Speaker 1: And That's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast, Welcome to and That's what you Really
Speaker 1: miss podcasts. The penultimate episode of season three? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: We're already here? I yeah that we've said it now
Speaker 1: for the past three weeks, but it's true. It feels
Speaker 1: very weird. And I also have to say, in terms
Speaker 1: of what it was like in real life filming this,
Speaker 1: there's something about the very end of the season that
Speaker 1: feels like it was so far away, oh so like
Speaker 1: it feels like it exists in no man's land in
Speaker 1: my mind, because obviously one and two are very fresh
Speaker 1: in our mind. Somehow are just ingrained right. And then
Speaker 1: as we've been watching season three, a lot of Season
Speaker 1: three has actually been once I've seen it's like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I do remember this, Yeah, yeah, where these last two
Speaker 1: episodes live in my head? And maybe because it was
Speaker 1: at the end of a season and so exactly as
Speaker 1: we get to the end of seasons, it feels like
Speaker 1: last d Yeah, you're checked out mentally, and so I
Speaker 1: don't remember like where in time these numbers fit because
Speaker 1: obviously we remember competitions, you remember certain numbers and that's
Speaker 1: how we relate a lot of episodes to like storyline.
Speaker 2: I have very specific memories of shooting this, and I
Speaker 2: have no memory at all of shooting some of this.
Speaker 1: And I remember I remember, yeah, the same thing, specific
Speaker 1: memories of shooting this, but didn't realize they were all
Speaker 1: in the same episode in my head, like the memories
Speaker 1: of doing dashboard or doing the fight scene where I'm
Speaker 1: meeting the popcorn, or the scene where we're all getting
Speaker 1: ready for Nationals, like all those things live in my memory,
Speaker 1: but someone realize this is.
Speaker 2: Where they also don't live in my memory with theiric
Speaker 2: stilts for some reason.
Speaker 1: And same and then watching it, I was like, Eric
Speaker 1: must have directed this. Yeah, it feels so Eric.
Speaker 2: He also doesn't usually do competition episode.
Speaker 1: No, and I do remember that though I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: are you okay, Eric? He's always okay, Yeah, of course
Speaker 1: he's But this was the I mean, he's been training,
Speaker 1: I feel like, doing proms for years and this was
Speaker 1: a juggernaut. Truly, there's a lot that happens. Luckily it's
Speaker 1: all centered around Nationals, which I appreciate. Hm, there's not
Speaker 1: like a thousand different things happening going in fifteen different.
Speaker 2: Directions where all all roads are pointing to.
Speaker 1: Nationals, and it feels very cohesive in that way where
Speaker 1: you get that nostalgic feeling in every single scene of
Speaker 1: graduation so good.
Speaker 2: I also felt very emotional, and I remembered the feeling
Speaker 2: of like we didn't know what was coming in season four.
Speaker 2: We didn't know what it was going to be like,
Speaker 2: we didn't know if we were going to get new
Speaker 2: cast members, We didn't know.
Speaker 1: Any of this.
Speaker 2: So the feeling was this is the end in some ways,
Speaker 2: this is the end of an era. What happens next?
Speaker 2: Where do we go from here? So I do remember
Speaker 2: that the feelings more than the memories what I was
Speaker 2: feeling at the time. This definitely jogged my memory. I
Speaker 2: agree with you, this is not sequential for me at all,
Speaker 2: but I do remember a lot of it.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those moments where you and
Speaker 1: I were so excited to get to season three and
Speaker 1: beyond because we don't have a lot of off the
Speaker 1: cuff memories right before. It's jogged by watching the episode,
Speaker 1: and this I feel like was the culmination of that.
Speaker 1: So far. Yes, I felt so removed from it in
Speaker 1: like a great way, or I did enjoy it as
Speaker 1: a viewer. Yes, and you texted me while you were
Speaker 1: watching it, and then that made me want to watch
Speaker 1: it and so good. It's so good.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about it. So this season three, episode
Speaker 2: twenty one, This is Nationals and this aired on May fifteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. And this is a penultimate episode of season three.
Speaker 2: And the number one song was Somebody that I Used
Speaker 2: to Know by gouta again and Avengers is still number one.
Speaker 2: I expect it to be on our number one roster
Speaker 2: for quite a bit of time.
Speaker 1: Come to come, so glean news of the week. This
Speaker 1: is a big one and I love that this all
Speaker 1: lined up perfectly. Nationals features Glee's four hundredth musical performance.
Speaker 2: How is that even possible that we dashboard light? Yeah,
Speaker 2: which just feels right.
Speaker 1: That feels like a time to celebrate, And we were
Speaker 1: we were doing a competition, which really felt like a celebration.
Speaker 1: It felt like we're on tour doing a real performance.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank god we didn't do that. I'm
Speaker 1: around tour, I know. This episode was directed by Eric Stoltz,
Speaker 1: written by Ali Adler. Yes, whoopees back, Groff is back.
Speaker 1: We have Rexley icon Owen, and Lindsay Lyon is also
Speaker 1: an icons Hilton whatever, he's in his own right, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I just press Hilton was awful
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. M hmm, okay, let's name it.
Speaker 1: He just was and got famous off of that and
Speaker 1: then got upset that people didn't like him. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you established an entire brand off of being the bad
Speaker 1: guy and then you have to like own that, you
Speaker 1: just have to own it. Then. Yeah. I remember he
Speaker 1: showed up to the tour the first tour we did,
Speaker 1: and we all avoided him because right us, we were like,
Speaker 1: we also, you don't deserve the Yeah, like that we were.
Speaker 1: That was very much in the throws, and it was
Speaker 1: nice that Lindsay Lewyn's character was calling that out of it.
Speaker 2: It's also I thought those scenes were very funny.
Speaker 1: You know. I have to say, Lindsay Lyon is a
Speaker 1: national treasure.
Speaker 2: Mother is making her come back and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Yes, And she went through a really hard time and
Speaker 1: she grew up in the public eye and was dealing
Speaker 1: with the disease and doing that in the public eye.
Speaker 1: I feel like only magnifies that times and it's in
Speaker 1: the press and is not kind about that, and they
Speaker 1: don't make it easy for people to live. And I
Speaker 1: just think she's so talented, and I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: she's like back on it and back out there and
Speaker 1: showing up and doing a cameo. Is this she's even great?
Speaker 1: That's what you said.
Speaker 2: I think we always said that, like it's so unfortunate
Speaker 2: the journey she was going through and the challenges she
Speaker 2: was having, because she's wildly talented. That's the that was
Speaker 2: like the disappointing part of it. And also as a human,
Speaker 2: I have my own qualms with Lindsay and him, but
Speaker 2: I'm so glad she is thriving right, And she was
Speaker 2: really great on set, and we didn't really know what
Speaker 2: to expect, especially Eric, who had to kind of lead
Speaker 2: this ship, and like, you know, you're dealing with Perez
Speaker 2: who's not an actor, Lindsay who's kind of on this journey,
Speaker 2: and then and you just don't know what you're going
Speaker 2: to get. And he said she came prepared. He said,
Speaker 2: she maybe not quite on time, but prepared, and so
Speaker 2: like she knew our lines at least.
Speaker 1: I felt really bad for Rex recir the consonate professional
Speaker 1: kind as anything. Oh my god, and he was just
Speaker 1: sort of like, what's going on. I love him? I
Speaker 1: love him. He's very funny and thank god he was there.
Speaker 1: He was really the anchor in that Oh totally totally.
Speaker 2: And then just like the writing on it and Lindsay
Speaker 2: willing to like talk about herself in that way and
Speaker 2: everybody is kind of self aware. I appreciated, yeah game
Speaker 2: for that fun Yeah. Okay, so before we get too
Speaker 2: deep into it, there are a lot of songs. I
Speaker 2: also forgot that the Edge of Glory was the travel
Speaker 2: Tones number.
Speaker 1: Jenna, you did it. I made Trouble Zone even I
Speaker 1: was like I and Mercedes wouldn't let you get out
Speaker 1: of it, which I was like, finally and having like
Speaker 1: being able to talk to you every week about these
Speaker 1: things and talking about how desperately you wanted to be
Speaker 1: in Trouble Tones and then see you get there as
Speaker 1: a friend, even though we already filmed it and we
Speaker 1: all forgot about it. It's like, yes, she did it.
Speaker 1: My jaw was because we've been talking about this so
Speaker 1: so her wish I was in the Trolltones. Tina, you
Speaker 1: were you were one time?
Speaker 2: One time anyway, she made it though, I take it
Speaker 2: so we did at your glory. It's all coming back
Speaker 2: to me now. Paradise by the Dashboard, Light Starships, Pinball,
Speaker 2: Wizard Tongue Tied We Are the Champions, and the unreleased
Speaker 2: and very short version of Starlight Express.
Speaker 1: Unroller Skates by the Portland Scale Blazers Blessed. I love
Speaker 1: the team names. It's funny.
Speaker 2: It was that that you don't I get it for TV,
Speaker 2: but like that you don't encounter all the same groups
Speaker 2: often except for Vocal Adrenaline, our main enemy, we don't
Speaker 2: encounter any of these groups again. Okay, So this episode
Speaker 2: we talked about last week was the episode that aired
Speaker 2: right after a prop so they were concurrent.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that must be so much fun to
Speaker 1: watch two.
Speaker 2: Episodes in one, and they were both really fun episode
Speaker 2: and they directly feed into each other, which didn't always happening.
Speaker 1: That's right. That was like, I feel like these last
Speaker 1: three or four episodes are all one big story, which
Speaker 1: is so nice. That's right. This is the second competition
Speaker 1: to feature real celebrities of judges. The first time wasn't Journey.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Two versions of the victory scene were filmed vocal adrenalines
Speaker 2: when and our whin Vocal Adrenaline didn't get confetti because
Speaker 2: of the cleanup. But we did shoot both as they
Speaker 2: do in like Drag Race, where they shoot because there
Speaker 2: was a live audience. There were so many extras. Brad
Speaker 2: Salatrak probably had PTSD from the prom King Queen being leaked,
Speaker 2: and I do remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember that as well, and also I believe the
Speaker 1: I remember actually I remember it so specifically. The Vocal
Speaker 1: Adrenaline quote unquote win was very The filming of it
Speaker 1: was very half assed, totally like they weren't actually using film.
Speaker 1: Andrew just sort of like roaming around with the steady
Speaker 1: cam and we were doing all.
Speaker 2: The action, but we really didn't. Yeah, we did it.
Speaker 2: It was performative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean drag Race really does it. They do
Speaker 1: the full win for all the finalists.
Speaker 2: Even for our our version. Yeah, the celebrity version. It
Speaker 2: was like they did it and we didn't know. We
Speaker 2: didn't In drag Race.
Speaker 1: We didn't know. Obviously, we knew in the script. Even
Speaker 1: during the airing of the finale, I was texting with
Speaker 1: the finalists and they didn't even know as it was
Speaker 1: happening right, Yeah, it was airing so Vocal Adrenaline sings
Speaker 1: more than one song in an episode for the first time,
Speaker 1: which I loved. I was really I'm like, are they
Speaker 1: going to go to another song? Because I really want that.
Speaker 1: I want if we do three songs, I want to
Speaker 1: see the other team do three songs.
Speaker 2: So I agreed, and then I also was wondering unique
Speaker 2: was singing it?
Speaker 1: So last year we got chopped like we they acted
Speaker 1: like nationals went on for like most couple of competitions, yes,
Speaker 1: and there was no chopping this one. It was just
Speaker 1: we went. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I'm kind of glad for.
Speaker 2: It for our sanity. This is the first time New
Speaker 2: Directions one's first student competition, which is the Death Death Spot.
Speaker 1: I liked that. I was here for too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I re elect drama because you all know, it's like
Speaker 1: that was oldest time. He never want to go first.
Speaker 1: People forget the yearbook that Rachel signed was available and
Speaker 1: published formed to purchase. It was called Glee the Official
Speaker 1: Oiam McKinley William McKinley High School Yearbook. Who has it
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure people, I'm sure we got one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably we had our own yearbook with our crew and everything,
Speaker 2: which we really, I really liked at the very end
Speaker 2: of the show. So this is the only Nationals episode
Speaker 2: where the title doesn't refer to the city where the
Speaker 2: competition is held. This is also the only Nationals episode
Speaker 2: where New Directions don't doesn't sing a song related to
Speaker 2: the city obviously, like in New York, New York really
Speaker 2: sang I Love New York, and then in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: when we do that and they saying I Love LA,
Speaker 2: there's no Chicago song. Fun fact, though, our very good
Speaker 2: friend Will Malnaughty, whose family is the mal Naughties in
Speaker 2: Chicago Deep Dish Pizza Pizza Empire, we did get their
Speaker 2: their box placed in the episode.
Speaker 1: Did you have anything to do with that?
Speaker 2: It was Diana actually who did that. It was Diana
Speaker 2: very smart and so that that was our little ode
Speaker 2: to Chicago. And we also weren't in Chicago, so that
Speaker 2: was also part of it. So in props we see
Speaker 2: in the direction setlist and Quarantina were already an edge
Speaker 2: of glory whoopsies. But here's why. Our props people are
Speaker 2: very busy handling the props for every episode, and you
Speaker 2: get a list of the characters in each number probably
Speaker 2: or you look and you see which characters are in it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they weren't fully reading the script to understand that
Speaker 2: this was not happening until next.
Speaker 1: Week, right, that's my guess. Yeah. And they were so
Speaker 1: meticulous and detailed, like, oh yeah, they barely haven't slip ups,
Speaker 1: so yes, fair, Like, look at all the props, all
Speaker 1: the students happen every single scene. All of that is
Speaker 1: like three people in the props department. It was really insane,
Speaker 1: and they cared like they would run in and adjust
Speaker 1: things the very last minute. Oh my gosh. Like they
Speaker 1: had a lot of things to handle.
Speaker 2: Yes, they literally from like a pen, a notebook, an eraser,
Speaker 2: a backpack, everybody's.
Speaker 1: Backpacks and a lot of things. I think that department, too,
Speaker 1: because there's so much going on, was like not undervalued.
Speaker 1: But I don't think people realize the amount of work
Speaker 1: that goes into unsung heroes. Heroes and just when something
Speaker 1: is always good and at a certain level, it's easy
Speaker 1: to take for granted because you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about it, right, And that's how they were. They were
Speaker 1: always just so good. It was like the art department,
Speaker 1: it was like, you actually didn't ever have to worry
Speaker 1: about that. That was never a thing. They're good at
Speaker 1: their job. Exactly when the Teacher of the Year award
Speaker 1: is being announced, mister Schuster appears to have lipstick smudged
Speaker 1: on his cheek. I noticed that. After the award is
Speaker 1: announced and while hugging each Glee member, Quinn wearing red lipstick,
Speaker 1: kisses him on the cheek. This would mean the scenes
Speaker 1: were filmed out of order. Is this true? Very possibly?
Speaker 1: Sometimes we would just do things block shooting. So if
Speaker 1: we were just shooting all in one direction towards the stage,
Speaker 1: let's say, you need a thought of us, right, and
Speaker 1: so if they were trying to get us out, so
Speaker 1: let's say it was the last scene of the day
Speaker 1: and they needed us to film the next day to
Speaker 1: shoot out the twelve members of the glee club would
Speaker 1: save everybody on the turnaround at the twelve hours that
Speaker 1: we have to have from the time he wrapped when
Speaker 1: we can be back on setting. And so it's very
Speaker 1: likely that that did happen where they shot everybody that
Speaker 1: was on the stage portion first, and.
Speaker 2: Then they turned the cameras around and then they shoot
Speaker 2: mister Shoe's stuff on and including the teacher announcement. Yes,
Speaker 2: so including his speech and everything would be earlier because
Speaker 2: the cameras would be the other way around.
Speaker 1: It's possible.
Speaker 2: I don't actually remember if we did that, but Eric
Speaker 2: was very good at block shooting, and he was very efficient,
Speaker 2: and so I believe that that probably happened. I think
Speaker 2: you're right, Kevin. When the new directions arrived back at McKinley,
Speaker 2: Emma show's Will newspaper with a picture of Will holding
Speaker 2: the Nationals trophy in the choir room on the front page. However,
Speaker 2: considering the new directions hadn't been back to school yet,
Speaker 2: how is this possible? Plus Will is wearing the same
Speaker 2: outfit in the photos he is in the scene. Whoopsies,
Speaker 2: that's funny.
Speaker 1: I did go back and look at the newspaper again
Speaker 1: after reading this fun fact and was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: He is on the same outfit. They took it on
Speaker 2: the day they printed it. They gave it to Emma.
Speaker 2: You know, is a quick turnaround for these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not all going to be perfect. This is
Speaker 1: insane to me. You knew how last time. The like
Speaker 1: Fox publicity summary of the episode was like a sentence sentence.
Speaker 1: It was a sentence and didn't really explain anything. Yes,
Speaker 1: are you ready to hear this one? I'm ready. When
Speaker 1: Mercedes like Nationals, everyone right, like this is what everyone's
Speaker 1: been talking about for three years. Here is the official
Speaker 1: Fox summary of the episode entitled Nationals. When Mercedes comes
Speaker 1: down with a bad case of food poisoning, Will drafts
Speaker 1: Tina and Quinn to sub for her. That's it.
Speaker 4: Somebody got really lazy that week. They were really busy,
Speaker 4: and they designed that was it? What or they pressed?
Speaker 4: They selected all and deleted by accident.
Speaker 1: It was like it had to be long enough, short
Speaker 1: enough to fit in the original tweet size. So funny,
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean talk about bearing the lead here, I
Speaker 2: mean Mercedes has food poisoning. The scene is ridiculous in
Speaker 2: the hotel room, partially because of the nicknames that Sue
Speaker 2: calls Mercedes.
Speaker 1: Insane.
Speaker 2: And all the girls are there most some of the
Speaker 2: girls are there taking care of Mercedes. And we get
Speaker 2: a signed Tina and Quinn. We get a signed to
Speaker 2: do the Trouble Tones because we are not sure if
Speaker 2: Mercedes is going to be able to perform at Nationals.
Speaker 1: For we kind of.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that scene.
Speaker 1: I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 2: Scene, I mean at all, obviously, because I didn't remember
Speaker 2: that I was in the trumpet.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I was thinking, And as I was
Speaker 1: watching this entire episode, Stolts moves very quickly. Yes, so
Speaker 1: I think we remember all of these scenes in these
Speaker 1: competition episodes because there's a lot of us in new
Speaker 1: environments and they take a really long time to shoot.
Speaker 1: Stoltz does not do that. You just you go, you're moving,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what was happening, even we didn't
Speaker 1: even film dashboard that many times you're you're totally right,
Speaker 1: and so I think he was just we have about
Speaker 1: two hours worth of content to fit in an hour,
Speaker 1: so let's keep it moving.
Speaker 2: And he was always like that with a big episode
Speaker 2: or not. You know, you would make either make a
Speaker 2: small episode feel like a big episode, and you make
Speaker 2: a big episode feel like it was like a normal
Speaker 2: Glee episode.
Speaker 1: And shout out to Stults because I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do in this episode and he still cut to me
Speaker 1: and made me feel like I was still a part
Speaker 1: of the episode. And I really appreciated that he.
Speaker 2: Always did that. He always made everybody feel included, especially
Speaker 2: your popcorn moment, which leads me to the rehearsal in
Speaker 2: that lobby room wherever the hell we were.
Speaker 1: No to young actors, if you're going to choose to
Speaker 1: eat something in the first take of a scene, you
Speaker 1: screwed yourself. You have to do it the entirety of
Speaker 1: the shoot. How much popcorn did you eat? I had
Speaker 1: so much popcorns in that and it was at Chicago.
Speaker 1: It was like, so the cheddar and then she's caramu.
Speaker 1: I love that stuff, and I was just going in
Speaker 1: on it. And when Naya comes around. We fucked up
Speaker 1: so many takes because I would get to my face
Speaker 1: and I was trying to make her laugh and she
Speaker 1: was trying to make me laugh. I think at some
Speaker 1: point Stoltz was like, okay, guys, like get it together.
Speaker 1: He never did that either. No, it was we couldn't
Speaker 1: and I've said it before, we couldn't look at each
Speaker 1: other in scenes and we're barely hold like she's so
Speaker 1: not looking at me, and the take that made it
Speaker 1: in and I'm barely hanging on if you Sometimes I
Speaker 1: try to do that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just have to look away and make it
Speaker 2: look like you're looking at them. You were barely that
Speaker 2: both of you. Whenever you guys have lines together, you
Speaker 2: can always kind of tell you're on the verge.
Speaker 1: I love that. Though it was so much fun, it
Speaker 1: was chaos. It actually was chaos filming that because there
Speaker 1: was a lot of steady cam as well. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of movement everywhere. It felt like the one
Speaker 1: where they still are set list. Yes, but that's also
Speaker 1: how you save time. If you keep everything on steady cam,
Speaker 1: everything's lit in every direction right, you can just keep
Speaker 1: it moving right, yes, because otherwise what you have to
Speaker 1: do to get technical about it is you set down
Speaker 1: tracks or you set down like then you have to
Speaker 1: get up all that gear and move it to another
Speaker 1: and cover whoever is facing that specific direction. So when
Speaker 1: we're all sort of in a circle in this, you
Speaker 1: have to cover that from that many angles, which is
Speaker 1: damn near impossible to steady caam. You can see the
Speaker 1: entire room because you can.
Speaker 2: Just walk around with the camera and they light the
Speaker 2: whole thing all at once, versus in each setup that
Speaker 2: they do in the scenes, basically they have to relight
Speaker 2: it for that part of the room.
Speaker 1: It's like David or russell movie. If you watch any
Speaker 1: of David or Russell's movies, all of that thing is
Speaker 1: steady cam. He's got about a billion people in every
Speaker 1: scene and it just saves so much time. It's so true.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if I breaks out because Puck is studying
Speaker 2: for geography, people are mad at him, which is crazy
Speaker 2: for studying. Rachel has her own agenda, obviously, needing everybody
Speaker 2: to be perfect because carbon Thibodeau might be there, and
Speaker 2: Quinn is still questionable on her feet. So we are
Speaker 2: having this wild argument and then Mercedes comes in and
Speaker 2: she's magically better already, very fast, very fast, thankfully though,
Speaker 2: thankfully she comes back.
Speaker 1: I love those shots of everybody getting ready for the
Speaker 1: competition in front of all the lights, and then when
Speaker 1: she comes in and sort of saves the day. And
Speaker 1: for once, the things Sue had a student do made sense,
Speaker 1: like all the recommendations she had for like how she
Speaker 1: should get better quickly, Like, oh, that's pretty reasonable.
Speaker 2: Sue is really scary this episode because it was so
Speaker 2: unlike her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was nice because you never get to
Speaker 1: see into well we did once when Sue. We never
Speaker 1: seen into the Cheerios competitions. Right, except when she was
Speaker 1: trying to get Brittany to fly out of that canon
Speaker 1: can obviously unsafe, but if she is a billion time
Speaker 1: national champ, then she should have these things, these bits
Speaker 1: of right she tries to see her. It felt in
Speaker 1: character for her to know how to do these things,
Speaker 1: which I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciated see this whole episode. I have to be honest.
Speaker 1: I loved at the end. I know he's skipping ahead here,
Speaker 1: but when they're walking to the Teacher of the Year
Speaker 1: celebration and she says, I've been pregnant for an indeterminate
Speaker 1: amount of months or a determinate amount of time. I
Speaker 1: love that Sue was on it. She is on it.
Speaker 1: So another thing that was happening this episode for Rachel
Speaker 1: is the carmon Thibodeaux of it all, the whoopie of
Speaker 1: it all right, and she' back. She's hoping, whoop he's
Speaker 1: going to show up. She doesn't know what he's going
Speaker 1: to show up. She runs into Jesse, and Jesse somehow
Speaker 1: magically knows that she bombed her audition and that she's
Speaker 1: hoping she's going to be there, And I like that
Speaker 1: exchange between them felt very mature. Everybody felt very mature
Speaker 1: in this episode. Ben and Jesse interaction too, I know,
Speaker 1: I honestly it felt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really nice to see Jesse show a
Speaker 2: little bit of love and truth and.
Speaker 1: Kind of take his walls down. I even liked.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was the one you're referring
Speaker 2: to Rachel and Jesse, but I really liked their scene
Speaker 2: as well together. Yeah, everybody was very adult and mature.
Speaker 1: In this episode. I would like to say John Graff
Speaker 1: looked extra hot. I mean.
Speaker 2: He looked like at a tan, Like he went away,
Speaker 2: did you have a tan?
Speaker 1: I don't know. He looked really good. So Tivodeau does
Speaker 1: show up just in time to see Rachel sing belt
Speaker 1: out Celene. So fun fact. Fun fact.
Speaker 2: Rachel and Leah actually, if I if my memory is correct,
Speaker 2: we both were asking for Selene songs for like a
Speaker 2: long time because we both love Selene, and we both
Speaker 2: got them. Uh, Leah, I believe was asking for power
Speaker 2: of Love and Ryan got it wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh he swapped them and swapped it and did. It's
Speaker 1: all coming back to me.
Speaker 2: Whether he got it wrong or he intentionally did, it's
Speaker 2: coming back to me because he liked it better. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I remember Leah being like I didn't
Speaker 2: I actually had asked for it.
Speaker 1: The other one, I do remember that. I mean she
Speaker 1: sounded great, so it's fine. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: She sounded insane, and Carmen Tibodeaux sees her and sees
Speaker 2: the standing ovation she gets and it's definitely moved. I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll see, but she's moved.
Speaker 1: And I was moved as a viewer because it's like
Speaker 1: Rachel Berry is at her best stage, Yes, exactly. See
Speaker 1: her with her people that even though sometimes she treats questionably,
Speaker 1: that's her safe space, yes, yes, and she's able to
Speaker 1: shine with that support like she got after her loan
Speaker 1: for that audition and choked right, and then you have
Speaker 1: her with her family and she kills it.
Speaker 2: And also don't remember being on stage.
Speaker 1: See, we were not, I think because our involvement in
Speaker 1: it was so little. There's paparazzi pictures of us at
Speaker 1: base camp like doing doing like foot races and on
Speaker 1: the one, Yeah, because we had so much downtime, that's
Speaker 1: what happens to the Yeah, we were not on that
Speaker 1: stage very long, and so my memory of it, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's sort of non existent because of that, like we
Speaker 1: shot it so quickly. Well, we also on that day
Speaker 1: waited quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Of time because some people were late mm hm, and
Speaker 2: so there was a lot of downtime. Also, the sure
Speaker 2: was because we were just waiting and so waiting for.
Speaker 1: A very long time. I think they had then they
Speaker 1: had to swap the.
Speaker 2: Schedule, right, which is never a good thing for National
Speaker 2: because everything has to kind of go according to planner.
Speaker 1: You're a fact, Yeah, So I imagine they moved up
Speaker 1: Unique and Vocal Adrenaline to shoot maybe earlier than they
Speaker 1: were supposed to right well speaking, and I think wait
Speaker 1: before you Unique, you texted me and said you thought
Speaker 1: something sounded off about or something weird with Lea's vocals,
Speaker 1: and there is a line that is like fully ahead
Speaker 1: of the beat, which never happens. And this is speculation,
Speaker 1: but I do remember this starting to happen around this time,
Speaker 1: where if we did not have enough time to go
Speaker 1: record the song you do with the demo, we do
Speaker 1: with the demo, And I'm wondering if that's what happened
Speaker 1: here where she had a lip sync to the demo
Speaker 1: and so then they had so she had to then
Speaker 1: go back and match what she was the lip syncing,
Speaker 1: how she was lip syncing to another person singing, and
Speaker 1: so therefore the timing could have been off. Interesting. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't remember that happening at that point,
Speaker 1: but maybe all right, but it didn't happen often. It
Speaker 1: just happened every once in a while, and it was
Speaker 1: usually towards the end of the season because that's when
Speaker 1: we're now behind, right, Okay, good point.
Speaker 2: So Unique is uh is the lead of Vocal Adrenaline
Speaker 2: at this time, but Unique is now freaking out because
Speaker 2: Curtain Mercedes after their performance go to where she Unique
Speaker 2: good luck. They go to them give them a flower,
Speaker 2: and Unique is saying, I'm not going to go do it.
Speaker 2: And this is where we start to plant the seed
Speaker 2: that Unique is going to join New Directions because Unique
Speaker 2: is not feeling the love from Vocal Adrenaline, is wearing
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure and curt and Mercedes are just
Speaker 2: showing him how things are done.
Speaker 1: At McKinley.
Speaker 2: Unique performances were amazing. Alex literally is insane. The split
Speaker 2: is something that we have.
Speaker 1: To talk about. Ex.
Speaker 2: Split split lift, split lift, but also I mean, the
Speaker 2: whole thing is in heels, singing them across pinball machines
Speaker 2: and heels exactly moving pinball machines. And then Starships. Now,
Speaker 2: I thought that was amazing. I didn't think it was
Speaker 2: as good as New Direction, And I don't know if
Speaker 2: that was the editing because they were not supposed to
Speaker 2: be as good as a New Direction or they're they're
Speaker 2: their own thing. But maybe it was also the song
Speaker 2: choice because I don't love Starships, Like.
Speaker 1: I think the song choices were good, but they were
Speaker 1: a little off. And then also I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've always been a team that just has like one
Speaker 1: star and they build everything around that, right, and so
Speaker 1: I think sometimes that works better than other times, Like
Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody was obviously like oh my god, perfect, literally perfect,
Speaker 1: and it did feel like it didn't work as well,
Speaker 1: like I just want to see unique. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: also what it was.
Speaker 2: I think it was the shooting of it, Like the
Speaker 2: shots of it were very much on unique the whole time,
Speaker 2: which they should be. But I know that Zag and
Speaker 2: Brook they choreograph for the bigger picture. For vocal Adrenaline,
Speaker 2: I knew we didn't see that as much. It was
Speaker 2: much more closer tighter shots and like the timing of
Speaker 2: a lot of things, even in new direction stuff. Some
Speaker 2: of these cannons didn't quite hit like of us moving
Speaker 2: because they were on close ups of people versus the
Speaker 2: wide shot.
Speaker 1: However, they did get that crazy move a vocal journaline
Speaker 1: where they were launching those girls, oh my, going through
Speaker 1: the air and being caught and all of our everybody's
Speaker 1: reactions were so good and real because that was insane,
Speaker 1: Like Zach and Brook. Somehow every year managed to think
Speaker 1: of some crazier, bigger move yes than the year before.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how they do it. Psychos full psycho,
Speaker 1: but I mean just watching Alex Nowell perform is just
Speaker 1: thank god we got two songs. Well we had to.
Speaker 1: I want to watch Alex perform anything, everything, anything. I
Speaker 1: also really loved Curtain Mercedes. When they were talking to
Speaker 1: me before Kurt says, you know, maybe because unique or
Speaker 1: Weight is concerned that they can't conjure the strength, and
Speaker 1: when Kurt is like, maybe unique, unique can carry that
Speaker 1: for you, and it was just really beautiful and I
Speaker 1: liked it. They've become they're passing down like they've had
Speaker 1: to go through the hard times and find their people
Speaker 1: that support them, and now they're passing it. They're passing
Speaker 1: it on well exactly.
Speaker 2: It was very reminiscent of Kurt like and Chris even
Speaker 2: taking on the pressure of being this massive gay icon
Speaker 2: on a massive show. Yes, and like ever, when they
Speaker 2: were saying that, he was saying that, I was hearing like, oh, yep,
Speaker 2: exactly when I feel like, why do I have to
Speaker 2: be responsible the post Chier for all, It's like mm.
Speaker 1: Hmm, totally, it's exactly. Yeah, it was exactly. It was
Speaker 1: very well set, very well, very well. I love that scene.
Speaker 1: I love that scene. And also it turns out there's
Speaker 1: an MVP award at Nationals. I guess so, but we
Speaker 1: didn't know.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't know because we've never been to a final Nationals,
Speaker 2: So I don't actually want to know why they did that.
Speaker 2: Was it to divert the like, to prolong the win,
Speaker 2: like because the MVP usually comes from the winning team.
Speaker 2: Did they then think, like, is this going to prolong
Speaker 2: the audience's thinking that it's going to be vocal adrenaline
Speaker 2: that new direction is going to lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like it's that because then you do
Speaker 1: see the new directions reaction and it looks very concerned.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's something to justify Vocal Journaline
Speaker 1: not winning because Alex is so good that to not
Speaker 1: have Alex's team are your active team win feels crazy
Speaker 1: and so it sort of softens that. I think it
Speaker 1: makes it more realistic, like, Okay, the team doesn't win,
Speaker 1: but Unique was so good that we have to award
Speaker 1: her in this way. And so then as a team effort,
Speaker 1: new Directions wins, which makes more sense to me. So
Speaker 1: we've got Vocal and General and through all of this,
Speaker 1: Thibodeau has been there right, has witnessed the whole scene. Yes,
Speaker 1: And on her way out, she gets stopped by Jesse
Speaker 1: Saint James, and Jesse Saint James tells her, I heard
Speaker 1: what happened with Rachel Berry, and I just need you
Speaker 1: to know she's the most talented person I've ever met.
Speaker 1: Not what I was going to expect from him. No,
Speaker 1: And then I also thought car Tipboat would be like, no,
Speaker 1: she put you up to this sort of reaction, and
Speaker 1: it was a really nice exchange and also something I
Speaker 1: felt like that was really humbling for Jesse Saint James
Speaker 1: because since the start of Glee Vocal Journaline has been it.
Speaker 1: Nobody has been better or been able to beat vocal Jorenaline,
Speaker 1: and Jesse's been the star, right, and but that's all
Speaker 1: still like small town Ohio stuff, right, And then Thibodeau
Speaker 1: from the big city and the Star then tells Jesse like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: I remember your audition for me and like it was okay,
Speaker 1: right right right, and for her then whatever happens with
Speaker 1: Rachel Berry and for him to say that out of
Speaker 1: Rachel Berry, it all is leading to this realization of
Speaker 1: how destined and talented Rachel actually is outside of you know,
Speaker 1: where they're from and their circumstances. Well.
Speaker 2: Also kudos to the writers for re do you mean
Speaker 2: carbon Thibodeau somehow? Because she she is very tough and
Speaker 2: she's very harsh, and for her to remember his audition
Speaker 2: and the specifics of it was, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she is the real deal. Like she she's legit. She's
Speaker 2: not just being.
Speaker 1: The devil? Do you know what I mean it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Do you like that She's He's saying Gine's
Speaker 1: in the sky for her love And I also can't
Speaker 1: I want to see him do that. I do too.
Speaker 1: He'd be a lot of spit.
Speaker 2: So much spit would be a lot of spit, because
Speaker 2: that is the most you have to enunciate in the world.
Speaker 2: She is right about something that is one of sometime's
Speaker 2: hardest pieces ever.
Speaker 1: Love it. Did you have you got your college degree
Speaker 1: in musical theater, in theater performance in my musical theater. Yes,
Speaker 1: going into that school, applying to that school. Was there
Speaker 1: an audition process like this? Oh yeah, every school has
Speaker 1: an audition process for the programs. You have to get
Speaker 1: into the school on the program. So did you encounter
Speaker 1: any people that were reminiscent of to Dodo? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. My the the head of my theater musical
Speaker 1: theater department, was very much like that. She's very tough
Speaker 1: and not well liked by a lot of people. So
Speaker 1: then this is really.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was I was told I walk like
Speaker 2: a pigeon.
Speaker 1: I still that.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of a lot of things, and
Speaker 2: she's redeemed herself and we're we're all good now. But
Speaker 2: I guess, but it is. It is similar in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways. And then there's other harsher schools to
Speaker 2: swallow conservatories. But yes, this is true. This is truer
Speaker 2: than the Nationals and the show higher competitions.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah yeah, how did I mean? How many rounds
Speaker 1: do you have to go through?
Speaker 2: Like? Was it just one audition? Yes, it was one
Speaker 2: audition for I don't think I had to perform for
Speaker 2: my minor?
Speaker 1: Did I have to?
Speaker 2: I did have to do a monologue for my theater
Speaker 2: performance audition, and maybe I did have to sing to
Speaker 2: get into the minor.
Speaker 1: I had a lot.
Speaker 2: I had auditioned for quite a few schools. I think
Speaker 2: Juilliard has more rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, obviously I didn't make it
Speaker 1: past the first round Juilliard, right, he did, hopefully so
Speaker 1: who artist? Of course he did. That makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: He turned down going to Juilliard to do glee.
Speaker 2: He did for dance for dance, yes, yes he did.
Speaker 2: I think to move. I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: specifically for really, but oh my god, okay, I can't
Speaker 2: wait to have take apart to some time.
Speaker 1: I'm just very I'm proud of you, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you you did all that. That seems very intimidating.
Speaker 2: It's very stressful and very intimidating and very scary, and
Speaker 2: you just want to give up sometimes, but like Rachel Berry,
Speaker 2: you just do.
Speaker 1: You're going to New York hell or high water. I
Speaker 1: mean you were Rachel Berry. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: And it was really intense. And I didn't even do
Speaker 2: half the auditions that like some of these kids did,
Speaker 2: and these conservatories and things that are so hardcore. I
Speaker 2: mean so every semester, some of these conservatories have I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's like this anymore, but they have
Speaker 2: juries where you go in front of the whole board
Speaker 2: of like teachers, and they can kick you out of
Speaker 2: the school.
Speaker 1: At any point or out of the program at any point.
Speaker 1: Was there any sense of animosity because you had already
Speaker 1: been on Broadway? Like, was there any sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: just because you've done it and you think you're good,
Speaker 1: are we going to put extra pressure on you exactly
Speaker 1: to prove that shit? Basically yes, exactly, like you got
Speaker 1: to prove yourself. I felt a lot of pressure to
Speaker 1: prove myself that I could do this because I hadn't
Speaker 1: been in Spring Awakening or Waitress yet or done any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It was a lot of kids stuff,
Speaker 1: So it was like, could I prove that I was
Speaker 1: actually worthy of being in this industry as not just
Speaker 1: a kid but an adult artist. And so that was
Speaker 1: like I put major pressure on myself to do that,
Speaker 1: and so that was really hard. And then like wanting
Speaker 1: to audition while I because I had an agent through
Speaker 1: all throughout college. A lot of college programs you do
Speaker 1: the senior showcase to then get an agent and manager
Speaker 1: and get representation. I already had it, and so a
Speaker 1: lot of schools don't want you to audition outside because
Speaker 1: number one, they don't feel like you're ready, and number two,
Speaker 1: you're you're representing the school, so like when you come out,
Speaker 1: they want you to be ready and represent what they've
Speaker 1: taught you.
Speaker 2: And so they really don't support people who have agents
Speaker 2: who are working. And then also if you're working, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of performance based classes where you have to
Speaker 2: show up and you can't just like read from the
Speaker 2: textbook and take the test and then you know, like
Speaker 2: lecture hall style. And so there was a lot of
Speaker 2: drama that I went through in school because of that.
Speaker 1: Well, despite all that, you got in and you graduated
Speaker 1: in three years with a major ani minor. So I did.
Speaker 2: I did what Annelie Ashford did, So she's obviously you
Speaker 2: know everybody knows who Anily Ashford is at this point now.
Speaker 2: And I literally saw she. I had the same ta.
Speaker 2: I said, give me that her courses, give me everything
Speaker 2: that she did and get me on at the same time.
Speaker 1: And they did. Were you in the same year.
Speaker 2: She was a year ahead of me, early two years
Speaker 2: out of me, And so I saw her do it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I need to do that. She's
Speaker 2: the only one I would see it. Auditions like equity
Speaker 2: auditions in the mornings before class.
Speaker 1: Also, you would go to auditions and in the morning
Speaker 1: before class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because epas you have to go really early to
Speaker 2: sign up to get on the list, to like make
Speaker 2: it before their day ends. She'd have a little roly suitcase,
Speaker 2: and you just like sick of seeing your best sixteen
Speaker 2: bars and hope that they see something in you if
Speaker 2: you don't have an agent, right, Yeah, And I also
Speaker 2: went anyway because I even if my agent didn't get
Speaker 2: that audition, I would go.
Speaker 1: This makes so much sense because I feel like if
Speaker 1: you have been through that, you you're just cut from
Speaker 1: a different cloth. Like you you're wherewithal to withstand different situations.
Speaker 1: It's just so much higher than the rest of us.
Speaker 1: And I think because like you, you've done it, where
Speaker 1: like you've grinded, you've hustled. You know exactly what it's like.
Speaker 1: And coming from working as a kid and then going
Speaker 1: through that and then coming out of it and working
Speaker 1: as an adult, it's not like you've ever coasted, right,
Speaker 1: and you've fought for all of it, and you.
Speaker 2: Like Glee, also felt like normal almost to me, Like
Speaker 2: the hustle felt normal to me. Yes, it didn't feel
Speaker 2: if it was hard, but it didn't feel out of
Speaker 2: the ordinary until like now when you look back, you're like,
Speaker 2: none of that is normal.
Speaker 1: What was out of the ordinary was the facing, the
Speaker 1: public interfacing of it all, right, like you hadn't really
Speaker 1: experienced that yet, Yes, exactly. That was a very different experience.
Speaker 1: That was a very because if it was just the
Speaker 1: work and it was the sixteen hour days and whatever, right,
Speaker 1: I think it probably would have had very little effect
Speaker 1: on most of us. But I think it's yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think especially like you or like Matt or Leah
Speaker 1: who come from that world, like, yeah, you guys, theater
Speaker 1: is hard, and if you can do theater, you can
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 2: And so I.
Speaker 1: Feel like the fame of it all is what makes
Speaker 1: people funny, Oh totally, because that's mental. It's another mental
Speaker 1: constraint that there's no training for, right.
Speaker 2: And then social media on top of it, and like
Speaker 2: the acceptance of was already a thing as an artist.
Speaker 2: You're looking for external gratification, yes, from elsewhere exactly already
Speaker 2: as an artist. That's part partially what it is when
Speaker 2: you start out, and then you get all of this,
Speaker 2: like you're surrounded by yes, people who tell you you're
Speaker 2: amazing and all of this, and then you're also brought
Speaker 2: down by all of these like criticisms and reading the
Speaker 2: comments and all of that, and that brings you down
Speaker 2: and you're like is this real?
Speaker 1: This isn't real.
Speaker 2: But then it still feels good when you get good validation.
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of that that was. And
Speaker 2: then like you know, working on the weekends and the
Speaker 2: press and all of that, which was like kind of
Speaker 2: comes with the job. It's like it's a taxing time
Speaker 2: because you don't have time to sit down and like
Speaker 2: have a moment with your thoughts. You're just surrounded by
Speaker 2: it all the time. We were just working all the time.
Speaker 2: That being said, though, I also feel like part of
Speaker 2: coming from theater is. It's also really tough mentally, where
Speaker 2: like people are not kind, right, Like you're in constant
Speaker 2: competition with one another. You also get reviews hmm, but
Speaker 2: I feel like it's so insulated from the rest of
Speaker 2: the world. Yes, it's a very small community.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. It's very small community. You
Speaker 1: all know each other totally. But there is also I
Speaker 1: feel like, as competitive and as vicious as a theater
Speaker 1: community community can be, there's also this underlying support because
Speaker 1: to do it is to care about it, and if
Speaker 1: you respect one another because you all care about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what it takes to be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cut throat, it's not vicious. It's cutthroat for sure.
Speaker 2: I think they're different. But you're right, you are a
Speaker 2: great I agree with you. I do agree with you.
Speaker 2: It is, but it is much more insulart than the
Speaker 2: spread and the reach that we had on the show.
Speaker 2: So it's definitely anyway, well you did it, we did
Speaker 2: do it, that's right. I always that if you need
Speaker 2: something done, ask like that's funny, nothing gets in your way.
Speaker 1: You can do everything. I feel like you go through
Speaker 1: all that at a young age and it carries over
Speaker 1: into other parts of your life. That's interesting. I didn't
Speaker 1: even think about it like that. And also, your voice
Speaker 1: is just better than ever, so she still got it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so nice. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: agree with you. That's true. Look if Amber says it,
Speaker 1: then you know it's true. And she said it.
Speaker 2: Okay, just take it anyway. So new directions, back on track,
Speaker 2: Back on track, New directions.
Speaker 1: Wins.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we win. We really do win. It's
Speaker 2: pretty crazy. But we had to win, like we weren't
Speaker 2: going to not win at this point, right, there.
Speaker 1: Was no way to not win.
Speaker 2: I also feel like Brad saying like, oh, you couldn't
Speaker 2: win the first time around. I kind of knew we
Speaker 2: were going to win the second time around, like inside
Speaker 2: our Glee bubble, I kind of we weren't going to win, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think maybe we knew. I think because
Speaker 1: we didn't win the second time. It was or the
Speaker 1: first time it was like, okay, well then we have
Speaker 1: to like we are going to win the next because
Speaker 1: who's going to stick around after watching for three seasons
Speaker 1: and this is crap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was just you know, agreed, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: very exciting. I actually really love the scene where we're
Speaker 2: looking at the trophy and like taking it in and
Speaker 2: I remember shooting that after the Champagne, which we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: I love that scene. I love that moment. And actually
Speaker 1: all these celebrations felt really great, even our interactions in
Speaker 1: the slow mo of us getting the trophy on stage
Speaker 1: and all of us hugging each other, and it all felt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it felt really sweet.
Speaker 2: There was also a celebratory thing because it was like
Speaker 2: this was our last competition together altogether, like we were
Speaker 2: not all going to perform together.
Speaker 1: Did you feel that while watching it?
Speaker 2: Totally? I understand. I was a viewer the feeling that
Speaker 2: the emotion that they must have been feeling at that
Speaker 2: time of this is the end of an era.
Speaker 1: Because I have to say, Corey and Lea really carried
Speaker 1: that woo because one Corey saying his ass off he
Speaker 1: was so good, like what but like Corey's best asset
Speaker 1: I think is his acting is through all of those
Speaker 1: things where he's not just singing a song the whole time.
Speaker 1: Through his performance, I was reminded, this is a kid
Speaker 1: who's never going to get to do this again. This
Speaker 1: is his last performance with his high school best friends
Speaker 1: before they all go off. Yeah, and I was it
Speaker 1: was so emotional. It was really emotional. They didn't present
Speaker 1: too where it felt like the characters are present taking
Speaker 1: it all in, like we know we're good at this,
Speaker 1: we know we can do this, and we've been here before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it felt joyous like all the performances like when
Speaker 1: you guys are doing Trouble Tones stuff. Everyone was on
Speaker 1: that wavelength and it just felt really impactful to watch
Speaker 1: and emotional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. The numbers were great. I don't know how
Speaker 2: do you feel about Edge of Glory because I don't
Speaker 2: think it was the best Trouble Tones number they've done
Speaker 2: by far, but I love that song.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. It definitely wasn't my favorite trouble
Speaker 1: Tones number. And also I think because of how the
Speaker 1: dance was shot, it ended up looking sloppy. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: because I think I things were timed. Layers on the risers,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, and so if you're in too close,
Speaker 1: it just looks like people are messing up and going
Speaker 1: at different times exactly.
Speaker 2: Canons. The whole thing was cannons. Yes, is that what
Speaker 2: that's called.
Speaker 1: That's what a cannon is. Yeah, like ro ro Ro.
Speaker 1: You're ro it's a cannon. That's what you meant by cannon.
Speaker 1: I'm uneducated. What have we learned? You are educated? I
Speaker 1: am not. You read books. Yeah, but that's not the
Speaker 1: profession I'm in. So you're doing the wrong thing. I'm like, Row,
Speaker 1: that's a cannon. That's the profession I'm in, parenting. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I do think that that is, you know, that
Speaker 1: is sort of what was missing from the edge of
Speaker 1: Glory moments. Yeah, and some of those. And I think
Speaker 1: what you said about vocal adrenalists too. You need those
Speaker 1: wider shots to get the full picture. But boy, what
Speaker 1: I did love that version, Like I love that Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I loved having all of you like come in
Speaker 1: for a line here, going for a line there. Diana
Speaker 1: was singing during my solo, by the way, well there
Speaker 1: were a couple of times too. I looked at some
Speaker 1: of the dancers and they were also just singing when
Speaker 1: really just a solo going on. And I think it
Speaker 1: was just a mess. Just be better to be safe
Speaker 1: than sorry. There could be a background in there, just
Speaker 1: very very low. It was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a moment where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: even in passion, like Paradise. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not right, but it's okay. It's not right, but
Speaker 2: it's okay.
Speaker 1: Paradise.
Speaker 2: We really do not We were learning those lyrics like
Speaker 2: on the side of the stage only yeah, we got
Speaker 2: those that morning. I think we were learning them in
Speaker 2: the trailer. I remember Tim coming in the trail, the
Speaker 2: makeup trailer because it was so last minute. Remember they
Speaker 2: did that overnight.
Speaker 1: That's right, and we didn't. I remember learning very last minute.
Speaker 1: I think maybe had one rehearsal of Paradise by dashboard
Speaker 1: like that I was in. I'm not in that number much,
Speaker 1: so it's not there's not a lot to do, right,
Speaker 1: but it was very I'm barely hanging on to this.
Speaker 2: I'm to be really yeah, yeah, yeah, just roll across
Speaker 2: the stage and I think you look like.
Speaker 1: Somebody pushed me, and then I'll get there totally.
Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of platforms for you, so
Speaker 2: those made it difficult.
Speaker 1: That's true. I also think it's funny to me. So
Speaker 1: so many people have said that this is one of
Speaker 1: the most memorable or one of their favorite performances in Glee,
Speaker 1: and that My only thinking for why that could be
Speaker 1: is because of what.
Speaker 2: It means, right, emotional connection, what a weird song? What
Speaker 2: is a weird song? And then like the number itself
Speaker 2: is so like separate. So there's like three people and
Speaker 2: three people and you're running and then you're free form
Speaker 2: rocking and it's like it's just chaotic. It's actually what
Speaker 2: it is. And I don't think it was the most impactful.
Speaker 2: It's not like Somebody to Love, No, you know, but
Speaker 2: it's good and it's and it's big, and it felt
Speaker 2: like new directions of vocal adrenaline moment, which I also understand.
Speaker 1: The movement of it is a little more vocal adrenaline. Yes,
Speaker 1: how do I say.
Speaker 2: This refined in that way where it's like a little
Speaker 2: more sterile. Yes, it's a lot more technically good. Yes,
Speaker 2: yes exactly.
Speaker 1: But then you have acting their faces off, so right,
Speaker 1: telling the story, which is the important part of it.
Speaker 1: And I think we deserve to win after looking at
Speaker 1: all of those performances. I mean, Starlight Express that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm glad they put it down. So we win,
Speaker 2: and we go back to McKinley and and we when
Speaker 2: we shot Tongue Tied, I remember Eric not letting us
Speaker 2: see the sign really Yeah, for some reason, I remember
Speaker 2: him trying to keep all of it a secret.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. That sounds very Eric, and like I
Speaker 1: was very emotional watching it. Yeah, it was my favorite
Speaker 1: part of the episode. So good.
Speaker 2: I remember shooting it, I remember, I remember everything about it,
Speaker 2: and then like watching it back, I was like, oh crap,
Speaker 2: this is so good and all the moments within it
Speaker 2: like too, it's just so so Glee, like the five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars that Finn and pokuin and the chrack and
Speaker 2: then the champagne, which I remember shooting that part and
Speaker 2: I never wanted to be in the champagne or the
Speaker 2: paint or the whatever. I just never wanted the cleanup.
Speaker 2: I never wanted to do it. I don't like mess.
Speaker 2: And Eric told Harry, whispered to Harry and was like,
Speaker 2: go get jemmauck you Eric, and.
Speaker 1: He got me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're really good. And my whole hair was My
Speaker 2: hair was all wet. We were all soaked, soaked, you
Speaker 2: got soaked. But it was really fun.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun, and it just like Eric
Speaker 1: was so good encouraging Mess and that way my memory
Speaker 1: of this, of course, per usual is the recording of
Speaker 1: the song, and it was a hellish experience because it
Speaker 1: was so high for me, and there was this one
Speaker 1: really long note and because I'm not properly trained and
Speaker 1: Alex New likes to call me out on the I
Speaker 1: don't have great breath support and I could not do
Speaker 1: the note. And and this scene was happening, like, oh god,
Speaker 1: oh god, is it in the TV edit? And it
Speaker 1: sure was. And I just sawt like, hey, what are you?
Speaker 2: I thought it sounded good, but seeing the celebration was
Speaker 2: just so so good. I loved it. And also just
Speaker 2: like the whole school celebrating new directions finally, Yes, Like
Speaker 2: that felt like the victory was like a new direction
Speaker 2: is finally being accepted and celebrated finally. That's really what
Speaker 2: got me. Like the signs, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm out. I felt really good shooting that too. Do
Speaker 1: you remember like when we did that going down the
Speaker 1: halls and.
Speaker 2: It's really fun. Yeah, And like the kisses, they're all
Speaker 2: really cute.
Speaker 1: It really felt real in a lot of ways. It was.
Speaker 1: It was it's like when you do get to the
Speaker 1: end of school school year and like your class schedule
Speaker 1: is different, and so it feels different in those halls.
Speaker 1: You know. That's how it felt because it was such
Speaker 1: a different environment from how like these characters normally operate
Speaker 1: within those halls. Right, it just felt like that that
Speaker 1: you naturally wanted to celebrate.
Speaker 2: It also felt like a he was like tying up
Speaker 2: loose sentence kind of thing. He felt very like, oh,
Speaker 2: Eric did such a beautiful job with that, like really
Speaker 2: just putting a pin on, Like it was just really good.
Speaker 1: It's been three years of these students not winning, three
Speaker 1: years of them getting close and just constantly being the underdog,
Speaker 1: and then when they finally do, it felt like the
Speaker 1: proper celebration. Yeah, of that. The weird thing was let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. Oh the pamphlet. As much as I
Speaker 1: love Emma and her pamphlets and her pamphlets, I was like,
Speaker 1: why is this in her cut with the students celebrating
Speaker 1: like their teachers getting it on and it wasn't that important?
Speaker 1: It felt so weird of like you deserved it because
Speaker 1: wasn't that important? Why She's like, can we do that
Speaker 1: in the separate thing? Does that need to be tied
Speaker 1: to this? I don't know why it made me so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: It made me uncomfortable too. I think you made a
Speaker 2: lot of feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But maybe that tell us.
Speaker 2: Yeah us, I don't know, Well, it brings us to
Speaker 2: mister Shoe. Yeah, mister Shoe finally getting credit where it's due.
Speaker 1: This is a poem.
Speaker 2: This is the Teacher of the Year award, which I
Speaker 2: don't know that we've ever had before either. And so
Speaker 2: you thinks she's getting it, or she knows she's not
Speaker 2: getting it, but she's leading mister Shoode to believe that
Speaker 2: he's not going to get it and that she's gonna
Speaker 2: get it. This is very sweet. It's so sweet, mister
Speaker 2: getting Teacher of the year. Did we shoot I have
Speaker 2: a question for you. Did we shoot that behind the
Speaker 2: curtain at the Cows State Day.
Speaker 1: As opposed to at McKinley. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: think they would have done that.
Speaker 2: But we're in the same outfits here, Yeah, we're in
Speaker 2: our competition outfits, which we all had to get to
Speaker 2: again because Leah's hair was different. I'm pretty sure to
Speaker 2: ask if she thought we shot that on the same
Speaker 2: day as our performances, But it's not because we shot
Speaker 2: our performances on location and we had to get back in.
Speaker 2: But Lea's hair is very different. It's much curlier, and
Speaker 2: there's any.
Speaker 1: Extra time to film extra things.
Speaker 2: Except for that behind the curtain, which I thought maybe,
Speaker 2: but then I don't think that's right. Maybe my memory
Speaker 2: is just playing tricks on me. Anyway, make them hair
Speaker 2: did a really good job of continuity because we looked
Speaker 2: exactly the same except Rely's hair.
Speaker 1: Are you saying Leah's hair is different behind the curtain?
Speaker 1: That is in front of the curtain. Just the competition itself,
Speaker 1: competition to teacher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, mister Shue gets Teacher of the Year ord.
Speaker 1: It's very cute, you know. Leah doing her like almost
Speaker 1: gets me. It's very good.
Speaker 2: Well, it's because she was very emotional about like the
Speaker 2: end of the show and so I think or the
Speaker 2: end of this part of this chapter of the show,
Speaker 2: and you could tell she was actually probably trying not
Speaker 2: to cry even more because it as a character. You're like,
Speaker 2: we don't need her bawling. She probably would have, but
Speaker 2: it gets me too, It always gets me. And Corey
Speaker 2: just not crying and being his kind of approach was
Speaker 2: also is very powerful, and they that's why they make
Speaker 2: such a good team.
Speaker 1: It's really sweet. I think it's sweet. I think it's sweet.
Speaker 1: Do you remember filming this, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Also very quick, also very quick, mister Saltz. I think
Speaker 2: we did it twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was remarkably fast. Yes, yes, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: It goes along with that we did shoot things out
Speaker 1: of order. I mean we usually did. It was just
Speaker 1: what saves the most time money exactly. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: he wanted to tear word.
Speaker 2: Looks and sue and even the sue like giving him,
Speaker 2: like the reaction was just really sweet.
Speaker 1: Sweet, and it was just again, it was just nice
Speaker 1: to see everybody winning. It was nice to see the
Speaker 1: good guys and our show finally get there due across
Speaker 1: the board, everybody could win together. It was so nice, just.
Speaker 2: Will the whole episode like feeling like what if we
Speaker 2: don't win, and the fear of it all, like yeah,
Speaker 2: we're raising the stakes.
Speaker 1: It felt like quintessentially it really it was just joyous
Speaker 1: and funny and celebratory of these underdogs and like it
Speaker 1: it was a great episode. Yeah, And I think I
Speaker 1: would like to hear from people too, like if you
Speaker 1: were watching this, whether you're you know streaming it now
Speaker 1: or you're watching and it was on, like, how did
Speaker 1: it feel to finally get to this and this is
Speaker 1: what happened? And also it wasn't the season finale. It
Speaker 1: feels like a season finale. It certainly does. There's more
Speaker 1: Game of Throne style where an olden episode had the
Speaker 1: crazies stuff happening. Oh my god, that episode. Should we
Speaker 1: rate these performances? Okay, let's glory, Jenna, Okay, give it a.
Speaker 2: Okay, A plus I'm coming back to me now, A
Speaker 2: plus paradise, paradise. I also give it a name.
Speaker 1: Day whatever that was? Hey, yeah, wait, I can't get
Speaker 1: past starship. The lyric change higher than any other of
Speaker 1: any other I couldn't get. That's why I think I
Speaker 1: fast forward. Also, I don't know why, but the music
Speaker 1: in this episode was mixed so interestingly, where the leads
Speaker 1: were so hot and the backgrounds are so low that
Speaker 1: all you hear is just higher than any other, literally
Speaker 1: higher than any other vocal or instrument, like it was.
Speaker 1: That's right, Alex something, I mean, I get the performance
Speaker 1: of B.
Speaker 3: Plus B plus just because right tongue tighty A plus
Speaker 3: plus the sex plus your your vocal including your vocals.
Speaker 2: We are the champions. It was really sweet, a for
Speaker 2: effort and emotional.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, let's.
Speaker 2: Do some Tardi takes. The cringe moments, I think the
Speaker 2: teacher giving talking about her intervention episode, coming out and
Speaker 2: her addiction to pain killers. I was like, wrong time,
Speaker 2: wrong place, wrong.
Speaker 1: Right. I mean Alex's split lift. The split split lift
Speaker 1: was stupid. It's so good. Best song. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Paradise just because it encapsulates everything. Okay, it's a
Speaker 1: weird song, but the performance, I think, okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's a tough line between the performance versus song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the prop I mean that big ass trophy of course,
Speaker 1: and a personal one that the popcorn best lines.
Speaker 2: When it's to hear cringe moment it Fall's response is
Speaker 2: go softly into that street.
Speaker 1: It's all so good. He is so good. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of lines and scenes in an episode and he
Speaker 1: just makes me a lot. It's so good.
Speaker 2: Also, Jesse saying most people don't realize they lost ten
Speaker 2: pounds during and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, justice for cackle. He I will saying I
Speaker 1: just don't want everything we work for to collapse because
Speaker 1: of one bad Brido. It's also like conscious to me,
Speaker 1: it's so silly accurate. It doesn't take much to bring
Speaker 1: us down. Performance MVP. Oh man, this is a good one. Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I have to say we never give Jane m VP,
Speaker 2: but she's always just so solid that sometimes I think
Speaker 2: it gets overlooked. Sure, but I give her honorable mention
Speaker 2: in this episode. Mm hmm, I think I think.
Speaker 1: It's a Leah Cory. Yeah, I think it's Ally and
Speaker 1: Corey agreed. Okay, you really sold this whole episode. Totally
Speaker 1: dip to Eric Stoltz because he directed a beast of
Speaker 1: an episode. Oh you know what, You're right, just clap
Speaker 1: it out forts And also behind the scenes another behind
Speaker 1: the scenes anible mentioned to Megan Doyle for she knows
Speaker 1: what she had to do. We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: If she's listening, you really did, okay, Jenna. So, because
Speaker 1: the oscars are recently, we have two ship we found
Speaker 1: on tiktoks this week that are related. So first up,
Speaker 1: we have our girl, kig Lee b Okay, proving that
Speaker 1: the Glee cast collectively has egots because and she goes
Speaker 1: through it all. You have Darren and Jane with Emmy's
Speaker 1: you have Phineas and graph with Grammys, and Phineas with
Speaker 1: now two Oscars. Congrats Phineas and Billy, and truly we
Speaker 1: have ours, truly Witz Alex nowle Alie Stroker with Tony
Speaker 1: Winz Jenna has two and so collectively Glee is egotted,
Speaker 1: Damn Gina. It's good. Isn't that amazing? Oh? I love that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I mean also like Adina mph Gwyneth Christen,
Speaker 1: they also have Damn Awards, but for the people who
Speaker 1: were on the show more often, you know, like Glee
Speaker 1: club members. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Like, there we go,
Speaker 1: and our next one is this by our good friends
Speaker 1: at the Gleek of the Week pod, This wonderful Glee
Speaker 1: as Best Picture nominees. It goes through. It's phenomenal. It's
Speaker 1: so good for Barbie, it's you know, Leah saying it
Speaker 1: tastes like pink, Oh my gosh, so good.
Speaker 2: All the nominations are linked up with a scene or
Speaker 2: a line from Glee.
Speaker 1: Perfect. It's phenomenal work like this is a movie within itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: win an award. It's one of my favorite tiktoks I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Oh I love it. It's phenomenal. The Zone
Speaker 1: of Interest one dark but yeah, great work. I love this.
Speaker 1: I love this so much. It tastes like bank Anatomy
Speaker 1: of a Fall was crazy also, but that is our should.
Speaker 1: We found on tiktoks this week. You need to go
Speaker 1: look them up if you have not seen them, because
Speaker 1: they are phenomenal. Jen and I love this episode. Love
Speaker 1: this episode. And next week we have Goodbye. It's graduation
Speaker 1: from most of the Gleek Club. So see you next time.
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