Speaker 1: On The Bechdel Cast.
Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are
Speaker 2: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they
Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zephim fast start changing it
Speaker 2: with the Bechdel Cast.
Speaker 3: Caitlin, it's a party.
Speaker 4: It is a party.
Speaker 1: We're celebrating they We're celebrating the passage of time.
Speaker 3: And how the more you know, the more you need
Speaker 3: to know. Isn't that a thrilling wow?
Speaker 4: It has been eighty four years and we.
Speaker 3: Have coveredel cast.
Speaker 4: Yes, and in those eighty four years, we've covered five
Speaker 4: hundred movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.
Speaker 4: My name is Caitlin Durante. And normally this is our
Speaker 4: show where we examine a specific movie every episode and
Speaker 4: analyze it through an intersectional feminist lens. This week, we
Speaker 4: have two main things on the agenda. One is to
Speaker 4: plug a little tour we have coming up and make
Speaker 4: sure everyone knows about it so that you can come
Speaker 4: to the shows. And we're also celebrating covering five hundred
Speaker 4: movies over the course of doing this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, So we're gonna do a little retrospective, have a
Speaker 1: little bit of fun, and then we'll be back next
Speaker 1: week with you're regularly scheduled programming. But first, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just went to remind everyone that if you live in
Speaker 1: the UK are Dublin, we are coming for you, non
Speaker 1: threateningly and with love. Yes, at the end of May.
Speaker 1: So let's run through. Where are we going, Caitlin, do
Speaker 1: tell me?
Speaker 4: Well, I will tell you. First, we are going to London.
Speaker 4: We are doing two shows on May twenty second. The
Speaker 4: first show we're covering Shrek because we should say, this
Speaker 4: is the.
Speaker 1: Shrek tur yes, and you don't need it broken down
Speaker 1: for you figure it out.
Speaker 3: If you can't figure it out, don't come. Please come.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the early show we're gonna be talking about Shrek.
Speaker 4: The later show on that same evening we're talking about
Speaker 4: Titanic again. That's May twenty second in London. Then we
Speaker 4: are going to Oxford on May twenty fourth. This is
Speaker 4: part of the Saint Audio Podcast Festival and we're covering Titanic.
Speaker 3: I ever heard of it? Yeah, if you've listened to
Speaker 3: this show or if you exist genes is our yes
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 4: Then we are going up to Edinburgh on May twenty
Speaker 4: sixth for a show on Shrek because Edinburgh's in Scotland,
Speaker 4: Shrek is Scottish. It just makes sense.
Speaker 1: And again, if you live in Edinburgh and you need
Speaker 1: this explain to you, don't come. No, please come, please come,
Speaker 1: please come, do come.
Speaker 4: And then we are doing a show in Manchester on
Speaker 4: May twenty eighth that is a Titanic show. And then
Speaker 4: recently we have added a final show in Dublin on
Speaker 4: May twenty ninth that's also a Titanic show. And what
Speaker 4: we want to make clear is that have we done
Speaker 4: about eight hundred episodes on Titanic already? We have, It's true,
Speaker 4: but this is gonna be a whole new slate of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is like mainly a celebration of the
Speaker 1: show itself and all of like the goofy ness. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be wearing ridiculous outfits. We are going to talk
Speaker 1: about the movies themselves, but we also know you've heard
Speaker 1: us talk about these movies over the years. We're going
Speaker 1: to have a broad conversation, but we're also gonna like
Speaker 1: play games, have fun, exclusive merch. Like it is like
Speaker 1: a celebration of not just these movies which we love
Speaker 1: to celebrate as if they are gods, but.
Speaker 3: Also to celebrate the show and celebrate the community.
Speaker 1: It's going to be super, super fun, and we're pumped
Speaker 1: to see everybody.
Speaker 4: I'm editing so many videos to screen at the shows.
Speaker 1: Caitlin is going, yeah, and I'm drawing so many pornographic
Speaker 1: images of us to sell at the show that are
Speaker 1: like cartoons, So don't even be scared, and please purchase them.
Speaker 1: It would be so great if you purchase the pornographic
Speaker 1: images we're making.
Speaker 3: All that said, please come. We're really excited.
Speaker 4: And same thing with the Shrek shows. Yes, we've covered
Speaker 4: all four Shrek movies, but.
Speaker 3: We can bring all of that information.
Speaker 4: To you in new and interesting ways.
Speaker 1: Caitlin, I haven't told you this, but I'm hoping. I'm
Speaker 1: aspiring and I may in fact hold you hostage. Whoa
Speaker 1: to do a challenge? I call all four Shreks no
Speaker 1: pee breaks before we depart.
Speaker 4: Like watch a marathon, a shrek athon.
Speaker 3: A Shrek athon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm up to the challenge.
Speaker 3: I oh, I have no doubt.
Speaker 1: I have no doubt two thousand and eight that you
Speaker 1: can do it, that I can do it, and that
Speaker 1: in fact, we were born to do it, so we're
Speaker 1: really excited.
Speaker 3: Please come out.
Speaker 1: Yes, at the end of the day, we have covered
Speaker 1: five hundred movies.
Speaker 3: Caitlin Durante, it.
Speaker 4: Is can you believe it?
Speaker 3: It is shocking.
Speaker 1: It is shocked, And to be clear, I mean whatever,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're always qualifying things and apologizing for
Speaker 1: things that people are not asking us to do.
Speaker 3: And if that's not the fem experience.
Speaker 1: No, but we have covered five hundred movies between the
Speaker 1: main feed and our Patreon ak Matreon, which we have
Speaker 1: had since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: If you're like, oh, no, there's.
Speaker 1: No new episode of the Bechdel Cast this week, really,
Speaker 1: then you can head over there. It's five bucks a
Speaker 1: month for two new episodes and access to over one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty of these movies we're talking about. Yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we recently hit five hundred movies covered, which
Speaker 1: is wild because we we've covered some movies multiple times.
Speaker 1: I mean like obviously Titanic we've covered multiple times, and
Speaker 1: then there's a few episodes that we were strictly based.
Speaker 3: On our own knowledge. Well maybe that's a fun place.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 1: A shaved of this podcast started in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: Yes, we were different people.
Speaker 4: Those eight whole years ago or eighty four years ago.
Speaker 4: It's been depending on how you experienced time.
Speaker 1: I think spiritually, honestly, like I've been seeing more and
Speaker 1: more sort of thoughts and articles, et cetera about how
Speaker 1: the passage of time in the last five years has
Speaker 1: just like not quite been correct.
Speaker 4: We are in a weird time. We're a warp time
Speaker 4: loop multiverse. Something is happening. It's an interstellar thing, it's
Speaker 4: a Tenant thing. It's just a lot of like Christopher
Speaker 4: Nolan movies and how time is experienced by those characters,
Speaker 4: that is what is happening to us.
Speaker 1: See, I only saw a Tenant at I think I've
Speaker 1: heard this experience from a lot of people that and
Speaker 1: I kind of not to be like justice for Tenant
Speaker 1: because who cares. But like I know some people who
Speaker 1: recently saw when Tenant was like re released into Imax,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, that movie was actually really good,
Speaker 1: because I think many of us saw Tenant either on
Speaker 1: our TVs or I saw it. I've heard this story
Speaker 1: many times of like saw it at the drive in
Speaker 1: in a desperate attempt to leave the home and feel
Speaker 1: like you're having a communal experience.
Speaker 3: So the two movies I saw at the.
Speaker 1: Drive in during lockdown and this is so bleak is
Speaker 1: Tenant which impossible, impossible to understand from forty feet away
Speaker 1: if you're in like over a radio signal.
Speaker 3: Not good.
Speaker 4: Even if you're closer, you're not able to understand it.
Speaker 4: It is an unfollowable movie.
Speaker 3: It's confused when you're surrounded by it, much.
Speaker 1: Less from far away, like and you have your dog
Speaker 1: and you're like, ahhuh ah. And then I also saw
Speaker 1: Promising Young Woman at a drive in, which is like,
Speaker 1: however you feel about that movie?
Speaker 3: Not a drive in movie for sure, like real bomber
Speaker 3: to see at the drive in.
Speaker 1: Anyways, I have to rehabilitate my relationship with a drive in.
Speaker 1: The point is this show has been on for a
Speaker 1: long time, and the show is I mean, we've talked
Speaker 1: about the origins of the show many times. We don't
Speaker 1: need to recap that here, but it's changed a lot
Speaker 1: over the years.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of our little show, Caitlin. I'll say, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm so proud of it. I feel so
Speaker 4: lucky and privileged, not only that this is my job,
Speaker 4: because it's a job that I love doing so much.
Speaker 1: And it did not start as this is like you
Speaker 1: know whatever, very much started as like when we have
Speaker 1: time at an act.
Speaker 3: Of financial loss sort of thing. So we're very lucky
Speaker 3: that has turned into a job.
Speaker 4: Truly, and I also just feel so lucky and honored
Speaker 4: to be working so closely with you, Jamie Oka. I
Speaker 4: feel so lucky.
Speaker 3: I may yeah, yeah, I like should we cry? No? No, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: No I can't right now.
Speaker 1: It's because I honestly I could cry, but I just
Speaker 1: ate popcorn and all the salt is in my mouth.
Speaker 1: I feel like I couldn't even force it into my eyeballs.
Speaker 1: If I was feeling emotional, which I am. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure what's happening physiologically.
Speaker 1: Which I just feel like you but you've got to
Speaker 1: pick a hole to have your salt right now it's
Speaker 1: in my mouth. I could do the like Liz Lemon
Speaker 1: thing where I start crying out of my.
Speaker 4: Mouth after she gets like off brands never start drooling,
Speaker 4: which also has kind of been my current reality.
Speaker 1: Anyways, No, kay, I love you so much. I like
Speaker 1: I we have grown so close and like grown together
Speaker 1: through making this show, and I just feel I feel lucky.
Speaker 3: It's somebody.
Speaker 1: I just feel lucky to be a friend of yours
Speaker 1: at all. And also I just I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like we're really lucky to have you. Like I
Speaker 1: was saying this the other day, I was like, Caitlin
Speaker 1: and I are like talking common law married, like we are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: yes we're common law married podcast wise, and and also
Speaker 1: friendship whiy, Like it's just.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm so grateful for you.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful. I love that we spend holidays together, we
Speaker 4: go to Universal together.
Speaker 3: We have we have we have theme park passes to
Speaker 3: use together.
Speaker 4: We get our souls stolen on the Mummy ride regularly,
Speaker 4: we take pictures with Shrek regularly.
Speaker 1: We avoid Beetlejuice regularly. And I also, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really do think that like this show. But also you
Speaker 1: specifically have like opened me up to movies that I
Speaker 1: would not normally see and end up really loving this
Speaker 1: show in general. It has really broadened my horizons in
Speaker 1: terms of I mean in terms of a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but just in terms of seeing things and in terms
Speaker 1: of like thinking about movies.
Speaker 3: It about who's making.
Speaker 1: Them, and about like what I like and appreciate in
Speaker 1: movies in a way that I didn't when this show started.
Speaker 1: I was like, very much for someone with a film degree,
Speaker 1: a very casual film watcher prior to this show.
Speaker 4: You the other day were like, I'm gonna be in
Speaker 4: Boston and there's a Lord of the Rings marathon that
Speaker 4: I might go to of all three Lord of the
Speaker 4: Rings movies, And I'm like, Jamie, what did you just
Speaker 4: say to me?
Speaker 3: I know I'm different. I've changed.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: I've changed.
Speaker 1: And I also think said no pee breaks. I'm really
Speaker 1: like addicted to the.
Speaker 4: Idea of pissing your pants.
Speaker 3: Infinite movies. No pea breaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really know, but yeah, I there are
Speaker 1: interests and like appreciations, and also like we've made friends
Speaker 1: with our guests through making this show. It's just been
Speaker 1: absolutely wonderful. And I think like one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think was a cool kind of turning point
Speaker 1: throughout this show was like I think it was between
Speaker 1: like maybe late twenty eighteen into early Lockdown, where we
Speaker 1: had covered a lot of movies that were, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of generally blockbusters, or culturally formative in the broadest
Speaker 1: sense during the time that we were growing up, and
Speaker 1: then when we started to run out of those movies,
Speaker 1: realized that, like, the show needs to evolve in all
Speaker 1: of these ways. And not only have our guests obviously
Speaker 1: been tremendously helpful in helping the show grow and sort
Speaker 1: of broadening the kinds of movies we look at and
Speaker 1: the movies we're championing and like who we are, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think like early bepelcasts us is like
Speaker 1: we're gonna cover Michael Bay movies because people have seen those,
Speaker 1: and you know us now it's like, I think we're
Speaker 1: more discerning and we're trying to and I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that that has so much to
Speaker 1: do with our guests and what our guests bring us,
Speaker 1: as well as what our listeners bring us and have
Speaker 1: asked for as time goes on. And it's really wonderful,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 4: And I loved seeing the show grow, and I certainly
Speaker 4: have grown myself. I don't think I would be this.
Speaker 3: Three inches taller than when we started. I'm six two.
Speaker 4: Whoa, I'm rag five inches shorter somehow, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I know I'm sick. No, I've certainly grown as a
Speaker 4: feminist by doing this show. I don't think I would
Speaker 4: be as fervent and militant to feminist as I am
Speaker 4: now if it were not for this show and all
Speaker 4: of the research that I've had to do along the way.
Speaker 4: And I'm grateful to the show and to feedback from
Speaker 4: our listeners and insights from our guests for kind of
Speaker 4: informing and shaping my journey with feminism. So it's just
Speaker 4: been such a wonderful experience.
Speaker 3: It's been really great.
Speaker 1: So if you are a new or long time lister,
Speaker 1: we've covered five hundred movies, and we have sort of
Speaker 1: a dual interest here. We are interested in over the years,
Speaker 1: what have been your favorite episodes? What are episodes that
Speaker 1: have stuck with you? Because you know, we've covered five
Speaker 1: hundred movies, but there's still at least movies we haven't covered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty more movies.
Speaker 1: Exist, twenty two movies we haven't covered that have been released.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, i'd be super curious of like,
Speaker 1: over the years, what are episodes that you still think about?
Speaker 1: What are types of episodes, what are guests that have
Speaker 1: stuck with you?
Speaker 3: And then moving forward.
Speaker 1: We have had gosh, I think over a half decade now,
Speaker 1: we've had our request page where listeners can send us
Speaker 1: requests that have I think has become kind of increasingly
Speaker 1: important in the show as time goes on, because we
Speaker 1: want to know what our listeners want to hear, and
Speaker 1: then we'll generally, you know, with some exceptions. It's like
Speaker 1: there's no hard rules with our show, never really has been,
Speaker 1: but we will first show potential guests the movies that
Speaker 1: you want to hear about, and we want to you know,
Speaker 1: show a diverse range of directors. We want to show
Speaker 1: more diversity in like the times movies have come out,
Speaker 1: because we've covered every single movie that came out in
Speaker 1: two thousand and.
Speaker 3: Three at this point, yep. And yeah, we want to
Speaker 3: know what you're what you're.
Speaker 1: Interested in hearing us talk about moving forward. So this
Speaker 1: has bafflingly become h endorsement of an old Google doc
Speaker 1: that we have that will be linked in the description.
Speaker 4: Yes, which we rarely plug, but it is.
Speaker 3: I know, I feel like it's really like and if
Speaker 3: you know, you know thing.
Speaker 4: It's true, right, But it is readily available on our
Speaker 4: link tree, which is also where you can get the
Speaker 4: tickets to that Shrek Tannic tour we were just talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, if you go to link tree slash spectal Cast,
Speaker 4: you will see our listener request form. You will see
Speaker 4: our letterboxed account, which we also.
Speaker 3: Where we put our requests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we haven't plugged it in a while,
Speaker 1: and then we just end up getting a million dms
Speaker 1: being like.
Speaker 3: When are you going to talk about poor things? And
Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Soon if not already, because we recorded the episode it's forthcoming.
Speaker 3: Or and it was hard, So you're welcome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, so yeah, we've got all kinds of goodies
Speaker 4: over there on our link tree, so check that out.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we are curious about what you'd like us
Speaker 4: to hear that we haven't covered already. So yeah, fill
Speaker 4: out that form and generally if we see a you know,
Speaker 4: commonly recurring movie on the request form, then we'll add
Speaker 4: it to our letterbox list of like frequent requests and
Speaker 4: so that's kind of how we do it.
Speaker 1: And well and we'll find a guess that wants to
Speaker 1: talk with us about it. Yeah, so you do have
Speaker 1: you do have power.
Speaker 4: It's true, and you know how you can have even
Speaker 4: more power is to join our Matreon and oh.
Speaker 3: We're pugging the Patreon for a second time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just let people know head over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're switching our focus over there for on
Speaker 1: and off for the next couple of months to focus
Speaker 1: on women directors ever heard of them?
Speaker 3: Ever heard of them?
Speaker 1: But we're because you know, because of the arc of time. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we have ended up covering quite a few
Speaker 1: movies directed by men, regrettably, but also Shrek and Titanic.
Speaker 3: You know, it's.
Speaker 1: Hard, true, So we were we're focusing on movies directed
Speaker 1: by women over on the Matreon aka patreon, aka call
Speaker 1: it what you want.
Speaker 3: Just give us five dollars.
Speaker 1: And we're starting with a month of women directed comedies.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: And I mean, finally, I just wanted to I feel
Speaker 1: like we do this every so often, but like, we're
Speaker 1: very very grateful to our listeners. Obviously the show wouldn't
Speaker 1: exist with value. Every time someone's like says that to
Speaker 1: a show, I listened to him, like, no, fucking dull, Yeah, Noah,
Speaker 1: listened to your show.
Speaker 3: You'll be broke.
Speaker 4: Oh it's true.
Speaker 1: Anyways, we are very very grateful to our listeners like
Speaker 1: over the years, I feel like so much of what
Speaker 1: has moved the show to change and grow has been
Speaker 1: our listeners being I mean, I think, being very like,
Speaker 1: kind and firm about what they want to hear. And
Speaker 1: it's really cool. I feel lucky that we have the
Speaker 1: community that we do.
Speaker 4: We have the best listeners, we really do.
Speaker 1: It's so every time we go on tour, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, the nicest people in the world listen
Speaker 1: to our show. And then I have imposter syntems like
Speaker 1: we're pieces of shit.
Speaker 3: No, like Cayln, we fucking suck. Why are these nice
Speaker 3: people here?
Speaker 4: No, we're nice. We're so nice.
Speaker 1: We're so We're so lucky to have such an intelligent
Speaker 1: and kind and funny group of people listening to our show.
Speaker 3: It's really cool not to get parasocial in the roof.
Speaker 1: But the point is we've covered five Hedrick movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we are.
Speaker 1: We are taking this week off and then returning to
Speaker 1: your regular, rely scheduled programming. But we just wanted to
Speaker 1: take a moment to say thank you and celebrate.
Speaker 3: Because this show is the best show. Sorry if you
Speaker 3: didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now you know. And yeah, share any fond memories
Speaker 4: you have shared, any highlights. Remember when Alfred Molina was
Speaker 4: a guest who could forget?
Speaker 1: I remember? And I really were like, we're gonna reminisce,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't remember anything except Alfred Molina.
Speaker 4: I know. Anytime someone's like, what's your favorite episode, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't remember what I did yesterday, and I simply
Speaker 4: can't be expected to remember anything from before that. So
Speaker 4: we've had great times. I know it, I just don't
Speaker 4: remember it really.
Speaker 1: And if that's not Tenant, and if that ain't Tenant, maybe.
Speaker 4: Actually no, that's a different Christopher Nolan movie aka Memento.
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch it right now.
Speaker 1: You don't have to to all of our listeners, thank
Speaker 1: you for being with us for so long or so
Speaker 1: new or so short, or maybe you just came back.
Speaker 1: We don't know, but yeah, we will be back next
Speaker 1: week and if you'd like to hang with us in
Speaker 1: the meantime, if again, if you're in the UK or Dublin,
Speaker 1: please come to our tour soon and if you want
Speaker 1: a new episode.
Speaker 3: Head over to the Patreon and we will see you there.
Speaker 4: Yes, one last little plug because I am doing a
Speaker 4: few extra shows on this little European excursion that will
Speaker 4: be on I'm doing a show on my literal birthday
Speaker 4: in Dublin on May seventeenth. It's a stand up show
Speaker 4: and I'll be doing a long set and the rest
Speaker 4: of the lineup are amazing local comedians from Dublin. So
Speaker 4: come out and watch some hilarious stand up comedy from
Speaker 4: yours truly, and you kind of have to do it
Speaker 4: because it's my birthday, so.
Speaker 1: Or you're kind of being a bully, you're not being.
Speaker 3: Which includes me. I'm sorry, I can't be there, but
Speaker 3: it's okay, it's.
Speaker 4: Good, it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's Irish law to go see Caitlin's birthday show.
Speaker 4: It really is. The shows at Hysteria Comedy Club. The
Speaker 4: tickets for that are also on our link tree. And
Speaker 4: then I'm doing a few other stand up shows in
Speaker 4: Paris and Berlin and maybe Copenhagen. I'm still trying to
Speaker 4: figure that out. Those shows are on my website kaitlinderonte
Speaker 4: dot com slash shows, but the real one that I
Speaker 4: want you to come to is my birthday show, and
Speaker 4: then we'll have a little birthday pint in Dublin afterward
Speaker 4: we'll have a nice little celebration.
Speaker 1: And then as for me, I have a new weekly
Speaker 1: show starting in May called sixteenth Minute on this very
Speaker 1: network on Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a weekly show where each and every week I
Speaker 1: revisit and examine an Internet character of the day that
Speaker 1: everyone remembers but no one ever thought to get to know.
Speaker 1: And so that'll start at the beginning of May and
Speaker 1: continue thereafter.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Happy five hundred bechdelheads. We did it.
Speaker 4: Five hundred more, five hundred more.
Speaker 1: We love you, Bye bye bye.
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