Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. Welcome to Stephan never
Speaker 1: told you, Proctu, I heard you.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. And in honor of the recent solar eclipse,
Speaker 2: we're using this as an excuse, yes, which we really
Speaker 2: haven't even acknowledged until now. So we thought we would
Speaker 2: come back to our long overdue look at the life
Speaker 2: changing classics from the Twilight saga, specifically New Moon and Eclipse,
Speaker 2: because they are Oh they're due, and the only way
Speaker 2: we can do this right is to have our expert
Speaker 2: besides of course myself on all things Twilight, coming on
Speaker 2: with us super producer Christine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hello everybody. I am so excited. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: First of all, after we did Twilight, we got an
Speaker 2: immediate email from Christina going, uh, this is this is
Speaker 2: my this was my favorite. I have so many things,
Speaker 2: including two shirts which we have seen a few you did,
Speaker 2: you did show us a few. Just now we got
Speaker 2: to see two figurines of Edward Slash Robert Pattins and
Speaker 2: I feel like to be on social media, Christina.
Speaker 3: I know it's what I have in Atlanta. So I'm
Speaker 3: not from Atlanta and I'm when I moved here, I
Speaker 3: only brought the essentials, so the essentials were my two
Speaker 3: Edward Cullen toys. But I think it ran a figure
Speaker 3: action figures you could show. I had so many shirts, magazines.
Speaker 3: I think it was a little obsessive, like almost in
Speaker 3: a bad way. But I collected stuff and it was fun,
Speaker 3: So it's fun.
Speaker 2: That's exactly correct, it's fun. We're so glad you're are
Speaker 2: able to be a part of our spinty Twilight adventures
Speaker 2: because we have a few more coming up. I still
Speaker 2: think we need to do the gender swapping book, which
Speaker 2: I sent to you Christina as like, eventually I need
Speaker 2: you to read this and tell us about it, please,
Speaker 2: and you're welcome, Annie, You're welcome for this adventure.
Speaker 4: I don't want to read it.
Speaker 2: Because I did the flip of Edward perspective of the
Speaker 2: initial Twilight, So I don't know if I'm ready for
Speaker 2: the gender swap, like that was an alternative. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm ready. I don't know if I'll ever
Speaker 2: be ready for that, because coming back into it, as
Speaker 2: much as I loved it because it was so entertaining,
Speaker 2: it was so good and I was a fan, but
Speaker 2: looking back on I'm like, oh, God, this writing is
Speaker 2: so bad, but such a classic anyway, And yes, we
Speaker 2: are going to jump right in just to kind of
Speaker 2: at the beginning of all of this. Of course, I
Speaker 2: have a feeling we have a few uh we do,
Speaker 2: don't we? And I think we've heard from a few
Speaker 2: listeners who were Twilight Hearts. Twyn't they name right? Okay?
Speaker 2: I was like, there's a name. I think I remember
Speaker 2: Twyheart's out there. Who may want to jump in and
Speaker 2: be like, you missed this bar. You should have talked
Speaker 2: about this bar or hears some behind the scenes, And yes,
Speaker 2: once upon a time, I remember watching some behind the
Speaker 2: scenes and even the director's cut where they all talk
Speaker 2: the two where Kristen and Robert Pattinson get on there
Speaker 2: and have a whole like conversation about the movie. I
Speaker 2: watched all those as well. But I've forgotten all the
Speaker 2: good facts. Christina, I hope you hope you remember all
Speaker 2: the good facts.
Speaker 3: My memory is not the best, but I did. I
Speaker 3: did follow a lot of Twilight websites back in the day,
Speaker 3: and I was an avid visitor of Twilight fan websites,
Speaker 3: and I used to save every photo I found of
Speaker 3: Robert Pattinson I just would save it in a folder
Speaker 3: just for later. I don't know. I had photos of
Speaker 3: my old childhood bedroom absolutely covered in Twilight posters, especially
Speaker 3: the ones you would get for magazines. Yes, they were
Speaker 3: on my ceiling, they were on all sides of the walls.
Speaker 3: I was enamored with him. I still am.
Speaker 2: Who wasn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, who wasn't.
Speaker 2: And yes, before we go into it, there was a
Speaker 2: lot of controversy with the movie that I'm about to
Speaker 2: talk about, New Moon, because there was some big directional
Speaker 2: changes and people were pissed. People were not happy about
Speaker 2: some of the changes, including Catherine Hardwick being taken off
Speaker 2: and having a man, Chris Whitez come in and take over.
Speaker 2: There was this conversation about what will this look like,
Speaker 2: who will take over how because the aesthetic was that
Speaker 2: Catherine had kind of developed this world in creating the cast,
Speaker 2: like she created this cast and this chemistry, and everybody
Speaker 2: was like, oh, no, don't do this. There was talks
Speaker 2: about the fact that Taylor Latner was going to be
Speaker 2: replaced because he was not bigger like the buff enough.
Speaker 3: As we will say, yes.
Speaker 2: Because he was too small at the beginning and didn't
Speaker 2: seem to fit, so he had to re audition after
Speaker 2: like pumping up essentially like getting really built and going
Speaker 2: on this intensive diet to show that he could be
Speaker 2: this character once again to come back. And I think
Speaker 2: Christen Stewart also like rally for him because they were
Speaker 2: apparently friends that could have just been. You know, there
Speaker 2: was a conversation about who was going to be a
Speaker 2: part of the Quilliute slash the wolf Pack, and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of conversation, and they did hold true
Speaker 2: to making sure that they used indigenous people as part
Speaker 2: of this role, so at the very least they listened
Speaker 2: that far into it. I can't remember any of the
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the bad wigs. I think clips finally figured
Speaker 2: out how bad the wigs were, Like, you're a multi
Speaker 2: million dollar movie, why are the these wigs so bad?
Speaker 4: So bad?
Speaker 2: Poor poor Nikki Reid. She'd been through some things and
Speaker 2: they finally got her a wig, and that wig was
Speaker 2: still awful, and you're like, why, just why, why would
Speaker 2: you do this to Alice? Anyway, all those things, that's
Speaker 2: the that's some of the controversy.
Speaker 3: You know, how many people base their haircuts off of
Speaker 3: Alice too. Back in the day when the movie came out.
Speaker 2: I was so bad.
Speaker 3: I wish it was me. I'm surprised I didn't, but
Speaker 3: Alice haircut.
Speaker 2: Such a big deal it was, and it got better,
Speaker 2: thank God along the way. But yes, since we've gone
Speaker 2: through that controversy, let's jump in. I'm gonna do a
Speaker 2: quick plot of New Moon for you. Uh. So let's start.
Speaker 2: We have the opening scene in which, uh, we have
Speaker 2: Bella having this awful dream about awful I say that
Speaker 2: she's thinking she's seen her grandmother in the meadows where
Speaker 2: she meets up with Edward to see his glistening, sparkling skin,
Speaker 2: and it turns out that it's actually her as an
Speaker 2: old person aging while Edward never ages and him telling
Speaker 2: our happy birthday. Really awkward, se fun, fun awkward scene
Speaker 2: that happens, and she wakes up to this nightmare with
Speaker 2: Charlie saying happy birthday, getting her presence and then saying
Speaker 2: I see grayce ha dead jokes. But yes, Bella and
Speaker 2: Edward are still in high school. But now we've come
Speaker 2: upon Bella's eighteenth birthday, which means she's officially technically older
Speaker 2: than her love Edward, and she's having a panic attack.
Speaker 2: She does not like this. Uh. Then with that comes
Speaker 2: the bad birthday party, because you know, Alice loves loves
Speaker 2: some partying, gets her address, says, come on over, it's
Speaker 2: just gonna be yes, We're gonna get you some presents,
Speaker 2: and oh no, poor little clumsy Bella gets a paper cut,
Speaker 2: makes jasper traffic lunge at her to eat her obviously,
Speaker 2: and this whole thing happens, and oh no, Edwards and Turmoil.
Speaker 2: Everybody's so upset except for the father figure Carlile, who
Speaker 2: for years have just understood to withstand the temptation of blood.
Speaker 2: Has become a doctor. We know this. So he stitches
Speaker 2: her up and tells her I've done this because you know,
Speaker 2: I owe humanity. That's his explanation. But all of this
Speaker 2: leads to Edward having a crisis, thinking we need to
Speaker 2: leave because it's we're putting her in danger. So he
Speaker 2: tells Bella he doesn't want her anymore, and she's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, what okay? And he does this all in
Speaker 2: the woods, which is really like to me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, she's really clumsy. You know, she gets lost.
Speaker 2: Why would you do this and then leave her in
Speaker 2: the woods? Why did you want her to immediately die. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like what anyway, So she very clumsy and emotional,
Speaker 2: and she is in the woods at this point and
Speaker 2: just goes into a fetal position after she's tried to
Speaker 2: chase after him, and it gets dark and it's cold,
Speaker 2: and then eventually she's found by Sam, who is a
Speaker 2: new character, well not new, new ish character. We've met
Speaker 2: him before, but he's been recast because the previous Sam
Speaker 2: was not buff enough and I'm gonna say buffalot then
Speaker 2: this entire time, So they recast him, but he rescues her,
Speaker 2: takes her back, and we are introduced to the new rugged,
Speaker 2: shirtless crew of Forks, Washington, of the qualued people Bella.
Speaker 2: At this time, it's wrestling in her torment and depression,
Speaker 2: screaming in the night, real harsh screams. Uh soon finds
Speaker 2: comfort and her best friend Jacob, who has actually puts it,
Speaker 2: become again buff. I'm going to use this because it
Speaker 2: was used and I just think it's a hilarious term.
Speaker 2: And then of course jokes about steroids, because you know,
Speaker 2: why not. Also, we have the iconic line, Bella, where
Speaker 2: have you been? Loca?
Speaker 3: That is I wrote that down in my notes while
Speaker 3: I was watching it. Where the hell you been Loca?
Speaker 2: Where the hell?
Speaker 3: I think Joey, our friend of the show, Joey has
Speaker 3: that shirt?
Speaker 4: Do they think.
Speaker 2: That's one of the They just started watching it right
Speaker 2: this This has been recent for them because they are
Speaker 2: about They're pretty like they are recent is yeah, like
Speaker 2: I think the last time we talked about Twilight as yes,
Speaker 2: y'all during a staff meeting, we absolutely talked about Twilight,
Speaker 2: so you know, but I believe they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just watched that not too long ago, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what, because it's making a comeback as it should,
Speaker 2: as it should but anyways, yes, that that iconic line.
Speaker 2: But it soon finds when she puts herself in danger,
Speaker 2: she can see visions of Edward, who is absent. And
Speaker 2: by the way, another part of the controversy of this
Speaker 2: movie was how are you going to do this without
Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson because he is absent through the majority of
Speaker 2: this movie, So everybody was really up in arms about
Speaker 2: what they're going to do, and then they're like, we
Speaker 2: fixed it. Bad cgi of Edward when she puts herself
Speaker 2: in danger, Q her adventures and motorcycles and roaming in
Speaker 2: the woods, alone and by the way. During this time,
Speaker 2: the town soon has a rise of accidents and tells
Speaker 2: of large bears or creatures all around, which she soon
Speaker 2: encounters a large pack of wolves who attack the vampire
Speaker 2: Laurent if you remember he was that crew oh no
Speaker 2: from the previous Twilight, but he came back threatening to
Speaker 2: eat Bella because Victoria Victoria, she's been looking for him
Speaker 2: and Laurent's been helping. But with that, he gets attacked
Speaker 2: by the wolves and you know, dismembered and she runs
Speaker 2: home back to tell her father about it, and she
Speaker 2: figured out what these things were. They're giant wolves again Bessygi. Then,
Speaker 2: while we find out while she's hanging out with Jacob,
Speaker 2: including they go to the movies together, he leaves do
Speaker 2: to not feeling well after a really intense but really
Speaker 2: fastly acted argument with friend Mike, who was with him
Speaker 2: at the time. He despairs for a while, telling Bella
Speaker 2: he doesn't feel well, and then soon tells her he
Speaker 2: can't hang out with her anymore. And he comes up
Speaker 2: with his fresh haircut and now he's shirtless, and everybody's like,
Speaker 2: why is he shirtless? Oh my gosh. She finds out
Speaker 2: that he's been hanging around Sam and the crew, who
Speaker 2: we previously didn't really like, and he was all like,
Speaker 2: they're a gang and they're doing some weird stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't want to hang out with him. And they keep
Speaker 2: trying to recruit mem and he finally got recruited, but
Speaker 2: alas she soon discovers, he is a shape shifting where wolf.
Speaker 2: I guess the wolf is out of the bag, says
Speaker 2: one of the other wolves, who was created to protect
Speaker 2: the land and the qual people. And there's a treaty
Speaker 2: between the qualities were wolves and the vampires. Uh. So
Speaker 2: on all of this, Uh, we have Victoria, who has
Speaker 2: been the one that's been causing the chaos and all
Speaker 2: the deaths, who's on the hunt for now and that's
Speaker 2: why so many wolves are popping up with her discovery.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: With all of this, Bella is now able to fully
Speaker 2: hang out with Jacob again and the entire wolf posse.
Speaker 2: We also learned a little bit about imprinting. Not really,
Speaker 2: we don't know, because we have the two Sam and Emily,
Speaker 2: who is Sam's mate, and they're all happy or whatever,
Speaker 2: but not a little family as a will. So they're
Speaker 2: able to hang out again. Great, but During this time,
Speaker 2: they are still hunting Victoria, who is all all around
Speaker 2: about and at one point one of the members, pretty
Speaker 2: big members of the Qualia family, it's murdered by her.
Speaker 2: And during the same time, because you know, chaos is great,
Speaker 2: Bella decides she would try cliff jumping with no experience
Speaker 2: whatsoever in the middle of the winter why not, which
Speaker 2: almost kills her, but she's rescued by Jacob. Yay, however,
Speaker 2: and we do see a little popping heead of like
Speaker 2: Victoria because she'd caught her scent and was trying to
Speaker 2: go after her. Blah blah blah. However, this starts a
Speaker 2: whole chain of events where Alice thinks that Bella has
Speaker 2: died and comes back to check up on her, in
Speaker 2: which Edward hears about it from Rosalie because Rosalie's messy
Speaker 2: as hell about what Alice had seen and calls, and
Speaker 2: through a misunderstanding, Edward thinks that she is dead because
Speaker 2: Jacob's like, no, she's or he's at the hospital. Essentially,
Speaker 2: enter the Vulture and we are now introduced to a
Speaker 2: whole new gang of bad with the ruling vampires who
Speaker 2: live in Italy and have been around for a while,
Speaker 2: Edward goes to ask for them to kill him, and
Speaker 2: all these things happen. He tries to show hisself in
Speaker 2: the sun during a very big festival, Tory Festival in Italy,
Speaker 2: to show himself and to exposed a vampire, but he
Speaker 2: is saved a Bella, who does a very big launch
Speaker 2: and spider monkey jump you know I'm referring to that,
Speaker 2: onto him and saves him from that. But then we
Speaker 2: all get to meet the Vulturi, who are big, bad people.
Speaker 2: They barely escape death at this point. They're talking about
Speaker 2: killing Bella and they're like, no, don't do it. And
Speaker 2: there's a small like battle that happens, very quick, crunchy battle.
Speaker 2: All these are very crunchy, which all stops because Alice
Speaker 2: says she's gonna turn. I seen the visions, and she
Speaker 2: shows him a vision because like both head Vulturi can
Speaker 2: read thoughts as long as he's touching them, and he
Speaker 2: sees a very bad scene of Edward and Bella whimsically
Speaker 2: running through the forest and very like old school clothing.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. It's like this stills very mormonesque ideal,
Speaker 2: romantic ideal I feel like, And so he lets them
Speaker 2: go and he's very excited. So they go back home
Speaker 2: and we have the ending of the movie, which the
Speaker 2: family vote on whether or not to have Bella turn
Speaker 2: into a vampire, and all of them except for Rosa,
Speaker 2: Lee and Edward vote yes because they love her. You're
Speaker 2: already part of the family. Hell yeah, come on was
Speaker 2: the reactions, but Edward only concedes if Bella agrees to
Speaker 2: marry him. Insane. Anything to add you two that I missed?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, okay, I need to add. The soundtrack for
Speaker 3: this movie.
Speaker 2: New Moon, really, I think.
Speaker 3: Is my favorite out of all the remember Twilight movies.
Speaker 3: It is amazing. I mean, Stephanie Meyer, I think had
Speaker 3: a big you know, say in what She chose really
Speaker 3: good bands and they made a lot of original songs
Speaker 3: for I think all the movies. But this soundtrack I
Speaker 3: think stuck with me the most. There's so many good songs,
Speaker 3: so good, so sad. Yeah, that's one of my favorite
Speaker 3: things about New Moon as an Edward Team Edward. You know,
Speaker 3: it was hard for me back in the day to
Speaker 3: watch this movie. So soundtrack I loved.
Speaker 2: That had feels and it's still it's still popular today.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the songs that we hear is
Speaker 2: still popular today. Just saw a TikTok. I've been sending
Speaker 2: Christina and Annie a lot of tiktoks about it, and
Speaker 2: like it's them coming back together. The cast members coming
Speaker 2: back to the except for Kristen Robert and Anna Kendrick,
Speaker 2: mostly are like, nah, we're good. Because they're the more
Speaker 2: famous of the like more successful of the branch. I
Speaker 2: think they're nah, y'all have fun, but they're coming together. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that was New Moon, And because Christina, you are
Speaker 2: the other Ficinado, we of course need your take on Eclipse,
Speaker 2: where Robert Pattinson is back.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh my gosh. Okay, so bear with me.
Speaker 3: I tried to reduce it as much as I can,
Speaker 3: but okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be yapping. Okay, all right. Yes,
Speaker 3: marriage is on the table. It's a huge point. Opening
Speaker 3: the movie, we see a vampire attack a human. We
Speaker 3: don't know why, we don't know who it is, but
Speaker 3: we see that he's being changed so he will be
Speaker 3: a vampire. And then next jump to the famous Meadow
Speaker 3: where Edward is uh with Bella. They are talking about marriage.
Speaker 3: He says it's a compromise. If they get married, he
Speaker 3: will change her into a vampire. Okay. Jump to we
Speaker 3: see Bella's dad, Charlie, asking Bella to check in on Jacob,
Speaker 3: who is not doing well. Per the last movie, clearly
Speaker 3: he is not doing okay, and Edward does not like this.
Speaker 3: He does not trust Jacob. And also we find out
Speaker 3: that Alice sees something bad approaching, but it is not
Speaker 3: revealed and they're being secretive about this towards Bella. They
Speaker 3: do not want to scare Bella. Bella then visits her
Speaker 3: mom in Florida with Edward, which I wish we could
Speaker 3: have seen more of because Florida is so sunny and
Speaker 3: Edward was there, but we do see a pretty cool
Speaker 3: moment where Edward is inside while Bella and her mom
Speaker 3: have a mother daughter moment. Her mom is worried about
Speaker 3: her choices and whether or not they are her own.
Speaker 3: Bella also receives a sentimental gift from the mom, and
Speaker 3: she is realizing the weight of her choices in becoming
Speaker 3: a vampire and how she won't be able to see
Speaker 3: her anymore once she has changed. And now jump to
Speaker 3: we see Victoria from the last movie. She is back
Speaker 3: and she is running through the woods. Wolves and vampires
Speaker 3: are chasing her, but there is a treaty line. They
Speaker 3: are not allowed to cross that line. However, Emmett Cullen
Speaker 3: jumps over the line and tussles with Paul, who is
Speaker 3: a wolf. This is a big note. The next day,
Speaker 3: in the high school parking lot, Jake shows up and
Speaker 3: he threatens Edward sort of. He says that Emmett crossed
Speaker 3: their line and that is not okay. Bella is confused
Speaker 3: because she has no idea what's going on, Like I said,
Speaker 3: and she had no idea that Victoria was back. Bella's mad.
Speaker 3: She jumps on the bike and goes on a ride
Speaker 3: with Jake. Next we see the wolf pack again. We
Speaker 3: meet a new woman named Leah. Leah is Harry's daughter,
Speaker 3: the guy who died in the last movie from a
Speaker 3: heart attack that was caused by Victoria, but she lifted
Speaker 3: him in the air. He died from that. Lea, it
Speaker 3: is not like Bella, Jacob explains Leah's situation. Turns out,
Speaker 3: Leah was in a relationship with another pack member, but
Speaker 3: it had to end because that pack member imprinted on
Speaker 3: a different woman. And this is where we learn about imprinting.
Speaker 3: Bella asked Jake if he has imprinted, and he says,
Speaker 3: you'd know, oh if I did. So it's left unclear
Speaker 3: slash ambiguous on purpose. And then Jake also finds out
Speaker 3: that Bella plans to become a vampire and that upsets
Speaker 3: him a lot, and he says some hurtful stuff to her.
Speaker 3: Cut to uh the guy from earlier, the guy who
Speaker 3: was getting attacked by a vampire. His name is Riley.
Speaker 3: He is now a newborn vampire and he is snooping
Speaker 3: around Bella's house and he's getting her sent. Shortly after,
Speaker 3: Edward comes over and he smells that a vampire has
Speaker 3: been there. He does not know why, and Alice cannot
Speaker 3: confirm either, but it is troublesome. This causes the vampires
Speaker 3: and wolves to talk and work together to protect Bella
Speaker 3: taking shifts basically. Next, we see Bella attend a council
Speaker 3: meeting with the wolves, which is a big deal because
Speaker 3: they don't let outsiders in to learn about their history
Speaker 3: or anything like that. Here she learns about the history
Speaker 3: of their magical powers. We learn that their powers kick
Speaker 3: in when there's vampires nearby. We also learn about long
Speaker 3: ago there is a tribe that was under attack by
Speaker 3: a vampire who was seeking revenge for her partner that
Speaker 3: was killed by one of the wolves. We learn about
Speaker 3: a woman who cut herself so that the vampire attacking
Speaker 3: their tribe would be distracted long enough to be defeated,
Speaker 3: and I think this is important to remember foreshadowing. Next
Speaker 3: we see a bunch of newborn vampires in Seattle and
Speaker 3: it's causing a statewide, area wide panic of serial killings
Speaker 3: disappearances in the area, and they're garnering way too much attention,
Speaker 3: and the working theory at this point is that the
Speaker 3: VULTUREA is behind it in order to get the Cullen
Speaker 3: family killed besides Alice and Edward, because they want them
Speaker 3: to join them. Alice and Edward have very good powers,
Speaker 3: the future telling and mind reading very powerful. That's just
Speaker 3: the working theory. Next scene, we see Jake and Bella
Speaker 3: hanging out. Jake is ah not taking no for an
Speaker 3: answer when it comes to her love for him, and
Speaker 3: he forces a kiss on her and she punches him
Speaker 3: in the face, but war wolves are very strong doesn't
Speaker 3: even He doesn't even flinch or react, but she does
Speaker 3: hurt her hand and this causes Edward to be super
Speaker 3: angry at Jacob next time they meet up, but of
Speaker 3: all people, Charlie breaks up their altercation all right. Cut
Speaker 3: to the Cullens house. Carlyle, the doctor of the family,
Speaker 3: is bandaging Bella and she says she hurt it by
Speaker 3: punching a werewolf. Emmett the brother loves this and he
Speaker 3: says basically, oh, wait till you're a newborn, because she'll
Speaker 3: be so much stronger, and this visibly triggers Rosalie, who
Speaker 3: walks out of the room, and then cut to Bella
Speaker 3: and Rosalie talking just to see why she was upset,
Speaker 3: and we get to see Rosalie's backs, which is very sad,
Speaker 3: and we learn that she's resentful of her life as
Speaker 3: a vampire, mostly because she wants that idealistic husband, family, etc.
Speaker 3: And we see a flashback of her in her human
Speaker 3: form long ago with her fiance, and then another scene
Speaker 3: where she's walking in the street and her fiance is
Speaker 3: drunk with his friends and he assaults her in front
Speaker 3: of them and presumably is assaulted by all of them
Speaker 3: and left for dead in the street, and this is
Speaker 3: where Carlisle finds her and changes her in order to
Speaker 3: save her life. That's sort of his whole thing. But
Speaker 3: there is a cool scene where you get to see
Speaker 3: Rosalie seek revenge and she kills all the men that
Speaker 3: assaulted her, which was cool. And then she's also in
Speaker 3: a wedding dress the night that she kills her fiance,
Speaker 3: So I like that for her. But I think the
Speaker 3: whole emphasis on this is that she does not want
Speaker 3: Bella to be a vampire still, as you could tell
Speaker 3: from the last movie, because she doesn't want to be
Speaker 3: one either. She wants a normal life and she wants
Speaker 3: Bella to have a normal life. All right, back to
Speaker 3: the newborn situation happening in Seattle. They are still being reckless. However,
Speaker 3: it is confirmed that the Vulture are aware of this happening,
Speaker 3: and although they're supposed to be stopping it, they are not.
Speaker 3: They are allowing this to happen. All right, it's graduation time.
Speaker 3: Now we get see Bella and the Cullens graduate. Alice
Speaker 3: throws a huge party. As she does. The whole school
Speaker 3: is there. Even Jake shows up with some fellow wolf
Speaker 3: pack members and he apologizes for forcing a kiss on her.
Speaker 3: He also gives her bracelet with a wolf charm on it,
Speaker 3: which is sweet. Shortly after, Alice has a vision about
Speaker 3: these newborns and they're all taking turns getting Bella sent
Speaker 3: from the blouse that Riley, the Newborn leader, stole from
Speaker 3: her room. So it turns out the newborns are coming
Speaker 3: to Forks, especially to find Bella. This causes the Cullens
Speaker 3: and wil to have a brief meeting at the party
Speaker 3: and they decide to team up to fight the Newborn
Speaker 3: army together and then, presumably the next day, they begin
Speaker 3: training for this battle with a newborn army, and Jasper Cullen,
Speaker 3: Edward's brother, is leading this training session, and this is
Speaker 3: where we learn about Jasper's backstory. It turns out he
Speaker 3: was a Confederate officer in the Civil War. However, he
Speaker 3: was changed by a woman named Maria who manipulated him
Speaker 3: to do her bidding. So basically, he had to construct
Speaker 3: a newborn army way back when when he was first changed,
Speaker 3: and that is why he's so versed in training for
Speaker 3: this upcoming newborn battle. After learning this, Bella has a
Speaker 3: dream that reveals to her that Maria and Jasper's story
Speaker 3: is very similar to Victoria and Riley's story, So this
Speaker 3: proves that Victoria is behind this newborn army, and she
Speaker 3: is still very vengeful for the death of me, So
Speaker 3: Bella convinces Edward to stay by her side while she
Speaker 3: hides out during the newborn battle that's coming up in
Speaker 3: a few days, as Alice has predicted, and then cut
Speaker 3: to a brief Charlie Bella moment very fun. Charlie tries
Speaker 3: to have the talk with her and she hates it,
Speaker 3: and she also reveals that she's a virgin, which obviously
Speaker 3: Dad Charlie approves of and loves. So yeah, that newborn
Speaker 3: battles approaching, and Bella and Edward have suddenly a night
Speaker 3: alone at the Collen house. Edward gives her a bracelet
Speaker 3: for her other arm, clearly jealous of Jack's present that's
Speaker 3: on her arm, the wolf pendant. And then also there's
Speaker 3: a moment where Bella wants him to take her virginity
Speaker 3: and Edward says no. Unsurprisingly, he's so old school and
Speaker 3: also afraid of hurting her because he's so strong. He
Speaker 3: wants marriage first, and he wants to save her soul.
Speaker 3: He talks about how back in his day he would
Speaker 3: have courted her a very old school style, but he
Speaker 3: does officially propose to her with a ring and she
Speaker 3: says yes, and then brief cut to the Newborn Army
Speaker 3: once again. Riley's there and he's being manipulated by Victoria,
Speaker 3: just as Bella predicted. All right, it's the day before
Speaker 3: the battle, the Newborn Battle. Jake has to carry Bella
Speaker 3: to a tent where she'll be hiding. This is in
Speaker 3: order to hide her scent. Her scent is hidden with
Speaker 3: his own wolf stink. We also find out that he's
Speaker 3: staying there for the night and Edward will be there
Speaker 3: as well. So it's Edward, Jake, and Bella all staying
Speaker 3: in this tent the night before the battle. And it's
Speaker 3: freezing and Edward cannot help her because you know, vampires
Speaker 3: are cold skinned, So reluctantly, Edward allows Jake to cuddle
Speaker 3: her to keep her warm, because wolves have warm bodies.
Speaker 3: Cut to an Edward and Jake moment. Huge moment in
Speaker 3: the tent. Bella is asleep. We think Jake and Edward
Speaker 3: are talking about Bella. Jake is insisting that Bella loves
Speaker 3: him and pleading for Edward not to change her. He
Speaker 3: says something along the lines of you have to consider
Speaker 3: that I might be better for her than you are,
Speaker 3: and I think Edward believes that too. But Edward is
Speaker 3: nice to Jake though, and he admits that he would
Speaker 3: like him if he wasn't trying so much to get
Speaker 3: with Bella. In this moment, to me was important because
Speaker 3: they're just showing each other's humility and empathy, which you
Speaker 3: don't really see before. They've hated each other so much
Speaker 3: up until this moment, and there's just a good moment
Speaker 3: between them. I think Bella was listening to That's why
Speaker 3: I don't think she was asleep. I think she was
Speaker 3: kind of like listening to them talk. Okay, it's the
Speaker 3: next night. It's the day of the battle. Before he
Speaker 3: leaves a fight, Jake finds out that Edward and Bella
Speaker 3: are getting married, and this makes him very upset, and
Speaker 3: also Edward purposefully let him find that out, and Bella's
Speaker 3: super upset about it too, and she's worried that this
Speaker 3: will affect his performance in the Newborn Battle. And then
Speaker 3: we have a huge Bella and Jake moment. Finally, Bella
Speaker 3: gives permission for Jake to kiss her on like before
Speaker 3: he forced it on her, And for me, I feel
Speaker 3: like this just to make him feel better about the
Speaker 3: situation and to not let him not perform as as
Speaker 3: bad as he maybe would have otherwise. But she does
Speaker 3: love him, it's obvious, and she kisses him back as
Speaker 3: she's into it, and it's a moment. And Edward knew
Speaker 3: about it the whole time because he could read his
Speaker 3: thoughts and he didn't really care, and Bella does after
Speaker 3: reassure him that Bella loves Edward Moore. So Team Edward. Okay,
Speaker 3: huge battle scene happening. Wolves and vampires are working together,
Speaker 3: which is a big deal, and they're killing this newborn
Speaker 3: army very easily. Looking the head shattering is awesome to me.
Speaker 3: We also see a young newborn girl part of the army,
Speaker 3: but she's not participating and she's watching from the sidelines,
Speaker 3: kind of scared, and we see her be approached by
Speaker 3: Carlyle and esme, you know, Carlyle, he empathizes with people,
Speaker 3: he doesn't, you know. He wants to do what's good,
Speaker 3: all right. Cut to the tent again where Bella and
Speaker 3: Edward are still hiding. Turns out Riley and Victoria have
Speaker 3: picked up on Edward's scent and they have located them
Speaker 3: Edward tries to convince Riley that Victoria is manipulating him
Speaker 3: for her own revenge arc, but Riley does not care. However,
Speaker 3: a wolf Seth was hanging around the tent area and
Speaker 3: attacks Riley, who was about to lunge for Edward slash Bella. However,
Speaker 3: Victoria does try to run away, and Edward beckons her
Speaker 3: to stay and fight. This is her chance to get
Speaker 3: her revenge. Now cue the big Victoria and Edward fight
Speaker 3: what we've all been waiting for. There comes a moment
Speaker 3: where things aren't looking good for Edward Harbor. Bella takes
Speaker 3: note from her history lesson with the council meeting. She
Speaker 3: cuts herself like that one in the Tribe in the
Speaker 3: beginning of the movie to distract the vampires because of
Speaker 3: her blood is so tasty. This lets Edward get the
Speaker 3: upper hand and Riley is also taken down by the wolf. Finally,
Speaker 3: and Victoria obviously doesn't care this. Victoria never cared about Riley,
Speaker 3: and then finally Edward b head's Victoria, which was cool.
Speaker 3: After Edward and Bella finally leave the hideout and they
Speaker 3: go to the Newborn battle area because we find out
Speaker 3: that Alice saw the Vulture approaching, so they get there
Speaker 3: and they witness a loose newborn that was still around
Speaker 3: and it attacks Leah, the one female wolf from earlier
Speaker 3: that we met, which Jacob jumps in to help with.
Speaker 3: They're both in wolf form at this moment, and Jacob
Speaker 3: is badly, badly injured by this newborn and he's rushed
Speaker 3: out of there before the Vulturi arrive. It is important
Speaker 3: that the Vulturi does not know about the pact with
Speaker 3: the wolves because their enemies. So the newborn battle is
Speaker 3: over now, no more newborns at least the battle. So
Speaker 3: the Vulturi arrive as Alice predicted, and they act like
Speaker 3: they had nothing to do with this battle. They are
Speaker 3: impressed by the cullens Uh defeating it before they could
Speaker 3: get to it, even though they weren't planning to help anyways,
Speaker 3: and the Vulturi do notice the newborn girl who I
Speaker 3: talked about earlier who was on the sidelines and Jane.
Speaker 3: Jane Vulturi member uses her power to cause pain to
Speaker 3: her and Carlisle pleads to spare her. However, Vulturi style
Speaker 3: to assert their dominance and to be needlessly violent, they
Speaker 3: kill the newborn girl and They also asked why Bella
Speaker 3: isn't a vampire yet because the last movie they said
Speaker 3: she would be, But Bella says a date is set
Speaker 3: and the churry leave. That night, at Wolf headquarters, Bella
Speaker 3: visits Jake, who is streaming in pain while Carlyle does
Speaker 3: doctor stuff on him. Jake comes to terms with Bella
Speaker 3: not choosing him. Finally, however, Bella does admit that she
Speaker 3: does truly love him, and Jake says some good lines
Speaker 3: in this. He says, it would be as easy as
Speaker 3: breathing with me, and I'll always be waiting, and he
Speaker 3: does say that he'd maybe still wait for her even
Speaker 3: if she was a vampire, which is a huge deal.
Speaker 3: Jake loves her still. Now. At the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: we're in the Famous Meadow once again. Bella and Edward
Speaker 3: are together having a loving moment. They're talking about the
Speaker 3: date for the wedding and how Alice will plan everything,
Speaker 3: and in this moment, Bella has decided that this choice
Speaker 3: she's making for herself and it's not all about Edward,
Speaker 3: and this is her come to terms moment where she
Speaker 3: truly feels like this is her destiny to be a vampire,
Speaker 3: and she says something along the lines of this wasn't
Speaker 3: a choice between you and Jacob. It was a choice
Speaker 3: between who I should be and who I am. And
Speaker 3: Edward loves this answer and he's happy it's not all
Speaker 3: about him, obviously, because he has so much guilt over
Speaker 3: her soul. And then there's a cute ending where she's like,
Speaker 3: we have something very hard to do now, and that's
Speaker 3: to tell Charlie that they're getting married, and he puts
Speaker 3: the ring on her finger, and that's the end.
Speaker 2: Nicely done. Do you want to put in here though,
Speaker 2: that we did have a bedroom scene and it's as
Speaker 2: Mormon as you can guess in this level in which
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. She's trying. She's like,
Speaker 2: I feel like I've tried to take away a virtue
Speaker 2: she's denied because her thought her to go was Okay,
Speaker 2: we can get married, but I want to have sex.
Speaker 3: While that was important to her, Yes, that's a good
Speaker 3: point to bring up. She wants to have human sex
Speaker 3: and he's afraid of hurting her, yes, because he's so
Speaker 3: strong most humanness.
Speaker 2: She said, I want to do it like whatever, and
Speaker 2: he was like, not right now, I'll keep your clothes
Speaker 2: on I stop trying to take off your clothes. Such a lie,
Speaker 2: and because that will come up as a thing for
Speaker 2: breaking dawn and you're welcome.
Speaker 4: Big and true blood.
Speaker 1: Where like that one vampire didn't have sex, she's like
Speaker 1: a virgin, so every time she had sex, Yeah, as
Speaker 1: a vampire.
Speaker 2: It hurt because it would heal. Yeah every time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not how this marks y'all. Every time, But like
Speaker 2: they break the hymen is the idea.
Speaker 4: Right right, right, that's not quite that was the thing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so here with this as where like vampires
Speaker 2: are specifically sexualized in most renditions, here they are not.
Speaker 2: We have the wholesome and honestly, when you break down,
Speaker 2: I think we've did this with again Twilight. When we
Speaker 2: talk about Twilight his controlling behavior, and we know it's
Speaker 2: all to protect her, but you're like, bro, you're telling
Speaker 2: her she can't go hang out with people. You won't.
Speaker 2: You disabled her car so she could not go see
Speaker 2: somebody like you are right there saying like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: going to Florida and then like manipulating her to tell
Speaker 2: her father that we're doing this. I was like, in reality,
Speaker 2: this is not a good relationship, y'all. But we'll come
Speaker 2: back to that. I did want to try something because
Speaker 2: I think it's it's something that we should do. And
Speaker 2: I've been going back and forth listeners because it's so cheesy,
Speaker 2: but you know how we love doing a good rendition
Speaker 2: or a read through, especially of classics like this. So
Speaker 2: I thought we would do that with both New Moon
Speaker 2: and Eclips and I took out a few of the
Speaker 2: dialogues that had all three of the main characters, Jacob, Edward,
Speaker 2: and Bella with some of the fun fun bits. But
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't want to take this
Speaker 2: away from Christina, because Christina, really she has been a loyal,
Speaker 2: loyal fan in this, so I think you need to
Speaker 2: assign who plays what because I was gonna at first
Speaker 2: I had it, and I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: because like I don't know, Christina, if you want to
Speaker 2: be Bella or if you want to be Edward like
Speaker 2: in the in the talk like not in real life.
Speaker 2: I know you're not to that level, but like like
Speaker 2: playing these characters. Because I'm not gonna lie. Here's a
Speaker 2: real honest, embarrassing confession. I would actually read these books
Speaker 2: out loud sometimes as the characters to see if I
Speaker 2: could do the Lions justice because I sounded so great
Speaker 2: that I'm like, I want to see if I can
Speaker 2: do this, and I could not.
Speaker 3: Just an FYI, no, same embarrassing admission for me is
Speaker 3: that me and my cousins when the First Twilight came out,
Speaker 3: we would reenact the scene in the woods where she's
Speaker 3: like where he's like, I'm a killer or whatever, and
Speaker 3: we filmed it on some but so bad. But for
Speaker 3: this I will be Edward.
Speaker 2: You would be Edward. Okay, well you need to assign
Speaker 2: the rest, like who am I? And who are they?
Speaker 3: Samantha, you are Jacob and Annie Isabella. This makes the most.
Speaker 2: Sense, I think it does. Actually, that's exactly how I
Speaker 2: had cast it in originally. Did I tell you this? Why? Yes,
Speaker 2: this was my head. I was like, this is who was?
Speaker 2: But then I was like, I don't want to take
Speaker 2: that away from Christina because maybe she wants to be
Speaker 2: Bella in this line. So this is the scene in
Speaker 2: which Edward h comes back from New Moon with from
Speaker 2: the Vultuies and they run into Jacob. Okay, so right scene, Okay,
Speaker 2: you stay the hell out of my head.
Speaker 3: Jacob. I know you have something to say to me,
Speaker 3: but I'd like to say something to you, if that's
Speaker 3: all right. Thank you, Thank you for keeping Bella alive
Speaker 3: when I didn't.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't, and it wasn't for your benefit. Trust me.
Speaker 3: I'm still grateful. But I'm here now. I'm not leaving
Speaker 3: her side until she orders me away.
Speaker 2: Oh we'll see, and it's my turn to talk. I'm
Speaker 2: here to remind you of a key point in the treaty.
Speaker 3: I haven't forgotten what key point.
Speaker 2: If any of them bites a human, the truth is over.
Speaker 4: But if I choose, it has nothing to do with you.
Speaker 2: No, I won't let you. You're not going to be
Speaker 2: one of them, Bella.
Speaker 4: It's not up to you.
Speaker 2: You know what will do to you. I won't have
Speaker 2: a choice. Bella, come please?
Speaker 4: No is he going to hurt me? Read his mind?
Speaker 3: Assures her.
Speaker 2: Insane.
Speaker 4: The awards coming.
Speaker 2: And we're still gonna get this yet. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: we all did it. Amazing job. And with that, do
Speaker 2: you want to stick with this because we're gonna do
Speaker 2: a little bit of eclipse after they discovered some other
Speaker 2: vampire had been in Bella's house. And by the way,
Speaker 2: there's a scene in which Riley goes over to Charlie
Speaker 2: to sniff, and that is actually a part of the book.
Speaker 2: Like there's this whole like moment of like, you know,
Speaker 2: she's freaking out because she's thinking he was in danger
Speaker 2: and he was technically Charlie, good old.
Speaker 3: Childie, Charlie. My mom loved Charlie, as you.
Speaker 2: Said, everybody, everybody loved Charlie. He was the him And
Speaker 2: I want to say some of the wolf Pack and
Speaker 2: Emmett were the like comedic rights in this in this scene.
Speaker 2: So are we keeping the same characters? Yeah, Christina, Okay,
Speaker 2: So here we go from a clips, Here we go.
Speaker 2: See whoever it was he left his think behind. It'll
Speaker 2: be hard to miss when we cross it again. We'll
Speaker 2: handle it from here.
Speaker 3: We don't need you to handle anything for anyone.
Speaker 2: I could care less what you need.
Speaker 4: Okay, great, and we'll all work together. Come on, we've
Speaker 4: all got the same goals here, right to catch the
Speaker 4: bad vampires.
Speaker 2: Like there's a difference.
Speaker 3: All right, we're done here.
Speaker 2: No, you're done here.
Speaker 4: Stop let go. I'm tired of this. From now on.
Speaker 4: I'm Switzerland. Okay. I know you guys don't like each other,
Speaker 4: but we've got bigger problems. Lots of them, and this
Speaker 4: is just one temporary solution if you'd be willing to try.
Speaker 2: My favorite is the Switzerland line, and it just out
Speaker 2: of nowhere when she did.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, and I think people were teams Switzerland,
Speaker 3: like it was Team Edward, team Jacob, Team Switzerland. I
Speaker 3: forgot about Team Switzerland.
Speaker 2: I forgot because it's like, wait what, wait what? Oh y'all,
Speaker 2: thank you for going down this embarrassing road with us. Listeners,
Speaker 2: Please feel free to never listen to that again because
Speaker 2: you probably have secondhand embarrassment. This movie also had. Again,
Speaker 2: we talked about the controversies, and I didn't We didn't
Speaker 2: talk about the fact that they brought in some really
Speaker 2: like a less celebrities in this one, including uh Dakota
Speaker 2: Fanning who actually was in talks at that point of
Speaker 2: her and Christen Stewart doing Cherrybaum, which was the movie
Speaker 2: based on the Runways. Uh so the last thing people
Speaker 2: were really excited because you also had that, and then
Speaker 2: you had what's his name from the Vultur.
Speaker 4: I thought that was it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I've never seen these obviously, And by the way, listeners,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you're like me, please
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the first one. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you might be really killed. Yes, but this was this
Speaker 1: meme that I've seen for years. I've never known where
Speaker 1: it came from. Of the voltire and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's word.
Speaker 3: Can I say something? I dressed as one of them
Speaker 3: for Halloween one year. I had read contacts and everything, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Sheen coming in as this like he again jik.
Speaker 2: Of course he also had come from underworld, yeah, where
Speaker 2: he was a vampire right, No, he was a was
Speaker 2: he a vampire or was he a were wolf? He
Speaker 2: was a were wolf where he met his then wife.
Speaker 2: But like all these things, we also had Jamie Campbell Bauer,
Speaker 2: who he's such a minor character as one of the Vultoi,
Speaker 2: the main three, but he's actually also a minor character
Speaker 2: from Harry Potter paying in an older wizard that you
Speaker 2: only see in a flash fight. But everybody was so
Speaker 2: excited for this crossover that was happening. They thought, like
Speaker 2: this is this is so good, And each and every
Speaker 2: one of these movies were at least like making. I
Speaker 2: think New Moon was at number nine of the best
Speaker 2: selling movie at number nine, like the most money of
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine until the Harry Potter franchise came
Speaker 2: out and then that beat that one out, and then
Speaker 2: we had the same thing happened with Eclipse, which was
Speaker 2: like the seventh highest gross grossing movie, and then Harry
Speaker 2: Potter movie came out and it knocked it out as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so we had all these like bigger actors
Speaker 2: being a part of these later franchises that everybody was
Speaker 2: freaking out about with the most minor rules until later,
Speaker 2: like Michael Sheen does play bigger part, so does the
Speaker 2: Coda Fanning Dakota Fanning really making like her character so
Speaker 2: menacing even though she's the most adorable thing in the
Speaker 2: whole wide world essentially. But yeah, you had a lot
Speaker 2: of that. And then also yes, the Bryce Dallas Howard
Speaker 2: coming in taking it all over the character of Victoria
Speaker 2: from the original Victoria, and like the publicity would like,
Speaker 2: it was pretty ugly because they're like, oh, she has
Speaker 2: scheduling conflict, and then it turned out she's like, what, No,
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: Remember this, what's happening?
Speaker 2: Did I get recast? Like she literally found out that way,
Speaker 2: And then it turned out that Bryce Dallas Howard had
Speaker 2: been originally asked to play Victoria from Jump, but she
Speaker 2: turned it down and then came back, so it was
Speaker 2: like whoa drama? So yeah, so many good things, y'all.
Speaker 2: Is fantastic. Thank you for indulging me, Christina. You did
Speaker 2: an amazing job with that one. We do want to
Speaker 2: talk about some of the themes and tropes within this movie,
Speaker 2: because that's what we do for these movies. Obviously, we
Speaker 2: have the trope of the love triangle, and it's always
Speaker 2: the werewolf in a vampire always.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the perfect duo, is it?
Speaker 2: Why do they always come together?
Speaker 3: There are enemies? There's something there about that human vampire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they were because like maybe it's
Speaker 2: just the one other one. Maybe it's because I've watched
Speaker 2: that in True Blood and they're always like opposing each other.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But we have the love triangle of course,
Speaker 2: with her loving both of them. But you have the
Speaker 2: main lead, which is gonna always be Robert Pattinson for this,
Speaker 2: and of course that whole story of them having the
Speaker 2: ultimate chemistry that has kind of fallen apart since then.
Speaker 2: That you have all of that, and then you have
Speaker 2: people backing home different people.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, the teams. I would get in
Speaker 3: fights with people as a teenager about what team you're on.
Speaker 3: And also just like Edward and Jacob sort of like
Speaker 3: I don't know, doing things to make each other jealous.
Speaker 3: Like there's several moments of that throughout both movies, like
Speaker 3: Edward tissing her in front of him super passionately on purpose,
Speaker 3: but also Jacob being shirtless and hot and hugging her,
Speaker 3: and the cuddling scene in the tent and the thoughts
Speaker 3: he was having that he knew Edward could read, and
Speaker 3: then the tissing he did of her twice and the
Speaker 3: bracelet thing, you know, she had one arm had a
Speaker 3: wolf on it and the other had whatever diamond thing
Speaker 3: that Edward got her.
Speaker 2: The giant diamond. Yeah, but how She's like, is this
Speaker 2: the pretty stone still a favorite? But it's supposed to
Speaker 2: represent like the ruggedness versus like the very like, shiny,
Speaker 2: unattainable beautiful thing. So yes, we had that. The Okay,
Speaker 2: this is just a small side thing, and I just
Speaker 2: I have to have so many questions. But like with
Speaker 2: the werewolf versus vampire, the territories and the fact that
Speaker 2: the werewolves were all like Native Indigenous people who were
Speaker 2: protecting their territory as they should. But mom, like this
Speaker 2: was at all racist, the fact that like the Native
Speaker 2: Indigenous people are keep being called dogs and smelly in
Speaker 2: a hairy I'm like, can you calm down? Like I
Speaker 2: canuet you also wants to hate each other, But y'all
Speaker 2: start to get real, like this could good.
Speaker 3: I mean I thought about that with the scene where
Speaker 3: they did like the history lesson of the werewolf, uh
Speaker 3: and basically they were colonized by vampires, Like.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do absolutely like the vampires are clearly like
Speaker 3: white people, So yeah.
Speaker 2: Who could came taking over their land and their children
Speaker 2: and killing everybody? That was just a side note that
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think there's been a little bit of
Speaker 2: controversy in the way that Stephanie Meyers portrayed the characters
Speaker 2: and making sure they are very falllessly white and like
Speaker 2: like that was the beauty standard. So everybody was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so pale, you need a backtrack, You need to backtrack
Speaker 2: all that, and then to try and have Laurent, who
Speaker 2: is the only at this point a person of color,
Speaker 2: as a vampire because we'll see more. And by the way,
Speaker 2: it's also a little bit shady, like when it come
Speaker 2: the representation, you're like, wait, what's happening? But anyway, but
Speaker 2: like try to like, you know, this is what this
Speaker 2: looks like and still making him look almost caricaturish as
Speaker 2: a person of color, You're like, bow way, Again, that
Speaker 2: could have been more of the movie decisions rather than
Speaker 2: the book, but she seemed to be okay with it.
Speaker 2: Another theme is that whole commitment marriage relationships and about
Speaker 2: virginity and souls. Like that whole thing was like.
Speaker 3: Wow, like religious undertoned for sure. I mean, virginity is
Speaker 3: so important to him, and yeah, he just cannot possibly
Speaker 3: break that.
Speaker 2: One rule you know that's gonna say her soul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's protect to virginity. If nothing else that the murder
Speaker 2: not so.
Speaker 4: Much, nothing else.
Speaker 1: But he's like one hundred years old.
Speaker 3: He's so old school. He wanted to ask Charlie for
Speaker 3: her mission. He would have done it different if it
Speaker 3: was nineteen oh one, you know, the iced tea.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think he was southern was
Speaker 2: but like the it did make me laugh at all
Speaker 2: of this level, like who the main character was and
Speaker 2: why he was so idealized, of course, which is why
Speaker 2: translated into fifty shades of gray, the dominant, controlling, protective, uh,
Speaker 2: saving of her virtue, all these things like very like
Speaker 2: male patriarchy, religiously male patriarchy. That you're like, you have
Speaker 2: an idea of what you think is the standard. And again,
Speaker 2: like if you looked at what he did, like if
Speaker 2: you wrote down the things he did and the way
Speaker 2: he acted, you'd be like, yeah, this is not helped me.
Speaker 2: This is very toxic. Is Jacob any better, because all
Speaker 2: he is is like anger, a ball of anger and
Speaker 2: constantly blowing up. Yeah, but then coming back with that
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's like it's constantly blowing up, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: blowing out upsid like none of these things are great
Speaker 2: for men.
Speaker 3: Yes, just so we know, I know, I was thinking
Speaker 3: a lot about if you remember Emily, one of the
Speaker 3: wolf Pack's wives. Yes, she has a scar on her face, Yes,
Speaker 3: supposedly lose from like an accident from a fight though regardless,
Speaker 3: but it's kind of just like, oh, this thing happened
Speaker 3: to her. She got scarred horrifically by her husband, So
Speaker 3: that's interesting. So like, either party has their faults and
Speaker 3: when it comes to how they treat women they.
Speaker 2: Love right and also how little they trust them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting that essentially you have like.
Speaker 1: Edward the vampire, who's the dangerous he's so attracted to her,
Speaker 1: he's a smell he'll lose control. And then you have
Speaker 1: the werewolf and the danger is he's so projective it's
Speaker 1: gonna get angry. But it's all like her causes these
Speaker 1: things right in men that we see all the time.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting because it's kind of
Speaker 1: like too of like being either you're blamed for being like,
Speaker 1: oh you were tanked up, oh no, or oh wow
Speaker 1: you did you said something he didn't like and he
Speaker 1: got mad?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's like interestingly romanticized, and that's a conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think more and more like as we are
Speaker 2: enjoying all these things, and again I liked it a lot,
Speaker 2: and then you start backing tracking, like.
Speaker 1: It's also like I felt bad for Bella, but I
Speaker 1: was like, girl, you gotta you're like gonna kill her.
Speaker 3: So just it hurts.
Speaker 4: I know it hurts, but we've got to do something about.
Speaker 3: Did meet there so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Another theme in Trope is of course the revenge aspect. Uh.
Speaker 2: We had Victoria coming in doing everything and then like
Speaker 2: having to manipulate other underlings to do get her revenge.
Speaker 3: And it's just like the Jasper story, same type of thing,
Speaker 3: I think. But yeah, and the Wolf Floor had revenge
Speaker 3: in their plot as well. That's why that is why
Speaker 3: they don't trust. Yeah, they got attacked. And the Rosalie
Speaker 3: story had revenge in it too, which I loved the
Speaker 3: you know, her getting revenge in all the men that
Speaker 3: left her for dead, Yes, essentially. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we of course have the power aspect with
Speaker 2: who is more powerful between the walls and the like
Speaker 2: I can run faster, I can do this, I can
Speaker 2: get you, I can the back, very macho competition.
Speaker 3: I do like the the power that they show for women,
Speaker 3: for like Maria and Jasper. Maria that the person who
Speaker 3: changed Jasper and his lore, she had control over him,
Speaker 3: and Victoria and Riley they mirror each other. Victoria had
Speaker 3: so much power over Riley, and then Jane, the young
Speaker 3: Jane Dakota Fanning. She had so much power in the
Speaker 3: Vulture and everybody was obviously intimidated by her, So I
Speaker 3: do like that they gave, like some women, a bunch
Speaker 3: of power.
Speaker 2: Strength. Unfortunately, the Valtori heads are all three men.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very of course, weird, weirdly.
Speaker 2: Placed the men one has monotonin, wants to die, the
Speaker 2: other one who does could care less in the mid
Speaker 2: one who was really too excited Michael Stene, you're too excited.
Speaker 3: I love the younger the younger man who has like
Speaker 3: a Justin Bieber haircut, like that's the hair you're having.
Speaker 3: And Italy right.
Speaker 1: Hey, trends, vampires are not a huge trends, Christina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all have the drums.
Speaker 2: Of course, we have an introduction of vulture and the
Speaker 2: makeup of what's coming. Yes, and Jane and her leadership
Speaker 2: and her cruelty. As we saw the young new vampire Brie,
Speaker 2: which was also I don't know, Christine, did you see
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I just got some real like
Speaker 2: getting excited for the movies that I would look him up.
Speaker 2: But Brie when she was cast, everybody was super excited
Speaker 2: and built her up. And even though those who had
Speaker 2: read the book knew what was coming, was hoping she
Speaker 2: would have more scenes and she didn't poor thing, But
Speaker 2: everybody was really excited when she was gins because she
Speaker 2: looks so cute. There's no reason, no reason, that was it.
Speaker 2: I think she was a Disney star at one point
Speaker 2: or something, right, So yeah, and people were really excited
Speaker 2: to see what she would do with a role. And
Speaker 2: then again with the same character who played Leah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish Leah got more time too. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: She may be more in the next she is, she
Speaker 2: is a little bit more of the next. But like
Speaker 2: her character, everybody was really really excited about because yeah,
Speaker 2: there wasn't many. She was the only female woman wolf
Speaker 2: that was coming in, and of course they had to
Speaker 2: make her look really bitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she hated Bella. I guess you know.
Speaker 2: She hated Bella. She hated all werewolves because if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for the vampires, werewolves did not exist. If were
Speaker 2: wolves did not exist, they would not imprint, and if
Speaker 2: they did not imprint, she would be marrying Sam, who
Speaker 2: she was still very much in love with. That was
Speaker 2: that whole level, So you kind of understood this for her.
Speaker 2: And it was Julia Jones, who is actually I've seen
Speaker 2: her in several things recently with taking on a lot
Speaker 2: of Native Indigenous roles, which is awesome, love to see it.
Speaker 2: I think she may have been on the uh the
Speaker 2: Newest True Detective. But yeah, so I could be brob.
Speaker 2: But Julia Jones actually was bigger. Oh she was actually
Speaker 2: in Mandalorian. She was a Mendalorian. I believe. I remember
Speaker 2: being really excited, like she looks super familiar. I believe
Speaker 2: that's what she was in. People can tell me I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but she was a native Indigenous person coming in, coming
Speaker 2: in pretty strong, and everybody was really excited and hoping
Speaker 2: to see her more roles. But yeah, like the portrayal
Speaker 2: not glowing for women in these movies. Again, they get
Speaker 2: a little better. We do see a little more with
Speaker 2: Bella as the time comes, and her decision making and
Speaker 2: taking on some strengths. Oh, y'all, we also to end
Speaker 2: this off, because we do. We're wrapping it up. I
Speaker 2: think Christina, you're doing an amazing job. And so that
Speaker 2: you're here, did you you sent us a quiz, a
Speaker 2: BuzzFeed quiz, yes, about what characters we were? All right?
Speaker 2: Did Annie? Did you take this quiz? You read it
Speaker 2: for this all right? So I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 2: tell y'all my result. Which, by the way, y'all, if
Speaker 2: you get a chance to find this BuzzFeed quiz uh
Speaker 2: that's titled which top Twilight character are you? Because the
Speaker 2: questions are ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, if you say you want to drink blood,
Speaker 1: obviously you're trying.
Speaker 2: Also, maybe we should have you on registree human delicious.
Speaker 2: That's that was one of the answers. But yes, I
Speaker 2: came up to be Charlie Swan. That's all right, right,
Speaker 2: I'm the cool dude. Just keep being your adorable oblive yourself.
Speaker 2: Also your daughters. Now never mind, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: that part, and you're yeah, you don't need to know that.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you that, like giving away to Annie
Speaker 2: the plot.
Speaker 3: I need to add that during my obsession with Twilight,
Speaker 3: my mom was very also into it too, and she
Speaker 3: would attend all the movie premieres with us. I think
Speaker 3: she even read all the books, like after I was
Speaker 3: done with them, and she loved Charlie. You know, I
Speaker 3: think parents loved Charlie. He was like, all, I think this.
Speaker 2: Is what I was thinking, because I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I thought about between this
Speaker 2: and Harry Potter the movie, not necessarily the books, We're
Speaker 2: not talking about that, but the fact that like the acting.
Speaker 2: The acting, and I think most of the younger those
Speaker 2: who have grown up from these franchises will admit this
Speaker 2: as well was not great. All of the acting is
Speaker 2: really really, really really bad, and a lot of it
Speaker 2: had to do even though there weren't children, there were
Speaker 2: teenagers or older, and you would think it would be better,
Speaker 2: but it quite wasn't. They quite didn't get there. But
Speaker 2: the differences between the Harry Potter movie and the Twilet
Speaker 2: movie is that Harry Potter had caliber, adult, seasoned actors
Speaker 2: that were at the forefront. So it wasn't just the
Speaker 2: kids all around doing things. So you had that level
Speaker 2: of conversations that came in and like really helped the
Speaker 2: younger generations with a come to life as where this
Speaker 2: one is more focused. Twilight is more focused on the newer,
Speaker 2: uh less experienced actors as taking the entire movie. So
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel as Charlie did, but like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: had Charlie, he's.
Speaker 3: A pretty seasoned actor. Yeah, Charlie, he was the people.
Speaker 2: Charlie he's bad guys and some of other stuff.
Speaker 3: Arlie, why are you a villain?
Speaker 2: But the but the uh who you uh elders. Those
Speaker 2: actors are seasoned actors do and they were obviously a
Speaker 2: different caliber too, but you just don't see much of
Speaker 2: them acting, and so you're like, damn it, just having
Speaker 2: that kind of love.
Speaker 3: We needed more of them, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but having that was a little different to this.
Speaker 2: But yes, Charlie, apparently I am a curmudgeon that threatens
Speaker 2: people with gun.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can say what I was now, and I'm
Speaker 3: so happy with my answer. I didn't even try to
Speaker 3: get you know, I could have put I love drinking blood,
Speaker 3: but I was real about I was real in my answers,
Speaker 3: and I got Alice, who was one of the best.
Speaker 2: I love Alice's character. I think like actually Green really tried,
Speaker 2: but she didn't understand that. Like the first one, she
Speaker 2: was a little better actually, like maybe because of the
Speaker 2: way it's written that she's just like Flighty and just
Speaker 2: really nonchalant and even when she is concerned, it's still nonchalant.
Speaker 3: She's so important, but like Alice is op.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Annie, what was your answer?
Speaker 4: I got? Carlisle.
Speaker 3: I love so amazing. I love Carlile's He's amazing. Carlisle
Speaker 3: is one of the best too.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, I haven't like read or scene,
Speaker 1: so I was like, this is good. But it was like,
Speaker 1: you're compassionate and you care about people and you want
Speaker 1: to protect people and use.
Speaker 3: Yeah mine said I was like the life of the
Speaker 3: party and stuff which I don't know about, but I'll
Speaker 3: take it away. I love Alice. I could see it
Speaker 3: for you, you as Carlyle and Samantha as Charlie.
Speaker 2: Apparently I'm oblivious, so there's that. Okay, okay, it's fine.
Speaker 2: It's I'm fine.
Speaker 3: And Alice Charlie, I mean, Charlie loves.
Speaker 2: Out charlietally loves Alice, and that is so Annie. You're
Speaker 2: I will say, you're at least like two thirds of
Speaker 2: the way in maybe three fits. We'll see three fits.
Speaker 2: It is because that's five movies. You're three fits of
Speaker 2: the way and tell user your review.
Speaker 4: They're fun, They're fun.
Speaker 1: I've had a good time watching them. I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun moments. Do you want to I'm excited
Speaker 1: to get to the end, and then I have some
Speaker 1: like overarching thoughts I want to discuss okay, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I will admit I've been nervous.
Speaker 4: I know it. I was like, I don't know what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen.
Speaker 3: To me, But okay, the question is what team are you?
Speaker 4: And oh, oh, I'm team Neither. I'm teen Switzerland.
Speaker 3: People were might have been Team Bella. I wonder if
Speaker 3: that it might have been a thing too, see Neither.
Speaker 2: It was like I was. I think I was team
Speaker 2: Edward as well because I love the sulky Yeah, take
Speaker 2: care of you, the ideals. But in the end, I
Speaker 2: think I was really team Leah in the Team Seth.
Speaker 2: I loved Seth and Lea, and I think it was
Speaker 2: like towards the end where I really really love them.
Speaker 2: But I like she was annoying for sure, but I
Speaker 2: feel like and she was made that way, but I
Speaker 2: feel like there's absolute reason as to why. And yeah,
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about the fact that there's were wolf
Speaker 2: packed telepathy and we're thinking here, which are those thoughts
Speaker 2: even if they don't want it when they're all wolves,
Speaker 2: and it's really unfortunate because it's and then she's in
Speaker 2: the pack with her ex, who she's still absolutely in
Speaker 2: love with, so he hears everything, which is that's a nightmare.
Speaker 3: I just I wish I would let her imprint somebody.
Speaker 3: I don't think that ever happened, but they never do.
Speaker 1: I have to say, because again I've read a lot
Speaker 1: of fan fiction, but a lot of this is like
Speaker 1: very fan fiction ing I've never heard in print before,
Speaker 1: and now like I've seen it in fan fiction now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is where it came from.
Speaker 4: Okay, got it.
Speaker 2: It gets like it gets really sketchy, and you're like,
Speaker 2: maybe you shouldn't do it that way. Don't do that,
Speaker 2: Why don't do that?
Speaker 1: I do want to clarify my those guys statement in
Speaker 1: that I can understand why people are into them, like
Speaker 1: I I done. I've read liked those things. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I I totally do get it. But my viewpoint at
Speaker 1: this state point is no, it makes sense.
Speaker 3: I mean as a tea, as a tween, I was
Speaker 3: so team Edward. But yeah, obviously I look at it now,
Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, you know, yeah, but I'll let you
Speaker 3: just be on our own.
Speaker 1: Maybe you shouldn't do this anymore, don't do that after it, man,
Speaker 1: I do definitely want to come back and talk about
Speaker 1: like my weirdness of vampire stuff.
Speaker 4: In general of like you're eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yes, forever again okay, just to kind of that preview
Speaker 2: of like this is how imprinting is also, like, yes,
Speaker 2: why I Pickayah, this has been a fun journey. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to finish it out.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so. I'm excited. I've like because I've heard
Speaker 1: hints of what happens. Yes, so I'm really really excited.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely do that soon. Hopefully we can make a
Speaker 1: thing of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, Christina, you did an amazing job. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for hopping on and joining us in this adventure.
Speaker 3: I was more than happy.
Speaker 4: So yes, it was really cool too because I can
Speaker 4: just tell you're an editor because you were like, so
Speaker 4: they go over here and then I love it. So
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, Thank you so much, Christina, and
Speaker 4: we'll we'll do it again. Yes.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, listeners, oh my gosh, if you have
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Speaker 1: always too, our saper producer Christina A Yah, Yes, our
Speaker 1: executive producer Maya, and our conjurter Joey, who we should
Speaker 1: also invite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joey loves Twilight, so we should have been for
Speaker 3: the viewing. Yeah, maybe for the next one.
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