Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fantasy Pros NFL Draft Show. My
Speaker 1: name is Derek Brown. I'm your host today and I'm
Speaker 1: joined as usual by my co host Thorn Eistrom, the
Speaker 1: man that has never met a JJ McCarthy propy did
Speaker 1: not want to bet. And on today's show, we're gonna
Speaker 1: run through our top ten wide receivers, discuss where consensus
Speaker 1: is for all these guys, where we lie in everything
Speaker 1: in between. Four, let's kick this off here, baby, I mean, one,
Speaker 1: how you doing? And two how's draft season treating you?
Speaker 2: Man? It's going, it's going well.
Speaker 3: We're in the thick of it now, less than forty
Speaker 3: days to go until the kickoff at the NFL Draft.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we are in the heart of it now.
Speaker 3: Excited to see how this plays out. It's getting interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's getting wild out there in the streets. Man.
Speaker 1: The takes are flowing. We're seeing trades popping off here
Speaker 1: and there, some mock drafts. You just had a mock
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Speaker 1: action in there, and we're seeing all the things with
Speaker 1: free agents still popping off, so it's going to affect
Speaker 1: NFL drafts and mocks alike. Let's get this rolling man
Speaker 1: for this wide receiver consensus. This top ten we're gonna
Speaker 1: run through is from NFL mock draft database dot Com.
Speaker 1: Number ten to kick off this list is Xavier Legett.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 1: Where's he in your ranks and what's your thoughts on laget?
Speaker 3: Xavier Legett is twelveth in my ranking, So just outside
Speaker 3: of that, like this, you have to love the size, stash, speed, dash,
Speaker 3: athleticism that you see with him. NFL combine six foot one,
Speaker 3: two hundred twenty one pounds with a nine to nine
Speaker 3: to two raz of course that was with four to
Speaker 3: three nine speed. That obviously he is well built, and
Speaker 3: then you have the speed element, and then you also
Speaker 3: have you can project work ethic with Xavier Legette. He
Speaker 3: was a guy that took till his fifth season to
Speaker 3: breakout as a wide receiver. The four years before that
Speaker 3: he was an organizational soldier for South Carolina. He was
Speaker 3: filling in on all the special teams units. It's really
Speaker 3: hard to get here. He was always the good athlete. Finally,
Speaker 3: by the fifth season, he had refined his game enough
Speaker 3: where he was able to break out on a South
Speaker 3: Carolina team that did not have a lot of skill
Speaker 3: talent help around him. This past season, they had had
Speaker 3: some NFL losses. They'd had multiple guys that transferred to
Speaker 3: other big schools, Marshawn Lloyd, Jahim Bell, some other.
Speaker 2: Guys in this class.
Speaker 3: But the thing that I like about la Guet, outside
Speaker 3: of the athleticism with the size, it's his ability to
Speaker 3: stop and start and then the hands in conjunction with
Speaker 3: his catch radius, so he's able to create the separation
Speaker 3: with that stop start deebro We saw this in mobile
Speaker 3: where he is good at getting downtown. But that first
Speaker 3: day that he was down there was not a good
Speaker 3: day for Xavier log At. He was trying to blow
Speaker 3: off the line and make the highlight reel play on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: You know, when he came back on day two in practices,
Speaker 3: he had changed his strategy to where it was fully
Speaker 3: fleshed out. He was doing the stop start stuff. He
Speaker 3: was cutting out towards the sideline, and he was catching
Speaker 3: anything that was thrown at him. Was starting to separate
Speaker 3: again in different stuff like that. You saw the whole
Speaker 3: game play up. He only dropped two balls on ninety
Speaker 3: seven targets last year. He's able to both go up
Speaker 3: and get it, but also fish balls out outside the
Speaker 3: frame and outside.
Speaker 2: Those are the things I like about Xavier.
Speaker 1: The gap. Yeah, I like his game overall, man, I think,
Speaker 1: and everybody's going to talk about you kind of touched
Speaker 1: on this as well as the late breakout and him
Speaker 1: not breaking onto that. So you know, for a lot
Speaker 1: of fantasy purposes, a lot of people that are, you know,
Speaker 1: looking through the lens of a model and stuff. He's
Speaker 1: not going to look good in that respect. But again,
Speaker 1: you talked about the get full time boundary guy, and
Speaker 1: he pops off versus the numbers last season eleventh yards
Speaker 1: per route run. We know that. The physical I mean,
Speaker 1: he tested crazy, man, So the physical specimen is real.
Speaker 1: Eighteenth in PFF receiving grade. My whole thing with Lagett,
Speaker 1: and I've got him at wide receiver fourteen right now
Speaker 1: in my rank, so we're not that far off, man.
Speaker 1: He just outside of my top ten. And really it
Speaker 1: just kind of comes down to in that range parsing
Speaker 1: out like guys that you either like their skill sets
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a choose your own adventure there.
Speaker 1: And with Legett, I think the big thing for me
Speaker 1: is I still look at him as a developmental guy.
Speaker 1: The testings there, the high end reps are there. He
Speaker 1: also does have some reps where you see on his
Speaker 1: film where he still needs to work on his releases.
Speaker 1: He needs to work on his route running a little
Speaker 1: bit more like as far as selling his vertical push,
Speaker 1: and there are some inconsistencies there. And I mean to
Speaker 1: be honest, for a guy that didn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of playing time his first four years of college, that's
Speaker 1: not insane to expect that kind of stuff. So can
Speaker 1: he continue to grow in his game at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: It's definitely possible, man. But exactly where he's at in
Speaker 1: his game, I think it gives him a little bit
Speaker 1: wider range of outcomes. So it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: kind of push him into the top ten. Man. But
Speaker 1: moving up to number nine, a guy that I love
Speaker 1: and I'm curious where you sit because I'm gonna spit
Speaker 1: the love letter on him here in a second. But
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin is coming in at wide receiver nine. I
Speaker 1: know some people were a little bit disappointed at with
Speaker 1: his testing over at the Combine, the fact that he
Speaker 1: did not run a four to three. I know, we've
Speaker 1: gotten a few different measurements, some different weights. Tony Pauline
Speaker 1: put out there that Troy Franklin weighed in at one
Speaker 1: eighty four recently, whereas like if you look at other
Speaker 1: comparable weights in the one seventies. But what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Troy Franklin thor.
Speaker 3: Well, I like to see that he bulked up a
Speaker 3: little bit during the process, and he's done that over
Speaker 3: the course of his career. You know, he started out
Speaker 3: real reil thin coming out of high school, but has
Speaker 3: added some some of the weight. He's gonna have to
Speaker 3: keep doing that obviously at the next level. I wish
Speaker 3: we'd gotten to see him test at the bigger weight,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean when when he was at the Combine,
Speaker 3: it was one hundred and seventy six pounds at six
Speaker 3: foot two, so I mean he was really down there,
Speaker 3: and you know, in order so that he could test
Speaker 3: at the smaller weight, and he tested okay, eight one
Speaker 3: to eight rads, but not like a freak athlete of course,
Speaker 3: you know, four at one hundred and seventy six pounds.
Speaker 3: The other metrics were okay, you like the thirty nine
Speaker 3: inch vertical. You have that explosive element to his game,
Speaker 3: the springiness. The thing that I liked the most about
Speaker 3: him is after the catch he is super dupe. Well,
Speaker 3: the agility plays on the route, but afterwards he is
Speaker 3: very slippery, so he is very difficult to sort of
Speaker 3: corral when he has the ball in his hands. Oregon
Speaker 3: they had all those and we talk about this mostly
Speaker 3: when it as when we're talking about bon Nicks, but
Speaker 3: they had that offense that was full of either the
Speaker 3: funnel screens or the very short, quick hitting stuff. Franklin
Speaker 3: would get that stuff and then he'd start making guys mess.
Speaker 3: A lot of Bonnix's passing yard edge can be accredited
Speaker 3: to Troy Franklin's after the catch machinations. He's one of
Speaker 3: the better guys at that. He wins at all three levels,
Speaker 3: so I like that. You know, you see that explosion
Speaker 3: with him, But of course the short stuff that was
Speaker 3: the stuff that he really leverage at Oregon and then
Speaker 3: creating something out of nothing didn't run quite as fast
Speaker 3: as I wanted. But I do like Troy Franklin enough
Speaker 3: to have him seventh right now in my ranking in
Speaker 3: that sort of tier there, you know, it's sort.
Speaker 2: Of mucked up there.
Speaker 3: But I do like what I've seen of Franklin enough
Speaker 3: and believing that he can be an outside receiver in
Speaker 3: the NFL to rank up number seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as much as you like him, I love
Speaker 1: him even more. Man, he's my wide receiver four in
Speaker 1: this class. I think he's I have a first round
Speaker 1: grade on him now. Where he goes, we've seen him
Speaker 1: mocked the back end of the first, top end of
Speaker 1: the second. I think that regardless of where he goes,
Speaker 1: it does not matter to me. I love his game
Speaker 1: last year amongst all FBS wide receivers at least fifty
Speaker 1: targets do with sixteen yards per route run in fifteenth
Speaker 1: and PFF receiving grade. And the thing about Franklin's his
Speaker 1: game that I don't think gets enough love thor is
Speaker 1: the fact that he is such a freaking good route runner.
Speaker 1: Like people glom onto the speed and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's fast. He's fast, and he's a field stretcher, but
Speaker 1: they don't give him enough love as a tactician, like
Speaker 1: he has no issues like varying pacing, in his route
Speaker 1: el and with that type of speed. And again, I'll
Speaker 1: throw this out there, everybody was expecting him to run
Speaker 1: a four to three. Just because he ran a four
Speaker 1: to four, do I care? No, He's still had a
Speaker 1: ninetieth percentile forty yard dash an eighty third percentile burst score.
Speaker 1: So am I going to split hairs and say, well,
Speaker 1: he didn't run the four to three that I expected
Speaker 1: him to run. I do not care about that. What
Speaker 1: I see on film is he's got speed for days.
Speaker 1: He explodes in and out of his brakes. And again
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy that I think he is
Speaker 1: a very, very underrated route runner. Now, there are some
Speaker 1: issues to his game, as tar as because a lot
Speaker 1: of people talk about Troy Franklin. The first thing that
Speaker 1: usually is on the tip of the tongue is drop issues.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he does not have drop issues,
Speaker 1: because he does. But we can also trace back, like
Speaker 1: nine drops in twenty twenty three. We can't ignore that.
Speaker 1: But some of these were poorly thrown balls, bad ball
Speaker 1: placement by bone. He does have a few that are
Speaker 1: related to ball tracking and some of the over the
Speaker 1: shoulder catching technique, But does that worry you a lot
Speaker 1: more because to me, I feel like some of that
Speaker 1: is coaching. He can clean up some of those things.
Speaker 1: Maybe the drops kind of hang with him, but I
Speaker 1: don't see it as a giant red flag where I
Speaker 1: know some do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not as much no as some others, because you know,
Speaker 3: you were sort of setting this up, but it got
Speaker 3: elevated last year and they were concentration drops, right Like
Speaker 3: every other aspect of his game improved in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three except for that one. I attribute that more to
Speaker 3: trying to do a little bit too much and trying
Speaker 3: to set up the yak yardage before the ball is secure.
Speaker 3: You know, you're already doing the slippery thing, trying to
Speaker 3: jerk around real quick, make that sudden and then.
Speaker 2: Get into the yak stuff.
Speaker 3: That's what I saw of him, Like it was he
Speaker 3: was not looking it all the way in on some
Speaker 3: of those drops.
Speaker 2: That to me is pretty easily.
Speaker 3: Culchable because we've seen that the hands have been solid
Speaker 3: in previous years whatever. So Yeah, not as big of
Speaker 3: a concern for me in that aspect, And debro to
Speaker 3: the point you were making about his ability to separate
Speaker 3: any level of the field. Troy Franklin eighty seven percentile
Speaker 3: separation percentile last year separation percentile against single coverage was
Speaker 3: eighty one. So both those things we talk about the
Speaker 3: top fifteen receivers in the class or so those two metrics,
Speaker 3: he's up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, he's got teach tape reps as far as
Speaker 1: how to stack corners and stuff. I mean, it's literally
Speaker 1: like if you were going to take this and show
Speaker 1: it to younger receivers and say, Okay, this is how
Speaker 1: you stack a corner. Troy Franklin has repsalt like that
Speaker 1: all through littered throughout his film. Man. But moving on
Speaker 1: to wide receiver eight, a player that look, if you're
Speaker 1: over there doing getting ready for rookie drafts and dynasty
Speaker 1: drafts and stuff, you're using the draft simulator over fantasypros
Speaker 1: dot Com slash simulator, and you're looking at our rookie
Speaker 1: ranks right now, this guy's got an all over the place,
Speaker 1: and he's a very interesting profile.
Speaker 2: Thor Wer.
Speaker 1: I know you love him even more than I do,
Speaker 1: and I've come around on him, so I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: some respect, and I know probably you're gonna ask me
Speaker 1: to issue an apology letter here, but lad McConkie comes
Speaker 1: in as the consensus wide receiver eight. I know you
Speaker 1: have him higher. The question is, I have a look
Speaker 1: at dranks recently, how high do you have mister mconkie.
Speaker 3: Thor I have him fifth, and I go back and
Speaker 3: forth between ranking him fourth and fifth. Like I have
Speaker 3: sided with Thomas at least today as wide receiver four.
Speaker 3: But to me that that one's pretty close. Obviously they
Speaker 3: are very very different receivers. But I'm just talking overall qualitatively.
Speaker 3: I love Lad McConkie's game. To me, I would have
Speaker 3: zero problems whatsoever if a team takes Lad mcconkee laid
Speaker 3: first round, zero problems at all. He will be a
Speaker 3: first rounder on my board. In fact, I might advocate
Speaker 3: for the Kansas City Chiefs to pop him if he's there.
Speaker 3: The his ability to separate Lad mcconk is elite by
Speaker 3: any measure that you want to do it, whether it's
Speaker 3: the eye test on tape, whether debro, it's what we
Speaker 3: saw in Mobile. Lad McConkie changed the behavior of defensive
Speaker 3: backs in one on one drills down in Mobile at
Speaker 3: the Senior Ball this year more than any other receiver,
Speaker 3: And to me it.
Speaker 2: A Tank Dell from the year before.
Speaker 3: What they did with tank Dell was grab him out
Speaker 3: of the route breaks and then they would get flag
Speaker 3: the defensive backs and those one on ones so they
Speaker 3: wouldn't get torched. With lad McConkie, they were getting torched
Speaker 3: on the Tuesday. On the Wednesday, everyone was playing off them.
Speaker 3: Just take take the free, easy completion, the short one
Speaker 3: so that you don't lick us downfield.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: And then you look at his analytical profile, lad McConkie
Speaker 3: receiving great against single coverage last year ninety eighth percentile,
Speaker 3: lad McConkie separation percentile ninety third, and then separation percentile
Speaker 3: against single coverage ninety first. He didn't play, you know,
Speaker 3: he was dinged up a little bit last year, didn't
Speaker 3: play in every game. And of course Georgia's system, they
Speaker 3: had the two tight ends, they'd run the ball a lot.
Speaker 3: You know, it is a similar ish Michigan in terms
Speaker 3: of that. But lad McConkie proved to me in college
Speaker 3: not only does he wake up separating when he rolls
Speaker 3: out of bed, but also that he can play on
Speaker 3: the outside like you know, both in college where last
Speaker 3: year it was seventy eight point seven percent of his
Speaker 3: snaps were on the boundary, twenty one point three were
Speaker 3: in the slot.
Speaker 2: But then also what really, just you know, put the
Speaker 2: flag in that.
Speaker 3: For that that he can play on the boundary in
Speaker 3: the NFL was his testing profile was the last thing
Speaker 3: that he had to prove, and he did it. Four
Speaker 3: three nine thirty six inch vertical head over a ten
Speaker 3: foot broad ends up putting up a RAS of eight
Speaker 3: four five. That's all I needed to see. I agree
Speaker 3: with the Doug Baldwin comps on lab McConkey man. I
Speaker 3: did not see him testing the way that he did.
Speaker 1: And that's where my apology letter starts on lad like
Speaker 1: I did not see the four three speed I going
Speaker 1: back to the film and stuff like that, Like he
Speaker 1: just he tested like a freak man, and congrats to him.
Speaker 1: I mean, all he did was making money at the combine.
Speaker 1: I guess my only thing and you alluded to this
Speaker 1: on the numbers, but give me the film take here
Speaker 1: thor is that with him playing the boundary. I do
Speaker 1: see some reps where physical corners can kind of get
Speaker 1: into his body, they can kind of give him issues.
Speaker 1: What do you think about his progression to the NFL.
Speaker 1: I know you brought up like, do you think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a boundary receiver? Do you think he plays
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty because that's that's the only kind of
Speaker 1: knock in his game. And maybe you can kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, parse through like the full route tree what
Speaker 1: he was asked to do with Georgia. But the numbers
Speaker 1: are definitely there, eighth and yards per route run. But
Speaker 1: do you see him as a seventy eighty percent boundary
Speaker 1: guy in the NFL? Or do you think he's gonna
Speaker 1: rotate between the perimeter and the slot.
Speaker 3: Could be to the former, I'm sure the latter that's
Speaker 3: gonna be the case, right, Like, you know, what will
Speaker 3: that percentage be?
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 3: But Lad McConkie can seamlessly go between boundary slot. He
Speaker 3: could play in a twelve person offense. That's obviously what
Speaker 3: we saw at Georgia. I think he could play it
Speaker 3: just as well in a three wide receiver base set
Speaker 3: as well. The press coverage thing, Debro, it's a good
Speaker 3: point last year, Lad McConkey. And this is in part
Speaker 3: because of the injuries the time that he missed, But
Speaker 3: in terms of the class, you just stack it up
Speaker 3: he's near the bottom in terms of press coverage snaps
Speaker 3: that he saw last year. He only saw forty eight
Speaker 3: of them, you know, like I said, in part because
Speaker 3: of that, but I'm not as concerned about that because
Speaker 3: of the tremendous footwork that he has.
Speaker 2: You see the release.
Speaker 3: Package in the limited amount of times that we got
Speaker 3: to see it in college. The play strength, it would
Speaker 3: be the concern with him, for sure. But you got
Speaker 3: to touch him to stop him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've said that time and time again.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna press somebody, you got to you got
Speaker 1: to be able to get your hands on them. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't press which you can't catch, So that four
Speaker 1: to three speed's gonna definitely play up man. But on
Speaker 1: to wide receiver seven, all right, a player that I
Speaker 1: am just gonna lead this off and say that I
Speaker 1: am a lower on him. I do not have him
Speaker 1: in my top ten. FO, you do have this player
Speaker 1: inside of your top ten? This is one Keon Coleman.
Speaker 1: I used a wide receiver seven per consensus, so I
Speaker 1: know we are divided on this player. So you go
Speaker 1: ahead and give the the pro Keon Coleman case. And
Speaker 1: I know somewhere out there in the ether, possibly on
Speaker 1: a golf course. Right now, Pat Pits Morris is listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast, and I know his ears and other
Speaker 1: parts of his body are tangling. Make them tangle more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is a weird profile, though, I will say,
Speaker 3: because you can look at this one from two different
Speaker 3: angles and arrive at what you know, You can be
Speaker 3: looking at the same data and the same tape and
Speaker 3: then arrive at wildly different conclusions depending on how you
Speaker 3: parse it and how you view it and how you
Speaker 3: look at the situation, different stuff like that. Obviously, he
Speaker 3: ran the four six to one at the combine, but
Speaker 3: he had the fast Gauntlet score. The rest of his
Speaker 3: tests were really good as well. So how do you
Speaker 3: want to see the analytic profile, you know, just to
Speaker 3: start with. And then last year analytically he suffered in
Speaker 3: a way that we were not expecting. You know, when
Speaker 3: he came over from Michigan State, it was this guy's
Speaker 3: a first round talent. And then he goes to Florida
Speaker 3: State and it's like this is a playoff contender, and
Speaker 3: right away he had the great game against LSU, he
Speaker 3: had the great game against Clemson, and it's like here
Speaker 3: we go, he's going to.
Speaker 2: Rise up the board and down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Last season, things came down for him, in part because
Speaker 3: he had an injury, and in part because Jordan Travis's injury.
Speaker 3: Then Florida State was putting quarterbacks out there that should
Speaker 3: not have been playing. But Keon Coleman last year, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about some of these analytical profiles. Keyon Coleman
Speaker 3: separation percentile against single coverage last year. You want to
Speaker 3: take a guest, debro, what percentile do you think key
Speaker 3: On Coleman was.
Speaker 1: In twenty third zero?
Speaker 2: He was in the zero percenta Kevon Coleman.
Speaker 3: I like Keyon Coleman a lot, but he doesn't separate
Speaker 3: on the field.
Speaker 2: He just does it.
Speaker 3: And I've you know, there's some guys where he made
Speaker 3: and I've heard this argument made about Keon Coleman that
Speaker 3: he's more comfortable where when he can feel that guy,
Speaker 3: he wants him around him. So he knows how to contort,
Speaker 3: knows how to position the body. He's very very good
Speaker 3: at the catch point. Like any even people that don't
Speaker 3: like him, you have to admit that he's got great hands.
Speaker 3: The body can admit the way that he pins people
Speaker 3: to his back. Different stuff like that. He's awesome and
Speaker 3: contested situations and he doesn't drop the ball, so that
Speaker 3: stuff's all good, but it is his ability to win
Speaker 3: in contested situations is going to have to play at
Speaker 3: the NFL level because he wasn't even separating from ACC corners.
Speaker 2: You like his ability to get up in the air, you.
Speaker 3: Know, with the framing conjunction, with that leaping ability, and
Speaker 3: we saw this in college. But he's six sixty three
Speaker 3: in a quarter, two hundred and thirteen pounds and the
Speaker 3: leaping ability. I was actually surprised he didn't hit forty
Speaker 3: in the vert. He got thirty eight inches in the vert.
Speaker 3: A keyon Coleman Earlier in his career. Not only did
Speaker 3: he play football at Michigan State, he played basketball for
Speaker 3: Tom Izzo. Like this, this guy's a hooper that you
Speaker 3: know both knows how to box out but also knows
Speaker 3: how to go up there for the rebounds and high
Speaker 3: point different stuff like that. I love the physicality there,
Speaker 3: loved the contested catchuff, like his hands a lot. But
Speaker 3: that is going to have to play in the NFL
Speaker 3: because he will not be separating from NFL corners. I
Speaker 3: have Keon Coleman wide receiver eight, and I camp him
Speaker 3: to a guy that was pretty similar to him in college,
Speaker 3: and I think he could have had a season more
Speaker 3: like this guy had some seasons, had Keon Coleman not
Speaker 3: gotten hurt and had Jordan Travis never gotten hurt, I
Speaker 3: call him to T Higgins.
Speaker 1: Oooo. That is a juicy ceiling comp for Keon Coleman. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that you've effectively gotten all the love out for
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman, and now it's time for the pain trains.
Speaker 1: Sure I do that every part or piece of his game. Look,
Speaker 1: I was not I was expecting him to test well
Speaker 1: in the vert in which you talked about that, even
Speaker 1: the fact that he did not reach forty inches, he's
Speaker 1: still walked away with a seventy ninth percentile vert and
Speaker 1: an eighty third percentile broad jump. If you turn on
Speaker 1: his tape, you're automatically you know that the testing for
Speaker 1: his jumps is going to be there. Now, I could
Speaker 1: throw a shade at like, oh he runs a four
Speaker 1: to six, Does that really matter? No, Because when it
Speaker 1: comes down to like how many wide receivers in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and I know I've given fits a ton of crap about. Okay,
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman ran a four six oo. But in the
Speaker 1: reality of it is, how much does that matter? In
Speaker 1: the NFL. We could go through and I'm not telling
Speaker 1: you that he ran a freaking four eight. He ran
Speaker 1: a four to six. Okay, you could name a laundry
Speaker 1: list of wide receivers in the NFL that have been
Speaker 1: extremely successful that run four sixes. So does that matter
Speaker 1: to me? No, But when you turn on the tape
Speaker 1: for Keon Coleman, what matters to me is this guy
Speaker 1: did not even produce to the level of Johnny Wilson
Speaker 1: inside of the same offense we're talking about Keon Coleman
Speaker 1: over the last two years. Here's his ranks and yards
Speaker 1: per route run out of all FBS wide receivers at
Speaker 1: least fifty targets, one hundred and seventy fifth and one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventh. Here's his ranks for PFF receiving grade
Speaker 1: one seventy ninth, YAK per reception seventy second and two
Speaker 1: hundred and six. He's not gonna give you much as
Speaker 1: in terms of YAK. He cannot sit here and burn
Speaker 1: people deep. Can he track the ball well? Deep? Yes,
Speaker 1: but you are going to have a corner in his
Speaker 1: back pocket the entirety of every game, and you were
Speaker 1: asking him to win at the catchpoint. Was he able
Speaker 1: to do that in college? Yes, that's his special sauce.
Speaker 1: But the reason I think that that is a special
Speaker 1: sauce for him also it's a function and a result
Speaker 1: of that he cannot separate with his route running. You
Speaker 1: see rounded routes, you see him runningto space, and I
Speaker 1: question is that going to fully translate to the NFL.
Speaker 1: To your point, T Higgins some of the same questions.
Speaker 1: Maybe not as loud as Kean when he was coming
Speaker 1: out of Clemson, but I think T Higgins is a
Speaker 1: better route runner than people give him credit coming out
Speaker 1: of Clemson. I don't see those things with Keon Coleman.
Speaker 1: So right now in my rankings, and if you're Keon Coleman,
Speaker 1: stan brace yourself. I've got him met wide receiver thirteen
Speaker 1: And this is just comes down to he's in a
Speaker 1: He's he falls into a category, a tier of wide
Speaker 1: receivers that big body guys that we have questions about.
Speaker 1: And whether that's questions on the profile, the film, or both,
Speaker 1: I've got those definitely in spades for Keon Coleman, So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it doesn't mean my top ten man. But
Speaker 1: moving on to a guy that we just talked about
Speaker 1: big and four to six running, now we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about smaller and a lightning fast baby, one of my
Speaker 1: guys in this class. I love his game. But the
Speaker 1: word I'm gonna let you lead this off, baby, because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the icing on the cake at the
Speaker 1: end of this wide receiver six per consensus Texas wide
Speaker 1: receiver Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ran the.
Speaker 3: Record forty at the combine. Was the coolest moment that
Speaker 3: we had this year in Indianapolis. Ran the four to one.
Speaker 3: I loved that he in the first one. You know,
Speaker 3: he didn't get the record outright, and then he wanted
Speaker 3: to run the second one even though he.
Speaker 1: Said anite that apple, baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wanted us set the record. He went to Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: I'm going to take that record. We know he's fast,
Speaker 3: and now we know he's confirmed to be one of
Speaker 3: the faster guys entering the NFL. Ever, the other thing
Speaker 3: that you like about him, it's the ability to separate
Speaker 3: just consistently. The athleticism plays of course, certainly did in college.
Speaker 3: He was able to play slot and on the out side,
Speaker 3: but he also has an idea of how to route run.
Speaker 3: He's a guy who can win at all three different levels.
Speaker 3: Different stuff like that. He's not a guy because of
Speaker 3: his size. You know, he's only one hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: five pounds at just a.
Speaker 2: Little over five eleven.
Speaker 3: But yeah, obviously the strength concerns apply in difference in
Speaker 3: the size concerns apply, different stuff like that, but he
Speaker 3: can win at all three level.
Speaker 2: The ball tracking is pretty good. Different stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Does have a little bit of a smaller catch radius,
Speaker 3: but it's certainly bigger than for instance, Tank Dell's or
Speaker 3: even Jay Flowers, the guy that I comp them to.
Speaker 3: The one question and Tebro, you and I have talked
Speaker 3: about this before, the question that I have about Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guys open all.
Speaker 3: The time, but you do see some baffling drops from him,
Speaker 3: and that's something. If he cleans it up at the
Speaker 3: NFL level, he is going to be tremendous at the
Speaker 3: NFL level. If he doesn't, he's the guy that the
Speaker 3: defense has to account for every play, and you're concerned
Speaker 3: about the speeding. Different stuff like that, but he's gonna
Speaker 3: have some big moment drops just because of that.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two he had the hand injury.
Speaker 3: So I forgave him for some of that stuff last year,
Speaker 3: and I will, you know, I'll give him the at
Speaker 3: least the contextual benefit of the doubt. He had so
Speaker 3: many targets last year. The drop rate was you know,
Speaker 3: was lower than you would think from the overall drop number.
Speaker 3: But I did see some pretty bad drops on film.
Speaker 3: But overall I really five drops last year, which you know,
Speaker 3: it's the same as neighbor said, the same as Brian
Speaker 3: Thomas had a different stuff like so not crazy crazy,
Speaker 3: but again saw some bad drops in college.
Speaker 2: But I love the ability to separate. I love his
Speaker 2: ability to stress.
Speaker 3: The defense a guy the defense heed to a come
Speaker 3: for every single play, which helps out the spacing for
Speaker 3: his teammates.
Speaker 1: I love Xavier Worthies game man, and much like Trey Franklin,
Speaker 1: I think that people are sleeping on just how much
Speaker 1: of a technician he is, and I think he's a
Speaker 1: fantastic route runner. He can win at all three levels. Again,
Speaker 1: textbook reps on stacking corners deep, you do see some
Speaker 1: of the tracking and drops and stuff like you talked about.
Speaker 1: But again, I know you kind of prefaced this too,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna push back even harder on it again.
Speaker 1: The year twenty twenty two when he had the hand issue,
Speaker 1: ten point six percent drop rate, Okay, that's concerning. But
Speaker 1: when you marry it and sandwich in between two seasons
Speaker 1: where he did not have a hand issue and his
Speaker 1: drop rate was six point three and four point six,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the drops. I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: like a lot of those when you go back to
Speaker 1: the film, A lot of those were concentration drops, Unlike
Speaker 1: when we're talking about Franklin, it's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of the ball tracking stuff and technique. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it was concentration drops over the entirety of
Speaker 1: his career. That the drop rates not concerning the overall
Speaker 1: number for me, and the other thing we have to
Speaker 1: give Xavier Worthy credit for and praise is that not
Speaker 1: only did he have an eighty ninth percentile and you
Speaker 1: talked about him getting fed at Texas, an eighty ninth
Speaker 1: percentile collegiate target chair, ninety seventh percentile collegiate breakout age
Speaker 1: his year at twenty and twenty twenty one at Texas.
Speaker 1: This kid was eighth in YACK per reception, in top
Speaker 1: top fifty in both yards per out run and PFF
Speaker 1: receiving grade. So I love his game. I think that
Speaker 1: not only the quarterback.
Speaker 3: With the long they couldn't stop throwing to him because
Speaker 3: it's like, every time after the snap the guy's open,
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, always mean, it's just automatic for the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Quinn Yours, you almost wanted to say, you know you
Speaker 3: have with Donne Mitshaw on this.
Speaker 2: Team as well. You know, you know you have just
Speaker 2: Daman Sanders.
Speaker 1: He would just keep throwing it Worthy, he would, But
Speaker 1: you know what, that's that's what really talented guys do
Speaker 1: thor they demand the targets, baby. And that's where I
Speaker 1: push back about with Worthy. If anybody looks at him
Speaker 1: as just a field stretcher, I think he's much much
Speaker 1: more than that. Now, my comp for him is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest field stretchers we've ever seen is DeShawn Jackson.
Speaker 1: But if you want to really talk about exavi it Worthy,
Speaker 1: it's hard to find a perfect comp for him, just
Speaker 1: because of his size and the fact that he is
Speaker 1: such a good route runner at that size, it's not
Speaker 1: so easy to find guys that can run that fast
Speaker 1: and are as good a route runners as Xavier worthy Man.
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver five. And oh, I hope you have
Speaker 1: better things to say about this player than I do.
Speaker 1: But Ady Mitchell is at wide receiver five per consensus.
Speaker 1: He is my wide receiver fifteen. So I'm really hoping
Speaker 1: that you have a better case than me that matches
Speaker 1: the hype on a receiver that is the fifth ranked
Speaker 1: guy per consensus. Right now, the word where do you stand?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Lower for me as well.
Speaker 3: I have Ady Mitchell at number eleven. I get a
Speaker 3: little bit confused about some of the narrative about Ady
Speaker 3: Mitchell that you see out there and some of the
Speaker 3: different lofty comps that you see toss out for Ady Mitchell.
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb was one of them that I saw.
Speaker 2: I do not agree with that.
Speaker 3: The way that I see Ady Mitchell is in the NFL,
Speaker 3: it's the prototypical number two boundary guy that tests the
Speaker 3: defense deep.
Speaker 2: It's the thing that you like about his.
Speaker 3: Profile is the fourth three to four ridiculous speed at
Speaker 3: six two and a quarter two hundred five pounds had
Speaker 3: a nine to nine to eight RAS. But as far
Speaker 3: as the on field profile where I think I disagree
Speaker 3: with the people that bang the drum for Adi Mitchell.
Speaker 3: You didn't see him win at all three levels consistently
Speaker 3: in college or really at all. You saw some of
Speaker 3: the downfield stuff and in the games where Adie Mitchell
Speaker 3: popped off because it was really hot and cold with
Speaker 3: Ady Mitchell, but it was the ability he would put
Speaker 3: three four dingers on the board, he would hit, you know,
Speaker 3: multiple home runs in a game. That's where the stats
Speaker 3: would pile up. But the consistency just wasn't there quite
Speaker 3: as much. And I think what that goes back to.
Speaker 3: So he runs the four to three four but at
Speaker 3: the same ten yard split as Jalen Pulk and Jalen Cocher.
Speaker 3: Those two guys ran up four to five twos and
Speaker 3: four five sevens respectively.
Speaker 2: So with Mitchell you have the build up speed.
Speaker 3: Number one, the acceleration isn't tremendous, and then number two,
Speaker 3: the change of direction isn't tremendous. Either he telegraphs it
Speaker 3: and then he labors in and out of the brakes.
Speaker 3: There the thing that you love about the analytical profile,
Speaker 3: it's that springiness and the ability. Then where when he
Speaker 3: builds up, he starts chewing up grass real quick. Right,
Speaker 3: That's where you need to corral him there. You need
Speaker 3: a guy that can stay with them. You have to
Speaker 3: respect that there has to be a safety on his
Speaker 3: side of the field in case that that's what he's
Speaker 3: gonna do. But for me, he, like I said, wide
Speaker 3: receiver two in the NFL deep guy. I compare him
Speaker 3: to DJ Shark.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a wide receiver three or four.
Speaker 1: I think if he goes in the first round, some
Speaker 1: team is gonna hate the fact in about three or
Speaker 1: four years that they have made that pick and the
Speaker 1: wide receivers that they they picked, picking him over some
Speaker 1: of the other guys in this class. I do not
Speaker 1: have a first round grade. I do not have a
Speaker 1: second round grade on Adie Mitchell. And I understand the testing.
Speaker 1: I get that there's been a laundry list of guys
Speaker 1: going back ten, fifteen, twenty years that could run four threes,
Speaker 1: that could test out the freaking Jim. He's just the
Speaker 1: newest version of Marquez Valdez scantling. To me, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I see.
Speaker 2: For like I thought my compots derisive.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had twenty five percent of his targets
Speaker 1: last year. We're deep targets and we can talk about
Speaker 1: the fact of Okay, yeah, the the fifteen point six
Speaker 1: a dot. Can we also talk about okay? We I
Speaker 1: mean again, I know I'm sitting here lighting comps and
Speaker 1: people's hopes on fire. Does he have the drop issues
Speaker 1: of MBS? No? Is he also not a refined route
Speaker 1: runner and he's just trying to beat everybody with speed,
Speaker 1: just like NBS. Yes, this is a player that we
Speaker 1: cannot run away from. If you are not a high
Speaker 1: end target runner in college and you don't have a
Speaker 1: beautiful analytical profile, the chances of it panning out and
Speaker 1: you getting even better in the NFL are very slim thor.
Speaker 1: This is a player that had never garnered over an
Speaker 1: eighteen point one percent target chare in college. He never
Speaker 1: surpassed one point seventy to two yards per route run
Speaker 1: in any collegiate season. He never even if you want
Speaker 1: to go for the the box score stats thor never
Speaker 1: posted a thousand yards receiving. Ever, you keep matching and
Speaker 1: keep putting all these things on top of his profile
Speaker 1: and saying, okay, but the testing, this, but this, all
Speaker 1: of the dings on his analytical profile are sizeable, And
Speaker 1: then when you turn on the film, it's not like
Speaker 1: we can just explain it all the way and say, well,
Speaker 1: it was bad quarterback play. I am not a fan
Speaker 1: of Quinn yours at all, but am I going to
Speaker 1: put all that when considering Exavier Worthy had no problem
Speaker 1: producing over the last three years alongside Mitchell, and people
Speaker 1: want to give him a pass and say we have it.
Speaker 1: Worthy was right next to him. I don't hear anybody
Speaker 1: saying that about elite neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. Neighbors
Speaker 1: is the other side of him. Blah blah, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It's funny people pick and choose these lovely little narratives
Speaker 1: to talk themselves into loving a guy that it's like,
Speaker 1: what are you really trying to accomplish here? What are
Speaker 1: you really sticking to that says to you that, yes,
Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell is going to be amazing in the NFL,
Speaker 1: So he's my wide receiver fifteen. I do not get
Speaker 1: the love fest for him. But over to another guy
Speaker 1: that tested insanely at the combine Thward the wide receiver
Speaker 1: four per consensus right now is Brian Thomas Junior. Where
Speaker 1: is he in your ranks?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: This one, I'm I'm I'm right there with consensus. I
Speaker 3: have them fourth in mind. You know I mentioned before
Speaker 3: that I toggled between him and mconkie there there.
Speaker 2: To me, they're in a tier of their own.
Speaker 3: So it's like you have the top three dudes and
Speaker 3: then break and then uh these next two guys Thomas
Speaker 3: and and mconkie. But like I mentioned before, very different
Speaker 3: kinds of players. Brian Thomas similarly, though to the last
Speaker 3: guy we talked about, Adie Mitchell is an absolute freak
Speaker 3: six foot three, two hundred and nine pounds at the
Speaker 3: combine nine eight six ras with the.
Speaker 2: Ludacrous four to three to three speed.
Speaker 3: And that's what you saw last year during his breakout
Speaker 3: at LSU almost a little bit. It's my one sort
Speaker 3: of nitpick about the profile is he consistently won deep
Speaker 3: and that's the way he was always deplayed by LSU.
Speaker 2: LSU and very clever offensive can be.
Speaker 1: Very limited route tree, very very I mean yeah, during
Speaker 1: the breakout he was Brian, we're gonna we're gonna move
Speaker 1: you around, because he did something from the slot as
Speaker 1: well as well.
Speaker 2: As the boundary.
Speaker 3: But it was always the deep stuff and even when
Speaker 3: it was they weren't thrown to him, he was the
Speaker 3: decoy to force the defense to respect that, and then
Speaker 3: you created this spacing. He does create this facing because
Speaker 3: you have to respect he will make the play. If
Speaker 3: you leave a guy on an island with Brian Thomas
Speaker 3: and he stacks them, it's over. If the throw is accurate,
Speaker 3: it's over. So you have to respect that deep. But
Speaker 3: on a team where you had Jayden Daniels, the scrambling
Speaker 3: Maven and different stuff like that, if he had to
Speaker 3: and then the league neighbors just zipping around, you have
Speaker 3: to keep two deep safeties back. That's where it became
Speaker 3: the problem for defenses against LSU's offense. I like that
Speaker 3: with Thomas, and for me, that's what establishes a floor
Speaker 3: of a very good wide receiver. Two pop the top
Speaker 3: guy version of this. In my opinion than Adie Mitchell,
Speaker 3: I think that there is a shot for Thomas to
Speaker 3: develop into more than that, which is why I'm sunnier
Speaker 3: on him. I saw him make more plays as well,
Speaker 3: but just because of the thing of what we were
Speaker 3: talking about last year, the breakout for Brian Thomas. He
Speaker 3: proved that he can do all the downfield stuff. You
Speaker 3: must respect him downtown, different stuff like that. He'll make
Speaker 3: the plays way downfield, but because of that usage, we
Speaker 3: didn't get to see him as much doing the intermediate stuff,
Speaker 3: the whole route running machinations. Can he alter the tempo
Speaker 3: right or is it just hurry up with like we're
Speaker 3: shooting down like a bullet down the field every single time,
Speaker 3: no matter if we're getting.
Speaker 2: The ball, we're just the decoy whatever. We don't know.
Speaker 3: So you have the floor of good NFL wide receiver
Speaker 3: two on the boundary. He will help the spacing of
Speaker 3: the rest of your offense. That's a minimum, but I
Speaker 3: think you also have the upside of could he be
Speaker 3: a wide receiver One's possible.
Speaker 2: Certainly has the athleticism and everything else like that for it.
Speaker 3: But he's going to have to prove that he could
Speaker 3: do all the other different route running that we did
Speaker 3: not see at LSU.
Speaker 2: Because of the way he was used last year. And
Speaker 2: that was his one true break all year.
Speaker 3: That part of it, you would have to make a
Speaker 3: logical leap to say for sure that is going to
Speaker 3: happen in the NFL.
Speaker 2: It might happen. We just didn't get to see it
Speaker 2: as much might happen.
Speaker 3: But you know, again, you have the solidly high floor
Speaker 3: and you have a bit more ceiling beyond that.
Speaker 2: So I have a wide receiver floor right now.
Speaker 1: And see because of that range of outcomes, and when
Speaker 1: you compare him to other wide receivers in his class,
Speaker 1: I go back to route running and things like that,
Speaker 1: he is my wide receiver nine right now. And this
Speaker 1: is not because I hate his game. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: people that, Look, his game is more limited than what
Speaker 1: people give him credit for. Like, it's not he doesn't
Speaker 1: run this extensive routtreat. If you go turn on LSU's
Speaker 1: film you can summon up just like this. Okay, Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas runs goes, he runs stop routes, and he runs
Speaker 1: fades and then versus zone he runs to space. That
Speaker 1: is literally if you don't even watch his films, that's
Speaker 1: what he does. That's all his game is and all
Speaker 1: LSU ask him to be. Now, can he be more
Speaker 1: than that at the NFL, it's possible, like you're talking
Speaker 1: about thor, but it is an absolute black box projection
Speaker 1: you were projecting by saying he is more can be
Speaker 1: more than that because we have not seen that. And
Speaker 1: for the breakout season. I want to contextualize this breakout
Speaker 1: season for everybody because I think it's being a little
Speaker 1: bit overblown because he was at LSU and he is
Speaker 1: he's sniffing the fumes of all the hype for malite
Speaker 1: neighbors and Jane Daniels. Because Brian Thomas, amongst all FBS
Speaker 1: wide receivers at least fifty targets last year, was thirty
Speaker 1: second in yards per route run good, not great. He
Speaker 1: was ninety second in PFF receiving grade. He was one
Speaker 1: hundred and second in YAC per reception. So the testing
Speaker 1: all of the loveliness of being an LSU and being
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels field stretcher was Jane Daniels is the i mean,
Speaker 1: per the numbers, the best deep ball thrower in the
Speaker 1: entire nation last year. So all of these things are
Speaker 1: being a little bit overblown for a prospect that if
Speaker 1: you tell me he goes to somewhere, and you and
Speaker 1: I have talked about this off here. He goes to Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: He's going up my ranks because Shane Stikean is not
Speaker 1: going to ask him to run a full route treat.
Speaker 1: He's gonna say, Okay, BDJ, you go out on the
Speaker 1: on the perimeter, and you be the discount version of
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf was in his rookie season. You run those
Speaker 1: three routes, you run them extremely well, You stretch the defense,
Speaker 1: and you come down with the deep bass for Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson and we're off the races. That's fine, but we
Speaker 1: cannot assume rational coaching, and we cannot put skills in
Speaker 1: this guy's bag that he does not or has not
Speaker 1: shown to this point. Is he an athletic Marvel? Sure?
Speaker 1: Does he have skills?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Can he be more than what he is right now? Possibly?
Speaker 1: The NF Sure, But all of these again are projections.
Speaker 1: He is a trade based prospect.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do have to push back slightly on one thing
Speaker 3: you are. It is correct that they were utilizing him
Speaker 3: in the way that the best suited his skill set
Speaker 3: last season, and.
Speaker 2: That was most of the deployment. Everything that you said
Speaker 2: there is correct.
Speaker 3: The one thing though, I think that we need to
Speaker 3: give him a little bit more credit for is Jaden
Speaker 3: Daniel's ability to scramble was in part because I mean,
Speaker 3: a very good scrambler, but when you have the two
Speaker 3: safeties back, you don't have as much spacing up and
Speaker 3: the defense can't spy the quarterback. Maliite Neighbors had all
Speaker 3: that spacing to work with in the intermediate range in
Speaker 3: part because the two safeties were deep and you had
Speaker 3: to respect that.
Speaker 2: On Brian Thomas's side of the field, I.
Speaker 3: Think you have to give him the credit for he
Speaker 3: can do those couple of things that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: The wide receiver, two floor popped, the top that is set.
Speaker 3: He comes into the NFL with that, but he will
Speaker 3: also help out the spacing and be a friend to
Speaker 3: the receiver on the other side, or the slot receiver
Speaker 3: or also his quarterback if the quarterback has that mobility
Speaker 3: aspect because of the spacing issues that he brings to
Speaker 3: the field, because you have to respect that deep area
Speaker 3: of his game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I like his game. I don't love
Speaker 1: his game because I acknowledge the limitations of his game
Speaker 1: just like you're talking about here. But over to the
Speaker 1: krim de la crime. We are sitting at the big
Speaker 1: boy table now, or we're gonna we're gonna break into
Speaker 1: the top three wide receivers of this class, and I
Speaker 1: will I'm just gonna straight up say this right now.
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody has these three guys ranked
Speaker 1: in whatever order you have them ranked in. I don't
Speaker 1: care if people want to fight on who he's my
Speaker 1: wide receiver one or my wide receiver two or three,
Speaker 1: or oh you're a clown because you have this guy
Speaker 1: three versus. It does not matter. We are splitting hairs
Speaker 1: here each of these three guys. We are about to
Speaker 1: talk about our future alphas in the NFL. They are
Speaker 1: going to be top ten picks in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: while we're going to discuss where they are ranked Perkinsensus,
Speaker 1: where we have them, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it doesn't freaking matter. They're all studs, dude. So let's
Speaker 1: kick this off. Wide receiver three Perkinsensus, Roma dunes A
Speaker 1: a monster four.
Speaker 3: Where you got him. I also have him wide receiver three.
Speaker 3: This is another one though, where him and the guy
Speaker 3: right above him. I switch him all the time. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I'll have a dunesay at two. Sometimes I'll have neighbors
Speaker 3: at at at two, right, Like I'll switch them sometimes.
Speaker 3: But I you know, the past couple of days preparing
Speaker 3: for this show, got a little bit deeper in on
Speaker 3: those two guys, and then it was like, now I'm
Speaker 3: gonna side with neighbors on this for reasons I'll get
Speaker 3: into in a second. As far as Donday, though, you
Speaker 3: gotta love the game. Six foot three, two twelve pounds
Speaker 3: in Indianapolis nine to nine to one raz and he
Speaker 3: proved it all. He had the speed, he had the
Speaker 3: jumps with the explosion. He also had the three cone.
Speaker 3: He was out there until late at night with the
Speaker 3: three conks. He kept knocking over that one. But you
Speaker 3: also see so athletically he has everything that you'd want
Speaker 3: at this big package. But on the field he also
Speaker 3: sort of has every tool as well, size, strength, physicality,
Speaker 3: the speed. Of course, he has the agility, uh and
Speaker 3: certainly in conjunction with the understanding of how to run routes,
Speaker 3: the understanding of leverage, switching up the tempo, everything like that,
Speaker 3: he is able to get the separation. He has the
Speaker 3: hops for downfield, he will get higher than you and
Speaker 3: He's got awesome ball skills, so he bringing everything in
Speaker 3: the hands are really really good. I also love his
Speaker 3: release package. I've talked about this on previous shows, but
Speaker 3: no receiver in this class. Where did they try to
Speaker 3: The defenses last year try to press him more than
Speaker 3: they did with Odoonza, which had more to do with
Speaker 3: a defensive strategy going against that Washington offense of first,
Speaker 3: we need to disrupt Penix's timing. How do you disrupt
Speaker 3: Penix's timing, It's by disrupting, attempting to attempting to disrupt
Speaker 3: Odoonze off the line, because Odoonza that was the guy
Speaker 3: that led the He was the straw that stirred the
Speaker 3: drink for everything that Washington did.
Speaker 2: Defenses were horrified of Roman Donze. That was the guy
Speaker 2: you had.
Speaker 3: To stop and if you could do anything, can we
Speaker 3: get a fraction of a second by trying to jar
Speaker 3: him off the line that could disrupt Penix's time.
Speaker 2: He forced him to have to go off to a
Speaker 2: second guy. Whatever.
Speaker 3: That's when you start to when Michael Penix's game starts
Speaker 3: to go down a bit, when he's got to go
Speaker 3: to the second read, the third read and push him
Speaker 3: off the spot, maybe we can get pressure there, different
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I thought that was a great compliment
Speaker 3: to Roma Dunsay. They tried to press him so much
Speaker 3: and he showed in that environment that he has this.
Speaker 2: Awesome release package.
Speaker 3: Obviously he has the explosion off the line, he has
Speaker 3: the strength, so it's hard even when you get your
Speaker 3: hands on him. But the footwork is so good, and
Speaker 3: you know, it's like a dealer where it's a different
Speaker 3: card every single time he's putting it down. He has
Speaker 3: a different one for you each time, so it's like
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to guess. And even if
Speaker 3: he could guess, he's more athletic than you. He's bigger
Speaker 3: than you, he's stronger than you, So he had all
Speaker 3: that different stuff. He's a complete receiver with a very
Speaker 3: good understanding of how to play the game. Very productive
Speaker 3: at the last level. My only slight nitpick on Odoonsa,
Speaker 3: and I almost hesitate to even say this because I don't,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not the biggest, biggest concern for me,
Speaker 3: but his game is in part leaning towards the contested catches,
Speaker 3: which last year he was fabulous that he does get
Speaker 3: the separation, so that's why you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I hesitate to even bring it up. But last year
Speaker 3: he went twenty for twenty seven.
Speaker 2: In contested situations. That is ludicrous, that's absurd.
Speaker 3: And you like his ability in those contested situations whatnot.
Speaker 3: But at the NFL level, we'll have to see about
Speaker 3: that because that needs to carry over and sometimes there's
Speaker 3: guys that are very good in the contested situations where
Speaker 3: it remains that way in the NFL. T Higgins, a
Speaker 3: guy we talked about before, would be a great example
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 2: Odoonsay, it's gonna have.
Speaker 3: To also carry over because there are times where he
Speaker 3: has people in his kitchen at the catch point, but
Speaker 3: the hands are very very good, so get if you
Speaker 3: get it there to him. He's bringing it down only
Speaker 3: a three point two percent drop rate last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to the contest to catch stuff, I'm going
Speaker 1: to put that more on Michael Pennocks in the sense
Speaker 1: of when we talked about Michael Pennock's games that people
Speaker 1: go turn on the QB episode right now it's he's
Speaker 1: a CEO throw a guy. Yes, So you're not getting
Speaker 1: these anticipatory throws to where Rome is running wide open.
Speaker 1: He's already beat the corner.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing when Drake London came out
Speaker 1: and people were talking about all the contestants catch stuff,
Speaker 1: and it was like, dude, do you not watch Keaton Slovas?
Speaker 1: Have you not watched Michael Pennocks? Like these contested opportunities
Speaker 1: are happening because of the quarterback play and they're not
Speaker 1: a result of his ability to separate. He is a
Speaker 1: freaking stud. He's a three level threat. This dude is
Speaker 1: freaking awesome. Like literally, it's hard to find anything in
Speaker 1: his game that he doesn't do well. Oh you wanted
Speaker 1: to break tackles and create yak Oh guess what? Rome
Speaker 1: last year was tied for twenty fifth with Malachi Corley
Speaker 1: in miss tackles forced. Oh you want to see him.
Speaker 1: You want to watch him go down the field. Oh
Speaker 1: guess But his ball tracking is elite. He's got reps
Speaker 1: for days. You want to see him make contested catches
Speaker 1: in tight windows and still houlding under the ball. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell everybody go turn on the film Versus Cow
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. There is an underthrown ball deep
Speaker 1: down the middle of the field where he splits two
Speaker 1: freaking defenders and he goes back towards the ball and
Speaker 1: has to adjust to it in the air. Immediately he
Speaker 1: comes down, he gets crushed by these incoming defenders and
Speaker 1: he holds onto the damn ball. He makes special plays
Speaker 1: look easy, and it's crazy because he has so many
Speaker 1: special plays littering his film. Twere you'res just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not that hard until you break it down and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, actually, most people are not making that play.
Speaker 1: So when we say just the fact that he made
Speaker 1: that play, it is insane. I love Rome and my
Speaker 1: com for him, which people could say is insane because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna comp him to a Hall of Famer again.
Speaker 1: He's going to enter the NFL as a true alpha.
Speaker 1: He is a wide receiver one from the word go.
Speaker 1: My comp for him is Terrell Owens. What's yours, thore.
Speaker 2: Mine, mine's Julio Jones? You have you have.
Speaker 3: Similar frames, you have similar athletic profiles there and guys
Speaker 3: that won every level of the field. You know, the
Speaker 3: different got off the line every single time, got the ball.
Speaker 3: Skills go down town on you. But if you're sitting
Speaker 3: back on your heels because you're getting ready for the heat. Fine,
Speaker 3: I'll slam the brakes on. I'm coming back. He can
Speaker 3: do whatever. Roma Dunsa is gonna be just fine. And
Speaker 3: by the way, de bro to the point I was
Speaker 3: making before about the snaps last year against press coverage,
Speaker 3: Roma Dunesday two hundred and eighty one times the next
Speaker 3: highest guy that I have in this class two hundred
Speaker 3: and five. You know a lot of guys in this class,
Speaker 3: you're talking the lower hundreds, one hundred and fifty maybe,
Speaker 3: oh donsay.
Speaker 2: He has all the experience.
Speaker 3: And again, no one got Roma Dunze off the line,
Speaker 3: so you you know he's bringing that to the NFL.
Speaker 3: You ain't getting him off the line, and then good
Speaker 3: luck trying to stay with him.
Speaker 2: And then even if you can at the you know.
Speaker 3: You get in a contested situation, he converts danger all
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's just fantastic man. That's what the top
Speaker 1: end of this class is. Just sick man. And on
Speaker 1: into the wide receiver two per consensus, my wide receiver
Speaker 1: one of this class. Milite neighbors at LSU. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna gush a by this good dude. But
Speaker 1: I mean, like last year, four third and yards per
Speaker 1: route run first in PFF receiving grade, fourth in miss
Speaker 1: tackles force. I'll just I'm gonna tie a bow on
Speaker 1: this right now and let you just go go. Ham.
Speaker 1: My com for him is Jamar Chase two point zero.
Speaker 1: I love neighbors. I love it part of his game.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't want to, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: want to do the Jersey comps.
Speaker 1: But and it's not the Jersey man. Yeah, it's not very.
Speaker 3: Very similar frames, very very similar, athletic profiles, different stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And obviously studs. You know, he came out
Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago with neighbors. You know,
Speaker 3: like I said, I toggled him up to to two.
Speaker 3: But you know it's every day. But you know between
Speaker 3: those guys for me, stupid movement, stupid stupid, stupid, stupid movement,
Speaker 3: like you just don't don't see you. It's like that
Speaker 3: this stop startability is it's insane. Like we talk about
Speaker 3: the acceleration. You hear a lot about that when people
Speaker 3: talk about neighbors. It's both off the line.
Speaker 2: And then it's also coming out of the route breaks.
Speaker 3: It's you go zero to sixty immediately but I think
Speaker 3: just as impressive is the ability to stop on the dime.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop on it.
Speaker 3: We can be going a thousand miles an hour, but
Speaker 3: I can slam the brakes on and then go any
Speaker 3: direction that I want, and you can't.
Speaker 2: So I'm getting open every single time that I want to.
Speaker 3: He accelerates while he's changing directions, which is another one.
Speaker 1: The way that he moves.
Speaker 3: Like that, he's this weird mover too. It's this freaky movement,
Speaker 3: but it's also in this this weird packaging where he
Speaker 3: keeps the arms down so like his in his upper
Speaker 3: body doesn't move a lot while he's moving, so it's
Speaker 3: hard to get He doesn't tell it when he's gonna
Speaker 3: break it off, when he's gonna hit the brakes, different
Speaker 3: stuff like that. It's also difficult to gauge how fast
Speaker 3: he's moving.
Speaker 2: And this is one of the only nippicks I.
Speaker 3: Have of him, is he always has the arms down,
Speaker 3: you know, like coming off the line, different stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he can get jarred by that, both coming off
Speaker 3: the line and then also along the route because just
Speaker 3: because of the way that sort of his upper body is.
Speaker 3: But it's super unorthodox right, like we usually talk about unorthodox,
Speaker 3: like talking about like UFC fighters, like a guy where
Speaker 3: it's like the things that his opponent is seeing and
Speaker 3: trying to sort of.
Speaker 2: Solve that puzzle. You don't see guys like that.
Speaker 3: So it's like in the moment, we'll figure we'll throw
Speaker 3: him into the fire against this guy and just see right,
Speaker 3: because he's never seen a dude like this in front
Speaker 3: of him. The movement, different stuff like that, and just
Speaker 3: the patterns of movement, different.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: That's what Malik Neighbors is going to represent two defensive
Speaker 3: backs at the next level. In college, it went without
Speaker 3: saying he destroyed everybody. Not only was he getting open
Speaker 3: every time. But this is where you know, over the
Speaker 3: last twenty four hours, I made the switch again of
Speaker 3: him up when he gets the ball in his hands.
Speaker 3: He's a tackle breaking berserker too. Now this goes back,
Speaker 3: you know, it's to the thing both of the movement,
Speaker 3: different stuff. It's so difficult for people to gauge he
Speaker 3: forces so many arm tackles because how are you gonna
Speaker 3: size this guy up?
Speaker 2: Like in your brain you have the problem first.
Speaker 3: Of all just matching athleticism with him, but then your
Speaker 3: brain trying to gauge yet of the stabs of different
Speaker 3: stuff like that, he's gonna start erasing the angles.
Speaker 2: But then also if you get in close with him,
Speaker 2: he can switch that angle on you really quick. And
Speaker 2: he's moving. It's not the he's you know, not naturally
Speaker 2: super duper.
Speaker 3: Powerful, but when he gets moving, it's always at that
Speaker 3: top speed. So it's like the what is it the
Speaker 3: Einstein equation where it's the speed and the force is
Speaker 3: going into the power. So he's gonna run through any
Speaker 3: arm tackle attempt when he's at those speeds, like a
Speaker 3: turnstile of defensive backs. You can do so much, so
Speaker 3: many different things with him. He can win deep, he
Speaker 3: can win short, win intermediate, the yax stuff. One of
Speaker 3: those guys you hit him on the hands and lead
Speaker 3: him into space and watch him work. A big, big
Speaker 3: fan of Milak neighbors my wide receiver two in this class.
Speaker 1: I love his game so much. Man, I think he
Speaker 1: can go toe to toe with Marvin Harrison Junior for
Speaker 1: the title of the best route runner in this class.
Speaker 1: And you see so many high end reps, whether it's
Speaker 1: he's dropping his head to sell a vertical push, he's
Speaker 1: varying tempo in his routes. He's got the raw power
Speaker 1: to sit her in hand fight with guys at the
Speaker 1: catch point, and he could snap off double moves in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I there's literally nothing out of his game that I'm
Speaker 1: like nitpicking and I'm like, okay, well maybe he could
Speaker 1: do this, maybe he could do that. I mean it's
Speaker 1: when Chase came out. I was like, a guy of
Speaker 1: this frame should not be as strong as he is
Speaker 1: pound for pound, but then he can do everything else,
Speaker 1: like he could run past you, he can snap off
Speaker 1: and win underneath. I just love him. Elite neighbors.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be such a force in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: that leads us to our wide receiver one perkinsensus, Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior, who has had this title. I mean as
Speaker 1: the wide receiver one of this class for I mean,
Speaker 1: good lord, what the last two years thor? I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, so again, just lead this off, man. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I love his game as well. There are a few
Speaker 1: little small nitpicks I will have about this and why
Speaker 1: you know, again parsing through these guys, splitting hairs, why
Speaker 1: I have him as my wide receiver two? Of this
Speaker 1: class and not my wide receiver one, although I will
Speaker 1: lay some praise here immediately and tell you that my
Speaker 1: com for him is aj Green. But what do you
Speaker 1: see out of Marvin Harrison Junior's game?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, he's a prodigy, you know, and you don't
Speaker 3: want to, you know, heap.
Speaker 2: Too much on him coming into the NFL.
Speaker 3: But he's a guy who's the son of an NFL legend,
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Senior. Obviously, Marvin Harrison became one of the
Speaker 3: best receivers in NFL history at one hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: nine pounds because Marvin Harrison was such a tactician, paid
Speaker 3: attention to everything and got really good at everything. There
Speaker 3: was no waste of movement, the route running tempo, He's
Speaker 3: just throttling up and down.
Speaker 2: It was like a jet ski out there.
Speaker 3: Right, It's like, oh, you know, and it's so difficult
Speaker 3: for the defensive backs whatever efficiency, efficiency of movement because
Speaker 3: he had to right, he wasn't even one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty pounds. Then his son comes out and got all
Speaker 3: the physical gifts that Marvin Senior did not. Marvin Harrison
Speaker 3: Junior six foot three and a quarter two hundred nine
Speaker 3: pounds and he has the athleticism, he's got the speed
Speaker 3: to get downtown.
Speaker 2: He can break the routes off.
Speaker 3: But he has all the route running machinations that Pops
Speaker 3: taught him from coming out of the womb. So you
Speaker 3: have all that different stuff, throttling up of the tempo,
Speaker 3: different stuff like that.
Speaker 2: No wasted movement from him.
Speaker 3: The release package coming off the line last year a
Speaker 3: little bit down for the year before, just in terms
Speaker 3: of the per pass. But the thing I need to
Speaker 3: tell people out there that yearsbur rout run was actually
Speaker 3: a little bit better, but some of the other metrics were.
Speaker 2: Just came down just a little bit.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind the year before he was playing with
Speaker 3: one of the better pocket passing quarterbacks in turns of
Speaker 3: placement that we'd had come out past three four years
Speaker 3: in CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud.
Speaker 3: Last year, the quarterback play at Ohio State was not good.
Speaker 3: Kyle McCord. After this season, Ohio State told him to
Speaker 3: get lost and he had to transfer down to Syracuse.
Speaker 3: Kyle McCord would would pound a lot of targets and
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior that were not advantageous, not well placed balls,
Speaker 3: different stuff like that. Marvin Harrison junior still had a
Speaker 3: great season obviously because of all the physical gifts everything
Speaker 3: like that. He's not going to miss at the NFL
Speaker 3: level prototypical ex boundary wide receiver wide receiver one immediately
Speaker 3: when he goes in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, My only nippick about his game is that
Speaker 1: I don't he was not a huge yak threat and
Speaker 1: he's not in college fourteen miss tackles for his five
Speaker 1: point one yards of the catch per reception. But really
Speaker 1: that's the only knock that I can have on his game.
Speaker 1: And he is a freaking stud. He's a future Alpha.
Speaker 1: He is the wide receiver one per consensus, and for
Speaker 1: very very good reason. Now, so if you're keeping up
Speaker 1: with this top ten that Thor and I have laid out, again,
Speaker 1: there are some guys inside of our top ten that
Speaker 1: did not make this list in this show. Guess what.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be back next week to run through the
Speaker 1: wide receiver eleven two, wide receiver twenty in this class,
Speaker 1: as well as going through some of the sleepers in
Speaker 1: this class at the wide receiver position. So stay tuned
Speaker 1: for that. Thorny will be back. We'll discuss the other
Speaker 1: guys inside of our top ten that we did not
Speaker 1: get to today. So the closer we get to the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, Baby again, we're gonna keep beeding you content
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