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Speaker 3: Some dynasty chat.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about first round values today, kind of
Speaker 1: asking the question, what can you trade your rookie first
Speaker 1: round picks four or vice versa in your dynasty leagues?
Speaker 1: As of right now, we're still, you know, obviously a
Speaker 1: few weeks away from the draft, so some of this
Speaker 1: stuff is still kind of subject to change here and there,
Speaker 1: but we figured it's a good time to kind of
Speaker 1: step back and get a snapshot of what these picks
Speaker 1: are actually being valued at in real leagues right now,
Speaker 1: just to let everybody know. All of our early twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four consensus rankings and tiers can be found at
Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com slash rankings. You can also navigate from
Speaker 1: there to our staff dynasty rankings on the site as well. Also,
Speaker 1: we compiled a bunch of mailbag questions that were sent
Speaker 1: to us on Twitter or x what ever. We're supposed
Speaker 1: to call it now, so we're gonna be doing that
Speaker 1: for the second half of the show.
Speaker 3: First half we'll be talking first round pick values.
Speaker 1: Second half we will be answering some mail bag questions,
Speaker 1: So thank you everybody for sending those in.
Speaker 3: Fitz. Let's jump right in.
Speaker 1: We will start at the very top, and the way
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this is we're going to look at
Speaker 1: these not each individual pick, but we're gonna look at
Speaker 1: them as in tiers. So we kind of talked and
Speaker 1: broke it into four tiers of the first round, and
Speaker 1: tier one I think to both of us is pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: The one oh one Caleb Williams and by the way,
Speaker 1: I should say this.
Speaker 3: Is super flex is what we're assuming.
Speaker 1: One oh one Caleb Williams and one O two Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior. We think those are the clear tier one.
Speaker 1: So how are you approaching either trading away or for
Speaker 1: those two players or really those two picks, but we're
Speaker 1: kind of referring to them as the two players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I think it's a clear cut tier
Speaker 2: with those two players. I know some people like Maleik
Speaker 2: Neighbors as much as or more than Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 2: which is cool, and in one QB dynasty leagues, I
Speaker 2: think it is kind of a two man tier also
Speaker 2: with those two wide receivers at the top. But boy,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think worm, you are going to have
Speaker 2: to pay through the nose if if you want to
Speaker 2: acquire one of these picks, And I can't imagine they're
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of deals involving one on
Speaker 2: one and one oh two in the run up to
Speaker 2: rookie drafts just because of the price. In what an
Speaker 2: extraordinary year this is as as far as top end talent.
Speaker 2: And maybe some people aren't all in on Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: or Marvin Harrison, but I don't know. I kind of
Speaker 2: think they should be, so I guess one way to
Speaker 2: justify it is if you're doing a complete teardown, you're
Speaker 2: willing to deal some still productive veterans and probably multiple
Speaker 2: productive veterans for that cornerstone piece to start your rebuild,
Speaker 2: you know, or maybe you are on the cusp of
Speaker 2: a championship and you think that window is open and
Speaker 2: you think that multiple productive veterans would do you more
Speaker 2: good than either Caleb or Marvin Harrison could do for you.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because last year I was actually in
Speaker 1: one of those positions where I had the one oh
Speaker 1: one in our work dynasty league, and I was very
Speaker 1: clearly in rebuild mode and the one on one last
Speaker 1: year was very obviously bijon, and so I said, listen,
Speaker 1: he's a running back. I'm not going to be contending
Speaker 1: the next two years. Let me get a huge hall
Speaker 1: for him, which I did from our friend Mike Mayer.
Speaker 1: This year is different because you're looking at a quarterback
Speaker 1: and a wide receiver, not a running back. So these
Speaker 1: are foundational pieces that even if you are in rebuild mode,
Speaker 1: they should still be good for you for a decade plus.
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit different than it was, you know,
Speaker 1: for me last year as well. Are there I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean looking at Caleb specifically too, like in startup
Speaker 1: drafts in super flex leagues, I think he's very likely
Speaker 1: a first round pick. He's you know, if you were
Speaker 1: looking to trade in a super flex dynasty league, like
Speaker 1: you know, Justin.
Speaker 3: Herbert or c. J. Stroud or Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: One of these like not like top of the Tier
Speaker 1: one quarterbacks, but like next one's down and that kind
Speaker 1: of feels like where you and others are.
Speaker 3: Ranking Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: You're looking at like three first round picks or something
Speaker 1: like that at middlem like just to start the conference.
Speaker 1: So if we're saying Caleb is in that that sort
Speaker 1: of region already in terms of value, then that kind
Speaker 1: of feels like where the conversation at least gets started, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Borough comparison is pretty apt, Like I
Speaker 2: think the value is maybe pretty similar with those two
Speaker 2: Burrow obviously older but more proven. I'd rather have Caleb
Speaker 2: than Justin Herbert right now in a drive, just because
Speaker 2: of the way it seems like things are headed with
Speaker 2: the Chargers. With Greg Roman running the offense, which you
Speaker 2: should know all about Worm as a Ravens fan, They're
Speaker 2: not going to be pass heavy surprise, surprise. I'll just
Speaker 2: you know. I've read the script on the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four season and I can tell you that the Ravens
Speaker 2: will be one of the ten heaviest running teams in
Speaker 2: the NFL. So there's that I don't know. Let's say
Speaker 2: you were holding one on one Worm and I was
Speaker 2: holding one oh six. If I offered you one O
Speaker 2: six two O six, and three oh six for one
Speaker 2: oh one? Would you take it?
Speaker 3: No? I would say no, not pretty pretty quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like not, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's that's kind of how it is. Like I
Speaker 2: think for one o one like CD Lamb and a
Speaker 2: pick to get into one of those spots, or maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe some people would take CD Lamb
Speaker 2: for one o two straight up. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you could get one oh one for CD Lamb straight up,
Speaker 2: you might need to throw something in, you know, like
Speaker 2: one o two. Maybe I'm on Ross Saint Brown and
Speaker 2: a throw in.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, are you are you hit to
Speaker 3: get something?
Speaker 1: Because in our dynastyleague, I have CD Lamb and you
Speaker 1: have the one oh one. Are you trying to work
Speaker 1: a deal here right now?
Speaker 2: Like my heart is pretty set on Caleb and I
Speaker 2: need the quarterback and I.
Speaker 1: Do as well, so I can I can relate to that.
Speaker 1: Let's let's look at our Dynasty trade value chart. This
Speaker 1: is a monthly chart that we update every you know,
Speaker 1: single month on the side of Fantasy Pros. So this
Speaker 1: is as the March update, which we did update in
Speaker 1: mid March after free agency, so it's a little more
Speaker 1: recently updated, then it.
Speaker 3: Would usually be at the end of the month.
Speaker 1: Again, you can find this on fantasypros dot com the
Speaker 1: Dynasty Trade Value chart. You can google that as well
Speaker 1: to find it. And so I want to put it
Speaker 1: to the test. I'm going to give you a guy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the value of the pick, and
Speaker 1: then a player or two that is equivalent value to
Speaker 1: that in the trade value chart, and see what you
Speaker 1: would decide to do.
Speaker 3: The one oh one is valued in.
Speaker 1: Our calculations are the way we number it at ninety four.
Speaker 1: That's equal to both Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Actually,
Speaker 1: now it sounded like you said you would rather have
Speaker 1: the one oh one than Herbert.
Speaker 3: I know you're a huge Borough fan. What would you
Speaker 3: do between those two?
Speaker 2: Oh Man, that one is really tough. I would I
Speaker 2: think I would take one oh one over Burrow really close.
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather have, you know, and it maybe
Speaker 2: depends if I thought the championship window was open. I
Speaker 2: guess I'd prefer Burrow.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's reasonable.
Speaker 1: I think Caleb Williams is so intoxicating it's it's but
Speaker 1: obviously we've seen what Joe Burrow can do. I think
Speaker 1: I would probably lean Caleb as well, but I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's right that they are evenly ranked
Speaker 1: in our in terms of value here.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: You are undaunted by Caleb Williams. Hello, kitty phone.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I saw somebody say this on Twitter the other day,
Speaker 1: and I think it's really apt that Caleb Williams isn't
Speaker 1: like that weird or anything off the field. He's just
Speaker 1: the first gen Z quarterback and most football watchers don't
Speaker 1: know what that's gonna mean. But like, he's the first
Speaker 1: guy of that generation who is now in a very prominent,
Speaker 1: you know, starring quarterback position, and I think, like there,
Speaker 1: we're just going to see more and more of those
Speaker 1: That generation is I'm not even judging that, but they're
Speaker 1: their own thing, and I think that's going to.
Speaker 3: Be more and more prevalent moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun to see how that works
Speaker 2: out in Chicago, the city big shoulders, the city that works.
Speaker 2: You know, if if it's gonna fly with pink phones
Speaker 2: and Rick Flair.
Speaker 3: But if he's.
Speaker 1: Going to be the best quarterback in Franche, which I
Speaker 1: think you very likely will be, then they'll be very
Speaker 1: happy with that, and look best, I think you're right
Speaker 1: anything else.
Speaker 3: The one oh two.
Speaker 1: So you know, again we're assuming Marvin Harrison Junior here,
Speaker 1: but that pick in a vacuum is worth seventy seven
Speaker 1: on our Dynasty trade value chart. That's equivalent to Amanra
Speaker 1: Saint Brown or Kyler Murray. What do you think about
Speaker 1: those two versus the one oh two?
Speaker 2: Boy, interesting to have Kyler Murray here, since if this
Speaker 2: pick is going to be Marvin Harrison Junior, that could
Speaker 2: be Marvin Harrison Junior's quarterback in year one. Quite possibly, Boy,
Speaker 2: I would I think I'm taking Marvin Harrison Junior worm.
Speaker 2: You and I are both big ten guys. I mean,
Speaker 2: we have been watching this guy for a couple of years. Like,
Speaker 2: is there any doubt in your mind that this guy
Speaker 2: is going to be a super duper star at the
Speaker 2: NFL level?
Speaker 1: Zero zero doubt he is, Like, without hesitation, I am
Speaker 1: putting him as a top four wide receiver in Dynasty
Speaker 1: right now. I think Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, and Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb are the only three that I would take over
Speaker 1: Harrison because I think a year from now, it's very
Speaker 1: very likely unless he unless like for some reason, the
Speaker 1: Patriots do end up taking him and not solving quarterback.
Speaker 1: I could see it feeling like, well, maybe his value
Speaker 1: looks a little worse a year from now because he
Speaker 1: was in a terrible situation. That is the only outcome
Speaker 1: in which I think he is not a clear top
Speaker 1: five wide receiver after his rookie year in dynasty leagues.
Speaker 1: I just think it's I just think there's I hate
Speaker 1: putting the label can't miss on a prospect, but if
Speaker 1: you were ever going to it's Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm totally with you, and like I would not
Speaker 2: be surprised at all if he were a top ten
Speaker 2: wide receiver in redraft.
Speaker 3: You're ranking him as such.
Speaker 1: We did a show with ericson earlier in the week
Speaker 1: and we went through our top thirty six picks, and
Speaker 1: you had him what like seventeenth in your early rankings,
Speaker 1: I mean overall not a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like eleventh or twelfth. I think, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: got him way up there. I've got him. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: just outside wide receiver one range, but he is like
Speaker 2: right at the back end of wide receiver one range
Speaker 2: for me.
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Speaker 1: that make your next trade your best trade. Let's wit
Speaker 1: to Tier two here and you and I decided that
Speaker 1: this was the one of three, the one oh four,
Speaker 1: and the one oh five I think likely to be
Speaker 1: some combination of Jade Daniels, Drake May, and Elik Neighbors.
Speaker 1: That's how we're looking at it. Unlike Tier one, I
Speaker 1: think these names could go in pretty much any order,
Speaker 1: depending on personal preference, depending on landing spot, depending on
Speaker 1: team need. So a little less set on what each
Speaker 1: pick is. But in this tier of really really good
Speaker 1: prospects that you'd be very happy to add to your team.
Speaker 1: So how are you approaching trading again away or four
Speaker 1: players in this tier?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you are looking to maybe deal these picks,
Speaker 2: if you're open for business holding one O three, one
Speaker 2: oh four, one oh five, maybe it's because you're like
Speaker 2: our own Thorne Eystrom college football and NFL draft analyst
Speaker 2: who likes JJ McCarthy more than Drake may or Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 2: and you're willing to go down to one oh seven
Speaker 2: or one o eight where you think you could get McCarthy,
Speaker 2: or you're perfectly happy getting Romo Dunes and think he's
Speaker 2: every bit as good as Malik Neighbors is. I could
Speaker 2: see maybe trading down a little bit and picking up
Speaker 2: something extra in the deal, like a solid veteran. Maybe
Speaker 2: you could move from one oh four to one oh
Speaker 2: seven and get someone to throw in Tony Pollard or
Speaker 2: something like that. The other reason kind of the same
Speaker 2: thing as I mentioned with the Tier one guys, that
Speaker 2: if you felt your championship window was open and you'd
Speaker 2: be better served by getting a couple of productive veterans
Speaker 2: rather than having this pick, that might be a reason
Speaker 2: to trade the pick away. And yeah, since we are
Speaker 2: talking about quarterbacks who are gonna have top five draft capital,
Speaker 2: you're incentive to move into one of these spots, is
Speaker 2: that you know you have a foundational piece for a
Speaker 2: rebuild or a retool.
Speaker 1: So if Tier one is I need the trade offer
Speaker 1: to be essentially a Godfather offer, you can't refuse. It's
Speaker 1: just too much to possibly say no to. Let's call
Speaker 1: that a ten out of ten. What out of ten
Speaker 1: would you need as a kind of offer for this range?
Speaker 1: Are you more like, I will move these guys, but
Speaker 1: it's got to be worth my while, or are you
Speaker 1: more like, I'm pretty sure I'm not moving these guys
Speaker 1: unless I get also a Godfather close to that offer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, maybe not a Guido Corleone offer, but
Speaker 2: maybe a Sunny Corleone offer for this Like, it's still
Speaker 2: got to be something substantial, because this is a draft
Speaker 2: we've been excited about for a while. And the reason
Speaker 2: is because of the top end talent, because of potential
Speaker 2: French quarterbacks, because Malik Neighbors is also a potential superstar
Speaker 2: wide receiver. You're gonna have to come strong, I think
Speaker 2: to get one of these picks.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't keep referencing The Godfather.
Speaker 1: I've only seen the first and I watched it like
Speaker 1: on an airplane, like on my computer in a terrible setting.
Speaker 1: So I'm not like the Godfather expert here.
Speaker 2: Fix that. Fix that. N see Godfather Too, which is
Speaker 2: every bit as good as Godfather Won.
Speaker 3: I have definitely heard that.
Speaker 1: I'm aware that Godfather Too is like greatest sequel ever made.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, like, and that three is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Not very good. They're just they're very long. They're long movies.
Speaker 1: And it's not that they're bad, but they're long, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to find the time to sit down and sa,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually watch these. Let's look at the Dynasty
Speaker 1: trade value chart here. The one of three is valued
Speaker 1: at a seventy four in our trade value chart. That's
Speaker 1: equal to Brock Purty or Dak Prescott. What do you
Speaker 1: think about either of those guys for the one of three.
Speaker 2: There's no way I'm taking Brock Party for the one
Speaker 2: O three, and I think we should probably, I think
Speaker 2: we need to manually adjust that rank. Like, I like
Speaker 2: Perty is interesting, and like I think he's got a
Speaker 2: bright short term future as the forty nine ers quarterback.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I just I don't think he's
Speaker 2: close to being worthy of this. Dek is interesting. I'd
Speaker 2: rather one O three than Dak two and and Dek
Speaker 2: is good, but he's at the height of his powers,
Speaker 2: and we don't know how much longer uh Dek is
Speaker 2: going to be at his peak. So I I'd rather
Speaker 2: have one O three than either of those guys. I mean,
Speaker 2: like other trying to think of guys who would be
Speaker 2: more in the ballpark, Like I think it's more like
Speaker 2: bres Hall, Jamior Gibbs, Bijeon, like the top of the
Speaker 2: running back group, So Garrett, Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: So Bjeon again in our values, all right, there's room
Speaker 1: for interpretation here. But if with the one of three
Speaker 1: is a seventy four, Bijeon is a seventy five and
Speaker 1: Brize Hall is a seventy three, so they're on either
Speaker 1: side of where we're valuing the one of three.
Speaker 3: So you're spot on.
Speaker 2: With those, Yeah, yeah, And I mean, like that's that's
Speaker 2: an offer i'd maybe consider if I have the one three,
Speaker 2: like getting one of the best running backs in Dynasty, sure.
Speaker 1: To give a sense of where Perdy and Prescott are.
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, we gave you the numerical value.
Speaker 3: That's QB fourteen and QB fifteen on our trade value
Speaker 3: chart there, so there are thirteen guys that are valued
Speaker 3: more highly than them. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the situation for Perdy is just so
Speaker 1: sublime that it's like, I get why there's excitement about
Speaker 1: you know, if you have money roster trying to win now,
Speaker 1: he will probably accrue a good stat line again next season.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you quickly, is your answer different in
Speaker 1: terms of that one h three question if I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it's specifically Jane Daniels versus specifically Drake May because
Speaker 1: I know I think you are you are with me
Speaker 1: on being higher on May, right.
Speaker 2: I am higher on May. But Daniels is like, maybe
Speaker 2: that's a mistake because Daniels has that rushing potential. I'm
Speaker 2: just a little worried about the long term business model
Speaker 2: for a quarterback that thin who was sometimes not always
Speaker 2: protected himself very well from taking like killer shots from defenders.
Speaker 2: That's kind of my concern about Daniels, Like physically will
Speaker 2: he hold up as this kind of taller, lankier guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the one oh four is valued at
Speaker 1: seventy one. That's equal to Jumior Gibbs, another top running
Speaker 1: back in the Dynasty of Trade value chart.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: That's pretty close. I think that one is pretty fair.
Speaker 2: What would you think would you rather one oh four
Speaker 2: or Puka Nikua?
Speaker 3: I think I'd rather have the one oh four.
Speaker 1: Because a just the value quarterbacks in a superflex is
Speaker 1: like really can't be overstated. So if you think one
Speaker 1: of may Or Daniels is good, especially if it's if
Speaker 1: it's May, I'm definitely taking May because I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: But if a quarterback hits, they're just going to be
Speaker 1: more valuable than even a top eight receiver in Dynasty.
Speaker 1: And I also think Malak Neighbors has every opportunity if
Speaker 1: he gets in the right lie any spot, to pass
Speaker 1: Puka in the rankings. Not guarantee Pookah's awesome. It's not
Speaker 1: a knock on Puka, but it's a possibility he does.
Speaker 1: Plus you're also telling me maybe I get a Drake
Speaker 1: May there too. I think I'd rather have Puoka than
Speaker 1: maybe a Jane Daniels because I'm with you. I'm just
Speaker 1: so concerned about frankly, just durability and like the recklessness
Speaker 1: with which he plays. But if but if you're talking
Speaker 1: may Or neighbors. I think I'd rather have.
Speaker 3: Them than Puka.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: The last one here in this tier one oh five
Speaker 1: is a bit of a drop down. Sixty four is
Speaker 1: the value we have on the on the value chart,
Speaker 1: that's equivalent to Jonathan Taylor, AJ Brown, Chris A.
Speaker 3: Lave.
Speaker 1: Any of those names stand out as ones that you
Speaker 1: would like to trade for one oh five or vice versa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I love Jonathan Taylor, really high on
Speaker 2: AJ Brown and Chris Olave too, But like, I think
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Malik neighbors than than any of these guys.
Speaker 2: I mean close call with AJ Brown and O Lave,
Speaker 2: you know, because those guys have demonstrated it at some point.
Speaker 2: I still think a lot is terrific, even though it
Speaker 2: seems like maybe his value has dropped off just a
Speaker 2: smidge after the end of last year. But those are
Speaker 2: in the ballpark. I mean, Devon H. Chan Is, he like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess I'd still rather neighbors than a.
Speaker 1: Chan Ah chan Is, I'm trying to find he's a
Speaker 1: couple spots down from Taylor. He's like Taylor's sixty four,
Speaker 1: A Chan's down at like fifty seven. So it's RB
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Speaker 1: three here and you got you and I have identified
Speaker 1: this as one O six, one oh seven, one oh eight.
Speaker 1: Again kind of the three names we're assuming go here
Speaker 1: in some order similar to the last year. I think
Speaker 1: this could really be any order, depending on team need.
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers tight end, romadun Za wide receiver, quarterback JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: So same question I've asked for the other tiers. How
Speaker 1: are you approaching trading within this tier?
Speaker 2: Well, these mid round picks, mid first round picks are
Speaker 2: so much more valuable this year than they were last year.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got Jji McCarthy might be a top
Speaker 2: five pick. Uh, Rock Bauers maybe the best tight end
Speaker 2: prospect ever, at least from a fantasy perspective. Roma Duneesa,
Speaker 2: a guy who easily could be the wide receiver one
Speaker 2: in a lot of other classes. And and last year
Speaker 2: we were talking about the guys in this range being
Speaker 2: like Quentin Johnston's z A. Flowers, Jordan Addison. Not that
Speaker 2: Addison and Flowers aren't very promising pieces. They are, but boy,
Speaker 2: I mean like it just seems like those guys are
Speaker 2: a lot less valuable. You can get a potential cornerstone
Speaker 2: dynasty piece in this round. So you know, it's if
Speaker 2: you want one of these picks, you're you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to come in with a strong offer. I don't know
Speaker 2: how to extend the Godfather analogy here any worm, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be it would anyway. It's gonna have to
Speaker 2: be a good one. And if you're willing to deal
Speaker 2: one of these picks, make sure you're getting enough.
Speaker 1: And I will say I like the Flowers and Adison
Speaker 1: obviously not Quentin Johnston, who was going close to this range,
Speaker 1: and you know last year he's lost.
Speaker 3: A lot of value.
Speaker 1: But knowse Flowers is like one value lower than what
Speaker 1: we have the one oh seven at Jordan Addison is
Speaker 1: like three lower. JSN is one higher. So they're they're
Speaker 1: close to that ranges. We've seen it now with them,
Speaker 1: and there's an element of you know, maybe we're even
Speaker 1: undervaluing Bowers and Odoonze because they're being pushed down by
Speaker 1: this elite top of the class. But these are guys
Speaker 1: that in most rookie drafts would be going, you know
Speaker 1: more in that three to five range than they would
Speaker 1: be the six to eight range.
Speaker 3: I would imagine.
Speaker 1: It's it's not you know, last year, if I had
Speaker 1: a pick in this range, I was pretty happy to
Speaker 1: say I think the twenty twenty four class is really good.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I could package this this pick
Speaker 1: and get or let me see if I get this
Speaker 1: pick and have somebody packaged like a twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: first plus something else smaller moving to next year's class.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that this year because the value is
Speaker 1: just so much stronger here. I'm with you on I mean,
Speaker 1: Bowers is so fun, A Duneza is so fun, JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3: There are teams that really like.
Speaker 1: If JJ McCarthy goes to the Vikings and has that
Speaker 1: set up with that offensive head coach, I will be
Speaker 1: really excited about him in fantasy, even if I think
Speaker 1: he's a clear fourth in the class. And again I
Speaker 1: know Thorne e Istrom and Deebro disagree, and everybody should
Speaker 1: listen to that. On this feed, the NFL Draft Show,
Speaker 1: they talk about those guys all the time. But I mean,
Speaker 1: these are three potentially very exciting. I mean, if a
Speaker 1: Dunseeg gets paired with Caleb Williams in Chicago. If Rock
Speaker 1: Bowers goes to LA I don't think that'll happen. I
Speaker 1: think they're going offensive live. But I just mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many really enticing options here. Dynasty trade value chart.
Speaker 1: The one O six is at fifty eight. Is the
Speaker 1: value that's equivalent to Brandon Nyuk, a player I know
Speaker 1: you are a big fan of. So would you rather
Speaker 1: have Brandon Nyuk or the one O six this year?
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. That's really close, man. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm youth centric. Bogman would probably take Brandon Ayuk. I
Speaker 2: think I'd take the pick, but it is really close.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is kind of like Drake
Speaker 2: London is maybe in this range, I mean Tyreek Hill
Speaker 2: for the win Now teams, maybe even like you could
Speaker 2: Jared Goff does that come in and about even like
Speaker 2: and Goff is a good piece in super flex leagues,
Speaker 2: and yet I think this is kind of the right
Speaker 2: spot for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, GoF is at Goff's at sixty one, so he
Speaker 1: is you know.
Speaker 2: Three value deemed deemed to be slightly more than this.
Speaker 2: I mean, what would you personally rather have Jared Goff
Speaker 2: or JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's such a question of like four versus ceiling.
Speaker 1: And I know Goff's I recognize gofs ceiling is maybe
Speaker 1: higher than he's given credit for, but it is so
Speaker 1: apparent to me that he needs really good players around
Speaker 1: him and a really good scheme around him. And I
Speaker 1: have to imagine at some point Ben Johnson will actually
Speaker 1: take another job and leave Detroit, and that worries me
Speaker 1: with Gough, but I'd like him as a player better
Speaker 1: than McCarthy right now. But again, if you're putting I mean,
Speaker 1: if McCarthy were to go to even a place like Washington,
Speaker 1: which has some pieces, but I don't trust Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: The pieces aren't at you know, Terry McLaurin is no
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson. I'm looking at him a lot differently. If
Speaker 1: you're telling me he's in Minnesota, that really changes for
Speaker 1: fantasy how I'm evaluating McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Sure, and we're going to know the landing spot, so
Speaker 2: that's gonna determine this, and maybe it even shakes up
Speaker 2: the tiers a little bit, like if he does land
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, maybe we're talking about McCarthy being more like
Speaker 2: a Tier two guy. Than a tier three guy.
Speaker 1: I think for me it comes down to if I'm rebuilding,
Speaker 1: I'm just always going to be the guy to take
Speaker 1: the swing and say, if I'm in rebuild mode, my
Speaker 1: only goal is to find like stud like center pieces
Speaker 1: to my roster, and I think, sure McCarthy's a better
Speaker 1: chance of being that over the next decade than GoF.
Speaker 1: But if I'm at all interested in making the playoffs
Speaker 1: this year, I'm probably just gonna stick with Goff, who
Speaker 1: I know is good and in a good situation and
Speaker 1: can be a really useful super flex quarterback for me.
Speaker 1: The one o seven, well, by the way, just quickly,
Speaker 1: because we don't have that much time. I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: McCarthy generally, I've been thinking my ahead of him as
Speaker 1: the one oh eight in a lot of leagues.
Speaker 3: Uh, do you think.
Speaker 1: He's more like one oh six, or maybe even a
Speaker 1: chance to moving to one oh five if he goes
Speaker 1: highly in the draft, or do you think he's still
Speaker 1: gonna be behind kind of the the Bowers and Odonsays
Speaker 1: of the world.
Speaker 2: I think landing Spottle matter for him for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's if it somehow works out that he lands with
Speaker 2: the Raiders. Or whatever. One O eight is probably the
Speaker 2: right spot. But if he goes to the Vikings, I
Speaker 2: think we're gonna have to move him up.
Speaker 1: I think if he goes to the Vikings, he's probably
Speaker 1: a tier up, even though I think he's a step
Speaker 1: down from those players. I think he will it will
Speaker 1: be one O three to one oh six and then
Speaker 1: Bowers and Oduonzay at the seven and eight. In most leagues,
Speaker 1: I would I would guess at the one oh seven
Speaker 1: is worth fifty three in our value points, that's equivalent
Speaker 1: to Sam Laporta. So this is a spot where if
Speaker 1: McCarthy does go earlier, it could be Bowers versus Laporta,
Speaker 1: or you could be looking at in Adunes versus Laporta.
Speaker 3: Here, what do you make of that one? The one
Speaker 3: O seven for Laporta?
Speaker 2: Man, I guess I'd have to go with Laporta. What
Speaker 2: he what he did as a rookie was so not
Speaker 2: to and he's going to be a cornerstone at the
Speaker 2: position for a long time, like a top three guy,
Speaker 2: and as good as Bauers is, like, are we ready
Speaker 2: to predict that he's going to instantly be as good
Speaker 2: or better than Sam Laporta? I don't know.
Speaker 1: If Sam Laporta didn't exist and Bowers did this year
Speaker 1: what Laporta had done last year, we would be talking
Speaker 1: about him as like one of the greatest Dynasty assets
Speaker 1: you could possibly have. And Laporta actually did it, and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we would love to see Bauers do
Speaker 1: something similar. But like it was a historic season. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a really good rookie season. It was a historic
Speaker 1: rookie season. That's that's really hard to ignore. He's rightfully
Speaker 1: Dynasty tight end one right now in the value chart,
Speaker 1: and then the one o eight is down at forty
Speaker 1: seven value points. That's equivalent to Deebo Samuel or interestingly,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. How would you value the one oh eight
Speaker 1: versus those guys.
Speaker 2: Man, I mean, I guess I'd prefer the one away
Speaker 2: to Bryce Young. I know Bryce Young was really just
Speaker 2: kneecapped by the lack of a supporting cast last year,
Speaker 2: the bad offensive line, the lack of pass catchers. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: it was a pretty disappointing rookie year, and I think
Speaker 2: we'd I guess I'd rather go sight unseen with JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy at one oh eight, even if he's playing for
Speaker 2: the New York Giants or someone like that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean like Deebo is interesting. Deebo's kind of an
Speaker 2: older guy. He's had some injury things, so I think
Speaker 2: I'd rather have the pick than him. But I don't
Speaker 2: know as far as other possibilities, like maybe you know
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison is in this range, DK Metcalf, like those
Speaker 2: are guys I might consider fair value for one O.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very clear to most people who you
Speaker 1: know have been paying attention to dynasty and rookie draft
Speaker 1: specifically that there is a clear step down from the
Speaker 1: one O eight to the one oh nine. There are
Speaker 1: still really really fun, exciting, potentially very good landing spot
Speaker 1: wide receiver options. Maybe RB one if somebody gets in
Speaker 1: a really great spot that where you know, like Jonathan
Speaker 1: Brooks to the Cowboys or something like that, this is
Speaker 1: likely going to be just your pick of whatever.
Speaker 3: The next four receivers are are.
Speaker 1: Likely going to be nine, ten, eleven, and twelve In
Speaker 1: most first rounds, I would imagine, unless somebody is just
Speaker 1: absolutely desperate for a running back or something like that,
Speaker 1: how are you approaching this year? This would be where
Speaker 1: I would say, like I'd be very willing to maybe
Speaker 1: trade for a twenty twenty five first and say, hey,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to win, now get the guy you're early.
Speaker 3: I'll move it back.
Speaker 1: Even though I don't think that class is supposed to
Speaker 1: be as strong as this one, we're now in the
Speaker 1: range where there is value possibly to be gained by
Speaker 1: going ahead a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as of now, it looks like there is a
Speaker 2: precipitous drop off from that one oh six, one oh seven,
Speaker 2: one oh eight tier to the bottom third of the
Speaker 2: first round. And it seems I mean, the reason as
Speaker 2: of now that I would not really be interested in
Speaker 2: trading into this part of the draft, and the reason
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be asking for that much if I was
Speaker 2: going to trade down a little bit, like, I just
Speaker 2: don't see that big a difference between pick one oh nine,
Speaker 2: one ten and pick two oh two two oh three.
Speaker 2: So but then again, worm, like most rookie drafts take
Speaker 2: place after the NFL Draft, and maybe this winds up
Speaker 2: being the tier with the guys who won the landing
Speaker 2: spot lottery, like you said, if it's Jonathan Brooks going
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys, all of a sudden, he becomes a
Speaker 2: consensus like one ten, uh one oh nine something like that,
Speaker 2: So I could see that, but as of now, I'm
Speaker 2: just not gonna pay through the nose for these picks.
Speaker 1: It's basically gonna be like like Brian Thomas, I think
Speaker 1: right now is sort of the favorite for one oh nine,
Speaker 1: and let's say throw an RB one in there, and
Speaker 1: then it's going to be like, whichever wide receiver the
Speaker 1: Chiefs take is going to be in this range, and
Speaker 1: we just don't know who that is yet. And if
Speaker 1: a wide receiver goes early to like like if the
Speaker 1: Texans take a guy to pera Nico Collins, or if
Speaker 1: the Bills take somebody to be the successor just define
Speaker 1: Diggs like those I don't know which name those will
Speaker 1: be those will be the names that will be going
Speaker 1: in this round. It's hard for me to imagine at
Speaker 1: this stage in the draft process that a guy moves
Speaker 1: up based on, oh, we think he's.
Speaker 3: A better prospect.
Speaker 1: It's very very landing spot depending at this point, I
Speaker 1: would think it is.
Speaker 2: And you know, like I would recommend, especially if you
Speaker 2: hold one of these picks at the end of the
Speaker 2: first round, to go on the Draft Wizard, our Draft
Speaker 2: Wizard where you can do rookie drafts and do it
Speaker 2: with your exact league settings, and you're you'll be presented
Speaker 2: with the dilemmas you will be presented with if you
Speaker 2: have one of these ends of the draft picks. Like
Speaker 2: we were doing a mock the other week and Debro
Speaker 2: took Troy Franklin here and a lot of people kind
Speaker 2: of panned that pick. But I feel like you're almost
Speaker 2: set up for failure at one oh nine because, like
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna have their favorite flavors at wide receiver whatever.
Speaker 2: Some guys are gonna like Xavier Worthy, some are gonna
Speaker 2: like Lad McConkie or Keon Coleman. And you know, if
Speaker 2: if they don't share your opinion of who that next
Speaker 2: best wide receiver is after maybe Brian Thomas, like who
Speaker 2: wide receiver five is, because right now there is zero
Speaker 2: consensus on that.
Speaker 1: I think just last week on the mock Draft episode
Speaker 1: you myself and Bagman did I had the one O nine,
Speaker 1: which I hated, and I think I took worthy just
Speaker 1: to mix it up from what I had done previously
Speaker 1: and to be like, listen, he's got an elite, elite,
Speaker 1: elite trait and speed. I think he's gonna go to
Speaker 1: a possibly a good landing spot at the back end
Speaker 1: of the first round. I'll just take a chance here,
Speaker 1: but it And I think I said on the episode,
Speaker 1: I could have picked anybody. I could have said Brian Thomas,
Speaker 1: I could have said, I really like Ladden McConkie. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could have I like Troy Franklin. I see the
Speaker 1: case for Ady Mitchell. Like there's this Keon Coleman, I
Speaker 1: know you're a big fan of There's just so many
Speaker 1: names that I think, like there's such a good chance
Speaker 1: of seeing them in a really fun landing spot that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put any stock in who people are picking
Speaker 1: at the one O nine right now because it's so
Speaker 1: likely maybe Brian Thomas has separated a little, but it's
Speaker 1: it's very.
Speaker 3: Likely to change.
Speaker 2: I think totally agree.
Speaker 3: Let's look at the trade value charts here.
Speaker 1: One O nine is equivalent to forty three, which is
Speaker 1: equal to Dalton Kincaid or Davante Adams. Now, obviously Adams
Speaker 1: is a clear case of like win now versus rebuilding
Speaker 1: in terms of getting the rookie. Kincaid's really interesting, as
Speaker 1: you know, he was kind of the tight end one
Speaker 1: coming out of last year's class you served by Sam Laporta,
Speaker 1: still a pretty exciting option in this Bill's offense. So
Speaker 1: what would you do Kincaid, Davante or the one O nine?
Speaker 2: I think, as of now, i'd rather have Kincaid, like
Speaker 2: I think he could join become maybe nearly as valuable
Speaker 2: as Sam Laporta, if not as valuable. And DeVante, like
Speaker 2: you said, worm, if you're contending now, really nice piece
Speaker 2: a dude who's still had eleven hundred plus yards with
Speaker 2: a let's call it suboptimal quarterback situation last year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So like Davante is still really good, and like the
Speaker 2: adp on him is in redraft at least has kind
Speaker 2: of baffled me this year, Like I can't believe people
Speaker 2: are fading him to the extent they are, because still
Speaker 2: one of the best receivers in the league.
Speaker 1: The one ten is valued at thirty nine. That's equivalent
Speaker 1: to Tony Pollard changing teams running back everybody who's excited
Speaker 1: about last year now sharing a backfield with Spears.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: The one ten where you're probably not getting a better
Speaker 1: running back than Pollard again, unless we really love a
Speaker 1: landing spot here, but maybe a wide receiver that we like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather have the pick than Tony Pollard. If
Speaker 2: you wanted to offer me Jaden Reid for the pick,
Speaker 2: I would maybe entertain that.
Speaker 3: I wonder I'm going to pull up here what Jaden.
Speaker 1: Reid is at. He's at forty two. So Jane Reid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right in that same range with this pick. So that's
Speaker 1: an interesting one. The one eleven valued at thirty six
Speaker 1: on our Dynaty trade value chart. That's equivalent to TJ.
Speaker 1: High Atkinson, Najie Harris, and Joe Mixon. I wanted to
Speaker 1: throw a couple different names here because we're getting into
Speaker 1: this range where you're probably a contender if you have
Speaker 1: this pick. So if you have a need at running
Speaker 1: back and want to just say Arthur Smith is going
Speaker 1: to run the ball a lot, so that helps Najie Harris.
Speaker 1: Maybe they get better quarterback play, more scoring opportunities. If
Speaker 1: you want to say, I don't think the injury is
Speaker 1: that bad, and you know you're getting a tight end
Speaker 1: and good offense in Hockinson. If you want to say
Speaker 1: Mixing's great landing spot in Houston, I think you can
Speaker 1: make the case for all of them. So one eleven
Speaker 1: versus any of these three, I.
Speaker 2: Would take the one eleven over any of these three.
Speaker 2: I was trying to come up with some sort of
Speaker 2: alternative I thought would be fair, especially like if you're
Speaker 2: a contender and wanted to deal this pick away, it
Speaker 2: might be the right price point to gamble on Steph Diggs,
Speaker 2: even though he from week ten on last year averaged
Speaker 2: like forty two point two yards a game and had
Speaker 2: one touchdown from week ten on, including two playoff games.
Speaker 2: But at this point, like I think I'd be willing
Speaker 2: to take the chance on him, add him rather than
Speaker 2: a rookie if I felt like this was my year
Speaker 2: to win the championship and just you know, put the
Speaker 2: pedal of the metal and go for it.
Speaker 1: He's in a really interesting spot on the trade value chart,
Speaker 1: not looking at the numbers, but in terms of just
Speaker 1: the order, and you know the rank of these guys.
Speaker 1: It goes thirty three Brian Thomas, thirty four Lad mccackey,
Speaker 1: thirty five Troy Franklin, and thirty.
Speaker 3: Six Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 1: So he is behind a handful of those rookies, or
Speaker 1: roughly equivalent to them, a handful of those rookies who
Speaker 1: will be going in this range, I would think. I
Speaker 1: think that's an interesting one. Lastly, one twelve he is
Speaker 1: valued at thirty three. That's equivalent to Christian Watson.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting man. And since I'm a Packers fan, like
Speaker 2: I might have a bias, but Watson hasn't done it yet,
Speaker 2: and he's had these chronic hamstring issues, so I'd rather
Speaker 2: have the pick as of now.
Speaker 1: I would tend to agree. I know that we had
Speaker 1: a couple of members on our staff who were very
Speaker 1: excited about Christian Watson going into last season. You know,
Speaker 1: you win some, you lose some. Obviously there's talent there,
Speaker 1: but I think given I think there's going to be
Speaker 1: more and more mouths to feed in that offense. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: so many young talented receivers there. He hasn't stayed healthy,
Speaker 1: He's flashed at times. Certainly, he's not a guy I
Speaker 1: would like be looking to sell, sell, sell, But I
Speaker 1: think I'd rather take a chance on one of these
Speaker 1: rookies again that I think will be in a really
Speaker 1: nice landing spot. Not that he's in a bad spot
Speaker 1: with Green Bay and Jordan Love, but that would be
Speaker 1: my strategy as well.
Speaker 3: Let's jump into the mail bag here, fits.
Speaker 1: We've got a handful of questions that will run through.
Speaker 1: We're not going to speed through these, but you know
Speaker 1: we're not gonna necessarily do a deep dive either, because
Speaker 1: I know we went a little long in the first
Speaker 1: round values. But we've got, like I said, a handful
Speaker 1: of questions here. Will jump in and appreciate again everybody
Speaker 1: who sent these questions in via Twitter. We appreciate the
Speaker 1: listeners and hopefully we can answer your questions to our
Speaker 1: best ability. Let's start with number one. In general, what
Speaker 1: is your strategy at running back in a startup that
Speaker 1: comes from Anthony B.
Speaker 2: Pay Down? Generally, I like to build a foundation at
Speaker 2: quarterback for sure in Superflex, but and wide receiver, like
Speaker 2: I always prioritize wide receiver over running back because performance
Speaker 2: is more predictable at the wide receiver position than at
Speaker 2: running back, and wide receivers tend to age better than
Speaker 2: running back, so that's why I want to go that
Speaker 2: route in dynasty. So I'm usually not building with the Bijon's,
Speaker 2: the Jumior Gibbs types in startups, and you know, like
Speaker 2: you obviously have to fill the position, but I'm trying
Speaker 2: to cut corners with guys like the Chase Browns who
Speaker 2: maybe have a lot of potential but haven't done it yet,
Speaker 2: or I'm just getting veterans I can put in as
Speaker 2: like spackle, guys who aren't valued because they're older but
Speaker 2: still the year or two production left and established roles
Speaker 2: with their teams.
Speaker 1: What I like to do is build up everything else,
Speaker 1: and then in that first rookie draft, that's where I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, I'm going to try and get those
Speaker 1: running backs. Now, having said that, that is a fairly
Speaker 1: popular strategy at this point to wait on running back,
Speaker 1: so I am willing to pivot if the rest of
Speaker 1: my league is doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: I am not considering a running back in round one
Speaker 3: at all, and I'm not considering a running back in
Speaker 3: round two at all. If I'm in a league.
Speaker 1: Where other people are devaluing running back and Bijon or
Speaker 1: Bryce Hall or Jamier Gibbs is there in like the
Speaker 1: middle of the third, that's what I'm like.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe I go hero RB and get one. I'm
Speaker 3: not taking two.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna heavily invest, that's for sure, But maybe
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say if one of these guys gets
Speaker 1: to me in round three, I would consider it because
Speaker 1: at that point, yeah, you're getting like the RB one
Speaker 1: in Dynasty. I'll happily do that when I've already got
Speaker 1: two other foundational pieces theoretically in rounds one and two.
Speaker 1: But that's more of a pivot against everybody else is
Speaker 1: kind of doing the same thing. If they're not all
Speaker 1: doing the same thing, then that I kind of would
Speaker 1: go along those lines.
Speaker 3: Of that strategy.
Speaker 2: Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Next question here from George R. When approaching potential
Speaker 1: trade partner, should you assess your potential trade partner's roster needs? Also,
Speaker 1: do you engage in a dialogue with your partner or
Speaker 1: send blind trades and hope they get back.
Speaker 2: To you well on the assessing the other the potential
Speaker 2: trade partner's roster needs yes, yes, yes, like absolutely, like
Speaker 2: that's how things get done. If you just are making
Speaker 2: the deal based on like how you're trying to improve
Speaker 2: your team, silly. And that's why I think, like you
Speaker 2: know it and I know it where I'm like seventy
Speaker 2: five eighty percent of the trade offers you get in
Speaker 2: Dynasty or just complete trash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the managers who like, look at my roster and like, hey,
Speaker 2: I noticed you are a little bit light at wide
Speaker 2: receiver and like put yourself in the other person chose.
Speaker 2: That's how you get things done, and say what do
Speaker 2: they need to improve their team? And like when you
Speaker 2: start putting together offers, like do some role playing, some
Speaker 2: method acting if you will. And you know when you
Speaker 2: put together that offer, if you were being honest with
Speaker 2: yourself and had the other person's roster, would they make
Speaker 2: this deal? And if you're confident the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: and the deal is good for you, I mean take
Speaker 2: it to them. And as far as like the dialogue,
Speaker 2: if you go through that, you shouldn't need a lot
Speaker 2: of dialogue because you know you have a fair offer,
Speaker 2: and there's not much room for negotiation, and just I
Speaker 2: like the non negotiable trades like that, where it's like, look,
Speaker 2: I put together a fair offer for you, take it
Speaker 2: or leave it. But you know, as far as the
Speaker 2: dialogue thing, it's always easier with friends. You're sitting in
Speaker 2: a bar somewhere watching a game together, it's easy to talk.
Speaker 2: And man, I've really been looking for another running back.
Speaker 2: My running backs can suck. Hey, well i've got you
Speaker 2: know this guy. I could throw you him for him,
Speaker 2: and a lot of deals get done that way. But
Speaker 2: for the most part, just come in with a fair offer,
Speaker 2: put yourself and the other person choose.
Speaker 1: One of these days, I want us to get a
Speaker 1: deal done in our dynasty on air during the taping
Speaker 1: of one of these shows that that will be a
Speaker 1: goal of mine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think I think equally as importantly as assessing your
Speaker 1: trade partners needs is assessing their strengths. Because I think
Speaker 1: it's very easy to be like, oh, they need you know,
Speaker 1: whatever position a wide receiver. Let me see if I
Speaker 1: can get a running back from them for one of
Speaker 1: my receivers. Well, they might also need running back help
Speaker 1: like I think I think it's easy to see like, oh,
Speaker 1: you have this need and kind of ignore the rest
Speaker 1: of the roster, So you should look at it in totality.
Speaker 1: And also I think that's where you can find value
Speaker 1: if you're going up, if you're looking at trade with
Speaker 1: somebody who has they just like are loaded at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: They have six guys that are ranked in our top
Speaker 1: twenty four. It's a position they valued, but you can't
Speaker 1: start them all. And if anything, it's maybe even too
Speaker 1: much depth. Well, you can get value because their team
Speaker 1: maybe on our maybe on a trade value chart it's
Speaker 1: not even, but it makes their team better to get
Speaker 1: a running back where they have a hole and give
Speaker 1: up maybe a wide receiver who's definitely worth more because
Speaker 1: you can actually start the running back. So I think
Speaker 1: it's I would expand upon just saying look at your
Speaker 1: potential trade partners roster needs, and say look at the
Speaker 1: totality of everything, and then I agree with you. There
Speaker 1: shouldn't need to be a lot of dialogue if it's
Speaker 1: a fair offer, And if it's if there's a lot
Speaker 1: of dialogue, either they're probably not really interested for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just not a team that likes to make
Speaker 1: trades or whatever, or it's probably not a fair offer,
Speaker 1: I think, are you know if you really need to go.
Speaker 3: Back and forth too much like that?
Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that next question here, This
Speaker 1: comes from Kevin Coleman, actually from Football Guys Front of
Speaker 1: the Show. If you had to choose between Reshi, Rice,
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba Za Flowers and George Pickens to
Speaker 1: be the better Dynasty asset at this time next year,
Speaker 1: who are you taking?
Speaker 3: And why? Again? That's Rice, JSN, Flowers and Pickens.
Speaker 2: Leave it to the great Kevin Coleman to stick me
Speaker 2: with such a tough question. Well, Kevin, if there's a
Speaker 2: hole in my game, it's probably that I tend to
Speaker 2: stick with my initial reads on players too long. And
Speaker 2: I mean I really did like Jackson Smith and Jigba's
Speaker 2: draft profile the most out of all these prospects. He
Speaker 2: just turned twenty two, and while it's not ideal that
Speaker 2: he's going to be competing with targets, for competing four
Speaker 2: targets with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, again, the fact
Speaker 2: that he's so young gives this kid a really long runway.
Speaker 2: And I think he'll eventually have less target competition. So
Speaker 2: I'll take JSN over Rashi, Rice, Say Flowers, and George Pickens.
Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic question because it is. I like,
Speaker 1: in just reading the four it's like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be real.
Speaker 3: Well it should probably be. Actually I see the case.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you're just so.
Speaker 1: Easy to go back and forth and be like, well
Speaker 1: you can kind of you know, Pickens, there's no target
Speaker 1: competition right now. Flowers, there's really none at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver room. Of course, there is a tight end. And
Speaker 1: you know he's he's got not the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: this group because obviously Rice has Mahomes, but he's got
Speaker 1: the second best quarterback in this group, Rashi.
Speaker 3: Rice is attached to Patrick Mahomes, but they are probably gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, get another receiver. So I'm talking in circles
Speaker 3: because you can make the case for all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quick quick point. Like Andrew Cooper, friend of the Shows,
Speaker 2: he posted something on Twitter about like how the Chiefs
Speaker 2: far and away led the NFL and like screens to
Speaker 2: wide receivers and tight ends last year that was out
Speaker 2: in necessity, they didn't have pass catchers who could really
Speaker 2: do business successfully downfield. Now they've got Marquise Brown and
Speaker 2: we know they're gonna draft someone else, so there's gonna
Speaker 2: be more target competition. A lot of those screens were
Speaker 2: going to Richie Rice. I think we're going to see
Speaker 2: less of that in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I would probably go either JSN, who I adored in
Speaker 1: last year's class, or Flowers. Because I'm ten, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tend to lean with the rookie who I think can
Speaker 1: take that big year to leap and I think I
Speaker 1: saw a lot out of Flowers obviously has a Ravens fan.
Speaker 1: I watched a ton of them. That makes me think
Speaker 1: there is a level to be unlocked here. You know,
Speaker 1: set Lamar second year in Toddmunkins offense will be more comfortable.
Speaker 1: I think there'll be a better connection on the deep ball.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about Flowers next year. And Jays
Speaker 1: said if he can get the actual opportunity, which I
Speaker 1: think he will earn this season, I would be really
Speaker 1: surprised if he doesn't. I think those of the two
Speaker 1: that I think take the biggest steps forward, but Rice
Speaker 1: is probably starting from the best point.
Speaker 3: So it's a question.
Speaker 1: So it's not who takes the biggest sleep, but who
Speaker 1: will be the better dynasty ascid at this time next year.
Speaker 1: I kind of throwing my hands up and I'll say
Speaker 1: hisay flowers just to be a homer. But that's because
Speaker 1: I really, I really can't make a decision amongst them.
Speaker 1: I see the case for, frankly, all four of them.
Speaker 1: So thank you Kevin for the question. Next question here
Speaker 1: from Nathan J. Is there any justifiable reason to do
Speaker 1: rookie drafts before the NFL Draft? I see leagues that
Speaker 1: do this and just seems crazy and really adds more
Speaker 1: of a lottery feel to it. I guess that could
Speaker 1: be fun on draft day to see if you scratched
Speaker 1: off a surprise winner. I like the way he phrased that,
Speaker 1: you know, with the lottery metaphor there.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that one fits?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan frames it pretty well. I think some people
Speaker 2: like to do it because it really tests your prospect
Speaker 2: evaluation ability. And I think the best example is the
Speaker 2: case of Hakeem Butler back in what was like twenty nineteen. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting the year, but like a lot of people
Speaker 2: rated Queen Butler's the number one wide receiver in the class.
Speaker 2: He was big, he was fast, he had this great
Speaker 2: final season at Iowa State. But then Butler went into
Speaker 2: a complete free fall at the draft. Some people thought
Speaker 2: he was going to be like a first round pick,
Speaker 2: not a first round pick, not a Day two pick.
Speaker 2: Winds up going at the top of round four, and
Speaker 2: the people who had ranked Butler as their wide receiver
Speaker 2: one in that class got bailed out because they saw
Speaker 2: what the draft capital was and saw that the NFL
Speaker 2: didn't value him the way like Fantasy Twitter did. So
Speaker 2: if you hold your rookie draft before the NFL draft,
Speaker 2: misjudgments like that hurt you more. Sharp analysis hurts you more.
Speaker 2: But then again, he's right about the landing spot lottery.
Speaker 2: You might really like a guy and like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: a quarterback who goes to the Giants, or it's a
Speaker 2: wide receiver who goes to an already crowded wide receiver room. Ultimately, Nathan,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I prefer the post NFL draft drafts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's like even this year, like a bon Nicks,
Speaker 1: you get him kind of later in the rookie draft
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, all the Broncos are desperate,
Speaker 1: and now he's looks like this starting quarterback and Sean
Speaker 1: Payton offense. I think even last year to a much
Speaker 1: less year degree because everybody already liked him. But last
Speaker 1: year I was very happy to take like JSN over
Speaker 1: Jamiir Gibbs, for example, even though I really liked Gibbs,
Speaker 1: I think gives us a top twelve pick, and that
Speaker 1: draft capital means something and is a sign of what
Speaker 1: the team believes in, what the NFL thinks about a player,
Speaker 1: so that you know, made it easy for me to
Speaker 1: then kind of move gives up in my estimation, again
Speaker 1: much less degree than you know, the example of like
Speaker 1: a King Butler like that. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a fun twist to kind of shake things up,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely always going to be safer after the
Speaker 1: NFL draft, right, I mean that's kind of the point.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like people who draft like August first
Speaker 1: versus like you wait to see what all the injuries
Speaker 1: happen later. It's like the more information you have, you know,
Speaker 1: the easier it is. So if you think you're really
Speaker 1: sharp and smarter than your league mates, then I would
Speaker 1: push you to go earlier. See, I can read the
Speaker 1: tea leaves better than you. I can evaluate prospects better
Speaker 1: than you. But that's it's more of a unique twist
Speaker 1: to it, not anything that I've seen happen too often.
Speaker 2: For the poker players out there. It's like betting pre
Speaker 2: flop versus betting on the river.
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a poker player, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna nod and say, yeah, yeah, totally, like as if
Speaker 1: I understood that I enjoy poker, but I'm just not
Speaker 1: good at it or know any of the terminology.
Speaker 3: Next question here from Rory B.
Speaker 1: With Puka being drafted late second, early third in some startups,
Speaker 1: has he become a cell high option? Stafford's health is
Speaker 1: always a question, and maybe Cup bouncing back could harm
Speaker 1: Pooka's output.
Speaker 2: Oh well, Rory, you know we are all drinking the
Speaker 2: Puka juice here at Fantasy Pro, so I mean I've
Speaker 2: got him as a late second rounder myself. I guess
Speaker 2: he didn't actually mention the biggest concern I have with
Speaker 2: Puka's it's it's not Stafford's health, It's it's Puka's health.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he missed a lot of time in college.
Speaker 2: He missed time with a broken foot, he missed with
Speaker 2: an ankle injury. Sarah Barshop of ESPN had a story
Speaker 2: about Pooka last year and we oughte that some NFL
Speaker 2: teams didn't even have him on their draft boards, Wow,
Speaker 2: because they were worried about his durability. But I'm not
Speaker 2: concerned about it. Like you said, no ligament tears in
Speaker 2: his past, no chronic soft tissue issues like you know
Speaker 2: Christian Watson of all of a sudden developed. So I'm
Speaker 2: pretty bullish on Pooka going forward.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think he is, yes, a sell high option,
Speaker 1: but emphasis on high. I think that it's really easy
Speaker 1: to look at a player and say, oh, he's a
Speaker 1: sell high and that just means trade him for the
Speaker 1: best value you can get. And I don't mean that,
Speaker 1: I mean if you can trade him for a truly
Speaker 1: elite asset or two really really good assets, then I
Speaker 1: am willing to do that. But again, I think people
Speaker 1: often you know, misconstrus sell high as sell and he
Speaker 1: is not a sell But if you can sell high,
Speaker 1: given that there is some degree of risk with him,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to do that I did that.
Speaker 3: It was early last year before.
Speaker 1: We saw what he did in totality last season, but
Speaker 1: I sold him to get Garrett Wilson in our dynasty league.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to do something like that where I'm feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good that I'm getting an elite asset in return.
Speaker 1: Now again, Puka looked really good the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: so you can quibble about whether or not that was
Speaker 1: the right move, but that's the type of move I'm
Speaker 1: willing to make with Puoka, not sell to the highest
Speaker 1: bidder if that differentiation makes sense. Next question here, the
Speaker 1: dynasty tight end market is changing with the emergence of
Speaker 1: young talent and some studs getting older. Does this change
Speaker 1: your startup strategy or how you viewed tight ends in trade?
Speaker 1: That comes from Dave h.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is Dave Heilman, by the way, one of
Speaker 2: my good buddies in the fantasy industry. Super good guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'll breeze through this one quickly because I want
Speaker 2: to make sure we squeeze in the next question. At least,
Speaker 2: I think there are two ways to look at it. Like,
Speaker 2: on one hand, with all the good young talent at
Speaker 2: the tight end position, I don't think you have to
Speaker 2: be too grabby in startup drafts, Like you don't have
Speaker 2: to aggressively target this specific guy because after he goes
Speaker 2: like the the bot just drops out with the tight
Speaker 2: end market. It's not like that anymore. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: had this wave of good young talent and now we're
Speaker 2: getting another stud in brock Bowers hopefully too with Jatavian Sanders.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, like, I want one of these
Speaker 2: good young guys in my startup if I can do it.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, I think I'm just kind of value hunting,
Speaker 2: Like I'm looking for a good tight end at a
Speaker 2: reasonable price, and preferably a good young one. But if
Speaker 2: I have to hamm anagg it for a couple of
Speaker 2: years with Dalton Schultz and Hunter Henry, is my two
Speaker 2: tight ends, Like, so be it. If different startup drafts
Speaker 2: have like these different cultures, and some people are going
Speaker 2: to be really into the tight ends, especially if it's
Speaker 2: tight end premium. It's tight end premium. The price on
Speaker 2: tight ends sometimes gets a little silly, and in that
Speaker 2: case then I'm definitely more likely to have a Dalton
Speaker 2: Schultz Hunter Henry combo.
Speaker 1: Do you have a round that you'd like to take
Speaker 1: your tight end in and startup like obviously, let's say,
Speaker 1: assuming you're getting good value in every round, you'd like
Speaker 1: to fill out your two quarterbacks first. You'd like to
Speaker 1: get at least a stud receiver, maybe a running back.
Speaker 1: Is there around where you're saying, if I can get
Speaker 1: a good young tight end, I feel good about here,
Speaker 1: I'll be happy.
Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking about tight end till the fifth
Speaker 2: or sixth in a super flex startup. It's yeah, fifth
Speaker 2: or sixth, they're beyond usually beyond.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to a question that I think is
Speaker 1: one you were referencing that you want to get to
Speaker 1: quick hitter takes on the top twenty twenty five rookie
Speaker 1: picks and how those guys compared to this twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four batch. That's from Nathan b.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think what made us so excited about
Speaker 2: the class of twenty twenty four as far back as
Speaker 2: a year ago, was that just the combination of depth
Speaker 2: and spectacular top end talent at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 2: a quartet of quarterbacks, or maybe we thought it was
Speaker 2: gonna be just two or three, but now it's four.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be top six draft picks and one of
Speaker 2: the best tight end prospects of all time. So like
Speaker 2: that that's a pretty appealing package. Class of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five is pretty interesting, but it doesn't look like it's
Speaker 2: gonna be as good good not as strong as quarter
Speaker 2: at quarterback, and honestly, I don't even know who the
Speaker 2: QB one is gonna be. Maybe Drew Aller of Penn State.
Speaker 2: So there's some really good receivers, like Luther Burden of
Speaker 2: Missouri could be the number one pick in the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Like he's going to be very exciting, a Mecca Egbuca
Speaker 2: who a lot of people thought was going to come
Speaker 2: out this year. He's going to be a gem. But
Speaker 2: here's what I like most about the class of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. Worm. Whereas this year's running back class is
Speaker 2: just okay and kind of a mixed bag, next year's
Speaker 2: running back class looks really juicy. I mean, Ohio State
Speaker 2: now has two top running back prospects with They already
Speaker 2: had Trevion Henderson at Ohio State and now they're getting
Speaker 2: quinch On Judkins transferring from Old miss I mean, talk
Speaker 2: about the rich getting richer. That's just an embarrassment. Of
Speaker 2: riches in the OSU backfield, Rocket Sanders from Arkansas, Donovan
Speaker 2: Edwards from Michigan, Jiquavius Marks Mississippi State, Taj Brooks from
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Really fun running back class.
Speaker 3: Nick Singleton too at Penn State.
Speaker 2: Who was really good as a fresh bass.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a step back last year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I find that I don't typically start really thinking about
Speaker 1: the next year's class until we get there.
Speaker 3: I try and think about the value of the picks.
Speaker 1: You know, just from reading what other people who are
Speaker 1: frankly smarter than I am are saying about them. And
Speaker 1: I love, like you said, the running back class is
Speaker 1: really exciting.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I've seen like we just mentioned, like Kevin Coleman. I
Speaker 1: think he's really high on Luther Burton, for example. So
Speaker 1: like I kind of try and see what names people
Speaker 1: already starting to talk about. But I don't feel like I,
Speaker 1: you know, have dive deep into it or anything like
Speaker 1: that quite yet. I do think on the quarterback like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it's not aller or shitter Sanders. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess it's somebody that kind of comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: To be QB one, babe, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It just feels like one of those years where there's
Speaker 1: not like that preordained guy like Trevor Lawrence or Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams or whoever. Let's very quickly hit on these last
Speaker 1: year that we wrote down. Will go speedy through these
Speaker 1: from John M. What are you doing with players like
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, Sam Howell, Mac Jones and Justin Fields if
Speaker 1: they are on your team, what are you sending to
Speaker 1: acquire them individually in a twelve teams super flex five
Speaker 1: point touchdown scoring league. These are obviously all former starting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are now backups.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is John McGlenn, who is the commissioner
Speaker 2: of a league that I'm in, a dynasty league, So
Speaker 2: obviously he's feeling me out for inside information. Good buddy
Speaker 2: of mine. John's awesome hosts the Let's See Dynasty Evaluation
Speaker 2: Show and Commissioner Evaluation Show, so he is a pillar
Speaker 2: of the fantasy community. Five Justin Fields, I am holding
Speaker 2: him right now like I'm still a believer, and there's
Speaker 2: no way I'm gonna sell him right now with his
Speaker 2: price at absolute rock bottom. So he's just a complete hold.
Speaker 2: I would probably trade Sam Hall for baloney sandwich, like
Speaker 2: I just and I've got him sitting on a roster,
Speaker 2: like come and make me an offer, like third round
Speaker 2: rookie pick fine, like his season just went completely off
Speaker 2: the rails last year, like completed less than half his
Speaker 2: passes in the last few weeks, and like when he
Speaker 2: was fantasy relevant for a while last year was just
Speaker 2: based on sheer volume. He was leading the league in
Speaker 2: pass attempts at one point. Takes way too many sacks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose Justin Fields does too, but I'm
Speaker 2: a much bigger believer in fields talent than I am
Speaker 2: in Sam Howell. So and then who were the other
Speaker 2: two guys, Mac Jones and Ryan Tannehill? I mean, what
Speaker 2: are you going to get for Ryan Tannehill?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm not even taking the Bologney sandwich.
Speaker 1: I don't take the bolognae Like that's you don't even
Speaker 1: get the brad exactly. So the last question here, how
Speaker 1: do you assess your team's positional needs when you have
Speaker 1: many players suddenly all on a new team.
Speaker 3: This comes from MB football. The examples he gave Swift
Speaker 3: Pollard mixing Moss Edwards.
Speaker 1: So again, how are you assessing your positional needs when
Speaker 1: all these players are suddenly on a new team.
Speaker 2: I just think you have to look at the part
Speaker 2: individually and determine whether the new surroundings significantly boost or
Speaker 2: decrease the fantasy value of these players. Like I think
Speaker 2: Zach Moss and Gus Edwards are kind of like marginal
Speaker 2: back of the roster guys who've like gained value as
Speaker 2: a result of where they're going. I think Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: has lost value going where he is and now having
Speaker 2: to maybe share with Tayja Spears and a worse offense.
Speaker 2: And I don't think the value of DeAndre Swift or
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon has changed much like much different surroundings. But
Speaker 2: ultimately I think it's kind of a push as far
Speaker 2: as whether they gained or lost value.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to everybody, both in the industry
Speaker 1: and the listeners for sending in those great questions. We'll
Speaker 1: do this and again at some point in coming months
Speaker 1: another mailbag show, because we've got so many good ones.
Speaker 1: So we appreciate everybody for sticking with us for a
Speaker 1: long episode and hopefully we managed to man the fort
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Speaker 1: season with them. At best of luck to whatever degree
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