Speaker 1: It's a league fifteen to ten touched up sacks. Well,
Speaker 1: what's up, guys?
Speaker 2: Welcome into a brand new episode of Charges Weekly, as always,
Speaker 2: joined by Matt Muddy Spit Money.
Speaker 1: Has been a while since you and I did this pod.
Speaker 2: I think Indy was our last stop together, and man,
Speaker 2: so much has transpired. You and Popper did a great
Speaker 2: episode of Charges Weekly last Thursday. A few hours later
Speaker 2: we get the news of Keenan Allen traded to the
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears, and I think that's probably the obvious starting point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think I'll start with I didn't know
Speaker 3: what happened to you. You know, I didn't know if
Speaker 3: one of those teams plucked you and stole you from us,
Speaker 3: because we were surrounded by the Raiders and the Titans
Speaker 3: and the Jags and the Texans and we're all getting
Speaker 3: all buddy buddy, and I was like, wow, maybe maybe
Speaker 3: Chris got an offer and he just ghosted us that
Speaker 3: little Irish good bye. Here in the Saint Patrick's day time.
Speaker 1: This all the broad shoulder, you know, spring Christen for
Speaker 1: a pro day workout.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right, But yeah, a huge thank you to
Speaker 3: lan Zerline did it two weeks ago. Coming out of
Speaker 3: the combine. They think Popper last week and great pods.
Speaker 3: Appreciate those guys for helping us out there for a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, but you know, the Popper pod was great.
Speaker 3: We ended up doing like an hour and fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: and had sort of plotted a course and detailed a
Speaker 3: path for how we thought this thing was gonna work
Speaker 3: out with what little money they had, and yeah, about
Speaker 3: five to six hours later, that whole pod was Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was. It was a bummer, is what it was.
Speaker 3: Because it's not just the departure of Keenan, but it's
Speaker 3: the money. I mean, the fact that you're able to
Speaker 3: trade him. It's not that's the thing that people are,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I just posted the TV show I'd
Speaker 3: do with Lorenzo on Balley's that that airs for Believe,
Speaker 3: and and the title on there was sort of a
Speaker 3: little something about Keenan and stuff that we're going to
Speaker 3: get into here on the pod in a much more
Speaker 3: longer form conversation. But someone had wrote, well, with it
Speaker 3: was a second or a third, I would have felt
Speaker 3: better as opposed to a fourth. And it's like, well,
Speaker 3: don't don't look at it as a fourth look at
Speaker 3: it as a fourth and twenty four million dollars, Like
Speaker 3: someone took twenty four million dollars that's going to be
Speaker 3: paid to a thirty two year old receiver in the
Speaker 3: last year of his deal. And that's that's why, that's
Speaker 3: why Justin Fields could only fetch a sixth because he's
Speaker 3: in the last year and you either have to pick
Speaker 3: up that twenty five million dollar fifty year option or
Speaker 3: it's the last year. So that's I think it's important
Speaker 3: for people to remember the compensation is lower because the
Speaker 3: contract status, the amount of money, the thirty two year
Speaker 3: old age at the start of the season, like, there's
Speaker 3: so many things that go into it. So look at
Speaker 3: it as yes, the Bears not only gave the Chargers
Speaker 3: a fourth, but they took all twenty four million dollars
Speaker 3: off that cap and you know, well took the well
Speaker 3: technically thirty two million dollars, it's really twenty four of
Speaker 3: money that goes out, and so that's that's what the
Speaker 3: Chargers get back in return, is after they get thirty
Speaker 3: nine million dollars of relief with the restructures to Joey
Speaker 3: and Khalil, with the trading of Keenan, you take in
Speaker 3: the fourteen million dollar rookie pool as it's projected right now,
Speaker 3: if they stick with all of their picks and you've
Speaker 3: got twenty five million bucks to spend, you've got twenty
Speaker 3: five million bucks of maneuverability under the cap.
Speaker 2: Now, buddy, There's just a lot of emotion I think
Speaker 2: involved in this decision for Chargers fans, and I get it,
Speaker 2: keen It was the longest tenured Charger. You want to
Speaker 2: talk about, Maybe best Charger receiver of all time is
Speaker 2: a guy named Ye Bamby who's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: But what Keenan has done in this era, his consistency,
Speaker 2: some amazing epic games, whether in San Diego.
Speaker 1: Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: I think Chargers fans wanted to see Keenan and Powder
Speaker 2: Blue for the rest of his career, and that's that's
Speaker 2: natural for every player that's beloved. So I see both sides.
Speaker 2: I both both sides were correct. Keenan was correct and
Speaker 2: saying I'm not going to take a pay cut coming
Speaker 2: off that season, and Joe Ortiz in the front office
Speaker 2: and Jim Harball, they have decisions to make that.
Speaker 1: Are directly related to the salary cap and.
Speaker 2: Moving forward in a way where you are, you're a
Speaker 2: cap compliant, your cap is healthy, moving forward, and you
Speaker 2: were in a best position to win a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: here in the next couple of years. Could Keenan have
Speaker 2: done that? Absolutely? You know, Jim Harball name check Keenan
Speaker 2: Allen multiple times. But things changed. It comes down to financials,
Speaker 2: and I, like everybody else, uh gonna miss Keenan Allen
Speaker 2: in the Chargers uniform. But I one understand why this
Speaker 2: move needed to be made. And I just think it
Speaker 2: was a little bit surprising because we talked about the
Speaker 2: Big four all off season money and who are who
Speaker 2: are they going to be?
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be.
Speaker 2: One edge rusher and one wide receiver? I thought that, uh,
Speaker 2: we probably assumed that that was going to be the case.
Speaker 2: But the Charges elected to restructure. Joey and Khalil and
Speaker 2: then Mike and Keenan no longer on this team.
Speaker 3: So you put it perfectly, Chris, in terms of the
Speaker 3: you know, the King's got the right coming off in
Speaker 3: twelve games, one hundred and eight catches and eleven hundred yards,
Speaker 3: he was seven touchdowns. He's got the right to say
Speaker 3: I'm not taking a pay cut, But you go in
Speaker 3: knowing that when you say that, you're probably gone. You know,
Speaker 3: the second you take that stand, you're probably going to
Speaker 3: be out the door, because you can't. I think, in
Speaker 3: terms of what Joe Ortiz was faced with, you can't
Speaker 3: ask Khalil Mack to restructure coming off the year that
Speaker 3: he had and him be willing to do that and
Speaker 3: to help yes, say hey, we need to push in
Speaker 3: the same direction. I'm going to get you your money,
Speaker 3: We're going to convert some to signing bonus. But if
Speaker 3: you can help me out here, this is sort of
Speaker 3: what we need to do to execute our vision. And
Speaker 3: for Khalil coming off a career year, to say, all right,
Speaker 3: let's do it. You know, Joe's a different story because
Speaker 3: he hasn't been able to stay healthy. But the guy
Speaker 3: gave back seven million dollars, so he takes a huge haircut.
Speaker 3: And then to have Keenan come in and say no, nothing,
Speaker 3: it puts you in a tough spot with those two
Speaker 3: guys that already restructured, that already kind of put you
Speaker 3: in that position where well, it's hard for me and
Speaker 3: I will go back to Khalil Mack, who had that
Speaker 3: year last year and say, yeah, you know, here, here
Speaker 3: we are. And so I think to Keenanside, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I think the second you take that position,
Speaker 3: you probably know that it's that it's going to be over.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was surprised one bit once he took,
Speaker 3: you know, the stance of I'm not taking a pay cut,
Speaker 3: that he was going to be moved. And I think
Speaker 3: for the Chargers that's a lot of money. And for
Speaker 3: people that are saying, well, you missed the first round
Speaker 3: of free agency. You could have got Calvin Ridley or
Speaker 3: one of these other receivers gave Davis to replace him,
Speaker 3: don't forget you've got to resign your own Seawn Slater's
Speaker 3: up for an extension. So think of that twenty four
Speaker 3: twenty five million bucks that you now have to spend. Well,
Speaker 3: now you can extend him, and you can use that
Speaker 3: last year of the rookie deal and the fifty year
Speaker 3: option and all of those things to lower the overall
Speaker 3: annual value by doing an extension. Right now, we know
Speaker 3: Rashaun Slater is going to be one of the top five,
Speaker 3: maybe top three, highest paid left tackles. And you saw
Speaker 3: what the offensive line market looked like this offseason it exploded.
Speaker 3: I mean, Robert Hunt got a one hundred million dollar
Speaker 3: deal of being an average guard. So I think this
Speaker 3: money is opposed to saying, you know, are we going
Speaker 3: to go sign Stefan Gilmour, Are we going to sign
Speaker 3: Xavi and Howard? Are we going to sign Isaiah Simmons?
Speaker 3: Are we going to sign you know? Don't think of
Speaker 3: it like that. I would probably think of it more
Speaker 3: in terms of, oh, this this very well could end
Speaker 3: up being extensions for Josh Palmer and or Shan Slater,
Speaker 3: and this is the money they needed to get the
Speaker 3: youth tied up at team friendly deals. So you can
Speaker 3: get that average annual value, you'd be a little bit lower,
Speaker 3: you know, and maybe get a bargain here. If you
Speaker 3: believe in Josh Palmer, which we've talked about repeatedly on
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 4: I do. I believe in him.
Speaker 3: Anytime that guy was asked to step in as a
Speaker 3: starter pretty much would put up a one hundred yard game,
Speaker 3: And I got no problem with trying to get him
Speaker 3: at a bargain rate, you know, considering what, like I said,
Speaker 3: those Calvin Ridley deals look like what these extensions have
Speaker 3: looked like in the wide receiver market. I'd love to
Speaker 3: get him at a lower number and lock him up
Speaker 3: for the next three four years.
Speaker 2: So it's March twenty first, and I think, when fancy
Speaker 2: what the wide receiving room looks like right now, you
Speaker 2: get a little panic because you know Justin's top three
Speaker 2: weapons if you include Austin out the door, four weapons
Speaker 2: if you count Gerald Everett, Erald Everett.
Speaker 1: But it's Mars twenty first.
Speaker 2: Okay, And now that Mike is out and Keenan is
Speaker 2: out and the tight end room is remade, this.
Speaker 1: Is this is a philosophical move.
Speaker 2: I think two to get rid of these two wide receivers,
Speaker 2: no doubt, and also money. We talked at the combine
Speaker 2: so much about trading out of five, trading out of five, Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, there's three blue chip wide receivers and two,
Speaker 2: maybe three of them are gonna be staring at you
Speaker 2: at number five overall.
Speaker 1: So it gives.
Speaker 2: Me a little bit of pause when it comes to
Speaker 2: trading out of five. Now, if Marvin Harrison Junior is
Speaker 2: there or Elik Neighbors, so you know a lot of
Speaker 2: people are saying Neighbors is the number one receiver in
Speaker 2: this draft, not Harrison.
Speaker 1: Roma Dunza, who we've talked about.
Speaker 2: It would give me pause to trade back more than
Speaker 2: three or four spots to ensure that I get one
Speaker 2: of those guys. And the last week, and this is
Speaker 2: why we always say free agency dictates a lot of
Speaker 2: what we see in the draft, and certainly this week
Speaker 2: has illustrated a lot of what the Chargers could do
Speaker 2: with that fifth overall pick.
Speaker 3: Sure, so I'm gonna I'm gonna get into it. And
Speaker 3: we've done this, yeah, you know, repeatedly week after week.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm you know, I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: sort of beating that that dead horse. And I don't
Speaker 3: mean to, but with the trade, it just seemed like
Speaker 3: there was this wave and I look and I get it,
Speaker 3: you know, I totally get it. But let's just look
Speaker 3: at the Super Bowl champion Chiefs. Who's their number one
Speaker 3: wide receiver. It's not a wide receiver, it's tight end,
Speaker 3: you know, who's their who's their number two option. It's
Speaker 3: a running back, Isaiah Pacheco, you know, and those both
Speaker 3: of those players, it goes Patrick Mahomes defense. That's that's
Speaker 3: how the Chiefs just won a Super Bowl by having
Speaker 3: an incredible quarterback that's able to make plays. And then
Speaker 3: right behind Patrick Mahomes is Chris Jones, Nick Bolton, Trent McDuffie,
Speaker 3: the jerious snead. Like the defense carried the Chiefs this year,
Speaker 3: That's who carried them, the team that represented the NFC.
Speaker 3: It was not Deebo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 4: It was a.
Speaker 3: Defense, you know, led by those two linebackers and Nick Bosa,
Speaker 3: you know, Greenlawn Warner and Nick Bosa upfront and Eric
Speaker 3: Armstead up front and Christian McCaffrey. That's what carried that offense.
Speaker 3: Do not lose sight of how Jim Harball wants to
Speaker 3: play football. Every single place he has been has not
Speaker 3: been spread it out and throw it around.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: The narrative surrounding JJ McCarthy this year is how little
Speaker 3: opportunity he had to showcase his ability because of how
Speaker 3: Jim Harball wanted to play football, because he wanted to
Speaker 3: run it with Blake Korum, because he wanted to lean
Speaker 3: on Jesse Minners defense, because he wanted to be incredibly
Speaker 3: physical and beat the hell out of his opponent, and
Speaker 3: it led to a national championship just because they traded
Speaker 3: Keenan Allen does not mean that all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh is going to decide that he needs a
Speaker 3: blue chip wide receiver. That's just not how he plays football.
Speaker 3: It's not how it's not how he coaches football. And
Speaker 3: I think it's so important to remember he's he was
Speaker 3: a quarterback. It's not like Jim Harbaugh was a defensive
Speaker 3: end and defensive coordinator and he's coming into LA and like,
Speaker 3: I don't care about this. Justin Herbert, guy, We're gonna
Speaker 3: play David No, he's a quarterback. He knows what works,
Speaker 3: he has had success, he has had success with other
Speaker 3: quarterbacks and Jesse. You know, JJ McCarthy is is going
Speaker 3: to get drafted in the top five. You know, Minnesota
Speaker 3: does not trade for number twenty three in order to
Speaker 3: take somebody at eleven because they really thought there was
Speaker 3: going to be somebody else at twenty three. No, they
Speaker 3: have those two picks because they want to trade up
Speaker 3: in the draft. And maybe it's they feel like Drake
Speaker 3: Maya is slipping, which would be crazy. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's going to happen. I don't think maybe the I
Speaker 3: mean they're gonna go one, two, three, but maybe Carthy
Speaker 3: has has raised his hand enough that they they believe
Speaker 3: that they need to get up there to get him
Speaker 3: so so.
Speaker 2: Money for the sake of that conversation, the Chargers would
Speaker 2: have the number one overall pick of not quarterbacks. Right
Speaker 2: if we're we're saying Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake May
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, the Chargers are sitting pretty to take the
Speaker 2: best player on their board or a trade back.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where it's going to be interesting, right, Chris,
Speaker 3: Like if if Marvin Harrison Junior is sitting there at
Speaker 3: number five.
Speaker 1: Who didn't participate in his pro day by the.
Speaker 3: Way, No, I think he's just like, whatever, I'm good,
Speaker 3: I don't care you got you know, I'll come to
Speaker 3: the teams or or maybe he even doesn't even care
Speaker 3: about that. Just like, here's the tape. I'm not playing
Speaker 3: these other games. You know, you have got three years
Speaker 3: of tape on me. Go watch it and decide whether
Speaker 3: or not you think I should be the number one
Speaker 3: pick or the number one hundred pick. But that's what
Speaker 3: I'm doing in this draft process. You can you can
Speaker 3: watch all of those games. It's available to you at
Speaker 3: all twenty two high end zone, back end zone. You
Speaker 3: can take whichever view you want and you can watch
Speaker 3: me play. And that's that's what I'm doing. And that's
Speaker 3: fine because the tape is incredible, you know. So there's
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of that going on this year
Speaker 3: in what these players are now. You know, this nil
Speaker 3: era of player is certainly approaching the draft considerably different
Speaker 3: than the elite players. Look, everybody else has got to
Speaker 3: play the game, but the top where Caleb wouldn't do
Speaker 3: the medicals and will release his medicals if he feels
Speaker 3: as though a team needs to see them outside of
Speaker 3: you know, if he goes to see the Bears and
Speaker 3: they say we're not trading out and we're taking you
Speaker 3: number one, then he's fine. He's like, whatever, all right,
Speaker 3: you're taking me number one.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 3: No one else needs to see anything. Here's what I have.
Speaker 3: If that changes, then will adjust. And I almost feel
Speaker 3: like Marvin Harrison Junior's sort in that same boat. But
Speaker 3: that's that's why I think it's going to be important
Speaker 3: for fans, and it's going to be important for Joe
Speaker 3: Ortiz and Jim Harbor to craft their message, you know,
Speaker 3: knowing that you do have to serve the fans to
Speaker 3: some degree.
Speaker 4: Yes, they will be quiet if you win.
Speaker 3: But when when you have people that are respected in
Speaker 3: this business, that have Marvin Harrison Junior at number one
Speaker 3: or number two in terms of how what they view
Speaker 3: the talent as in this draft, it's gonna and you
Speaker 3: have a wide receiver room that is now you know,
Speaker 3: void of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. You're probably gonna
Speaker 3: have to answer some questions. But I think it's important
Speaker 3: to remember that maybe they just don't care because that's
Speaker 3: not what they value. They don't value that position like
Speaker 3: other teams do when it comes to winning football games.
Speaker 3: And it's always important to remember that. You know, right, Chris,
Speaker 3: who's like, who's building the team? Yeah, what do they
Speaker 3: place an emphasis on?
Speaker 1: Well, it's well for hardball too. I mean it starts
Speaker 1: in the trenches.
Speaker 2: And if if they can move back a few spots
Speaker 2: and a crew of pick get roma dunes, they let's
Speaker 2: say at nine or ten or whatever. The goal is
Speaker 2: to serve the fans through trying to win a Super Bowl, right,
Speaker 2: and and that's that's what I think. It's it's been tough.
Speaker 2: I think It's been kind of an emotional roller coaster
Speaker 2: for Charger fans because you've been so excited about seeing
Speaker 2: Jim Harball as the head coach, and you know, to
Speaker 2: see some of these players that you're accustomed to seeing
Speaker 2: in Powder Blue, and guys like Keenan and Mike who
Speaker 2: have been there for a long time and Austin it's
Speaker 2: it's probably a little jarring to see Keenan Allen excuse
Speaker 2: me a Caleb Walliams pro day wearing Bears colors. But
Speaker 2: the goal for Joe Orge's and Jim Harball is to
Speaker 2: win a super Bowl, not to go to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: not to win a playoff game.
Speaker 1: It's to go to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And that requires an overhaul and a deconstruction. And this
Speaker 2: is part of the Deacon's instruction process. So whatever they
Speaker 2: do at five, whether they trade back, whether they get
Speaker 2: that blue chip wide receiver, I firmly believe that Joe
Speaker 2: Worthy's and Jim Harball are on the same page in
Speaker 2: terms of building this team. This is not going to
Speaker 2: be a one year project. This is going to be
Speaker 2: a sustained plan to make sure that Justin Herbert is
Speaker 2: in the playoffs as consistently as Patrick Mahomes is and
Speaker 2: that's what's been missing probably the last few years, Bunny.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's like, that's one of the things that
Speaker 3: really hit me, like it truly hit me this week,
Speaker 3: is that all of these people in the media and
Speaker 3: so many fans that I've been interacting with, and I
Speaker 3: don't fault them, like I understand that, I understand, I
Speaker 3: get it. Justin Herbert is a unique talent, and you
Speaker 3: want to maximize his talents.
Speaker 4: As best as possible.
Speaker 3: But you have hired a he threw for five thousand
Speaker 3: yards in his rookie seat, Like, it's not like Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert had and had incredible seasons statistics, and they have
Speaker 3: not bore any fruit. There's not a single playoff win
Speaker 3: in any of those now. Conversely, Jim Harbaugh has been
Speaker 3: to back to back to back playoffs, has led to
Speaker 3: Ryan Day being on the hot seat at Olhio State
Speaker 3: has won a national championship, went to back to back
Speaker 3: NFC championships with the San Francisco forty nine ers, led
Speaker 3: Stanford to a twelve win season, San Diego to back
Speaker 3: to back eleven win seasons. Playing football a certain way,
Speaker 3: what do you want you want Herbert to have a
Speaker 3: five thousand yard season and a number one receiver, or
Speaker 3: do you want to put your faith in the guy
Speaker 3: that has built something a certain way every stop where
Speaker 3: he has been and trust him, like, Hey, this is
Speaker 3: how I think we need to play football and win football.
Speaker 3: This is my philosophy, and this is how we're gonna
Speaker 3: play it.
Speaker 4: Like to me, let's try that. Let's try it this way.
Speaker 3: Let's see if the guy who's done it everywhere he's
Speaker 3: been is onto something here about how he wants to
Speaker 3: play football. And if that means even if that means
Speaker 3: Chris no Roma Dunze, even if that means they still
Speaker 3: take the tackle at eleven if and look, I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's going to be available. I think you
Speaker 3: look at what Austoin you know Mossi did in Arizona
Speaker 3: last year when they had the number three pick, and
Speaker 3: he trades back and then he trades up. You know,
Speaker 3: he trades back so the Texans can take will Anderson.
Speaker 3: And then he trades up with Detroit so he can
Speaker 3: still get his offensive tackle, you know in Uh, so
Speaker 3: he can still get his Paris Johnson. So he goes
Speaker 3: from three to I think twelve and then twelve to six,
Speaker 3: and he just maneuvered the board masterfully last year. And
Speaker 3: now I'm looking at the full list of Arizona picks
Speaker 3: this year for twenty seven thirty five, sixty six seventy
Speaker 3: one ninety one hundred four. That is seven picks in
Speaker 3: the top one hundred four. And you got a defensive
Speaker 3: head coach that gave teams as much as they could handle,
Speaker 3: and a lot of those games last year with very
Speaker 3: little talent on that defensive side of the ball. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't see why he's like, yeah, we got to
Speaker 3: go get Marvin Harrison. No, I think he'll be like, whatever, man,
Speaker 3: give me eleven, twenty three, twenty seven, thirty five. We're
Speaker 3: gonna restock this defense. Everybody is focused on these tackles
Speaker 3: and this offensive line, and I'm gonna go out and
Speaker 3: get the d end, the dtackle, the corner, the number, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go load up on defense and stock
Speaker 3: that side of the ball with all of these picks,
Speaker 3: like I and give it to Jonathan Gannon like I
Speaker 3: could totally see him doing that instead of taking you know,
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison at four. So I don't know if the
Speaker 3: Chargers are gonna have, Like what I'm saying is, I
Speaker 3: don't I don't know if they're gonna have eleven and
Speaker 3: twenty three available, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so money, what about the takeaways of the combine?
Speaker 2: What do we hear? Wide receivers loaded? Wide receiver is
Speaker 2: freaking loaded from top to bottom in this draft. So
Speaker 2: if you don't get those three top guys, who's to
Speaker 2: say that the Chargers don't have Brian Thomas on their
Speaker 2: board just to tick below right, or Roman Wilson from
Speaker 2: Michigan just to tick below that Jim Harbo's familiar with.
Speaker 2: There are so many guys that you can get in
Speaker 2: later rounds that can really produce for Justin Herbert being
Speaker 2: the quarterback. And I just I want to just throw
Speaker 2: caution to everybody that because the wide receiver room looks
Speaker 2: like it does now, doesn't mean that's going to look
Speaker 2: like that in September. Doesn't mean trades aren't still going
Speaker 2: to be in the works, doesn't mean that you're not
Speaker 2: going to add a veteran free agent right now. Doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you're not going.
Speaker 1: To draft a a top quality wide receiver.
Speaker 2: And you've mentioned the fact that getting these guys on
Speaker 2: rookie deals is gold.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Justin Jeffson is about to get thirty three million dollars,
Speaker 2: so if you can get let's just put Keenan Allen
Speaker 2: in the potential of a Molik Neighbors in his rookie
Speaker 2: year side by side.
Speaker 1: Keenan is Keenan, right. We know he's a proven commodity.
Speaker 2: But if Molik Neighbors can do something similar to what
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase did their rookie year with
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert as your quarterback, you got a guy who's
Speaker 2: blowing it up for a fraction of the costs. So
Speaker 2: it's all about business too. Like the emotion of this
Speaker 2: and seeing guys that you used to seeing in a
Speaker 2: charger's uniform, you have to kind of put that aside
Speaker 2: and compartmentalize that rather and understand that there's a business
Speaker 2: to this and there's a method to all the madness
Speaker 2: to set this team up for long term success.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, so I'm gonna steal this from Joel Klatt,
Speaker 3: but it's also something that we've been talking about. So
Speaker 3: be sure you go check out Joels and we'll have
Speaker 3: to get him on the Pott He's great, obviously, And look,
Speaker 3: he's done all these Michigan games. He's sat in a
Speaker 3: room production meeting with Jim Harbaugh god knows how many
Speaker 3: times because they're doing big noon and he's the lead analyst.
Speaker 3: But Joel made the point that we've been making that
Speaker 3: I've been making, you know, over the start of this podcast,
Speaker 3: but I feel like we've been discussing for the last
Speaker 3: two months.
Speaker 4: In his mock.
Speaker 3: Draft, so he's got the Chargers trading back with the Vikings,
Speaker 3: the Vikings get their quarterback and JJ McCarthy and he's
Speaker 3: like at eleven and he's still got elite neighbors on
Speaker 3: his board. But at eleven, who does he draft brock Bauers.
Speaker 3: He's like, Jim Harbaugh's is not a wide receiver guy.
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh is a tight end guy. He likes on
Speaker 3: his offense. He likes the conundrum and the confusion that
Speaker 3: a player like that makes, much more so than a
Speaker 3: number one receiver. And he's talking about you know, and
Speaker 3: and in his his pot he's like, look, I gave
Speaker 3: him Bowers at five, even though it was Rich.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is Harbaugh's guy.
Speaker 3: He has built for what Harbaugh wants to do and
Speaker 3: knowing what you know what Justin Herbert is capable of doing.
Speaker 3: And I think it's so important to put it into
Speaker 3: the context of I think there's two ways you can
Speaker 3: frame it. One Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes. Once they got
Speaker 3: rid of Tyreek Hill, that wide receiver went out, but
Speaker 3: they still, like think about it, they still had Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. That was still the ultimate mismatch. The teams
Speaker 3: did not have an answer for it. So think of
Speaker 3: it through that lens. Justin Herbert brock Bauer's equals Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, Andy Reid is still capable of creating conflict
Speaker 3: with that matchup, even though he doesn't have a number
Speaker 3: one wide receiver. So you want that clearly, that's something
Speaker 3: that has value in the league because they've been able
Speaker 3: to do it in Kansas City for the last seven years.
Speaker 3: You know, with Travis Kelsey, he's been the straw that
Speaker 3: stirs the drink, not Tyreek Hill when it comes to
Speaker 3: what Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid have used to totally
Speaker 3: bust teams defenses up. So you've got that. The other
Speaker 3: side of that is just everywhere that he's been, everywhere
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh has been, it has not been a number
Speaker 3: one ride receiver. But there have been the tight ends.
Speaker 3: You know, there have been the Kobe Fleeeners, the Vernon Davis.
Speaker 3: Now look I and and you know in San Francisco
Speaker 3: it was Vernon Davis Jake Butt at Michigan before he
Speaker 3: had all the injuries that derailed his NFL career to
Speaker 3: some degree, Like that's what it's been. It hasn't been
Speaker 3: you know, it hasn't been wide receiver quarterback. It's been
Speaker 3: tight end quarterback. So maybe don't think so much about
Speaker 3: the the you know, the outside receiver as oh, here's
Speaker 3: an interesting weapon. And if we can trade back and
Speaker 3: like DJ hashim trading back with with the Jets for
Speaker 3: Fuaga the tackle and which which I love, by the way,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. You know, go get the tackle, four
Speaker 3: to five the line, get that thing settled for the
Speaker 3: next ten years. You know, to me, that makes sense
Speaker 3: as well. So I think there's a lot of different
Speaker 3: ways you can go about it. But you know, and
Speaker 3: in terms of DJ's mock draft, look, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to push back on him. That guy's forgotten. You know
Speaker 3: has forgotten more football than I'll ever know. But I
Speaker 3: need I need pretty much like he said. So I
Speaker 3: think he had them trading back to ten and picking
Speaker 3: up the Jets' second rounder next year, because that's what
Speaker 3: the Jimmy Johnson chart shows. That chart's going to need
Speaker 3: to be crumpled up and thrown out because just because
Speaker 3: the money has changed so much from when that chart
Speaker 3: was built. And if you're trading up to get a
Speaker 3: wide receiver at five that you're now going to have
Speaker 3: cost control on for five years, knowing what these contracts
Speaker 3: look like, if you're you know you, the Vikings get
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson at twenty two at at a million bucks
Speaker 3: a year for all of these like, it's just worth more.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it is worth more than what that chart
Speaker 3: dictates because of how much money you're saving for these
Speaker 3: blue chip players. So if I'm giving up five, I
Speaker 3: need a heck of a lot more than next year's
Speaker 3: number two from a team that now has Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: and Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses. And you're gonna get sorry,
Speaker 3: I need more than the number two and twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: you're giving me your one next year?
Speaker 4: If you want to do that money.
Speaker 1: So that's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 2: What's funny about that that mock draft, it was, it
Speaker 2: was chaos. The Jets took a receiver at five. I
Speaker 2: think later that day Mike Williams signed.
Speaker 1: Right the Jets right.
Speaker 2: So exactly, we have so much draft stuff to digest,
Speaker 2: and I really want to over the next month to
Speaker 2: really dig in on these titands because like we'll talk
Speaker 2: about Disley and Hayden Hurst in that room and what
Speaker 2: a brock Bowers could mean to that room. But just
Speaker 2: to put a pin in some of the guys who
Speaker 2: have left as the voice of the Chargers made You've
Speaker 2: You've called some amazing games.
Speaker 1: I just I remember my favorite call.
Speaker 2: I always tell you it's the Kansas City call with
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, the two point conversion, just countless cannon games.
Speaker 2: I remember the one in twenty eighteen Pittsburgh and where
Speaker 2: he had a million catches to come back and beat
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh on the road a couple of years ago in Philly,
Speaker 2: just money on third down.
Speaker 1: That Minnesota game this.
Speaker 2: Year, just maybe I just kind of reflect on some
Speaker 2: of the guys, you know, I give Austin a lot
Speaker 2: of credit for what he did here. You know, an
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent in twenty seventeen worked his way up
Speaker 2: to a role and it was a big part of
Speaker 2: this community. Michael Davis same year, twenty seventeen, undrafted free agent.
Speaker 2: But those guys go to Washington.
Speaker 1: So anything you.
Speaker 2: Want to say about the guys who left, who I
Speaker 2: know you have personal relationships with and you got to
Speaker 2: call some amazing games.
Speaker 3: Yes's look, that's the sad part of it, right is
Speaker 3: you know, selfishly, the idea that when their number gets
Speaker 3: retired or they are inducted into the Charger Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: that those are the calls that are going to be
Speaker 3: played on the on the big scoreboard, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: my voice. And like, yeah, selfishly, it's a bummer, you
Speaker 3: know that that Now some of that is adjusted a
Speaker 3: little bit because they're gonna be because Keenan's gonna wear
Speaker 3: a bear uniform and and Mike Williams is likely gonna
Speaker 3: wear a jet in probably another uniform after that would
Speaker 3: be my guess and Sae with Keenan, you know, perhaps
Speaker 3: after that, so it it it dilutes it a little bit,
Speaker 3: but you're just thankful for the moments that those guys
Speaker 3: delivered for you, that that they gave you to. All
Speaker 3: I'm doing is describing what I see in front of me.
Speaker 3: They're the ones that do all the hard work to
Speaker 3: make it happen. But yeah, I'm gonna miss it. I'm mean,
Speaker 3: we just had it with the Minnesota game with Keenan
Speaker 3: and a double pass to Mike Williams in that game.
Speaker 3: No less, you know that those those moments are are gone,
Speaker 3: and it's it's a it's yeah, it's it's certainly bittersweet.
Speaker 3: And I think for me having you know, having worked
Speaker 3: with the Lakers and you worked there as as well, Chris,
Speaker 3: so you know, like I watched some trade shack, you know,
Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neill. So that just sets the tone, you know,
Speaker 3: for for anything else moving forward. Ladanian Tomlinson was a
Speaker 3: Jet for a while, like Philip Rivers was a cult
Speaker 3: for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: Like it happened.
Speaker 3: It's and it's not like it's limited to the to
Speaker 3: the Chargers. I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a jet. He
Speaker 3: is not a packer.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 3: Montana was a chief, you know, like yeah, that's Jerry
Speaker 3: Rice was a Bronco. You know, it was a raider
Speaker 3: like that, Like, you know, there's there's weird stuff that
Speaker 3: that that happens. You know, Roger Craig was a chief.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's it's the nature of this game
Speaker 3: where it is very hard. Very few people, you know,
Speaker 3: very few players are able to sustain later in their careers,
Speaker 3: and that makes it tough for teams. You don't want
Speaker 3: to play. You don't want to pay the player for
Speaker 3: what he did. You want to pay him for what
Speaker 3: he's going to do. And it's it's a harsh reality.
Speaker 3: You can you can get away with it a little
Speaker 3: bit in the other sports because they have soft caps.
Speaker 4: The NFL does not.
Speaker 3: The NFL has a hard salary cap, and it makes
Speaker 3: it a little bit harder to keep those players around
Speaker 3: for sentimental reasons. But for I don't want people to
Speaker 3: think that I'm you know that I just don't care.
Speaker 3: Like whatever Keenan's gone, who cares? No, of course, I want,
Speaker 3: you know, the captain, like I would love making those
Speaker 3: calls like it's a you know, and I so yes,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm bummed, But at the same time, I am ready.
Speaker 3: Since twenty seventeen, I've been able to call two playoffs,
Speaker 3: and in those two playoffs there have been three games
Speaker 3: and one win. So I think the individual players, the
Speaker 3: individual calls will always be trumped by the playoff moments
Speaker 3: and the big plays in the postseason that lead to
Speaker 3: the divisional round, to the championship round, to a super Bowl,
Speaker 3: to a championship if when they hired these two people,
Speaker 3: I want to just again remind the folks listening to
Speaker 3: the pod. Hey, let's not forget how adamant you were
Speaker 3: about Harbaugh and no one else it was. It was
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh and nobody else in the coaching search. This
Speaker 3: is what you wanted. This is what you signed up
Speaker 3: for like this. You didn't just sign up for the
Speaker 3: name and the guy who's quirky and fun, and you
Speaker 3: signed up for the wins. That's what you signed up for.
Speaker 3: And this is how he believes you win football games.
Speaker 3: The way that this team is being built and Jesse
Speaker 3: Minter needs to have that that pass rush. So they
Speaker 3: got Joey Bosa back and they're going to connect him
Speaker 3: with Ben Herbert and see if there's some special sauce there.
Speaker 3: We're going to put you in our strength and conditioning program.
Speaker 3: You're not going back to Florida. The guy that you've
Speaker 3: been using has watched you get hurt every season of
Speaker 3: your career. So let's get with our guy and let's
Speaker 3: see if we can figure this out and make sure
Speaker 3: you continue to make tens of millions of dollars every
Speaker 3: year because you have the talent. Unfortunately, your body is
Speaker 3: betraying you a little bit. So let's see if we
Speaker 3: can fix that. And I'm sure that's probably something that
Speaker 3: Joey thought about, you know, like, hey, I could you
Speaker 3: know they're going to give me an opportunity.
Speaker 4: To stay here.
Speaker 3: Let's see if this guy who's been able to put
Speaker 3: all of these players in the NFL and make them
Speaker 3: a lot of money. You know that we talk about
Speaker 3: a Jabo who had, you know, obviously the broken leg,
Speaker 3: which is why he didn't go in the first round,
Speaker 3: but quitd he Pay and Aiden Hutchinson and you know,
Speaker 3: these defensive ends. Let's let's see if I can get
Speaker 3: some of that special sauce that Ben Herbert's got going
Speaker 3: and next thing, you know, bounce back here for Joey
Speaker 3: has a hear like Khalil has, and you put him
Speaker 3: and I think That's the other thing about bringing back
Speaker 3: Joey is again he's got to stay healthy and Khalil's
Speaker 3: got to produce it age thirty three as opposed to
Speaker 3: age thirty two. But we remember it was such a
Speaker 3: sliver of time, Chris. But we remember what it looked
Speaker 3: like when Tuley, Joey and Khalil were on the field together,
Speaker 3: and it was madness, it was mayhem, it was domination.
Speaker 3: And so I'm sure that's what Joe and Jim and
Speaker 3: Jesse saw, like, Hey, you know what.
Speaker 4: Let's see if we can do it.
Speaker 3: Let's just let's let's roll the dice and see if
Speaker 3: we can get these three guys on the field. Because
Speaker 3: in what Minter likes to do, where you have no
Speaker 3: idea where it's coming from, you know, and it's typically
Speaker 3: five maybe six guys on the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 3: this guy's dropping out and this guy's coming and you
Speaker 3: had no idea that this corner was set up up
Speaker 3: to run with the wide receiver downfield. But now he's
Speaker 3: in the flat blowing up your running back that you
Speaker 3: did not know was going to happen. Like I think
Speaker 3: that's the way they look at is we can really
Speaker 3: put an offense and conflict with those three guys on
Speaker 3: the field at the same time, you.
Speaker 2: Play the odds for Joey. He's due for a healthy year.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is due for a healthy year. And
Speaker 2: you said it man like this, Jim Harball, this is
Speaker 2: what you signed up for. You signed up for wins.
Speaker 2: And he has won at every level doing it this way.
Speaker 2: And we are right at the beginning stages of all this.
Speaker 1: The NFL.
Speaker 2: The turnover in the NFL is remarkable every single year.
Speaker 2: And speaking of turnover, I just want to touch on
Speaker 2: some of these guys. We can get into these guys
Speaker 2: excuse me a little bit more next week, but I
Speaker 2: really want to spend a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: time on Keenan and Mike and some of the guys
Speaker 2: who have met a loze of.
Speaker 1: This organization who are in new places. But I mean, you're.
Speaker 2: Already seeing kind of the identity that Jim Harball and
Speaker 2: company want to play with offensively, bringing Gus Edwards a
Speaker 2: hammer right, Bradley Boseman looking like a potential starting center
Speaker 2: at least for twenty twenty four. Oh yeah, pot a
Speaker 2: Ford on the defensive side. Just the tight ends room
Speaker 2: that we talked about Disley and Hayden Hurst. You are
Speaker 2: slowly starting to see what Jim Harbaugh wants to accomplish,
Speaker 2: and we have not even really hit that second third
Speaker 2: wave of free agency and trades and obviously having a
Speaker 2: lot of picks in the draft.
Speaker 1: Money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know so much of it
Speaker 3: too is compensatories, signing guys that aren't going to affect
Speaker 3: your compensatory selections for next year. We've talked about how
Speaker 3: many picks do we think Geordie's would like to have
Speaker 3: in this draft? We at least at nine. Now we
Speaker 3: said double digits. He's going to get there, and he's
Speaker 3: going to get to ten or eleven. You know, he's
Speaker 3: already at nine with the Keenan trade and the extra
Speaker 3: fourth and the compensatory for Drew the extra seventh, so
Speaker 3: they had seven.
Speaker 4: That was eight.
Speaker 3: Now he's got nine. I think he wants to get
Speaker 3: to ten, and I would that's what he wants moving forward.
Speaker 3: He's gonna want ten draft picks moving forward. So a
Speaker 3: lot of these signings are part of the whole compensate.
Speaker 3: Now Denzel counted against them, but the Michael Thomas thing
Speaker 3: balanced that out. Bradley Boseman was cut by the Panthers,
Speaker 3: so that does not play into the compensatory formula. There
Speaker 3: you go, there's your starting center and it's someone that
Speaker 3: obviously they drafted in Baltimore, loved in Baltimore. Let walk
Speaker 3: in free agency for part of that compensatory pick formula
Speaker 3: because he signed a big money deal with the Panthers
Speaker 3: and I think they had probably ended up getting a
Speaker 3: fourth or something like that for him. So don't forget that.
Speaker 3: There's that level. That's that's part of the operation in
Speaker 3: free agency is they would prefer to sign guys that
Speaker 3: had been cut as opposed to guys that are walking
Speaker 3: in Cowda Kent's compensatory picks. The one the one that
Speaker 3: I'm sort of it. There's two names that I'm really
Speaker 3: interested in in free agency, and I'll just put them
Speaker 3: out there, and I get it there could be an
Speaker 3: expiration date on it. So you know what, let me
Speaker 3: just let me just go into the old vredzone dot
Speaker 3: com here, you know, quick, just to make.
Speaker 2: Sure kick Twitter real time, to make sure that this
Speaker 2: isn't going to be dated.
Speaker 3: H Well, it's interesting because here's one of the names
Speaker 3: at the top and the entering diversion in Keys has
Speaker 3: been accepted into a pre trial diversion program help him
Speaker 3: avoid trial stemming from his arrest last fall sil battery.
Speaker 4: So what do we talk about with Keenan?
Speaker 3: It's catches, It's receptions, right, He's got the most sixteen
Speaker 3: reception games, He's got the most fifteen reception games. He's
Speaker 3: got the most fourteen reception games. Who's the other guy
Speaker 3: in the league that piles up receptions? Just piles him
Speaker 3: up over and over and over again and has been
Speaker 3: derailed by injury, and you got to roll the dice
Speaker 3: that he's going to be healthy. And he's got a
Speaker 3: little bit of an off field thing going right now,
Speaker 3: which is probably why he hasn't been signed yet. You know,
Speaker 3: it was he got into a he got into an
Speaker 3: issue with a construction worker that parked his truck in
Speaker 3: front of his house and Michael Thomas got all pissed
Speaker 3: at him and kept asking him to move and slap
Speaker 3: the phone out of his hand, and you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's one of those things, right, It's not like he
Speaker 3: beat the snot out of a guy. It was he
Speaker 3: got into an argument and threw his phone and they
Speaker 3: got to figure that out. Michael Thomas had like one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty catches and here he's a big guy
Speaker 3: that operated a ton out of the slot for Sean Payton.
Speaker 4: Sound familiar. Well, also sound familiar.
Speaker 2: A guy that Jim Harbaugh played against at the Ohio
Speaker 2: State as well.
Speaker 1: Right, So I mean it's you.
Speaker 4: Know, so like that's the thing Chris is.
Speaker 3: It's like that's what Keenan was, big guy in the slot,
Speaker 3: ton of catches. So Michael Thomas is out there and
Speaker 3: I don't know what his Let me see if I
Speaker 3: go to wide receivers. Let me I don't know if
Speaker 3: he was I can't remember if they extended him and
Speaker 3: he was cut, or if they gave him just a
Speaker 3: one year deal and he was let me see what
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas got into it with the front of the
Speaker 2: program Jeff Duncan last week.
Speaker 4: It looks like exactly, Oh is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He did?
Speaker 2: Huh, you know, a little expect nothing, a little expect.
Speaker 4: He's a fiery guy.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's go transaction contract details. Okay, So twenty
Speaker 3: nine through twenty four five year, nine hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: five thousand looks like so is that the because it
Speaker 3: looks like there's void years on here for twenty five,
Speaker 3: twenty six, twenty seven, so I think they added all
Speaker 3: the void years and the new rule. It's not new,
Speaker 3: it's a couple of years old, but is you can't
Speaker 3: cut a player. You can't just decline void years after
Speaker 3: you've added them and expect to be rewarded with compensatory selection.
Speaker 3: So I'm not super well versed on this, but it
Speaker 3: looks like he was on a one year, so I
Speaker 3: think that was the prior year. But I'm seeing all
Speaker 3: of these void years here. I'm talking too much about it. Whatever,
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure I stay consistent with
Speaker 3: compensatory formula thing.
Speaker 1: But it's a name to know. What about Tyler Boyd?
Speaker 2: Is is Tyler Boyd been signed yet Cincinnati?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. But Michael Thomas is
Speaker 3: the one. The other one, Chris JK. Dobbins, I want
Speaker 3: to see, like I'd roll the dice on him, man,
Speaker 3: I would roll the dice on the ACL and the
Speaker 3: and I don't know if we talked. I might have
Speaker 3: talked about this with Popper last week. I think so
Speaker 3: you were you were out of it, But I brought
Speaker 3: this up last week with Popper. I'll just reiterate it.
Speaker 3: He's still out there. Those are the two names you
Speaker 3: know that I that I think offensively I would like
Speaker 3: to see and I think would fit in perfectly on
Speaker 3: one year prove it deals. Michael Thomas is thirty one,
Speaker 3: so thirty one to twenty. He just turned thirty one,
Speaker 3: so he's a year younger than Keenan, but a very
Speaker 3: similar profile when you talk about size stature. He's a
Speaker 3: six foot three guy that plays in the slot that
Speaker 3: catches a ton of balls, and you can get him
Speaker 3: at a discount, And same thing with Dobbins because of
Speaker 3: the ACL and the and the Achilles combined, he's a
Speaker 3: legitimate top five back in this league if he's healthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say the Achilles was this past
Speaker 2: year because I think he was rehabbing with Rogers early
Speaker 2: in the season too. So be interesting to see what
Speaker 2: his progress has been this offseason and maybe that's a
Speaker 2: maybe that's a late offseason pickup or somebody that you
Speaker 2: can you could scoop up.
Speaker 3: He's so young, it'll be almost you know, when you
Speaker 3: talk about the Achilles, it's you know it because he's
Speaker 3: so young, I think he'd probably be ready to go
Speaker 3: by training camp, would be my guess. Yeah, so, and
Speaker 3: especially if you're just running him in a platoon with
Speaker 3: Gus like they did, you know out there. So yeah, JK,
Speaker 3: he's twenty five. You know, he's twenty five, and there
Speaker 3: you know spot Rocket is saying that he's two point
Speaker 3: one million dollar proven deal. That's what they figures he's
Speaker 3: getting so great perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, done exactly. And you know maybe that's a maybe
Speaker 2: that's a post draft thing too. Maybe you see, you
Speaker 2: see what's out there, you see who the Chargers can
Speaker 2: get in the draft, if anybody.
Speaker 1: Lloyd from USC Yeah, yeah, it's just there's.
Speaker 2: A lot of potential options in that that third fourth
Speaker 2: round that may make a lot of sense for what
Speaker 2: Jim Harboldt wants to accomplish.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, Like.
Speaker 2: The last or the next thirty days rather is going
Speaker 2: to be a blast just talking about the draft and
Speaker 2: just kind of putting all these puzzle pieces together. We
Speaker 2: got to get some more guests on, like you said,
Speaker 2: Joel Clad would be great, get some other draft analysus,
Speaker 2: we get Clo.
Speaker 3: I'll finish that too, by the way, just to give
Speaker 3: clad all as Flowers, Yeah, Bowers at eleven, Guidon at
Speaker 3: twenty three, So right tackle, weapon, offensive weapon, Jim Harbaugh football. Again,
Speaker 3: it's a guy that called probably thirty Jim Harbaugh Michigan
Speaker 3: games over his career, if not more, which means all
Speaker 3: of those production meetings talking to Jim Harbor about what
Speaker 3: are you looking to do? What is it you're trying
Speaker 3: to accomplish to it? How's the offense?
Speaker 4: Gay?
Speaker 3: Remember that's when you're doing TV. You have what's called
Speaker 3: the production meeting, and you sit with the head coach
Speaker 3: and typically both coordinators, and then they'll offer up one
Speaker 3: or two players. Is what you get when you call
Speaker 3: the TV game. And so he's talking to Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 3: that much, to Jesse Minter that much, to the offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator of the Jim Harbaugh offense all of those times.
Speaker 3: He knows how they want to play football. And in
Speaker 3: his mock draft, the first one he gave him Brock
Speaker 3: Bauers at five second when he had him trade back
Speaker 3: to eleven, pick up twenty three from Minnesota and go
Speaker 3: right tackle tight end. So I think it's important to
Speaker 3: keep it in context before you start getting your hopes
Speaker 3: up about and again, I can't say it enough.
Speaker 4: I would love.
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. I would love I want to call
Speaker 3: the explosive players. I want to call the touchdowns. I
Speaker 3: want to call the first downs on first and ten
Speaker 3: that go thirty five yards down the field that we've
Speaker 3: never had here, Like, yes, I want to call that.
Speaker 3: I want Malik Neighbors, I want Marvin Harris, and I
Speaker 3: want Roma du And say would love it. I just
Speaker 3: don't think that's the way he plays football. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's necessarily where he places value of a number
Speaker 3: five overall pick.
Speaker 4: I just don't.
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to envision them saying, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is our path as opposed to let's trade back, pick
Speaker 3: up a couple more picks where we can get a
Speaker 3: couple more linebackers, linemen, interior defensive linemen, etc. To help
Speaker 3: this team out.
Speaker 2: It certainly makes it intriguing them money when not only
Speaker 2: Keenan but also Mike leaves, it makes the cupboard a
Speaker 2: little bit bare at that position, A lot of exciting
Speaker 2: options at five. You know that probably two of those
Speaker 2: three guys at least are going to be staring at
Speaker 2: it in the face at five, and it could be tempting,
Speaker 2: but I think Chargers fans need to go with the mantra.
Speaker 2: In Joe and in Jim, we trust and just see
Speaker 2: what April brings. But so excited to be back with
Speaker 2: you Money, We'll pick it up next Thursday. And anything
Speaker 2: else you want to touch on before we roll out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you said it there and Joe and Jim
Speaker 3: we trust. So I'll leave you with this. All the
Speaker 3: fans that hate me right now, because I'm not mocking
Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors or or Marvin Harrison junior to the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Nobody hates Nobody hates mad Money Smith.
Speaker 4: Okay, oh they do.
Speaker 3: They're upset with me right now because they want the receiver,
Speaker 3: which is fine.
Speaker 4: I get it. I do too, but I'll say.
Speaker 3: This, here, here is your here is your lane. Here's
Speaker 3: the lane that that you can drive in if that's
Speaker 3: what you want and you really want it to happen.
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens always take best player available, So on their board,
Speaker 3: if Marvin Harrison is the number one player and the
Speaker 3: next player is graded you know, well below him, they'll
Speaker 3: take him. And Ortiz will talk to Jim and just say,
Speaker 3: look you when you're in this position, you got to
Speaker 3: take the blue chip, you got to take the sure thing.
Speaker 3: And this is what we feel the best about. This
Speaker 3: is the guy that has graded the highest from all
Speaker 3: of our scouts and all of our personnel directors. This
Speaker 3: guy has the best grade and it's not close from
Speaker 3: the next guy we could take. So let's let's just
Speaker 3: follow our board and let's do it. So there you go.
Speaker 3: That's that, and that is I think a very real
Speaker 3: possibility because that is how they operate in Baltimore. They
Speaker 3: always take best player, regardless of position.
Speaker 2: And that's what we've been hearing that that the receivers
Speaker 2: are the best players in this draft. So we got
Speaker 2: five more weeks. There you go until we know. We'll
Speaker 2: talk well gospip about it for the next five weeks
Speaker 2: and we'll see you next Thursday for Matt Mudy Smith.
Speaker 2: Don't we just hate you