Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2: It's the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Fantasy Football podcast. I'm your
Speaker 2: host for the day. My name is Scott Bogman. You
Speaker 2: can follow me on the Twitter at bogmin Sports. I'm
Speaker 2: joined us always by Pat fitz Morris at FITS Underscore
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Speaker 2: one of our favorites. We have him on every year,
Speaker 2: the author of the Rookie Scouting Portfolio, Matt Waldman. You
Speaker 2: can find him on the Twitter at Matt Waldman w
Speaker 2: A L D m A N.
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming back on and how
Speaker 2: excited are you? It is your time of year. The
Speaker 2: portfolio is done and now you just get to sit
Speaker 2: back and talk about it. The hard part's over. The
Speaker 2: fun part is here.
Speaker 3: Correct, Absolutely, Scott, And it's a pleasure to be with
Speaker 3: you and Pat again this year.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 3: It's fun to have folks that I can do a
Speaker 3: podcast like this on a regular annual basis on this way.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a good time and I'm raring to go.
Speaker 1: Fits.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for the draft? I mean we are
Speaker 2: two weeks away at this point. It is right there
Speaker 2: the light is at the end of the tunnel. Are
Speaker 2: you ready?
Speaker 5: I am ready?
Speaker 6: And like Matt is almost like Matt is the human
Speaker 6: warning track for the draft because when we have him
Speaker 6: on our show, we know that we are about to
Speaker 6: hit the draft. So it's always like great to have
Speaker 6: him on that officially heralds.
Speaker 5: The start of draft season for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love having at on and we're
Speaker 2: about to get a wealth of information and a different perspective.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how, because I know there are some
Speaker 2: people that just absolutely will not pay attention to other
Speaker 2: outside opinions when they watch.
Speaker 1: Are you that way, Matt?
Speaker 2: Are you a guy that says, look, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go into my bubble, I'm gonna evaluate, and then I'll
Speaker 2: come out of the bubble and see what everybody else
Speaker 2: is saying. Or do you take in other opinions, like
Speaker 2: during the process as you're making the rookie scouting portfolio.
Speaker 4: I'll put it to you this way.
Speaker 3: If you look at the Rookie skytingport for people who
Speaker 3: aren't familiar, it's an eleven hundred and eighty three page
Speaker 3: document that outlines my process, probably in a way that
Speaker 3: few people outline to the depth that I do. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have a complete glossary of terms that I use
Speaker 3: that to form my criteria, and it's based on you know,
Speaker 3: I have checklists for each position that are over one
Speaker 3: hundred points in terms of one hundred criteria points that
Speaker 3: I grade even more than that some of these. So
Speaker 3: really I'm in my own bubble so much so that,
Speaker 3: you know, the way that I watch film, I'm not
Speaker 3: watching college games the way that people tune in on
Speaker 3: Saturday and go, oh, I'm saying this. No, I mean
Speaker 3: like I'm watching games to the point that you know
Speaker 3: the joke is and it was for real is I
Speaker 3: didn't know Lamar Jackson won the Heisman Trophy years ago
Speaker 3: until I studied him six months later.
Speaker 4: You know. So there are.
Speaker 3: People towards the end of my process that I'll have
Speaker 3: conversations with and we'll kind of compare notes a little bit.
Speaker 3: But even then, at most it just gets me to
Speaker 3: go back and say, did I see the same thing? Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh no, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Let me watch a.
Speaker 3: Couple more games and see if I see something that
Speaker 3: didn't show up here. And usually I'm just sticking with
Speaker 3: my process because at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: would encourage everyone to do that. Who's evaluating, because you're
Speaker 3: not going to figure out better ways to become an
Speaker 3: evaluator if you're not wrong and you're not gonna know,
Speaker 3: and you've got more importantly, you've got to know why
Speaker 3: you were wrong, and so you've got to follow your
Speaker 3: own compass. If I listen to Chad Writer or at
Speaker 3: NFL dot com or Lanzerline or Dane Brugler or somebody
Speaker 3: Kurt Warner or somebody else, I don't know their frame
Speaker 3: of reference and what they're going about to do their work.
Speaker 3: So why they say someone's inaccurate? Unless I could sit
Speaker 3: down for four or five five hours and we watched
Speaker 3: some film together and really go through a lot, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to know their frame of reference. So if
Speaker 3: they say something and I'm just changing for that, I'm
Speaker 3: not and I'm right or wrong, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: know why I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, it's a it's a good point.
Speaker 2: And that's in you know, not just scouting everything in
Speaker 2: your experiences. You know, sometimes you don't have to. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to make all your mistakes. You can
Speaker 2: learn from other people's mistakes, but you also have to
Speaker 2: go out there and do it. So I think it's
Speaker 2: a good way to look at a lot of things.
Speaker 2: So let's start with quarterbacks and Pat, I know you
Speaker 2: have a question about maybe the top guy here.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: And before we start Boggs, I have to comment.
Speaker 6: When Matt mentioned his glossary, the first thing I thought
Speaker 6: of was the term clap attack, which is a term
Speaker 6: for an undesirable catching technique. And I'm thinking back to
Speaker 6: Matt's appearance on our show last year when he talked
Speaker 6: at length about Quinton Johnston, and I'm guessing that anyone
Speaker 6: who listened to that show probably had some second thoughts
Speaker 6: if they were considering Quintin Johnston in a rookie draft. So,
Speaker 6: just in case you're wondering why you should be listening
Speaker 6: to the show, and you are, it's for things like
Speaker 6: that that might might keep you from going a straight
Speaker 6: in your dynasty rookie drafts. But Matt Caleb Williams is
Speaker 6: almost assuredly going to be the number one pick in
Speaker 6: the NFL draft. He's most people's QB one, He's your
Speaker 6: QB one. And one of the many cool things you
Speaker 6: do with the RSP is provide these depth of talent
Speaker 6: rankings where you include the top prospects at each position
Speaker 6: from this year's class and also from the previous two
Speaker 6: classes and sort of stack them all based on your
Speaker 6: assessment of their talent level prior to being drafted. I
Speaker 6: know you only include the three most recent draft classes
Speaker 6: in your depth of talent rankings, but I have to ask,
Speaker 6: if you went back further, would Caleb Williams be in
Speaker 6: the same ballpark as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3: Probably the tough part about that question is this is
Speaker 3: that my quarterback evaluation process has evolved since doing Andrew Luck,
Speaker 3: so it would have been two significantly different ways of
Speaker 3: scoring the players in a sense. But if just from
Speaker 3: ballparking it, you know, the answer would be I think so,
Speaker 3: I think that he would probably be in that range
Speaker 3: because where Andrew If I remember what I remember about
Speaker 3: my evaluation with Andrew Luck, as while he was certainly
Speaker 3: considered a very cerebral quarterback with really strong athletic ability,
Speaker 3: Caleb was a little better in the pocket in terms
Speaker 3: of moving around and he was and Luck also had
Speaker 3: some issues with reading certain types of blitzes like fire
Speaker 3: zone blue it says, and different types of trickery with
Speaker 3: dropping linebackers and dropping defensive linemen that would bite him,
Speaker 3: and he would throw some balls into coverage that kind
Speaker 3: of belied the idea that he was a coach on
Speaker 3: the field already. So yeah, I think he's I'll say this,
Speaker 3: at the very least, he is one of the most
Speaker 3: child proof quarterbacks that we have coming into this class.
Speaker 3: And considering that he's you know, I joke because look,
Speaker 3: I have respect for the way a lot of these
Speaker 3: guys made their money if they've when if they didn't
Speaker 3: inherit it from somebody else. But these owners, these owners
Speaker 3: sometimes can be meddling children in their own teams with
Speaker 3: how they how they circumvent their own processes to determine
Speaker 3: who they're going to pick and then force feed them
Speaker 3: into a scheme where coaches aren't happy with being force
Speaker 3: fed with that player. And I think Caleb Williams is
Speaker 3: one of those players that can withstand the inadequacies of
Speaker 3: NFL life when it comes to the rookie quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: there forced being forced to develop themselves in very demanding circumstances.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: And you know, the the the process too. I like
Speaker 2: the process answer there where you're like, well, look, you know,
Speaker 2: I was looking and Andrew Luck a different way than
Speaker 2: I looked at Caleb Williams. And it's a different NFL
Speaker 2: at this point, even though it's not that long ago
Speaker 2: that Andrew Luck was in the NFL. I think the
Speaker 2: big question, and the thing in mocks that we see
Speaker 2: and the thing in you know a lot of articles
Speaker 2: that right now is what what would you do between
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels and Drake May? And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: if you're Washington, because that's a different question, right it's
Speaker 2: a different system that Washington is bringing in with Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to put Jade and Daniels there because he
Speaker 2: is most similar to Kyler Murray, more similar to at
Speaker 2: least than Drake May is, you know, in at least
Speaker 2: in most people's minds when you look at those two qbs,
Speaker 2: the next two that are going to come off the board,
Speaker 2: and I know JJ McCarthy gets lumped in there sometimes,
Speaker 2: but it's really it's between these two guys in my eyes,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people's, maybe not yours,
Speaker 2: but it seems like those are the two that are
Speaker 2: gonna go. Daniels in May so who are you taking
Speaker 2: right there? And is there a wide difference, is it slim?
Speaker 2: Is it just so different that you really don't compare them?
Speaker 2: What do you think about Daniels versus May.
Speaker 3: For Washington just overall overall, I think there are both
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that need a little bit of time in order
Speaker 3: off away from the field that they're probably not going
Speaker 3: to get and that puts them that makes them risky
Speaker 3: first round picks, much like the sixty seven percent of
Speaker 3: quarterbacks who wind up in that situation on an annual basis.
Speaker 3: Because of what I described about the NFL, Daniels is
Speaker 3: the type of guy who he's getting a lot of
Speaker 3: lamarg and type of comparisons. I think he's more of
Speaker 3: a Robert Griffin Marcus Mariota type of prospect in terms
Speaker 3: of straight line speed, straight line runner needs, has some
Speaker 3: has some skills in the pocket, but also has some
Speaker 3: deficiencies in the pocket that can be a little bit
Speaker 3: that can be corrected a little bit more. The processing
Speaker 3: is a little overrated if you ask me, by some
Speaker 3: people who are saying it's underrated. You know, like rerec
Speaker 3: O Sel, who's a terrific, a terrific analyst and certainly
Speaker 3: a very respected one. I would argue that, yes, Jalen
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels can make three reads. Yes he can read
Speaker 3: from one end of the field to the other. Does
Speaker 3: he do it in as timely of a manner as
Speaker 3: he needs to to get rid of the ball. Does
Speaker 3: he not get hung up on certain reads and have
Speaker 3: tragic comic timing in terms of like missing a read
Speaker 3: just as he goes away from it that he should
Speaker 3: have hung onto because he had more enough time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: those are all issues with his game. And he runs
Speaker 3: into brick walls as a runner more often than he does.
Speaker 3: Work with Mike Got I mean intelligently, you know.
Speaker 2: Robert Griffin, Yeah, I mean Got hit a lot, and
Speaker 2: I see a little bit of that Jane Daniels too.
Speaker 2: He takes some unnecessary hits.
Speaker 1: I can so.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So can you scheme with him like Mariota or Griffin
Speaker 3: where you can create a lot of misdirection plays and
Speaker 3: have him exploited in the deep game? Can he make
Speaker 3: some good reads for you? And certain aspects of zone
Speaker 3: defenses and certain types of man Sure he's going to
Speaker 3: face certain hybrid coverages with better disguises and more gamesmanship
Speaker 3: by NFL defender's pre post snap. This is where I
Speaker 3: think he's going to need a little bit more time,
Speaker 3: and then trying to integrate all that together into his
Speaker 3: game maybe prove a little more difficult. And the big
Speaker 3: question is is once NFL defenses started to figure out that, Okay,
Speaker 3: we know what scheme plays are coming, Cliff Kingsbury and
Speaker 3: all the different variations of disguises you have for the
Speaker 3: same point, we're going to stop it. Make you do
Speaker 3: some real quarterback things that differentiate Joe Burrow from you know,
Speaker 3: Joe Schmo. Then you're you know, this is where Jayden
Speaker 3: Daniels is going to be really tested. Drake May he
Speaker 3: looks like the quarterback out of Central Casting. I call
Speaker 3: him robo quarterbacks. They're the guys who that NFL decision
Speaker 3: makers can justify their jobs on because they're big, they're tall,
Speaker 3: they have a strong arm, they played it a big
Speaker 3: time program with a good completion percentage, they have good
Speaker 3: production numbers, and they've won games. So they think those
Speaker 3: are things you can't teach. Those are the intangibles that
Speaker 3: you can't teach. But really what those are are really
Speaker 3: baseline in some ways, baseline characteristics of players. The things
Speaker 3: you can't teach are processing speed, strong decision making, acumen,
Speaker 3: pocket management, game management. You can teach him to an extent,
Speaker 3: but not to the to the level of complexity that
Speaker 3: they should already know heading in, and if they're lacking
Speaker 3: it heading in, it's harder to integrate those things into
Speaker 3: the NFL game if you don't have good timing. Now,
Speaker 3: if you you know, Alex Smith was super intelligent and
Speaker 3: had all those things, but he didn't have good timing,
Speaker 3: and it only could carry him so far. He needed
Speaker 3: a really strong team around him to deliver borderline Pro
Speaker 3: Bowl level numbers. But he was always going to be
Speaker 3: a beat or too late on throws when he wasn't
Speaker 3: checking them down. So you know, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: you know, you look at May and he can be
Speaker 3: a beater too late in the pocket, he drifts outside
Speaker 3: pressure and he or drifts outside his blockers and invites pressure.
Speaker 3: You don't want to invite pressure. You want to be
Speaker 3: efficient with your movement. He's tough, they'll stand in there
Speaker 3: and take a hit. But the inaccuracy is the mechanical
Speaker 3: flaws behind the inaccuracies, the drifting in the pocket, the
Speaker 3: decision making flaws. He's a player that I can see
Speaker 3: becoming a starter because he's top, he's big arm, he
Speaker 3: can make some accurate plays downfield, and he does the
Speaker 3: things that you're supposed to do that people celebrate as great.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of quarter name quarterbacks who have
Speaker 3: been in Drake May's boat, and half of them aren't
Speaker 3: playing as starters in the league now, and I would
Speaker 3: say less than half of them are actual good starters.
Speaker 4: In the league.
Speaker 1: So we're down on Drake May.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would say we're down on Drake May. And
Speaker 3: the answer is is that we're down on the NFL's
Speaker 3: We're down on the NFL's way of handling rookies, and
Speaker 3: Drake May fits into that dead center target of like
Speaker 3: this is how they screw it up.
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Speaker 2: Fits you what he got next?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And just to Matt's point, like the on the
Speaker 6: job training that quarterbacks have it thrust them into such
Speaker 6: a bad spot. And someone asked me why teams more
Speaker 6: teams don't follow the Green Bay Packers model of letting
Speaker 6: quarterbacks sit for like two years, while well, I mean,
Speaker 6: those were pretty unique circumstances with the Hall of Fame
Speaker 6: quarterback in place, and the luxury of taking a first
Speaker 6: round pick years before you were going to need them.
Speaker 6: Like most of the time, a quarterback expected to play
Speaker 6: right away is being drafted to a three and fourteen,
Speaker 6: four and thirteen team and the fans are going to
Speaker 6: be showing up at team headquarters with torches and pitchforks
Speaker 6: if those guys don't play right away.
Speaker 2: And a bigger thing I think as well, is that
Speaker 2: I don't I just don't know if there are thirty
Speaker 2: two caliber NFL quarterbacks right now, like and maybe there are,
Speaker 2: but you know, there's there's some bad QB play, you know,
Speaker 2: as bad as Drake May's processing is he's probably still
Speaker 2: better Jarrett than Jared Stidham if you throw it out,
Speaker 2: throw him out there right now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like Stidham has Stidham's may be a bad example. He
Speaker 2: hasn't had a lot of playing time. But guys that
Speaker 2: we've seen over and over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and they can't do it, you know, Jameis Winston,
Speaker 2: you know, a great athlete can put up some some numbers.
Speaker 2: But you know that that's why these guys are thrust
Speaker 2: into these roles, and guys coaches lose their jobs faster now,
Speaker 2: so they want to get to the talent more uh
Speaker 2: more quickly. So anyway, go ahead, Fitzy, what's your next
Speaker 2: question for Waldman here?
Speaker 6: So one of the big stories on Night one of
Speaker 6: the draft is going to be JJ McCarthy, who has
Speaker 6: had this sort of meteoric rise I think in just
Speaker 6: his draft status, and it seems like it's inevitable that
Speaker 6: one team or another is maybe going to try to
Speaker 6: maneuver up to get him. Maybe it's the Cardinals number
Speaker 6: four spot being in play, Maybe it's the Chargers at
Speaker 6: number five. In your estimation, Matt is JJ McCarthy worth trading.
Speaker 3: Up for no but I think he's worth developed. Giving
Speaker 3: the opportunity to develop into a starter. I just think
Speaker 3: you're going to be paying a little bit more than
Speaker 3: what it's worth, you know. I would say the big
Speaker 3: theme of all this is that again we rush players
Speaker 3: that we shouldn't. We should probably have. Maybe there aren't
Speaker 3: thirty three starters, you know, thirty two caliber thirty two
Speaker 3: starter caliber players in the league, but there would be
Speaker 3: more if they allowed them to develop in a way
Speaker 3: that they should and really they should resist some of
Speaker 3: the team pressure, and it's really the owner pressure. If
Speaker 3: the owner actually had the If the owner has actually
Speaker 3: had the how would I best put it the fortitude
Speaker 3: that their money would represent to think that they did
Speaker 3: and it wasn't just like you know, expensive looking robes
Speaker 3: hiding what's really exposing down there. We would have probably
Speaker 3: better football, but they're more worried about things that they
Speaker 3: shouldn't be. I mean, so as a result of that,
Speaker 3: you look at McCarthy. He could develop, but I think
Speaker 3: he's a difficult evaluation because really the end of the day,
Speaker 3: his vertical game isn't proven in terms of the accuracy
Speaker 3: that he hasn't really shown yet. His processing skills are
Speaker 3: up and down. He has real highs, but he also
Speaker 3: has some real lows. Some management position management decisions in
Speaker 3: the red zone and deep in his own territory also
Speaker 3: have real lows to it. So in some aspects, when
Speaker 3: people say is he's Zach Wilson two point zero, I
Speaker 3: would say he's a better version of what Zach Wilson
Speaker 3: brought to the league in terms of the rise and
Speaker 3: the hype about him, there's more substance to his game
Speaker 3: is that he could probably survive a bad first year
Speaker 3: if thrust into a starting lineup, and if they can
Speaker 3: help him build on it in a functional way, he
Speaker 3: could develop into a decent starter. But there's a lot
Speaker 3: of high low with his game at this stage. And
Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, teams are desperate to
Speaker 3: do it, and I think it's owner driven, it's not
Speaker 3: coach driven. Coaches don't like playing rookie quarterbacks. It's a
Speaker 3: waste of a year for them most of the time.
Speaker 3: So no, I don't think it's necessarily worth it. But
Speaker 3: it's how the world, it's how it works.
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't trade up for him, You would pick
Speaker 2: him in the middle of the first or late first Yep.
Speaker 3: If if I had to, yeah, I would probably pick
Speaker 3: him in the second or third, and most of these quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: I'd pick him the second or third. But that again
Speaker 3: the realism of the NFL, Yes, mid to late perst.
Speaker 2: What about Michael Pennix versus bon Nicks, Because there's there
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of different opinions.
Speaker 1: I'll say I kind of like them both.
Speaker 2: Like I like, I watched Michael Penix tear up my longhorns, right,
Speaker 2: and he made some throws in that game that were unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was good coverage on his wide receivers downfield,
Speaker 2: he put it in the only spot they can catch it. So,
Speaker 2: I mean that is what I came away with from
Speaker 2: watching Michael Pennix. I watched him a lot at Indiana.
Speaker 2: He was hurt, you know. I think at this point
Speaker 2: last season FITS asked me, do you what do you
Speaker 2: think of Michael Penox?
Speaker 1: I went not gonna stay on the field.
Speaker 2: That was my like first thought process because first couple
Speaker 2: of years in Indiana was never on the field, right.
Speaker 2: So bo Nicks obviously had the struggles early at Auburn,
Speaker 2: but he went to Oregon, he looked great. There a
Speaker 2: lot of people now calling him a system quarterback maybe right,
Speaker 2: but he won in that system, so fine, you know,
Speaker 2: fittest system to him, he looked pretty good. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I think that both these guys by evaluators
Speaker 2: are coming off a little bit underrated, Am I right?
Speaker 2: Or is there one you like when you don't like?
Speaker 2: Do you like them both? Do you not like either
Speaker 2: one of them? What do you think about these two
Speaker 2: guys who are going to be the next two qbs
Speaker 2: off the board after those first four?
Speaker 3: Well, I would say all the quarterbacks in this class
Speaker 3: are system quarterbacks. Yeah, I would say they all are.
Speaker 3: The problem is is what bias are you putting on
Speaker 3: what system? Because really, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: even if you I mean Lamar Jackson played in one
Speaker 3: of the best pro offenses that has been signed by
Speaker 3: Bobby Petrino, But everybody discounted him.
Speaker 4: They didn't.
Speaker 3: They said he was a system quarterback and not even
Speaker 3: really a quarterback. You know that, you know, so much
Speaker 3: so that the Ravens implemented a system with him that
Speaker 3: he had to prove to them that he was far
Speaker 3: more advanced than that finally that you know in the
Speaker 3: past couple of years. So really, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, both those guys are underrated. Bo Nix is
Speaker 3: probably the safest quarterback in this class after Kleb Williams,
Speaker 3: in terms of that he understands who he is. He
Speaker 3: doesn't try and play hero ball. When he does take risks,
Speaker 3: he takes calculated risks that have logic behind them. He's
Speaker 3: not very immature when it comes to making bad choices,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he doesn't make bad choices very often.
Speaker 3: He moves well in the pocket. He's a better athlete
Speaker 3: than you'd expect. He's much more of a Matt Ryan
Speaker 3: kirk Cousins type of prospect in terms of that. He
Speaker 3: doesn't have that special arm or that special size, but
Speaker 3: he really processes the field pretty well. And Auburns receivers
Speaker 3: didn't many favors when I watched that tape. And he
Speaker 3: throws more in the middle of the field. You know,
Speaker 3: people want people want mounds of data so that they
Speaker 3: can say he's not a system prospect because I didn't
Speaker 3: see you know, he throws mostly RPO, the high percentage
Speaker 3: of RPO throws. Because see, people like to use basically
Speaker 3: word jumble, just like they do in corporate America to
Speaker 3: provide analysis to sound slick. They do that with stats,
Speaker 3: you know. They do it with stats. They don't understand
Speaker 3: the context behind their stats, or they like hide behind
Speaker 3: some of the things with their stats.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: And some stats are great, some data is awesome. I
Speaker 3: use a lot of it. The RSP is an analytical document.
Speaker 3: But the thing is is that quarterback throws. Whether you
Speaker 3: have a high amount for a high when you say
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of throws in the middle of
Speaker 3: the field, it's still not very much when you look
Speaker 3: at the course of a college career. So really, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, whether it's a higher sample
Speaker 3: than average or lower sample than average, if you see
Speaker 3: the right kinds of plays in context, bo Nicks can
Speaker 3: throw the ball in the middle of the field. The
Speaker 3: same is true of Michael Pennix. And when you watch
Speaker 3: him in Indiana when he was on the field, he
Speaker 3: wore pressure like a second skin and didn't actually make
Speaker 3: a lot of mistakes doing it. He made a lot
Speaker 3: of wise decisions with a lot of his throws, and
Speaker 3: some of his throws had really incredible placement under duress,
Speaker 3: which to me, since injuries are not a predictive stat
Speaker 3: even though people often try to sell them as such,
Speaker 3: they are not really that predictive on a regular basis,
Speaker 3: so you know, and where they may heighten it is
Speaker 3: a marginal percentage. So is the fact that he tore
Speaker 3: tow to acls and had throwing injuries gonna is that
Speaker 3: going to happen again? Not enough for us to really
Speaker 3: sell that. It's medicine show stuff. If you ask me,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry, you know, I mean, but that's
Speaker 3: that's how I feel. And so you know, when we
Speaker 3: look at it from that perspective, that shouldn't be as
Speaker 3: big of a fear. He's a tough player in the pocket,
Speaker 3: moves well, finds players in the middle of the field, well,
Speaker 3: processes the game well. To me, the safest quarterback in
Speaker 3: this class, or the most talent quarterback in this class
Speaker 3: after Caleb Williams is Michael Pennix Junior, and he's the
Speaker 3: one that if the Vikings weren't didn't get Sam Darnold,
Speaker 3: which signaled that they are Drake may aholics. You know,
Speaker 3: I would bet you know, and they're not. They're going
Speaker 3: to trade up to get Drake May. I would have
Speaker 3: rather seen them wait and at the end of the
Speaker 3: first round get Michael Pennix, because I fear the way
Speaker 3: what we've seen with May, we're going to see Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson getting his way out, you know, getting his way
Speaker 3: traded out of Minnesota, or be a free agent and
Speaker 3: leaving and being Thank goodness, I'm playing with Michael Pennix
Speaker 3: with the team that picked him, you know, later on,
Speaker 3: because I wanted the Vikings to pick Michael Pennix earlier,
Speaker 3: but I got stuck with Sam Donald's with the next
Speaker 3: coming of Sam Donald. You know, that's the fear of
Speaker 3: how this could work out. I hope May works out,
Speaker 3: and I hope Sam Donald works out, you know, eventually.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, Pennix is a
Speaker 3: better bet to me in terms of how he handles
Speaker 3: everything and the whole system stuff to me just tells
Speaker 3: me that you're that you're relying on past. They're not
Speaker 3: even models. You're relying on past narratives that have no
Speaker 3: basis in reality. They just kind of somewhat look coincidental enough,
Speaker 3: or they're coincidental, but they look good enough to make
Speaker 3: it sound intelligent.
Speaker 2: I mean people said that about Joe Burrow because he
Speaker 2: had good wide receivers, Like, uh, you know.
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes gimmick offense, you.
Speaker 2: Get, you get that all the time. The same thing
Speaker 2: with Kyler, Right, Kyler's too short. You know he's not
Speaker 2: gonna last in the NFL. Blah blah blah. Is there
Speaker 2: a perfect landing spot for Nicks? Is there a team
Speaker 2: you want to see him go too?
Speaker 4: Specifically, I'd like to see him in Denver.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe he would wouldn't be bad there,
Speaker 3: but honestly, I just want to there's really the I
Speaker 3: just want to see a landing spot where he has
Speaker 3: a decent offensive line and he gets an opportunity to
Speaker 3: be with a veteran quarterback who knows his stuff, and
Speaker 3: maybe he gets a little time to sit. But I
Speaker 3: don't think he needs as much of it as maybe
Speaker 3: or his needs as much of care as maybe Daniels
Speaker 3: and May and McCarthy do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't have as high of a ceiling as
Speaker 4: those guys.
Speaker 2: Well, and if he goes to I don't know if
Speaker 2: he'll have that time either. Right, Like, Denver is a
Speaker 2: good landing spot, but they don't have a guy that
Speaker 2: will hold him back. I know Pat's got a running
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Speaker 2: let's hear them.
Speaker 6: At the top of people's rankings are Jonathan Brooks, Trey Benson, Korum,
Speaker 6: Jalen Wright, Braylan Allen. Who is your running back one
Speaker 6: this year? And did any of the names I just mentioned,
Speaker 6: or maybe any of those guys in your mind? Guys
Speaker 6: who don't belong anywhere near the top five?
Speaker 3: I think really running back too through about running back
Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen is an amorphous blob. And that's not
Speaker 3: fun to say as an evaluator, because really what that
Speaker 3: tells you is that fit is going to be a
Speaker 3: huge factor once again, but even more so in the
Speaker 3: sense that where the player lands and whether he improves
Speaker 3: on one or two things that are easily improvable are
Speaker 3: going to drive whether or not he has more or
Speaker 3: less success than another eight to ten guys. It's that close.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a bad running back class, actually,
Speaker 3: I just think that people don't look at the name,
Speaker 3: don't look at the classes historically and realize that difference
Speaker 3: between what the perception of a good and bad running
Speaker 3: back class is plus or minus one running back, which
Speaker 3: means three backs is a good class, two backs is
Speaker 3: an average class, and one back is a bad class.
Speaker 3: It's a narrow margin for error, folks. And so you know,
Speaker 3: from that perspective, number one back in this class to
Speaker 3: me would have been the number two back in last
Speaker 3: year's class, ahead of j Jamiir Gibbs. If I'm looking
Speaker 3: strictly from pre draft, not where they land, but pre draft,
Speaker 3: just on ability, I think Jonathan Brooks was a better
Speaker 3: running back prospect than Jamiir Gibbs, who I liked a
Speaker 3: lot and saw as an instant start, close to an
Speaker 3: instant starter, of not an instant starter. But Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 3: has an ACL injury, and so we're gonna wait and
Speaker 3: see whether he regains full facility with his ability to stop, start,
Speaker 3: to celerate, change direction in a manner that made him
Speaker 3: a very good player. So you know, his ability to
Speaker 3: make people will miss efficiently, his ability to break tackles.
Speaker 3: He's a very powerful runner because he knows how to attack.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's not like Earl Campbell, okay, but
Speaker 3: at the same time, he is someone that can attack
Speaker 3: first and break multiple tackles because of how he sets
Speaker 3: up angles. I'm very smart runner with great pass protection
Speaker 3: ability for this level of play. He's the best pass
Speaker 3: protector in this class. Kind of reminds me of Cadillac
Speaker 3: Williams mixed with like what people thought Melvin Gordon was
Speaker 3: going to be, not exactly what he is, like a smoother,
Speaker 3: faster type of all around player. And yeah, I think
Speaker 3: he's I think he's worth the weight and all the
Speaker 3: other names that you mentioned. You mentioned some of my
Speaker 3: second and third ranked players. I think my second, third,
Speaker 3: and fourth ranked players. And then you mentioned a couple
Speaker 3: of players who are probably outside my top ten but
Speaker 3: wouldn't be very but if they, you know, Bryan Allen
Speaker 3: finds the right system, finds himself in Jim Harbaugh's offense,
Speaker 3: and they give him the gap runways to hit it downfield,
Speaker 3: he could easily be one of the three most productive
Speaker 3: running backs in this class.
Speaker 2: I like the way you put that with it's because
Speaker 2: it's kind of a blob of two to twelve because
Speaker 2: I kind of saw a lot of that the same way.
Speaker 2: I think I broke maybe five, you know, and then
Speaker 2: the next group. But I do think there are a
Speaker 2: lot of good running backs here, and I'm surprised that
Speaker 2: Fitz hasn't kicked you off the show for throwing shade
Speaker 2: at Braylan Allen and Melvin Gordon. He did say Jonathan
Speaker 2: Brooks his favorite running back, So look, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what Pat says, You're staying on the show, man. I mean,
Speaker 2: when the right evaluation is in front of us, it's
Speaker 2: in front of us. But are there what teams, Matt,
Speaker 2: do you want to see ad running backs? And are
Speaker 2: there any perfect pairing suite for running back to a
Speaker 2: team you just mentioned, you know, Brailan Allen to the Chargers,
Speaker 2: That could be anybody the Chargers. You know, Blake Korham
Speaker 2: could go there obviously familiarity with with Jim Harbaugh. But
Speaker 2: is there are there perfect pairings and is there someone
Speaker 2: that maybe we're not talking about enough at all?
Speaker 4: There's no real perfect pairing this year.
Speaker 3: But I do think that the obviously the Chargers are
Speaker 3: a good are a team that's gonna need a running back,
Speaker 3: I think, and are a good fit for a number
Speaker 3: of guys. I think that, you know, overall, the the
Speaker 3: Giants could probably use a running back, but I don't
Speaker 3: think they should spend early round capital on that right now,
Speaker 3: have too many got other things to have concern with.
Speaker 3: I do think that the Bills could use a complimentary
Speaker 3: back who can be a little bit more of a
Speaker 3: banger and physical option so that James Cook doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be that guy. The Dolphins could use a running
Speaker 3: back if they I'll put it to you this way,
Speaker 3: the Dolphins should add another running back to their stable
Speaker 3: because Jeff Wilson and Raheem Moster aren't going to be
Speaker 3: for their long term. And while everyone's excited about ah Chan,
Speaker 3: let's see if he can actually hold up long term
Speaker 3: and be between the tackles guy who is scheme independent,
Speaker 3: and also add another guy so that they can I
Speaker 3: can they can prove beyond a shadow of adopt that
Speaker 3: Christopher Brooks could actually be a be the thing that
Speaker 3: I think he can be. I actually think he's underrated.
Speaker 3: But but the Dolphins certainly fit that mold. I would
Speaker 3: say the certainly. The Bengals would probably be a guy
Speaker 3: a team that that could benefit again from getting another back,
Speaker 3: And the same thing with the Buccaneers. I mean, I
Speaker 3: like Rashad White, but let's let's get a little bit
Speaker 3: more depth in there and and drive some things from
Speaker 3: that level. And the and the Cardinals are getting a
Speaker 3: little bit long in the Yeah, you know so, so
Speaker 3: there's that, And the same thing with the Vikings. I mean,
Speaker 3: you got you brought in Aaron Jones, but you know
Speaker 3: that tells you that they don't think ty Chandler is
Speaker 3: anything more than a compliment.
Speaker 4: So let's start looking towards the cure there too.
Speaker 1: I like ty Chanel.
Speaker 2: Obviously the Cowboys are in here too, right, like they
Speaker 2: have a big need a RB.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think they obviously could could go
Speaker 3: for one there. I think that, you know, really they're
Speaker 3: the obvious fit that you can fit a big, a
Speaker 3: big name player with that. But I think that really
Speaker 3: their offense is good enough that they could subsist with
Speaker 3: the running backs they have if they needed to.
Speaker 4: So it would be nice.
Speaker 3: To add one in there. But it's not like they're dying.
Speaker 3: Their offense is dying without a running back.
Speaker 2: Let's go to some wide receivers and fits. I know
Speaker 2: you have a question for the top guys here, for
Speaker 2: mister Walman.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I think everyone perceives a big three at
Speaker 6: wide receiver with Marvin Harrison Junior, Malik Neighbors, and Roma Dunes.
Speaker 6: Could you please tell our listeners how you have these
Speaker 6: three receivers ordered and why sure?
Speaker 3: Like you know, for me, rankings suck. It's just something
Speaker 3: that we want them. And I emphasize that four different
Speaker 3: times in the RSP. Tiers are really where they're at.
Speaker 3: Tiers are the more sophisticated way of looking at things.
Speaker 3: But on site presidents want to have rankings because it
Speaker 3: drives eyeballs, you know, So you know, good for them,
Speaker 3: you know. But I'll put it this way. They're all
Speaker 3: Tier one. They're all instant starters. They're all guys that
Speaker 3: could probably be production leaders for their offense right away
Speaker 3: if they're in a comp with an offense with good
Speaker 3: surrounding talent done all right. Number one is Malik Neighbors
Speaker 3: Because the way I study wide receivers, I'm not looking
Speaker 3: for a specific team fit. I'm looking for who is
Speaker 3: the most talented player at all the things that a
Speaker 3: wide receiver can do. If you put a job, you know,
Speaker 3: description up for what a wide receiver is, and he's
Speaker 3: the one that has the best combo of route skills,
Speaker 3: the best combo of releases, the best breaks, the best
Speaker 3: ability to catch the ball in tight coverage and the
Speaker 3: best ability to win after the catch, and his blocking
Speaker 3: is competent, and you know, and you can play all
Speaker 3: three positions that you would expect a wide receiver to do.
Speaker 3: Romadonday's number two because he also has very strong route skills.
Speaker 3: He could play all three positions if you needed him to.
Speaker 3: He also has the ability to make difficult catches, and
Speaker 3: he's probably the best after the catch of the three
Speaker 3: of them if you were to combine physicality with dynamic
Speaker 3: movement skills. And then Marvin Harrison Junior comes in third,
Speaker 3: mainly because he's either a guy you'd play big in
Speaker 3: the slot or as a split end. He has great
Speaker 3: skill at tracking the football in tight coverage at the boundary.
Speaker 4: He has.
Speaker 3: Good route running, skill at telling a story, some decent
Speaker 3: skills with releases, but he has some nagging issues where
Speaker 3: he tips off his hand at the line of scrimmage
Speaker 3: when releasing that don't get caught by top prospects most
Speaker 3: of the time playing cornerback who would have faced him,
Speaker 3: but by savvy mid level NFL prospects or mid level
Speaker 3: NFL starters at cornerback who will jam his behind when
Speaker 3: he opens his chest at the line of scrimmage, and
Speaker 3: that he has his hands in a position where he
Speaker 3: brings them down first and opens his chest and does
Speaker 3: the hey, bro, you want to fight out in the
Speaker 3: middle of the bar where the savvier guy's gonna knock
Speaker 3: him on his behind, rather than doing the south Park
Speaker 3: invitation that he sometimes does. You know, he's going to
Speaker 3: have to correct that. It's easily correctable, but it's a
Speaker 3: minor thing between being maleik neighbors and getting that score
Speaker 3: in him. Also, when it comes to catching the ball,
Speaker 3: he has some issues where he doesn't frame his hands
Speaker 3: correctly like Quenton Johnston. Where Quentin Johnson clap attacks. What
Speaker 3: his issue was a little different is that when the
Speaker 3: ball arrives, where he could catch it at the earliest
Speaker 3: point and extend his arms to earliest point and make
Speaker 3: the catch with his hands together with that you know
Speaker 3: diamond catch thumbs together, where you're doing it like that. Instead,
Speaker 3: he waits for the ball to pass him to the
Speaker 3: latest point where only has one chance to catch it,
Speaker 3: and he has to use underhand position in a scenario
Speaker 3: where you should use to over in front. And he's
Speaker 3: dropped multiple passes doing this last year and this year
Speaker 3: in big games against Georgia, against Penn State, against Michigan,
Speaker 3: against other teams that I've seen, where he just isn't
Speaker 3: as reliable in some of these scenarios that you'd like. Now,
Speaker 3: when I say isn't as reliable, I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: the difference between a starter and a non starter. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about the difference between what Courtland Sutton does, which
Speaker 3: is a feed me the ball, Denver. But I'm going
Speaker 3: to drop two or three passes sometimes in a game
Speaker 3: when you ask me to do it, but still be
Speaker 3: considered a wide receiver one in his offense and deservedly
Speaker 3: slow so and Stefan Diggs at the height of his career,
Speaker 3: Davonte Adams where you're not going to get that you know,
Speaker 3: out of him most of the time. And so for me,
Speaker 3: whereas Malik Neighbors is more of an Odell Beckham junior
Speaker 3: at the height of his career prospect, I see Malik
Speaker 3: Neighbors as more of a Mike Evans plus you know,
Speaker 3: aspiring Larry Fitzgerald who may never get to Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: Some good names to be compared to.
Speaker 3: So they are, but it's not. Yeah, they're good names,
Speaker 3: but they're not.
Speaker 4: But they're not. Is he the best prospect of this.
Speaker 3: Generation a general, you know, at wide receiver, I would
Speaker 3: say no, But he's very good.
Speaker 4: He's one of the best.
Speaker 3: He's still got one of the better scores I've given
Speaker 3: in probably the past eight to ten years. There just
Speaker 3: happens to be two other guys who got higher scores
Speaker 3: in this great class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this class is deep. It is very,
Speaker 2: very good. I don't know that there's a wrong answer
Speaker 2: between those top three guys, they're all great. Like you said,
Speaker 2: tiering is the way to go. Speaking of that, the
Speaker 2: second tier, it has so many names in it because
Speaker 2: there are so many goods. And I know in the
Speaker 2: RSP you did mention that this is a historically deep class.
Speaker 2: And so who is in that second tier for you?
Speaker 2: And who's overrated? Who is also? So give me, give
Speaker 2: me the good side and the bad side of this.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's not even necessarily that these players that
Speaker 2: you're mentioning that are overrated, they're not bad players. It's
Speaker 2: just people are putting too much on them right now.
Speaker 2: So who are the guys that you like to be
Speaker 2: in that second tier? And who is getting too much
Speaker 2: second tier love.
Speaker 3: Well, let's go let's go a tier down, because the
Speaker 3: second tier in this class would be the first tier
Speaker 3: any other class. Okay, so let's go third tier guys
Speaker 3: who are still getting love that I think need a
Speaker 3: little more time to be better. Davontees Walker makes no
Speaker 3: sense to me as seeing him as a really high
Speaker 3: end instant starter player. He's more of a djharc Ant,
Speaker 3: more of a DJ Shark type of aspiring player who
Speaker 3: has a one dimensional game at this stage, who has
Speaker 3: a lot of details missing. The physical talents there, but
Speaker 3: is he going to be able to hold up against
Speaker 3: titman coverage and win separation as well as winning the ball?
Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of questions and marks
Speaker 3: there that he's going to have to develop to answer
Speaker 3: on a consistent level that he can and become a
Speaker 3: full fledged starter. Roman Wilson is another one that I
Speaker 3: just don't really get on that level. I see the
Speaker 3: basic skills are there to build on, but the craft
Speaker 3: of his game is missing. You know, when to how
Speaker 3: to set up defenders based on where they're positioned.
Speaker 4: That can be missing.
Speaker 3: He makes some inexplicable decisions to try and bait defenders
Speaker 3: where you're like, why are you trying to bait them
Speaker 3: in this situation where he's positioned here, you're just feeding
Speaker 3: into his position or you know, he has the movement
Speaker 3: skills to set up defenders with releases, but he doesn't
Speaker 3: have the craft and how to do it. It's like
Speaker 3: someone who speaks in monotone when they're telling a story.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like hearing those jewelry commercial guys on
Speaker 3: the radio where you automatically tune them out for years.
Speaker 4: That's how he runs routes right now.
Speaker 2: Es.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the Tom Shane of you know, he's the
Speaker 3: Tom Shane of Route riders right now. You know, if
Speaker 3: you remember Tom Shane Jeweler, I'm Tom Shane.
Speaker 4: I only speak in one tone, yes, you know.
Speaker 3: But that's kind of how Roman Wilson is right now.
Speaker 3: And he's got the talent to develop. But if you're
Speaker 3: going to say he's the next Tyler Lockett, he's got
Speaker 3: to learn how to be a better version of John
Speaker 3: Metchi right now before we can even get to Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 3: So I think he's those guys are a little bit overrated.
Speaker 3: I think Malachi Corley's a little overrated for all the
Speaker 3: excitement that he's getting, because I think he's more of
Speaker 3: a quarter Roll Patterson Cordero Patterson type of guy who's
Speaker 3: more of a gadget player right now, who doesn't win
Speaker 3: against sophisticated one on one coverage. He's more of a
Speaker 3: zone player who can catch the ball well, who is
Speaker 3: a terror as a runner, But what are you going
Speaker 3: to get out of him? He's dj Moore was a
Speaker 3: route runner at least when he got into the league,
Speaker 3: and then developed even more from there to become a
Speaker 3: boundary winning route runner who could win contested plays. So
Speaker 3: for me, he's much more of a quarter Cordero Patterson,
Speaker 3: maybe even in our Darius Stewart if things don't go right,
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of what our Darius Stewart had
Speaker 3: to offer too, because he could run through you and
Speaker 3: run past you, and he could catch the ball, but
Speaker 3: he couldn't beat man coverage and that was an issue.
Speaker 4: So those are those are a.
Speaker 3: Few guys that hit the hit. The mark for me
Speaker 3: is let's let's slow our role a little bit, give
Speaker 3: him some time.
Speaker 1: Who's underrated in the group.
Speaker 3: Annia Smith easily, and it's because he's a Yeah, I
Speaker 3: know you don't like that guy because he probably riddled
Speaker 3: your team for years, at least on some level.
Speaker 2: We don't play against him, but we will this year
Speaker 2: because we're in the Texas.
Speaker 3: We'll see he would have riddled your team, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Because Anaia Smith is a was a running back prospect
Speaker 3: and a pretty good one who showed that he was
Speaker 3: more in that DeAndre Swift role of like, don't put
Speaker 3: him inside unless you've got plays that are simulating space.
Speaker 3: But he's but he could be a good running back otherwise.
Speaker 3: But let's kick him out to receiver because we already
Speaker 3: have a guy in Spiller that we think are is okay,
Speaker 3: you know, and could be pretty good there.
Speaker 4: So they kicked him out.
Speaker 3: And when you look him, look at him a wide receiver,
Speaker 3: you go, why wasn't this guy recruited as a wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: He runs routes very well.
Speaker 3: He can tell the stories that you need to tell,
Speaker 3: you know, in the way that Roman Wilson cannot at
Speaker 3: this stage. And as a pass catcher, he makes very
Speaker 3: few mistakes, and he makes a lot of dynamic plays
Speaker 3: against coverage, against hits, and just Erase is bad throws
Speaker 3: you know, with the with the plays that he makes
Speaker 3: and then after the catch, he might be one of
Speaker 3: the two the three best runners after the catch in
Speaker 3: this class. I mean, he's up there with Corley, He's
Speaker 3: up there with Malik Washington, who's another one that I
Speaker 3: really think is underrated, you know, and you saw him
Speaker 3: up there at Northwestern pat so you know before he
Speaker 3: went to UVA, and he's a you know, he's not
Speaker 3: Steve Smith Junior, no one is, but he is certainly
Speaker 3: he could be a Santana Moss, you know, aspirational Santana
Speaker 3: Moss maybe, who was a very underrated player who can
Speaker 3: go up and win the ball, who can play big
Speaker 3: at it for his size at the catch point, very
Speaker 3: good after the catch, better route runner than people would expect,
Speaker 3: and could be could start for a team if he
Speaker 3: finds the right fit and be and maybe even do
Speaker 3: a little bit of work on the outside as you
Speaker 3: need him. Those are two guys that fit the bill
Speaker 3: for me. And to give you a third that you
Speaker 3: know that I probably like. I mean, I think that
Speaker 3: I'm a Ricky Piersall fan. I'm a Keon Coleman fan.
Speaker 3: But I'll let me go with Jermaine Burton, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with guys who get in trouble. You know,
Speaker 3: we got an a Smith who got in trouble. We
Speaker 3: got Jermaine Burton, who's got some off field stuff that
Speaker 3: people worry about.
Speaker 1: Walton's a big Rice fan apparently.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: No, not really, not really much trouble, but too much.
Speaker 3: No. No, I like guys who I like, guys who actually, okay,
Speaker 3: I don't even want to make that check, but.
Speaker 4: I won't say that. Yeah, I'll just say this.
Speaker 3: The guys I like generally get in fights, tend to
Speaker 3: get in fights. Steve Smith, Yeah, I liked. I was
Speaker 3: a Steve Smith guy. I was a Michael Westbrook guy.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to punch out a running back,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, you're going to wrestle Torrell Suggs in
Speaker 3: the locker room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm okay with that. But Jermaine Brooks is kind
Speaker 4: of a.
Speaker 3: The the quiet assassin in this class because he can
Speaker 3: run routes very well. He could play all three positions
Speaker 3: very well. He's a Robert Woods type of player who
Speaker 3: if you needed him, its split in. He can make
Speaker 3: contested plays, but it's not probably the strongest suit of
Speaker 3: his game, but good enough that he could do the job.
Speaker 3: He's a but he's very good as a flanker, slot option.
Speaker 3: So to me, I look at him sound pass catcher,
Speaker 3: good ball carrier, can block as a nasty streak on
Speaker 3: the field too, So I'm I'm good with him if
Speaker 3: the off field stuff clears out. Same thing with Ania
Speaker 3: Smith is that in ACL and he got busted for
Speaker 3: a DWY that included in the illegal firearm possession and
Speaker 3: marijuana possession. The marijuana, the firearms not a big deal
Speaker 3: because we know that the NFL basically tells every telegraphs
Speaker 3: they're testing until you show that you fail, and then
Speaker 3: they're like, we're going to make it unpredictable because.
Speaker 4: That you're off.
Speaker 3: I think they do, but I don't. I think they do,
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I remember, but it wasn't a
Speaker 3: big it's not a big gilt return. And then the
Speaker 3: firearm thing, I mean it was Texas. If you don't
Speaker 3: that's a maturity thing. You should have just gotten a license,
Speaker 3: you know, a licensed to carry. You would have been fine.
Speaker 3: The DW I was the big thing. And if he
Speaker 3: can shoot show that he's grown up and learned and
Speaker 3: reflected from that. Let's give him another chance. I know,
Speaker 3: I've hired people who were fantastic employees, fantastic human beings
Speaker 3: who got d w i's who in their in their
Speaker 3: college years. They got one in their college years and
Speaker 3: turned out to be completely awesome human beings who learn
Speaker 3: from their mistake.
Speaker 4: And they and they have and they had to look
Speaker 4: in the mirror every day from that.
Speaker 3: And fortunately he didn't hurt anybody, you know, So he didn't,
Speaker 3: you know, but you know, it's that kind of thing. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, if he probably won't get drafted as a
Speaker 3: result of some of this, but he'll probably make noise
Speaker 3: in the camp if he gets an opportunity.
Speaker 2: I know, there's there's plenty of guys that make those
Speaker 2: mistakes and learned. Dak got a duy in college, you know,
Speaker 2: and just couldn't be a better citizen according to most
Speaker 2: reports right now. So you know, uh, plenty of guys
Speaker 2: make mistakes and learn. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: I know Bogman has one more tight end question or
Speaker 6: a tight end question for you, Matt, but let me
Speaker 6: sneak in one more quick wide receiver question.
Speaker 5: This one is really draft specific So we know.
Speaker 6: The bill now have a screaming need for wide receiver
Speaker 6: after the Stefan Diggs trade. They've got a couple of
Speaker 6: guys who primarily slot guys or can play the slot
Speaker 6: with Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel who they signed in
Speaker 6: free agency. But they're sitting there at the end of
Speaker 6: the first round. And like, I wouldn't put it past
Speaker 6: Brandon Bean to maybe go up and get Brian Thomas
Speaker 6: in the middle of the first round, or maybe even
Speaker 6: Roma Dunsay if he wants to be really aggressive. But
Speaker 6: if the Bills sit back late in the first round,
Speaker 6: I think their pick is number twenty eight or something
Speaker 6: like that. Who would you like to see them get
Speaker 6: to maybe be that big outside receiver they need that,
Speaker 6: the alpha who could come in and replace Steph Diggs.
Speaker 3: Well, you threw me a softball when you said big,
Speaker 3: and that's actually what I was thinking. And that's not no,
Speaker 3: it's it's Keon Coleman. And I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't like Kelon Coleman or they're up and down
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've come into a very key on friendly show, Matt.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're good. Well, that's why no wonder I
Speaker 6: like you guys.
Speaker 3: You know, so no Keon Coleman is to me, he's
Speaker 3: not a good player for a team that doesn't have
Speaker 3: a US that has a slow processing, poor anticipatory throwing quarterback.
Speaker 3: You know, Sam Darnold and Kean Coleman would not be
Speaker 3: a good mix because he might not find Kean Coleman
Speaker 3: on the second read where he broke open. It would
Speaker 3: have been too late, and now he's having to erase
Speaker 3: some of the inaccuracies of throws.
Speaker 4: That he can do.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing with Josh Allen. Alan can buy time.
Speaker 3: Coleman can find the openings. He can also be the
Speaker 3: first read and get open underneath. He is a good
Speaker 3: intermediate route runner who finds the open spaces immediately. He
Speaker 3: gets separation early. He may not have long speed, but
Speaker 3: he has the size and the combination of enough speed
Speaker 3: to be able to win downfield on contested throws and
Speaker 3: work in zones. If I were to say that we
Speaker 3: had to you know, we had to save our lives
Speaker 3: by watching, by picking the wide receiver who was going
Speaker 3: to have to work through a brick wall to catch
Speaker 3: a football. The only one in this class that I
Speaker 3: would like, I would have hope for would be Keon
Speaker 3: Coleman in terms of how he wins the football at
Speaker 3: the confidence he has the body to be able to
Speaker 3: win like that. And I joke he's like the Leagarrett
Speaker 3: Blunt of wide receivers in this class where everyone looked
Speaker 3: at the Garrett Blunt and said, ah, he's a plotter
Speaker 3: and he can't move, and all he does is lean
Speaker 3: on people. And then you watch him return kicks and
Speaker 3: you watch how fleet footed he is, and you watch
Speaker 3: how good he moves his hips and that navigates tight spaces,
Speaker 3: and you're like, he may be slow on the Stopwatch,
Speaker 3: but he plays fast and he understands how to play.
Speaker 3: Ken Coleman is the exact same way. And he was
Speaker 3: a punt returner at FSU. Who looked and he wasn't
Speaker 3: a four yard per cat per return average guy, right,
Speaker 3: he could he legit returns?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we have been making that point.
Speaker 6: And here's Boggs trying to lead you by throwing up
Speaker 6: the hook horns sign and either, I don't know what
Speaker 6: were you trying to get.
Speaker 5: Another small guy like.
Speaker 4: He's gonna get drafted earlier if you ask.
Speaker 2: Matt, I think so too. Uh you know, Matt, Matt's
Speaker 2: smart guy.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But but also come on, you don't want to see
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's monster rocket arm uh match paired up with Worthy.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think Herbert would be a great
Speaker 2: you know, La would be a great spot too. That
Speaker 2: they're going to run the ball eighty times a game
Speaker 2: with harball and a bad defense. So you know, I
Speaker 2: I I would love to see Worthy in a lot
Speaker 2: of spots, just just drafted early, that's all. I just
Speaker 2: don't want to seem go to Denver. It is basically
Speaker 2: my my thing. They don't have a quarterback. But uh,
Speaker 2: my tight end question here, Matt is it's so weird too.
Speaker 2: Like all we heard leading up to the the end
Speaker 2: of the college football season was brock Bowers. Brock Bowers,
Speaker 2: He's going to be this amazing tight end. And you know,
Speaker 2: Fits and I have had a discussion in dynasty formats
Speaker 2: for fantasy. You know, could he already be tight end
Speaker 2: one because of his youth and his ability. I think
Speaker 2: there's absolutely an opportunity for him to be one. But
Speaker 2: the problem is that I see anyway, is the last
Speaker 2: time we had a tight end of this caliber was
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, and Kyle Pitts still hasn't been used correctly
Speaker 2: in the NFL under Arthur Smith and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: at least in terms for us fantasy nerds that want
Speaker 2: to see these guys catch the football and score touchdowns
Speaker 2: and things like that. So Brock Bauers, you know, the
Speaker 2: hype has been to me relatively quiet compared to what
Speaker 2: it was in season, but you'd still do see mocks.
Speaker 2: I mean, the farthest I've ever seen him fall is
Speaker 2: eighteen to the Bengals, which is not happening. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's happening. I think he's probably a top ten pick,
Speaker 2: if not at least a top twelve pick. So is
Speaker 2: there is there that nightmare landing spot for Brock Bowers
Speaker 2: where maybe we don't see the type of production. He
Speaker 2: is not obviously the same type of player as Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2: But Kyle Pitts landed in Atlanta. There weren't a lot
Speaker 2: of targets that looked like a match made in heaven,
Speaker 2: and it just wasn't in terms of fantasy. Is there
Speaker 2: that spot for Bowers or is Bowers kind of system
Speaker 2: proof for coach proof for QB proof for however you
Speaker 2: want to say it is he definitely going to have
Speaker 2: a big time production.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Bowers.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Pits first?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, first of all, First of all, one thing
Speaker 3: that I do in the RSPO all the time is
Speaker 3: I like to post players who are show the top
Speaker 3: twelve production years or the top twelve rookie years production
Speaker 3: wise for a tight end of all time. Pits made
Speaker 3: that list in year one. Yes, even with all the
Speaker 3: even with all the drama of Matt Ryan in his
Speaker 3: last year and injured players, you know, and an offensive
Speaker 3: line that had a little bit of issues to clean up,
Speaker 3: coaching staff on its way out, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Year two, new coaching staff, new system, bad quarterbacks. Year three,
Speaker 3: bad quarterbacks. So Kyle Pitts is going to be fine
Speaker 3: when with especially with Kirk Cousins. So by Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Also last year, the two players that I liked the
Speaker 3: most out of last year's draft class, sam was was
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid. First, I really liked Dalton Kincaid most and
Speaker 3: thought he had the best chance to threaten Mike Dicka's
Speaker 3: record that's been standing around since the mid fifties.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 3: And then Sam Laporta. Okay, and Sam Laporta not only
Speaker 3: did he knock on the door, he opened the door.
Speaker 3: He just didn't quite step into the into the foyer.
Speaker 3: Okay with what he did and Sam Laporta, the big
Speaker 3: thing with Laporta that relates to brock Bauers is that
Speaker 3: he had a great fit with his scheme. And the
Speaker 3: biggest concern I had with with Laporta was and a
Speaker 3: scout commented on this to me, who buys the RSP
Speaker 3: He said, said, man, you have He said, you hit
Speaker 3: the nail on the head with the fit what you
Speaker 3: said on potential fit because you said the low range
Speaker 3: scenario for him is that he winds up on a
Speaker 3: team where the coach basically has a beef with the
Speaker 3: exec who drove the pick of Laporta and is like,
Speaker 3: I wanted a big in line tight end who could
Speaker 3: catch some you gave me the shrimp who's more of
Speaker 3: a who can run routes like a receiver. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna fatten this guy up and make him play in line,
Speaker 3: or I'm gonna make him play in line to prove
Speaker 3: a point, and now we're gonna they're gonna have to
Speaker 3: fatten him up and he's not gonna be able to
Speaker 3: play well. And I'm gonna say, see, I told you
Speaker 3: to get what I want rather than getting what you wanted.
Speaker 3: You know, it didn't fit my own And the Scott
Speaker 3: literally wrote me and said, you have no idea how
Speaker 3: often often this happens?
Speaker 4: He goes.
Speaker 3: This happens so much he goes. So Laporta really found
Speaker 3: the right thing. So, yes, there's a risk that brock
Speaker 3: Bauers could land in that scenario. Do I think it's
Speaker 3: likely to happen? When you see a guy with the
Speaker 3: speed he has not only to run past cornerbacks and safeties,
Speaker 3: but also the ability to stop and re accelerate and
Speaker 3: beat cornerbacks who are on the same side of the
Speaker 3: field as him with an angle. This guy is the
Speaker 3: closest thing to like Vernon Davis and Aaron Hernandez as
Speaker 3: a as a football player that we've seen. You know,
Speaker 3: he's got He's got little things to work on, but
Speaker 3: they're not I mean, he's one of the he's probably
Speaker 3: one of the three best skilled players in this class.
Speaker 3: And I think that you would absolutely need to be like,
Speaker 3: and I say this as a Cleveland Browns fan, an idiot,
Speaker 3: on the proportion of picking Johnny Manzell after you saw
Speaker 3: his pro day worked out from what we learned on
Speaker 3: Netflix of what happened, and I know that the scouts,
Speaker 3: I have to believe the Cleveland brown scouts went back
Speaker 3: to the team and said, there's no way we can
Speaker 3: pick this guy. He was he was hung over. They
Speaker 3: were throwing his receivers weren't even there. They were throwing
Speaker 3: to like accountants for Christ's sake, you know. And and
Speaker 3: I have to think that Jimmy Haslam and his group
Speaker 3: were like, Nope, we're gonna We're gonna pick him anyway.
Speaker 2: No wonder you love scouting these players so much you
Speaker 2: grew up as a Browns fan.
Speaker 3: That's right, That's exactly right, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, just so, I'm thinking about a scenario where
Speaker 6: a GM hands a coach Rock Bauers, and the coaches
Speaker 6: upset he didn't get tip Ryman. And yeah, if that's
Speaker 6: the case with anyone, I'm hoping that coach gets the
Speaker 6: bums rush out the door as quickly as possible.
Speaker 3: I would I would say, you know, now, if you're
Speaker 3: trying to think of a team that was if let's
Speaker 3: say Dawson Knox wasn't in Buffalo, and he wasn't and
Speaker 3: and they needed it, and they didn't have another quality blocker,
Speaker 3: and they really needed a tip Ryeman type and they
Speaker 3: had Dalton Kincaid. I could see why you'd be like, look,
Speaker 3: you're not helping my run game here. But I agree
Speaker 3: with you still because I go, hey, McFly, like seriously,
Speaker 3: like find someone off the street. You'll be okay with
Speaker 3: those two guys and split one of those guys out wide.
Speaker 3: And for Christ's sake, will you please throw Dalton Kincaid
Speaker 3: some contested balls that he was great at rather than
Speaker 3: throwing them flat routes all the time and getting so conservative.
Speaker 3: Buffalo was so conservative I wanted to strangle them. And
Speaker 3: he still was a top twelve producer of all time
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 2: So yeah, is this just to put a point on
Speaker 2: tight ends? Is this class week like people say it is?
Speaker 2: Or is there more talent then we're giving it credit
Speaker 2: for just in terms of like receiving guys in potential fantasies.
Speaker 3: There's there's two really strong guys in you know, in
Speaker 3: Bowers and then in BENSONO. And I think that Jatavian
Speaker 3: Sanders has the talent to be good, but it might
Speaker 3: take him a little bit of time, and there may
Speaker 3: be some ups and downs and if he doesn't survive
Speaker 3: those that'll fail.
Speaker 1: But there's end is tough.
Speaker 3: Tight end is tight end is a tough position, and
Speaker 3: it's kind of like running back. It's like running back
Speaker 3: this year, it's better than you think because I think
Speaker 3: Eric all Is is an underrated player if he can
Speaker 3: stay healthy and that the back injury isn't an issue.
Speaker 3: And this THEO Johnson kid. If he can figure out
Speaker 3: his feet, he actually could become a real threat because
Speaker 3: of his because of his speed, but he doesn't know
Speaker 3: how to use it. And I laugh because like, what
Speaker 3: is up with like? And I'm only gonna say I'm
Speaker 3: joking when I say this because it's Penn State pat
Speaker 3: for Iron Muth was a favorite of mine, but he
Speaker 3: was slow. But what's up with having these fast workout
Speaker 3: tight ends who don't show up on the field that way?
Speaker 3: Because Mike Joseki has had such a great combine workout
Speaker 3: and you'd think he was playing in sand, you know,
Speaker 3: and it always looked that way on field and THEO
Speaker 3: Johnson isn't completely Joseki like that way, but against man
Speaker 3: coverage or when he has to have a plan with
Speaker 3: his feet, he's playing in sand that's been watered down
Speaker 3: with some concrete too wet concrete. And then but then
Speaker 3: when he's running against zone, you're like, this dude can fly.
Speaker 3: Looks like Robert Smith with like another thirty pounds on.
Speaker 2: It sounds like they're in their head too much. They're
Speaker 2: thinking about the process too much instead of just doing.
Speaker 3: It, or they just don't know. They don't know good
Speaker 3: footwork skills at the change yet. And that's a lot
Speaker 3: of it too.
Speaker 2: Fitz, before we let Mac go, you got anything else
Speaker 2: for him? Any more questions?
Speaker 6: I just want to give Matt the opportunity to tell
Speaker 6: people where they can get the RSP. And you know,
Speaker 6: I know the RSP has a charitable component two and
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Speaker 3: Sure, I appreciate that. You know, mount Waldeman dot com
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Speaker 3: I used to read Pack and in the PFF and
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Speaker 5: Like I like him.
Speaker 3: I like what he does. And I've always and that's
Speaker 3: how I've always felt about pathwork, because I would, you know,
Speaker 3: even in my dumb arrogance days, like I would, I
Speaker 3: always like Pat that way. But uh, but yeah, you can.
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Speaker 2: Great great stuff, Matt, appreciate you coming on on the
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Speaker 2: will see you guys next week.
Speaker 1: Wormley, We'll be back next week. Right. We didn't fire him, right?
Speaker 4: Fits?
Speaker 5: We did fire him. It's gonna be Thorntrom next week.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 6: We're giving you like you know, the draft gours back
Speaker 6: to back, back to back. We might we might never
Speaker 6: bring Warmley back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well you know, he got Jackson holiday. He's having
Speaker 2: a good time doing baseball stuff right now. So appreciate
Speaker 2: you again, Matt, and we will see you guys next week.
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