Speaker 1: This is let's be clear with Shannon Drny, when did
Speaker 1: you start termed what year, uh, nineteen ninety eight or something?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, so Jason like ship from ninety
Speaker 2: eight to even two thousand and one, which is when
Speaker 2: Shannon kind of comes back into our life. When we
Speaker 2: did Jane Soladbob Strike, then that's how bad a bomb
Speaker 2: Malrats was. She scattered for six fucking years. It wasn't
Speaker 2: until the dust settled six years later. I was a
Speaker 2: bona fide thing at this point. I had like chasing
Speaker 2: Amy dog Ben. Here we were making Jane Soundbob Strike
Speaker 2: back with Miramax, and She's like, I'll come back, and
Speaker 2: we did it. See what responsible for all your fucking
Speaker 2: feature film work? Is it? Mal Rats and Jane Solob?
Speaker 1: I mean, Heathers are you?
Speaker 2: That's right now? And then, oh my god, I got
Speaker 2: so arrogant for a second of all your movies.
Speaker 1: And now the movies I do is with the it's
Speaker 1: you know, I have a friend named James who hires
Speaker 1: me on a ton of stuff. So like thank goodness,
Speaker 1: like Fortress, which was with Bruce Willis.
Speaker 2: How was that you worked with Bruce?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean lovely I.
Speaker 2: Actually saw an interview we said something really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we just we did one a year
Speaker 1: and a half or two years ago with Mon Gibson.
Speaker 1: He did a movie with Jean Claude ven Dam recently
Speaker 1: that I that I had like one scene in just
Speaker 1: He's like, can you do this one scene. I'm like, sure,
Speaker 1: I'll come in and do it.
Speaker 2: So two thousand and one, Shannon comes out and we
Speaker 2: do Jane Sambab Stragbag and it's a very funny scene.
Speaker 2: Her in Wes Craven. Yes. A couple of years after that,
Speaker 2: we tried to get Shannon. We tried to get you
Speaker 2: in Reboot, but we were shooting in New Orleans and
Speaker 2: she would have played cock knocker. She would have been like,
Speaker 2: right now in that movie, somebody a fist punches through
Speaker 2: the wall, and it would have been Shannon. Because but
Speaker 2: if there was ever a cock knocker, fuck a ballbuster,
Speaker 2: if you will. But we did this thing the Fox Shortcoms.
Speaker 2: But the idea was again it was supposed to be
Speaker 2: a competitive show where you shoot these like little sitcoms
Speaker 2: that were like five to seven minutes long, and then
Speaker 2: it would compete over the course of the life of
Speaker 2: the show until one remained, and that was going to
Speaker 2: become like grow Up to be an actual Fox sitcom
Speaker 2: or something. It was a good idea. They shot a
Speaker 2: pilot and then they didn't go forward with it. But
Speaker 2: that was me, you Ralph, Ralph, Justin, Justin, and it
Speaker 2: was with Andy mckelfrish my buddy, and I was in it.
Speaker 2: I got to act, got to act with Shannon.
Speaker 1: Well we because on Marats we didn't.
Speaker 2: Really we have one scene where you like tell us
Speaker 2: to right before before Ethan's like Brenda, Yes we acted
Speaker 2: together in that. Yes, we didn't really act together in Malratz,
Speaker 2: but we actually did dialogue together.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was like a really guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: It's weird like the older you get, like the more
Speaker 2: you realize like, oh shit, I'm lucky anything went anywhere right,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you're like, fuck, man, why didn't that?
Speaker 2: And it's like it's not so much why didn't that work?
Speaker 2: As much as why did everything work? Ever, Like it's
Speaker 2: not because it's not talent necessarily, Like everybody who wants
Speaker 2: to be in this business to some degree has talent. Shit,
Speaker 2: a lot of it is like Tim Luck and timing.
Speaker 2: It's just being in the right place at the right
Speaker 2: right time.
Speaker 1: Why do you why do you think mal Rats is
Speaker 1: such a huge sort of iconic now movie. I think
Speaker 1: it's but it wasn't then.
Speaker 2: Because it wasn't tied into anyone's childhood at that point, right,
Speaker 2: like it was a brand new movie and stuff. So
Speaker 2: the same way, like I believe I put it on
Speaker 2: the same level as fucking Gone with the Wind, but
Speaker 2: or or Wizard well less com with the Wind. I'm
Speaker 2: put it on the same level with Wizzard of Oz.
Speaker 2: Oz comes out and it's not the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2: It takes a few years for it's become holy shit,
Speaker 2: what an amazing magical movie and the gold standard and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So it comes out and it's just a movie, you know,
Speaker 2: and to a lot of critics a dumb movie, like
Speaker 2: the guy who made Clerks made this, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Over time, the movie is improved by people's association with
Speaker 2: the era of their life in which they watched movie.
Speaker 2: So it becomes a conduit to a happier time, to
Speaker 2: a better time, to a more innocent time. You know.
Speaker 2: As a species, we tend a lot of we tend
Speaker 2: to look back a lot, which is dangerous because you know,
Speaker 2: in the past that's where depression lies, and the future
Speaker 2: is where anxiety lies. In the presence where you have
Speaker 2: to be to be mindful, you got to stay in
Speaker 2: the present. Doesn't mean you can't reminisce, just can't get
Speaker 2: lost in it and stuff. And I think that movie
Speaker 2: is a nice way to reminisce without getting lost in
Speaker 2: the past. It's like when you hear a song or
Speaker 2: smells something cooking that takes you to a very particular
Speaker 2: moment in your life and your childhood and stuff. It's
Speaker 2: evocative for people. So aside from just being like, oh,
Speaker 2: like watching James Aundblov run around or fucking Brody's funny
Speaker 2: or whatever. Fuck, it's like it's like a Eliabeth Olson.
Speaker 2: I watched this with my brother like one summer. This
Speaker 2: is all we fucking did. So now it's built into
Speaker 2: the DNA. We had the benefit of being like not,
Speaker 2: you know, definitely not one of the first movies on
Speaker 2: home video. Home video been around for a while, but
Speaker 2: it was a movie that like didn't benefit from playing
Speaker 2: on Netflix and didn't benefit from playing on HBO repeatedly.
Speaker 2: It was a pass around, so you know, it depicted
Speaker 2: a world that and this is so funny, we're talking
Speaker 2: so high faluting about Malrats, but you get to do
Speaker 2: that because we survived, and so the movie with age,
Speaker 2: but it captured a world that hadn't been captured yet.
Speaker 2: And ironically that world is now overly captured. Like brody
Speaker 2: loving stan Lee in comic books, he's about ten fifteen
Speaker 2: years ahead of the culture, right, Like Malrats aged insanely well,
Speaker 2: because for whatever reason, Thank the Lord, the culture shifted
Speaker 2: toward all the things that Malrats was centered around. And
Speaker 2: so just even that love like of Marvel. And you know,
Speaker 2: the script originally was DC and Marvel equal, because I
Speaker 2: was definitely more of a DC guy, but DC didn't
Speaker 2: want to give us anything. Marvel was like, take anything
Speaker 2: you want, and so it became more Marvel centric, and
Speaker 2: having Stan in it made it even more so. And
Speaker 2: then years later, Marvel becomes so dominant in the culture,
Speaker 2: and stan cameos in movies that make a billion dollars
Speaker 2: become the gold standard. And every year when he was
Speaker 2: alive that they wrote about him doing a cameo, they're like,
Speaker 2: of course, his first cameo was in mal Rats and stuff,
Speaker 2: and so Stan goes on and does like, you know,
Speaker 2: I get to introduce Stan to a generation of kids
Speaker 2: maybe weren't that familiar with them with Malrats. Years later,
Speaker 2: he returns the favor in Captain Marvel when he's sitting
Speaker 2: on a train and reading Malrat script. So you know,
Speaker 2: things like that helped booy it over the years, and
Speaker 2: it just like got better, Like you know, in people's memory,
Speaker 2: the movie didn't improve. It is what it always was.
Speaker 2: But it's also simple. There's nothing complex about it. It's got
Speaker 2: enough laughs, enough naughty laughs and shit that it tracks
Speaker 2: in this modern day and age where it could make
Speaker 2: a modern person laugh as opposed to like release jokes
Speaker 2: or fucking tame or something like that. But I think
Speaker 2: it has more to do with everyone going like, oh
Speaker 2: I saw this when I was ex y or Z
Speaker 2: now I love when I'm in a con just like
Speaker 2: you and fucking like somebody comes up to you and
Speaker 2: they're fourteen, like I love mal Rats and you're like yes,
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna live just a little bit longer because
Speaker 2: of that shit this. Yeah, he's gonna live a little
Speaker 2: bit longer.
Speaker 1: And it is finding a new younger audience, Like it
Speaker 1: just cheaps regurgitating itself really where people like their parents
Speaker 1: have now put them in front of it and had
Speaker 1: them watch it. So it's it's spanning generations.
Speaker 2: And that honestly like that, like I said before, like
Speaker 2: you saying yes being in the movie is what got
Speaker 2: the movie made, but like you being in it also
Speaker 2: makes it like just one of the most nineties things
Speaker 2: ever me you Malrats, Jason Lee skateboarder, you know, moving
Speaker 2: out of a skateboarding career, Like it's just so evocative
Speaker 2: of that era without being aged, you don't watch it
Speaker 2: necessarily go like everything looks fucking old. All that fashion
Speaker 2: came back and people wear that shit. Yeah, as long
Speaker 2: as comic book culture is, you know, still part of
Speaker 2: the conversation, Malrats continues to age, Yeah, very well, but
Speaker 2: you being in it legitimizes it as well. Man, Like
Speaker 2: it's again I'm blowing smoke. But fuck dude, like you've
Speaker 2: had such an iconic career and Malrats is a big
Speaker 2: part of my mythology, and it seems like it's a big,
Speaker 2: pretty decent part of your mythology inasmuch as we both
Speaker 2: had the relationship with it where it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: fuck it it ruined me. And now it's a thing
Speaker 2: that who is you?
Speaker 1: Yes, so I know that I asked you this, And
Speaker 1: it's what everybody is going to want to know is
Speaker 1: what do we have to do to get Marats two
Speaker 1: and done? Where are we at?
Speaker 2: Here's the story of Marats two. And now there's been
Speaker 2: I think two versions of the Marats two script. You
Speaker 2: probably read both current versions called Twilight of the Marats.
Speaker 2: I love it a lot. It's really quite special every
Speaker 2: time I approach Universal because Universal owns the rights tomorrow Ats.
Speaker 2: As previously mentioned, they're the last person standing in that
Speaker 2: Grammarcy equation that I think they got all the grammar
Speaker 2: sy properties and stuff. So if you want to make
Speaker 2: a Marats movie, you got to make it with Universal.
Speaker 2: And years ago when I wrote Maratz sequel the first
Speaker 2: time around my agent, that agent was like, I said, hey, ma,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write a Maratz sequel, Like can I just
Speaker 2: kind of do that? And he's like, yeah, there's three
Speaker 2: ways by which you can make a Marts movie. One,
Speaker 2: Universe wants to do it and they make it. Two
Speaker 2: so I was like, oh, get a copro and we'll
Speaker 2: do it. And three they just give it back to
Speaker 2: you and you just go make it. I was like, seriously,
Speaker 2: they'll give it to me and I can make them
Speaker 2: all Ron's equol if they don't want it, because that's
Speaker 2: what I prefer making up with a studio. I just
Speaker 2: go make my own version. And he was like yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was great, and so I set out and
Speaker 2: wrote it and that's where everybody remember I in my
Speaker 2: Instagram thread, everybody putting up two fingers and ship. And
Speaker 2: then I finished it and my agent was like, all right,
Speaker 2: so you guys submit it to Universal. I was like
Speaker 2: why and he's like, well, they have to read it.
Speaker 2: I was like, they're not gonna make it and I
Speaker 2: just didn't make it a Maronce movie and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they have to make sure there's no anti universal
Speaker 2: sentiment or something like that. It's like all right, So
Speaker 2: I sent the script and I waited, and a week
Speaker 2: later I was like, what they say? Can I go?
Speaker 2: And he goes, uh no. I said why, there's nothing
Speaker 2: in that script that's offensive to them, and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I said, there were three pass by which
Speaker 2: the movie gets made. But it turns out the historically
Speaker 2: and the entire fucking history of Universal as a studio,
Speaker 2: going back to the Limley's or whatever the fuck. They
Speaker 2: have never let go of a property that they own.
Speaker 2: They just do that. They would never let go of
Speaker 2: a library title, even if they don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: about it. It's just against policy. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so there's two ways by which this movie gets made,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, Universe is gonna make kind of
Speaker 2: want to do it, or you co pro it. And
Speaker 2: then it turned out that they wouldn't copro either. So
Speaker 2: there was literally one way by which the movie got made,
Speaker 2: which is Universal go like, oh, well they don't care.
Speaker 2: Here I'll tell you, here's a great mallright story that
Speaker 2: tells you why they don't give a shit. Like when
Speaker 2: I brought in the script, I was like, I'm writing, man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonnake a mall rte sequel, and shit, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. And we got an audience for it. Everybody
Speaker 2: loves it. Shit, and they read it and they were like, well,
Speaker 2: this is neither fast nor furious, Like how do we
Speaker 2: how do we make this? Why would we make this movie?
Speaker 2: It's not a just puzzlement because it wasn't a movie
Speaker 2: that was a hit for him. We don't have an
Speaker 2: American by billboard outside of Universal Studios, Theme Park and
Speaker 2: shit like that. We were a cult hit and one
Speaker 2: that I don't particularly care that much about. So during
Speaker 2: Jaye's Bob reboot and Clerks three, I got in bed
Speaker 2: with good folks at Lionsgate. And so for a minute there,
Speaker 2: Lionsgate was working with Universal because they're like, oh, we
Speaker 2: work with them on co productions and I'm like what,
Speaker 2: So they were trying to make some headway or we're
Speaker 2: making headway. But then the person who was our Lionsgate
Speaker 2: person left, So I right now, I have no idea
Speaker 2: where it stands. I know Universal really doesn't give a shit, like,
Speaker 2: but that could be me just thinking Universal doesn't give
Speaker 2: a shit. Maybe they're like ooh, And also since I
Speaker 2: went in there, thinks you know, there's peacock. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: a fucking path to do it via them or whatever exactly.
Speaker 2: But you know where our best chances are of like
Speaker 2: we do a scene from the script and people could
Speaker 2: hear what it sounds like and fucking lobby the public
Speaker 2: to like lobby them to be like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Fucking did you have a scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a long way of fucking getting right to
Speaker 2: the point. Yes, all right, So this is a scene
Speaker 2: from Twilight of the Marrats. So let me set it
Speaker 2: up for you. In this version of the movie, we
Speaker 2: find we are we are in the scene. Particularly, we
Speaker 2: are duplicating the scene that kicked off Mall Rats. So
Speaker 2: in Malrats, you remember the first time you've seen Renee.
Speaker 2: She's kneeling on the bend. She's knocking on Brodie's head
Speaker 2: and wakes him up, and he's like Jesus Christ would
Speaker 2: knock it off. And they have a whole conversation in
Speaker 2: the bedroom and ship, and it ends with her giving
Speaker 2: that beautiful monologue about fucking being an air traffic controller
Speaker 2: and ship, which I've met so many air traffic controllers
Speaker 2: in my life who were like, thank you, thank you
Speaker 2: for that moment alone and ship. So in in Twilight
Speaker 2: of the Mall Rats, our eciting incident happens before the movie,
Speaker 2: before we get to this part. This is where we're
Speaker 2: meeting Brody and Renee for the first time. Years later,
Speaker 2: Brody and Renee have a kid, Brody Bruce's kid. As
Speaker 2: we referenced in If You Saw Jane Sad Bob reboot.
Speaker 2: There's some cut scenes where we at the end during
Speaker 2: the credits where Brody Bruce talked about his daughter Banner.
Speaker 2: Bruce so like the reverse of Bruce Banner, Brody being
Speaker 2: a big comic book nerd and shit like that. So
Speaker 2: Banner is the daughter of Renee and Brody, and she
Speaker 2: is insanely unimpressed by her father, who lives in the
Speaker 2: glory moment of what happened in Malraitz. It is the
Speaker 2: biggest thing that ever happened to him. Then he went
Speaker 2: on to host the Tonight Show with Renee as his
Speaker 2: band leader, and then after that nothing. Then it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, fucking fell off the pop cultural cliff and stuff.
Speaker 2: But Brody relives that. Brody lives in that era. Brody
Speaker 2: is holding on steadfast to the nineties. I swear the
Speaker 2: character is not based on me. He's steadfastly holding on
Speaker 2: to then. And he's so much so that he is
Speaker 2: in He's moved his compic store into the mall. The
Speaker 2: mall has been dying. It is at less than fifty
Speaker 2: percent capacity and shit, and that figures prominently in the
Speaker 2: plot of the movie the mall itself. So Brody and
Speaker 2: Renee are split. They're going through a split. She threw
Speaker 2: him out of the house because Brody took their life
Speaker 2: savings to invest in a compic store in a dying
Speaker 2: fucking mall. You'll find out in this scene. So they're
Speaker 2: split when this begins. And of course they were split
Speaker 2: when Mall Rats began. So I wonder if in the
Speaker 2: third act been getting back together. Fucking Universal, let's find
Speaker 2: out together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Universal, So here we.
Speaker 2: Are in this scene. This is what we've our opening
Speaker 2: scene deals with Banner and fucking what puts her in
Speaker 2: trouble and stuff and what incites the whole movie. So
Speaker 2: this is where we get to meet Brody and Renee,
Speaker 2: and it is to get it into your head what
Speaker 2: it looks like. Just imagine their first scene in mal Rats,
Speaker 2: but now they look like what they look like now,
Speaker 2: they're just fucking grown up up stage the same way.
Speaker 2: The delivery is the same fucking way, And it's just
Speaker 2: meant to show you that life doesn't fucking change, actually
Speaker 2: not at all. So here we go. Man, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: read from the script. I'll read the expository shit, and
Speaker 2: then I'll read the Brody part interior, Brody's Room Day
Speaker 2: match to a close up from the previous shot would
Speaker 2: be a banner to a current day Brody Bruce asleep
Speaker 2: sitting up. A woman's hand enters the frame and knocks
Speaker 2: on his head reveal current day Renee Bruce because I
Speaker 2: got married, dressed and kneeling on the bed beside Brody
Speaker 2: knocking on his head. Brody wakes pissed in a room
Speaker 2: that looks almost exactly like his bedroom in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: So Brody's trying to keep shit the same those of
Speaker 2: us who have ever succeeded in life try to replicate
Speaker 2: that moment over and over, and that's Brody's late motif.
Speaker 2: So Brody begins he's getting knocked on the head, just
Speaker 2: like in Malred. He goes, sweet fucking Christ, would you
Speaker 2: knock it off? And they close his eyes. He reopens
Speaker 2: and he goes, wait, what are you doing here? We're
Speaker 2: not married anymore?
Speaker 1: Thank God for that. Your daughter's outside.
Speaker 2: Renee gets off the bed and looks at all the
Speaker 2: posters on the walls. Now kids sidebar Renee the actor.
Speaker 2: Shannon the actor made a choice for Renee. In the script,
Speaker 2: it says, Hallelujah. As previously mentioned, she was like ok,
Speaker 2: I have a hard time with that word. Instead, she
Speaker 2: made a choice. What did you choose?
Speaker 1: Thank god?
Speaker 2: Now, when we were in Ma Rats nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 2: I would have been like, well, do what's in the script,
Speaker 2: because I was very dictatory about the script. But now
Speaker 2: modern day keV knows how to go with the flow.
Speaker 2: I like your time like you know. Also we do
Speaker 2: both takes, but I like the change that you may.
Speaker 2: I like. I liked your choice, man, so I.
Speaker 1: Mean I like the hallolulas.
Speaker 2: You think she didn't go for it.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem is, like any once I find a
Speaker 1: word that that I trip on, yes, I will never
Speaker 1: be able to say forever and ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, kids, acting comes down to choices. Shannon made
Speaker 2: the right choices, like I'm gonna trip over that fucking word. Yeah,
Speaker 2: absolutely not back into the scene. I'm gonna take us
Speaker 2: back to the weight so you can hear it again.
Speaker 2: She'll make a different probably, watch her make a different
Speaker 2: choice here we go. Wait, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: We're not married anymore?
Speaker 1: Sweet fucking Christ for that your daughter's outside.
Speaker 2: But she made a second fucking choice because usable so
Speaker 2: me as the director, I'm more of an editor, right,
Speaker 2: I'm on set quote unquote directing, and she'll test in
Speaker 2: my directing. It's very mental. But I'm more of an editor, right.
Speaker 2: So in that moment, the editor keV is like, oh nice,
Speaker 2: I got choices, and I like the second one too.
Speaker 2: Her delivery gets more and more comfortable. She goes on, man,
Speaker 2: so you can get a first take out of Shannon.
Speaker 2: That's usable in the movie. But let her go here.
Speaker 2: You get some gold. That's mine. That's my acting list,
Speaker 2: my directing lesson acting lesson for those listening. Okay, Regge
Speaker 2: gets off the bed, looks at all the posters on
Speaker 2: the wall. Brody goes, uh, why he's referring to his
Speaker 2: daughter being outside? Why isn't this a school day? Oh shit,
Speaker 2: there's not another quarantine, is it. I don't have any
Speaker 2: toilet paper.
Speaker 1: I see him managed to rescue some of your ship
Speaker 1: from my garbage.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you had the nerve to throw my
Speaker 2: life out of our house.
Speaker 1: You don't live there anymore. So yes, Brody Bruce me,
Speaker 1: how did you wrote this?
Speaker 2: I did left the Brody Bruce Museum. So you're referring
Speaker 2: to this place as.
Speaker 1: As a museum.
Speaker 2: I get it. Me zoom museum. Me zoom museum instead
Speaker 2: a museum. It's me.
Speaker 1: You guys like, this is what I deal with with
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, where he's like this is easy for me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's made up? Words? And naturally I have
Speaker 2: a question. Museum like ins museum, it's amazium, meaning it's
Speaker 2: all dedicated to you.
Speaker 1: Don't live there anymore. So the Brody Bruce Museum is
Speaker 1: out of business. I mean, look at all of this shit.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm proud of, all my professional accomplishments. Amused,
Speaker 2: Rene sees a particular frame on the wall. She says,
Speaker 2: you framed our divorce papers and my personal accomplishments.
Speaker 1: Well you'll find no pride and our daughter's accomplishments. Today.
Speaker 1: Banner got caught with Gavin Hamilton at the Edentown Hotel
Speaker 1: last night doing what what do people do at hotels?
Speaker 2: Brody go to comic book shows?
Speaker 1: Why did we go to the Edentown Hotel on prom
Speaker 1: night when you asked me to sleep under the bed
Speaker 1: in case your mom burst in?
Speaker 2: She went there for sex and burned down the hotel?
Speaker 2: Is that s flying for sex? Now?
Speaker 1: No, Brody, she literally burned the hotel down there was
Speaker 1: a fire.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, really is banner.
Speaker 1: Okay, nobody got hurt, but the hotel is gone. It's
Speaker 1: just a big pile of ash.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean fireside. That's kind of metal. Our kid rocks.
Speaker 1: Oh so glad that you feel that way, because we
Speaker 1: may be liable for all of her damages.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm gonna kill that kid.
Speaker 1: I could barely keep my store open as it is,
Speaker 1: and I just got a second notice about the second mortgage.
Speaker 2: Shit already, you fucked.
Speaker 1: Us when you refinanced our house to move your stupid
Speaker 1: comic book store to a dying mall.
Speaker 2: Well, the stash is making a big comeback tomorrow. Renee
Speaker 2: Brody finally gets out of bed to show Renee a
Speaker 2: poster for the Brody Bruce Comic Con featuring Brody centric artwork.
Speaker 2: The Brody Bruce Comic coom will resuscitate my store.
Speaker 1: Your store is as good as dead because nobody goes
Speaker 1: to the mall anymore. Bro maybe not since Amazon, since
Speaker 1: the world wide pandemic. You're literally the last person alive
Speaker 1: who even gives a fat rat's ass about a mall anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, christ, I wish you showed half as much
Speaker 1: interest in your daughter.
Speaker 2: Hey, I love my daughter jack good good because she's
Speaker 2: spending the day with you. Away, man, I got to
Speaker 2: be at the mall to do press for the con
Speaker 2: at noon. And doesn't Banner have like a prom tonight
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: There's no place to have a prom, so there's not
Speaker 1: going to be a prompt tonight. So just this one time,
Speaker 1: can you put our daughter ahead of your mall and yourself? Please, Brody, never.
Speaker 2: Say no to you when you say please, because you'll
Speaker 2: always be the only one for me. Renee. We hear
Speaker 2: a toilet flush and a lady emerges. She sees Renee.
Speaker 2: Ooh you ordered us postmates. Brody says to Renee, saving face,
Speaker 2: this was just sex, okay, but you still have my heart, Brodie.
Speaker 1: Your heart is the second smallest organ you ever gave me.
Speaker 2: Renee exits after it beat. The girl, says Brodie. I
Speaker 2: thought it was a good size.
Speaker 1: Come.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that movie, right. It's good
Speaker 2: you crush bro That was so fucking good. I need
Speaker 2: some rehearsals.
Speaker 1: We got to get our pace going, I mean, Jason Lee,
Speaker 1: we got to get that keep playing a cougar.
Speaker 2: Fuckable mom. You know what I'm saying, and then the relationship,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I don't want to spoil it,
Speaker 2: but it's a comedy of remarriage. So will they get together?
Speaker 2: Come and see, But yeah, they will get together. And
Speaker 2: it's very sweet. It's very romantic, and it's also like
Speaker 2: something that you know, people who grew up with malrats
Speaker 2: now have malrats of their own right. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's fun because it plays with all the toys of marats,
Speaker 2: but it also has the perspective of being a grown
Speaker 2: up and letting go in the right time to like
Speaker 2: let go and stuff. So if you haven't figured it out,
Speaker 2: as you heard in the dialogue, like the hotel where
Speaker 2: they're going to hold the prom burns down or his
Speaker 2: daughter accidentally burned it in and so they wind up
Speaker 2: having an emergency prom at the mall, which is the
Speaker 2: big vacant building and shit, and that's when the comic
Speaker 2: CON's going on, and so Brody Bruce turns it into
Speaker 2: a prom con and invites the world like anybody who's
Speaker 2: ever been left at anything, this is your fucking problem
Speaker 2: of people's prom And it becomes this like cause to
Speaker 2: celebrite and stuff like that, and it's it's a very
Speaker 2: it's antic like mal Rads, but it's also like like,
Speaker 2: oh they got kids now. I call it the degrassy formula,
Speaker 2: like de Grassy. When they did the Next Generation, their
Speaker 2: big twist was these kids belong to the kids that
Speaker 2: used to be on the show. Now they're starting to
Speaker 2: have kids, so these are those kids. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you have me, like it's continuity, keeps going like fucking
Speaker 2: it's not like Brandon, like you know, I didn't watch it,
Speaker 2: but the New charm did have much connection to the
Speaker 2: old Charmed or were they just like it's three new
Speaker 2: chicks and the you know, I like stuff where it's like,
Speaker 2: hey man, it's a very least a nod back or something,
Speaker 2: so uh ma, Twilight of the Mall Rats is much
Speaker 2: more than a nod back.
Speaker 1: It is a return and it's good and it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's especially like if you got kids. It's
Speaker 2: it's really like.
Speaker 1: Does Universal have an Instagram?
Speaker 2: Hit them? Hit them? Bro? You you fucking get press
Speaker 2: since you started your progress you wear in Good Morning
Speaker 2: America promoting your podcast, and then like the Holly episode
Speaker 2: got pressed. So I'm telling you I brought it here
Speaker 2: because I'm like this will disseminate that information. Listen, fucking
Speaker 2: read for Renee, how incredible she is.
Speaker 1: We have a pizza party.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to. I'm gonna get a man to
Speaker 2: Pete come back and compete against him and ship.
Speaker 1: Oh god, she's really good.
Speaker 2: She worked out for a man Pete. Man. I wonder
Speaker 2: if she ever thinks about do you think she's ever
Speaker 2: like you dragged me out to fucking California for a
Speaker 2: Mallrats edition of I think did just fine. I think
Speaker 2: about no doubt she's like Shannon caught that mall Rat's
Speaker 2: bullet dodge Universal Pictures. Probably yeah, all right, follow you
Speaker 2: gotta be specific, man, you got to go after like Donna.
Speaker 2: What's her name? Donna? Who runs Universal? I don't know?
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, you're gonna do this for us.
Speaker 2: You know, we go after here's the approach Blumhouse. We
Speaker 2: go after Jason Blum because we can make a like
Speaker 2: a cheap version of it and like for you know,
Speaker 2: he started doing his division, which is a genre division
Speaker 2: and it's not a horror movie and stuff, but like
Speaker 2: he's done some stuff ain't necessarily horror movies. That's who
Speaker 2: I should reach out to. I'm literally thinking this out
Speaker 2: in real time because as you're going, like we should
Speaker 2: hit up Universal, I was like, they.
Speaker 1: Don't give a fulling him. So it's uh, Jason his Instagram,
Speaker 1: it's Jason Blum b l u M start hitting him up.
Speaker 2: Back in the day, and then he created Blumhouse Pictures,
Speaker 2: which has become the Blumhouse fucking enterprise. I almost made
Speaker 2: Tusk with them years ago, but I knew him back
Speaker 2: in the day from from the previous life as well. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he turned his ship into a fucking growing concerns. But
Speaker 2: he's based at Universal and he might be the way
Speaker 2: in where he's like, look, I'll shepherd this fucking thing
Speaker 2: that nobody cares about, but I feel people care about it.
Speaker 2: I do too. How about this, hey, Netflix, Let's make
Speaker 2: a Mallrat sequel. Because Netflix, like they're making a fucking
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills cop sequel and Netflix is going to put
Speaker 2: it out, so like, why not, Like I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: we would not be an expensive movie. You can make
Speaker 2: this movie for like, wait, less than ten million, you
Speaker 2: make it five. You make it for the same budget
Speaker 2: we made Mallrats for back in the day. And I
Speaker 2: guarantee you it would be insanely fucking watched because people
Speaker 2: know that name.
Speaker 1: And I gave the movie. Could you imagine what would
Speaker 1: be super cool is if like a Netflix did it,
Speaker 1: for instance, that right before a premieres, they do a
Speaker 1: running of Malrats so that people can watch them back
Speaker 1: to back and see, like what the original, so they
Speaker 1: can have their kids watch the original and then you
Speaker 1: go right into Malrats And that's our best case scenario.
Speaker 2: Then is Peacock because Peacock makes original productions their NBC Universal,
Speaker 2: so they are the ones that air Mallrats on their
Speaker 2: streaming search.
Speaker 1: So why can't we just go and get a meeting
Speaker 1: at Peacock?
Speaker 2: Do it? Let's do it. If I walk in with you,
Speaker 2: they probably take me a lot more seriously. Where are
Speaker 2: you at?
Speaker 1: I'm nowhere.
Speaker 2: You don't have an agency right now? Nothing? Because what
Speaker 2: you took time off agency wasn't what I was thinking
Speaker 2: of when I was fucking find No.
Speaker 1: You want to know what's really interesting is every sort
Speaker 1: of agent that I've had in the last you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of years. They they always come in very
Speaker 1: excited and they're like, oh, representing Shannon Jordy and this
Speaker 1: is so cool, and they're like, I know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's going to be some doors that are gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to get through, but but it's okay, like we
Speaker 1: will get through them eventually. And then after, you know,
Speaker 1: like eight months or a year, they're like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: just nobody's interested.
Speaker 2: They don't know, they don't know what to do with you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean no one's interested
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, no one's no one's like you know,
Speaker 1: people are too scared of you, your your reputation or
Speaker 1: your cancer or your this, And I'm like, first off,
Speaker 1: they will still be talking about a reputation is like
Speaker 1: stop right, Like every eighteen nineteen twenty year old had ship.
Speaker 2: There are folks that you laid the track, and the
Speaker 2: folks that followed on that track did were far more, yes,
Speaker 2: misbehaved than you ever were. But yeah, I would not
Speaker 2: imagine that's crazy. I would not imagine most people even
Speaker 2: remember that you were a bad So I just stopped.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm I don't you know, and
Speaker 1: I've got and I've got James, who is you know
Speaker 1: a friend who hire me? And Autumn, I've got you,
Speaker 1: you know, like I have enough people who keep hiring
Speaker 1: me for jobs that it's fine.
Speaker 2: Why, Like I would imagine you would be the kind
Speaker 2: of person that fucking Hallmark would be, like, we'll pay
Speaker 2: you so much money to do like four movies in
Speaker 2: a row because we make nineteen a week.
Speaker 1: Right, I made one a long time ago, growing the big.
Speaker 2: One, which is very double entendre.
Speaker 1: It is, but it was all about like a pumpkin contest.
Speaker 2: Oh that's adorable, isn't it? Sweet? Fucking why but why
Speaker 2: aren't you go back? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have an agent. I'm just I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm a podcaster.
Speaker 2: Now you could do that and other things. I've been
Speaker 2: podcasting since two thousand and seven. It's always been a
Speaker 2: wonderful side hustle. But yeah, I mean it's people's main listen.
Speaker 1: I obviously love acting like it's thrilling to me. My
Speaker 1: head is still focused on that scene and like all
Speaker 1: the things that I need to improve, all the like
Speaker 1: the timing, the rhythm, like I'm I'm that's my head
Speaker 1: stayed there cold read.
Speaker 2: You are so lyrical, so beautiful, and wrote that ship
Speaker 2: like and I wrote that years ago. At this point.
Speaker 2: You know that is in my That's how I heard
Speaker 2: it in my head. So the way you delivered it,
Speaker 2: I was like, perfect, Thanks that that there you go. Man. Kids,
Speaker 2: if you're like, if you're out there and you're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I got free time, fucking turn all your internet attentions
Speaker 2: on Jason Blum and Peacock and Demand are Marat sequels.
Speaker 2: We'll work on it from our side. Yes, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: just set up a meeting and go. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: and I walk in, what are they going to say? Look,
Speaker 2: they can say no to me, they can say no
Speaker 2: to you. I can say no to us. I know
Speaker 2: that sounds very privileged. Maybe I should. Maybe I should
Speaker 2: fucking check myself and stuff like, like I could walk
Speaker 2: in there and be like, we can make this movie
Speaker 2: for like five million bucks, bro, five million is nothing
Speaker 2: to you, folks. Give us five million. We will give
Speaker 2: you more than that. An audience, and even people that
Speaker 2: hate this thing will hate watch it to be like
Speaker 2: fuck e he look how fucking woke he's become or
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck like. But it won't be that. It'll
Speaker 2: just be this like funny. It's a funny, sweet movie
Speaker 2: that I think people who love the original would be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's what happened when they grew up.
Speaker 2: It's good times. Twilight of the Mall Rats is so
Speaker 2: it's sweet, fun, nostalgic, nostalgic, but like in a really, really,
Speaker 2: really good way. Yeah. I agree. I start to work kids.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, I mean if we walk in also with
Speaker 1: Jason Lee, like saying no to three of us is
Speaker 1: Jerry Hart.
Speaker 2: And Jason Lee wants to do it too. He was
Speaker 2: like he's loved every version. I mean, he's got it. Mike.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no one else for Brodie Jason Lee. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't even go forward with I.
Speaker 1: Mean, you're still friends with a fleck, Like, believe.
Speaker 2: Me, Ei, there's a bar for him and he and Ben's.
Speaker 2: Ben told me once that he's like, he's like, bro
Speaker 2: my kids, of all the movies I've done, the one
Speaker 2: they like the best is Mall Rats. And I was like,
Speaker 2: the number one. They have great taste? Why And he
Speaker 2: was like, it's because of everything I wear. It's the
Speaker 2: outfit I wear. They think it's hysterical. They love the
Speaker 2: fashion of mal Rats. He's like, my daughter is fascinated
Speaker 2: by Marats And I was like, good to know, I said,
Speaker 2: because we're doing as Like, oh my god. He's like,
Speaker 2: if it's going to happen, he's going I know people
Speaker 2: in my world who will support it, So he'll come out,
Speaker 2: he said he would come.
Speaker 1: Out, right, I mean like that right, there is five
Speaker 1: million dollars I know.
Speaker 2: But if I was like, hey, Ben's going to come
Speaker 2: out for a scene, They're like, well, can you make
Speaker 2: in the villain comedian in the whole movie? Can you
Speaker 2: make it more than a scene? It's like, I mean
Speaker 2: maybe that's you know who Renee hooks back up with good, good,
Speaker 2: good fun stuff kids. Yeah, yeah, Malrat's legend can continue. Uh,
Speaker 2: the audience is familiar with your current life and stuff
Speaker 2: like that more or less. Yeah. So not currently in
Speaker 2: a relationship, but one day I'm very close to the dog,
Speaker 2: but one day not not adverse to ever getting in
Speaker 2: a relationship again.
Speaker 1: No, not adverse at all.
Speaker 2: You must know what you want going forward, what you're
Speaker 2: looking for. Give some fuckers hope out there. You know
Speaker 2: what you talk about, like your battle, that's one people hope.
Speaker 2: Give some single motherfuckers out there hope that they're like,
Speaker 2: you mean, fucking there's a chance there's a chance to
Speaker 2: shannandor I definitely have.
Speaker 1: A list of things, and you know what's the most important,
Speaker 1: most important for me is probably going to be someone
Speaker 1: who has the personality is going to be number one.
Speaker 1: And that includes humor, It includes humility, It includes intelligence
Speaker 1: and a sense of strong moral values. And I love,
Speaker 1: I love a sense of humor because I'd like to
Speaker 1: eat and they have to be into my kind of
Speaker 1: sense of humor because it's I'm a much more dark,
Speaker 1: dry sense of humor that I'm not everybody's cup of tea, right.
Speaker 2: You know. My theory is everyone's just looking for somebody
Speaker 2: to watch TV. Yeah, and that's predominantly like what me
Speaker 2: and Jennifer did, Like you know, we do other things
Speaker 2: and we talk during it, but like that predominantly is
Speaker 2: how we spend most of the relationships. Like somebody who
Speaker 2: wants to cook with me? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right? So there you go. The audience right now,
Speaker 2: some fucking like amateur and pro chefs, you know, the beast,
Speaker 2: the bare level chefs are hearing this and going like
Speaker 2: I got a fucking shot with them, and I hear
Speaker 2: her house is amazing, amazing, amazing, and the kitchen is astounding,
Speaker 2: so he's got to be able to cook. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean either way or just guys, guys, you guys.
Speaker 1: I like cooking, so I would was one who enjoys
Speaker 1: it and they don't have to be a great cook,
Speaker 1: but just somebody who wants to get in there, help
Speaker 1: me chop the onion, so you cry instead of me.
Speaker 2: So all that sounded so sexual. Just get in there
Speaker 2: and che motherfucker.
Speaker 1: As to do, like watching movies with someone?
Speaker 2: Of course, what do you do because you can only
Speaker 2: you can't cook twenty four to seven? Right, what do
Speaker 2: you Historically?
Speaker 1: I'm a big reader's all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you sit in a room with that person
Speaker 2: read while they're doing something else. Yeah, can you read
Speaker 2: if they're doing other things? Like you can have the
Speaker 2: TV on?
Speaker 1: You can, they can have they can have the TV on.
Speaker 1: It doesn't Once I start reading something that I'm into,
Speaker 1: I'm focused. I'm focused.
Speaker 2: How are you with memorization?
Speaker 1: Still amazing?
Speaker 2: I mean that's something that you have to develop early on.
Speaker 2: Is it truly photographic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's one of those photographic memories where it's
Speaker 1: almost like you have to click it on. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to just you know, read something and instantly
Speaker 1: know it. It's you have to sort of go, okay,
Speaker 1: now I really need to know this, and then it
Speaker 1: just and then you pull up the page in your
Speaker 1: like it comes in front of your eyes and.
Speaker 2: You see it.
Speaker 1: I just I don't like, I don't love using it
Speaker 1: as an act journeymore because what I found I've needed
Speaker 1: it on occasion.
Speaker 2: But what I found is.
Speaker 1: That it's when you use the photographic memory, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a disconnect from yourself and the material,
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: Whereas if I actually really.
Speaker 1: Take the time and study this, if I like study
Speaker 1: your bio, if I really really look this over and
Speaker 1: connect with it and understand every single word and why
Speaker 1: it's like why it's done like that right right, it
Speaker 1: pulls me much closer to the character than.
Speaker 2: It helps me form that character instead.
Speaker 1: Of just a page in front of you know, invisibly
Speaker 1: in front of my eyes.
Speaker 2: So can I can? I of course it's me. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to put it into sexual terms.
Speaker 2: It is all the difference between like fucking Megan love
Speaker 2: passionately and just wrote fucking yeah yeah, where it's just
Speaker 2: like I can do this and I can go through
Speaker 2: the motions and I can fucking and it'll it'll be
Speaker 2: good and and will feel good and stuff. But if
Speaker 2: you take the time and it becomes you become the character.
Speaker 2: It's coming through the character. That's so fucking interesting, man.
Speaker 2: But think about that. What a great like side hustle
Speaker 2: you got out of your main job. Your main job
Speaker 2: is like be an actor. Your side hustle is like
Speaker 2: I can fucking memorize the ship. I have a photographic memory. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or did that exist and that helped with acting?
Speaker 1: I mean I think it helped with acting initially because
Speaker 1: it didn't exist. Hold readings were always pretty easy for me,
Speaker 1: is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know they'd give you you walk in for an audition,
Speaker 1: that give you a page and I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I got it, and then sit down and not really
Speaker 1: have to look at Besides, how.
Speaker 2: Long did you were you in the auditioning world before
Speaker 2: you didn't have.
Speaker 1: To like I've always been in the auditioning right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with Charmed, you get offered Charmed, right, They're
Speaker 2: not like you got to read and I know what
Speaker 2: you want to did you audition?
Speaker 1: I had to audition and it was by the way
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. Like I auditioned and I went
Speaker 1: to Network, and Network flew out a girl from the
Speaker 1: East Coast and traditionally, but traditionally, as you know, when
Speaker 1: when they spend that money to fly somebody, you're like,
Speaker 1: that person is getting the job for sure, that's true.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've I've I feel like I've always been
Speaker 1: in the auditioning world. Maybe now later in life I'm
Speaker 1: not as open to doing.
Speaker 2: It and everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, is there really a character I can't play?
Speaker 1: But obviously there are, you know, people I would audition
Speaker 1: for in a heartbeat, like I don't have, and they
Speaker 1: make it easier now because usually you can just self
Speaker 1: tape and send it in. It's the meeting of people.
Speaker 1: I remember I went on an audition and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, after nine, like after Charmed.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: You're very successful, right, And it was supposed to just
Speaker 1: be no other actors were going to be there. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be very quiet. They were being very respectful
Speaker 1: towards me, blah blah blah. There wouldn't be a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the room. And I went in and
Speaker 1: there was like friggin ten or eleven people in the
Speaker 1: room and one of the actresses who had been in
Speaker 1: Uh the original was in the room at zero scenes
Speaker 1: with her, and I was like, are you staying? Are
Speaker 1: you reading? Like like she goes, oh, no, I heard
Speaker 1: you were coming in and I just wanted to come
Speaker 1: in and watch your audition.
Speaker 2: I was flattered it.
Speaker 1: I literally couldn't stop shaking.
Speaker 2: Tell me explained.
Speaker 1: It made me extremely nervous because I got very self conscious,
Speaker 1: what are you? And I got very self conscious serious.
Speaker 1: I felt like the judgment was going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty times harder because it was me versus somebody else,
Speaker 1: and all that kept going through my head was I'm
Speaker 1: going to disappoint. It didn't help that it was a
Speaker 1: movie I didn't even want to audition for, and my
Speaker 1: manager at the time, John was like, no, you need
Speaker 1: to go. This is good for you. It's a studio movie.
Speaker 1: And ever since you know, mal Ratz killed your film career.
Speaker 2: Fuck, we forgot about that. I was feel good for
Speaker 2: a second there. Wait, did you when you went in
Speaker 2: the person who said that, did you get the What
Speaker 2: was the tone with which they were saying, well, I know.
Speaker 1: She didn't mean it in a It wasn't a negative like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I want to watch she was a fan.
Speaker 2: I think she honestly just wanted to audition. She was like,
Speaker 2: I'm literally here because fucking like you. I watched you
Speaker 2: on TV, Like I'm a huge fan. And that made you.
Speaker 1: Nervous as opposed to like firston, I was also a
Speaker 1: fan of hers, and and it made me. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was just nervous. And again I didn't want to disappoint,
Speaker 1: and I did. I in fact disappointed them all. You
Speaker 1: didn't think you I don't think I know. I was terrible.
Speaker 1: My entire body shaking, I started sweating. I was so
Speaker 1: bad that they actually said to my manager, is she okay?
Speaker 2: No? Like, yeah, that person, it was that bad. If
Speaker 2: that person hadn't said that, do you think you would have?
Speaker 1: I think I still would have been nervous because I
Speaker 1: had an auditioned in so long. It was kind of
Speaker 1: my first audition.
Speaker 2: Back, take me back to the beginning, like what was
Speaker 2: the first Like did you book commercials before you booked
Speaker 2: like a gig? Like was night shift the first gig
Speaker 2: that you booked? Because you're young?
Speaker 1: In that shot, I booked a Pacific bellmmercial, which was
Speaker 1: a telephone company.
Speaker 2: And how old were you? I think I was nine
Speaker 2: or ten.
Speaker 1: I was excited. I guess I didn't. All I had
Speaker 1: to do was sleep in a bad and then the
Speaker 1: grandma comes over and it was it was a it
Speaker 1: was a Spanish commercial, so I didn't even know like
Speaker 1: she everything was in Spanish, and so she kisses me
Speaker 1: good night, and my eyes stay closed and she goes
Speaker 1: on something about the telephone company. That was my first job.
Speaker 1: And then I did a couple of commercials, like I
Speaker 1: did McDonald's commercial. I did a shout you know that.
Speaker 3: The spray to get games out and oh my god,
Speaker 3: and fucking you must have been like the most famous
Speaker 3: person in your world at that point, like certainly the
Speaker 3: most famous people for person that your family met.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody really paid it that close attention to
Speaker 1: they were. And then I did. I think. I think
Speaker 1: my next thing might have been the Secret of Nim,
Speaker 1: which was an animated.
Speaker 2: You did the voice of cigarette Nime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Teresa the mouse get.
Speaker 2: Out of here, all right? So then what do you
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: What's your And then I think came Father Murphy, which
Speaker 1: Michael Lannon was producing and writing.
Speaker 2: So that was before you even nightshift and.
Speaker 1: Oh no, night Shift was probably right at the same
Speaker 1: time as the first commercial.
Speaker 2: And so Father Murphy was a Michael Landon thing and
Speaker 2: the wild thing that was our house and that came
Speaker 2: after Father Murphy. Yes, how long?
Speaker 1: That came after a little house?
Speaker 2: You were a fucking little house, bro Oh my god, I.
Speaker 1: Forgot yeah little house in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome that experience.
Speaker 2: And did you work with Landon? Did you meet him
Speaker 2: and talk to him? All?
Speaker 1: He directed, he directed, and he wrote a lot of
Speaker 1: episodes specifically for me, where he would write very specific
Speaker 1: episodes for me and end up directing this How old
Speaker 1: are you at this point? That carried me probably from
Speaker 1: you know, ten and a half to maybe thirteen.
Speaker 2: And you don't have you got wonderful parents. You don't
Speaker 2: have those terrible parents that took your money and fucking
Speaker 2: ran and stuff.
Speaker 1: No, but I mean, you know how much money you're
Speaker 1: making your especially back then, what is making scale?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was scale back then?
Speaker 2: No? No, whole fucking a lot. So all right, so
Speaker 2: that eventually stops.
Speaker 1: And then and then our House comes around and.
Speaker 2: Oh I did, girl? I did? I think I did?
Speaker 1: Girls just want to have fun? Which was a movie
Speaker 1: with Sarah as well. Yeah, and then and then I think.
Speaker 2: God, I did kill your movie career.
Speaker 1: You did, God damn it. Then I did Our House
Speaker 1: and and.
Speaker 2: That was Will for Brimley? And who else was in that?
Speaker 2: Didra Hal from well? From Days of Our Lives? And
Speaker 2: who else was in it?
Speaker 1: Chad Allen?
Speaker 2: Look at you? Oh my god? Who else? Carrie? What
Speaker 2: was Brimley like? Wonderful? He was a good guy for me.
Speaker 1: He was fantastic. Yeah, I mean, listen, he was a
Speaker 1: wonderful horseman.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to his ranch often. His first wife Lynn,
Speaker 1: I was very close with. He was wonderful to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if some of our writers or producers
Speaker 1: felt the same way.
Speaker 2: He was one of those cats, like a figure of
Speaker 2: controversy or something. You know.
Speaker 1: He was a he was like he was an ex wrangler.
Speaker 1: He was literally a wrangler, and he just was no nonsense.
Speaker 1: And if he didn't like a script, you knew it.
Speaker 1: He was For me, he was fantastic. He was a cowboy.
Speaker 2: How many years was that show?
Speaker 1: God, I have no idea. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: it lasted a very long time. Maybe two seasons or so, Maybe.
Speaker 2: Was that girls just want to have fun. After that,
Speaker 2: it was either before or after.
Speaker 1: But I know that that might have carried me until
Speaker 1: he was sixteen or so, and then I think I
Speaker 1: did some movie the weeks and then I did Heathers
Speaker 1: at right around seventeen.
Speaker 2: Bro, you could have never done anything else for the
Speaker 2: rest of your life, and for a while, Heathers would
Speaker 2: have been enough. Like you know, maybe cats don't really
Speaker 2: I mean they maybe cats do realize that because they
Speaker 2: did do a revamp show. But this fucking movie was everything.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a successful box office hit. It was
Speaker 2: a sleeper that like everyone discovered on home video, not
Speaker 2: unlike Waul Rats later on that got bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2: But every critic in the world loved this movie. Every
Speaker 2: fucking teenager in the world loved this movie. And shit,
Speaker 2: it was huge. That was a massive film in my childhood.
Speaker 2: What was it like?
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it, Like in terms of the yeah,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I didn't really understand the movie. I
Speaker 1: understood that the dialogue was super cool, Like I got
Speaker 1: that right, that was dialogue is my things, as you know.
Speaker 1: But I don't think when I watched the movie at
Speaker 1: the At the screening, I was I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was a comedy, baffled by Heathers all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it's a comedy, and I was completely confused.
Speaker 2: So when you read the script, you were like, this
Speaker 2: is a fucking this is some sinister ship.
Speaker 1: I thought it was sinister, but I thought it was
Speaker 1: an actual sort of take on what was transpiring in
Speaker 1: the world and in high schools at that point in time, and.
Speaker 2: That rampant suicides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I just I think I took it
Speaker 1: more as a drama anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's meant to be funny. Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 2: I would So that's pre nine oh two. AZ does
Speaker 2: that lead directly?
Speaker 1: Apparently that led to them calling me for an audition.
Speaker 1: So the story goes is that Toy was a huge
Speaker 1: fan of Heathers. So when they were looking for a Brenda,
Speaker 1: Toys to her dad me the fuck seriously, they called
Speaker 1: me to audition.
Speaker 2: And then the rest of course, as we know television history.
Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for listening into Let's be clear with
Speaker 1: the amazing Kevin Smith.
Speaker 2: Oh stop, this is an absolute fucking pleasure. You've always
Speaker 2: been one of my favorite people that I've ever worked
Speaker 2: in this business, and I do so closely, closely associate
Speaker 2: you with the beginning of my career. Like I know
Speaker 2: I have some place in your mythology, but like you
Speaker 2: feature very prominently in mine, because you were what was
Speaker 2: at the other side of the bridge, right like making
Speaker 2: clerks like and bought. I crossed a bridge into another
Speaker 2: world and you were waiting on the other side. It
Speaker 2: was a comforting face to see because I'd known that face,
Speaker 2: like from other media, my whole life. So I have
Speaker 2: such a big space in my heart for you, always have,
Speaker 2: always will thank you.
Speaker 1: We are going to get Maurets too done.
Speaker 2: Bye, Yes, God, damn it.
Speaker 1: I want to be back on a set with you.
Speaker 2: Be fun. Yeah, totally fun, I'm telling you. The reboot
Speaker 2: thing bugs me not because, like, as I was driving
Speaker 2: over here, I was like, why didn't we just shoot
Speaker 2: her in Los Angeles? And then I could have had
Speaker 2: what I wanted? Fuck, And then I started thinking about
Speaker 2: like re release chains. I'm all rebooting, this is the
Speaker 2: rabbit holes I fall down. Sure, but yes, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it would be fun to fucking play man. And that
Speaker 2: was what a great way to play that would be
Speaker 2: because it would be one of those things where you
Speaker 2: know there's an audience waiting. Oftentimes you make a thing
Speaker 2: and you're like, fuck, I hope somebody is gonna watch this.
Speaker 2: Especially in this they're they're waiting. It's something that would
Speaker 2: pop you know what I'm saying, like in terms of
Speaker 2: people going oh oh, I'm familiar with that term and
Speaker 2: I love that movie and stuff. So yes, let's make
Speaker 2: it happen people, Let's make it happen.