Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Football is Back.
Speaker 2: I know he's kind of right from the Chris Westling
Speaker 2: podcast Studios Around the NFL. Dan hands us here back
Speaker 2: for another week ahead of the Draft, joined by heroes
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. And of course, and this is
Speaker 2: I should say, of course because this is not typically.
Speaker 3: When this person is with us. Also, there was quite
Speaker 3: a bit of concern about her whereabouts and they were
Speaker 3: given the state, you know, recent state of news around
Speaker 3: this individual, an idea that maybe forcibly taken off our
Speaker 3: last broadcast.
Speaker 1: But no, she' back. Colleen Shannie's the queen Queen. She
Speaker 1: is the Queen of NFL meeting.
Speaker 4: I never really thought about it before, but that specific
Speaker 4: tune has like kind of some church hymn vibes a
Speaker 4: bit a little bit there.
Speaker 1: Like it's like God just came in the studio. Well,
Speaker 1: it's the Queen.
Speaker 5: I mean that is essentially saying every other option to
Speaker 5: be the queen is below you, below the Queen.
Speaker 6: I also thought about your strategy, like over the weekend
Speaker 6: that you effectively came on and did an excellent eight
Speaker 6: or nine minutes of podcasting, left a message on your
Speaker 6: phone to tag at the end, and it was like
Speaker 6: that's she's still is part of the any idea, she's
Speaker 6: still part of the cash. You're going just as valuable
Speaker 6: as anyone else. And I think it was just an
Speaker 6: incredible strategy for multiple angles for.
Speaker 3: Colleen in that particular situation. It worked for the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah ideas.
Speaker 1: I was just on the fact that it was effective.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you so much. We made it work, but.
Speaker 1: Not a permanent solution for Colleen or anyone else.
Speaker 6: Just thought about it like in multiple from multiple angles,
Speaker 6: no action steps to yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, thank you. Jason Zummo.
Speaker 5: By the way, reminding us football is back this week,
Speaker 5: twenty five teams kicking off voluntary offseason workout. So I
Speaker 5: think it's it's basically having the Jets put out, you know,
Speaker 5: a nice image slow motion of Aaron Rodgers. No, that's
Speaker 5: just how he walks walking into the building. And I
Speaker 5: think that just shows this football is back, save for like.
Speaker 6: The twenty five percent of players that are not showing
Speaker 6: up because of money issues and various grumblings.
Speaker 5: It's just like we're back here. We've got slow motion
Speaker 5: sunglass area.
Speaker 7: Though, nice camo vibe.
Speaker 1: I feel like you just went through it all with
Speaker 1: the Jets year.
Speaker 6: Agree, and I'm back in the same place, and nothing
Speaker 6: happened during the real football.
Speaker 3: Season, just the way it goes. It is a bit
Speaker 3: of a cycle. The entire job, in a way is
Speaker 3: a cycle. It all begins anew But football is not bad.
Speaker 3: We already discussed that football is not back until after Thanksgiving,
Speaker 3: but you really want to be serious about it, like
Speaker 3: next January?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right? Coming up on today's.
Speaker 3: Show, I you know, the draft is Let's see, the
Speaker 3: draft is a week from Thursday, so we have hit
Speaker 3: it from multiple angles of the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: We're gonna continue to do this week.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have some guests involved this this show, though,
Speaker 3: we're gonna kind of keep it in house. We're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about the players that fascinate him. In fact, this
Speaker 3: segment is called I love them Fascinating Players in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four NFL Draft and that let's make that the
Speaker 3: episode title as well.
Speaker 1: That's a good one, I think, yeah, put it in quotes. Hey,
Speaker 1: hear that again, I love them all.
Speaker 7: It's I think it's genuine.
Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, no, it felt authentic.
Speaker 3: That's from our Friday show and you were talking, of
Speaker 3: course of lad Maconki. I don't know if he's coming
Speaker 3: up today, but we already know that I love him.
Speaker 6: I will say one thing that I've personally tried to
Speaker 6: put in more draft work than in some prior years. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and that we already talk. We already talk loud Maconkie.
Speaker 6: We already gave them that. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: other players to look at, and that's what we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Do more efficient to see to hit, we gotta spread
Speaker 5: the way around. Yahessler's got his.
Speaker 3: Leg a ocean of prospects out there for the sas
Speaker 3: dog entire. But before that we do that, that's hit
Speaker 3: the news.
Speaker 6: Let's say one day it is a situation, right, Maybe
Speaker 6: it's the forty nine ers, Maybe you know, headed to
Speaker 6: the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Offense is great, Patriots, somebody, somebody raiders could be you
Speaker 1: never know, Scott forbid, somebody goes down, would you pick
Speaker 1: up that phone. I'm not opposed to it. If they would.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna let me by becoming
Speaker 1: an owner in the NFL team, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I don't know, I'm always going to be in
Speaker 1: good shape. I always be able to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: So to come in for a little bit like MJ
Speaker 1: coming back, I don't know if they let me, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Speaker 3: That's I'm unfamiliar with the show, but the Deep Cut
Speaker 3: podcast with Vic Blend's Tom Brady in a barber chair
Speaker 3: with the whole, with the whole, the cloak on him
Speaker 3: and everything. I'd like to get a good look at
Speaker 3: Tom Brady's hair, by the way, and how that's.
Speaker 1: It was pretty mid cut right there though. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: as Mark and I have long.
Speaker 3: Held the theory that he had radical work done from
Speaker 3: the neck up. If you look at look at him
Speaker 3: on the tea cups at Disneyland and O two and
Speaker 3: take a look at him in the later years.
Speaker 6: Well, it's a it's a theory, but one of our
Speaker 6: many cases where we've compiled evidence and facts and sourced
Speaker 6: various conversations over a decade plus and there's some trencht
Speaker 6: uh eyewitness concepts about what maybe happen.
Speaker 4: The hair situation, I feel like is fine now. It
Speaker 4: is more accepted widely.
Speaker 1: I think among people going down certain roads you're.
Speaker 7: Going to get plugs.
Speaker 4: It's like, I respect the guys that go completely bald
Speaker 4: and then they're like, nah, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 4: back and.
Speaker 7: Like like public figures that do it.
Speaker 3: You brought it up, so I'm gonna I don't know
Speaker 3: if Brady didn't know, we don't know. I know people
Speaker 3: someone directly in the show business, and and he's everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody does it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, all the guys just about anyway, That's the point.
Speaker 3: A couple of things. First of all, he was I
Speaker 3: don't know, it was a new bit of a greg
Speaker 3: you know, Tom Brady's voice as well as anyone, a
Speaker 3: new kind of cadence, little white boy flow there from Brady,
Speaker 3: the Travis Kelcey flow to the off the tongue felt
Speaker 3: maybe because he was in the barbershop or something.
Speaker 5: I think that was maybe more just he's with uh,
Speaker 5: a younger man who's looking.
Speaker 1: But you're picking up on that too, right, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit. I would like to hear it again.
Speaker 5: But I am curious about the consultants that are telling
Speaker 5: Tom Brady to go on this podcast, like how did
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks shoot? Like, there's no way he knows this
Speaker 5: podcast on his own. It's like a young len guy,
Speaker 5: no like that someone is saying, we want to be
Speaker 5: hitting the younger demo, Vic blends would be great. Yes,
Speaker 5: like so he so someone is getting paid to just
Speaker 5: tell him that information.
Speaker 1: That's a good job. Yeah, the big job by Vic Blendze.
Speaker 5: The person who's telling Aaron Rodgers he might be doing
Speaker 5: on his own, I feel like doing less of a
Speaker 5: good job like his the podcast he chooses to pop
Speaker 5: up on our little Little I.
Speaker 6: Just I continue to be awestruck by Tom Brady's intense
Speaker 6: desire to announce football games for Fox.
Speaker 3: And by the way, that is the first time I
Speaker 3: heard that. I didn't think. I didn't take that seriously
Speaker 3: at all. I think that was a guy like having
Speaker 3: fun and uh, that was a little bit of us,
Speaker 3: you know, sip and tea in the barbershop, joking around.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't think. I didn't take that to mean
Speaker 3: he was serious about it.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 5: And yet if someone had called him last year, I
Speaker 5: bet he would have done it.
Speaker 3: Like I just don't wait a second. He was preparing
Speaker 3: for the broadcasting job last year. He was in the bunker,
Speaker 3: which I believe.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's time he brought up MJ immediately that
Speaker 5: he's like, hey, maybe MJ on the Wizards.
Speaker 1: Essentially, as he's talking about, it's like, all right, but.
Speaker 7: He'll always be in good shase for the basketball.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 3: Let's get into other news. So maybe Tom Brady comes
Speaker 3: back end of next year. Stranger things have happened, all right.
Speaker 3: Let's move into other news, starting with Rashie Rice, who
Speaker 3: four days ago surrendered to police on an assault charge
Speaker 3: after a high speed crash that went down on a
Speaker 3: Dallas highway last month that involved a half dozen vehicles.
Speaker 3: And Rice twenty three years old and coming off a
Speaker 3: very promising rookie year with the chiefs involved with the
Speaker 3: incident and now involved in a legal situation that could
Speaker 3: have ramifications obviously for him personally, also the Kansas City
Speaker 3: Chiefs and in the realm of the chiefs kingdom connected
Speaker 3: to this, the chief to expect, this was a report
Speaker 3: earlier today. Expect Wide receiver Rashi Rice to participate as
Speaker 3: they began their off season program Monday with virtual meetings,
Speaker 3: Andy Reid said. Reid kind of didn't get into specifics
Speaker 3: on Rice's situation. He said, well, just see where everything
Speaker 3: goes from there, referring to the law enforcement investigation. Let
Speaker 3: the process take place. So Greg's This sets up obviously
Speaker 3: terrible situation. We remembered what the terrible car accident Henry
Speaker 3: Ruggs was involved in Vegas, so this brings back memories
Speaker 3: of that and Rice very nearly being involved allegedly with
Speaker 3: something I could have had similarly similarly terrible outcome. So
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with the chiefser who already needed
Speaker 3: help at playmaker with the draft a week away, and
Speaker 3: now you have this Rice situation hanging over everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't want he Andy Reid said he's talked
Speaker 5: to Rice. He wouldn't take questions do on them in
Speaker 5: that he wanted the law enfor quote, the law enforcement
Speaker 5: part to take place, and then they'll go from there.
Speaker 5: When it comes to Rashi Rice, I don't know what
Speaker 5: go from there means, but I think it's safe to
Speaker 5: say the Chiefs have to operate that they don't know
Speaker 5: what Rice's status is as a member of the team
Speaker 5: or at the beginning of the season, we from the
Speaker 5: outside also don't know what Raci Rice's status is with
Speaker 5: the Chiefs. They could decide to do anything and it puts.
Speaker 6: Them back like where they were, you know, before signing
Speaker 6: Markus Brown and where they were after signing Markus Brown.
Speaker 6: It's like they need consistent number one wide receiver play
Speaker 6: from someone, and Rice was shaping up to be that
Speaker 6: guy in theory, and like, you know, you know, a
Speaker 6: suspension can whack you for the first you know, month
Speaker 6: of a season plus and that those games matter a
Speaker 6: ton for Kansas City.
Speaker 4: I mean, thank god that this did not involve any
Speaker 4: fatalities because we would be talking about this in such
Speaker 4: a different tone. But his off season in general went
Speaker 4: from so lighthearted, working out with Patrick Mahomes, wearing Patrick
Speaker 4: Mahomes Dad bod shirt.
Speaker 7: Everyone was laughing about it. It was fun, it was
Speaker 7: light whatever.
Speaker 4: And then now he's facing eight felony charges, six of
Speaker 4: collision involving bodily injury, one of collision involving serious bodily injury,
Speaker 4: and one of aggravated assault.
Speaker 7: Doesn't even include charges for leaving the scene.
Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to see how the league approaches
Speaker 4: this because obviously, in any criminal case, the league likes
Speaker 4: to wait for everything to play out before they hand
Speaker 4: down any type of suspensions, or maybe he goes on leave.
Speaker 4: But I mean, it was just like, what kind of
Speaker 4: decision was he making?
Speaker 1: To leave.
Speaker 4: I mean, his cars were involved in it. He had
Speaker 4: to have known that eventually, Like you can't run from that.
Speaker 4: But it's just it sucks for him, it sucks for
Speaker 4: everyone involved, and then also for the chiefs now in
Speaker 4: this situation where they don't know they're in a little
Speaker 4: bit of a limbo with their wide receiver position.
Speaker 6: I always think these suspensions, too, take on a bit
Speaker 6: of a different tone when there's a video yeah versus not,
Speaker 6: and like there isn't a ton of precedent for an
Speaker 6: accident like this involving so many people, and it's like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, we'll see what the league does.
Speaker 3: Let's talk other wide receivers in more on the field tone.
Speaker 3: Let's start with Brandon and Ayuk, who trope alert removed
Speaker 3: the San Francisco forty nine from all social.
Speaker 7: Media true little boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now everybody talks about that as a trope alert,
Speaker 3: but I feel like our podcasts a little ahead of
Speaker 3: the curve on that as a tried and true move
Speaker 3: for a player to start the process of being annoyed
Speaker 3: with this team in a public manner, so that leads
Speaker 3: to reporting and aggregated reporting.
Speaker 1: And then Ayuk's.
Speaker 3: Agent on Monday, denied on social media a report that
Speaker 3: the star receiver requested a trade. Ayuk is under contract.
Speaker 3: He's entering the fifty year of his rookie deal. He
Speaker 3: set to make fourteen million. Connie, this is a very
Speaker 3: very talented wide receiver, yestn who you speak with, maybe
Speaker 3: a superstar wide receiver. But he's also on a team
Speaker 3: that has some high paid players, including someone at his
Speaker 3: own position in Deebo Samuel, and the idea of a
Speaker 3: trade does not seem out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 4: No, and I'm sure he wants to be paid like Debo,
Speaker 4: even if he hasn't asked or a trade, there's still
Speaker 4: some type of smoke there. It's a passive aggressive move
Speaker 4: to unfollow the Niners on all of your social media channels,
Speaker 4: knowing that everyone's gonna pick up on that. But for
Speaker 4: the Niners, time is everything, right now, pay him or
Speaker 4: trade him to get some type of draft compensation because
Speaker 4: his price tag is only going to go up with
Speaker 4: every single deal that's made. We'll talk about DeVante Smith
Speaker 4: coming up, but all of those extensions, I mean, Ceedee
Speaker 4: Lamb justin Jefferson, Like, there's a lot of receivers that
Speaker 4: are trying to get paid right now, and he deserves
Speaker 4: to get paid.
Speaker 1: His agent.
Speaker 5: Came on Twitter and said, you need better sources to
Speaker 5: a report, and this is why it's tricky.
Speaker 1: You gotta become better if you're.
Speaker 5: In this industry, all right, No, just has this the
Speaker 5: Medium Minute?
Speaker 1: No, I just reading Twitter.
Speaker 5: The report came from NFL insider John Purcella.
Speaker 1: Be a young star on the rise. You don't know,
Speaker 1: but isn't working for any anything.
Speaker 5: I'm not really sure, like just as a guy with it,
Speaker 5: you know, has a check mark. And he put this
Speaker 5: report out and he said it's official.
Speaker 3: Check This sounds too much like a media minute, so
Speaker 3: let's do it. This is Greg sitting in on the
Speaker 3: dn hands's media to hit it.
Speaker 1: Eric, it's time or the latest edition of the Media
Speaker 1: Minute with Greg A.
Speaker 5: So I think, yeah, if you're if you're you're on
Speaker 5: Twitter and you're noticing these things, you know, look look
Speaker 5: for where's the employer.
Speaker 1: If you can't find find one red flag?
Speaker 5: If there's a situation where fifteen thousand followers, Okay, that's that.
Speaker 1: I take notes. That sounds good.
Speaker 7: It's a checklist, but then ten no job folloween yeah,
Speaker 7: that's that.
Speaker 1: It's a red flag.
Speaker 5: And if the link to the latest work is a
Speaker 5: blog spot that hasn't been updated in almost two years,
Speaker 5: log Spot, you know it's on you if you passed
Speaker 5: that along as info. Now, who knows an aggregator maybe
Speaker 5: maybe his agent though, is just on Twitter and saw
Speaker 5: this and he responds and I'm glad and there's you know,
Speaker 5: a little more news on social it appeared and you
Speaker 5: can't really tell. On his Instagram today, Brandon Nyuk was
Speaker 5: at Day one of off season program because he was like,
Speaker 5: I'm a Day one type of guy and put that
Speaker 5: up on Instagram stories and appeared he was, you know,
Speaker 5: at thesode.
Speaker 1: That was that was illuminating Greg. Everything checked out and
Speaker 1: that was the medium minute, I think, I think it, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was the medium minute with Greg. I think
Speaker 1: in Twitter parlance, be better.
Speaker 5: I also think Brandon Nyuk is very likely to get
Speaker 5: a contract from the forty nine ers, and this is
Speaker 5: one that doesn't have a lot of juice to it.
Speaker 3: And I think if Brandon I first traded, everyone's going
Speaker 3: to oh first round pick. But remember trade tax that
Speaker 3: we instituted, right. I think you were in Hawaii when
Speaker 3: we finally put our foot down on this and we're
Speaker 3: gonna stop.
Speaker 1: Well, if the fail was slifted off our eyes, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So whatever you think Brandon I WHU deserves knock it
Speaker 3: down around. So you know, go get Brandon Hu. Are
Speaker 3: you for a second this year and a fourth next year?
Speaker 3: And I would do that in a second.
Speaker 7: No, I feel like that he's got to be worth
Speaker 7: a first round.
Speaker 1: Lift the mail con.
Speaker 6: I think he's getting paid by his current team. That
Speaker 6: the Deebo thing went on forever, and so I'll think
Speaker 6: Deebo Samuel is more likely to get traded than Nayuk.
Speaker 6: But I think it would be in twenty twenty five
Speaker 6: when when Perdy Deebo is a twenty four million dollar
Speaker 6: cap hit next year, it's a twenty eight million dollar
Speaker 6: cap pit this year.
Speaker 3: In otherwide receiver news, T Higgins said, I quote do
Speaker 3: anticipate playing for the Bengals in twenty twenty four. Higgins
Speaker 3: is another one that you know he's on the franchise
Speaker 3: tag and there was talk about that maybe he's going
Speaker 3: to be moved, but he looks forward to the season
Speaker 3: with the Bengals. And speaking of players that have been
Speaker 3: connected a lot to trade whispers but nothing tangible. Devonte
Speaker 3: Adams of the Raiders, and he spoke with The Athletic
Speaker 3: in an interview and said, if I wanted to be gone,
Speaker 3: I'd be gone, which is pretty different. For whatever reason,
Speaker 3: that checks out to me because he has not kind
Speaker 3: of been on the record about wanting to be part
Speaker 3: of this rebuild under Pierce, and now he is. He
Speaker 3: wants to be the he wants to be part of it.
Speaker 3: He's excited like everybody else is around the Raiders and
Speaker 3: trying to surprise some people.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and now his offensive coordinator from Green Bay,
Speaker 4: Luke Getzi, is in Vegas, so they have a little
Speaker 4: history there. And I feel like a lot of his
Speaker 4: frustration stemmed from the dislike and whatever was going on
Speaker 4: between him and Josh McDaniels, and and that was like
Speaker 4: the whole team felt that way. It seems so now
Speaker 4: Dante Adams came out and was stumping for Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 4: Now he's there, feels like everything is like a little
Speaker 4: bit easier and a little bit better now vibes area.
Speaker 5: See how he's feeling when garden shoes uh thrown past
Speaker 5: his in those hospital balls exactly.
Speaker 1: I think Daniels supposed to absolute poison in that or this.
Speaker 6: I feel like someone must have told him at least
Speaker 6: to quell him for now, Like we're going hard for
Speaker 6: a quarterback. It's not going to be aid and O'Connell
Speaker 6: or Gardner Minshew week one if we.
Speaker 1: Can do anything.
Speaker 5: Oh and yeah, he just moved his family there. I
Speaker 5: think he said that he loves living there. And you
Speaker 5: know that's that's an important they're moving up. That's important
Speaker 5: part of things. And I tend to believe like everyone
Speaker 5: hoping for these wide receiver trads, I am too, because
Speaker 5: it makes draft week and we're excited. I I have
Speaker 5: never thought that T Higgins was going to get traded.
Speaker 5: I think the Bengals are a unique organization that the
Speaker 5: way they like to do things like, well, we'll just
Speaker 5: happen one more year. We're not gonna pay him the
Speaker 5: long term. We'll just let him leave a year from now.
Speaker 5: But it's worth him to keep it for this year.
Speaker 5: And if you're T Higgins, you could really make a
Speaker 5: stink about it, or you could realize, like I'm coming off.
Speaker 1: A bad year.
Speaker 5: I'm with Joe Burrow, I've made I would have to
Speaker 5: go check but I'm sure much. I got you, buddy,
Speaker 5: much less than ten million dollars in his career, maybe
Speaker 5: like five or six, and he's about to make twenty
Speaker 5: one in one year. So if you're about to make
Speaker 5: about a four hundred percent increase off of what you
Speaker 5: made in four years combined, you're not going to be like,
Speaker 5: You're probably not gonna go too crazy like in terms
Speaker 5: of not being happy, and you're going to show up
Speaker 5: and make it happen.
Speaker 6: His career earnings to this point, Greigie like four million
Speaker 6: dollars or something. Let's see total cash in four seasons
Speaker 6: with the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Ten million.
Speaker 3: Okay, Greg's made more than that. All right, let's pause
Speaker 3: right here for a minute and take a break and
Speaker 3: then get back to the news. All right, we're back
Speaker 3: in other news. The NFL, excuse me, extensions, the Eagles. Hey,
Speaker 3: here's your guys. Slim Reaper Devanta Smith signs a three
Speaker 3: year extension worth seventy five million. The Call also get
Speaker 3: a deal done with the Forest Buckner, who, according to
Speaker 3: cults officials, epitomizes everything that a cult should be. All Right,
Speaker 3: I guess they're happy with that trade they did with
Speaker 3: the Niners a couple of years ago. But Devanta Smith, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you like him, don't chuck huck I do.
Speaker 4: It was as soon as I walked into my family's
Speaker 4: house for Easter dinner, it was the first question on
Speaker 4: everyone's mind, what's going on with DeVante Smith?
Speaker 7: When is this deal getting done?
Speaker 1: Really? Like what a slice of Philly like.
Speaker 7: It's so great to see you happy Easter.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's been like years at this point
Speaker 4: that I've seen my extended family.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 7: Everyone wants to know. Everyone wanted to know.
Speaker 4: Finally, they lock them in through twenty twenty eight, so
Speaker 4: they picked up his fifth year option and then the
Speaker 4: extension is for the three years that then follow So
Speaker 4: if you're looking at the money that he's making on
Speaker 4: an average per year basis, the Eagles now have two
Speaker 4: of the top highest paid receivers, top five highest paid
Speaker 4: receivers in the entire league with himself and aj Brown.
Speaker 4: But this was really smart of Howie to get this
Speaker 4: deal done before justin Jefferson and Ceedee Lamb and jamar
Speaker 4: and and mother exactly. But this is what Philly does.
Speaker 4: They take care of their own. They don't wait until
Speaker 4: the last minute. Greg, you're talking about t Higgins and
Speaker 4: how the Bengals operate that the Eagles are the exact opposite.
Speaker 4: They make it a priority to get these deals done early,
Speaker 4: so there's no discontent that sort of grows. And I
Speaker 4: think that it'll be interesting to watch Kellen Moore, their
Speaker 4: new offensive coordinator, what he does, if he does anything
Speaker 4: different with Devonte Smith now coming up this season.
Speaker 6: I mean the one thing there that is just coming
Speaker 6: from last year's Eagles like fall off a cliff at
Speaker 6: that was last year. I'm just saying because like one
Speaker 6: of them you're not talking about last year, who seemed
Speaker 6: more annoyed.
Speaker 1: Aj Brown.
Speaker 6: It seemed like was so annoyed, like game after game,
Speaker 6: and it's like he has no guaranteed money after this season.
Speaker 6: So you got these Juelian Banjo's a wide out, We'll
Speaker 6: see it. By the one thing, elut to Forest Buckner, like,
Speaker 6: the Colts are interesting and it's not shocking on a
Speaker 6: Chris Belbert. They've signed now ten of their own players
Speaker 6: to new deals, and by think Buckner is worth it.
Speaker 6: You can he can drive around on a cream colored
Speaker 6: purse for the rest of his Cults journey now with
Speaker 6: the money he's just made. But like he's like, you know,
Speaker 6: they just want to stick with their own dudes.
Speaker 1: Oh their player. Yeah.
Speaker 5: They also locked in Grover Stewart on that line, so
Speaker 5: they've been good for a while together Green Color, and
Speaker 5: they're staying the same.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, it's a good choice in color.
Speaker 5: It's a continuation of a cults trend. They resigned their
Speaker 5: guys more than any team league, but the Eagles they do.
Speaker 1: I know you're sick of hearing how No, I have
Speaker 1: nothing to say on this. I'll offer nothing. My stance
Speaker 1: has been made.
Speaker 5: Clear because he technically had two years left on his contract,
Speaker 5: so they got way ahead of it. He was in
Speaker 5: he wants to make more money now because he was
Speaker 5: in the fourth year of his Rickey deal, but then
Speaker 5: they would add the fifth year option, and so they
Speaker 5: tacked three years off of that and he gets way
Speaker 5: more in the short term. But that contract goes through
Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight. That's going to look like an incredible
Speaker 5: value and he's probably not going to be very happy
Speaker 5: with that contract in three years and they'll have to
Speaker 5: revisit that. And that is it's just good business, and
Speaker 5: it's how you avoid I'd get into this situation that
Speaker 5: the Cowboys are in, or that the Jaguars were in
Speaker 5: this offseason with Josh Allen, and that's why they couldn't
Speaker 5: keep Calvin really, except in this case the players are
Speaker 5: much better. I was thinking, Okay, it might be time
Speaker 5: to say goodbye to AJ Brown at some point too.
Speaker 1: It's like A J.
Speaker 5: Brown's twenty six years How is AJ Brown only twenty
Speaker 5: six years old right now?
Speaker 7: So that's true?
Speaker 1: Do you want to keep him from just for starters?
Speaker 1: He was born twenty six years ago right now?
Speaker 4: I love that for the but Greg, they have five
Speaker 4: players under contract through twenty twenty eight, including Jalen Hurts
Speaker 4: and then the other four guys that they already signed
Speaker 4: this offseason with Landon Dickerson, Jake Elliott, Jordan Mylotta, and
Speaker 4: now DeVante Smith.
Speaker 3: I'm currently reading and enjoying it quite a bit. The
Speaker 3: Jordan Rules by Sam Smith, documenting the.
Speaker 6: Also rewatching the Jordan documentary Wormhole, Okay.
Speaker 1: Wormhole in Focust.
Speaker 3: The paperback that I got has a new forward by
Speaker 3: Sam Smith where he reflects on the documentary and how
Speaker 3: he was going to do it and the Bulls Dynasty.
Speaker 5: Look at you, I found of Michael, I went and
Speaker 5: showed Walker want to see I had some cards, some
Speaker 5: old cards that were like my better football, basketball baseball cards.
Speaker 5: Yesterday I went through. We went through because it's rainy
Speaker 5: in La as always all that happens in La.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we went through it, look through some old ones
Speaker 5: to see if I have any bangers in there. A
Speaker 5: whole bunch of a lot of money I wasted buying
Speaker 5: cards back A lot of deep breaths. Had two good
Speaker 5: cards in the entire thing. One of them was a
Speaker 5: solid Jordan card that is valued around five hundred dollars
Speaker 5: or so.
Speaker 1: Is it in minute condition or is it? Probably not.
Speaker 1: It's in one of those things that looks good.
Speaker 6: Well, that's a terrible job by the youth version of you,
Speaker 6: because even back then you knew you had.
Speaker 5: To know it looks good. It's been in one of
Speaker 5: those things the whole time. You think it looks good.
Speaker 1: But if you take it to one of these nerdy cards,
Speaker 1: I got a condition. It was different. Just saying that
Speaker 1: was exciting to me to find this fleer Ale, I
Speaker 1: don't remember. Yeah, what's your guy do?
Speaker 3: My guy's a guy, he's a guy. That's connected at
Speaker 3: the highest levels to the industry of what condition is
Speaker 3: this in? How much is it worth?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 6: I hope it's not thro out there on YouTube that
Speaker 6: opens up packs of cards from like nineteen ninety one Raiser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but eats the gum too. No, I introduced you
Speaker 1: to that guy. Oh well, Chuck Wax. So it was fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was watching card which was not worth anything, but
Speaker 5: you could see the gum staying on the card.
Speaker 1: The gum was called gum sweat the dust. It's like
Speaker 1: it already wasn't worth anything anyway. Jordan rules, I bring
Speaker 1: this up. He happened to be there. Sam Smith.
Speaker 3: He was a beat reporter for the Chicago Tribune who
Speaker 3: happened to pick the perfect year to do.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm following this team and covering this player.
Speaker 3: He picked Michael Jordan and the nineteen ninety one Chicago
Speaker 3: Bulls that won the first of six titles. And even
Speaker 3: though this came out thirty some odd years ago, at
Speaker 3: this point it's still the same, which is, it's so
Speaker 3: hard to manage rosters and manage egos, and everyone's paying
Speaker 3: very close attention to not only how much they're making
Speaker 3: in their contract situation, but their teammates and who's who
Speaker 3: got what?
Speaker 1: He got this, but I didn't get that.
Speaker 3: Scottie Pippen dealt with this a lot because Jerry Kraus
Speaker 3: locked him into a bad contract, the GM of the team.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I bring this up because not.
Speaker 6: The only bad contract he locked into. Little tabloids take
Speaker 6: there by Mark?
Speaker 1: Is that a tap? Take? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Just go if you're listening and you care, go research
Speaker 6: it on your own. We don't need to stop into it.
Speaker 6: I don't want to interrupt. You love AJ Brown, who
Speaker 6: you know, he's a guy that hasn't always been happy
Speaker 6: on that team. Now Slim Reaper got the bag. That
Speaker 6: could be an issue.
Speaker 1: I don't know, folks, I am with you type.
Speaker 4: Issue, but I also with Aj Brown. I feel like
Speaker 4: he gets this rap for like not being happy. I
Speaker 4: think that he just expresses it outwardly more than other people.
Speaker 1: Won is it a rap? Whereas there's some evidence that he's.
Speaker 4: There's plenty of evidence, but I think that he just
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't up to voice his opinion.
Speaker 5: I like what you're saying is there's a lot of
Speaker 5: this and maybe there's a lot more passive aggressive people
Speaker 5: in the build in or something that are more annoying,
Speaker 5: and you'd actually rather the AJ guy.
Speaker 7: You know, we are rather like exactly like process these feelings.
Speaker 6: Let's not repress You're more optim mistic the normal about
Speaker 6: the Eagles. Typically there's some doom and gloom or like
Speaker 6: what's next around the corner. I tend to think something's
Speaker 6: around the corner, right, I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: times change, sports change. The guys are always watching the
Speaker 6: other guys, especially in their position group. All right, Connie,
Speaker 6: you are going to Detroit for the draft. I am
Speaker 6: What is your role within the company's structure?
Speaker 7: A few different things.
Speaker 4: I will be doing hosting DJ's mock draft the night
Speaker 4: before night one, and then I'll be on site on
Speaker 4: the desk doing some things night one and night two
Speaker 4: for the network, and then I'll be on the stage
Speaker 4: night one and night three.
Speaker 7: I've never done Day.
Speaker 1: Three before, and it looks like things get weird.
Speaker 7: It looks like so much fun and there's gonna be puppies.
Speaker 7: I was like, I would like to do Day three.
Speaker 3: Thirteen prospects will be in attendance in Detroit for the drafts,
Speaker 3: which begins Thursday. April twenty fifth. That seems like it's
Speaker 3: a dwindling numbers still lowesting these is the lowest in years.
Speaker 5: Since the monfl is inviting fewer, they've said, because they're
Speaker 5: really trying to another way to.
Speaker 1: Spin it bad.
Speaker 6: But what about but what about all the like the
Speaker 6: fashion business before and then in their show.
Speaker 3: Here's here's what you need to know redcarpet. You want,
Speaker 3: you want the big name, So number one pick Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: He'll be there.
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels, the QB from Els, he'll be there. Drake
Speaker 3: May QB from UNC, he'll be there. Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: he'll be there.
Speaker 7: So there are he didn't do anything either.
Speaker 4: I love that he's going like he didn't test or
Speaker 4: do anything at the combine.
Speaker 7: I like that he's going to the draft.
Speaker 1: We'll just wait at the finish line. Absolutely. But if
Speaker 1: you're him angry, no, I mean I think it's he
Speaker 1: didn't need to prove much. We know he's good.
Speaker 3: Finally in the news, anything down about that draft next week,
Speaker 3: that's a plug.
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy reportedly just didn't respond at all, so eventually
Speaker 5: they had to take it back.
Speaker 1: You as a potential future of the Patriots. Is that
Speaker 1: a red flag for you? Is that la Raville Magnivi.
Speaker 7: Now that is not ghosts.
Speaker 1: I'm a little under concerned he left him on red
Speaker 1: that was on the Yeah. Pro Football Talk wrote that.
Speaker 5: The only notable player here was like Darius Robinson of Missouri.
Speaker 5: It shows you what the NFL thinks in terms of
Speaker 5: like that was a player that a lot of people
Speaker 5: did not think. Where it's going in the first round
Speaker 5: and he's one of the thirteen.
Speaker 6: But are they reaching out to people to you don't
Speaker 6: want him sitting there as the one of the one
Speaker 6: guy out of thirteen that's not.
Speaker 5: Well, they might have a higher opinion of where he
Speaker 5: whoever they is, might have a higher opinion of where
Speaker 5: he's going than like the consensus Centeville draft boards. So
Speaker 5: that that name stuck out to me as like, wow,
Speaker 5: he's he's going to be there because the rest you
Speaker 5: expect to be top fifteen to twenty picks.
Speaker 3: Finally, in the news, OJ Simpson is dead, the former
Speaker 3: running back legendary Bills running back who later became a
Speaker 3: figure that went well beyond football, died at seventy six
Speaker 3: years old after about with cancer, and I think it's
Speaker 3: worthy that even though this happened a few days ago,
Speaker 3: it didn't line up with our show release. I think
Speaker 3: it's where they we talk about for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 3: First of all, this around the NFL and OJ Simpson
Speaker 3: as a football player was one of the most.
Speaker 1: Popular and beloved players in the history of the league.
Speaker 3: He ran for two thousand yards, the first guy to
Speaker 3: ever do that in a fourteen game season. And we
Speaker 3: have a lot of listeners that are either a too
Speaker 3: young to know what went down in the mid nineties
Speaker 3: around O. J. Simpson or or not from this country
Speaker 3: and don't understand what O. J. Simpson and the murder
Speaker 3: case and the subsequent trial, what that was about in
Speaker 3: this country, and that became the biggest story really of
Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties. And when they talk about trial of
Speaker 3: the century, you hear that thrown up around a lot,
Speaker 3: but that really was the trial of the century and
Speaker 3: everything around it. So the idea marked that OJ now
Speaker 3: is gone thirty years after he was acquitted of that
Speaker 3: double is certainly a noteworthy and was a major figure.
Speaker 3: And like where we are ages, yes, you know, we
Speaker 3: have a totally different outlook and viewpoint on everything. So
Speaker 3: now that he's gone thirty years later, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 6: I'll just hit like a couple, like you know, this
Speaker 6: was one of the more personal news stories because it
Speaker 6: was as like cable television was becoming like the thing.
Speaker 6: And I'll never forget I really wanted to be a
Speaker 6: journalist back then and be in sports. And it's kind
Speaker 6: of forgotten that when it happened during the Knicks, he
Speaker 6: knicks like rockets car chase, right, the car chase is
Speaker 6: unfolding that in La. There were people once it kind
Speaker 6: of got going lined up on the streets with like
Speaker 6: poster board signage I'm supporting, Like everyone just thought that
Speaker 6: OJ was under duress and probably fine, and then like.
Speaker 1: The choice is loose and things like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this was like a twenty four hour a
Speaker 6: day news story which was interrupted for nothing and they
Speaker 6: had to throw it at one point from a sports
Speaker 6: angle to Bob Costas, who was covering the NBA coverage,
Speaker 6: and you guy, I had hours and hours and hours
Speaker 6: of tape of OJ in like fun OJ mode back
Speaker 6: when he hosted NFL Live with Bob Costas.
Speaker 1: They became very good friends.
Speaker 6: This is this is weird, but I was actually working
Speaker 6: at that summer camp during all this, and I was
Speaker 6: home when all of the chase happened, camp happens, I
Speaker 6: went back to work.
Speaker 1: I went back to work, but I had and i'll
Speaker 1: I have two little more things.
Speaker 6: But like I had this phone card because back then
Speaker 6: you just you know, I had the pay phone there
Speaker 6: and my friend Peter Acton back in like watching the news.
Speaker 6: I would call him for like an hour a day
Speaker 6: to get updates on what was happening with the trials
Speaker 6: for the rest of the summer.
Speaker 1: And I never got charged on this card I called
Speaker 1: the magic card. And then I was going to American University.
Speaker 6: The following special was like I made hundreds of hours
Speaker 6: of calls and I went to American University. And fast
Speaker 6: forward one year when the on October third, nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 6: when the verdict came down, and there were people there
Speaker 6: was like we could think we know what's going to happen,
Speaker 6: but we don't. And I was in this gigantic student
Speaker 6: center and the verdict came down and it was a
Speaker 6: show falcking verdict and then the lights went out in
Speaker 6: the student center and it was like a windowless gigantic
Speaker 6: conference type room. And like the lights went out, went
Speaker 6: down with hundreds of people in there, screaming, shouting, and
Speaker 6: it was like a totally pitch dark room the world.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember that. Then a week later I.
Speaker 6: Got a bill that channeled from like at and T
Speaker 6: back to my parents' house and they sent it to me,
Speaker 6: and it was like for about fourteen hundred dollars in
Speaker 6: phone charges that I was being charged for two years later,
Speaker 6: sows I digress. But there was a lot of weird
Speaker 6: moments back then because people tracked this story like no
Speaker 6: other story.
Speaker 1: The bill always comes, it comes due, and it can't
Speaker 1: do sort of not really for him.
Speaker 5: That documentary the five parter oj made in America, Oh
Speaker 5: my god.
Speaker 1: Got to check it out if you're curious about this.
Speaker 5: It was so good, so good, and it was great
Speaker 5: perspective for us or for for me about everything before that. Yes,
Speaker 5: about who he was and what he you know, and
Speaker 5: I knew him more as like the guy from the
Speaker 5: Naked Gun more than anything. I mean, I knew he
Speaker 5: was like an NFL great, but that puts it on
Speaker 5: perspective in the perspective of the country. It's one of
Speaker 5: the best documentaries I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: That's how I look back at it now as an
Speaker 3: older person, as a fourteen fifteen year old, when it
Speaker 3: happened three thousand miles away in the suburbs of New York,
Speaker 3: like it just it looked like it couldn't have been
Speaker 3: a more open and shut case. This was a man
Speaker 3: that was a horrific abuser of his wife and there
Speaker 3: was a mountain of evidence. It's like, obviously he's guilty.
Speaker 3: But it turned out how the long shadow of Rodney
Speaker 3: King in this city and how that came to directly
Speaker 3: connect to this case and the lack of justice for
Speaker 3: Rodney King, and how that impacted the black community, King
Speaker 3: and his family, how that then led to in the
Speaker 3: opinion of many, Nicole Brown and Ronald Golden not getting
Speaker 3: justice because of the way the anger that's still in
Speaker 3: the lack of trust around the LAPD.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: You learned so much about the country and the issues
Speaker 3: that are part of this country since we started, how
Speaker 3: it went on so for our generation Rodney King and
Speaker 3: OJ or for what a younger generation with George Floyd
Speaker 3: was about, where it's like, wow, this is continues to
Speaker 3: be a big part of what our country is about,
Speaker 3: and it's underneath everything, and it's you know, it was
Speaker 3: as big as it get. It's the biggest story of
Speaker 3: our lifetime really, I mean outside maybe nine to eleven obviously.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was nine when all of that was happening,
Speaker 4: so I didn't have First of all, I didn't have
Speaker 4: a great frame of reference as far as Oj as
Speaker 4: like the player, like Greg mentioned, I was.
Speaker 7: I knew that he was a legendary figure. I had
Speaker 7: watched him in like commercials and movies and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But for me, just like looking back on everything, it
Speaker 4: just feels so gross how a double murder became pop
Speaker 4: culture and like for so many people.
Speaker 7: And it just had a life of its own.
Speaker 1: I also was.
Speaker 5: Taken just that he was this figure that was, you know,
Speaker 5: because of what he did and in the trial was
Speaker 5: a larger than life in a way that's hard to describe.
Speaker 1: And yet here he is when he dies, and it.
Speaker 5: Is just really interesting to hear the like sort of
Speaker 5: the different reactions the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You know,
Speaker 5: you can still go and you can look at OJ
Speaker 5: Simpson's bus. It's up there. They flew their flag at
Speaker 5: half mass for OJ Simpson. They released the statement just
Speaker 5: about his life. Didn't mention the trials in the statement
Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills. You know who he's really associated with,
Speaker 5: didn't say anything, you know, didn't didn't really statement, they
Speaker 5: didn't do anything. His name is still up there though
Speaker 5: you go to the stadium, it's up there in the
Speaker 5: wall of fame. So and I don't even have like
Speaker 5: a judgment or like a hot take on that. It's
Speaker 5: just it's kind of crazy to think that all these
Speaker 5: years later and then that a lot of the reaction
Speaker 5: I feel like to him Dine was like silence at
Speaker 5: least from the people, like from organizations and stuff. I
Speaker 5: don't think there is a right answer, but it was
Speaker 5: interesting to see how different places approached.
Speaker 3: Him and the thirty years just to kind of underline
Speaker 3: it thirty years after, like you know, the frustration for
Speaker 3: many people. So he got away with it, but like
Speaker 3: also to know a little more like who oj was.
Speaker 3: He was such a gregarious, outgoing personality that everyone loved.
Speaker 3: He was, you know, maybe the first black athlete in
Speaker 3: this country who was kind of accepted in like corporate America.
Speaker 3: Madison Avenue. For him to live in this like purgatory
Speaker 3: for the last thirty years and be seen by many
Speaker 3: as a villain and a ghoul. He would he ran
Speaker 3: away from the civil judgment, ended up going to Vegas
Speaker 3: to escape that in Florida escape having to pay the
Speaker 3: Goldman and Brown families. But he kind of led the
Speaker 3: rest of his life as a you know, kind of
Speaker 3: a grotesque curiosity to people. And while I don't think
Speaker 3: that's true justice, I think that for him, that probably
Speaker 3: was a pretty terrible way to end the rest of
Speaker 3: his days. So Oj Simpson, seventy six years old, let's
Speaker 3: take a break, right, Welcome back. So, yes, the draft
Speaker 3: is coming up in a week and a half and
Speaker 3: we're trying to give you every angle on this thing.
Speaker 3: We're going to have more experts in the field a
Speaker 3: little later in the week, but from our vantage point,
Speaker 3: let's talk about some guys as we're doing the research
Speaker 3: that we're fascinated by.
Speaker 1: That's how I think that's powerful. In fact, this segment
Speaker 1: is called.
Speaker 3: I Love Them Fascinating Players of the twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: NFL Draft, and that is the voice of Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: He was referring to wide receiver Lad McConkey, but that's
Speaker 3: not where Mark is going here.
Speaker 1: So let's start it out with the sess doog. Who's
Speaker 1: got you fascinated?
Speaker 6: I wanted to go defense because we've focused on a
Speaker 6: lot of qbs in the top ten picks here, and
Speaker 6: there's probab building like one defensive guy in there, and
Speaker 6: a bunch of wide receivers. I started to look at
Speaker 6: edge rushers and Florida State's Jared Verse six foot four,
Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty four pounds, he just looks like
Speaker 6: an old school football.
Speaker 1: Say that again. I'm writing the six y four no No.
Speaker 1: His name Jared Verse, Jared v E R s E.
Speaker 1: I love him, Senior. This guy just why.
Speaker 6: There's one clip that I'll like I will send out
Speaker 6: at some point where he bull rushes like a three
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty pound left tackle when they were playing
Speaker 6: Louisville and like basically like takes this guy and throws
Speaker 6: him like a child back and back on his feet
Speaker 6: and finds a way to shove the three hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty pound left tackle into the quarterback, grabs both of them,
Speaker 6: throws him to the ground.
Speaker 1: And he's doing this all the time.
Speaker 6: I know that he's not looked at the number one
Speaker 6: as the number one edge guy right now, But I
Speaker 6: think he's a total punisher. He is just intensity, he's
Speaker 6: got speed, he gets around tackles that with these traits,
Speaker 6: Like there's moments when he's sacking like a quarterback. Sometimes
Speaker 6: you see guys that need to use if they're smaller,
Speaker 6: they're a quarnerback, they need us their body at full force.
Speaker 6: He's able to use his hands just to drag guys
Speaker 6: to the ground. And I think that you look at
Speaker 6: like quarterbacks over and over on some of these clips,
Speaker 6: he's coming from the blind side and he destroys them
Speaker 6: and the ball is separated from them. They're thrown to earth,
Speaker 6: and I think it changes the game. And I think
Speaker 6: that he could go right away become one of the
Speaker 6: more terrifying guys at the position if he can stay
Speaker 6: healthy and pick up from him.
Speaker 3: He is ranked fourteenth in the Daniel Jeremiah most recent
Speaker 3: NFL Draft prospect.
Speaker 7: And the second best edge rusher, right behind Dallas Turner.
Speaker 7: A lot of people have them one and two.
Speaker 6: I think that depends what teams how they would want
Speaker 6: to use them, because I watched a little Turner, but
Speaker 6: Jared versus just more of my type.
Speaker 1: Of play, and I think that.
Speaker 3: It's going to be very interesting how this first round
Speaker 3: plays out because all of the top ten really is
Speaker 3: going to be dominated by offensive players. So when does
Speaker 3: that defensive run start. Who's the first team to take
Speaker 3: a defensive player? We will see if Verse now the
Speaker 3: Falcons as an example, Yeah, they have not had a
Speaker 3: premium edge rusher of notes since Johnbraham, So maybe he
Speaker 3: he fits that in Mold, but there are many teams,
Speaker 3: In fact, most teams looking for a big time edge.
Speaker 1: Rusher, and Verse might fit the book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he seems like a complicated one because he's he
Speaker 5: wins by his strength and mine's connected.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just transition to it. I love Liatu
Speaker 1: latu damn. Probably like you know what, sorry.
Speaker 5: Content Census Sports might be the third defensive end or
Speaker 5: third edge guy, which seems a little shocking to meet Verse.
Speaker 1: He's exciting.
Speaker 5: He's actually the type of guy I usually like, which
Speaker 5: it's like it's all about strength, but it's a little
Speaker 5: worries So when it's when you're two hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: pounds and you're all about strength, like, is that kinna work?
Speaker 1: Like? Maybe not?
Speaker 5: As Like he's also twenty three years old, so's a
Speaker 5: lot to but lotsu story is just so crazy that
Speaker 5: he literally really could have played in the Premiership for
Speaker 5: professional rugby, thought about it that he was that good,
Speaker 5: decided not to do it. Probably is getting taken so
Speaker 5: late because he had to medically retire for a year
Speaker 5: because of a neck injury that knocked him out, So
Speaker 5: he was out of football for two entire years. And
Speaker 5: so I get it that maybe you're not going to
Speaker 5: go in the top five or the top ten because
Speaker 5: of the medical issues. But when you just watch him,
Speaker 5: he just seems like he's the best defensive player in
Speaker 5: the draft. It seems insane to me, Like the types
Speaker 5: of moves that he has is like, and he's twenty
Speaker 5: three years old, so's first, they're both a little older
Speaker 5: in terms of prospects, so you want him to be
Speaker 5: a little more refined or whatever. But it's just like
Speaker 5: a walking pass rush like led the college football in
Speaker 5: pass rush win rate, like does everything.
Speaker 1: He just looks like to me, like a TJ.
Speaker 5: Watt, Maybe not as explosive, but just like that he
Speaker 5: would step in there and I'm almost surprised, But who am.
Speaker 1: I Like, Yeah, I look at Greg Roosendal. Damn it,
Speaker 1: I get it, But I look at like the beast.
Speaker 5: Dane Brugler is great on the athletic and he has
Speaker 5: him third and he has him as a below verse
Speaker 5: as like a late first or to a seven typeic.
Speaker 5: So maybe I'm totally off base, but I look at him,
Speaker 5: it's like, that's the guy I freaking want. He looks
Speaker 5: incredible to me. And it's just the injury thing, which
Speaker 5: you know you're gonna be worried about. But he was
Speaker 5: on a recruiting staff in Washington where it was him
Speaker 5: the top three recruits was Pukinakua, Trent McDuffie and him.
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, they went two for two. I feel
Speaker 5: like it's gonna be three for three. But he might
Speaker 5: end up being the third guy.
Speaker 4: And taken after the way that he passed Rushes, like,
Speaker 4: it's not just speed, it's so much skill that he has.
Speaker 4: And at his size, what he's six ' five to
Speaker 4: sixty five, he moves like such a smaller player, almost
Speaker 4: like a like a wide receiver kind of does. And yeah,
Speaker 4: he won two rugby national championships. I actually talked to
Speaker 4: him when he was on Great.
Speaker 1: You mentioned him on this show. I think once, yeah,
Speaker 1: he took him for was it on?
Speaker 5: I would not either, Yeah, it would have been How
Speaker 5: would I have Notell Nuggets?
Speaker 1: I watch every Colleen episode, so I.
Speaker 7: Knew obviously, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Butthing what else happened on that episode? Laughs were had
Speaker 3: and analysis was a plenty.
Speaker 7: That's that's a great descriptor that's good.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the fact that he was told he would
Speaker 4: never play football again after suffering that neck injury at
Speaker 4: Washington and then he was cleared by u c l
Speaker 4: A won Pac twelve Defensive Player of the Year last season.
Speaker 7: He's sixteenth on Daniel.
Speaker 4: Jeremiah's big board, like he is a Bob Marley fan,
Speaker 4: So there's no character concerns there.
Speaker 7: Well, it might be other concerns, not for me if
Speaker 7: I'm the GM.
Speaker 5: There was a little sprinkling of like, is is this
Speaker 5: a little sprinkling out there of like.
Speaker 6: Not that?
Speaker 1: How much is this guy of football? I was like,
Speaker 1: how much more do you want him to love football?
Speaker 5: He literally was told like he shouldn't ever play again
Speaker 5: because of a neck injury, and he decides to pass
Speaker 5: up pro rugby too. It's like that's the ultimate you
Speaker 5: love football. True, don't love the neck. Don't love a
Speaker 5: neck injury.
Speaker 1: That's concerning, But he didn't way two years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no injuries and he's been medically cleared.
Speaker 1: And I'll use an example.
Speaker 3: You could there are many examples in the past with
Speaker 3: players that come out of college with injury question marks
Speaker 3: and it leads to them fall a little bit down
Speaker 3: the board, and then you go and you grab them
Speaker 3: and you might end up with Rob Gronkowski in a
Speaker 3: good case, or you could end up with I don't know,
Speaker 3: d Milner in a bad case.
Speaker 1: You just it's a bit of a gamble that you take.
Speaker 3: And he would count, I would think as a gamble there,
Speaker 3: but certainly has a skill set and the desire right.
Speaker 1: Polynesian Football Player of the Year. I like those dude.
Speaker 1: Those guys are built tough, all Asians. They almost it's
Speaker 1: fun to men too when men were men. Whatever happened
Speaker 1: to Gary Cooper?
Speaker 5: But check out Polynesia that's been directed when it was
Speaker 5: in Hawaii, happened to have stayed at a house that
Speaker 5: was less than a mile away from the Polynesian.
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. No way, it just it felt like, you.
Speaker 6: Know, so, I'm all about ball so you went like
Speaker 6: this said, such an easy hop, skip and a jump
Speaker 6: to go visit it.
Speaker 1: I sort of did. I did, actually, but not on purpose.
Speaker 1: On some level.
Speaker 5: We went and there was just like a variety of
Speaker 5: stores and shaved ice and some food in the same
Speaker 5: complex that it was a put since we were there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: took a spin through the rock. Inductee of the twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: You gotta put in Johnson, Gotta put in Johnson.
Speaker 4: You see baiscahamma in there probably was I'm to put
Speaker 4: gotta put him in. Yeah, all right, Conda Europe right there? Uh,
Speaker 4: Terry On Arnold, I love I'd wait it out.
Speaker 5: Or maybe he was just like the their player of
Speaker 5: the year. I I don't even remember. I'm just kidding
Speaker 5: Dolphins fans, Jesus, all.
Speaker 4: Right, this guy's not going in the Polynesian Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Terry On Arnold love him cornerback front. I love Alabama.
Speaker 4: He he's really good, really talented.
Speaker 3: I'd just say one second, damn it, we want to
Speaker 3: interrupt it is It is a char to speak on
Speaker 3: this show, But can I just say, Mark, the reason
Speaker 3: one of the reasons I love you is I don't
Speaker 3: know too many people that.
Speaker 1: Can I hear that again. You can interrupt all you
Speaker 1: want if you're going on this road. Yeah, let's hear it.
Speaker 3: I love him that that's that that tone, I sound
Speaker 3: like a child, you sound like someone that's that's a
Speaker 3: sensitive that's coming from a real place.
Speaker 6: Well it was, it was after a moment of trying
Speaker 6: to passion. You kind of were like, in a playful way,
Speaker 6: ribbing me because of he's not Polynesian either.
Speaker 1: No, well he got Zack Xenter All Star.
Speaker 7: Yeah and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good. We're all
Speaker 7: good now you sure we got it all out?
Speaker 1: Okay, good.
Speaker 7: So let me tell you about Terry on Arnold.
Speaker 1: I apologize. I love him. God, I'm done leave it.
Speaker 4: So I would say Arian Arnold has the absolute best
Speaker 4: personality in the entire draft, and I will die on
Speaker 4: that hill, like I don't even it's close. He is
Speaker 4: to me a total showman, but he doesn't try. He
Speaker 4: is unintentionally so funny. And then on top of it,
Speaker 4: he has almost Dion vibes, like he's really good, and
Speaker 4: he has this like confidence that doesn't come off as
Speaker 4: like rubbing you the wrong way either. It's like a
Speaker 4: very special charismatic way he has about him and I've
Speaker 4: listened to so many interviews with him. We also had
Speaker 4: him on Good Morning Football and he I wish that
Speaker 4: we could have talked to him for all three hours
Speaker 4: because he was just such a fun hang like, he
Speaker 4: was really really cool. He's been rising up draft boards
Speaker 4: and honestly common man rankings too, right, because he spent
Speaker 4: summers working with his granddad at a roofing company all
Speaker 4: over North Florida's you're talking about like Florida in the summer.
Speaker 4: He said that he learned discipline, structure, consistency, persistence, and
Speaker 4: that he didn't want to be a roofer, so he
Speaker 4: was like, I am all in on football.
Speaker 7: He is also like just really easy.
Speaker 5: Second place in terms of workplace fatalities as a preferred danger.
Speaker 7: Survived.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, that just goes to show
Speaker 4: you that he's someone who will take risks and he
Speaker 4: is responsible and he has maybe faced some adversity and
Speaker 4: gotten through it.
Speaker 7: But he's also super easy to root for.
Speaker 4: Max Preps put out this tweet that he went back
Speaker 4: to his high school to give his janitor this Christmas gift,
Speaker 4: which was his jersey because his janitor had asked him
Speaker 4: when he was in high school to give him his jersey,
Speaker 4: and he thought that like the janitor maybe forgot, So
Speaker 4: he went back and visited the school, visited his janitor,
Speaker 4: brought some gifts for him for Christmas. Like he seems
Speaker 4: like a really great, good, fun, genuine guy. He comes
Speaker 4: from a good, big family, he said, taught him to
Speaker 4: kind of like never be late because if you're late,
Speaker 4: then like you got your last pick in terms of
Speaker 4: like the resources and dinner and.
Speaker 7: Seats and like whatever else house.
Speaker 1: I know exactly.
Speaker 7: I was actually thinking about Wes when he was talking
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 1: Although wrestling mother would just toss the steak down the steps, right.
Speaker 7: Down the basement. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Tied to a brick here to a brick Africa. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm freeg by this person. We should get them, get
Speaker 1: them on the show.
Speaker 7: You should, Oh my gosh, you guys would love them.
Speaker 5: Will Will either be the first or likely the second cornerback,
Speaker 5: taking either him or Bunya and Mitchell from Leo ran
Speaker 5: a little bit of a slow forty I think had yeah,
Speaker 5: but I think he seems concerned a little bit those
Speaker 5: Alabama guys, though not to paint with a brad brush.
Speaker 1: They just seem like they come out as like pros.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well they're like they'll come in as pros
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, very realized. I agree with that.
Speaker 6: I think I'll you watch his tapes stealing with like
Speaker 6: LSU have the time in like real schools. Like he's
Speaker 6: he played top competition and like he had what seventeen
Speaker 6: passes defense like five picks, Like he's a rugged dude.
Speaker 1: He doesn't miss tackles. Anybody been up on a roof lately?
Speaker 1: But see truck drivers, Greg, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of face.
Speaker 5: I was wrong as they fall asleep, Like if you
Speaker 5: all asleep on a roof, that's not just inherently dangerous.
Speaker 5: Time logging dogging workers is actually already even higher roofers
Speaker 5: Number two been up on.
Speaker 1: A roof lately?
Speaker 3: No, not lately, Oh yeah about once every six months
Speaker 3: or so every year around Chris, the gutters, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? Not a gutter's issue because we don't have
Speaker 3: a tree above the property. But I do have Christmas
Speaker 3: lights I put up. I also I had to go
Speaker 3: up there to put the uh you have to put
Speaker 3: the it's like a cage you put on top of
Speaker 3: the chimney. Yeah, And if you want to get an
Speaker 3: idea of your how fragile your mortality is, get up
Speaker 3: on the roof and you realize immediately I have like
Speaker 3: a twenty percent chance to die right now.
Speaker 1: This is how it's gonna happen coast when you'd have
Speaker 1: to go shovel snow off your What am I doing
Speaker 1: up here? This is extremely dangerous. Happened to Gary.
Speaker 6: Maybe Clemson will send you a second football for this
Speaker 6: handiwork that you're that you've successfully pulled off.
Speaker 1: Now what's on the radar?
Speaker 4: And I was in high school. The room that I
Speaker 4: had in the house that I grew up in had
Speaker 4: like it was in the back of the house. It
Speaker 4: was the only one and there was like a little
Speaker 4: bit of roof and there.
Speaker 7: Was a fence all to the side. It was the
Speaker 7: escape patch.
Speaker 4: And it was also like a meeting spot, so like
Speaker 4: people like it was like people would come and visit
Speaker 4: me at the window, hair knocking on my window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that how the boy that was holding onto
Speaker 1: your car as you drove away?
Speaker 7: No, that was college.
Speaker 1: I have one.
Speaker 3: But here listen, you don't want to hear from me
Speaker 3: you want to hear from someone who watch and loves it.
Speaker 1: He lives and breathes it.
Speaker 3: Caved, He's a little bit, he's a wild card, but
Speaker 3: he will give you information that is sometimes just spot on.
Speaker 3: So I put a call out to the west side
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati and track down Brad Spice, known.
Speaker 6: As the spice Rack pepper Mill out there. He's not
Speaker 6: gonna be happy with that, a spiceler Spicer, but you've
Speaker 6: given him a nickna. Potentially he gets it. Spice Rack.
Speaker 6: Let's hear from the great Brad Spicer.
Speaker 8: Hey there, everybody. Dan Hansen wants me to introduce myself
Speaker 8: as if you don't already know Son, it's the.
Speaker 5: Spice Rack.
Speaker 1: Off the Mount Patty video is a choice, all right,
Speaker 1: Zeus wants.
Speaker 8: Me to give you three videos, three names, but you
Speaker 8: know what I'm coming with, seven names, deal with it.
Speaker 8: My first guy's Quinon Mitchell. Never heard of him quite
Speaker 8: honestly before two months ago.
Speaker 1: But he's a.
Speaker 8: First round corner, like a mid first rounder, a corner
Speaker 8: from the Mid American conference.
Speaker 9: The one thing I did was I looked up to
Speaker 9: see if he's like sixty.
Speaker 8: Four or something, and he's a project. Then it's okay,
Speaker 8: maybe he could bust, but he's six foot. I saw
Speaker 8: that he has long arms, but six foot one ninety,
Speaker 8: he's not a physical specimen the Saint Sauce gardener. But
Speaker 8: if you if you're gonna go mid first is a
Speaker 8: corner from the Mid American Conference.
Speaker 9: You got my vote.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 9: You're gonna have a serious chip on your shoulder. Once
Speaker 9: a walk on, always walk on.
Speaker 8: You know, Baker Mayfield walked on at Texas Tech and Oklahoma,
Speaker 8: and uh, while not the best quarterback, certainly someone you
Speaker 8: can go to war with.
Speaker 7: There's seven of these.
Speaker 9: I don't know. I don't know if this one went
Speaker 9: too long, don't edit me.
Speaker 5: That ends strong, except for the forty five second detour
Speaker 5: to Baker, which sort of seemed to disprove his point.
Speaker 3: Toledo cornerback Quinion Mitchell from I call this spice channel.
Speaker 3: By the way, this is a that's good. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we just threw it to spice channel. It's a ring
Speaker 3: to it, which you know, if you know, you know
Speaker 3: one of those things.
Speaker 5: I'm with Spicy on the logic though, to be to
Speaker 5: be that small and from Toledo, and he I think
Speaker 5: he's going to be the first cornerback I think he's
Speaker 5: likely to be.
Speaker 1: You have to be an incredible, incredible player. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break and we'll go through another round.
Speaker 7: Welcome back to draft Corner.
Speaker 1: Very nice, good really on the spots.
Speaker 3: You're a broadcaster, That's what it is. All right, let's
Speaker 3: go around the horn again. We've heard from everyone in
Speaker 3: the room. I deferred to Spice Rack, who I thought
Speaker 3: it was a pretty good start. Great start, Yeah, great start.
Speaker 3: The Spice channel is up and running here on atn Mark.
Speaker 3: Let's hear somebody else.
Speaker 6: Here is someone that I know someone else in the
Speaker 6: room has a fascination with two in Greg Cooper Dejan
Speaker 6: cornerback from Iowa.
Speaker 1: I love him.
Speaker 6: This dude is interesting, Like I'm not sure where he'll go.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking kind of like something. I think the Colts
Speaker 6: are a good target in the mid mid first round.
Speaker 1: Is that a Is that a little Mark Sessler mock
Speaker 1: draftees right there? It might be coming up next week.
Speaker 1: It might be he is.
Speaker 6: I just think he is like an incredible athlete that
Speaker 6: does all sorts of stuff in today's NFL.
Speaker 1: He also offers incredible return skills. But I just want
Speaker 1: to read this.
Speaker 6: Nick Bonggardner from The Athletic went and kind of did
Speaker 6: a feature on this guy, and I just want to
Speaker 6: read the opening paragraph.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear.
Speaker 6: This pulled me in in western Iowa along State Highway
Speaker 6: one seventy five sits a town of about nine hundred people.
Speaker 6: There's a bowling alley and a drive in restaurant. Ode Bolt, Iowa,
Speaker 6: is named after a Frenchman who lived alone more than
Speaker 6: one hundred years ago along the creek that runs through
Speaker 6: the village. It once was known but apparently no longer
Speaker 6: holds the crown as the popcorn center of the world.
Speaker 6: It's about seventy miles away from both the Missouri River
Speaker 6: and absolutely nothing. It's also home to a unique prospect
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, Iowa defensive back
Speaker 6: Cooper Degene. If you watch this guy, I just would
Speaker 6: believe this is kind of like I just want on
Speaker 6: my team. If it's like I know this, the Steelers
Speaker 6: want to go get Conky of cornerbacks, but the.
Speaker 1: Steelers gonna get him or the Ravens or something. But
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 6: He is so fun to watch and I get it,
Speaker 6: like cornerbacks are just thorough coming to like different shapes
Speaker 6: and sizes. But I don't know if he's if he's
Speaker 6: necessarily like big enough, strong enough, or has the movement
Speaker 6: skills in some ways, like the lateral movement to do
Speaker 6: what he needs to do. But I see evidence of
Speaker 6: a guy who can contribute in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 5: I think he does, and I think, uh, you gotta
Speaker 5: look yourself in the mirror. But I think people will
Speaker 5: immediately be like, Oh, is he gonna move to safety?
Speaker 5: He played nickel. It's like this guy was one of
Speaker 5: the most explosive playmaking cornerbacks in college football for for years.
Speaker 5: In the first your first instincts, though, maybe move him
Speaker 5: to safety. Look at the mirror, bro a little profile,
Speaker 5: a little profilely going on with Cooper Dizinees.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I listen to one little thing to John every time
Speaker 7: I see his name, I.
Speaker 6: Know one little thing like this is the kind of
Speaker 6: athlete is like He scored over eighteen hundred points in
Speaker 6: basketball in high school through seventy eight touchdowns as a quarterback,
Speaker 6: won a state title in track in the one hundred
Speaker 6: meters dash, and in baseball was a.
Speaker 1: Pitcher who had like a two hitters a year. He
Speaker 1: never stopped playing sports.
Speaker 5: Reminds me a little of Kyle Hamilton. I feel like
Speaker 5: there's some guys in every draft. It's like that every
Speaker 5: that the that the NL overthinks like that everyone agrees
Speaker 5: on is great and then for some reason goes for
Speaker 5: Aaron Donald was kind of one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is crazy. I didn't everybody knows. You don't
Speaker 3: see a lot of white quarterbacks in the league. Not
Speaker 3: since Jason Seahorn, who retired in two thousand and three,
Speaker 3: has there been a white quarterback who consistently played the position.
Speaker 1: And could he be a first rounder? Is he? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think they're sea Horn was the second rounder, so
Speaker 1: that profile would indicate he'd be a very high pick.
Speaker 1: And I think you will. He'll be around her, but
Speaker 1: you know he's getting him out.
Speaker 6: The appults over and over Cooper dejene Iowa cornerback Gregy.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's a tough choice. Powers seems like one of
Speaker 5: those guys everyone's overthinking too. I feel like we're gonna
Speaker 5: hit Drake May so hard, and I love Drake May
Speaker 5: and so in terms of just having that feeling that
Speaker 5: Mark has about that's me and Drake that the Patriots.
Speaker 5: But for this assignment, I think Michael Pennox is a
Speaker 5: better choice because he's just I love him, fascinating prospect,
Speaker 5: like a guy who was, you know, in college forever
Speaker 5: like six years. I mean, it's a little outrageous how
Speaker 5: long he was in college. So I get that he's
Speaker 5: older than everyone, but incredibly consistent and the type of
Speaker 5: guy that I feel like, if it was two thousand
Speaker 5: and five, would maybe be the first or the second quarterback.
Speaker 5: And we're just like looking for different things now, like
Speaker 5: just throwing the ball, and I know he's built very
Speaker 5: different and.
Speaker 1: There's a million things that are different.
Speaker 5: It almost reminds me of like Carson Palmer when he
Speaker 5: came out and just people were just like, my god,
Speaker 5: look at that and throw a football like this man
Speaker 5: was born to throw a football.
Speaker 1: And that's Michael Pennix, except he's a lefty.
Speaker 5: And I was expecting, because of all the knocks on
Speaker 5: him and why he's not gonna necessarily go in the
Speaker 5: first round or everything, that he'd be a total stiff.
Speaker 1: But he's not. Like he can move.
Speaker 5: He can make throws on the run, and I do
Speaker 5: think all the negatives that he has, Like you saw
Speaker 5: him in the college football semi final dispel all that
Speaker 5: and people can say, well, that was one game, but
Speaker 5: it's like, if you can do that in one game
Speaker 5: and you have NFL training and we you know you
Speaker 5: have that potential. It's the kind of how people overthought
Speaker 5: c J. Stroud last year, saying like he doesn't do
Speaker 5: enough playmaking. He's like you saw in that one game.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud.
Speaker 5: I just think like leadership, mental toughness, all the intangibles
Speaker 5: are supposedly off the charts, and he's a guy who
Speaker 5: just I think if you asked all thirty two gms,
Speaker 5: just like in the pocket, who throws the craziest ball
Speaker 5: down the field, the furthest the prettiest, It's Michael Pennix.
Speaker 5: And so to me, I'm just curious, like what kind
Speaker 5: of career he's gonna have because he just feels like
Speaker 5: he's he's boom or bust. But if he ends up
Speaker 5: on a team like the Raiders, he could be playing
Speaker 5: right right away. And he just seems like a fascinating guy.
Speaker 5: And maybe they're seeing things that I don't see. And
Speaker 5: I know he's a little erratic with the accuracy here
Speaker 5: and there, but for the most part, like seems like
Speaker 5: he's got what you would want.
Speaker 6: He fits the Raiders, and I just don't care if
Speaker 6: he's like a year older than someone else, like if
Speaker 6: he's good for five years, like the Raiders have been
Speaker 6: waiting for that for an eon and plus.
Speaker 1: So what's like, It's that I don't I know that
Speaker 1: we make so much such a big deal out of that.
Speaker 5: And there's that advantage because it's is it the last
Speaker 5: COVID year where you got that extra year that you
Speaker 5: could just stay because he's surprised people. He could have
Speaker 5: come out last year. He'd already played five years and
Speaker 5: he decided to come back.
Speaker 1: So we talked about injuries. Yeah, his injuries. It's so
Speaker 1: he he had four season.
Speaker 3: Ending injuries at Indiana, four before he transferred to Washington.
Speaker 1: So let me listen the games.
Speaker 3: You go up a level and the guys get bigger
Speaker 3: and faster, and you you get older, and he's not
Speaker 3: Brandon weed and old. But he turns twenty four next month,
Speaker 3: So that would be that would spook me, honestly more
Speaker 3: than anything else like that. That's that's a real concern
Speaker 3: of this durability at that position.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, in a world where Mac Jones went fifteenth,
Speaker 5: like what this guy isn't gonna go top fifteen.
Speaker 6: Go watch him with Romans INSI because like the two
Speaker 6: of them we talked about this on the Wide Receiver
Speaker 6: episode that like it just seemed like Rome's tape is
Speaker 6: like there's like four hundred and forty yard catches paired
Speaker 6: with Pennix, Like he can wing it downfield.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he profiles a little bit as a guy that
Speaker 5: you guys will get annoyed of me overrating because because
Speaker 5: he's so good at throwing the ball and that he
Speaker 5: actually settles into like a mid level starting quarterback that
Speaker 5: is up and down.
Speaker 1: But like that's that's still good.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's going to be a twenty five year
Speaker 4: old rookie, so he's going to be a little bit older.
Speaker 1: But I have twenty four. You have twenty five.
Speaker 7: I think his birthday. Check to see when his birthday is.
Speaker 1: I think he's turning twenty four. Dan almost a graveyard
Speaker 1: if you just okay, so I'm aging grade. No, he
Speaker 1: turns twenty four next month.
Speaker 7: Okay, So twenty four year old rookie.
Speaker 4: But I was talking to Lancerline about him, and he
Speaker 4: was talking about how when he watches his tape, he
Speaker 4: just he doesn't take sacks, he'll get rid of the ball.
Speaker 4: He's not really great like moving around the pocket. So
Speaker 4: those are just some of like the flags that he sees.
Speaker 4: But he's got a really strong arm, and he's really
Speaker 4: he's tough. He sounds fun and he's a good leader too.
Speaker 4: Apparently he's got a howitzer. Some people say, I actually
Speaker 4: haven't heard that. I assume at some point someone.
Speaker 5: He quoted Gino Smith on the podium after winning the
Speaker 5: pack that championship, which to me me.
Speaker 1: Greg, you had done it. You've done it.
Speaker 6: You'd convinced us with a really delightful sales job, and
Speaker 6: now you're taking it to very still places.
Speaker 3: And like Gino, he was thought widely thought to be
Speaker 3: a first round pick. Some people can go into the
Speaker 3: second round as well. So interesting, Connie, how about another one?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't initially going to go here because I
Speaker 4: feel like all we've done is talk about this guy.
Speaker 4: But legitimately this comes from a place of total fascination.
Speaker 4: I I really really am curious how Caleb Williams is
Speaker 4: going to be in the NFL coming in with the
Speaker 4: nil money, because we haven't really seen this before. We
Speaker 4: haven't seen someone make the amount of money that he
Speaker 4: has before heading into the league, going into a locker
Speaker 4: room of veteran players who a lot of which have
Speaker 4: not even made close to what Caleb Williams has made.
Speaker 4: I just don't know how it will work and if
Speaker 4: some of those egos will kind of be an issue
Speaker 4: when he does play in the NFL, like if they're
Speaker 4: not winning right away, I don't know how a locker
Speaker 4: room of like older veterans is going to take someone
Speaker 4: like Caleb Williams.
Speaker 7: And it's not this isn't Caleb's.
Speaker 1: Fault at all.
Speaker 4: It's just the way that the league has changed now
Speaker 4: with nil money in general, and this is going to
Speaker 4: be how it is going forward in general, with these
Speaker 4: drafts and with the players coming out of college. It's
Speaker 4: just a switch and a change, and I just wonder
Speaker 4: how that transition will be because it's going to be
Speaker 4: so so different, and with his personality as well, like
Speaker 4: he's a very gregarious, like very confident type of guy.
Speaker 7: You want that in your quarterback.
Speaker 4: But I just wonder if it will rub some players
Speaker 4: the wrong way, and then how that how that will
Speaker 4: kind of play out.
Speaker 1: If he can ball, I don't think any.
Speaker 7: Of it matters exactly if he wins, no problem.
Speaker 5: That what you're saying, it's it's true, reminds me a
Speaker 5: little bit of like they used to get these fifty
Speaker 5: million dollar contracts as number one overall draftics and it
Speaker 5: was awkward. It's like Sam Bradford was making way more
Speaker 5: money than anyone else on his team, and well that
Speaker 5: was ridiculous. Yeah it was, and it was crazy. But
Speaker 5: he it took me a while to actually, you know,
Speaker 5: sit down and you know watch it. Hellbows, it's like
Speaker 5: you get it. And he's to me like he can.
Speaker 5: I love him, not just every throw, but just like
Speaker 5: he knows exactly what throw to make at any time.
Speaker 5: I mean, he seems like the best prospects and Andrew Lock,
Speaker 5: like he is so good. It's just outrageous how how
Speaker 5: good he was in a tough spot too last year.
Speaker 5: That like, if he's like that, it's like Andrew Luck, like,
Speaker 5: I think you can have a million different leadership styles.
Speaker 1: If you're that good, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Very fascinating, Yeah, You just don't know. You don't know
Speaker 3: how these guys are going to be till they actually play.
Speaker 3: And look at how the first pick went in the
Speaker 3: draft last year. Not to write any eulogies, but and
Speaker 3: then you look at the second second pick, how that went.
Speaker 1: This feels as camp miss is as possible. All right,
Speaker 1: it is time. Now coast is clear. Let's flip on
Speaker 1: the old Spice.
Speaker 8: Show spice rack here for round two, and I'm gonna
Speaker 8: stick with the chip on the shoulder theme and talk
Speaker 8: about Jared Verse from Florida stated, this guy is how
Speaker 8: about that transferred in from Albany to Florida State, And okay,
Speaker 8: that's a big enough jump, But then he dominated and
Speaker 8: you know, I couldn't even tell you how he what
Speaker 8: he technically does against.
Speaker 9: The ron right, I don't know any of this stuff,
Speaker 9: but don't need it.
Speaker 8: Uh, he's got the big enough body, a big enough
Speaker 8: body to support the run and certainly can get after
Speaker 8: the passer. And again transfer from Albany. You carry that
Speaker 8: chip on your should of the rest of your life.
Speaker 8: It doesn't matter if you're the you know you're a
Speaker 8: first round pack, it does not matter at all. And
Speaker 8: on the same team at Florida State. Uh Keon Coleman.
Speaker 8: Every time I check a mock draft, a wide receiver,
Speaker 8: big and athletic, all that stuff, natural touchdown scorer.
Speaker 1: Every time I focus.
Speaker 9: See a new mock draft, he's he's.
Speaker 8: Been dropped to fortieth, fiftieth, sixty, I'm a third round
Speaker 8: or what are we talking about here?
Speaker 9: I really don't know what the issue is.
Speaker 8: If his forty's not that great, that's fine because you
Speaker 8: need to watch him once to see how athletic he is,
Speaker 8: can tort his body and all these you know, sort
Speaker 8: of a he's he's got some Mike Evans to his game,
Speaker 8: you know, not as big a physical and listen, Mike
Speaker 8: Kevin's best underrated player this entire generation.
Speaker 1: So is that silly?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 9: I don't know we'll catch touchdowns in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Hands is?
Speaker 9: How long was that video?
Speaker 1: A spice rack was a little too long, But I
Speaker 1: want to know.
Speaker 3: I think everybody wants to know. I thought the video
Speaker 3: lengthg is okay, But you kept looking behind you and
Speaker 3: we're just is he on the run someone?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 5: You said you you let him know relatively last minute
Speaker 5: about this, and he needed a little extra time and
Speaker 5: the production value is great. He's wearing an Ohio State jersey.
Speaker 5: Not for that's sure who it is, but he's on
Speaker 5: a football He seems like he's on a football field.
Speaker 5: And then yes, he's looking behind him as if there's
Speaker 5: maybe a team that wants to use the fielder.
Speaker 1: So that was the delay.
Speaker 3: He drove two hours to a football field to do
Speaker 3: these videos. Yes, he's wearing a Bengals nit cap. You
Speaker 3: can check this out on YouTube if you've always wondered
Speaker 3: what the Spice rack looks like. But I hope, I
Speaker 3: hope there's no one following him.
Speaker 6: I just say this because we spent the latter h
Speaker 6: off of last season combining on our weekly picks for
Speaker 6: NFL Media. The Sessin Spice team went roughly like seventy
Speaker 6: eight and iconic. Yeah, I think it was like seventy
Speaker 6: eight and six was our record on the stretch.
Speaker 1: Hed you guys didn't finish even in the top five
Speaker 1: out of a top.
Speaker 3: It got bad enough and I reached out internally to see, like,
Speaker 3: are these guys in last place?
Speaker 1: And the guy that runs it behind the scenes, I
Speaker 1: can't give you that info.
Speaker 6: And I was like, ooh, that well, because that would
Speaker 6: have been incorrect because, like I was also told by
Speaker 6: text on a weekly basis, like these are the most entertaining.
Speaker 6: This is like kind of the the core entertainment aspect
Speaker 6: of these picks that come out is like what you
Speaker 6: guys are cooking up? But listen, like so Jared verse,
Speaker 6: like we're we're in lockstep right there, and that's great.
Speaker 6: Spice Rack has a pretty pristine record when it comes
Speaker 6: to the prospects.
Speaker 5: And is an interesting guy that, like people thought in
Speaker 5: October was gonna be like a top fifteen pick, And yes,
Speaker 5: it has kind of become the trendy thing that like, eh,
Speaker 5: is this guy?
Speaker 1: Is he really athletic enough? Can he be?
Speaker 5: Like are you gonna have to put him in the
Speaker 5: slot because he's just like this big guy who can't
Speaker 5: win on the outside. And some of those guys haven't
Speaker 5: done well in recent years.
Speaker 1: But then again, like DK Metcalf and A. J. Brown
Speaker 1: fell to the.
Speaker 3: Bottom of the second a little fun for Mike Evans,
Speaker 3: what do you call him the most criminally underrated player
Speaker 3: of the generation? Interesting, good conversation piece, good sega idea there,
Speaker 3: Spice Rack, you didn't even know you did it?
Speaker 1: Criminal? Yeah, underrated players. That's good.
Speaker 3: Let's take a break and we will be back with
Speaker 3: one more round. All right, we're back, Uh one more time,
Speaker 3: Let's go one more time around.
Speaker 6: Go on, Mark, I'm going to save my running back
Speaker 6: stuff till later because I like a couple.
Speaker 3: When later, because we are later in the week, not today. Yeah, saying,
Speaker 3: don't bank it for later in this show, because this
Speaker 3: is it, my friend.
Speaker 1: No, no, this is I. I.
Speaker 6: Yes, we got started late. It's certainly an independent of that.
Speaker 6: It just feels like time for whenever the two of
Speaker 6: them are ready, I'll be happy to offer another player.
Speaker 6: You just let me know when when you'd like that
Speaker 6: to happen.
Speaker 1: You're finally, I'll wait. I'll wait for you to tell me.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm picking someone that probably doesn't go early in
Speaker 6: the draft at all.
Speaker 1: Like more mid rounds and like again, it's just like
Speaker 1: I don't know, you're watching.
Speaker 6: One hundreds, like mid round from the Sessil linebacker Notre
Speaker 6: Dame Marris lea Fau and like this is because I
Speaker 6: was looking at the here's how I try to dessarch players,
Speaker 6: like who is like the toughest, nastiest hitter in the
Speaker 6: entire draft, and this guy's name kept coming up over
Speaker 6: and over, so then I went and watched him, and
Speaker 6: it's another guy.
Speaker 1: It's like my old brownson.
Speaker 6: Like this guy's just gonna wind up on the Ravens
Speaker 6: or the Steelers and he'll start as like a backup
Speaker 6: rotational linebacker, but then they won't be able to keep
Speaker 6: him off the field. Like I mean, he has like
Speaker 6: an aura of complete and total ultra violence to him.
Speaker 6: The speed, it's kind of like I think the linebacker position,
Speaker 6: even like when you're young, it's like who's the kid
Speaker 6: on the team can like then suss out seeing through
Speaker 6: a bunch of bodies where the ball is, where it's going,
Speaker 6: what's happening with the play, and he has like a
Speaker 6: laser beam heat seeking ability to get to it.
Speaker 1: He is really like his speed. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: can go kind like.
Speaker 6: Wire to wire across the field if like a quarterback's
Speaker 6: trying to scramble out. I'll never forget when Johnny Manzel
Speaker 6: in one of his in his first start against the Panthers,
Speaker 6: We're watching Wesnum, We're watching it on a Sunday, and
Speaker 6: Manziell this like lauded speed guy out of college tried
Speaker 6: to get to the edge and some Carolina Panthers defender
Speaker 6: just like ran over and blew him up. And you
Speaker 6: knew that Johnny Manziel was never gonna be good in
Speaker 6: the NFL. He just you just knew it. And this
Speaker 6: guy can do that to quarterbacks, to people on the edge,
Speaker 6: like they're just something about his game and he got
Speaker 6: PFF called him the hardest hitter, and list has said
Speaker 6: that when he comes down hill, he comes downhill with
Speaker 6: bad intentions, and that's how I would label him too.
Speaker 6: He's fun to watch and he's gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 6: hard to like keep him off the field.
Speaker 1: I think if he can stick because he's not a
Speaker 1: huge guy. But he's not He's six two thirty four.
Speaker 1: He's fine. I was not familiar with this man.
Speaker 5: I went to go check Dan Brugler at the Athletic
Speaker 5: HASM as the the number fifteen linebacker projected fifth to
Speaker 5: sixth round. So this is a deep year, it is,
Speaker 5: but planting you find the number. He has him as
Speaker 5: the number two linebacker from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: I like that, but every draft you have to find
Speaker 1: people like this, right, I mean, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just like him. I want to see where he
Speaker 1: It's a.
Speaker 3: Hot and cold review from land Zierline on our NFL
Speaker 3: dot com draft profile.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt it. Like I again, I like I
Speaker 1: said these seasons violence.
Speaker 6: He's a mid round guy, but like the way he plays,
Speaker 6: he's gonna like he's The NFL is almost like scared
Speaker 6: of his playing style.
Speaker 1: I think he Mark's got that soft side. I love that.
Speaker 1: We heard in Duality of Man the sound direct, but
Speaker 1: I love him. Mark also knows violence. Loves that too, Yes,
Speaker 1: loves it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go more basic and just Rock Bowers, to me,
Speaker 5: is another guy that maybe everyone's overthinking. To me, it's
Speaker 5: just it's fascinating that like he would not go early
Speaker 5: in part because he's been so good from the minute
Speaker 5: he showed up. I mean, a guy who can show
Speaker 5: up on the national champion team and as a true
Speaker 5: freshman like dominate against Alabama and lead them to a
Speaker 5: national championship and put up numbers. And people are like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, Kyle Pitts hasn't hasn't worked out, and all
Speaker 5: these first round tight ends like that hasn't worked out.
Speaker 5: Like that's just this is from the same people that
Speaker 5: would say sample size issues when you're talking about a
Speaker 5: guy who throws ninety to one hundred packs. This is like,
Speaker 5: it's just a couple of different picks.
Speaker 3: In fairness, Greg, I don't think people are saying, after
Speaker 3: what happened last year when we had a lot of
Speaker 3: impact tight ends, come right, that's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a that narrative has been put to bed a little.
Speaker 5: Bit, okay, But I think they're pointing out that the
Speaker 5: guys are Okay, that was in the second round. You
Speaker 5: can wait and like if Sam Laporte had been a
Speaker 5: first round pick, that makes them somehow better. Just anyone
Speaker 5: that can show up and have three seasons where you're
Speaker 5: the number one target. Lad mcconkey's great in all, but
Speaker 5: like brock Bauers was their number one receiver for three
Speaker 5: straight years on an elite elite team and he produced
Speaker 5: like crazy every single season. Like why don't overthink it?
Speaker 5: Like I get the whole like contract thing of like
Speaker 5: tight ends, you're not saving as much money because if
Speaker 5: you take them twelfth, that actually is a contract that's
Speaker 5: similar to a top five to tight ten end. Like
Speaker 5: that comes into equation. It's like, but if you're right
Speaker 5: It doesn't freaking matter. You have to get the player right.
Speaker 5: That's more important than everything. And after you get pass
Speaker 5: like five, six, seven players in this draft, I don't
Speaker 5: think there's a player that you'd be more confident in
Speaker 5: is going to be a plus player.
Speaker 1: There just aren't many tight ends.
Speaker 5: He reminds me of Tony Gonzalez, because hell, aren't many
Speaker 5: tight ends that make you miss and can you can
Speaker 5: run over them. That's that's two things. You just don't
Speaker 5: see that that Like even Rob gwn Krause, he can't
Speaker 5: really make you miss. Like he can make you miss
Speaker 5: and he can run over you. That's pretty that's pretty special.
Speaker 1: Let's go to New York Jets. If the Jets took him,
Speaker 1: I think that'd be great.
Speaker 3: Well to you, Like what we're just saying is like
Speaker 3: Jets fans that are old enough, you're spooked by it
Speaker 3: because the Jets have had bad luck drafting tight ends
Speaker 3: high in their history.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because that was then,
Speaker 1: this is now.
Speaker 3: He would certainly be a scheme fit for the Jets
Speaker 3: at ten because if Rogers can play, and if you
Speaker 3: added an athletic playmaking tight end to that group, look out,
Speaker 3: they would be very different.
Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts was a special prospect, Like Bowers had more
Speaker 5: production in his freshman year than Kyle Pitts had in
Speaker 5: any of his years, and then he backed it up
Speaker 5: with everyone knowing it was coming like two straight more
Speaker 5: that I don't know it should matter.
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah has him ranked number seventh overall. Bowers Jeremiah says,
Speaker 3: and maybe we'll talk to Daniel about this reminds me
Speaker 3: a lot of George Kittle, and I see him having
Speaker 3: a similar impact in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Well, sign me up. Yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Let's just make it happen.
Speaker 4: Connie, Okay, one more, let me tell you a little
Speaker 4: bit about Rome Adoonza.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: I love him, wide receiver from Washington. And I also
Speaker 4: picked this because he's been mocked a ton at nine
Speaker 4: to Chicago. So since I talked about Caleb, these two
Speaker 4: could actually be paired together if Chicago stays in that
Speaker 4: spot at nine doesn't move back. But he uh twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three First Team All American Bolitnikoff finalist. He started
Speaker 4: d end in high school before switching over to wide
Speaker 4: receiver his junior year. He was an incredible sprinter on
Speaker 4: the track team in high school, won the four A
Speaker 4: state title in the two hundred and the four by
Speaker 4: one hundred. But I loved when Apparently when he was
Speaker 4: six years old, he created a Facebook account with all
Speaker 4: of his mom's information and for his occupation he listed
Speaker 4: quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And his mom's information the sign up. Here's the email. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I was.
Speaker 3: Thinking, we got resourceful in my eyes, kind of just
Speaker 3: need the email everything else, like you can just you've cleared.
Speaker 6: It, right.
Speaker 7: I haven't used Facebook because.
Speaker 3: He created Okay, so you create the account, but you
Speaker 3: do need an email account to thing, so you need
Speaker 3: to go you have to travel off site to activate
Speaker 3: with the link.
Speaker 4: Got it?
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 4: Rome also spent summers on his grandfather's dairy farm, tall
Speaker 4: No when he was younger, but he would work right
Speaker 4: alongside Grandpa Wayne on the farm.
Speaker 7: Now he was named Rome.
Speaker 4: Because apparently his dad just really liked the Roman Empire.
Speaker 1: That's some had its merits also at strawbacks, and he.
Speaker 5: Ended up definitely a thing that like guys in their
Speaker 5: mid to late thirties get fascinated.
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he watched a lot of three I would say
Speaker 6: it hearkens back to like elements of our society that
Speaker 6: are missing, certain like.
Speaker 1: Male Gary Cooper, anybody.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Rome would say like, oh, it's a bit of
Speaker 6: a more raw time. You're not dealing with a bunch
Speaker 6: of nonsense.
Speaker 1: Nobody's afraid to go on the roof in Rome. No,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Put me on the goddamn roof.
Speaker 6: Let me get hit with a bone arrow, but give
Speaker 6: me a sword, give me a shield, put me on
Speaker 6: a roof.
Speaker 4: See, like, when I think of Rome, I'm not thinking
Speaker 4: about like Roman Empire and like gladiators and like fights
Speaker 4: at the coliseum.
Speaker 7: I'm thinking about pizza and pasta.
Speaker 1: Well they had that too, Yeah back then, quite good.
Speaker 1: So rodus think just think of the last lack of
Speaker 1: like toothcare back then.
Speaker 6: I mean to reg always does sort of like, oh,
Speaker 6: you're dead by thirty two. It's like, yeah, you're.
Speaker 5: Dead by thirty two, Like of your eight children died
Speaker 5: by the time they were two, and you have to
Speaker 5: just like like it's buried off.
Speaker 1: Roma.
Speaker 3: Dune Day is the number three prospect according to DJ
Speaker 3: and he reminds him love him, Larry Fitzgerald, come out
Speaker 3: of college, give me all you got.
Speaker 6: There's an incredible stat that PFF put about it because like,
Speaker 6: if you watch me, it's like it's contested catches.
Speaker 1: He's like, give it's nasty dirty, get dirty with the number.
Speaker 1: The girl, it's football, not don't take it somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Eric is on fire.
Speaker 6: He got seventy five percent of his contested catches this
Speaker 6: past season, and then when they've tracked four hundred and
Speaker 6: seventy seventeen seasons, that ranks six.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: I want you to can you play the Greg drop
Speaker 3: and then straight to the straight to the Spice channel
Speaker 3: for the last time.
Speaker 1: Now give it to me, get dirty, get dirty with
Speaker 1: the numbers, all.
Speaker 9: Right, spice track here.
Speaker 1: Three zero.
Speaker 8: Just list the rest of the guys in the list
Speaker 8: that I like. Michael Panic's lefty quarterback from Washington.
Speaker 1: This one's really long, by the way, you said, so.
Speaker 9: Field general, great, down the field general.
Speaker 1: I love it. Our agreement.
Speaker 8: Give me that guy riding pearsol receiver from took just
Speaker 8: a monster uh in in the slot even though he
Speaker 8: played plenty outside, which I think will help him.
Speaker 9: Imagine we saw a guy running in the slot every time.
Speaker 1: This guy's gonna be from behind with a knife slot receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't want to imagine that he's gonna kill you
Speaker 1: for talking to him. In the Kansas is a quarterback
Speaker 1: Jason Bean after a year.
Speaker 8: Or two was sent to Bean Doug to a wide receiver,
Speaker 8: and every time the quarterback got hurt, he came in
Speaker 8: and played great. And uh, you know, he's almost twenty
Speaker 8: five late bloomer, but he's also someone with a second
Speaker 8: chance at life, basically as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So uh, like the backstories, I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 8: But he's he's big and athletic, and I mean he's
Speaker 8: a good player. Definitely likes throwing deep too. Always a
Speaker 8: fan of that. Lars Nevis or MeVis, however you say it,
Speaker 8: this is your favorite prospect in the in the in
Speaker 8: the whole draft for sure. Monster kicker, Yes, I saw
Speaker 8: him kick a sixty four years Missouri so kicks a
Speaker 8: kick a sixty four yard er right at the gun.
Speaker 8: That cashed me a nice money line. I can't even
Speaker 8: remember who they were playing, but Missouri was like Greg
Speaker 8: Cody Schrader running back Missouri, Big Missouri.
Speaker 9: Day, everybody, Uh ozark was a wildly.
Speaker 1: Over beautiful day in Cincinnati. That's score ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 9: Cody Schrader was like a Division III legend.
Speaker 1: Did you guys just hear him? Records the Division three.
Speaker 9: Heismans and uh tried to come up to the Division
Speaker 9: one level.
Speaker 8: He did not get a scholarship to the very end
Speaker 8: by one team Missouri, and he he led the uh
Speaker 8: the sec and rushing two straight years. And man, I
Speaker 8: could be wrong about that, but I think it's something
Speaker 8: like that. And so uh just I'm rooting for that
Speaker 8: guy for sure. And again, no bigger chip on anyone
Speaker 8: shore than Cody Schrader. Keep going, all right, My last
Speaker 8: guy is Jordan Travis, quarterback Floor Staate gets hurt a lot,
Speaker 8: uh or at least took suffered catastrophic injury in his
Speaker 8: last game.
Speaker 1: Brutal, brutal.
Speaker 9: All right, well, all right, no.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's not right.
Speaker 9: But he suffered a catastrophic injury to end his season.
Speaker 1: Don't laugh. Great stuff.
Speaker 9: And but he was coming along great.
Speaker 8: At Florida State and then started coming along great and
Speaker 8: just looking awesome and sort of getting that second chance
Speaker 8: at life. Almost too, because he was he was almost
Speaker 8: left for dead, but he wasn't. No one was looking
Speaker 8: for him to be anything. Special and then he really
Speaker 8: bloomed the last two years. So rooting for Jordan Travis too.
Speaker 8: And he's athletic, but man, he got folded up in
Speaker 8: that last game. All right, that's it again.
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank.
Speaker 8: Everybody, but especially Mark the Cessman, Sessler, Cesspice.
Speaker 9: Forever, everyone else, never or most.
Speaker 1: Of the time. It's good.
Speaker 5: We waited till the end there see and thank you,
Speaker 5: by the way, Thank you spice Rack. That was that
Speaker 5: was incredible. H Jordan Travis in the news, by the way,
Speaker 5: taking some visits at tom Pelisaire at the pell Racer
Speaker 5: mentioned but I I thought that was excellent and I
Speaker 5: like that he likes guys who have a second chance
Speaker 5: at I think he likes the underdog story.
Speaker 1: It's an angle. I think that was something him and
Speaker 1: Wes bonded over.
Speaker 5: I think Wes looked at it like a late bloomer,
Speaker 5: someone who fought his way out of where he was
Speaker 5: in life.
Speaker 1: I think him ice.
Speaker 7: Rack, I like everything except the Ozar heat.
Speaker 1: Never seen it, so I can't believe. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean he took it down. Yeah, had a.
Speaker 3: I talked over his Prestige television hot take, so that
Speaker 3: that could be an issue for me and Spicy.
Speaker 1: We've had issues in the past.
Speaker 6: He's gonna fume at you and I see it and
Speaker 6: rightly as a sign of complete and total disrespect.
Speaker 1: I don't handing on your point of view. I think
Speaker 1: that's not your point of view his. But by that logic,
Speaker 1: Damn has disrespected everyone. Yeah, I probably have not by
Speaker 1: his point of view.
Speaker 3: Can we please keep in mind, sess Dog, that Spice
Speaker 3: Rack being on today's program. It's not you, sess man,
Speaker 3: it was me. So what better active respect for the
Speaker 3: Spice Rack than me having him on the program Today's
Speaker 3: You could says I value his input, you could.
Speaker 1: Spin it, wait and again.
Speaker 6: It's all comes down. It comes down to point of view.
Speaker 6: Send me a football. Yeah, all right, that's it. Thank
Speaker 6: you to the Spice Channel, always entertaining. We will be
Speaker 6: back on Wednesday with more football talk, more draft talks,
Speaker 6: some more guests. As we get closer and closer, Jesus
Speaker 6: take the wheel to the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. Connie,
Speaker 6: You've said it all, and yet you have one last opportunity.
Speaker 7: To say more things. That's great.
Speaker 4: I love you guys, and actually I didn't like when
Speaker 4: was the last time we were all in studio together,
Speaker 4: it feels like a minute. So it's nice to actually
Speaker 4: be back with all three of you in studio and
Speaker 4: no real tech diffs on my side at least today.
Speaker 6: Locked and loaded. There we go, Amie Honey in the
Speaker 6: studio is never a concern. She's going to give you
Speaker 6: high effort, she's going to give you quality.
Speaker 7: Oh ye, and I'll be on time.
Speaker 8: What is that?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: Everybody? Thank you for listening. Until next time. You know
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Heat the cap.