speaker 5: So so much empty nest, empty and still, even though
Speaker 5: I knew so little about hair color at that time,
Speaker 5: the red, the color red of the sister's hair was
Speaker 5: so upsetting to me, and I thought, I know there's
Speaker 5: something better in Hollywood that she could get on her right,
Speaker 5: right right, And I thought she's an attractive I know
Speaker 5: they were trying to make her like the sister that
Speaker 5: couldn't get it together, but I'm like, just with the
Speaker 5: right you know, give me, give me a pair of
Speaker 5: plastic gloves and some fairy a hair dye, and I
Speaker 5: could have given her a better.
Speaker 2: Situation right well.
Speaker 4: As a kid, I remember watching that show and sort
Speaker 4: of being like, Okay, one of the sisters is sort
Speaker 4: of more together than the other one or something like.
Speaker 4: I remember, I couldn't quite I didn't totally get it yet.
Speaker 1: It was on all the time, and the dog.
Speaker 2: My first job ever, like a million years ago.
Speaker 5: The woman who was doing my bakeup was like she
Speaker 5: left the room and someone said, you know, she's married
Speaker 5: to Joe Azuzu, right, And I was like, from empty Nest.
Speaker 5: Remember the neighbor, Yes, divorce, wow, yeah, yeah, and she
Speaker 5: was a hot she was a hot Toddy. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: Like they were living on that Empty Nest money for.
Speaker 2: A while and then you know, wow, he had.
Speaker 4: Sort of the best part on Empty Nests because he
Speaker 4: was and you know, there were two, so it's sort
Speaker 4: of like Empty Nest was a spinoff of Golden Girls.
Speaker 4: I think that's right. They lived next door. That was
Speaker 4: their doctor was that guy? And then and then do
Speaker 4: you remember it wasn't as long lived, but the shown
Speaker 4: nurses that was like it would like took place at
Speaker 4: the hospital where he worked.
Speaker 2: It sounds so familiar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know that's it's a bummer that we
Speaker 5: don't have that anymore because I feel like you and
Speaker 5: I Vanessa could have really made it, made some nice
Speaker 5: money off just popping in as the neighbor.
Speaker 2: You know, that's fun.
Speaker 5: That's fun because you're in, you're then you're gone for
Speaker 5: a couple of you're back in, you know, and nobody cares.
Speaker 2: And it all went well for us.
Speaker 4: Then we could have had so much of that network
Speaker 4: money as the neighbor. You know, let's go maybe the neighbors.
Speaker 4: You know, they're a preschool teacher. Let's the spinoff takes
Speaker 4: place at the preschool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like remember remember, sorry, this this is really becoming
Speaker 5: a reep. But remember Family Ties. Wasn't Courtney Cox his girlfriend?
Speaker 5: Who or no, no, no, blonde blonde from Melrose Place,
Speaker 5: Courtney thorn Smith, right, Am?
Speaker 2: I crazy?
Speaker 5: Mandy thorn Smith had her own daycare and that that
Speaker 5: was its own show.
Speaker 1: I believe it was.
Speaker 4: I think possibly funny because I always think Courtney thorn
Speaker 4: Smith got her start on Melrose's Place.
Speaker 5: But you're right, she was on Family Tithing in and
Speaker 5: around right so long. It's like clooney start, you know,
Speaker 5: showed up was all right, well here he is. He's
Speaker 5: on soap opera's right. Listen, Yes, it could all happen
Speaker 5: for us. You know, it's still could happen for us.
Speaker 5: I'm holding out ho but that was a golden age.
Speaker 5: That was a golden age.
Speaker 4: Because I also have to say, and I won't get
Speaker 4: into it because every single podcast we do, the moment
Speaker 4: I mentioned this, I start talking about it for twenty
Speaker 4: minutes and we just don't have that kind of time.
Speaker 4: Sure not to limit you know, and also we don't
Speaker 4: have that kind of patience from our audience to hear
Speaker 4: me talk about it every single week. But I watch
Speaker 4: a lot of General Hospital and a lot of the
Speaker 4: characters will leave and they'll be like they'll make like
Speaker 4: an announcement like I'm going to try and like do
Speaker 4: something else Whereas like you know, Clooney, like I understand
Speaker 4: why because they're like they've seen all these people do that.
Speaker 2: I think it is so hard for them.
Speaker 4: Then a lot of times six months, a year, or
Speaker 4: two years later they'd come back. Because I agree with you,
Speaker 4: it's not that golden age where it's like you show,
Speaker 4: you show how great you are on a soap opera,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, you're, you know, the next
Speaker 4: I mean, the last person I can think of that
Speaker 4: that happened to. Although there is a character in General
Speaker 4: Hospital who's going to who's absent right now. He's quote
Speaker 4: they think he's quote unquote dead and he's just gone
Speaker 4: temporarily to be in the Menendez.
Speaker 2: Brothers God bless him.
Speaker 4: American not horror story, but uh, like one of those
Speaker 4: carry ones American American crime story. Okay, yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: a leap. So that's allege that guy. Guess what they say,
Speaker 4: he's going to come back when he's done. I think
Speaker 4: he's I think this, I think this one might be
Speaker 4: dead for real.
Speaker 5: Listen and I and I just told this story on
Speaker 5: The Deep Dives, so I won't retell it. But I
Speaker 5: did fart on the set of which was the one
Speaker 5: with Susan Lucci.
Speaker 2: Is that journal All My Children?
Speaker 5: All My Children? I once was an extra nurse on
Speaker 5: the set of All My Children, and I farted during
Speaker 5: a coma scene and I was unfortunately outed by the
Speaker 5: other extra nurse she because she started laughing.
Speaker 2: Susan Lucci was in the scene. She started laughing.
Speaker 1: I hit like a.
Speaker 4: Sharp By the way, I think it's okay if people
Speaker 4: hear this twice.
Speaker 2: Can you just tell us exactly what happened.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm telling you it's could be so boring
Speaker 5: for deep divers, but I had never told you in
Speaker 5: this story, and she she was so upset that she
Speaker 5: had She'd waited this long to hear it. But back
Speaker 5: in the day, when I was in New York, you
Speaker 5: could I auditioned. I remember like somebody, I think my dad,
Speaker 5: my eighties businessman dad, like had a buddy who was
Speaker 5: in like ad sales or something, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I can get you an audition for all my children.
Speaker 5: So I went in and I read in this guy's
Speaker 5: windowless office, and I was not He was like, clearly,
Speaker 5: you're not a a talented dramatic actress or be good
Speaker 5: looking enough to ever set foot on the set as
Speaker 5: a main character, but you can come back as an
Speaker 5: extra nurse or an extra. And so I would get
Speaker 5: in my locker, you get like sixty five dollars and
Speaker 5: you would put on scrubs and then you would just
Speaker 5: be in the background and the scene. It was like
Speaker 5: at ten am and I hadn't eaten much and I
Speaker 5: was standing there. Somebody was dying. Susan Luci was there,
Speaker 5: she was crying, and I was just supposed to be
Speaker 5: taking like the measurements, and it was like beep beep,
Speaker 5: you know, and then all of a sudden, I let
Speaker 5: out this crazy high fart that hit like a c sharp.
Speaker 2: Wait, I want to back up, Like the measurements, you mean,
Speaker 2: like just.
Speaker 5: Like taking all sure idols, writing things down, And then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden it was like.
Speaker 2: Like that, But there was no way to know who
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 5: So I was like, let's keep going like I'm a professional,
Speaker 5: and there was no way I could have held that back,
Speaker 5: like they're just what. In fact, probably had hit that
Speaker 5: high note because I was trying to hold it back,
Speaker 5: but like that's that's nature. And unfortunately the other nurse
Speaker 5: extra started laughing, to which the director went bananas and
Speaker 5: was like good, like.
Speaker 2: What is going on? Why are you guy? Why are
Speaker 2: you laughing?
Speaker 5: And I thought, this motherfucker and she goes she farted
Speaker 5: with that in front of everyone. She farted and I
Speaker 5: was mortified, and that was it. I was never asked back.
Speaker 4: Well, you had a very successful career since then, And
Speaker 4: I wonder what that had? A punk other nurse who's
Speaker 4: a sorry, excuse me, dark nurse.
Speaker 5: She was a dark oh dare I went at the
Speaker 5: same time, like I understood, like sometimes things happen. And
Speaker 5: again I told you, my daughter calls you the I
Speaker 5: made a mistake woman, because her lullaby Jonah is the
Speaker 5: farting scene from SNL where Vanessa played that you know,
Speaker 5: nineteen thirty screen siren who couldn't stop farting, And that
Speaker 5: was my last show, last show.
Speaker 2: If she had it wasn't your last show.
Speaker 1: It goes.
Speaker 5: It'll be like she's had a rough day and fourth
Speaker 5: grade and she'll be like play it and I'm like, babe, no,
Speaker 5: We've watched it a million times. I'm like okay. And
Speaker 5: then she's like you know that lady. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: she's very talented that she's done much more than just
Speaker 5: this scene. So loves it.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: That really is so nice. That is from the last
Speaker 2: show I ever did on SNL.
Speaker 5: You and the Rock had so much chemistry. I'd love
Speaker 5: to see a two hander. Wow, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: I really love him and he told me it was
Speaker 4: an honor to be the host of my last show.
Speaker 2: Oh he's he seems like an officer and a gentleman.
Speaker 5: I want him in my corner, Like if shit goes down,
Speaker 5: I want to be near the Rock because he'll carry
Speaker 5: you to safety.
Speaker 4: He's always eating protein. He's so strong. He has a
Speaker 4: suitcase of protein. I remember him saying he works out
Speaker 4: every morning. But we would be like, what if your
Speaker 4: call time is really early? He's like, you get up
Speaker 4: two hours earlier, and we were like what.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. You're like, no, you let your body decay.
Speaker 4: And and actually you skip it.
Speaker 5: You skip it and you just go to craft service
Speaker 5: and you sugar to make yourself feel something.
Speaker 4: Well, wow, I think we're going to take a quick
Speaker 4: commercial break, but we'll be right back with Jessica.
Speaker 2: Saint Clair the Delight, and we.
Speaker 1: Are back Jessica.
Speaker 3: Before we get into our topic, I'm going to ask
Speaker 3: you about one more show that sure I haven't thought
Speaker 3: about in a long time, but to a nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: two show.
Speaker 1: It's called Dear John.
Speaker 2: Dear Was it an AA meeting?
Speaker 1: Was it? Yes?
Speaker 3: It yes?
Speaker 2: And who was who was the guy?
Speaker 3: So the guy is jud Hirsh judd Hurst, Ye, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and so this show was launched the same week as
Speaker 3: Empty Nest. I'm just thinking of like dark premises of shows,
Speaker 3: and basically Wikipedia says sitcom takes place in New York.
Speaker 3: Jud Hirsh is John Lacy, a prep school teacher. After
Speaker 3: ten years of marriage, one day returns home to find
Speaker 3: a Dear John letter his wife Wendy's leaving him for
Speaker 3: his best friend. When the court grants Wendy the house
Speaker 3: and custody of their son.
Speaker 2: This is such backstory.
Speaker 3: John moves into apartment in Queens and then it's like
Speaker 3: his character synopsis is John a school teacher who tries,
Speaker 3: not always successfully, to keep his life from falling apart
Speaker 3: after his acrimonious, financially devastating divorce.
Speaker 1: Like, what kind of premise is this for a show?
Speaker 5: But that's my husband and I were talking about this
Speaker 5: the same with Welcome Back. Welcome Back Cotter was like
Speaker 5: the dreams that you had were just welcome back. Like
Speaker 5: everybody's lives were so bad and they were forced to
Speaker 5: go home or to teach school. You know, it's like
Speaker 5: head of the class, like he had a bright future
Speaker 5: ahead of him, but he's stuck in that gray classroom
Speaker 5: with Robin Gibbons.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It was there was a lot of backstory that we
Speaker 5: had to hear about, usually in the theme song or
Speaker 5: even growing pains.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, show me that's my right because they're
Speaker 2: also depressed.
Speaker 3: Growing pains to me. I remember, I just felt like
Speaker 3: Ellen Thick and his wife were always just like arguing
Speaker 3: in bed, arguing about something.
Speaker 5: Still, And all I remember is Joanna Kurns changing from
Speaker 5: a pump to a sneaker.
Speaker 2: She was always like coming back from where I.
Speaker 5: Think she was an anchor woman or something, and this
Speaker 5: woman is really handling the work life balance with a
Speaker 5: lot of grace.
Speaker 4: Yes. And you know what else was an interesting show
Speaker 4: from that era was Who's the Boss? Because it was
Speaker 4: like the idea was that Judith Light was like this
Speaker 4: really high power attorney.
Speaker 1: Was she a lawyer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was a lawyer and she lived with her
Speaker 4: like mom, who is kind of like a sex pot.
Speaker 2: Yes. And Tony Danza was their housekeeper. Yes, slash nanny
Speaker 2: really yeah to Alissa Milano.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Vanessa, you did a show yeah with Tony.
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of chemistry with Tony Danza.
Speaker 3: I'm really he's a fan of yours, right, He was
Speaker 3: very complimentary to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have a Vanessa who don't you have? Vanessa's
Speaker 5: got riz. She's got riz for days, and like I
Speaker 5: even when I see her at a cocktail party, and
Speaker 5: it's not that often, but I make a beeline to
Speaker 5: get some of that riz like a humming bird, like
Speaker 5: a homing bird to a feeder, I get as fast
Speaker 5: as I can over to her.
Speaker 4: That's how I feel with you. I love to see you,
Speaker 4: I love to hear what do you love to? What
Speaker 4: are you watching?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised you at Dance's have it?
Speaker 4: I did a show called Celebrity Autobiography that I think
Speaker 4: that I still do them once in a while, where
Speaker 4: basically this couple who I feel like one of them,
Speaker 4: just they've done a lot of theater. They've done, They've
Speaker 4: done a lot of I feel like everybody knows them,
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people know them.
Speaker 2: They've done so much cool stuff.
Speaker 4: And basically they put on these shows where they invite
Speaker 4: kind of like celebrities to read other celebrities sort of
Speaker 4: biographies for an audience, like snippets of them, sort of
Speaker 4: making it like they always would do like Britney Spears biography,
Speaker 4: you know, but you know when it was like okay
Speaker 4: to be like making fun of right and other celebrities
Speaker 4: sort of like big, splashy celebrity autobiographies they would have
Speaker 4: people read. And I did one one year and Tony
Speaker 4: Danza was doing it too. Oh we were in the
Speaker 4: same show, and we we sort of like hung out
Speaker 4: after and then he he had a book reading, and
Speaker 4: then we did another show together and we walked from
Speaker 4: one venue to another.
Speaker 5: It's like you may have had a short lived affair
Speaker 5: with Tony and you didn't realize it was happening, but
Speaker 5: like a made Tomber type of type of things.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly, Yes, Eugene Pac.
Speaker 4: That's right. What did Eugene Pac do recently, Olivia? I
Speaker 4: feel like he just did something. It's him and his wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vanessa, it's a podcast, not a packcast. Maybe we
Speaker 3: can move on seriously chases.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so I guess I guess the point is
Speaker 4: I didn't have a short live who lived affair with
Speaker 4: Tony Danza.
Speaker 1: I mean he is.
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is, he's just he's like a
Speaker 4: delightful guy to be around, and even I don't know
Speaker 4: when we did this ten fifteen years ago, still very
Speaker 4: very attractive guy.
Speaker 2: Oh I way age very well.
Speaker 3: He did an A and E show I just looked
Speaker 3: up called Tony Teach Tony Danza where he taught high school.
Speaker 2: What I think that was going on around the time it.
Speaker 1: Must have been.
Speaker 3: And this is the summary for the final episode, which
Speaker 3: is such an incredible summary. Short Danza gives one student
Speaker 3: an extension on an essay, but refuses to give another
Speaker 3: student a similar extension. So if the student tries to
Speaker 3: drop the class, well, then it says, okay, there's a
Speaker 3: little more. Danza reaches out to a student who skips class.
Speaker 3: He also stages a charity show to raise money for
Speaker 3: a new air conditioner for the school's library. And it
Speaker 3: says on here that they tried to actually stop the
Speaker 3: filming of the show the producers because there wasn't enough drama,
Speaker 3: and Tony Danzel like said, I don't care, like he
Speaker 3: wouldn't go along with creating the drama. And that's because
Speaker 3: the guy is a class act.
Speaker 4: He's a class act. We should have him on this
Speaker 4: podcast too.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh.
Speaker 5: You have to he And just like the Rock, it's
Speaker 5: like these people are entertainers. You know, they can do
Speaker 5: more than just act. They're dancing, they're weightlifting. There you know,
Speaker 5: there there's was a box.
Speaker 1: Danto is a boxer.
Speaker 2: He's a boxer. They're both strong guys.
Speaker 5: That's hot. Bring back, bring back the strong guy. Now, Jonah,
Speaker 5: you've got the mustache for a for a turn of
Speaker 5: the century strong man.
Speaker 2: You never forget.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got the mustash.
Speaker 2: And Jonah you're a strong guy.
Speaker 4: I mean you you have leaner muscle because it's more
Speaker 4: from yoga. Yeah, Jonah's so good at yoga that like
Speaker 4: when we used to do yoga classes together in New York.
Speaker 4: The teachers would always like focus on him a lot,
Speaker 4: and they'd be like, Joe, like, you're like, watch Jonah
Speaker 4: do this, And I'd be like, hey, I'm used to
Speaker 4: being the one who's kind of in the spot like
Speaker 4: could you shine a little more light on me? And
Speaker 4: I'd be like half doing it something you're supposed.
Speaker 5: To be mindful, and You're just like, can I get
Speaker 5: a little more spotlight over here.
Speaker 2: Now, Jonah.
Speaker 5: What I'm interested in you developing as a skill would
Speaker 5: be being able to hold somebody up.
Speaker 2: Could you hold me up with your feet? Probably?
Speaker 5: And I have heavy it's a great question. I have
Speaker 5: very heavy bones. I do. My doctor told my mom
Speaker 5: that she's got extremely dense bones.
Speaker 3: I think there's a name for this, like type like
Speaker 3: where you're like holding people up.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be good at that.
Speaker 3: I think that's like a you have to practice a lot,
Speaker 3: and then it's like you can really get hurt it.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like it's not personal to Jessica.
Speaker 5: It's just general for you to be able to, like,
Speaker 5: you know, and I don't know what your marital status is,
Speaker 5: but with the partner, I'd love for you to be
Speaker 5: able to spin them like a like.
Speaker 2: A pizza pie. If if I'm if it was warranted,
Speaker 2: yeah I could.
Speaker 3: I am married. I could ask my wife. I feel
Speaker 3: like she would not be into that.
Speaker 4: I you don't know until you ask. That's right now,
Speaker 4: speaking of a playful show. Yeah, okay, that's called the segue. Okay,
Speaker 4: we asked you to bring in something to talk about today,
Speaker 4: and we've already talked about a lot of TV shows.
Speaker 1: But yeah, one of the shows that you also.
Speaker 4: Watched a lot growing up, in addition to the ones
Speaker 4: we've discussed, is the Flintstones.
Speaker 2: Now, why is the Flintstone significant to you? You know,
Speaker 2: it's sad.
Speaker 5: When you look back at your influences, you know, and
Speaker 5: I've long known this, and I because, well, okay, so
Speaker 5: I'll just explain. So, like, you know, went to public
Speaker 5: school in New Jersey. I would get out. Now, kids
Speaker 5: today are very overscheduled. You know, my daughter's you know,
Speaker 5: she's at the musical practice. Then she'll go to mathnasium,
Speaker 5: you know. But we used to just go home, you know,
Speaker 5: So we go home and then there was these dead
Speaker 5: hours between like three thirty and five thirty, where like
Speaker 5: who knows what you were up to right, you didn't
Speaker 5: have to really do homework. So I would come home.
Speaker 5: I would get a gigantic bag of Dorito's and a
Speaker 5: cold frosty coke because I don't think I drank water
Speaker 5: until I was like maybe thirty, and I would pop
Speaker 5: that bad Boy open and I would and I think
Speaker 5: from three to five there were back to back reruns
Speaker 5: of Flintstones on. And I was so anxious as a
Speaker 5: child at school, like I was such a I was
Speaker 5: such a Tracy flick nerd. Like I would have a
Speaker 5: headache from just like concentrating on the blackboard and like
Speaker 5: rewriting my notes over and over again. That those are
Speaker 5: my two hours, kind of like I'd done like a
Speaker 5: ten hour shift at like the tun can factory. Those
Speaker 5: are my hours to just check out, right, And I
Speaker 5: would log this time with the Flintstones. And I found
Speaker 5: it so comforting because you know, Flintstone's based on the Honeymooners.
Speaker 5: I guess I never watched the Honeymooners. That show would
Speaker 5: make me feel sick to my stomach if I ever
Speaker 5: was forced to watch it, but the plots were always
Speaker 5: the same, you know, So that felt very comforting. And
Speaker 5: then I realized when I started running my own shows
Speaker 5: that I would have to stop myself and think, is
Speaker 5: this if I was pitching something in the room, is
Speaker 5: this the plot from the Flintstones? Because Lenin and I
Speaker 5: my best friend who I write my shows with, and
Speaker 5: we rebase everything on our real friendship. Lenin has a
Speaker 5: very Barney energy, and I'm very much fred Wow, Barney
Speaker 5: is as solid and as stable as they come. Right.
Speaker 5: We recently likened June actually likened Lenin to a four
Speaker 5: oh one K. She's a really great return on your investment,
Speaker 5: Like you're not gonna you know, you're going to make
Speaker 5: a solid return, and fred Is is definitely more.
Speaker 2: Of a wild card.
Speaker 5: Okay, right, you know, so I do think that if
Speaker 5: you really did a deep dive, you know on my
Speaker 5: shows that that very few people have screened, you could
Speaker 5: probably draw a lot of.
Speaker 2: Connections, you know, to Flintstone's episodes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And I loved the idea of living next door to
Speaker 2: your best friend. That's my dream. That's my dream.
Speaker 5: You have matching stonehouses, you know, you go bowling, Like
Speaker 5: that's that's that's what I dream in life.
Speaker 2: That's all I want.
Speaker 4: It's it does seem like they have really fun lives, Yes.
Speaker 2: They really do.
Speaker 5: It's like the bowling night, the you know, barbecues outside.
Speaker 5: You know, nobody's really trying.
Speaker 4: To worry about their car because they just walk their cars.
Speaker 5: They walk their cars. That's right, that's right. And all
Speaker 5: they each have one kid. I don't think they had
Speaker 5: more than one. So that's manageable.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Things just really manageable, you know. Yeah, and just comforting.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so that's what I would do, and then
Speaker 5: I would take that if I could, I would sneak
Speaker 5: that and maybe i'd show my face downstairs for like
Speaker 5: a half hour to distract my mother and i'd go
Speaker 5: back upstairs. And that's when the good stuff started coming on,
Speaker 5: like Three's Company, it's a living you know, gold I
Speaker 5: think possibly.
Speaker 2: I don't think Golden RULs was still.
Speaker 5: On, like running at eight o'clock, but definitely Three's Company,
Speaker 5: which my mom was like, I don't know, there's a
Speaker 5: lot of sexual innuendos, but that's like, that's really what
Speaker 5: I was mainlining from like five thirty to seven.
Speaker 4: And that was reruns of three runs, absolute reruns totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just playing one after another.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly exactly. Yeah, And then I was telling you
Speaker 5: before we got on. I think Three's Company is the
Speaker 5: reason I'm here in Santa Monica living because that's all
Speaker 5: I wanted in my adult life, you know, I wanted
Speaker 5: to be living at you know, above the Recal Beagle
Speaker 5: and like, you know, having mad cap sex adventures, you know, right,
Speaker 5: with different roommates.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because that show in retrospect must have been
Speaker 4: so inexpensive to film because it really all took place
Speaker 4: in one room.
Speaker 5: You never left that room. Every so often you went
Speaker 5: to Chrissy's bedroom, but that was it. And the Regal Beagle, right,
Speaker 5: they had scenes there, right, they had scenes there, right,
Speaker 5: But there was and sometimes you're in The Ropers, which,
Speaker 5: by the way, I just read that Missus Roper, mister
Speaker 5: and Missus.
Speaker 2: Roper were supposedly forty years old.
Speaker 3: No, yes, yes, I guess by like thirty something logic.
Speaker 5: They should be like done for tired. You were like
Speaker 5: in a moomoo retired. Oh that is disgusting. You were
Speaker 5: a disgusting old person by forty. That's so crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy is the Ropers they had
Speaker 3: their own spin off.
Speaker 2: Too, sure did they sued it that it was very
Speaker 2: short lived. I don't think. I think we only lasted
Speaker 2: ten episodes or something from.
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And was it called The Ropers.
Speaker 1: It was called the Ropers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 5: But I really do like for all the people who say, like, oh,
Speaker 5: screens are bad for kids, I'm like, I disagree because
Speaker 5: I don't think. I know, I wouldn't have had the
Speaker 5: career that I have if I hadn't logged all that time.
Speaker 4: Yes, those are my ten thousand hours. Those were my
Speaker 4: ten thousand hours. I feel the same way. I think
Speaker 4: those shows were very helpful, even if I didn't at
Speaker 4: the time totally understand them, Like I feel like the
Speaker 4: first oh go ahead jonah.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I think they kind of taught you about
Speaker 3: like adulthood as a kid. Yes, in a way that
Speaker 3: kids now have so much media oriented exactly towards them
Speaker 3: in their own lives.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yes, yeah. There was like Sesame Street and
Speaker 5: then thirty something. You didn't really have ride between, and
Speaker 5: we didn't get to watch TV. It was like if
Speaker 5: eight o'clock, if eight pm, it was the Golden Girls, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's for your parents.
Speaker 2: We didn't care about children back then. The first show that.
Speaker 4: I think resonated with me that I think was I
Speaker 4: don't even I guess it was sort of made for
Speaker 4: people our age as like kids are teenagers was Blossom.
Speaker 4: That's why when we had jenavan Oi and my Embiolica
Speaker 4: on this podcast, I've lost my mind is because that one.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but like the comedy of it, I
Speaker 4: really understood and I still to this day, I think
Speaker 4: it's like one of the funniest shows out.
Speaker 2: Greer but greed, but it was one of the most gifted.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, but I really, like, I really that
Speaker 4: was the first one where I was like, oh, they're
Speaker 4: talking about stuff that's like relatable to teenage.
Speaker 5: That's right, I agreed, And then like, I don't know
Speaker 5: when Saved the Bell, Saved by the Bell happened, but like, right,
Speaker 5: you know that didn't feel Yeah, I don't know, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't Save by the Bell didn't feel like that relatable.
Speaker 5: No, I feel like I was relating more to two
Speaker 5: three's company in Flintstones than I was to Save by
Speaker 5: the Bell. And that's but also it's like, how weird
Speaker 5: are you? So it's like I'm sure normal kids will
Speaker 5: probably connecting more to Save by the Bell, right, you know,
Speaker 5: the weirdos amongst us were like finding comfort in the Flintstones.
Speaker 4: The point is, now that I've bragged about knowing Lenny Holtzman,
Speaker 4: the point is worth it.
Speaker 2: There weren't that, thank you.
Speaker 4: There weren't that many shows that were like the comedy
Speaker 4: that's really funny about Yeah, I mean, who's relating to
Speaker 4: Save by the Bell and being like, yeah, that's all
Speaker 4: I am with my friends. We're so popular, we go
Speaker 4: to the dances, we all date and we're but even.
Speaker 5: Think about, like again, Golden Girls is the other one
Speaker 5: where I'm like, is this a Golden Girls episode? Like
Speaker 5: I'll find myself in the writer's room being like, how
Speaker 5: about we do a murder mystery and I'm like, nope,
Speaker 5: that was a Golden Girls episode.
Speaker 2: Like I they're in me.
Speaker 5: They're like part of my lineage, you know, I'm carrying
Speaker 5: the stories of my people, and they happen to be
Speaker 5: episodes from seventies s toitcoms, eighties tox com.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking about how amazing.
Speaker 5: It is that as children, we were like, yeah, the
Speaker 5: most popular show is with all women in their sixties
Speaker 5: and so yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Like that's incredible, that's incredible.
Speaker 4: It's pretty it's pretty awesome. And who is that where
Speaker 4: is that house? The exterior of that house?
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know, but that's yeah. God, I wish
Speaker 5: I could live in that house. Wouldn't you love to live?
Speaker 5: That's the other dream that Yeah. So these were models, right,
Speaker 5: so and the other one was mad about you. And
Speaker 5: I don't know when I got into mad about you.
Speaker 5: Wasn't maybe until high school or something. I was like,
Speaker 5: this is me. I'm gonna move to New York and
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have this kind of shaggy haircut and like
Speaker 5: Mary Paul Riser, you know, and have like that big
Speaker 5: bed you know. Yeah, like yeah, these scenes in their bedroom, right,
Speaker 5: so many scenes in their Yeah, and what's.
Speaker 3: The house is in Brentwood? The Golden Girl?
Speaker 4: It is driving by it.
Speaker 3: But this is this is a really good point because
Speaker 3: now I feel like if like you made a gen
Speaker 3: Z show for gen Z, like someone like getting an
Speaker 3: oat milk latte, then getting avocado toes, then looking at
Speaker 3: their phone, It's like, Okay, that's not really broadening your
Speaker 3: horizons that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, likes to make fun of gen Z, but you're right.
Speaker 4: I mean gen Z is like on TikTok a lot,
Speaker 4: like how you can making videos with their phone. It's like,
Speaker 4: this isn't really that interesting to watch?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, And then you have like other shows like
Speaker 5: I things that are too scary for me to watch,
Speaker 5: like Euphoria. I don't know, I'm scared, but I do
Speaker 5: think I should watch it. I can't handle it. I
Speaker 5: know that I can't. Yeah, but you know that's again
Speaker 5: I was. I'm looking always in my media consumption has
Speaker 5: got to be comfort. Comfort, comfort, comfort. I do not
Speaker 5: like to push myself. June is the one, and she'll
Speaker 5: tell you who likes to Like she forced me to
Speaker 5: go on a run with her. It was the worst
Speaker 5: hour of my life and she showed up. I didn't
Speaker 5: have any and my phone ran out of juice. I
Speaker 5: didn't have anything. I thought, oh, we'll run and talk
Speaker 5: and she's like, no, I listened to my How I
Speaker 5: Survived I Survived a crime podcast. She listens to and
Speaker 5: doesn't speak to you, and so like every time she
Speaker 5: would take her earbuds out, it would be like and
Speaker 5: then I scratched his face and I'm like, please, I
Speaker 5: don't want to hear this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also, I mean I loved June. I think
Speaker 4: she's the best. But you know, she's inviting you for
Speaker 4: a run. I understand why you would think that you'd
Speaker 4: be kind of conversing during the run.
Speaker 5: Er No, she said, ye, you should have had your
Speaker 5: own So I had to run with my own thoughts.
Speaker 5: Wow for an hour. That's really dark. I had to
Speaker 5: confront a lot of demons during that. And it wasn't
Speaker 5: the things that she was listening to on her horrible harble,
Speaker 5: But that's her. Her lullaby are true crime podcasts, Gotcha Survived,
Speaker 5: you know whatever? And rest Present has a trunk full
Speaker 5: of people's ears and all that stuff, right, that's what gets.
Speaker 2: That's what lulls her to sleep.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, we didn't have as much
Speaker 4: of that stuff when we were growing up. And the
Speaker 4: way that like gen Z and younger people do now,
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's the reason that they're so much scarier,
Speaker 4: because you know how like I'm the most for me
Speaker 4: when I see teenagers, I'm the most scared. You know.
Speaker 4: I think it's the scariest generations it is, And when
Speaker 4: I was a teenager, I feel like no one was
Speaker 4: scared of me. There was nothing. No. And even Jonah,
Speaker 4: who was you know, listening to punk music and stuff,
Speaker 4: he had those big jinkos on like he's not scary,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I no offense Jonah non tek you you know.
Speaker 4: But I think because we were watching Golden Girls an
Speaker 4: empty nest, you know, there's not much to be scared
Speaker 4: of with us.
Speaker 5: But I couldn't be more scared the amount of foundation
Speaker 5: that I see some of these girls getting out from
Speaker 5: high school. And I'm like, I'm like, bebe avert your eyes,
Speaker 5: like teens are coming, you know, and she's she's.
Speaker 2: Afraid of them too.
Speaker 5: I think everybody who's not a teen is afraid of
Speaker 5: teens now, and we shouldn't. Yes Like there the fact
Speaker 5: that they are so comfortable bearing their mid drift.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I wasn't even able to go to a pool party
Speaker 5: unless I had like three beefy teas on that like
Speaker 5: went down and that I kept on when I was
Speaker 5: swimming like that, I would have never shown my body
Speaker 5: to anybody. I might as well have been Mormon, like
Speaker 5: I had. I wanted to be wearing like full length
Speaker 5: underwear under everything, so that no one would ever see
Speaker 5: what was lurked.
Speaker 2: Between totally, totally and also the level of isn't.
Speaker 4: The other thing with teenage girls these days is that
Speaker 4: they spend a lot of money on makeup, like they
Speaker 4: for they love Sephora, whereas like we didn't have Sephora,
Speaker 4: Like we had to go to a department store and
Speaker 4: the woman working at the makeup counter would be mean
Speaker 4: to you and treat you like a piece of shit
Speaker 4: because you're not an adult, and.
Speaker 5: You'd go away with one clinique like nude like Antrol.
Speaker 4: By the way, by the way, did they still make that?
Speaker 4: Because that they do a great shade. First of all,
Speaker 4: it's big.
Speaker 2: We're sleeping on clinique. We're sleeping on.
Speaker 4: We're sleeping on clinique. You know my manager slash person.
Speaker 4: I want to be best friends with Christy Smith. Of
Speaker 4: course she'm I saw her the other day. She she
Speaker 4: whips out a lip gloss. No, but I go, that
Speaker 4: looks great.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: And then I'm looking at the thing and I'm like,
Speaker 2: is that clinic?
Speaker 4: She's like black honey, I go, what in the hell?
Speaker 1: Jonah?
Speaker 4: I know this is boring to you, but this will
Speaker 4: be interesting with some of the listeners.
Speaker 2: She goes, you have to try it on.
Speaker 1: I tried on.
Speaker 4: I go, this is a great We were onto something
Speaker 4: as like thirteen year olds. Of course we're on Clinique,
Speaker 4: which is like the most gentle makeup.
Speaker 1: It's Jonah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, you know the brand Clinic, but
Speaker 4: as like a teenage girl sort of like or like
Speaker 4: as a thirteen year old girl, sort of like the
Speaker 4: closest thing to like not actually being makeup, because they
Speaker 4: mostly at that time sold skincare, so sort of like your.
Speaker 5: Mom would let you get you could get from there
Speaker 5: and it wasn't that expensive. But I can't how dare
Speaker 5: she be using that? I'm not let us know and
Speaker 5: take an order and it's back.
Speaker 4: It's like I think teenage girls are wearing it again
Speaker 4: and guess what they're right.
Speaker 5: And the fact they did it. Yeah, we have a
Speaker 5: lot to learn from teens, for sure, just like we
Speaker 5: have a lot to learn from the Kardashians about contouring.
Speaker 5: We have we there's a lot to learn from them,
Speaker 5: and yet we are scared of them and we should
Speaker 5: be because they're confidence and that and that generation.
Speaker 2: Will rule the world. Those quess will rule the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we grew up more like we're watching Empty Nest
Speaker 3: and being like, what happens if, like my medicare doesn't
Speaker 3: go through.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, what do you do when your ex
Speaker 5: husband won't let it go?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like Stan?
Speaker 2: Remember Stan? What a fucking genius was Stan?
Speaker 1: Stan?
Speaker 4: When I was on SNL, we used to impersonate the
Speaker 4: Kardashians and I.
Speaker 2: Was which one were you?
Speaker 4: I can't remember Courtney, which doesn't really It wasn't one
Speaker 4: of my best. It was because Abby was she did
Speaker 4: a great Chloe, Yeah, you seem did a great Kim.
Speaker 4: I think Kristen was Chris, which is really funny, and
Speaker 4: so like the person who was sort of left was Courtney.
Speaker 4: And Courtney's a great character, like she would be a
Speaker 4: great person to impersonate. But I, you know, I was fine.
Speaker 4: My big thing was that I would say sister. I
Speaker 4: would say my sisters, I think, or some said.
Speaker 5: But I love them so much and I have long
Speaker 5: held but I don't want to do it that they
Speaker 5: wear the appropriate amount of daytime makeup. That we would
Speaker 5: all be actually happier if we put on a face
Speaker 5: like that, because why not. Listen, there's a lot to
Speaker 5: be learned. They're billionaires. And one time, one time, I
Speaker 5: was in the Javits Center, which is for those of
Speaker 5: you who don't know, the worst place on earth in
Speaker 5: New York City.
Speaker 2: It's like where they had a car show. It was
Speaker 2: a convention.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And we were sent Lennon and I were
Speaker 5: sent to the upfronts even though our show was like
Speaker 5: weeks away from being canceled, so I don't really know.
Speaker 5: We were meant to sit in the audience, but we
Speaker 5: had to pump breast milk in the public bathroom of
Speaker 5: the Javit Center. And it was a dark moment. And
Speaker 5: you know, Hollywood does usually find a way to tell
Speaker 5: you kind of who you are and the pecking order.
Speaker 5: And there we were hooked up like in public, you know, pumping,
Speaker 5: and who came out of the stall but Kim, and
Speaker 5: she waddled her little skims clad booty on over to
Speaker 5: us and she put her hand on my shoulder and
Speaker 5: she said, been there, Wow, And then skadaddled out of there.
Speaker 5: And I thought that God lesser because that was as
Speaker 5: low as a you know, as a skunk, and I thought, God,
Speaker 5: damn it, you know, And I don't know if she'd
Speaker 5: been there, but who kiss.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I had a similar story that I
Speaker 4: was going to tell from an upfronts of meeting that
Speaker 4: please and I think this must have been before that,
Speaker 4: because I don't think Kim had kids yet. But we
Speaker 4: were doing an impression of them and they invited us
Speaker 4: to They didn't invite us, but the E Network invited
Speaker 4: us to was this thing we were at the E upfront.
Speaker 2: No different one, yekay, this was the E.
Speaker 4: Upfronts for their show, and they invited us and so
Speaker 4: we got dressed up as them, which again it's strange.
Speaker 4: I'm also the other thing about Courtney is she's like
Speaker 4: kind of the tiniest one, Like she's sort of the shortest,
Speaker 4: littlest one. Yes, and I'm so much bigger than Na
Speaker 4: seem I'm like twice Na seem set so like proportionally,
Speaker 4: it didn't make sense that I was Courtney either.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we met them and well, first.
Speaker 4: Of all, Chris was so Chris is such a momager,
Speaker 4: like she was like she came up to us and
Speaker 4: she goes, she was like, you girls are funny.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to be funny, Like what do
Speaker 2: I say?
Speaker 5: Like she was sort of like she wanted to get
Speaker 5: a master class.
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm giving a speech. I don't even
Speaker 4: know if this is funny. Like she was so charming,
Speaker 4: like she just wanted to be in with us in
Speaker 4: a way that I was like, well, we are like,
Speaker 4: you know, lovingly though, you know, but doing an impression
Speaker 4: of your daughters.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know.
Speaker 4: And I remember she I think she was just Kristen
Speaker 4: wasn't there, Kristin wasn't there to play her, so that
Speaker 4: was I think that was disappointing.
Speaker 2: But she was like she was like you girls are
Speaker 2: so funny, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: But then I remember, I think it was Chloe said
Speaker 4: to us, to me and Abby, and it seem like,
Speaker 4: do you guys think we really talk like that? Because
Speaker 4: we were doing these really extreme voices, no toy so
Speaker 4: that we weren't really doing them to sound like them.
Speaker 4: We were doing them to be funny, you know, like
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, And I remember being I don't know
Speaker 4: what caught me to this what we're talking, but I
Speaker 4: remember being scared, like wanting like just wanting to be
Speaker 4: friends with them and just wanting to not be I
Speaker 4: remember us being like oh no, like we're just having fun,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I just remember immediately being.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I don't want to have I want
Speaker 2: I want these girls.
Speaker 3: To like me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: And again, those girls were not watching Flintstones an Empty Nest.
Speaker 5: I can play you that they weren't. And so that
Speaker 5: instinct for them to like you and to approve of you,
Speaker 5: that's basic.
Speaker 2: That's survival.
Speaker 5: You're apted to an ancient survival skill as a as
Speaker 5: an animal human animal. Yes, yeah, because they're like I
Speaker 5: remember seeing in like a national geographic, like there are
Speaker 5: these monkeys. If you guys ever seen these monkeys that
Speaker 5: they live up in the in the mountains of Japan
Speaker 5: and they go to the hot springs. Have you ever
Speaker 5: seen this? It's like they go and they sit in
Speaker 5: these like hot hot springs like a hot tub while
Speaker 5: the snow comes down, and only the biggest and best
Speaker 5: looking monkeys get to sit in the hot springs. The
Speaker 5: rest of the monkeys have to sit outside the hot springs,
Speaker 5: freezing their tails off and watch the monkeys sitting in
Speaker 5: the hot springs. And so those of us who were
Speaker 5: watching Empty Nest, we're outside of the cub, right.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right. Yeah, I'm happy to be there.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to be everyone who's watching Euphoria.
Speaker 5: Or they're inside the tub, you know, they're inside the tub. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're inside the tub. That's okay, you know, because you know,
Speaker 5: I can't stand that tough forever.
Speaker 2: I wonder what the equivalent.
Speaker 4: You know, we were also watching Flintstones while they're watching.
Speaker 5: Like they were, well they're they're of course they're younger
Speaker 5: than me, but they were probably God, I wonder what
Speaker 5: they would have been filling there. I don't even you
Speaker 5: know what. They're so busy being beautiful that I don't
Speaker 5: think they even had time. Yeah, they were working on
Speaker 5: their billion.
Speaker 3: They're probably like on the Starbucks app ordering something really complicated.
Speaker 4: Yes, or shaking those salads, or they're watching what Olivia
Speaker 4: said that pink drink from Starbucks?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh Olivia. Olivia knows. Olivia possibly wasn't watch.
Speaker 1: Olivia knows a lot more about this stuff.
Speaker 4: Also, they'd probably be watching Save by the Bell, going, oh,
Speaker 4: Zach and all, Kelly and everyone are such dorks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, like yeah, for them, the popular girls don't
Speaker 5: even like add up. They're just like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, My love of them is pretty deep and
Speaker 5: I and I have a lot of respect for them.
Speaker 2: And I know it's not a popular thing to say,
Speaker 2: but it's true. They are.
Speaker 5: They are absolutely to be to be feared and to
Speaker 5: be appreciated for this, for their business prowess. Yes, you know,
Speaker 5: I have another question related to this.
Speaker 4: You know how again, like shows such as Blossom or
Speaker 4: My Soul called Life you could sort of relate to.
Speaker 4: Do you think anyone related to Beverly Hills nine O,
Speaker 4: two and o or just liked watching it?
Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting because that's another one. What an obsession
Speaker 5: during high school? I had me too, And in fact,
Speaker 5: when I go down to the beach nearby my house,
Speaker 5: it is by the now the public beach, it's by
Speaker 5: the where where Brandon had the summer job.
Speaker 2: Remember at the beach house. Yeah, the beach club that which.
Speaker 4: By the way, also on say by the bell they
Speaker 4: remember they went to. They wasn't the same on the
Speaker 4: beach club problem, but they were similar.
Speaker 2: They it's similar. But yeah, the beach, the Beverly Beach,
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Beach Club or something whatever it was.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, like again I was like, oh, life
Speaker 5: is better there, like I got to get to where
Speaker 5: that weather is, Like I'm getting out of New York
Speaker 5: and I do that. So like that also probably can
Speaker 5: probably influence my move west. And also like the idea
Speaker 5: that you could like go away with your boyfriend to Mexico.
Speaker 5: Remember that that episode where she did like went south
Speaker 5: of the border. I'm like, she's left the country with
Speaker 5: her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: And also their lockers were outside. Ugh, I mean that's living.
Speaker 2: That's what feels insane to us. Because with our school.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this on here before, Like you couldn't
Speaker 4: leave the premises for lunch, Like you couldn't. You had
Speaker 4: to have a lunch on You could maybe go to
Speaker 4: the courtyard, which is in the middle school, but that's
Speaker 4: as far as you get. Your lockers are already outside,
Speaker 4: and that high school was huge. You probably can go
Speaker 4: come and go as you please.
Speaker 2: You're halfway out of there.
Speaker 5: And also there was no natural light in our hallways, right,
Speaker 5: I don't think like it was as close to prison
Speaker 5: as it could get, Like you don't, yes, yeah, you're
Speaker 5: inside a fortress exactly. Yeah, So that was I don't
Speaker 5: think any of that was all aspirational obviously, but boy,
Speaker 5: Oh boy was it? Was it delicious to acting like
Speaker 5: adults like that at that young age.
Speaker 4: It was, I mean incredible. Yeah, they would just they
Speaker 4: went to didn't they go to Paris?
Speaker 2: I think they did. I think they did.
Speaker 5: And I also longed, like my parents weren't divorced, and
Speaker 5: I was like if only one of when did they
Speaker 5: get a divorce and then I could, like, you know,
Speaker 5: live like Dylan or like I just was like, can
Speaker 5: you just or Kelly's mom, I'm like, God, this is
Speaker 5: what's holding me back is them staying together his mom?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, somebody just leave somebody. Kelly's mom was
Speaker 2: so I mean, she had a lot of problems, right,
Speaker 2: she had a lot of problems, A lot of problems.
Speaker 2: Would also really glamorous. God, that's what I mean. I
Speaker 2: was like, I want have divorced.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like, yeah, like our parents are
Speaker 4: so normal.
Speaker 1: They're not like going doing cold.
Speaker 2: It was awful.
Speaker 5: I mean, what were they doing on Saturday nights? I
Speaker 5: don't know, but it wasn't exciting.
Speaker 4: Like like Kelly's mind, right, We're like, well, our parents
Speaker 4: are kind of cool.
Speaker 2: They're going out every Saturday night.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're better than us.
Speaker 5: They had a better social life that I have now,
Speaker 5: I can tell you that much.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, yeah, I mean if Sisters was on,
Speaker 4: I would still watch it every Saturday.
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. I'm gonna make my I do. I
Speaker 5: do make my daughter watch as many of the old
Speaker 5: things as I haven't turned her on to Flintstones, but
Speaker 5: I feel like her version of that. It's interesting to
Speaker 5: watch the generational her version of Flintstones as Bob's Burgers.
Speaker 5: She puts on Bob's and puts it on in the
Speaker 5: background and like and will drawer or something. But it's
Speaker 5: like she wants to constantly hear Bob's and like, I
Speaker 5: get it. I get and except for I've been you know,
Speaker 5: Mommy's on that. She's like, I fast forward your episodes.
Speaker 5: I find your voice grading I'm like, wonderful.
Speaker 2: She's like, can we call it? We look at Vanessa's
Speaker 2: clip again?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Now, were you ever.
Speaker 4: Into just to bring it back to Flintstones for a
Speaker 4: second as you did? Were you ever into the vitamins,
Speaker 4: the push pops, any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: I do remember, I actually ate an entire bottle of
Speaker 5: Flintstone's vitamins now, yes, and I almost had to have
Speaker 5: my stomach pumped.
Speaker 1: But they felt like they were candy, right.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: I The other thing I'm fascinated about for our generation now.
Speaker 5: Lennon will say she was a latchkey kid, and I
Speaker 5: think literally her mom got home at four fifteen, but
Speaker 5: she always was She self identifies as a latch key kid. Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: but we were left alone quite a lot and so
Speaker 5: and like in like in the house, somebody was there, right,
Speaker 5: but people weren't always on you or didn't really know
Speaker 5: where you were what you were doing. And so some
Speaker 5: morning I got up at like five am. I must
Speaker 5: have been like, I don't know, seven or seven, six
Speaker 5: or seven, and I just was like, I'm gonna house
Speaker 5: one of these bottles of Flintstones vitamins. And I also
Speaker 5: remember my parents being like, she looks okay, Like nobody.
Speaker 2: Rushed me anywhere. They were like keep an eye on her.
Speaker 3: I know that was probably were mostly sugar and like
Speaker 3: food coloring.
Speaker 4: I feel like they I might be misremembering this completely,
Speaker 4: but to me, the candy that I feel like they
Speaker 4: were the most similar to was sweet tarts, like that sort.
Speaker 5: Of right right, like they were hard, they had a
Speaker 5: chalky hard but sweet and sour taste.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they were like in the shapes of like
Speaker 4: flintstones things. And of course you'd be like, oh, I
Speaker 4: just left to my own devices. Why wouldn't they beat
Speaker 4: this whole bottle?
Speaker 5: I also did that weirdly to an entire like twelve
Speaker 5: hard boiled eggs for Easter.
Speaker 2: My mom had them.
Speaker 5: I was just like, I don't know why. I just
Speaker 5: like sat down to a meal of twelve HARDI.
Speaker 2: I was like, there's a cup. She's like a couple
Speaker 2: of things wrong with that. One.
Speaker 5: These have been unrefrigerated for three weeks for Easter. Two,
Speaker 5: Like that's too many eggs. And again they weren't like worried.
Speaker 5: They were just like, she seems okay, it's like.
Speaker 4: The only person who eats who eats that many eggs
Speaker 4: as like guesst on. Remember, yeah, I'm eating the fucking weird.
Speaker 4: That's some weird shit. No, yeah, kids don't do that
Speaker 4: eat so many eggs.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I have an adult version of this problem, which is
Speaker 4: that I have like in my living room, like kind
Speaker 4: of near my couch where I watch TV a lot.
Speaker 4: I have like a lot of like edibles, but also
Speaker 4: like a lot of like CBD gummies, which I'm like,
Speaker 4: these these don't have anything, and then they're just CBD.
Speaker 2: Any think they're good for you, but they're good for you.
Speaker 4: But I'm like they're delicious, like they're like gummy, but
Speaker 4: then they have sugar on them, and I'm like, I'll
Speaker 4: have a few of these, you know, like ye'll have more,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, I just want the candy of it
Speaker 4: so much, like I don't even care about the CBD effect.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, it's five am.
Speaker 4: I just woke up on my so the TV's blaring,
Speaker 4: all the lights are on. You know, it's not a
Speaker 4: great way to live your life when you're i'll say
Speaker 4: it forty something.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's like you're you're in mister roper. You're in
Speaker 2: mister roper category.
Speaker 5: It's like you are like on the last years of
Speaker 5: your life, like, man, make the most of them, like
Speaker 5: golden years. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm slowly dying
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I mean I guess, I guess, like why aren't
Speaker 4: we all buying flintstones vitamins and just down in those,
Speaker 4: you know, because you probably shouldn't, but but why not
Speaker 4: go back to them at.
Speaker 1: Least, why not?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And what about the pushpop?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead? Oh the push pops I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pushups they were Surbert and orange right, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were orange. Yeah, but they've been rebranded by Nestle
Speaker 3: as just like they still make them, but they're not
Speaker 3: affiliated with the Flintstones anymore.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I love that you have that right on the tip
Speaker 2: of your tongue. Joanah like you.
Speaker 3: Yeah stuff, Yeah, I just looked it up. But we've
Speaker 3: talked about it before in the podcast. This is something
Speaker 3: that I know that is not really that useful in
Speaker 3: my daily life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, Jessica, you're in luck because we are about to
Speaker 3: take a commercial break and then we're going to be
Speaker 3: back with a food oriented game.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: I can't wait that it's going to be bad way.
Speaker 3: So we'll be right back after this break and we're back,
Speaker 3: all right. So now we're going to play a game.
Speaker 3: It's called Congratulations You Baked Yourself.
Speaker 1: Congratulations You Baked Yourself.
Speaker 3: And in this game, we're going to discuss three culinary
Speaker 3: dishes that are making a comeback according to Southern Living magazine,
Speaker 3: and we're going to make the one we're most excited
Speaker 3: about that will be theme.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you picked up on this, Jessica,
Speaker 4: but it's a play on the term congratulations.
Speaker 2: You played yourself.
Speaker 5: Okay, no, I didn't get that, but I appreciate the back.
Speaker 5: I haven't the explanation. Much like Chris Carnac, sometimes you
Speaker 5: need to be.
Speaker 4: Having these funny kids to tell you.
Speaker 2: What's what's what? Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: The first one is it's called pear salad. Pear salad
Speaker 3: is an exhibit that perhaps Southerners do not know what
Speaker 3: the word salad means. Okay, anyways, So basically it's like iceberg, lettuce,
Speaker 3: a romaine, a pair mayonnaise, like in a pile, sort
Speaker 3: of like all piled on top of each other in
Speaker 3: a pile.
Speaker 5: I don't want that. You don't want that, okay, people,
Speaker 5: that sounds disgusting. Actually yeah yeah, And it does have
Speaker 5: these cherries on it, like kind of like similar to
Speaker 5: like there's.
Speaker 4: An additional ingredient which lightly sells me on it, which
Speaker 4: is shredded cheddar cheese on top.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: I honest know, I don't know who, what psychopath came
Speaker 5: up with this, but this is not who something's wrong
Speaker 5: with these.
Speaker 2: Flavors coming together. Joan, are you interested in this at all?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it goes back to eighteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: I think it's like if you're at like kind of
Speaker 3: a fancy place and you had like this kind of
Speaker 3: like high high end ingredients, it might be kind of
Speaker 3: an interesting thing, right, dry, But I don't think I
Speaker 3: could eat like a whole pair of sels, right It
Speaker 3: would be tough.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm holding judgment until I hear the next two
Speaker 4: to see which one I'd be the most interested in.
Speaker 4: But it's not it's not something I feel in this
Speaker 4: moment I need to be eating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree with with Jessica. I think that's
Speaker 3: the cheese. Is not the cheese. Yeah, I can't mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, no cheese.
Speaker 4: Now the next one is crackling corn bread. And this
Speaker 4: is a meaty, savory, Southern cornbread favorite. Now okay, now
Speaker 4: it's a natural, it's this is tough.
Speaker 1: This is tough.
Speaker 4: So you know, cornbread is the hottest of the hot
Speaker 4: topics in the South, apparently according to this article.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess if you work at Southern Living.
Speaker 4: So this person says, you know, yeah, sugar blasphemy. If
Speaker 4: you don't, it's tasteless rubbish. So wading into the cornbread
Speaker 4: wars of another variety might seem risky, but here we go. Okay,
Speaker 4: so it is a quintessential Southern food. This article really
Speaker 4: takes a long time to talk. It often only crops
Speaker 4: up in kitchens a few times a year, and most
Speaker 4: folks don't want to do the work of rendering the
Speaker 4: pork to make the cracklings. So pork cracklings are bits
Speaker 4: of pork that remain after pork fat trimmings are rendered.
Speaker 4: When the trimmings are heated, the fat will turn to
Speaker 4: liquid and the leftover bits, the meaty little morsels, are
Speaker 4: the cracklings.
Speaker 1: Okay, jack it. By the way, chicken.
Speaker 2: Cracklings can also be made from okay.
Speaker 4: Anyway, The point is this kracklin bread has butter, flour,
Speaker 4: corn meal, granulated sugar, kosher salt, buttermilk, large eggs, and
Speaker 4: then of course pork cracklands.
Speaker 1: The pork cracklands.
Speaker 4: And I know you guys are going, hey, can you
Speaker 4: say it one more time so we can absolutely jump
Speaker 4: through a window.
Speaker 5: It's just like ASMR. You just keep saying pork cracklings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: That's pretty good. It sounds pretty good, much better than
Speaker 5: the pear salad.
Speaker 4: I guess I start to say that it is shocking
Speaker 4: to me that the corn bread has actual pork in it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is for me.
Speaker 4: This is something, Jonah, I think our dad would definitely love,
Speaker 4: but I don't know if it's for me. But Jessica,
Speaker 4: it sounds like you're interested in it more so than
Speaker 4: the pear salad.
Speaker 5: Yes, for sure, But I don't need heat in my bread,
Speaker 5: so that's not like it's not something I'm gonna like.
Speaker 4: If I never had it, I'll be upset. It's not
Speaker 4: a must. Yeah, okay, no, no, yeah, Jonah, what about you?
Speaker 4: Are you interested in crackling corn bread?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I am. I mean, I'm not big.
Speaker 3: I don't think it needs but you know, you know,
Speaker 3: Jerem maguire was like, you have hello, Yeah, I'm like
Speaker 3: you any kind of variation on corn bread, I'm probably
Speaker 3: going to be into it.
Speaker 5: I agreed with you, like any kind of sweet bread,
Speaker 5: and that's what the Midwest, you guys do.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: I remember going to a baby shower outside of in Rockford, Illinois,
Speaker 5: and they served a cinnabon, basically a cinnamon bun before
Speaker 5: the meal ever began.
Speaker 2: That was your appetizer.
Speaker 5: So I do think that a sweet bread is a
Speaker 5: wonderful thing and insane for your blood sugar. You already
Speaker 5: have diabetes by the time you have launched into the
Speaker 5: first course.
Speaker 4: Well it sounds like okay, so we've got kind of
Speaker 4: mixed reviews. Now, Jonah, do you want to read this
Speaker 4: last one. I'm not I'm going to reserve judgment, but
Speaker 4: I but I want to see what Jessica thinks of
Speaker 4: this last one.
Speaker 3: Please, yes. So this last one is pumpkins cheffon Pie.
Speaker 3: And what's so funny is this was written by someone
Speaker 3: named Mary Anne Williams. And Williamson I was like, why
Speaker 3: is she why is she writing?
Speaker 2: She's taking a break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a that's a like a step down
Speaker 3: to be writing about this pumpkin chaffon pie. But yeah,
Speaker 3: and so the author says, Pumpkin cheffon pie was never
Speaker 3: on my radar going up. Okay, it was okay, we
Speaker 3: got Williams kind of life story going Let's okay, it's
Speaker 3: a classic pumpkin pie. Ingredients they're used in a different way.
Speaker 3: So you got ginger snaps for the crust, butter to
Speaker 3: bind the ginger snap. You got sugar eggs unflavored gelatin,
Speaker 3: which a signature ingredient for Chiffon pies for the structure,
Speaker 3: whole milk, pumpkin pie spice, okay, pumpkin pure and orange zest,
Speaker 3: heavy whipping cream, and powdered sugar. I guess it's like
Speaker 3: just a different consistency of pumpkin cheffar.
Speaker 2: It's like pumpkin but different. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's less heavy, it's more like looks like it's
Speaker 3: like lighter and more kind of airy than one of
Speaker 3: those really dense pumpkin pies you've been grown up beaten
Speaker 3: for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: Okay, like, yeah, got it a little more air whipped
Speaker 5: into it. Yes, I like my pumpkin pie pretty straightforward. Okay,
Speaker 5: so and and so I don't need to mess with that.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna stick with my crafnes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's very nice.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the pumpkin pie person?
Speaker 4: But I am somehow really as good as I am
Speaker 4: at saying the word kracklens. I'm not interested in meat,
Speaker 4: as you said, Jessica, I'm not interested in me in
Speaker 4: my corn bread. So I think of these three things,
Speaker 4: if I had to pick one, I probably would pick
Speaker 4: this one because it seems light and easy enough. It seems,
Speaker 4: you know, we've sort of gone through this article. There's
Speaker 4: there are quite a few different ones. This one seems
Speaker 4: like one of the least disgusting to me, So I
Speaker 4: would say I'm interested in pumpkin cheffon pie. You know,
Speaker 4: of course, when I think about it, when you know
Speaker 4: someone was serving this. Whenever I go anywhere and the
Speaker 4: dessert's not chocolate, I'm like, what the like, why am
Speaker 4: I here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Your restaurant goes, yeah, dust your chocolate in their mind,
Speaker 4: which I've found this at a lot of restaurants lately.
Speaker 4: They're like, none of the desserts are chocolate, And I go,
Speaker 4: are you guys out of your fucking mind? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you want to close?
Speaker 1: Ally?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're begging for me to leave a Yelp
Speaker 5: review that time.
Speaker 3: Do you feel how do you feel about like a
Speaker 3: cheese plate when that served for dessert.
Speaker 2: It's not a dessert.
Speaker 4: I'm dessert first, and then I'd like to go back
Speaker 4: to a cheese plate and just eat it until I'm sick,
Speaker 4: but not gonna.
Speaker 5: Start with it me too. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. I mean,
Speaker 5: the French do a lot of things right, but I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think they end on cheese. They gotta yeah,
Speaker 5: they got you gotta slip in some chocolate there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you got to you simply myself. But Jonah, what do
Speaker 5: you think about a pumpkin chiffon pie?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, pumpkin pie is a real wild
Speaker 3: card for me because I think it can be really good,
Speaker 3: but a lot of times it's not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think back to the pie we
Speaker 4: just had Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Did we like it? Yeah? It was okay.
Speaker 5: Now, well here's the thing, like, don't give it to
Speaker 5: me if it's real pumpkin.
Speaker 2: I don't want that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, from the can, Yeah, I want it with condensed milk.
Speaker 5: I want it from the eighties. I want my pumpkin
Speaker 5: pie to be from the eighties.
Speaker 3: Every time I make it, it's like, you gotta add
Speaker 3: that spice and you got to add like a whole
Speaker 3: jar of it. I feel like to get the right
Speaker 3: flavor because it's right. The pumpkin is so kind of
Speaker 3: bland on its own. So that's not really profile. You
Speaker 3: give me a piece of carrot cake, right.
Speaker 2: Thank you, but give me. If you give me, you
Speaker 2: give me crosting.
Speaker 4: You may as well just walk out the door right now,
Speaker 4: just throw it into the garbage.
Speaker 5: And you know what, Los Angeles may be a lot
Speaker 5: of things, the home of Three's Company, the home of
Speaker 5: Beverly Hills nine No. Two, and oh, but they love
Speaker 5: a wit crosting on a fucking cheesecake carrot cake. And
Speaker 5: you know what you gotta be, you get it a
Speaker 5: shamed of yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to actually agree with Jessica and this.
Speaker 3: I think the crackling corn bread, that's that's where i'd go.
Speaker 3: I think that, I think I would try it. I
Speaker 3: don't think I need the cracklings, but it's corn bread.
Speaker 1: I'm going to eat it.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be good. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: hard to mess with corn bread.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's your biggest shot. It's your best
Speaker 2: shot for that mom. Interesting, I think that's a fair sea.
Speaker 4: So two votes for crackling corn bread and one for
Speaker 4: pumpkin chiffon pie. So it's se that crackling corn bread
Speaker 4: baked itself.
Speaker 1: Wow, guys are so weird. I'll wait to you hear
Speaker 1: it with you sound effect.
Speaker 2: You're so fucking I remember the name.
Speaker 1: How did we get so?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, so much perfect. It's really perfect.
Speaker 1: You've done it.
Speaker 4: I mean, where can people find you now that they've
Speaker 4: listened to us?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, if you want more weird stories. And June
Speaker 5: and I do talk a fair amount about our childhoods
Speaker 5: on The Deep Dive. You know, we bounce from whether
Speaker 5: or not June has over blonded her hair and whether
Speaker 5: it's falling out to you know, deep grief about her
Speaker 5: about her mother who's passed, but in the same sentence
Speaker 5: sometimes but we Yeah, The Deep Dive is our podcast
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Speaker 2: I am, I don't know what it is, Saint Clair.
Speaker 5: Jessica, but The Deep Dive actually has a really exciting
Speaker 5: academy that Vanessa boy. Would we love to have you
Speaker 5: come on as a dean of something, so think about
Speaker 5: you know what you could be possibly.
Speaker 2: There's some examples of your peep.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we have you know, my former nanny is
Speaker 5: our kind of culinary arts. We have a dean of hydration,
Speaker 5: Matt McConkey, because he drinks like gowns and gowns of
Speaker 5: water a day. We have a dean of Cozy valisac
Speaker 5: about how to yeah tape. She's taught us the art
Speaker 5: of table scaping. But essentially, people can join the Deep
Speaker 5: Dive Academy of Significance. They're pursuing their degree insignificance, and
Speaker 5: we have a one hundred percent acceptance right and everybody
Speaker 5: gradual no matter whether you definitely met an assignment.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely going to think on what we'd love to
Speaker 4: have you in to say that you and June have
Speaker 4: both been guests on like Bitch Session stuff too. I
Speaker 4: would like to I feel spiritually aligned with your podcast
Speaker 4: and with Bitch Sash in the podcast world.
Speaker 5: You are already there, Vanessa. The fact we're not together
Speaker 5: every Tuesday night is something like the fact that we
Speaker 5: don't have stone houses next to each other is beyond me.
Speaker 5: Like we all went to college together. Jonah is my
Speaker 5: older brother, Like we always kindergarten together.
Speaker 2: I'm already so we're all think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that there's a nice uh you know,
Speaker 4: sort of a crossover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nice crossover, really nice crossover.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, So if you want to join that,
Speaker 5: it's the Deepdive Academy dot com.
Speaker 2: Just come and join us, Come and join us. The
Speaker 2: head Mistress is amazing.
Speaker 4: Well, what a great time we've had with you, Jessica,
Speaker 4: and thank you for being here, and thank you to
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