Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, Worldwide Football.
Speaker 2: Pants, Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Greg Roosevelt stepping in for one day in the
Speaker 2: host chair for Dan Hansas in a room filled with
Speaker 2: one hero, Mark Sessler. That room being at Chris Westling's
Speaker 2: podcast studio.
Speaker 3: But Mark, yeah, it's uh, you know, it's it's always
Speaker 3: tough not to have Dan with us, but it's like,
Speaker 3: I think the toughest part is again I get put
Speaker 3: in this seat where I'm like, my body feels awkward.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Body looks good. Your body looks good.
Speaker 2: All of our bodies, considering we're getting older, is looking good.
Speaker 2: I can say the same about our guests, and it's rare.
Speaker 2: We just go right into it. But this is an
Speaker 2: important man at our company. He's so important. Actually, he
Speaker 2: insisted that Dan and him not do the show together,
Speaker 2: and I thought, we thought, like, that's that's like a
Speaker 2: lot to ask, that's kind of diva behavior. But he's
Speaker 2: that important at draft time that we're gonna welcome in
Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah move the sticks.
Speaker 1: Thank you Daniel for joining us.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, this is Jariffolo Colin call him
Speaker 4: back later. Two things. Number one. I had two conditions
Speaker 4: for me to come on this show. One, Dan's not there,
Speaker 4: that's a given, right he's there, I'm out. That's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other condition was, I said, here's the thing, I'll
Speaker 4: do it. First of all, I love Sessler, so I'm
Speaker 4: happy to do it for Cessler if I'm gonna If
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work with Greg, though, I need him to
Speaker 4: dress up like Fonzie. If he dresses like Phonsie.
Speaker 1: It's funny, then I'll come on.
Speaker 2: I just like kind of took off my jacket was
Speaker 2: a little hot in here, and I thought, what are
Speaker 2: the odds that Jeremiah doesn't mention this almost right away?
Speaker 2: So you've made me self conscious? And this is why
Speaker 2: we're getting such big numbers on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Is action like this? You can actually watch me now, says.
Speaker 4: Anybody watching you even know who FANSI.
Speaker 3: Is not at this point, not at this point. And
Speaker 3: I feel like I've escaped your eyre for a decade plus.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate that it feels sincere. But you have
Speaker 3: incredible power to remove Dan from the seat and also
Speaker 3: alter Greg's wardrobe. That these things are not easily done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just lost money on the fact that that's
Speaker 4: not a leather jacket that he draped over his white shirt,
Speaker 4: So I lost that bet.
Speaker 1: It's d Day's time of year.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're thrilled because we're taping this Thursday, exactly
Speaker 2: one week away from the NFL Draft. It's a long
Speaker 2: process here for Jeremi. I mean no, no, it's crying
Speaker 2: for you here. But you switched straight from the Chargers
Speaker 2: into cranking these players out, and now you're only one
Speaker 2: week away. What do you what is your post draft plan?
Speaker 2: You have to work for one more week and then
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 4: I've shortened it down. I used to the draft would
Speaker 4: end and then literally would work the next day and
Speaker 4: work that entire week. We would do Path to the Draft,
Speaker 4: very ironically named after the draft for a week for
Speaker 4: a week afterwards, and then over the years that got
Speaker 4: shortened till okay, just you can just work till Thursday.
Speaker 4: We'll give you that Friday off and then you're free
Speaker 4: to the point now where I only have to do
Speaker 4: that first day, So I think I do the Monday
Speaker 4: show and then that's it, so I get a little
Speaker 4: bit of a break, but it's kind of weird, and
Speaker 4: you guys know with kids, like I still have two
Speaker 4: in the house and then they you know, they're still
Speaker 4: in school. So everybody's like, oh, do you go on vacation?
Speaker 4: What do you do after? I'm like nothing, I'm just
Speaker 4: sitting at home, like looking at baseball box scores and
Speaker 4: trying to figure out if I'm gonna run on the
Speaker 4: treadmill or ride the bike. Like that's that's the that's
Speaker 4: what's going on.
Speaker 3: I think what you should tell us at least cook
Speaker 3: up some sort of misadventure that makes us think. You know,
Speaker 3: Daniel jeremis at the forefront of a Personal Experience post.
Speaker 2: He's listening to eighties R and B. He's watching the
Speaker 2: padres nothing that could make him happier. I'm going to
Speaker 2: start my questions here, DJ by putting you in the
Speaker 2: minds of all thirty two gms. So this is a
Speaker 2: world where you're actually running every team, but you can't
Speaker 2: make trades because you'd be trading with yourself. This is
Speaker 2: it's a scary world to think about. But if you
Speaker 2: were the GM of every team, who is the first
Speaker 2: team you would take brock Bauers for because the closer
Speaker 2: we get to this draft, like the more I'm just
Speaker 2: fascinated by him as a player and his discussion and
Speaker 2: value and all that. Like, which is the first team
Speaker 2: if it was your team? And we know ya look, yeah,
Speaker 2: some of these teams, you know, they they sprinkle around interest.
Speaker 2: Maybe someday when the kids are older, DJ Willy will
Speaker 2: be working for a team.
Speaker 1: Which team are you taking Bowers with?
Speaker 4: This is gonna mean, this is saying this as somebody
Speaker 4: who hasn't rated very highly, like maybe seven or eight.
Speaker 4: I think on my list somewhere around there. The first
Speaker 4: team where I would personally take him with my team
Speaker 4: would be fifteen with Indian Rose Coults. So and that's
Speaker 4: for you know, different reasons. There's not needs for some
Speaker 4: of these teams at that position. Then there's teams that
Speaker 4: have you know, you know, golly you've got if you're
Speaker 4: if you're picking right before them. The New Orleans Saints
Speaker 4: have to take a tackle. Like they've painted themselves into
Speaker 4: a corner here. They can't do this penning. They can't
Speaker 4: do penning anymore. They can't try that.
Speaker 2: I mean they are they're not even trying to do
Speaker 2: it now. They they they'd rather play like their fourth
Speaker 2: string tackle than him.
Speaker 4: And then ram check is gonna be done. So like
Speaker 4: they have no they have to they have to take
Speaker 4: a tackle. So and then you look at you know,
Speaker 4: I see the I see the Broncos twice a year.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, they they have functional tight ends. They
Speaker 4: have other needs.
Speaker 3: That they can ye Jets, I thought, so I I to.
Speaker 4: Me, with the Jets, I go, I go a couple
Speaker 4: different ways. I to me, Romaduonday is a home run pick.
Speaker 4: Like I never thought in a million years in that
Speaker 4: draft that Garrett Wilson would get to them with their
Speaker 4: second pick. I thought it was going to be a decision.
Speaker 4: And I had them touching each other on my list,
Speaker 4: which was Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, can't go wrong. You're
Speaker 4: gonna get one, no way you get both. And then
Speaker 4: somehow it happened with Garrett Wilson following a lap. So
Speaker 4: I won't rule it out that somehow, after everything went
Speaker 4: against them last year in terms of good fortune, that
Speaker 4: maybe they get that good fortune that they had that draft,
Speaker 4: and somehow Roma dunsays there I would take Rome over Bowers.
Speaker 4: And then it comes down to, well, if it's Bowers
Speaker 4: versus the tackles I've been saying I have and I
Speaker 4: would have a higher grade on Bowers than the second
Speaker 4: rated tackle, but I you know, and having some conversations
Speaker 4: over the last twenty four hours, one of the things
Speaker 4: that was brought to my mind was if you don't
Speaker 4: look at him as a tackle, like if you look
Speaker 4: at Fuaga or Fatanu as guys who can play different
Speaker 4: spots for a team that has been so you know,
Speaker 4: so hit with injuries. To have them, I think either
Speaker 4: one of those guys, in my opinion, at least they
Speaker 4: beat out John Simpson right away and they start at guard.
Speaker 4: And then if Tyron Smith, some might say, when he
Speaker 4: gets hurt, you have one of these guys as it
Speaker 4: can you know now he can kick out and play tackle.
Speaker 4: So when I stop looking at him strictly as just
Speaker 4: a tackle, but saying okay, I can still get him
Speaker 4: on the field right now, while also gives me a
Speaker 4: little bit of insurance for these two thirty three year
Speaker 4: old tackles. That's why I bypassed Bowers there as the.
Speaker 3: Jets interesting, you know, I found it enjoyable and intriguing
Speaker 3: to watch you and Mel Kuiper in you know, headshots
Speaker 3: next to each other talking about these picks. I mean,
Speaker 3: I grew up Mel Kuiper, we all did, like, so
Speaker 3: it was kind of fasting.
Speaker 4: So he's the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like, I mean, at this point,
Speaker 3: I think people turned him into almost a caricature, and
Speaker 3: it's like he's still grinding and doing all this. So
Speaker 3: I when I watch only one player, because you guys
Speaker 3: brought up Michael Pennox Junior, and I believe you had
Speaker 3: him at about thirteen, going around thirteen, and Kuiper has
Speaker 3: him all the way down at thirty seven. We had
Speaker 3: Chad Rider in here yesterday who had him the Raiders
Speaker 3: trading up for him, but in the second round taking
Speaker 3: Carolina's pick. So it's like, this is a quarterback. I
Speaker 3: know those the top four, but this guy seems to
Speaker 3: be all over the map. Why is there beyond the
Speaker 3: injury history? And what is the disparity between you Kuiper
Speaker 3: and person X and Y and Z.
Speaker 4: So here's the here's the fascinating part about that. And
Speaker 4: first of all, I'm glad you brought that up about
Speaker 4: Mel because I think you know he's got the voice,
Speaker 4: He's got the hair, he's got the iconic moment, you know,
Speaker 4: the flashback, the mailman, the whole, the whole thing, right,
Speaker 4: I think people need to put a little bit more
Speaker 4: respect on the work that he does. Like he puts
Speaker 4: in a ton of work, and you can't fake it.
Speaker 4: It's one thing that I've learned, you know, obviously from
Speaker 4: the scouting side, but then to this side of it.
Speaker 4: You can't fake it.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen to people.
Speaker 4: When they're talking about players, and when you hear people
Speaker 4: reference when I watched him against Notre Dame, when when
Speaker 4: I saw that, Like they're referencing moments of the work
Speaker 4: that they've done versus some pluralities and generalities that can
Speaker 4: get tossed around that I can pick up a you know,
Speaker 4: the stats and look at him and I can give
Speaker 4: you that like he the guy works hard.
Speaker 2: He we we do fake it, Daniel, It's fine, but
Speaker 2: the show is doing.
Speaker 4: The people won't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the whole.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, what is the huge difference between Fashanu Fuaga
Speaker 2: and Fatanu Like we'll get back to you on that
Speaker 2: next time.
Speaker 4: But I did want to make that point about mel
Speaker 4: because I love him and he is literally like he
Speaker 4: is a sweetheart of a man, like he is such
Speaker 4: a nice guy who treats people really really well. So anyways,
Speaker 4: outside of that, did Pennix So Mark, I have Penix
Speaker 4: as I think my thirty fourth rated player, but I
Speaker 4: had him going thirteenth, and I think that confuses people,
Speaker 4: and so I try to explain it the best of
Speaker 4: the way that I can. There's taking players where you
Speaker 4: have him rated, but then there's also like, let's have
Speaker 4: some common sense here and this if we're going to
Speaker 4: all agree, is we I'm sure we do. The quarterback
Speaker 4: is the most important position on your team and it's
Speaker 4: going to be the biggest indicator whether or not you're
Speaker 4: going to be successful or not if you're the Raiders.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get by this point of saying, yes, he's
Speaker 4: my thirty fourth player. Some of that's injuries, you know,
Speaker 4: factoring into that. But I have Gardner Minshew and I
Speaker 4: have Aidan O'Connell. Sure is he better than what I
Speaker 4: have at the most important position. Yes, he is infinitely
Speaker 4: more talented. Like that's not debatable, it's not even close.
Speaker 4: So if I man, I can say, well I have
Speaker 4: this player rated that higher, that player rated higher, well,
Speaker 4: me upgrading a tackle or me upgrading you know, a corner.
Speaker 4: Is that the same as me I can upgrade the
Speaker 4: quarterback position here, like, don't you have to consider that?
Speaker 4: And that's why I have the thirty fourth player on
Speaker 4: my board. Going with the thirteenth pick makes sense.
Speaker 2: It does make sense, and you can see. Look, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's crazy to imagine him slipping into the
Speaker 2: second or late first. No, no, and then they get in
Speaker 2: the mix forum there or they just stick with their
Speaker 2: two picks and they get him in the second.
Speaker 1: We've just seen that very often.
Speaker 2: And if he's the fifth quarterback, let's say, or the sixth,
Speaker 2: those guys do fall far farther than people think. I
Speaker 2: want to get more to the top quarterbacks because I
Speaker 2: want to ask you. I have my takes, I have
Speaker 2: a theory on this, but I want to hear yours,
Speaker 2: yours first, because I know how you like to steal
Speaker 2: my takes.
Speaker 3: Dade topping here, DJ, I'm so, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: No, I know, Mark, Look you your place is secure
Speaker 4: on my on my board. Okay, you don't need to
Speaker 4: even chime in on that.
Speaker 2: Jayde and Daniels or Drake may just which evaluation is harder.
Speaker 4: That's a good point. They're they're they're they're equal because
Speaker 4: you're trying to evaluate one guy for what he doesn't
Speaker 4: have and evaluate the other guy for an excess of
Speaker 4: riches in terms of what they're playing with. And you know,
Speaker 4: so the thing that's that I look at is I've
Speaker 4: seen I've seen Drake May you know, with a lesser
Speaker 4: cast last year than what Jaden Daniels had this year
Speaker 4: played a really high level with just a with a
Speaker 4: with a solid B level supporting cast. I've seen him
Speaker 4: play at a really high level. Now, his supporting cast
Speaker 4: this year was terrible, and his play, you know, took
Speaker 4: a dip, and it wasn't all their fault. He got
Speaker 4: some mechanical things out of whack, his delivery got a
Speaker 4: little bit long, he wasn't quite as firm with his feet,
Speaker 4: like there was things that he he let go a
Speaker 4: little bit. With Jaden Daniels, I have, you know, all
Speaker 4: these other years of him playing at kind of just
Speaker 4: a huole hum mediocre level and then this year skyrockets
Speaker 4: with you know, a unbelievable supporting cast. But I also
Speaker 4: look at it and say, I saw, even though he
Speaker 4: had more playing experience than Burrow. I saw Burrow take
Speaker 4: off like a rocket ship when it just all clicked,
Speaker 4: when they put an offense in place that matched his abilities,
Speaker 4: he exploded and took off. So I'm not dismissing what
Speaker 4: Jayden did by any stretch, but I am more forgiving
Speaker 4: of Drake. And I think you always look in the
Speaker 4: past to try and help predict the future, and at
Speaker 4: least at least from a theory standpoint. And when I
Speaker 4: look at, you know, Josh Allen from his second to
Speaker 4: last year to his final year and the regression that
Speaker 4: took place as the erosion of the supporting cast, it
Speaker 4: was awful. I looked at Jordan Love the exact same
Speaker 4: situation the year before at UTAs State. I watched him
Speaker 4: and I was like, Hey, this guy's gonna be great.
Speaker 4: Can't wait to watch him the next year. The next year,
Speaker 4: they were terrible and he was terrible. So I've seen
Speaker 4: those guys. In other words, I've seen Drake may do it.
Speaker 4: I know he can do it right. It's a bigger guy,
Speaker 4: he's more physical. I've seen him throw with anticipation. I've
Speaker 4: seen him work in the in the mud in the
Speaker 4: middle of the field. I've seen him create things when
Speaker 4: pressure comes, like, so I don't get beholden to what's
Speaker 4: the last thing I saw in the last year. It's
Speaker 4: more of a body of work. And that's why I
Speaker 4: ended up with Drake May over jayde and Daniels. Sorry
Speaker 4: it's a word salad there, but it is kind of
Speaker 4: tricky too.
Speaker 2: I think it's the most fascinating thing in the draft,
Speaker 2: especially for basics like us on some level that like I,
Speaker 2: my theory is May is the easier because you've seen
Speaker 2: him be in a tough spot and you've seen him
Speaker 2: do such high level stuff. When I went and I
Speaker 2: went back, and yeah, the quarterbacks are the most exciting
Speaker 2: thing for me to watch certainly, and it's like.
Speaker 3: You see it all and even this year.
Speaker 2: When you watch this stuff this year, it's like, did
Speaker 2: he take that biggest step back? I I hear you
Speaker 2: that he's like misses, he misses throws more than.
Speaker 3: More than more than you would want.
Speaker 2: But he also has a consistency where every single game,
Speaker 2: even this year, he's doing stuff that wows you. You
Speaker 2: can see him as a red zone beast. I love
Speaker 2: the guys that you mentioned, Alan and love because that's
Speaker 2: the same sort of type of prospect he reminds me of,
Speaker 2: just that he's just physically just who.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't want to work with that? And you love him
Speaker 1: both you have five and six.
Speaker 2: But to me, Daniels is extremely hard to evaluate because
Speaker 2: people get on McCarthy that he never you know, he
Speaker 2: didn't have to do much, didn't have to throw the
Speaker 2: It's like Jane Daniels threw the ball three hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five times this year. He wasn't that highly thought
Speaker 2: of a prospect till his last like half season of
Speaker 2: five seasons, and he's surrounded by great players. I think
Speaker 2: it was you or it was Mina. It was you
Speaker 2: and Mina that mentioned the RG three comp and that's
Speaker 2: really stuck in my head since, and not as like
Speaker 2: a negative because RG three was extremely accurate. You saw
Speaker 2: how well he fit with Shanahan and look, he outplayed
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck as a rookie. It wasn't like he was
Speaker 2: a bad prospect. But he reminded Jane Natals reminds me
Speaker 2: of him, which I find it kind of hard that
Speaker 2: he gets pressure on him and then he just he
Speaker 2: just goes, which is not necessarily what you want. Right
Speaker 2: at the NFL that like he doesn't stick stick there
Speaker 2: and throw a lot under pressure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it's kind of one or the other, you know.
Speaker 4: And to me, even as a runner, he reminded me
Speaker 4: of RG three and that he's kind of a narrow
Speaker 4: frame guy who's extremely fast but is not super elusive
Speaker 4: and who takes shots.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I think was was a Holodi that broke his leg.
Speaker 4: I think it was Helodi who hit him at RG
Speaker 4: three and.
Speaker 2: Right, it may take shots too, to be fair, but
Speaker 2: he's bigger, but he's just sturdier dude.
Speaker 4: So you know, that's that's what I struggle with a
Speaker 4: little bit. But he is. He is a really good thrower,
Speaker 4: like I've I was texting with a Ben Kurd about it.
Speaker 4: Who's you know. I love the fact we have so
Speaker 4: many people that are like watching these guys and putting
Speaker 4: their opinions out there. I think it's great. I think
Speaker 4: it's fun discussion. But you know, I try to communicate
Speaker 4: with as many people as I can. And we were
Speaker 4: having a little chat about it and I said, you know, mechanically,
Speaker 4: he looks like he looks like a really skinny CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 4: just in terms of posture, feet in the ground, throwing
Speaker 4: the ball accurately, you know, touch, drive, you can do
Speaker 4: all those things. But Stroud and we saw it in
Speaker 4: in samples in college and then saw it in bulk
Speaker 4: with the Texans has he is more. He's just more
Speaker 4: creative and more natural in terms of when things when
Speaker 4: he's getting moved around and making things happen. And I
Speaker 4: just didn't see Jayden quite like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, this draft has it's every draft has their
Speaker 3: own characteristics, and it's like very quarterback heavy and the
Speaker 3: wide receiver class it may be possibly unprecedented. But then
Speaker 3: on the flip side, I was driving down from my
Speaker 3: place today listening to you and Bucky do your all
Speaker 3: defensive mock draft where you've got to pick thirty two
Speaker 3: defensive players and ignore all those guys. It was almost
Speaker 3: comical because you got to about pick nine and it's
Speaker 3: like you were doing it live.
Speaker 2: And I listened to that weeks ago DD because I'm
Speaker 2: more of just like a real you know, this is
Speaker 2: why this is why we need Greg in the host
Speaker 2: chair kno Man, because we get that kind of duck
Speaker 2: kind of l that's self.
Speaker 4: When he's out there working on the motorbike. He likes
Speaker 4: to throw on this shah. I'm just saying I didn't
Speaker 4: at the last.
Speaker 3: You know, I was, well, I like to I like
Speaker 3: to get crash, but I just I do find it
Speaker 3: interesting is I can't remember a draft like this where,
Speaker 3: like you basically said, it's going to be an s
Speaker 3: show when you get you get down to the mid
Speaker 3: twenties and you guys are really struggling even try to
Speaker 3: find fits for what the team needs were. And it's like,
Speaker 3: have you seen a defensive draft like this where the
Speaker 3: first round talent maybe withers away as quick as it does.
Speaker 4: No, And that's why, uh, I was curious on that
Speaker 4: exercise how it would go because offensively, I mean, we
Speaker 4: finished the first round with thirty two offensive players, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, I got six more receivers. I could
Speaker 4: I can justify taking you know here if we were
Speaker 4: to extend this out into the second round. And then defensively,
Speaker 4: it's like, holy crud, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 4: Like this is not a first round player. So that's
Speaker 4: it was. It was a healthy exercise, which to me
Speaker 4: can inform some decisions and could push up some of
Speaker 4: these defensive players like I've I've been saying over the
Speaker 4: last couple of days, like Byron Murphy to me from Texas,
Speaker 4: the defensive tackle, who is the best interior disruptor and
Speaker 4: pass rusher in this draft? I think is going to
Speaker 4: go higher than people think. I think there's a premium
Speaker 4: on that. I was talking to a general manager two
Speaker 4: days ago and we were having this discussion and he
Speaker 4: posed an interesting question, which was, right down, if you
Speaker 4: write down on a sheet of paper, you know how
Speaker 4: many dominant edge rushers are there in the NFL. You
Speaker 4: go pretty deep on that of really impactful dominant edge rushers,
Speaker 4: and now write the impactful dominant defensive tackles and you'll
Speaker 4: come up with seven or eight and then that's that's
Speaker 4: about it. So if you've got a chance to get
Speaker 4: one who you think can be one of those guys, hey,
Speaker 4: there's value. Look at the Look what these guys are making.
Speaker 4: Look what Christian Wilkins, look at all these guys that
Speaker 4: got paid in the off season. The value of that
Speaker 4: position for those types of guys. And it was his
Speaker 4: argument was like, why would Byron Murphy not go ahead
Speaker 4: of these edge rushers like they're similar type players? And
Speaker 4: he's a heck of a lot harder to find.
Speaker 3: I guess, like from an esoteric ang why like is
Speaker 3: this just a one year type thing? Like why is
Speaker 3: there such a dearth of defensive talent? It feels like
Speaker 3: that there'd be a similar amount.
Speaker 4: Each yeir nah, just ebbs and flows. I mean like
Speaker 4: last year's tight end class was the best that I'd
Speaker 4: seen twenty years. I mean, I'd never seen anything like that.
Speaker 4: This year it's not very good. So it's just, you know,
Speaker 4: it's how you hit it. It's just how it falls.
Speaker 4: The one thing that we're going to see consistently is
Speaker 4: they'll be you know, they'll be receivers every year, no
Speaker 4: matter what, They'll always be receivers.
Speaker 2: All right, what if I took you your Byron Murphy take,
Speaker 2: but I replaced it with Johnny Newton.
Speaker 1: Donny Newton's my guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I don't know, I'm not. I guess
Speaker 2: explain to me why he's not like a potential top
Speaker 2: ten pick, because he is a guy that I that
Speaker 2: you watch and it's like he wins every snap, it
Speaker 2: seems like, and the more the more, the more you watch,
Speaker 2: it's just like he wins and wins and wins and
Speaker 2: wins and wins, and you can just see that working.
Speaker 2: Like he seemed next level and he seemed like a
Speaker 2: guy that I was like, is this one of those
Speaker 2: guys teams aren't talking about because they all want to
Speaker 2: take him because they love him? Probably, but probably I
Speaker 2: don't know if that really happens. Why Why wouldn't he
Speaker 2: be higher? Because he seems like a really exciting guy
Speaker 2: along with Murphy.
Speaker 1: Murphy's great too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a really good player, right to me, Like,
Speaker 4: if you told me that he was going to be
Speaker 4: a top fifteen pick, I wouldn't I wouldn't bat an
Speaker 4: eye on at that at all. And he's part of
Speaker 4: that discussion and rightfully so to bring him up that
Speaker 4: I think you'll see him get raised up now in
Speaker 4: terms of like what I thought of him, like the
Speaker 4: concerns I had. I thought he was unbelievable with his hands,
Speaker 4: like he has like it's like a car bomb goes
Speaker 4: off when he hits guys.
Speaker 1: He has got violent jolting that translated.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, it's really good.
Speaker 4: But you if you're not a force generator from the ground,
Speaker 4: that's a little more difficult against NFL players. So In
Speaker 4: other words, if you're generating, if you're if you're twisting
Speaker 4: guys and torking guys and turning guys in college, you
Speaker 4: can do that a lot easier than it is to
Speaker 4: do that against a twenty eight year old man up here.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna beat, if you're gonna beat really good
Speaker 4: NFL offensive lineman, you have to beat him with leverage
Speaker 4: and roll your hips and have your legs underneath you
Speaker 4: and win from kind of the floor up, not just
Speaker 4: the hands. So that to me is, you know, one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why there was a separation there with
Speaker 4: him and Murphy.
Speaker 3: I know it comes as no surprise to you that
Speaker 3: Greg and I we've kind of cornered the market when
Speaker 3: it comes to studying offensive lineman, what they should be
Speaker 3: doing on the field, how they react, the physical nature
Speaker 3: of it. But I found it interesting, he said that executives
Speaker 3: kept mentioning to you over and over Graham Barton, for
Speaker 3: his versatility, plays all like that. This guy sounds like
Speaker 3: he could go anywhere and be of a meet at service.
Speaker 4: Well, he's played He's played center as a seventeen year
Speaker 4: old freshman at Duke and played it well. And then
Speaker 4: he's played left tackle. If you can play center and
Speaker 4: left tackle, you can play left and right guard, so
Speaker 4: you're a five position flex guy. And he's incredibly intelligent.
Speaker 4: So it's he's one of those guys who he's good
Speaker 4: on tape at tackle, but you're like, he's not. That's
Speaker 4: not probably his best position. He's going to be better
Speaker 4: served to get inside at center. But the tape is good,
Speaker 4: so you get good tape. Then the testing was outstanding.
Speaker 4: He had a great workout, and then, as you can imagine,
Speaker 4: when you have those two things going for you and
Speaker 4: your Duke level smart you get in and meet with
Speaker 4: these teams so many of which which I think is
Speaker 4: a big theme in this draft, and I think you
Speaker 4: know something to keep an eye on going forward, is
Speaker 4: this league is so full of young starting quarterbacks and
Speaker 4: we're going to add a handful more this year, so
Speaker 4: teams are trying to do everything they can to serve
Speaker 4: those young quarterbacks. Having a freaking genius center that he
Speaker 4: can play with for a long extended period of time
Speaker 4: is a nice quality to have.
Speaker 2: That almost sounds like uh landon Dickerson coming out. Other
Speaker 2: than I know people were concerned with the injuries but
Speaker 2: just like that was when you were you were very
Speaker 2: high on they'll give you your props coming in and
Speaker 2: that was absolutely right. He's turned into a bargain. They
Speaker 2: just gave him a ton of ton of money. That
Speaker 2: actually makes me think, do you have some what are
Speaker 2: some picks or maybe just one like one one uh
Speaker 2: selection over the years. Take one of your guys that
Speaker 2: you're like at that you're proud of that, yet you
Speaker 2: want to stick your chest out, and then to balance
Speaker 2: it out one that you wish you had.
Speaker 4: Bounce a wish fifty whiffs the hits because.
Speaker 1: You could you remember him better? You mean, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because you're just like, oh gosh, but I mean the
Speaker 4: the hits never make their way to the front of
Speaker 4: your brain. Those were always like lodge somewhere in the
Speaker 4: in the back of your brain. I always just did
Speaker 4: a fallback with Kelsey because that wasn't you know, that
Speaker 4: was a fun one. But I mean, that's like the
Speaker 4: greatest example of scouting to me of what scouting is
Speaker 4: is that you're going to come out, Okay, you really
Speaker 4: want to come out to the front of the stage.
Speaker 4: As one of the people who evaluated Jason Kelcey and
Speaker 4: we took him, what was he the sixth round and
Speaker 4: he's going to go into the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 4: you know, one of the best centers of all time.
Speaker 4: You want to beat your chest on that, or do
Speaker 4: you want to remind everybody that we took Danny Watkins
Speaker 4: in the first round of that same draft.
Speaker 2: Well that's like I think, Scott piol you got to
Speaker 2: keep keeping his on his office.
Speaker 1: There were some guys from tight End Stakowski.
Speaker 2: I believe they took a round in front of Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: so he always kept that framed on his desk as
Speaker 2: a reminder of like, you're not as smart as you think.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, but like you know, the fun ones like
Speaker 4: Geno Stone, I could not want. He was watching him
Speaker 4: coming out and I went back and I was watching
Speaker 4: some of the old draft stuff and that was my
Speaker 4: kind when it got picked him, Like I didn't, I
Speaker 4: don't understand it. Like I I him like a he
Speaker 4: was like a third round grade. And I would talk.
Speaker 4: All I do is talk to gms and buddies around
Speaker 4: the league, and I'm like, nobody liked the guy, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, what am I missing? Like he's just a
Speaker 4: good player, gets his hands on the football. He's super instinctive, smart, tough.
Speaker 4: And then the Ravens I think took him in like
Speaker 4: the sixth or seventh round, and I think he just
Speaker 4: got paid a nice chunk of money in free agency.
Speaker 4: He's been a really, really good player. So those are
Speaker 4: the those are kind of the fun ones. But then
Speaker 4: for every one of those, there's ten where you're like, oh, man, like,
Speaker 4: I mean, look like, I didn't trailing Burks. I thought
Speaker 4: was a really good player. I didn't necessarily think, you know,
Speaker 4: he was going to be an All Pro, but I
Speaker 4: thought he'd be doing more than he's doing.
Speaker 3: Now, we'll let you go in a minute. Here. There's
Speaker 3: so much wide receiver talk, but there's one guy, and
Speaker 3: I know that he had like concerns with whether it's
Speaker 3: off the field or what happened on the field after
Speaker 3: a game. But yeah, Jermaine Burton from Alabama. Like watching him.
Speaker 3: I know, because of all that other stuff, maybe some
Speaker 3: teams don't even have him on their board, but I
Speaker 3: loved what I saw, Like, is it is this person
Speaker 3: like draftable or is it gonna be what happens? What's
Speaker 3: the destiny here?
Speaker 4: There's a lot of ability there. Yeah, No. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: everybody's it's all different, right, everybody has their things. I
Speaker 4: don't ever jump into that stuff. There's no win for
Speaker 4: me and doing that, So I just say he's he's
Speaker 4: got to have a lot of ability. But that's why
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of a challenge in terms of
Speaker 4: the stuff you learn, you know, talking to everybody and
Speaker 4: doing all the homework versus the pure Like in some ways, Mark,
Speaker 4: like what you're doing is just a pure scouting, you know,
Speaker 4: like this would be an example of that because you
Speaker 4: did it. Remember you asked me about George Pickens, the
Speaker 4: George Pickens yere Greg did.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Greg's like, what am I missing? This guy's a freak.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I know, it's not that the tape is great,
Speaker 4: but everybody's got to figure out all the other stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's sort of what Pickens is.
Speaker 2: He's kind of born out on both sides of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the talent is the charts, but there's there's some headache there.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 4: So I mean that's what I'm getting to Mark, And
Speaker 4: that's why, like when you're in the draft room, this
Speaker 4: is the discussion that takes place where the area scout
Speaker 4: who went into the school, got all the information. He
Speaker 4: might have a lower grade on a player, and then
Speaker 4: they'll give cross check assignments and the guy in in
Speaker 4: the southeast or you know, other part of the country
Speaker 4: is going to watch the same player, and he's like
Speaker 4: this area scout's an idiot, Like this guy's much better
Speaker 4: than that. And it's like, yeah, well you're just doing
Speaker 4: the pure football evaluation and he's doing the whole the
Speaker 4: whole picture, you know, So then you have to have
Speaker 4: that discussion.
Speaker 1: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Who's uh? And yeah, I know, I know. You got
Speaker 2: mina times later and Move the Sticks. Everyone should check
Speaker 2: that out. You've probably got a million things.
Speaker 4: We did a home and home. We did a little
Speaker 4: uh one on her podcast's coming on Move the Sticks.
Speaker 4: That's nice trade.
Speaker 3: Everyone wins.
Speaker 1: It's the ESPN crossover.
Speaker 4: Does she also have the same role that she doesn't
Speaker 4: come on unless Dan's not on your show?
Speaker 1: She has engaged with Dan on the show many times,
Speaker 1: many times.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, so he wasn't supposed to be there and
Speaker 4: showed up any She.
Speaker 3: Doesn't have a ten year grudge Matt, whether it's real
Speaker 3: or fake with I.
Speaker 1: Think it really is.
Speaker 4: It might really be I think it is, it is,
Speaker 4: it is. Do you remember what the first iteration.
Speaker 3: Of that being, No, it goes back to like ancient Greece.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's it's deep ancestry, do you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the wholesome fun of.
Speaker 4: Him for dressing like an uber driver, a Lemo driver
Speaker 4: or something on the very first episode.
Speaker 2: That's the wholesome assassins. And now I'm now I'm Fonz.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Last last football one for you is we just haven't
Speaker 2: talked running backs, Like, who do you like? Who's your
Speaker 2: favorite running back in this class? He thinks gonna step
Speaker 2: in and do some fantasy damage.
Speaker 4: Maybe Yeah, I like Marshall Lloyd from SC He's like
Speaker 4: got the perfect running back bodies five a's two hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty pounds. He catched the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 4: He's not bad as a past protector, so to me,
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of his. I like Ray Davis from
Speaker 4: Kentucky another one who's like two fifteen sturdy guy. And
Speaker 4: then just in terms of like two guys, I think
Speaker 4: they're going to have a roll and catch balls next year,
Speaker 4: Bucky Irving can really catch it out of the backfield
Speaker 4: from Oregon, who like kind of gives me a little
Speaker 4: Devin Singletary vibes coming out of college, so that would
Speaker 4: be one. And then Dylan Lowby, who might he might
Speaker 4: not even get drafted, he'd be a six to seventh
Speaker 4: round pick, maybe even a free agent. But the kid
Speaker 4: out of New Hampshire, he caught a bazillion balls. So like,
Speaker 4: to me, I don't think it's a great running back year,
Speaker 4: but you got a couple interesting guys who can kind
Speaker 4: of be more feature backs, and then after that those
Speaker 4: are a couple guys will be kind of third down
Speaker 4: guys catch the ball a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's why I like DJ, even though sort of on
Speaker 2: some level, you're and you know this, your prospects list
Speaker 2: set the tone in some ways for the rest of
Speaker 2: the draftnick industrial complex out there, Like your your prospect
Speaker 2: list has real impact. But you ask him about the
Speaker 2: running backs, like that's way off a lot of those
Speaker 2: consensus boards, and I like that.
Speaker 1: DJ's thinking, yeah, you know, I was talking.
Speaker 4: I talked to someone last night and we just got
Speaker 4: the running backs, and it's like his top three running
Speaker 4: back would be like my eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth rundbacks.
Speaker 4: Like it's just a weird year with that group.
Speaker 2: All right, Daniel Deremia, it's your week, it's your time
Speaker 2: of year. I'm looking forward to uh watching you round one.
Speaker 1: You know, be nice.
Speaker 2: To to the rest of the guys, like, don't don't
Speaker 2: flex so much more, you know than all them.
Speaker 4: No, I'll tell you what, Mark, It's been great to
Speaker 4: be with you as always. As always, you're absolutely the best.
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody who has endured more. We talk
Speaker 4: about players like can you overcome adversity? And then like
Speaker 4: whatever's next for you in life? What you've endured, what
Speaker 4: you've been through. Yeah, I think it just bodes well
Speaker 4: for your success. There's a there's a grittiness, there's a callousness,
Speaker 4: there's a just having been literally refined through the fire
Speaker 4: aspect to you and what your future holds. And I
Speaker 4: couldn't be more excited. Greg. We'll see next time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why your scouting abilities tower above any
Speaker 3: other humans that I can think of. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of misses though, too, DJ, thank you, We'll
Speaker 1: see you next time.
Speaker 4: Thanks for hit me with Herbert.
Speaker 2: No, No, I've kind of put a little I'm waiting
Speaker 2: till we actually have just I want to have justin
Speaker 2: Herbert on the pod and ask him about that at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 1: That's my dream question.
Speaker 4: All right, well let me know, thanks, thanks d J,
Speaker 4: Thank you you guys.
Speaker 2: Bye, and yeah, as Daniel mentioned back in the day,
Speaker 2: he was a little lower on Herbert then contensus, I'd
Speaker 2: like to give him the business of it because well,
Speaker 2: you know, call in every game guy changed the franchise.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break a little different
Speaker 2: schedule than normal that we just like start right off
Speaker 2: the meet with you know, a plus guests Daniel, Jeremiah.
Speaker 2: We will be back and we're going to actually bring
Speaker 2: in the audience, the listeners, and we're going to get
Speaker 2: some mail bag questions.
Speaker 1: The first tick quick break.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: You know, can't beat the master exciting times here. Draft
Speaker 2: is only one week away. We'll have you covered all
Speaker 2: next week. We got the Mark Sessler mock draft coming up.
Speaker 2: It's going to be like the sixth or seventh annual.
Speaker 3: I think it is the sixth or seventh. And then,
Speaker 3: like I know, the gist in the past was I
Speaker 3: just you know, thrown a couple darts at a wall. It's
Speaker 3: like I've been grinding the tape this time, Greg, No, Mark's.
Speaker 2: Been He's been doing it, and we're we're working on
Speaker 2: some extra motivation, some extra spells and whistles. We're adding
Speaker 2: to the Mark draft, so that'll be exciting. And then
Speaker 2: on Thursday, of course we'll recap round one. We'll we'll
Speaker 2: have another preview show as well. We'll do some sandwiches.
Speaker 2: But for now, we thought we would open up the
Speaker 2: mail bag and get your draft questions to just try
Speaker 2: to hit as many as we can before we go Mark.
Speaker 2: So if you're watching on YouTube, we'll fly the questions up.
Speaker 2: But the first one is from Daniel Hall and he asks,
Speaker 2: had the Panthers given the Bears the third overall pick
Speaker 2: instead of the first overall pick, do you think Justin
Speaker 2: Fields would be their starter for twenty twenty four. I
Speaker 2: find this interesting because it is a good reminder that
Speaker 2: the Bears great moves last year, they did get lucky,
Speaker 2: how bad the Panthers truly were, and you need luck
Speaker 2: to build a dynasty along the way. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: the Chiefs needed Patrick Mahomes to fall that far to
Speaker 2: make the smart move to go to go get them,
Speaker 2: and they're lucky. I don't think Fields would be their starter,
Speaker 2: no matter what. If they had a top three pick,
Speaker 2: you chose the right number, number three. If they were
Speaker 2: further back then, I think it becomes more of a discussion.
Speaker 2: I tend to think they did not really see Justin
Speaker 2: Fields as a true difference maker, and that Drake Maye
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels would also, you know, provide a window into
Speaker 2: a new field.
Speaker 3: I wrote down the same thing. I think they made
Speaker 3: their evaluation on Justin Fields and in top three, I
Speaker 3: think they would have found something to like in each
Speaker 3: one of those guys to move on from Fields, right.
Speaker 3: It seems clear to me every teams different.
Speaker 2: It really sounds like, based on everything we're hearing, more
Speaker 2: teams have Daniels two than May, and that there are
Speaker 2: some teams out there, and who knows if the Bears
Speaker 2: would have been one of these teams that agree with
Speaker 2: the Chris Simms and the JT. O.
Speaker 1: Sullivan's of the world. And like some people just aren't
Speaker 1: in on May.
Speaker 2: They're just like nah, right, And I'm surprised by that
Speaker 2: because to me, he's as exciting and maybe as good
Speaker 2: as any prospect I can remember watching since like Andrew
Speaker 2: Luck along with Calla Williams is even better. So it's
Speaker 2: crazy there's two of these guys, but just in terms
Speaker 2: of pure excitement level and talent, he seems to be
Speaker 2: at that level. But some teams aren't into it. There
Speaker 2: are three really good quarterbacks in this class, though, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they would not be keeping fields. The next
Speaker 2: question is from Patty seven to ten on Twitter. Could
Speaker 2: you pass on to Mark Sessler that I was watching
Speaker 2: Winnie the Pooh with my daughters and Rabbit uses the
Speaker 2: phrase heavens to Betsy, so he is in good company.
Speaker 2: More of a comment than a question, but I liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've I've mentioned before multiple times that
Speaker 3: it was my grandmother that used to say this in
Speaker 3: various situations when flustered or something was surprising. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: maybe she caught it from Winning the Pooh's Friend Rabbit.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: It's always just a trip back in time on the
Speaker 2: Around the NFL podcast, whenever that comes up. Next one
Speaker 2: is from Tom Marsh, A longtime listener recognized Tom a
Speaker 2: serious question, could Justin Jefferson be traded at the draft?
Speaker 2: He also says, unserious question, is Mahomes really nowhere near
Speaker 2: goats status? Let's start unserious. First, we didn't say that
Speaker 2: he's nowhere.
Speaker 3: Who would have said that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's responding to our conversation.
Speaker 2: On Wednesday that it was like his start his We
Speaker 2: were saying, like, it's just hard to compare someone who's
Speaker 2: had an entire career, like if Mahomes' career ended this moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his his peak was brilliant, But how do you compare
Speaker 2: that to guys like Montana or Brady or especially Manny
Speaker 2: that played so long. I don't know, it's hard guys
Speaker 2: who won three or four.
Speaker 3: It's like a goat farm. There's a couple, So it's not.
Speaker 1: He's nowhere near.
Speaker 2: It's just like he's got to keep plaining and he'll
Speaker 2: get there. There's almost no question the Jefferson question. I
Speaker 2: was glad someone asked this. I do think there's like
Speaker 2: a greater chance that Justin Jefferson is traded than probably
Speaker 2: public perception is out there. I would still be shocked,
Speaker 2: but you do have the recipes here for at least
Speaker 2: it being possible, which is really great quarterback prospects, and
Speaker 2: the Vikings being this motivated to try to go up,
Speaker 2: like I would only trade Justin Jefferson, and if I'm
Speaker 2: going up to one, then I would maybe think about it,
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't think about it if I'm the Vikings,
Speaker 2: but he is not as valuable making thirty million dollars
Speaker 2: a year or whatever. It's going to cost one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars guaranteed as he is this moment on this
Speaker 2: rookie deal, and that's what it's going to cost. But
Speaker 2: I still think like it would be crazy for them
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: I think it's like there's this assumption because they've got
Speaker 3: the two number ones, that they have everything they need
Speaker 3: to move up. But if teams aren't going to play
Speaker 3: ball with those those picks and they want if it's you,
Speaker 3: we need Justin Jefferson to get up to two or
Speaker 3: three or whatever. Like I think the trend is you
Speaker 3: move on from some of these like massively starry wide
Speaker 3: receivers when the contracts become insane and you find, like
Speaker 3: DJ said before, like these players will not Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 3: but great wide receivers will be available in every draft
Speaker 3: from now until the end of time.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Jefferson's so unique that quessi adopomenta that their
Speaker 2: GM's comment that like, we're ready to make them the
Speaker 2: highest paid player in the league. To me, that just
Speaker 2: said they know what they have and I don't think
Speaker 2: there's almost any chance. But if you if I'm individually
Speaker 2: looking at Ayuk and Jefferson and you want to throw
Speaker 2: some surprise T Higgins and some surprise names out there,
Speaker 2: like a like an AJ Brown or divide like individually,
Speaker 2: I don't think any of them are close to likely,
Speaker 2: but odds, you know, the history would say, like there'll
Speaker 2: be one surprise out I.
Speaker 3: Think I uke to the Steelers. There's little buzz and
Speaker 3: whispers around that, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: Next one is from Eric Blazel, who would be your
Speaker 2: dream non NFL figure to announce a draft pick for
Speaker 2: your favorite or any franchise?
Speaker 4: You go ahead.
Speaker 3: I came up with a quick list. Oh I like this,
Speaker 3: Brad and Leo. This is from Myle's just like from
Speaker 3: my pick, Like this is who I like. It's my team,
Speaker 3: your guys, So they would be one.
Speaker 2: But what about Leo potentially playing Frank Sinatra in an
Speaker 2: upcoming Biac biopic?
Speaker 1: Did he see that?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see the resemblance, but I don't know. But
Speaker 3: why not, Well, you don't have to look exactly like No, No,
Speaker 3: I mean I like I liked I like him in
Speaker 3: any for the most part. Yeah, I think he could
Speaker 3: pull it off. So I have them.
Speaker 2: I have Chelsea Clint Jennifer Lawrence would play his his
Speaker 2: second wife. I believe in that movie she's too old
Speaker 2: for tough luck for the first one in real life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have Chelsea Clinton dressed in a suit in
Speaker 3: medieval armor. King Kong Bundy. Although King Kong Bundy that
Speaker 3: was this would make news because King Kong Bundy died
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, so we'd be back from the dead.
Speaker 3: Dana Harvey announcing the pick is ross pro that would
Speaker 3: be nice an AI version of Julius Caesar or Raggedy
Speaker 3: ann Andy.
Speaker 1: Those are all amazing.
Speaker 3: I can't top that. When you get to day three, though,
Speaker 3: they had they have animals announcing the picks.
Speaker 2: And sure my and my just first instinct was Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 2: I just love him and I just feel like I
Speaker 2: don't know what he's gonna do. That's the whole beauty
Speaker 2: of Nick Cage. I just feel like he will own
Speaker 2: the moment. Our next one is from our friend Matt
Speaker 2: Tanton had some barbecue with him in Austin. He's a
Speaker 2: big time Bears fan. He addresses this directly to tug Bot.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take that as a slight, but you know,
Speaker 2: Dan did send out the prompt. Is the world prepared
Speaker 2: for the Bears to have an actual legit QB If
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is as generational as US Bears fans, hope, pray,
Speaker 2: believe he'll be.
Speaker 3: My answer to this is are the Bears prepared? Hmmm?
Speaker 2: The world's prepared the world. The world's not thinking about
Speaker 2: the Bears. We're excited about new quarterbacks coming into the league.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be fantastic. Not I guess I
Speaker 2: needed to do this, but just watch it's just like
Speaker 2: I just can't see how it's not gonna work. I
Speaker 2: just can't see how he's not gonna be. And now,
Speaker 2: generational is one thing, but if like Trevor Lawrence level,
Speaker 2: like you're in the top ten quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 2: is the floor and I'd be surprised if he's you know,
Speaker 2: like long term. I just can't imagine him not being
Speaker 2: higher in that. Like we're ready. It's fine, it's another
Speaker 2: great quarterback. We love quarterbacks. Are the Bears ready because
Speaker 2: they have been a somewhat unserious franchise for a long
Speaker 2: time in terms of their offense, and people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're in great position now. It's like, I guess, like
Speaker 2: it's a new offensive system that bringing in. I like
Speaker 2: Shane Waldron, fine it I like Keenan Allen, but they
Speaker 2: don't really have a number three and you know, he's
Speaker 2: had his injuries and stuff the offensive line. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's a new offensive system. Are they ready?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Is Matt Eberflus ready? Is the GM and ownership already?
Speaker 2: I'm not that I'm moment, I'd say.
Speaker 3: Especially if at number nine they get one of these
Speaker 3: like top white outs. I I've talked to Tanton dating
Speaker 3: back like a decade plus in our newsroom about the Bears,
Speaker 3: and he's frustrated from the top of the heap all
Speaker 3: the way down with how the whole place is run.
Speaker 3: And I get it. But even under Levy Smith and
Speaker 3: even previously that they always had these like thirteen and
Speaker 3: three seasons with no quarterback where it was like there's
Speaker 3: always defense in the same you know erlocker and like
Speaker 3: a great secondary and stuff. It's like if they were
Speaker 3: quarterback led and the Bears had like a top two
Speaker 3: or three guy. I think from a fan angle, having
Speaker 3: watched football for like forty years, that is something that
Speaker 3: I'm not totally prepared for in the sense they have
Speaker 3: been sort of the same thing forever and if not
Speaker 3: milk toe's sort of the weird, wrong type of good team.
Speaker 3: When they've been gone to the playoffs, this is this
Speaker 3: would be different, right?
Speaker 2: And are we ready for the fans because they are
Speaker 2: among the best fans in the league. It would be
Speaker 2: great for the NFL. They have been irrationally optimistic about
Speaker 2: their team on an annual basis. Adam rank here at
Speaker 2: the NFL I think represents that well and been so
Speaker 2: wrong so many times that when they actually have a
Speaker 2: real quarterback and a good team, I mean, They're going to.
Speaker 1: Get wild and I love it. It's a great sports down.
Speaker 2: Was reminded of that watching the nine to ten playoff
Speaker 2: playing game. I don't know if you were in on
Speaker 2: Bulls Hawks, it wasn't much of a game, but then that.
Speaker 3: Crowd was insane for a night.
Speaker 2: Like the Bulls fans, it makes sense they they just
Speaker 2: want a winner and this team's been sub mediocre forever.
Speaker 2: They're ten games under five hundred, but they're going freaking
Speaker 2: crazy because they you know, they want a winner and.
Speaker 3: That ball is completely different than basketball. True, and in
Speaker 3: this case, I think it's it is the same, great,
Speaker 3: it's similar, similar, and.
Speaker 2: Yet it's a Bearstown for all those titles. Everyone in
Speaker 2: Chicago will tell you it's still Bears and everything.
Speaker 3: I thought Bulls would have put that to the test
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 1: I had a question. This was the most common question.
Speaker 2: This one's from Mode Design Things, but we got about
Speaker 2: seven or eight times asked, will there be an ATM
Speaker 2: draft show?
Speaker 1: Quite enjoyed last year.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately there won't be, so we we had to mention
Speaker 2: it at some point where.
Speaker 3: Advice rewatch last year's that's still that would be great.
Speaker 2: It's got two million views on you, which is wild,
Speaker 2: but don't have enough resources to do it. So we're
Speaker 2: very disappointed and would love to bring it back. Not
Speaker 2: happening this year. All right, we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll hit more of the mail bag after this. Okay,
Speaker 2: we are back. Next question is what do the heroes
Speaker 2: think is the most Chris Wesseling type prospect of the
Speaker 2: draft and look, I just want any reason to uh
Speaker 2: to mention Chris on the show. And it got me thinking, actually,
Speaker 2: what is that even? What what is a Chris Wesseling
Speaker 2: type podcat prospect.
Speaker 3: I came up with. I remember how much Westling loved
Speaker 3: the physical nature of Steve Smith, and I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that the same player, but Roman, don't say, to me,
Speaker 3: was like someone that I think Chris would have been.
Speaker 3: Like I I get Marvin Harris and all said, it's
Speaker 3: like no one's looking past that. But like Rome, to me,
Speaker 3: is this kind of guy that's going to come in
Speaker 3: and be a nasty, physical player. And I think Wes
Speaker 3: always appreciated.
Speaker 2: That that is a perfect pick. You're absolutely right, that
Speaker 2: was his style. Well, uh an ankwon bold and type
Speaker 2: of who I asked too. But Wes was unpredictable on
Speaker 2: some level in that like he liked what he liked
Speaker 2: and that was what quarterbacks he could be.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 2: You know, he loved Mariota, but he also loved like
Speaker 2: big physical guys like Herbert. So I thought Drake Drake
Speaker 2: made to me popped up. I felt like, you know,
Speaker 2: that's when I think we would have like agreed on
Speaker 2: that just watching someone do things, and I think May
Speaker 2: could be like this in terms of the throws that
Speaker 2: he makes, do things that you just haven't seen guys
Speaker 2: do before. That he loved. He loved a running back
Speaker 2: that could just pop a big play. When I was
Speaker 2: thinking about what what is he like running back like?
Speaker 2: He likes ones that are physical. Certainly I don't know
Speaker 2: this class well enough, but Trey Benson is that guy
Speaker 2: who can just pop the big play like Wes was
Speaker 2: early on on Jonathan Taylor really thought he'd be great
Speaker 2: and loved Chris Johnson. Right, So that's the thing, different
Speaker 2: types of players. He likes the physical type, but he
Speaker 2: likes the big playmakers. It's about me, it always is.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, if you want to check my Twitter
Speaker 2: account this week, I sent out randomly this what West
Speaker 2: saw as his football syllabus. It was just a Excel
Speaker 2: spreadsheet essentially of all the books that he believes would
Speaker 2: be a great And I know you're not active right
Speaker 2: now on Twitter, so you well, I have a copy
Speaker 2: of this though, right yeah, right, And he had sent
Speaker 2: it out. We have copies, so it but just randomly
Speaker 2: I clicked on it this week and I and I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: that would be cool to send it out and people
Speaker 2: really like seeing it. And got all the best football
Speaker 2: books of all time, category categories and million wains long
Speaker 2: his best long forms. He really spent a lot of
Speaker 2: the time the first time he was sick going through
Speaker 2: all these long forms. I was like a project form
Speaker 2: those sports long forms, nonsports.
Speaker 1: It's really great.
Speaker 2: Check check that out on my Twitter account if you want.
Speaker 2: This week next one is from Bradley Sadler, who says
Speaker 2: who has a better chance of drafting a first round
Speaker 2: qb Rams, Jets or Seahawks.
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, it's interesting because I was going to
Speaker 3: bring this up with DJ, and you know, we moved on,
Speaker 3: but he and Bucky had a conversation about the fact
Speaker 3: that the Seahawks could be a very good destination for
Speaker 3: Michael Pennox junior. That they are you know, they've got
Speaker 3: people in the building, they're the guy running their offense
Speaker 3: is a Penix. He's a he's a tutor of Pennix.
Speaker 3: They're up in the Northwest, like no Pennix knows how
Speaker 3: to play in that in that world, in that weather,
Speaker 3: and it's someone that you could kind of nestle behind
Speaker 3: Geno Smith and Sam Howell for a season, which makes
Speaker 3: sense for him. But it's like the arm talent and
Speaker 3: what they have, It's like, I think they should look
Speaker 3: forward to the quarterback. The thing is this, though, because
Speaker 3: they have a they've got their first round pick, but
Speaker 3: they don't have a second, I believe, and so they
Speaker 3: have to like figure out if they even wanted to
Speaker 3: package picks now right.
Speaker 1: Up, I thought they I think they do not. They
Speaker 1: maybe sold.
Speaker 2: I think they got rid of one of theirs, but
Speaker 2: they had they got rid of the they lost one
Speaker 2: in the Leonard Williams trade, but I think they had
Speaker 2: one from the Broncos, So I think it even even.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Seahawks dot com and it's round one,
Speaker 3: round three, two fourths, two sixth and a seventh. Uh So,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it would be it would be
Speaker 3: that's kind of your draft right there, and it would
Speaker 3: be not their number one need at the moment. But
Speaker 3: I'd say that over the Jets. To me, it's like,
Speaker 3: why are we first round Jets? Like they Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: just telling to me wants to play multiple years. Rams
Speaker 3: that's a little spicy. Depends who would fall to over
Speaker 3: or what they would do. Yeah, I thought, and you're right,
Speaker 3: there isn't a second round pick. That was a brain
Speaker 3: part by me.
Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting question because we haven't
Speaker 2: heard quarterbacks associated really with any of these teams, and
Speaker 2: yet they're all strong surprise teams. The Rams have to
Speaker 2: start thinking about the post Matthew Stafford world. First round
Speaker 2: would be a surprise, but if the right guy fell
Speaker 2: to them or second round. I kind of opened this
Speaker 2: up in my head as like, okay, but mate, what
Speaker 2: about a surprise second round pick if the right guy fell,
Speaker 2: like if Penix falls the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to think about that.
Speaker 2: And we had another question that was first round though
Speaker 2: not first round probably and someone said, well, so the
Speaker 2: that would just be Jets to the Jets do.
Speaker 1: The Jordan love thing.
Speaker 2: It did motivate Aaron Rodgers to win into uh MVP Awards,
Speaker 2: and then the Seahawks. It's almost weird how little connection
Speaker 2: there has been made that, like the Washington offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: is their offensive coordinator. Pennix picked the right year to
Speaker 2: come out with that, so he's there, and then he
Speaker 2: also has a close relationship and I think you know,
Speaker 2: played with played for Antonio Pierce, and those are two
Speaker 2: teams that might be drafting quarterbacks. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to be a priority for Seattle in round one,
Speaker 2: but round round two maybe.
Speaker 3: Never know, and I hope not.
Speaker 1: I'll just be like a lot of drama. Next question
Speaker 1: is really for you. It's from Sam Brown.
Speaker 2: He says, please, can you just give Mark three minutes
Speaker 2: uninterrupted to talk about what he was.
Speaker 1: Doing in the year nineteen ninety seven. I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think. I hope this won't take three minutes.
Speaker 3: But I came up with a bulleted list. I had
Speaker 3: to go through the memory banks on this one, and
Speaker 3: here it goes. Completed an internship at Baseball Weekly in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. Top of the year, bypassed a low level
Speaker 3: newspaper job, moved to New York City and lived in
Speaker 3: a West one Oaight department with my friend and a
Speaker 3: female painter. My room had a mattress, three changes of clothing,
Speaker 3: and a typewriter. Dated girl for a month who was
Speaker 3: very severe, wore librarians glasses and gave me pink eye.
Speaker 3: Worked as this as an assistant at a private investigator's office.
Speaker 3: I was asked to investigate copyright infringement, mainly like little
Speaker 3: companies calling themselves things like Costco two. On these calls,
Speaker 3: I used an aka Drew Corbette and would compile a
Speaker 3: case to bust their asses. Then left New York City
Speaker 3: to take a job at Camp Jewel That camp Happiness
Speaker 3: place is what you guys call it. Along with a
Speaker 3: female counselor named Amy, took a gaggle of youths on
Speaker 3: a week long hike through the woods, where it rained
Speaker 3: on us for three days. When summer camp ended, I
Speaker 3: stayed at the camp and went on a twenty one
Speaker 3: day waterfast where on days eighteen and nineteen tapeworms came
Speaker 3: out of my body. Moved to Boston and for a
Speaker 3: month and did it. It is gross. Moved to Boston,
Speaker 3: but it was helpful. Moved to Boston for a month
Speaker 3: and did a ten day sleep study for nine hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: You'd stay awake for seventy two hours in a row
Speaker 3: as an example, had a spiritual had spiritual visions by
Speaker 3: the end, got on the Greyhound bus and moved to Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 3: Found a farmhouse for twelve hundred dollars a month with
Speaker 3: my friend Kristen bowls and waited for five friends and
Speaker 3: housemates to come west, watched football for nine plus hours
Speaker 3: on Sundays at a bar called Barrelhouse two. Brett Favre
Speaker 3: was the center of my world. No Browns. Back then
Speaker 3: worked at a string of ten to twelve temp jobs,
Speaker 3: including putting together miniature flashlights at a flashlight factory. I
Speaker 3: was fired And.
Speaker 1: Did you fit that all in one year?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well it was a transitory year, though I don't
Speaker 3: know how that person knew to pick that year. Other
Speaker 3: years would have been less movement oriented, so.
Speaker 2: That was a perfect year to pick. Yeah to what that,
Speaker 2: you must have been just out of college, so that
Speaker 2: was a yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with no uh no money.
Speaker 1: I was a lot of different.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, like I I when I was trying
Speaker 3: to get a real job. I had a friend, like
Speaker 3: some sort of industry expert look in my resume and said, like,
Speaker 3: you look like someone who's just sort of on the
Speaker 3: run from the law.
Speaker 1: So tape worms not what you want.
Speaker 2: Walker had some like they literally like see him look
Speaker 2: like worms is poop?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's where they appear.
Speaker 1: Discussed the outside of the body. Next question is and
Speaker 1: I love that that that is our social clip.
Speaker 2: Brandy Dan of The Avenue asked, can you ask Greg
Speaker 2: which order would he draft the three members of Boy
Speaker 2: Genius in, Well, I'm not gonna do it for football
Speaker 2: because that just gets weird. But Julie, it's it's a
Speaker 2: clear one two three here with big tiers in between.
Speaker 2: So it's Julian Baker first, Lucy Dakis second, Phoebe Bridges third.
Speaker 1: Next one is from polled Alpha. It's just obvious.
Speaker 2: Any words of advice for a very near future first
Speaker 2: time that my immediate thought was would be like don't worry,
Speaker 2: and I guess this would apply to you Eric as well,
Speaker 2: is don't stress or plan too much before they get there.
Speaker 2: Seems like a waste of time that like, enjoy that,
Speaker 2: not like you have to like desert your your lovely wife.
Speaker 2: You should be supporting her and helping her in any
Speaker 2: way obviously while she's pregnant. But like I see a
Speaker 2: lot of times people like, well I got to plan this,
Speaker 2: I gotta do this, I gotta.
Speaker 1: Come up because it's like.
Speaker 2: It's all got to be meaningless anyway, So you might
Speaker 2: as well just like enjoy enjoy the time before it's a.
Speaker 1: Little bit of a calm before the storm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really agree with that. I think in general
Speaker 3: for a dad, one on one time is very valuable
Speaker 3: no matter what you're doing. But the second thing I
Speaker 3: thought it was like the child with a child. Yeah,
Speaker 3: with our first born, Luke, like I had I was
Speaker 3: home four days a week, like during because I was
Speaker 3: working in NFL, but it was only three days a week,
Speaker 3: and like I literally was like taking care of him
Speaker 3: as a newborn for like hours a day, and it
Speaker 3: formed this incredible bond. So I know a lot sometimes
Speaker 3: dad's like out on all that until like until the
Speaker 3: baby can talk or the child can like interact. It's
Speaker 3: like get in there early and like be part of
Speaker 3: that because it really creates something that I never expected.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 5: Eric, Right, I'm actually pretty excited. I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously I'm pretty excited I'm having a son, but I'm
Speaker 5: really like gung ho. I've had weird radio hours before,
Speaker 5: so I feel like I've been primed and nurtured to
Speaker 5: have be up at two am every two hours through
Speaker 5: the night. So like I'm actually kind of excited about
Speaker 5: like being my wife has done enough, Like I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be like ready to go and take take over whenever needed.
Speaker 3: So good messaging five wakes out.
Speaker 1: That's exciting.
Speaker 2: And although I do find it, I feel like this
Speaker 2: happens for a lot of couples that they realized with
Speaker 2: the second kid.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, we don't both have to get up
Speaker 1: every time.
Speaker 5: Second, my wife just made that clear that there will
Speaker 5: be a period of time where I am the guys.
Speaker 3: But the key being like.
Speaker 2: Either she's the overnight woman that night or in general
Speaker 2: that week or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And you know, it doesn't have to be the same
Speaker 1: person every day.
Speaker 3: Lug each other.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be like, oh, come, you know
Speaker 2: you're again. It's like do one or the other? You
Speaker 2: want the other stronger in the day. Also, people don't
Speaker 2: know this, but every human child is dramatically different, and
Speaker 2: so these like base sort of like recommendations for what
Speaker 2: to do and how to think, Like, you know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't exactly work because every child reacts completely different. Look
Speaker 2: at the Westling Brothers, right, my even my two children,
Speaker 2: one advice for one would have been terrible advice for
Speaker 2: the other, and vice versus.
Speaker 5: Right, well, we'll get through this first one. Before I
Speaker 5: got to worry about trends. I'm just you know, just.
Speaker 1: Saying you're all different.
Speaker 3: It seems like a fair plan.
Speaker 2: Jeff Yates, what would, in your mind be the most
Speaker 2: polarizing pick your team of fandom could make this year? Oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't read this right the first time. Well, for me,
Speaker 2: it would be the Patriots trading down and just doing
Speaker 2: that like that, no matter who's on the board, whether
Speaker 2: it's May or Daniels. And I would be personally more
Speaker 2: into it if it was if May is gone and
Speaker 2: Daniels is on the board and they traded down to
Speaker 2: like the Giants and they still get one of the receivers.
Speaker 2: To me, I'm gonna I'm gonna ride with that and
Speaker 2: just see what happens. But that would be the most polarizing.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants the QB, I think.
Speaker 3: So if I'm coming from a Browns angle, like, don't
Speaker 3: they don't pick till the fifty fourth pick? And so
Speaker 3: I kind of was like, I mean, quarterbacks stupid just
Speaker 3: because they're not going to take a quarterback at ninety four.
Speaker 3: But like I thought, the one thought like this, the heart,
Speaker 3: the beating heart of the Browns is Nick Chubb. But
Speaker 3: there's questions about his health still and where will be
Speaker 3: and like his future to some degree in terms of
Speaker 3: like what is this player post injury? Like if they
Speaker 3: went and picked at fifty four, it could work like
Speaker 3: a starting type running back. I think that would yeah,
Speaker 3: cause some problems with certain Browns fins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wouldn't makes it.
Speaker 2: The thing is, like everyone loves all these offensive players
Speaker 2: and like none of the tackles are are going to
Speaker 2: be polarizing. It's always a team that just looks at
Speaker 2: their board differently than the rest of the league. It's
Speaker 2: often been the Seahawks lately, used to be the Patriots
Speaker 2: often where it's just like they take a guy who's
Speaker 2: on the consensus board at like forty three, except they
Speaker 2: take them at sixteen and everyone goes crazy. But it's like,
Speaker 2: you don't know anything. Finlay McClure, which you know sounds suspicious.
Speaker 2: Is that a made up name, Finlay McClure. I think
Speaker 2: it possibly is from overseas, I don't know, or it's
Speaker 2: a character from like Ducktails. If you are Sean Payton
Speaker 2: and the Broncos, which scenarios do you pick trade up
Speaker 2: to four, give up three first to get MacArthur or
Speaker 2: may Stan Patt twelve and take Pennix or take best
Speaker 2: player available non quarterback at twelve and build the team
Speaker 2: up first. Of those three, I would go for the
Speaker 2: third option, but I I like to take a quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just think reaching at twelve seems so and I don't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't give up all those.
Speaker 2: Picks for for the third quarterback in this CLUBB even
Speaker 2: though I love me, I think, uh, you stay at twelve,
Speaker 2: and I think there's a real chance that Bo Nicks
Speaker 2: is available at your second round pick, or Michael Pennix
Speaker 2: is available, Like all these guys aren't gonna go like,
Speaker 2: don't force it.
Speaker 3: I I'm with the don't force it, but don't ignore
Speaker 3: quarterback just because like this concept of we're going to
Speaker 3: build a team and wait for a quarterly if they
Speaker 3: go four and thirteen, you don't have time for that,
Speaker 3: Like no one has time for that.
Speaker 1: I'm Layton might of anyone, but yeah, I hear it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Peyton thing like needs to work
Speaker 3: for like this invincibility shield around him to continue to
Speaker 3: be accurate. And there's it's like the quarterback draft is
Speaker 3: going to allow someone to come down there. I but
Speaker 3: I I would do it. But if you're saying, may
Speaker 3: is this potentially player that we've never seen before and
Speaker 3: he's sitting there at three, it's like, then you then
Speaker 3: why would you not trade? Sure, get your first or
Speaker 3: three first round picks. Sure, but if he's that if
Speaker 3: he's that guy you know who knows that's it'll look genius.
Speaker 1: But that's fair.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you.
Speaker 2: Paid your it's also or whoever it would be, would
Speaker 2: have to take that pick. So you need to two
Speaker 2: teams to tangle there. Other Elliott Wolf, the GM in
Speaker 2: practice not in name for the Patriots, said on Thursday,
Speaker 2: we're open for business. We're open for business on pick
Speaker 2: three and everything else. But we're open for business, so
Speaker 2: I think they'll be listening. What's your favorite draft memory,
Speaker 2: as Brandon Smith, what draft pick are your favorite team?
Speaker 2: Were you most excited about at the time of the pick?
Speaker 2: A player most surprised by turning into a bust?
Speaker 1: What do you got?
Speaker 3: I mean, I know mine happened on this show, and
Speaker 3: like there's a clip that I wish wasn't out there
Speaker 3: to some degree when the Browns did this with.
Speaker 1: The twenty second pick in the twenty fourteen NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Brown select Johnny Manzelle quarter. That was Dave Damashek.
Speaker 2: Will you be saying that Bryan shayze Er kills him
Speaker 2: Maury's one now?
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's a boy on Christmas? The Christmas is coln.
Speaker 3: I mean we were shoved into those Radio City musical
Speaker 3: seats which were made for people in the nineteen tens,
Speaker 3: and h you know, I had walked around like Manhattan
Speaker 3: for days kind of wishing this would happen, and when
Speaker 3: it happened, it felt like Cleveland is the most exciting
Speaker 3: thing in the National Football League and then it went completely, completely,
Speaker 3: totally south into hell.
Speaker 1: It's pretty rough. I mean, you look younger there, but
Speaker 1: I think you look better now. So that was nice.
Speaker 1: Everyone should check that out on YouTube. Thanks that.
Speaker 2: Uh, it was Dave Danishek's voice, and just like you
Speaker 2: can't really put words to Mark's expression there, I read
Speaker 2: this question wrong and just thought, like general draft moments,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: Of the Patriots player I was most excited about it.
Speaker 2: Weirdly, will Fork fell so far to them and seemed
Speaker 2: like such a Patriots guy, and that was about the
Speaker 2: peak of like Patriots always make the right picks fandom
Speaker 2: for me that I just remember being so pumped when
Speaker 2: Vince Wilfork fell to them at the time. But otherwise,
Speaker 2: you know, when when the Vikings didn't take their pick
Speaker 2: and the other two like ran up to take it
Speaker 2: in three, that was just like an incredible draft.
Speaker 1: We're like, what am I watching the four draft?
Speaker 2: To me, nothing will top Rivers, Big Ben, Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of stuff going into their aft.
Speaker 2: But literally as it happened, we all thought they were
Speaker 2: gonna trade and make the trade ultimately that they did make,
Speaker 2: but no one knew for sure. And then the Chargers
Speaker 2: take Eli and he has to hold it up, and
Speaker 2: there's there's not Twitter at that point, and so it's
Speaker 2: just like you're living in this total netherworld.
Speaker 1: It was like, Wow, they really took them.
Speaker 2: They're putting the giant's feet to the fire, Like, what
Speaker 2: the hell is gonna happen? I guess they're just gonna
Speaker 2: keep them, and and he's holding it up and he's
Speaker 2: like not happy about it, and so that like twenty
Speaker 2: thirty minutes, it was fifteen picks minutes per pick. Then
Speaker 2: before Rivers and the Eli trade actually happened, and that
Speaker 2: was just so ballsy by their GM. Who it's escaping me.
Speaker 2: Who that was was? Aj Heg Smith, I believe was
Speaker 2: his name, who just sat there, took Eli and just
Speaker 2: waited until the best offer came in and they got
Speaker 2: a great one and then they ended up getting Rivers.
Speaker 1: So they were both I.
Speaker 3: Think both those things you mentioned, the best pick by
Speaker 3: the Vikings and in that scenario right there, like they've
Speaker 3: never that's never really happened since that way at all.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was incredible. The Ricky Williams I was
Speaker 2: in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: I was in New Orleans for that draft. That was
Speaker 2: that was when I was in college.
Speaker 3: That that hasn't happened again either.
Speaker 2: So now that was a wild thing and that that
Speaker 2: was a rare I think I just wanted the weekend off.
Speaker 2: Right in the postgame, the press conference where he came
Speaker 2: and showed up in Ricky's dread, wearing Ricky's dreads, it
Speaker 2: was just it was a different time. All Right, We're
Speaker 2: gonna take one last break and wrap up the mail bag. Next,
Speaker 2: let's go to our next tweet. Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I brought this one up last year's Greg hit on
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta, who is Greg's only fantasy sleeper superstar that
Speaker 2: Dynasty Keeper managers need to keep their eye. I still
Speaker 2: want to watch some of these running backs. I can't
Speaker 2: pretend that I have a hot take, and that's usually
Speaker 2: the fantasy thing. But for me, it's Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 2: I just I just love me some Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 1: Love him like.
Speaker 2: I just think that he could be up there with
Speaker 2: those three guys in the end as just this crazy
Speaker 2: explosive year after year, big time wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And Chad Ryder, who had on yesterday had him
Speaker 3: falling all the way down to the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of disagreement with him that he
Speaker 2: could that would be on any incredible landing spot that
Speaker 2: would be if he landed there, he would be big
Speaker 2: time players sooner than later. Where on the peace scale?
Speaker 2: Our next, sweet ass? I think this is the last one.
Speaker 2: How about that? Cranked? Is Greg Rosenthal in terms of
Speaker 2: the peace scale? In regards to the Delaware tapes being released,
Speaker 2: I have an update on this situation.
Speaker 1: I was, I been. I'm gonna go poop now, that's
Speaker 1: not the update.
Speaker 2: I've been ready all week for this update, but Dan
Speaker 2: just hasn't brought it up. I don't feel like it'd
Speaker 2: be right to do without Dan here, So we'll save it.
Speaker 1: We'll, we'll just we'll just.
Speaker 3: You don't seem too unnerved by the whole situation. Fine, Okay, Fine,
Speaker 3: I'm proud. That's it, Mark, what a week of shows.
Speaker 3: Next week we're onto the draft. That will be a
Speaker 3: bigger week than this week, by leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1: It will.
Speaker 2: But it's just the adrenaline. The excitement carries you through.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday, Eric, right, and then uh,
Speaker 2: we'll also have the Mark Sessler mock draft will be
Speaker 2: there on Draft night. We'll wrap up the draft with
Speaker 2: winners and losers over the weekend. So I'm excited. The
Speaker 2: adrenaline kind of carries you through draft week. I'm a
Speaker 2: think for the pre draft process to be Let's go
Speaker 2: from Mark Sessler, Randy Chavez, Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Eric, We miss you.
Speaker 3: Dan Heed.
Speaker 1: The call