Speaker 1: As a late fifteen to ten touched up Chargers.
Speaker 2: What's up, guys, We are back with a brand new
Speaker 2: episode of Chargers Weekly three weeks until the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four NFL Draft, but business at Hope Performance Center this
Speaker 2: week April second Baby, as always, joined by Bat Buddy
Speaker 2: Smith and Buddy. You were there for the start of
Speaker 2: the off season program. You got to listen to the pressers.
Speaker 2: We have a ton of questions that we will get
Speaker 2: to and we've throughout our episode today, but just want
Speaker 2: to give you the floor again first on just your
Speaker 2: reaction to the start of a new era of Chargers football.
Speaker 1: Man, it's you know, I'm not gonna name names. It'd
Speaker 1: be a lot of people that perhaps the folks listen
Speaker 1: and aren't aren't familiar with, but you know people that
Speaker 1: we work with that are part of the Chargers staff,
Speaker 1: and just feel it. Man. You can feel the juice,
Speaker 1: you can feel the bounce, you can feel the electricity,
Speaker 1: you can feel the excitement people that are in the
Speaker 1: building every single day. It is infectious. It is palpable,
Speaker 1: and I think the sliver, the the whatever it might
Speaker 1: have come out to an hour, hour and change of
Speaker 1: pressers from those three individuals I think, you know, sort
Speaker 1: of speaks and gives you a tiny glimpse into what
Speaker 1: life is like every day and how committed you know
Speaker 1: this staff is and these new men are. You know,
Speaker 1: these men are to building a championship caliber football and
Speaker 1: it it permeates, man, I could. I could feel it
Speaker 1: and talking to all the people that that we've been
Speaker 1: around for the last you know, eight years, and how
Speaker 1: it's taken over that facility and a new culture is
Speaker 1: is being installed.
Speaker 2: So Jim Harball, you can listen to him talk for hours.
Speaker 2: Hayden Hurst was great, but you know, the main event
Speaker 2: was Ben Herbert and I don't know if I've seen
Speaker 2: somebody in his position get the floor like that in
Speaker 2: an NFL press conference. It was remarkable and I think
Speaker 2: it leads to the first question that we have from
Speaker 2: our buddies at Charger Chat podcast. Dude, that Ben Herbert
Speaker 2: press conference was intense. I've never heard of strength and
Speaker 2: conditioning philosophy like that. What kind of impact do you
Speaker 2: think he will have on our players and team. It's
Speaker 2: better for me and you to just let Ben give
Speaker 2: that answer.
Speaker 3: The first goal is to make you harder to break.
Speaker 3: People often may say training, we're gonna break, We're going
Speaker 3: to break you down and build you up. My goal
Speaker 3: is not to break you. My goal is to make
Speaker 3: you harder to break. How are we going to go
Speaker 3: about doing that? How we train your neck in traps
Speaker 3: to protect your head? Right, The most vulnerabilary is of
Speaker 3: the body, in my opinion, in the game of football,
Speaker 3: the head, right and left shoulder, right and left hip girdle,
Speaker 3: right and left hamstring, right and left ankle. So through
Speaker 3: your training you have to be proactive at training those
Speaker 3: areas of the body. So the network that I introduced today,
Speaker 3: the trap work, the four part cuff sequence to address
Speaker 3: the four rotator cuff muscles in their shoulder girdle, introduced
Speaker 3: them to some hip work, introduced them to some ankle work. Right,
Speaker 3: These are things that are paramount. If you want to
Speaker 3: make a football player harder to break, your training has
Speaker 3: to be sound in my opinion, it's all my opinion.
Speaker 3: Your training has to be sound in those areas. So
Speaker 3: that's goal number one.
Speaker 1: Make you harder to break.
Speaker 3: Goal number two And it has to do more with
Speaker 3: here than like I say to the guys here, consistency,
Speaker 3: your ability to show up every day and repeatedly do
Speaker 3: what you are capable of doing. Consistency is incredibly valuable.
Speaker 3: Attention to detail, right, there's a way we do things.
Speaker 3: There's a way we train, and there's a way we
Speaker 3: like when we had two and a half pound plates
Speaker 3: we use today, and when they put those plates back,
Speaker 3: the plates are stacked and they're about ten two and
Speaker 3: a half pound plates high. When they put them back,
Speaker 3: they put them back a certain way. Every it says
Speaker 3: rogue at the top of the plate. Every rogue is
Speaker 3: perfectly square. Doesn't matter if it's the second plate or
Speaker 3: the tenth plate. It goes back precisely, no different than
Speaker 3: a DB's eyes or his footwork, or an offensive lineman's
Speaker 3: feet or his hand placement. Like ways we practice attention
Speaker 3: to detail. We train a certain way, but we also
Speaker 3: how we keep the room, just how we do everything.
Speaker 3: There's a certain level of detail involved in that. And
Speaker 3: then emotional stability. You will never see me some guys coaches.
Speaker 3: One of them, Chris Hinton's a guy that's you know,
Speaker 3: we were together at Michigan. These guys, they've they've been
Speaker 3: around me. One couple some guys a couple of months.
Speaker 3: I don't change, meaning a coach orb got the juice today,
Speaker 3: he's feeling good, he's happy, he's excited. Well, then it
Speaker 3: rains and I feel a certain type of way. Or
Speaker 3: I told you guys, I have a wife, two boys,
Speaker 3: two dogs. I have a car with four tires. If
Speaker 3: I get a flat tire, I'm not going to take
Speaker 3: it out on you if something happens. I don't change
Speaker 3: emotionally when I walk in the facility. Who you know
Speaker 3: me to be is who I am every day. It's
Speaker 3: never changed. This is my twenty third year knowing people
Speaker 3: that knew me nineteen ninety eight or two thousand and
Speaker 3: two would say, yeah, today I'm that same person. Emotional
Speaker 3: stability incredibly important. And then bigger, faster, stronger. I want
Speaker 3: to improve range of motion and tissue and joint. I
Speaker 3: want to give you more pressing capability. I want to
Speaker 3: make you improve your acceleration, your top end speed. All
Speaker 3: of these things we call them key performance indicators that
Speaker 3: have to do with flexibility, mobility, strength and power, agility
Speaker 3: and speed. And when you think of those three things
Speaker 3: help make a guy harder to break. Consistency, attention to detail,
Speaker 3: emotional stability, bigger, faster, stronger, more mobile and flexible. That's
Speaker 3: what you can how you can describe.
Speaker 2: Our program money so much there. My favorite part was
Speaker 2: the attention to detail part talking about the road plates
Speaker 2: and putting them perfectly. And it reminds me of a
Speaker 2: book that I read Legacy about the All Blacks, the
Speaker 2: rugby team sweeping the sheds. You know, just just the
Speaker 2: little attention to detail and how he correlated it to
Speaker 2: a DB's eyes and and what you do on the
Speaker 2: football field. I just found it remarkable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think a lot of it, you know,
Speaker 1: in many of those books, your your leadership books, you know,
Speaker 1: Captain Class, the you know, the Boys in the Boat,
Speaker 1: like all of those. Look, there's a reason why it's included,
Speaker 1: you know, because it works. It works, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's not comfortable if you're you know, busting
Speaker 1: your tail and you're throwing iron around for an hour
Speaker 1: and you get a guy breathing down your neck because
Speaker 1: you put a plate a quarter of an inch, you know,
Speaker 1: off the mark where he wants it. You know, that
Speaker 1: can create some uncomfortable situations. And the point there is
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, because your eyes drift and as
Speaker 1: he described it, you know, you move three inches the
Speaker 1: wrong way and and and it's over. You know, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to have inside leverage, and oh, I missed it
Speaker 1: by just an inch though, Yeah, it plays over. And
Speaker 1: that's you know, it is a microcosm of what they're creating,
Speaker 1: and that is attention to detail. That every inch matters,
Speaker 1: that every step matters, that every glance and where you're looking,
Speaker 1: where your eyes go matter. There's like, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why we played the entire four minutes because you can
Speaker 1: listen to it over and over again and there's there
Speaker 1: and look, there's a reason why the Chargers made him
Speaker 1: available because they know they know his messaging. They know
Speaker 1: how on point he is, how precise he is, how
Speaker 1: good of a communicator he is. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that can be you know, I don't think that can
Speaker 1: be overstated, that he communicates well, that he explains the
Speaker 1: why you know, when when you know he's talking about
Speaker 1: two and a half plates. If you know, I had
Speaker 1: to go through shoulder rehabs, so I know what that
Speaker 1: feels like. It is not fun, man, two and a
Speaker 1: half pound plates when I had to rehab my ac
Speaker 1: joint that I separated, you know, three hundred percent. That's
Speaker 1: what I was working with. I was working with one
Speaker 1: pound and two pounds and your shoulder is out and
Speaker 1: you're doing your arm circles and you're holding it over
Speaker 1: your head and you're doing front and man, I can
Speaker 1: guarantee you those two and a half pound plates did
Speaker 1: some work on Monday at the facility, and so I
Speaker 1: think it just breeds, it breeds that culture of there's
Speaker 1: a there's a method here, there is a method that's
Speaker 1: going to carry us past to finish line and win
Speaker 1: a race, not just participate. This is how we win
Speaker 1: the race. We're all participants. Do you want to win?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you want to participate or do you
Speaker 1: want to win? Because we're trying to train you to win.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of that. And look,
Speaker 1: I've just finished with this. You know, the main part
Speaker 1: of his thirty minutes that he talked with us was
Speaker 1: all about, you know what, making you harder to break.
Speaker 1: You can't win the race if you can't finish it.
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's where it all starts. Let's
Speaker 1: make sure we finish the race, and let's make sure
Speaker 1: we're running it to win and that's sort of you
Speaker 1: know what I felt the philosophy that shared, you know
Speaker 1: that the philosophy that he shared, that's kind of how
Speaker 1: it hit me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love how he kicked it off too. He says,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to break you. I'm trying to make
Speaker 2: you harder to break. And that's one of the things
Speaker 2: Hayden Hurst talked about. Hayden Hurst played for John Harball
Speaker 2: and this is a very similar operation. They want to
Speaker 2: beat you up and they want to be the last
Speaker 2: team standing in the fourth quarter. And Hayden talked about
Speaker 2: that philosophy.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think everybody in this league, they're a big, strong,
Speaker 4: fast athletic. But when you have a system like this
Speaker 4: where you get guys to buy in and collectively fight
Speaker 4: for one another, and you turn it into a street
Speaker 4: fight like what we did in Baltimore, you know, just
Speaker 4: you're gonna out tough people because not everybody wants to
Speaker 4: do that for sixty minutes. You know, it's it's a
Speaker 4: tough game and stuff doing that twenty weeks for sixty minutes.
Speaker 4: And I think these coaches, with you know, playing for
Speaker 4: John and playing for Jim, they expect to wear teams
Speaker 4: out at the end, and if you're not going to
Speaker 4: do it, they're going to find somebody to do it.
Speaker 2: So, buddy, these are just these are the types of
Speaker 2: players that Jim Harball wants to bring in, people that
Speaker 2: are familiar with what they're trying to accomplish, to get
Speaker 2: everybody on the same page. And these are the things
Speaker 2: April second, from here on out, these are the moments
Speaker 2: that are going to prepare this team to be that
Speaker 2: last team standing in the fourth quarter, because, as hayden
Speaker 2: Hurst said, there's a lot of teams that don't want
Speaker 2: to play that way, that don't want to play sixty minutes,
Speaker 2: that don't want to tough it out with ten minutes
Speaker 2: left in the fourth quarter, and this team is training
Speaker 2: right now to be one of those toughest teams in
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 1: It was. It was my favorite thirty seconds of the day.
Speaker 1: It really was, because it's one thing. You know, coaches
Speaker 1: have messaging, they have talking points, they have philosophies, but
Speaker 1: if the players don't buy in, it doesn't matter. Right.
Speaker 1: So to hear this, to hear a player say it,
Speaker 1: to hear a player say the words, if you're not
Speaker 1: willing to do it, They'll find somebody else. That's that
Speaker 1: to me is what were you know was the most
Speaker 1: impactful sentence of the entire day. It's not a coach
Speaker 1: saying it. It's a player saying, Hey, I lived it.
Speaker 1: I know what this looks like. And you know, this
Speaker 1: week I do the radio show with Petros. Petros was
Speaker 1: a short yardage back. You know, you can think about
Speaker 1: what that is in a Division one you know football,
Speaker 1: you know, in Division one football for a team like
Speaker 1: USC and what you're asked to do and how you're
Speaker 1: asked to play the game. And I talked, you know,
Speaker 1: and Lorenzo and I do the do the Belief stuff
Speaker 1: every week, and they both had the exact same response.
Speaker 1: Number One, they loved it. They ate it up. It's
Speaker 1: their brand of football. It's a brand that they believe
Speaker 1: works and and I think each of them shared something
Speaker 1: very insightful coming from players that were asked to play
Speaker 1: this way. And you know, it was you know, Lowe
Speaker 1: was talking about blocking fer Ladinian and going to the
Speaker 1: sideline and saying to you know, whomever was there at
Speaker 1: the time coordinating the d, hey, he's turning it down, man,
Speaker 1: he goes It's late in the fourth quarter, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to the side saying, this is what we're running.
Speaker 1: When we get back on the field, I can tell
Speaker 1: you right now, have him follow me. He's done, he's done,
Speaker 1: he's tapped out. Let's go and let he goes in.
Speaker 1: And that's how we would win games. And that's how
Speaker 1: we would close it out because I could feel it.
Speaker 1: I could feel our team breaking the will you know,
Speaker 1: and Petros explained it this way, and I don't think
Speaker 1: people you know, and I've heard it said before. You
Speaker 1: know the there's two goals. Really, it boils down to
Speaker 1: two goals in the sport of football, forward progress preventing
Speaker 1: forward progress. That's all it is. The side that has
Speaker 1: the ball is attempting to progress forwardly. The team that
Speaker 1: is not possessing the ball is attempting to prevent you
Speaker 1: from progressing forward. It's that simple. How you choose to
Speaker 1: do that is up to you. But that's what it
Speaker 1: boils down to. And you ask any old line, you
Speaker 1: ask any tight end. Do you ask any fullback you
Speaker 1: want to be going forward, you want to be going backward?
Speaker 1: What would you prefer to do? Yeah, they all want
Speaker 1: to go forward, and they all want to go forward
Speaker 1: and get to a point where they break your will.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what was conveyed in that quick statement.
Speaker 1: There might be able to do it for the first quarter,
Speaker 1: and you can stop it. It's not a complex powers
Speaker 1: not a complex play, you know, duo's not that complex.
Speaker 1: You know, run in between the gas not that complex.
Speaker 1: You can stop it, but can you stop it when
Speaker 1: it's minute fifty six and it's a tie game? And
Speaker 1: that's what Hayden hr spoke to the other thing I'll
Speaker 1: add with it real quick, Chris, you know what I
Speaker 1: loved about that answer to and he didn't break stride.
Speaker 1: He said it, Are they willing to do it for
Speaker 1: twenty games? Not seventeen divisional round, championship round, Super Bowl
Speaker 1: seventeen plus three? Are they willing to do it for
Speaker 1: twenty Are they willing to play sixty minutes of street fight,
Speaker 1: beat the living snot out of each other football for
Speaker 1: twenty games? He said? And there's very few teams willing
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's very important for Chargers fans to
Speaker 2: understand that talent is only one slice of the pie
Speaker 2: when you talk about a championship team. Yes, talents has
Speaker 2: left the organization in the form m keenan Allen and
Speaker 2: Mike Williams and some other players. But talent's one slice
Speaker 2: of it. Scheme and coaching is another part of it,
Speaker 2: and we'll get into Jesse Mitterer and some of his
Speaker 2: philosophy and the things he likes to do and how
Speaker 2: they disguise things. But will is the probably the biggest
Speaker 2: part of it. Are you willing to do something that
Speaker 2: other teams are not willing to do? And that's where
Speaker 2: this offseason program sets the foundation for that for Chargers fans.
Speaker 2: One last clip money, This is Jim Harball talking about
Speaker 2: building his players.
Speaker 5: You know, what you're striving for is the the player
Speaker 5: that you know plays within the scheme, really knows his
Speaker 5: job schematically and can make the adjustments, make the calls,
Speaker 5: you know, combined with a superior athlete. You know, if
Speaker 5: somebody doesn't know what they're doing, uh, and they're a
Speaker 5: superior athlete, they're probably gonna get beat by the one
Speaker 5: who really knows what they're doing and is a is
Speaker 5: a is a really good athlete. So yeah, really really
Speaker 5: learning what we're doing schematically and what what each person's
Speaker 5: job is and how it fits with with all eleven
Speaker 5: plus making your you know, going from good athlete, the
Speaker 5: better athlete, to great athlete to superior athlete. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're trying to make that that combination because you can
Speaker 5: you can't train yourself to be you know, better, stronger, more,
Speaker 5: more agile, more flexible, uh more, lean, muscle mass less
Speaker 5: fat and fat's the enemy of speed. Uh So We've
Speaker 5: had a lot of similar, similar ideas about football and
Speaker 5: bottom line, just trying to get get better at football,
Speaker 5: trying to get really good at football.
Speaker 2: He always has a fantastic one liner or three or
Speaker 2: four one liners to come out of a presser. Fat
Speaker 2: is the enemy of speed was my favorite. And this
Speaker 2: is a question from keV that kind of kind of
Speaker 2: rolls right into coach Harball. Is it crazy for me
Speaker 2: to think that under Jim Harball the Chargers will never
Speaker 2: finish below ten wins in any one season. I don't
Speaker 2: know the answer to that, keV, but I know what's
Speaker 2: being built right now. In his track record of success,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this Charges
Speaker 2: team was a ten win seasons of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Look, the Chiefs are the best team in football, right
Speaker 1: That's it impossible to argue that they've won three Super
Speaker 1: Bowls in four years so or you know, but are
Speaker 1: they the most consistent? And by that I mean yes,
Speaker 1: they have made the postseason every the AFC Championship Game
Speaker 1: for that matter, every single season since Patrick Mahomes has
Speaker 1: been there. That's consistent. But I am talking about a
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens team that, over the course of twenty plus years,
Speaker 1: has always been in contention for or has won their
Speaker 1: division and has punched their ticket to the postseason. And
Speaker 1: I know I've said it before, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it, you know, because I know everybody that listens,
Speaker 1: I don't want to keep repeating myself. But that is
Speaker 1: all you're looking for. That is what you are seeking,
Speaker 1: a chance to participate in the postseason. Because once you
Speaker 1: get in now you just need to execute, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't. But just
Speaker 1: think about the Bills and how close they were before
Speaker 1: that special team's air and that special team's touchdown, you know,
Speaker 1: think about the Ravens that gave that game away with
Speaker 1: dumb ass penalties and dumb ass plays by Jay Flowers
Speaker 1: at the goal line and Lamar Jackson throwing into the
Speaker 1: you know, just a ridiculous interception in the end zone,
Speaker 1: but they were able to compete. And that's what I
Speaker 1: believe at the core of all of this is a
Speaker 1: brand of football that allows you to be in every
Speaker 1: game and gives you an opportunity to win in the
Speaker 1: final five to ten minutes, which is how most of
Speaker 1: these games are decided, and gives you an opportunity to
Speaker 1: chase ten wins, which is what you need to get
Speaker 1: to get into the postseason. How do we play football
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity to win or hang on you
Speaker 1: to snatch a win from defeat, or to hold off
Speaker 1: defeat in the final five minutes, And how do we
Speaker 1: find how do we develop something that can win ten games,
Speaker 1: because that's how we get into the postseason and then
Speaker 1: let the chips fall where they may.
Speaker 2: This is not an expansion team, but it's a completely
Speaker 2: different culture. There's so much to be excited about. A
Speaker 2: new GM, a new head coach, and new staff, new players,
Speaker 2: and we have so many questions. Buddy, I know that
Speaker 2: we're not going to get to all of them today.
Speaker 2: We're going to put them to next week. But we'll
Speaker 2: try to get through as many as possible. A lot
Speaker 2: of draft questions will start with Doug Beckham despite a
Speaker 2: theoretical Vikings trade back earning quote positive trade value five
Speaker 2: for eleven and twenty three and a future third. Would
Speaker 2: it be regretful to pass on paring Herbert with a
Speaker 2: big time blue chip receiver with this possibly being the
Speaker 2: only chance to do that through the draft. It's a
Speaker 2: great question. I'm gonna start each of these draft questions
Speaker 2: with whatever Joe Hortiz thinks is best and whatever Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh thinks is best. Who are we to argue with
Speaker 2: a guy who's been in that Baltimore Ravens organization for
Speaker 2: two plus decades and a guy who has won at
Speaker 2: every level. But I will say that, you know, I
Speaker 2: use Daniel Jeremiah as gospel when it comes to projecting
Speaker 2: these players in his top fifty. And he has Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison as his second player, he has Roma Dunsay as
Speaker 2: his third player, he has Moliite Neighbors as his fourth player.
Speaker 2: So if there is not a trade partner for the
Speaker 2: Chargers at five, and you can get a Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 2: a Elite Neighbors, or a Roma Dunze there at five,
Speaker 2: pair him with Justin Herbert on a rookie contract. I
Speaker 2: think that that's not going to be something anybody is
Speaker 2: upset about money.
Speaker 1: So here's I just came to this through the course
Speaker 1: of the week and I was talking to some people
Speaker 1: and it just kind of came up in our conversation.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm sure I'm not the first person to
Speaker 1: bring it up, because it just it hit me like
Speaker 1: a diamond bullet right between the eyes. They're going to
Speaker 1: trade back because and here's why, because they want more picks, right,
Speaker 1: they want more picks to populate this roster with players
Speaker 1: that sound and believe in what they do, like Hayden
Speaker 1: Hurst believes in what they do. That could be Marvin Harrison,
Speaker 1: that could be romaduneesay. But let's just say, and this
Speaker 1: is all predicated on this not being smoke and it
Speaker 1: really being four quarterbacks that really there are teams chasing
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks that Jayden Daniels is not going to slide,
Speaker 1: Drake May's not going to slide, and JJ McCarthy's not
Speaker 1: gonna slide. We already know kayle the Williams is going
Speaker 1: number one. That is to compley. So if that's the case.
Speaker 1: If you are Arizona, you hold currently picks five and
Speaker 1: twenty seven. Why would you not trade knowing that the
Speaker 1: Chargers want to trade back, why would you not trade
Speaker 1: four for eleven and twenty three? And before you consummate
Speaker 1: that deal, you called Joe Ortis Massie Austin Ford calls
Speaker 1: Joe Ortiz and says, hey, I'm gonna trade you eleven
Speaker 1: and twenty seven. All right, I'm gonna get eleven and
Speaker 1: twenty three for number four from the Vikings. I want
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior. And all I'm doing is moving up
Speaker 1: four spots from twenty seven to twenty three. I'm giving
Speaker 1: you our second first rounder. I'm giving you eleven. I'm
Speaker 1: coming back to five, and I'm taking Marvin Harrison. And
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your two first rounders that you were
Speaker 1: passed over for because we did the deal with the Vikings.
Speaker 1: So you're still getting to You're just picking four slots late.
Speaker 1: It makes too much sense. It makes way too much
Speaker 1: sense for the Cardinals to do that knowing that it
Speaker 1: feels like the Chargers want more picks and for them
Speaker 1: and they may say you.
Speaker 2: Got to clip this, man, Hey, we got to clip this.
Speaker 2: If this happens, and if.
Speaker 1: I were Joe Ortiz, I would think about saying, you
Speaker 1: know what, how about this? How about you keep twenty seven.
Speaker 1: You can have five and twenty three and twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I want your second and your third, give me eleven,
Speaker 1: your two and your three, and now they can maybe
Speaker 1: get out with you know, eleven and thirty four, or
Speaker 1: it would be thirty six, thirty seven and two and
Speaker 1: they now they have a one, two, two's, two threes,
Speaker 1: two fours. How about that? How about that to get
Speaker 1: things started for this team? It just to me, it
Speaker 1: lines up. It's too obvious that it works out that way.
Speaker 1: And at eleven, you can take maybe the number one corner.
Speaker 1: You can take one of your offensive linemen that are
Speaker 1: likely graded very closely to one another, be it Alt
Speaker 1: and Fuaga and Fetanu and Latham whomever that may be, Forshanu,
Speaker 1: whoever that may be. Or you can take Quenya Mitchell
Speaker 1: the number one corner. You could take one of the dns.
Speaker 1: There's so you can take Blake, you can take brock Bowers,
Speaker 1: maybe a Donesday slides Like to me, it just it's
Speaker 1: so obvious, It is so obvious to me that that's
Speaker 1: how this thing should play out.
Speaker 2: We so there's a there's a clip circulating this week.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's been around for a while, but it
Speaker 2: was Badia support last year on the phones. Did you
Speaker 2: see that? It's it's a it's a three minute clip
Speaker 2: money where he is doing the trade with Houston. He's
Speaker 2: on the phone with Detroit and it's like, it's just
Speaker 2: it's theater. It's three and a half minutes. And this
Speaker 2: is kind of an amazing insight into the war room
Speaker 2: and maybe what the Chargers are going to be doing
Speaker 2: all draft night, minutes before they select, and you know,
Speaker 2: like your deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're Rikers. It's exactly what he did last year.
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing. They wanted Paris Johnson and
Speaker 1: they were like whatever, they still got their guy. They
Speaker 1: added a first. They would do the exact same thing
Speaker 1: this year. I haven't seen it yet, but that's I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought it up because that's exactly the scenario
Speaker 1: that I am painting. And it just makes right, am
Speaker 1: I crazy? It makes way too much sense.
Speaker 2: It does, especially if you want to build your team.
Speaker 2: Now I will because we have so many Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: Junior questions. Okay, well listen and I get it. You
Speaker 2: are enamored with Marvin Harrison junior or myliite neighbors. How
Speaker 2: realistic would it be for the Chargers to take mylaque
Speaker 2: neighbors if Marvin Harrison Junior is still on the board
Speaker 2: at five, Well, you just laid out the reason for
Speaker 2: trading out. I went back and listen to or I
Speaker 2: read an article. This is after Ohio State in Michigan
Speaker 2: played and Minter did a masterful job on kind of
Speaker 2: limiting Marvin Harrison Junior. He still got his But Jesse Minner,
Speaker 2: this was a quote for Jesse Minner about Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2: He's probably one of the best college receivers in the
Speaker 2: last fifteen to twenty years, one of the best NFL
Speaker 2: draft prospects at that position in a long time. So
Speaker 2: that's Jesse Minner saying that Jim Harball, he's a great player,
Speaker 2: gotta be covered. You gotta slow him down is probably
Speaker 2: the better word. So I agree with you. I think
Speaker 2: that they need to build this roster route and get
Speaker 2: as many guys as possible if you don't have a
Speaker 2: trade partner, though, I just wonder if the connection to
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior through that game and playing in the
Speaker 2: Big Ten is enough to be like, you know what,
Speaker 2: we know this guy's work ethic. He was unbelievably impossible
Speaker 2: to guard. If he's on our team with Justin Herbert, Wow,
Speaker 2: But what if Joe Ortiz likes Malik neighbors or roam
Speaker 2: with Dunsee better. You know, I just think that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of questions that we don't know inside that
Speaker 2: war room about what number five is. But going back
Speaker 2: to your last point, I can see them trying to
Speaker 2: trade out and really building this roster route at a
Speaker 2: myriad of positions, maybe in favor of one of those
Speaker 2: top three guys.
Speaker 1: So look, I always feel like I have to explain
Speaker 1: myself because people get so upset at the idea of
Speaker 1: them not taking one of these three. Yeah, So I'll
Speaker 1: lay it out like this. You know, I have I
Speaker 1: have scar tissue. I have Jim Harbaughs scar tissue because
Speaker 1: I've I lived it like I lived it. I lived
Speaker 1: it when I called college football games, and it's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest things I've ever seen. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm calling the game nationally. I'm a neutral.
Speaker 1: I'm calling the game neutral. And it never bled through.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It never bled through on the broadcast.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you right now, in my heart
Speaker 1: and in my football soul what I wanted, and I
Speaker 1: wanted Stanford to win every game because it was fascinating
Speaker 1: to me to watch. I had called all these Pac
Speaker 1: twelve games with all this finesse on the field and
Speaker 1: wide receivers and spread it out and air it out.
Speaker 1: And Jim Harbass showed up at Stanford and simply said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bust your ass up. We are gonna come
Speaker 1: in here, and it's a pain in the ass to recruit,
Speaker 1: and I can't get the athletes that you have. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all your five star wide receivers and
Speaker 1: your fancy play on the edges running back, and I
Speaker 1: am going to get the best olignement and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get guys that want to fight, and we are going
Speaker 1: to beat the living hell out of you and you're
Speaker 1: gonna quit. And I watch and it happened on and
Speaker 1: Lorenzo didn't mean to say it, but he said it,
Speaker 1: and it it just hit me. He's like you know.
Speaker 1: And he didn't mean to make a point as he
Speaker 1: said it. He said, I love hearing this, you know,
Speaker 1: because the NFL has become such a finest league. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm reliving this like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: reliving it right now. I can remember talking to coach
Speaker 1: on the field with Curtis Conway, who's doing the games
Speaker 1: with me, and him just talking about it's finesse league, man.
Speaker 1: No one's no one's finesse conference. No one's built to
Speaker 1: slow us down. They're all playing with five defensive backs
Speaker 1: out there. These linebackers are two hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 1: and he would go out credit card alignment with six
Speaker 1: tozer linemen, three or you know, two tight ends, a back,
Speaker 1: of full back, and a quarter and he would run
Speaker 1: it down their throats and he would punish them. And
Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh has looked at the NFL and
Speaker 1: has said they're not ready for it. Man, they can't
Speaker 1: handle it. They don't have the personnel. They got two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pound safeties playing linebacker right now. They
Speaker 1: will not be able to contend with what we are
Speaker 1: going to put them through for sixty minutes. So I
Speaker 1: just for me, it's hard to envision how a wide
Speaker 1: receiver fits in to that vision as a priority. That's
Speaker 1: and again it's me. It's total bias. I acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: It's because I lived it, and I watched that Stanford
Speaker 1: team as a forty nine point underdog upset USC, and
Speaker 1: I watched them bend the Trojans and end their reign
Speaker 1: because of their physical prowess and their will. And I
Speaker 1: just I can't help but think he's trying to redo it.
Speaker 2: He very well could be. I'll ask you this though,
Speaker 2: because Justin Herb is a different animal, Justin Herbert in
Speaker 2: his arm. And I think it's very realistic to think
Speaker 2: that if you get rid of Keenan Allen and Mike
Speaker 2: Williams and you look at a generational wide receiver, which
Speaker 2: Jessemitter said fifteen twenty years, haven't seen a guy like him,
Speaker 2: and you could pair him on a rookie contract with
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert while still trying to build that team. I
Speaker 2: think that that's probably the one thing that I look
Speaker 2: at where I agree one hundred percent with you, But
Speaker 2: I think Justin Herbert is the outlier here. Is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we've never had a quarterback like him, who could stretch
Speaker 2: the field too, like you could play a number of
Speaker 2: different ways, and we have to pack a running game,
Speaker 2: we have to be aggressive at physical. But if you
Speaker 2: give Justin Herbert Marvin Harrison for the next decade and
Speaker 2: we're still able to accomplish all of that later in
Speaker 2: the draft and throughout free agency over the next couple
Speaker 2: of years, that's the only area that kind of gives
Speaker 2: me pause and says that, says man, maybe at five
Speaker 2: it does make sense to get a Harrison or a
Speaker 2: Neighbors because of the quarterback, and we can still build
Speaker 2: all of that. But just knowing that you're taking one
Speaker 2: of the best players in the draft, like the number
Speaker 2: two or three or four best player in the draft
Speaker 2: at five, That's where I'm a little conflicted. I see
Speaker 2: both sides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So here, I'll play the side. Listen, everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna love you on this podcast. They're all gonna hate me.
Speaker 1: And it's fine.
Speaker 2: No, that's not the attention.
Speaker 1: Fine, it's not the attention. Lay the other side of this,
Speaker 1: because so here's the way I push back on that.
Speaker 1: Would you rather take Marvin Harrison at five and then
Speaker 1: get a tackle that probably doesn't have thirty four inch arms,
Speaker 1: might have to be kicked inside, or maybe has a
Speaker 1: you know, is a little bit of a wastebender and
Speaker 1: we got to work on his technique. Or would you
Speaker 1: rather get the elite prospect and in the second round,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Xavier Legett. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: six foot three, two hundred and twenty five pounds guy
Speaker 1: looks like Deebo Samuel out there, looks like Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 1: out there. Like that's the thing is the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: They have proven it is. It has been proven year
Speaker 1: after year after year, as recent as last year, you know,
Speaker 1: as recent as last year with Rashi Rice and Tank
Speaker 1: Dell and Kuka Nakua. You can find them. There are
Speaker 1: very very few offensive linemen, corners, defensive line that you're
Speaker 1: gonna find. There are some, but very few, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. There are every single year we have
Speaker 1: this conversation about wide receivers. DK Metcalf second, AJ Brown
Speaker 1: second round. You know, it's Cooper Cup third round. Like
Speaker 1: the best receivers, you know, some of the best receivers
Speaker 1: are found Brandon Ayuk late first round, you know, Nuke
Speaker 1: Hopkins late first round, justin Jefferson twenty third pick. Like,
Speaker 1: it's just there is such a wealth of history that
Speaker 1: says you can find because like that's what football's become,
Speaker 1: right football If you have little kids, if you're listening
Speaker 1: and you're growing up in the Friday night Lights era,
Speaker 1: you're not growing up in the Pop Warner era. It is.
Speaker 1: It is flag football, which is great. It is wide receivers.
Speaker 1: There are no running backs in Friday night lights. There
Speaker 1: are no linemen in Friday night lights. For the most part.
Speaker 1: Everybody's just running out, So we are pumping out wide receivers.
Speaker 1: There are so many of them, you know, with the
Speaker 1: the just the pardon the pun the spread of the
Speaker 1: spread offense and how you know it used to be
Speaker 1: you know how mummy and just a handful of these
Speaker 1: schools that ran the spread. Well, now everybody's spread out
Speaker 1: and throwing it all over the yard. There are so
Speaker 1: many wide receivers that are coming in and there are
Speaker 1: so few offensive linemen that are at I remember, I
Speaker 1: can't remember who the shoot. I wish I could remember
Speaker 1: who it was. The Rams took them number two overall
Speaker 1: out of Baylor. The tackle and I remember when they
Speaker 1: took them.
Speaker 2: I said, Saint Louis when they were Saint Louis, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: when they were in Saint Loue.
Speaker 1: But I remember when they drafted him, I said, Baylor,
Speaker 1: these linemen have to hold their blocks for a second,
Speaker 1: maybe a second and a half. Why would you try.
Speaker 1: I don't cure athletic he is. The guy hasn't had
Speaker 1: to hold the block for more than a beat. You know,
Speaker 1: you have no idea what he's gonna be. So that's
Speaker 1: why when you talk about the likes of Fuaga and
Speaker 1: Joe Alt and Latham, these pro style offenses where these
Speaker 1: dudes were busting tail the whole game, I think that
Speaker 1: has so much value. And there is this there is
Speaker 1: you know, like if we go back to Quinton Ghine,
Speaker 1: I'll rap with this. I know I'm going on too
Speaker 1: much here. You know, if you look back to Quinton Johnston, like,
Speaker 1: there's no defensive backs in the tight big twelve, you know,
Speaker 1: there's none. They don't put corners in the league. They
Speaker 1: spread it out. They throw it real quick, that ball
Speaker 1: is out and you're gone. Like there's very little precision
Speaker 1: and route running. And it's just it's such a different game.
Speaker 1: It's such a different sport, So I think the idea
Speaker 1: of identifying offenses offensive lineman play in this style, it's
Speaker 1: a much easier bit of guesswork, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why you see first rounders be so successful at that
Speaker 1: position group and there be this wide variance in the
Speaker 1: wide receiver group because it's such a different sport from
Speaker 1: college to the NFL. But blocking pro style blocking is
Speaker 1: what it is, and it's easier to kind of get
Speaker 1: a gauge on, Okay, this guy's good, this guy we
Speaker 1: got to work on, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that if you
Speaker 2: don't take a receiver of five, it will require a
Speaker 2: trade out to get the tackle. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you take a tackle at five, because I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's a consensus right tackle that's you could identify
Speaker 2: that early. But you know, we talked about all the
Speaker 2: trading up for quarterbacks. It wouldn't shock be in the
Speaker 2: least if somebody wanted to trade up for Marvin Harrison junior.
Speaker 2: That cardinal scenario that you laid out. I could see
Speaker 2: that happening. I could see a lot of teams with
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Now, the Texans just got Stefan Diggs. Like Buffalo,
Speaker 2: It'd be a little too risk for Buffalo to move
Speaker 2: up high because at least they pick a twenty eight,
Speaker 2: they don't really have a they don't have enough ammunition
Speaker 2: to get up there. But there are teams that I
Speaker 2: could see wanting a Marvin Harrison, Judor or Eleague Neighbors
Speaker 2: at five too.
Speaker 1: That's why the Cardinals thing makes so much sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they lose nothing. They lose nothing in the deal.
Speaker 1: What they do is they gain four spots in the
Speaker 1: first round. It's like, hey, we're we got arguably the
Speaker 1: best player in the draft according to a lot of
Speaker 1: the people that rate players, and we went from twenty
Speaker 1: seven to twenty three to do it. Pretty good deal
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: That's why the buddy, That's why there's so much I
Speaker 2: think buzz among Charger fans and maybe some disagreement because
Speaker 2: both both scenarios make sense, right, Like if it was
Speaker 2: just one slam dug scenario, everybody like, yeah, just take
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 2: But I think you realize that there's a lot of
Speaker 2: holes on this team, and if you want to build
Speaker 2: a team the right way, it requires a lot of
Speaker 2: draft picks and getting guys early in this system on
Speaker 2: rookie deals. So that's why I think that there's so
Speaker 2: much excitement about what they're going to do at five
Speaker 2: because there's no like cookie cutter answer as to what
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, if you run the ball well and
Speaker 1: and the way Hayden Hurst explained it when asked like, well,
Speaker 1: how does this you know, how does this play into
Speaker 1: having Justin Herbert as your quarterback? And he was just
Speaker 1: almost insulted by the question. He's like, how does it play?
Speaker 1: It's like when you're running a ball down somebody's throat.
Speaker 1: They got comit resources and the second they have to
Speaker 1: do that, we now got one on ones. These are
Speaker 1: NFL receivers you're talking about. They're gonna win their one
Speaker 1: on ones. And you've got Justin Herbert throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: and now the defense is a disaster. Their brains are
Speaker 1: twisted into a pretzel. Do we commit to slow it
Speaker 1: on the run because they're they're busting us up running
Speaker 1: the ball for six yards of carry, or do we
Speaker 1: now have to send safety help because Josh Palmer, whatever
Speaker 1: receiver is out there, is winning his one on ones
Speaker 1: like he always does, Like That's that's the thing, you know,
Speaker 1: is it. We've talked about it. He made a j
Speaker 1: he made AJ Geiden and T Billy, he made them
Speaker 1: household names for Charger fans. Yeah, because there were one
Speaker 1: on ones, you know, and and guys were you know,
Speaker 1: another team's had to commit to Hunter Henry and Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen and Mike Williams. And then he just attacked the
Speaker 1: one on one. So that's that's how you work. And
Speaker 1: again again, I go for people. I'm not understand. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to question, you know, the scouting validity of
Speaker 1: our folk, of the people listening that are asking the questions.
Speaker 1: But just before you get too enamored with Harrison a
Speaker 1: doonsay or neighbors, do yourself a favor and go watch
Speaker 1: some keyon Coleman. I like Xavier Legett to me, man,
Speaker 1: that dude is a man. He is tossing sec dudes
Speaker 1: always all place. Like go watch Roman Wilson. Watch how
Speaker 1: he snatches the ball and stride. He never gathers, he
Speaker 1: never breaks speed. You know, go watch some of the Projecteds,
Speaker 1: watch Addie Mitchell out of Texas. Watch Xavier Worthy and
Speaker 1: that four to two speed. You know, in press, shaking
Speaker 1: some press and getting down the sideline and think about it. Macaukey,
Speaker 1: I like that McConkey. I mean, he's just a jitterbug.
Speaker 1: Guys everywhere change the direction on a dit like So
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm saying, before you get too
Speaker 1: locked in. Just this is a really deep group and
Speaker 1: just envision you know what. I could see that. I
Speaker 1: could see that key On Coleman working out. I could
Speaker 1: see that Roman Wilson working out. Like you know, there
Speaker 1: are other players. Some one of these receivers from the
Speaker 1: second round is gonna have a borderline Pro Bowl season.
Speaker 1: I promise you, I promise you it's gonna happen. They're
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted into the right circumstance and they're gonna
Speaker 1: put up a thousand yards and six touchdowns. It's gonna
Speaker 1: happen because it does every.
Speaker 2: Year, guys like Roman Wilson, Franklin at Oregon. There's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of different wide receivers there. Man, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit you with a trio of Jesse Minner questions.
Speaker 2: But first double m this this kind of fits in nicely.
Speaker 2: I know he's being sarcastic here because Christmas, so many
Speaker 2: draft experts on X did know how to fix the
Speaker 2: charges that picked number five. Why are none of them
Speaker 2: currently employed in the league. That's that's He's just play
Speaker 2: it to what's been happening over the last few weeks
Speaker 2: about Charger fans. And you know what, that's why I say,
Speaker 2: let Joe Ortiz and Jim Harball do the thing right, like, Look,
Speaker 2: they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: If he's speaking, look I'll say this, I know we're
Speaker 1: having a little fun. But if he's speaking to the
Speaker 1: people in the media, they're good at what they do.
Speaker 1: They're really good at what they do. You know, our
Speaker 1: our friends Dane and Jordan and obviously DJ and all
Speaker 1: the they commit a ton of time and they watch
Speaker 1: a ton of film, and yes it's their opinion, but
Speaker 1: I value their opinions. I respect their opinions. They know
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more about it than I do.
Speaker 1: As I said, I am coming from a different place.
Speaker 2: I think he's referring to all the everybody who's on
Speaker 2: xactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And what I would say to them is what I
Speaker 1: just said. Go watch everyone, Yeah, go watch Joe alt Stone.
Speaker 1: Guys play after play, go watch fu Waga wreck a
Speaker 1: defensive end and then find a linebacker and send them
Speaker 1: into the third row. Then find a safety and send
Speaker 1: him back to his mom. Like that guy sets a tone,
Speaker 1: and I go watch the quick and soft and fluid
Speaker 1: feet of Graham Barton, Like, don't let go watch brock Bauers.
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers wins games for Georgia, goes out there and
Speaker 1: wins games. Is a tight end in the SEC? Like
Speaker 1: this is not a three person draft. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a one person draft. It's you can get
Speaker 1: excited about so many of those different players that do
Speaker 1: so many Go watch Quinya Mitchell Man, watch that dude,
Speaker 1: Like there's there's a lot of things you can watch
Speaker 1: beyond just Marvin Harris in eight minutes of highlights, no doubt.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go Ryder Die Chargers. What are the
Speaker 2: non negotiable needs that have to be addressed on Mentor's
Speaker 2: defense to succeed. I'm going to rip off a couple more,
Speaker 2: John Boykin, I'm concerned about the middle of the defense
Speaker 2: front to back, but especially d line and middle linebacker.
Speaker 2: Personal changes will continue, But is there anything about Mintor's
Speaker 2: scheme that should make me feel better. And then finally,
Speaker 2: what positions This is from Steven Gillard. What positions do
Speaker 2: you believe are most important for Minster to operate his defense?
Speaker 2: How does the current roster sit at said position? So
Speaker 2: there's a lot there, and I'll start with the fact
Speaker 2: that he has Tully Khalil and Joey. Now, if you
Speaker 2: go back to Michigan when they had a Jabo and
Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson and how they got after the quarterback with pressures.
Speaker 2: They didn't have the caliber of defensive ends the following year,
Speaker 2: but they were able to get a lot of pressure
Speaker 2: with their defensive tackle. So what that shows me is
Speaker 2: that Jesse Minter is adaptable. He could be versatile, and
Speaker 2: he will play to the strengths of the defense. He
Speaker 2: wants attacking intelligent players the middle linebacker position. Obviously, Denzel
Speaker 2: Perryman's in the mix. I'm very fascinated to see what
Speaker 2: they do with Henley Money and then building up that
Speaker 2: defensive line. We'll see what he's able to do with
Speaker 2: the guys who are currently on the roster. I listened
Speaker 2: to some of the he had like a coach tape
Speaker 2: or some sort of session on YouTube where he talked
Speaker 2: about the differences in the college game versus the pro game.
Speaker 2: So right off the bat, he knows that the NFL
Speaker 2: is a different animal. It's a different beast, and every
Speaker 2: personnel on offense is different in the NFL, he says,
Speaker 2: in college, it was more about the volume of plays, like, hey,
Speaker 2: we can throw away a play if we don't, if
Speaker 2: we get two yards, whatever, we'll run another play. We're
Speaker 2: running a high volume of plays, whereas the NFL, every
Speaker 2: play matters and you're trying to be perfect on every
Speaker 2: single play. So I think that Jesse Mitz are keenly
Speaker 2: aware of the differences in the college game versus the
Speaker 2: pro game. And it just seems like even looking at
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's defense money at Baltimore, just how they're able
Speaker 2: to disguise things and make things maybe easier on the players,
Speaker 2: but make it look more confusing to the offense. That's
Speaker 2: where the talent scheme and will kind of come into play.
Speaker 2: I think Jesse Minter's scheme is really going to maximize
Speaker 2: some of these players' strengths on the Chargers defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Chris, I don't think it's by coincidence
Speaker 1: that Joey and Khalil are back and and Mike and
Speaker 1: Keenan aren't. I think, you know, you need to have
Speaker 1: that passer. You know, is he talked about you mentioned
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't Aiden Hutchinson, it wasn't Quinnie Pey,
Speaker 1: it wasn't David Ajabo that was there last year. You know,
Speaker 1: those those d ns are not first round picks. So
Speaker 1: he had to do a lot of that disguising five guys,
Speaker 1: six guys. They don't know where the pressure is coming from.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just stunts, it was that, you know, you
Speaker 1: got three guys flood on one side and so and
Speaker 1: on the other side. You're just filling spots, you know,
Speaker 1: from your linebackers, from your safeties, your nickels. You know.
Speaker 1: So I think the one thing that he needs is
Speaker 1: smart players. You know, you need players that are comfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, learning a defense that has some rules and
Speaker 1: play calls that have some rules, and your eyes are
Speaker 1: going to have to tell you what your assignment is.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to feel things out a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, is that back in leak out into the
Speaker 1: flat or is he going to stay in pass protect?
Speaker 1: Is what's that tight end doing? That's attached. Is he
Speaker 1: gonna leak you know, like there's because because this guy's
Speaker 1: vacating and he's gonna be wide open for twenty yards
Speaker 1: down the scene. Unless I know that that's what I
Speaker 1: see and that's now where I have to go play,
Speaker 1: It's not I don't think it's nearly as complex as
Speaker 1: what Brandon Staley was doing, where every single play had
Speaker 1: like five different answers to it and players said they
Speaker 1: just got so in their own heads it was hard
Speaker 1: for them to execute. It's not like that. I think
Speaker 1: he's still calling the play and this is the play
Speaker 1: we're gonna execute because this is what we think is
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But so I think you need smart players.
Speaker 1: I definitely think they need corners. I think you need
Speaker 1: some corners. I have faith in a Loewi and Derwin
Speaker 1: as the two safeties. I think maybe, you know, if J. T. Woods,
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to see this this strength coach, Maybe
Speaker 1: get him, get him built up a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: get get him built up and see if you can
Speaker 1: get you know, that production back that we saw at
Speaker 1: Baylor where you had what six interceptions in a season
Speaker 1: to lead the NC DOUAA. So certainly he's got the eyes,
Speaker 1: just got to get built up a little bit. So
Speaker 1: linebacker's obvious. I feel like, just because we know about
Speaker 1: the injuries to Denzel Perriman, so I and the good
Speaker 1: news is off ball linebackers, you can look, there's one
Speaker 1: I got. If they can do that deal with the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and I'll and I'll roll the dice. And I know
Speaker 1: it may seem crazy to roll the dice because he's
Speaker 1: got two knees, an ankle, and two shoulders, but man,
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson looks an awful lot like like Luke Keikley,
Speaker 1: and he is as as athletic, he is as smart.
Speaker 1: He's a tackling machine. You just see some of the
Speaker 1: reads that he has all the TFLs. I think he
Speaker 1: had like eighteen TFLs last year. Like he's gonna be
Speaker 1: there in the second round. So if you can do
Speaker 1: that sort of deal that we talked about, where you say,
Speaker 1: now you guys keep twenty seven, we'll go we'll take
Speaker 1: one of your two's and one of your threes, since
Speaker 1: you already got two of each, and now you're talking
Speaker 1: about picking up that kind of linebacker. That to me
Speaker 1: is I think that's probably the level. And also they
Speaker 1: need some beef in the middle. I love Tito, loves
Speaker 1: Scott Matt Locke, but I think if you can maybe
Speaker 1: find some and some meat in that middle there. Look,
Speaker 1: their pass rush packages are going to be incredible. When
Speaker 1: when you're able to put Joey Bosa too, Lee Morgan,
Speaker 1: Fox and Khalil Mack is your front four, it's going
Speaker 1: to be incredible.
Speaker 2: That's where they're That's where is gonna make his money,
Speaker 2: no doubt. Hey, speaking of corners, a couple of quarter
Speaker 2: questions before we get to them, though, I was I
Speaker 2: joined the Charges Chat podcast last week. He asked me
Speaker 2: a great question about what Michigan player would you want,
Speaker 2: you know, in like let's say like the second or
Speaker 2: third round, And I said, uh, Sander's still uh yeah,
Speaker 2: the nickel corner. But then I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: well what about Chris Jenkins? And I said, oh man,
Speaker 2: well what about Junior Coleson. You know, like there's there's
Speaker 2: three players on each level of that Michigan defense that
Speaker 2: I think would be just absolutely incredible for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: So let's let's get into this question real quick. What
Speaker 2: quarter are we drafting in a what round money and
Speaker 2: then hey, Chris, love to show with you a money question.
Speaker 2: The current quarterback room is average to say the least.
Speaker 2: Who are some free agent corners that Chargers should bring in.
Speaker 2: I don't feel optimistic if this is the room come September.
Speaker 2: So uh, I guess corner from both the age draft.
Speaker 1: And so so I talked about Quinnon, Mitchell and Terry
Speaker 1: and Arnold, theyll seem like the top two. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, Nate Wiggins, he's got the speed and he's
Speaker 1: got the length. He's just he's not very big, he's
Speaker 1: not very needy. And to me, like, I think they
Speaker 1: need corners that can tackle, you know, and that are physical.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of where the Terry and
Speaker 1: Arnold Quinyon Mitchell come in. Where if you trade you know,
Speaker 1: and if you if you do trade back that I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be a very a very real
Speaker 1: conversation do we. I know, you want the O line
Speaker 1: and you want to build that physicality up front, but
Speaker 1: we need corners and we can get the best in
Speaker 1: this in this draft. Here at eleven, he's still sitting here,
Speaker 1: whether it's Mitchell Wiggins. I just think Wiggins is too small.
Speaker 1: You know, he's I'm looking at the measurements now, he's
Speaker 1: listed six one one seventy three. I just don't like.
Speaker 1: To me, I look at at Mitchell, you know, six
Speaker 1: foot one ninety five, Terrian six foot one ninety Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's more of what you know. Cooper to
Speaker 1: Gene six foot two oh three. Like to me, those
Speaker 1: are the style of course. So if they let's say
Speaker 1: they get that late for now, Now, how are you feeling?
Speaker 1: Do you want you want Marvin Harrison at five or
Speaker 1: would you rather take the best right tackle in JC
Speaker 1: Latham to pay, you know, a massive human being to
Speaker 1: pair with ra Shaun Slater And then you get Cooper
Speaker 1: to Gen at twenty seven, and now you've got a
Speaker 1: starting corner that's big, that's physical, you know, that fits
Speaker 1: the style that they want to play. Like to me,
Speaker 1: you know, there's Rakestraw, there's Lassiter that are at the
Speaker 1: top of that second round maybe. But the one thing
Speaker 1: about corners you got to be careful of is there's
Speaker 1: going to be a run on them, because there always is,
Speaker 1: you know, like you kind of get that top one
Speaker 1: out of the way and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like corner corner, corner corner because they're premium positions
Speaker 1: and typically teams at the back end are really good
Speaker 1: teams and they know you need corners. Like the Vikings
Speaker 1: right under Zim every year they drafted a corner in
Speaker 1: the first or second round because they're like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what we need, this is the this is the
Speaker 1: league we play in. So Max Melton, I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at some right now. You know you mentioned sand Verstill
Speaker 1: there's Max Melton. Not a Rutgers is another good one
Speaker 1: that could be a second at Lassiter has kind of
Speaker 1: been mocked in that second round range, so they're out
Speaker 1: there for sure. But I think the one thing I
Speaker 1: would point out, it's gonna have to be a physical
Speaker 1: corner that can tackle. And just think back to the
Speaker 1: playoff game in Jacksonville. Right here comes Travis Ntien. Can
Speaker 1: you make the tackle and win the game or you're
Speaker 1: gonna get run over? Here comes Josh Jacobs Week eighteen,
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Can you make the tackle or are you
Speaker 1: gonna get run over? It's not just cover skills, it's
Speaker 1: not just length, it's not just speed. Can you make
Speaker 1: the tackle.
Speaker 2: So that's I'm so glad you mentioned with those games,
Speaker 2: because it's exactly what we're talking about on April second, Yeah,
Speaker 2: fourth quarter week eighteen, with the chance to go to
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Are you gonna win the You're gonna win
Speaker 2: the matchup or not. You're in Jacksonville with the chance
Speaker 2: to go to kids the city for a divisional round,
Speaker 2: a playoff game against an opponent that you have had
Speaker 2: success against, an Arrowhead at least, it comes down to
Speaker 2: one play and can you make the play? And those
Speaker 2: are the types of players that they're trying to identify. Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I love the idea of if you trade back, get
Speaker 2: a corner at eleven, and then at twenty seven, take
Speaker 2: best available player. So somebody asked if if Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: let's say Brian Thomas from LSU was there at twenty seven,
Speaker 2: it may be too late for him at twenty seven,
Speaker 2: maybe too early at eleven, but you never know, you
Speaker 2: know that that twenty seven would be really the wildcard
Speaker 2: there as far as take just best player for your team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like that's why I mentioned the gad, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's to me, that's the guy that kind of
Speaker 1: fits the profile, you know, the big physical he's gonna
Speaker 1: block you up something good. If when you're running and
Speaker 1: he's gonna bust you up. If you if you try
Speaker 1: to tackle him too high, you better get him low
Speaker 1: because you gonna run over you. Like, that's where that
Speaker 1: comes in. Yeah, I could look, the Ravens drafted a
Speaker 1: ton of first round with receivers, you know, they just
Speaker 1: they just drafted Zay Flowers for Shod Paramant. Uh shoot,
Speaker 1: help me out here were Shod Bateman. Like there's a
Speaker 1: massively Hollywood brown like they drafted. It's not like they
Speaker 1: don't draft receivers in the first round. They do, so
Speaker 1: it could totally happen. I think it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of what. Remember they were doing that when their fronts
Speaker 1: were set. You know, they already had their fronts. Their
Speaker 1: fronts were great, you know, because they're so good at
Speaker 1: filling those positions. And it's like, yeah, now's now, let's
Speaker 1: fill in, Victor.
Speaker 2: With all the focus on Minnesota moving up, do you
Speaker 2: guys think the charges would be willing to allow the
Speaker 2: Broncos or Raiders to move up if the trade compensation
Speaker 2: was massive? Or is it Minnesota or a bust at five?
Speaker 2: Very very good question, Victor. I don't know. But the
Speaker 2: way that coach Harbaugh speaks about JJ McCarthy leads me
Speaker 2: to believe that he would want JJ McCarthy in the
Speaker 2: AFC West. So I guess it would depend on trade
Speaker 2: compensation money. But I'm not sure Jim is willing to
Speaker 2: give an Todio piersa Sean Payton JJ McCarthy and have
Speaker 2: to face him twice a year based on the rave
Speaker 2: reviews that he's given him of alast couple of months.
Speaker 1: No doubt. Now for me personally, yeah, I got no problem.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I got the best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league. I'm good. I got I got Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna give me next year's one and
Speaker 1: a one and a two from this year and you
Speaker 1: want to jump up, and I feel like at twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen, I'm gonna get a really good player. And
Speaker 1: this is you know, Tom Teleusco used to say all
Speaker 1: the time, right when we would talk to him about
Speaker 1: the draft, guys, remember this is not about you know,
Speaker 1: I'll just say it for this year. This isn't about
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. This is about twenty four to twenty five, six,
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty eight, that's what we're that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about here. So to be to some degree
Speaker 1: short sighted, I think it's it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I am now gonna get an extra one. In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, I'm gonna get an extra two and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Those are players that I can now put into
Speaker 1: my system for the next five years. I'm doing a
Speaker 1: three for one here. Now, you know, the cautionary tail
Speaker 1: is don't ever forget who traded that draft pick to
Speaker 1: the Chiefs that they use to select Patrick Mahomes. It's
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and it has tortured them Skins. They
Speaker 1: decided to make that move. So you know, I guess
Speaker 1: there's your cautionary tail.
Speaker 2: All right. This is from I think it's Hanan Dairy.
Speaker 2: Apologies if I got that wrong. And a stick and
Speaker 2: pick scenario, all right, he's giving us no choice. Now
Speaker 2: you gotta stick a pick five thirty seven, sixty nine
Speaker 2: one O four one ten. Uh, give me, give me
Speaker 2: your off the top mock draft money if you have
Speaker 2: to stick. I know we're going really deep here, but
Speaker 2: let's let's just do five thirty seven and sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Let's see the first three.
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you if you stick at five,
Speaker 1: you know what would I do. I look, I'm a
Speaker 1: best player available guy. So yeah, so if I'm stuck
Speaker 1: at five, I'm taking the wide receiver. If I just
Speaker 1: I feel like which are taking? Well, if it's five,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming all the quarterbacks are gone because you're not
Speaker 1: trading out, so all the quarterbacks are gone. No one
Speaker 1: wants to give you what you want for Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1: So we're taking Marvin Harrison at five. That's, to me,
Speaker 1: the obvious answer. I just feel like his grade is
Speaker 1: probably going to be higher than anybody else, any tackle,
Speaker 1: any corner. You know, Harrison's going to have a not
Speaker 1: considerably but a large enough, you know, margin between him
Speaker 1: and the next player. That's who we're taking.
Speaker 2: I'm always more intrigued about thirty seven, actually, like because
Speaker 2: the beginning, like that Friday is fascinating because there's gonna
Speaker 2: be guys that you thought were first rounders that are
Speaker 2: going to go off the board right away, and the
Speaker 2: Chargers pick at the top of that second round. Thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if I'm taking ride receiver in the
Speaker 1: first she's I guess what am I doing? Let me
Speaker 1: just kind of I don't know if there's an old
Speaker 1: lignment that I would like there. I'm looking now, I
Speaker 1: mean because I would prefer So let's say this, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, because I believe so much in this
Speaker 1: coaching staff. If he were there, I would take Kingsley
Speaker 1: Sumtaya out of BYU. He go back and go and
Speaker 1: watch some of him. That is a massive human being
Speaker 1: that does some serious damage to defenders. So let's say
Speaker 1: I think he could probably be there. I think he
Speaker 1: very well. I don't think Rahm Barton will be there.
Speaker 1: In talking to some people, I feel like I can
Speaker 1: get the center a little bit later. I can get
Speaker 1: the center in the third or the fourth round. So
Speaker 1: I so let's do that. So let's do sumata Iya
Speaker 1: Suamataiya in the second, Harrison in the first, and you
Speaker 1: know what in the third. I'm just gonna say, what,
Speaker 1: what's my number? In the third? I have? I think
Speaker 1: I can get Peyton Wilson. I think I get Peyton
Speaker 1: Wilson in the in the third, I think I can.
Speaker 1: And I, like I said, I'm gonna roll the dice.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll the dice. On the medicals. It's not good,
Speaker 1: but at least the last two years, he's been for
Speaker 1: the most part healthy. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson in the third and cross my fingers that
Speaker 1: he stays healthy and that enough people were scared off
Speaker 1: by the medicals. And I'm a good at least seven
Speaker 1: eight years of high level you know, maybe not quite
Speaker 1: Luke keith Ley esque, but but some incredible linebacker play.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you
Speaker 2: a variation of this question. If you had to take
Speaker 2: a Michigan man at thirty seven or sixty nine, which
Speaker 2: one would you take?
Speaker 1: I have to take him at each one, or I
Speaker 1: get to pick which one I'm gonna take.
Speaker 2: Pick which one?
Speaker 1: Pick which one I'm gonna take it later, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take it at sixty nine. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: sant Ruscill has probably moved himself into the second round,
Speaker 1: so I don't think he's gonna be there, but I
Speaker 1: can probably get Junior Colson at sixty nine. I think
Speaker 1: I can. I think that I think I could probably
Speaker 1: swing that. San Rystill's really smart, so I would consider
Speaker 1: that that might be, you know what, that may be
Speaker 1: the way i'd go yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, Baldy had a Blake Korm breakdown and he said, I,
Speaker 2: if blake Korm is there at sixty nine, this is
Speaker 2: the type of run he's gonna have. These are the
Speaker 2: types of runs he's counter runs. And it kind of
Speaker 2: got me fired up. I know that that running back, Yeah,
Speaker 2: compared to some of the other positions that that are
Speaker 2: of need on this team, those take priority over the
Speaker 2: running back. But blake Korm would be fun. But I
Speaker 2: do like, I don't know where Chris Jenkins is going
Speaker 2: to go, Like where do you think second round?
Speaker 1: I think third? No, I think I think the size
Speaker 1: is going to shove him down a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think just And that's the one issue, right is
Speaker 1: we're talking about how the Chargers kind of need to
Speaker 1: get that beef, you know, in the middle, and so
Speaker 1: I think that's where I don't quite know if if
Speaker 1: they're comfortable with that, you know, especially that hot Look,
Speaker 1: he's an incredible player, but I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think there's I'm just going I'm looking at the backs
Speaker 1: now because it's just hard. I'm old, I forget these things.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think about what Jordan he said
Speaker 1: to us about Braylen Allen. Uh, there's you know, Marshan Lloyd,
Speaker 1: who's kind of more of your catch out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: sort of back and and can really get people to
Speaker 1: but he's also a load, you know. So I think
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of bad you know. We we
Speaker 1: know they met with Ray Davis out at uh out
Speaker 1: at out at the Combine, So I think there's backs
Speaker 1: that they're they're going to be able to find. They
Speaker 1: got two fourths. I would be floored, floored if one
Speaker 1: of them is not used on a running back. To me,
Speaker 1: that seems like the sweet spot round of where they're
Speaker 1: gonna where they're gonna maybe go shopping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's do a couple more here and
Speaker 2: we can. We can punch some of these to next
Speaker 2: week because a lot of good ones.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Let's say we drafted tack on the first round. What
Speaker 2: happens to Pipkins? Well, Trey still has a year left
Speaker 2: on his deal, right.
Speaker 1: One year? Yeah, this year and next, I believe.
Speaker 2: First of all, before we go to trade, did you
Speaker 2: see Zion walk into the building.
Speaker 1: Look at that man, Jim, Jim there anymore? Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Jim. Meggan said this is before before Ben
Speaker 2: Herbert gets a hold of them. Dude, Mannyweather got a
Speaker 2: hold of him this spring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said it, you know, I've said it repeatedly,
Speaker 1: like I believe in him. I know he had a
Speaker 1: rough goal last year, but I you can't help but
Speaker 1: not recognize just how freaking huge that guy is. Like,
Speaker 1: and that's just a photo. When you stand next to him,
Speaker 1: it's like, geez, it's like standing next to a building.
Speaker 1: So you know, I they're they're this, This coaching staff
Speaker 1: is going to get their hands on them. You know,
Speaker 1: Ben Herbert's going to get him and and I'm expecting
Speaker 1: really big things from him. I most definitely am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked you the Trey question. Another Paul Paul
Speaker 2: asked about Tray too. I always thought Pipkins was a
Speaker 2: good run blocker but struggled in past pro with his
Speaker 2: cap hit would be more realistic to focus on receiver
Speaker 2: corner DT dependsive tackle in the first three rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think Trey has really struggled with
Speaker 1: run blocking. You know, remember there there's quite a while
Speaker 1: when it felt like we could only run to the
Speaker 1: left side. You know, the dam was only running behind
Speaker 1: Slater and Filer and that was all that was working.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I think there's also the
Speaker 1: end of that contract. And you know how expensive offensive
Speaker 1: linemen are, you know, like we said, this is not
Speaker 1: just for twenty twenty four. You know, these these first
Speaker 1: round selections are you know, they're their five year contracts
Speaker 1: at a discount. So you know, I think it's the
Speaker 1: idea of now, look, this is they just they are
Speaker 1: just getting their hands on these guys. You know, they
Speaker 1: they have the film, and the film tells you one story,
Speaker 1: but maybe it is coaching. You know, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why you know, Scarnekia and Callahan and and these guys. Shoot,
Speaker 1: Adam what's his name? Who was Shanahan's guy? I feel
Speaker 1: terrible because he's arguably the greatest that that's ever done it.
Speaker 1: But he got our friend year dad, Alex. But Alex
Speaker 1: Gibbs like, like, you know, there's there's a reason why
Speaker 1: offensive lineman thrive in certain systems because the offensive line
Speaker 1: coaches are really good. Like there's an old saying in
Speaker 1: football that the only the only position you can't fire
Speaker 1: as a head coach is o line. Like you you
Speaker 1: can't and like you you can't talk to them. You
Speaker 1: can't tell them what to do, because when you have
Speaker 1: a good old line coach, all you want to do
Speaker 1: is keep them happy so they can What do you need,
Speaker 1: just I'll stay out of your way. You're really good
Speaker 1: at O line. It's hard to find good old line coaches.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure you're happy and keep you here forever.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing is is O line A lot
Speaker 1: of times comes down to coaching and and you know,
Speaker 1: so so they could change, they could feel like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I like what we got here. I like you know,
Speaker 1: Zion and Jamari and and Trey and Rashan, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe all we really need is a center because
Speaker 1: we got to get that pairing, because we know how
Speaker 1: special it was when Herbert got Linsley and how well
Speaker 1: they performed together. So let's just find that center, you know,
Speaker 1: and now we're good. We feel like we're good moving
Speaker 1: forward for the next seven eight years. So that may
Speaker 1: be the case.
Speaker 2: All right, one more and then we'll uh, we'll tackle
Speaker 2: more next week. Thunder down under our boys in Australia. Hey,
Speaker 2: there's still they're still open to doing a pick money
Speaker 2: if if if we if we have any connection they'd
Speaker 2: love to do a pick a happy Eastern Christ and money.
Speaker 2: Which NFL draft was your favorite to cover watch? And why? Uh,
Speaker 2: I'll go first. I remember the Laramie Tunzel draft. I
Speaker 2: thought that was just a fascinating, like reality show situation
Speaker 2: that was happening in real time. I also vividly remember
Speaker 2: Darwin James just falling down the draft board and looking
Speaker 2: around in uh, in the Chargers office and being like, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's is this gonna happen? Are they gonna get Derwin
Speaker 2: James at eighteen? Overall, Uh, those are just a couple.
Speaker 2: But every draft is amazing, man, It's it really is
Speaker 2: my one of my favorite days on the NFL calendar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine is just totally selfish. It's, you know, heliocentric
Speaker 1: to me because I used to go to the drafts
Speaker 1: and we used to broadcast from the draft, so I
Speaker 1: did that for a number of years. And the one
Speaker 1: in Chicago, for whatever reason, just lined up great, not
Speaker 1: just because you know, that's that's where I grew up,
Speaker 1: but just I ended up having a really good conversation
Speaker 1: with with David Shaw, who was working for the NFL
Speaker 1: network on that one. I remember having a long conversation
Speaker 1: Mark Dominic who was there and we were chatting about
Speaker 1: the draft. We had Tom Herman and I can't remember
Speaker 1: what other coach was with us as well, but it
Speaker 1: was just one of those things where I got to
Speaker 1: kind of see a little bit of how the sausage
Speaker 1: is made and how these coaches viewed prospects, especially on
Speaker 1: day two and day three when they were sitting with us.
Speaker 1: It was really it's very educational and informative, and it
Speaker 1: kind of got me to see the draft through a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different lens and recognized that there's
Speaker 1: there's thirty two ways to look at each one of
Speaker 1: these prospects, and I think we often lose sight of that.
Speaker 1: You know, what is a premier player in one system
Speaker 1: may not have the same value in another, And it's
Speaker 1: always important to remember that that you are looking for
Speaker 1: players that you believe will excel with your coaching, with
Speaker 1: that player's teammates, and how they fit into this big
Speaker 1: fifty three man puzzle. So I think that's something that
Speaker 1: maybe people lose sight of. They just see the name
Speaker 1: and that individual and it's like, okay, but let's drop
Speaker 1: them in and how does this affect you know, what
Speaker 1: was one of the things that Harbad dropped at us.
Speaker 1: What's good for the bee is good for the hive,
Speaker 1: you know. Is so it's like that, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what you have to think of, you know, what's good
Speaker 1: for the hive? How does this particular bee fit in
Speaker 1: to the Chargers hive? And that's how all of them,
Speaker 1: every single one of them, looked at it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, Okay, so we're putting him and you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll kick him outside and then we're going to
Speaker 1: put him inside. Ooh, I like the left side of
Speaker 1: that line now because he's That's how they all look
Speaker 1: at it. It's not just the individual, it's the individual
Speaker 1: in context of where they're going.
Speaker 2: It's a great way to end the podcast because I
Speaker 2: think that type of insight is what you need to
Speaker 2: kind of have in the back of your mind on
Speaker 2: draft day. Is like you see the mock drafts, you
Speaker 2: see the experts on television, you see all the discourse
Speaker 2: on social media, but we truly do not know how
Speaker 2: teams view some of these prospects, and we won't know
Speaker 2: until Draft day. Like everybody laughed at the Detroit Lions
Speaker 2: for selecting Jamiir Gibbs as early as they did. He
Speaker 2: was their number one running back on their board, right,
Speaker 2: and you saw how excited they were in the war
Speaker 2: room when they selected him that early, and people are like,
Speaker 2: whoa hold on, I thought Jamiir Gibbs was going to
Speaker 2: be a second round pick or a lay first round pick.
Speaker 2: So you don't know, you don't know why somebody is
Speaker 2: saying this prospect is perfect for my team. My couls
Speaker 2: from my locker room, and I think that's probably the
Speaker 2: most fascinating part of the draft. You know, we are guessing,
Speaker 2: we are assuming, we are listening to what we hear
Speaker 2: in the media and what people are saying online and
Speaker 2: take that as gospel, when in fact, it's what all
Speaker 2: thirty two teams think individually, and it comes out on
Speaker 2: draft day. And that's why I think just the reality
Speaker 2: show aspect of it just makes it so much fun.
Speaker 1: Now I'll finish with this, Chris short and sweet. The
Speaker 1: dumbest thing you can ever say when you know when
Speaker 1: analyzing a draft pick is oh, they could have got
Speaker 1: that guy way later. It's the dumbest thing. Don't ever
Speaker 1: say that because you have no idea what their grade
Speaker 1: was on that player. And what other team's grades might
Speaker 1: be on that player. You just you don't know. If
Speaker 1: you like a player and you have a grade on
Speaker 1: a player, you're going to take that player. You're not
Speaker 1: thinking about, well, you know, we could sit and maybe
Speaker 1: he'll be That's not how it works. No, they grade
Speaker 1: these players. They love Jamir Gid. They loved them and
Speaker 1: that's why they took him at six because they believed
Speaker 1: that he fitted again into the hive. Did he or
Speaker 1: did he not fit perfectly? And did they or did
Speaker 1: they not? Go to the NFC Championship game and have
Speaker 1: a dominating lead at halftime, Like he just fit? So
Speaker 1: who cares if they took him at six or sixteen.
Speaker 1: It fit, it worked, and they experienced success because of it.
Speaker 1: So I took him way too early. You don't know that.
Speaker 1: You don't know where he would have been drafted.
Speaker 2: And Buddy, what Brad Holmes and company did in the
Speaker 2: years before that, They built their offensive line with Patsol,
Speaker 2: They built their defensive line with Aiden Hutchinson. They had
Speaker 2: the luxury of putting a Jumior Gibs in and then
Speaker 2: drafting Sam Laporte at the top of the second because
Speaker 2: they had filled out their roster. I mean, when you
Speaker 2: have a you have a history of picking in the
Speaker 2: top ten for a number of years, you're eventually gonna
Speaker 2: hit and build out your trenches. And that's what they
Speaker 2: were able to do. So just one thing to think
Speaker 2: about as we get out of here. For Matt, Buddy Smith,
Speaker 2: Chris Hayry, this has been funny. We have a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. We got to get you.
Speaker 1: Hear the dog by the way bark and she's like,
Speaker 1: get done, let's go get out of here. I got
Speaker 1: she she wants a walk or something. She just looked
Speaker 1: at me, started barking and then jumped off the jumped
Speaker 1: right in front of me, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess it's time. I guess we're done.
Speaker 2: What's your pup's name again, Willow Willow? Time to give
Speaker 2: Willow a walk?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, Willow Willow wants out of here.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's get it. Let's get out here
Speaker 2: for Buddy of Chris's bitch charged with you,