Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
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Speaker 2: Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V.
Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. This week we had our
Speaker 1: most recent installment of our Unearthed episode. We sure did
Speaker 1: had a lot of things to talk about, some new categories,
Speaker 1: including walls. Yes, when I realized there were multiple walls,
Speaker 1: I was like, so many walls.
Speaker 2: I don't think this has happened before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bokuda wall.
Speaker 2: So we've said before that.
Speaker 1: The way that I do this is I keep up
Speaker 1: with the news for the entire year, and when it's
Speaker 1: time to work on Unearthed, I will go back and
Speaker 1: I will look back again at all of the things
Speaker 1: that I have bookmarks to talk about. And the very
Speaker 1: first thing, the absolute first article that I opened, immediately
Speaker 1: irritated me because it described a coin horde. And if
Speaker 1: you're a longtime listener, you know there's always a ton
Speaker 1: of coin hord over coin hords. Yeah, often they just
Speaker 1: don't feel like they are very distinct from one another.
Speaker 1: But this one was described as being in a piggy bank,
Speaker 1: and I was excited because I thought we were gonna
Speaker 1: get a historical vessel. If not shaped like a pig,
Speaker 1: shaped like some entity, like shaped like an animal or something,
Speaker 1: a figurative piece of art that also held money.
Speaker 2: No, it was a jar. It was a jar.
Speaker 1: It was the same as putting your loose change into
Speaker 1: a mason jar, but you know, made of pottery. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm got off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 1: I was excited about a piggy bank and it's a jar. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was tickled by so many things in this this
Speaker 1: installment of on Earth. One was the Stilt Village. And
Speaker 1: here's why. Yeah, I spent a big chunk of my
Speaker 1: childhood growing up on the Gulf Coast where there are
Speaker 1: a lot of stilt houses. Yeah, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 1: of course they were perfectly delightful, Like, yeah, stilt houses rock.
Speaker 1: If you don't know, there are houses on stilts along
Speaker 1: the Gulf coast because of storm surge and hurricanes. And
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't flood if you are ten feet
Speaker 1: off the ground, right, or you're less likely to flood,
Speaker 1: is what I should say. Yeah, the beaches that we
Speaker 1: went to when I was a kid, there were like
Speaker 1: two really two beaches in North Carolina or northern South
Speaker 1: Carolina that We spent a little bit of time at
Speaker 1: in the summer as a vacation when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the houses would be on stilts
Speaker 1: for the same reason, especially the ones that were on
Speaker 1: Rightsville Beach, which is an island, and you know, hurricane
Speaker 1: on an island can easily just inundate the entire house. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I hadn't really made that thought at all. I
Speaker 1: had more thought, you know, twenty eight hundred years ago, approximately,
Speaker 1: living over a river, you know, in a time that
Speaker 1: it just seems like life might be harder in ways
Speaker 1: than it is for a lot of people today, living
Speaker 1: in a you know, industrialized society where we have our
Speaker 1: own problems, but they're not necessarily the same as what
Speaker 1: I imagine the slate and I was like, no, this
Speaker 1: does actually sound really nice. To have a nice well
Speaker 1: insulated and also well ventilated, nice clothes to wear. Everything
Speaker 1: seems comfortable. Charming, Yeah, seems very charming. I don't have
Speaker 1: anything about this other than you could probably hear the
Speaker 1: hell yeah going on in my soul reading about the
Speaker 1: mummies with golden tongues.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that isn't the start of a great movie,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Yeah, oh, maybe that's a
Speaker 1: good Halloween costume, Mummy with a golden tongue. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just cool.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I might cry while I talk
Speaker 1: about this, and you'll laugh because it's not something worth
Speaker 1: crying over necessarily, but I was very moved by it.
Speaker 1: In our Amelia Earhart talk, Yeah, she came up recently
Speaker 1: on something and I got real weepy, and you were like,
Speaker 1: what is this about? And I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: even explain it. There is a Bob's Burgers episode from
Speaker 1: this current season that is about one of the kids
Speaker 1: doing a project on Amelia Earhart and she ends up
Speaker 1: doing this shadow puppet project and her version of what
Speaker 1: happens to Amelia Earhart is so beautiful and moving.
Speaker 2: I do get choked up. You're choked up now, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Lauren Bouchard knows what he's doing head
Speaker 1: in nut show. But if you have never ever seen it,
Speaker 1: you would know that Amelia Earhart is not in the
Speaker 1: ocean because she flew away forever into the sky. And
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful that I love it, And that's what
Speaker 1: it makes you think of yeah, I was glad to
Speaker 1: be able to talk about a potential find related to
Speaker 1: her that was like from a different organization. I feel
Speaker 1: like we might get angry emails from people. But for
Speaker 1: a while, it seems like there was an Earhart headline
Speaker 1: about every year, and often it seems like they were
Speaker 1: re looking at the same couple of small items that
Speaker 1: had been found on an island, and I was glad
Speaker 1: to have a find bys I think, as far as
Speaker 1: I know, totally unrelated group which I was appreciative of.
Speaker 1: One of my other notes is about John Shakespeare. Okay,
Speaker 1: just because every time I have ever encountered John Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: uh huh, from the time, like you know, high school, college,
Speaker 1: et cetera, that has always sounded like the most made
Speaker 1: up fake I d name, ever, what's your name? John Shakespeare?
Speaker 1: For it to be John and Joan also cracks me
Speaker 1: up a little bit John Shakespeare. As we were talking
Speaker 1: about that, of course, I also thought about the thing
Speaker 1: we talked about. I think last time of the floor
Speaker 1: that Shakespeare might have walked on maybe and this is
Speaker 1: not this is definitively belonged to one of Shakespeare's relatives.
Speaker 1: We're just not sure which one the probably sister not father. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, my other two things. Listen, the Pokemon van
Speaker 1: Go thing cracks me up. It cracks me up too, Honestly.
Speaker 1: I don't, of course, know the details of the personnel
Speaker 1: decisions that were made.
Speaker 2: Right, I feel like.
Speaker 1: Stealing items from your workplace probably grounds for termination.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Helping people on a scavenger hunt, yeah.
Speaker 2: I yeah.
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like if somebody had worked for
Speaker 1: me for twenty five years and had been a good
Speaker 1: employee during that time, and then during a scavenger hunt
Speaker 1: they were sort of telling people what the answer was,
Speaker 1: I personally would think that might be something that you know,
Speaker 1: needs some kind of I don't. I don't like the
Speaker 1: word discipline really, even as like, like we're doing union
Speaker 1: bargaining right the iHeart podcast You Need to the word
Speaker 1: discipline comes up a lot, like it's a word that
Speaker 1: has a meaning in labor and work context, but like
Speaker 1: it still feels like a kind of gross word to
Speaker 1: me sometimes. So I like, I might feel like there
Speaker 1: might need to be some kind of like at least
Speaker 1: reiteration of the rules. And so this person losing their job,
Speaker 1: I'm like, is there more to this story? That's what
Speaker 1: I keep wondering, because my first thought was, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: who among us has not done like a scavenger hunt
Speaker 1: or some kind of like event like this where some
Speaker 1: of the people running it are helpful and others are not,
Speaker 1: And like, is is this It's actually a fall down
Speaker 1: on the part of communications to say, under no circumstances
Speaker 1: are you to tell people where things are or hint
Speaker 1: at them? For all I know, this could be a
Speaker 1: docent who's like, I don't want these poor people to
Speaker 1: get frustrated. That's not a fun day at the museum,
Speaker 1: crying kid? What's the better option?
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
Speaker 1: And I don't know, but I I always find myself
Speaker 1: because I am also you know, deep in Star Wars fandom,
Speaker 1: not Pokemon fandom. But I tend to think about, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if this same kind of thing we're happening in my fandom,
Speaker 1: would I be one of those people that chases something
Speaker 1: like this down? And I don't know that I would be.
Speaker 1: There is no shade to people that do. I just
Speaker 1: always find myself going, okay, is all of this effort
Speaker 1: and hustle worth the stress of it? And will it
Speaker 1: really be beneficial to me? Like in six months, Am
Speaker 1: I still going to care about this?
Speaker 2: Right? Sure?
Speaker 1: One year? Am I still going to care about this?
Speaker 1: In five years? How much will I care that I
Speaker 1: have the Van Go Pokemon? Yeah, except I'm trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, translate it into a Star Wars thing, like
Speaker 1: is there a van Go porge? And would I knock
Speaker 1: people over in a museum for it?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel similarly about like seasonal events and video games
Speaker 1: where you get special prizes. And there have been video
Speaker 1: games that I was really excited about and I would
Speaker 1: make a concerted effort to get the seasonal reward prize.
Speaker 1: But I just, for example, came back to a game
Speaker 1: called Astronear after a long time of playing it, and
Speaker 1: I came into it near the end of a seasonal event,
Speaker 1: and at first I was like, this seems cool, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, I don't actually I don't
Speaker 1: actually need to. I can play the game the way
Speaker 1: I wanted to play the game and not shift focused
Speaker 1: on what I was doing to try to do all
Speaker 1: the seasonal events stuff instead, and it is not going
Speaker 1: to have an impact on my enjoyment of this game.
Speaker 1: Raim to not have the seasonal visor reward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tricky. Those are tricky. So yeah, uh, did
Speaker 2: you have another thing on your list?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it is? What is ruby slippers?
Speaker 1: The ruby slippers? Yes, I mean I have seen a
Speaker 1: pair of the ruby slippers in person. I think I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple pair.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be cruel, but to mistake those
Speaker 1: for actual jewels seems like a bit of ding dongerie. Well,
Speaker 1: and so that's so okay to me, especially when we
Speaker 1: get to the part of the movie. I guess it's
Speaker 1: I guess the whole time she has the shoes on,
Speaker 1: it's in color. It's obviously sequence on TV, on TV
Speaker 1: with you know, the image quality of a television in
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, which is probably the first time I
Speaker 1: ever saw it. So I really don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I did not go like read court transcripts or whatever.
Speaker 1: That would have been too far for this, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is something, if this person really
Speaker 1: did genuinely believe that these were real rubies, or if
Speaker 1: this was their defense lawyers right, defense that they entered
Speaker 1: into the record to try to get because I think
Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty, so to try to get a more
Speaker 1: lenient sentence, right. And I don't know the answer to
Speaker 1: any of that. But when I like, I had seen
Speaker 1: the headlines coming across that were like the shoes were found,
Speaker 1: the shoes and I was going to court. And then
Speaker 1: I got to the ones about you know, thought the
Speaker 1: rubies were real, and I was like, what, I had
Speaker 1: not been thinking about putting this in unearthed until I
Speaker 1: got to this part about thinking the rubies were real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super duper weird to me. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like one of those six I guess if you're facing
Speaker 1: like serious repercussions, you might be willing to just feign
Speaker 1: that you are unable to use your vision to make
Speaker 1: decisions about things, which is the kindest way. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't, huh, that's super weird defense to me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start selling Sequence on the black market now. So Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did have a number of questions about like what
Speaker 1: was really going on with that. A couple of things
Speaker 1: that I did want to note is that one I
Speaker 1: really felt like, just from my gut response, there was
Speaker 1: more stuff this time around that had been published as
Speaker 1: open access than in previous Yeah, it seemed like there
Speaker 1: was a lot of open access stuff, which is nice
Speaker 1: because one of the things that I like to do,
Speaker 1: especially when we're talking about like research related to indigenous
Speaker 1: communities or research related to communities that were colonized and
Speaker 1: the colonizers are doing the research, like I always want
Speaker 1: to see if I can find out who, like, did
Speaker 1: you have permission to do this? Right? And being able
Speaker 1: to read the whole paper as an open access thing
Speaker 1: is like that makes it a lot easier to figure
Speaker 1: out sometimes because it will be there in the whole text,
Speaker 1: and then you might not be able to see that
Speaker 1: if you can only see the abstract. And in this case,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of things where I couldn't find
Speaker 1: any evidence about permission being given, and for a couple
Speaker 1: of them, I was like, this makes this research kind
Speaker 1: of upsetting to me. Because we talked about several things
Speaker 1: that were related to ancient DNA that I tried to
Speaker 1: stick with the stuff that was like did not have
Speaker 1: that layer to it or if it did like that.
Speaker 1: But there was one study that we didn't get into
Speaker 1: in which a government had given permission to remove pieces
Speaker 1: of bone from this burial site and take it away
Speaker 1: to another country to do this DNA research on it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, did you ask? I can't tell
Speaker 1: from this paper that you asked, and like the fact
Speaker 1: that you took pieces of bone away somewhere else without asking,
Speaker 1: like I felt gross about it. Conversely, there were a
Speaker 1: couple of things that didn't make it into the episode
Speaker 1: just because I could not I could not find the
Speaker 1: best way to approach it. One was about Aboriginal peoples
Speaker 1: in Australia living in coastal areas fifty thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't quite wrap my head around how to
Speaker 1: explain it, which is why it didn't wind up in
Speaker 1: the episode. But the indigenous or the Aboriginal community that
Speaker 1: this was a subject of the study was actively part
Speaker 1: of the study and cited as co authors on the paper,
Speaker 1: and that I really liked, even though I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't figure out how to explain this, it was
Speaker 1: just a little bit beyond my ability to comprehend. Also,
Speaker 1: there was just a lot a lot of stuff. There
Speaker 1: were way more links to go through than I really thought,
Speaker 1: and whole we could have probably done a third episode.
Speaker 1: I could not have written a third episode in time
Speaker 1: to record it. But there was enough material that we
Speaker 1: could have had another episode that would have had as categories,
Speaker 1: possibly war stuff, because there was a whole lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that I had that was about gauntlets and armor,
Speaker 1: and lots of stuff about armor, and the large number
Speaker 1: of unexploded ordnance discoveries and animals that we had a
Speaker 1: bunch of. There were a bunch of animal finds that
Speaker 1: I had pulled into a partial list to maybe talk about.
Speaker 1: Same as last time, we didn't have a whole section
Speaker 1: on repatriations. I didn't feel as much like I was
Speaker 1: reading a police blotter when I read about various repatriations
Speaker 1: this time, but I wanted to focus more on the
Speaker 1: final rule for Nagra. That felt like a more meaningful
Speaker 1: inclusion in the episode than the like few individual reparations
Speaker 1: that had come up in the news research over the
Speaker 1: last few months. So, yeah, don't mind, I'm just picking
Speaker 1: sequence off of everything I can find to sell on
Speaker 1: the blacks sell them on. I just hear something. Why
Speaker 1: is that a better defense than saying he stole them
Speaker 1: to sell them to a private collector? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: is it a different level of punishment? Potentially?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or and maybe, uh, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know again. I just I'm.
Speaker 1: Literally gonna lie in bed, awake at night, wondering what
Speaker 1: the heck that thought process was here, you're going to
Speaker 1: go trying to find court transcripts to see exactly what
Speaker 1: it was that was said. Why is that a better
Speaker 1: defense than just saying he thought some collector would want
Speaker 1: Judy Garland's shoes. Yeah, unless here's my crime fanfic. Unless
Speaker 1: saying something like that might implicate a person who would
Speaker 1: get real, real mad. That's the only thing I can
Speaker 1: think of, like some renowned, very dangerous collector of Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz paraphernalia.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: I like how we're making kind of a whole alternate
Speaker 1: universe about Yeah. So anyway, aside from immediately getting off
Speaker 1: on the wrong foot with a piggybank that was really
Speaker 1: a jar, I had a fun time researching this. It
Speaker 1: is still fun. Occasionally when it goes in a more
Speaker 1: frustrating way, we will get emails from folks who are like.
Speaker 2: I hope it stays fun because I like listening to them.
Speaker 1: It's still fun, still fun, And it'll be back in
Speaker 1: roughly three months with another installment of Unearthed. So happy Friday.
Speaker 1: Whatever's happening on your weekend. If you're going to go
Speaker 1: to a museum that's having some kind of collaborative exhibition
Speaker 1: that may or may not have a scavenger hunt, I
Speaker 1: hope it goes well and is not some kind of
Speaker 1: strange descent into absolute chaos of people trying to get
Speaker 1: a limited edition card. If you're able to take a break,
Speaker 1: I hope your break is very RESTful. If you're not
Speaker 1: able to take a break, I hope you're able to
Speaker 1: take a minute like some solace somewhere. We'll be back
Speaker 1: with a Saturday classic tomorrow and something brand new on Monday.
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