Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast, presented by the Chargers
Speaker 2: Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I am the
Speaker 2: host as always, and joining me is my guy Tyler.
Speaker 1: Tyler, what something? How are you doing today?
Speaker 3: Doing well? Staying hydrated?
Speaker 2: Yes, staying hydrated for sure. Welcome back, mister Denzel Perryman.
Speaker 2: Should be a lot of fun to see the reunion.
Speaker 2: The prank call video sat Derwlin he was gonna take
Speaker 2: number three was a nice touch today. So I got
Speaker 2: a lot to talk about today. Of course, it is
Speaker 2: that time of the month. We are going to be
Speaker 2: joined to by mister Trevor Sikima to dive into everything
Speaker 2: draft related from the Keenan Allen trade as well as
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings trade that happened last weekend, and some
Speaker 2: of the other free agency tidbits that the Chargers have
Speaker 2: been able to do, how the draft formsifications stack up,
Speaker 2: from signing Bradley Boseman and and things like that.
Speaker 1: So should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: After that interview, we'll jump back on here and we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk some Keenan Allen legacy. So we wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure we honored him in the way that he deserves.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have some great conversations with Trevor. Then
Speaker 2: we'll have some good conversation about keenan A on the
Speaker 2: other side before we get started. As always, Tyler and
Speaker 2: I are fans of the team just like you guys are.
Speaker 2: The opinions that we share on this channel every single
Speaker 2: week are just that there our opinions that we're very
Speaker 2: grateful to have this platform with the Chargers and excited
Speaker 2: to dive in today's show.
Speaker 1: That being said, here is mister Trevor Sikima.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, very happy now to be joined by
Speaker 2: mister Trevor Sikima. You've heard him on the show several
Speaker 2: times at this point, hopefully you have converted to be
Speaker 2: a Stock Exchange member, faithful listener of the pod. We
Speaker 2: appreciate Trevor for coming on and again, as as always, Trevor,
Speaker 2: what's up and how you doing tonight?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great, guys. I gotta say like sometimes, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll go through and do you know reoccurring podcasts with
Speaker 4: teams and there's not a lot of talk about you know,
Speaker 4: it's a very quiet, you know, free agency or just
Speaker 4: overall off season. Not the case with the Chargers. You
Speaker 4: all have had new GM, new head coach, big free
Speaker 4: agent moves, the teams look at different you're gonna do,
Speaker 4: what could they do with the draft? All these possibilities,
Speaker 4: and so it's great to be with you because of
Speaker 4: the conversations that we're going to have here on this show.
Speaker 4: I have naturally in my own personal life as well
Speaker 4: when I'm just talking to all my friends. So I'm
Speaker 4: excited for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if this were last year, it would have been
Speaker 2: a much much more boring conversations. The Chargers were strapped
Speaker 2: with cash, same same coaching staff, everything, and they had
Speaker 2: the twenty first pick instead of the fifth pick. So
Speaker 2: a lot more possibilities this year. So yes, we'll dive
Speaker 2: right in. You mentioned the big free agency move. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about the draft ramifications here, and I mean, just
Speaker 2: like from a reactionary you know level here, I mean,
Speaker 2: you cover the sport, you know for a living, right
Speaker 2: that as fans of the team, we were shocked, gutted
Speaker 2: by the news of the Keenan Allen trade. Yeah, for you,
Speaker 2: was that something you expected to happen? And what was
Speaker 2: just kind of your surface level reaction when you saw
Speaker 2: that news late on Thursday night last week.
Speaker 4: Look, we knew that the Chargers were going to have
Speaker 4: to make some moves, right We saw the guys at
Speaker 4: the top of the list who are big cap casualties
Speaker 4: or potential cap casualties for this year. You know, all
Speaker 4: the cap space that was wrapped up into Mike Williams
Speaker 4: and Keenan Allen and Joey bos and Khalil Mack. And
Speaker 4: I think if you asked most people, they tell you, okay,
Speaker 4: rank most likely to least likely of those four that
Speaker 4: would actually no longer be on the team. Pretty sure
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen would be like ninety percent of the time
Speaker 4: number four on that list. And that's where it was
Speaker 4: for me. I was just very, very shocked that a
Speaker 4: franchise legend, obviously is out the door. This is somebody
Speaker 4: who has been a staple identity for the Chargers, you know,
Speaker 4: throughout so many different parts of their franchise over the
Speaker 4: last ten years. He's somebody who has been a staple
Speaker 4: like within not just for Chargers fans, but like I said,
Speaker 4: he's just he's always been known with that team. If
Speaker 4: you play fantasy football, you obviously are very fond of
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen and everything that he has been for you
Speaker 4: as a heavy volume guy throughout the years while he
Speaker 4: was in the Chargers organization, and so I was just
Speaker 4: super shocked. Man I, look, it's it's a business at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, and you don't There just
Speaker 4: are not many instances where you get that true storybook
Speaker 4: wire to wire guy stays with the same team throughout
Speaker 4: his whole career. Normally there's some sort of blip in
Speaker 4: that they'll maybe go to a team late in their career,
Speaker 4: but you know they'll come back, they'll retire on the team,
Speaker 4: all that kinds of stuff. But man, I was still
Speaker 4: with all that to say, I was so shocked to
Speaker 4: see Keenan Allen no longer as a member of the Chargers.
Speaker 4: It's gonna take some getting used to seeing him in
Speaker 4: a different jersey for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was in high school when he joined the team,
Speaker 5: and I'm going on twenty nine now, so it's been
Speaker 5: a minute since he's been on the team. We had
Speaker 5: done a live stream right before or we got off.
Speaker 5: Five minutes later the news broke. We jumped back on
Speaker 5: and we were just in agony over the move. We
Speaker 5: said anything constructive or useful. We were just going through
Speaker 5: certain emotions. Go check it out if you want have fun,
Speaker 5: it's just us in agony. Do you want to see
Speaker 5: me miserable for an hour?
Speaker 3: Go watch it.
Speaker 5: So now the million dollar question, and they also of
Speaker 5: course released Mike Williams. What do the Chargers do at five?
Speaker 5: Maybe more so do they need to get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, you feel things at number five.
Speaker 4: Shoot over the last i'd say week, week and a
Speaker 4: half have gotten way more interesting, right, because it's a
Speaker 4: very good wide receiver class, especially at the very top.
Speaker 4: You know, I've been on here on this show and
Speaker 4: we've talked about Marvin Harrison Junior, We've talked about Molie Neighbors, Romadounza.
Speaker 4: How I think you can PLoP them and basically most
Speaker 4: teams in the NFL, and if they're not the wide
Speaker 4: receiver one, they're a high end wide receiver two. And
Speaker 4: so that's how talented all of these guys are. I
Speaker 4: think any of them, if you put them on the
Speaker 4: Chargers deep chart a probably lead the team in targets.
Speaker 4: So with those guys in range of being picked, what
Speaker 4: do you do at number five? Because and the reason
Speaker 4: why I say it's been an interesting week is because
Speaker 4: you guys know, Minnesota trades for the number twenty three overall,
Speaker 4: pick their eye and a trade up for a quarterback.
Speaker 4: So you go, okay, well, what are the pinpoints of
Speaker 4: where we think they could trade up to. It's basically
Speaker 4: Arizona at four, because I don't think New England's going
Speaker 4: to get out of two, and I don't think that
Speaker 4: Washington's Sorry, I don't think the Washington's gonna get out
Speaker 4: of two. I don't think New England's going to get
Speaker 4: out of three. So see the Arizona Cardinals at four?
Speaker 4: Where's the Los Angeles Charges at five? That I think
Speaker 4: Minnesota is really going to be pushing to move up with.
Speaker 4: So that just becomes very very interesting because it's it's
Speaker 4: wide receiver we're talking about. Right. If they stay, it's well,
Speaker 4: they could take offensive line, but we think that it's
Speaker 4: going to be a wide receiver on the heels of
Speaker 4: the news. If you don't have Mike Williams, you don't
Speaker 4: have Keenan Allen. Now it's just Quentin Johnson and he
Speaker 4: was disappointing last year. Can you really go into next year?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: I think they think he's going to get better, But
Speaker 4: can you go into next year really saying this guy
Speaker 4: is gonna be our wide receiver one, even for somebody
Speaker 4: who I liked a lot coming out of TCU, that's
Speaker 4: a heavy ask. And so that all of a sudden
Speaker 4: becomes an incredible debate. And I think that it even
Speaker 4: gets very interesting if Minnesota doesn't trade up with them.
Speaker 4: Let's say Minnesota trades up to four. Right, so now
Speaker 4: you've got four quarterbacks. Did we think you're gonna go
Speaker 4: off the board? One, two, three, four? Guess who's gonna
Speaker 4: be sitting there on the board at five. Now you're
Speaker 4: talking about, okay, do we want to trade down or
Speaker 4: do we want Marvin freakin Harrison Junior? Which we didn't
Speaker 4: think that that was gonna be a possibility, right. Oh,
Speaker 4: he could have gone three, he could have gone four,
Speaker 4: like there was no chance he was gonna get to five.
Speaker 4: And now a reality exists where he could be the
Speaker 4: player who is on the board for them, and they
Speaker 4: might have to choose between a massive trade down if
Speaker 4: that's kind of what they're still eyeing, if they want
Speaker 4: to get more picks. But it's different when you're also
Speaker 4: talking about passing up on a player like that. So
Speaker 4: it's a fascinating ripple effect that we are seeing with
Speaker 4: the Chargers getting rid of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams
Speaker 4: now having just such a massive need at wide receiver
Speaker 4: and that being the position that is very rich at
Speaker 4: the spot that they happen to hold right now amidst
Speaker 4: a lot of trade rumors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned just kind of like what we thought
Speaker 2: would happen, and like it in my head, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at pick number five two weeks ago and saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: if quarterbacks go one through three, Marvin Harrison four, great,
Speaker 2: you can trade down for a quarterback. You know, on
Speaker 2: the outside chance the quarterbacks going through four, you could
Speaker 2: still trade down and have a team move up for
Speaker 2: a wide receiver because you have Keenan Allen. Well, now
Speaker 2: you don't have Keenan Allen. And it's just it just
Speaker 2: like changes your mindset of how you approach this. And
Speaker 2: of course we're fans your draft media. The team is
Speaker 2: still going to, I think approach this in the same way.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna want to try to get out.
Speaker 2: But Daniel Jeremiah had them trading out of five today
Speaker 2: in his mock draft, the Jets came up from Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior, who just sigded Mike Williams. I don't know
Speaker 2: that would change that much for the Jets. But what
Speaker 2: realistically would be the hall if Marvin Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 2: is there five and the charters say, hey, league, come
Speaker 2: get this generational wide receiver prospect. What do you think
Speaker 2: the charters could get in a trade down for a
Speaker 2: team coming up from Marbin Harrison junior.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One, I wonder when I say personal, I don't
Speaker 4: I don't really mean like personal in a negative way.
Speaker 4: I think that when people hear that, they automatically think, like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's personal. That means it's negative. But I wonder how
Speaker 4: personal this is for Jim Harbaugh specifically as the person
Speaker 4: who had to go up against Marvin Harrison Junior twice
Speaker 4: and Martin Harrison Junior went for over one hundred yards
Speaker 4: in a touchdown in both of the appearances that Ohio
Speaker 4: State played against Michigan. Right, Michigan wins both of those games, Sure,
Speaker 4: but like that, dude's cooking us on the outside and
Speaker 4: for one of those mission is a great corner too.
Speaker 4: Will Johnson is going to be a first round pick
Speaker 4: next year. So like he's producing against Will Johnson and
Speaker 4: and and Jim Harbaugh knows how talented he is. So
Speaker 4: it's like, I wonder if that personal touch of it
Speaker 4: makes the even harder to pass up on him if
Speaker 4: he is right there. You know the answer to your question, though,
Speaker 4: it all kind of depends where they're going. And I
Speaker 4: know that's kind of a cop out, but who would
Speaker 4: be wanting to trade up for Harrison? Right? You could
Speaker 4: move maybe one spot down with the Giants who would
Speaker 4: love to get themselves Marvin Harrison Junior, and you can
Speaker 4: maybe sell it to them as like, hey, the our
Speaker 4: phones are open, we're listening to you guys, but we're
Speaker 4: talking to other teams as well that might want to
Speaker 4: move up from him. If you really want to, you
Speaker 4: can move down one spot. So for that, I mean,
Speaker 4: you're not going to get too much in return for
Speaker 4: a move down from five to six, especially when a
Speaker 4: quarterback is not involved. But you know, I think Chicago
Speaker 4: at nine all of a sudden becomes a realistic target,
Speaker 4: right because I don't think the Chargers want to move
Speaker 4: down too far, and the Bears they have Caleb Williams
Speaker 4: and I get it. They don't have a lot of
Speaker 4: draft picks this year, but they could sell some future
Speaker 4: draft picks to say to themselves, Look, we spent in
Speaker 4: free agency last year, we spent in free agency this year.
Speaker 4: We're getting Kayla Williams the number one overall pick. Go
Speaker 4: get Marvin Harrison junior too, Like, do what it takes,
Speaker 4: and just that offense. Man, that's Keenan Allen, It's Marvin
Speaker 4: Harrison junior. It's it's it's DJ Moore, It's Cole Kmett,
Speaker 4: it's Gerald Everett, It's it's uh it's DeAndre Swift like
Speaker 4: it's Roshawn Johnson, it's Khalil Herbert. Like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: what more could you genuinely want?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Sure, like the offensive line, Yeah, maybe you could have
Speaker 4: a couple of upgrades here. But at that point, Ryan
Speaker 4: Poles gets to say, my cards are on the table.
Speaker 4: I did everything that I could do as a general manager.
Speaker 4: So either Ibra flues figures it out, or we go
Speaker 4: into next year and I can I can point to
Speaker 4: the evidence of how all in I was for this team,
Speaker 4: and we go get a head coach. They could really
Speaker 4: take us over the top. To me, I think Chicago
Speaker 4: at number nine becomes a major player in a trade
Speaker 4: up to number five. If we're not talking about a
Speaker 4: quarterback being the player that the trade down for, you know,
Speaker 4: you can talk about how you know, maybe Denver, now
Speaker 4: that they move on from Jerry Judy, would they want
Speaker 4: to do that? I guess so, you know, New Orleans
Speaker 4: maybe because they move on from from Mike Thomas, but
Speaker 4: they've still got Shaheed, They've still got chrys Olave. And
Speaker 4: you can't really get too much further down right, I mean,
Speaker 4: maybe you're at a point where the Chargers wanted to
Speaker 4: trade with Jacksonville. I guess at seventeen, who all of
Speaker 4: a sudden needs a wide receiver one? But do you
Speaker 4: really want to go from five to seventeen? I mean
Speaker 4: the price to do that to make you worth the
Speaker 4: Chargers while would be multiple first round picks, I think
Speaker 4: to get to that point. So these are just the
Speaker 4: you know, as you asked that question, and I haven't
Speaker 4: really had the time to think about it. That's kind
Speaker 4: of what comes to my head immediately of certain points
Speaker 4: and teams that might be interested to move up from
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior if they would want to do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, great calls there because obviously, obviously the Chargers and
Speaker 5: the Bears the trades together, that's a possibility for sure,
Speaker 5: and historically they've done that absolutely.
Speaker 3: And then with the Jaguars, not exactly that.
Speaker 5: You're Hertz call, but the Ravens have traded with the
Speaker 5: Jaguars five separate times since twenty eleven for picks, for players,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 3: So that is possible.
Speaker 5: The next question, and the guy that's maybe the most
Speaker 5: involved in the spot for the Chargers at five is
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy. And I want to ask this question a
Speaker 5: bit differently. Why is JJ McCarthy not a Malik Willis
Speaker 5: situation in terms.
Speaker 3: Of draft hype?
Speaker 5: Because this was a guy that was Ramlik Willis was
Speaker 5: fourteenth on the consensus board and went several several picks
Speaker 5: later in the third round.
Speaker 3: Why is this need yah see that situation?
Speaker 4: I think to twenty twenty that was the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two class, right, So I think the twenty twenty two
Speaker 4: class was tough. There wasn't really a good quarterback that
Speaker 4: I think a team could really play at their flag on.
Speaker 4: But as you guys know, and a lot of football
Speaker 4: fans out there know, teams just take a swing at
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks because they have to. Right, just because a
Speaker 4: draft class doesn't have good quarterbacks doesn't mean there aren't
Speaker 4: teams out there who don't have quarterback needs. Right, every
Speaker 4: single year, there are teams that have quarterback needs. And
Speaker 4: so draft media was obviously very wrong on these quarterbacks
Speaker 4: because we can evaluate them from a tape standpoint and
Speaker 4: maybe a potential standpoint. And I think if you ask
Speaker 4: people like with Willis, sure, I mean there's things that
Speaker 4: that are great that he brought to the table with it,
Speaker 4: but there were serious inconsistencies about his game even when
Speaker 4: he was at Liberty, Right, So in a perfect world,
Speaker 4: you probably didn't want to give him anything better than
Speaker 4: a second round grade, even for as much as you
Speaker 4: might have liked him. But we all as draft evaluators
Speaker 4: and maybe couldn't, you know, consensus board makers just think
Speaker 4: to ourselves, I mean, it's the NFL, They're going to
Speaker 4: draft one of these guys high. And so I think
Speaker 4: that that class there was a lot of fool's gold,
Speaker 4: and for a lot of people, like when I remember
Speaker 4: that class, it kind of felt were you a Desmond
Speaker 4: Ritterer guy or were you a Kenny Pickett guy, right,
Speaker 4: did you trust the tape of which guy more? Because
Speaker 4: there were it was kind of one of those was
Speaker 4: probably your QB one, and then Willis was probably QB two.
Speaker 4: Nom matter what. So, I think Willis gets elevated on
Speaker 4: those consensus board rankings because he was just that consensus
Speaker 4: like he was always up there. You know, he was
Speaker 4: always in that number two spot. So no matter if
Speaker 4: you kind of believe that Desi Ritter and you know,
Speaker 4: the height, little bit better arm, or you believe that
Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett and the incredible final year that he had
Speaker 4: at Pittsburgh and just that run that he had there
Speaker 4: in that final season, like whichever one you were on
Speaker 4: brought him to QB one. And I guess Sam Howe too, right,
Speaker 4: There's there's plenty of people who believed in Sam Howe
Speaker 4: to be a potential QB one. It just felt like
Speaker 4: Malik Willis was always that, Okay, it's this guy, and
Speaker 4: then I'll probably put Maleak And I think that's the
Speaker 4: reason why he ended up being a little bit higher
Speaker 4: on those consensus boards because there wasn't as much variance
Speaker 4: on him. People went, oh mobile quarterback, big arm. The
Speaker 4: NFL is gonna give him a chance. We're gonna draft
Speaker 4: him in the first round. But I really feel as
Speaker 4: though the NFL just didn't like that class overall, and
Speaker 4: very clearly how they drafted him. That's been how they
Speaker 4: drafted them. That has been the case, and I just
Speaker 4: don't think that there's that same sort of feeling for
Speaker 4: this class right now. I think the feeling for these
Speaker 4: guys is legit. The only one that we have now
Speaker 4: heard the teams seem to be a little bit wish
Speaker 4: you washed me on is Drake May, which I think
Speaker 4: is absolutely silly. But there is a lot of love
Speaker 4: for JJ McCarthy that I genuinely believe is real. I
Speaker 4: think the same thing for Jade and Daniels. Maybe not
Speaker 4: enough for Jayden to go to We'll see how that
Speaker 4: plays out on Draft night, but I don't think McCarthy
Speaker 4: is in that similar situation like with Will, like Will
Speaker 4: Levis as well with somebody who just forty eight hours
Speaker 4: up until Draft day last year. I remember Willis in
Speaker 4: the betting market, his odds to go number two overall
Speaker 4: spiked skyrocketed, and we went, WHOA, Okay, somebody knows something
Speaker 4: about something, and we all kind of scrambled on our
Speaker 4: final mock drafts, and we're like, okay, well, the betting
Speaker 4: markets Vegas ain't in the business to lose money, so
Speaker 4: they're doing something. They got to be doing something on purpose.
Speaker 4: So we all put Will Levis kind of in the
Speaker 4: top ten. We're like, okay, he's going top ten. He
Speaker 4: doesn't even go to the second round. So it's a
Speaker 4: great question because there always seems to be this quarterback
Speaker 4: that seems to be a little bit of fool's gold
Speaker 4: in their hype.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: You go back to twenty twenty one as well. I
Speaker 4: remember when mac Jones was supposed to go number three overall.
Speaker 4: Now he doesn't slide too far. He was at fifteen,
Speaker 4: but again, he was the pawn. It felt like Willis
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago was the pawn. That sounds insulting,
Speaker 4: but you guys know what I'm saying, the same thing
Speaker 4: Will lev Us. You know Levis last year, and so
Speaker 4: I just don't think McCarthy's the pawn. I really don't.
Speaker 4: I think that the love for him is legit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's funny because obviously we're fans
Speaker 2: of a team coach by Jim Harbaugh and like the
Speaker 2: second day he was hired, he was like JJ McCarthy
Speaker 2: should be the first quarterback taken and we were like
Speaker 2: wait what no, and now like.
Speaker 4: Oh, you don't say, you don't say.
Speaker 2: But specifically from a GM standpoint, I think everybody kind
Speaker 2: of knows that the Cardinals GM money Austin Fourth and
Speaker 2: the Chargers GM Joe Ortiz at this point are open
Speaker 2: for business. It sounds like, what are the chances really
Speaker 2: that the Cardinals would pass on Marvin Harrison Junior for
Speaker 2: a trade package? You know now that the Vikings have
Speaker 2: eleven and twenty three because you look at the Cardinals roster,
Speaker 2: they just traded away Rondelle Moore, right, Hollywood Brown is
Speaker 2: It's Kansas City chief right now. And for the longest time,
Speaker 2: it's been like blinking me on sign Marvin Harrison JUNIORR four.
Speaker 2: What would you say the chances realistically are that the
Speaker 2: Cardinals do end up passing on him for in favor
Speaker 2: of a trade down with the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4: I wish I had a better answer in terms of like, hey,
Speaker 4: this is the percentage that I'm sure that I think
Speaker 4: that it would happen. But it's tough because you look
Speaker 4: at a general manager who doesn't have much of a track,
Speaker 4: you know, it just doesn't have much of a background,
Speaker 4: I should say, a history to how he's going to
Speaker 4: operate things. The only thing that we really have to
Speaker 4: go off of is last year, and last year he
Speaker 4: wouldn't afraid of wheeling deal right. He went from he
Speaker 4: went from three to twelve to six, got an extra
Speaker 4: first round pick out of it, and was able to
Speaker 4: pick the guy at number six that he would have
Speaker 4: picked at number three. So that is why I love
Speaker 4: the Cardinals draft the other guys that they drafted. I
Speaker 4: love Michael Wilson, I love Garrett Williams. So I think
Speaker 4: that they drafted very very well. That to me, his
Speaker 4: willingness to do that makes me think that they might
Speaker 4: not be too scared to Let's say, let's say they
Speaker 4: get eleven and twenty three, because remember they already have
Speaker 4: twenty seven as well. So let's say they get eleven,
Speaker 4: they get twenty three, and then they have twenty seven.
Speaker 4: But they've also got a I can pull it up here,
Speaker 4: So they.
Speaker 1: Have like seven picks in the top sixty or something crazy.
Speaker 4: Like they have right now, they have four. They have
Speaker 4: twenty seven they have thirty five, they have sixty six,
Speaker 4: and they have seventy one. Oh and they have ninety
Speaker 4: that's all in the top one hundred picks. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: So what the Cardinals could do, and the reason I
Speaker 4: feel they might actually have the guts to trade out
Speaker 4: at number four and pass on Marvin Harrison Junior is
Speaker 4: because if they go, all right, we'll go from four
Speaker 4: to eleven, you go from four to eleven, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, if you're sitting there at eleven,
Speaker 4: all right, JJ McCarthy goes to four to the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 4: the Chargers. Let's say take Marvin Harrison Junior. Let's say
Speaker 4: the New York Giants take Malik Neighbors at six. Now,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Arizona's calling the Titans, and they go, Okay,
Speaker 4: you are a rebuilding franchise. We'll give you picks later
Speaker 4: this year in day two, and we'll give you picks
Speaker 4: in day two next year. Let us go from eleven
Speaker 4: to seven and we'll get Romo Dnsay. So now, all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, now they're sitting at seven, they have
Speaker 4: Romo Dunsay. And then they also pick twenty three and
Speaker 4: twenty seven and thirty five. So that is why it's
Speaker 4: a great question would the Cardinals genuinely pass on that
Speaker 4: type of a wide receiver? And the answer to it,
Speaker 4: I think lies in what they think of the other
Speaker 4: two wide receivers, because Austin Ford is not the kind
Speaker 4: of guy who I think it's just gonna make a
Speaker 4: trade and then go who, all right, made a trade,
Speaker 4: We're good to go. If he moves back from four
Speaker 4: to eleven to twenty three, he's gonna be on the
Speaker 4: phone immediately with all those other teams saying, okay, I
Speaker 4: got eleven now. Actually, he probably has these conversations before
Speaker 4: the draft even starts, because you know, you only got
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes on the clock, so he's probably already laid
Speaker 4: the baseline and he probably only makes the move from
Speaker 4: four to eleven if he feels like maybe he can
Speaker 4: have the confidence to get back up if they want
Speaker 4: one of these receivers. So that's again where my mind
Speaker 4: goes when you ask the question would the Cardinals pass
Speaker 4: and a guy like this? I think they have the
Speaker 4: flexibility to be able to pass a guy like that,
Speaker 4: because I think they can get back up and still
Speaker 4: be really happy with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Cardinals, I think this is a really.
Speaker 1: Smart move for you.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to clip this out for you and send
Speaker 5: it to you along with a fruit basket and a
Speaker 5: bouquet of roses or whatever. Okay, let's say the Chargers,
Speaker 5: because Jim Harbaugh Greg Gorman, they're gona run the football.
Speaker 5: Let's say they go trenches and then a corner in
Speaker 5: the second round because they need one. Who is that receiver?
Speaker 5: Who are some of their receivers round three, three, et cetera.
Speaker 5: They really fit what the Chargers want to do, which
Speaker 5: is to get faster and work the play action game.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of receivers that I think could
Speaker 4: be really nice pick somewhere like third fourth round. I
Speaker 4: think Javon Baker from UCF as somebody who I really like.
Speaker 4: Now he's like sort of similar to Josh Palmer a
Speaker 4: little bit, so it's kind of like funny like pairing
Speaker 4: him with the Chargers, But I think Baker is a
Speaker 4: really talented player who in a different draft class could
Speaker 4: be a top eight wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: I think that he is super talented and he's just
Speaker 4: gonna get pushed way outside of wide receiver ten and
Speaker 4: the top ten of receivers taken just because it is
Speaker 4: it is so talented, but I think that he is
Speaker 4: really good. Jamari Thrash is somebody else who I like
Speaker 4: from Louisville who's got a knack for winning deep. He's
Speaker 4: somebody who I think could really help in that. Like, okay,
Speaker 4: play action, you keep the defense honest. You've got to
Speaker 4: be able to pay attention at all times. Brendan Rice
Speaker 4: from USC as well. He had a lot more strength
Speaker 4: and power to his game that I was able to
Speaker 4: see firsthand when he was at the Senior Bowl. You know,
Speaker 4: some people looked at it and they're like, oh, he can't separate,
Speaker 4: And okay, he struggled to separate a little bit, but
Speaker 4: let's not take it away from him. He was also
Speaker 4: making some of the best contested catches like all week.
Speaker 4: And so now you've just got this dude who very
Speaker 4: very high iq of how to win the position. Maybe
Speaker 4: not quite the smooth athlete that his dad was, but
Speaker 4: a strong player knows how to make those contested catches.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be able to get him on the field
Speaker 4: in blocking down situations for like you said, like that
Speaker 4: play action.
Speaker 1: Role things like that.
Speaker 4: So those are a handful of guys that trying to
Speaker 4: think like Johnny Wilson from Florida State, maybe is somebody
Speaker 4: else as well, just a giant six foot seven, two
Speaker 4: hundred and forty pound wide receiver who length and measurables
Speaker 4: alone makes you a good blocker and somebody who could
Speaker 4: actually help out a lot in the play action game.
Speaker 4: But he's also somebody who I think wins very very
Speaker 4: well off the Lion scrimmage with a lot of releases
Speaker 4: in a way that you would not think for a
Speaker 4: player of his high So I wonder if just that
Speaker 4: unique ability is something that they would gravitate towards as well.
Speaker 4: But I think those are a handful of receivers that
Speaker 4: when I think like round three, that's what I think
Speaker 4: could be realistic targets for him.
Speaker 2: There you go, the one of the last things I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about today, Trevor. The Charger signed
Speaker 2: Bradley Boseman to be their presumable center for the short term.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see what happens in the long term here,
Speaker 2: but Centaer's obviously a position of need Corey Lindsley likely
Speaker 2: retiring has not been officially announced, but obviously there was
Speaker 2: like the restructure and all that that went down. So
Speaker 2: Center's gonna be a spot that a lot of people
Speaker 2: point to the Chargers on day two. I guess this
Speaker 2: is maybe a two parter here because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of hype around the top of the center class. I
Speaker 2: know in your guys's mock draft you did have Zach
Speaker 2: Frazier going pretty high along with Graham Barton and Jackson
Speaker 2: Powers Johnson, So if the Chargers were to look, you know,
Speaker 2: at one of those guys, is that's something they would
Speaker 2: have to trade up for at this point? And then
Speaker 2: if they wanted to, wait, who are maybe kind of
Speaker 2: your round three, round four guys of a choice there?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean them picking at thirty seven right now.
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's Zach's Frasier range. I mean I
Speaker 4: wouldn't sit here and say like, oh, it's unrealistic. You
Speaker 4: get Zach Frasier. Zach Fraser's a really good player. But
Speaker 4: I don't know, centers normally not rated that high anyways.
Speaker 4: I think in mock drafts, for seeing Jackson Powers Johnson
Speaker 4: mocked in the top twenty, I wonder if that cool
Speaker 4: is a little bit, you know, like he was great
Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl. I just think a lot of
Speaker 4: people love him. I wonder if that cool is a
Speaker 4: little bit and we start to see him more towards
Speaker 4: like all right, well, maybe it's more like a mid
Speaker 4: twenties kind of a pick with Jackson powers Johnson, like
Speaker 4: I think about his connection to either the Tampa Bay
Speaker 4: Buccaneers or the Dallas Cowboys or something like mid twenties ish,
Speaker 4: and does that kind of push Fraser down a little
Speaker 4: bit further into that early to mid thirties range. I
Speaker 4: think it's realistic that you could possibly get him there.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you talk about a third, fourth
Speaker 4: round kind of players, Cedric Van Prawn from Georgia is
Speaker 4: somebody who I like because he was entrusted to be
Speaker 4: the middle of that offensive line during some of Georgia
Speaker 4: his title runs and when he I think he was
Speaker 4: a red shirt freshman his first year as a starter,
Speaker 4: then he was redshirt sophomore, red shirt junior. He was
Speaker 4: able to start all three years. For him, not exactly
Speaker 4: the most fleet of foot type of a player, but
Speaker 4: again for a Jim Harbaugh type of scheme, I mean,
Speaker 4: bully people up front, man I mean, just like beat
Speaker 4: people up front, be physical. I think he's gonna love
Speaker 4: Van Prant, I really do. Obviously, the Michigan Center as well,
Speaker 4: Drake NuGen Is in his class. Think he could be
Speaker 4: an option for them. Bo Limmer from Arkansas, he's the
Speaker 4: guy who's played guard, he's played center. I think his
Speaker 4: best position is going to be center at the NFL level.
Speaker 4: But then you can go a little bit further down.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of names who have had good offseasons.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe you're talking about early Day three range
Speaker 4: Hunter Norsad from Penn State. I thought had a really
Speaker 4: great Shrine Bowl when I was able to see him there.
Speaker 4: Tannerbordalini played a lot better at the Senior Bowl than
Speaker 4: I thought. I mean, I watched him on tape and
Speaker 4: I was like, man, this guy's too light. I don't
Speaker 4: really feel like he deals with power very well. It's
Speaker 4: a different story in Mobile. He had a really nice
Speaker 4: combine week as well. So he's somebody who I think
Speaker 4: could be a nice center option somewhere on Day three.
Speaker 4: And then a lot of people like Dolan McMahon from
Speaker 4: Mensi State as well, who again like played a lot
Speaker 4: better at the Senior Bowl than I thought then I
Speaker 4: thought that he was going to So it's a decent
Speaker 4: center class, it really is. I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of different options, whether you want to go for a
Speaker 4: guy like Power Johnson or Frasier with a top forty pick,
Speaker 4: or you can wait a little bit, and I think
Speaker 4: that you could still find a potential starter at center
Speaker 4: when you get into round three and round four.
Speaker 5: Flipping to the other side now, I've been talking to
Speaker 5: Cody Alexander about the Chargers scheme and Jesse Minter and
Speaker 5: what they'll need on defense. They obviously kept the edge
Speaker 5: rushers opportunity of Joey Buzza, love Khalil Mack, but they
Speaker 5: need a defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: They need a space eater.
Speaker 5: Who are those guys outside of Devandre Sweat that are
Speaker 5: like three hundred plus pounds total space eaters?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's tore Sweat. Who's the next Sweat?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, no no. But I know I think that that's
Speaker 4: that's a good question because and it's a great question
Speaker 4: to have if you're the Chargers, because I think they're
Speaker 4: they're they're not alone, and that they love one of
Speaker 4: those base eater type of players. Problem is not a
Speaker 4: lot of space eaters in this class, right, Like I'm
Speaker 4: looking at just the big board right now. You got
Speaker 4: Byron Murphy, you got jeers On Newton, who I think
Speaker 4: of the first round of tier defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Those guys are very versatile. They could play anything from
Speaker 4: a shade nose to a four eye technique. You're comfortable
Speaker 4: with him winning in a lot of ways. I mean
Speaker 4: there's even reps for jeers On Newton where he's playing
Speaker 4: five technique defensive end and that's just the kind of
Speaker 4: versatility that he has. So I think all those guys
Speaker 4: can play any spot. But then you get to Okay,
Speaker 4: Braden Fisk really nice one gap penetrating player, but short arms,
Speaker 4: not somebody that you're gonna want to two gap in
Speaker 4: an odd front. Ruka Roro Row. You like his versatility,
Speaker 4: but again, does he have that size and power? The
Speaker 4: same exact thing goes to Brandon Dorrilys as well. Dorless
Speaker 4: is a nice option for them, But like when I
Speaker 4: think of dor Liss, I like his versatility, but I
Speaker 4: don't like him if you're just saying, hey, plug this gap,
Speaker 4: like that's what we want you to do. Like I
Speaker 4: think he brings you a little bit more than that.
Speaker 4: He's not as big of a player as you would want.
Speaker 4: I think he's you know, round two eighty five something
Speaker 4: like that, and so I think that that's not a
Speaker 4: weight that you would want there. Chris Jenkins Junior from Michigan.
Speaker 4: I don't mean to bring up another Michigan player, but
Speaker 4: like Harbass saw what he was kind of holding the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, and I think he actually gives you
Speaker 4: that power profile to be somebody who could eat up
Speaker 4: some blocks. But then it's like, you know, Michael Hall
Speaker 4: Junior from Ohio State, more of a three tech a
Speaker 4: pass rusher. Dwayne Carter from Duke, same thing, Leonard Taylor
Speaker 4: the third from Miami, same thing. McKinley Jackson. He's got
Speaker 4: the size and he's played a little bit of nose,
Speaker 4: but he was more of that, Hey, we're gonna line
Speaker 4: you up at nose and you're just gonna beat the
Speaker 4: center with quickness, not necessarily, We're gonna line you up
Speaker 4: in nose. Do the whole to and Andre sweat Jordan
Speaker 4: Davis thing where you fork lift the guy and you're
Speaker 4: peeking in the backfield and you throw it into the
Speaker 4: side like that's just not his role in that you
Speaker 4: get a little bit further down, maybe like a Tyler
Speaker 4: Tyler Davis from Clemson could fit that mold, Justin Rodgers
Speaker 4: from Auburn, you know, Keith Randolph from Illinois. But now
Speaker 4: we're talking about day three guys. So it's just a
Speaker 4: this is this is ultimately why I tend to put
Speaker 4: Devandre Sweat a little bit higher in mock drafts than
Speaker 4: I feel like he should be drafted. I tend to
Speaker 4: put him like early mid second round, just because he
Speaker 4: not only is he a uniquely sized individual, he's pretty
Speaker 4: unique in this class. There's just a lot of pass
Speaker 4: rush defensive tackles. There's not a lot of those guys
Speaker 4: who are going to take on two blocks on the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. So if you want one, you might
Speaker 4: have to pay a premium and draft them a little
Speaker 4: bit earlier than maybe you'd want. So it is a
Speaker 4: great question. Unfortunately, I just don't think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of answers in this class before you get to somewhere
Speaker 4: on Day three, and then at that point you're kind
Speaker 4: of taking a flyer on him.
Speaker 1: Anyways, all right, there we go some great information. Tyler
Speaker 1: did you have any last questions here? I should ask
Speaker 1: that first.
Speaker 3: I guess, Oh that was it. I got to finish
Speaker 3: off to do love to see it travel.
Speaker 1: This has been great man listeners here.
Speaker 2: If you are not following Trevor listening to this podcast,
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Speaker 1: So Charvor, thanks so much for joining us. Man. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll be in touch soon.
Speaker 4: All right, appreciate you guys anytime.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll take a quick break and that
Speaker 2: we'll be right back here. All right, Tyler, any final
Speaker 2: thoughts there about our interview. It is a great discussion today,
Speaker 2: lots of trade talk obviously, but any final thoughts there.
Speaker 5: Please, Cardinals house on Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And Chargers don't do that. Take Marvin Harrison Junior. That's
Speaker 2: that's that's the dreamer now, there you go easy, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. Man, it's a it's gonna be very interesting.
Speaker 2: We're coming up on a little over a month away
Speaker 2: from the draft, which is crazy to me, wrapping up
Speaker 2: free and seeing things like that. So it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a ton of fun. We'll have you guys covered a
Speaker 2: lot more draft conversations here on this channel as well
Speaker 2: as our own channel over the next few weeks. That
Speaker 2: being said, we wanted to essentially put a bow on
Speaker 2: the Keenan Allen conversation. And I know that there are
Speaker 2: some people who have already moved on and more power
Speaker 2: to you, but in our own way, we wanted to
Speaker 2: express our gratitude for Keenan Allen and the efforts that
Speaker 2: he has given the Chargers over the last decade. It's
Speaker 2: been a long time and been some great memories. So
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about some more of the positive memories.
Speaker 2: The lasting legacy of Keenan Allen in the Chargers' uniforms.
Speaker 2: I couldn't say powder blues because they were primarily Navy
Speaker 2: for a little bit there, but Keenan Allen obviously leaving
Speaker 2: a lasting legacy with the Chargers here. Can't thank him
Speaker 2: enough for the lasting memories. And I know, Tyler, you've
Speaker 2: talked a bit about what he means to your fandom.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've necessarily shared my own
Speaker 2: store with Keenan Allen because I was on an LDS
Speaker 2: church mission in Mexico during his rookie season and his
Speaker 2: sophomore season, and so I didn't get to watch those seasons.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to watch the great Denver game where
Speaker 2: he hurtles over and scores a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And I need to just get these emails from my dad.
Speaker 2: Hey, you got to see this Keenan Allen guy when
Speaker 2: you come back from your mission, like you know. And
Speaker 2: so I come home and the Chargers were not very good.
Speaker 2: There was all the moving stuff, and so like I
Speaker 2: just latched on to Keenan and like what he meant
Speaker 2: to the team alongside with Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates
Speaker 2: was still on the anti team all the time, and
Speaker 2: so you know, it just is it's just a guy
Speaker 2: that you kind of gravitate towards. He's always been that player.
Speaker 2: And he kept me, you know, not that I was
Speaker 2: ever going to leave. Obviously, he wants a fan, always
Speaker 2: a fan, but he just kind of kept me coming
Speaker 2: back wanting for more for the Charters and that was
Speaker 2: unfortunately the couple of seasons where he gets injured and
Speaker 2: things like that. So it's just, you know, Keenan is
Speaker 2: the guy that kept me glued to the Chargers alongside
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. And I'll always be grateful for what he
Speaker 2: has meant to the team and the effort, the moments,
Speaker 2: the positivity, the vibes, everything that he brought to the
Speaker 2: squad is just He's just a player that I'll always remember.
Speaker 2: I'll tell my kids, my grandkids, you know, in the
Speaker 2: future one day about how awesome it was to watch
Speaker 2: the prime of Keenan Allen and what he meant to
Speaker 2: the Chargers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Keenan Allen was really the soul of the Chargers.
Speaker 5: And I think other players have been the heart or
Speaker 5: the engine that gets the team going. That it really
Speaker 5: felt like Slayer was the soul there was. It was
Speaker 5: his personality, it was his musicality, it was his competitiveness,
Speaker 5: his connection with his teammates, his his playfulness, you know,
Speaker 5: old fam that's rad, you know, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: So good, and you know, he'll always be immortalized for
Speaker 5: the rot running, right, and that's what makes him special.
Speaker 5: But what made him great was everything else that included,
Speaker 5: like blocking in the run game. I mean, Tyree Wilson
Speaker 5: is six six, two seventy and Keenan Allen sent him
Speaker 5: back to Texas Tech. You know, go watch the Bengals game.
Speaker 5: I think it was fourth and one. There's a play
Speaker 5: where Keenana lines up behind the center or the hip
Speaker 5: pocket of the center because he's gonna block the linebacker
Speaker 5: at the next level like a full back to make
Speaker 5: sure they convert, you know, Like he's just he's even
Speaker 5: the guy I think this past season where the Chargers
Speaker 5: practice was over, but they needed a corner out there,
Speaker 5: so He's like, Okay, I'll go get out there after
Speaker 5: running my own routes with Herbert and I'll go run
Speaker 5: corner against Mike Williams and against Josh Palmer and make
Speaker 5: everybody better. Like, yes, he'll always be remembered for the
Speaker 5: route running. That's what he's known for. That's his thing.
Speaker 5: But I just appreciate so much and what makes him
Speaker 5: special is truly everything else about him, that the soul
Speaker 5: that he was, what he meant for the Chargers tough
Speaker 5: to tough to see him.
Speaker 3: Go for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think back to my first time coming down to
Speaker 2: training camp when the Chargers moved to LA back in
Speaker 2: twenty seven seventeen, and I was just in awe of
Speaker 2: like seeing that guy in person and running the routes
Speaker 2: and just working on his craft. And and I think
Speaker 2: that particular day that I was there, he stayed after
Speaker 2: for like a half hour just working on a new
Speaker 2: concept with Philip Rivers and everything like that. And it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of stuff is infectious, and we've
Speaker 2: seen that, you know, bleed into how Josha Palmer has
Speaker 2: approached his game in particular. And I look at his
Speaker 2: examples towards all of those other guys, and he's talked
Speaker 2: about it like that's how it was when he came
Speaker 2: into the league with Stevie Johnson and Eddie Royle and
Speaker 2: the examples that they left to him, and he felt
Speaker 2: that he.
Speaker 1: Needed to be that guy, you know.
Speaker 2: He he it would have been easy for him to
Speaker 2: not take Mike Williams, Josh Palmer, and Quentin Johnson under
Speaker 2: his wing, to say, hey, like I'm the alpha here,
Speaker 2: like you'd better just fall in line. But he was
Speaker 2: always willing to give his extra time and running on
Speaker 2: routes and like all the micd up clips of like
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer Quenton, even like a Jeremy Davis. I remember
Speaker 2: like going up to Keenan, like asking him about routes
Speaker 2: and things like that back in the day.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's it's everything.
Speaker 2: Of course the production certainly does does not do harm there,
Speaker 2: but it's everything that Keenan.
Speaker 1: Was as a player.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's ever gonna watch this,
Speaker 2: probably not, but Keenan, man, sincerely, thank you for everything
Speaker 2: that you gave to the franchise.
Speaker 1: We will always remember you.
Speaker 2: That being said, Tyler, if you had to pick one moment,
Speaker 2: one game that kind of, you know, epitomizes the Keenan
Speaker 2: Allen experience, which would you kind of point to.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, you should give me forty five minutes to
Speaker 5: talk about it. I think I'll end up giving several
Speaker 5: star Yeah, yeah, no kidding, now I've already done that.
Speaker 5: I will start with one that comes to mind, which
Speaker 5: isn't even a catch or wasn't a catch that counted,
Speaker 5: I should say, his rookie season, they traveled to Washington
Speaker 5: and he runs a route and he gets called for
Speaker 5: offensive pass interference. He didn't touch the defender, but the
Speaker 5: defensive back went so far the other direction that the
Speaker 5: ref thought that he must of committed offensive past interference.
Speaker 5: That's just how good Keenan was as a route runner
Speaker 5: that he would get called for offensive past interference without
Speaker 5: ever touching the defensive back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Seeing the clip one hundred times, it never gets old,
Speaker 2: you know, I think recency biased. The ten thousand yard
Speaker 2: catch was was amazing. One of the best catches you know,
Speaker 2: we can ever say that we've seen in and Keenan
Speaker 2: was never really like a big circus catch guy, but
Speaker 2: that one, that one definitely stands out. You know, again,
Speaker 2: just the moment, probably the coolest way to reach ten
Speaker 2: thousand yards of any player in NFL history. But I think,
Speaker 2: like still to this day, one of my favorite Keenan
Speaker 2: Allen games was the Thanksgiving game against the Dallas Cowboys. Again,
Speaker 2: that was his first season, like coming back from the
Speaker 2: ACL and the kidney and everything like that, and there
Speaker 2: were still a lot of doubters about Keenan, you know,
Speaker 2: in his ability to be an elite receiver, and that
Speaker 2: was kind of his not launching point because he was
Speaker 2: already that for us, right, but that was him reminding
Speaker 2: people like, hey, like I'm about this life. And just
Speaker 2: the way that he dominated that game, I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: And I think also because I was at a Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: holiday celebration with other Cowboys fans, so some of my
Speaker 2: family members are Cowboys fans, you know, the most popular
Speaker 2: team in Utah growing up. So watching that game, watching
Speaker 2: Keenan just torched the Cowboys with Cowboys fans on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: That's always gonna be something that I will remember and
Speaker 2: appreciate for Keenan Outen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, love that one. Loved the hurdle as you said
Speaker 5: in Mile High, that was great. Love the game with
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers against the Packers where it feels like he
Speaker 5: had twenty catches in the first half. The great catch
Speaker 5: against the Ravens that he actually ended up suffering the
Speaker 5: kidney injury because of it, but the catch was awesome.
Speaker 5: So many plays I think in terms of games, I
Speaker 5: guess I can also talk about like his literally his
Speaker 5: best game ever, which was recently against the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 5: This past season was awesome for Keenan Allen. He thinks
Speaker 5: it was his best season and that's one of those
Speaker 5: games where you go, yeah, that probably was your best
Speaker 5: season because he had eighteen catches, two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 5: yards and a forty nine yard passing touchdown to Mike Williams.
Speaker 5: I mean, just set record after record and threw almost
Speaker 5: a fifty yard bomb on top of it. It was
Speaker 5: an awesome game and they needed him. The Chargers absolutely
Speaker 5: needed to win that game. They had not won the
Speaker 5: previous two games, and they were going to blitz like crazy,
Speaker 5: So a lot of cover zero, a lot of you know,
Speaker 5: sending their corners on an island, and Keen Alan went
Speaker 5: okay and caught eighteen passes and just absolutely torched the
Speaker 5: Vikings that day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The last one, and I think for me is that
Speaker 2: pass that catch moment from the Dolphins game a couple
Speaker 2: of seasons ago, where everybody knew that Justin Ever was
Speaker 2: gonna throw the ball to Keenan Allen and it did
Speaker 2: not matter.
Speaker 1: He just pinned it right on him.
Speaker 2: Keen ran a great route, got the first down, went down,
Speaker 2: and won the game.
Speaker 1: That was a cool moment.
Speaker 2: I don't think people really will, like maybe Chargers fans will,
Speaker 2: but outsiders, I don't think they'll really appreciate how difficult
Speaker 2: it must be for a guy like Keenan to go
Speaker 2: from Philip Rivers, who you have this like amazing connection
Speaker 2: with right like mentally you're just on that mine mold,
Speaker 2: and then do that again, Like we've never really seen that. Like,
Speaker 2: of course there's like Davante and Aaron Rodgers and things
Speaker 2: like that, but usually when that guy goes to another quarterback,
Speaker 2: it just kind of takes a minute and it just
Speaker 2: kind of never really comes together at the same level.
Speaker 2: But right in Justin Herbert's first start, you know, Keene
Speaker 2: Allen runs a deep over route Tyron Matthew, the Honeymatgers
Speaker 2: trailing right underneath, and Justin Herbert just trusted and he
Speaker 2: threw it right at the perfect spot. And that was
Speaker 2: just kind of the beginning of beautiful romance over the
Speaker 2: over the last four seasons. So it's something that will
Speaker 2: go underappreciated, just the ability to mind meld with Rivers
Speaker 2: and then mine med with Herbert into the.
Speaker 1: Next era of charges football. It was truly a treat
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 5: How about just being consistent with different offensive coordinators and
Speaker 5: play caller since twenty thirteen, we were talking Mike McCoy
Speaker 5: and Frank Reich and Can wizen Hunt and Anthony Lenne
Speaker 5: is your next coach, Can wizen Hunt again, Shane Stike In,
Speaker 5: Joe Lombardi, Kellen Moore, And it's like, sure, you want
Speaker 5: a thousand yards and six touchdowns as an automatic guarantee,
Speaker 5: especially that six touchdown part that was that was a
Speaker 5: fun streak for a bit there where he just could
Speaker 5: not get for six touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: So it is gonna be a little weird obviously watching
Speaker 2: him in a different uniform new Chargers era. For sure,
Speaker 2: excited to see how that comes to fruition the vision
Speaker 2: that the Chargers have for him. But we wanted to
Speaker 2: do right by Keenan and be able to talk about
Speaker 2: some of his best moments because he deserves it, and
Speaker 2: I know that, like there's a lot of talk recently
Speaker 2: about his legacy and like what he means to the
Speaker 2: franchise and and you know, all due respect to guys
Speaker 2: who played and who are in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: who played back in the day, Lance Alworth and Charlie Joyner,
Speaker 2: those guys of course, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd.
Speaker 1: To me, Keenan Allen.
Speaker 2: Has the most receptions of any Chargers wide receiver, he
Speaker 2: has the most yards of any Charges wide receiver. He
Speaker 2: was the most consistently great in his job of any
Speaker 2: Chargers wide receiver. So for me, best receiver in franchise history.
Speaker 2: Probably not on the Mount Rushmore for Chargers legends, because
Speaker 2: you have Junior seou Lt and obviously Antonio Gates, who
Speaker 2: are you know, arguably the best players ever at some
Speaker 2: of their positions. So it's a bit tough for Keenan's
Speaker 2: to get on that Mount Rushmore. But I think, unequivocally
Speaker 2: for me, best receiver in franchise history, top ten player
Speaker 2: in franchise history, when all of a sudden done, number thirteen.
Speaker 1: Should be retired by the team in my opinion going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely could see that.
Speaker 5: I don't think he makes Mount Rushmore, like you said,
Speaker 5: at least not yet. Obviously, this is not the end
Speaker 5: of a career. Who we have no idea how many
Speaker 5: more years he could play. Could be one more year,
Speaker 5: it could be three more years, could be five more years.
Speaker 5: Who knows what we'll see a long that goes for
Speaker 5: I think I'll put in respect where like all Worth
Speaker 5: and Joiner and then Winslow, not ass maybe O'Neill as well,
Speaker 5: considering how many sacks he has for the team. Sure,
Speaker 5: maybe put I put him in like the same conversation.
Speaker 5: How much further he goes in the rankings of in
Speaker 5: Chargers history as kind of depends on how he does
Speaker 5: the next few seasons. But yeah, he's definitely in that
Speaker 5: conversation as one of the best Charges of all time.
Speaker 2: I think that fourth spot is probably one of the quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: depending on how you feel about versus rivers.
Speaker 1: But that's that's probably the consensus.
Speaker 2: Top five is is say out Gates, Tommentson, and then
Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: That's probably the top five.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think Keenan Allen has a legitimate
Speaker 2: argument to be in the top ten at.
Speaker 3: Least I would agree.
Speaker 1: Great guy.
Speaker 2: All right, Tyler, any final thoughts about Keenan or the
Speaker 2: draft or whatever before we hop off for the day.
Speaker 3: You know, I've done enough mock drafts. Man, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go tick an up.
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna wake up and do a mock draft.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're gonna say?
Speaker 3: Don't tell them exactly what my albums are.
Speaker 5: We talk about this in confidence. I have an issue,
Speaker 5: Keep that to yourself, keep that between us.
Speaker 2: I gotcha, I gotcha. All right, guys, thanks so much
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Speaker 2: and thanks to Tyler, thanks to Trevor, thanks to Greg
Speaker 2: Kimp for producing, Thanks to the Charger for having us
Speaker 2: and that's need for us today.
Speaker 1: As always, hold time