Speaker 1: Welcome the Guys We Bought, the.
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Speaker 2: Like it if you're tired of the spiel is going
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Speaker 1: It's sold out because, as we've.
Speaker 2: Told you time and time before, we're already on such
Speaker 2: thin ut flicks with Netflix.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it feels like a pity casting. I guess someone canceled.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, probably we were made aware of in
Speaker 2: a timely manner, so I know that.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, so it does.
Speaker 2: Everybody had their announcements, although we didn't get our graphics
Speaker 2: or later, but they were working on the assets they
Speaker 2: I don't know why it took so long, but probably
Speaker 2: because I just kept sending them weird photos. But that's
Speaker 2: because I didn't like the ones they were picking. I
Speaker 2: didn't like the ones they were picking.
Speaker 3: No one.
Speaker 2: When people picked your photos for you, it's especially if
Speaker 2: it's a guy.
Speaker 1: It's like, how do you think that's a good photo.
Speaker 2: It's like they sat under you and took a picture
Speaker 2: from the perspective of your chin.
Speaker 1: It was as if Bill Maher chose the photo that guy.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we didn't promote our appearance.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe if you want to promote it, I mean,
Speaker 2: whatever it's out there. I also think we should read
Speaker 2: when the coming episodes not in alex This is a
Speaker 2: really long email, but like more of those comments. Yeah, yea, yea, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, it's so funny and I love to be
Speaker 2: not a got to overlap between guys.
Speaker 1: We fucked in Bill Maher fans what it's crazy, really
Speaker 1: really kind of crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love being at a place where a negative on
Speaker 2: my Instagram. I like, I won't let think, won't let
Speaker 2: things go only because I want people to be better.
Speaker 2: But like something like Bill Maher's YouTube comment section, I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is hilarious. Like the more comments just jog the algorithm,
Speaker 2: so I go. Please keep going, whatever you want, keep
Speaker 2: it going.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: If you want to email us, it's sorry about last
Speaker 2: night's show at gmail dot com. Today's subject line I'm
Speaker 2: low contact with my mum and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: You probably have a clue.
Speaker 2: Hi Current and Christina longtime fucker loved the show. Twenty
Speaker 2: eight year old female living in Australia.
Speaker 1: Hell aar.
Speaker 2: This email is so long. I'll get to the point.
Speaker 2: Well it's also still long, but that's okay. I wanted
Speaker 2: to read it. I have a super complicated relationship with
Speaker 2: my mother and it feels like it's really coming to
Speaker 2: a head now. I taken so much childhood trauma content online,
Speaker 2: which be careful about that. Look at other things, look
Speaker 2: at cartoons. Something that makes you happy, doesn't make you
Speaker 2: think about the shit you can't think about it all.
Speaker 2: And also be careful who you're taking it in from,
Speaker 2: because a lot of these people are psychos and idiots. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're still traumatized and haven't really done the hard work.
Speaker 2: When you were working through trauma, you kind of have
Speaker 2: to go through the desert, go to the desert and
Speaker 2: die and come back in a way. It's not necessary
Speaker 2: for every single person, but it is the most potent
Speaker 2: way to get through it. I taken so much childhood
Speaker 2: trauma content online and weird mother daughter relationship content, and
Speaker 2: I've never found someone who has the issue I'm having
Speaker 2: with my mother. I distanced myself from her. I'm low
Speaker 2: contact at this point, and I feel super uncomfortable with her.
Speaker 2: But I don't have a good reason why. Well, the
Speaker 2: body keeps the score. Okay, wish it didn't, but it does.
Speaker 2: So maybe you feel unsafe for reasons that your conscious
Speaker 2: brain can't identify. I'm an only child, mom and Dad
Speaker 2: are still together and have a good relationship. They both
Speaker 2: worked full time from when I was six months old.
Speaker 2: I never experienced anything super traumatic in my upbringing. My
Speaker 2: parents are very close with their respective families, and I'm
Speaker 2: the odd one out.
Speaker 1: Maybe past life thing.
Speaker 2: I want to preface this by saying I remember barely
Speaker 2: any of my childhood.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is a huge red flat.
Speaker 2: So children have this kind of brilliant mechanism that they
Speaker 2: are all born with where every child looks up to
Speaker 2: their mother and father like their god right because they're
Speaker 2: the ones responsible for your food and shelter and clothing
Speaker 2: and love and everything you need your parent has to
Speaker 2: give you. And so sometimes when the parent is abusive,
Speaker 2: the child will internalize that and go, well, there must
Speaker 2: be something I'm doing to make them like this, so
Speaker 2: that you can physically handle the fact that the person
Speaker 2: who's supposed to raise you is dangerous. A child would
Speaker 2: basically die if they really came to that realization at
Speaker 2: a young age with a young nervous system.
Speaker 1: So keep in mind that if you.
Speaker 2: Don't remember your childhood and you have big blackout moments,
Speaker 2: that is a sign you got go to therapy.
Speaker 1: Mainly from negative things.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to preface this by saying I
Speaker 2: barely remember any of my childhood, not a lot from teenagehood,
Speaker 2: mainly the negative things, so I'm working with what I
Speaker 2: can for the background. My mom and I fought quite
Speaker 2: a lot when I was a teenager, probably a normal
Speaker 2: amount for what I can compare to my female friends.
Speaker 2: We argued mostly about two main things, studying and cleaning.
Speaker 2: My mom worked hard to move up in the corporate
Speaker 2: ladder in her career, but it took her a long time,
Speaker 2: as she didn't go to university. When she was in
Speaker 2: her forties, she would come home from a long day
Speaker 2: of work and have to spend the evening studying to
Speaker 2: get promotions. I remember her saying she didn't want me
Speaker 2: to have to be doing this when I was her age.
Speaker 2: She really wanted me to get a good good enough
Speaker 2: grades to go to university. I had no clue what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do growing up and wasn't super academically inclined.
Speaker 2: She made more money than my dad, who worked a
Speaker 2: blue collar job and had no interest in moving up
Speaker 2: a ladder. She was always getting on at me to
Speaker 2: study do my homework in the evenings, after school. I tried,
Speaker 2: but I was barely I was not really motivated, and
Speaker 2: oftentimes I would sit at the dining table with all
Speaker 2: my books out for hours getting nothing done. Side note,
Speaker 2: last year I was diagnosed with ADHD, which explains so
Speaker 2: much about this and why I couldn't clean. The cleaning
Speaker 2: arguments were about me not cleaning up after myself around
Speaker 2: the house or not doing chores that were assigned to me.
Speaker 2: I was definitely hard where I was definitely hard work.
Speaker 2: As a teen, I remember us having screaming matches at
Speaker 2: each other that always started with either cleaning, cleaning, or
Speaker 2: studying issues. This went on from around the age of
Speaker 2: fourteen to seventeen. There were a few core arguments that
Speaker 2: are burned in my memory. I dyed my natural hair
Speaker 2: from blonde to brunett with a home die kit when
Speaker 2: I was home alone at the age of twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like a typical, Yeah, you get into
Speaker 2: trouble on your that age because you don't know. My
Speaker 2: mom had explicitly told me no every time I asked
Speaker 2: to dye my hair, and one day I just did
Speaker 2: it myself. She was so a po pop apocalyptic as
Speaker 2: that was just a poplectic.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that word is. Apoplectic. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that is.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know many words, but I'll know
Speaker 2: that's the word apop l e C.
Speaker 1: I'll overcome with anger. Indignant. Wow, it's like it has
Speaker 1: to be a real work because it's not underlined.
Speaker 2: Right right, right right. She was so apoplectic. Wow, love
Speaker 2: that word. She couldn't speak m She didn't speak to
Speaker 2: me for a week.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 1: That stings.
Speaker 3: I had that.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking she must have told my dad not
Speaker 2: to speak to me either, because my dad was always
Speaker 2: pretty chill and wouldn't give a shit if I dyed
Speaker 2: my hair and he didn't speak to me for a
Speaker 2: couple of days either. That's such a yes, and it's
Speaker 2: like when a parent gives the child the silent treatment.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, okay, okay, I hate that.
Speaker 2: The second is when I was nineteen, I was on
Speaker 2: vacation without them, visiting family abroad, when I decided to
Speaker 2: book a tattoo appointment with an artist i'd followed for ages.
Speaker 2: I knew she didn't approve of tattoos. Well you're nineteen,
Speaker 2: so fuck it. So I thought I was being mature.
Speaker 2: When I gave her a heads up nope message about
Speaker 2: the two inch tattoo on the back of my ankle
Speaker 2: the night before the appointment, I woke up to an
Speaker 2: essay from her about how it was the worst thing
Speaker 2: I could do. Some highlights quote, you have the ability
Speaker 2: to excel in the highest level.
Speaker 1: A lot of that is to do with your beauty.
Speaker 1: That's weird things to say.
Speaker 2: Another quote, if you wanted to chop all your hair off,
Speaker 2: it would be catastrophic, but it's not permanent. Another quote,
Speaker 2: you're perfect, Just don't spoil it. Respect my wishes. People
Speaker 2: with tattoos look trashy and always regret it, et cetera.
Speaker 2: She also got my cousins, my grandma, my aunt, and
Speaker 2: a family friend to send me messages urging me not
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: This is fucking psychotic. Your mom's psychototic. Our mom should
Speaker 1: be friends. This is really weird behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like, as someone who is coming from not
Speaker 2: weird behavior, I'm gonna tell you this is not I know,
Speaker 2: like when you and you started the email being like
Speaker 2: nothing really traumatic for my This is always, dude, this
Speaker 2: is insane. It's peoples with the worst childhoods almost always
Speaker 2: they're like, my childhood was normal.
Speaker 1: I don't remember any.
Speaker 3: Of it, but it was.
Speaker 1: That's why ever one always questions, fine, I go no,
Speaker 1: but mine seriously was I.
Speaker 3: Go, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have time, And I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: have the time to discuss this any further because this
Speaker 2: is actually crazy. Yeah, and there's nothing like seeing your
Speaker 2: mother's behavior reflected in the eyes of your friends and
Speaker 2: loved ones around you. And then for the first time,
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, is that fucked up? Was that fucked
Speaker 2: up the whole time?
Speaker 1: Yep, it was.
Speaker 2: And Third, I was booking a solo trip to travel
Speaker 2: to California when I was twenty one. I was going
Speaker 2: to stay in a hostel in San Diego and do
Speaker 2: a little bit of traveling while I was there. She
Speaker 2: was on board at first, trying to push through her anxieties.
Speaker 2: You're fucking twenty one, like she needs her she's putting
Speaker 2: her tit in your mouth. But eventually, two weeks before
Speaker 2: the trip, she broke down crying and begged me not
Speaker 2: to go because she was so anxious and thought I
Speaker 2: was naive and people would take advantage of me like her, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: She's fucking projecting.
Speaker 1: I decided to cancel the trip.
Speaker 2: Mmm, you were young because she was in such a
Speaker 2: state until I came to my senses and decided to
Speaker 2: have the adventure over.
Speaker 1: To protect her feelings. Okay, so how old are you know?
Speaker 1: Twenty one? Twenty one? Oh you're still twenty one now?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Okay, keep in mind, these are the big three I
Speaker 2: can remember, So technically these could have been the most
Speaker 2: traumatic points in our relationship.
Speaker 1: Nope, if you can't remember them, they weren't.
Speaker 2: Uh but as an adult now, I don't know if
Speaker 2: all these things listed above weren't a low contact almost
Speaker 2: no contact at this point relationship.
Speaker 1: Well, the things are.
Speaker 2: So if these are the there or three things that
Speaker 2: stand out, these behavior like she's these these can't be
Speaker 2: isolated because these, to me show so much more about
Speaker 2: who she is and how she interacted with you as
Speaker 2: a child, Like she thinks she's like you're an extension
Speaker 2: of her, Like that, Like that, like the tattoo and
Speaker 2: the hair, like her her over obsession with your esthetic,
Speaker 2: like that, that, something like that would never be isolated,
Speaker 2: that would leak into every part of your relationship.
Speaker 1: There's no way it couldn't.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you something like, even just a critical,
Speaker 2: overly critical parent, that ship's away at your soul. And
Speaker 2: maybe logically you you love them in quotes, but really
Speaker 2: your body is reacting. So that's why when you said
Speaker 2: your low contact and don't know why, I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: your body telling you, nah, not this bitch. The object
Speaker 2: the objective positive things. She worked a lot to provide
Speaker 2: financially for the family. She got me enrolled in extracurriculars.
Speaker 2: She got me tutors for the subjects I was struggling in.
Speaker 2: She got me nice things for birthdays and Christmases. She's
Speaker 2: hangressed with you being perfect. She says that to you already. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she is objectively a very caring person well as long
Speaker 2: as you're doing everything.
Speaker 1: She likes.
Speaker 2: Her family really appreciates her. She's very generous and selfless.
Speaker 2: Also note here a lot of times like a mother
Speaker 2: can be one way to her daughter and then be
Speaker 2: a total angel to everybody else. Okay, sometimes that happens.
Speaker 2: In hindsight, I started feeling distance from her around age
Speaker 2: eighteen and withdrawing from a relationship.
Speaker 1: Subconsciously.
Speaker 2: I was polite and still living at home, but I
Speaker 2: didn't go to her for advice or for a casual chat.
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in my room after college.
Speaker 2: This went on for years. I honestly can't remember much
Speaker 2: of our relationship at this time, but I wasn't spending
Speaker 2: loads of time at home, social life, going out, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I met my long term boyfriend at age nineteen, so
Speaker 2: I was spending a lot of time with him too.
Speaker 2: By the time she begged me not to go to California,
Speaker 2: it must have been bad because I remember her sobbing saying,
Speaker 2: I wish you knew me when I was your age.
Speaker 1: There it is, we would have been best friends.
Speaker 2: Dude, there's nothing worse. The best friend. Mom is such
Speaker 2: a good People think it's a good thing. It's like
Speaker 2: very bad.
Speaker 1: It's very bad. Do you know my mom and I
Speaker 1: had best friend necklaces Christina. I gave him to her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew it would make her happy. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: But at the time, you feel like she was your
Speaker 2: best friend, because I mean, I I feel like my
Speaker 2: mom is one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: But I would never give her best friends.
Speaker 2: No, I did not feel she was my best friend
Speaker 2: in any way, but I was hiding it, but like
Speaker 2: I was an adult, you know, like it like so
Speaker 2: like if you become best friends as adults, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but like if anytime your adolescence you feel like your
Speaker 2: mom is your uh and not in like.
Speaker 1: A cute see way, it's hard because it's like it's.
Speaker 2: Like Rory and laurl I like that was toxic. It's no,
Speaker 2: it's I'm on the third time around watching that series.
Speaker 2: It's actually very toxic. Yeah, they're not speaking right now.
Speaker 2: It's toxic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no.
Speaker 2: When you actually when you like, well, go to the
Speaker 2: inner depths of that show the way I've gone every
Speaker 2: watch I go, this is actually wildly unhealthy. By the
Speaker 2: time I moved out of home by age twenty two,
Speaker 2: I would do the duty visit at home every few weeks,
Speaker 2: and I always felt uncomfortable around her at that point.
Speaker 2: This is exactly, well, you're younger than me when you
Speaker 2: started experiencing this, but I was basically my body couldn't
Speaker 2: take being around my mother, and I felt really guilty
Speaker 2: about that. And then I would start being a bitch
Speaker 2: to her and she would be like, why are you
Speaker 2: being a bitch, And she wasn't wrong, Like I wasn't
Speaker 2: being polite, but it was because she had chipped away
Speaker 2: at my soul and my bones from day one since
Speaker 2: then that and I wouldn't allow myself to see it.
Speaker 1: So I think you're just starting to allow yourself to
Speaker 1: see these things.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It's like she switched and became a different person. Nah,
Speaker 2: you're probably just realizing she sucked. She was overbearrenly caring
Speaker 2: and helpful and affectionate. I found it needy and weird,
Speaker 2: and it made me pull away more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll do that.
Speaker 2: This dynamic continued over the years, and I guess became
Speaker 2: more and more awkward because I just felt no connection
Speaker 2: to her. Yeah, because she's not coming from a place
Speaker 2: of love and actually caring about you or being curious
Speaker 2: about you. I felt uncomfortable with her in person and
Speaker 2: was less and less inclined to reply to her messages.
Speaker 1: I can logically see.
Speaker 2: I could see logically that she was working so hard
Speaker 2: to be the main financial provider for the family. She
Speaker 2: admitted in one of our two deep conversations that Dad
Speaker 2: wasn't a very active parent, and she felt she had
Speaker 2: to be the disciplinarian and the emotional support and everything else.
Speaker 1: I can attest to this.
Speaker 2: As I've said before, Dad was chill. Dad's are always chill,
Speaker 2: and I have no problem talking to him now. Ironic
Speaker 2: will I will stop in here and say, I think
Speaker 2: part of growing up is also having there's usually one
Speaker 2: parent who's doing more work, and as an adult, as
Speaker 2: a kid, you don't see that. It just seems like
Speaker 2: one parent is like stressed in me and in one
Speaker 2: parent's chill. Know that the chill parent isn't most likely
Speaker 2: not doing enough work in the parenting relationship. So like
Speaker 2: you do have empathy towards the parent who had to
Speaker 2: take on the burden, like it wasn't your fault, but
Speaker 2: like I think to have empathy and like realize that
Speaker 2: our parents are human. YEA is a very important part
Speaker 2: of growing up as well. The mother tax is fucking
Speaker 2: awful and one reason why I don't want to have kids.
Speaker 2: I moved from the home the UK to Australia in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. She has gotten more and more needy
Speaker 2: and clinging, sending me super long messages about how she
Speaker 2: doesn't cope well without me, codependent, how she thinks I'll
Speaker 2: never come home, that she wants to know why I'm
Speaker 2: like this, Oh God, I'm getting PTSD. Jesus fuck yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, the why I'm like this? I feel
Speaker 2: like that your mom sent you like that exact message.
Speaker 1: Yep, oh man, Why I don't speak to her?
Speaker 2: We have had two big conversations about our relationship in
Speaker 2: the last four years. All I can tell her is
Speaker 2: what I've said above, and that therapists have said she
Speaker 2: didn't meet my needs as a child.
Speaker 1: She can. Don't try to make her understand up.
Speaker 2: And that's also like, just like that, there is a
Speaker 2: part of me that, even though I am pro therapy, saying,
Speaker 2: what's some therapist who's known you for like a year,
Speaker 2: it tads to your parent who's on your It feels
Speaker 2: like a fucking fuck you.
Speaker 1: There is a there is a.
Speaker 2: That's if I was a parent, and some fucking I
Speaker 2: even know, Like so I haven't had had an ex
Speaker 2: boyfriend who I knew obviously super well, and his therapist
Speaker 2: is sending him home, his therapist of like three weeks
Speaker 2: sending him home with shit about me.
Speaker 1: I was like, I will go and fuck your therapist up.
Speaker 2: And I said that's I said that to him, and
Speaker 2: actually it was so vindicated because he came back to
Speaker 2: me and he goes, yeah, that therapist actually sucks. I go, well,
Speaker 2: good because I said, I said, I said, I have
Speaker 2: a message for your therapist. Tell her to go fuck herself.
Speaker 2: And I said, literally, please tell her that.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe he did. Fisher.
Speaker 2: I hope he did. I said, she unqualified. Get the
Speaker 2: nice fuck out of my face. So I just, you know, again,
Speaker 2: put yourself again. I'm not saying don't, but I just
Speaker 2: think that we have to really work the empathy in
Speaker 2: some ways. Yeah, I will say when I worked with
Speaker 2: a trauma I worked with a trauma specialist therapist for
Speaker 2: a really long time, and when I was talking to
Speaker 2: her about my mother, I was still on the cusp
Speaker 2: of like, well, this wasn't traumatic. It was She was like,
Speaker 2: your mom tried to kill your herself every time you
Speaker 2: had a milestone.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, but she's ill.
Speaker 2: And it's like she still didn't paint my mother as
Speaker 2: an evil person. She wasn't even like you should go
Speaker 2: no contract.
Speaker 1: She didn't. She didn't say tell me what to do.
Speaker 2: Sure, she just recognized that, like it's it's important to
Speaker 2: need for your mother to see and hear you as
Speaker 2: a child, and it's also important to recognize the ways
Speaker 2: that she damaged you. So it's like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of layers here. Well, or she wasn't even
Speaker 2: she wasn't actually even gonna kill herself. She was just
Speaker 2: trying to take your spotlight away from you when you
Speaker 2: had when you reached your milestone.
Speaker 1: She go, but I reached a milestone too. You know.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's like such a that's like that's like
Speaker 2: a boyfriend who starts a fight on like an important
Speaker 2: night of your life. Yeah, that's that same behavior. It's it's, oh,
Speaker 2: this is too much about you back to me. Yep, dude, yeah, obnoxious.
Speaker 2: She takes accountability for being so volatile with me as
Speaker 2: a teen about how controlling she was.
Speaker 1: Well, that's really nice that she took accountability.
Speaker 2: She truly apologizes and doesn't try to deflect or deny
Speaker 2: how I feel about things.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: She and I both understand how those seemingly minor things
Speaker 2: have they're not minor, have caused me to feel so
Speaker 2: uncomfortable around her. Most people just suck it up and
Speaker 2: speak to their parents. My quote, trauma is not even
Speaker 2: anything compared to actual abuse or neglect or manipulation.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how comparing traumas.
Speaker 2: Yes, we can objectively say that, you know, getting raped
Speaker 2: as a child is worse than your mom being bipolar,
Speaker 2: I get on paper, sure, but it could also actually
Speaker 2: affect a person a similar way.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's pain you were going through pain
Speaker 2: from an abusive parent.
Speaker 1: Yes, there are layers, but I just want to remind
Speaker 1: you of that.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why I have such a visuural reaction
Speaker 2: to her. I've tried to suck it up and call
Speaker 2: her a slash see her so many times, but after
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, I feel so withdrawn into myself.
Speaker 2: I just want it over and can barely speak speaking
Speaker 2: my language. Girl, I feel I'm unfortunately a lot like
Speaker 2: her in my relationship with my partner, too controlling and
Speaker 2: anxiously attached. These are That's great to be aware of
Speaker 2: that because these are things that can absolutely be worked on,
Speaker 2: so it's not a death sentence. I'm open to hypnotherapy
Speaker 2: to see if something truly traumatic happened that I just
Speaker 2: don't remember, but I honestly can't see that being the case. Well,
Speaker 2: if you don't remember years of your childhood, I think
Speaker 2: that's a clue that something something's there. Well, also, before
Speaker 2: we get to hypnotherapy, to me, the first thing that
Speaker 2: I'm saying is like, can you go to the couple's
Speaker 2: therapy with your mom? Like if she's like if she's
Speaker 2: at least she's so she's at least acknowledging it, Like
Speaker 2: and she you know, it seems like she's like being
Speaker 2: semi receptive. Why not go to zoom therapy together, like
Speaker 2: the way the way you would to couple's therapy.
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's like.
Speaker 2: Any relationship that you want to work on, if the
Speaker 2: other person will show up with.
Speaker 1: You, why not. Yeah, And Zoom's a great idea because
Speaker 1: then you don't have to be in the same room
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: They have to live in different countries anyway, by yeah,
Speaker 2: right right, because UK, I'll try, but yeah, like and
Speaker 2: I and at least you know, because it seems like
Speaker 2: you're not ready to like completely give up, and like
Speaker 2: I you know, I you know, for me with like
Speaker 2: you know, relationships, I'm like just leave immediately, but like
Speaker 2: this is the only mom, So like I would say,
Speaker 2: I would try a little harder with this one before
Speaker 2: I decide not to talk to them, And if ultimately
Speaker 2: that's the best decision for you, that's the best decision
Speaker 2: for you. But like, yeah, why not go to fucking
Speaker 2: whatever they call mom daughter? I mean, don't call it
Speaker 2: couples therapy. That's a whole another therapy session. But yeah,
Speaker 2: well it's it's family counseling.
Speaker 1: Family. There you go, family counseling. If it's truly just what.
Speaker 2: I explained in this email, how can I tell her
Speaker 2: that although she did everything.
Speaker 1: She could, it wasn't enough.
Speaker 2: How can I tell her that my body fills with
Speaker 2: anxiety when I see a message from her. How am
Speaker 2: I managing life just fine without her? I mean that's
Speaker 2: because you're an adult. Yeah, I mean the part where
Speaker 2: you said, like, you know, you get older and you
Speaker 2: stopped asking her for advice. I mean that's just normal
Speaker 2: becoming an adult. Like I did that too, because at
Speaker 2: a certain point you have to fucking cut the umbilical cord, right,
Speaker 2: But it also seems like, you know, her crying and
Speaker 2: saying I'm lost without you.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna a Yeah, that's familiar.
Speaker 2: It's called a therapist call that familial incest when the
Speaker 2: parent treats the child like the child is their parent.
Speaker 2: So she's leaning on you in a completely inappropriate way.
Speaker 2: That's weird, and that could be a huge reason why
Speaker 2: your body is not comfortable around her. I can tell
Speaker 2: you the last three or four times that I saw
Speaker 2: my mother in person, I wanted to fucking crawl out
Speaker 2: of my skin and burn it. I kept like it
Speaker 2: was so and I was still confused. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is wrong with me? How any sort of relationship feels
Speaker 2: awkward for us, unnatural, and how every interaction is just
Speaker 2: painfully uncomfortable. I can only bear to message her maybe
Speaker 2: once every month or two. She's calling me every day,
Speaker 2: even even though I asked her if we could only
Speaker 2: have a monthly message back and forth to update each
Speaker 2: other on what's going on in our lives. She has
Speaker 2: She hasn't respect your boundaries, and that's it's not enough
Speaker 2: for her.
Speaker 1: She wants more.
Speaker 2: I avoid seeing messages from her, avoid talking to her,
Speaker 2: avoid even my lovely grandma and Dad's messages because the
Speaker 2: whole family is so stuck on why I who won't
Speaker 2: speak to her?
Speaker 1: And I know they will ask about it. Yeah, I lost.
Speaker 1: I mean I have a very.
Speaker 2: Small family, but I don't talk to some of them
Speaker 2: because of that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I even want a relationship with her.
Speaker 2: You don't because I can manage my life just fine
Speaker 2: without her, and contact with her is so painful. If
Speaker 2: I do decide to spend thousands of dollars on therapy
Speaker 2: just to be able to have contact with her, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be for my benefit, it would be for hers.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that any insight would be appreciated.
Speaker 1: Love a loyal fucker.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would be thousands of dollars if
Speaker 2: you I'll just financially.
Speaker 1: It depends. I mean, like, do you have insurance?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: Again, like if you already made the decision, you've already
Speaker 2: made the decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do agree with Kurt. I think it's
Speaker 1: as somebody who's not I go no contact with both
Speaker 1: of my parents.
Speaker 2: I think that I had to do everything for me personally.
Speaker 2: I had Like the last time I saw her, I
Speaker 2: went down to their place technically mine too, because I
Speaker 2: own half of it. That's where all my money is.
Speaker 2: Where I try to have a conversation. And I told myself,
Speaker 2: I pret myself very very very intently that I wanted
Speaker 2: to be calm, I wanted to be kind, I wanted
Speaker 2: to listen, and I wanted to speak with integrity and
Speaker 2: not stray from my own morals and values. Meaning I
Speaker 2: didn't want to act like a bitch. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to yell. I made it rule with my I've made
Speaker 2: many rules with myself. I stuck to all those rules.
Speaker 2: I drove home screamed, crying the whole way. It just
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't. She su Her head was so up
Speaker 2: her own ass of how can I be the terrible mother?
Speaker 2: How can she just needed me to validate that she
Speaker 2: was a good mom. And it's like, well, you weren't.
Speaker 2: You tried your best. You absolutely tried your best, and
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. Sometimes people's best suck. And the thing,
Speaker 2: the thing that really breaks my heart is you can
Speaker 2: still do a really shitty job as a parent. But
Speaker 2: if you own up to it and you say I
Speaker 2: fucked up and I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I hope one day you can forgive me. There's no hope.
Speaker 2: So your mom seems to have times where she's recognizing
Speaker 2: her but I will say this and my mom did
Speaker 2: this to me, it could be a fucking trap because
Speaker 2: she says I'm sorry and then you go, okay, I
Speaker 2: will have a converse. That's why sasually a mediator should
Speaker 2: be there in a therapist. Yeah, because I agree with you,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but that that I agree with that. That's
Speaker 2: the same thing that I saw as like this like
Speaker 2: little morsel of hope, was the fact that she did
Speaker 2: acknowledge that she was not a good parent and she
Speaker 2: apologized for it, and she like held space for her
Speaker 2: daughter in that.
Speaker 1: That's huge. That's absolutely huge.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've heard enough, I've read enough about healthy
Speaker 2: interactions with parent and child where I'm like, wait, is this.
Speaker 1: What parents are supposed to do?
Speaker 2: God damn, And I think it's a big, big, big, big, big,
Speaker 2: huge blinking red light that your body doesn't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with her to me, Ugh, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: My only hesitation is it just seems like it's become
Speaker 2: more and more popular to like not talk to your
Speaker 2: parents to the point where it's like I feel like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody.
Speaker 2: It's it's like when she talks about the online space,
Speaker 2: like it's really common you'll see influencers all the time
Speaker 2: talking about it, right, and so not that it's like never,
Speaker 2: of course, sometimes it's like the best solution. But I
Speaker 2: feel like in modern society, we've we've and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of it is because of politics. We have,
Speaker 2: like younger generations have been taught or trained or like
Speaker 2: given the okay that when like a relationship isn't going well,
Speaker 2: just to detach and like even when you know, there's
Speaker 2: this notion of like, if you don't agree with your
Speaker 2: family's politics, don't show up to Thanksgiving or Christmas, And like,
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's the way to go about life,
Speaker 2: to just continue because to me, that's like that's like this,
Speaker 2: let me excuse the term, but that's the snowflake approach
Speaker 2: to only a being around people who share the same
Speaker 2: values and opinions as you. And I mean, you guys
Speaker 2: fucking know I have a whole show about doing literally
Speaker 2: not that and so all on the extreme side of it,
Speaker 2: but I just like it's a you know, you have
Speaker 2: to take giving up a singular relationship in your life,
Speaker 2: like this is the only mom you'll ever have, right,
Speaker 2: so like just take that seriously, Yeah, that's all there is,
Speaker 2: and I think you are, but I would give it
Speaker 2: a little bit like more thought, especially especially because at
Speaker 2: the beginning when you said, like, I've been taking in
Speaker 2: a lot of online content, Yeah, maybe stop that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that. I also think that I feel.
Speaker 2: Really, really, really really good every single day about my
Speaker 2: decision to not talk to my parents. But one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why I feel so good about it is
Speaker 2: because I did everything that I could to see if
Speaker 2: there was any hope of mending. I suggested therapy, she
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it. I came down to travel
Speaker 2: to them to explain myself calmly and confidently, and I
Speaker 2: got the same things back, and I got the no recognition,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, all right. And then you know,
Speaker 2: by the time your mom says, well, if I kill myself,
Speaker 2: it's your fault, You're like.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on you. Nance to wrap on you.
Speaker 2: So it is helpful to like, do do the best
Speaker 2: that you can, and then you'll feel much more secure
Speaker 2: in your decision if you don't want to if you
Speaker 2: want to cut contact, you'll feel like, Yep, that is
Speaker 2: absolutely the right choice.
Speaker 6: Sounds like she's got like a very fear based. The
Speaker 6: mom has a very fear based sense of life. I mean,
Speaker 6: just the controlling. Don't be in the position I was in.
Speaker 6: I just kind of had a similar relationship with my
Speaker 6: dad for a few years in high school and like
Speaker 6: kind of like what do you do? It was like
Speaker 6: very much so like every conversation revolved around like you're
Speaker 6: never gonna make money all that type of stuff. And
Speaker 6: then honestly, like how I like got past that because
Speaker 6: like we have a great relationship now. Was like I
Speaker 6: just started like trolling him and like every like.
Speaker 1: Every methods are very interesting eric, but.
Speaker 6: Like every time he would he would try to like
Speaker 6: take the conversation in that direction, I would just kind
Speaker 6: of like point out like the like how silly he's being,
Speaker 6: and yeah, exactly, And it definitely help as far as
Speaker 6: as far as like it's like you realize, this is
Speaker 6: so ridiculous for you to be saying this to be
Speaker 6: as like an adult. And then that quickly, you know,
Speaker 6: I also like started making more money and than that
Speaker 6: pretty much shut them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, parents are like and I know it's coming from
Speaker 2: a place of protection, but even my parents were like
Speaker 2: this like over overly obsessed with like oh no, you're
Speaker 2: never gonna make money.
Speaker 1: And I go listen.
Speaker 2: I know you're not inside my my wild mind, but
Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, you know, I'm Corine Fisher. I did
Speaker 2: I get what needs to be done done. I handle
Speaker 2: it all. So just everyone fucking relax. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 2: like this the whole guy. Damn time, Like it's just
Speaker 2: stop whatever. Parents are gonna worry about you, and of
Speaker 2: course they're gonna be control for you because they probably
Speaker 2: don't want you to be hurt like they've been hurt.
Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, you're I agree with Eric and that, like,
Speaker 2: your mother is definitely coming from a place of absolute fear.
Speaker 2: It's it's driving, it's driving her every reaction with you,
Speaker 2: but not respecting the boundaries. The thing like to me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, was she I don't know what her relationship
Speaker 2: was like with her mother something there?
Speaker 1: You know, we had my mom.
Speaker 2: When we had my mom on the podcast years and
Speaker 2: years and years ago, she told us that she was
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted when.
Speaker 1: She was eleven.
Speaker 2: Sure, and that made me go, oh, that's why you
Speaker 2: left the restaurant when I was sixteen after asking if
Speaker 2: I was a virgin, and I didn't want to lie
Speaker 2: to you, so I said, no, I'm not a virgin,
Speaker 2: and you just fucking left and abandoned me and didn't
Speaker 2: talk to me for two weeks. It's not cool, But
Speaker 2: now I have some understanding as to why that happened.
Speaker 1: You just didn't want me being a sexual person.
Speaker 2: You were fearing that I was going to get assaulted,
Speaker 2: and that you were reacting to the idea of your
Speaker 2: daughter being sexually assaulted. And of course no reaction is
Speaker 2: going to be good when that's the place is coming from.
Speaker 2: So yes, your mom is operating out of fear, but
Speaker 2: it's also her responsibility to get to the bottom of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean, just in general, I've been thinking about
Speaker 2: this concept a lot, Like embarking on parenthood in general
Speaker 2: means you're basically setting yourself up to be a failure,
Speaker 2: right because even if you overall your child has a
Speaker 2: good experience, like, there's going to be a way in
Speaker 2: which you failed that child. And like, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: kind of on my long list of disinterested in having
Speaker 2: a child. It's like, why would I just start a
Speaker 2: project that I know in some way I'm going to
Speaker 2: fail at? This doesn't sound good?
Speaker 3: At all.
Speaker 1: This sounds terrible.
Speaker 2: I'm going to create someone and go through like all
Speaker 2: this pain and like physical trauma so that someone can
Speaker 2: be paying someone every week to talk about a way
Speaker 2: in which I failed them.
Speaker 1: I'm good, No, thank you, I'm good. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's good luck. You're going to figure it.
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Speaker 2: I feel like if you left that as a voice message,
Speaker 2: it would say in parentheses on Apple low confidence.
Speaker 6: I feel like I give that vibe off a lot,
Speaker 6: and it's just because I'm tired, lazy talker.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you're just your overwork. You're tired.
Speaker 1: I'll get that.
Speaker 6: I'm not even tired. I got a bunch of sleep
Speaker 6: last night. I slept on the plane and then I
Speaker 6: slept all night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're over six feet tall. How good can
Speaker 1: your plane sleep be?
Speaker 5: It was great?
Speaker 6: Yes, really, wow, I sleep the night before and that
Speaker 6: I had forty milig edibles and I had a six hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a normal amount. Ten oh the twenty maybe
Speaker 2: do like a five milligram and I smoke weed every day.
Speaker 3: Oh, edibles.
Speaker 2: Everybody's different with edibles though, And you're tall guy, I
Speaker 2: guess so, but forty that's wild.
Speaker 1: But hey, it affects people differently. Whatever you do, you
Speaker 1: do all right.
Speaker 2: Before we get to our guest, I was I was
Speaker 2: have like a sex tip, okay, because now I'm fucking
Speaker 2: all the time because I'm a huge dirty horror No
Speaker 2: something that I realized. I'm like, what a simple thing
Speaker 2: to do that like really puts in the moment.
Speaker 1: Just fuck a little slower, like just like really slow.
Speaker 1: This is because you're in love. If you're not in love,
Speaker 1: do not do this, I will call the police.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: But meaning like, okay, so if he's on the bottom
Speaker 2: and I'm on top, which is my favorite position, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's good one.
Speaker 1: If you go.
Speaker 2: Really slow, oh my god, it's so much hotter, if
Speaker 2: you feels so much better.
Speaker 1: It's wild. Never thought to do it.
Speaker 2: I was always like you never thought to do it,
Speaker 2: like really slow. It's like it's like teasing yourself with
Speaker 2: a it's fucking yeah. No great if you love the person, horrifying.
Speaker 2: If it's casual sex, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, it's been done to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. If there's no connection, don't do that. Sorry.
Speaker 2: If you do have, if you are in a relationship,
Speaker 2: let's just save it for relationship sex. Tips just going
Speaker 2: really slow.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how it's makes a huge difference. It's a
Speaker 1: totally different type of sex, totally different type of like
Speaker 1: a connection. Yeah yeah, but even more than it just
Speaker 1: physically it feels good.
Speaker 2: It's just so much hotter. It's I couldn't believe I've
Speaker 2: been doing this whole time. Well it could that be
Speaker 2: under the umbrella of Tantrick, just because I guess so
Speaker 2: I'm wanting to get into that because I'm very curious.
Speaker 2: It just seems like who has the time? I know
Speaker 2: Sing was doing it because he was already famous.
Speaker 1: Yeah he had. Yeah, he had his assistant to do
Speaker 1: and all the other sh right, when you have an assistant, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hasn't got to watch himself for clips.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this thing is one of my main influences
Speaker 2: of why I wanted to get into it.
Speaker 1: I still do. Who doesn't want to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more like sting? Come on, get a top hat?
Speaker 1: What a guy's top hats?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm taking out you're.
Speaker 2: Thinking of Slash And I knew he was saying, I
Speaker 2: got I fucking young gun over here is thinking of Slash.
Speaker 1: Not even at all similar the s Fields of Gold.
Speaker 1: Who's the police, Eric, get out of the studio? Oh okay,
Speaker 1: you know that, Yeah he goes. You know, my mom
Speaker 1: used to play.
Speaker 6: Police Connected collected vinyls.
Speaker 1: When he went through his cool boy face.
Speaker 3: That was really cool.
Speaker 1: Glad you're shirts too shirt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well speaking also selling acid to be.
Speaker 1: Fair selling acid just nark yourself to the government. That
Speaker 1: was a joke. Everyone, we're all coming. How much did
Speaker 1: it cost? That's cheap? Is that it exper one tab?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh is that good price?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've always gotten mind for free because I don't take
Speaker 2: it from it. I won't get it from unless I
Speaker 2: like know the person. Yeah, and they've done actively done
Speaker 2: that kind of acid. Yeah, like they're kind of like
Speaker 2: making themselves. Some never really done it. I have this
Speaker 2: spray and I tried it like a little micro does,
Speaker 2: but I didn't feel anything aid. I asked it again. Amazing,
Speaker 2: but like just very time consuming. Who has twelve hours?
Speaker 2: I don't like that part.
Speaker 1: That's why I barely like because you're stuck.
Speaker 2: And I was supposed to get these nails fixed days ago,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't want to sit still.
Speaker 1: I can't. Sorry, it's just this is gonna be like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to podcast.
Speaker 1: Why don't you listen to a podcast when you getting
Speaker 1: in nails done?
Speaker 6: Were taking acid?
Speaker 1: Everyone does it. They don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 2: They want to talk about you, and they like when
Speaker 2: your headphones are out. Oh yes, they can be like
Speaker 2: fucking girl with a mustache or whatever, like your old
Speaker 2: like your old joke.
Speaker 1: Christina doesn't have a mustache. Everyone I do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when I see other girls there on their
Speaker 2: headphones or like they're talking to somebody else, they're talking
Speaker 2: on a phone, they should be executed. But that's when
Speaker 2: they're talking and it's on speaker. I'll just look at
Speaker 2: the beach next to me in the nail chair.
Speaker 1: Talking on speaker, and I'm like, how do you sleep
Speaker 1: at night? No, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: How do you fucking sleep at night? If your house
Speaker 2: is being robbed? Would you be aware of it? Because
Speaker 2: you are so not self aware? No, that's crazy. But
Speaker 2: I mean because it's like when you have your headphones out,
Speaker 2: you're not You're not having a ongoing conversation with these women,
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to be present with them.
Speaker 2: And you know, you can still I think, be president
Speaker 2: and have headphones in. I mean, like you know, like
Speaker 2: if they give you like a gup of water, like
Speaker 2: after they give you the little back massage, go back.
Speaker 3: In the thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't want to have a conversation with you.
Speaker 2: I don't think they. Yeah, no, they They like to
Speaker 2: compliment the color. They like to say, oh wow, that
Speaker 2: is nice color.
Speaker 1: Yeah you like that color?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Okay, I see yah. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: all that we need to do. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, ls, it's fine. Today's guests. Both of our guests,
Speaker 1: yes too. Oh my god. One of them.
Speaker 2: Is a dare i say, legendary stand up comedian and
Speaker 2: my title for him is filthy gentleman.
Speaker 1: Uh and his beautiful lovely wife. He could be a
Speaker 1: stand up comedian. Yeah, so funny. She's very funny.
Speaker 2: And you could track their adventures in love and marriage
Speaker 2: the YouTube. Everyone in comedy is Jim, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it was like, Jim's married. He's smiling and like,
Speaker 2: you guys are everywhere, and your love emanates from the
Speaker 2: videos that I've seen in and it makes me very happy.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've talked about this already, but I'm curious.
Speaker 2: How'd you guys meet?
Speaker 5: It was online?
Speaker 3: An online relationship for like almost a year a year,
Speaker 3: recorded for a year, seven months.
Speaker 5: Because we we're going to have her come visit, and
Speaker 5: we've been facetiming every day, but they they wouldn't a
Speaker 5: ring of a minor pot charge. So we wound up
Speaker 5: just becoming like face timing every day. And then I
Speaker 5: booked gigs in Oslo.
Speaker 1: Oh you're from Oslo, she's from Norway.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Coolah, that's why your skin is perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well I'm very pale, I feel, and.
Speaker 4: I love it. It's just it's best. Thanks so much.
Speaker 4: I used to do spray tans, but now I'm going
Speaker 4: to try to be pale for.
Speaker 5: A little while.
Speaker 1: Pale's a great hail. Hail's a great look.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So you were face timing from and you were in Oo.
Speaker 2: So you were facetiming for about every day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like for seven months. I booked gigs, we met
Speaker 5: for the first time, and then she came to Amsterdam
Speaker 5: for two days. But I know, and then I knew,
Speaker 5: I like, I really like her in person.
Speaker 2: Wait a year a year of tea like teasing, like
Speaker 2: that's got to be by the time you finally were
Speaker 2: face to face, did you just explode?
Speaker 1: Did your balls explode?
Speaker 3: Like many times.
Speaker 5: Who were asking but not like no, I think we
Speaker 5: like to eat first. Because I didn't want to just
Speaker 5: be like.
Speaker 3: The first man whoever took me on to day. It
Speaker 3: was very special to me. Jim is a great man.
Speaker 5: Yeah. We went to uh either lunch or something which
Speaker 5: with dinner.
Speaker 3: To thak dinner.
Speaker 4: That's the first time I was ever on a day,
Speaker 4: but first time ever, first time ever in my life.
Speaker 3: I was what nineteen, Yeah, my first.
Speaker 1: Man right right after that eighteen market.
Speaker 5: Yeah there to get condoms.
Speaker 1: Well, young women.
Speaker 2: We were just had a good conversation with an earlier interview.
Speaker 2: When you're when you're fourteen fifteen s that you lie
Speaker 2: about her, Oh my god all the time, and it's
Speaker 2: like he he I knew he was an old man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that are you into older?
Speaker 3: I love mature man.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, it's a great way.
Speaker 2: Why I always I've described him, we've had him on
Speaker 2: the podcast before as like a filthy gentleman, which I
Speaker 2: think is like a perfect line for a man.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's a great The world is your oyster.
Speaker 1: You can go anywhere from there.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love being Jim's wife is fabulous.
Speaker 5: It's weird to be married, like real liked.
Speaker 3: Do you ever think that he would get married.
Speaker 1: No, nont, I just didn't think you were interested.
Speaker 3: It seems like the man who would get married.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when you say he's a great man,
Speaker 2: like that to me is not surprising at all. I
Speaker 2: think because of your comedy, a lot of people would
Speaker 2: think that you are a certain way, but like you
Speaker 2: can be kinky and sexually explorative.
Speaker 1: Any good human being.
Speaker 2: And I remember, like years ago when we interviewed for
Speaker 2: you for the first time, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is like a really good person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that doesn't surprise me that someone would
Speaker 1: want to marry him.
Speaker 2: But I guess, yeah, like it seems like you meet
Speaker 2: like being free sexually, I guess so's it's.
Speaker 1: Marriage doesn't stop that necessarily.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I mean, and we're monogamous, Like it's weird.
Speaker 3: Like I've been such a ship boyfriend, traditional wife.
Speaker 5: But I don't want to. I don't want to open relationship.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do. I'm fifty five, I can't.
Speaker 4: And Jim was also in a point of his life
Speaker 4: where he was ready to settle. I I think he
Speaker 4: was looking for a partner and we were way better
Speaker 4: match than neither of us knew.
Speaker 5: But I didn't even know if I was looking for somebody,
Speaker 5: like I remember looking at her whis we were talking
Speaker 5: one time, I'm like, I'm going to marry her, like
Speaker 5: we always like I'm going to marry her, like I
Speaker 5: said it to myself before we met. But then I'm like,
Speaker 5: you don't know if you meet, what if you don't
Speaker 5: have chemistry, what if you don't like each other.
Speaker 2: And you can't tell you're like a might being nuts
Speaker 2: here because like every time, yeah, have.
Speaker 1: You ever said that before?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I said it before and the guy. I
Speaker 2: looked back at the guy and I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, when I was like being dirty love bombing.
Speaker 4: But that's from what happened to us, because when I
Speaker 4: first saw him in the elevator, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I thought he would have maybe like a small dick
Speaker 4: like I don't know, but then he really charmed me
Speaker 4: on and I really did fall in love about after
Speaker 4: that dinner, I really catched on real feelings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was hard to determine beforehand, like how much
Speaker 5: of this was just lust or because until you meet,
Speaker 5: you have no idea what.
Speaker 4: I also used to live my whole life behind closed doors,
Speaker 4: like I was never out in public with another man ever,
Speaker 4: really no, because because I'm transgenders for me, and especially
Speaker 4: being in my hometown and not in New York and
Speaker 4: like America.
Speaker 1: Right in New York it's we except everybody, whatever your
Speaker 1: thing is.
Speaker 3: I love in New York, but being home in Norway,
Speaker 3: it's so much difference.
Speaker 1: How is it in Norway with transgender?
Speaker 4: Well, for me, I feel like it's it's it's hard
Speaker 4: because I'm from a village, so there's cows and there's mooing.
Speaker 4: There's not so many trans people, so when you're trans
Speaker 4: there everyone knows each other.
Speaker 3: I just don't feel that accepted in my hometown. That's
Speaker 3: just why it is. People look at me start.
Speaker 2: Me like you're like, it feels like you're a trans person,
Speaker 2: not Nikki, just not with respect.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, it's.
Speaker 5: Too different there, like and a lot of guys are
Speaker 5: afraid to go out in public. They don't want to
Speaker 5: be seen like they.
Speaker 3: Want so they will let you know by I.
Speaker 2: Don't know how, like what what the what's the vibe
Speaker 2: of the people there, like not very accepting love.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they're pretty liberal people.
Speaker 4: I just feel like being a very liberal paradise, as
Speaker 4: they call it. I think maybe a bit more conservative mindset. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and maybe it's because I'm Norwegian and I look so
Speaker 4: Norwegian and they can tell, oh, this is something else
Speaker 4: than just a Norwegian girl, right, there's something else under there.
Speaker 5: Something substantial. Yes, yeah, but they're not. They're nice people,
Speaker 5: but they're also very no. No, I love my very much,
Speaker 5: very to the point, very direct, and it just seems
Speaker 5: kind of rude sometimes. But I think that's just a
Speaker 5: direct like like Russians are like that. I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 5: just blather out like the whole country is on the spectrum.
Speaker 2: That's a great Waybut Nikki, how are your parents like
Speaker 2: with with like?
Speaker 4: Have my parents love me so much? I have great parents,
Speaker 4: my mom and my dad so accepting.
Speaker 3: They love Jim.
Speaker 4: We met Jim on Christmas. We spent two Christmases together. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we love You're a real family, the Nortons.
Speaker 1: That's cue.
Speaker 5: It's they're nice people. Her dad, her real dad, I
Speaker 5: didn't meet for a while, but her mom and her
Speaker 5: stepdad and uh yeah, I get along well with her
Speaker 5: family and my family loves her like I had great
Speaker 5: I had to talk in twenty seventeen with them. I'm like,
Speaker 5: we had did. We had just started talking. I think
Speaker 5: around there and I'm like, look, this is girl I met,
Speaker 5: and I just said, look, she's transgender and whatever.
Speaker 3: She asked you if you were gay?
Speaker 5: Are you gay? I think she asked me that on
Speaker 5: the phone, but I had to have dinner with them,
Speaker 5: and like, because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: How did you say? Like, well, how did that conversation go?
Speaker 2: I'm curious, like what did you say to her to
Speaker 2: be like mom?
Speaker 5: I talked on the phone and I said, no, I'm
Speaker 5: not gay. I'm like, but it ain't straight. I mean,
Speaker 5: I didn't need to say that to me. You know,
Speaker 5: they didn't ask if you had.
Speaker 3: So many people have they probably wanted to.
Speaker 5: That's the first thing people want to know.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: So yeah, many people are like Jim just doesn't admit
Speaker 4: that he's not gay. But it's like it's a different thing.
Speaker 4: I feel, it's not like attracted to just men.
Speaker 2: There's also like like Bailey j was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite porns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hot.
Speaker 2: Her look is so huge and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: remember when I first saw her. I was like WHOA,
Speaker 2: Like I am this is all the things that I
Speaker 2: truly these kitties are just like this is she have
Speaker 2: great tips, great dick, and I'm like, good for you girls.
Speaker 1: Pretty face, gorgeous face. Yeah, great act.
Speaker 5: Bailey is a home run.
Speaker 1: Probably got a great heart too, but boy, her body is.
Speaker 5: She's a good friend. I've had her like host projects
Speaker 5: with me, Like I did a show on Vice and
Speaker 5: Bailey was my co host, like my announcer and my
Speaker 5: co host, and I did something else and she was
Speaker 5: my co host. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 5: She's really funny. I haven't seen her in a long time,
Speaker 5: but her and her husband our friends. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: not if I was a homosexual and I just like Ben,
Speaker 5: I would tell you exactly.
Speaker 2: One thing about you that I love so much is
Speaker 2: like you accept yourself without question and it's like how
Speaker 2: everybody should behave. But you also have these extreme like
Speaker 2: desires that you like and you're like, yeah, I'm fine
Speaker 2: with that too, Like you're fine with yourself, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: I wish more people would be. But I'm interested. Nikki.
Speaker 2: So with the transgender movement in America, like we talk
Speaker 2: about a lot like trans women of color very likely
Speaker 2: to get murdered, and it's it's so in the forefront
Speaker 2: of trans people's identity. But it's like you're so much
Speaker 2: more than that. So my question is like beyond transgender,
Speaker 2: like who, like.
Speaker 1: What do you like?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What are your what are your dreams?
Speaker 3: Computer?
Speaker 4: Nice music, have fun, travel, I like to have fun
Speaker 4: with third behind.
Speaker 5: Basically funny would be first, that would have fun, creative?
Speaker 1: Do you go with Jim on the road sometimes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, preferably not?
Speaker 2: Is that is that your preference or preference you just don't.
Speaker 4: You don't always tell him if you really want me
Speaker 4: to come with you, I'll come with you. But if
Speaker 4: it's a very boring place, maybe not more conservative, maybe.
Speaker 5: Not just coming to Austin with me because I'll be
Speaker 5: there for a few days, but like then after that,
Speaker 5: I'm going to Oklahoma, Houston, Dallas one night each. It's like,
Speaker 5: you don't need to be in that.
Speaker 3: I would rather be at home and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5: Use your space too, Like I've never I didn't live
Speaker 5: with anybody. For the first time I lived with any
Speaker 5: woman in my life ever was her in the pandemic
Speaker 5: and I ran up to Montreal and lived in a
Speaker 5: one bedroom for fifteen months. I left the US. No
Speaker 5: one knew I was gone. I had no idea I
Speaker 5: would be gone that long. The border was closed, and
Speaker 5: if it came, I couldn't have left. So I stayed
Speaker 5: with her for fifteen months on Ready Boulevard in Montreal
Speaker 5: and a one bedroom and that's the first well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you don't know.
Speaker 2: You could get it along so swimmingly, have the perfect sex,
Speaker 2: and then when you move in that's they start doing
Speaker 2: ship there you're like all like that.
Speaker 4: And this was during COVID and Canada was like one
Speaker 4: of the countries that were most locked down.
Speaker 3: And how good did we do? We had so much fun.
Speaker 5: We did very well, especially considering it to be in
Speaker 5: by eight pm. Montreal was really panicky. We did little
Speaker 5: day trip or a weekend trip to Toronto to stay
Speaker 5: in a nice hotel because rooms were so cheap, and
Speaker 5: city just yeah, things to keep us busy. Sure, but
Speaker 5: it was my first time living with someone and the
Speaker 5: embassy was closed. Her visa was on hold because I
Speaker 5: put up in Montreal from Norway so I could see
Speaker 5: her every weekend. I was driving to Montreal every other weekend.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, yes, because they didn't have a problem with
Speaker 4: my with my pot.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, guys can we just all
Speaker 1: graduate basically.
Speaker 3: A ticket like a parking ticket.
Speaker 5: Norway.
Speaker 2: But it also feels like it's just an excuse to
Speaker 2: like stop people from immigrating to the US. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're just like doing some doing things to control it.
Speaker 2: It's fifties, sorry, fifties pot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a long road.
Speaker 4: I just feel blessed to be here now. It's because
Speaker 4: it's been such a long road.
Speaker 3: Five years.
Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't realize you had been together that long.
Speaker 5: It was a long time. And I was driving out
Speaker 5: to Montreal. Do radio finish on Thursday, jump in my car,
Speaker 5: see her Friday Saturday in Montreal Thursday, Friday Saturday, and
Speaker 5: drive home Sunday morning, do radio go on the road
Speaker 5: the next weekend. The weekend after that, would drive back
Speaker 5: up and it just became.
Speaker 2: A life and what and so what was the conversation
Speaker 2: like from you being you know, kind of really private
Speaker 2: about this to then fully having like a reality show online.
Speaker 5: We would private only because there was two reasons. One, yeah,
Speaker 5: we wanted to make sure that we got along as
Speaker 5: a couple of ship. We didn't want it to be shtick.
Speaker 5: And I didn't want to adjudicate this whole thing publicly,
Speaker 5: like I have a big mouth and immigration is so
Speaker 5: frustrating that I would have fans would have got sick
Speaker 5: of here.
Speaker 4: And then again, should we have open our personal life
Speaker 4: before we even know that? If I could get in
Speaker 4: here and live here, then we wouldn't have a life
Speaker 4: from the first place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that wouldn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: I didn't see any I didn't know what I was
Speaker 5: going to do if she didn't get in, so there
Speaker 5: was just nothing beyond that.
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be happy to live with Jim completely privately.
Speaker 4: I would be completely happy to do that. That would
Speaker 4: not be any problem.
Speaker 5: It would be hard for me because I'm so public
Speaker 5: with my life and it was so hard not talking
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 2: It's nice to have yet to have your listeners and
Speaker 2: fans who love you and care about you and are
Speaker 2: invested in your life to be along for the ride too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to share that with people, but deserve to hear it.
Speaker 4: Really, everyone thinks that I'm like, oh, she's trying to
Speaker 4: be this rising star. I just like to have fun
Speaker 4: on Instagram and they choose to watch sometimes and it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's clear, because I mean I think
Speaker 2: you know comedians, I were all like productive of Jim.
Speaker 2: So there was this kind of initial gaze like what's
Speaker 2: going on here? But it was like very clear, very
Speaker 2: quickly that you are actually in love.
Speaker 5: There are people who think, oh, she's using it, Like
Speaker 5: I get it. I understand how people see it and
Speaker 5: even when we react interact online. But she's funny and
Speaker 5: she's mean with her jokes, and that's what that's just perfect.
Speaker 4: Trying to be funny too on the podcast and I'll
Speaker 4: make a dick joke his mouth, also trying to be funny.
Speaker 2: When people see like two people in love, they're like,
Speaker 2: what's the cat? Like, everybody's so eager to be like, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's fucked up somewhere, especially the people that have
Speaker 2: not had to help a your relationship. I'm curious, Jim,
Speaker 2: what have you learned about yourself since courting Nikki and
Speaker 2: being and marrying her.
Speaker 5: That I am? I was kind of looking for something
Speaker 5: all those years, like you can. I mean, I did
Speaker 5: pretty much whatever I wanted my whole adult life and
Speaker 5: still left me in a manic depression. It didn't mean anything.
Speaker 5: So like this, I'm very happy with Nikki. I don't
Speaker 5: like everyone was like, wow, if I would, if I
Speaker 5: went out and cheated, Like, but I really haven't. Like
Speaker 5: it's crazy that I have because I cheated on everybody
Speaker 5: else in my life. Oh, she's the first one I've
Speaker 5: ever been because I know that once I do it,
Speaker 5: I can't tell myself I've never done it, right, But
Speaker 5: I'm just ready to. And I love you And it's
Speaker 5: not worth it. It's just not a.
Speaker 2: Combination of a lot of factors. Who you are, Nikki
Speaker 2: and then the state in your life that you're that
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 4: Were fought a battle that we didn't know that we
Speaker 4: would win. So I feel like we fought for this
Speaker 4: life too.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I had to fight for it. I had to
Speaker 5: wait for it. I had to fight for it. I
Speaker 5: had to fly to Norway. I mean we've been to lawyers,
Speaker 5: three different lawyers.
Speaker 2: Jeez. But I feel like that, like the successful person
Speaker 2: in you like probably likes that, Like that makes it
Speaker 2: feel like you earned it.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I know it was not impulsive and.
Speaker 2: You had to interrogate yourself along the way of like
Speaker 2: I still want to be here, right, I still want
Speaker 2: to be here right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I do. Yeah. It was it was almost like
Speaker 5: if I was going to bail out. Like now that
Speaker 5: things even when things are hard here, this is easy.
Speaker 5: Like nothing will ever be as hard as that five
Speaker 5: year process. Yeah, maybe for the embassy to open her
Speaker 5: getting rejected five times, five times.
Speaker 3: Nine months for an appointment. She's in for another nine months.
Speaker 1: For the other episod Like they're trying to make you
Speaker 1: have a breakdown.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really We got like a real immigration education,
Speaker 5: like you learn everything about it and like I have
Speaker 5: empathy for people.
Speaker 3: It almost become a lawyer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she well, she actually found stuff in she
Speaker 5: found something that they that the other lawyers didn't find.
Speaker 4: Second lawyer told us, look, she has a drunk conviction.
Speaker 4: She'll never get in on immigration purposes for hashish because
Speaker 4: that's what she's smoking normally, not pot. But but but
Speaker 4: then I found a little officer's handbook online and it's
Speaker 4: the only drunk conviction you can get into the States
Speaker 4: with is fifteen grams are less of marijuana.
Speaker 5: Oh and but but they're like the lawyer goes, that's
Speaker 5: not hashish, but it's cannabis. Right, So if she she
Speaker 5: found the thing that said it's it's like less, it's
Speaker 5: like fifteen thirty grams of pot or six grams of
Speaker 5: it's five to one. So then the whole thing was,
Speaker 5: how do we prove that her ticket was for less
Speaker 5: than six It's a fuck, but we did it by
Speaker 5: the book. I mean when you do things by the book.
Speaker 5: The government uses the mail like everything is slow. It's
Speaker 5: the post office in New York.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: Probably New York is the most liberating place I have
Speaker 4: ever walked. The streets here, no one gives a fuck.
Speaker 4: I've never had one person tell me anything in New York. Ever,
Speaker 4: it's fine.
Speaker 2: I feel like if anything, like there's been very few
Speaker 2: times is that I've witnessed a guy like say something
Speaker 2: like witness bigotry, and it's like everybody around us is like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck did you just say?
Speaker 1: Like we all protect each other in the West.
Speaker 3: I feel like a different breed here than I do
Speaker 3: in Norway.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: When I'm in Norway, it's a lot groggy and very direct,
Speaker 4: and here, at least you can set yourself for.
Speaker 1: A little yeah and be weird. You can be weird.
Speaker 1: We just love hot people here. If you're hot yeah.
Speaker 5: Us yeah, or those of us that aren't hot, just
Speaker 5: be funny, like dance.
Speaker 1: You don't got to be anything other.
Speaker 5: Than yeah, just a disaster. But just be funny as
Speaker 5: long as you have something to bring.
Speaker 2: Have you ever dated a woman's that's like arm candy,
Speaker 2: like Nikki, like tall model.
Speaker 5: Fucking I've done, I've done my extra friend, and this
Speaker 5: is what a fucking dope I am sher? My extra
Speaker 5: friends are very close. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm friends with
Speaker 5: every one of my exes except one interesting, way more
Speaker 5: attractive than I am. Like I've always batted out of
Speaker 5: my league. I guess you she again being funny? You know, yes, yes,
Speaker 5: you're right. It does, but it gets you in the
Speaker 5: door and then you have to But Jen, who I love,
Speaker 5: is a fucking ferocious, kind of really perceptive person who
Speaker 5: always takes her side. It's so irritating that I introduced
Speaker 5: these two. But she'll will be fighting extra friends.
Speaker 4: I'm right too. If we argue, she'll let me know
Speaker 4: that that's really true.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're right, fucking Jim, Yeah, they can really, I
Speaker 5: hear it. I'm like so, but I like that she
Speaker 5: has someone to talk to who I Respecteah, I respect
Speaker 5: my action.
Speaker 1: She knows you well.
Speaker 3: How long were you together?
Speaker 5: I think it was like two thousand and eleven. We
Speaker 5: broke up many many years ago, but about three years
Speaker 5: ago it was a long friends. Yeah. Yeah, she's one
Speaker 5: of my closest friends.
Speaker 1: That's nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she's been. She's been a jk ultra. I'll
Speaker 5: plug her on TikTok. She's like a half a million
Speaker 5: TikTok followers for her. She's really interesting and she got
Speaker 5: this great fucking brain.
Speaker 1: Nice. If she loves UFOs, you should have her on
Speaker 1: your Oh she loves U f.
Speaker 2: M.
Speaker 1: Aliens and okay, I gotta have I'm very obsessed. I
Speaker 1: want to get abducted so bad. I have a new
Speaker 1: show called Wait What about Aliens?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 2: And the there's so much the evidence that's out there
Speaker 2: that is provable is wild.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, guys, why are we talking about this all?
Speaker 3: Have you seen an alien?
Speaker 1: No? I want I mean, I want you so bad.
Speaker 1: I would That's all I would ever talk about.
Speaker 3: If I did.
Speaker 1: That's why she hasn't.
Speaker 2: Also, a lot of the sightings in the United States
Speaker 2: started happening in the fifties when the atomic bombs were
Speaker 2: being built. And I have this theory from all of
Speaker 2: the literature I've read that aliens could actually save us
Speaker 2: from ourselves. So I think they're very peace oriented.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Maybe. And the funny part is I believe none of it.
Speaker 5: I'm one hundred percent skeptic, but I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, well, show me the proof and that
Speaker 1: I'll believe it. I think that's why.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jenda's is very you gotta believe, very very. Jenda
Speaker 5: is very much and she like I would talk to
Speaker 5: her as I was driving to see Nikki in Montreal,
Speaker 5: and Jen can fucking talk and she would like, but
Speaker 5: on a rant about this stuff, and I'm like, i
Speaker 5: don't believe any of this, but I'm still really enjoying
Speaker 5: listening to Yeah, to do a podcast about you have
Speaker 5: to like she's such a good fucking talker. I'm like,
Speaker 5: you're making me want to listen about this and it's not.
Speaker 1: And you're a nonbeliever, which is great audience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you can get me interested in it,
Speaker 5: you're really good at talking about it. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 5: But anyway, she's also great at fucking taking her side,
Speaker 5: which is it's annoying, but it's also I'm glad that
Speaker 5: she has that person in her life.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, I love her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that she knows the core of jem ye.
Speaker 4: Then good see he's here too, Yeah, bitch about him?
Speaker 2: Are there like points of contention that keep coming up?
Speaker 2: Like usually couples, like there is like one issue and
Speaker 2: it's usually not even about something big, but it's something
Speaker 2: that keeps coming up.
Speaker 3: Always has to win the argument. Oh interesting always?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that just like? Is that? What is that? The comic?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 5: Part of it is? It? Just doesn't like because I
Speaker 5: think that I'm right, But I also Nikki will cry
Speaker 5: a lot, fair like we're arguing about something and she'll
Speaker 5: get very emotional. I've gotten better at shutting the fuck
Speaker 5: up like in her like she doesn't know the old me,
Speaker 5: Like this version is much better.
Speaker 4: I know what you're saying. But we argue and we
Speaker 4: hit a wall and I was started to cry. How
Speaker 4: dare you still try to win the argument? You know
Speaker 4: how crazy that? But I know my hormone some transgenct.
Speaker 5: I know I've heard this with tears coming down.
Speaker 3: Enough break already enough with what I'm dealing with.
Speaker 5: But I get very cold when I argue, Like.
Speaker 1: Even that would make me cry.
Speaker 5: I like, I know you're my wife like, I'm not
Speaker 5: we're not debating that.
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at his computer screen and he'll try
Speaker 4: to lecture me to sometimes.
Speaker 2: This is true, like the age difference.
Speaker 1: Different.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't work out with him if I didn't have
Speaker 3: daddy issues. I do have daddy issues. God, my father,
Speaker 3: he's the closest, one of the closest.
Speaker 1: He's the most what's the daddy issue?
Speaker 4: Then, well, he wasn't in my life when I was younger.
Speaker 4: I think that that would you know, that would give
Speaker 4: anyone daddy issues?
Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, So the age and then also I think, like
Speaker 2: you you mentioned as a joke like you're transgunder you
Speaker 2: have hormones, but for real, like how how so you're
Speaker 2: actively taking hormones still, and like how does that affect.
Speaker 3: Her in the same dosage for like eleven years?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: And did what was when you started taking them? Did
Speaker 2: you notice a change in your mood?
Speaker 3: Yes, my boobs were very painful.
Speaker 4: One time in my room, the edge of the door
Speaker 4: accidentally hitded.
Speaker 3: It was like a few months.
Speaker 1: A tender boob, terrible tender boo.
Speaker 3: It was worse than your toe times ten.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, very very terrible. How old were you
Speaker 2: when you were like, oh, I'm the wrong gender, Like
Speaker 2: I'm the gender i'm born and is not the one
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 4: I always walk like this when I was like a
Speaker 4: little you know, But then when I was like twelve eleven,
Speaker 4: maybe they're like for real, like way, but I don't
Speaker 4: want to have a beard. Oh my god, that drives
Speaker 4: me crazy. I would rather kill myself than have a beard.
Speaker 4: Oh really, since showing me that, Yeah, so that's how
Speaker 4: I knew that I have some sort of form of
Speaker 4: dysphoy it whatever it is. Yeah, and you boys said
Speaker 4: to your parents yes, And then she took me to
Speaker 4: a psychologist. And then in Norway they're not just any
Speaker 4: doctor won't put your man's Yeah, I got to go
Speaker 4: to the National Hospital. I did that in Oslo, and
Speaker 4: I thought they were wonderful.
Speaker 3: Day.
Speaker 4: That's good, a lot of therapists and psychologists. And then
Speaker 4: they put me on the hormone.
Speaker 5: To diagnosis, Like there's a diagnosis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: So it seems like while the maybe the population is
Speaker 2: super fucking judgy and filled with bigotry in that respect,
Speaker 2: the Government Act makes it so that if you want
Speaker 2: a transition you can, but it's not like I'm.
Speaker 3: Just putting on this dress and ooho having fun.
Speaker 4: I literally, if I was a man and had to
Speaker 4: live life as a man, I would definitely not be.
Speaker 1: Alive right right right, And that's such a thing.
Speaker 3: It's didn't live as a woman in a video game.
Speaker 1: I don't know, right right, And it's like, what kind
Speaker 1: of fucking life is that?
Speaker 2: Like when people can't understand, like why, like the transgender
Speaker 2: issue in America gets conflated. I think with the news,
Speaker 2: they give you the headline that's gonna that's gonna piss
Speaker 2: off the conservative parents the most, and it's like, guys,
Speaker 2: can we not stop jerking off that one dick of
Speaker 2: like of this issue, because it's like, if you are
Speaker 2: born feeling like something isn't right, you have every right
Speaker 2: to address that and make it right for yourself.
Speaker 5: And then he guy like that, that teacher in Canada
Speaker 5: who I thought was clearly fetish, like the guy he
Speaker 5: was a woodshop teacher, and then he just showed up
Speaker 5: for work with these giant faked hits. They looked like
Speaker 5: Mickey Dean Motorhead, like these giant breasts.
Speaker 1: Danny Polish, Chuck the comedian.
Speaker 2: He was walking around like he ordered them and was
Speaker 2: like doing a lot a lot of bits about making
Speaker 2: fun of this.
Speaker 5: What is he just he No, I don't believe he is.
Speaker 3: I believe it's transgender.
Speaker 4: But he was like a high school teacher and he
Speaker 4: was teaching kids or whatever, and he had all these
Speaker 4: h sized.
Speaker 1: Boots, just came in one day with like worse.
Speaker 4: Than drag queen Bianca Delrio. I mean, the teaching then
Speaker 4: beg and it's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 5: And it would be pictures of him walking around without
Speaker 5: them because he goes, oh, no, it's a genetic thing.
Speaker 5: They're real. But then reporters would catch pictures of him
Speaker 5: without the breast, just living life in like a regular person.
Speaker 3: Shame on you, because it's like, yeah, it's not weird,
Speaker 3: fucking weird.
Speaker 4: And even if I saw them in the grocery store
Speaker 4: or even a strip clump, yeah it's fucking.
Speaker 5: Weird having them this big with the giant nipples and
Speaker 5: short skirts. Stop it Like that to me was fetish
Speaker 5: because you're not living your life like that. You're wearing
Speaker 5: that around high school students, but then people are catching
Speaker 5: you going to the store and a denim jacket, a
Speaker 5: T shirt. Where's your breast?
Speaker 1: This is not something you actually need to make you feel.
Speaker 5: Like, this is not how you feel whole like you.
Speaker 5: I just did my Personally, I didn't believe it. And
Speaker 5: I think the fact that that gets lumped in and
Speaker 5: people can't just go to you a fucking idiot. Like
Speaker 5: people everyone's so scared to get in trouble that it
Speaker 5: has to all be talked about with the same level
Speaker 5: of gravity silly.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's very insulting. The expectation of like respect
Speaker 1: my tits.
Speaker 5: It's like, that's great, dressful you want. They don't wonder why,
Speaker 5: Like in a school, it just feels fetishy. Yeah, Like
Speaker 5: I don't you can wear what you want. I don't
Speaker 5: want to see a male teacher showing up with the
Speaker 5: assless chaps, right, you know what I'm saying, sir? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it'll be weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was.
Speaker 2: I followed, so I do it another like a news
Speaker 2: show and I there's a trans influencer named Eden the
Speaker 2: Doll who I follow.
Speaker 3: She's so pretty.
Speaker 1: Did you see the video she posted like a day
Speaker 1: or two ago.
Speaker 2: It was very interesting and she said that she personally
Speaker 2: feels that she wasn't born in the wrong body. She said,
Speaker 2: I don't think God makes mistakes. She's like, I think
Speaker 2: that I was put on this earth with the challenge
Speaker 2: that I would need to transition and that is a
Speaker 2: part of who I am because God knew I could
Speaker 2: handle that challenge. I thought that was a very interesting
Speaker 2: take that I had never heard before.
Speaker 1: And I just want to.
Speaker 3: Taybe, that was your power in life, right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to challenge those around her with an idea that
Speaker 2: maybe people can't understand.
Speaker 1: But that's not at all how you felt you felt
Speaker 1: wrong body or I.
Speaker 4: Just know that what I felt and the feelings that
Speaker 4: I started feeling around twelve thirty, right, and the real
Speaker 4: oh my god, the clock is taking I don't want
Speaker 4: to be a fucking man was real.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I had to tell my mom. Yeah, I had
Speaker 4: to tell my family, and if I didn't, I don't
Speaker 4: know what would happened. Terrifying to me.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that you smiled, that's what you said.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do like her view on it, though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of like the Wou wou person
Speaker 2: and me was like, oh, this is I've never heard
Speaker 2: this expressed in this way, and that's really interesting. But
Speaker 2: I just also liked that it was a point of
Speaker 2: view about a trans person from a trans person. When
Speaker 2: I realized so much of the information that we get,
Speaker 2: and I think this is a huge problem.
Speaker 1: It's just about people just like you. Do you even
Speaker 1: know a trans person?
Speaker 2: Fox News every day on the main page there's a
Speaker 2: story about trans people like they're obsessed, obsessed.
Speaker 4: They called them now, they didn't call them a she.
Speaker 4: Ten years ago they would say he on TV. I
Speaker 4: didn't do that anymore, right, So I'm not saying they're not.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we love trans people, baby, They've.
Speaker 1: Got really gendering respect, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the world is changing. I really do.
Speaker 4: Ten years ago, I couldn't find any information. And I've
Speaker 4: said this on a lot of podcasts, but when Caitlyn
Speaker 4: Jenner went on the magazine for Vanity Fair, yeah, micro countries,
Speaker 4: we're talking about transgender.
Speaker 3: I was out of the door and out of the
Speaker 3: claw set.
Speaker 4: And ever since then for me as a foreigner too,
Speaker 4: being an Internet person, it changed the world to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, Yeah, I knew when that happened.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's amazing that such a famous family
Speaker 2: has a person who not only like lived most of
Speaker 2: their life as a very famous man. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: now everybody's going to be talking about this in a
Speaker 2: totally different way for the second sheet.
Speaker 5: But you know, like they're they're fake with like you know,
Speaker 5: show business, they're they're their allies.
Speaker 2: They're just their frauds, like Titi Bank with the Pride
Speaker 2: flags on price, Like the fuck up?
Speaker 5: How many when's the last time an actor brought somebody
Speaker 5: trans to an award show? Pablo Pascal, they brought his
Speaker 5: sisters transgendercy that's different. That's different than a romantic relationship.
Speaker 1: That's family.
Speaker 5: Yeah, family is different. It's nice that he brought it,
Speaker 5: but I mean that's not the point of It's.
Speaker 1: Like, try harder, Patrio, We're not buying it.
Speaker 5: A lot of you guys, And I know who you
Speaker 5: are because I would never say it, because if you
Speaker 5: want to know who sleeps with trans people, the transpersion,
Speaker 5: I will tell you, like I got I got the
Speaker 5: skinny from a lot of girls over the years. But again,
Speaker 5: it's like, what are you guys doing? Just say it?
Speaker 1: It would be comfortable with who you are. What's the
Speaker 1: risk somebody's gonna.
Speaker 5: Go ew yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I don't like ingrained homophobia like what or.
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah sure, or the fear of what does it
Speaker 5: make me? I think that's a lot of it too,
Speaker 5: because guys are more comfortable being gay and around them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but if you come out like as a man, if
Speaker 5: I say I like somebody trans, what am I am?
Speaker 5: I gay? Am I straight? That's the problem is the confusing.
Speaker 1: And again brain has a desire to label everything.
Speaker 3: A man who likes a dick is anything but straight.
Speaker 5: No, you say that wrong. You can't be straight. I can't.
Speaker 5: I was like, you're not straight if you don't like cock,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 3: Just my second. If you like cock, then there's something else.
Speaker 2: I thought be so funny, like when men get really
Speaker 2: insecure about like anybody thinking they could be a little gay,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is more mainly than a guy
Speaker 2: with his dick out and another guy with his dick
Speaker 2: out going at it to me.
Speaker 1: That I love?
Speaker 5: Yes, they it's funny to it, but a lot of
Speaker 5: the problems, like they'll say like, oh, you're totally straight
Speaker 5: if you're somebody trans with a and it's like, but
Speaker 5: that's to me, it's not progressive. That's the nineteen fifties
Speaker 5: idea that being straight is the only good answer. Like
Speaker 5: we have to somehow segue this back to you being
Speaker 5: hetero because that's the right answer.
Speaker 4: But what if you're into trans girls and you hate
Speaker 4: the penis and you don't even like touching it, but
Speaker 4: you still would marry her. I mean, like one guy
Speaker 4: that's that's a subject artistic.
Speaker 1: He's still battling himself like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have that guy.
Speaker 1: On next week.
Speaker 3: Like asexual people.
Speaker 5: There's a difference though, if you meet somebody and you
Speaker 5: find out, oh, they're trans and whatever, but I don't
Speaker 5: care about the general It's different if you fall in
Speaker 5: love with the person first, yeah, and you don't even know.
Speaker 5: But maybe there's different levels. I'm not an expert, like,
Speaker 5: and I say it on stage like I don't know neither.
Speaker 5: I'm not a fucking expert.
Speaker 1: You're only an expert on your life and your experiences.
Speaker 5: It's and I don't try to teach lessons on stage.
Speaker 5: I talk about it. I don't try to tell people
Speaker 5: how to feel like I don't give a ship what
Speaker 5: they walk away with. Yeah, this is what my life is,
Speaker 5: and it is what it is.
Speaker 4: But Jim is a very honest man, and I'm very lucky.
Speaker 4: And all the people, my friends and my trans friends
Speaker 4: do tell me you're lucky. You're very lucky to have
Speaker 4: landed a man at all. I wish I had a man,
Speaker 4: they tell me.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's guys are a little weird about it.
Speaker 3: I think it's different to be married.
Speaker 4: I know there's some trans girls who are Yeah, I
Speaker 4: could never picture that in my life.
Speaker 1: Really, but you just never thought this was an option
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god?
Speaker 2: No, no, wow, So you guys are like living a
Speaker 2: little fairy tale basically literally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Nikki, what have you learned about yourself through marriage?
Speaker 3: I'm funny you never knew that before.
Speaker 5: No, no, really.
Speaker 3: Maybe a little. No, I've learned. I don't know. I've
Speaker 3: learned how to love.
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, come on, you're an old lady. She's
Speaker 5: an old lays a very old soul, Like it really
Speaker 5: is crazy soul.
Speaker 1: Excuse her the youngest they can get it.
Speaker 2: So, f.
Speaker 5: That's funny.
Speaker 1: What's she's she's like?
Speaker 2: They don't like anything old on a woman, except for
Speaker 2: a soul.
Speaker 5: I will say this, I like the key glazer, but
Speaker 5: I mean like she's like like like literally an old lady.
Speaker 5: Like the things that she likes, the reaction to things,
Speaker 5: it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: But I mean but like caramels original yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, a little candy in.
Speaker 3: The ladies they're about to die.
Speaker 4: They always enjoy the best things in line, the little cookies,
Speaker 4: the toast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's mazing. I love old old Norwegian women.
Speaker 5: But she really doesn't. Like it's not just expressed like
Speaker 5: she literally loves old people.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
Speaker 4: Instead of going to a hotspot restaurant, I would rather
Speaker 4: go to a nice, quiet, relaxing, dim house.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's one of those things where that's why we
Speaker 5: get along.
Speaker 3: Like I hate clubs, Sexton.
Speaker 5: Yes, sex you can do with somebody like who's who's
Speaker 5: who's hot and young? But you can't live a life
Speaker 5: just based on being hot and young.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You have to connect mentally on something or you're just
Speaker 5: you'll go crazy. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 3: Then I was misindependent way before I mention.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was your life? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What was your like life before? Jim?
Speaker 3: I did webcamm oh nice?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the day I turned nineteen, I did that and
Speaker 4: I go out and I started my life. Nice and yeah, nice, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's nice.
Speaker 2: What did you did anything surprise you about camming like that?
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I like this more than I thought
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: I don't like this. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Thought I was throwing I did great?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she people liked. I would watch. She told me
Speaker 5: immediately what she did. I didn't care.
Speaker 3: It's in Norwegian.
Speaker 4: I realized that I opened the international door by doing that.
Speaker 2: Oh right, right exactly, because you're your your audience is now.
Speaker 3: The world, the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were the world. Yeah, I would enjoy watching.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, she's sucking. I like being this comfortable,
Speaker 5: Like the fact that you were that comfortable in front of.
Speaker 3: People is now then I would be naked. Probably it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Naked is so like being sexual is just so vulnerable.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, if a strip always said this,
Speaker 2: like if a strip club had an amateur night where
Speaker 2: you could wear a mask, oh, doing a second, but
Speaker 2: like the face, I'm like, don't look at me, look
Speaker 2: at my pussy, don't look at my eyes.
Speaker 5: Do they have that? That's a great idea, by the way,
Speaker 5: amateur strip club where you can wear a mask and
Speaker 5: act it out without afraid of somebody grabbing a cell phone.
Speaker 1: Right, I feel exactly a lot of injuries at that club,
Speaker 1: the big eye holes. It's like when.
Speaker 2: People think they can do stand up and then get
Speaker 2: on stage, like, okay, this is a little harder than
Speaker 2: it looked initially.
Speaker 5: But I'm smart enough to know I could never do
Speaker 5: what she used to do, Like, I know my dick
Speaker 5: would be panicking. I would never be able to function.
Speaker 4: I was like eighteen now if I wouldn't be on
Speaker 4: only fans then, and that would probably be even.
Speaker 1: More Yeah, you'd make a killing.
Speaker 4: She would do well, yeah, because mine was a little
Speaker 4: old school. I feel the camming. The kids don't really
Speaker 4: calm anymore. I guess they do now it's more only fans, Yeah,
Speaker 4: only fans like six figures, yeah, monthly.
Speaker 5: People are five years ago to some people think that
Speaker 5: we're could they see videos now? There's more videos of
Speaker 5: Hardline than make for a long time. But she's been
Speaker 5: out of it for five years. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people see that Maison was doing webcam stuff.
Speaker 3: This is long time.
Speaker 5: I'm ye tired.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty six now.
Speaker 1: Honestly, even if you're still doing I'm like nice, probably
Speaker 1: rich as hell.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want that though. I wouldn't want to share
Speaker 5: that energy. That's why, Yeah, I don't want to share that,
Speaker 5: And I don't want to share her sexual energy with
Speaker 5: other people.
Speaker 2: And I feel I would feel that way too about me,
Speaker 2: Like if my partner was sexual publicly, I'd be like, yes,
Speaker 2: I need.
Speaker 4: A man who feels that way to warn me. I
Speaker 4: don't want a man who's do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't have that in my life.
Speaker 2: It's like when a guy is like not even a
Speaker 2: little bit jealous and you're like, come, I being like a.
Speaker 3: Little jealous, like protective.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm not obsessive with it. But I wouldn't
Speaker 5: want to do it. It's been years and I wouldn't
Speaker 5: want to doing it because it's like now you're my
Speaker 5: fucking my wife, Like and even before she was my wife,
Speaker 5: she was my girlfriend. I'm like, no, I'm not driving
Speaker 5: six outs, like you know what I mean? Like this
Speaker 5: is really right right?
Speaker 2: I also like, as a public person, I think we
Speaker 2: share so much with people already. I want to really
Speaker 2: important to have some things that are just yours. Yes,
Speaker 2: because we have less things that are just ours. I
Speaker 2: think about that a lot when you when you were
Speaker 2: carrying what was there like a common things that people
Speaker 2: would ask you for a lot as far as kink or.
Speaker 4: I think most people just wanted to see my deck.
Speaker 4: I don't know what tell you Like that's really kind.
Speaker 2: Of had the theory that like everybody's I think everybody's
Speaker 2: a little bit by, but like even like the straightest
Speaker 2: woman and you show her a picture of like Sidney
Speaker 2: Sweeney's titties and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, hell, yeah, the best titties I've ever seen. Like
Speaker 1: her titties make my day.
Speaker 2: Bet yeah, just like just want a motor boat or
Speaker 2: so bad. But I also have this theory that like everybody,
Speaker 2: regardless of your gender, regardless of your sexual orientation, is
Speaker 2: always attracted to like a beautiful woman with a dick,
Speaker 2: Like I honestly think that you couldn't honestly pull people
Speaker 2: like if you said no, you'd be lying.
Speaker 1: I have that theory.
Speaker 5: There are guys who like comics I know who have
Speaker 5: talked about it, and they always will do it, Like
Speaker 5: I can see a trans girl with a with a
Speaker 5: girl with a pussy like they like the dick in play.
Speaker 5: So the fact that they like it even a little
Speaker 5: in the thing means that they're open to it. Like
Speaker 5: the fact that it's in the it's in the somehow
Speaker 5: in the energy and the smoke for you means.
Speaker 3: Octopus porn.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that it's like tie and yes, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Inflatable furries. I've seen it all. What's the weirdest porn
Speaker 3: you've seen inflatable furries?
Speaker 1: Wow? And the guys it or they're they're just.
Speaker 3: Being blown up and there would be a naked furry.
Speaker 5: It's very weird.
Speaker 1: It is very weird in furry is a lot.
Speaker 3: But the fact that people is turned on by that.
Speaker 2: I watched a whole like vice documentary when I was
Speaker 2: like probably in high school about furries, and I've never
Speaker 2: stopped thinking about it's sexual, right, furries are always sexual? Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I mean it was like literally like you know,
Speaker 2: just like kind of like, oh, these are the same
Speaker 2: people I've seen at Disney World. Is there a hole
Speaker 2: down there and they're fucking after hours?
Speaker 1: Like fascinating? Also, like wouldn't it get so hot?
Speaker 5: I would get and it would smell too? Like I
Speaker 5: met the Philly fanatic years ago, interviewed Yeah, I interviewed
Speaker 5: the costumes. No it's a it's a giant.
Speaker 1: It's as Phillies baseball team.
Speaker 5: But he smelled terrible because those uniforms smell so furries
Speaker 5: probably stink when they take their Yeah, they at you.
Speaker 3: Guys like I think they don't.
Speaker 4: I think they're cute if they're like this, but sual crazes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, were you turned on by.
Speaker 2: But not like making fun of, like truly fascinating, genuinely fascinated.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what does it mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I guess that was like the precursor of Guys We Fought.
Speaker 2: I was just fascinated by it and like feederism because
Speaker 2: Vice used to be before they became like, you know,
Speaker 2: doing all the woke, nonsensical taking comedians down shit. Like
Speaker 2: they were really doing some very interesting work in the
Speaker 2: sex space.
Speaker 1: Yellue.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I did a show for them, probably twenty fourteen,
Speaker 5: and only did four episodes. Unfortunately, they were very difficult
Speaker 5: to deal with. When you saw on the way the Top,
Speaker 5: everything had to go through a couple of everything up
Speaker 5: bottle it. So I'm not surprised that eventually things came apart.
Speaker 5: It just seemed like there was only a few guys
Speaker 5: making decisions for a massive company. But they did do
Speaker 5: some great The thing about Joshua Bli, I think it
Speaker 5: was a General button naked who's now a preacher, was
Speaker 5: one of those, one of those. Yeah, he's a guy
Speaker 5: who would like murder. He would fight naked. He was
Speaker 5: like a warlord, very bad guy. America No, no, no, Africa,
Speaker 5: like I don't remember where. Maybe Nigeria. Think he's yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeh naked, crazy guy general butt naked and uh you
Speaker 5: look him in the wood.
Speaker 1: Yea think his name is General butt naked. But it's like, no,
Speaker 1: he'll fuck you, He'll kill you with his dick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people were terrified him. He's a scary guy, kill you.
Speaker 1: With his dick, with his dick out, yeah naked.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You mentioned your fifty five and I'm curious, like, how
Speaker 2: has your sexuality evolved throughout your life?
Speaker 1: And have you noticed that your.
Speaker 2: Dick's functionality is affected at all by your age?
Speaker 5: A little bit but not crazy because I love like,
Speaker 5: your pills are great.
Speaker 3: You have a great deck.
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 3: It works?
Speaker 5: Yeah, fabulous. Yeah, I've been lucky, like I'm not. I'm
Speaker 5: not insecure about my deck.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, but you said pills though a pill I've.
Speaker 5: Taken like I've taken my Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Because my hear doesn't make you horny or it just
Speaker 1: makes you physically.
Speaker 2: Harder, Yeah, physically like it's putting blood in your dick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I haven't taken them in a long long time because
Speaker 5: I would take them a lot of times. They're not
Speaker 5: even get laid, like just having taste, Like.
Speaker 3: You have a hard dick and awful session.
Speaker 5: But how has it changed?
Speaker 4: If they're with a hard deck and do nothing stupid,
Speaker 4: I would irritate me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it did well with this hard cock, but I've
Speaker 5: got mellowed over the years. Like as far as thinking
Speaker 5: I needed the variety of people, like a lot of
Speaker 5: it's just greed. It's compulsive over reading. It's it's donuts,
Speaker 5: it's cookies, it's cake.
Speaker 3: It's like it's consumption selfishness too well.
Speaker 2: A lot of prominent feedback that I've heard from men
Speaker 2: approaching their fifties or above fifties is that like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I could finally think about other things that
Speaker 2: I'm not just chasing pussy all day and.
Speaker 4: Then thinking about chasing the best man because they're ready
Speaker 4: to do something else in life, just trying to be
Speaker 4: this man of something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my boyfriend, he's forty, he's been about to be
Speaker 2: forty nine, and I think he was like a man's
Speaker 2: which I love a man slut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's singer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, well he sings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: But he's out.
Speaker 2: He got out of his sluttier phase when we started
Speaker 2: meeting and when we started like dating, dating, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is so convenient. Yeah, but I'm like, wow, a
Speaker 2: lot of my close male friends of like approaching fifty,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's they seem to be very relieved that
Speaker 2: they're just not thinking about conquering a woman all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you realize, like especially like I didn't get
Speaker 5: lated in high school, so you get greedy when you
Speaker 5: get older, and then you when you realize it's addictive
Speaker 5: and it's not like, yeah, it's more about the idea
Speaker 5: of it or the concept of it or the dopamine.
Speaker 5: It wasn't about the.
Speaker 3: Actual physical to not be with people.
Speaker 5: I think it was well, of course, but but I'm like,
Speaker 5: if I can't be turned on by Nikki, Like I'm
Speaker 5: so attracted to Nikki that I'm like, you have what
Speaker 5: you want here, so anything else is irrational. Like it's a.
Speaker 2: Reminding yourself that. Yeah, like searches are going to pop
Speaker 2: up all the time. You can't girl that, but like
Speaker 2: talking back to them as.
Speaker 4: Kids, or like you have a Hershey's. But then maybe
Speaker 4: you want I can't think of a.
Speaker 5: There's another truk white you want to racist pieces? A
Speaker 5: white mint? What is that?
Speaker 1: A white lint?
Speaker 5: White?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tules.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love this circle with the little soft stuff in
Speaker 1: the middle.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But after if I'm doing if I'm out doing
Speaker 5: anything else, it's about something else other than sex, because
Speaker 5: I'm very attracted to her, so it's not like there's
Speaker 5: nothing else I'm looking.
Speaker 1: For twenty six.
Speaker 2: So also I imagine too fifty five twenty six, like
Speaker 2: that energy, the youthful.
Speaker 1: I've never thought of dating a.
Speaker 2: Younger guy, and then Karen did it a while ago,
Speaker 2: and then she was telling me about it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: there is this beautiful energy of people in their twenties
Speaker 2: that it's like it's just nice to be around, to
Speaker 2: be honest, Like it's just really nice.
Speaker 1: So that's another like fun perfect I haven't been broken
Speaker 1: by the world. Yeah, fun with me now, Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I you're to have a vibrant that is.
Speaker 3: I would say it's twenty year old vibrant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just like because I'm feeling old now.
Speaker 3: I've been talking talks and jubiderm and one thing.
Speaker 1: Start, it's over the filler.
Speaker 4: Can't be young after a filler I have, So maybe
Speaker 4: I should talk my youth soon you're too.
Speaker 5: I won't play for I told her I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3: I don't care he used the credit card.
Speaker 2: But I think you're But also like, don't start because
Speaker 2: then you're gonna end up looking like not you later.
Speaker 3: But I just mean like a little preventive, like no.
Speaker 1: Can be preventative. I don't really.
Speaker 4: Before I got Queen Elizabeth before some of her speeches,
Speaker 4: does she looked like a boat soox face?
Speaker 5: Now? No, but we saw how it worked out for her.
Speaker 2: She dropped dead and it was because of the botox.
Speaker 3: I wish that's what will say.
Speaker 5: The age difference is a weird one, though, like it's people.
Speaker 5: Some people are like, wow, he dated when she was young? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I did, fuck you. I'm so sick of people like,
Speaker 5: what do you think you're gonna shame me for that?
Speaker 2: Do you think this man decades of comedy for nothing
Speaker 2: to not fuck the youngest possible.
Speaker 3: One I like some respect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I fell in love with that. I fell in
Speaker 5: love with like the last woman I dated who was
Speaker 5: quote unquote age appropriate.
Speaker 3: You know, let's not pretend that I was out of
Speaker 3: church neither, so.
Speaker 5: Helicoptering your dick. I mean it was great.
Speaker 2: Even men about this and talking to about I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I used to think that an older guy that went
Speaker 2: up like that was interested in a younger woman, like
Speaker 2: there was a grossness too, But now I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I totally get it.
Speaker 1: It's not just the youth, but it's like there is
Speaker 1: this beautiful.
Speaker 2: Rejuvenating vibe becoming omitting from all young people that's like
Speaker 2: just nice.
Speaker 5: And they're more attractive. Let's stop pretending I think I
Speaker 5: was like a twenty five year old guy. I'm a fucking.
Speaker 3: Idiot, okay, And they have new inspirations of.
Speaker 1: Being Yeah, you're not jaded yet, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: a very valuable I.
Speaker 3: Haven't seen the realities. Yeah, so they can still have.
Speaker 5: But the last one I did, who was who people
Speaker 5: would say age appropriate, was like in her, who's now
Speaker 5: in her, I'm fifty five, she probably forty eight now,
Speaker 5: but literally a couple months in the relationships, she's like,
Speaker 5: we're like, I want to get engaged because she wanted
Speaker 5: to have a baby. Oh yeah, And the bottom line is,
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm wasting your time. I don't want children.
Speaker 5: But any woman who was in my age group quote unquote,
Speaker 5: like in their late thirties early forties back then, wanted kids,
Speaker 5: Like I.
Speaker 3: Don't want nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a hot young wife, apartment comedian, yeah, grey,
Speaker 4: career trans.
Speaker 7: You just say no hair dress, Yeah, no, I love it.
Speaker 5: No pregnancy.
Speaker 1: How is it for you dating an older man? I
Speaker 1: love it being married to an older man.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it when he's away from his face.
Speaker 5: I do that. My eyes are getting shitty. I got
Speaker 5: my glasses. But she functions well with an older person. Yeah.
Speaker 5: We uh, we do pretty well because she's not a
Speaker 5: club person. Like we like the type, same type of things,
Speaker 5: Like I really do like the old lady restaurants and
Speaker 5: the quiet like and he loves that, Like, I can't
Speaker 5: be with someone who doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have any like before you actually got married,
Speaker 2: did you have any questions about or conversations about long
Speaker 2: term Like, Hey, I'm going to be really old.
Speaker 1: What do we do?
Speaker 5: You know, Olivia Soprano, You have no idea how many
Speaker 5: times she says to me the.
Speaker 1: Rest of the last half of my life by myself.
Speaker 5: You're gonna die before me all the time.
Speaker 4: I have a Serra family in America, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: who's going to get my jewelry bar? Right?
Speaker 1: What's how you make those friendships? Girls solidify them?
Speaker 2: But no, there is something like I'm dating a guy
Speaker 2: who's ordered the Maid. I'm like, probably, statistically you're going
Speaker 2: to die before me. And that's you know, just I
Speaker 2: say that, Just say that out loud so I can
Speaker 2: get comfortable with it. But then it's like and then
Speaker 2: you live, you know, the last couple of decades. Maybe
Speaker 2: you date somebody, maybe you don't, but like that's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's important for me to tell Jim because I
Speaker 4: have never had a job, so I don't really know
Speaker 4: how to work anything.
Speaker 3: I don't have really a bank account.
Speaker 5: You do a bank account.
Speaker 1: You were making money? That was a job as like
Speaker 1: cam is like a very lucrative job.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but I've never handled anything in my life.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, So are you, So are you handling
Speaker 2: things in your life now to kind of prepare it?
Speaker 1: Because Jim, I mean.
Speaker 2: You know, around seventy years okay, I clean, I mean
Speaker 2: a long ways laundry every day.
Speaker 3: I'll do anything he'll ask me.
Speaker 5: But it's one of those things. Right, we got our
Speaker 5: bank account. I'm like, you have to learn how to
Speaker 5: handle finances because I will be dead before you, So
Speaker 5: I want her to be at least set off.
Speaker 2: A couple of Instagram there's this one woman called her
Speaker 2: First one hundred K who like gives financial advice to
Speaker 2: women mainly, but like the way she talks about it.
Speaker 1: It makes you get so excited to invest.
Speaker 2: And she tells you all of the bullshit scams it's enough,
Speaker 2: all for it.
Speaker 1: And missus dow Jones too, those are two great accounts.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I think I'm like numbered dyslexic. I don't
Speaker 3: know what the word is.
Speaker 1: He has an accountant, I do, You're not number.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna die before him again, the.
Speaker 2: Accountants bars, there'll be someone else at the accounting firm.
Speaker 5: Actually there's one person left in each field, one accountant.
Speaker 4: And if I get a new accountant, then they're rude
Speaker 4: and steal everything when you're dead.
Speaker 1: But someone who knows Barry, that's.
Speaker 5: A real thought though, Like this is what I deal with.
Speaker 5: But what if they they won't you don't sign up
Speaker 5: a powerful turney. Well again, I try to help her
Speaker 5: with this stuff. So she's ready, I'll be lady off
Speaker 5: the house.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, But like I died for a
Speaker 1: while and fifty five.
Speaker 2: Long ways ago, you person, but also too like for you, Nikki,
Speaker 2: like just existing in a relationship. You want to feel
Speaker 2: like you have this independence, should you know, just for you.
Speaker 4: I have no family in America. I think that's a
Speaker 4: big part of it. I know anyone that's scary. No
Speaker 4: one here, Jim. Jim is my only person and guardian
Speaker 4: in my life.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we all got to hang out more.
Speaker 2: You got we're going to get your good friends circle
Speaker 2: and go like close friendships are like the zest of life.
Speaker 4: But now I've been doing so many things with him
Speaker 4: that I almost don't have time. I've been going to
Speaker 4: we're going to go to Austin.
Speaker 1: When he goes to all those road gigs that you're
Speaker 1: not going to be on. Yeah hang out yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. The first comedian who's not sober.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we want, but I want to get friends.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want you to just have me,
Speaker 5: because again, I don't I have friends, So I want
Speaker 5: you to have people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think one thing like societally that we've noticed, at
Speaker 2: least in America is like, you know, for the longest time,
Speaker 2: we thought it was okay to rely on your romantic
Speaker 2: partner for every need you have, and it's like, when
Speaker 2: you think about it, that's too much pressure for both
Speaker 2: of you, guys.
Speaker 1: And also you don't want to put all your eggs
Speaker 1: in one basket.
Speaker 4: Well, Europeans will probably hate me for saying this, but
Speaker 4: I feel like Americans are so nice. They're the best.
Speaker 4: They're my favorite kind of people. They're just so nice
Speaker 4: to me. Everyone's been so nice.
Speaker 1: We're transparent.
Speaker 2: I think that's what you're about Other places, you know,
Speaker 2: you know people are gonna be nicer.
Speaker 1: Just that is true. Well, I'm just thirty three. Come
Speaker 1: back and tell me, well, I.
Speaker 4: Just feel like it's been really really nice, better than
Speaker 4: I thought.
Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, people have been better than I thought too.
Speaker 1: Like you else, like, did you have any friends? Say
Speaker 1: some dumb shit.
Speaker 5: A couple here and there, but nothing crazy. But I
Speaker 5: can sniff it out. Like there's certain people I look at.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what do you think I'm at my age?
Speaker 5: I don't know how you feel, dummy, Yeah, of course
Speaker 5: I do. What do you think I've maybe I've been
Speaker 5: a living doing this for thirty two years, and you
Speaker 5: think I don't sniff it out when you're a little
Speaker 5: shitty about it. Of course I do.
Speaker 2: This is but this is also like anyone who's known
Speaker 2: you for I don't know, five minutes.
Speaker 1: This is not like no one who could be shocked.
Speaker 5: Like the idea that I will occasionally accomplis. Fans are
Speaker 5: like I didn't know he was gay. It's like, first
Speaker 5: of all, where have you been since two thousand and three?
Speaker 5: I've been talking about this publicly for over twenty years? Right,
Speaker 5: you haven't heard it? Then you haven't been listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of what it's part of your emotional
Speaker 2: intelligence is how open you are with it and how
Speaker 2: and you're written pieces.
Speaker 1: On it, Like I mean like, yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: you've been doing some ground breaking work in this fields.
Speaker 5: Who he was?
Speaker 3: Because you talked about something trans interview.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, did you know, like,
Speaker 1: how did.
Speaker 4: You know that he was a comedian? I just thought
Speaker 4: he was some Guyson of something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a guy, a guy who had some trans expertise.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I'm so dumb. I didn't even know what
Speaker 4: comedy was. I didn't understand that that was like a
Speaker 4: thing like music.
Speaker 5: Who's this little, fat headed, blinking man who likes wait.
Speaker 1: Do you not have stand up comedy? Like stand up
Speaker 1: comedians in.
Speaker 3: Norway even know comedy? Was literally laughing such a blonde.
Speaker 5: No, she's there very again, they're very literal. The first
Speaker 5: time she came to one of my shows, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: It's just twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Sure standing with material.
Speaker 5: I didn't this guy I was talking to, he's a
Speaker 5: comicy he goes that blonde it was with you didn't
Speaker 5: laugh once. I'm like, yeah, it's just from Norway. I
Speaker 5: got it.
Speaker 1: That's really funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you just get used to it.
Speaker 5: The uh, the stair. But she laughs at weird things
Speaker 5: like it's a different it's a different button.
Speaker 3: I know it's material.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm watching something on replay, just knowing
Speaker 4: that it's material.
Speaker 2: You like off the coff what you're saying about Russians
Speaker 2: have a very weird sense of humour, But I find
Speaker 2: Russian sense of humor so fucking funny. There's this Instagram
Speaker 2: account called like look at that Russian and it's just Russian.
Speaker 1: People doing ship Then you're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But that's they have a very similar mentality, I think
Speaker 5: to Norwegian's in the way they approach being funny. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're right next door to each other. But that's that's
Speaker 5: the mentality Northern that's still Russian.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's great.
Speaker 2: So do you have any Like I was gonna say
Speaker 2: that you have any future plans, but.
Speaker 1: Really just live your life. I have a future plan, oh,
Speaker 1: singular to get a dog.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was like, oh, do you have
Speaker 1: any pets?
Speaker 3: I really want dogs?
Speaker 2: Make friends on the dog with other dog owners, Like,
Speaker 2: it's a really social thing that I do.
Speaker 5: I love the idea of a small dog. However, what
Speaker 5: I don't like is knowing that my wife Elvira from Scarface,
Speaker 5: who would who would not be walking it the fucking shades,
Speaker 5: aren't you. I'm gonna get struck walking this little ship machine.
Speaker 5: That's what I don't want.
Speaker 4: I don't walk the dog. And I'm ready for a dog.
Speaker 4: That's what I need in my life.
Speaker 1: Okay, but wait, this is crapy. But know for Instagram
Speaker 1: you have a balcony.
Speaker 5: Right, I do have a terrorists and we could exactly.
Speaker 2: So if you get a really small dog, you can
Speaker 2: train it to do the balcony peeing. And I also
Speaker 2: learned like walking is not so much about exercise for dogs,
Speaker 2: especially like the little dogs. It's more like the sense
Speaker 2: that is mentally stimulating them.
Speaker 1: Yes, so a really little dog, you.
Speaker 2: Can kind of just treat it as like a purse,
Speaker 2: you know, a person animal. I really want to so
Speaker 2: I think this, I think this is going to work out.
Speaker 2: I'm very but please adopt it. Don't buy it from
Speaker 2: like a rescue.
Speaker 5: No puppy bill, There's there's going.
Speaker 3: To be no cruelty in the picture.
Speaker 4: But I've had so much baggage in my life that
Speaker 4: I don't think I can have another piece of baggage
Speaker 4: in my home.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, just a.
Speaker 2: Damaged dog emotionally, get a puppy.
Speaker 1: Rescue a puppy from a rescue. Yeah, you can get puppy.
Speaker 3: Puppies will be scared from before.
Speaker 1: Because they haven't like get one. Like there's the ones
Speaker 1: that like fresh.
Speaker 2: They will literally have the mom dog will have the
Speaker 2: litter while she's already in the care of someone who's
Speaker 2: not abusive.
Speaker 1: They usually announce it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so it's not you're not getting a dog
Speaker 5: that has weird habits that you don't know, like the
Speaker 5: guard watch totally, the one I hypoallergenic. Like the little
Speaker 5: cavapoos are very cute. I would is that old?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's so many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like and then yeah, yeah, oh yeah, my dog.
Speaker 2: I have a mini miniature Wiener dog. Harsonoun adopted a
Speaker 2: high broad allergenic dog, Rufe is very cute.
Speaker 1: You'll like, I.
Speaker 5: Need a I need a little I wouldn't mind it
Speaker 5: for that reason. I think it'd be kind of cute.
Speaker 5: But I know she'll let it on the bed, which
Speaker 5: I don't want fucking thing. I'll be tinkling around with
Speaker 5: the bell. I know it'll drive me because, oh, put
Speaker 5: your kiss posters on the wall. I know when I
Speaker 5: lay them out to flatten them when I can all rolled.
Speaker 5: Sometimes we're in the living room.
Speaker 3: I mean there's all the time. Every day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a few kiss posters and uh, but I
Speaker 5: know some dogs and will walk over and be like,
Speaker 5: I'm just very panicky about the dog, but I would
Speaker 5: get one for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, yeah, we'll.
Speaker 5: Do it, but I want to make sure you'll take
Speaker 5: care of it. And what about when we.
Speaker 1: Fly, Well you get a yeah, hot tip.
Speaker 2: It's easy to get a service license and then have
Speaker 2: the dog trained for service. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've have if either of you had any anxiety
Speaker 2: disorders or anything like that.
Speaker 5: You like, yeah, aren't they not letting that anymore?
Speaker 1: That's emotional support. Emotional support they.
Speaker 3: Are going for. Can I appear or are we going
Speaker 3: for a few more minutes?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Just actually we got the wrap sign so yeah. Uh
Speaker 2: but yeah, you can get a service license, you know,
Speaker 2: and do the training.
Speaker 5: Like a legit one that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, because I have I have a service.
Speaker 2: License for my dog, so you can bring that train
Speaker 2: and touch point therapy your dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't with a small dog anyways, put you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: But but my dog isn't a service and he just
Speaker 2: goes in a carrier under the front.
Speaker 1: Seeah No, no, putting it with the luggage is even
Speaker 1: be it should not be.
Speaker 2: Also, if you actually look up the stats, so many
Speaker 2: dogs are are dying and they don't and they don't
Speaker 2: they won't report them like very publicly, but it's completely And.
Speaker 5: Why are they dying? Is that the freezing.
Speaker 1: Underneath it's not meant for a living thing down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean but unfortunately for some dogs, it's
Speaker 2: the only way they can try.
Speaker 5: Big dogs like.
Speaker 2: Justin who is a dog trained or he has a
Speaker 2: giant pipple, nam Brutus, who is just amazing. He'll buy
Speaker 2: a plane ticket for the dog.
Speaker 5: Sat but can you do that with a pit bull.
Speaker 5: You can bring it on if you buy the seat.
Speaker 1: But it still has to be okay to travel. And yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he has. Honestly, you got her in the country
Speaker 1: after all that headache, this.
Speaker 2: Dog, sh it's gonna be went a dog in two
Speaker 2: weeks deadline, Love it, Love it.
Speaker 1: Writing his Wife's Life, Jim, you gotta you.
Speaker 5: Know, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: It is dog dog. I'm gonna show off on Instagram
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the phrase, Jim, happy wife,
Speaker 2: happy life. It's true, it really is true, but at
Speaker 2: the behest of your own happiness or like you know,
Speaker 2: because I always heard that phrase, and I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1: But then the husband is the husband had.
Speaker 4: To tell him that I've left my family and my country.
Speaker 4: I want to have fun every day.
Speaker 2: Wow yeah day and be like old ladies stuff.
Speaker 4: So it's yeah, but I've heard that I left every
Speaker 4: day it's a blessing and I'm going to live life
Speaker 4: as such.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have depressing days.
Speaker 5: Happy wife, happy life is true because it usually is
Speaker 5: like there's nothing that's going to sacrifice my happiness for her. Like,
Speaker 5: occasionally there's things that cross over that I don't want
Speaker 5: that she does.
Speaker 3: We argue. We always say sorry, even if it's after
Speaker 3: an hour.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of times she'll just go just apologize.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't feel sorry at all, but she
Speaker 5: goes just say you're sorry. I'm all right, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: and I do feel better. Like it does. It does
Speaker 5: take some of the scheme out of it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I want her to be happy. I don't like when
Speaker 5: she's said I feel terrible, So yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 5: love her. I'm very happy when she's happy. And we're
Speaker 5: doing our YouTube channel and it's fun, like it's legit fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to watch.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: I think she's really funny and like way she is.
Speaker 5: Anyone who thinks she stepped in to do this, it
Speaker 5: was my fucking idea.
Speaker 4: I didn't even want the YouTube show. I told Jim,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, can we not know you?
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, no, it's it all happened because you
Speaker 2: were like excited about it, and I kind of assumed
Speaker 2: exactly what it was like.
Speaker 3: You were like funny, been public.
Speaker 4: Now the more comfortable I've gone to this is so
Speaker 4: much more different than when I did before.
Speaker 1: You know, right, you're here.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Would you guys like to promote and plug.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is. Thank you for saying that. I already knew.
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Speaker 5: but the YouTube. But by the time this Arizon, when
Speaker 5: does this come out?
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'll be back from Texas.
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Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 5: So did you buy the buttons individually?
Speaker 1: Makers? But I love that you believe that we could
Speaker 1: be Thank you. That was very complimentary, truly good husband. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.
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