Speaker 1: Do you want to do it?
Speaker 2: Do you want me to do it?
Speaker 3: You can do it?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. We are here at the at the building
Speaker 2: where the parole hearing is going to be taking place.
Speaker 2: It is eight forty six. I think Leo's case is
Speaker 2: going to be heard around ten. Yeah, and I'm right
Speaker 2: here with Gilbert to Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think we should sit in the back this time.
Speaker 2: Oh, I will need to be right by the podium.
Speaker 2: So make sure next is fine.
Speaker 4: Okay, no, Rolem, Yeah, sure. So we're at the break here.
Speaker 4: They've give him like a five minute break, and I
Speaker 4: think the Schoolfield case will be called very first next.
Speaker 4: Everybody seems to be here. Cup is ready, some people
Speaker 4: from CDP. Chrissy is here, and Jacob Orr will also
Speaker 4: be I'm here speaking for the state in the tenth
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if anybody's going to be calling in
Speaker 4: from the Saum families. I don't think so. But that's
Speaker 4: about all we know right now.
Speaker 1: Thank good morning everyone. It's ten thirty five am. We're
Speaker 1: back on the record. This is Melinda Kunrod with the
Speaker 1: Commission on a Fender review. I'm joining with Commissioner Davison
Speaker 1: and Commissioner Whant we're about to start the full portion
Speaker 1: of the docket where all three commissioners will be voting.
Speaker 1: The first case that we're calling is Item twenty two
Speaker 1: on page twelve, Leo Schofield. This is an effective interview
Speaker 1: that was conducted on March twenty seven, twenty twenty Ford
Speaker 1: Everglades CI the investigators recommending parole. Good morning, Jods, we'd
Speaker 1: be happy here for you.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Commissioner. It's my name is Scott Kopp. I'm
Speaker 5: the attorney for Leo Schofield. I'm not going to say
Speaker 5: much until the end. Want I want some folks that
Speaker 5: mean a lot to Leo who are present. There's three
Speaker 5: that are present. They're going to speak first. I'd like
Speaker 5: to call Sergeant Simmons.
Speaker 6: Good morning.
Speaker 7: My name is Sergeant James Simmons. I'm currently employed at
Speaker 7: Jefferson Correctional Institution. I've been with the department twenty eight years.
Speaker 7: Of those twenty eight years, I've known Lei Schofield for
Speaker 7: twenty seven of those years. Of them twenty seven years,
Speaker 7: me and Leal Scofield has worked together for the last
Speaker 7: ten years. Lei Schofield was a great inmate at Hardy
Speaker 7: Correction to institution. He was a great assets there. I
Speaker 7: know Mm Schofield had took the theology class to earn
Speaker 7: a degree in that. I know he had a large
Speaker 7: Bible class.
Speaker 3: He also.
Speaker 6: Helped me.
Speaker 7: In the locke and key department. I was the lock
Speaker 7: and key sergeant. He was my orderly. One day we
Speaker 7: were working pulling the lockout and I was a real
Speaker 7: bad diabetic bluoshuger dropped as I was falling forward. They
Speaker 7: tell me that Leo Scofield caught me before I hit
Speaker 7: the concrete floor and placed me in a chair, and
Speaker 7: he knew I was a bad diabetic, and he took
Speaker 7: the meter out of my pocket and placed it on
Speaker 7: my device to see what my blood sugar was and
Speaker 7: it was very low. And he got me medical attention
Speaker 7: quickly and got me some staff in there to help
Speaker 7: me out. And to this day I am very thankful
Speaker 7: Leo Scofield was there to help me. I know Leo
Speaker 7: Schofield has a great support staff with his wife and
Speaker 7: daughter and other family members. In my professional opinion before that,
Speaker 7: Leo Schofield make a great candidate for Parot.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sergeant, Thank you for your service.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sergeant David Welch.
Speaker 8: Good morning, Donald. Commissioners met him, Chair Commissioner Davidson, Commissioner Wyatt.
Speaker 8: I stand before you today on behalf of Leo Schofield
Speaker 8: because this is the case that I know in and out,
Speaker 8: because I met Leo when I was seventeen years old,
Speaker 8: when I first entered Department of Corrections. Leo Schofield met
Speaker 8: me off the bus when I was there, scared, didn't
Speaker 8: know where I was going to go, what I was
Speaker 8: going to do, what to do with my life from
Speaker 8: then on, just received a natural life sentence at that point,
Speaker 8: with a possibility of pro after twenty five years. I
Speaker 8: am grateful for the grace of Parol. I'm a proud
Speaker 8: member of CTP. But Leo Schofield was an educational clerk
Speaker 8: back then. This was in nineteen ninety four. Again, I
Speaker 8: was seventeen years old. I'm now forty seven. Leo Schofield
Speaker 8: told me when I first met him I was going
Speaker 8: through orientation process that I could do my time a
Speaker 8: couple of ways. I could be like others and just
Speaker 8: go play poker, play basketball and run around the reck
Speaker 8: yard and waste my life. Or I could make the
Speaker 8: best of it, and that's what I did. He got
Speaker 8: me an education as an orderly So from then on
Speaker 8: I got my GED. I actually graduated, got my GED
Speaker 8: before I would have graduated high school on the street.
Speaker 8: From then on he continued to encourage me and impress
Speaker 8: me to go into vocational trades. So that started me
Speaker 8: on the bath that ultimately led me to be here
Speaker 8: in front of you today, to do my time wisely,
Speaker 8: to take advantage of opportunities to get in education and
Speaker 8: to do something with my life. Leo Schofield also signed
Speaker 8: me up for Cairo's prison Ministry. I went through a
Speaker 8: Chiros retreat there. Didn't know anything about chiros, but Leo
Speaker 8: signed me up for that and told me it would
Speaker 8: be something good for my life. That in turn changed
Speaker 8: my life because it's surrendered my life to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 8: And from then on now today I stand before you.
Speaker 8: Haven't been released, have been terminated from Parol. I'm now
Speaker 8: the chair of Chiro's Prison Ministries at Avon Parks CI.
Speaker 8: In fact, tomorrow I have thirty six men that are
Speaker 8: under me that I'll be leading in to do Chiros
Speaker 8: fifty seven at Avon Park. So from then on, from
Speaker 8: the very first time I met Leo until today. I
Speaker 8: am now a still citizen volunteer. I go back into
Speaker 8: the prisons every month. I'm leading Chiros fifty seven next month.
Speaker 8: And the education I received because of the influence of
Speaker 8: mister Leo Schofield when I first met him as a teenager.
Speaker 8: I've known him for thirty years. His character demeanor have
Speaker 8: never changed one bit, and I just know, out of
Speaker 8: all respect to the offense and the life that was
Speaker 8: lost in this case, Leo Schofield is not a threat
Speaker 8: to society in any kind of way. If Leo Schofield
Speaker 8: is released, I can guarantee you that I will be
Speaker 8: there for him in Tampa at Noah's House. I can
Speaker 8: guarantee you that he will participate in CTP programs and
Speaker 8: also be here in Tallahassee to represent others. Leo Schofield
Speaker 8: will be a benefit if you guys are give him
Speaker 8: the grace of prol today. I'm just simply asking, as
Speaker 8: someone that knows him for a long time, to give
Speaker 8: him that chance because I believe in Leo Schofield. I
Speaker 8: know as the only request that you guys asked of
Speaker 8: me to not let you down. Leo Schofield likewise will
Speaker 8: not let you down if you're grind the Groce pro.
Speaker 8: Thank you for allowing me to speak.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Welch.
Speaker 3: Thank you jeff Reuter.
Speaker 9: My name is Jeffrey Reuter, CTP Alumni, Noah's House, Community Outreach,
Speaker 9: House Coordinator, Commissioner, Kunrod, Commissioner, Dason Commissioner. Why. I've known
Speaker 9: Leo for well over a decade. We were students together
Speaker 9: in numerous classes, We facilitated classes together, we lived in
Speaker 9: the dorm together, we got recreation together. We just lived
Speaker 9: in prison together. And I know firsthand what that involves.
Speaker 9: And Leo was always he always stayed the course and
Speaker 9: no matter what came at as he had a clear
Speaker 9: head and solid judgment. This is a very unique case
Speaker 9: and I know that Leo's heart goes out to his wife, Michelle.
Speaker 9: Our hearts go out to Michelle and her families. So
Speaker 9: Leo is very mindful that as well. He worked first
Speaker 9: hand with me with the Peyton Tutthill and Peyton Tudhill
Speaker 9: Foundation and Miss Tutthill. He recorded a record for her,
Speaker 9: turned over, recorded a whole record, turned over copyrighted the
Speaker 9: record and then sent the record to Miss Tuthill, where
Speaker 9: recorded that music at Hearty CI and now that's part
Speaker 9: of the foundation's story where they actually helped raise his
Speaker 9: money for the children's scholarship victims. I know that we're
Speaker 9: not here to determine guilt or innocence, but ken Leo,
Speaker 9: pursuing to nine forty seven, can Leo conducted himself as
Speaker 9: a citizen, as a free citizen, as a responsible citizen.
Speaker 9: And I submit that he can. Pastor Tony Parker and
Speaker 9: I from Noah's Community Outreach, we've been talking about Leo
Speaker 9: for the past two weeks. There's a brand new house
Speaker 9: at Noah's House. There's four guys in it right now.
Speaker 9: Gregory Samuels, who was released yesterday, was the newest guy
Speaker 9: in the house. He came yesterday. So we have a
Speaker 9: bed for Leo at the new house where I'm the
Speaker 9: coordinator at that house. We have an all star team there.
Speaker 9: We will help lead and guide Leo post release. If
Speaker 9: you grant him grace today, and that is my humble request,
Speaker 9: would you please grant Leo grace today?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure who's on the phone from.
Speaker 3: CTP, but you got about a minute.
Speaker 5: Could you pick one person to speak please?
Speaker 10: Yeah, Good morning, Convintions. Choy Martin, thank you, missus, Missus
Speaker 10: Coonroh and Missus Davis and mister Waynanet. Thanks for the
Speaker 10: opportunity to speak on Leo's behalf. My condoc is to
Speaker 10: the victim, Michelle and her family as well. I need
Speaker 10: to be met Leo in October two thousand and two
Speaker 10: at South Bay where he taught and played guitar in
Speaker 10: the chapels. In the choir, Leo also taught guys to
Speaker 10: play the guitar. He continues to do so today in CTP.
Speaker 10: I see him on a weekly basis. He's thriving in
Speaker 10: the program. I believe it was a group called the
Speaker 10: Old Jays that sang a song that says I love music.
Speaker 10: I want to say to you today with all due respect,
Speaker 10: that Leo loves music as well, and he loves it
Speaker 10: so much that he's willing to give his time and
Speaker 10: energy to help others learn to play the guitar and
Speaker 10: have a love for music as well. I believe that
Speaker 10: he's an excellent candidate for parole, and I believe that
Speaker 10: he is an epitome of a model prisoner that would
Speaker 10: translate into being successful citizen and society. I respectfully request
Speaker 10: that you parole him today. Thank you for your time
Speaker 10: of consideration.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to Labor commissioners what you already know.
Speaker 5: We've had our meetings, you for view to pack it.
Speaker 5: I think you pretty much know what you want to do,
Speaker 5: and I suspect you're going to do the right thing,
Speaker 5: and I trust you to do that. I can't say
Speaker 5: more than what these men have said and what you've read.
Speaker 5: Leo has continued to achieve and exceed expectations wherever he's
Speaker 5: been the one thing I do want to address, if
Speaker 5: you do grant him parole, which I believe you're going
Speaker 5: to do, I want to address the walkout date, because
Speaker 5: it's very important. It's very important to Leo, it's very
Speaker 5: important to all of us. He needs to go as
Speaker 5: soon as possible.
Speaker 11: Thirteen days. He needs to go April thirtieth, not in June,
Speaker 11: not two more months. If that becomes the walkout date, that,
Speaker 11: in my opinion, is merely punitive.
Speaker 5: It serves no purpose whatsoever with that.
Speaker 3: I'll turn the podium over to the state.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Now we're going to move to
Speaker 1: those in opposition. Mister Orr is here, and do we
Speaker 1: have anyone online wishing to speak, if so pressed our six.
Speaker 12: Hello, good morning.
Speaker 1: Are you speaking on the Schofield case?
Speaker 12: Yes, but I'm not in opposition. I'm his brother. I
Speaker 12: tried to call in last year and I wasn't able
Speaker 12: to talk. I just wanted to say that my brother
Speaker 12: has been he's been doing a lot of great things
Speaker 12: in prison, but he was doing a lot of great
Speaker 12: things before he went to prison. I didn't have much
Speaker 12: of a father, so he basically raised me. And I
Speaker 12: just wanted to be there for him for whenever I could,
Speaker 12: because I know he's a good man, a good person,
Speaker 12: and he's one of the only reasons why I've been
Speaker 12: able to make it through this life. And I just
Speaker 12: wanted to I just wanted to say thank you for
Speaker 12: an opportunity to get him out of prison. And I
Speaker 12: pray that you guys do the right thing today. And
Speaker 12: that's all I ask.
Speaker 1: And what is your name?
Speaker 12: My name is Jason Schofield.
Speaker 1: All thank you, all right, mister Orr from you, Good morning, commissioners.
Speaker 6: Good morning.
Speaker 13: My name is Jake or I'm an assistant state attorney
Speaker 13: in the tenth Judicial Circuit.
Speaker 3: It's good to be with you again.
Speaker 13: Last year I addressed you regarding this case, and I
Speaker 13: told you then that you cannot pursue justice without first
Speaker 13: pursuing truth. And I believe that to be a true statement,
Speaker 13: and I think that it has a particular relevance in
Speaker 13: this case. The reason being there's been a whole lot
Speaker 13: of media attention. As you know, there's been TV shows,
Speaker 13: print media, multiple multiple episode podcasts, and I'm reading that
Speaker 13: there's going to be more.
Speaker 3: There's going to be a.
Speaker 13: TV drama series maybe, and some sort of novels in
Speaker 13: the works. It's all very entertaining and in truth, it's
Speaker 13: an interesting case. I'm not going to go into all
Speaker 13: the facts because I think you're kind of I'm familiar
Speaker 13: with some of them, but it's a circumstantial case, lots
Speaker 13: of twists and turns, and the storytelling related to it
Speaker 13: has been outstanding. However, the truth telling has been unacceptable.
Speaker 13: An example of that that involves this commission happened in
Speaker 13: May of twenty twenty when Jerry Hill addressed you regarding
Speaker 13: the case. Mister Hill recited certain facts of the case,
Speaker 13: including going into who found the body in this case?
Speaker 13: And I've pulled the transcript and I just want to
Speaker 13: read a couple things that mister Hill told you. He
Speaker 13: told you quote Missus Schofield's body was discovered in the
Speaker 13: canal located in a hilly wooded area on the morning
Speaker 13: of February twenty seventh, eighty seven, by Leo Schofield Senior.
Speaker 13: Close quote Later in his presentation, mister Hill told you
Speaker 13: that Leo was driven by an inter force and he
Speaker 13: said he felt drawn to that area and felt Michelle
Speaker 13: was calling out to him. He said he had told
Speaker 13: Detective Russell, and I'm still quoting here, told Detective Russell
Speaker 13: that his daughter in law was within a certain distance. Now,
Speaker 13: the podcast that's got the most attention covering this case
Speaker 13: covered that hearing in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: They even used some of the audio, but they got
Speaker 3: it wrong. They edited out.
Speaker 13: Mister Hill telling you that the body was found by
Speaker 13: Schofield Senior. They edited out mister Hill telling you that
Speaker 13: he was searching for his daughter in law. They played
Speaker 13: select clips about Leo searching, and then the narrator came
Speaker 13: in and said said this, Jerry Hill gets it wrong
Speaker 13: in a major way. The narrator stated that Jerry Hill
Speaker 13: made it sound like the body was found by the
Speaker 13: defendant Leo Schofield Junior. Now take a minute and focus
Speaker 13: on that reporting. Obviously that's not what happened you were here.
Speaker 13: But it's worse than that, because this is not argumentative
Speaker 13: argument or interpretation of facts of the record. It's it's
Speaker 13: not a narrative told from a particular point of view
Speaker 13: that is one hundred and eighty degrees.
Speaker 3: Opposite of what happened in front of it. It's false.
Speaker 13: This should cause concern for anybody that thinks they know
Speaker 13: facts about this case because they heard a podcast, read
Speaker 13: something on social media or the internet, or even a
Speaker 13: newspaper article. Because good storytellers have picked up this case
Speaker 13: and they've told stories that are incomplete, that misrepresent the
Speaker 13: actual evidence in the case, and sometimes are false, you
Speaker 13: are reading, or more likely hearing, a very compelling story
Speaker 13: that has no fidelity to the truth. Today, we've gone
Speaker 13: through one black and white example that involved this commission,
Speaker 13: but there are many, many others when you get into
Speaker 13: the facts of the case.
Speaker 3: Now, why am I telling you this? Why is it
Speaker 3: relevant to today? Because my one ask of you is
Speaker 3: whatever decision you make, don't.
Speaker 13: Base it on some sensational media accounts that are set
Speaker 13: to dramatic music.
Speaker 3: Base it on truth. In the criminal justice.
Speaker 13: System, trial courts, appellate court's parole commission, whatever it is,
Speaker 13: it's of the utmost importance that we always pursue truth
Speaker 13: because it's.
Speaker 3: Our only chance at pursuing justice.
Speaker 13: This case has been reviewed by multiple courts, multiple trial judges,
Speaker 13: multiple panels of appellate judges for over thirty years, and
Speaker 13: there's a difference between what they do in those reviews
Speaker 13: and the entertainment industry. In the court, you can't edit
Speaker 13: out the facts you don't like. You can't edit the
Speaker 13: facts to fit your storyline. What those judges have done
Speaker 13: has reviewed this case based on the actual transcript, the
Speaker 13: actual evidence, and the law, and in all those reviews,
Speaker 13: every time they've determined there is sufficient evidence to support
Speaker 13: this conviction. Now, in the interest of fairness, I think
Speaker 13: it's important that I also tell you that I'm not
Speaker 13: telling you about those falsehoods in the media for you
Speaker 13: to hold them against mister Schofield. That's not my intention.
Speaker 13: He did not write those stories, he didn't edit the audio.
Speaker 13: I told you about those falsehoods so you could focus
Speaker 13: on the truth. And truth is from what I know,
Speaker 13: he's been an outstanding inmate. Sounds like it's got an
Speaker 13: incredible support system, and you should consider all that. I
Speaker 13: also know that you should consider that he was convicted
Speaker 13: of a terribly violent crime, and you know that you
Speaker 13: must use caution before you release such an individual. I
Speaker 13: guess what I'm saying is, in the end, if you
Speaker 13: determine that justice requires he be parolled or not based
Speaker 13: on an honest review of the evidence, the law, the
Speaker 13: time he's served, and all the factors that you would
Speaker 13: consider in any other case, and you do that with
Speaker 13: an honest review, then justice will be served. That's all
Speaker 13: anyone could ever ask of you.
Speaker 3: You have a tough job.
Speaker 13: I thank you for your service to our state, and
Speaker 13: I thank you for your time this morning.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Miss jore. Do we have either Ricky or
Speaker 1: Jesse Som online? If so, ProStar six and Muture film
Speaker 1: all right here, and then we'll perceive that the vote
Speaker 1: is starting with mister Dason.
Speaker 6: In the matter of Leo Schofield.
Speaker 14: I've had the opportunity to review this case, and it's
Speaker 14: entirety I've listened very closely to the testimony in support
Speaker 14: as well as the testimony in opposition. Here today today
Speaker 14: is not the first aid that I've had the opptunity
Speaker 14: to give input into this case. The last time this
Speaker 14: case was before us, my vote was to extend mister
Speaker 14: Schofield's ppr D by twenty four months and to refer
Speaker 14: him to the Corrections Transition Program at the Everglades Correctional Institution.
Speaker 14: I really the vote of this commission was to extend
Speaker 14: by twelve months, which was set the new ppr D
Speaker 14: at June twenty five, twenty twenty four, and in agreement
Speaker 14: to refer mister Scholfield to the Corrections Transition Program at
Speaker 14: the Everglades Correctional Institution. Since that time, mister Scholfield has
Speaker 14: participated in the CTP program, has done well, and I
Speaker 14: think that he has greatly benefited from his time there.
Speaker 14: I think that he will continue to benefit from his
Speaker 14: time in the corrections Transition program if he continues to
Speaker 14: serve until the PPRD date that this commission set, which
Speaker 14: is June twenty five, twenty twenty four. So I know
Speaker 14: that there was some question here about a walkout date,
Speaker 14: and I think that that walkout date should be consistent
Speaker 14: with the PPRD that this Commission set less than a
Speaker 14: year ago. That datea is not punitive. That date is
Speaker 14: necessary for moving mister Scholfield toward a successful parole if
Speaker 14: he has paroled here today.
Speaker 6: So as mister Orr has requested my.
Speaker 14: Honest review of this case, and that is my honest
Speaker 14: review of this case. So my vote here today is
Speaker 14: not a question of guilt or innocence. That is the
Speaker 14: province of the judicial system. This case has been litigated
Speaker 14: both in the trial as well as the appella arenas,
Speaker 14: and that determination is that mister Scholfield is guilty.
Speaker 6: Of first degree murder. Today, my vote is.
Speaker 14: To parole mister Scholfield to the max on June twenty five,
Speaker 14: twenty twenty four, Terms four and five.
Speaker 1: Thank you Commissioner.
Speaker 15: Waite, Thank you man, Thank you all for your testimony
Speaker 15: today as it relates to mister Schofield. And I too
Speaker 15: have reviewed this case as a and I'm familiar with
Speaker 15: the case. I've had meetings regarding the case, and during
Speaker 15: the last Commission action I stressed the importance of programming.
Speaker 15: Mister Schofield has been incarcerated for a long period of time.
Speaker 15: A lot has changed since then, so I felt it
Speaker 15: important that he gets some programming from the CTP. Program.
Speaker 15: Since his admission into that program, he's done well. He's
Speaker 15: completed numerous classes. The testimony here today, of course, speaks
Speaker 15: highly of him as far as his interactions with those
Speaker 15: in the program in review. In this case, it's entirety
Speaker 15: considering all things, and I too support the court systems
Speaker 15: and their findings.
Speaker 6: Upon my review this case, my.
Speaker 15: Vote today is parol to the max April thirty, twenty
Speaker 15: twenty four, Reasons four and five.
Speaker 1: And after review the entire record and hearing all the
Speaker 1: statements both the opposition and support, and my vote would
Speaker 1: be to parole to the max for April thirty, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, Reasons four and five. Mister Davison, What are
Speaker 1: your conditions?
Speaker 14: Yes, The special conditions are entering complete the Noah Community
Speaker 14: Outreach Program for a period of one year.
Speaker 12: Agree.
Speaker 14: Mandatory mental health and substance of use evaluation and treatment
Speaker 14: as necessary.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 14: Agree Anger and stress management evaluation and treatment as necessary.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 14: Agree six months community controlled during the Noah Community Outreach Program,
Speaker 14: followed by eighteen months of curfew ten pm to six am.
Speaker 6: Agree.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 14: Participate in the after care components of the FIU Alumni
Speaker 14: Program and the Noah Community outreach program. Agree no contact
Speaker 14: with the victims family and case number eighty eight twenty
Speaker 14: three forty six. Agree n AAA three times per week
Speaker 14: for the first year, two times per week thereafter.
Speaker 6: Agree pay restitution to.
Speaker 14: Be determined the case number eighty eight, that's twenty three
Speaker 14: forty six. Agree and mandatory attendance at the first supervision
Speaker 14: before the Florida Commission offend of review unless otherwise excused
Speaker 14: for good costs by the Commission or the parole officer.
Speaker 9: I agree.
Speaker 6: I don't have any additional terms. I don't know that
Speaker 6: concludes my terms.
Speaker 1: Thank everyone. Just take a real brief break so that
Speaker 1: the cameras can be very movement.
Speaker 14: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Leo is being paroled and he'll be getting out of
Speaker 4: everyglades on April thirtieth.
Speaker 16: What happened today. Obviously it's a good thing, but it's
Speaker 16: just a step, a step on a much longer road.
Speaker 16: Leo is going to be paroled. Then I'll go to
Speaker 16: a halfway house. But he's not free, and people need
Speaker 16: to understand he's still a convicted murderer.
Speaker 12: He is not free.
Speaker 16: He's gotten all kinds of restrictions and all kinds of hoops.
Speaker 16: He's going to have to jump through, and it's going
Speaker 16: to be extremely difficult.
Speaker 3: While it's a good thing in a.
Speaker 16: Sense, it's prison without bars, is what it is. And
Speaker 16: some folks have extreme difficulty doing it because you look
Speaker 16: like you're free and you can go out in public
Speaker 16: and you can do certain things. But he's going to
Speaker 16: literally have to account for literally.
Speaker 11: Every minute of his day and he has to have
Speaker 11: permission to do everything.
Speaker 16: Try living that way. So the fight now turns to
Speaker 16: looking into getting him exonerated. But he's in for a
Speaker 16: very difficult time, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 17: You want to walk and talk for a minute, Sure,
Speaker 17: I get us up crying.
Speaker 2: You're loving right.
Speaker 17: The whole entire day is exhausting. You know, you think
Speaker 17: you're going to be calm and cool and relaxed, and
Speaker 17: they start talking.
Speaker 14: And in the tone and.
Speaker 17: You're the emotions and the butterflies just kick in and
Speaker 17: you just start going, oh, here come the tears, Here
Speaker 17: come the tears, and uh so it's a lot. It's ah,
Speaker 17: it's hard to put into words the level of emotion
Speaker 17: that I feel right now. Like a lot of people
Speaker 17: are saying congratulations and yay, and it's exciting, but it's
Speaker 17: we're still we're not done. He's not free. I mean
Speaker 17: he's out, but it's not over.
Speaker 13: M