Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. It's a total eclipse on
Speaker 1: our hearts Kill.
Speaker 2: Me from the Chris Westland podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm Dad, hands us back from vacation.
Speaker 2: Got heroes here, Greg Roseenthal and Mark Sessler. Yes, we
Speaker 2: just did see the eclipse, or did we?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I looked up at the at the sun directly from
Speaker 3: you mustn't Mark. Yeah, but let's say your eyes are
Speaker 3: like your eyeballs will be singed and burned out.
Speaker 4: That's not the case as far as I know.
Speaker 1: Right see where we are, Oh, you are bleeding from
Speaker 1: the cornea.
Speaker 4: Other than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Otherwise, fine.
Speaker 5: Dan motivated us to go. We we sort of missed
Speaker 5: the peak of it, but we were about to start taping.
Speaker 5: It was time, so we went up there, and unfortunately
Speaker 5: we realized it's possible to be in a group of
Speaker 5: thirty five NFL media employees and we didn't know anyone.
Speaker 1: To ask for their glasses problem. So I went I
Speaker 1: I was a little ahead of you, guys. I made
Speaker 1: a straight B line looking for literally one person I
Speaker 1: knew here.
Speaker 3: Well, I like the conduct that in a dangerous visual setting,
Speaker 3: we would just take other people's glasses. Well, just ask
Speaker 3: for them, you don't need them with Well.
Speaker 2: Yes, the three of us back together for the first
Speaker 2: time and what well over two and a half weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we are also closing in on the draft. We
Speaker 2: are taping April eighth. The draft is April twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: I can't get you. And it's just a simple shit
Speaker 1: seventeen days away.
Speaker 2: Masterful, right, masterful numbers work by you. My eyes actually
Speaker 2: are bothering you right now. I'm seeing seeing some splotchiness.
Speaker 2: I did do a look up, did not have the
Speaker 2: three D glasses because I didn't know anybody. But like
Speaker 2: first day of school, today's episode special one. It's an
Speaker 2: annual tradition on around the NFL free agency, and it
Speaker 2: was a very strange free agency this year, or maybe
Speaker 2: it's the new normal. Well, we'll have to see, but
Speaker 2: very aggressive teams are more aggressive this year. They got
Speaker 2: going earlier players that usually or the types of players
Speaker 2: are in some cases individuals.
Speaker 1: Jadavin Clowney is a perfect example.
Speaker 2: Instead of lingering on the market into late summer, got
Speaker 2: scooped up in the first week or so free agency.
Speaker 5: The first time he signed a multi year contract since
Speaker 5: his rookie contract.
Speaker 1: That is a fact.
Speaker 2: So just like the way the machine worked was different
Speaker 2: this year, so the annual Graybeards exercise, which is pulling
Speaker 2: together the best roster of thirty and over talent. There's
Speaker 2: been a depreciation of talent in the pool. We're also
Speaker 2: doing a week later. Although how many names came off
Speaker 2: the market last seven days, not a ton, but different different.
Speaker 5: Things that iowe Vanoy is the only one we might
Speaker 5: have lost. That's it early it.
Speaker 2: But coming up a little later, we're going to put
Speaker 2: together that Graybeard's team and also just back in on
Speaker 2: in general notable names still on the market who can
Speaker 2: make your team better.
Speaker 3: And this is the first time that you've allowed, Greg
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't use the word allowed, although it like
Speaker 3: that we are part of the process that we're pitching.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, this is going to be a collaborative
Speaker 2: effort this year. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3: I see what you're doing though, because it's it's going
Speaker 3: to be potentially, but the names that are out there,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be one of the most challenging seasons ever
Speaker 3: for the gray Beards.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it and looked at this list of players,
Speaker 1: said I need help.
Speaker 3: Let's get Greg and Mark involved so we can point
Speaker 3: some fingers when the other.
Speaker 2: The assumption that when I was in Maui, I looked
Speaker 2: at the list and I was like, oh, it's a
Speaker 2: little tougher this year.
Speaker 4: I'm going to call in some help. That's exactly what
Speaker 4: I think you did.
Speaker 1: That would be way too much credit. It's actually a
Speaker 1: compliment idea that marks you're this.
Speaker 2: I did not look at it beforehand, but I just
Speaker 2: thought this would be a good time to mix things
Speaker 2: up and see how goes and if the team like
Speaker 2: last year's team I predicted six and eleven they went
Speaker 2: for in thirteen. We'll see what this, where this team
Speaker 2: comes down, and where we go moving forward as a
Speaker 2: group or me again as an individual, we will see.
Speaker 1: But before that, let's do some news.
Speaker 4: Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot.
Speaker 1: Before I went away on vacation, that's it all sound drop.
Speaker 2: Yes, while you were in Hawaii, Greg, And by the way,
Speaker 2: what a state, great state?
Speaker 1: Where is in the top fifty? I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: it was the last one to come in.
Speaker 5: I believes it after Alaska.
Speaker 1: I believe it was at the right time.
Speaker 2: It came about icebox up there in Alaska pass streets,
Speaker 2: and number one there was the states actually are Alaskan listeners,
Speaker 2: I apologize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have much to do like they would
Speaker 3: cling to a podcast in certain parts of the year.
Speaker 3: Weatherwise more than beautiful other forty nine states.
Speaker 1: Beautiful in terms of beautiful in terms of nature.
Speaker 2: Up in Alaska, we got the pipeline, so we got
Speaker 2: some guap coming out of there. Also, territory wise close
Speaker 2: to Russia from a military.
Speaker 5: Perspective, Yeah, he'd be very valuable, right, Yes, Sarah Palin
Speaker 5: famously here long, you know, looked out at me.
Speaker 1: See Russia from her right yard. But Hawaii, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3: Mark, Well, I'm glad the two of you enjoyed your
Speaker 3: lush getaways.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to this.
Speaker 2: Oh but what I was gonna say was, before I went.
Speaker 1: On my vacation, we ended our podcast with Connor Or
Speaker 1: after a very eventful week for the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast with a Mark Sessler top ten drops, and I
Speaker 1: was many people reached out to me angry that that.
Speaker 4: Drop, Well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot.
Speaker 2: Was excluded, and I just want everyone to know that
Speaker 2: was an oversight by the board. I obviously would have
Speaker 2: had that very near the top had I realized it,
Speaker 2: but we didn't have it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean quickly, like that came off a mailback questush,
Speaker 3: and that came in just hours before the show, and
Speaker 3: you did it from another angle. A lot of work
Speaker 3: to compile what you did.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: That is one of my more favorite self drops. So
Speaker 3: I will say there was a time that Marvin Lewis
Speaker 3: was actually in our green room. He was sort of
Speaker 3: being dipped into the network. Yeah, rounds a little and
Speaker 3: I don't know, it got a little uncomfortable after. I
Speaker 3: would assume he'd never heard that in his life, except
Speaker 3: you never know how these things filter up.
Speaker 4: And he just gave me a weird look, and I
Speaker 4: kind of was.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like it's safe to say he was
Speaker 1: I do not know about it.
Speaker 3: Wait, yeah, but I don't. I'm not walking around thinking
Speaker 3: he knew. It's just there was a weird interaction to beginning.
Speaker 5: He is back in the league, he's an assistant head
Speaker 5: coach of the Raiders.
Speaker 1: How about that that ends.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's move into the news, and let's start with Yes,
Speaker 2: the big news that broke late last week.
Speaker 1: I was vaguely tracking it from a bungalow.
Speaker 2: Stephan Diggs got traded, not really a surprise, but still
Speaker 2: huge news in the NFL when Diggs gets moved to
Speaker 2: of course the Houston Texans, and we have a little
Speaker 2: more details that have come out around the trade, which
Speaker 2: of course went for a twenty twenty five second round
Speaker 2: pick via the Vikings four Digs, a six round pick
Speaker 2: of twenty four and a fifth rounder in twenty five.
Speaker 2: So after the trade Houston, GREGI does some business with Digs.
Speaker 2: They give him a raise, a flat, a straight up raise.
Speaker 2: His previous base salary went from eighteen to twenty two
Speaker 2: and a half million in guaranteed money. And importantly for Diggs,
Speaker 2: they also voided the final three years of his contract,
Speaker 2: which we're going to cover twenty five to twenty six
Speaker 2: twenty seven. So he is now on essentially a proven
Speaker 2: deal at age thirty in a new environment, making a
Speaker 2: little bit more money. So as far as fresh starts
Speaker 2: go for Stefan Diggs and considering the quarterbacks with this
Speaker 2: sets up pretty well for him and really both sides,
Speaker 2: because I know you guys already talked about this but
Speaker 2: there's a non zero chance that Digs isn't a big
Speaker 2: time player anymore, and the Texans in that case would
Speaker 2: probably want out after one year.
Speaker 1: That's the whole setup here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people had their takes on the
Speaker 5: Digs trade, and we spent a lot of time talking
Speaker 5: about it, and then this news comes out a couple
Speaker 5: days later, and people adjusted their takes that it wasn't
Speaker 5: as good a move for the Texans, that it's essentially
Speaker 5: a one year deal, and I pushed back on that
Speaker 5: because yes, he had a few years left on his
Speaker 5: contract before, but if he had played at a level
Speaker 5: that they hope to get out of him this year,
Speaker 5: he would have been wanting more money right away because
Speaker 5: his base salaries were very low, and it would have
Speaker 5: became a whole thing between the two sides, and they're
Speaker 5: trying to avoid that. So I don't think it dramatically
Speaker 5: changes the move that much. I liked it before, I
Speaker 5: still like it now, And there's very different thing in that.
Speaker 5: The ESPN headline to it was we'll let him get
Speaker 5: to free agency, but that's not true.
Speaker 1: They have the franchise tag.
Speaker 5: They also have exclusive negotiating rights from basically now until
Speaker 5: next free agency, and that's a totally different situation than
Speaker 5: all the other teams. So if he does play well,
Speaker 5: they'll find a way to pay him, and if they don't,
Speaker 5: they'll franchise tag him.
Speaker 1: And a lot of angry Bills fans.
Speaker 5: Are like in my mentions, being like, well, how do
Speaker 5: you He's not gonna be happy if they franchise Tag.
Speaker 5: It's just why are you worried about all this stuff
Speaker 5: that is going to happen. If it's a good outcome
Speaker 5: for the Textans, they'll figure it out, and if he
Speaker 5: doesn't work out, then he will be.
Speaker 3: If Yeah, we mentioned at the tail end of that
Speaker 3: conversation that this very well could have been a one
Speaker 3: year right situation for Houston, And from that angle, like
Speaker 3: the money aside, way, don't worry about the money. They've
Speaker 3: got the money they can pay him. They can frontload
Speaker 3: it all to this season and then see where they
Speaker 3: are yere from now. Because what I think a bad
Speaker 3: team does is turns around and gives Stefan Diggs a
Speaker 3: ton more money when we don't know what kind of
Speaker 3: player is right now. It's a perfect fit for one
Speaker 3: season for a team that is you know, kicked open
Speaker 3: their Super Bowl window, right, and if.
Speaker 2: He does kind of get the magic back and has
Speaker 2: a huge year with a great young quarterback, I would
Speaker 2: not even think about tagging the men and sitting on
Speaker 2: that tag because you're gonna end up with an unhappy
Speaker 2: wide receiver, which has been the case in multiple.
Speaker 1: Spots for him.
Speaker 2: But that's for that's best case scenario situation, because if
Speaker 2: you're going to want to put the tag out and
Speaker 2: that meant he was the star that they think they're getting.
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of money, Diggs has a lot
Speaker 2: of money. He's had a fantastic career big time receiver,
Speaker 2: so he could do things like paying new teammate Jimmy
Speaker 2: Ward the safety one hundred grand to get the number
Speaker 2: one jersey. So he moves from number fourteen his whole
Speaker 2: NFL career to number one, which he wore in college,
Speaker 2: and Ward goes back to number twenty, which he already
Speaker 2: had previously worn at the Niners. So a cool hundred
Speaker 2: gs mark get you any number you want.
Speaker 3: I wish that in the in the world that we
Speaker 3: work in the media, you know, circle that we had
Speaker 3: numbers and someone like some big shot could be hired
Speaker 3: by this place and like, oh, Mark, I want to
Speaker 3: take your number.
Speaker 4: Let me give you two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: This little inside Baseball for this particular studio, the Chris
Speaker 2: Westling podcast studio. But famously you struggle with the recording
Speaker 2: box that we plug our jacks into our headsets in.
Speaker 2: Say yeah it. It has been an ongoing source of tension.
Speaker 2: Uh since we moved here. How much would you pay
Speaker 2: let's say Greg for his box so you would switch
Speaker 2: boxes and never have to worry about that again?
Speaker 1: Would you not even a cent? Oh? Really no, but
Speaker 1: you talk so much about it. Yeah, but I'm giving
Speaker 1: you a take it out because then that's then Mark
Speaker 1: sneaky cheap.
Speaker 3: No, then then it takes the onus off of management
Speaker 3: to correct the soundbox. I'm still trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: strong arm them into, you know, paying attention to the situation.
Speaker 2: My grandfather, Paul hansis Elk of the year eighty nine
Speaker 2: to ninety in a Pearl River, big deal. He you know, basically,
Speaker 2: the Elks are like many other what do you call
Speaker 2: those places?
Speaker 3: Well, it's like social clubs, social clubs veterans typically an
Speaker 3: Elks club with typically and.
Speaker 1: My grandfather was a World War Two.
Speaker 2: Veteran, and and we would occasionally because my dad and
Speaker 2: my brother are my uncle, my father's brother uncle ed
Speaker 2: because of Baba's was his name, strong ties to the Elks,
Speaker 2: they kind of came into the Elks as well.
Speaker 1: They signed up for the Elks.
Speaker 2: And then occasionally we'd be taken to get drinks where
Speaker 2: we'd go to the bar, which is a wild scene.
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you everything that was going on
Speaker 2: at the Elks, okay, but it was wild. Long way
Speaker 2: to get to that. All the veterans did at this bar,
Speaker 2: and I went in there a couple times when I
Speaker 2: was in college.
Speaker 1: We was just call each other cheap the whole time.
Speaker 1: That's all it was.
Speaker 2: That was the only way these like seventy year old
Speaker 2: men could communicate and bus balls was just.
Speaker 1: To go college A alligator arms, Why don't you pay
Speaker 1: for a round? All right?
Speaker 2: T rex arms and all sorts of terms in that range.
Speaker 2: So what Greg said to you just now Mark triggered
Speaker 2: memories of the Elks. And I do agree that you
Speaker 2: are in this case showing a desire to stay away
Speaker 2: from your pocket.
Speaker 3: No, I strongly just a little alligator arm action. Who
Speaker 3: do you think most liberally get go arm.
Speaker 1: It's rarely use variations of arms.
Speaker 3: Who throws money on that character on SNL arms who
Speaker 3: throws money around town? Like at what what order would
Speaker 3: you put the three of us in? I would say, well,
Speaker 3: throw some money around town. That's kind of a wild term.
Speaker 3: But just you are, you would just like think that's
Speaker 3: how I operate.
Speaker 1: You do?
Speaker 2: You are in many ways? You're handed out a lot
Speaker 2: of money a lot of times. And that is a
Speaker 2: lot of situations that is accurate. So No, you're right,
Speaker 2: that was unfair. You really added the context that was
Speaker 2: necessarily there.
Speaker 4: I corrected you.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 5: He was and I apologize, Okay, Stephan Diggs was lucky,
Speaker 5: But I first of all, a good job by Ward.
Speaker 5: I mean holding out for one hundred k that he
Speaker 5: kind of held his feet over the fire. It's a
Speaker 5: lot of money. And I just checked. Jimmy Ward's made
Speaker 5: fifty five million dollars in his career. He's Diggs has
Speaker 5: made one thirty six. He's been in the league a
Speaker 5: long time. Jimmy Ward. Uh, but he's lucky because Ward
Speaker 5: is not that popular of a player relatively. I don't
Speaker 5: think many people own those jerseys, and Kirk Cousins, you know,
Speaker 5: brought up that he wasn't gonna get number eight from
Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts. We never circled back on this because he
Speaker 5: found out someone's got to buy all the pit jerseys
Speaker 5: that have been produced for sale to fans for him
Speaker 5: to turn it into Cousins jerseys, and that would have
Speaker 5: been hundreds of thousands of dollars. And Kirk was like,
Speaker 5: I just don't care that much about it, and neither
Speaker 5: did Kyle. That doesn't say they were just like, let's
Speaker 5: forget about it.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I think it's like a year or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a year. But and there's a lot of
Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts jerseys out there.
Speaker 4: But Greg, what about all these players that switched to
Speaker 4: zero or two or whatever, like, were they yank to
Speaker 4: do the same thing? Yes, okay, well then fun just
Speaker 4: stay consistent.
Speaker 2: And I want to give Digs a little credit because, yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes he could be a pain for teams, but he's
Speaker 2: also big time player. Also, he did not he had
Speaker 2: a chance when they did the whole switcheroo and let
Speaker 2: skill players get single digit numbers to move to number
Speaker 2: one with the Bills, and he decided it wasn't fair
Speaker 2: to Bill's mafia, the fans that had his fourteen jersey,
Speaker 2: so that's why he held off.
Speaker 1: It's a little pop for digs in a big spot.
Speaker 4: Fair reporting.
Speaker 1: Greg. Do you have your Kyle Duggar jersey? I don't.
Speaker 1: I only own one jersey. Ever. I think I've only
Speaker 1: owned one jersey, and it's a Troy Brown jersey. But
Speaker 1: that nice first jersey, first jersey. Mine was a boomer
Speaker 1: size and Jets got it from Santa ninety three Bernie Kosar.
Speaker 3: Although I would not say it was one of those officials.
Speaker 3: It was like I was a child. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: one of those like one hundred and eighty dollars official ones.
Speaker 5: It was my parents not getting me a jersey. It
Speaker 5: never happened. Yeah, oh they were like that's too much.
Speaker 5: Well not the official one, but you could get.
Speaker 2: The ones, get a T shirt, you could get I mean,
Speaker 2: what could have been too hard scrabble like you could
Speaker 2: get the the jersey was like thirty five bucks or
Speaker 2: something like a B minus verst.
Speaker 3: Right, it didn't know you didn't get the official stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was talking about. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: all right, anyway, Kyle Dugger.
Speaker 2: The Patriots continue to light up the imagination of the
Speaker 2: football public. They signed the safety to a four year,
Speaker 2: fifty eight million dollar contract. The deal is worth up
Speaker 2: to sixty six million, includes thirty two and a half
Speaker 2: fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1: He's twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Years old, but just at the end of his rookie contract,
Speaker 2: so he came into the league a little later.
Speaker 1: But Gregie a lot of and.
Speaker 2: I just did it a little bit too, a little
Speaker 2: bit of snarkiness around the Patriots offseason about how many
Speaker 2: of their in house guys they're locking up, considering there's
Speaker 2: just no buzz and energy around the team last couple
Speaker 2: of years. But logically, you know, you keep your guys
Speaker 2: that are good, and then you've got to find a
Speaker 2: way to supplement that with fresh blood.
Speaker 5: I look at the method that Ron Wolfe used to
Speaker 5: use Elliotollf's father, and then certainly Ted Thompson and Brian
Speaker 5: Kuda Kuntz with the Packers, and this is what they did.
Speaker 5: And it's just a coincidence that the few good young
Speaker 5: players on the Patriots roster and there's not a ton
Speaker 5: happened to all come up for free agency this year.
Speaker 5: So I think it was smart they kept him. They
Speaker 5: kept a ONEU. Who am I forgetting that? They also
Speaker 5: Hunter Henry Hunter Henry not a younger place, but worth
Speaker 5: keeping around. And they're probably gonna have to pay Christian
Speaker 5: Barmore at some points.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3: They do have a they have a like a solid secondary,
Speaker 3: so it's like you don't want to have that be
Speaker 3: torn down.
Speaker 1: On top of it all, their defense looks good on paper.
Speaker 5: I mean, the defenses are unpredictable, but on paper they
Speaker 5: have a top ten defense.
Speaker 1: But they were a top ten defense last year.
Speaker 3: They haven't had a Q rating this slow since like
Speaker 3: the you know, mid ninety pre bars Parcels Patriots.
Speaker 5: No, there's not a lot to get excited about in
Speaker 5: terms of the moves they made offensively.
Speaker 2: It's bringing players back. The news wasn't all bad for
Speaker 2: the Panthers last season. It was mostly bad, but there
Speaker 2: was a breakout player and Derek Brown, the defensive tackle
Speaker 2: who really thrived under a g ro everall.
Speaker 1: In the three to fourth scheme.
Speaker 2: He was He set up Panthers record for tackles by aligneman.
Speaker 2: He is a big time run stop stud. So what
Speaker 2: do the Panthers do? They said, that's a guy we
Speaker 2: want to keep in our building. So he agrees to
Speaker 2: a four year contract extension. The team announced on Friday.
Speaker 2: It's a ninety six million dollar deal, market included over
Speaker 2: sixty three million guaranteed. That per year average of twenty
Speaker 2: four million puts him in the top five or defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: You're paying them as an elite player.
Speaker 2: I don't have mega takes about Derek Brown whether he
Speaker 2: deserves to be in that class, but perhaps you do.
Speaker 3: I would say that like he from a physical perspective,
Speaker 3: he is a dominant, gigantic human being.
Speaker 4: And this is a team with no first round pick.
Speaker 3: You moved on from Brian Burns, DJ Moore, your toy,
Speaker 3: Gross Modos goes to San Francisco. It's like, at some point,
Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers, you've got to keep doing what the Patriots
Speaker 3: just said. Keep one of your foundational guys. When you're
Speaker 3: running a three four scheme, like no brainer to me.
Speaker 5: These nose tackles are defensive tackles, the closest thing we
Speaker 5: have to Nose tackles like a run stopping defensive tackle,
Speaker 5: take a little time to develop. He reminds me a
Speaker 5: ton of Dexter Lawrence, who the first year or two
Speaker 5: Giants fans and Panthers fans talking about Dexter Lawrence and
Speaker 5: Derek Brown are like, man, we used a pretty high
Speaker 5: pick on, like a plugger, and then they get older
Speaker 5: and they get tougher, and suddenly they're the best players
Speaker 5: in the league at their position.
Speaker 1: So it's a defensive tackle, you know.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you explosion in terms of the
Speaker 5: money that has been out there the last couple of
Speaker 5: years between Chris Jones and Wilkins and Madoweke and even
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Simmons, Aron Pain and Brown fits right in as
Speaker 5: one of the best players at the position.
Speaker 1: Jordan Mailata. In other news, the International Pathway Program to
Speaker 1: Fire Yeah Thriving, we talked about the new Chiefs potential
Speaker 1: playmaker added to.
Speaker 4: The felling a highway than a pathway at this.
Speaker 2: Point, a highway paved solely by Henry Hotchon with gold,
Speaker 2: with gold and in a handsome manner by Henry. The
Speaker 2: IPP program is a method being employed by the league
Speaker 2: to get more players in international markets trained up, exposed
Speaker 2: to the game, given them, giving them opportunities and when
Speaker 2: you hit on one of these players. Man, look look, Greg,
Speaker 2: you look at I'm rewatching the which I highly recommend
Speaker 2: sports fans because we all watched it during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: We're all kind of in a like a drugged state
Speaker 2: in a way, some of us literally some of it
Speaker 2: was just the whole thing. You remember twenty twenty in
Speaker 2: a hazy manner, the last dance, the Jordan doc rewatching.
Speaker 1: With my sons.
Speaker 2: It's a little salty language in parts, but overall they're
Speaker 2: fascinated by this Jordan figure.
Speaker 1: It's like Babe Ruth for these kids.
Speaker 2: The dream Team opened the doors for international play for
Speaker 2: the NBA. And now, like, like you follow the NBA
Speaker 2: closer than either Mark or I. Like the percentage of
Speaker 2: like star players in the NBA, what is it like
Speaker 2: thirty or forty percent?
Speaker 1: Or from overseas now or.
Speaker 5: The last handful of MVPs? Yes, Jannis. And then because
Speaker 5: I'm first team NBA, Yes.
Speaker 2: It's a totally different league now than it was thirty
Speaker 2: years ago. Jordan Malatta is the shining star of this
Speaker 2: international movement. A left tackle at the Eagles, drafted as
Speaker 2: a seventh round pick, he didn't have really he had
Speaker 2: very little experience with football, as a sport, but had
Speaker 2: the tools, and then they got him trained up and
Speaker 2: he learned the game and became a dominant tackle at
Speaker 2: one of the game's most important positions. So he gets
Speaker 2: paid a extension that is three years, sixty six million dollars.
Speaker 2: He remained a top level tackle last season. He hasn't
Speaker 2: been greg a scene by people who vote for things.
Speaker 2: He's never been a pro bowler. That surprised me through
Speaker 2: me never been an All Pro. But anyone you talk
Speaker 2: to the Baldies of the world say nothing but big
Speaker 2: time positive things about my lotta So another no brainer
Speaker 2: to keep.
Speaker 1: In your building. A PFF star too, always in the
Speaker 1: top five to six. What gives lots of them? My
Speaker 1: lot of bias?
Speaker 5: Maybe people were just like, we're giving too many eagle
Speaker 5: offensive linemen on these awards, because you know what, if
Speaker 5: it's a hotchedon bias Kelsey and Lane Johnson and some
Speaker 5: Hank bias have dominated it, you're right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes offensive lineman people are a year or two behind.
Speaker 5: Now they're really behind on my lot of where they
Speaker 5: get the Pro Bowls a little later than you expect.
Speaker 5: Kelsey and Johnson, by the way, uh starred at WrestleMania
Speaker 5: over the weekend showed up. Kelsey was very involved in
Speaker 5: a little attention. I mean, these guys, they got so
Speaker 5: much talent. Jordan Mylotta is also famously a great voice.
Speaker 5: Uh you know, did a bang up job on the
Speaker 5: Kelsey Christmas album and also a great around the NFL
Speaker 5: guest remember that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Our super Bowl. He was legitimately a great guest. In fact,
Speaker 2: I legitiate you should get him back on the show.
Speaker 2: We should try his hand. I think Henry can help
Speaker 2: us with that.
Speaker 4: His hand was as big as any of our computer screens.
Speaker 4: That's what I recall.
Speaker 2: Most of your analysis today, Mark's just based on the
Speaker 2: sheer size of the humans involved.
Speaker 3: He was a stunny because like, you know, you get
Speaker 3: us like and then you got like Derek. Henry came
Speaker 3: on that same week, and my lot of it's just like, oh,
Speaker 3: these are gigantic people and I don't want to I
Speaker 3: don't I'm done with these groups.
Speaker 2: When we when we do these remote shows and we
Speaker 2: have the guests on, Mark does not like to be
Speaker 2: next to the giant player.
Speaker 3: Typically it's I enjoyed meeting them and stuff, but it's
Speaker 3: like that's that's not a winning photo op in my opinion,
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, you're four feet shorter than this defensive.
Speaker 1: Time, we should start photo shopping the photos and make
Speaker 1: you taller than whoever's there.
Speaker 3: Stupid, very Kyles Garrett was a tough, tough scene for
Speaker 3: I couldn't even speak that to you. That was I
Speaker 3: think he thought I was from another part anyway.
Speaker 5: I like this is why the Eagles stay good though,
Speaker 5: as they get ahead of things on these contract Extentially,
Speaker 5: they also paid Landon Dickerson this offseason. So not only
Speaker 5: did they bring in a lot of people, and you think, okay,
Speaker 5: Kelsey's retiring is it got to be a big transition
Speaker 5: for this offensive line, and they've planned ahead pretty well.
Speaker 5: They draft Cam Jurgens, they have a third round pick
Speaker 5: Tyler Steen, who's ready to go. It's like they just
Speaker 5: invest over and over and over. And that's why for them,
Speaker 5: like a bad season is nine and seven or falling
Speaker 5: apart late to go eleven and six, whereas you know,
Speaker 5: for most teams, bad season is in the New England Patriots,
Speaker 5: what happened to the life.
Speaker 4: Yes, but the future of the tush push remains enigmatic.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: How the Eagles stay good. The football agna SCENTI, hey,
Speaker 2: big guys. Ability to completely washed the end of last
Speaker 2: season from memory is.
Speaker 5: I just not a relative scale. Their strategy was clearly
Speaker 5: pay for linement. I agree with you the ball and
Speaker 5: that's worked in the long run.
Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying overall. But that was
Speaker 2: a historic meltdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know when I listen, we're supposed to now turn
Speaker 2: the page and everything's fine again.
Speaker 3: But I still have questions. It has been pushed from memory.
Speaker 3: It has been pushed from memory, I think a little bit.
Speaker 3: And I'm with you because you still have the same
Speaker 3: head coach, and people are talking about, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the personality there in Dangel.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 5: That's why we need you, Dan to be the truth
Speaker 5: teller from now until week one that they're gonna stink.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it did. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that, but it seems as hey,
Speaker 2: something we've decided. No, we've decided that that didn't happen anymore.
Speaker 2: So if I have to be the person that say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: the Eagles have done it again, Oh this is how
Speaker 2: the goods stay good, and like oh man the Eagles
Speaker 2: are killing to this offseason. Someone has to say they
Speaker 2: also had one of the most unbelievable collapses in recent
Speaker 2: NFL history.
Speaker 1: And they kept the coach and they kept the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Don't they're running it back again.
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be care to suggest that
Speaker 3: you're the only go find didn't melt down, Go.
Speaker 1: Find it, Go find it anywhere on the internet is.
Speaker 4: I will I will take I will take a look
Speaker 4: after the show.
Speaker 2: You know who did it? That Bradley Cooper with his charm.
Speaker 2: He wiped it all him and Lurally working together.
Speaker 5: It was a tough It was a tough winter for Cooper.
Speaker 5: The Eagles fall apart in the same way that his
Speaker 5: his Oscar hopes that movie.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a more like bald faced attempt
Speaker 2: to win an Oscar?
Speaker 1: Cooper, get back to what you're good at. Get out
Speaker 1: of the luxury suite. Stop. Did anybody see that thing?
Speaker 4: I watched it?
Speaker 3: I was I think I mentioned this on one of
Speaker 3: our like suggests something that you've watched.
Speaker 1: We're not giving you a trophy because you got a
Speaker 1: fake nose.
Speaker 3: I openly could not stand it, but then I thought
Speaker 3: about it a lot afterwards made me think, and it
Speaker 3: was a very strange, but it was it felt like
Speaker 3: Oscar bade to me, which has worked for him in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 4: We know that much about him. Why are we still
Speaker 4: talking about him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you guys talk about the Jets
Speaker 1: getting a son Radick? That was a nice movie.
Speaker 3: I thought we were very fair in our coverage of
Speaker 3: nice and praise them.
Speaker 1: I think it led the show nice all right. Eight
Speaker 1: o'clock to light.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs resigned Mike Danda to a big deal. You
Speaker 2: know who else is? Clyde Edwards, Claire Returns, I Greg,
Speaker 2: I have to say coming back is one of the
Speaker 2: more the underdog tails of the first round.
Speaker 1: Well, no one I thought there was no chance.
Speaker 5: I don't think there was a lot of interest in him,
Speaker 5: and I gotta say he did make some plays in
Speaker 5: the stretch run and he only was given the ball
Speaker 5: like three to five.
Speaker 2: Did anyone ever seem more da as a first round
Speaker 2: pick after like two years old, when they were telling
Speaker 2: you to drop them first overall in fantasy as a rookie.
Speaker 2: Took him a number eleven overall. Anyway, the voters shoot
Speaker 2: down the stadium bill. By the way, for the Royals
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs, which tough, tough spot for the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: who coming up back to back titles probably thought they'd
Speaker 2: get that bump. They did not, so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of uncertainty around that situation. He got blown away too,
Speaker 2: like it wasn't close.
Speaker 3: And I think it's tough for civic groups of people
Speaker 3: to suggest they're going to pay for these things at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: Man, it's old news now.
Speaker 2: It used to be the way it was. Draft prospect
Speaker 2: DeAndre Sweat gets a d WI. My goodness, it made
Speaker 2: me think of Dak Prescott getting a DWI two days
Speaker 2: after his pro day.
Speaker 1: He dropped down to the fourth round.
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens with Sweat, who was supposed to
Speaker 2: be a first or second rounder. The Culture assigned Julian Blackman,
Speaker 2: the Dolphins sign tay R Tart and Kyle Van Noy
Speaker 2: goes back to the Ravens.
Speaker 3: Gregory three players that were in my top one oh
Speaker 3: one and only three left total in the top fifty.
Speaker 2: Segue, Yeah, up next, graveyards.
Speaker 6: Grave beards. We're gonna say the day day, grave beards, just.
Speaker 1: Give us one last say lest.
Speaker 7: Say we're here today, gone tomorrow. Will you watch or
Speaker 7: follow hitch don't mean I cannot play and you will
Speaker 7: see me leave the way, will.
Speaker 3: Away?
Speaker 8: Grave Bears never go away, never go away, never away,
Speaker 8: grave bet never been away.
Speaker 6: There goals my hero.
Speaker 9: Watch him as he goes there goals my rule.
Speaker 6: He's over thirty.
Speaker 2: The gray beards are back. We've been doing this exercise
Speaker 2: how many years now?
Speaker 1: Ten years? Sometimes about singing that song? What a song?
Speaker 4: It's getting better.
Speaker 2: It's like the I'm what I'm hoping for is the
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey Christmas song bump where it just charts every
Speaker 2: year on the same time.
Speaker 1: Who is your greatest influence as a vocalist.
Speaker 2: Dave Grohle, Maybe, but maybe role adjacent. So let's go
Speaker 2: Pearl Jam a little Eddie Better. I've gotten your one
Speaker 2: of your favorite bands, the National have gotten that in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm surprised you didn't bring greg in for some
Speaker 3: sort of a singing role there, because Gregor is a
Speaker 3: renowned now former singer.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: In fact, last year, I think you might have had
Speaker 2: the last line, and I apologize for taking that from you.
Speaker 3: I think you've done it the right way, and now
Speaker 3: I do think you know now that I'm a member.
Speaker 1: Of the organization. The controversy. Okay, let's get into it
Speaker 1: that we've had over the last year.
Speaker 5: You know, the graybird Graybeards that you know, many groups
Speaker 5: were saying you should play that song and the national
Speaker 5: land them at your games, and I say no, this
Speaker 5: has replaced the national anthem for the Graybeards.
Speaker 1: This is their anthem.
Speaker 2: Yes, you have said that before, and I'm glad that
Speaker 2: you've said it again. This year is a real tough
Speaker 2: one because, like I said at the top of the show,
Speaker 2: teams have been more aggressive and as a result, when
Speaker 2: you look through the list and you guys, like we
Speaker 2: said earlier, change it up this year.
Speaker 1: I used to write this as an article on the site.
Speaker 2: Now we're just talking it out as a group and
Speaker 2: going through it, and we're going to land on some
Speaker 2: things together. Perhaps if you guys, maybe I could serve
Speaker 2: as a bit of a tiebreaker in certain situations, but
Speaker 2: in general, I'd like us to kind of build this
Speaker 2: team together. It's not going to be easy because there's
Speaker 2: a not a lot on the bone, not a lot
Speaker 2: of meat on the bone. And I want to say
Speaker 2: one other thing before we get going that this has
Speaker 2: always been Yes, the players from the Graybeards have to
Speaker 2: be turned either over thirty or turning thirty before the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Like the NFL, the NFL makes changes to
Speaker 2: their product every year, and I've been resistant to ever
Speaker 2: change the gray Beard's process. But you have to go
Speaker 2: with the times because of the lack of options, because
Speaker 2: of the way the NFL views skill position players, especially
Speaker 2: running backs, where thirty is basically the retirement home. But
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily what this is about. When they get
Speaker 2: to that second contract around twenty eight, I was thinking
Speaker 2: that's when running backs wide receivers will throw tight ends
Speaker 2: in there as well. So I'm changing the guidelines for
Speaker 2: those three position groups. Or I could just keep it
Speaker 2: to wide receivers and running backs. Let's do that twenty
Speaker 2: eight at some point in the season. It makes you
Speaker 2: a gray beard, because that's really the way the league
Speaker 2: is now.
Speaker 5: Greg, I don't think this is going to change my
Speaker 5: picks much at all. To me, it's just there aren't
Speaker 5: many free agents available, whether they're twenty eight or not.
Speaker 5: I do think it's gonna mess up how the song
Speaker 5: goes that it'll be interesting. They're over thirty except for
Speaker 5: running back and tight end with your twenty eight you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna work on give me a chance. They'll work that
Speaker 1: lyrically and find a melody to.
Speaker 3: I think, also Verre, it's inclusive because we've always had
Speaker 3: that friend in their twenties who suddenly had white hair
Speaker 3: or you know, when they went pray or white much earlier,
Speaker 3: and they probably feel not part of society in some way.
Speaker 4: And this says you are part of this operation.
Speaker 5: I don't know who these twenty eight year olds are,
Speaker 5: so I'm curious to you throw it.
Speaker 3: It didn't change the list much for me. Yeah, in
Speaker 3: terms of like an earthquake level.
Speaker 2: And I'll just real quick because usually I look back
Speaker 2: at the graybeards the year before, and as I usually
Speaker 2: say before we get into it, there are players that
Speaker 2: are available now to any team that will play a
Speaker 2: big role for teams in the upcoming season. And that
Speaker 2: is true. But I'm looking at last year's team and
Speaker 2: you didn't see a lot of that.
Speaker 1: So last year I'll just go real quick.
Speaker 2: At quarterback, we had wentz in Bridgewater at running back,
Speaker 2: McKinnon and Latavius Murray. At wide receiver, Odell Jarvis, Landry,
Speaker 2: Julio Jones, and T Y Hilton at tight end, Mercedes
Speaker 2: Lewis and Cameron Braidt. You know, if you really want
Speaker 2: to know, the lion was Donovan Smith, Roger staffle Ben Jones,
Speaker 2: Gabe Jackson, and Taylor Lewan on defense.
Speaker 1: I'm really hurting David Clowney not being a graveyard.
Speaker 2: He has been a graveyard more than he's not been
Speaker 2: a graveyard in his career. Last year was Clowney, Leonard Floyd,
Speaker 2: Frank Clark, and Justin Houston. I mean, these are name
Speaker 2: brands that you're just not going to see in a
Speaker 2: lot of cases this year. Somehow, Dominican Sue was on
Speaker 2: our interior line. Last year, Quintin Jefferson, Shelby, Harris Matthew, Iinidis,
Speaker 2: Anthony Barr, Marcus Goldman, John Bostick at linebacker. It feels
Speaker 2: like some of these guys are already ancient history. They
Speaker 2: never got that chance those graveyards. And then in the
Speaker 2: secondary Marcus Peters, Bryce Callahan, Byron Jones, William Jackson, Robbie
Speaker 2: gold was the kicker. I retired Andy Lee at punter.
Speaker 2: So that was last year's team. I didn't hear a
Speaker 2: lot of guys that actually had big years from that list.
Speaker 2: If you guys can throw any do you hear any
Speaker 2: of there that.
Speaker 4: Their names did in a big years?
Speaker 1: Though Clowney had a good year, Oh clown one of
Speaker 1: his best years. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Donovan Smith, you know, started the Super Bowl at left tackle,
Speaker 5: so that was an effect.
Speaker 4: Soue did a lot of sky Sports covered.
Speaker 5: The offensive line in the defensive line was doable.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: Wait, who was the quarterback? Lusher?
Speaker 2: Quarterback was when let's start there? So Wentzon Bridgewater. Joe
Speaker 2: Flacco was out there. Isn't that crazy? He was out there,
Speaker 2: was not even selected for a fake football team. So
Speaker 2: let's start with the quarterback position this year because it
Speaker 2: is not in a great spot.
Speaker 1: Greggy, I think we all agree.
Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill, aged thirty five, is a perfect guy to
Speaker 2: slot in. First time gray Beard. Yeah, so welcome to
Speaker 2: the team. But thank god Tannehill didn't get signed in
Speaker 2: the last week or so, because where are we going
Speaker 2: if Tannerhill goes down. He's had injury issues.
Speaker 3: You don't have to go to like Blaine Gabbert, Trump
Speaker 3: or Simeons. So yes, there's a steep.
Speaker 5: We do need to keep him healthy, you know, Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 5: I think it's familiar with my appreciation of him over
Speaker 5: the years. You know, he's known as a leader, a coat.
Speaker 5: He's becoming a high school coach. I would be willing
Speaker 5: to offer him even more money than that high school
Speaker 5: could possibly be given to bring him back, to bring
Speaker 5: him back as a backup and coach.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was starving interviews about it seems like
Speaker 2: it's breaking the rules though, Like, here's.
Speaker 1: The thing, Eddie's three years. We all love that Eddie.
Speaker 2: But Teddy was given interviews into the Detroit media in
Speaker 2: like early December saying like how excited he was to
Speaker 2: leave the NFL. It was like, dude, you're the backup quarterback.
Speaker 2: I think he's going on to a different days in
Speaker 2: his life. I kind of threw out Brian Hoyer because
Speaker 2: he is a good locker room okay, dude, but I
Speaker 2: mean he can't play anymore either.
Speaker 1: It's very rough. We'll take coiir as the backup.
Speaker 3: I think over do you have backups or are we
Speaker 3: just because yeah, we all laid I believe in Tannehill.
Speaker 3: I think he provides the right kind of spark for
Speaker 3: this locked and loaded QB one.
Speaker 2: Maybe one of the best qb ones we've had in
Speaker 2: this exercise. Isn't it also crazy that Blaine Gabbert is
Speaker 2: thirty four years old?
Speaker 3: Though well a lot of these names would make all
Speaker 3: the three of us feel and he's been much older
Speaker 3: than replaced by last year's Graybeard Carson Wentz, So that
Speaker 3: might spell the end of Gabbert's.
Speaker 1: Although he was with the Chiefs and if Andy Reid
Speaker 1: thought he was a sound backup or a good option,
Speaker 1: should we perhaps go with Blaine as the backup Bruce.
Speaker 5: Arians The reason they wanted him there, apparently was because
Speaker 5: Mahomes especially was obsessed with Tom Brady and just wanted
Speaker 5: like Tom Brady's backup to like, you know, that was
Speaker 5: part do we want that?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's worse. Do you guys think there's worse reason?
Speaker 3: I'm a little worried to Tanna Hill.
Speaker 1: That's a really weird explanation, but.
Speaker 5: Well, it was part of it. They just thought, like
Speaker 5: you know, he was around him for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: They called Drew Bledsoe first, and they're like, Julie want
Speaker 2: to be my backup this year?
Speaker 1: So all right, should I put in Blaine? Tannehill also
Speaker 1: had some rough rough moments last year.
Speaker 4: But yeah, behind a terrible offense, some other.
Speaker 5: Games where he looked looked better. All right, let's put Gabbert.
Speaker 5: He's a handsome guy, too.
Speaker 1: Very good looking.
Speaker 2: He'll he'll pop in the team photo. All right, running back.
Speaker 2: So this is where again I had to make that
Speaker 2: a change that it changes things because Ezekiel Elliott is
Speaker 2: in his age twenty eight season, A lot of rumors
Speaker 2: connecting him going back to DALLASA. It's being floated out
Speaker 2: there by certain people. What are you laughing about that?
Speaker 2: I we could call this the Zeke rule if we want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's funny that you changed the rule to get Zeke on.
Speaker 5: Although he does feel like a graveyard, and I think
Speaker 5: he literally does have is a g think he has
Speaker 5: some gray in it. I I just assumed he was
Speaker 5: over thirty without decades. So that's why I'm laughing. A
Speaker 5: lot of miles I wrote. I wrote his name down
Speaker 5: without even check.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got that.
Speaker 3: The original age boundary clipped him, and it clipped guys
Speaker 3: like Kareem Hunt, Dalvin Cook. But I guess now all
Speaker 3: these people are back in the conversation.
Speaker 5: It's funny because I had the same two guys we
Speaker 5: had a year ago, Yes, Us Murray and Jarek McKinnon.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let's get by with that. So I had,
Speaker 1: I had, I said, Zeke and Kareem Hunt, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna seek in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: That's the one problem here, right, No once you once,
Speaker 3: they're Graybeard forever.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, that's an important distinction that I always have
Speaker 2: to lay out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying you think that, but you also listen.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna put up a stop
Speaker 5: sign on Cream Hunt.
Speaker 1: He looked woe for last year.
Speaker 5: He also had his off field issues for a fake team,
Speaker 5: we can keep current and his three three yards per
Speaker 5: carry off the list. He did not look like this
Speaker 5: Kaream Hunt. To me a year ago, it looked like
Speaker 5: the he might have suddenly kind of hit the cliff.
Speaker 1: For I'm fine with that. We could let Kareem walk.
Speaker 2: I will say, just from because you're being very analytical,
Speaker 2: and that's important.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 2: You're looking at it's not as West always said, it's
Speaker 2: not just about the name, it's the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we also put some we gotta put some
Speaker 1: meat in the seats. Yeah, but kaream hunts. Now I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That I get that he's on the ticket. You know,
Speaker 4: he's on the.
Speaker 2: Meat in the seats like a lot of buttocks in
Speaker 2: the in the in the chairs, like a lot of
Speaker 2: sad Patriots fans.
Speaker 5: I will defend the Zeke era in New England that
Speaker 5: I'm sure people weren't like. He's obviously doesn't have the
Speaker 5: greatest explosiveness ever now, but he was Okay, I think
Speaker 5: he's just you think he's okay, he's perfect for this team.
Speaker 3: All right, So we're pairing Zeke with someone else though, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: I would lobby for Jeric McKinnon.
Speaker 2: And okay, so Greg said that too, So let's let's
Speaker 2: roll with that. Good and just I'm gonna and these guys.
Speaker 5: He can he can also tell us about what it's
Speaker 5: like to win a Super Bowl that multiple times.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true.
Speaker 2: Here are some other options, so we said to Zeke, Boston, Scott,
Speaker 2: Damien Harris just retired.
Speaker 1: Cam Aker is not eligible.
Speaker 2: He's only twenty four whoa uh dare Agon Boalle Poor JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins is out there still, but just twenty five Matt
Speaker 2: Brida is an option for us. Rashad Penny is an
Speaker 2: option for us. He's got to be under thirty as well.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 4: I like what we've I like what we've cooked up here.
Speaker 1: Tavius Murray is thirty four.
Speaker 5: Otavius Murray has had a strange career where he never
Speaker 5: seems to age and always like is better than the
Speaker 5: younger people around him.
Speaker 1: But I like so.
Speaker 5: Jeric makes the JJ Dobins by the way, as a
Speaker 5: guy I would be intrigued about. As an NFL team.
Speaker 5: I know he's I mean not serious injury, but I
Speaker 5: think you'd be worth a shot.
Speaker 2: All right, Wide receiver here we go a lot of options.
Speaker 2: We're gonna lead with someone who is a graveyard last
Speaker 2: year for the first time and again meeting the seats.
Speaker 2: You need somebody On the cover of the media guide
Speaker 2: it is Odell Beckham Junior, once again leading the wide
Speaker 2: receiver group. Anybody disagree that, well I don't disagree, but
Speaker 2: according to the rule that he's on, he's on, I
Speaker 2: would say, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3: You want to sell the tickets. Children and adults alike
Speaker 3: would be fascinated by the concept. Uh, you know, he's
Speaker 3: linked very heavily to the dolphins right now.
Speaker 1: Would children it's been a long time since the catch
Speaker 1: at the met Yes, sell, you could.
Speaker 5: Sell it about you're not pretty and tod he still
Speaker 5: sort of has a here's with Odell right in the
Speaker 5: catch and there and there's some highlights you can go back,
Speaker 5: but yeah, him and Tannehill.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a bigger picture of Odell.
Speaker 5: It's like he's got the big face and then Tannahill's
Speaker 5: maybe a second face.
Speaker 4: That's the other way.
Speaker 5: I think that's the cover of your guide because that's
Speaker 5: a real quarterback.
Speaker 1: People know.
Speaker 2: But in the eighties they would do the family pictures
Speaker 2: were to be the profile the child's head and then
Speaker 2: the pose of them together, like holding blocks.
Speaker 3: I do that with like people in their cats, Like
Speaker 3: there's a second circle where the cat is looking in
Speaker 3: a different direction.
Speaker 2: We got big funk behind the glass. Who you know.
Speaker 2: The stuff this guy can do in the edit is remarkable.
Speaker 5: It's phoen I thought you're gonna talk about his cats,
Speaker 5: because there's not an animal that Randy Shaves is not
Speaker 5: taken care of in the entire animal planet.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about cats, but we can have a
Speaker 2: separate save it for the Feline podcast, Randy, if you know,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it off off Mike, But we
Speaker 2: want the old nineteen eighty three perspective shot. And then
Speaker 2: that's kind of in the distance. Maybe it's a little
Speaker 2: phased out a little bit like it's not as clear,
Speaker 2: and then in the foreground it's some type of like
Speaker 2: action shot something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good anyway.
Speaker 2: Odell, I'm gonna throw out Tyler Boyd, who's uh twenty
Speaker 2: nine years old.
Speaker 1: You guys think about Tyler Boyd.
Speaker 3: Well, I think this rule is you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know why this rule exists if we don't use it
Speaker 3: to get the younger player that still has upside.
Speaker 5: I thought he turns. He turns thirty during the season,
Speaker 5: so you don't even need the rules. Good either way, solid,
Speaker 5: you know this rule. Maybe coming off his worst year,
Speaker 5: but he still had six hundred and sixty seven yards
Speaker 5: in that year. He just seemed like maybe the contract
Speaker 5: situation was bothering. He did some mental error, some drops.
Speaker 5: Well we don't love that though, but a nice slot receiver.
Speaker 5: I mean he's I think this is our strongest position
Speaker 5: group on the teams.
Speaker 1: Upside.
Speaker 5: I like that here, and I think we got to
Speaker 5: add a little spice to this. I think we got
Speaker 5: to bring in Michael Thomas.
Speaker 1: It's time. I haven't come home to the graveyard a
Speaker 1: little bit of a locker room lawyer. We want a
Speaker 1: locker room lawyer in the building.
Speaker 3: It's a fresh start, though, And there is this like
Speaker 3: what if he stays healthy and he doesn't have this
Speaker 3: eighteen by.
Speaker 2: Guy's not looking too bad by the way. No, we
Speaker 2: have a guy that has the catch record. We have
Speaker 2: Zeke was one of the most famous, uh you know
Speaker 2: NFL players of the previous decade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have of Ryan Tannehill carried to multiple episodes
Speaker 5: of Hard Knocks.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: And also when you get Ryan Tannehill, you get Lauren
Speaker 2: Tannehill as well.
Speaker 1: You do, yep.
Speaker 3: I would say for especially for you know, fans that
Speaker 3: have been in a coma for two and a half
Speaker 3: three years, like this looks like an I.
Speaker 5: Would push back in terms of the locker room lawyer aspect,
Speaker 5: but I think we're looking forward to social media is key.
Speaker 5: If things go wrong, he'll keep like all attention is
Speaker 5: good attention, And I think Michael Thomas will keep us
Speaker 5: in the news right.
Speaker 2: I don't like that Saints element bringing it into my building.
Speaker 2: But I understand Thomas is someone that you want to
Speaker 2: bank on, maybe giving you a little and he's got
Speaker 2: he's got it. He's a name brand. So I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm just a little worried about it. We just lean
Speaker 2: into the markets. We need a strong base in terms
Speaker 2: of leadership, all right. I also I'm going to add
Speaker 2: a fourth receiver here. I know Thomas we're gonna put
Speaker 2: in the slot, but I also like Hunter Renfro in
Speaker 2: the slot here.
Speaker 5: Well, you now you're using the age rule for what reason?
Speaker 5: What do you mean although he has been balding for
Speaker 5: a long time, he's older than you take like he's just.
Speaker 2: His hairline was hurting on hard knocks as a rookie.
Speaker 2: So yes, he he'll he'll fit in, uh visibly. But
Speaker 2: also I know you you waged a war against Renfro
Speaker 2: early in his career, Greg, and then he fell out
Speaker 2: of favor with the Raiders that felt like the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. But he's still just this is his
Speaker 2: age twenty eight season. I want to I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: him up. Is there someone else that you guys are
Speaker 2: I want MVS.
Speaker 1: On this team.
Speaker 5: I think we got the slot handled with Boy and Thomas.
Speaker 1: I want some speed.
Speaker 5: It's pretty rare to have a graybeard with some deep speed.
Speaker 5: He's quiet all season, but in the non existent playoffs
Speaker 5: that the Graybeards have never made team, he always he
Speaker 5: comes up big in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Vs. What do you think?
Speaker 4: Very frustrating player.
Speaker 3: But that's not going to be on like three quarters
Speaker 3: of our roster, so that fits right in.
Speaker 1: You m VS.
Speaker 3: Over Renfro for you. I thought Renfro was already in it.
Speaker 3: We're picking our one. We have Odell there, but Michael
Speaker 3: Sterley Shepherd. I don't know, like that gets ugly Markus Goodman,
Speaker 3: I'll go MVS.
Speaker 1: I just want to I'm okay with that. You know
Speaker 1: who actually had this.
Speaker 5: I think it was the second highest percentage of snaps
Speaker 5: of any available wide receiver free agent that was over
Speaker 5: thirty was Alan Robinson. I was like, Wow, Alan Robinson
Speaker 5: played a lot for the Steelers last year, but I
Speaker 5: do not feel like bringing in Alan.
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson is not on this team. He can't and
Speaker 1: Julio Jones caught a pass in the playoffs last year.
Speaker 5: Do you remember that thirty five years old for the
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, it's the thing that happened. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: was a graveyard last year. Randall Cobb is out there.
Speaker 5: You know who else is out there now? Not Graybeard
Speaker 5: eligible even under the Zeke rule.
Speaker 2: But Chase Claypool is not employed anymore, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's going to get employed anytime soon. Like
Speaker 2: he might be in the whatever what's the you know
Speaker 2: for COCTA Spring League called it now ufl like he
Speaker 2: might have to go re established the brand at this point.
Speaker 1: And to think that the Bears surrendered his second round
Speaker 1: pick for him two years ago, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: That gets washed away in the current hype.
Speaker 5: I went to confirm that Julio Jones caught a pass.
Speaker 5: He cut three passes in the playoffs. Hell, yeah, you're
Speaker 5: wondering how far that Egos offense fell.
Speaker 2: All right, do we have to take a break where
Speaker 2: we're due for beggar. Let's take a break and then
Speaker 2: we'll get through the rest of the graveyards roster. Right,
Speaker 2: So so far, so good, I have to say. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you look at the offense, now, let's it's let's
Speaker 2: get to tight end. There's there are some options here.
Speaker 2: The one that kind of jumps out to me is
Speaker 2: Logan Thomas, thirty two years old with yepj Ozama is
Speaker 2: coming up a bad knee injury. He is on the market,
Speaker 2: Bobby Tanian's out there.
Speaker 4: How do the real health situations factor into this?
Speaker 1: They factor in? Okay?
Speaker 5: Well, I love Logan Thomas as an option, been productive
Speaker 5: throughout his career.
Speaker 1: Do we want Jimmy grahmm on that media man an injury?
Speaker 5: I you know, we keep bringing back Marcedes Lewis, and
Speaker 5: so does the NFL. He's now forty to have a
Speaker 5: forty year old gray beard, pretty cool, pretty exciting.
Speaker 3: I I yeah, i'd Lewis. We can put him on
Speaker 3: the coaching stuff, not with Jimmy Graham. I think Jimmy
Speaker 3: Graham is better for the for the media guide.
Speaker 1: Does Jimmy Graham put me in the seats? I don't
Speaker 1: know at this stage.
Speaker 5: He did release a He had an Instagram post a
Speaker 5: few weeks ago that seemed to sound retirement ish. Uh,
Speaker 5: just kind of like, hey, the end of the season
Speaker 5: was quick, didn't didn't get a chance to thank everyone
Speaker 5: for like a fun year in New Orleans. I think
Speaker 5: Logan Thomas and I like Marcedes Lewis as their backup,
Speaker 5: just like Kee.
Speaker 1: Is he turning forty this year?
Speaker 3: He's forty. Yeah, that's specialist. I think that that that
Speaker 3: has a nice get something pieces and some nice It.
Speaker 5: Was literally drafted with Grace Jones Drew. No mj D
Speaker 5: is always talking about him. He mj D says he's
Speaker 5: still a player in the league. It's it's cute, let's see,
Speaker 5: let's see kicker. Uh man.
Speaker 2: I really wish I could put Robbie Gould down here,
Speaker 2: but I think he retired, didn't he.
Speaker 3: I don't think he fits for this like he did
Speaker 3: if someone didn't even this last year.
Speaker 2: But as he filed his paperwork, I'm just asking questions
Speaker 2: as one must.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did. I think we talked about it.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Big Boned Randy is out there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, a special We have a special bond.
Speaker 1: With Big Bone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't like him as a kicker well and his
Speaker 2: zaft take figure. I like, I relate to it. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's something he battles. But he also has
Speaker 2: now been kicking for about ten years. He's getting the
Speaker 2: full pension and this is a way to say you've
Speaker 2: battled through a lot of adversity, Come on in.
Speaker 3: Like your other options are, like what Brett maher like,
Speaker 3: I'm going I'm with you, like fat, Randy's been an
Speaker 3: art or Randy.
Speaker 1: Pulletsho whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: That's what the nickname was.
Speaker 1: I didn't exact that day on our show.
Speaker 5: To be fair, he's slimmed down. He's gone up and
Speaker 5: down over the years.
Speaker 3: Now that I'll have to see him in the hallways,
Speaker 3: you know, inside the team complex. That would probably shy
Speaker 3: away from calling him though.
Speaker 5: It's also a connection to Chris Chris Westling. I feel
Speaker 5: like he had a lot of opinions about Randy Bullock
Speaker 5: back in the day.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he got a kick out of his figure.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's rubenesque, and that just I like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: I think it's important for our team to embrace all
Speaker 2: body types as well. It's a good message. Body inclusive
Speaker 2: is a big thing now, So welcome Randy. All right, punter, punter, punter.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys. I was like literally
Speaker 3: looking for punters. There is not a point to search stops.
Speaker 5: As far as I can tell, there is not a
Speaker 5: punter who punted the ball in the NFL last year.
Speaker 5: That is a free agent that is over thirty. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but how about this we I did.
Speaker 3: We don't punt. We don't punt. That's a that's you
Speaker 3: could get fans involved with that one. I could be
Speaker 3: like searching it wrong, but I don't think so. I
Speaker 3: don't think there is an available. I have an idea
Speaker 3: had a punt.
Speaker 5: Presley Harvin again, body diversity inclusive, but he's quite young.
Speaker 5: The Steelers cut him.
Speaker 3: If you go to open the cap all these sights now,
Speaker 3: don't enlist one of these.
Speaker 1: There is not a punch I'll thrown out there. Sewn Lindetta.
Speaker 3: Okay, what did I literally write on my screen? Sean Lenarretta,
Speaker 3: who's sixty two? Okay, lets Dan, that's how legends are
Speaker 3: made when you're team building. We both have, Shawn.
Speaker 5: Is why I was pointing out to Mark last week
Speaker 5: that it was tough for him when Dan's out of
Speaker 5: the out of the state.
Speaker 4: Shawn Lendetta, sixty two.
Speaker 1: We both thought of Sean Lindetta.
Speaker 2: Somewhere, Poppy is smiling on the brown couch, drinking his
Speaker 2: root beer, not talking to me. All right, Shawn Lendetta.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the gray Beard's. Hopefully he's staying in shape.
Speaker 2: All right, offensive line.
Speaker 5: We'll keep an eye on the waiver wire in case
Speaker 5: anyone loses a job in camp elsewhere.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw out just what I put it projected
Speaker 2: the line, and if you guys want to replace anyone,
Speaker 2: I'm totally open to it. Right tackle Billy Turner, right guard,
Speaker 2: Cody Whitehair, center, Connor Williams, left guard d J. Fluker
Speaker 2: and bringing in David Back is a perfect gray Beard
Speaker 2: at left tackle.
Speaker 4: I had back Ti Connor Williams as well.
Speaker 1: Well. Connor Williams is like twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that's why.
Speaker 1: Well young Oh okay, get okay, get rid of Connor.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's got he's twenty six, he said.
Speaker 4: I thought he was.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm thinking another hold on. There's multiple Connor McGovern.
Speaker 3: Connor McGovern is only thirty and offensive line for the
Speaker 3: New York Jets in the last three years.
Speaker 5: Because I actually had Lake and Tomlinson maybe as one
Speaker 5: of my guards, the tackle position might be the best
Speaker 5: on the roster. I take it back from the receiver. Andrews.
Speaker 5: Pete played quite well late last season at left tackle
Speaker 5: for the st typically a guard, but typically a guard,
Speaker 5: so you could play him at guard or tackle. But
Speaker 5: I'm a little surprised he's still out there. And then
Speaker 5: Donovan Smith, I mean he wasn't lighting it up, but
Speaker 5: he did, you know, start for the Super Bowl Champs
Speaker 5: and most of the season for the he stepped in
Speaker 5: for it. He was okay, No, he was there all year.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, right right, I'm thinking of the right tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he left, he was injured, and then he came back.
Speaker 5: Uh so, who did you have it as your left
Speaker 5: tackle before? I had good though, I like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: think he's that's he's putting.
Speaker 1: The people are like they want to know what's next
Speaker 1: in his journey.
Speaker 5: I think it's the draft that's keeping these guys out
Speaker 5: there because compared to other positions, I was like a
Speaker 5: number Charles Leno is another one. I was like a
Speaker 5: number of these guys could actually play meaningful NFL snaps
Speaker 5: in the fall, and I don't see that at many positions.
Speaker 5: We want to where there is like five or six tackles,
Speaker 5: do we.
Speaker 1: Want to kick down Ivan Smith to right tackle.
Speaker 3: I think it's that it's that type of versatility that
Speaker 3: we'll look at who we put in the pivot.
Speaker 5: I guess BOCKERI but he hasn't stayed healthy too often,
Speaker 5: you know, bro the pivot center.
Speaker 4: I think Connor McGovern.
Speaker 1: You got to get in the term terminology if you're
Speaker 1: going to be a true front office head.
Speaker 4: Connor McGovern was thirty third ranks the pivot.
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening as pussy as I should have.
Speaker 4: Lucas Patrick.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite it like tropes of people talking
Speaker 2: ball like about the pivot.
Speaker 1: Who's in the pivot? Okay, let's put Pete in at guard?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: We got Bachtiari and Donovan Smith attack on yehs going all.
Speaker 1: Right, so we'll put Andrews Pete. These guys.
Speaker 2: You had, I like that, Cody at right guard, and
Speaker 2: then who's in the pivot? There weren't many.
Speaker 4: I think Connor mccovern, all right, he's thirty years old.
Speaker 5: Again, Lucas Patrick, I looked at a man Tyler Shatley
Speaker 5: just for the name is we clearly were the.
Speaker 3: Quarterback is going to be shatleeing his pants when we
Speaker 3: were sifting through the same software.
Speaker 5: Yeah, justin Pugh as a man who had some social
Speaker 5: media excitement last year, Giants when he said he was
Speaker 5: straight off the couch. Uh as the as the team
Speaker 5: that he played for on Sunday Night football, I believe.
Speaker 1: So that was exciting.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move off the line before people fall asleep.
Speaker 2: All right, how about the defensive line? Okay, who are
Speaker 2: putting on the edge?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm excited to get Jerry use on the team
Speaker 1: we played three, four or fourth.
Speaker 3: I would say, we are you could you could go
Speaker 3: four to three here if you want to get four.
Speaker 5: I think so too. Emmanuel Ogba's still out there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think Jerry Hughes mayort uh Emmanuel Agba. But Dupre
Speaker 5: was in a weird system.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Our friend Henry Hodson pushed back on me a little
Speaker 5: bit that I had Agba in our in my top
Speaker 5: one oh one when when Xavi and Howard wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: I'm just like Agba always used to be good and
Speaker 5: then he didn't really fit in the fan geo scheme.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe Melvin Ingram's never disappointed when he signs with
Speaker 5: the team halfway through the season. Justin Houston somehow unique
Speaker 5: last year, somehow unique andwa is not old enough to
Speaker 5: qualify still yet he's been in the NFL for seventy
Speaker 5: three seasons.
Speaker 1: But who's putting their hand in the dirt? Well, both
Speaker 1: the dressers. Yeah, I'm trying to use terminal. Who are
Speaker 1: the d tackles?
Speaker 4: Uh Klais Campbell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's a great one thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, that will leave you concerns about Michael Thomas
Speaker 2: because Campbell will keep that.
Speaker 4: He'll keep it, He'll keep them in.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 5: I think we haven't gotten to our coaching staff, but
Speaker 5: there's some pretty good names available.
Speaker 1: But I think could really keep the discipline on. Did retire?
Speaker 3: He's a British tell he did not get a job
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: So is he still hanging spending summers with Leaca on
Speaker 1: the plant? Lawrence guy who.
Speaker 5: Famously made the All Decades team for the Patriots in
Speaker 5: the twenty ten.
Speaker 4: Somehow, William Goldston is out there, Jordan Phillips.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Campbell and Guy as my picks at
Speaker 5: defensive tackle.
Speaker 4: But uh, it's not a strong group. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 4: have a lot of listener.
Speaker 3: I think Campbell Campbell will help up the weakness of
Speaker 3: the other A linebackers. Anthony Barr. Barr was there last year, you've.
Speaker 5: Got Zach Cunningham came in and played some snaps, Kwan Alexander.
Speaker 1: It's not a strong like Kwan there positioned Nick Vigil.
Speaker 5: It's a bunch of guys who keep getting signed like
Speaker 5: late in the mix, and they fill in it. I
Speaker 5: think the linebackers making a comeback in the NFL of
Speaker 5: teams realizing that they're important, and the lack of lack
Speaker 5: of names available might spell that out here.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's go Bar Alexander and what gives
Speaker 2: one more Cunningham Cunnyham.
Speaker 1: Jack Leonard is too young for this. He's not with
Speaker 1: Italy though.
Speaker 2: I've lost many many Chack Leonard's not turned twenty eighth
Speaker 2: this year. Well we're doing this with Well, you're right, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I take that back, right, you're right, all right. This
Speaker 2: is where I've lost many seasons. Is in the secondary
Speaker 2: we are too Solon. I don't hate this group.
Speaker 1: It's ironic.
Speaker 5: Whereas that, you know, I think I keep saying it now,
Speaker 5: this is the strength of our team. I think the
Speaker 5: secondary is how could that be? How could there be
Speaker 5: why impact makers in?
Speaker 3: It could be draft related to But there's a couple
Speaker 3: of guys and they're like thirty thirty one, Like you
Speaker 3: got Stephan Gilmour's out there.
Speaker 5: Gilmour and Steven Nelson are two guys who play. You know,
Speaker 5: Steven Nelson was a lower level but played starting cornerback
Speaker 5: at a pretty high level last year.
Speaker 3: I love Gilmore, Savi, you and Howard. Oh that's you
Speaker 3: need three corners right? Oh yeah, okay, who's who were
Speaker 3: playing in the slot. Well, they're also experienced that we can.
Speaker 3: We can put Howard in three all sorts of strategic
Speaker 3: chaos for the We.
Speaker 2: Put Gilmour on an island and say good luck one
Speaker 2: more year. Yeah more riot Son, Yeah, just leave.
Speaker 1: On an island.
Speaker 5: These are some reasonable players. Though, by the way, Doy
Speaker 5: Jackson does not qualify, but he's a reason.
Speaker 1: Whenever we could leave a thirty two year old cornerback
Speaker 1: on an island, gotta do it sixty minutes in today's there.
Speaker 5: But you know what I'm I want to play a
Speaker 5: lot of zone because, you know, because of their age,
Speaker 5: and also because we've got good safeties.
Speaker 1: The safety position that's always flushed in this exercise.
Speaker 5: Justin Simmons is like Gilmore's thirty three, a recent All Pro.
Speaker 1: Justin Simmons.
Speaker 2: Gilmore's turning thirty four in September by week two, Okay,
Speaker 2: but he was playing well all right, Yeah, we're definitely
Speaker 2: playing zone.
Speaker 3: It's still quality player and I mean lucky other was
Speaker 3: It's the NFL or wherever we play in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: we got to be they're gonna mix it up.
Speaker 2: I got to mix it a mix up. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: scheme is fluid. It's not the old days schemes fluid.
Speaker 2: Don't try to put us in a box.
Speaker 3: If they get if they join a team in real
Speaker 3: life and get hurt in real life.
Speaker 5: Tell me this safety group isn't better than some NFL teams.
Speaker 5: Justin Simmons, Quandary Diggs, jay Ron Curse, and either Micah
Speaker 5: Hyde or to Shaan Gibson might be retiring.
Speaker 1: So that how many how many roster spots we have
Speaker 1: for safety? I don't know. I just usually do too.
Speaker 5: Let's go three because we're gonna play where again, we're
Speaker 5: trying to we're mixing a match and we're playing a
Speaker 5: three safety defense.
Speaker 3: Sometimes linebackers are so bad. I want to play one
Speaker 3: line back.
Speaker 2: We play four to one, right six, We're gonna do
Speaker 2: a little sneaky, get a twelve on the field move
Speaker 2: thatches it.
Speaker 1: I just think I I want to play. We don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of speed. Quandary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there, that usually works.
Speaker 5: We don't have a lot of speed. I just want
Speaker 5: to p vent the big play. I'm going to play
Speaker 5: six defensive backs at all time, six dbs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like let them complete five office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like eighteen yard screen pass after twenty yard
Speaker 3: screen passes?
Speaker 1: Are there guys that are? We're in my one oh
Speaker 1: one or close? Who who's our third? Eggs Simmons Diggs
Speaker 1: And let's go j run curse? All right? Good player?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, head coach, there's only one choice. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I mean it's writ in a book right now.
Speaker 5: He was wearing a University of Washington or is it
Speaker 5: Washington University sweatshirt this weekend giving people in the Pacific
Speaker 5: Northwest just the fields, I think because he was with
Speaker 5: his son Steve Belichick out of Washington coaches Clinic.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the game on Monday? Bill Belichick is
Speaker 1: our head coach? Hell? Yeah that is.
Speaker 2: And I know that that doesn't mean a lot in
Speaker 2: the modern league anymore. But for the graybeards, There's never
Speaker 2: been a more perfect synergy of a man who's been
Speaker 2: counted out because of his age. I don't tell me
Speaker 2: anything else. Belichick is the bell of the ball. If
Speaker 2: he's sixty two instead of seventy two. He has been
Speaker 2: counted out because people say the game is passed him by.
Speaker 1: The Gray Beards are here to prove.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like when we talk about like a violent Kude
Speaker 3: Todd in terms of hiring cycle, this would be it
Speaker 3: because this is someone who could go break down Shoul's
Speaker 3: record as the coach of the Gray Beards and that'd
Speaker 3: be good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say these two men, although they seem
Speaker 2: like they wouldn't be a good fit, they have actually,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, been on the same staff together.
Speaker 2: It is men who famously said he didn't come to
Speaker 2: kiss Bill Belichick's rings. But I kind of like pairing
Speaker 2: Bill with Rex Ryan and oh wow, the rexes DC.
Speaker 2: Bill's the head coach. It's Bill's defense obviously, but it's
Speaker 2: a Rex there. You know, Rex famously cooked up Bill
Speaker 2: in the twenty ten AFC Divisional playoffs.
Speaker 1: They they can work together and make magic.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about that that, you know, the
Speaker 3: team programs and stuff. We've got Rex Ryan and Bill
Speaker 3: Belichick joining forces.
Speaker 1: Was he on the Patriots Steph and Rob Ryan? Rob Ryan? Rex? Never?
Speaker 1: Oh not Rex? He was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so maybe Bill might veto that. But and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to do what other people, UH were
Speaker 2: unwilling to do. I'm gonna give Bill the final call.
Speaker 2: Like a Bill isn't comfortable with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought you were going somewhere else with this,
Speaker 5: And I kind of like the idea of First of all,
Speaker 5: this is the roster Bills always wanted. Just a bunch
Speaker 5: of hard, nos intelligent players, old bunch smart.
Speaker 1: A bunch of progress stoppers. He likes that in the NFL,
Speaker 1: He's gonna like it.
Speaker 5: On the behaviors, I think, you know, give a little
Speaker 5: sugar with all the the sourness that Bill gives you,
Speaker 5: and bring in Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: Those are two two of the greatest defenses.
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good call, you know, just to pump
Speaker 5: everyone up.
Speaker 2: Only have two coaches, we get multiple coaches. I think
Speaker 2: I think that's the play. As much as I love Rex,
Speaker 2: I think Bill, who Bill replaced Carol, didn't he once
Speaker 2: upon a time in New England he.
Speaker 3: Did, and that that was an agism type thing to
Speaker 3: the Pete Carroll thing exactly.
Speaker 2: So I think he's a perfect fit. So DC, Carol
Speaker 2: head coach Bill, I think we got to give Frank
Speaker 2: Signetty another chance. I don't see. I think Frank deserves
Speaker 2: hold Frank gotta be over.
Speaker 4: What fifty six?
Speaker 1: I think hold ons? Okay, let's see Frank. How old
Speaker 1: is Frank is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's turning fifty eight, fifty eight, So yeah, let's
Speaker 2: get him because he got bounced by the pitt Panthers.
Speaker 4: Right, and that never face.
Speaker 2: They said he wasn't good enough, probably like looking back,
Speaker 2: probably agism, I think so. And of course Special Teams
Speaker 2: coach always and forever Mike west Off, who ooh he
Speaker 2: trashed No, he didn't trash Belichick. He he was on
Speaker 2: our show and was annoyed that we were asking him
Speaker 2: like questions. He didn't want to talk about. West Off
Speaker 2: tresh parcels in his book, which Belichick's gonna love. So
Speaker 2: they're going to and they once upon it. I'm coached
Speaker 2: together on the Jets. So this is an incredible staff. Belichick,
Speaker 2: Carol west Off, Signetti, let's go.
Speaker 5: And I just just to get the gang back together,
Speaker 5: because you don't hear about him much lately. Let's bring
Speaker 5: in Charlie white as like a consultant.
Speaker 1: Get him in.
Speaker 3: Charlie consultant, good times, hard to forget Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Get him in the building. Not that old, actually sixty
Speaker 1: eight years old.
Speaker 5: Charlie white Son is the offensive coordinator for I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna put in Jane Kiffin's old miss team.
Speaker 1: How about that, He's gonna put in captions here. Get
Speaker 1: him in the building. The coaching staff really changes.
Speaker 5: It's my opinion on this team because before we learned
Speaker 5: I learned about the coaching staff or thought about it,
Speaker 5: I was going to predict ohen seventeen. I did not
Speaker 5: think this team was winning a ball game, not a
Speaker 5: single game.
Speaker 2: You're telling me can't get hot and the defense defense
Speaker 2: can't get some.
Speaker 1: Did they go a year ago? What was the I
Speaker 1: predicted six and eleven and they went four and third.
Speaker 4: They won four games with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 5: I believe I put it predicted that they're gonna win
Speaker 5: one in sixteen or two and fifteen last year. This
Speaker 5: team seems worse, But actually after talking through it, it's
Speaker 5: a little better.
Speaker 1: Than I thought.
Speaker 4: I think five and twelve.
Speaker 1: We gotta keep Tannahill.
Speaker 2: Healthy no matter what, and we got we got to
Speaker 2: keep Wiy's health healthy as well. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put with this coaching staff and the chips on
Speaker 2: the shoulders, I'm gonna put.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna predict nine and eight that is out.
Speaker 4: That is insane.
Speaker 5: Uh, because of the coaching staff. I think you put
Speaker 5: it in an average coaching staff, i'd be Owen seventeen.
Speaker 1: I think Bill coaches this. That's so messed up. How
Speaker 1: many does a great jobs got through all these position.
Speaker 2: Groups saying oh, this is a great group, this is
Speaker 2: a really good group, and we're not gonna steal a
Speaker 2: win with the basic coaching staff like that, I think.
Speaker 1: Well, there's just a couple of positioned groups that betrays
Speaker 1: the very nature the exercise.
Speaker 2: Greg, we're not nihilis here with the gray beards, like
Speaker 2: we believe in these trying.
Speaker 1: To be realistic.
Speaker 4: It's I'd say it's maybe the best secondary the gray Beards. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've ever had and that was killing them.
Speaker 5: It's a great secondary. Few years ago, I don't know
Speaker 5: where we're getting pressure. I think they're picking on our linebackers.
Speaker 5: The protection we'll see. But if they can't keep Tannehill
Speaker 5: healthy for.
Speaker 2: Trumble, that is everything starts there, Lily at Zeke twenty seven,
Speaker 2: we haven't had a consistent pass rusher, by the way
Speaker 2: since John Abraham.
Speaker 1: No, sorry, all right, because of the coaching staff.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's a magical season and they coach
Speaker 5: them up to six wins and it's.
Speaker 1: They Actually he gets Coach of the Year votes getting
Speaker 1: those six team of eighten.
Speaker 4: I do that today. All right, there you go.
Speaker 2: That is the the Graybeards of twenty twenty four. Geez,
Speaker 2: Tannehill ice that ankle, bud ice them both getting the
Speaker 2: hyperback chamber until training camp. That that's what we need
Speaker 2: health at the QB position. And I think we can steal.
Speaker 2: We could steal a lot of wins. All right, We'll
Speaker 2: take a break and then we'll close things out.
Speaker 6: I'll beg I'm so hungry.
Speaker 1: We need your help. We need this. Come on, Greg,
Speaker 1: we are in the future. Would you be my dad?
Speaker 1: We need your help, Greg?
Speaker 3: Can I trust you?
Speaker 6: Hey, Jag, we must listen to Dela Whale do it
Speaker 6: for us.
Speaker 1: We need your help.
Speaker 6: Greg.
Speaker 1: We look, Deela Whale.
Speaker 6: We we need to listen to Deli Whale. It's up
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 1: Wow, first of all, adorable. Yeah, those are all of
Speaker 1: our children. I think it was Walker. No, my kids.
Speaker 1: Your kids were not involved. I texted your wife. She
Speaker 1: didn't reply.
Speaker 4: I believe mine were of it.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not certain about that.
Speaker 1: No, Oh, you didn't hear I heard Luke and Colton
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: I went in thinking it was just your too, so
Speaker 3: I'd have to listen again. Really, yeah, but I was
Speaker 3: also a long that was a long time ago. So
Speaker 3: there's their voices have changed. Many years have passed, Many
Speaker 3: years have passed since Greg.
Speaker 2: We first have asked about the tapes, the Delaware tape,
Speaker 2: and it's this is not by the way, this isn't
Speaker 2: an ambush, so don't worry.
Speaker 1: But developing news. I don't know when you went away
Speaker 1: on vacation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there may have been some conversation about reopening the
Speaker 2: investigation for the tapes. Okay, and I want to tell
Speaker 2: you that we are in possession of the tapes.
Speaker 1: Now, wow, that is an ambush.
Speaker 2: But I'm not playing the tapes and I haven't listened
Speaker 2: to them either. Well, you're going to be disappointed, but
Speaker 2: I have the tapes we read.
Speaker 1: We put a call.
Speaker 4: Out, Yeah, call to arms. People responded, call the arms.
Speaker 2: I don't want to give up my source here, but
Speaker 2: we're in possession of the tapes now.
Speaker 1: I want to just cycle back. Greg.
Speaker 2: I want you to think about this, because I know
Speaker 2: your first instinct is going to say, if you they
Speaker 2: stay in the vault, we never hear them. But those
Speaker 2: children that you heard better for the bit. Those children
Speaker 2: that you heard were begging for it, Yeah, begging. And
Speaker 2: it reminded me why that existed in the first place,
Speaker 2: which was the idea that if we can put together
Speaker 2: some type of charitable donation and the listeners could get
Speaker 2: involved as well as Mark and I will as well
Speaker 2: toward Greg's charity of choice, the Food Bank of Santa Monica's.
Speaker 4: Right, sure that would be appropriate in exchange.
Speaker 2: For giving us access to a listening session, a one
Speaker 2: time listening session of Delaware. So I'm going to again
Speaker 2: put that out there to you, Greg, now that we
Speaker 2: have the tapes. Out of respect for you as a friend,
Speaker 2: I would never just ambush you and play the tapes.
Speaker 1: But we do have the tapes now.
Speaker 2: So now it's just a matter of you agreeing and
Speaker 2: giving the listeners. And I'm the reason it came up
Speaker 2: while you were away is people have been constantly hitting
Speaker 2: us up about this for years, constantly would be the right.
Speaker 1: Right, like where are the tapes? The Delaware tapes come on, Greg.
Speaker 2: So the fact that now we do have the tapes,
Speaker 2: it is fully the ball is in your court to
Speaker 2: give the lit it's really twofold, give the listeners what
Speaker 2: they've been clamoring for a decade, and two to actually
Speaker 2: help people in need via a donation to charity.
Speaker 3: You also could factor in the potential outcome that Dan
Speaker 3: and Mark cannot find a tape player anywhere. So that
Speaker 3: that's the second part of this mission.
Speaker 1: It's three file. Don't worry, Okay, sit there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't believe you that you haven't listened. Wow, I promise you.
Speaker 5: I do believe you. But I just I'm surprised. It
Speaker 5: wasn't Hawaii. It was you know it was. It was
Speaker 5: the wrong words for it.
Speaker 2: We put the call out and immediately heard back from
Speaker 2: parties connected.
Speaker 1: Oh no, quick, this is I mean it is a name.
Speaker 1: Bush is quite a surprise. It's going to be you
Speaker 1: want to think on it. We don't even know.
Speaker 5: It's going to be disappointing to hear the forty five
Speaker 5: second like joke songs over like a tape recorder that
Speaker 5: were made with us in a piano.
Speaker 2: No, it will not be disappointed, but maybe it will
Speaker 2: be disappointing. Uh, or as Mark's probably not going to
Speaker 2: be disappointing. Uh yeah, because he did this the sore.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't even say, hey, this person, this individual even
Speaker 2: gave me some background information.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know who it is. How would I
Speaker 1: not know who it is? I don't know. What do
Speaker 1: you mean? We don't know what you know?
Speaker 5: Oh, there is only one There is only one person
Speaker 5: who would have kept kept and everything, kept a record,
Speaker 5: kept kept everything going.
Speaker 4: So it's well, they betrayed you.
Speaker 1: Well the start right there there. He wouldn't look at
Speaker 1: it like that. Are you well, are you upset with
Speaker 1: me or this individual? No?
Speaker 5: No, I can't be upset. You know that you just
Speaker 5: dug it up. Finally it happened.
Speaker 1: Uh. If you know who this is, he does.
Speaker 2: He has a kind of a funny little story also
Speaker 2: about your time together in high school.
Speaker 1: Working at the local newspaper.
Speaker 5: It was not the local newspaper, but it was our
Speaker 5: school newspaper in which we were co sports editors for
Speaker 5: a hot minute and then I sort of just bailed
Speaker 5: on it and left him to do all the work.
Speaker 2: He kind of hints at that, but he the email
Speaker 2: sent by this source was very jovial in nature. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's there's I don't believe there to be. And Mark,
Speaker 2: I haven't shared this with you either any bad intentions.
Speaker 2: It was more, oh, you know, do you want this?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: It is and now Greg has a big decision to make,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't betray you and your privacy if you
Speaker 2: want to keep the past in the past, but just
Speaker 2: letting you know that it's out there and that is
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a major score, by the way, by
Speaker 2: the Zuzzar as a journalist to after years of looking
Speaker 2: to find the tapes and now it is in your hands,
Speaker 2: and you tell us if you're open to the idea
Speaker 2: of a donation to bring the tapes forth, perhaps we
Speaker 2: play them at our podcast remote podcast at the Strand
Speaker 2: in about a month. I think that would be a
Speaker 2: listening party if you will these ideas.
Speaker 3: I would like you know, Greg, I mean, sleep on
Speaker 3: it multiple times, just stretch this out for like, let's
Speaker 3: really build up to that.
Speaker 5: And that's yes's part great journalism work by you. Dan
Speaker 5: to read the tweet that was sent to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, don't don't hit out at me doing my job.
Speaker 5: I actually do remember when Jeff sent a similar one
Speaker 5: seven or eight years ago. It might have been over
Speaker 5: Facebook or something like that, and just everyone ignored him
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay.
Speaker 4: Well the investigation.
Speaker 5: Or it was even brought up on this show as
Speaker 5: many years ago, maybe ten years ago.
Speaker 1: The yeah, it has been. And now it shifts to
Speaker 1: decision time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in this decision year for our country, a pivotal
Speaker 2: election coming up, it is Greg now that first has
Speaker 2: the pivotal decision.
Speaker 5: For new listeners. Yeah, it was a It was a band.
Speaker 5: I was in jokie band. I mean, we didn't really
Speaker 5: play shows other than I think our school's talent show
Speaker 5: a few times, and we had some we had some songs,
Speaker 5: we had some tapes.
Speaker 2: And the call is put out there and my source,
Speaker 2: a listener tracked down the source on social media to
Speaker 2: let him know that the call.
Speaker 3: Was out all the president's men in two point zero unbelievable.
Speaker 2: All right, So there you go, let us know. We
Speaker 2: want to hear your debut album. How do you want
Speaker 2: to cook? We're interested in maybe shiny Man went to Frogtown?
Speaker 1: Now was that second? That was second? I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back on Wednesday. I mean, what
Speaker 1: a bombshell you get.
Speaker 2: You get the tension in the area, and it's not
Speaker 2: even like an unhealthy I could feel Gregg's gears turning
Speaker 2: like should I or shouldn't I?
Speaker 1: And can I can help people? Like all that stuff
Speaker 1: is happening in real time? Right? Yeah? Mark really is.
Speaker 3: It is a fascinating subplot to our lives.
Speaker 5: As much as I am loath to help people, it's
Speaker 5: it's a tough decision, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Well you just try to sleep with it if
Speaker 2: you can. Uh, until then we'll maybe get an answer
Speaker 2: and the hopefully near future, we'll.
Speaker 1: Be back Wednesday another episode of Around the NFL. Till
Speaker 1: then see the call.