Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2: It's the Dynasty Fantasy Football podcast on Fantasy Pros. I'm
Speaker 2: your host, Scott Bogmin. Follow me on the Twitter at
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Speaker 2: fitz Underscore ff on the Twitter machine. And today on
Speaker 2: the show we have Thorn Nystrom at thor ku on
Speaker 2: the Twitter to talk a little NFL Draft here six
Speaker 2: days out and just to remind you guys, we will
Speaker 2: be live on the Fantasy Pros YouTube channel during the
Speaker 2: first two nights of the NFL Draft, starting Day one
Speaker 2: at seven pm Eastern and Day two at six pm Eastern.
Speaker 1: Thor and Joe, I know we'll be there. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Pat, you'll show up at some point to
Speaker 2: come in. I know you have some articles to write.
Speaker 2: I'll probably make an appearance if that's okay, and talk
Speaker 2: to you guys during the draft.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a fun night.
Speaker 2: But we have Thor here and Thor you just put
Speaker 2: out your five hundred rankings of the top NFL Draft
Speaker 2: prospects with comps for everyone, and you are a madman.
Speaker 1: It is insane.
Speaker 2: How much fun was it making the list versus how
Speaker 2: stressful what is the stress verse fun level, because hey,
Speaker 2: look it's your job. It beats thicking ditches, but you
Speaker 2: got to get it done.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a bit of both, but certainly a
Speaker 3: labor of love.
Speaker 4: And these are you know.
Speaker 3: With my job, it's college football the other part of
Speaker 3: the year, So these are guys that you know, I've
Speaker 3: I've followed and covered since coming out of high school.
Speaker 3: So it's fun to be able to then, you know,
Speaker 3: with their projections and everything in the spring, and then
Speaker 3: toss a comp on them and then stack the board
Speaker 3: and you know, with that board, you know, not only
Speaker 3: going five hundred deep. But one of the things that
Speaker 3: I like about it not only making it printable so
Speaker 3: people can bring it to their draft parties and cross
Speaker 3: off the names, but the way that I like to
Speaker 3: do it is with the picks that are actually in
Speaker 3: the draft, including the components. You have thirty two picks.
Speaker 3: Those are the thirty two guys that got first round grades.
Speaker 3: On one of my random nippicks about my industry. Are
Speaker 3: the guys that are like, oh, I have fifteen guys
Speaker 3: with first round grades. It's like, no, you don't the
Speaker 3: top thirty.
Speaker 1: Two are you guys?
Speaker 4: Are your first round great.
Speaker 3: Guys, and then you know, like and then all the
Speaker 3: way down. However, many picks per round through the two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty seventh is how many picks we have
Speaker 3: in this This one are my draftable guys. They're broken
Speaker 3: up by the rounds like that, and then the rest
Speaker 3: of the guys of course, the udfas and and like
Speaker 3: you mentioned, everyone has a comp including the couple of
Speaker 3: special teamers on there. And I had the punter that
Speaker 3: I gave the best grade two that I ever had
Speaker 3: this year in the fourth round. But lots of different
Speaker 3: fun stuff in there, and lots of interesting comps so
Speaker 3: that people should check out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's always one of my
Speaker 2: favorite days of the year, the NFL Draft, the first
Speaker 2: day of the NFL, the first day of college football,
Speaker 2: opening day in baseball. Yeah, these are just fun days
Speaker 2: if you're a sports fan. So we have Thor. We're
Speaker 2: gonna put them on the hot seat and ask him
Speaker 2: some questions about this list and about the players, and
Speaker 2: FITZI your first up.
Speaker 1: I will let you kick it off here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Thor, you know, I have to start within a
Speaker 5: question about JJ McCarthy, and you have been very much
Speaker 5: in on him for quite a while. I know how
Speaker 5: much college football you watch, and I know you didn't
Speaker 5: just fall for him during the pre draft process. I
Speaker 5: also know that you happen to be a Minnesota Vikings fan.
Speaker 5: They need a quarterback, and there's been all sorts of
Speaker 5: speculation about the Vikings using their number eleven pick, their
Speaker 5: number twenty three pick to move up and get McCarthy.
Speaker 5: And I was pretty much telling Deepro the other day,
Speaker 5: if the Vikings don't draft McCarthy, I am going to
Speaker 5: have to drive up to Minneapolis at one hundred miles
Speaker 5: an hour to do a wellness check on you. I'll
Speaker 5: be worried about you, quite frankly. What is it that's
Speaker 5: causing this man crush on JJ McCarthy. What is it
Speaker 5: about him you like so much?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the you have the athletic traits with the
Speaker 3: arm talent, and then a guy that you're going to project.
Speaker 3: We keep getting better and better. And speaking to the
Speaker 3: athleticism the arm town both of which were confirmed at
Speaker 3: the NFL. Combined with data, the athleticism six best three
Speaker 3: cone regardless of position at seventeen pounds heavier than his
Speaker 3: Michigan bio, which also checked the box of anyone's size
Speaker 3: concerns if they still had any. And then the max
Speaker 3: velocity throw sixty one miles per hour was one beneath
Speaker 3: the record for that, which was Josh Allen before Joe Milton,
Speaker 3: who maybe not the best quarterback prospect but has an
Speaker 3: enormous arm. He matched it this year. JJ McCarthy was
Speaker 3: one mile prower beneath that. You have the traits to
Speaker 3: begin with, but they work together with one another on
Speaker 3: the field. You know you have guys, for instance Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: Don't mean to pick on him, but quarterback prospects like
Speaker 3: that where they have the strong arm and they are athletic,
Speaker 3: but they absolutely categorically do not work together with one
Speaker 3: another on the field. A better example of this, and
Speaker 3: are a higher rank example of this in the class
Speaker 3: would be Michael Pennix. Pennix is, as we saw it
Speaker 3: his pro day, is a good athlete and he has
Speaker 3: a good arm. But you can see this in the
Speaker 3: data or you can see this on his film. The
Speaker 3: more his feet are moving, the more his accuracy depreciates.
Speaker 3: Does not throw on the run well at all, That
Speaker 3: is McCarthy's best thing. And when you're talking about his
Speaker 3: projection to the next level, that's where it gets really cool.
Speaker 3: He loses zero accuracy on the move. He's an awesome
Speaker 3: improvisational guy. Last year it was seventy two percent and
Speaker 3: change completions in the aggregate against by the way easily
Speaker 3: the hardest strength is schedule that any of the top
Speaker 3: quarterbacks played, including the entire nation, you know, run through
Speaker 3: the CFP where Michigan won the national title. They would
Speaker 3: not have beaten Alabama unless JJ McCarthy had spurred the
Speaker 3: double digit comeback in the second half against that nasty
Speaker 3: defense that Alabama had, and then Nick Saban subsequently retired
Speaker 3: after that. But like you know, you have that stuff
Speaker 3: going on the field. He takes his mechanics with him,
Speaker 3: keeps the eyes downfield, upper bodycock to throw while he's
Speaker 3: on the move, and keeps throwing platform under him. He's
Speaker 3: also very good under pressure, very very good under pressure.
Speaker 3: One nuance about his film like, I don't see this
Speaker 3: discussed as much. A lot of these quarterbacks that you
Speaker 3: see in college. You're watching the cutups, they fade away
Speaker 3: when they're about to get hit, or they brace for
Speaker 3: the hit. These different things that end up their mechanics.
Speaker 3: They're not stepping into the throw all the way, and
Speaker 3: they're different things where they manifest in the accuracy not
Speaker 3: being quite as good on that throw. McCarthy will eat
Speaker 3: the shot every single time, step into the throw, look
Speaker 3: down the gun barrel to do that. It's a subtle
Speaker 3: thing like that, and it's like, you know, when announcers
Speaker 3: will talk about it, be like, oh, the kids so tough,
Speaker 3: But that's not the thing to focus on. The thing
Speaker 3: to focus on is the mechanics are there every single time,
Speaker 3: whether he's on the move, whether he's about to get hit, whatever.
Speaker 3: So the accuracy plays up each and every single time.
Speaker 3: Like I said that, the athletic traits are there, the
Speaker 3: arm strength is there. Then you have an NFL sitting
Speaker 3: head coach that JJ won national title for last as
Speaker 3: a twenty year old junior, that believes he is the
Speaker 3: best player in this class, and of course the rest
Speaker 3: of that Michigan staff that has now dotted around the NFL.
Speaker 4: Gushes about him.
Speaker 3: Ask any of those guys about JJ McCarthy, they will
Speaker 3: go on and on and on talk about him for
Speaker 3: even longer than I do. So you have all that
Speaker 3: different stuff and it makes you pretty bullish about his
Speaker 3: teammates love him as well. You have the leadership, you
Speaker 3: have the intelligence, the intangibles with the on field stuff.
Speaker 3: The people that nippick him, it's just about counting stats
Speaker 3: and they don't toss out any of the concept texts
Speaker 3: for why that stuff occurred. The one thing that I
Speaker 3: could toss out with that that I always mentioned is
Speaker 3: in seven of the fifteen games last year, because Michigan
Speaker 3: was slapping opponents silly so much, JJ McCarthy took zero
Speaker 3: fourth court of snaps in some of those games. He
Speaker 3: was taken out even before then. So he missed in
Speaker 3: the aggregate over two full games just because he was
Speaker 3: getting pulled early because they were annihilating teams by so much.
Speaker 3: And oh he didn't have to prove it. He proved
Speaker 3: that he could come back on an awesome defense and
Speaker 3: the biggest possible Alabama in you know, on the sports
Speaker 3: highest stage right before he came out, and of course
Speaker 3: they won the national title.
Speaker 5: Then the sports books have the over under on McCarthy's
Speaker 5: landing spot at five and a half. Do you do
Speaker 5: you think he goes top five for I.
Speaker 4: Would go under that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that there is a scenario that
Speaker 3: the QB four could sneak past the wickets there, you know,
Speaker 3: whether you know to the Giants or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm going under with McCarthy on that.
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: guys know how bullish I've been on that. There has
Speaker 3: been discussion of Washington. Nobody knows where Washington's going. The
Speaker 3: sportsbook odds with Washington have been all over the place
Speaker 3: this entire process. There's been rumors that New England is
Speaker 3: interested in him. The Minnesota my local team could obviously
Speaker 3: trade up. There been the stuff of that all process
Speaker 3: with either the Cardinals or the symmetry. How how symmetrical
Speaker 3: would that be? If JJ McCarthy's ball father, Jim Harbaugh,
Speaker 3: got to select his next destination, and mister Harbaugh, man,
Speaker 3: you look around, you want to pick the best destination
Speaker 3: for JJ McCarthy in the NFL. How about a twelve
Speaker 3: personnel running team that has the best wide receiver in
Speaker 3: football and one of the better offensive play callers that
Speaker 3: we have at Kevin o'cado at a wide open quarterback spot,
Speaker 3: and by the way a fan base that desperately, you know,
Speaker 3: will embrace the quarterback but also the winner.
Speaker 4: Thing like has never won a Super Bowl here?
Speaker 3: If you do that, if you do what JJ did
Speaker 3: last year, and by the way, going back to high
Speaker 3: school was winning all the state titles. Do you look
Speaker 3: at his career record going back to high school? It
Speaker 3: is insane. Your your eyes will bug out of your head.
Speaker 3: If whoever you know quarterback come in anyone wins a
Speaker 3: super Bowl with the vikings, you become theo Epstein in
Speaker 3: Boston times or times like one hundred, like you know
Speaker 3: you are, you are minted, you will be They will
Speaker 3: build statues for you in this state.
Speaker 2: Are you sure those Michigan coaches like JJ McCarthy more
Speaker 2: than you do.
Speaker 1: I think you might like him more and I like
Speaker 1: fits over here.
Speaker 2: Fitz is trying to like Drillia for information so he
Speaker 2: can win the betting pros NFL Draft contest.
Speaker 1: That we're doing here. So he's like, what do you
Speaker 1: think of those five and a half here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I tell you, I'm not reading.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna just ask questions about this contest for Thor,
Speaker 2: so we will ask him for Fantasy relevant questions. I promise,
Speaker 2: so Thor on your QB if you're ready to move
Speaker 2: on from JJ McCarthy, that is, of course. But b
Speaker 2: Nicks bo Nicks is a polarizing prospect. I did a
Speaker 2: seven round mock this week. I still had him going
Speaker 2: at twelve to the Broncos because I just I don't
Speaker 2: know who's trading back with the Broncos you have to
Speaker 2: have two to dance, you know what I mean, it
Speaker 2: would cost a lot to get up there. I know
Speaker 2: he's probably not a first round prospect, and I think
Speaker 2: you have him closer to the third round, right, you
Speaker 2: have Spencer Ratler ahead of him, So just tell us
Speaker 2: why bon Nicks and for fantasy, if he is drafted
Speaker 2: in the first round, I think you have to acknowledge
Speaker 2: that in terms of his value, right, Like first round
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are just looked different on you know, by NFL
Speaker 2: gms and the NFL in general. They always get I mean,
Speaker 2: look at Sam Darnold's still getting this third shot, fourth
Speaker 2: shot really with your team, the Vikings this year. Right,
Speaker 2: So if he goes in the first he is more valuable,
Speaker 2: you know, I think. But you like Spencer Rattler ahead
Speaker 2: of him, So kind of just fill us in about
Speaker 2: the bow Knicks you know dislike and is it more
Speaker 2: about disliking Bonicks or liking Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not Bonick's dislike. On my end, I see
Speaker 3: him accurately. I think I okay, and I brank him
Speaker 3: as a late third rounder on my board. Bonnicks badly
Speaker 3: struggled at the beginning of his career at Auburn. The
Speaker 3: improvements you saw in the last couple of years at Oregon.
Speaker 3: You give him, you sure, you tip your hat to him.
Speaker 3: But the reasoning for that it was the offensive system
Speaker 3: more than it was anything that bo Nicks did. The
Speaker 3: offensive system and the players around him juiced his accuracy
Speaker 3: would I'll get into in a second, but also with
Speaker 3: the yak yardage helped to juice the counting SATs. But
Speaker 3: the bigger point it inoculated him from the acute issues
Speaker 3: that he had at Auburn, very very cleverly at Auburn.
Speaker 3: The things in the gust mills On system that he
Speaker 3: struggled with. It was sitting back in the pocket, having
Speaker 3: after the snap to go through the progressions and then
Speaker 3: make a decision with the bullets flying around him, and
Speaker 3: then the thing of throwing down the field in conjunction
Speaker 3: with all this. So sometimes you would see him get
Speaker 3: smoked from behind because he'd get preoccupy, you bogged down
Speaker 3: with the decision making going across the thing you would
Speaker 3: see when he had to throw down the field. Because
Speaker 3: there was more of that in the Melson offense, the
Speaker 3: balls would flutter on him more. His less advantageous looks.
Speaker 3: He would struggle with that.
Speaker 4: One of the.
Speaker 3: Tighter covered different stuff like that, see poor decisions, he'd
Speaker 3: badly struggle with that. He goes to Oregon, they put
Speaker 3: him in this wide open offense playing by the way,
Speaker 3: last year was the I mentioned with JJ McCarthy the
Speaker 3: strength of the defense they were playing last year with McCarthy,
Speaker 3: it was the thirty eighth average defensive strength. With Bonix
Speaker 3: and Oregon it was the eightieth, and Bonix was playing
Speaker 3: arguably with better supporting talent as well, certainly in a
Speaker 3: more advantageous system to accrue stats and empty calorie ones.
Speaker 4: With Bonix, the system.
Speaker 3: That he played at Oregon, it's the one where so
Speaker 3: its spread and then it was you count the defensive
Speaker 3: numbers beforehand, and then where you have on the side
Speaker 3: of the field. The advantage with the numbers, it tells
Speaker 3: you where the ball is going. That's the reason why
Speaker 3: Bonix had the quickest time to release along with Austin
Speaker 3: Reid in this class. Everyone knows that Austin Reid coming
Speaker 3: out of WKU, that that's a gimmicky air raid offense.
Speaker 4: You don't hear that as much about the Bonix thing.
Speaker 3: People just want to be like, oh, he has good accuracy.
Speaker 3: Does he is getting the decision prior to this snap
Speaker 3: and then being able to throw the ball with it
Speaker 3: six seven yards of the line of scrimmage to a
Speaker 3: pre delineated read. Does that mean that you're you're accurate?
Speaker 3: Especially when the cornerbacks across from Troy Franklin are going
Speaker 3: to be accountants in two years, right after their collegiate
Speaker 3: career is done.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3: And that's what it was when the ensure that downfield
Speaker 3: accuracy improved. But again it was another thing where it
Speaker 3: was the pre delineated thing when you knew you had
Speaker 3: the one on one shot in an extremely advantageous matchup,
Speaker 3: so he didn't have to make decisions after the snap.
Speaker 3: He didn't have to read the defense. So with the
Speaker 3: pass rush and everything like that, the mental processing with him.
Speaker 3: What does this sound like something that translates to the NFL.
Speaker 3: That's like in the NFL, do you make your decisions
Speaker 3: prior to the snap or do you make them afterwards?
Speaker 3: You can't build a system around that. You know, I
Speaker 3: mentioned the yak yardage before. Obviously you will not have
Speaker 3: to be able to leverage a guy like Troy Franklin
Speaker 3: and Bucky Irving and stuff like that, facing off against
Speaker 3: guys that are clearly inferior to them athletically different, stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: We have all that different stuff.
Speaker 3: And then in addition to all this, I think that
Speaker 3: there are severe limitations as far as the ability with Bonex,
Speaker 3: and that has to do with throwing downfield. He does
Speaker 3: generate the tight spiral in the intermediate area, but there's
Speaker 3: a reason that he doesn't go downfield more and why
Speaker 3: he was so bad at it at Auburn and the
Speaker 3: reason why in mobile he wouldn't throw down field either.
Speaker 3: It's because he's not great at it. The accuracy waivers.
Speaker 3: He has to throw the kitchen sink into it. The
Speaker 3: upper body mechanics are decent with Boneckx that the lower
Speaker 3: body could go all over the place, and naturally he
Speaker 3: does not have an enormous arm, so he has to get.
Speaker 4: Everything into it.
Speaker 3: And because of that, even when he gets you know,
Speaker 3: the you know, a decent throw on it, the ball
Speaker 3: tends to go this way and that way, flutter towards
Speaker 3: the sideline or hang up there, catch a gust to wind,
Speaker 3: and so that that's sort of the issue with it
Speaker 3: in the NFL having to do NFL concepts, I'm concerned
Speaker 3: about it. Could you build an around Bonette? You know,
Speaker 3: I've heard that argument. Sure you could do that, but
Speaker 3: the problem with that is the defense.
Speaker 4: In the NFL.
Speaker 3: Of course, the athletes are better, but they you know,
Speaker 3: if you're going to do the thing where it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna try to tailor it around his strengths,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the short and intermediate stuff, and we're
Speaker 3: going to try not to let him sit back in
Speaker 3: the pocket quite as much. You're taking away the explosive
Speaker 3: element of your offense and then going up against far
Speaker 3: superior athletes where they are as good as the skill
Speaker 3: guys around there.
Speaker 4: He that guy is not a first round pick.
Speaker 3: He's also at an elevated age in addition to all
Speaker 3: this different stuff. So like, I actually think I have
Speaker 3: seen him totally fairly in ranking him as a third
Speaker 3: round prospect, I would absolutely take Spencer Rattler over him,
Speaker 3: a guy who was in a nightmare situation in a
Speaker 3: far superior conference at South Carolina and was a better
Speaker 3: recruit coming out and by the way, had a better season.
Speaker 3: You know, like initially Recher freshman season at Oklahoma, people
Speaker 3: were talking about him as a number one overall player
Speaker 3: in the draft, and we're we're evoking like a pint
Speaker 3: sized up Pat Mahomes with him. I would way rather
Speaker 3: roll the dice on him because at least if he hits,
Speaker 3: you have traits that that you know are more like
Speaker 3: an NFL starter where it will threaten NFL defenses as.
Speaker 4: Opposed to with bo Nicks.
Speaker 1: I anicket, Yeah, I think you could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And by the way, that's on the good side
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I think, okay, wow.
Speaker 3: I compare Bonyes to Matt corral Uh, not the off
Speaker 3: field like types of but like just as like the
Speaker 3: you know, the the on field stuff like yeah, coming
Speaker 3: out like but yeah. The Kenny Pickett I think is
Speaker 3: a decent one as well. Kenny Pickett a guy that
Speaker 3: was very much help Bogman to your point, helped by
Speaker 3: the circumstances around him. You at Jordan Addison there, and
Speaker 3: then you also the offensive system was very clever that
Speaker 3: last season in addition to Addison, where they did this
Speaker 3: levels passing thing, and so they would terrify the defense
Speaker 3: with all these short passes on the out side with
Speaker 3: the spread thing, Addison in particular, but they had a
Speaker 3: couple other dudes that would threaten you there, and then
Speaker 3: they would start to go down the field a bit
Speaker 3: when the defense would have to start bringing people up
Speaker 3: because pit that year, they'd love to do the thing
Speaker 3: of having the multiple guys out there have the receiver
Speaker 3: block out so they would just steal free yardage from you.
Speaker 4: Again, very similar.
Speaker 3: To this thing where it was juicing pickets both his
Speaker 3: accuracy percentage while keeping them away from the pass rush
Speaker 3: while giving them free yardage from the yack of a
Speaker 3: very good NFL receiver Jordan Adison in that case, Trey
Speaker 3: Franklin and Bowe Nixons. So evoking that I think is
Speaker 3: beyond fair.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, you know, we talk
Speaker 2: about first round QB bust and my head always goes
Speaker 2: to Kenny Pickett because I'm a Steelers fan.
Speaker 1: So I wanted Malik that year, and Malik fell to
Speaker 1: the third.
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Speaker 2: t all Right, FITZI, I know you have a big
Speaker 2: running back question for Thor.
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
Speaker 4: I do Thor.
Speaker 5: One of the guys I'm having trouble getting a handle
Speaker 5: on is Jalen Right, just because I think it's because
Speaker 5: he plays in that gimmicky Josh Hypel offense and I
Speaker 5: never know how to assess guys.
Speaker 4: Coming out of that.
Speaker 5: But I mean, he's a speedy, big play guy coming
Speaker 5: from Tennessee. So of course you're getting Alvin Kamerica comparisons.
Speaker 5: You just came out with the thor five hundred. Is
Speaker 5: Kamara your comp for Jalen Right or did you have
Speaker 5: someone else?
Speaker 4: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: I don't like the Kamara. That one's like the helmet comp.
Speaker 3: I feel like and and Kamara like he's more the movement,
Speaker 3: like the East West one and it's really hard to
Speaker 3: get your hands on, whereas Jalen Right, it's the he's
Speaker 3: the shot put dude, like he is looking for that
Speaker 3: crease and then he is the crazy burn.
Speaker 4: So I think that's the difference.
Speaker 3: That he is a big play guy and he does
Speaker 3: have receiving utility. And by the way, one thing people
Speaker 3: don't talk about him enough. He is a pretty dang
Speaker 3: good pass blocker, which needs to be mentioned as well.
Speaker 3: In college, he was in the initially was in Tennessee
Speaker 3: and Hypel. They like to do the running back rotation,
Speaker 3: which last year Jalen right then searched for the top
Speaker 3: of that. But for these reasons, he got less touches
Speaker 3: in college, which is a good thing for the NFL projection,
Speaker 3: but he also got to see a little bit less
Speaker 3: of him. But yeah, as far as the game, the
Speaker 3: guy that I compare him to, like his running style,
Speaker 3: I think you could evoked a guy like Tevin Coleman.
Speaker 4: You know, as that that.
Speaker 3: That straight line like I am looking to hit that
Speaker 3: home run and just sprint in erase angles with the speed.
Speaker 3: But the guy that I went with because it evoked
Speaker 3: a little bit more than also the receiving element and
Speaker 3: a current dude that doing stuff, Tony Pollard, I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, hit that a little bit more similar athletic profile,
Speaker 3: similar body type, and then the two way game with that.
Speaker 3: But speaking to the speed, you know, you see seeing
Speaker 3: the four to three speed in Indianapolis, which confirmed it.
Speaker 3: But on the field with the GPS twenty two point
Speaker 3: two miles per hour on one run last year, which
Speaker 3: was the fastest of any FBS running back on any
Speaker 3: run last year tracked. He was a former Feldman free
Speaker 3: clister before he had even broken out. This is going
Speaker 3: back several years. We knew this kid was a freak athlete,
Speaker 3: and then last year during the breakout, thirty five carries
Speaker 3: of ten plus yards on only one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: six attempts. That was more than one quarter of his attempts. Fitzy,
Speaker 3: you mentioned the gimmicky offense, and that needs to be
Speaker 3: mentioned with any Tennessee skill guy.
Speaker 4: Hypel is a very.
Speaker 3: Very clever offensive play caller, but they also do that
Speaker 3: spread thing. And speaking of the pre delineated reads, you
Speaker 3: know with the quarterback we were talking about this with
Speaker 3: Henn and Hooker last year. He does the Hypol cuts
Speaker 3: the field in half for them and everything like that.
Speaker 3: But with the running backs this has the effect of
Speaker 3: fitting out the box for them, which of course was
Speaker 3: advantageous for Jalen Wright's game. The thing that you know,
Speaker 3: so you have to make some situational assumptions visa VI
Speaker 3: that because of parts in the NFL, he's going to
Speaker 3: be facing some more guys in the box is going
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more conventional with that. One
Speaker 3: thing that makes me a bit more bullish about the
Speaker 3: projection to that is he does break tackles, and like
Speaker 3: I said, you also have the receiving. He has shown
Speaker 3: aptitude with that in addition the underrated pass blocking element
Speaker 3: of his game, so you know he's going to be
Speaker 3: able to stay on the field for that. You get
Speaker 3: the big play stuff, but you know as far as
Speaker 3: the tackle breaking and the different stuff like that. Last
Speaker 3: year his elusive rating one hundred and thirty two point
Speaker 3: two absolutely darling.
Speaker 4: You can't put that thing on.
Speaker 3: Thin boxes, right, Like the thin boxes thing probably helped
Speaker 3: that first stat I was saying with the over one
Speaker 3: quarter the ten plus yard thing, but the elusive rating, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that he is breaking tackles and everything like that.
Speaker 4: So I do like his game. I put an I'm
Speaker 4: bullish on him.
Speaker 3: Five foot ten and a half two ten, so he's
Speaker 3: at the threshold size ninety eight percentile athlete. I rank
Speaker 3: him as RB two in this class and as early
Speaker 3: to mid third round type prospect.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Wright is going to be a lot of
Speaker 2: fun to watch at the next level. Another guy that
Speaker 2: I know you like is Marshall Lloyd, and I like
Speaker 2: Marshall Lloyd a lot. It maybe kicks it out a
Speaker 2: little bit, had some fumble issues, but he's got burst.
Speaker 2: He can make a guy miss. I just love watching
Speaker 2: him play. I will say I'm a little lower on
Speaker 2: him than you are because of his injury history towards
Speaker 2: knee in twenty twenty, miss some time last year as well.
Speaker 2: I think he had a high school I'm remembering that correctly,
Speaker 2: so he's been banged up a little bit. And this
Speaker 2: question isn't so much about Marshall Lloyd, but it is
Speaker 2: about how do you mitigate guys that have had injuries
Speaker 2: at this position at running back coming in to the NFL.
Speaker 2: Is it you kind of take it with a grain
Speaker 2: of salt more at this position because these guys get hurt.
Speaker 1: It's what you know.
Speaker 2: Running backs get hit more than anybody else, and they're
Speaker 2: taking those big shots too. Is it just not as
Speaker 2: much a factor when you're grading players at this position
Speaker 2: because it is such a brutal position and they all
Speaker 2: get hurt eventually.
Speaker 3: No, it's one thousand percent context dependent right, case by case.
Speaker 4: For sure, you have to all data you.
Speaker 3: Have to bake in on every evaluation, and certainly the
Speaker 3: medical stuff is one of those things that The thing
Speaker 3: that I lament about, you know, doing it from my
Speaker 3: angle of it is I get a metric ton of
Speaker 3: data way more than I would have doing this like
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. But the one the one black box
Speaker 3: for me is is what you're hitting on is the
Speaker 3: totality of the medical profile. Right, Like I don't get
Speaker 3: to see behind that door.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of guys in this class where
Speaker 3: their ranking would be different for me one thousand percent
Speaker 3: either upper down if I knew what the team's medical personnel,
Speaker 3: the medical personnels had set about that kid's medicals after
Speaker 3: they had evaluated him. Uh, one of them is a
Speaker 3: lot to a lot. Two would be my edge one
Speaker 3: if I knew that that they have been you know,
Speaker 3: the medical personnel.
Speaker 4: There's not the.
Speaker 3: Elevated uh current you know, injury reoccurring if you're.
Speaker 2: Not familiar with lat two story, he medically retired and
Speaker 2: came back and then played and.
Speaker 4: So for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as far as Lloyd though, I like the
Speaker 3: way that you set that up because you know, going
Speaker 3: beyond the injury thing. For me, with evaluations, it's a
Speaker 3: band of outcomes thing, and that's how I try to
Speaker 3: see it. And and maybe that's I'm a little bit
Speaker 3: different in that than with some other people. And I
Speaker 3: try to do the rankings more like that as opposed
Speaker 3: to like, look, you know, I do the five hundred
Speaker 3: player big board, and you're basically in so doing, you're
Speaker 3: making five hundred predictions on unknowable outcomes in advance, right,
Speaker 3: And there's different ways to do that, And I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people that are doing it, they're you know,
Speaker 3: they they look at the they're looking at the same
Speaker 3: stuff I am, the film and the data different stuff.
Speaker 3: But a lot of people they want to have the
Speaker 3: certainty of this is what this guy will be, right,
Speaker 3: like this is you know whatever. I try to look
Speaker 3: at it as the range of outcome, and then you know,
Speaker 3: after I'm done with my workout, what is the range
Speaker 3: of outcome? What would they be at the top, what
Speaker 3: would they be at the bottom, and then what are
Speaker 3: the odds in between?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And that's why you get so much data, is like
Speaker 3: and you know, some of the injury stuff, or the
Speaker 3: character stuff or or different things like this are the
Speaker 3: things that could elevate the percentage that it looks more
Speaker 3: towards the other end of the polarity, the bottom end
Speaker 3: of their projection. I bring all this stuff up. Marshawn
Speaker 3: Lloyd is a great example of this, and I tried
Speaker 3: to set my right up of him up like this.
Speaker 4: To sort of display this for people on both sides.
Speaker 3: Deebro are our friend and colleague, you know, like I think,
Speaker 3: I'm I have a really sort of bullish ish ranking
Speaker 3: on Marshall Lloyd compared to people out there, you know,
Speaker 3: like a solid one. I rank him RB four in
Speaker 3: the class. Deep the last couple of months, I've had
Speaker 3: to listen to Debra telling me I rank it too
Speaker 3: low because because Debro is.
Speaker 4: Like he is the best running back in the class.
Speaker 3: Debro has had Marshaon Lloyd as RB one since since
Speaker 3: the very beginning. And the thing that I talk about
Speaker 3: in my write up is in a decade from now,
Speaker 3: one thousand percent, you could at that time, Marshaon Lloyd,
Speaker 3: could you could be the best running back from this class,
Speaker 3: most rushing, you know, YadA YadA, But also uh, at
Speaker 3: that time, marsh On thought could absolutely be outside the
Speaker 3: top ten uh, you know, and you know you have
Speaker 3: the thing with the injuries there. There's other contextual things
Speaker 3: as well beyond that, you know, vis a vis his
Speaker 3: game that could lead to the thing going the other way.
Speaker 3: That the aspects of his game that I love, I
Speaker 3: understand what Debro is seeing. I understand why he's bullish.
Speaker 3: He has the make you miss. I love the slashing
Speaker 3: element of his game, the agility, the power, the direction
Speaker 3: change is great. And after the direction change he returns
Speaker 3: to top gear very quickly. He runs mean, I laughed
Speaker 3: because we're talking to him and Mobile asked him about that.
Speaker 4: He's like, that's what we do with Delaware.
Speaker 3: We have to come out and because the kids from Delaware,
Speaker 3: he's he's like, we got to, you know, show.
Speaker 4: People with Delaware is about.
Speaker 3: He has the extremely thick lower half and you can
Speaker 3: see that the way that that he runs, uh snaps
Speaker 3: the arm tackles. He's a fighter. And then he has
Speaker 3: the big play wheels with with the four to four
Speaker 3: uh like.
Speaker 4: All that stuff.
Speaker 3: I like his suns for cutback lanes as well. But
Speaker 3: then on the other side of it, like and sort
Speaker 3: of the middle thing, the.
Speaker 4: Passing game stuff totally.
Speaker 3: Unknown at US both the USCS he went to, he
Speaker 3: just wasn't used as much as a receiver. And I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure he's a terrible pass blocker because he was
Speaker 3: literally never used at that even though he was used
Speaker 3: sporadically as a receiver. You'd think if he could pass
Speaker 3: block at all, they would have had him out there
Speaker 3: a little bit for teams that did throw the ball,
Speaker 3: and then the areas of concern with him going all
Speaker 3: the way to the other end. He only touched the
Speaker 3: ball three hundred and twenty five times in college. Some
Speaker 3: of that had to do with the injury, but even
Speaker 3: when he was healthy, they always had a second guy
Speaker 3: with him, or he was the second guy. So it's
Speaker 3: again like they took him off the field always on
Speaker 3: passing down. So it's like that could be it right there.
Speaker 3: He also would get nicked up a lot. You had
Speaker 3: that thing and then to the big play thing. For instance,
Speaker 3: last year at USC he was a big play machine.
Speaker 3: Look at his yards per carry, look at his the
Speaker 3: ten plus, the twenty plus.
Speaker 4: YadA YadA.
Speaker 3: But he was bouncing it outside a whole heck of
Speaker 3: a lot on on outside design bounds concepts. He wants
Speaker 3: to hit the home run, even though he has the
Speaker 3: jews or to get the tough yards like you see
Speaker 3: that on certain times where he's you know, again fighting
Speaker 3: for the extra yards on those reps. I love to
Speaker 3: see that, but on too many of them he is
Speaker 3: looking to Okay, I'm going around the outside, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 3: and then he turns. He could have had three four
Speaker 3: five yards by following the concept and fighting for it,
Speaker 3: but instead I want to try to hit another dinger.
Speaker 3: And if that inclination follows him to the NFL, it's
Speaker 3: not going to work out like it did against the
Speaker 3: crappy defenses that the Trojans were facing last year in
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve. So I can say that, so those
Speaker 3: are it creates this band of outcomes for Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 3: And because of that band of outcomes, again recognizing the
Speaker 3: potential on the high end, but then also the risk
Speaker 3: of it. That's why I ended up putting him at
Speaker 3: RB or. Whether that upsets Debro.
Speaker 2: Or not, I understand that, Pat, what do he I
Speaker 2: know you have another running back to ask Thor about here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tyrone, Tracy, I know you're a fan and you
Speaker 5: have them well inside your top ten, and like I
Speaker 5: watch a lot of Big Ten football, but I tried
Speaker 5: not to expose my eyeballs to too much Purdue last
Speaker 5: year because they were so wretched.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe for me was kind of hiding in playing sight.
Speaker 5: But give me the elevator pitch on Tyrone Tracy and
Speaker 5: why you like him so much.
Speaker 3: Tyrone Tracy wide receiver in a previous life at the
Speaker 3: University of Iowa.
Speaker 4: Obviously is school near and dear to my heart, and obviously.
Speaker 1: They have they have wide receivers.
Speaker 3: It is risk averse to forward passing, and so because
Speaker 3: of that, not only was Tyrone Tracy not used a bunch,
Speaker 3: it seems like his development never really got there. The
Speaker 3: athleticism was always very much apparent with Tyrone Tracy whenever
Speaker 3: he got the ball, but he was always a super
Speaker 3: duper raw route run and again you didn't even get
Speaker 3: to see many opportunities with it because of the way
Speaker 3: that they throw the ball. Iowa had tried to convince
Speaker 3: him to move to running back, he was reticent to
Speaker 3: do so well in Iowa City. He ends up transferring
Speaker 3: to Purdue because of some of the frustrations with all
Speaker 3: this stuff and the passing offense stuff. He goes to Purdue,
Speaker 3: they effectively convinced him to move to running back. It
Speaker 3: was last year, ironically, his last year in college on
Speaker 3: this horrific Purdue team.
Speaker 4: That had nothing going for them.
Speaker 3: They had this new coaching staff, they had all kinds
Speaker 3: of problems throwing the ball, and they had a different
Speaker 3: running back that was their starting running BA. Because he's
Speaker 3: a young kid, Devin Macaby, who's going to be around
Speaker 3: for a couple more years. The new coaching staff, that's
Speaker 3: how you're going to start Tyrone. Tracy broke out. They
Speaker 3: had to get him on the field because he was
Speaker 3: doing so good and accrued these explosive runs behind a
Speaker 3: terrible offensive line facing good defenses. Weekend and we got
Speaker 3: accruing explosive runs at a rate that he had no
Speaker 3: business doing. I like Tracy as the athlete at Iowa,
Speaker 3: and I saw his numbers and was sort of from
Speaker 3: a far during the fall and stuff like that. But
Speaker 3: when I, you know, so I turned on his tape,
Speaker 3: I wasn't you know. I knew that the explosive runs
Speaker 3: were coming, but the rest of it, I just expected,
Speaker 3: you know, YadA YadA, Like I thought it was like
Speaker 3: the skill set of the kicker turner guy.
Speaker 4: You know the rest of it.
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen as much a Purdue live, So when
Speaker 3: you're watching the cut up, you know, I went in
Speaker 3: with open eyes, not not knowing what to not, not
Speaker 3: expecting a ton. That's where he really opened my eyes.
Speaker 3: That so I ended up comping him to Miles Sanders.
Speaker 3: He's I put in my right up that he's a bouncy,
Speaker 3: juiced up wide based slasher with better vision and instincts
Speaker 3: than expected runs with tempo as a knack for timing
Speaker 3: his cutbacks to free himself into open grass, and then
Speaker 3: that's when the four four eight wheels come into play.
Speaker 3: That is why he was accruing all those explosive runs.
Speaker 3: So even when he's in the traffic like he does
Speaker 3: the cutbacks, they're they're very violent. So even you know,
Speaker 3: it's like the guy's like, oh, I got you dead
Speaker 3: to rights, and then he does like the thing.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, you don't, and then you know, so
Speaker 4: he can get out really quick.
Speaker 3: And when he gets out into the second level, it's
Speaker 3: the same thing where there can be multiple guys around
Speaker 3: him and all of a sudden he does the frogger thing,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, there's nobody in front of him
Speaker 3: now and bye bye. And so that's when he becomes
Speaker 3: the real problem because now he can run as fast
Speaker 3: as the defensive backs. And he also, you know again
Speaker 3: at the size at five eleven two o nine, he
Speaker 3: has decent size and he will run through the arm
Speaker 3: tackles as well. The elusive rating for him was also
Speaker 3: incredible last year, so you have all that different stuff.
Speaker 3: Last year, the elusive ratings is one hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: three point five, speaking of eye popping four point four
Speaker 3: four yards after contact per attempt last year. Both of those,
Speaker 3: by the way, were the tops of my top thirty
Speaker 3: ranked running backs on my board. You're talking about a
Speaker 3: guy that just started playing running back, so I think
Speaker 3: the potential is there even at the elevated age. He
Speaker 3: was in college for six years, so I think some
Speaker 3: people may negate him because of that. But realize that
Speaker 3: what he was doing last year, and when you turn
Speaker 3: on the tape and realize that that that pre team
Speaker 3: was so dead end, what he was doing behind that
Speaker 3: offensive line against the defensive fronts that he was facing,
Speaker 3: you have to realize the context of it makes it
Speaker 3: even more impressive projecting it to that new position. He's
Speaker 3: early on the developmental curve with it. You're only looking
Speaker 3: with running backs with me for their value during their
Speaker 3: rookie contract, because the way that I see it, I
Speaker 3: would never give a running back of second contract anyway.
Speaker 3: I think Tyrone Tracy is going to give you a
Speaker 3: pretty dang good amount of value for the draft lot
Speaker 3: he is going to go in, you know, during those
Speaker 3: first five years of his career. The other thing is
Speaker 3: he is going to be a very good kick returner,
Speaker 3: I believe with those new rules, because of that skill
Speaker 3: set he has of now you see me, now you
Speaker 3: don't that violent cutover and then hit the jet thing.
Speaker 3: So those are and prettyviews him meant the return of
Speaker 3: last year he took one to the house, I think
Speaker 3: he's going to be taking a couple of the house
Speaker 3: in the NFL as well.
Speaker 2: I in my mock, I put him on Washington and
Speaker 2: I would love to see him fit there with Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 2: you know, Austin Eckler.
Speaker 1: How much time does he have left? Who knows?
Speaker 2: But I love Ryan Robinson, but I think Tyrone Tracy
Speaker 2: would fit better in Washington. I know Fitz has a
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Speaker 2: about these top three guys here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Thor basically, just how do you order the big
Speaker 5: three Marvin Harrison, Junior, Molik, Neighbors, Roma Dunza And how
Speaker 5: close together are these guys for you? Are there any
Speaker 5: significant gaps between any of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So look all three of them.
Speaker 3: You like a lot of the receiving class over the
Speaker 3: last decade, All three of those guys, A lot of
Speaker 3: those classes. They would have been wide receiver ones of them.
Speaker 3: Last year at DUNESA could have come out in that
Speaker 3: class and he would have we know that as he
Speaker 3: would have been during that run of the receivers that
Speaker 3: went in the twenties right away. But that was that
Speaker 3: version of Dunes. He got way way he took the
Speaker 3: big time leap this year. He easily he would have
Speaker 3: gotten way up in last year's guys. He would have
Speaker 3: been top ten pick this year. So the receivers this year,
Speaker 3: I got Harrison wide receiver one, number four overall on
Speaker 3: my board. I got Neighbors wide receiver two, number five
Speaker 3: overall on my board, and I have but Dunes say
Speaker 3: wide receiver three at number seven overall on my board,
Speaker 3: and I like the prospects here in the top ten
Speaker 3: twelve fifteen of this draft.
Speaker 4: That is how good those top three guys are.
Speaker 3: The film, the profiles that the analytics on them, like
Speaker 3: anything that you want to look at with those guys
Speaker 3: are all you can compare them against the top receiving
Speaker 3: prospects that have come out. Marvin Harrison, though you have
Speaker 3: to put him in my opinion wide receiver one, even
Speaker 3: though Neighbors is probably maybe more fun to watch, just
Speaker 3: because he's so unique in the way that he plays
Speaker 3: and the movement scales and the way that he can
Speaker 3: sometimes embarrassed defensive backs who just because he can discombobulate
Speaker 3: them and then he could tie them into knots like
Speaker 3: a cartoon that sunds fun. But Harrison with the fully
Speaker 3: fleshed out game in that physical package, which I think
Speaker 3: about as NFL scouts having built in Madden, you know,
Speaker 3: the creative player. And then the kid was tutored by
Speaker 3: one of the tacticians at the position that we have
Speaker 3: ever seen. His father only became a Hall of Famer
Speaker 3: because of the attention to detail, to the finer points,
Speaker 3: and you see that all over Mervin Junior's game. And
Speaker 3: the point I made about Mervin Junior in my write
Speaker 3: up is a lot of times when we see these
Speaker 3: guys with the ridiculous physical dimensions at that position, that
Speaker 3: are so physically gifted, you do not see the refinement
Speaker 3: of those aspects. The technique, the attention to detail, the
Speaker 3: release package is the efficiency of footwork into an out
Speaker 3: of route breaks, the care that they take to put
Speaker 3: doubt into the head of the defensive backs, how quickly
Speaker 3: they decipher the coverage's intentions and then they know what
Speaker 3: to do immediately. That you do with Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: it's just by when he was a kid, Marvin Seedier,
Speaker 3: it was in the NFL and they were going over all.
Speaker 4: This different stuff.
Speaker 3: He got an education that no other receiving prospect you wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Be able to pay for something like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It was like the book of secrets that this kid
Speaker 3: was just given from an early age. It just so
Speaker 3: happened that he got all the physical gifts that his
Speaker 3: father could only dream about, including the long arms and
Speaker 3: the ball scales. Marvin Junior is maniacal about this modified
Speaker 3: drugs machine as well. He doesn't drop balls as well,
Speaker 3: wins at all three levels. You single coverage, he was
Speaker 3: one hundred percentile receiving grade that last season or past
Speaker 3: couple years. I'm sorry, but then double teams as well
Speaker 3: anecdotally destroys them as well. But Matt Harmon, if you
Speaker 3: want to go by the data, reception perception is a
Speaker 3: tremendous sight. Matt does a great job. Matt Harmon said
Speaker 3: that during his time charting the receivers that no receiver
Speaker 3: he had ever charted had been double teamed as much
Speaker 3: by the opposition as Marvin Harrison Junior and Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 3: in addition to that, smashed the success rate record for
Speaker 3: charting against double coverage. So it's just a different sort
Speaker 3: of a thing. That's why you had to put him there.
Speaker 3: But Neighbors is, in his own way, is a different
Speaker 3: sort of a thing with the movement and the different
Speaker 3: and being able to win at the all three levels,
Speaker 3: but also the y that you get from.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speed with everything.
Speaker 3: So electricity with Neighbors, it's all about a like I
Speaker 3: call them the Nikola Tessel of receivers because it's just
Speaker 3: inexhaustible electricity with mister neighbors man, you go ahead.
Speaker 5: It is just an amazing class and we're gonna have
Speaker 5: a couple of pretty good day two guys, Ricky Pearsall
Speaker 5: and Roman Wilson. I know you like both of them
Speaker 5: quick overview of their games.
Speaker 3: Yeah. With with Peersaw, he's a very very good route runner,
Speaker 3: and you saw this going back to Arizona State when
Speaker 3: he was the wide receiver for Jayden Daniels going to
Speaker 3: go in the top three in this one. And then
Speaker 3: everyone transferred out of Arizona State after twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: because there was a scandal with with herm Edwards, and
Speaker 3: Pearsall ended up at Florida where then he immediately became
Speaker 3: the wide receiver one for Anthony Richardson and then subsequently
Speaker 3: Graham Mirth. But the thing that led the foot for
Speaker 3: Pearsaw firstly was the route running. And then Pearsall has
Speaker 3: the most ridiculous set of hands on him that you'll see.
Speaker 2: The unbelievable catches, unbelievable, so many of them, unbelieva.
Speaker 3: Like you know, it goes without saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: like the easy stuff, he doesn't flub that, but the
Speaker 3: highlight reel catch you where and most people that are
Speaker 3: listening as have probably seen him. But if you haven't,
Speaker 3: look up Ricky Pearsow's highlight reel catches and in particular
Speaker 3: the catch against Charlotte, which is outside of the Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson and the Odell Beckham and it might even be
Speaker 3: you could you can put it on there because he
Speaker 3: also got crush on it as well and somehow held
Speaker 3: onto the ball.
Speaker 4: It defied everything that you think you understand about it.
Speaker 1: It's the best I've ever seen. But Piersall is so close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have the hands and crazy crazy hands.
Speaker 3: And then in addition to all that stuff, he went
Speaker 3: to the senior ball. He was great there, proved the
Speaker 3: concept of all that stuff. And then the athletic testing
Speaker 3: at the combine that was the real surprise. How well
Speaker 3: he tested. He jumped out of the building the forty
Speaker 3: was great. Everything like test. What is a ninety nine
Speaker 3: percentile athlete. I don't know what question you could have
Speaker 3: about Ricky Piersall at this time, outside of the viability
Speaker 3: of the accuracy of the quarterbacks he played with the
Speaker 3: last three years. That's that's really about it. Ricky Piersov
Speaker 3: for me, I put him as a late first round pick.
Speaker 3: I expect him in the draft to probably go very
Speaker 3: early on Friday, but I for me a late first
Speaker 3: rounder clause.
Speaker 2: All right, let's fight. Thor, you've got You've got Xavier
Speaker 2: Worthy at seven. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hate that.
Speaker 2: There's so many good wide receivers in this class. But
Speaker 2: you have my boy Ad and I Mitchell at thirteen.
Speaker 2: I see him in a lot of mocks go uh,
Speaker 2: you know, to the Bills a lot late in the
Speaker 2: first or somewhere early in the second.
Speaker 1: Him and Worthy kind of flip.
Speaker 5: I mean, Adam Adam Schefter thinks he's gonna be a
Speaker 5: first rounder. Like he he thinks he's a solid first rounder.
Speaker 2: There's a lot and I know he's he's a tough
Speaker 2: nut to crack here because you know, there is such
Speaker 2: good and there's some bad in there as well. He's
Speaker 2: had some injuries as well. He's a little slight, so
Speaker 2: I understand the negatives. You got him in a third
Speaker 2: round pick, Thor, I mean, come on, baby, Yeah, what
Speaker 2: can I do to get you to raise my guy?
Speaker 1: Ad and I here? Anything?
Speaker 4: Nothing that That's how I see him. You know, my
Speaker 4: draft rankings.
Speaker 3: They're just my opinion I have to do in the
Speaker 3: world now, predictions of where they're going to go in
Speaker 3: the draft. I see him as the inverse of most people,
Speaker 3: and I think that a team would be making a
Speaker 3: mistake of taking him in the first round. It's funny
Speaker 3: the betting market has not reacted as strong to a
Speaker 3: guy that they've dropped a draft slot prop on that
Speaker 3: I can remember. In recent years, they dropped eighty metrol
Speaker 3: at sixteen and a half within forty eight hours it
Speaker 3: had been bet up to twenty seven and a half.
Speaker 3: You do not see movement like that in the market.
Speaker 4: Insane.
Speaker 3: We'll end up seeing if he does go at the
Speaker 3: end of the first round or if he slips into
Speaker 3: the second. Of course he's gonna go higher than I
Speaker 3: have him. I mean, I run four to three in
Speaker 3: an enormous package. If I was a GM, I would
Speaker 3: not take him until the third round, especially in this
Speaker 3: this receiving class. I don't I do not see the
Speaker 3: potential that other people see with him. Like the narrative
Speaker 3: that you hear with with ad It's like they try
Speaker 3: to explain away the lack of production, be inconsistency and
Speaker 3: everything throughout his entire career, right, and and and the
Speaker 3: narrative is all around the physical package. Obviously, he is big.
Speaker 3: He had the nine to nine ras, he has the
Speaker 3: four to three wheels, and then you see the highlight.
Speaker 3: The highlight reel catches well and Bogman, you'll appreciate this.
Speaker 3: As a baseball officionado, what Ady Mitchell is the comp
Speaker 3: for him, it's it's Dave Kingman. It's it's either you
Speaker 3: get a dinger or you get way more often you
Speaker 3: get strikeouts. It's the downfield thing that when he has
Speaker 3: a big game, which last year he had three of them,
Speaker 3: as you know as a Texas and three games where
Speaker 3: we went over one hundred yards. Two of those times
Speaker 3: I believe it was over one forty. In the other
Speaker 3: ones I was at eight or so where it was
Speaker 3: under thirty. It's either you and the games where it
Speaker 3: was over thee hundred, and particularly the two where it
Speaker 3: was over one forty. It's all because it's the downfield
Speaker 3: the big it's because he's getting a couple of dingers
Speaker 3: in a game. He doesn't give you any efficiency whatsoever,
Speaker 3: which is for a couple of different reasons. Number One,
Speaker 3: he is disinterested on route concepts that go the other way.
Speaker 3: You know, that's something that you know, people is a
Speaker 3: popular one that has come up recently. But that's absolutely true.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is he does not change directions
Speaker 3: very well. He also does not seem like a guy
Speaker 3: who has an attention for detail beyond that. But like
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the athletic profile. It is the
Speaker 3: north south thing, you know, in particular, but the loafing thing,
Speaker 3: it doesn't project well as a guy that at the
Speaker 3: next level is going to start doing the attention to
Speaker 3: detail of the route running nuance, it will start to
Speaker 3: give you the efficiency start throwing at the ball that away.
Speaker 3: The other thing is with the deep speed thing, and
Speaker 3: I think this is why you don't get more big
Speaker 3: plays out of Ady Mitchell in more games. You did
Speaker 3: have the four was it three to three or whatever
Speaker 3: at the combine, take a look at the ten yard
Speaker 3: split on that. It's very interesting. His ten yard split
Speaker 3: was the same as receivers that were running in the
Speaker 3: four fives. It's an all time build up speed, dude.
Speaker 3: So when he you know, gets that runway in front
Speaker 3: of him, once he gets going, yes, he's as fast
Speaker 3: as anybody, and you have to respect that because he
Speaker 3: will make the play downfield and that's when get those
Speaker 3: big flashy plays that everybody likes different stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But that's it takes a little bit, right, Like so
Speaker 4: this game, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: The one thing I'll give him, Like he gives you
Speaker 3: a little bit of value just from the fact that
Speaker 3: the defense has to keep the safety high on that side,
Speaker 3: which Bogman, I think you know this too from watching
Speaker 3: Texas that helped out mister Worthy, that helped out at Standars,
Speaker 3: that helped out mister Whittington. I will give him the
Speaker 3: benefit of that, you know, say that there is a
Speaker 3: value to that. I see him as you know, getting
Speaker 3: inverted from other people where they're like, oh he has this,
Speaker 3: uh you know, he could be a superstar wide receiver
Speaker 3: one in the NFL.
Speaker 4: You just off your shoulder some risk. I don't think so.
Speaker 3: For me, he is low ceiling, high floor. He is
Speaker 3: your prototypical pop the top wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 3: Who will it's a road to nowhere thinking that that
Speaker 3: guy will become an NFL superstar wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Is there a spot that he can land that you
Speaker 2: think will maximize his potential?
Speaker 3: Well, like there's a like I just think he's the
Speaker 3: wide receiver two guys, so like anyone that needs the
Speaker 3: downtown fella of the you know, like for instance, the Bills,
Speaker 3: you know it didn't gave Davis left whatever, they're looking
Speaker 3: for receivers if they don't get one early on in
Speaker 3: the I would advocate strongly that the Bills do not
Speaker 3: use a first round pick on Adie Mitchell.
Speaker 4: There's several receivers that I would prefer instead.
Speaker 3: But like if Aidie Mitchell does drop and there are
Speaker 3: more uh personality and he left Georgia and I'm I'm
Speaker 3: not going to get into all that, and Bob McGinn's
Speaker 3: peace had a thing with the Scout saying stuff that, uh,
Speaker 3: there's other stuff. I'm not going to get in all
Speaker 3: that stuff. But if he ends up falling for other
Speaker 3: stuff where it's like deeper whatever, and and some teams
Speaker 3: feel like you get him on a little bit of
Speaker 3: a discomment, maybe the Bills, you know, go a different
Speaker 3: way in the first that could be a team he
Speaker 3: could you know that thing, maybe the Chiefs if he
Speaker 3: falls further on again, for me, I I can't use
Speaker 3: a first round pick on a guy like that, with
Speaker 3: that kind of a profile less than two yards per
Speaker 3: out run. I believe every single college season, Georgia did
Speaker 3: not seem overly upset when Nadie Metro walked out the door.
Speaker 1: Georgie had a bunch of superstars.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna and Marcus Rose to me,
Speaker 3: Jack Saint did, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is Yeah, Lad McConaughey and Brock Bowers. They're not good, right,
Speaker 1: So uh.
Speaker 4: Look, you couldn't use a six to two guy with that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to my Texas guy. Of course here one
Speaker 2: seven year per out run. Maybe he's over rated, But
Speaker 2: I do think that a lot of the stuff is teachable.
Speaker 2: The one thing that I'll give you, it's.
Speaker 3: Change your direction teachable is full effort on every snap teachable.
Speaker 2: Yes, the full effort is the hands light frame is well.
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Speaker 2: get to the next level and you realize you have
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Speaker 2: know wide receiver one here for you thor you're high
Speaker 2: on like get Baker, Malik Washington, you'll low on Walker
Speaker 2: and Corley. And this this question is less about the
Speaker 2: prospects themselves, and it's more about landing spot in the
Speaker 2: NFL draft. How much for fantasy purposes, not for obviously
Speaker 2: you've done your ranking. These are the like you've said before,
Speaker 2: these are the way you see see the guys. This
Speaker 2: is where you would draft them all the way down.
Speaker 2: But when we get to landing spots, when we're looking
Speaker 2: for fantasy how important is it for that? Because this
Speaker 2: is a deep class. You mentioned it before, you know,
Speaker 2: ad Ni Mitchell is thirteen. I know you don't like him,
Speaker 2: but he wouldn't wouldn't have been thirteen last year. It
Speaker 2: would have been like six or something, you know, because
Speaker 2: last year's class is not what this year's class. Sure,
Speaker 2: but but with a class this big, how much is
Speaker 2: landing spot going to affect guys? You know in this
Speaker 2: range in that kind of second third, fourth tier of
Speaker 2: these wide receiver they're still really good, but they're going
Speaker 2: in the fourth, They're going in the fifth because this
Speaker 2: class is deep.
Speaker 3: It's way more important on the other side of it
Speaker 3: than I think people give credit for it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: Bog mean, you'll appreciate this again as a basebook I
Speaker 3: talked to a buddy of mine that did the chipped
Speaker 3: in with the Baseball Perspective top one on one prospects.
Speaker 3: You see at the end of that guy that they
Speaker 3: do years ago about this when we were talking about
Speaker 3: his job against my job, and you know, like it's
Speaker 3: talking about like you know, I was like, man, you
Speaker 3: your job super duper hard, Like I can't imagine, you know,
Speaker 3: like how difficult that is, Like you know, watching kids
Speaker 3: from the Dominican or like high school kids and then
Speaker 3: you know, like lower levels of the miners and then
Speaker 3: having to sort of stack the pority like like with that, yeah,
Speaker 3: like and project them out years and years and years,
Speaker 3: and he goes, bro, your your job's way harder, he goes,
Speaker 3: Baseball is a individual sport, masquerading is a team sport,
Speaker 3: whereas football, you cannot unspool one person from the other
Speaker 3: on all these different play by play basis, And it's
Speaker 3: it's so true. And as far as the landing spots go,
Speaker 3: it's it's all over the place, right, Like you need
Speaker 3: to find a spot where you can even get on
Speaker 3: the field. Then you need to find a coach that
Speaker 3: will use you correctly, that knows your game. In addition
Speaker 3: to that, so you have all that different stuff.
Speaker 2: You know what that the you're drafted by one coach
Speaker 2: and he gets fired in the next year, you have
Speaker 2: a whole other coach who didn't draft you and is
Speaker 2: not beholden to you in your draft capital.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, you know, and uh uh, you know,
Speaker 3: any of these different guys, like your game can play
Speaker 3: up absolutely you find that perfect situation.
Speaker 4: I mean, like Adie Mitchell, right, like we were just
Speaker 4: talking about him.
Speaker 3: Obviously I'm lower on him than most, but like, let's
Speaker 3: say that he goes to let's say the Chiefs, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: now you were in. Adie Mitchell is in the best
Speaker 3: situation he ever could have hoped for. They have the
Speaker 3: the intermediate guys already, and you have one of the
Speaker 3: better downfield passers that we have, or the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 3: with a bazooka armed dude on a team that needs
Speaker 3: to replace their downfield guy, and Adie Mitchell like coming
Speaker 3: out like I see him uh more or better than
Speaker 3: I saw Gabe Davis coming out of of UCF for instance.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And these guys are the same, uh, the the guys
Speaker 3: that you tossed out. They're guys that have strengths and
Speaker 3: weaknesses and depending on you know, the opportunity there for them,
Speaker 3: and then the way that the coaches use them. Like
Speaker 3: Legette is the uh in very interesting dimensions. He's six one,
Speaker 3: two twenty one. He also has the nine to nine ras.
Speaker 3: He's also the north South guy where the thing that
Speaker 3: you're uh, you question, it's the the east west stuff
Speaker 3: and then the entire new nuance of it. But what
Speaker 3: I really like, it's it's that he can take the
Speaker 3: fastball of of the north south and then he he's
Speaker 3: really good at slamming on the breaks and coming back
Speaker 3: uh and slaming on the break gives them enough at
Speaker 3: the route break where because of that, the change of
Speaker 3: directions not incredible with him, but he at least can
Speaker 3: can stop real quick based on how fast he's moving
Speaker 3: at his size is like the one thing he's like
Speaker 3: good at sort of with that, and he's got pretty
Speaker 3: good ball skills as well. If you use that guy correctly.
Speaker 3: If you try to overextend him, that's where you might
Speaker 3: get into issues. But if you use that guy correctly
Speaker 3: as your wide receiver too, you have another guy on
Speaker 3: the other side where the defense has to give their
Speaker 3: coverage resources, and now Xavier Legett can just do the
Speaker 3: stuff that he is good at occasionally go downtown.
Speaker 4: Otherwise he's going to do the comeback thing now now
Speaker 4: he's good.
Speaker 3: Javon Baker, I think, is probably the best example of
Speaker 3: this of needs to find the right situation, both because
Speaker 3: of the game but also because of his disposition. Javon
Speaker 3: Baker ardently believes no BS that he is the best
Speaker 3: wide receiver in this class and he does not understand
Speaker 3: why other people don't see it his way, and he
Speaker 3: plays like that, like the upset Oklahoma this past.
Speaker 4: Year, and.
Speaker 3: Yvon Baker got a lot of bs for he had
Speaker 3: a long touchdown, He blew a kiss at the Oklahoma sideline.
Speaker 4: He got a lot of crap for that. He got
Speaker 4: chewed up by the coaches.
Speaker 3: A lot of people have brought this up, and you know,
Speaker 3: in conjunction with the personal what they don't bring up
Speaker 3: is that was right before halftime responding to it in
Speaker 3: Oklahoma touchdown. It allowed UCF to stay in that game.
Speaker 3: UCF was in it until the very end. They would
Speaker 3: have forced overtime if they had gotten a two point
Speaker 3: conversion at the end, and the reason was because John
Speaker 3: Javon Baker. He was going off in that game. So
Speaker 3: you you saw different stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But he is that.
Speaker 3: Elpha type Stephan Diggs type personality and Stefan digs another.
Speaker 3: He fell down the board, but he found the correct
Speaker 3: situation and it played up right. And then when it's
Speaker 3: playing up no one talks about Stephan Diggs his personality.
Speaker 3: When things aren't going as well, where they all bring
Speaker 3: up his personality, it will be the same thing with
Speaker 3: Javon Baker. If he gets into a bad situation right away,
Speaker 3: that that's where his career doesn't go as well. If
Speaker 3: he gets into the right one, it doesn't matter where
Speaker 3: he gets drafted. It could be it could be the
Speaker 3: same thing him falling down like Stefan Diggs did. But
Speaker 3: if he gets into the right situation, that is where
Speaker 3: he could potentially become not only a guy that contributes
Speaker 3: to an offense, but a guy that could be a
Speaker 3: star at the NFL level. And no one's going to
Speaker 3: talk about his personality at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, Well, I was just gonna say
Speaker 2: it was kind of like, you know, the helmet scouting,
Speaker 2: but Gave Davis he reminds me so much of Gabe Davis,
Speaker 2: but he catches the ball.
Speaker 1: That's the difference, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, Gave Davis can get open, but he only caught
Speaker 2: the ball against my Steelers for those two ninety yard touchdowns, right, Like,
Speaker 2: so it's it's Javon Bakers. Gave Davis that could catch
Speaker 2: probably way better. I'm very simplifying it and doing the
Speaker 2: helmet scout scouting deal, but I definitely see him as
Speaker 2: a fun, big play type of guy, and I kind
Speaker 2: of want to see him in New England just to
Speaker 2: give them some speed. For God's sake. You know they're
Speaker 2: gonna have a new QB too. Just I mean they can't.
Speaker 2: You can't go with Juju and kJ Osborne and uh,
Speaker 2: you know Pop Doug like all the slowest wide receivers
Speaker 2: in the NFL. You got to give that team some speed.
Speaker 2: So I want to see him in many places. But
Speaker 2: I just want to see New England get some speed.
Speaker 2: So sorry, fits he go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, I was just gonna say thor.
Speaker 5: I mean, Bogman just laid out such an interesting Star
Speaker 5: Wars canteena of receivers there with Xavier Legatt, Malik Washington.
Speaker 5: Those guys are like one year wonders h Baker, who
Speaker 5: you just talked about, tes Walker, who's got this this
Speaker 5: dreamy sized speed combo but super raw, Malachi Corley, the
Speaker 5: crazy after the catch guy. I know Bogs has to
Speaker 5: sneak in a tight end question. So I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: limit you to a name here. But if all those
Speaker 5: guys hit like their top one percentile outcomes and they
Speaker 5: all just totally maximize their ability, who has the best
Speaker 5: career of those guys, I love, love this question.
Speaker 4: I'll say Javon Baker.
Speaker 5: Fair the Baker's your man. I had a feeling that
Speaker 5: was gonna be the answer. I totally get it.
Speaker 2: He's a stud. He's going to be so much fun.
Speaker 2: So my last sight end question, we all know Bowers
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. He's you know, I keep seeing these you
Speaker 2: know where he slips to Cincinnati at eighteen. I'm like,
Speaker 2: he is not faring to Cincinnati. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: I think he goes in the top ten, but if not,
Speaker 2: he's definitely going in the top fifteen. I don't think
Speaker 2: he slips past Indianapolis at fifteen. So we all know
Speaker 2: about Brock Bowers. I don't really want to talk about
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers. Let's talk about sanat in all, who you
Speaker 2: have ahead of my guy JT. Sanders And I'm not
Speaker 2: going to fight for my Texas guy here, but I
Speaker 2: do want to know, you know, because tight end is
Speaker 2: such a different position when you're looking at it based
Speaker 2: on you know, an overall prospect, because Tip Briman's not
Speaker 2: going to be a fantasy option. You know, he's a
Speaker 2: blocking tight end, So you know, how would you rank
Speaker 2: some of these tight ends for fantasy. You know, we
Speaker 2: know Bowers is number one, but if it was for
Speaker 2: fantasy purposes only, obviously what we talked about before with
Speaker 2: landing spot is going to make all of the difference here.
Speaker 2: But just in receiving skills and what they can do
Speaker 2: with the ball in their hands, how do you rate
Speaker 2: them just on receiving skills for fantasy purposes coming up?
Speaker 1: Like maybe your top three or four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sleeper for sure for me for fantasy would
Speaker 3: be Eric Gaul because if he is this is another
Speaker 3: you know, I mentioned him with the black box with
Speaker 3: the hell stuff. I just don't I don't care about
Speaker 3: the ACL from last year. That's with the modern technology,
Speaker 3: he's gonna be fine from that. It's the back thing
Speaker 3: from the year before that we don't know about.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Seems like there was some disagreement about whether he should
Speaker 3: even have that and whether he could keep playing that season,
Speaker 3: So that makes me And then he was back immediately
Speaker 3: for the next season at Iowa and played awesome.
Speaker 4: So it's like.
Speaker 3: They don't tell us right, Like I didn't stay at
Speaker 3: a holiday and express last night either, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: Opinions want to be on that. But because of all
Speaker 3: that stuff, you know, anyway, the situational I put him
Speaker 3: tight end three and if I knew that on my board,
Speaker 3: and if I knew that again, like if he didn't
Speaker 3: have if the team's medical personnels were comfortable with the back,
Speaker 3: that he would have been tight end two on my board.
Speaker 3: The receiving utility with him is the thing that carries
Speaker 3: the day, and that's what you've seen with him. It
Speaker 3: was at Michigan that two years before that at tight
Speaker 3: End Factory, and then last year he was replacing. He
Speaker 3: was going into the Sam Laporta role before he ends
Speaker 3: up tearing the ACL and was doing very well at
Speaker 3: that up until that point. So sort of star cross,
Speaker 3: we thought he was going to go back to campus.
Speaker 3: He decided he would enter the draft, which is why
Speaker 3: stock is sort of up in the air and we
Speaker 3: don't know some of that Souff, but he would be
Speaker 3: the sleeper guy for guys to keep track up Sanders
Speaker 3: and Sanders is interesting. Sarkeshian used him so well, and
Speaker 3: the thing with Sanders is not an inline guy. At
Speaker 3: the next level, he's got to be the big slot
Speaker 3: lax play power a little bit smaller I compare him
Speaker 3: to Gerald Everett. The thing that I liked about the
Speaker 3: usage that Sarkishan did with him, it's the thing that
Speaker 3: is good about he tested. Disappointing of course Jatavian, but
Speaker 3: the thing that he tested well with the two things
Speaker 3: it was the speed and this play right. The other
Speaker 3: stuff is what he struggled with. But it wasn't a
Speaker 3: huge surprise when you go back to his film because
Speaker 3: the straight line stuff down the steam and then the
Speaker 3: other thing that Sarkishan did well with using the other
Speaker 3: receivers we were talking about Adi Mitchell, but also worthy
Speaker 3: terrified defenses. You were able to scheme Sanders into situations
Speaker 3: where viewers could hit him on the hands in space
Speaker 3: against ancillary coverage guys. That was the other time where
Speaker 3: Sanders was dangerous because he gets straight up and down
Speaker 3: in the field. He starts gobbling up yack real quick.
Speaker 3: He's not going to break tackles, and certainly he didn't
Speaker 3: at college. You're not going to at the NFL level,
Speaker 3: but boyk start gobbling up the yak real quick when
Speaker 3: he gets north and south. Because the speed thing is
Speaker 3: is the thing with him. You if he has a
Speaker 3: clever offensive play caller in a good sitution, you know.
Speaker 3: Speaking to that with the receiving the fantasy stuff, that's
Speaker 3: where he plays up. Senate's just a good a heck
Speaker 3: of a player all all the way around. I comped
Speaker 3: him to Samuel Porte. You guys know that I loved
Speaker 3: him last process. He is going to be fantasy relevant.
Speaker 3: Those would be the guys that I would toss out
Speaker 3: there at the top.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The other guys for fantasy aren't the best. Like aj Barner.
Speaker 3: I love as a NFL prospect because of the value
Speaker 3: he brings to an NFL offense. I think he's going
Speaker 3: to start for a long time. But he black speed
Speaker 3: he is, you know, so in the receiving game, it's
Speaker 3: just the check down type stuff. So for fantasy guys,
Speaker 3: I would look elsewhere at that Cad Stover is he
Speaker 3: has some is some element of intrigue. There's as far
Speaker 3: as that goes, like that's the foot that he leads with.
Speaker 3: He has very good hands. Kids, Over's got awesome hands
Speaker 3: and he will break some tackles after. I love his
Speaker 3: uh he tries to bring it'd.
Speaker 2: Be the JJ McCarthy of tight ends. Because Ohio State,
Speaker 2: you have so many good whiteouts. You don't need to
Speaker 2: throw the tight end.
Speaker 3: He tries to break people's chittens too, and he like
Speaker 3: sometimes does a berserker thing. But but stover, he's another intro.
Speaker 3: And and then the one other dude that I toss out, uh,
Speaker 3: that intriguing that will be a potential sleeper at the
Speaker 3: next alve is Dalan Holker. People are going to overlook
Speaker 3: him because he's small, he's old, and he's not fast. Uh,
Speaker 3: but like what he is is the the the h
Speaker 3: back dude that will shift around. Do you guys remember
Speaker 3: both Skaife, Well, of course I remember, yeah going back,
Speaker 3: but Chris yeah or Chris Cooley is yeah, I like
Speaker 3: that call out. Dalen Holker has h so he he
Speaker 3: suffers physically from that stuff, being on the smaller side
Speaker 3: and then lacking the speed. He has one genetic quirk
Speaker 3: though that very much helps his game that nobody talks about.
Speaker 3: He has ludicrously long arms. And the reason this is
Speaker 3: so important to his evaluation is he has good hands
Speaker 3: and good ball skills and all he's going to bring
Speaker 3: you is that utility that I mean, that's what he is.
Speaker 3: He ain't gonna block for you, You're not putting him
Speaker 3: in line. So the fact that he has this long
Speaker 3: catch radius and he is the clear guy that goes
Speaker 3: out fully since and attacks the ball, it has this
Speaker 3: effect of making him, you know, along the route when
Speaker 3: he's out in space, bigger than he is, you know
Speaker 3: in terms of that right, Like he's gonna go out
Speaker 3: and get the ball. So it makes him harder for
Speaker 3: the other guy to come around, slap the thing away
Speaker 3: and make a play on it.
Speaker 1: I think Holker motor guy too. Is any Hulker.
Speaker 4: Oh it plays very hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a blue guy, you know type, like you're
Speaker 3: going to shift them around and do different stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And he can occasionally pick a guy off in space.
Speaker 3: Not the best blocker, but this space thing, you know,
Speaker 3: this mart defenders. But for fantasy guys, especially in PPR,
Speaker 3: he's not going to give you the explosive stuff. But
Speaker 3: very much like both Scafe who caught forty forty five
Speaker 3: balls a season for a little bit there. That's what
Speaker 3: I see with Hulker if he finds a nice spot
Speaker 3: the two guys. Lastly that I would shy away from
Speaker 3: from fantasy For people out there that you have been
Speaker 3: told by uh maybe other folks have been very high,
Speaker 3: and you might have heard a lot about them because
Speaker 3: they're test of profiles. I don't like THEO Johnson from
Speaker 3: Penn State, who tested as one of the great testing
Speaker 3: tight ends that we've ever seen six six two fifty
Speaker 3: nine ninety nine percent athlete. I comp him to Albert
Speaker 3: Oh from Zoo who came reminds me so much of
Speaker 3: Albert Oh coming out.
Speaker 2: Another guy we all missed on too. We were excited
Speaker 2: about that profile and he didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: I don't want to do my own horn. I was
Speaker 4: right about Albert Oh, and you were yeah, and Drew
Speaker 4: Locke as well.
Speaker 3: Coming out because I you know, I watched a lot
Speaker 3: of them with Zoo team and Alberto it was all
Speaker 3: the straight line thing. If THEO Johnson ends up being
Speaker 3: a better receiver in the NFL, or let me put
Speaker 3: it this way, the way I would advocate for his
Speaker 3: NFL offensive coordinator, only North South stuff. And at Penn
Speaker 3: State they had the most risk of birth passing offense
Speaker 3: of all time.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 3: Drew Alar appears to be a bust and then they're
Speaker 3: they're trying to use a kickle. They would do all
Speaker 3: these short throws to THEO and he wasn't like he
Speaker 3: caught some of those balls.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just the very short sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: But the weird thing is is for this guy who's
Speaker 3: enormous and has the great profile, I'll give him the
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt of that of like, you know, sure,
Speaker 3: you know seams stretcher potentially at the next level, he
Speaker 3: didn't get to do that because they don't let a
Speaker 3: lot of throw down field er do anything like that.
Speaker 3: So sure, you know theoretically, but it's like, why did
Speaker 3: Johnson never break any tackles in college even though he
Speaker 3: got the opportunity he got all these balls, Like he
Speaker 3: wasn't good after the jest, he didn't break the backles,
Speaker 3: like he didn't do the Sanders thing of like even
Speaker 3: the running after the catch like in space like there
Speaker 3: really isn't And he's a horrific blocker as well. He
Speaker 3: was a late bloomer guy because he THEO. Johnson is
Speaker 3: from Canada and he was like a zero. He like
Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna go to college till before his senior
Speaker 3: year blows up at a camp, you know, because the
Speaker 3: very much like his process this year, the athletic testing
Speaker 3: that's when he got onto the recruiting deal and then
Speaker 3: you know, people started offering him whatever. I'm concerned about
Speaker 3: the profile because of all these different things needs to
Speaker 3: be used differently, for sure, but I would shy away
Speaker 3: from him. The other dude that I would definitely shy
Speaker 3: away from is Jared Wiley, that some people put very high.
Speaker 3: Was a fifth year guy, did absolutely nothing his first
Speaker 3: four years at TCU on teams that were way better.
Speaker 4: This past year on a dumpster fire.
Speaker 3: TCU team, he caught some balls, and some people are
Speaker 3: excited about that based on that and the fact that
Speaker 3: he is six six two forty nine with a ninety
Speaker 3: third percentile athletic score, so some people will now put
Speaker 3: him as a top five tight end in the rankings,
Speaker 3: and then fantasy players get excited about that. You see
Speaker 3: the catches, you see that that sort of stuff. There's
Speaker 3: a couple issues with him. He's an even worse blocker
Speaker 3: than THEO Johnson is. I don't know if I've seen
Speaker 3: a worse block like a more disinterested one just doesn't
Speaker 3: absolutely care about it. And then take a look at
Speaker 3: the profile of those catches that he had last year
Speaker 3: and that dumpster fire TCU team. They were all very
Speaker 3: short dump off stuff. They never sent him downfield whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Even THEO Johnson got sent down field a little bit
Speaker 3: more than Wiley, and THEO Johnson had multiple years of it.
Speaker 4: Wiley it was just the one year.
Speaker 3: All these stuff within five yards or a chunk of
Speaker 3: it was even behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4: It was manufactured touch stuff.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Wiley broke like no tackles what like,
Speaker 3: even less than THEO Johnson deck. So it's like a
Speaker 3: station to station manufactured touch tight end. You can't do
Speaker 3: stuff with them downfield. Categorically cannot block the thing with
Speaker 3: him of the athletic profile and the catches, it's irrelevant.
Speaker 3: They're not going to lead to yards at the next level.
Speaker 3: There is no proof of concept that he can run routes.
Speaker 3: And I'll just tell you right now, he ain't blocking
Speaker 3: even a Twitter troll going forward.
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