Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into another episode of the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 1: Dynasty Football Podcast. I am Ryan Wormley, joined as always
Speaker 1: by Pat fitz Morris and by Scott Bogman Fellas. We
Speaker 1: are mock drafting today. It is my most fun type
Speaker 1: of episode that we do. We are doing a Dynasty
Speaker 1: Superflex rookie mock draft.
Speaker 2: This is two point zero fits.
Speaker 1: You actually missed the first one, which we do with
Speaker 1: Cody Carpenter, who was you know, kind enough to join
Speaker 1: Boggs and myself. Did you learn anything from listening to
Speaker 1: the first one? Did you watch the tape to see
Speaker 1: what types of picks we'd be making.
Speaker 3: I have been neglectful in scouting you guys, but I
Speaker 3: actually scouted Cody. Oddly enough. Yesterday we joined Thor and
Speaker 3: Deebro and myself joined three of the player profiler guys
Speaker 3: for a six man mock draft. So that was interesting.
Speaker 3: I have the book on Deebro and Thor, now I
Speaker 3: just don't have it on you guys. So I guess
Speaker 3: I'm gonna learn a lot today.
Speaker 1: I'm a wild card, okay, I'm little Finger and Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones complete believer in chaos, so you really can't
Speaker 1: learn anything from me. I'm gonna be one ladder from
Speaker 1: the last one. Chaos is a ladder. Great line from
Speaker 1: the show that wasn't actually in the books, by the way,
Speaker 1: so you know, really good, good moment there.
Speaker 2: Just to let everybody know.
Speaker 1: All of our early twenty twenty four consensus rankings and
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Speaker 1: You can also navigate from there to our dynasty rankings
Speaker 1: as well if you want to take a look at
Speaker 1: where we have these guys ranked. Let's dive into the
Speaker 1: mock and Bogman put together the sheet. He gave himself
Speaker 1: the first overall pickie.
Speaker 2: Where are you starting to stow? Is it the obvious pick? Look?
Speaker 2: I gave myself one because I struggle with one right now.
Speaker 2: Maybe that'll change by the time the draft is over.
Speaker 2: But I think Marvin Harrison Jr. Is such a lock.
Speaker 2: But in a super flex mock, which is what we're
Speaker 2: doing here today, I think it has to be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: And you know, Patrick Holmes is what we want out
Speaker 2: of Caleb Williams. Are we gonna get it? I don't
Speaker 2: know that's a big ask. But Patty Mahomes is never
Speaker 2: really QB one. He's very high. He's in the top
Speaker 2: three constantly, but he hasn't been that like crazy overwhelming
Speaker 2: number one QB. Maybe one year he has, but he's
Speaker 2: always in that top three. Superflex is limited by the
Speaker 2: amount of players. It's only thirty two right quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: the NFL, so you know that is the number that
Speaker 2: you have, which is really twenty eight or twenty nine,
Speaker 2: because there's always a couple jobs that are in flux.
Speaker 2: So to me, it still has to be the most
Speaker 2: guaranteed product coming out. That's Caleb Williams. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: stick with Caleb Williams and pick him at one one.
Speaker 1: Fits just to confirm you would make the same choice, right,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: I would, And like I understand the temptation of Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior there, but I would also take Caleb one
Speaker 3: on one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a consensus, you know, unanimus across the board
Speaker 1: for the three of us at least fits.
Speaker 2: Are you going with Harrison at number two?
Speaker 3: Then I am gonna take Harrison, And you know it
Speaker 3: is super flex and Drake May and Jaden Daniels are tempting,
Speaker 3: but man, I'm just totally sold on Harrison. And we've
Speaker 3: talked about this worm. Like I live up in Big
Speaker 3: ten Country. I've been watching Marvin Harrison Junior for a
Speaker 3: while now, and I'm just like bowled over by how
Speaker 3: good he is. I mean, he's he's got a Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame dad, and Marvin Harrison is like bigger, faster,
Speaker 3: you know, amazing ball skills, underrated route running ability. It's
Speaker 3: not like he's any slouch there. I think he's just
Speaker 3: gonna hit the ground running in September. And I mean
Speaker 3: I think he's top ten for redrafts honestly or maybe
Speaker 3: just out. I think I might have him as my
Speaker 3: wide receiver eleven. But like he's gonna make an impact
Speaker 3: right away, and I like him more than neighbors. Like
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that close between those two neighbors
Speaker 3: is really really good. But you know, I don't think
Speaker 3: there's any argument that neighbor is better. I know that
Speaker 3: there are reports that there are some NFL teams that
Speaker 3: have neighbors ranked higher. Like if I was an owner
Speaker 3: and I heard that, I would fire my entire scouting department.
Speaker 2: Oh, I completely disagree with you. I one percent disagree.
Speaker 1: I neigh I was gonna I was gonna bring up
Speaker 1: too deepro fits. And I taped with him just yesterday
Speaker 1: on the main feed, not the Dynasty show, and he
Speaker 1: had Neighbors ahead of Harrison in his rankings. Would you
Speaker 1: go so far as to have that Bogman or you
Speaker 1: just think it's a lot closer than I.
Speaker 2: I don't. I gotta be honest, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I put them so close to each other that it's
Speaker 2: like if someone took Neighbors ahead of Harrison, I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it, but I do have right now, I
Speaker 2: have Harrison one. But it's just Malik Neighbors. Is that
Speaker 2: they're both so good, and it's just like the stop
Speaker 2: and start speed and the way that Neighbors breaks out
Speaker 2: of his routes and doesn't slow down. It reminds me
Speaker 2: so much of Antonio Brown, and I watch a lot
Speaker 2: of it Tonio Brown, right, and I haven't seen many
Speaker 2: guys like him. I think the thing that Antonio Brown
Speaker 2: still has done better than anyone I've ever seen is
Speaker 2: the hand usage. He and not getting flags for the
Speaker 2: hand usage either is kind of crazy from him. So
Speaker 2: that is a learned thing that you know maybe these
Speaker 2: guys will develop, but I love Harrison. He's so much
Speaker 2: of a guarantee. That's why I had him at one one.
Speaker 2: But I also love Neighbors. It makes it. And this
Speaker 2: is the real reason I put myself at one is
Speaker 2: because I don't know what I want to do with
Speaker 2: four depending on what you do at three, So I'm
Speaker 2: like putting myself to the test in this mark.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to go one. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think three is actually really interesting. I think Kayley
Speaker 1: Williams one and Marvin Harrison Junior two will be the
Speaker 1: most common start to every rookie draft out there. There
Speaker 1: will be some that maybe are slightly different, but I
Speaker 1: think that will be the most common start. So three
Speaker 1: as of right now, and I'm not sure if this
Speaker 1: is going to change, even if the other guy goes
Speaker 1: higher than him. On draft day, I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: Drake May over Jane Daniels. I know, given the running
Speaker 1: ability that Daniels has become very popular as the number
Speaker 1: three pick in sort of the early super flex rookie mocks.
Speaker 1: I'm enamored with May. I think he would be a
Speaker 1: very easy number one overall pick in other years where
Speaker 1: there wasn't a Caleb Williams. I know that he didn't
Speaker 1: have the greatest final season at UNC. I think he
Speaker 1: was not given a lot to work with, both in
Speaker 1: terms of the players around him and the offense he
Speaker 1: was playing in.
Speaker 2: I think it natural ability is amazing.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying at all in terms of he's as good as
Speaker 1: his player. He reminds me of CJ. Stroud in terms
Speaker 1: of the narrative going into rookie drafts last year. Was
Speaker 1: at the start of the season, he was up there.
Speaker 1: It was like Bryce Young CJ. Stroud, and then as
Speaker 1: the season went on, as draft season went on, he
Speaker 1: started to fall. And you know, guy's like Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 1: the uber athletic freak kind of overtook him. In a
Speaker 1: lot of rookie drafts, you could get c J. Stroud
Speaker 1: at like one oh four. I got him at one
Speaker 1: oh six in a super flex draft last year. In
Speaker 1: in terms of these rookie drafts, I see May starting
Speaker 1: to follow a bit as well. He's not falling for me.
Speaker 1: I really like him. Even if Daniels goes two overall
Speaker 1: and Dre falls to three or four or wherever. I
Speaker 1: think I was still like May better in terms of
Speaker 1: my fantasy drafting.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that, Bogman? So in terms
Speaker 2: of fantasy, I think I have I'm gonna have Jane
Speaker 2: Daniels ahead of Drake May depending on the landing spot. Honestly,
Speaker 2: whoever lands in Washington is going to be my two
Speaker 2: because of Cliff Kingsbury in that system. So, but the
Speaker 2: running up side is so big now He's not, you know,
Speaker 2: guaranteed to be a hit like I thought Lamar was
Speaker 2: because Lamar did it for multiple seasons, right, Jane Daniels
Speaker 2: started for multiple seasons, but he only looked really good
Speaker 2: when he got Brian Thomas and Malik Neighbors, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was a big part of that, but so were
Speaker 2: those guys. So I just think the rushing upside for
Speaker 2: Daniels is too big, especially if he lands in Washington,
Speaker 2: which is now I guess he's the betting favorite. But this, like,
Speaker 2: it's funny because I feel like we get more clear
Speaker 2: after we get out of the top four or five
Speaker 2: picks here in terms of how I would rank the players.
Speaker 2: So to me, this top because it's so much talent.
Speaker 2: They're all so good, and there's so many different opinions.
Speaker 2: I mean, FITZI, you don't like Malik as much as
Speaker 2: you like Marvin. There's a lot of people that have
Speaker 2: that same mindset. But there's also a lot of people
Speaker 2: that like Rome over both of them, which is kind
Speaker 2: of crazy to me too, and I like Rome a lot,
Speaker 2: so to me, this top is so interchangeable. It's so
Speaker 2: close because I do think Drake May is more guaranteed
Speaker 2: to come in and light the world on fire than
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels. So that's why you know, if he lands
Speaker 2: in Washington, I will have him over Daniels, even with
Speaker 2: Daniels rushing upside, because the system fit is great. He
Speaker 2: can run a little bit. He's gonna be throwing the
Speaker 2: ball a ton in Washington. But if Daniels lands there,
Speaker 2: I think I got to take the rushing upside. So
Speaker 2: the landing spot is huge for those two guys, which
Speaker 2: is kind of crazy because so good but fitsy. What
Speaker 2: do you think of Drake May over Daniels.
Speaker 3: I agree with it, actually, And I think Drake May's
Speaker 3: running ability is really undersold, Like he is an aggressive runner,
Speaker 3: and I think he's got the body type that is
Speaker 3: going to hold up better to NFL punishment, the sort
Speaker 3: of punishment you get as a running quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 3: Whereas I'm kind of worried about Daniels and how long
Speaker 3: and lanky he is and the overall sustainability of his
Speaker 3: business model in the NFL, because if it is Jade
Speaker 3: Daniels going to Washington, like I, you know, as a
Speaker 3: Washington fan, I would not want to be seeing my
Speaker 3: quarterback taking these big shots from Micah Parsons and Kevon
Speaker 3: Thibodeau NonStop, you know, and like we saw too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and man, like, I forget who used the term. It
Speaker 3: might have been one of the Ringer guys who uh
Speaker 3: said that Jade Daniels says a little Johnny Knoxville in him,
Speaker 3: Like he he is taking some bumps that you don't
Speaker 3: want to see him take.
Speaker 2: So I think that might have been Nate Tice who said.
Speaker 3: That okay athletic, okay, yeah, so yeah that I get
Speaker 3: it too. When you watch Jayden Daniels play like he
Speaker 3: takes some shots that you don't want your quarterback taken.
Speaker 3: May is also just so good on the deep ball.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he hit like a long pass
Speaker 3: on like five point seven percent of his dropbacks last year.
Speaker 3: Like he's really good with the arm, Like he can
Speaker 3: make throws at every level of the field. Like I
Speaker 3: think May is a terrific prospect who is getting maybe
Speaker 3: a little overshadowed just because he's got company at the top,
Speaker 3: But like any other year, most other years, he's he's
Speaker 3: one on one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm an NFL franchise, May is my guy
Speaker 2: over Daniels. Not real close, but for fantasy, it's get
Speaker 2: that rushing upside. What if Daniels is in Washington and
Speaker 2: May is in New England? Does that change your mind
Speaker 2: at all? Or is it just take into what you
Speaker 2: see on.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the uh and it's so funny
Speaker 3: to say this based on the Patriots past success, but
Speaker 3: Washington does have a much better infrastructure for a quarterback
Speaker 3: to walk into, There's no question about it. But I
Speaker 3: would still prefer May even if he winds up in
Speaker 3: New England.
Speaker 1: My dream scenario, and I don't know how likely it is,
Speaker 1: and obviously it's not really what Thor and deebra are
Speaker 1: predicting on the NFL Draft Show, but my dream scenario
Speaker 1: is that Minnesota trades up and it's surprised not for McCarthy,
Speaker 1: but it's for May instead.
Speaker 2: And I've you know, not gonn Home. I just want
Speaker 2: to see Thor. You just want to see Thor get mad?
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's an added added bonus here. So I'm
Speaker 1: going May three, Bogman. That's kind of already established that.
Speaker 1: You know, Daniels, you know, it's kind of the four
Speaker 1: pick here. So if it's I'm curious at five the
Speaker 1: guy that you're going to take, is he something that
Speaker 1: you would have considered over May or Daniels or do
Speaker 1: you think those two quarterbacks in whatever order, are the
Speaker 1: right picks at three and four.
Speaker 3: I think they're the right picks of three or four.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna take Malik Neighbors here. And so just
Speaker 3: because I think Marvin Harrison is better than Malik Neighbors
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I'm not super high on Neighbors. I
Speaker 3: think he's a can't miss star. I just think, you know,
Speaker 3: if I were assessing their Canton possibilities, I'd put Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison at like fifty to fifty and maybe Malik Neighbors
Speaker 3: at thirty five sixty five or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's fair too. And look, you know,
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is a stud. I'm not sitting here telling
Speaker 2: you you shouldn't like Marvin. Marvin Harrison's amazing, you know.
Speaker 2: I just think Malik is right up there with him,
Speaker 2: that's all. And that's four is tough for me too,
Speaker 2: because you have to take Daniels in super flex in
Speaker 2: my opinion, Yeah, but I could. I love Malik, so
Speaker 2: you know, just the logic to me says you've got
Speaker 2: to lean quarterback in those scenarios. That's why I went
Speaker 2: with Caleb and went with Jaden. But Malik is such
Speaker 2: a good pick here. Now I think there's one more
Speaker 2: pick and then it starts to open up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, can we just remark about
Speaker 3: the like, what a great year this is to be
Speaker 3: picking like one O four, one O five, one oh six,
Speaker 3: whereas most years like things start to get a little
Speaker 3: old shakier after the first two or three.
Speaker 2: I include one O seven in that as well.
Speaker 1: And in fact, yeah, yeah, I would actually say, because
Speaker 1: I'm up here at six, I think this is the
Speaker 1: first spot in the draft where the landing spot actually
Speaker 1: might flip the next two guys, because I think it's
Speaker 1: very clearly one of brock Bauers, a Roma Dunsa and
Speaker 1: I think if, like, if one of them goes to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and has paired up with Justin Herbert, and
Speaker 1: the other one goes to New York and has paired
Speaker 1: up with you know, to the Giants, and it's paired
Speaker 1: up with Daniel Jones, that might be enough to kind
Speaker 1: of flip who I prefer. I'm gonna go with Bowers
Speaker 1: just because of the uniqueness of having sort of an
Speaker 1: elite tight end. I know it didn't work out with
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, but you know, I'm not gonna hold that
Speaker 1: against the next kind of elite guy to come along,
Speaker 1: and it does seem like he's very likely to end
Speaker 1: up in a good spot. Maybe it's with you know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, maybe it's with Herbert.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's somebody else.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I very very easily you
Speaker 1: could ask me tomorrow and I might say Adunsay. I
Speaker 1: am head over heels with Adunza as well. To me,
Speaker 1: the top seven in this in this class is very
Speaker 1: very clear. I think number eight is clear as well,
Speaker 1: but he is a clear eight for me. But between
Speaker 1: six and seven it's gonna be the way I kind
Speaker 1: of see it is. I think one and two is
Speaker 1: a tier. I think three, four, five is a tier,
Speaker 1: and I think six and seven is a tier. You might,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of, you know, bicker with me about
Speaker 1: where those tier lines actually are, but either way, I
Speaker 1: do think it's the top seven. I'm going with Bowers today.
Speaker 1: I could easily go with with Odunzay tomorrow. I love
Speaker 1: them both.
Speaker 2: It's funny that you mentioned that, because I mean, what
Speaker 2: you'll get in your drafts if you are you know,
Speaker 2: you're already in the league that's established, and you're drafting
Speaker 2: in this spot six, seven, eight. It's really going to
Speaker 2: depend on what the h the manager needs at this spot, right.
Speaker 2: It's not You're never really gonna see a hard and
Speaker 2: fast BPA. We can't all be the Baltimore Ravens right
Speaker 2: and just sit and take the best player available, regardless
Speaker 2: of whether he's a need on my team or not,
Speaker 2: and just play him when you need him. Most people
Speaker 2: want their points right now. They want their points right now,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna see interchanging things here in this spot.
Speaker 2: I am gonna take Roma Dunsa at seven, the wide
Speaker 2: receiver out of Washington, over JJ McCarthy, even in a
Speaker 2: super Flex, just because the landing spot is still way
Speaker 2: up in the air for McCarthy. I mean, if the
Speaker 2: Giants take him, and now Daniel Jones is the starter
Speaker 2: but probably gonna end up being McCarthy at some point.
Speaker 2: What happens if Daniel Jones is just good again after
Speaker 2: coming off of this ACL and having some rest time,
Speaker 2: and then obviously they would want to trade him the
Speaker 2: next year because they don't really like him, it seems like,
Speaker 2: But is McCarthy gonna get any playing time? I know,
Speaker 2: Rome steps into wherever he goes and he starts to day,
Speaker 2: So for that reason at seven, I'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: take Roma Duneesa. But it is it is kind of
Speaker 2: a tough choice for me, knowing the quarterbacks are worth
Speaker 2: more to super Flex, so I'll let FITZI make that decision.
Speaker 2: Next to where you going fits, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I guess I have to take the Michigan quarterback
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, you know, and like he's uh, he's been
Speaker 3: a tough evaluation and it was last well, the fall
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, where I kind of wonder to
Speaker 3: myself if he was going to be considered a Day
Speaker 3: one or Day two NFL prospect because he was used
Speaker 3: so sparingly, you know, like if averaging twenty three to
Speaker 3: twenty four pass attempts per game for a team that
Speaker 3: had a great defense and a great running game. So
Speaker 3: but yeah, like the tools are there. It's an NFL
Speaker 3: caliber arm for sure. Andy's mobile and he's got you know,
Speaker 3: pretty prototypical NFL size, So I totally get it. I
Speaker 3: don't agree with Thor who likes him more than Drake May,
Speaker 3: but I understand why he is a first round NFL
Speaker 3: pick and pretty much a slam dunk to be taken
Speaker 3: in the first what twelve picks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he at this point, he's definitely
Speaker 2: going top ten.
Speaker 1: And I think it's super flex drafts too, Like he
Speaker 1: he's going to be the eighth pick in a lot
Speaker 1: of leagues, because I don't it'll be very hard to
Speaker 1: make the case for him over those elite seven options.
Speaker 2: But in super flex, if he's a guy who's going.
Speaker 1: In the top twelve picks in the NFL draft, it's
Speaker 1: there's such a drop off.
Speaker 2: Then I think to the rest that I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be hard to pass on him.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you about that where I'm like, say,
Speaker 3: you know Thor's wishes are granted, and JJ McCarthy does
Speaker 3: wind up in Minnesota and now he's throwing to Jefferson
Speaker 3: and Addison and eventually TJ. Hockinson like, you don't think
Speaker 3: maybe he passes up hours and saying a lot of
Speaker 3: drafts kid you not.
Speaker 2: I was about to ask you the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: Does he go higher than eight if he's throwing to
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Jorn Addison in Kevin O'Connell's offense.
Speaker 2: I think the answer is probably yes.
Speaker 1: Like certainly in super flex, I think there will just
Speaker 1: I think there's very likely to be teams that have
Speaker 1: a need at quarterback and therefore what they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: take him over like a brock Bowers, because they'll say, listen,
Speaker 1: I just I it's super flexed. It's not tight end premium.
Speaker 1: I need the QB, even with a tight end who's
Speaker 1: as as talented as Bower. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: he gets into light the top four picks in super
Speaker 1: flex drafts, but but I do think he could go
Speaker 1: in that seven, six, maybe even as high as five,
Speaker 1: depending on how badly a quarterbacks needed.
Speaker 3: We're gonna see him go ahead of May in some drafts.
Speaker 3: If May goes to New England's That's what I was.
Speaker 2: About to ask you fits, Yeah, like, well, let's flip
Speaker 2: it though. Let's say May goes to Washington Jane Daniels
Speaker 2: in New England where we know like he's gonna have
Speaker 2: to do a lot himself because the wide receivers are
Speaker 2: not great. Or do you want McCarthy and O'Connell's system.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm pretty I'm pretty steadfast in my ranking of
Speaker 3: Caleb May, Jane Daniels, and JJ McCarthy. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: landing spot could move me off that, okay, but I
Speaker 3: will say New England versus Minnesota, Fort Daniels and McCarthy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that'll make me think twice about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, worm, you're up for the first. Uh,
Speaker 2: non obvious.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, this is the reason why
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be picking third is not because
Speaker 1: of three and six.
Speaker 2: It's because of nine.
Speaker 1: And even with that, like Diet Tribe on what we
Speaker 1: would do with McCarthy, Like I saw not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure, I think just for I think I think
Speaker 1: this is where it's gonna get really landing spot dependent, right. Sure,
Speaker 1: for a while I have been very high on Troy Franklin.
Speaker 1: I am not out on Troy Franklin, but I don't
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know this early part of the
Speaker 1: draft process has been that kind to him. We've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of like talk about
Speaker 1: how Brian Thomas, like in a lot of people's eyes,
Speaker 1: is the clear wide receiver for in this class. Obviously
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, you know, broke the record running the forty
Speaker 1: yard dash. You know, it's I'm not going to take
Speaker 1: a running back here, and obviously this is not a
Speaker 1: spot for quarterback or a tight end, you know, amongst
Speaker 1: the guys who are left. So it's definitely gonna be
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. And I think there's a strong case
Speaker 1: to be made for like any of like five of them.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take the speed and I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: Worthy here. But really like Thomas, like ad and I
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin, like Kean Coleman, like you could you could
Speaker 1: convince me on a given day of the order being
Speaker 1: different on a lot of those guys. I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to go with the speed and just take Worthy and
Speaker 1: assume that he gets in a really nice landing spot
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round with it with
Speaker 1: a ready made quarterback and a team that is ready
Speaker 1: to use him and win.
Speaker 2: Now, I obviously I love that pick of Xavier Yeah, Texas,
Speaker 2: guy's going high. I like to see him going in
Speaker 2: the first round. And NFL mock drafts, I like to
Speaker 2: see him going first round and fantasy mock drafts. Fits.
Speaker 2: Is that what you do is worthy of your guy here?
Speaker 2: Or would you take somebody else?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: And I don't hate the pick, but I would have
Speaker 3: taken someone else.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh? Is that guy the guy that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take here? Is that Brian Thomas from LSU?
Speaker 3: That is probably the direction I would have gone.
Speaker 1: I will say those were the two I was ultimately between,
Speaker 1: was Thomas and Worthy.
Speaker 2: It's the size, man, You know that that is difference
Speaker 2: here and the long, speed and landing spot is gonna
Speaker 2: matter for all of these guys. You know, Xavier Worthy
Speaker 2: in Kansas City is way different than Xavier Worthy in
Speaker 2: New England, of course, you know, or Carolina or wherever.
Speaker 2: You know, they struggle with QB play. But I think
Speaker 2: that a lot of these guys might be QB proof.
Speaker 2: I don't think they are. I don't think every guy
Speaker 2: is going to be. And obviously there's going to be
Speaker 2: a bust in here somewhere among all of these wide outs,
Speaker 2: but it's hard to see where the bus is going
Speaker 2: to be. There so much talent. So I think Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy at Night Mitchell I would throw in fits
Speaker 2: I know would throw key On coleme in this group
Speaker 2: as well. Not everybody would, but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: wide receivers that are in this range here that are
Speaker 2: very very good.
Speaker 3: Well you set me up nicely, bugs, because I am
Speaker 3: going to go with Keon Coleman here, and yeah, there,
Speaker 3: it is a very tough group. But I am a
Speaker 3: Keon Coleman guy, and I know you've got my back
Speaker 3: on this, Bogs, but I had to defend this when
Speaker 3: I took Keon Coleman at maybe it was like one
Speaker 3: ten in that draft that we did with the Player
Speaker 3: Profiler guys yesterday. Deebro doesn't like Keon Coleman, and I
Speaker 3: think Thor is sort of lukewarm on him, But look,
Speaker 3: I realized he's not going to be an elite separator.
Speaker 3: But he is the same kind of wide receiver that
Speaker 3: Des Bryant was for the Cowboys, that Mike Evans has
Speaker 3: been for the Buccaneers, maybe sort of that George Pickens
Speaker 3: is right now for the Steelers. He is a guy
Speaker 3: with extraordinary ball skills and size. I mean he is
Speaker 3: a rebounder and he was literally a rebounder because he
Speaker 3: played basketball for Tom Izzo at Michigan State in his
Speaker 3: first two years in college before transferring to Florida State.
Speaker 3: I know, the four six ' two he ran at
Speaker 3: the combine is going to be off putting to some people,
Speaker 3: but when the wide receivers were doing the gauntlet drill,
Speaker 3: he had the top speed. He hit twenty point seven
Speaker 3: miles an hour. No one, not even the Burners at
Speaker 3: NI Mitchell xavior Worthy hit that speed and Coleman looked
Speaker 3: silky smooth running that. This guy's got good hands. I mean,
Speaker 3: he can just pluck balls outside the frame of his
Speaker 3: body and he can't be that slow. Guys, because he
Speaker 3: was returning ponts at Florida State. If you're worried about
Speaker 3: a guy's speed, you're not putting him back there to
Speaker 3: return ponts, and Kean Coleman was doing that for the
Speaker 3: Seminoles at his final college season.
Speaker 2: He looks smooth with the ball in his hands, too, like,
Speaker 2: and look, you know, there's plenty of guys that have
Speaker 2: size and no speed and that doesn't translate to the NFL,
Speaker 2: right like, but I think those guys are I think
Speaker 2: I think Coleman is more of a Michael Pittman. He's
Speaker 2: more of a Drake London. He's a big wide receiver
Speaker 2: that has enough speed and you really don't even need
Speaker 2: that speed at that size, right you have to have
Speaker 2: the good catch radius, which he also has. So I'm
Speaker 2: in on Kean Coleman as well. I think it's a
Speaker 2: very very solid pick here Fits I like it.
Speaker 1: You know that Fits wasn't on the last mock draft
Speaker 1: episode we did because I believe I got Kean Coleman
Speaker 1: at like two oh five in that one, so he
Speaker 1: would not.
Speaker 2: Have fallen there with Fits here.
Speaker 1: And really, like I said, I know, I was like
Speaker 1: kind of hemming and hauling about my pick like worthy
Speaker 1: Thomas Kean Coleman. If you if we just like put
Speaker 1: those guys names in a hat and drew them out randomly,
Speaker 1: and we just took that order instead. I'd be fine
Speaker 1: with it, Like I really, they all bring something different
Speaker 1: to the table. And again, I think landing spot's gonna
Speaker 1: be really crucial with this whole stretch of receivers. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take another receiver wrapt things up. I'll take Ady
Speaker 1: Mitchell and another Texas guy just you know, athletic freak,
Speaker 1: you know, high upside play. I'll be really curious to
Speaker 1: see where he lands. But this is still this is
Speaker 1: the range where I might, if I really had a
Speaker 1: strong need, think to myself, whoever I think RB one is,
Speaker 1: maybe I would consider if I really needed it, you know,
Speaker 1: in a real draft. But as a mock, I'm just
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these running backs. As much
Speaker 1: as I think some of them can be really nice
Speaker 1: role players, I just don't think any of them are
Speaker 1: worth taking over any of these, you know, stretch of
Speaker 1: four or five Tier two wide receivers.
Speaker 2: So I'll go with Mitchell here.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, on a different day, it could
Speaker 1: be one of these other couple of guys and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be upset about it. Let me give a quick
Speaker 1: recap here of round one. Caleb Williams one oh one,
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior one oh two, Drake May one O three,
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels one O four, Milik Neighbors one oh five,
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers one oh six, Roma Dunsay one oh seven,
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy one oh eight. Not a ton of shocks there,
Speaker 1: and then at one o nine Xavier Worthy won ten,
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas one eleven, key On Coleman one twelve eighty,
Speaker 1: Mitchell bobbing. What are your quick thoughts on Mitchell?
Speaker 2: I mean, Mitchell, I like you, and I think Fitz
Speaker 2: and I kind of had a fight over the Texas
Speaker 2: guys too, because he couldn't believe I wasn't higher on
Speaker 2: Worthy than Mitchell. But I think Mitchell is more ready
Speaker 2: to go right now. I think Worthy's also ready to go, guys.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's like gonna be a slouch or anything,
Speaker 2: but I think Worthy has more upside. So if you're
Speaker 2: playing for longer, you know, you maybe you're not gonna
Speaker 2: win this year or the following year, but then year
Speaker 2: three you're gonna start hitting your stride because you're rebuilding
Speaker 2: or whatever. In that situation, I take Worthy if I
Speaker 2: want to win today and again, landing spot will make
Speaker 2: the difference between these two guys because you know, you're
Speaker 2: a different player if you're in New England versus if
Speaker 2: you're in Kansas City, Right. But I think Mitchell is
Speaker 2: ready to go today. I think he's ready to score
Speaker 2: touchdowns today. I think he's ready to be more than
Speaker 2: you know a guy, because like they're gonna take Worthy
Speaker 2: off on rundowns, Like if he goes to the Ravens,
Speaker 2: you know he's not gonna see every snap. He's gonna
Speaker 2: see a lot of snaps, but not every They're not
Speaker 2: going to put him in a position to block every
Speaker 2: single time. So it just depends on Landing spot between
Speaker 2: those guys. But I think Mitchell is more ready to
Speaker 2: play every single snap and do everything right now.
Speaker 1: So Mitchell, I like just a little bit more fits
Speaker 1: Mitchell in the first round, even with the last pick.
Speaker 1: Do you like it or pro con?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like it. I mean I like both guys.
Speaker 3: The only thing, like I'd push back on the idea
Speaker 3: that Worthy is less ready to go. I think he's
Speaker 3: more ready to go because he's the better route runner,
Speaker 3: you know, Like it's Worthy is a really good route runner,
Speaker 3: Like he totally reminds me of DeVante Smith as a
Speaker 3: really slightly framed wide receiver who's just silky with the
Speaker 3: route running and the ability to you know, separate and.
Speaker 2: Get off the line too, better than I remembered when
Speaker 2: I went back and watched him. He is more ready
Speaker 2: than I thought initially. But I still think that. I
Speaker 2: just think, like, you know, of the downs, like you're
Speaker 2: not gonna ask. It's like Mike Tomlin said, they asked
Speaker 2: him a long time ago, are you gonna let Chris
Speaker 2: Rainey block? He's like, usually you don't want to tell
Speaker 2: your boat with your ferrari, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: so they're not gonna make him block that much depending
Speaker 2: on where he goes. If it's a team that runs
Speaker 2: a lot and they need a player like Worthy to
Speaker 2: stretch the field, you just can see the field less
Speaker 2: than Mitchell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get it, Like the weight is the way.
Speaker 3: It's a little concerning. No one wants to draft Tevon
Speaker 3: Austin the sequel, right.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, or to two at well a more you
Speaker 2: know recent reference there.
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Speaker 1: let's go into round two. Bogman, you are up at
Speaker 1: the two to one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm between three players here, but I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with the one I think is probably more of a
Speaker 2: Lockport success than the other two. And that's Troy Franklin,
Speaker 2: the wide receiver out of Oregon. And I know he
Speaker 2: lost a little bit of stock because he wobbled in
Speaker 2: his gauntlet drill, didn't run a straight line. But that's
Speaker 2: also you're not catching six balls in one line when
Speaker 2: you're playing a real football game, So you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. This is the part of the drills that
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest fan of at the combine because
Speaker 2: we let one thing in the weight a little bit too.
Speaker 2: He came in under size of one seventy six, but
Speaker 2: he had the flu going in and he came into
Speaker 2: his pro day eight pounds heavier at one eighty four.
Speaker 2: So he is tall, he is skinny, I get it,
Speaker 2: which maybe you know, pushes him off of the group
Speaker 2: of you know, Ady and Xavier Worthy and all those guys.
Speaker 2: But I still think Troy Franklin's a stud. I think
Speaker 2: wherever he winds up, he's going to be everything that
Speaker 2: you wanted out of Gabe Davis. I think you'll get
Speaker 2: from Troy Franklin, and more so he is guaranteed here
Speaker 2: wide receiver is deep. I don't necessarily want to take
Speaker 2: a wide receiver, but he's the end of a tier
Speaker 2: for me, so I'm gonna take him right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fits, I really like Troy Franklin. Like I said,
Speaker 1: there was a time when I was taking him at
Speaker 1: the one o nine. I could see myself getting back there,
Speaker 1: you know, within the next month before actual rookie drafts
Speaker 1: are coming.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the pick here?
Speaker 3: Not gonna lie. I dropped him quite a bit after
Speaker 3: the combine. It just like didn't get what we were
Speaker 3: hoping for from him in the forty and you know,
Speaker 3: as I joked on this smock draft we did yesterday,
Speaker 3: like on that gauntlet drill, he looked like me coming
Speaker 3: out of the bars when I was an undergraduate at Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like I'm I don't know, I'm not burying
Speaker 3: him like I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I've learned the lesson from the Kyne Williams combine of
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, where I don't want to
Speaker 3: write off a guy just because he disappoints with his
Speaker 3: forty time and drills, So don't want to write him off,
Speaker 3: but yet like in such a wide receiver rich draft,
Speaker 3: it just kind of that broke the tie for me.
Speaker 3: Like after the top three guys and maybe Brot and
Speaker 3: Thomas at four, like there were five or six or
Speaker 3: seven guys I had really close together in the combine.
Speaker 3: To help me sort those guys.
Speaker 1: Out fits, I want to go, you know, I want
Speaker 1: credit for the fact that I did to make a
Speaker 1: joke about you graduating from Wisconsin in the forties. So
Speaker 1: I just want you to appreciate the kindness that I
Speaker 1: was doing to you.
Speaker 2: But not not appreciate it. That what a kind guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how I describe you when someone's like, how is
Speaker 2: working with worm? And I'm like, just he's so kind.
Speaker 2: Won't make jokes about how old you are at all? No,
Speaker 2: not once fits. He's your next pick.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be Lad McConkie, the wide receiver from Georgia.
Speaker 3: Just like a guy who really helped himself in the
Speaker 3: postseason with his senior ball performance and his combine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess sort of the opposite of Troy Franklin in
Speaker 3: that regard, but like McConkie, Yeah, I know, he's never
Speaker 3: actually led the Georgia Bulldogs and receiving. But just you
Speaker 3: can see how he's gonna fit in the NFL. He's
Speaker 3: just such a smooth mover. His ability to quickly get
Speaker 3: off the line and get separation is going to make
Speaker 3: him pretty popular with whoever his quarterback is at the
Speaker 3: next level. So, like, I think he's a pretty pretty
Speaker 3: safe choice in the early second round.
Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: He was going to be my pick if he went
Speaker 1: one more you know spot here. He has done a
Speaker 1: lot in this draft process that has risen him in
Speaker 1: my estimation and in other estimations.
Speaker 2: I just I'm just very certain that he's going to
Speaker 2: be a quality player.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he ends up being in the
Speaker 1: long run in terms of how high the ceiling is.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a you know, so that low
Speaker 1: of a ceiling, but I am very confident with the
Speaker 1: floor I'm getting with his ability.
Speaker 2: Bogman, what do you think about mccacky. I like Lad mucaky.
Speaker 2: He is my next ranked wide receiver after Troy Franklin,
Speaker 2: so very very I mean, landing Spot's going to mean
Speaker 2: a lot to him because he's floating in the waters
Speaker 2: of like you know, he could either go to New
Speaker 2: England or Carolina, or he could end up in Washington
Speaker 2: where they're gonna pass the ball one hundred times a game,
Speaker 2: you know. So landing spot means a lot for Lad,
Speaker 2: probably more than some of those other guys. But he's
Speaker 2: still he's gonna be good regardless of landing spot. Lad
Speaker 2: is not the last wide receiver that I like. There's
Speaker 2: certainly plenty more that I do, but he was the
Speaker 2: last receiver that I needed to go off the board
Speaker 2: before I considered taking a running back. I am gonna
Speaker 2: finally break the seal on running backs. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with Jonathan Brooks, similar to the last stretch of receiver.
Speaker 1: By the way, another Longhorn. I am crushing it with
Speaker 1: drafting the Texas guys.
Speaker 2: And not me. Everybody, I didn't take one, you didn't
Speaker 2: leave one for me. I cannot be the one to
Speaker 2: take Jatavian Sanders. I need to. I need to break
Speaker 2: this streak, so somebody else please do it.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take Brooks. I think
Speaker 1: if he didn't get hurt, he would have been the
Speaker 1: RB one in the class. And there's no one else
Speaker 1: who has sort of usurped that title, you know, in
Speaker 1: his in his injury related absence.
Speaker 2: For however, you wanted to find that.
Speaker 1: There are other guys I like, There are other I'll
Speaker 1: probably take, you know, throughout the course of this mock draft,
Speaker 1: but Brooks for now is my RB one.
Speaker 2: We'll see where he ends up going in the actual
Speaker 2: NFL draft.
Speaker 1: Again, landing spot's gonna really matter, especially in this running
Speaker 1: back class where where there's so many kind of role
Speaker 1: players more so than obvious workhorse, you know, three down backs.
Speaker 1: There's a couple that could get there, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Brooks. And like I said, it's not that
Speaker 1: I don't like any of the other wide receivers. There's
Speaker 1: a lot I like, but I think now's the time
Speaker 1: to get a running back off the board fits.
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that like, I just can't rank him as
Speaker 3: my top running back because of the injury and knowing
Speaker 3: that his first year in the NFL could be something
Speaker 3: close to a red shirt year because he tore his
Speaker 3: ACL in November, and you figure he's not gonna be
Speaker 3: able to go through a full training camp like at
Speaker 3: best side work, it's you know, gonna be non contact stuff.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna play in preseason games, maybe starts the
Speaker 3: season on the pup list, and if he misses training
Speaker 3: camp then doesn't really get to fully process whatever system
Speaker 3: he gets thrust into. Are they going to trust him
Speaker 3: when he's like cleared in October or whenever that might be.
Speaker 3: So I'm a little leery about that, And you know,
Speaker 3: I just I don't know that it's a Beejeon Robinson
Speaker 3: Breise Hall type skill set that even with the injury,
Speaker 3: I'm putting him ahead of the other guys. So, yes,
Speaker 3: he's one of these six or seven guys who I
Speaker 3: think are in the running for top running back in
Speaker 3: this class, but he would not be in my number one.
Speaker 1: Would you have gone with whoever your RB one is
Speaker 1: in that spot or do you think it's still an
Speaker 1: area where you go at a different position and continue
Speaker 1: to kick the RB can down the road.
Speaker 3: I would not consider running back in the top fifteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's interesting. JB's my guy, by the way,
Speaker 2: that is my number one running back. Obviously, I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit of a Texas Homer, but I think with Brooks,
Speaker 2: he's kind of the McCarthy of running packs right, like
Speaker 2: he was just buried. He was behind road Shann, He's
Speaker 2: behind Bejeon. So we just didn't see him until he
Speaker 2: got work in twenty twenty three. And when he got
Speaker 2: work he was awesome. He was so good. I wasn't
Speaker 2: even sure as a Texas fan he's going to be
Speaker 2: the starter going into the season because Texas brought in
Speaker 2: Cedric Benson or I'm sorry Benson, not Benson, Cedric Baxter,
Speaker 2: my bad. But with Baxter, he was a huge recruit.
Speaker 2: He was a five star running back, right four star
Speaker 2: running back. So it was like, is he gonna get it?
Speaker 2: Is Brook's gonna get it because we hadn't seen a
Speaker 2: lot of Brooks, and Brooks blew him out of the water.
Speaker 2: He was so good. But the ACL entry all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Look here, for me, this would be whoever the Cowboys
Speaker 2: draft are running back, right, that is who I'd be
Speaker 2: taking in this spot, but we have no idea who
Speaker 2: that is. And their doctors, as Debro has mentioned many times,
Speaker 2: are the ones that did the surgery for Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 2: They're the ones that announced that he's probably gonna be
Speaker 2: ready for a little bit of training camp or he
Speaker 2: has a possibility, a shot to be ready for training camp.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna skip running back here again and kick
Speaker 2: that can down the road. Like Fit said he would,
Speaker 2: I to take Michael Pennox Junior, the quarterback out of Washington,
Speaker 2: because it's super flex. I think that I think he
Speaker 2: has end spot of that second pick for the Raiders,
Speaker 2: you know, that pick in the second round in the forties.
Speaker 2: I think that is the lowest he could possibly go.
Speaker 2: I think if he ends up in Vegas, his stocks
Speaker 2: should be very high because it's Minshew behind him with
Speaker 2: Aidan O'Connell. I think he can pass those guys up
Speaker 2: pretty fast. Even though I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: like Gardner Minshew, I'm not a huge Minshew fan, and
Speaker 2: he has great targets if he ends up in Vegas. So,
Speaker 2: you know, quarterbacks are still the king in a super
Speaker 2: flex league. Their positional value makes them more valuable than
Speaker 2: they probably should be. And for that reason, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take Michael Pennox right here. Yeah, Fits, is that the
Speaker 2: right A? Is that the right quarterback to take?
Speaker 1: And B is this the right spot to take the
Speaker 1: fourth or the fifth quarterback off the board?
Speaker 3: Yes and yes, And he's got me scrambling because that
Speaker 3: was going to be my pick with this next one.
Speaker 3: Like I say, for a guy with his arm talent,
Speaker 3: and he's like, I'm pretty confident he's going to be
Speaker 3: picked somewhere in the first round of the NFL draft.
Speaker 3: So I think, like in drafts right now, Michael Pennix
Speaker 3: is going to go somewhere in the second round, you know,
Speaker 3: actual drafts that people do in dynasty leagues, the rare
Speaker 3: leagues that do their rookie draft before the NFL Draft,
Speaker 3: he's probably a second rounder. I think after the draft
Speaker 3: he's going to start to move up into the late
Speaker 3: first Like the arm talent is just so exquisite. I
Speaker 3: know we're looking for that mobility dimension in quarterbacks nowadays,
Speaker 3: but with Pennock's arm, like, there's no reason he can't
Speaker 3: be just a rock solid QB two in fantasy for
Speaker 3: years to come.
Speaker 1: So are you going to take sort of the last
Speaker 1: quarterback here that would you know that a pick?
Speaker 2: Or not?
Speaker 3: Not? A fan of the guy we're talking about, man
Speaker 3: like debating between a couple of the wide receivers who
Speaker 3: I sort of like, uh, but I actually am going
Speaker 3: to go with a running back in this spot. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go with my number one running back, Blake Korum
Speaker 3: of Michigan, and I just think he's the best pure
Speaker 3: runner in this class. Like, I know he's smaller, which
Speaker 3: some people aren't gonna like. And I know he's a
Speaker 3: little bit older as a prospect, which some people aren't
Speaker 3: gonna like. But man, like this dude just has contact,
Speaker 3: balance and vision and footwork and agility. And we saw
Speaker 3: it against Washington in the National Championship game.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't even know if you mentioned the best
Speaker 2: thing about him. The pile push. For a guy that's
Speaker 2: the ball well and he gets into a pile, he
Speaker 2: moves forward every time. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a mighty mouse. He did the bench
Speaker 3: press at the combine twenty seven times. Unbelievable, dude, that's
Speaker 3: he did twenty seven bench press reps at the combine.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he is an impressive dude. And I've heard
Speaker 3: comparisons to Ray Rice. I've heard comparisons to Doug Martin.
Speaker 3: You know, I hope he turns out a little closer
Speaker 3: to Ray Rice than Doug Martin, but you know, neither
Speaker 3: comp that bad, So I kind of agree with those
Speaker 3: comps like, I think Korm is terrific and you know,
Speaker 3: mid mid second round, I'm pretty happy with him that.
Speaker 1: Well, you didn't mention the other best part of him,
Speaker 1: which is that he's almost certainly going to be drafted
Speaker 1: by a Greg Roman led offense that doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of competition in the backfield.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that seem natural? Like would you Boggs? I know
Speaker 3: you mentioned how glorious Dallas would be as a landing
Speaker 3: spot for a rookie back and I totally agree. But
Speaker 3: where do you think Korm would be more valuable? With
Speaker 3: the Chargers or with the Cowboys?
Speaker 2: Probably with the Chargers because they're going to rebuild the
Speaker 2: You know that this is what Harbad does. They run
Speaker 2: the ball million times, So yeah, I mean probably he'd
Speaker 2: probably fit better and not have the learning curve isn't
Speaker 2: there for him, you know? So yeah, I think the
Speaker 2: Chargers probably are the better landing spot for him. I'm
Speaker 2: not convinced Dallas will pass him up though. You know,
Speaker 2: if JB isn't ready to go, they need somebody. Rico
Speaker 2: Daubdell is their number one right now because they just
Speaker 2: resigned him like two days ago, so it's him and
Speaker 2: Vaughn and everybody else has a running back pretty much
Speaker 2: everybody else in the NFL, So it's them, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know where the next running back is going
Speaker 2: to go. Was Philly before they signed Saquon. I don't
Speaker 2: know where the next running back comes off the board.
Speaker 1: The one the one thing I would ask about, though,
Speaker 1: quickly on that comparison with ray Rice fits is Korum
Speaker 1: the pass catcher that Rice was, because that was a
Speaker 1: big part of ray Rice's value was he was so
Speaker 1: good on those checkdown passes from Joe Flack. He had
Speaker 1: the famous like you know, fourth and twenty nine he
Speaker 1: converted against the Chargers, but he was a pretty significant
Speaker 1: part of their passing game.
Speaker 2: Has Korm really been that at Michigan?
Speaker 3: No, But like that's that hasn't been a big part
Speaker 3: of that offense. So like it's one of those things
Speaker 3: where maybe he's capable of doing it, but just wasn't
Speaker 3: asked to do it a lot in college.
Speaker 1: Okay, just making sure I wasn't forgetting anything there. I
Speaker 1: there's a wide receiver that I really like here, and
Speaker 1: there's also a running back that I really like here,
Speaker 1: and I am torn between the two. I think just
Speaker 1: because there are so many other receivers that I will
Speaker 1: like later. If this next guy doesn't fall to me again,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go at the running back. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Marshawn Lloyd, who I know DRO would be very
Speaker 1: proud to see go off the board here. I mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier that there's no you know, true like obvious three
Speaker 1: down workhorse back in this in this draft, I think
Speaker 1: Lloyd maybe he doesn't you know, get there in terms
Speaker 1: of like you know, being you know, super stud or
Speaker 1: you know, Bjon level or anything like that, but I
Speaker 1: think he has a similar skill set in that there's
Speaker 1: nothing that I believe he can't do well.
Speaker 2: I think he's a really well rounded player.
Speaker 1: I think that he was not maybe in the best
Speaker 1: offense to showcase a skill set at USC.
Speaker 2: But I just think he's really talented. I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw from him, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, with all the clips and stuff at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Again, Deebro you know or Coworker is a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Lloyd. I think he has him RB
Speaker 1: one as well. I really like getting him in the
Speaker 1: middle of the second round in these rookie drafts, and
Speaker 1: I know he's not your w one obviously his quorum
Speaker 1: is fits.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about Lloyd?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I like him, tough kid. There was
Speaker 3: some talk about that, like Theo Gremminger of Player Profiler
Speaker 3: was somewhat familiar with Lloyd's high school career and had
Speaker 3: some stories shit tell about that. Yeah, I like him
Speaker 3: a lot. I mean he's a guy who like Deebro
Speaker 3: and I have argued about several guys in this class,
Speaker 3: but Deebro really kind of talked me into Marshaun Lloyd
Speaker 3: and sort of opened my eyes to him so early
Speaker 3: in the uh, you know, the rookie process. I had
Speaker 3: him like toward the back of my top ten. Now
Speaker 3: I've got him at like I think RB four, RB five,
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's kind of winning me over.
Speaker 2: He's I was just.
Speaker 1: Gonna say quickly that I watched him a little in
Speaker 1: high school too, because he went to high school five
Speaker 1: minutes from the University of Maryland, and I was very
Speaker 1: much hoping that he would be a turpend and he
Speaker 1: was not.
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, Bogan. So I'm lower on Lloyd, and
Speaker 2: it's not because of his skill at all. I think
Speaker 2: he's great. I mean you can watch him at USC.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe he doesn't follow the block every single time,
Speaker 2: but I mean he gets all the yards that he
Speaker 2: possibly can on every play. So he is definitely a
Speaker 2: good player. He's just had a little bit of an
Speaker 2: injury history, so because of that, I wonder if the
Speaker 2: light workload at USC was partially because of that, because
Speaker 2: of his previous injury history. So he's a little bit
Speaker 2: further down my board, but if he can stay on
Speaker 2: the field, he can definitely be the best running back
Speaker 2: in this class because it's a little bit of a
Speaker 2: weaker class.
Speaker 1: The injury stuff is why I sort of stopped myself
Speaker 1: from say he could be that three down workhorse just
Speaker 1: just because of the durability. But I think skill set
Speaker 1: is why I'm such a fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's the skill set is there, like
Speaker 2: he is ready to be an NFL running back. It's
Speaker 2: just availability is the best ability. Yeah, the old scouting trope.
Speaker 2: So you know I have him at seven. All right,
Speaker 2: bog Wan, here's your next guy. Look, you haters have
Speaker 2: let this happen too much. Gimme Boonix the quarterback once again.
Speaker 2: It's super flex poise we're taking. We're taking some later
Speaker 2: wide receivers over a quarterback that is probably going to
Speaker 2: start at some point in twenty twenty three or twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Excuse me. And look, I saw in a
Speaker 2: mock draft the other day and I ended up doing
Speaker 2: it in my mock draft for itl in the war
Speaker 2: room as well. I could see him going as early
Speaker 2: as twelve to Denver because he fits the type of
Speaker 2: stuff that Sean Payton likes to do, and he has
Speaker 2: worked with quarterbacks with you know, maybe not a massive
Speaker 2: arm that's gonna bomb everything. You know, bon Nicks can
Speaker 2: still make the throws. He has mobility, and there's a
Speaker 2: possibility that he starts pretty quickly in the NFL, and
Speaker 2: quarterback is just a boosted value even for quarterbacks that
Speaker 2: aren't very good but are starting. So for me, give
Speaker 2: me bo Nicks in this spot because he's still on
Speaker 2: the board and he could be a starter this year.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's really like falling.
Speaker 1: This seems like about the right range later He's mid
Speaker 1: round two for a guy. I mean, I know it's
Speaker 1: super flex, but like how much value is there and
Speaker 1: having like the QB twenty four, like I just don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of There's so many good quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL right now that it's really hard for me
Speaker 1: personally to make the case for Bnicks, being like, well,
Speaker 1: top eighteen guy.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is that somebody is hoarding four
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in your league, right That's that's really the thing.
Speaker 2: Somebody is hoarding quarterbacks and wanting to, you know, bend
Speaker 2: you over the ben Erld to trade him to you.
Speaker 2: So sometimes you are forced to take one just because
Speaker 2: you know, even though he's QB twenty four, he's going
Speaker 2: to score more than wide receiver nine or ten a
Speaker 2: lot of weeks. So you know, it's just the it's
Speaker 2: the simple math. So the simple mass says he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna be starting at some point in twenty four, specifically
Speaker 2: if he's a first round pick. If he doesn't go
Speaker 2: in the first round, he is gonna lose value, and
Speaker 2: if he gets drafted behind someone established, he's gonna lose
Speaker 2: a lot of value. So but right now there's a
Speaker 2: little buzz of him possibly going to Denver, so I
Speaker 2: think I got to take him. Here fits very quick
Speaker 2: thoughts on Nicks, and then give me your pick here
Speaker 2: at two.
Speaker 3: Eight Yeah, Like, I don't know if I can see
Speaker 3: NFL star power with Bonnix, even if I squint really hard,
Speaker 3: But there is something to be said for how much
Speaker 3: playing experience he has under his belt in major college programs,
Speaker 3: And there's something to be said for that. We saw
Speaker 3: Rock Purdy who had played a lot in college, didn't
Speaker 3: have draft capital and was still able to come in
Speaker 3: and be a pretty effective NFL quarterback, maybe largely because
Speaker 3: he played so much in college. So yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: I agree, this is probably around the spot in the
Speaker 3: draft where Nicks should go, although if he is in
Speaker 3: fact draft in the first round, we're probably gonna start
Speaker 3: seeing him go in the top half of the second round.
Speaker 2: Of rookie drafts. And who are you taking next?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Ricky Piersall, And man, I don't know
Speaker 3: if this guy was really like in my top fifteen
Speaker 3: at rookie receiver before the postseason started, and like Piersaw,
Speaker 3: good route runner and good ball skills, but man, he
Speaker 3: just lit it up at the combine and I did
Speaker 3: not see that coming. Ran a four to four to
Speaker 3: one and had a forty two inch vertical jump forty
Speaker 3: two inches like this guy is way more athletic than
Speaker 3: I gave him credit for going into the off season,
Speaker 3: and so now he's actually got me pretty excited. I know,
Speaker 3: four really likes him. So a guy would not have
Speaker 3: seen as a second round pick a couple months ago,
Speaker 3: Now I think is a second round lock in most
Speaker 3: rookie drafts.
Speaker 2: Fits.
Speaker 1: I legitimately like almost cursed when you said his name,
Speaker 1: because I was I was so ready to take him.
Speaker 1: I was with seeing Lloyd and Pearsall with the last pick,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, he might actually get
Speaker 1: to be and I you know, I am a professional,
Speaker 1: so of course I held you know, I bit my tongue,
Speaker 1: but I starn it.
Speaker 2: I was very close to.
Speaker 1: Uh to letting loose with an expletive there, because I
Speaker 1: really wanted Pearsall.
Speaker 2: That he's a great pick. Bobin, what do you think,
Speaker 2: I love it? I mean Piersall, Uh, Piersall is kind
Speaker 2: of the end of a tier to me too. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's another wide receiver I like in this range. And
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of wide receivers too like also,
Speaker 2: but we're getting to the point where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: some of these running backs need to start coming off
Speaker 2: the board too, So uh, it just it depends on
Speaker 2: what you like and where your head's at. So I think,
Speaker 2: to me, I think he kind of opens up the
Speaker 2: board for you don't need to be mad. Now you
Speaker 2: can make a pick and it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: What's tricky for me here is there's still a lot
Speaker 1: of names that I like, but it's a lot of
Speaker 1: names where I feel like I should maybe be looking
Speaker 1: at more and like the early third than I am
Speaker 1: than I want to be looking at at like two
Speaker 1: oh nine.
Speaker 2: So it's like, do I reach on a guy that
Speaker 2: I like?
Speaker 1: I think you're right where peer salt to me was
Speaker 1: kind of the end of a tier a bit. You know,
Speaker 1: I was really high before the combine on Audric estimate,
Speaker 1: but obviously he, you know, has fallen out of favor
Speaker 1: after that experience. You know, somebody like Braylan Allen I
Speaker 1: was really high on early in the process. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know Cody, our friend we've mentioned a
Speaker 1: few times. You know, a carpeteer has is still very
Speaker 1: high on Allen and he took him I think as
Speaker 1: like the two to oh one or something. And when
Speaker 1: he came on to do the rookie draft with us,
Speaker 1: but it's just a lot of people who it's a
Speaker 1: lot of players where I'm not walking away from this
Speaker 1: pick being like wow, I have stoked that this guy
Speaker 1: got to me, whereas I would have probably felt that
Speaker 1: way with Piercel.
Speaker 2: I am just.
Speaker 1: Gonna go with Braylan Allen. I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: who he could fill a role for an NFL team.
Speaker 1: There might be more upside there if he stays a
Speaker 1: little bit healthier. I know fits as a Wisconsin van
Speaker 1: has talked about how he's a guy that kind of
Speaker 1: just comes off the field a lot and gets dinged up,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe more so than you would like from
Speaker 1: a guy from his size, but just very young guy, which.
Speaker 2: I do really like, especially at the running back position.
Speaker 1: So because I'm not in love with anybody, in the
Speaker 1: value of anybody at this point in the draft, and
Speaker 1: again there's only been three running backs to come off
Speaker 1: the board, I'll go ahead and take Braylan Allen here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it. Brahillan Allen is
Speaker 3: like two thirty five, might play as big as like
Speaker 3: two forty and actually moves really well, didn't run at
Speaker 3: the combine and elected not to run it as pro dan.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprised because I don't think he would
Speaker 3: have ran a slow time. But yeah, he does get
Speaker 3: dinged a little bit more often than you like, although
Speaker 3: he hasn't ever had anything major missignificant time. I think
Speaker 3: he's had more one hundred yard rushing games than any
Speaker 3: other running back in this class. And you mentioned it worm.
Speaker 3: Not only is he, I think the youngest running back
Speaker 3: in this class, he might be one of the youngest
Speaker 3: players at any position in this class. Like and man,
Speaker 3: you're you're not bringing this dude down with an arm tackle.
Speaker 3: But I guess the one reason why I'm not like
Speaker 3: super head over heels in love with him more so
Speaker 3: than you know, occasionally get nicked up a little bit
Speaker 3: is just that I don't see much pass catching potential here.
Speaker 3: And Wisconsin did involve him in the passing game a
Speaker 3: little bit, and he's got decent hands, but he's just
Speaker 3: not really fluid as a receiver. He doesn't, like, you know,
Speaker 3: gather the ball on the move and quickly turn it
Speaker 3: up field. He's just not the guy who's gonna win
Speaker 3: open space. So dynasty leagues are PPR leagues typically, and
Speaker 3: I think the PPR format is going to devalue Braylen
Speaker 3: Allen slightly in fantasy football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's really fair bogging. What
Speaker 2: do you think? Yeah? I think you know this is
Speaker 2: the keyon Coleman of running backs, right. Some people really
Speaker 2: like him, some people really don't like him. And to me,
Speaker 2: the past catching, it's it's just like Fitz said with
Speaker 2: korm it's just not something they asked him to do
Speaker 2: a lot. I don't know if he could do it
Speaker 2: or not because we just didn't see him do it
Speaker 2: a lot. So you know, maybe we'll see him do
Speaker 2: it more. But if he goes to the Chargers, right,
Speaker 2: probably not gonna ask him to catch the ball a lot.
Speaker 2: They're probably gonna run the ball a ton. So it
Speaker 2: really depends. It's the speed for me. You know, if
Speaker 2: you don't have speed in the league, you just can't
Speaker 2: get there. So I just don't know if he has it.
Speaker 2: He didn't run the forty times, and he has a
Speaker 2: good reason. He said, Hey, look I didn't run. I
Speaker 2: am one hundred percent, but I didn't have time to
Speaker 2: train for this event, so I don't want to go
Speaker 2: out there and put a bad time up. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent. Now, I'll just let my film
Speaker 2: talk and I think that will smart for him. So
Speaker 2: you know, he's still solidly above a lot of running
Speaker 2: backs in this class for me. But I do have
Speaker 2: him at like five, so you know, I'm just a
Speaker 2: little lower on him than a lot of people are.
Speaker 2: Bog when you're on the clock at two ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: give me Trey Benson. I'm not even the biggest Trey
Speaker 2: Benson fan. You know. We talked, I think in the
Speaker 2: last mock and I said, he runs a little upright.
Speaker 2: I watched a little more. It's not as bad as
Speaker 2: I thought. You know, I think sometimes there's a little
Speaker 2: dancing there, but he's got the long speed. I think
Speaker 2: he has enough bursts too. And if he ends up
Speaker 2: in a good spot, I want to see him end
Speaker 2: up somewhere where he could potentially take the job. I
Speaker 2: don't want him in Tampa, you know. I don't want
Speaker 2: him somewhere where he's definitely a number two. But if
Speaker 2: he ends up in a spot where he can take
Speaker 2: a job like put him on the Giants compete with
Speaker 2: Devin Singletary, I think that's a winnable job. You know what,
Speaker 2: I mean, so give him to Carolina. I think that's
Speaker 2: a winnable job from Miles Sanders and Chewba Hubbard. So
Speaker 2: if he ends up in one of those spots, I
Speaker 2: think his value is going to be very high. But
Speaker 2: if he ends up, you know, in Seattle and now
Speaker 2: he's behind charbon Ay and Kenneth Walker or something, I
Speaker 2: don't know when he sees the field. So landing spot
Speaker 2: means a lot for Trey Benson. But I still think
Speaker 2: he's top three or four on every team's board. So
Speaker 2: I think he's going to go higher than a lot
Speaker 2: of these other running backs, and he's going to be
Speaker 2: prioritized to get the ball in his hands. So that's
Speaker 2: why I have him in this spot. I like Benson.
Speaker 1: I could have made a case for him instead of
Speaker 1: Alan taking a running back in that spot fits quick
Speaker 1: thoughts on Benson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, another guy I'm not quite sure what to
Speaker 3: make of. I know Bogman has said he thinks sometimes
Speaker 3: Benson goes down a little too easily. Maybe I've I've
Speaker 3: seen a little bit of that too, But then again,
Speaker 3: like there are times where you watch him planet it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is an NFL running back, So I'm a little
Speaker 3: a little bit mixed on him. He's never been my one,
Speaker 3: but like I could see the case for it.
Speaker 2: And who do you have next?
Speaker 3: Boy, It's funny. I despise the University of Michigan football program,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna take my third Michigan Wolverine. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take Roman Wilson, a good speed receiver and a guy
Speaker 3: I think has helped himself in the off season process.
Speaker 3: And yeah, maybe he's I don't know if the games
Speaker 3: really compare, but maybe a guy who a La Nicocollins
Speaker 3: comes in a little under the radar because you know,
Speaker 3: the passing game is not prolific at the University of
Speaker 3: Michigan and winds up being a terrific player. So maybe
Speaker 3: Rum and Wilson could follow a similar path.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys think of the pick I'm
Speaker 1: about to make. I'm gonna say, Jalen Polk out of Washington.
Speaker 1: I think he's a very good wide receiver who would
Speaker 1: be getting more steam if he hadn't been kind of
Speaker 1: overshadowed by an elite wide receiver prospect in Roma Dunsay
Speaker 1: in Washington. The fact that he was the number two
Speaker 1: on his own team in college is not a reason
Speaker 1: to knock him when the number one is a guy
Speaker 1: like a Dunsay.
Speaker 2: So I really like Polk.
Speaker 1: I think he's another guy who could land where he's
Speaker 1: kind of being projected in mock drafts. I think he
Speaker 1: can land in a pretty good spot and step in
Speaker 1: and be a contributor right away. And again we're kind
Speaker 1: of in the section of the draft where it's more
Speaker 1: just kind of to each his own, like the you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: pick the guy you like. I like Polk, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna happily take him here at the very end of
Speaker 1: round two.
Speaker 2: Quick thoughts on Polk Bogman. Yeah, I like Polk.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I have two wide receivers ahead of him that are
Speaker 2: left on the board, but he's definitely in a tier
Speaker 2: of and this is what this tier that I have
Speaker 2: here is what makes the wide receiver class deep. They're
Speaker 2: still so much talent on the board, including Polk Lagette.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we haven't even talked about Tess
Speaker 2: Walker or Corley. You know, they're Baker Rice. I love
Speaker 2: these guys. This is such a good class, and I
Speaker 2: had him very high in the in that tier. So
Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty solid pick here. What do
Speaker 2: you think fits?
Speaker 3: Yeah, overshadowed somewhat by Aduns, you know, and really he's
Speaker 3: not even the only other Washington wide receiver who's going
Speaker 3: to be maybe a coveted fantasy asset. So yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: I think he's a really good player. No issues with
Speaker 3: getting him here. I think this is about where he
Speaker 3: should go.
Speaker 1: Quick recap of round two Troy Franklin went to A one,
Speaker 1: then Lad McConkie, Jonathan Brooks, Michael Pennix, Junior, Blake Cora,
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lloyd, bo Nicks, Ricky Piersoll, Braylan Allen, Trey Benson,
Speaker 1: Roman Wilson, and Jalen Polk. I just want to quickly
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Speaker 1: we've gone pretty long in the first two rounds, so
Speaker 1: we'll maybe go a bit faster here on around three.
Speaker 2: Start us off Bogs at the three to zero one.
Speaker 2: Give me Jalen Wright, the running back from Tennessee, a
Speaker 2: guy that has moved up. I think he moved started
Speaker 2: moving up more when a lot of people started getting
Speaker 2: to his tape. Right because you go through Braylen Allen,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of buzz coming in Brooks and Benson
Speaker 2: and Bucky Irving and guys like that. But Jalen Wright
Speaker 2: is a three down back and landing spot is going
Speaker 2: to mean a lot for the rest of the running
Speaker 2: backs here. But I have moved him. I mean, I
Speaker 2: love Bucky, Bucky is one of my favorite running backs here,
Speaker 2: but I had moved him down with his abysmal performance
Speaker 2: at the combine and he's small. Still. I still like
Speaker 2: Bucky and I'm still going to invest in him, but
Speaker 2: I have to put a physical power guy like Jalen
Speaker 2: Wright ahead of him. And he's got a lot of
Speaker 2: speed too. I mean, I think this guy can do
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything. I'm really curious to see
Speaker 2: where he ends up. And I think he's going to
Speaker 2: go higher than this post draft because running back is
Speaker 2: just a desperate position for people, even though wide receiver
Speaker 2: is good. I think a lot of people are going
Speaker 2: to need running back on their team. So I think
Speaker 2: right is going to move way ahead of being picked
Speaker 2: in this spot once we get there, especially if he
Speaker 2: lands on a team where he can play. But I
Speaker 2: think he needs to go right here. I think, if
Speaker 2: not a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: I considered him a few times with the earlier picks,
Speaker 1: so I'm totally with you. There fits here on the clock.
Speaker 3: Ray Davis running back for Kentucky, favorite of mine. Just versatile, tough, resourceful.
Speaker 3: I think he could play on any of the three downs,
Speaker 3: just like reminds me a little bit of Josh Jacobs
Speaker 3: stylistically and just how tough he can be running between
Speaker 3: the tackles. And like Jacobs, was experienced homelessness as a
Speaker 3: kid and maybe that sort of shaped him and lit
Speaker 3: the fire under him as far as being a football
Speaker 3: player and wanting to make that his profession. So I
Speaker 3: like this guy a lot. Like whenever I watch Kentucky,
Speaker 3: it was hard to take your eyes off Ray Davis.
Speaker 2: Bob and we talked a bit about Davis.
Speaker 1: I think Cody took him in the last month draft
Speaker 1: we did what are your thoughts at this point in
Speaker 1: the draft process.
Speaker 2: I mean motor, motor, motor, motor, motor, motor, and like
Speaker 2: you know, Fitz said, it's it is what probably defines
Speaker 2: him as a person, not a football player, but motivation.
Speaker 2: This guy is motivated to get up and work and
Speaker 2: get every single yard and every single blade of grass
Speaker 2: that he can on every play and every snap. So
Speaker 2: he gives his all in everything he does. And you
Speaker 2: want players like that, and you root for players like that.
Speaker 2: That's why he is a fan favorite already before he
Speaker 2: has a landing spot, so hard not to cheer for
Speaker 2: Ray Davis a great player.
Speaker 1: With the third pick in the third round, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: continue the running back run here, I'm gonna take Estima.
Speaker 1: I know he had a bad combine performance. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say when we're at the we're at this point in
Speaker 1: your rookie draft, I'm just gonna trust what I saw
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed watching him play at Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: and I think again, I think there's a role for
Speaker 1: him at the NFL level. I would be happy if
Speaker 1: the Ravens took him, you know, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the draft to you know, pair up in that backfield
Speaker 1: with the aging Derrick Henry. I just am a big
Speaker 1: fan of his and I'm not gonna let a bad
Speaker 1: couple of days at the combine at this point in
Speaker 1: the rookie draft. Uh changed my estimation of Estima to
Speaker 1: fit that she was not a pre playing fits.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Estime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so kind of like Braylan Allen in a way
Speaker 3: in that I don't see him playing on passing downs
Speaker 3: in the end, but put him in the right situation
Speaker 3: on a team that gives him goal line opportunities, not
Speaker 3: inconceivable that he could score a dozen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I was going to actually, you said the exact same
Speaker 1: number I was going to say. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: if the Ravens hadn't added Derrick Henry and instead they
Speaker 1: drafted Estimate, I would absolutely be expecting him to step into.
Speaker 2: The Gus Edward. It's like a dozen rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think there's a couple of places where that
Speaker 1: could be taking place. Bogs, I'm curious your opinion of Estima,
Speaker 1: And also you're on the clock at two four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a higher on estimate. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: the combine didn't do him any favors. He looks slow
Speaker 2: and all of that, but I don't know. You know
Speaker 2: my opinion on this. It's ninety percent film and ten
Speaker 2: percent combine. Sometimes it's reaffirming. Okay, this guy is slow.
Speaker 2: That's what we were worried about, and that is what
Speaker 2: happened with the estimate. But I think what he put
Speaker 2: on film means he can do it. Running back is
Speaker 2: an easily translatable position as well, so I think if
Speaker 2: he lands in a good spot, we could see some
Speaker 2: good numbers from him. But also he could be aj Dillon,
Speaker 2: and I was very high on ag Dillon and that
Speaker 2: did not work out. So he's more of a coin
Speaker 2: flip than I like. That's all my pick here this one. Look,
Speaker 2: I have to take one Texas player, so gimme Jatavian
Speaker 2: Sanders here. The slide will stop for the second title.
Speaker 2: I refuse to take him after I already took the
Speaker 2: other three. I thought you were gonna take him here.
Speaker 2: I kind of took right just to see if you
Speaker 2: would take him at that spot. But look, you know,
Speaker 2: tight end is deep. There's a lot of tight ends.
Speaker 2: That's why he's gonna slip. But I think Sanders, if
Speaker 2: he gets in the right system, you know, put him
Speaker 2: in Washington behind zach Ertz, let him learn for a year,
Speaker 2: and then become a downfield threat in Cliff Kingsbury's offense.
Speaker 2: I think he is extremely valuable. A lot of people
Speaker 2: didn't like Isaiah Likely coming in right, but he landed
Speaker 2: in a good spot for him with a guy like
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, and he can just you know, throw the
Speaker 2: ball up in the air and let the tall guy
Speaker 2: go get it right. So I think if Sanders ends
Speaker 2: up in a good spot, he could be used really well.
Speaker 2: There's also a chance he could be you know, behind
Speaker 2: a stud tight end like David and Joku and end
Speaker 2: up being Harrison Bryant, which is frustrating. So landing spot
Speaker 2: is going to mean a lot for Sanders. But he
Speaker 2: can catch the ball and he can run with it.
Speaker 2: So I am excited to see where he ends up.
Speaker 3: Fits your up So Boggs clucked his tongue at us
Speaker 3: earlier for not paying heed to the superflex format with
Speaker 3: regard to bo Nick, So I better act now, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to take Spencer Rattler, who I think has
Speaker 3: got himself back onto the radar for NFL teams. Maybe
Speaker 3: was never off, but like he had, you know, a
Speaker 3: star crossed college experience for sure, for this guy who
Speaker 3: came into the college ranks as a mega prospect and
Speaker 3: just like didn't didn't pan out to the degree that
Speaker 3: everyone thought. But I think he's really won people over
Speaker 3: in the off season. He's absolutely got an NFL caliber arm,
Speaker 3: which I don't think anyone questions, and like everyone who's
Speaker 3: talked to him says, he's a mature kid who seems
Speaker 3: like he's got a really good head on his shoulders.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, he could challenge for a
Speaker 3: starting job in the NFL. Maybe not in year one,
Speaker 3: but by year two.
Speaker 1: If he got to the end of this round, I
Speaker 1: was gonna take him. There was no other quarterback I
Speaker 1: was you know, considering at any point. But I I mean,
Speaker 1: the pedigree has been there in the past, and I've
Speaker 1: seen similar things what you're saying about, just in terms
Speaker 1: of really good head on his shoulders, and there's some
Speaker 1: degree of you know, of natural talent there too. Bogman,
Speaker 1: what do you make of Rattler here in the middle
Speaker 1: of the third. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: like Rattler, right, Oklahoma guy. All that stuff was real
Speaker 1: arrogant at Oklahoma when he was playing Texas too, But.
Speaker 2: I mean, what more do we want to see? We
Speaker 2: know this guy can make every throw. He's matured a
Speaker 2: ton from his you know, early Oklahoma days and his
Speaker 2: you know QB show on Netflix days. He was eighteen.
Speaker 2: Everyone's an idiot when they're eighteen, so you know, I
Speaker 2: think he was branded by that a little bit. So
Speaker 2: I think he's done a lot of work to disprove that,
Speaker 2: and he has to me, so I'm glad Fitz took
Speaker 2: him so I don't have to. But I do think
Speaker 2: that he is going to go higher than we expect
Speaker 2: in the draft.
Speaker 1: I am now on the clock and I'm going to
Speaker 1: take Javon Baker, and I will tell you guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to sit here and pretend that I have
Speaker 1: like a detailed breakdown on him. The biggest reason is
Speaker 1: trust in Debro, who just updated his rookie rankings. He
Speaker 1: has some wide receiver six in the class, and that
Speaker 1: is much higher than consensus if you check our rankings
Speaker 1: on the Fantasy Pro site. So I mostly bring him
Speaker 1: up because A, you know, I trust Deebro when it
Speaker 1: comes to rookie evaluations, not much else. And B I
Speaker 1: want to get your guys' opinion, and I'm assuming you
Speaker 1: won't be quite a size.
Speaker 2: Debro is again wide receiver six in the class. But Bogan,
Speaker 2: what do you make a Baker? I like Baker a lot,
Speaker 2: and you know, I do think that he's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a one trick pony now, you know, like
Speaker 2: he's a speed guy, right, but you put the ball
Speaker 2: in his hands and he flies. So it's a sexy
Speaker 2: pick here. I definitely, I definitely like it. But a
Speaker 2: landing spot again, is gonna mean a lot for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously will for everyone. I keep saying this,
Speaker 2: but I just I'm curious to see where he lands.
Speaker 2: I don't want him to go to a team with
Speaker 2: a quarterback without a massive arm. He needs to go
Speaker 2: to San Diego or San Diego to the Chargers with
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, right, he needs to go somewhere where the
Speaker 2: QB has a monster rocket arm to put it on him.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious of landing spot and see if he
Speaker 2: can pare up with a QB with a big, big
Speaker 2: rocket arm Bogman, you are up next, all right, give
Speaker 2: me Bucky. I know the combine didn't do Bucky Irving
Speaker 2: any favors. He looks slow, but just put on the film.
Speaker 2: Just put on the tape and watch this dude play
Speaker 2: for Oregon. He has burst, he follows a block well
Speaker 2: he had. He makes a lot of tacklers miss as well.
Speaker 2: So undersize not as athletic as we want for a
Speaker 2: guy of his size. I get it, But I am
Speaker 2: trusting what I saw with my eyes at Oregon, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Bucky Irving in the spot because
Speaker 2: I still think he's gonna be a valuable player, even
Speaker 2: if it takes him a little bit more to develop
Speaker 2: than we thought. So give me Bucky Irving fits. What
Speaker 2: do you make a Bucky Man?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, I guess he's got to be this
Speaker 3: year's Kyron Williams. Really disappointing combine. Uh, just a guy
Speaker 3: like for the game, he plays, a guy who profiles
Speaker 3: as a third down back in the NFL. You just
Speaker 3: would have liked to have seen more speed from him
Speaker 3: at the combine, Like those were really disappointing. Forty ten
Speaker 3: What was he like?
Speaker 2: Four to six yeah or something, buddh Yeah, not good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean, like that's definitely slower than you want
Speaker 3: for a space back, a scat back. So that definitely
Speaker 3: knocked him down my board. But on the field you
Speaker 3: see it though, like you see him being a third
Speaker 3: down back in the NFL. So I have no issues
Speaker 3: with him here. I think he would have been going
Speaker 3: in the second round if not for the disappointing combine.
Speaker 2: You got next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm up at three oh eight and this
Speaker 3: guy would not have been available to me if Thor
Speaker 3: were in this. I'm gonna go with Kamani Videll, a
Speaker 3: running back from Troy, and it's it looks like videal,
Speaker 3: like Vidal Sassoon, but it's actually Videll I think. So
Speaker 3: he was super productive at Troy. I think he is
Speaker 3: the school's all time leading rusher, ran for like what
Speaker 3: like sixteen hundred yards last year. Really tough, hard nos runner,
Speaker 3: great vision and like you're not bring this guy down
Speaker 3: with an arm tackle, even though he's slightly smaller, and
Speaker 3: like Thor and I thought he was gonna run like
Speaker 3: a four to six at the combine. He ran a
Speaker 3: four to four seven and tested really well. So that
Speaker 3: was a pleasant surprise. And I think that, unfortunately, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: is going to put him on the radar of some
Speaker 3: dynasty people, because I think he probably would have been
Speaker 3: like a fourth rounder if he had run the four
Speaker 3: to six' one that we were expecting him to run.
Speaker 3: But with that good time at the forty like that,
Speaker 3: just in addition to all of the good stuff he
Speaker 3: put on tape, like, he's become an appealing guy. And
Speaker 3: I think for Thor, Thor's gonna have him like top five.
Speaker 3: I think in his running back rankings, maybe just outside
Speaker 3: the top five, but not very like he's not going
Speaker 3: past RBS seven in Thor's running back rankings.
Speaker 2: I know that what do you make of him? Bugs?
Speaker 2: I love Idell. I mean, he makes so many tacklers miss,
Speaker 2: he runs through arm tackles. He's got some wiggled too.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit of a right but you know,
Speaker 2: and he went to a smaller school. So I think
Speaker 2: I think this a lot of the stuff that we've
Speaker 2: been hearing about. Why why I just blank a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff that we've been hearing about Quorum. I
Speaker 2: think we might hear about Videll if he played at
Speaker 2: a bigger school. Obviously the competition was lower two and
Speaker 2: that is why he needs to go later. But I
Speaker 2: think there's uh, there's some quorum nishes in uh Kamani
Speaker 2: Videll strong little back with some speed, so I love
Speaker 2: watching him play. I am now up.
Speaker 1: There's like three or four reis he is stressing. I'm
Speaker 1: just like it. I feel like I could go. I
Speaker 1: feel like I was saying this for the whole second
Speaker 1: half of the draft, but it's like there's like three
Speaker 1: or four guys here that I think you could make
Speaker 1: a really interesting case for I want to go with
Speaker 1: a receiver. I think I'll just go with leget Xavier
Speaker 1: Legett and just the pure kind of athletics is in play.
Speaker 1: Like not my favorite guy, but again, late third round
Speaker 1: in a rookie draft, I'm happy to kind of just say, like,
Speaker 1: this guy is very, very athletic and maybe gets with
Speaker 1: an NFL team that uses him well, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like a poor man's DK Metcalf. Not that
Speaker 1: he's that good, but so I'll go with Lagett here
Speaker 1: at the three h nine.
Speaker 2: Love Logett. That was gonna be my pick here, that's
Speaker 2: you totally sniped me worre him so great, great work.
Speaker 2: I think a little bit is being overblown about his
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl performance. Also the combine he didn't really help himself,
Speaker 2: but another guy where Yes, he wasn't great in the
Speaker 2: ramp up to the draft. But if you watch the film,
Speaker 2: very good wide receiver, very very good wide receiver, and
Speaker 2: you know the debo compas because they both played at
Speaker 2: South Carolina, and he sounds like one of my cousins.
Speaker 2: So if you all have heard him talk at all,
Speaker 2: But so i'm i'm he's endearing himself to me a
Speaker 2: little bit more. He already feels like one of the family.
Speaker 2: Give me for my last pick. Here, Malachi Corley, a
Speaker 2: wide receiver out of Western Kentucky. I know maybe I
Speaker 2: sniped Fits on this spot. I was gonna take Leaguet
Speaker 2: to let you have Corley, but then Wormy sniped.
Speaker 1: Me Courley was I was gonna maybe take, and then
Speaker 1: I picked Lagett, so they both would have been gone regardless.
Speaker 1: I mean, the debo comp is there for Corley too, right,
Speaker 1: And you know we talk about and Fitz has made
Speaker 1: this point a lot, and I think Fitz has drilled
Speaker 1: this into my brain too.
Speaker 2: It's uh the Ohio State game man. When he was
Speaker 2: going up against the best competition he was gonna see
Speaker 2: all year, he played his butt off. He was great.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to like on Malachi Corley's tape.
Speaker 2: Route running, isn't it. But you want the ball in
Speaker 2: his hands? Uh, probably a guy for an offense that
Speaker 2: doesn't have a quarterback with a strong arm. You know,
Speaker 2: put him in uh, put him in Vegas with Gardner
Speaker 2: Minshew or Aidan O'Connell there and you know, let them
Speaker 2: throw the ball short. Put the ball in his hands
Speaker 2: and take it and run. That's what we want to
Speaker 2: see Corley do. And I'm excited to see where he
Speaker 2: ends up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Corley would have been the pick there, so that
Speaker 3: was a nice one. And Legette probably would have been
Speaker 3: the pick if you know so. But I do have
Speaker 3: one more wide receiver up my sleeve, Devon Tees Walker
Speaker 3: tes Walker of North Carolina, size speed prospect six too
Speaker 3: and really fast and like has some interesting ball skills
Speaker 3: and made some plays for Drake. May like developmental guy.
Speaker 3: I don't see him coming in and making a big
Speaker 3: splash as a rookie, but I think a guy who
Speaker 3: could maybe develop into a pretty decent starting NFL receiver
Speaker 3: with big play potential by like his second or third year.
Speaker 2: What do you think about tes Bagman? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: this is you know, uh he he hasn't had a
Speaker 2: lot of playing time recently, right, obviously he had the
Speaker 2: big thing with NC double, a bad performance at the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. So he's moving down boards. But there's a
Speaker 2: lot of that. There's a lot of clay to to,
Speaker 2: you know, fix this sculpture out of So I think,
Speaker 2: you know, if he gets in, he gets coached up,
Speaker 2: he's going to be really good. So I like that pick.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of potential there.
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap us up with a guy that
Speaker 1: I think I played my flag on in the first
Speaker 1: you know iteration of this draft. Malik Washington, wide receiver
Speaker 1: at a UVA. He is short, he is really fun
Speaker 1: to watch. He breaks a ton of tackles. He's explosive,
Speaker 1: like probably limited to this lot because of the size,
Speaker 1: but I mean last year he had one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten catches, fourteen hundred yards, nine touchdowns at UVA. I
Speaker 1: just think he's he's a really fun guy to watch
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see him go hopefully to an
Speaker 1: NFL team that will utilize him, you know in a
Speaker 1: really interesting, you know way.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that pick? Fits?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very ultra productive. I know that pick drew some
Speaker 3: oohs and ohs when we had the mock draft with
Speaker 3: the player profiler guys. UVA could have used him on
Speaker 3: the basketball court the other night because they had trouble
Speaker 3: putting points.
Speaker 2: They could have used the media on the basketball court
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I like the pick. I think that's great
Speaker 3: value at three twelve.
Speaker 2: When classes so deep, worm you know that the guys
Speaker 2: that perform well are gonna move way up boards. That's
Speaker 2: why you know Washington would have been close to tes
Speaker 2: Walker going into this process in you know, early January,
Speaker 2: late December, whatever you want to call it, when people
Speaker 2: really start shifting their focus to the draft. These guys
Speaker 2: would not have been close. But this is what the
Speaker 2: process does, right. It raises guys like Washington, lowers guys
Speaker 2: like Walker, and they're picked right next to each other
Speaker 2: in a draft like this. So we'll see how the
Speaker 2: real NFL draft works. But Malik Washington is getting drafted.
Speaker 2: His performances in everything leading up to the draft have
Speaker 2: made him a very draftable player. Quick recap of Round three,
Speaker 2: Starting at three zero one, we had Jalen Wright, Ray Davis, Audrick, Estime,
Speaker 2: Jitavian Sanders, Spencer Rattler, Javon Baker, Bucky Irving, Kimbaie videll Is,
Speaker 2: Davier Leaguett Corley, Devontes Walker or Tes Walker, and Malik Washington.
Speaker 2: We've already run very long in this episode, so we'll
Speaker 2: go a little bit longer because I want to ask
Speaker 2: you fits was there anybody you were surprised didn't get
Speaker 2: drafted that you thought maybe you should have or would
Speaker 2: have or any other kind of main takeaways from this
Speaker 2: mock draft.
Speaker 3: No, I mean there's some other guys who could have
Speaker 3: been drafted, But I mean Will Shipley kind of comes
Speaker 3: to mind. I think with his I don't know, ready
Speaker 3: made passing down back skill sets, I think he's probably
Speaker 3: gonna go in the top three rounds of most twelve
Speaker 3: team leagues. That's about it. Like, nothing really shocked me here,
Speaker 3: you know. I know, deebro we did a mock where
Speaker 3: Debro took Troy Franklin ninth overall and got some cat calls,
Speaker 3: including from me, But like there was there was nothing
Speaker 3: that nothing egregious here.
Speaker 2: Today, I thought, what did you think, Bogman? Any main takeaways? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I completely agree that there's some guys, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe I just there's so much talent, right so, but
Speaker 2: there's only one other quarterback like Michael Pratt. Maybe you
Speaker 2: could have knuck in here if you like him at
Speaker 2: running back. I like guys like Corendo and Isaiah Davis.
Speaker 2: And there's so many wide receivers you could interchange at
Speaker 2: the end with a couple of those last ones that
Speaker 2: I think we did a really good job here. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a lot missing.
Speaker 1: Only two tight ends off the board, and I don't right,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else, even really like I would
Speaker 1: have even considered.
Speaker 2: I like Jeam Bell kind of.
Speaker 1: I think he's an interesting player, but like I never
Speaker 1: would have taken him over these receivers.
Speaker 2: I think that's the most correct thing that happened in
Speaker 2: this draft. There's only two tight ends going. I think
Speaker 2: that's probably exactly how it's going to go in most so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, I appreciate everybody sticking with us
Speaker 1: for this. You know, jam Packed Supersized episode. It was
Speaker 1: super fun there's nothing quite as fun as getting to
Speaker 1: do mock drafts, especially with these two guys.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it was informative and I know.
Speaker 1: I learned a couple of things. Hopefully everybody else did
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you everybody for tuning in. We will
Speaker 1: be back next week for Bogman and Fitz.
Speaker 2: I'm Ryan. We'll see you next time.
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