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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My parents named me Matt.
Speaker 3: My name is Nola.
Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 4: superducer Alexis code name Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you
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Speaker 4: you to know. It's a pretty great week for us, folks.
Speaker 4: We are we're coming in from some time on the road.
Speaker 4: Three fourth of us are back in our metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 4: and we are celebrating with some messages from you. We're
Speaker 4: going to learn a little bit more about the anti
Speaker 4: Christ and artificial intelligence. We're going to dive into some
Speaker 4: stuff in advance of our supplement episode. Oh boy, that's
Speaker 4: gonna be that's gonna be one, and we're gonna learn
Speaker 4: about landfills. And before we do any of that, we
Speaker 4: get a lot of correspondence about cloning and some responses
Speaker 4: to our earlier thing about making sure we all have
Speaker 4: fire extinguishers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in a roundabout way, You're absolutely right, Ben, And
Speaker 5: this one could take a second, so I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: jump right into it with the message from Byron.
Speaker 3: I'm going to kind of take it.
Speaker 5: Out of order because the first thing is a little
Speaker 5: bit more of a thought experiment. The second thing is
Speaker 5: addressing a current news story. Hi, guys, I just finished
Speaker 5: listening to your episode on human cloning. Have you read
Speaker 5: Never Let Me Go by the Nobel Prize winning author
Speaker 5: Kazuo Ishiguro.
Speaker 3: I have not have, either of you, fellows.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty great.
Speaker 3: Cool, Okay, Matt, you I don't know that is well.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is going to be spoilery.
Speaker 5: This is going to be more of like a big picture,
Speaker 5: you know what the sort of framework of the world
Speaker 5: that's being represented in this sort of dystopian sci fi
Speaker 5: future is.
Speaker 3: And here it is.
Speaker 5: This novel is about exactly that topic, cloning people for
Speaker 5: their organs. A very well written novel which follows the
Speaker 5: lives of the clones from childhood up through young adulthood.
Speaker 5: Eventually they receive the letter from the British government that
Speaker 5: they need to report and begin donations. And when you
Speaker 5: are finished with donations, you have completed the novel is
Speaker 5: written in such a way that you feel attached to
Speaker 5: the protagonists, almost like you know them and can relate
Speaker 5: to them, rooting for them as you follow their lives,
Speaker 5: very distressing the way they go away one by one
Speaker 5: until the last one the story is told from her viewpoint,
Speaker 5: receives that letter.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I don't know this novel.
Speaker 5: Maybe Ben can add a little bit more context, but
Speaker 5: it sure sounds like what we know. Sci fi often
Speaker 5: is great at doing, which is positing future scenarios that
Speaker 5: maybe at the time of publication aren't necessarily on the table,
Speaker 5: but because of the forward thinking and kind of prescients
Speaker 5: of great sci fi writers often do tend to come
Speaker 5: around to resemble reality a lot more than they resemble
Speaker 5: some sort of you know, pie in the sky future
Speaker 5: and the idea we talked about this the ethics of
Speaker 5: cloning people for their organs, how that would require a
Speaker 5: structure of law that others those individuals in such a
Speaker 5: way as to have them not exist under the rights
Speaker 5: that others are able to exist under and be protected by.
Speaker 5: And it sounds like this is that scenario exactly right.
Speaker 5: And of course one thing that great fiction can do
Speaker 5: as well is put you in the shoes of some
Speaker 5: one that's going through a very specific experience and something
Speaker 5: that maybe we could never really fully understand through our experiences,
Speaker 5: but by you know, reading and kind of seeing things
Speaker 5: vicariously through them, we really can. And that's what great
Speaker 5: writing does. It allows you to kind of see other sides.
Speaker 5: So this it's again, having not read the novel, it
Speaker 5: sure sounds to me like these individuals are bred with
Speaker 5: this exact purpose, and once they're done with their once
Speaker 5: they've been raised to a certain point where their organs
Speaker 5: are viable, it sounds to me like they're donating all
Speaker 5: of the key ones and then they are no longer
Speaker 5: a viable human anymore, which means they weren't ever really
Speaker 5: looked at like that from the start. So I don't know, guys,
Speaker 5: maybe a little conversation quickly about the ethics of cloning
Speaker 5: and how this hits you as maybe being something that
Speaker 5: isn't too too far off from what society like this
Speaker 5: might resemble.
Speaker 2: There was a documentary on Netflix pretty recently, I think
Speaker 2: the end of last year, called The King of Clones,
Speaker 2: which highlighted some of this in the state of human
Speaker 2: cloning and the debate about human cloning, and also a
Speaker 2: person that appears to at least claimed to have cloned
Speaker 2: human beings for real. I don't know. It always feels
Speaker 2: like we're closer than maybe we actually are to getting
Speaker 2: to that point where we where human beings can get cloned.
Speaker 2: But of course there's so many rumors out there that
Speaker 2: there are secret projects right somewhere in a black budget
Speaker 2: where humans are cloned for various reasons. It is weird
Speaker 2: that didn't we recently human beings recently cloned a monkey,
Speaker 2: right which a Reesei's monkey that shares a lot of
Speaker 2: the DNA that humans have. So I mean, maybe we
Speaker 2: are right on the cusp.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, Ben any thoughts about suppressed technology
Speaker 5: or you know, maybe if this stuff is further along
Speaker 5: than we might think.
Speaker 4: It is absolutely feasible to not only clone human beings,
Speaker 4: but to clone them such that they could reproduce. However,
Speaker 4: it should be noted that there are hard legal limits
Speaker 4: on the ethics of human experimentation. Cloning a human being past,
Speaker 4: you know, like cloning them in the sci fi way,
Speaker 4: is automatically going to trip some hard lines ethically As
Speaker 4: a result, what's really holding us back from being in
Speaker 4: a Clone Wars Star Wars situation is entirely the same
Speaker 4: kind of thing that's holding back militarization of space. It's
Speaker 4: the agreement, the handshake paperwork of current human civilization. It's
Speaker 4: not the technology, not really, We just as a civilization
Speaker 4: reached this agreement where we said thou shalt not and
Speaker 4: we'll see how long that holds.
Speaker 5: So you think that agreement is what's maybe put the
Speaker 5: brakes on what can be developed in absolutely? Absolutely, but
Speaker 5: is it ironclad? Is their wiggle room as we progress,
Speaker 5: you know, and perhaps progress into a society that doesn't
Speaker 5: value those kinds of ethics as much, whether that be
Speaker 5: through leadership changes or you know, changes in social mores and.
Speaker 3: All of that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Could you see a future that resembles something like this?
Speaker 5: And even if you can't, does this seem like the
Speaker 5: kind of scenario that it would? It would lead to
Speaker 5: where people who are clones are literally cloned in order
Speaker 5: to have their organs harvested, and therefore, because they were
Speaker 5: not quote unquote born, they therefore are not considered human
Speaker 5: and fall under some other distinction that allows them to
Speaker 5: be treated in a way that's different from quote unquote
Speaker 5: humans and of those protections.
Speaker 3: That we enjoy.
Speaker 4: Quite possibly, it's an excellent question, you know, Byron. Maybe
Speaker 4: the way to put it is this, if you have
Speaker 4: the ability to recreate a city versus recreating a crosswalk,
Speaker 4: which is more a crosswalk in that city, which is
Speaker 4: more difficult. Is it more difficult to create a working
Speaker 4: kidney than it is to just recreate the system in
Speaker 4: which that kidney exists. Given that the concept of economy
Speaker 4: is the dominant religion or ideology of this age, the
Speaker 4: price factor will ultimately be the most important variable here ethics, society.
Speaker 3: I can see too, how you know, we do know.
Speaker 5: I think we talked about this, and when this discussion
Speaker 5: came up recently, actually they probably triggered this email. You know,
Speaker 5: they have been able to grow say a human ear
Speaker 5: on the back of a lab many years ago mass right,
Speaker 5: So you got to wonder, is there a lab scenario
Speaker 5: where they could grow just a kidney, like you said, Ben,
Speaker 5: or just a heart, Or is the most effective way to.
Speaker 3: Do it to grow the whole human and then.
Speaker 5: Harvest all the or is that just the path of
Speaker 5: least resistance because we know how to do that, and
Speaker 5: therefore we need to do some ethical maneuvering to make
Speaker 5: that okay real quick.
Speaker 4: I would also argue here, and I love that you're
Speaker 4: bringing this up, Nol and Byron and Matt, you get
Speaker 4: a weigh on this in on this too, and Doc
Speaker 4: please your thoughts as well, everybody listening. Does the economy
Speaker 4: of scale apply to ethics? Is there an ethical economy
Speaker 4: of scale? Is there? You know? Like, is there a gosh?
Speaker 4: This is like an argument of greater good? You know
Speaker 4: what I mean. It's something our pal Dan wrestled with
Speaker 4: recently on Rick and Morty, which again his science fiction
Speaker 4: and satire. For now, I pausit to you. There is
Speaker 4: a world in which it is possible to create, to
Speaker 4: create organs, to create components for a human body that
Speaker 4: will not suffer from organ rejection, that will not suffer
Speaker 4: from the tremendously fraud ethical problems of the current red
Speaker 4: market or organ trade. However, that is not the time
Speaker 4: in which civilization exists. At the present moment.
Speaker 2: Well, there's intensive research going into this, and I guys,
Speaker 2: for a life of me, I can't remember the name
Speaker 2: of the documentary I was watching, but it showed research
Speaker 2: that's being done to try and build. I don't know
Speaker 2: what you would call this, Like almost an endoskeleton would
Speaker 2: be the way, right, what do you say, not exo
Speaker 2: So it's not on the outside, it's like an interior
Speaker 2: skeleton structure that is not made of human biological.
Speaker 3: Material like the terminator type situation.
Speaker 2: Like imagine a human.
Speaker 4: Heart like a terrarium for the organ.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see, I see, I got you.
Speaker 2: Well kind of, but it's it's the internal structure of
Speaker 2: a human heart, and then human tissue is basically built
Speaker 2: up around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the structure falls away and you've got effectively
Speaker 2: a functional human heart rather than like a porcine heart
Speaker 2: or a cow heart or something like that.
Speaker 4: Forsai means pig, everybody.
Speaker 5: Yes, so it's a mechanical organic combo hybrid kind of implants.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, but it's not it's not cloning somebody's material
Speaker 2: to create it yet, right, but.
Speaker 4: Growing the cells around the It's like the humans build
Speaker 4: the frame of the house and then grow the thing
Speaker 4: around it, and the frame dissolves or is removed such
Speaker 4: that at the end you have a heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That sounds good, good, but potentially really costly perhaps, I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 4: The economy is made up. It's an ideology.
Speaker 2: Well yes, but that so I guess one of the
Speaker 2: things we've got that right, that's one of the pieces
Speaker 2: of science that you would need to build cloned materials,
Speaker 2: right or organ specifically. Then you've got human cloning embryos,
Speaker 2: which is a thing again, Ben, as you stated, we've
Speaker 2: had for a while. According to that documentary The King,
Speaker 2: The King of Clones, that is a viable technology that's
Speaker 2: been around for at least a decade. Sorry, no, I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm just laughing.
Speaker 3: Given it.
Speaker 4: I'm just laughing because I thought you were about to say,
Speaker 4: according to the documentary The King and.
Speaker 3: I Oh God, totally great documentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how.
Speaker 3: They break music.
Speaker 4: It's a musical with Yule Brenner and Mellow Face.
Speaker 3: I like to think of it as a documentary.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: How God, it's so unusual how they break into song.
Speaker 2: But I guess what I'm saying is, you've got the
Speaker 2: pieces of the tri force here. Nobody's put it together yet.
Speaker 2: Be in right again, I'm just going to the documentary
Speaker 2: more times read up on it rolling in Rolling Stone,
Speaker 2: and they're saying that the only reason human cloning isn't
Speaker 2: happening right now is because nobody has taken that step
Speaker 2: because of what you have to deal with ethically. As
Speaker 2: we were saying before, well, allegedly no one's taking that step.
Speaker 4: Allegedly. There are a couple your question, Byron, There are
Speaker 4: a couple of There are a couple of instances we
Speaker 4: like that are probably off the grid, like Gray Area experiments,
Speaker 4: you know, shadows of seven thirty one, shadows of World
Speaker 4: War two and post World War two kind of things.
Speaker 4: We know that there have been documented cases of of
Speaker 4: what clearly could have been human cloning. We also, to
Speaker 4: your point, Matt, we know that there are again hard
Speaker 4: agreed upon strictures against going too far with this sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. But how long will that be the case?
Speaker 4: That's the question. You know. The technology. I love the
Speaker 4: triforce comparison there, Nol. That's triforce comparison is quite astute
Speaker 4: because it's simply a matter of assembling the puzzle pieces
Speaker 4: which already exist.
Speaker 5: No, it's true, and I think this is a great
Speaker 5: place to jump to. Another point that was raised by
Speaker 5: this email from Byron, asking us if we are familiar
Speaker 5: with well, actually acknowledging that we probably are familiar with
Speaker 5: the flame retardant chemicals that exist in our environments and
Speaker 5: then passed on to our bodies, but then hipped us
Speaker 5: to a study specifically referring to I believe, Matt, you
Speaker 5: brought this up recently polybrominated dive phenal ethers. Maybe not,
Speaker 5: but you definitely brought up something that was brominated, because
Speaker 5: I remember discussing the etymology of that. I think it
Speaker 5: might have had cide, no science, it had cyanide and
Speaker 5: brominated in it. And I can't remember the exact topic,
Speaker 5: but in any case, this material is bad news. These
Speaker 5: and all kinds of household goods as a flame retard
Speaker 5: and everything from sofa covers to yoga mats to baby cribs,
Speaker 5: you know, all kinds of things that you know, a
Speaker 5: car upholstery, for example, car seats, toys, even carpet padding,
Speaker 5: love seats, et cetera, recliners, you know, desk chairs and
Speaker 5: office furniture.
Speaker 3: And it's abbreviated as P. B.
Speaker 4: D e's.
Speaker 5: And we've known about this stuff and the way that
Speaker 5: it likes to linger in the environment for quite a
Speaker 5: long time now. Decades even and and you know this
Speaker 5: stuff has been large largely phased out, it's my understanding.
Speaker 5: But a new study that was just released has shown
Speaker 5: how this stuff, how much of this stuff actually does
Speaker 5: linger in our systems, and how it contributes to an
Speaker 5: increased risk of dying from cancer compared with people with much,
Speaker 5: much lower levels of this stuff. That number in the
Speaker 5: study was three hundred percent increased risk of dying from
Speaker 5: cancer for folks with high levels of polybrominated diphenial ethers.
Speaker 3: In their blood.
Speaker 5: And according to the authors of this study, Bay and Lee,
Speaker 5: Hans Juchim, Lemmler, and ziy Ya, to our knowledge, they say,
Speaker 5: this is the first study examining the association of PbD
Speaker 5: E exposure with risk of cause specific mortality in the
Speaker 5: general adult population from the US, and their methodology was
Speaker 5: to examine the blood of eleven hundred people between the
Speaker 5: years two thousand and three and two thousand and four
Speaker 5: who participated in a National Health and Nutrition Examination survey,
Speaker 5: and this was a longitudinal federal study on the health
Speaker 5: of US citizens.
Speaker 3: The researchers then compared.
Speaker 5: The PBDE levels with death certificates between fifteen and seventeen
Speaker 5: years later, the study was published in the JAMMA Network Open.
Speaker 5: The study found significant association between PBDEs and deaths from
Speaker 5: all cancers, though researchers could not determine the specific types
Speaker 5: of cancers that they may have contributed to from the
Speaker 5: data that was available. A lot of this comes from
Speaker 5: a great article in CNN Health. Flame retardants found in
Speaker 5: thousands of consumer products linked to cancer in people for
Speaker 5: first time. So we've known about this stuff, we've known
Speaker 5: about the potential dangers, but now we know that it
Speaker 5: actually does increase people's risks. It says here to that
Speaker 5: point that exposure to these materials is nothing new. Tests
Speaker 5: have found the most people people in the United States
Speaker 5: have these what are known as indocrine disruptors in their
Speaker 5: blooded levels that are about three to ten times greater
Speaker 5: than those found in other countries and people citizens of
Speaker 5: other countries European nations, for example. And that's according to
Speaker 5: the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Something interesting
Speaker 5: about the way people can be exposed to this that
Speaker 5: I was not aware of is through fatty deposits in food, like,
Speaker 5: for example, in fish. A lot of the stuff you know,
Speaker 5: goes into the environments into the ecosystems of these animals,
Speaker 5: and then fatty tissues tend to absorb this stuff very
Speaker 5: efficiently and actually.
Speaker 3: Store the chemicals, so to quote with the article here.
Speaker 5: While PBDE levels and fish dropped by seventy five percent
Speaker 5: over the past twenty years, that decline has slowed and
Speaker 5: research are still found the chemicals in ninety three percent
Speaker 5: of all fish sampled, with some sites showing an increase.
Speaker 5: While exposure can come from from contaminated dust and some
Speaker 5: of those consumer products that we mentioned, the residues in food,
Speaker 5: especially those with high fat content like fatty fish, are
Speaker 5: another big problem, and that is because the materials accumulate
Speaker 5: in the fat of these animals, and as we know,
Speaker 5: like with things like mercury, is one animal eats another,
Speaker 5: the chemicals increase in concentration because there's more and more
Speaker 5: that's being you know, consumed, and it's and by the
Speaker 5: time it gets to you, it's been absorbed into the
Speaker 5: food chain at higher levels of concentration. So humans, being
Speaker 5: at the top of the food chain, end up with
Speaker 5: the line's share of this lease contamination levels of pbds.
Speaker 2: And according to CNN Health supporting this does cross the
Speaker 2: barrier when a mother has a baby in the womb
Speaker 2: or is feeding that baby with breast milk.
Speaker 5: Well, and interestingly enough, apparently some of these materials are
Speaker 5: still used in padded items such as nursing pillows, crib mattresses,
Speaker 5: exercise mats, and changing table pads, which seems like the
Speaker 5: kind of stuff you would have eliminated first, especially considering
Speaker 5: the way this stuff is transmitted and how vulnerable and
Speaker 5: with considerably lowered.
Speaker 3: Immune systems you know, infants would have.
Speaker 5: But apparently this is these these types of products still
Speaker 5: pretty commonly used, these sorts of flame retardant chemicals.
Speaker 2: One last thing I wanted to add here, Noel, the
Speaker 2: thing we have to keep in mind there are organizations
Speaker 2: such as the American Chemistry Council and the North American
Speaker 2: Flame Retardant Alliance. These are organizations that represent and have
Speaker 2: alliances euh with companies that manufacture these chemicals and use
Speaker 2: them in end user products like you're talking about, and
Speaker 2: they're you know, of course they have statements to say, hey,
Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to look through the report,
Speaker 2: but you know, we consistently advocate for the use of
Speaker 2: sound scientific research and data. Okay, they still have a
Speaker 2: deep pocketed connection to these chemicals.
Speaker 5: So lots to discuss here, lots to keep an eye on.
Speaker 5: The ways to keep your family safe would be to
Speaker 5: make sure these types of products are always in case,
Speaker 5: whether it be a mattress cover or what have you,
Speaker 5: and not to have any kind of rips taking place,
Speaker 5: because that is actually what releases the material when the
Speaker 5: foam from these types of mattress paths, for example, car
Speaker 5: seats for example, are exposed. So me visually, y'all, and
Speaker 5: thank you Byron. We take a break back with another
Speaker 5: piece of listener.
Speaker 2: Now, hey, we've returned. We're going to jump to the
Speaker 2: phone lines and here are a couple of messages from
Speaker 2: people who have personal experience in the supplement game, and
Speaker 2: hopefully this is gonna help us inform our episode that's
Speaker 2: coming out shortly on supplements in general.
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's a supplement episode. I'm excited about this one, that.
Speaker 2: This episode is supplementary, dear Watson. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: We're jumping to a message from Agent Atari.
Speaker 6: Gentlemen, I was just listening to your Listener mail episode
Speaker 6: and you were talking about supplements, and I have an
Speaker 6: idea of thoughts. However, you want to put it if
Speaker 6: you are going to do a show on it. Something
Speaker 6: to look into is not only file supplements affect people
Speaker 6: and what they're taking and why they take them, but
Speaker 6: how that has changed in the last few decades. My
Speaker 6: grandparents owned and ran a health food store for almost
Speaker 6: forty years. They spent their entire lives in the industry.
Speaker 6: They knew their stuff in and out there, employees knew
Speaker 6: their stuff in and out there. Employees were educated. They
Speaker 6: spent an extensive amount of time speaking with their customers
Speaker 6: about what they were looking for and what they needed
Speaker 6: and what supplements and minerals would assist in that. They
Speaker 6: were never pushing things just for the sake of sales.
Speaker 6: It was a genuine small business experience trying to help people.
Speaker 6: That began to change extensively in the late nineties and
Speaker 6: early two thousands and eventually ended up putting them out
Speaker 6: of business because people could buy their supplements at the
Speaker 6: grocery store, where you're just reading labels, if you even
Speaker 6: are reading the labels, but point being, you don't have
Speaker 6: someone there to help you who knows what they're talking about.
Speaker 6: So just the thought things have changed a lot. My
Speaker 6: grandparents ended up going out of business, but it was
Speaker 6: at the time that they were ready to retire anyways,
Speaker 6: so it wasn't a huge issue for them. But I
Speaker 6: do think it may be a huge issue in how
Speaker 6: people take their supplements. So maybe look into that, do
Speaker 6: what you think, what your thoughts are on the process.
Speaker 6: Feel free to use my message. You can call me
Speaker 6: Asian Atari. Then thanks, keep up the good work.
Speaker 4: Thank you Atari.
Speaker 2: Oh yes another eight sorry, yes, another agent that are
Speaker 2: missed midst. I think this is a great point, a
Speaker 2: really really good point. When we go to pick up medicine,
Speaker 2: let's say a Western medicine that we would get from
Speaker 2: a pharmacist, perhaps we always have that opportunity, at least
Speaker 2: you should have this opportunity to have a discussion with
Speaker 2: that pharmacist.
Speaker 4: You certainly have to sign off and say that you
Speaker 4: did not have that conversation. If you did not, you
Speaker 4: have to wave your right.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? But generally and theoretically, there is someone,
Speaker 2: a doctor or someone you know, highly qualified enough to
Speaker 2: speak with you about a medicine's effects on your body,
Speaker 2: what it's treating, how you should take it, all of
Speaker 2: that stuff. But when you go in to a store,
Speaker 2: let's say any grocery store to buy food that has
Speaker 2: nutrients and vitamins theoretically that go into your body, there's
Speaker 2: nobody to consult with to be like, how are these
Speaker 2: pop tarts going to affect my whatever level?
Speaker 4: Excuse me, mister Frederick, are you aware that two scoops
Speaker 4: might be too many raisins in your cereal?
Speaker 2: I need at least three.
Speaker 4: I'm bringing it back.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I respect you, but I respect you.
Speaker 2: So But that that whole concept, I think maybe just
Speaker 2: maybe it's super high level. But food as medicine, which
Speaker 2: is a I think it's becoming a more popular way
Speaker 2: to think about food, and it has been for quite
Speaker 2: a while. I think there's something to it. I just
Speaker 2: know that it's looked at very skeptically by many people,
Speaker 2: and especially in some of those more ivory ish towers
Speaker 2: right where the science lives, just about how much food
Speaker 2: actually affects our daily lives. But then you've got incredibly strong,
Speaker 2: it feels like, to me, at least in my opinion,
Speaker 2: science behind nutritional stuff like your everyday intake and how
Speaker 2: much that affects you. I'm just I don't know where
Speaker 2: that line is because I've kind of grown up with
Speaker 2: opinions about health food stuff that I feel like it
Speaker 2: pushes me in the direction of the health food people.
Speaker 2: And let me just tell you why. There's a place
Speaker 2: in Brookhaven, Georgia, and I know this is I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: this is my experience, this is in my world. Is
Speaker 2: where I lived for a long time. Sure a place
Speaker 2: in Brookhaven, Georgia called Nuts n the letter n Berries
Speaker 2: And this is the first place that I went to
Speaker 2: back in the early two thousands. That was a health
Speaker 2: food store. That's the way it describes itself. You walk
Speaker 2: in there and it's the same thing that Atari's family
Speaker 2: did for like forty years. I walked into the store.
Speaker 2: They immediately engaged with me, the employees of this store,
Speaker 2: and they talked to me about, well, what are you
Speaker 2: feeling right now? You? How's your back? How's this? How's that?
Speaker 2: And then they recommended stuff for me to eat, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what really like medicine? And I had
Speaker 2: no idea what they were talking about.
Speaker 5: Are these people licensed nutritionists perhaps or as that part
Speaker 5: of your point.
Speaker 2: This is part of my point. I don't know if
Speaker 2: there're a licensed nutritionists. I don't even really understand, like
Speaker 2: what the science is behind a licensed nutritionist because I
Speaker 2: don't understand the science versus the I don't know belief
Speaker 2: right in some of this stuff because there are levels
Speaker 2: of certain vitamins and minerals to get into your body,
Speaker 2: but the science for me personally is still out on
Speaker 2: how those things synthesize on you know, whether or not
Speaker 2: you need oils to break those things down or you
Speaker 2: need specific other things in dis Yeah. Yeah, I maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just ignorant completely of it. But that's why I'm
Speaker 2: excited about this episode we're diving in because I think
Speaker 2: we can get to the bottom of that stuff that
Speaker 2: there were, at least in my opinion, there were more
Speaker 2: of those things going on maybe twenty years ago.
Speaker 5: We've talked a bit about Munjaro and those weight loss
Speaker 5: or those drugs that are used off label. I guess
Speaker 5: so they're meant to be diabetes treatments, and they've been
Speaker 5: used off label to treat weight gain or to have,
Speaker 5: you know, to encourage weight laws. And we're now seeing
Speaker 5: tons of lawsuits coming through about how these things have
Speaker 5: had unintended side effects. So I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 5: not here to say, like all Western medicine is bunk
Speaker 5: or anything. But I do have a little bit of
Speaker 5: a chip on my shoulder when it comes to how
Speaker 5: quickly some of these things are pushed through for use
Speaker 5: to make some of these pharmaceutical companies a whole heap
Speaker 5: of money, only to find later whoop. See we missed
Speaker 5: this because we actually didn't look at it on a
Speaker 5: long enough timeline.
Speaker 3: So, you know, while I could see.
Speaker 5: The argument that some of the nutritionist stuff could be quackery,
Speaker 5: I think it's a lot more innocuous than what happens
Speaker 5: with the big pharma and doctors prescribing some of these
Speaker 5: things before they truly know what they do.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, I'm there with you. Let's jump one more
Speaker 2: quick thing that we got from Chef Ben in Chicago.
Speaker 2: It's important that you put that in there.
Speaker 7: Here we go, fellas Chef Ben in Chicago. As always,
Speaker 7: feel free to use this on the show. Just listen
Speaker 7: to your little episode about supplements, which I totally agree
Speaker 7: is a racket. So it turns out I've reached an
Speaker 7: age where I should probably be on a fiber supplement. Fine,
Speaker 7: I've made my peace with that part, but they're expensive
Speaker 7: and it bothered me. Turns out not only can you
Speaker 7: make your own pills. There's like a whole contraction for it.
Speaker 7: You can buy the capsules, they're separate. You can put
Speaker 7: whatever you want in there. You can put whatever you
Speaker 7: want in there, and there's no regulation about it as
Speaker 7: long as you're not selling it. So here's what I
Speaker 7: do for myself, because I'm also an avid, avid fan
Speaker 7: of the five hour energy energy Shot kind of the supplement,
Speaker 7: which if you guys come for those, you're gonna lose
Speaker 7: a listener because I love those things. That's the only
Speaker 7: way I get through my deck.
Speaker 3: This is fiber pill.
Speaker 7: I start with that noepellina stuff, which is a powder
Speaker 7: form of a dietary fiber derived from cactus. I also
Speaker 7: put chia seed in there, which I grind up really finally,
Speaker 7: because chia seed is a binder. It's the culinary binder.
Speaker 7: It turns out if you save your coffee grounds and
Speaker 7: put them into a dehydrator like I have at my
Speaker 7: house and grind those up really finely too, that acts
Speaker 7: as dietary fiber and can contain up to forty percent
Speaker 7: of the original caffeine still, which I can attest to.
Speaker 7: And then I also add black pepper and turmeric to
Speaker 7: the mix for these fiber pills. Black pepper and turmeric
Speaker 7: have been known to work in conjunction to bring your
Speaker 7: blood pressure down. That's been known pretty much forever. Look
Speaker 7: at any curry that's out there. There's a good, solid
Speaker 7: medical reason why that's part of that recipe. So again
Speaker 7: the takeaways here you can make your own pills and
Speaker 7: ain nobody can tell you what to put in them
Speaker 7: as long as you're not selling them. Also, coffee grounds
Speaker 7: still contain the original caffeine. Keep a real fellows.
Speaker 5: Oh snap, Oh, I didn't think about that, man. That's
Speaker 5: some good intel right there. I really like black pepper
Speaker 5: and turmeric like juice kind of juices you can get
Speaker 5: that to the point here are very expensive, uh and
Speaker 5: probably smart thing to make yourself, because you can be
Speaker 5: a whole giant heap of turmeric at the another local spot,
Speaker 5: the uh the cab farmers market, where you can just
Speaker 5: get like pubs of the stuff for like pennies on
Speaker 5: the dollar. Sou and I have felt this cost an
Speaker 5: illness coming and done some turmeric and black pepper shots
Speaker 5: with a little ginger and stuff, and I really do
Speaker 5: truly whether it's psychosomatic or not feel like it knocked
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 2: Oh, we loves us. Some Chef Ben here, guys and
Speaker 2: some black pepper and turmeric.
Speaker 4: Shut out Chef Ben. Also Ben, I know you get,
Speaker 4: I should say, Chef, I know you can't see us
Speaker 4: because this is an audio format, but I hope you know.
Speaker 4: And Doca, I hope you keep it in where I
Speaker 4: said this is the way when you recommended a certain
Speaker 4: observation there, and you're absolutely right in terms of the
Speaker 4: retention of caffeine in coffee grounds. I like to think
Speaker 4: it makes some of my plants a bit more spirited. Actually,
Speaker 4: when I put the coffee grounds into the soil, Doc
Speaker 4: and I share a similar green thumb. So shout out.
Speaker 5: Chef oh Man, I didn't know you had such agreed.
Speaker 5: I need to talk to you more. I have a
Speaker 5: bit of a brown thumb doing my best. But so
Speaker 5: you're saying that you could take those coffee left over
Speaker 5: coffee grounds, and I get the plant thing, But what
Speaker 5: if you wanted to use those to add some caffeine
Speaker 5: to make your own five hour energy.
Speaker 3: This is viable.
Speaker 5: You could like add that to supplements and capsules and
Speaker 5: give a little zip to your to your sup I.
Speaker 2: Think that's I think that's what Chef Ben is saying.
Speaker 2: But Chef Ben is more talking about brewing your coffee,
Speaker 2: getting that initial caffeine hit than using those grounds putting
Speaker 2: it into let's say, a capsule, vegetable based capsule, or
Speaker 2: one of these other you know, they still many different kinds.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: Amazon has pill capsules for days, all kinds of different
Speaker 2: sizes and shapes. Craziness.
Speaker 4: We have to help Jeff get to the moon, so true.
Speaker 2: But in this case, it's helping us maybe get a
Speaker 2: little more caffeine in our system. And or fiber and
Speaker 2: or you know, chia seed and black ever and turmeric
Speaker 2: and all kinds of good stuff and nopalina. I've never
Speaker 2: heard of that. I'm gonna look that up after.
Speaker 4: This, and Chef's correspondence starts with the importance of fiber.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I gotta have that fiber. It's for
Speaker 2: your poops, everybody, for your poops, for your poops. Check
Speaker 2: it out. No, the hell goes for your health.
Speaker 4: I like your version, Matt.
Speaker 2: What was that guy's name, Doctor Steve Brule, That's who
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also check out don't be dumb by Josh Clark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little bit of an influence there. Oh
Speaker 2: this is That's the thing I didn't even mention in
Speaker 2: the last During Agent Atari's message there, one of the
Speaker 2: first things Chef Ben says is supplements are a racket.
Speaker 2: And I know why he feels that way, because going
Speaker 2: back to that nuts and berry store that I love
Speaker 2: that we're not sponsored by. You walk in there, you
Speaker 2: feel like you're being helped, you feel like it is
Speaker 2: for your health. And then you look at that bill
Speaker 2: and you go, oh, I didn't think a couple of
Speaker 2: pills and some you know, no sugar added cranberry juice
Speaker 2: would put me back one hundred and twenty bucks.
Speaker 4: What are they bacon ingratuity?
Speaker 2: No, it's just these are a lot of them in
Speaker 2: that case. At least we're like locally sourced supplements from
Speaker 2: local farms and all this other stuff, and it just,
Speaker 2: you know, it's those little things that push the price
Speaker 2: point up a little bit further, a little bit further,
Speaker 2: and then you realize, oh, wow, I can't afford to
Speaker 2: take vitamins.
Speaker 4: Oh geez. It is It is often said that it
Speaker 4: may be more expensive in terms of finance or in
Speaker 4: terms of time to live a healthy life. That's not
Speaker 4: necessarily true, but we do know that food deserts exist.
Speaker 4: We do know that people labor under situations in environments
Speaker 4: where they do not have access to basic needs vitamins,
Speaker 4: minerals and indeed supplements that you do need, especially in
Speaker 4: your formative years. So I guess what I really appreciate
Speaker 4: about this is that we've had so much response to
Speaker 4: the idea of supplements because everybody knows there is a
Speaker 4: grift of foot However, we also at the same time
Speaker 4: have to acknowledge that there is real efficacy here. Like
Speaker 4: it does matter, it can help you. If you are vegan,
Speaker 4: you have to find a way to get vitamin B
Speaker 4: twelve in your diet for example.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's something that people struggle with who have
Speaker 5: that lifestyle, and they really do have to be thoughtful
Speaker 5: about it. Also protein. But if you guys ever heard
Speaker 5: of a chain of grocery stores called Arawon.
Speaker 2: Sounds familiar, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's considered widely to be the most expensive grocery store
Speaker 5: chain in the country, if not the world, and it's
Speaker 5: sort of like a celeb spot, you know, hot spot,
Speaker 5: and in the US right, yeah, us exactly, yes, And
Speaker 5: you know, they pride themselves on having the best organic
Speaker 5: produce and all that stuff, and then to the point
Speaker 5: where it's worth, you know, one thousand dollars for a
Speaker 5: cart of groceries, and it has become a.
Speaker 3: Bit of a status symbol.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of this stuff can be
Speaker 5: considered a bit of a status symbol in terms of,
Speaker 5: you know, how much money you're spending on this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I really like, I really like Chef Ben's point
Speaker 5: about being able to make a lot of this stuff yourself.
Speaker 5: I like the idea of having your own juicer and
Speaker 5: not having to depend on these pre packaged juices that
Speaker 5: you don't necessarily.
Speaker 3: Even know what goes into it. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm on the fence about some of the supplement stuff
Speaker 5: for sure, but I do think there's something to be
Speaker 5: said about things like turmeric and just you know, getting
Speaker 5: your vitamins from like good fruits and vegetables.
Speaker 4: Let your food be your medicine, no etc. Hey There
Speaker 4: you go, healthy depress.
Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, that's all we needed to say.
Speaker 2: There is more to say, though, and we're gonna say
Speaker 2: it in our Supplements episode. So look for that soon.
Speaker 2: For now, we're gonna take a break. Here a word
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Speaker 4: You can get it. Also, code named Doc chimes in
Speaker 4: to say loves Aero one, loves Loves loves Aero one.
Speaker 4: We're going to let's see, we're gonna have to keep
Speaker 4: this brief, so we're going to set up a future episode,
Speaker 4: and then we're gonna have a letter from home our
Speaker 4: Our first piece of correspondence in this part comes from
Speaker 4: B seven, not a vitamin, actual person, human person. As
Speaker 4: far as I could tell, B seven says the following, Hey,
Speaker 4: fellow eight brained meat sacks. First Off, love the show. Secondly,
Speaker 4: this is dark and not often discussed. I live in
Speaker 4: the area and did not hear about the landfill until
Speaker 4: I started looking at houses after college. With that, let's
Speaker 4: dive in. The West Lake Landfill, located in Bridgton, Missouri
Speaker 4: or Missouri if you wish, is a complex site with
Speaker 4: a history of environmental concerns. The landfill originally opened in
Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties and accepted various types of waste, including municipal, industrial,
Speaker 4: and radioactive materials. However, it became notorious for its association
Speaker 4: with illegally dumped nuclear waste from the Manhattan Project in
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies. Let's pause there, because I, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, none of us have been to bridget in Missouri,
Speaker 4: and we don't usually associate that with the Manhattan Project, right, Nah,
Speaker 4: that's so much. No, it's it's like not on the brochure.
Speaker 2: No, it seems like the perfect place to dump all
Speaker 2: your waste though that is radioactive.
Speaker 4: Great, Okay, we'll have a new p sure with Matt's
Speaker 4: Matt's tagline, the perfect place to dump your waist.
Speaker 2: He said, sarcastically, and just.
Speaker 4: He said, fannastic. That last part is in italics. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: so beace having continues. One of the primary concerns associated
Speaker 4: with the Westlake Landfill is the presence of radioactive materials,
Speaker 4: particularly thorium two thirty and radium two twenty six, which
Speaker 4: are byproducts of uradium decay. As all our fillow conspiracy
Speaker 4: realist note. These materials can emit alpha particles, which are
Speaker 4: highly ionizing and compose a health risk if inhaled or ingested.
Speaker 4: Exposure to these radioactive materials has been linked to an
Speaker 4: increased risk of cancer, particularly lung cancer. The landfill B
Speaker 4: seven continues has also been plagued by issues such as
Speaker 4: underground smoldering, which has led to concerns about potential subsurface
Speaker 4: fires reaching the radioactive waste and releasing contaminants into the air.
Speaker 4: This smoldering has been a persistent problem since at least
Speaker 4: twenty ten, leading to fears of a potential catastrophic event
Speaker 4: if fire were to reach the radioactive waste. This is
Speaker 4: already dangerous stuff. They don't want you to know.
Speaker 2: I'm way over here in Georgia and I'm terrified of that.
Speaker 4: Awful What direction is the wind blowing? You know, fire
Speaker 4: goes up, fire makes friends, the fire rises, yeah. B
Speaker 4: seven continues. In addition to the radioactive materials, the landfill
Speaker 4: also contains other hazardous substances such as heavy metals not
Speaker 4: the cool ones but yeah, perfect right, not as cool,
Speaker 4: not as cool as that, and volatile organic compounds, which
Speaker 4: can pose risk to human health. And to the environment.
Speaker 4: These substances can leach into groundwater or be released into
Speaker 4: the air, leading to potential contamination of drinking water sources
Speaker 4: and air quality concerns. The effects of the West Lake
Speaker 4: landfill are far reaching, impacting not only the immediate area,
Speaker 4: but also raising broader questions about waste management practices, environmental justice,
Speaker 4: and regulatory oversight. Does this remind you, guys a little
Speaker 4: bit of our previous episode on the worst industrial disaster
Speaker 4: in human history?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Big time?
Speaker 5: Yes, again, I was super not familiar with and that
Speaker 5: one continues to haunt me.
Speaker 2: The only thing that makes me feel a little better
Speaker 2: about this situation is that there aren't three story you know,
Speaker 2: containers of like concentrated poison in this situation. But what's
Speaker 2: maybe even scarier though, is that it's spread out over
Speaker 2: such a large area and you have nobody, nobody has
Speaker 2: any idea where the stuff is within the mass of
Speaker 2: just junk that is again on fire inside and underneath.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where in the world is carmen carcinogen at this point?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: So to show what B seven is saying here, the
Speaker 4: lendfill has been the subject of ongoing remediation efforts. Nice
Speaker 4: and legal battles whoo highlighting the challenges associated with managing
Speaker 4: legacy waste sites and protecting public health and the environment.
Speaker 4: Also take a look at Coldwater Creek in conjunction with
Speaker 4: the landfill with love b seven. Hey, bro, love right
Speaker 4: back at you, man. This is the stuff we want
Speaker 4: to know because this is the stuff that a lot
Speaker 4: of powerful people don't want locals to know about or
Speaker 4: to talk about, you know what I mean. Like, it's
Speaker 4: all well and good to evaluate, you know, your favorite
Speaker 4: cryptid or whatever, But what about the real monsters who
Speaker 4: are getting away with all kinds of shenanigans here? I
Speaker 4: don't know. I like, I had never heard of the
Speaker 4: Westlake landfill. I've been to Missouri maybe twice. The idea
Speaker 4: here is something disturbing because it's unfortunately common, right, the
Speaker 4: idea of landfills and the accountability on the behalf of
Speaker 4: municipal governments. I'm thinking, you guys, that we're going to
Speaker 4: have more people writing in with stories from their neck
Speaker 4: of the global woods, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: their landfills in Georgia, I'm sure, especially Savannah. Right, for
Speaker 4: those of us listening outside of the United States, there's
Speaker 4: a missing nuclear weapon off the coast of Georgia. Remember
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 4: It's just there. No one knows, no one knows where
Speaker 4: it is. That's just our mulligan I looked into this.
Speaker 4: One cool thing is that, unlike the incident in India,
Speaker 4: the US does have the EPA Superfund program. So Westlake
Speaker 4: Landfill is a super fun site. And Matt, I believe
Speaker 4: you mentioned the super fun program in our episode on
Speaker 4: the disaster there in India. Could you talk a little
Speaker 4: bit about super fund and why it's important.
Speaker 2: Sure, super fun is the kind of thing that you
Speaker 2: don't want to ever mess with. You don't want to
Speaker 2: live on it, you don't want to build houses on it.
Speaker 2: And yet that's the kind of thing that we humans
Speaker 2: decide to do because land, you know, we apparently don't
Speaker 2: have enough land in important places near water sources. So
Speaker 2: when let's say a bunch of dumping occurs of terrible
Speaker 2: chemicals or nuclear waste, or let's say there's a catastrophe
Speaker 2: at a factory and then they tear the factory down,
Speaker 2: but all the stuff that's underneath the factory sticks around
Speaker 2: in the soil, you call it a super fun site
Speaker 2: because it's going to take a ridiculous amount of resources
Speaker 2: to clean that stuff up. It's also going to take
Speaker 2: a lot of time. And often at times, when let's
Speaker 2: say it's seventy percent complete or something, the cleanup's almost done,
Speaker 2: there will be permits to build on that land or
Speaker 2: something like that. And we've seen so many instances of
Speaker 2: that over the years on this show, where you know,
Speaker 2: people write to us and say, there's some weird stuff
Speaker 2: going on in my neck of the woods. A lot
Speaker 2: of people are cancers in the school that they built
Speaker 2: over this superfund site.
Speaker 4: It's it's awful, yeah, And also it's a very American
Speaker 4: and misleading name, isn't it. Superfund sounds like, you know,
Speaker 4: a coalition of comic book heroes with all sorts of
Speaker 4: extraordinary powers. Oh sure, yeah, but it's not the adventures.
Speaker 2: We're talking about these sites, right, Like that sounds like
Speaker 2: a horrible thing. Maybe there's a couple of those, right, No,
Speaker 2: there's over thirteen hundred superfund sites that are listed in
Speaker 2: the quote National Priorities List, and that's from August twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 4: Right, that's a relatively relatively up to date list. There
Speaker 4: are also many more sites that are pardon the crafts
Speaker 4: term here, that are auditioning to be superfund sites. And
Speaker 4: that thing about dangerous materials leaching into groundwater into the
Speaker 4: poodable water supply, that's exactly what we're talking about in
Speaker 4: those studies in India regarding Paul right. This danger is intergenerational,
Speaker 4: and it's easy for politicians to ignore this stuff, politicians
Speaker 4: of any ideological stripe. We know that the superfund law
Speaker 4: is overall, it is a good thing. It is important.
Speaker 4: Stuff like this needs to exist in industrialized countries. But
Speaker 4: also super fun doesn't have it doesn't have the bite
Speaker 4: it should. You know.
Speaker 5: It's also a really innocuous sounding name for something that's
Speaker 5: like a massive, massive problem that is, of course, you know,
Speaker 5: the fault of the government in many instances. I remember,
Speaker 5: back when I worked at public radio, we had some
Speaker 5: super fun sites in and around you know where I
Speaker 5: was based in Augusta, And for the longest time, when
Speaker 5: I heard people in the news call talking about superfund sites,
Speaker 5: I thought it was like, what are there, slide or
Speaker 5: something like super fun it's a super fun site. I
Speaker 5: just feel the name is like one of those things,
Speaker 5: like you said, Ben, if it's the more innocuous sounding.
Speaker 5: It is probably the more sinister it is. It's just
Speaker 5: an interesting kind of rebranding, and it doesn't immediately make
Speaker 5: you understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: What you're hearing about.
Speaker 2: Guys, it looks like the closest one to us is
Speaker 2: in a place called Cedar Town that I've never been
Speaker 2: to in Georgia, and it has a score according to
Speaker 2: toxicsites dot us of thirty six out of one hundred.
Speaker 2: And you only need a score of twenty eight point
Speaker 2: five or higher to qualify on that super fun national
Speaker 2: priority list.
Speaker 4: Dang it. You know I love qualifications. You know. I
Speaker 4: like my little certificates. I like to give my little
Speaker 4: things and frame them. Yeah, so maybe I can give
Speaker 4: a super fun site you guys, kidding, kidding, EPA, don't
Speaker 4: write to us. Here's one thing that we're hoping to
Speaker 4: set up here. We are hoping to learn more about
Speaker 4: where nuclear waste is disposed, because that's stuff, just like
Speaker 4: putting a monster in the ground in a horror movie.
Speaker 4: That stuff does not rest, it does wake, it will move.
Speaker 4: And I do believe, gentlemen, that we have we have
Speaker 4: a future episode about nuclear waste disposal. Do you guys
Speaker 4: think that's a good idea. Do you think it would
Speaker 4: be of interest or use?
Speaker 5: It would be to me for sure, and I think
Speaker 5: to a lot of folks out there who may be
Speaker 5: also more fully aware right off the bat about what
Speaker 5: super fun sites are and where they come from, and
Speaker 5: who's responsible and how much effort and resources it takes
Speaker 5: to get rid of them.
Speaker 3: If it's even.
Speaker 2: Possible, I think we should do I pause it a
Speaker 2: four hour episode where we just name every single super
Speaker 2: fun site where it is so that human beings can
Speaker 2: listen to it and go, oh crap, that is near me.
Speaker 2: Because I until we did that episode a long time ago,
Speaker 2: I think we were We knew what a super fun
Speaker 2: site was, we didn't know how many there are and
Speaker 2: some of the like real dangerous nature of them, you.
Speaker 4: Know, also with great affection. I think I have a
Speaker 4: good grasp on our abilities as a group. We need
Speaker 4: five hours for that. I don't think we do it fo.
Speaker 2: We need some energy for that five hours. What will
Speaker 2: we take? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked. If you are drinking coffee
Speaker 4: right now, do not throw away those used coffee grouts.
Speaker 2: That's right down joke them on down. We are not
Speaker 2: sponsored by five hour Energy chef Ben, but we do
Speaker 2: or I do love some five hour energy. I don't
Speaker 2: know about you, guys.
Speaker 4: You're on the five hour.
Speaker 2: I love the five hour.
Speaker 4: I love the five hour too. We're so rich in
Speaker 4: vitamin B. Scientologists look upon our niosin and despair. I
Speaker 4: don't know if we can get away with that one.
Speaker 4: Keep it in, but yes, please. The important part here
Speaker 4: is that we want to know about environmental contamination that
Speaker 4: you are seeing. What is the open secret in your
Speaker 4: neck of the global woods, Because as Bat said, the
Speaker 4: deeper we dig, the more we find, and I wish
Speaker 4: that was not true on as many levels as that is.
Speaker 4: So let us know what you think. We'll tell you
Speaker 4: how to get in touch with us. At the end
Speaker 4: of the show, we do like to end on a
Speaker 4: little riff. We're calling letters from Home and guys, I
Speaker 4: thought we would all like this. Our friend Rebel Devil
Speaker 4: hit us up and said the following I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: read it. It's pretty quick, and then we get some
Speaker 4: organic reactions. Just listen to the history of the Antichrist
Speaker 4: episode and really enjoyed the angles. You guys, took to
Speaker 4: analyze the concept of the Antichrist. I especially enjoyed the
Speaker 4: thought at the end about AI and the Antichrist. I
Speaker 4: had two thoughts to add to that concept. One, A
Speaker 4: anti Christ pronounced like ain't i Christ? Is both apt
Speaker 4: and slightly comedic. Albeit I keep thinking with a thick
Speaker 4: Southern accent, so maybe that's why it's funny, y'all.
Speaker 2: I made biscuits for the entire church this morning. Ain't
Speaker 2: a Christ?
Speaker 4: Ain't a crast? Right a rebel devil? Continues two. I
Speaker 4: know you all have to be careful throwing shade at
Speaker 4: brands on air, but how perfect would it be if
Speaker 4: Apple creates the Ai, that is, the Antichrist that undoes humanity,
Speaker 4: perfectly fulfilling the biblical narrative symmetry that an Apple undid
Speaker 4: humanity from start to finish.
Speaker 5: We did talk about potential AI Antichrist on the episode, right, Yes,
Speaker 5: that feels boy crost, and we all cry, no, no,
Speaker 5: it feels real, dude, that does. It does feel like
Speaker 5: that would be the most likely A likely candidate for.
Speaker 2: Sure, as certainly a I likely candidate.
Speaker 3: But Matthew, but I think you.
Speaker 7: Know what.
Speaker 4: Hashtag no pun left behind.
Speaker 2: But doesn't it feel like he's going to be in
Speaker 2: video right now? You guys saw their robots that they
Speaker 2: just fail.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they're doing it. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're that good for it. All right,
Speaker 4: Well we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: First off, hashtag no pun left behind again?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Ain't I Christ is pretty neat. I'm surprised the Illumination
Speaker 4: Global Unlimited didn't get to that one first, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? But real respects real or for similitude,
Speaker 4: respects for similaritude.
Speaker 3: I guess your first one's a little bit here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fewer syllables, right, you know, we don't want to
Speaker 4: be too cannabis about our bars there.
Speaker 2: For similitude, the appearance of being true or real. I
Speaker 2: didn't know what we're all.
Speaker 3: Learning along together, folks.
Speaker 4: Geez we are, and perhaps something is learning along with us.
Speaker 4: That's our letters from home, that's our listener mail. We
Speaker 4: can't wait to hear from you. Thank you very much
Speaker 4: to Chef Ben Agent, Atari, Byron Rebel Devil and B seven,
Speaker 4: and thanks to you in advance human or whatever intelligence
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